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| 00:26.15 | trepan | ~Tupone++ |
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| 00:30.37 | wegstar | ? |
| 00:33.16 | JeffM2501 | ? |
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| 00:34.53 | SportyGal | http://stats.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=3269&sid=7db8833db67dad84a08f721c4c794db9 |
| 00:35.05 | SportyGal | (jeffm that was for you) |
| 00:40.48 | cosmos | http://www.swornenemy.org/index.php/new/2005/03/19/jihad_express#comments |
| 00:49.07 | cosmos | note to self: make sure your registered group has SPAWN perms before turning it off on the non registered group |
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| 01:32.22 | JeffM2501 | if it has problems restarting then it would be local to your system |
| 01:39.03 | menotume | SportChick: linux? crashed whiule playing BZ ? |
| 01:39.40 | menotume | was 'trouble restarting' due to fsck ? |
| 01:40.10 | Aribeth_away | SportChick has Win XP pro |
| 01:40.18 | menotume | oh, nvm :P |
| 01:40.22 | menotume | thx Aribeth_away |
| 01:40.57 | JeffM2501 | XP "should" not crash in an app ether |
| 01:41.29 | Aribeth | no it souldn't |
| 01:41.48 | Aribeth | the laptop may need a full reload of the OS |
| 01:41.49 | JeffM2501 | I'm becoming supicious of what else could be on her system |
| 01:42.20 | Aribeth | maybe spyware |
| 01:43.02 | JeffM2501 | she's done scans |
| 01:43.13 | JeffM2501 | dono what she's doing for virus tho |
| 01:43.25 | Aribeth | can still have spyware even with scans |
| 01:43.26 | menotume | JeffM2501 Linux _shouldn't_ either - but it has a couple of times here while playing bz |
| 01:43.31 | JeffM2501 | when she travels don't know if she's on raw net or not |
| 01:43.45 | JeffM2501 | menotume, yeah, no OS is pefect |
| 01:43.49 | menotume | :) |
| 01:44.21 | menotume | it's the '2,0 jitter' virus - scan for that ! |
| 01:44.48 | *** kick/#bzflag [menotume!~JeffM@Patlabor221.active.supporter.pdpc] by JeffM2501 (JeffM2501) |
| 01:44.58 | JeffM2501 | its' in the topic :) |
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| 01:45.23 | orchid | that meno is getting unruly |
| 01:45.23 | JeffM2501 | its' in the topic :) |
| 01:45.27 | menotume | hehe |
| 01:45.48 | JeffM2501 | at least he's not saying its cus she's a girl |
| 01:45.57 | menotume | no ... never |
| 01:46.06 | menotume | wouldn't even think that |
| 01:46.18 | JeffM2501 | I know |
| 01:47.06 | menotume | maybe a non-virus process |
| 01:47.38 | menotume | do you have a lot of 'stuff' running - like a lot of items in the taskbar |
| 01:47.39 | JeffM2501 | how up to date are the defs? |
| 01:47.51 | SportChick | JeffM2501: totally current - updates daily |
| 01:47.57 | JeffM2501 | hmm |
| 01:48.18 | Aribeth | still might be spyware |
| 01:48.51 | SportChick | Aribeth: /me now scans for spyware daily too |
| 01:50.49 | menotume | how about something that isn't officially spyware/virus - like all the junk you can get with apps - like weatherbug, etc. |
| 01:51.12 | creeperz | SportChick: you have an alienware? |
| 01:51.19 | SportChick | creeperz: yes |
| 01:51.24 | creeperz | ... |
| 01:51.36 | creeperz | my friend rory has an alienware |
| 01:51.46 | creeperz | he has so many troubles with that thing, its not even funny |
| 01:52.06 | creeperz | spent 3 grand on plastic :-/ |
| 01:52.12 | SportChick | creeperz: laptop or desktop? |
| 01:52.16 | creeperz | desktop |
| 01:52.18 | JeffM2501 | they are not bad systems |
| 01:52.20 | Aribeth | SportChick |
| 01:52.23 | creeperz | oh |
| 01:52.24 | Aribeth | ahh |
| 01:52.27 | SportChick | Aribeth: ? |
| 01:52.28 | Aribeth | :P |
| 01:52.28 | JeffM2501 | for a desktop it's a bit much |
| 01:52.29 | creeperz | id take an alienware laptop |
| 01:52.36 | JeffM2501 | for a lapy noone else makes similar ones |
| 01:52.40 | creeperz | yeah |
| 01:52.46 | JeffM2501 | he get a P4? |
| 01:52.55 | creeperz | alienware laptops are the way to go for mobile gaming and such |
| 01:53.01 | creeperz | SportChick: pretty color |
| 01:53.19 | SportChick | creeperz: yep and a matching mouse! :) |
| 01:53.25 | creeperz | haha |
| 01:53.30 | creeperz | cool |
| 01:55.12 | SportChick | JeffM2501: next time menotume picks on my jitter, maybe he should get a tempa-ban...he's already been kicked once today for it before you did |
| 01:55.58 | menotume | well now, you know I wasn't serious |
| 01:56.33 | orchid | global ban! |
| 01:57.26 | menotume | SportChick: just trying to bring up the topic to help |
| 01:57.32 | menotume | won't do it again |
| 01:57.34 | JeffM2501 | well I do have commit access to masterban |
| 01:58.14 | SportChick | menotume: picking on my jitter doesn't help anything except to put me in a bad mood |
| 01:58.21 | SportChick | orchid: hehe |
| 01:58.27 | menotume | it was a JOKE |
| 01:58.34 | SportChick | menotume: it wasn't funny! |
| 01:58.39 | SportChick | :p |
| 01:59.24 | SportChick | menotume: you have to understand. It might have been funny throughout january...maybe even a little into february. but with no progress to a solution and mid-march, /me is out of humor |
| 01:59.52 | menotume | i won' |
| 02:00.00 | menotume | t bring it up again |
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| 02:00.14 | SportChick | ~menotume++ |
| 02:06.29 | SportChick | Aribeth: how did today go? |
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| 02:12.06 | spldart | whew |
| 02:13.22 | spldart | I thought I was in trouble :( |
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| 02:41.37 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03sgk284 * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/commands.cxx: little fix |
| 03:00.35 | sgk284 | i'm assuming that kick, ban, etc... dont support ip numbers anymore on purpose, correct? |
| 03:18.29 | brlcad | kick never did |
| 03:18.34 | brlcad | ban should still |
| 03:21.46 | sgk284 | oops yea, ban still does |
| 03:21.53 | sgk284 | ~fishslap sgk284 |
| 03:21.57 | ibot | ACTION slaps sgk284 up side the head with a wet fish. |
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| 03:24.46 | spldart | I need to wet fish slap teh wifey :( |
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| 03:36.18 | TOKIMI | i just had some one continually get kick off hepcat overlord with a server message saying that they were using some hacked client..... is there any know issues with 2.0.0 and hepcat overlords cheat finder? |
| 03:36.46 | orange | who was the player? |
| 03:37.14 | TOKIMI | -joshua- |
| 03:37.56 | TOKIMI | what do the logs say? |
| 03:39.16 | orange | I don't have the logs, but I bet it's the endshot limit |
| 03:39.36 | TOKIMI | it was |
| 03:40.04 | orange | had another player today that got kicked for it who was very unlikely to be using a hacked client |
| 03:40.18 | orange | don't know joshua, though the name is vaguely familiar |
| 03:40.23 | TOKIMI | iv seen him around |
| 03:40.32 | TOKIMI | not much.. but i dont think hes cheating |
| 03:40.43 | TOKIMI | i sent him to the cvs, maybe there is a fix for that there |
| 03:42.14 | orange | I think it's just aggressive checking... it may be that we don't know all the reasons that particular behavior might show up |
| 03:42.18 | orange | or so it seems |
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| 03:50.00 | bryjen | i think manu recently increased the count of suspicious shot ends allowed before the kick |
| 03:50.31 | bryjen | since there've been a few reports of false-positives |
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| 04:37.16 | spldart | Good night all felllow bzflag'ers ;) |
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| 04:39.19 | jpa_ | motmnuun |
| 04:39.33 | jpa_ | ~weather eftu |
| 04:40.37 | jpa_ | yeah!! |
| 04:40.41 | jpa_ | no windchill :))) |
| 04:46.56 | Pimpinella | hmmmmmmmmmm, just got am interesting report... |
| 04:47.05 | Pimpinella | Reported by (Un)Guided Missile: if you kill a teammate with /kill, you die yourself |
| 04:47.19 | jpa_ | lol :D |
| 04:47.33 | Pimpinella | i don't think it was meant to be this way... |
| 04:47.59 | MeBigFatGuy | cool |
| 04:48.00 | jpa_ | me neither.. |
| 04:48.08 | jpa_ | do you get points for /kill, too? :) |
| 04:57.30 | wegstar | ~weather KSFO |
| 04:58.53 | Aribeth | !weather 94087 |
| 04:58.56 | guu | Aribeth: The current temperature in Sunnyvale, California is 55°F (7:56 PM PST on March 21, 2005). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 52°F. Pressure: 29.94 in (1014 hPa). Visibility: 10.0 miles (16.1 kilometers). UV: 0 out of 16 |
| 04:59.26 | MeBigFatGuy | hmm probably need a new player-killed 'reason' to keep from killing yourself |
| 04:59.30 | MeBigFatGuy | which would break protocol |
| 04:59.40 | MeBigFatGuy | so, till then, you die if you /kill a teammate |
| 04:59.53 | orange | join as observer if you want to use /kill :-) |
| 05:08.07 | Pimpinella | no, i don't think so |
| 05:09.35 | Pimpinella | handleKillCmd produces it's own notification, but uses the /killer's playerIndex to call playerKilled |
| 05:10.12 | Pimpinella | still reading, but i think it'd be enough to let it just be a server kill |
| 05:10.39 | MeBigFatGuy | yes, but then the player doesn't know who killed him |
| 05:10.51 | MeBigFatGuy | altho i suppose it won't register that it was an admin kill |
| 05:11.09 | MeBigFatGuy | probably a valid solutino |
| 05:12.42 | Pimpinella | the player knows, because handleKillCmd sends it's own notification to the player |
| 05:12.48 | blast007 | could have the server be the killer, and msg them with who called the /kill command |
| 05:12.53 | Pimpinella | others won't know |
| 05:13.09 | MeBigFatGuy | ok, good enough |
| 05:13.41 | Pimpinella | blast007: just working on first, latter is already done |
| 05:13.50 | blast007 | k |
| 05:23.34 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03dbrosius * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/commands.cxx: don't kill the admin when the admin /kills a teammate. fix due to pimpinella |
| 05:26.53 | Pimpinella | ;) |
| 05:26.56 | Pimpinella | faster? |
| 05:29.24 | MeBigFatGuy | apparently he lurks here |
| 05:35.17 | MeBigFatGuy | and, btw, you don't get the points |
| 05:35.19 | MeBigFatGuy | :) |
| 05:35.49 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03pimpinella * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/Permissions.cxx: /mute /unmute use players personal permissions now |
| 05:41.27 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03pimpinella * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/Permissions.cxx: typo |
| 05:46.50 | MeBigFatGuy | ok, i'm missing the google reference |
| 05:47.18 | Pimpinella | hm? |
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| 05:50.36 | MeBigFatGuy | what's the pic supposed to represent? |
| 05:51.42 | Pimpinella | MeBigFatGuy: wrong channel tab? ;) |
| 05:51.50 | MeBigFatGuy | no:) |
| 05:51.54 | blast007 | World Water Day |
| 05:52.01 | MeBigFatGuy | world water day? |
| 05:52.13 | blast007 | according to the alt text ;) |
| 05:52.23 | MeBigFatGuy | ah good thunkin |
| 05:52.55 | blast007 | also, if you click it, it does a search for "World Water Day 2005" |
| 05:59.53 | MeBigFatGuy | so it does |
| 06:07.15 | Pimpinella | whats the tag for the 2.0.2 release? |
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| 06:12.07 | Pimpinella | already found it |
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| 06:51.19 | menotume | any dev/maintaners here? I'd like to commit a bzfs change |
| 07:00.55 | menotume | awww :( |
| 07:01.51 | wegstar | :P |
| 07:07.13 | menotume | maybe I'll just do it, and let poor ole dbrosius clean it up :P |
| 07:07.17 | menotume | not |
| 07:08.55 | wegstar | :) |
| 07:20.15 | Pimpinella | menotume: ping |
| 07:20.22 | menotume | hellos :) |
| 07:20.47 | Pimpinella | ehats your change? |
| 07:20.52 | Pimpinella | whats |
| 07:21.01 | menotume | do you know the procedure for CHangelog and such |
| 07:21.03 | menotume | ahhh .. |
| 07:21.12 | menotume | I aded timestamp to DEBUG output |
| 07:21.23 | menotume | and a command-lne option to enable it |
| 07:21.34 | Pimpinella | just add a line on top of the chnges |
| 07:21.54 | menotume | and, how does it get into the man page ? |
| 07:22.18 | Pimpinella | hm, you should talk to learner about that |
| 07:22.23 | menotume | okies |
| 07:22.28 | menotume | cause I don't know how |
| 07:22.41 | menotume | thx, I'll commit |
| 07:22.57 | Pimpinella | might conflict with his new *long expected* logging features |
| 07:23.29 | Pimpinella | learner: severely missed loggin features |
| 07:23.33 | Pimpinella | ;) |
| 07:23.42 | menotume | heh |
| 07:24.11 | Pimpinella | menotume: edit manually or use a manpage editor like manedit |
| 07:24.39 | menotume | okies, i'll commit the code changes - then look into that |
| 07:24.54 | Pimpinella | :) |
| 07:25.19 | Pimpinella | timestamp is nice |
| 07:26.34 | menotume | yes, i'm tired of hacking each version to have it :) |
| 07:30.15 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03menotume * 10bzflag/ (6 files in 4 dirs): Added timestamp to DEBUG output, new command-line option (-ts) to enable it. |
| 07:30.21 | menotume | YAY - my first ! |
| 07:30.59 | menotume | Pimpinella: -ts micros is you want microseconds too :) |
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| 07:38.33 | menotume | hmmm, what's the difference between bzfs.6 and bzfs.6s ? |
| 07:39.28 | menotume | nvm - i think I see |
| 07:56.51 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03menotume * 10bzflag/man/bzfs.6s: added timestamp option info to bzfs manpage |
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| 08:18.10 | menotume | good morning scanline, thanks again ! |
| 08:18.17 | scanlime | np |
| 08:18.39 | menotume | ohh, scanlime, sry :) |
| 08:19.55 | scanlime | hmm |
| 08:39.18 | menotume | scanline: perhaps purple made you green ? |
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| 08:46.16 | scanline | heh |
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| 11:23.37 | ruskie | hmm seems I got lost in some split once... |
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| 12:09.20 | Javi | hi all |
| 12:09.51 | Javi | need some help. Bz keeps not working, now for two months :-( |
| 12:11.00 | _Manu_ | problems? |
| 12:11.09 | Javi | Manu, soy GoRBaG |
| 12:11.48 | Javi | yes. All started when I installed 2.0 |
| 12:13.12 | Javi | it hangs when I right clik to start playing |
| 12:49.10 | orchid | Javi: every server does this? |
| 12:49.47 | ruskie | Javi, try buildint --with-x and disable sdl for it... that's what solved my problem... |
| 12:50.05 | ruskie | with sdl it was so crashy like hell |
| 12:50.07 | _Manu_ | he is doing it.. |
| 12:50.18 | ruskie | ahh |
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| 14:24.02 | SportChick | gmorning all |
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| 14:31.47 | SportChick | DTRemenak: ping |
| 14:31.50 | SportChick | bryjen: ping |
| 14:31.53 | SportChick | TimRiker: ping |
| 14:31.57 | _Manu_ | ping :) |
| 14:32.02 | _Manu_ | pong :) |
| 14:32.04 | SportChick | hi manu |
| 14:32.07 | ruskie | dong |
| 14:32.08 | _Manu_ | hi! |
| 14:32.13 | SportChick | I'm trying to figure out why this is happening: |
| 14:32.16 | SportChick | <05/03/22|07:20:33> Player [3] accept() from 204.180.33.2:1966 on 9 |
| 14:32.16 | SportChick | <05/03/22|07:20:33> Player [3] got bad status from resolver: Inconsistent resource records in DNS |
| 14:32.17 | SportChick | <05/03/22|07:20:33> Player Seraphim [3] has joined from 204.180.33.2 at 2005-03-22 014:20:33 with token "1442226618" |
| 14:32.17 | SportChick | <05/03/22|07:20:33> Player Seraphim [3] removed at 2005-03-22 14:20:33: left |
| 14:32.37 | _Manu_ | simply he left.. |
| 14:32.49 | _Manu_ | dunno if because banned.. or he left |
| 14:33.49 | _Manu_ | what do you think is wrong? |
| 14:33.50 | SportChick | he says he can't join |
| 14:33.55 | SportChick | he's getting an error |
| 14:34.00 | _Manu_ | what error? |
| 14:34.05 | SportChick | "inconsistent resource records in DNS" |
| 14:34.35 | _Manu_ | no.. |
| 14:34.42 | SportChick | I thought a bad pass simply meant you weren't globally registered |
| 14:34.48 | _Manu_ | but what reports him the client? |
| 14:34.56 | SportChick | or is he trying to join with wrong version? |
| 14:35.01 | SportChick | manu: what do you mean? |
| 14:35.23 | _Manu_ | the server says.. he left.. but this also can happens when he is rejected |
| 14:35.32 | _Manu_ | he must get a message in his client.. |
| 14:35.41 | SportChick | yeah, I don't know what message he gets though |
| 14:35.51 | _Manu_ | that's the most important.. |
| 14:36.23 | _Manu_ | do you know if his ip is banned? |
| 14:36.52 | SportChick | if it were, it would show in the logs that he was being rejected because of a ban |
| 14:37.38 | _Manu_ | mmm.. let me see.. |
| 14:39.27 | _Manu_ | don't think so.. |
| 14:39.53 | _Manu_ | rejectPlayer.. send the message to the client.. and then he happily left |
| 14:40.11 | _Manu_ | he receive the ban message.. well. the banner and reason.. |
| 14:40.16 | _Manu_ | but no logs |
| 14:40.47 | _Manu_ | that's what i changed for rejoiners.. now simply the server closed the client |
| 14:46.10 | SportChick | our server shows bans in logs, I'm 99% sure |
| 14:46.51 | _Manu_ | 99% sure? :) |
| 14:48.39 | SportChick | <05/03/22|06:12:18> Player [9] resolved to hostname: p54B2FBD8.dip.t-dialin.net |
| 14:48.39 | SportChick | <05/03/22|06:12:19> Player taum [9] has joined from 84.178.251.216 at 2005-03-22 13:12:19 with token "" |
| 14:48.39 | SportChick | <05/03/22|06:12:19> Player taum [9] removed at 2005-03-22 13:12:19: bannedhost for: Terminator: language, harrassment, spam by SportChick |
| 14:48.56 | SportChick | it certainly shows hostban, not sure if shows removal on ban anymore (it used to) |
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| 14:49.50 | _Manu_ | yes.. that's the host |
| 14:50.52 | _Manu_ | you simply ask the player what message he got.. |
| 14:51.35 | SportChick | does whitelisting only work with hostbans? |
| 14:52.44 | _Manu_ | dunno.. but may be |
| 14:53.22 | _Manu_ | it's the logical :) |
| 14:56.08 | SportChick | I found the problem |
| 14:57.07 | SportChick | someone was connecting from a school and got banned. Now that school's ip is banned. However, some other players who are not troublemakers connect from there. Unfortunately, the whitelisting only seems to work with hostbanning, and the error we saw in his record was the inability to look up the host |
| 14:57.13 | _Manu_ | and yes.. hostban log messages |
| 14:58.23 | _Manu_ | hostban execute removePlayer.. and this log a message in the server |
| 14:58.24 | jpa_ | morning |
| 14:58.46 | SportChick | morning: jpa |
| 14:58.51 | SportChick | stev: ping |
| 14:58.56 | jpa_ | no no no |
| 14:58.59 | SportChick | sgk284: ping |
| 14:59.07 | jpa_ | you are supposed to say jpa: morning |
| 14:59.11 | jpa_ | not vice versa |
| 14:59.14 | _Manu_ | *: ping.. heh |
| 15:00.54 | SportChick | jpa_: yep |
| 15:00.59 | SportChick | can you tell I'm distracted |
| 15:01.12 | jpa_ | SportChick: you are distracted |
| 15:02.26 | orchid | jpa_: did you make that river map? |
| 15:02.32 | _Manu_ | SportChick, then he is really banned as i told you.. and he must get one message.. |
| 15:02.56 | jpa_ | orchid: i did |
| 15:03.34 | _Manu_ | SportChick, and only players **removed by the server logs messages.. not the rejecteds ones |
| 15:03.42 | orchid | its a good map, have you tried a larger version? |
| 15:03.49 | SportChick | manu: ok |
| 15:03.51 | SportChick | thanks for that |
| 15:03.54 | jpa_ | nope |
| 15:04.03 | jpa_ | i didn't know bzflag units when i did it |
| 15:04.15 | jpa_ | so i just made the world smaller to fit my map :) |
| 15:04.32 | orchid | jpa_: it just feels claustrophobic after some time |
| 15:04.44 | orchid | not overly, but a little bit |
| 15:04.52 | _Manu_ | SportChick, really this problem is only for needed for hosts.. |
| 15:05.08 | jpa_ | i could always put everything inside a group and rescale it |
| 15:05.20 | jpa_ | but that would make some regulars unhappy :) |
| 15:05.41 | orchid | ahh ok, we wouldnt want that |
| 15:06.14 | bryjen | whitelisting would be useful for ranges of IP addresses, subnets |
| 15:06.27 | _Manu_ | yes.. is as it is now |
| 15:06.39 | jpa_ | orchid: don't say 'we'.. you are the one who should be worried :P |
| 15:07.30 | jpa_ | when i changed _shotsKeepVerticalVelocity 1, after couple of days they were about to kill me :) |
| 15:08.21 | TheRedBaron | and they didn't? thats a bummer... |
| 15:08.29 | SportChick | manu: I disagree |
| 15:08.29 | TheRedBaron | :)) |
| 15:08.47 | jpa_ | TheRedBaron: nope, they would have but i seem to live far enough :) |
| 15:09.02 | bryjen | SportChick: when you say "whitelist" you mean the AntiBan permission? |
| 15:09.08 | SportChick | this example (which is not unique) is a perfect one. A ton of kids play at a school. One is a troublemaker. The others aren't. School uses 1 ip |
| 15:09.12 | SportChick | bryjen, yes. |
| 15:09.28 | SportChick | we have a group we call "whitelist" to which we have given antiban perm |
| 15:09.29 | bryjen | from the code, it looks like that should work against IP address based bans |
| 15:09.42 | SportChick | bryjen: I tested it this morning and it didn't |
| 15:10.14 | TheRedBaron | jpa_, good thing i guess. I don't like the _shotskeepvertical velocity |
| 15:10.33 | TheRedBaron | though its pretty cool with laser :)) |
| 15:10.38 | bryjen | hrm |
| 15:11.11 | TheRedBaron | Orchid: howdy! |
| 15:11.44 | orchid | hello baron1 |
| 15:12.14 | TheRedBaron | recovering from st patty hangover? |
| 15:13.04 | TheRedBaron | ~orchid++ |
| 15:14.34 | TheRedBaron | jpa_, niether have I. |
| 15:15.00 | jpa_ | TheRedBaron: yea, but no-one cares about you |
| 15:15.09 | bryjen | bleh. after all the round-and-round getting whitelist to work, somebody's b0rken it again |
| 15:15.13 | TheRedBaron | jpa_ and your any differen't? :)) |
| 15:15.55 | jpa_ | yes, i'm the no-one who cares about everybody else |
| 15:16.31 | TheRedBaron | jpa_, you have circular reasoning... |
| 15:16.41 | RedBaron2 | i care about trb :p (DUH!!) |
| 15:17.01 | orchid | hi rb2 |
| 15:18.11 | RedBaron2 | hi orchid |
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| 15:24.07 | bryjen | i'm guessing that even thought the banned-by-IP code checks for AntiBan permission, the permissions haven't been validated or assigned at that point, so it is never there |
| 15:50.30 | brlcad | bicycle |
| 15:50.40 | brlcad | healthier in many ways |
| 15:51.21 | purple_cow | hmm |
| 15:52.24 | TheRedBaron | brlcad: i'd do that, but i have to take the interstate into work... |
| 15:52.34 | orange | brlcad: does that work up your way? I can't think of any direction I'd be willing to leave my neighborhood on a bicycle, nor any way I'd want to enter my office area via bicycle. I guess you have to make more informed choices about living and working areas too. |
| 15:53.07 | orange | but, having said that, I can't think of many areas in metro Atlanta where I'd want to bicycle to work |
| 15:53.34 | orange | of course, that's partly why I'm moving to the Athens area |
| 15:54.13 | brlcad | orange: yep, it works -- have to plan a route to avoid the traffic, though |
| 15:54.44 | brlcad | TheRedBaron: there's always a non-interstate route, perhaps just longer |
| 15:55.01 | brlcad | orange: I used to bike in metro atlanta |
| 15:55.07 | brlcad | worked out greak |
| 15:55.14 | brlcad | er, great too |
| 15:55.19 | orange | well, I street skate in downtown atlanta, but I do it at night, when the traffic is gone |
| 15:55.29 | orange | during rush hour, ugh |
| 15:55.45 | brlcad | there's quite a few that do, you've probably seen them :) |
| 15:55.53 | brlcad | you get tuned to the traffic and road details :) |
| 15:56.15 | brlcad | probably getting annoyed as they whip by ;) |
| 15:56.18 | TheRedBaron | brlcad: true. If i knew which route that was. |
| 15:56.40 | purple_cow | and eventually you get pretty good at riding crazily enough that drivers fear you |
| 15:56.42 | orange | the sad truth is the roads around here aren't designed to handle anything but cars, and even that they do poorly |
| 15:58.23 | TheRedBaron | or the other solution is to fix the VW so i can get 25-30mpg instead of my current 12mpg |
| 15:58.27 | brlcad | nor here really .. though I admit it's not as congested as where I used to live (and biked from) |
| 15:58.58 | brlcad | but so long as you stick to roads that are < 40 mph, it's usually manageable (and completely legal) for you to ride around like a car |
| 15:59.13 | brlcad | with a bit of common sense, of course |
| 16:00.42 | TheRedBaron | if work was 5miles away. i'd bike... but unfortunately its more like 20. |
| 16:01.40 | Aribeth | work is 3 miles away for me, but the traffic is horable |
| 16:01.42 | orange | 20 is not unreasonable |
| 16:01.53 | orange | if you have a good bike |
| 16:02.19 | orange | but the commute would be an important part of your life |
| 16:03.53 | TheRedBaron | orange, exactly |
| 16:04.06 | TheRedBaron | I would have to get up at 5:00am! |
| 16:04.21 | TheRedBaron | *no |
| 16:04.48 | TheRedBaron | 10 isn't that unreasonable either. |
| 16:05.07 | purple_cow | 10 is about as much as i'm willing to do without a shower when i arrive |
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| 16:06.28 | TheRedBaron | come summertime here in FL, you won't be able to step outside with out breaking into a sweat |
| 16:08.02 | TheRedBaron | my neighbor lives about 3-5 miles from work, and he bikes in... done so for as long as I can remember. |
| 16:10.39 | brlcad | there's a guy here at work that's in his 50's that bikes 30 miles to and from _every_ day rain or shine |
| 16:10.52 | brlcad | I used to do 16 miles, that was easily doable too |
| 16:11.18 | TheRedBaron | now that is dedication... |
| 16:15.20 | menotume | yay for old men ! |
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| 16:30.34 | JBdiGriz | as we celebrate some more birthdays of the old men around here.... |
| 16:30.51 | menotume | don't remind me - mine's coming too soon |
| 16:31.07 | JBdiGriz | There is one today |
| 16:31.11 | menotume | ahhh |
| 16:31.24 | ruskie | :) |
| 16:34.22 | Aribeth | and dont forget old weomen |
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| 16:45.09 | jpa_ | hi sporty |
| 16:45.39 | SportyGal | hi jpa |
| 16:45.40 | Aribeth | hi SportyGal |
| 16:45.47 | SportyGal | hi ari |
| 16:46.30 | brlcad | JBdiGriz: big old men? |
| 16:47.18 | jpa_ | brlcad: he didn't mean you :) |
| 16:47.38 | brlcad | I only fit one of those three :) |
| 16:47.55 | jpa_ | yup.. you should go on a diet |
| 16:48.07 | brlcad | though my sore joints make me feel older than I am sometimes |
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| 17:22.19 | SportyGal | brlcad: is there any reason that you know of that we can't/shouldn't make antiban work with an ip rather than only with hostban? |
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| 17:44.26 | menotume | brlcad: I added timestamping to DEBUG() in bzfs - I hope I don't step on your logging toes |
| 17:54.02 | Pimpinella | i hate changing header files, half the project has to be rebuilt |
| 17:55.02 | jpa_ | so do not :P |
| 17:56.09 | Pimpinella | need to :( |
| 17:56.26 | jpa_ | :( |
| 17:56.39 | jpa_ | i can live happily without modifying any headers |
| 17:56.44 | jpa_ | why do you need to? |
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| 17:57.01 | Pimpinella | new operators for TimeKeeper which is used almost anywhere in bzfs |
| 17:57.12 | Pimpinella | everywhere |
| 17:57.23 | jpa_ | nah, do not code bzflag :) |
| 17:57.27 | jpa_ | it is fine already |
| 17:57.55 | jpa_ | i would have said so before 2.0 but... |
| 17:58.42 | Pimpinella | and finally it doesn't work as it should, arghhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!! |
| 17:59.02 | Pimpinella | anybody ever overloaded operator&& |
| 17:59.04 | Pimpinella | ? |
| 17:59.05 | menotume | Pimpinella: go ahread and change the headers, but don't update the timestamp on the .h file |
| 17:59.21 | jpa_ | hi menotume :) |
| 17:59.33 | menotume | hi jpa_ |
| 18:00.25 | Pimpinella | hm, probably just forgot to safe before build |
| 18:01.01 | Pimpinella | so once more |
| 18:01.31 | Pimpinella | menotume: i added inline functions, i think i need to rebuild, no? |
| 18:01.41 | menotume | yes - i was just kidding :) |
| 18:01.58 | Pimpinella | already wondering ;) |
| 18:01.59 | menotume | safer to make all - who knows what is using it |
| 18:03.20 | menotume | sry, i forgot the ;) at the end |
| 18:03.44 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03menotume * 10bzflag/src/common/bzfio.cxx: Make timestamping work with Windows/MSC also. |
| 18:08.12 | menotume | oh man, i got to fix that. 4 commits for a silly timestamp - sry all |
| 18:09.24 | menotume | go for it :)( |
| 18:09.33 | jpa_ | nope |
| 18:09.37 | jpa_ | it would be mean |
| 18:11.11 | menotume | I can't build on windows - s I didn't cath it |
| 18:11.18 | menotume | so i didn't catch it |
| 18:12.12 | menotume | do we have compile farm setup at sf ? |
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| 18:12.22 | jpa_ | hi jeffie |
| 18:12.33 | menotume | ahh, JeffM2501 may know |
| 18:12.34 | menotume | do we have compile farm setup at sf ? |
| 18:12.47 | menotume | so we can test-compile on windows/MSC |
| 18:12.52 | JeffM2501 | sf has a farm |
| 18:13.17 | JeffM2501 | IIRC any dev can use it |
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| 18:13.24 | menotume | ahhh, kewl |
| 18:13.26 | JeffM2501 | dono if bz builds from command line vc tho |
| 18:13.34 | JeffM2501 | do you just need a VC build? |
| 18:13.56 | menotume | ya, but it's not worth bothering any1 for - it's pretty minor |
| 18:14.02 | menotume | mostly wondering for future use |
| 18:14.26 | JeffM2501 | you'll spend more time seting it up then you will asking me to make one |
| 18:14.37 | jpa_ | he is just worrying about his silly timestamps :) |
| 18:14.46 | JeffM2501 | ? |
| 18:15.06 | JeffM2501 | there are 3 people here who can do vc builds for you |
| 18:15.38 | menotume | ok, thx |
| 18:16.12 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03menotume * 10bzflag/src/common/bzfio.cxx: FIX timestamping in Windows/MSC build. |
| 18:16.15 | JeffM2501 | I also don't know if you can install curl and the other 3rd party libs it may need on the compile farm |
| 18:16.21 | JeffM2501 | since its' not all from our source |
| 18:16.31 | menotume | ahhh, yes |
| 18:16.41 | menotume | it's probably sloooow too |
| 18:17.04 | SportyGal | JeffM2501: is there any reason that you know of that we can't/shouldn't make antiban work with an ip rather than only with hostban? |
| 18:17.35 | JeffM2501 | I don't know if it CAN |
| 18:17.42 | JeffM2501 | IP bans happen before the username is even sent |
| 18:17.53 | JeffM2501 | so there would be no way to know if the guy is "cool" |
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| 18:26.34 | jpa_ | hmm :D |
| 18:26.41 | jpa_ | fan3: 675000 RPM (min = 3000 RPM, div = 2) ALARM |
| 18:26.51 | jpa_ | no wonder my motherboard is going so cool: |
| 18:26.55 | jpa_ | M/B Temp: -115 C (low = +0 C, high = +40 C) sensor = disabled |
| 18:27.55 | bryjen | the IP ban stuff is now at the top of addPlayer, so the CallSign should be available then. It looks like its trying to check the perms, but I'm not sure they're vaild at that point |
| 18:29.18 | jpa_ | hmm |
| 18:29.49 | jpa_ | i think we could do like check callsign ->> has valid token? ->> override ban |
| 18:30.11 | jpa_ | if someone is using global login and we want to ban him, it can be done by username anyway |
| 18:30.44 | bryjen | both the login and ban stuff are add-ons that don't seem to be fitted well into the joining process |
| 18:31.07 | jpa_ | hmph :( |
| 18:31.13 | jpa_ | that is sad |
| 18:31.17 | jpa_ | i want pybzfs |
| 18:33.26 | bryjen | menotume has crumbs in his keyboard |
| 18:34.57 | menotume | ewww - all kinds of crap fell out |
| 18:35.00 | jpa_ | ~dict stunned |
| 18:35.08 | menotume | there's my car keys ! |
| 18:35.22 | jpa_ | bryjen: put your socks back on now! they smell! |
| 18:35.27 | JeffM2501 | if the IP stuf has been moved to later then yeah it should work |
| 18:35.42 | JeffM2501 | but that makes IP bans less efective against DNS atacks since they stay connected longer |
| 18:36.01 | JeffM2501 | but I guess the OS firewall layer could be used for that |
| 18:36.21 | bryjen | tonight at 11, When DNS attacks! |
| 18:36.51 | jpa_ | umm.. |
| 18:36.59 | jpa_ | isn't that dos, not dns? :) |
| 18:37.00 | JeffM2501 | sorry DOX |
| 18:37.05 | JeffM2501 | yeah dos |
| 18:37.08 | JeffM2501 | I can't type doday |
| 18:37.19 | jpa_ | i see that |
| 18:37.21 | jpa_ | you suck. |
| 18:37.34 | JeffM2501 | on for the nice ladys |
| 18:38.09 | JeffM2501 | only even |
| 18:38.42 | jpa_ | you need to get someone to write for you |
| 18:38.52 | jpa_ | or filter irc through ispell |
| 18:38.52 | JeffM2501 | a ghost IRC author? |
| 18:39.00 | JeffM2501 | or just wake up |
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| 18:39.13 | bryjen | ~wake JeffM2501 |
| 18:39.15 | ibot | JeffM2501: GOOD MORNING!!! |
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| 19:00.02 | bryjen | hmm, it probly need to move in by the hostban stuff so the players credentials are verified before applying a ban. |
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| 19:00.43 | bryjen | but then if the list server is unreachable, bans will not be applied |
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| 19:01.29 | JeffM2501 | maybe keep a state that knows if we have been in contact witht he list server in a while |
| 19:01.50 | JeffM2501 | and if we havn't don't wait for it |
| 19:03.31 | JeffM2501 | more then one person uses the same system |
| 19:03.32 | JeffM2501 | so user IDs are as close as we can get |
| 19:03.36 | JeffM2501 | specificly in schools and camps |
| 19:03.41 | JeffM2501 | a big place for the game |
| 19:05.15 | JeffM2501 | I've thought about it too |
| 19:05.21 | JeffM2501 | it's not easy to implement open source |
| 19:05.28 | JeffM2501 | it dosn't realy buy much |
| 19:05.38 | JeffM2501 | and has those multi user limits |
| 19:05.53 | JeffM2501 | any cheater can fake the ID if it's used for stuff like that |
| 19:06.03 | jpa_ | yup |
| 19:06.04 | JeffM2501 | sadly you just can never ever trust a client |
| 19:06.13 | jpa_ | we'll have to make some parts propietary ,) |
| 19:06.22 | JeffM2501 | never happen |
| 19:06.35 | JeffM2501 | 1) geting binarys out to all the platorms is impractical |
| 19:06.43 | JeffM2501 | 2) that would mean removeal from the debian systems |
| 19:06.54 | JeffM2501 | 3) they'd still just hack around it |
| 19:06.57 | jpa_ | lets do it in java :) |
| 19:07.04 | jpa_ | oh well.. |
| 19:07.04 | JeffM2501 | go ahead |
| 19:07.07 | JeffM2501 | tell us when you are done :) |
| 19:07.17 | jpa_ | if it is seperate, someone can hack it anyway :/ |
| 19:07.20 | JeffM2501 | you can't stop 100% of cheaters |
| 19:07.32 | JeffM2501 | all you can do is make it not worth the effort |
| 19:07.55 | jpa_ | it doesn't work that way |
| 19:08.16 | JeffM2501 | how many closed source comercial games have cheats? |
| 19:08.27 | jpa_ | cheating is not the payoff, just beating restrictions and anti-cheat thingies makes it fun |
| 19:08.38 | JeffM2501 | exactly |
| 19:08.44 | JeffM2501 | they are gonna do it anways |
| 19:08.49 | jpa_ | yup :( |
| 19:08.59 | JeffM2501 | so you make the end effects of what they can do as minimal as posible. |
| 19:09.16 | JeffM2501 | client IDs and stuff like that add no real features |
| 19:09.21 | JeffM2501 | what would you do with them? |
| 19:09.27 | JeffM2501 | just ban based on them? |
| 19:09.38 | jpa_ | yup |
| 19:09.48 | JeffM2501 | how's it difrent then an IP then |
| 19:09.58 | JeffM2501 | since anyone worth there salt can change them? |
| 19:10.01 | jpa_ | works better with dynamic ip's |
| 19:10.09 | jpa_ | yup |
| 19:10.14 | jpa_ | that is the problem :/ |
| 19:10.26 | JeffM2501 | so then it adds nothing the IP dosn't give |
| 19:10.31 | JeffM2501 | so it's wasted work |
| 19:10.46 | JeffM2501 | better time spent on making the game server keep the gamestate more secure |
| 19:10.58 | JeffM2501 | and knowing that people are doing things outside the "norm" |
| 19:11.49 | JeffM2501 | no no |
| 19:11.53 | JeffM2501 | that should be done |
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| 19:12.04 | JeffM2501 | jpa was saying he wanted each client to have it's own unique ID |
| 19:12.09 | JeffM2501 | to be used for bans |
| 19:12.12 | JeffM2501 | instead of an IP |
| 19:13.00 | JeffM2501 | but for the anitban stuff, a solution for when the list server isn't there has to be thought of |
| 19:13.07 | jpa_ | JeffM2501: isn't it incredible how much just saying "it should be done" can change? :) |
| 19:13.35 | jpa_ | brad2901: :( |
| 19:13.35 | JeffM2501 | huh? |
| 19:13.43 | brad2901 | ? |
| 19:13.45 | JeffM2501 | I'm saying I agree with her |
| 19:13.49 | SportyGal | JeffM2501: what about a list server look up and time out. if it times out, the ban works anyway |
| 19:13.50 | JeffM2501 | thats all |
| 19:13.59 | jpa_ | brad2901: *** 'brad2901' left the game. |
| 19:14.02 | brad2901 | ah |
| 19:14.05 | JeffM2501 | SportChick, that's what we'd have to make sure happend |
| 19:14.07 | brad2901 | I got kicked to tking :/ |
| 19:15.06 | JeffM2501 | brad2901, did CoH ever get his exemption on the server he wanted to play on? |
| 19:15.16 | brad2901 | yes |
| 19:15.26 | brad2901 | they fluched the master ban list for him |
| 19:15.31 | brad2901 | flushed |
| 19:15.32 | JeffM2501 | why? |
| 19:15.34 | brad2901 | dunno |
| 19:15.47 | JeffM2501 | they could have just whitelisted his IP |
| 19:15.54 | JeffM2501 | but it's only 4 other people they let in |
| 19:15.57 | brad2901 | is that easy? |
| 19:16.03 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 19:16.21 | JeffM2501 | the anitban is for people who use global auth |
| 19:16.28 | JeffM2501 | for him you'd just need a plain old whitelist |
| 19:16.37 | brad2901 | :S |
| 19:16.44 | brad2901 | I don't get it |
| 19:16.45 | bryjen | i think i see a way to test for the list server's presence, listServerLinksCount |
| 19:16.59 | JeffM2501 | gota love server ops who don't know how the server works |
| 19:17.06 | brad2901 | :) |
| 19:17.11 | JeffM2501 | brad2901, a whitelist is the oposet of a ban |
| 19:17.16 | JeffM2501 | it's an allow |
| 19:17.18 | brad2901 | yeah, I know that.. |
| 19:17.22 | brad2901 | how do I use it? |
| 19:17.29 | bryjen | is the whilelist still in there, or was it replaced by AntiBan ? |
| 19:17.31 | JeffM2501 | IIRC you just put it int he ban list |
| 19:17.40 | JeffM2501 | whitelist better still be therer |
| 19:17.47 | JeffM2501 | antiban does something very difrent |
| 19:17.57 | brad2901 | I put 'antiban' in the banlisT? |
| 19:17.57 | JeffM2501 | antiban only works on servers that do registration |
| 19:18.07 | JeffM2501 | no antiban is difrent |
| 19:18.12 | JeffM2501 | whitelist != antiban |
| 19:18.23 | brad2901 | so what do I add to the banlist? |
| 19:18.30 | JeffM2501 | let me look |
| 19:18.33 | brad2901 | ok |
| 19:18.47 | SportyGal | JeffM2501: do I understand you to say you can whitelist unregistered callsigns? |
| 19:18.54 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 19:18.57 | JeffM2501 | whitelist |
| 19:19.01 | JeffM2501 | is NOT callsign based |
| 19:19.06 | SportyGal | ah, ok |
| 19:19.06 | JeffM2501 | whitelist is IP based |
| 19:19.15 | SportyGal | so hostban and then whitelist a specific ip |
| 19:19.17 | SportyGal | got it |
| 19:19.53 | JeffM2501 | or IP range ban then whitelist a specific IP |
| 19:19.55 | SportyGal | so, whitelisting works for someone on static ip and antiban works for callsign |
| 19:20.00 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 19:20.04 | SportyGal | ok, ty |
| 19:20.10 | SportyGal | ~jeffm2501++ |
| 19:20.26 | JeffM2501 | asuming it's still set up that way |
| 19:20.31 | JeffM2501 | it was when I did masterban |
| 19:21.55 | JeffM2501 | guess they did remove it |
| 19:21.59 | JeffM2501 | seems lame to me |
| 19:22.04 | SportyGal | oh, whitelisting is gone? |
| 19:22.10 | JeffM2501 | I can't see it |
| 19:22.43 | JeffM2501 | the ban list should have explicid expceptions |
| 19:23.20 | JeffM2501 | I know nid had it for a while |
| 19:24.29 | JeffM2501 | ohh well |
| 19:24.40 | bryjen | that's why i asked if antiban had replaced it. I know they're not exactly the same, but similar features |
| 19:24.51 | JeffM2501 | the system should have both |
| 19:25.18 | bryjen | perhaps a tag of "except: " in the ban file, like "host: " for hostbans |
| 19:25.34 | JeffM2501 | first check for an IP ban, then a hostmask ban, if it's to be baned, check for IP exception, then callsign exemption. |
| 19:25.41 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 19:26.05 | JeffM2501 | that's how I thought it was working |
| 19:26.16 | JeffM2501 | where you put in a "dude he's cool" IP |
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| 19:52.05 | lem0n | hello....... |
| 19:53.27 | JeffM2501 | hello |
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| 20:01.14 | jpa_ | hi thumper |
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| 20:13.20 | bzflagwiz | Tupone: I compiled last night using your updated Makefile for mingw, but I still got the errors from not having windows_port.c included. |
| 20:13.59 | Tupone | can I have a look at your Makefile inside c-ares/ |
| 20:15.06 | bzflagwiz | Makefile.in? |
| 20:15.14 | Tupone | just Makefile |
| 20:15.58 | lem0n | Anyone have a copy of or know the location of the map file for the server that used to be on grassroots |
| 20:16.09 | cosmos | hrm |
| 20:16.16 | cosmos | we got hit by redsoxfan90 again this morning |
| 20:16.23 | bzflagwiz | Is that autogenerated? I don't see one in the source. I'm at a different pc right now, so I'll have to run the compile again... |
| 20:16.27 | cosmos | lem0n: i might have it |
| 20:16.44 | Tupone | yeah, auto, otherwise I'd know the content |
| 20:17.00 | bzflagwiz | oh yeah <groan> |
| 20:17.42 | Tupone | I just don't have MS$ |
| 20:17.44 | cosmos | yeah lem0n, i have one of the original bable maps |
| 20:18.04 | lem0n | cosmos: I'd love to get a copy of it, can't run a server of my own but I loved playing on that map |
| 20:18.15 | cosmos | whats your email |
| 20:18.31 | lem0n | Archangel.13 at Sasktel.net |
| 20:18.48 | bzflagwiz | Tupone: I'm running configure right now. Do you want me to email it to you? |
| 20:19.09 | Tupone | some pastebin site? |
| 20:21.00 | cosmos | lem0n just sent it |
| 20:21.06 | lem0n | cosmos: thanks |
| 20:21.07 | cosmos | you just cut/paste that into a .bzw file |
| 20:21.16 | cosmos | and then load it via -world babel.bzw |
| 20:22.44 | bzflagwiz | Tupone: http://wiz.home.mchsi.com/Makefile |
| 20:23.09 | bzflagwiz | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=31937#31937 |
| 20:23.36 | bzflagwiz | Lan posted that second bit of info last night, but I'm a makefile dummy |
| 20:23.41 | Tupone | change windows_port.c with windows_port.o :( |
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| 20:24.52 | bzflagwiz | Oh - should have mentioned that I added the "#include windows_port.c" thing myself. Just 'cause it worked. Are you saying change it to .o and I'm OK? |
| 20:25.12 | Tupone | in the Makefile |
| 20:25.48 | bzflagwiz | Sorry - I added that line in ares_init.c |
| 20:26.20 | lem0n | cosmos: thanks again |
| 20:26.51 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/c-ares/configure.ac: ho ho ... wrong extension |
| 20:28.04 | cosmos | no prob |
| 20:28.44 | bzflagwiz | So, until this propagates to CVS, do I change the windows_port.c to windows_port.o? |
| 20:29.16 | Tupone | in the Makefile, yes |
| 20:30.15 | bzflagwiz | Ok. Does that mean I can remove the #include windows_port.c from the ares_init.c file? Because until I added that the compilation wouldn't complete. |
| 20:38.20 | Tupone | yeah you should remove that |
| 20:50.46 | cosmos | @40000000424084dc0ebf8534 Player HEPCAT WILL BE 0WN3D! [1] has joined from 12.148.22.12 at 2005-03-22 12:49:22 with token "" |
| 20:52.18 | orchid | ciao Tupone |
| 20:52.28 | Tupone | hey ... Ciao |
| 20:59.10 | Birdie | maybe a stupid question: but if 2 tanks jump, the other jumps first, i jump just 1ms after it, face to face, i shoot 3 times on the tank(he is on his highest point, and i'm coming to it), the tank should always explode with no lag...right? |
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| 21:04.24 | bryjen | "face to face" meaing almost touching? or just looking at each other? |
| 21:05.04 | Birdie | loooking at each other, but pretty close, even almoust touching |
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| 21:10.21 | bryjen | at very short distances, a tight group of shots should work |
| 21:10.49 | Birdie | thx |
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| 21:42.00 | bzflagwiz | menotume - you there? |
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| 22:13.06 | orchid | !weather cyyz |
| 22:13.08 | guu` | orchid: The current temperature in Toronto-Pearson International, Ontario is 43°F (5:00 PM EST on March 22, 2005). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 49%. Dew Point: 25°F. Wind: WNW at 13 mph (20 km/h). Pressure: 30.17 in (1022 hPa). Visibility: 15.0 miles (24.1 kilometers). UV: 1 out of 16 |
| 22:13.23 | orchid | spring :) |
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| 22:23.02 | bryjen | !weather kowb |
| 22:23.09 | guu` | bryjen: The current temperature in Owensboro-Daviess County, Kentucky is 46°F (3:45 PM CST on March 22, 2005). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Pressure: 29.75 in (1007 hPa). Visibility: 6.0 miles (9.7 kilometers). UV: 1 out of 16 |
| 22:24.23 | bryjen | rained all morning. the sun is actually showing through right now. only 3 degrees above toronto? |
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| 22:25.38 | orchid | we usually get hit with another snowstorm as soon as it gets warm for a few days and we drop our guard |
| 22:26.04 | JeffM2501 | guu weather 93021 |
| 22:26.36 | bryjen | guu has got a tail ' |
| 22:26.44 | JeffM2501 | ohh |
| 22:27.02 | JeffM2501 | guu`, nick guu |
| 22:27.06 | JeffM2501 | guu weather 93021 |
| 22:27.08 | guu | JeffM2501: The current temperature in Moorpark, California is 52°F (2:15 PM PST on March 22, 2005). Conditions: Heavy Rain Mist. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 52°F. UV: 2 out of 16 |
| 22:27.29 | JeffM2501 | it's down to 52 |
| 22:27.32 | JeffM2501 | its cold |
| 22:27.38 | bryjen | huumid |
| 22:27.39 | orchid | grr :) |
| 22:27.52 | JeffM2501 | well yeah rain does change the humidity |
| 22:28.04 | JeffM2501 | your allways welcome to come visit orchid |
| 22:28.16 | orchid | yep, but I might never leave |
| 22:28.29 | JeffM2501 | posibly |
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| 22:29.46 | cosmos | not bad. |
| 22:29.51 | cosmos | 21/30 registered on hepcat |
| 22:30.09 | JeffM2501 | that's prety good |
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| 22:30.20 | cosmos | i turned off non reg spawn |
| 22:30.23 | cosmos | still over 20 players |
| 22:30.34 | JeffM2501 | there was a large influx of new registrations when you started that |
| 22:30.54 | cosmos | i think if secretplace and vipers did the same thing registrations would swell :) |
| 22:31.12 | JeffM2501 | sp is doing local reg IIRC |
| 22:31.37 | JeffM2501 | dono if he's going to go global only |
| 22:31.51 | JeffM2501 | it's not like he should ever have problems connecting to the list server :) |
| 22:31.58 | cosmos | the global only makes it nicer for the community as a whole imho |
| 22:32.10 | JeffM2501 | as a concept yes |
| 22:32.17 | cosmos | also easier to manage once the kinks worked out |
| 22:32.23 | cosmos | ie, dont have to /register everyewher |
| 22:32.24 | JeffM2501 | there are some issues with our implementation |
| 22:32.31 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 22:32.45 | cosmos | plus you cant just /register crapnames constantly |
| 22:32.54 | cosmos | or at least its a more time consuming process |
| 22:33.26 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 22:33.32 | JeffM2501 | the email takes some times |
| 22:34.16 | cosmos | i had a couple hits by redsoxfan90 this am but mostly since going registered to play the problems have gone away |
| 22:38.31 | JeffM2501 | yeah when the board dosn't allow your e-mail address it makes it hard :) |
| 22:38.46 | JeffM2501 | is there a BAN permision? |
| 22:38.59 | JeffM2501 | like anti-anti-ban? |
| 22:39.20 | cosmos | what email isnt allowed? |
| 22:39.27 | JeffM2501 | redsox's |
| 22:39.32 | cosmos | oh heh |
| 22:39.53 | cosmos | one thing ive noticed is that you cant poll kick/ban a registered user |
| 22:40.12 | JeffM2501 | tehre is a perm that protectes them |
| 22:40.16 | JeffM2501 | I think you have to remove it |
| 22:40.22 | JeffM2501 | or move it somewhere else |
| 22:40.27 | cosmos | hrm, gotta find that then |
| 22:41.13 | cosmos | ANTIPOLL ? |
| 22:43.27 | JeffM2501 | I think it's one of the antis |
| 22:47.25 | cosmos | let me see if it is that perm |
| 22:48.16 | cosmos | hahaha |
| 22:48.28 | cosmos | it tells me not enough registered players playing |
| 22:48.30 | cosmos | there are 20+ |
| 22:49.35 | JeffM2501 | I"m not entirely shure how it works |
| 22:50.39 | cosmos | poll code is broken |
| 22:50.53 | Pimpinella | must be recently |
| 22:51.07 | Pimpinella | still works fine on viper |
| 22:51.15 | cosmos | i have a day old cvs release |
| 22:51.29 | cosmos | with 20+ registered players no one can start a poll says not enough registered |
| 22:51.52 | Pimpinella | hm |
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| 22:57.05 | techman | how do I pu7ll an IP from the console in bzflag? |
| 22:57.13 | cosmos | # user polling |
| 22:57.13 | cosmos | -poll vetoTime=120 |
| 22:57.13 | cosmos | -poll votePercentage=33 |
| 22:57.13 | cosmos | -poll votesRequired=3 |
| 22:57.15 | cosmos | -poll voteTime=120 |
| 22:57.49 | techman | call of honor is on my map... and he is suppossed to be banned |
| 22:57.54 | techman | I need an ip |
| 22:58.01 | JeffM2501 | he's part of masterban |
| 22:58.15 | cosmos | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:58.20 | cosmos | get his ip |
| 22:58.45 | JeffM2501 | or turn on requireing of global auth on your server. |
| 22:58.55 | JeffM2501 | unless you want him there |
| 22:59.26 | techman | 67.21.107.174 call of honor3 |
| 22:59.41 | techman | Just thought I'd pass on his new ip |
| 22:59.51 | JeffM2501 | thats in the masterban |
| 23:00.00 | JeffM2501 | is your server using masterban |
| 23:00.10 | JeffM2501 | http://www.bzflag.org/master-bans.txt |
| 23:00.14 | JeffM2501 | second ban on the list |
| 23:00.53 | techman | Oh... Let me check something |
| 23:01.07 | JeffM2501 | did you start your server with -nomasterban ? |
| 23:02.06 | techman | yeah cuz it was causing problems |
| 23:02.14 | techman | But I just upgrade to 2.0.2 |
| 23:02.21 | techman | and I'm sorting out iossues |
| 23:02.26 | JeffM2501 | then it makes sense that he was there :) |
| 23:02.49 | techman | ok... he's off and I'm off... |
| 23:02.51 | JeffM2501 | he's hard up for servers to play on |
| 23:02.53 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 23:02.54 | JeffM2501 | have fun |
| 23:03.04 | techman | I'mma check my configuration |
| 23:04.12 | cosmos | more like call of dishonor |
| 23:04.21 | techman | I set -noMasterBanlist and set -banfile "badtanks.txt" and I'm manually entering tanks into the file. His IP is included in that file. Yet he got on anyway. Grr |
| 23:04.28 | JeffM2501 | more like call of asshat |
| 23:04.39 | cosmos | there is a syntax to the banfile |
| 23:04.42 | JeffM2501 | he has more then one |
| 23:04.43 | cosmos | its not just some list of ips |
| 23:04.45 | techman | BTW he says he's a mod at the nascar map |
| 23:04.51 | JeffM2501 | if you want just copy that file I linked |
| 23:04.55 | JeffM2501 | that's a balid banlist |
| 23:05.02 | JeffM2501 | he may be |
| 23:05.07 | Aribeth | what did call of honor do? |
| 23:05.09 | JeffM2501 | he had to beg for an exception |
| 23:05.14 | techman | I did copy that... You linked me a few days ago |
| 23:05.22 | JeffM2501 | spaming, threats, stuff like that |
| 23:05.28 | JeffM2501 | saying he had "cheat codes" |
| 23:05.58 | Aribeth | ok, he was on my server a couple of days ago. i'l add him to my ban list |
| 23:06.07 | JeffM2501 | just being the largetst nusance he could posibly be just so he's show me how stupid I was for telling him to stay on topic in bzbb |
| 23:06.23 | JeffM2501 | Aribeth, if you use masterban he's on it allready |
| 23:06.42 | Aribeth | i'll have to check that then |
| 23:07.12 | JeffM2501 | I mean when I get a complaint about him from somone with the word "mother f***er" in there server name, ya gotta know it's bad. |
| 23:07.26 | Aribeth | yup |
| 23:07.45 | JeffM2501 | Aribeth, servers use masterban by default |
| 23:07.52 | JeffM2501 | so you know know if you turned it off |
| 23:08.00 | techman | Hrm |
| 23:08.20 | JeffM2501 | well public servers that use the default list server do |
| 23:08.37 | techman | Maybe I should try killing the auto masterban disable again |
| 23:08.53 | JeffM2501 | if you have a valid libCURL it should work fine |
| 23:09.53 | techman | how do I tell if my libCURL is valid? |
| 23:09.56 | Aribeth | it should be working, but he did get in, so i will look to see it its working here |
| 23:10.20 | JeffM2501 | just make sure it's a decently recent version |
| 23:10.24 | JeffM2501 | techman, what OS is your server? |
| 23:10.35 | JeffM2501 | Aribeth, it may not update untill you restart the server |
| 23:10.45 | Aribeth | ahh, ok |
| 23:10.53 | JeffM2501 | it just gets the list on launch and uses it |
| 23:10.58 | JeffM2501 | I think a reload may get it too |
| 23:11.26 | bryjen | when the server is starting up, you'll see a message like "LIBCURL: libcurl/7.12.0 OpenSSL/0.9.7d zlib/1.2.1.1 |
| 23:11.28 | bryjen | Loaded master ban list from http://bzflag.org/master-bans.txt" |
| 23:11.30 | JeffM2501 | of course on sunday I get the expected e-mail from him "can I get back in now" |
| 23:12.03 | JeffM2501 | and if I would remove the ban by 5:00pm he'd forgive me |
| 23:12.04 | bryjen | the version numbers will probly be different, but something like that |
| 23:12.20 | *** join/#bzflag brad2901 (brad2901@ACC96957.ipt.aol.com) |
| 23:12.41 | Aribeth | a looser |
| 23:12.42 | techman | Ok... Still the old win98 machine. Just converted to 2.0.2 a matter of minutes ago. |
| 23:12.56 | JeffM2501 | ahh then yeah 98 may still have curl issues |
| 23:13.12 | techman | I was starting to get fairly common global logins till I changed. |
| 23:13.18 | techman | Now it doesn't like me anymore :( |
| 23:13.25 | JeffM2501 | upgrade :) |
| 23:13.29 | JeffM2501 | install linux |
| 23:13.32 | JeffM2501 | get a hardware router |
| 23:13.35 | JeffM2501 | and your golden :) |
| 23:13.44 | techman | grrrr |
| 23:13.45 | techman | hehe |
| 23:14.03 | JeffM2501 | then you wife can't "turn it off" cus she won't ever have to |
| 23:14.41 | techman | This setup has been working great (when not tampered with) for 6.5 years now. |
| 23:14.50 | techman | And linux doesn't like me :( |
| 23:15.02 | JeffM2501 | except that your global auth dosn't work well |
| 23:15.06 | Aribeth | then how about FreeBSD? |
| 23:15.06 | JeffM2501 | nor masterban |
| 23:15.17 | JeffM2501 | even 2k is better then 98 |
| 23:15.21 | techman | Ok ok |
| 23:15.29 | techman | I was fine until bzfs ;) |
| 23:15.39 | techman | I'd run a newer os but I'd need a new machine first |
| 23:15.48 | SportyGal | JeffM2501: secretplace allows only global reg now, but players can play unreg'd |
| 23:15.56 | techman | 2k, xp didn't support the old slots |
| 23:16.04 | JeffM2501 | ahhh |
| 23:16.09 | JeffM2501 | so he's allmost there :) |
| 23:16.15 | bryjen | old slots? |
| 23:16.21 | techman | isa |
| 23:16.25 | JeffM2501 | it can |
| 23:16.27 | bryjen | uhm... |
| 23:16.33 | techman | my server is an ancient socket 7 |
| 23:16.35 | JeffM2501 | installt he pnpISA |
| 23:16.39 | JeffM2501 | and you'll be good |
| 23:16.52 | techman | really? |
| 23:16.56 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 23:17.04 | techman | Was iz das? |
| 23:17.05 | JeffM2501 | hell NT is better then 9x |
| 23:17.12 | techman | Used to run NT |
| 23:17.15 | JeffM2501 | it's an optional driver that turns on ISA pnp support |
| 23:17.19 | techman | But I had a couple apps nt didn't like |
| 23:17.22 | JeffM2501 | what ISA cards do you have? |
| 23:17.33 | techman | nic and sound |
| 23:17.39 | techman | if memory serves |
| 23:17.42 | JeffM2501 | and how many PCI slots do you have? |
| 23:17.49 | techman | 3 |
| 23:17.54 | JeffM2501 | and they are full of? |
| 23:17.57 | bryjen | sound in a machine you're using for a router?! |
| 23:17.57 | techman | video, another nic and usb |
| 23:18.06 | JeffM2501 | why do you need 2 nicks? |
| 23:18.09 | techman | well |
| 23:18.13 | techman | don't need sound |
| 23:18.25 | JeffM2501 | and if you had a hardware router you wouldn't need 2 nicks :) |
| 23:18.27 | techman | But it's the only isa sound I had and this is the only machine it could fit in |
| 23:18.52 | techman | I rremember somebody telling me cable modem on usb is the devil and I should get it hooked via nic ;) |
| 23:19.04 | bryjen | routers are not needink sound. Ping packets do not actually ping. ;) |
| 23:19.11 | JeffM2501 | they are |
| 23:19.25 | techman | I'm just in a hole till I upgrade ;) |
| 23:19.39 | bryjen | come to think of it, they don't need USB either. |
| 23:19.40 | JeffM2501 | the router does your conneciton to your cable modem |
| 23:19.50 | JeffM2501 | then no PC resoureces at all are used by it :) |
| 23:19.51 | techman | upgrade will = xp pro corporate on new server |
| 23:19.55 | JeffM2501 | then you server can just serv |
| 23:20.00 | JeffM2501 | and be happy and free |
| 23:20.05 | techman | lol |
| 23:21.10 | techman | I'm considering. Dual processor machine moved to server position. It will be file server for the home lan, web server, bzfs server, firewall. Hooked to cable modem and gigabit switch |
| 23:21.13 | techman | That would be sweet |
| 23:21.25 | techman | Massive raid and everything |
| 23:21.58 | Aribeth | i have a hardware firewall/router here |
| 23:22.48 | techman | Anywho. I forgot to put the rules blocking call of honors ip's back up after the fiasco yesterday. But he won't be getting back on |
| 23:22.48 | bryjen | none of those services really need DP |
| 23:23.39 | techman | file serving massive files to multiple machines at once with a web server and bzfs and firewall all working at the same time? I'll avoid any possible lag |
| 23:23.59 | techman | The raid card isn't smart so it takes some overhead by itself when transfering files |
| 23:24.01 | JeffM2501 | I'd still realy recomend a hardware router |
| 23:24.06 | techman | I know |
| 23:24.11 | Aribeth | i would too |
| 23:24.11 | techman | Maytbe I'll do that |
| 23:24.13 | JeffM2501 | multiple layers is good |
| 23:24.21 | JeffM2501 | and let the hardware do the nat |
| 23:24.22 | techman | I assume they come in gigabit speeds |
| 23:24.25 | JeffM2501 | it works out a lot better |
| 23:24.31 | techman | lol |
| 23:24.35 | JeffM2501 | techman, you'd plug it into your rotuter |
| 23:24.38 | techman | I have about 500 dvd's on the raid |
| 23:24.41 | JeffM2501 | sorry your gigabit hub |
| 23:24.50 | techman | oh' |
| 23:24.52 | techman | ic |
| 23:24.53 | JeffM2501 | your cable modem dosn't run at gigabit |
| 23:24.57 | techman | running a switch |
| 23:24.58 | bryjen | a router doesn't need GB, its only every going to talk as fast as your Internet connection |
| 23:25.03 | techman | i know |
| 23:25.04 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 23:25.08 | JeffM2501 | it just has 2 ports |
| 23:25.10 | JeffM2501 | wan and lan |
| 23:25.14 | techman | oh ic |
| 23:25.18 | JeffM2501 | it'll do dns and dhcp too |
| 23:25.22 | bryjen | your switch will probly do 10/100/1000 and work it out |
| 23:25.43 | JeffM2501 | then you just ether set your server as the DMZ |
| 23:25.57 | JeffM2501 | or just do static routes for the ports you want ( <-----better ) |
| 23:26.25 | techman | My main issue is running linux for the bzfs server means I would like to also run the web server on it as well |
| 23:26.48 | techman | But I haven't always had the best luck getting linux and windows to play nice on the network (file sharing) |
| 23:26.54 | JeffM2501 | techman, apache |
| 23:27.05 | JeffM2501 | if your behind a router, run whatever you want |
| 23:27.13 | JeffM2501 | samaba isn't bad to set up |
| 23:27.16 | JeffM2501 | I have it running at home |
| 23:27.25 | JeffM2501 | all my music is on the linux system |
| 23:27.32 | JeffM2501 | and both the XP machine and the mac see it |
| 23:27.39 | techman | I played with apache and abyss about the same time. I liked abyss better (personal preference) does apache totally outperform it thouth?> |
| 23:28.12 | techman | Ive run redhat, suse, mandrake, lycoris, etc |
| 23:28.20 | JeffM2501 | what kind of high performance web serving you doing? |
| 23:28.30 | techman | Nothing high performance |
| 23:28.37 | techman | I just like being able to host stuff |
| 23:28.37 | JeffM2501 | then what's it mater? :) |
| 23:28.46 | JeffM2501 | they all work |
| 23:28.50 | techman | yeah |
| 23:28.59 | JeffM2501 | it's not rocket science |
| 23:29.03 | JeffM2501 | it's just simple networking |
| 23:29.08 | techman | I'm a little reluctant with my experience with linux thus far |
| 23:29.24 | JeffM2501 | if you have engouh machiens you can even spit your servers |
| 23:29.26 | techman | for me windows is simple networking. Linux can be a chore at times |
| 23:29.34 | techman | that's true |
| 23:29.38 | JeffM2501 | run a test webserver on like port 81 and route it to a difrent machine |
| 23:29.52 | JeffM2501 | seting linux with a static IP and seting up apache was cake |
| 23:29.58 | JeffM2501 | samba took a little longer |
| 23:30.00 | JeffM2501 | and some reading |
| 23:30.08 | JeffM2501 | but was not like pulling hair |
| 23:30.16 | techman | ic |
| 23:30.57 | JeffM2501 | you should be able to get a new mob and CPU for your serer cheap if you wanted |
| 23:31.02 | JeffM2501 | whats in it now? |
| 23:31.18 | JeffM2501 | someting with it all on the mobo cept video |
| 23:31.32 | Aribeth | i run a hardware router setup for static IP. i then run my own internal DNS server for my private LAN |
| 23:31.47 | JeffM2501 | that's what we do at the office here |
| 23:31.52 | Aribeth | and the router is my gateway |
| 23:31.55 | JeffM2501 | at home I let the router do DNS |
| 23:32.04 | JeffM2501 | it's just a forwarder |
| 23:32.22 | techman | I know, it would be cheap.. But I just bought a car, fixed my kawasaki and did a birthday for my eldest daughter. *turns pockets inside out* |
| 23:32.40 | *** join/#bzflag blast007 (~blast007@24-196-92-143.jvl.wi.charter.com) |
| 23:32.54 | JeffM2501 | get the kids to mow lawns and take a % cut :) |
| 23:33.00 | Aribeth | i alreaady had the dns server, so i just set the server to forward to the router |
| 23:33.05 | techman | LOL |
| 23:33.06 | JeffM2501 | heh |
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| 23:33.09 | JeffM2501 | whatever works |
| 23:33.43 | JeffM2501 | I mean it's cool that there is software that can do the NAT and net sharing, but that dons't mean it's the best for all situations :) |
| 23:33.54 | Aribeth | yup |
| 23:34.01 | JeffM2501 | you can do some kick ass stuff with haveing a system do nat |
| 23:34.19 | JeffM2501 | but for most home use a $30 router works better, is faster, and usualy more secure |
| 23:34.24 | JeffM2501 | cus the OS of the router system can't be hacked |
| 23:34.28 | JeffM2501 | as easaly |
| 23:34.37 | Aribeth | yup |
| 23:34.51 | bryjen | Mmm donats |
| 23:34.53 | JeffM2501 | my router dosn't even accept configurations from outside connections |
| 23:34.56 | bryjen | nuts |
| 23:34.56 | Aribeth | my router has a built in firewall |
| 23:35.06 | JeffM2501 | I think they all do |
| 23:35.09 | JeffM2501 | what one do you use? |
| 23:35.30 | Aribeth | i think its a netgear |
| 23:35.38 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 23:35.48 | techman | hrm |
| 23:35.56 | JeffM2501 | if I get another one, I think I'd get a 3com office connect one |
| 23:35.57 | Aribeth | all inbound is denyed by default |
| 23:36.10 | bryjen | all the "home gateway" devices offer similar features. firewall, dhcp, nat, simple routing |
| 23:36.11 | JeffM2501 | it's like 85$ but has a lot of cool features |
| 23:36.29 | Aribeth | yup |
| 23:36.35 | JeffM2501 | well yeah by nature of the NAT, it has to block em, it dosn't know where to send em :) |
| 23:36.52 | JeffM2501 | nat infers some sort of port filtering |
| 23:37.04 | JeffM2501 | since it uses port maping for the sharing |
| 23:37.15 | techman | NAT raises a question.... |
| 23:37.41 | JeffM2501 | nat is way cooler then a proxy |
| 23:38.04 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03pimpinella * 10bzflag/include/TimeKeeper.h: /home/frank/src/bzflag.2_0_2/bzflag/include/TimeKeeper.h |
| 23:38.10 | techman | When I installed emule (and this has come up in the past) I had to map a small port range to the machine with emule. Is this an issue with a hardware firewall/router? |
| 23:38.25 | JeffM2501 | you can set up static routes |
| 23:38.31 | TimRiker | JeffM2501: have you tried the new -view interlaced mode? it works well on some cards (nv) but really poorly on others. I just hacked in a basic stencil mode. I didn't optimize it at all, it still generates the stencil once per frame. improvements welcome. |
| 23:38.55 | JeffM2501 | you say this range allways maps to this IP and it routes it |
| 23:38.58 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker, what does it do? |
| 23:39.01 | techman | ic |
| 23:39.17 | JeffM2501 | techman, it's the same way you set up routing to for bzfs to your server |
| 23:39.18 | TimRiker | JeffM2501: left and right eye views interlaced for HMDs |
| 23:39.26 | JeffM2501 | I don't have a hmd |
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| 23:39.44 | TimRiker | ah. in that case it just makes the screen look bad. |
| 23:39.56 | JeffM2501 | that it would |
| 23:40.38 | JeffM2501 | and the shutter glasses I have don't require application code to make it be 3d |
| 23:40.47 | JeffM2501 | it's done at the driver level |
| 23:41.27 | techman | oooOOOooo! |
| 23:41.33 | techman | Thanks for reminding me |
| 23:42.06 | TimRiker | =) I've got an old http://vresources.jump-gate.com/articles/vre_articles/rapporta/cyberma2.jpg cybermaxx |
| 23:42.08 | techman | When I changed to the 2.0.2 version I went ahead and changed the port to 5154 since you said it is more standard/accepted |
| 23:42.28 | JeffM2501 | port dosn't realy mater |
| 23:42.33 | JeffM2501 | default is just easyer |
| 23:42.37 | JeffM2501 | since you set less things |
| 23:42.44 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker, that thing is masive |
| 23:42.48 | techman | And I forgot to change the port mapping to reflect |
| 23:42.48 | TimRiker | JeffM2501: well, if the application does not support it then static images would not be 3d. |
| 23:42.51 | techman | Changed now |
| 23:42.52 | JeffM2501 | and what is that from the TRON erra? :) |
| 23:43.10 | TimRiker | JeffM2501: heh. it's really old. but it still works. ;-) |
| 23:43.10 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker, the driver knows the matrix and figures out what is "hud" like |
| 23:43.41 | JeffM2501 | the drive solution works rather well in a large number of games |
| 23:43.43 | TimRiker | JeffM2501: wild. bzf work well? whose display is it? |
| 23:43.56 | JeffM2501 | yeah BZ was fine IIRC |
| 23:44.03 | JeffM2501 | it was just a set of cheap MCI shutter glasses |
| 23:44.08 | JeffM2501 | 25$ |
| 23:44.14 | JeffM2501 | they are on the floor here |
| 23:44.23 | TimRiker | I'd like to try bzflag on the new sharp 3d panels. |
| 23:44.36 | JeffM2501 | patches welcome |
| 23:44.39 | TimRiker | =) |
| 23:45.11 | JeffM2501 | I'd like to be motivated enough to actualy finish a code thingy |
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| 23:56.15 | techman | I remember hearing about some sort of plan for access to premium servers. Is this just ideas being bantered or is it coming down the pike? |
| 23:56.29 | techman | Pay access |
| 23:56.39 | JeffM2501 | the talk was that somone could set one up |
| 23:56.47 | JeffM2501 | not that it'd be like what all servers did |
| 23:56.48 | techman | IC |
| 23:56.58 | JeffM2501 | the technology exists right now to do it |
| 23:57.03 | JeffM2501 | probalby with no changes to bz |
| 23:57.27 | techman | And is there a set up account where people can contribute to the people who are currently working on bzflag software? |
| 23:57.36 | JeffM2501 | you'd want to allways make the defaults for the game be to run it free |
| 23:57.44 | JeffM2501 | a what? |
| 23:57.55 | JeffM2501 | the SF project has a donations section |
| 23:57.59 | JeffM2501 | that goes to tim |
| 23:58.17 | JeffM2501 | he uses it for stuff like paying for domain names for bzflag.org, dns, and stuff |
| 23:58.20 | techman | You know how some peeps make freeware but ask for donations if you enjoy it. Does bz do this? |
| 23:58.28 | JeffM2501 | not realy |
| 23:58.33 | techman | ic |
| 23:58.44 | JeffM2501 | there is just a donation button on the SF page |
| 23:58.49 | JeffM2501 | it's not pushed realy |
| 23:58.50 | techman | ic |
| 23:59.02 | JeffM2501 | the project itself dosnt' realy run any game servers |
| 23:59.12 | JeffM2501 | nid donates the list server bandwtih |
| 23:59.14 | techman | I'm sure the board costs a bit to run |
| 23:59.20 | JeffM2501 | nid donates that too |
| 23:59.23 | techman | bzbb |
| 23:59.25 | JeffM2501 | it's all on the list server machine |
| 23:59.27 | techman | oh ic |
| 23:59.40 | techman | A real 'low overhead' operation |
| 23:59.49 | JeffM2501 | dono how much bandwith it uses |
