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| 00:06.31 | SportChick | lag = 32 jitter = 34 packetloss = 0 |
| 00:10.10 | poxy | how often does the bzflag2 server list update from within the client? i recall i could start a server and see changes immediately, but i see a server up that i killed and changed its parameters a while ago... |
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| 00:12.13 | Aribeth | could it be the laptop's power management? if mine is set to poll frequently i have jitter |
| 00:13.01 | poxy | have you booted into safe mode + network? |
| 00:13.02 | Aribeth | SportChick try turning off power management if pocible |
| 00:13.27 | Jormungandr | Posted this earlier, had to run out for a few mins, I checked the firewall settings, they arn't the problem -- Can't seem to get my server up and running, I can connect locally (localhost.localdomain), but it doesn't reconize my ip, which is kinda strange. I posted the output at http://jormungandr.homedns.org/bzfsoutput -- Help would be greatly appreciated. |
| 00:13.30 | DTRemenak | poxy: that would disable accelerated graphics drivers |
| 00:13.42 | SportChick | Aribeth: why would that make a difference in 2.0 but not in 1.10? |
| 00:13.44 | poxy | DTRemenak: oic |
| 00:13.58 | Jormungandr | Can't seem to connect to the listserver |
| 00:14.17 | Aribeth | im not sure, i had it in both on my laptop. i set mine to poll every 5 min |
| 00:18.40 | SportChick | Aribeth: the particularly puzzling thing about this jitter problem is that it happens only in 2.0. it did not happen at all in 1.10 |
| 00:19.15 | Aribeth | SportChick, that is the weird thing about it |
| 00:20.06 | Tegan | SportChick, does 1.10 still run without that problem? |
| 00:20.29 | SportChick | Tegan: yes, to the extent I was able to get on 1.10 servers, it was just fine |
| 00:23.07 | poxy | is there a way to get bzfs to bind to a certain address on the system? |
| 00:24.08 | poxy | I see -i for interface... |
| 00:25.23 | poxy | packets go out by default on .148 and i want to run the server and have it bind to .147 |
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| 00:35.14 | MeBigFatGuy | w00t! gettin an open source license to JetBrain's IntelliJ IDEA fo free. |
| 00:47.41 | poxy | I guess -i means interface or ip heh... so silly I am |
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| 01:07.11 | wegstar | nthere is something wrong with bzadmin... |
| 01:12.06 | SportChick | someone please come at least tell the folks on secretplace to stop harrassing me until the jitter is fixed |
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| 01:21.32 | wegstar | ah... |
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| 02:04.26 | JBdiGriz | brlcad: ping |
| 02:09.59 | Grumbler | png |
| 02:10.05 | Grumbler | gnp |
| 02:10.08 | Grumbler | pong |
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| 02:30.37 | Nidhoggr | w00. just converted a sun cobalt raq4 into my cable router. |
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| 03:14.08 | Grumbler | ~seen Bagheera |
| 03:14.12 | ibot | bagheera <~Grumbler@grumbler.bronze.supporter.pdpc> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 10d 9h 20m 11s ago, saying: 'wow, noodle without the japanse-master title'. |
| 03:14.30 | Grumbler | hmmm |
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| 04:14.48 | Noodleman | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:14.48 | Noodleman | - :-) - |
| 04:14.48 | Noodleman | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:22.58 | poxy | nice |
| 04:40.35 | theEnemy | happy hedgehog? |
| 04:41.11 | theEnemy | had a good acupuncture session? |
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| 05:11.44 | Quantumbeep | Another dumb question: What's the hardware load for invisible objects? Does the video card still have to think about it? |
| 05:12.03 | Pimpinella | yep |
| 05:12.06 | Quantumbeep | Such as objects with alpha set to zero |
| 05:12.33 | trepan | no |
| 05:13.03 | Pimpinella | dpends |
| 05:13.04 | Quantumbeep | It is worthwhile performance-wise to skip textures and use colors? |
| 05:13.41 | trepan | Pimpinella: really? |
| 05:13.58 | Pimpinella | i've seen invisible objects slowing down gameplay significantly |
| 05:14.00 | MeBigFatGuy | Quantumbeep, solid colors certainly are much faster |
| 05:14.13 | MeBigFatGuy | your choice depends on your video card |
| 05:14.14 | Quantumbeep | I've been using lots of invisible objects for physics drivers in my latest map. |
| 05:14.38 | trepan | Quantumbeep: that depends on the client's setup, on good vidcard, textures have little effect |
| 05:14.41 | Quantumbeep | What's the performance hit for dynamic colors, such as a constant sinusoid? |
| 05:14.54 | Quantumbeep | Different from solid color |
| 05:14.55 | MeBigFatGuy | not much |
| 05:15.05 | Pimpinella | a frind of mine couldn't play pillbox anymore after they added invisible objects |
| 05:15.27 | Quantumbeep | Probably onboard video, ni? |
| 05:15.44 | Quantumbeep | I'm making a map with no textures at all. |
| 05:16.16 | Quantumbeep | Entirely closed in, so the depth buffer can really work. |
| 05:16.38 | trepan | Pimpinella: then they weren't added properly |
| 05:17.18 | Quantumbeep | "properly", in this case, is to set the diffuse alpha to zero, right? |
| 05:17.18 | Pimpinella | trepan: i made them visible for testing and it was fine ;) |
| 05:17.30 | trepan | Quantumbeep: yes |
| 05:17.45 | Pimpinella | ic |
| 05:17.58 | Quantumbeep | Okay. Off to map some more. Thanks for the new map coolness. |
| 05:17.59 | trepan | Pimpinella: i'd have to see it, transparent faces are not added to the scenenode octree |
| 05:18.24 | Pimpinella | dunno, was surprised myself |
| 05:18.30 | trepan | if you're running in BSP, then they count |
| 05:18.39 | trepan | but almost noone should be running without depth buffer |
| 05:18.48 | Quantumbeep | One more question. I'm heving trouble with tanks interacting oddly with tetra edges. Any ideas? |
| 05:19.11 | trepan | don't use tetras |
| 05:19.31 | Quantumbeep | Not good? |
| 05:20.55 | trepan | hmm, transparent faces properly don't count for BSP either |
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| 05:23.40 | Quantumbeep | Is there a way to adjust a client's radar to a specific zoom? |
| 05:24.28 | trepan | _radarLimit is related to zoom level |
| 05:24.46 | Quantumbeep | Aha. Goodie. |
| 05:25.49 | Quantumbeep | Another one. How do I use zones to exlclude everything but a certain area? the zone objects seem to be inclusive, not exclusive, if you know what I mean. |
| 05:25.57 | trepan | Pimpinella: it was probably the radar slowing down with the transparent objects |
| 05:26.09 | Quantumbeep | I want to spawn on a certain object. |
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| 05:32.16 | HeHe | Anyone here? |
| 05:32.56 | Quantumbeep | Nobody is here. Sorry. |
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| 06:17.17 | jpa_ | morning |
| 06:26.59 | cods | 'morning |
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| 06:29.54 | QuantumBeep | Bzfs exits without saying anything when I try to use the -public option. Any ideas? |
| 06:30.47 | cods | use -d several time |
| 06:30.51 | cods | to get verbose output |
| 06:31.01 | cods | you will probably get an error message |
| 06:31.18 | QuantumBeep | Thanks. I should have hought of that... |
| 06:32.29 | QuantumBeep | What ports do I need to forward on my firewall to use the list server? |
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| 06:46.17 | QuantumBeep | I'm gettting an error LIBCURL<NULL> when I try to run bzfs. |
| 06:49.25 | QuantumBeep | But it works on the 2.0.0 bzfs. I'm using the beta build. |
| 06:56.23 | jpa_ | morning |
| 06:57.16 | jpa_ | QuantumBeep: try to build yourself |
| 06:57.40 | jpa_ | QuantumBeep: or do ldd /path/to/bzfs and see if it says some missing libraries |
| 06:58.11 | QuantumBeep | I'm on Windows. |
| 06:58.38 | QuantumBeep | Using the windows binary build from the forum. |
| 06:58.54 | jpa_ | oh |
| 07:03.07 | Pimpinella | QuantumBeep: this might mean you have no curl ;) |
| 07:03.55 | QuantumBeep | How do I get Curl? |
| 07:04.05 | QuantumBeep | Hold on... I'll figure it out. |
| 07:07.10 | QuantumBeep | Oh. I did something really stupid. Not telling. |
| 07:07.30 | jpa_ | tell |
| 07:08.42 | jpa_ | you _have_ to tell :) |
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| 07:16.49 | QuantumBeep | Hmmm. Somehting about running 2.0.1b with a 2.0.0 libcurl dll. |
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| 07:25.18 | QuantumBeep | I've got my map up on the list server. Anyone want to check it out? |
| 07:25.52 | jpa_ | ok |
| 07:26.18 | jpa_ | are there clear "quantumbeeps ultracool map" -markins? :) |
| 07:26.44 | QuantumBeep | Yup. Close to top. |
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| 13:49.29 | Bagheera | morin/afternoon all |
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| 13:56.59 | jpa_ | you forget people who live in the islands in the pasific |
| 13:57.33 | Pizbit | People live in places other than NZ?:) |
| 13:58.28 | Bagheera | yeah, but they dont matter that much ;) |
| 13:58.42 | Pizbit | hehe |
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| 14:12.23 | Bagheera | it just started to snow...hard |
| 14:12.49 | Bagheera | !weather annapolis md |
| 14:12.51 | guu | Bagheera: The current temperature in Annapolis, Maryland is 33°F (8:54 AM EST on February 28, 2005). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: 26°F. Pressure: 29.86 in (1011 hPa). Visibility: 8.0 miles (12.9 kilometers). UV: 1 out of 16 |
| 14:14.18 | Bagheera | now thats a funky weather map.. http://www.weather.com/weather/map/21619 |
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| 15:22.52 | TheRedBaron | ok I need help discerning if a bug is due to a map, or to bzflag. |
| 15:23.25 | TheRedBaron | i've got a link discribing it, hold on |
| 15:24.43 | TheRedBaron | http://www.gamesunited.de/ib/index.php?showtopic=10534 |
| 15:26.08 | Bagheera | what is the map? |
| 15:26.20 | Bagheera | is it a basic block or a mesh |
| 15:26.26 | TheRedBaron | standard games united map |
| 15:26.28 | TheRedBaron | xmission |
| 15:26.34 | TheRedBaron | samething |
| 15:26.42 | TheRedBaron | Basic block i belive |
| 15:26.43 | Bagheera | where on the map |
| 15:26.48 | TheRedBaron | Its the bases |
| 15:27.12 | TheRedBaron | when jumping off the base toward the center of the map |
| 15:27.15 | Bagheera | does it still have the hidden block on the bases? |
| 15:27.26 | TheRedBaron | don't know. |
| 15:28.05 | TheRedBaron | but the funnything is it happens in mid-air |
| 15:28.20 | Bagheera | in 1.10 there was a bug that require a normal block to sit within the base block.......try getting rid of that hidden block and see if it happens again.......i |
| 15:28.21 | TheRedBaron | jumping off to center, not jumping ON to it from center |
| 15:28.47 | Bagheera | i understand, but lets get rid of the funky two block stuff |
| 15:29.09 | TheRedBaron | ok |
| 15:29.19 | Bagheera | after that, if it still occurs, then hammer the devs |
| 15:29.30 | Bagheera | with a big hammer |
| 15:29.34 | TheRedBaron | oh joy |
| 15:29.36 | Bagheera | sledge like |
| 15:29.37 | TheRedBaron | I love doing that. |
| 15:30.02 | TheRedBaron | brings back the good ol days of the radar fest |
| 15:30.11 | Bagheera | the bases on xmission are a little special |
| 15:30.46 | Bagheera | i suppose you could try making them standard thickness as well. |
| 15:30.51 | TheRedBaron | ah |
| 15:31.08 | Bagheera | good luck. |
| 15:31.40 | TheRedBaron | I'm not the mapmaker, or a mapmaker by standards... But I'll let the server ops know |
| 15:31.54 | TheRedBaron | now the other bug, or feature request is... |
| 15:32.23 | TheRedBaron | Colored shots on radar... |
| 15:32.48 | TheRedBaron | with enhanced radar turned ON, you can see the altitude of the shots by the differen't shading of the bullets |
| 15:33.21 | TheRedBaron | but with the colored shots turned "off" you lose that altitude discrimination... so you can't tell which ones are harmless and which are lethal. |
| 15:40.12 | brlcad | Bagheera: any idea how much we're gonna get today? |
| 15:40.39 | TheRedBaron | so If that could be one of those feature/bug request, something like that. |
| 15:41.04 | Bagheera | depends where you are, inland 10", 3-5" shore, zip atlantic coast |
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| 15:52.05 | menotume | we're supposed to get 8-12" at last count (Philadelphia) |
| 15:52.13 | menotume | which means probably 4" |
| 15:52.54 | menotume | Bagheera: where are u ? |
| 15:53.16 | Bagheera | menotume< here |
| 15:53.29 | menotume | oh, I thought you were *there*, my bad |
| 15:55.30 | Bagheera | menotume< baltimore/DC/annapolis |
| 15:55.39 | menotume | ahh, okies |
| 15:57.32 | menotume | well, the forecasters are doing there normal job - was supposed to start here around 8-9am |
| 15:58.47 | Bagheera | theres one |
| 15:58.51 | Bagheera | ooo, theres another |
| 15:58.58 | Bagheera | whoa, theres another |
| 15:59.08 | Bagheera | over there, another one |
| 15:59.27 | Bagheera | nothing really sticking though |
| 15:59.56 | Bagheera | been snowing for an hour+, ground is not even white |
| 16:00.06 | menotume | :) |
| 16:01.16 | menotume | now they're saying it'll start around 1pm, total 4-8" |
| 16:01.39 | menotume | will be more rain than originally expected |
| 16:02.46 | menotume | they would be much more accurate if they would just prediect 1-18" :P |
| 16:03.37 | Bagheera | ....shouldnt that be 0-18" |
| 16:03.57 | menotume | yes, even more accurate |
| 16:04.23 | Bagheera | just looked, we are in the 3-6 range now....looks like the 6-12 will be central md/western va/eastern wv |
| 16:04.44 | menotume | ahhh, that's good |
| 16:05.00 | Bagheera | oh well, just so long as i dont have to shovel.....back is killing me after the hike yesterday |
| 16:05.29 | menotume | I hear you |
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| 16:14.53 | Thumper_ | I recently enabled spam checking (and kicking) on my servers - should repeated commands really be treated as spam? ie. /lagstats |
| 16:15.17 | Thumper_ | versus stuff that actually gets sent to players |
| 16:20.50 | Noodleman | http://www.mycathatesyou.com/cats/2005/01/4 |
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| 17:07.24 | ruskie | ~bzfquery viper.pimpi.org:5158 |
| 17:07.35 | ruskie | hmmm |
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| 17:43.18 | [dmp] | ~d |
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| 17:45.22 | menotume | hellos dumpster |
| 17:47.07 | [dmp] | hello fishy.. |
| 17:47.48 | Noodle-sensei | ack ack ack ack |
| 17:47.51 | Noodle-sensei | the bookkeeper totally screwed up on one of my coworkers' taxes |
| 17:47.54 | Noodle-sensei | he owes uncle sam $1000 |
| 17:47.58 | Noodle-sensei | i hope she didn't screw up mine >< |
| 17:49.30 | JeffM2501 | like taxes are that hard |
| 17:49.43 | Noodle-sensei | heh, totally |
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| 17:50.15 | Noodle-sensei | from what i hear, she changed his withholdings without telling him, and didn't file the right form to let the IRS know |
| 17:51.12 | Noodle-sensei | i wouldn't put that kinda thing past her, as she is pretty psychotic |
| 17:53.06 | Noodle-sensei | then he asks her about it, and she basically says "you're screwed" |
| 18:00.57 | Nidhoggr | that's bad. |
| 18:03.29 | Bagheera | hopefully she is fired.....we are on our third payroll company for similar problems |
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| 18:15.03 | jpa_ | ~seen cods |
| 18:15.11 | ibot | cods is currently on #bzflag. Has said a total of 13 messages. Is idling for 11h 44m 10s |
| 18:15.11 | Grumbler | Nidhoggr< i thought sp had many,many wing flag jumps?......seemed like 4 or so last night |
| 18:15.46 | ToughShooter | Grumbler: _wingsJumpCount is set to 6 on secretplace |
| 18:16.16 | Grumbler | 6, hmm...didnt seem that high |
| 18:16.57 | ToughShooter | It is 6, /diff and /set show that value |
| 18:20.22 | Nidhoggr | I haven't decreased the number in the config. |
| 18:20.50 | Nidhoggr | it was 15, and now 6. |
| 18:27.17 | Grumbler | ah, maybe i remember the 15 |
| 18:27.25 | Grumbler | i kept falling |
| 18:33.47 | ToughShooter | ~bzfquery bzflag.secretplace.us:5255 |
| 18:34.06 | ToughShooter | Hmm, I am unable to join in :( |
| 18:35.44 | ToughShooter | My client freezes one second after joining (CVS-build from 25 of February) |
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| 18:37.51 | Grumbler | something wrong with a team name of "swiss killers"......its almost like "TeleTubby Assassins" |
| 18:38.51 | Noodle-sensei | the teletubbie assassins could be a team that assassinates teletubbies |
| 18:39.12 | ToughShooter | Using STABLE build has fixed the problem (but the first second everything was too fast) quitting and using CVS-build is now successful again. Had this problem several times. |
| 18:39.49 | Grumbler | the jitter effect maybe |
| 18:40.54 | ToughShooter | I use to have 0 or max 2 ms jitter, only one time I had 15ms. With this IP I had played over an hour and always had 0ms jitter. |
| 18:41.40 | Noodle-sensei | Grumbler: it could also be a team that assassinates people of swiss heritage |
| 18:41.48 | Noodle-sensei | that'd be almost too easy tho... :-P |
| 18:42.22 | Grumbler | Noodle-sensei< harder than you think, they distract you with gold and belgium chocolate |
| 18:42.42 | Grumbler | .....and throat lozenges |
| 18:43.49 | Grumbler | ToughShooter< the only time i have seen that effect(and i have not played a lot with 2.0) is when I am an iffy network connection......but that should not preclude anyone from thinking that it is not a problem, but that is my experience in this case |
| 18:44.11 | ToughShooter | I suspect using the STABLE build fixes some configuration error. Perhaps I should back-up my BZFlag prefs and then do a diff after STABLE was used. |
| 18:44.23 | Grumbler | good idea |
| 18:44.49 | Grumbler | maybe you have some graphic settings that cause a little funky behavior |
| 18:44.58 | ToughShooter | Problem is that this only happens sporadic |
| 18:45.12 | Grumbler | welcome to the real world |
| 18:45.16 | Grumbler | ;) |
| 18:46.10 | ToughShooter | My self written programs don't react like this. :D |
| 18:48.30 | Grumbler | try something more complex then "hello world" :) |
| 18:49.17 | ToughShooter | lol |
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| 18:50.47 | Grumbler | for those who are having problems with printing "hello world", i mean no disrespect...... Noodle-sensei |
| 18:52.20 | Noodle-sensei | Grumbler: them's fightin words |
| 18:52.45 | ToughShooter | Sorry, I'm just used some more complex Haskell stuff |
| 18:55.57 | ToughShooter | Grumbler: These "swiss killers" are my prefered targets :) |
| 18:56.33 | Grumbler | ah, a "swiss killer" assassin |
| 18:57.31 | Grumbler | SKA ....hmm, think i remember a team of that name |
| 19:05.49 | ToughShooter | Never heard of them and I was unable to find a BZFlag team with that name |
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| 19:23.35 | ToughShooter | Hi SportChick |
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| 19:32.18 | retro | Hi SportChick! |
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| 19:36.49 | Legolas_ | can any of tell me how to do the zone object in the air |
| 19:37.30 | Legolas_ | ...... |
| 19:38.07 | Grumbler | get yourself a set of pompoms, a trampoline........give me a "Z", give me an "O"..... |
| 19:38.40 | Legolas_ | what? oh |
| 19:39.04 | Grumbler | sry, havent touched the zone stuff lately |
| 19:39.22 | Legolas_ | ok |
| 19:39.33 | Grumbler | and most people seem to be lurking here with much ire |
| 19:39.38 | Legolas_ | anyone else? |
| 19:39.58 | Legolas_ | ........................................................ |
| 19:40.00 | Grumbler | if you wait around long enough(couple hours) someone should be by |
| 19:40.08 | Legolas_ | ......................................................... |
| 19:40.13 | Legolas_ | ............................................... |
| 19:40.18 | gina | no sorry I cant tell you |
| 19:40.27 | Legolas_ | ok |
| 19:40.49 | Legolas_ | anyone else |
| 19:40.53 | Legolas_ | n?.. |
| 19:41.03 | Grumbler | you will have to wait |
| 19:41.10 | Legolas_ | ok bbl |
| 19:41.12 | Grumbler | or post it |
| 19:41.14 | Legolas_ | bye |
| 19:41.20 | Grumbler | l8r |
| 19:41.41 | Legolas_ | ill be here but not really there |
| 19:41.59 | Grumbler | np, i am not here either |
| 19:42.07 | Legolas_ | ok? |
| 19:42.28 | Grumbler | why wouldnt it be |
| 19:42.46 | Legolas_ | ill be @ bzflag server Goliath.servegame.org i you have time look at it |
| 19:43.09 | Legolas_ | thats my brothers map :) |
| 19:43.27 | Grumbler | fyi, the "..." thing will get you slammed by some of the people here |
| 19:43.27 | Legolas_ | ok? are you going to look at it? |
| 19:43.36 | Grumbler | not now |
| 19:43.50 | Legolas_ | ok bbl |
| 19:45.05 | orange | ugh, he was on hepcat overlord earlier doing the same thing |
| 19:45.13 | SportChick | hi toughshooter and retreo |
| 19:45.13 | orange | I don't mind one or two messages, but 20 times is ridiculous |
| 19:45.20 | SportChick | s/retreo/retro |
| 19:47.36 | JeffM2501 | children demand attention from whoever they can get it from |
| 19:47.40 | ToughShooter | Ping Nidhoggr |
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| 19:51.03 | Nidhoggr | ToughShooter: pong |
| 19:51.47 | ToughShooter | Nidhoggr: Is there a special reason why no help pages (via /help) are available on secretplace? |
| 19:52.08 | Nidhoggr | i wasn't aware any existed |
| 19:52.15 | Nidhoggr | are there some in the distribution now? |
| 19:52.26 | ToughShooter | I was asked by a player and I think it's a good question |
| 19:53.14 | ToughShooter | There are none. I think it would be good to have some. |
| 19:54.13 | Nidhoggr | patches welcome :-P |
| 19:54.14 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 19:54.23 | ToughShooter | e.g. a list of rules for the players who can't run BZFlag in windowed mode |
| 19:54.58 | ToughShooter | Have you looked at my map? |
| 19:55.14 | Nidhoggr | another thing I haven't had time to do. :( |
| 19:55.19 | Nidhoggr | I am just too busy lately. |
| 19:55.34 | Nidhoggr | I will see if I can look at it soon. |
| 19:55.38 | Nidhoggr | too much is going on. |
| 19:57.16 | ToughShooter | It isn't that important, it would be nice if you drop me a line when you had time. Most admins on secreplace have already seen it when I was testing and the feedback was nice :) |
| 19:57.50 | Nidhoggr | I played 5 minutes of bzflag last night for the first time in over a month, and it was to test my new router at home. |
| 19:59.05 | ToughShooter | Well, I think I've overdone playing in the last few weeks... |
| 20:05.20 | jpa_ | gnight SportChick |
| 20:05.44 | jpa_ | (i have no time to talk so i'll get my karma for saying good night to you :) |
| 20:07.16 | ToughShooter | SportChick: When I'm beginning playing at morning and don't stop until it's night and my eyes hurt it's overdone. That's the definition (at least mine). :-p |
| 20:08.10 | jpa_ | ToughShooter: adjust monitor contrast, it might help |
| 20:08.20 | jpa_ | too high contrast makes my eyes hurt :/ |
| 20:08.33 | ToughShooter | jpa_: Do you know iBook () |
| 20:08.35 | Grumbler | SportChick< you get things working yet....i have seen your "pouting" all over the logs |
| 20:08.57 | ToughShooter | jpa_: Do you know iBook (12 ") monitors of the G3 generation? I think not... |
| 20:09.17 | jpa_ | i have a pc laptop with 13" lcd :) |
| 20:09.28 | jpa_ | but, i do not play bzflag with it |
| 20:10.15 | Legolas_ | can any of tell me how to do the zone object in the air |
| 20:10.38 | Legolas_ | ??? jpa you should |
| 20:10.56 | jpa_ | why? |
| 20:11.05 | jpa_ | it has no 3d card |
| 20:11.14 | Legolas_ | you have one |
| 20:11.26 | jpa_ | glxgears like 35fps initial size :) |
| 20:11.35 | Legolas_ | jap?? |
| 20:11.47 | Legolas_ | jpa****** |
| 20:11.57 | jpa_ | no |
| 20:12.12 | Legolas_ | no wiat |
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| 20:12.20 | jpa_ | nope |
| 20:13.00 | Legolas_ | yes you do becuase you did it where waterlevel is there and the zone thing was there |
| 20:13.36 | Legolas_ | i know you ddo 0:-) |
| 20:14.08 | Legolas_ | ;-( |
| 20:14.17 | Legolas_ | bye |
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| 20:16.22 | Nidhoggr | JeffM2501: ping |
| 20:16.59 | Grumbler | after hours of snowing, it is finally turing the ground white |
| 20:19.02 | Nidhoggr | my hair is almost white and I haven't been standing in snow. :( |
| 20:20.06 | Noodleman | white hair pwns |
| 20:20.10 | Nidhoggr | I guess I should be grateful that I still have hair. |
| 20:20.35 | Noodleman | i've considered bleaching my hair white |
| 20:21.30 | Nidhoggr | I have a dear friend (rest his soul) who used to do that every year at christmas time. he played father christmas (more of a european santa) |
| 20:21.41 | Nidhoggr | he was pretty grey already. |
| 20:22.11 | Nidhoggr | fortunately I am not grey, but white. I'm not fond of grey. |
| 20:22.22 | Grumbler | !lart Noodleman for not picking a callsign and sticking to it |
| 20:23.21 | Noodleman | haha |
| 20:23.39 | Noodleman | i'll take your hair |
| 20:23.44 | Noodleman | i have plenty, but i want more |
| 20:24.05 | Nidhoggr | grumbler: my method is a very close haircut. http://www.dragon.org/mandrake/cameron1.jpg :) |
| 20:24.50 | Noodleman | my hair is past shoulder length, but i want it longer |
| 20:24.56 | Noodleman | you might say i'm a masochist |
| 20:24.58 | Nidhoggr | makes hair products unneccessary. |
| 20:25.10 | Nidhoggr | Noodleman: my hair was to my belt in the back. |
| 20:25.19 | Nidhoggr | about 6 years ago. |
| 20:25.31 | Nidhoggr | it's very thick and grows fast. |
| 20:25.37 | Grumbler | aaaaahhh, scary |
| 20:25.41 | Nidhoggr | I have to buzz it all off about once a week. |
| 20:25.54 | Noodleman | dang, i wish mine grew that fast |
| 20:25.57 | Nidhoggr | ever monday. :) |
| 20:26.01 | Nidhoggr | err every |
| 20:42.53 | SportChick | Grumbler: no. I still have ridiculous jitter. yesterday I couldn't play at all without 5 people telling me to leave because of my "lag" |
| 20:43.30 | Nidhoggr | SportChick: are there others that have the same problem? |
| 20:43.53 | SportChick | Nidhoggr: yes, but it seems more sporadic with them (or at least they are only on sporadically) |
| 20:44.27 | Nidhoggr | does it change with lower video settings? |
| 20:44.32 | SportChick | no |
| 20:44.50 | SportChick | and the isp doesn't matter either - same problem from here and nocal |
| 20:44.51 | Nidhoggr | is it possible it's a router problem? does it happen to mozul's stuff too? |
| 20:45.02 | Nidhoggr | so just your machine? |
| 20:45.04 | SportChick | nope, not the router - we don't use a router in nocal |
| 20:45.22 | SportChick | seems to only be mine, yes (at least within our household) |
| 20:45.44 | Nidhoggr | I'm wondering if it's an issue with SDL and your laptop. |
| 20:45.50 | SportChick | but 32ms lag with 34ms jitter is just unplayable |
| 20:45.57 | Nidhoggr | has anyone tried building a non-SDL client for you? |
| 20:46.26 | SportChick | Nidhoggr: jeffm2501 may have. I'm not sure - he built me a special client, but I don't knwo what was special about it |
| 20:46.28 | Nidhoggr | it used to work fine with old version? |
| 20:46.32 | SportChick | perfectly |
| 20:46.32 | Nidhoggr | ah |
| 20:46.36 | SportChick | no jitter in sight |
| 20:46.41 | Nidhoggr | trying to get ahold of jeffm anyway. |
| 20:46.43 | SportChick | and the new client he built still has jitter |
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| 20:47.09 | SportChick | it's very depressing actually |
| 20:47.18 | SportChick | he's on aim right now, nid |
| 20:47.36 | Grumbler | SportChick< if you get a chance ask princess ariel if he/she is having the same problem, i noticed a lot of "jumpy" behavior with him/her as well |
| 20:48.11 | SportChick | Grumbler: if I see him, I will. Dunno though - I don't play much anymore because I can't play without getting chewed about because of my "lag" (aka jitter) |
| 20:48.25 | Grumbler | heh |
| 20:48.28 | SportChick | there are a few others who have the same problem, but i never remember to write down their names |
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| 20:48.41 | SportChick | Grumbler: it was so bad yesterday, I had ari come tell them to leave me alone |
| 20:48.44 | Grumbler | would be nice to get a clearer picture |
| 20:48.47 | SportChick | ~aribeth++ |
| 20:49.14 | SportChick | Grumbler: for the last few weeks we've done some troubleshooting, but it often seems like we are covering the same ground over and over |
| 20:49.32 | Grumbler | since i turned off chat and went to the fast radar my visual jitter is down on sp |
| 20:49.47 | SportChick | the last place it left off (that I remember) is they said I needed nidhoggr to put up a server on an old version to try and isolate where the change occurred |
| 20:50.08 | SportChick | Grumbler: unfortunately, if I do that, I'm not a very good admin anymore. I'm supposed to be watching that stuff |
| 20:50.14 | Grumbler | didnt DTR and you work back to all the old versions |
| 20:50.34 | Grumbler | err, old revisions of the 1.11 |
| 20:50.55 | SportChick | Grumbler: we did some of it, but they couldn't find the apparent problem when we went through that process before. So they wanted me to go further back and go one by one, using secretplace as the litmus test connection. |
| 20:51.13 | SportChick | which would mean that nid would have to put up old versions up on his server for me to conect to |
| 20:51.39 | Nidhoggr | let me see if I can. |
| 20:51.47 | Grumbler | ...and compile every revision going back |
| 20:51.53 | SportChick | yep |
| 20:52.05 | Grumbler | time consuming |
| 20:52.18 | SportChick | very |
| 20:52.34 | SportChick | of course, this has already consumed 4 or 5 full days of me trying things, answreing questions, etc. |
| 20:52.46 | Grumbler | dont you live down the street from JeffM2501 , cant you just drive down and use his machines? :) |
| 20:53.39 | SportChick | Grumbler: he's over an hour away (without traffic...and when have you EVER known LA to be without traffic?!) |
| 20:53.58 | SportChick | Grumbler: wanna check out my jitter - come see on se |
| 20:53.59 | SportChick | sp |
| 20:54.01 | Grumbler | consider it a journey |
| 20:54.16 | Grumbler | you one now? |
| 20:54.21 | SportChick | well, when I jump on for 10 minutes at a time, no way |
| 20:54.21 | Grumbler | err, on now? |
| 20:54.23 | SportChick | heading there now |
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| 21:00.50 | JeffM2501 | plus I'd make her take a cat back with her |
| 21:01.04 | orange | do player packets have a sequence number or something in them? |
| 21:01.30 | Chestal | MsgPlayerUpdate packets do |
| 21:01.32 | orange | riding with sportchick at sp it almost looks like position packets are arriving out of order |
| 21:01.35 | Grumbler | SportChick< i watched, your jitter did climb, from 7-13ms, but your ping ~31ms was the best of the group |
| 21:01.49 | Chestal | and out of order packets should be discarded by server |
| 21:02.02 | orange | which makes sense |
| 21:02.08 | orange | and then show up as packet loss? or not? |
| 21:02.11 | SportChick | Grumbler: my ping is always good. it's the jitter that undoes me |
| 21:02.33 | Chestal | no jitter compensation is done AFAIK, someone tried it once, maybe Tupone? I don't think it's in the code, though |
| 21:02.34 | Grumbler | i had some real bad pings, but that is probably just the network today |
| 21:02.45 | JeffM2501 | IIRC jitter is just how much your ping varys over time |
| 21:02.51 | orange | at one point her tank was slamming back and forth (turns) far faster than you can ever turn |
| 21:03.01 | Nidhoggr | that can be bad if the jitter varies 30some ms |
| 21:03.19 | Chestal | orange: yes, AFAIK if server recieves 2 4 3 5 it counts as one lost packet |
| 21:03.24 | SportChick | JeffM2501: not sure how that works then, because I can do lagstats 15 times in a row as fast as I can and ping will be constant at 32ms and jitter will vary from 15ms to 34ms |
| 21:03.36 | SportChick | and lost packets almost always show as 0 |
| 21:03.43 | orange | Chestal: and she was not showing packet loss, but perhaps the percentage isn't getting high enough |
| 21:03.48 | linuxclub | lagstat is computed any 10 sec |
| 21:04.04 | Chestal | orange: possible, I am not sure how high it must be to show |
| 21:04.09 | JeffM2501 | lagstats does some averaging, it's not instant |
| 21:04.17 | orange | I'd guess at least 1% :-) |
| 21:04.21 | JeffM2501 | so it would make sense that it's all the same |
| 21:04.31 | Chestal | the latency number is exponentially smoothed, new active ping measurement every 10s |
| 21:04.43 | Chestal | the jitter value is computed on every receipt of a MsgPlayerUpdate packet, though |
| 21:05.04 | orange | SportChick: I don't have a 1.10 client on this box or I'd go look |
| 21:05.06 | Grumbler | jitter is not averaged, or maxVal |
| 21:05.09 | Grumbler | ? |
| 21:05.20 | JeffM2501 | did 1.10 even have jitter? |
| 21:05.22 | Chestal | jitter undergoes exponential smoothing, too |
| 21:05.23 | ruskie | damn... I must have done something right.... |
| 21:05.28 | Grumbler | yes |
| 21:05.29 | Chestal | yes, 1.10 has jitter |
| 21:05.40 | Chestal | well, even 1.7 had jitter, but in 1.10 it's in the stats :-) |
| 21:06.22 | Chestal | it was my code initially, it was changed a bit, but I thnk it should still be the same basically, just restructured |
| 21:06.26 | Grumbler | hmm, makes me think of menotume 's png images he posted where jitter/lagstats were crazy |
| 21:06.33 | SportChick | ping on 1.10.8 = between 30-32ms with jitter = 0-2ms |
| 21:06.40 | Nidhoggr | I remember that a few times. |
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| 21:06.59 | Nidhoggr | I really think it has to do with something peculiar with your laptop, but hopefully it can be figured out. |
| 21:07.01 | orange | SportChick: are you sure there's no QoS application trying to prioritize your network traffic? |
| 21:07.08 | Chestal | I know there was a change introduced with 2.0 which somehow used the latency value early, when a lag ping was returned late (or not at all) |
| 21:07.09 | SportChick | Nidhoggr: can you stick up an early version of 1.11? maybe .33 or something |
| 21:07.17 | SportChick | orange, no. I've checked that |
| 21:07.23 | Chestal | something was changed after 2.0 release in there, too |
| 21:07.29 | Grumbler | QoS, oooo, could be |
| 21:07.37 | Nidhoggr | SportChick: It took me 15 minutes to find that one. I'll see if I can find any. |
| 21:07.40 | orange | no recently installed VOIP apps? |
| 21:07.40 | SportChick | ping is unrelated to what is running. I have had absoultely nothing going except bz and same issue (sometimes worse) |
| 21:07.44 | SportChick | Nidhoggr: thnaks |
| 21:07.51 | SportChick | s/thnaks/thanks |
| 21:07.55 | orange | have you booted safe mode with networking? |
| 21:08.14 | SportChick | orange: it's hard to remember now,b ut I think we tried that whne I was in berkeley |
| 21:08.15 | orange | dunno if bzflag will run in that, though |
| 21:08.17 | Grumbler | orange< i here she is even wearing a wet suit to play |
| 21:08.26 | SportChick | ~grumbler-- |
| 21:08.28 | retro | Nidhoggr, if you need me to pull and compile a few versions for you, let me know, and I'll do it. Anything to help SC. I miss playing with her! |
| 21:08.36 | SportChick | retro: thanks!! |
| 21:08.38 | SportChick | ~retro++ |
| 21:09.05 | SportChick | retro: I sure miss playing with you guys as well |
| 21:09.31 | retro | I can tell your jonesing real bad, SC. I want to help! |
| 21:09.39 | SportChick | reto: :) |
| 21:09.50 | SportChick | retro: :) |
| 21:09.59 | orange | SportChick: did it run in safe mode at all? |
| 21:10.22 | SportChick | orange: like I said, I don't remember for sure. We've done sooo many things over the last month or two |
| 21:10.43 | orange | seems like one to try, to me... LOTS of things run in windows without really showing up anywhere obvious |
| 21:11.01 | Nidhoggr | compiling some 1.11. not sure which it is. |
| 21:11.57 | Grumbler | a cut and paste of the process list might help |
| 21:12.09 | Grumbler | but i really think its not process related |
| 21:12.38 | orange | SportChick: wired or wireless? |
| 21:12.43 | *** join/#bzflag bz4177 (~518108a7@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 21:12.59 | bz4177 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:13.04 | SportChick | wired |
| 21:13.42 | orange | right click on the network icon and choose properties, and see if the QoS Packet Scheduler is turned on |
| 21:15.11 | bz4177 | im using the irc web client chat |
| 21:15.37 | JeffM2501 | Grumbler, I don't think she wants a cat |
| 21:16.15 | Grumbler | JeffM2501< didnt know starbucks was giving away cats |
| 21:16.22 | *** join/#bzflag SilverFox (user@68-116-47-254.or.charter.com) |
| 21:16.31 | JeffM2501 | they arn't |
| 21:16.32 | JeffM2501 | I am |
| 21:16.35 | JeffM2501 | want one? |
| 21:16.37 | *** join/#bzflag Sporty (~SportChic@ca-redbch-cuda1-c5b-b-192.stmnca.adelphia.net) |
| 21:16.53 | SilverFox | what's the word? |
| 21:16.58 | ruskie | -c+v |
| 21:17.06 | Grumbler | i dont want to have to clean up the mess after the dogs are done with it |
| 21:17.20 | JeffM2501 | the little cat could probably take your dog |
| 21:17.26 | JeffM2501 | she knows kung fu |
| 21:17.30 | Sporty | orange: turned it off and my jitter jumped from 8ms to 24 ms instantly (after disconnecting me from everything first) |
| 21:17.31 | ruskie | :)) |
| 21:17.52 | SilverFox | buffering? |
| 21:17.55 | orange | Sporty: interesting |
| 21:18.03 | orange | SilverFox: QoS Packet Scheduler |
| 21:18.22 | JeffM2501 | if it was her nic or network setup 1.10 would have the same problem |
| 21:18.33 | Grumbler | bingo |
| 21:18.46 | *** part/#bzflag linuxclub (~linuxclub@ppp-217-133-1-186.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) |
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| 21:22.54 | orange | hmmm, assuming the traffic is going to the same port and looks the same (headers, etc.) then that seems to make sense |
| 21:24.33 | JeffM2501 | best would be to dupe it in a debug enviornment |
| 21:24.37 | JeffM2501 | local would even be better. |
| 21:24.44 | JeffM2501 | but doubt it dupes local |
| 21:26.28 | Grumbler | SportChick< do you have any other connections open to sp during that time....ie, bzadmin, ssh, etc |
| 21:26.41 | Grumbler | i assume no |
| 21:29.52 | *** join/#bzflag SportGal (~SportChic@ca-redbch-cuda1-c5b-b-192.stmnca.adelphia.net) |
| 21:30.30 | *** join/#bzflag Legoguy (~Lego|Desk@adsl-67-36-178-174.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net) |
| 21:30.39 | SportChick | that was quit a trip- couldn't get back in |
| 21:35.37 | *** join/#bzflag Grumbler (~Grumbler@grumbler.bronze.supporter.pdpc) |
| 21:39.55 | orange | can't run bzflag in safe mode anyway, at least not with acceleration, at least not on my laptop |
| 21:41.08 | *** join/#bzflag gina (~gigi@88.53-136-217.adsl.skynet.be) |
| 21:42.41 | retro | So, are the lag and jitter times computed from a TCP ping, or a UDP ping, or an ICMP ping? |
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| 22:22.57 | Grumbler | evening mac, enjoy the snow |
| 22:23.04 | MeBigFatGuy | yuppers |
| 22:23.08 | MeBigFatGuy | all 1/2 inch of it |
| 22:23.09 | MeBigFatGuy | :) |
| 22:23.14 | Grumbler | :) |
| 22:23.25 | Grumbler | beats shovelling |
| 22:25.56 | Nidhoggr | hi MeBigFatGuy |
| 22:26.04 | MeBigFatGuy | yo nids |
| 22:26.11 | Nidhoggr | how goes it? |
| 22:26.21 | Nidhoggr | you buried under fluffy white stuff yet? |
| 22:26.21 | retro | Nidhoggr, did you see my offer to pull and build old versions of bzfs for you to help SportChick resolve her problem? |
| 22:26.46 | Nidhoggr | retro.. yep. do we need new ones built, or are they closer to finding a problem. |
| 22:26.49 | Nidhoggr | ? |
| 22:27.00 | MeBigFatGuy | yay! SportChick needs to be pacified |
| 22:27.11 | MeBigFatGuy | poor SportChick :( |
| 22:27.15 | retro | well, I think the idea was to try various 1.11 versions to see where the problem arose. It's kinda a binary search problem. |
| 22:27.25 | Nidhoggr | SportChick is very helpful. i wish her problem was easier to figure out. |
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| 22:27.48 | MeBigFatGuy | she has high standard deviation lag? |
| 22:28.06 | retro | It's also a bit tedious to build all those old versions, so I thought I'd offer to help. |
| 22:28.15 | Nidhoggr | on secretplace she has a lag of about 34ms, and a jitter of about the same. |
| 22:30.13 | *** join/#bzflag blast007 (~blast007@24-196-92-143.jvl.wi.charter.com) |
| 22:37.34 | Nidhoggr | she is on a cable connection very close to secretplace network-wise. |
| 22:37.40 | *** join/#bzflag LPMaN (griffith@cmb1-204.dial-up.arnes.si) |
| 22:37.45 | Nidhoggr | double digit lag is not uncommon on secretplace. :) |
| 22:37.52 | Nidhoggr | I typically get about 54ms |
| 22:38.55 | MeBigFatGuy | it is on this bad-boy :) |
| 22:39.45 | MeBigFatGuy | only updated as jitteralpha = jitteralpha / (0.99f + jitteralpha); |
| 22:39.50 | MeBigFatGuy | which seems odd |
| 22:40.02 | JeffM2501 | magic average? |
| 22:40.33 | MeBigFatGuy | starts at 1, but won't that just go to limit of 0? |
| 22:40.58 | JeffM2501 | what is it used in? |
| 22:41.09 | MeBigFatGuy | LagInfo::updateLag |
| 22:41.29 | MeBigFatGuy | used to calculate jitteravg, which i assume is the reported value |
| 22:42.21 | Chestal | alpha is the factor for exponential smoothing |
| 22:42.34 | Chestal | with a constant alpha, you get traditional exp smoothing |
| 22:42.46 | Chestal | the autoadjusting alpha is for the start phase |
| 22:43.49 | MeBigFatGuy | hmm, lessee, 1, 1/1.99, ~.5/1.5, ..... |
| 22:43.53 | MeBigFatGuy | is that what it's supposed to do? |
| 22:44.11 | Chestal | let's assume a target alpha value of 0.1 which is more obvious |
| 22:44.16 | MeBigFatGuy | 1, 1/2, 1/3, 1/4, 1/5, 1/6 add infinitum? |
| 22:44.26 | MeBigFatGuy | alpha starts at 1 |
| 22:44.27 | Chestal | so newavg = oldavg * 0.9 + newvalue * 0.1 |
| 22:44.53 | Chestal | or alpha=0.1 oldavg*(1-alpha) + newvalue*alpha |
| 22:45.11 | Chestal | problem is in the beginnign you really want alpha=1, so you get oldavg*0 + newvalue*1 |
| 22:46.07 | brlcad | hehe |
| 22:46.11 | Chestal | the alpha should converge to the target value |
| 22:46.45 | MeBigFatGuy | so alpha is purely mathemeatical equation, not driven by inputs? |
| 22:46.50 | Chestal | yes |
| 22:47.00 | MeBigFatGuy | and what is the limit? |
| 22:47.06 | Chestal | after a while it will be 0.1 (or 0.01 in case of jitter). Or at least very close to it |
| 22:47.48 | Chestal | the code would be somewhat cleaner if there was a const float targetalpha |
| 22:48.03 | Chestal | and then lpaha = apha / ((1-targetalpha) + alpha) |
| 22:48.46 | MeBigFatGuy | i assume it approaches the limit lightning quick |
| 22:48.54 | Chestal | just some magic so all values get their 'fair' weighting |
| 22:49.16 | Chestal | for target of 0.1, it will be quick, for 0.01, somewhat slower |
| 22:49.29 | MeBigFatGuy | what keeps it from going to 0.00000001 |
| 22:49.33 | Chestal | but for jitter the value is updated on every MagPlayerUpdate |
| 22:49.41 | Chestal | the formula does :-) |
| 22:49.48 | MeBigFatGuy | heh |
| 22:50.03 | JeffM2501 | the fact that it's .9 not .99 |
| 22:50.13 | JeffM2501 | or .999999999 |
| 22:50.14 | Chestal | there are two alphas |
| 22:50.17 | Chestal | one for latency, one for jitter |
| 22:50.20 | MeBigFatGuy | JeffM2501, ah ok |
| 22:50.29 | Chestal | the jitter alpha is very small with 0.01 |
| 22:50.39 | Chestal | because it makes sense to average over a greater number of values |
| 22:50.40 | JeffM2501 | that value is 1-theLimit |
| 22:51.02 | Chestal | thesse are just ad-hoc values though I chose |
| 22:51.22 | MeBigFatGuy | can we assume that for SportChick const float jitter = fabs(info->now - lastupdate |
| 22:51.22 | MeBigFatGuy | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:52.24 | Chestal | easiest is to instrument the code and just pritn out the values |
| 22:52.40 | MeBigFatGuy | won't that destroy the calculations? |
| 22:52.48 | Chestal | if agstats shows jitter, I would assume there is some |
| 22:53.00 | MeBigFatGuy | cd .. |
| 22:53.02 | MeBigFatGuy | oops |
| 22:53.18 | Chestal | do it with a server with only SPortchick on |
| 22:53.25 | Chestal | server shoudl receive at most 30 packets/s |
| 22:53.34 | MeBigFatGuy | but instrument the client? |
| 22:53.37 | Chestal | much less f she doesn't push around her mouse so much |
| 22:53.51 | MeBigFatGuy | Nidhoggr, is it all the time? or just sporadically? |
| 22:54.04 | Chestal | I meant to change the server |
| 22:54.12 | MeBigFatGuy | ChanServ, k |
| 22:54.14 | MeBigFatGuy | heh |
| 22:54.29 | Chestal | is the problem lagstats or felt lag/jitter? or both? |
| 22:54.43 | MeBigFatGuy | i think lagstats reports 40=ish jitter |
| 22:54.47 | MeBigFatGuy | and lag == 40 |
| 22:54.50 | MeBigFatGuy | or so i'm told |
| 22:55.23 | MeBigFatGuy | or perhaps, more correctly, or so i understand |
| 22:55.37 | Nidhoggr | MeBigFatGuy: for her it's all the time, I think. |
| 22:55.54 | MeBigFatGuy | Nidhoggr, could you host a instrumented server? |
| 22:56.08 | Nidhoggr | sure. get me source, and I'll compile and run. |
| 22:56.19 | MeBigFatGuy | Chestal, what would you want outputed? |
| 22:56.42 | Chestal | btw., I read somethng about another security bug in phpbb, but probably you already know? |
| 22:57.02 | Chestal | MeBigFatGuy: everything :-) |
| 22:57.02 | MeBigFatGuy | no idear |
| 22:57.06 | Nidhoggr | chestal, already quietly handled by our illustrious mister JeffM2501 |
| 22:57.30 | Nidhoggr | I had heard about it this morning, and messaged him and he patched the board. |
| 22:58.05 | Chestal | MeBigFatGuy: would at least print both delta-ts (delta of client timestamps and delta of server times) |
| 22:58.15 | Chestal | and probably the difference of the dts |
| 22:58.35 | Chestal | maybe also the sequence numbers of the packets to catch out of order and lost packets |
| 22:59.13 | MeBigFatGuy | MsgPlayerUpdate in bzfs.cxx? |
| 22:59.58 | Chestal | for the sequence number, yes, I guess |
| 23:00.09 | Chestal | the handlign must be done somewhere, not sure where it is in curent code |
| 23:01.45 | MeBigFatGuy | i wonder if she's got fonkey high speed, but oo packets |
| 23:02.15 | JeffM2501 | all it was was another '=', turned '==' into '===' |
| 23:03.19 | Chestal | MAC: the effect (as far as I have heard) would be one where small packets are accumulated before sending out as a larger batch for example |
| 23:04.05 | Chestal | that should be easily visible when looking at the indvidual jitter values |
| 23:07.52 | MeBigFatGuy | do we coalesce now, or do you mean nagel level |
| 23:08.09 | *** join/#bzflag bz5719 (~d5908c72@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 23:08.26 | bz5719 | hi |
| 23:08.31 | Chestal | just speculating, thinking of some "clever" router or whatever |
| 23:09.17 | bz5719 | what's the difference of the server options s and -s? |
| 23:09.34 | bz5719 | have tried both and cannot see any difference in flag behaviour |
| 23:09.50 | Chestal | -s and +s you mean? |
| 23:10.17 | MeBigFatGuy | Nidhoggr, can you apply diff -u patch files? |
| 23:10.44 | bz5719 | yes, thought i wrote s |
| 23:10.44 | bz5719 | oops, the plus doesnt come over the cgi frontent |
| 23:11.19 | Chestal | slot for +s flags are always filled, i.e. if a flag vansihes, another one will spawn immediately |
| 23:11.25 | Chestal | for -s flags, empty slots fill over time |
| 23:11.34 | Chestal | this should also be visible on a freshly started server |
| 23:11.53 | bz5719 | ah, so it's only a delay in respawn |
| 23:11.55 | Chestal | this was buggy at some time, though |
| 23:12.48 | MeBigFatGuy | hmmm, my jitteravg started at 25 and just keep getting higher and higher now at 50 |
| 23:12.58 | bz5719 | is there a possibility to restrict the number of a distinct flags, i.e. to say maximum one laser or one sw? |
| 23:13.14 | MeBigFatGuy | use +f |
| 23:13.15 | JeffM2501 | +f SW |
| 23:13.18 | MeBigFatGuy | +f L{1} |
| 23:13.20 | JeffM2501 | that will add one SW |
| 23:13.24 | JeffM2501 | or like that |
| 23:13.29 | JeffM2501 | if you want more then one |
| 23:13.41 | MeBigFatGuy | right |
| 23:13.52 | bz5719 | but as i understand then you have always one of this flag |
| 23:13.58 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 23:14.08 | MeBigFatGuy | +f L{4} |
| 23:14.09 | JeffM2501 | it's the max and min |
| 23:14.11 | MeBigFatGuy | gives 4 |
| 23:14.12 | Chestal | I don't think you can say: I want 10 random superflags, but at most 1 GM |
| 23:14.19 | JeffM2501 | no you can't |
| 23:14.21 | bz5719 | i want to have random flags but want to limit some of the flags to max one |
| 23:14.49 | MeBigFatGuy | Timestamp 536870912 LastTimeStamp 1078283896 now 536870912 lastupdate 1078283896 jitteravg 190.865109 |
| 23:14.50 | JeffM2501 | don't think you can do that |
| 23:15.02 | JeffM2501 | that's a big average MeBigFatGuy |
| 23:15.06 | bz5719 | hmm, i afraid this |
| 23:15.07 | Chestal | the closest is -s 10 -f gm +f gm |
| 23:15.10 | Chestal | I think |
| 23:15.13 | MeBigFatGuy | keeps going up |
| 23:15.20 | MeBigFatGuy | Timestamp 536870912 LastTimeStamp 1079200935 now 536870912 lastupdate 1079200935 jitteravg 225.175521 |
| 23:15.38 | JeffM2501 | dividing by a number less then 1 is the same as multipying by tis' inverse right? |
| 23:15.46 | JeffM2501 | aka more then 1 |
| 23:15.50 | Nidhoggr | mbfg, I have pretty crappy luck with patches. |
| 23:15.53 | bz5719 | yes, but with always a gm to be there |
| 23:15.56 | MeBigFatGuy | Timestamp -2147483648 LastTimeStamp 1079442585 now -2147483648 lastupdate 1079442585 jitteravg 239.924442 |
| 23:16.00 | Chestal | bz5719: exactly |
| 23:16.03 | Nidhoggr | I can try, as long as it's on current cvs. |
| 23:16.04 | MeBigFatGuy | wrapping around |
| 23:16.11 | Pizbit | JeffM2501: Yep |
| 23:16.21 | JeffM2501 | what was the forumla again? |
| 23:16.27 | Chestal | uhm, that doesn't look right |
| 23:16.29 | JeffM2501 | it didn't seem right that it would get smaller |
| 23:16.48 | MeBigFatGuy | Timestamp 0 LastTimeStamp 1080243764 now 0 lastupdate 1080243764 jitteravg 301.669558 |
| 23:16.49 | JeffM2501 | not with a divide |
| 23:16.52 | JeffM2501 | but then I'm not a math major |
| 23:16.55 | bz5719 | the randomness of the flags semm to be not especially good, often see the same flag twice with a liitle number of flags at all |
| 23:16.57 | Chestal | MeBigFatGuy: where have you added that output? |
| 23:17.28 | MeBigFatGuy | LagInfo.updateLag, at bottom |
| 23:17.48 | MeBigFatGuy | ok, that could be problematic |
| 23:17.53 | MeBigFatGuy | one sec, putting at bottom of if |
| 23:18.26 | bz5719 | ok, thanks a lot |
| 23:18.29 | bz5719 | bye |
| 23:18.50 | Chestal | MeBigFatGuy: and pritn them as doubles |
| 23:19.03 | Chestal | those numbers above look like ints |
| 23:19.35 | MeBigFatGuy | ok |
| 23:19.37 | MeBigFatGuy | one sec |
| 23:20.26 | JeffM2501 | what is jitter alpha seeded as? |
| 23:20.33 | Chestal | should be 1 |
| 23:20.39 | Chestal | the formulas are ok |
| 23:20.53 | Chestal | but check them nonetheless, cannot hurt :-) |
| 23:20.59 | JeffM2501 | I jsut want to step thru it so I can get it in my head :) |
| 23:21.25 | MeBigFatGuy | hmmm, |
| 23:21.34 | MeBigFatGuy | seems to be working now *blush* |
| 23:21.55 | Chestal | still, your jitter number was increasing |
| 23:21.57 | MeBigFatGuy | oh wait, jitter is growign |
| 23:22.05 | MeBigFatGuy | just much smaller nums |
| 23:22.23 | MeBigFatGuy | Timestamp 108.582603 LastTimeStamp 108.016068 now 111.969130 lastupdate 111.099133 jitteravg 0.021174 |
| 23:22.37 | MeBigFatGuy | Timestamp 123.020859 LastTimeStamp 121.958412 now 126.149519 lastupdate 125.086950 jitteravg 0.047486 |
| 23:22.50 | Chestal | would be useful to print the dts |
| 23:22.58 | Chestal | i.e. timestamp-lasttimestamp and now-lastupdate |
| 23:23.09 | MeBigFatGuy | ok |
| 23:23.21 | Chestal | those must match for low jitter |
| 23:23.28 | JeffM2501 | ibot 1/0.99 |
| 23:23.29 | ibot | 1.010101010101 |
| 23:25.15 | MeBigFatGuy | (Timestamp 16.621984 LastTimeStamp 16.184570)-->delta(0.437414) (now 21.608290 lastupdate 21.170796)-->delta(0.437494) jitteravg 0.011379 |
| 23:25.37 | MeBigFatGuy | (Timestamp 38.009243 LastTimeStamp 37.919876)-->delta(0.089367) (now 43.249068 lastupdate 42.844787)-->delta(0.404280) jitteravg 0.010477 |
| 23:25.37 | Chestal | is this with a local server? |
| 23:25.40 | MeBigFatGuy | yes |
| 23:26.09 | MeBigFatGuy | (Timestamp 69.337425 LastTimeStamp 68.274910)-->delta(1.062515) (now 74.307299 lastupdate 73.244908)-->delta(1.062390) jitteravg 0.025352 |
| 23:26.24 | MeBigFatGuy | bbin5 |
| 23:26.28 | Chestal | the 0.089367 <-> 0.404 was very bad |
| 23:26.38 | JeffM2501 | yeah alog narows down to limit fast |
| 23:28.05 | MeBigFatGuy | back |
| 23:28.14 | MeBigFatGuy | (Timestamp 193.206528 LastTimeStamp 192.144012)-->delta(1.062515) (now 198.172692 lastupdate 197.110210)-->delta(1.062482) jitteravg 0.01258 |
| 23:28.14 | MeBigFatGuy | 9 |
| 23:28.21 | JeffM2501 | http://pastebin.ca/6630 |
| 23:28.35 | JeffM2501 | make a spreadsheed that did it for me |
| 23:28.58 | SportChick | MeBigFatGuy: it seems to happen about 75-90% of the time. Occasionally (rarely), I get jitter as low as 7ms (which is still higher than my formal norm of 0-2ms on 1.10) |
| 23:29.14 | Nidhoggr | MeBigFatGuy: when you get the patch made, plz email it to mandrake@dragon.org. I'll see if I can get it running as soon as I can. you can also email cjmandrake@tmail.com when you send it, so it notifies my pager. |
| 23:29.24 | MeBigFatGuy | k |
| 23:30.30 | JeffM2501 | for some reason in my mind, I was thinking it was .99 * a not 0.99 + a |
| 23:30.59 | retro | So, can a bzflag 2.0 client talk to a 1.11.x bzfs server? |
| 23:31.08 | Chestal | MeBigFatGuy: from the few value I have seen it looks liek most dts match, but you have some big deviatons |
| 23:31.08 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 23:31.17 | JeffM2501 | we bumped prod before the final release |
| 23:31.22 | Chestal | MeBigFatGuy: could be scheduling issues |
| 23:31.32 | JeffM2501 | tho they have very similar featuers, as 1.11 became 2.0 |
| 23:31.43 | retro | so, can a recent 1.11.x bzflag client talk to early 1.11.x bzfs servers? |
| 23:31.51 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 23:31.55 | retro | sigh. |
| 23:31.57 | JeffM2501 | every X was a proto bump |
| 23:32.00 | MeBigFatGuy | (Timestamp 274.552155 LastTimeStamp 273.535858)-->delta(1.016296) (now 279.470526 lastupdate 278.454283)-->delta(1.016243) jitteravg 0.034010 |
| 23:32.01 | JeffM2501 | that's why we changed X |
| 23:32.06 | JeffM2501 | cus something got added or changed. |
| 23:32.15 | MeBigFatGuy | why is jitteravg constantly increasing? |
| 23:32.20 | JeffM2501 | it's dev, we changed it all the time |
| 23:32.35 | JeffM2501 | there were some that used the same proto, but not many |
| 23:32.39 | Chestal | MeBigFatGuy: it wasn't before, but maybe you restarted? |
| 23:32.51 | MeBigFatGuy | nope |
| 23:32.51 | JeffM2501 | bascly if the proto numbers match, then yes they can talk to each other |
| 23:32.54 | MeBigFatGuy | just letting it run |
| 23:32.55 | retro | So, if I wanted to try and build various 1.11.x bzfs servers to help SC narrow down when her problem started, I'd need to also build windoze bzflag clients. |
| 23:33.02 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 23:33.19 | Chestal | MeBigFatGuy: jitteravg 0.025352 jitteravg 0.01258 jitteravg 0.034010 |
| 23:33.23 | Chestal | your 3 latest values |
| 23:33.27 | retro | well, that's a problem. I don't have much in the way of dev tools for windoze. Does bzflag on windows use cygwin? |
| 23:33.35 | retro | I could get that. |
| 23:33.35 | JeffM2501 | no, not realy |
| 23:33.41 | JeffM2501 | it can if you do a nix style build |
| 23:33.44 | Grumbler | dont wish to interrupt, but are you thinking that the reporting of jitter is incorrect....if so, then SportChick still has an issue.......i guess you could be trying to understand the ruler by which you are judging |
| 23:33.52 | JeffM2501 | but then your not comparing the same type of buuild she is using |
| 23:34.00 | JeffM2501 | the mingw build seems to run worse for her. |
| 23:34.04 | Chestal | MeBigFatGuy: can you paste some consecutive liens to a pastebin? |
| 23:34.12 | JeffM2501 | the builds she has are done with VC7.1 |
| 23:34.29 | JeffM2501 | basicly it's going to come down to DTR or I making a server and a bunch of versions for her |
| 23:34.35 | retro | hrm, I don't have a copy of that. I suppose it's expensive, right? |
| 23:34.42 | JeffM2501 | 50$ |
| 23:34.44 | JeffM2501 | ish |
| 23:34.53 | retro | that's it? Oh, I could afford that. |
| 23:34.53 | JeffM2501 | ebay or edu |
| 23:35.01 | MeBigFatGuy | k |
| 23:35.19 | JeffM2501 | retro, it's not an online download thingy |
| 23:35.24 | JeffM2501 | it's a ship in the box thing |
| 23:35.25 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: my.bzflag.org/builds should have all of the original beta builds |
| 23:35.35 | retro | yeah, I figured. |
| 23:35.36 | JeffM2501 | did I keep an archinve? |
| 23:35.39 | DTRemenak | they're not linked on the page, but they're in the directory |
| 23:35.42 | JeffM2501 | wow |
| 23:35.46 | DTRemenak | I never deleted any of mine |
| 23:35.46 | retro | oohhh, that's good to know. |
| 23:35.50 | DTRemenak | dunno about yours :) |
| 23:35.51 | JeffM2501 | yeah so somone just runs a server for her |
| 23:36.12 | JeffM2501 | much less in the 1.11.x timeframe |
| 23:36.16 | JeffM2501 | before "the fall" |
| 23:37.03 | JeffM2501 | who ever runs a server and does the tests, needs to get a 1.10.x baseline first tho |
| 23:37.05 | retro | well, someone needs to run a server for SC, but also she needs to get the windoze bzflag clients to match |
| 23:37.08 | JeffM2501 | so the comparisons are the same. |
| 23:37.20 | JeffM2501 | is your S key broken? |
| 23:37.42 | JeffM2501 | you seem to keep hiting Z ;) |
| 23:37.54 | retro | no, I just like calling it windoze, or winders. |
| 23:38.01 | MeBigFatGuy | chestal http://pastebin.ca/6632 |
| 23:38.10 | JeffM2501 | so your going to test server on leeenox? |
| 23:38.26 | retro | so, how can I find these older beta binaries on my.bzflag.org/builds ?? |
| 23:38.35 | JeffM2501 | you can't |
| 23:38.45 | JeffM2501 | I can |
| 23:38.47 | JeffM2501 | DTR can |
| 23:38.54 | MeBigFatGuy | chestal, if i send the client to the background, the jitter goes way up. when i reactivate the window, the jitter does NOT go back down |
| 23:38.56 | JeffM2501 | unless... |
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| 23:38.58 | retro | Ah, it takes someone with upload privs. :) |
| 23:38.59 | JeffM2501 | let me look |
| 23:39.05 | JeffM2501 | it takes ssh access |
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| 23:39.16 | retro | well, I got that. :) |
| 23:39.23 | JeffM2501 | to the list server? |
| 23:39.25 | DTRemenak | they're named decently |
| 23:39.29 | retro | I just don't have an account. :) |
| 23:39.36 | JeffM2501 | that I can not give you |
| 23:39.43 | retro | I wasn't expecting you to. |
| 23:39.44 | JeffM2501 | are they in a subdir DTR? |
| 23:39.53 | DTRemenak | no, I don't think so |
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| 23:40.04 | JeffM2501 | then they arn't available for browse |
| 23:40.05 | Chestal | MeBigFatGuy: there are some very big ddts in there |
| 23:40.27 | MeBigFatGuy | Chestal, i'll try to smooth out my rope... |
| 23:40.36 | Chestal | MeBigFatGuy: e.g. second line has 1.06 on client side, but 1.78 on server |
| 23:40.36 | DTRemenak | http://my.bzflag.org/builds/bzflag1.11.X.exe |
| 23:40.41 | DTRemenak | where X is whatever version you want |
| 23:40.58 | Chestal | but with client+server on same machine I coudl imagne |
| 23:41.06 | retro | cool! I assume X starts at 1, and goes to ??? |
| 23:41.10 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 23:41.12 | JeffM2501 | it dosn't |
| 23:41.33 | JeffM2501 | 23, 24,25,27,28,32,33,35,36,38,41 |
| 23:41.52 | Chestal | MeBigFatGuy: delta(6.856541), weeh |
| 23:41.58 | MeBigFatGuy | heh |
| 23:41.59 | Chestal | server was sleeping for over 6s? |
| 23:42.01 | retro | what happened to 1 through 22? Not entirely successful? |
| 23:42.09 | JeffM2501 | ether wern't posted |
| 23:42.10 | MeBigFatGuy | sent patch to Nidhoggr |
| 23:42.11 | JeffM2501 | or removed |
| 23:42.31 | retro | Is SportChick even listening? |
| 23:42.32 | JeffM2501 | generaly don't start making the public releases till there are new features and stuff that are worth testing |
| 23:42.43 | MeBigFatGuy | SportChick is lurking |
| 23:42.50 | Chestal | MeBigFatGuy: you might want to add one more value |
| 23:42.56 | MeBigFatGuy | sure |
| 23:43.03 | MeBigFatGuy | Chestal, could have been on a client deactivate |
| 23:43.16 | Chestal | MeBigFatGuy: the jitter variable which is abs(dt1-dt2) |
| 23:43.19 | retro | She'll need to download those releases and install them, and then hopefully Nid can install the corresponding servers, and hopefully we can get some good data. |
| 23:43.30 | Chestal | so it's easy to see the current unaveraged jitter measurement |
| 23:43.34 | MeBigFatGuy | k |
| 23:44.38 | Chestal | th eother numebrs are only details which might be helpful in special cases, the jitter and the avg are the most important |
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| 23:44.46 | Chestal | well, have to go to bed, cu |
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| 23:45.49 | preston | what is error code 11004 |
| 23:46.32 | retro | Has anyone considered if ECN (Explicit Congestion Notification) could be part of SportChick's problem? |
| 23:46.44 | retro | Probably not, since 1.10 works, but I hadn't seen that idea tossed out before. |
| 23:48.58 | MeBigFatGuy | chestal: http://pastebin.ca/6633 |
| 23:49.17 | preston | what is error code 11004?! |
| 23:49.25 | MeBigFatGuy | a socket error |
| 23:49.27 | MeBigFatGuy | um |
| 23:49.31 | MeBigFatGuy | lemme look |
| 23:49.36 | JeffM2501 | it can't be anything with her connect if the reports tht old 11 versions work fine |
| 23:49.44 | Chestal | MeBigFatGuy: ok, that's much easier to see now |
| 23:50.03 | JeffM2501 | now if that is NOT a valid report, then anything could be |
| 23:50.14 | JeffM2501 | she could have SP2ed and goten all jacked |
| 23:50.17 | preston | what is error code 11004? |
| 23:50.19 | JeffM2501 | but she says 1.10 still works |
| 23:50.20 | preston | what is error code 11004? |
| 23:50.21 | MeBigFatGuy | bad dns i think preston |
| 23:50.22 | preston | what is error code 11004? |
| 23:50.30 | JeffM2501 | preston, excuse me? |
| 23:50.33 | preston | ok |
| 23:50.53 | JeffM2501 | humans are wierd |
| 23:50.58 | MeBigFatGuy | indeed |
| 23:51.23 | JeffM2501 | isnt' there something we can do about them? |
| 23:51.34 | retro | and I thought _I_ was weird. It's good to see people like preston to make me feel better. :) |
| 23:51.35 | Tupone | DTRemenak: are you building for SportChick? |
| 23:51.45 | Chestal | MeBigFatGuy: that looks ok, avg going down while rawjitter is low, than a few big rawjitter numbers make it go up again |
| 23:51.48 | JeffM2501 | humans do allways need somone to hate :) |
| 23:52.00 | DTRemenak | Tupone: the old builds are still up. if she needs other ones, I will build them. |
| 23:52.05 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, we were looking at the beta site, there are a number of other builds |
| 23:52.05 | Chestal | one can also see that just averaging is probaby not the most meaningful way to calc jitter stats |
| 23:52.24 | Chestal | maybe an average of a maximum over a sliding window would be better |
| 23:52.27 | Chestal | whatever, good night |
| 23:52.29 | retro | Just becuase preston makes me feel better doesn't mean I hate him JeffM. :) |
| 23:52.30 | Tupone | const int DRStateStable = 100; <<< a change on Player.cxx I like she test |
| 23:52.41 | JeffM2501 | there are many levels of hate :) |
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| 23:53.19 | *** topic/#bzflag is http://BZFlag.org/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/bb/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/ || http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/BZFlag || Shellshock is revived http://shellshock.bzflag.bz || Simple Map Help - http://bzflag.org/wiki/MapMaking || BZFlag 2.0.0 is Released! - Go to http://sf.net/projects/bzflag http://bzflag.org/wiki/Download | |
| 23:53.19 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o ibot] by ChanServ |
| 23:53.22 | retro | yay! |
| 23:53.23 | JeffM2501 | no, it's prety much a true statement |
| 23:53.41 | JeffM2501 | ibot isn't the most feature prone bot on the planet |
| 23:53.46 | JeffM2501 | it's just got a lot of data |
| 23:53.59 | JeffM2501 | can't even do an RSS feed |
| 23:54.01 | JeffM2501 | guu bugs |
| 23:54.08 | guu | JeffM2501: #1138609: Radar enable, performance problems, #1121331: v2.0 - keyboard msg input goes..., #1119029: bzflag 2.0 mac os x cursor issues, #1114901: AR_FLAGS unused, #1114508: LibGL Warning - Segmentation Fault, #1112337: Menu navigation very slow when..., #1112208: SphereSceneNode.cxx: meaningless..., #1111074: Sort of the server list, #1111060: Wrong everyone's permission, (5 more messages) |
| 23:54.26 | JeffM2501 | guu is good at dodging bullets |
| 23:54.47 | JeffM2501 | and ever since I got that steel plate, I've been fine |
| 23:55.12 | JeffM2501 | sadly perl I know not |
| 23:55.23 | JeffM2501 | tho I should upgrade guu |
| 23:55.24 | guu | No idea, JeffM2501. |
| 23:55.37 | JeffM2501 | guu version |
| 23:55.39 | guu | JeffM2501: The current (running) version of this Supybot is 0.80.0pre2. The newest version available online is 0.80.1. |
| 23:55.51 | JeffM2501 | well she's not that far behind |
| 23:56.04 | JeffM2501 | guu devcommits timriker |
| 23:56.07 | guu | JeffM2501: don't die on words like 'seen' || nobody cares if they are 'main' or 'extra' so kill em || old typo || don't fork in forks, some modules for postprocess || show bot_pid || postprocess for CLI || rot* || almost strict || really DCC || strict || useless || sort flags on chattr || don't override [+-]host || ws || silly hack || remind || trailing puntuation || (1 more message) |
| 23:56.33 | JeffM2501 | guu projectcommits bzflag |
| 23:56.37 | guu | JeffM2501: clarify || doc changes: spawning on BU/SR, polling permissions || correct *SceneNodeGenerator header paths || mostly ws, semantics || don't spawn on top of a teammate with burrow or steamroller, since that would be... || -poll disable* have been replaced by permissions || revert -poll disable*=bool options, remove the associated backend, and implement... || no-cache, and convert (2 more messages) |
| 23:56.51 | JeffM2501 | well her RSS time has slowed down |
| 23:56.57 | JeffM2501 | wonder if somone is sucking the bandwith |
| 23:57.22 | JeffM2501 | tho ibot must have had a good featureset, since supybot has an ibot emulation module |
| 23:57.54 | TimRiker | devcommits shows results from the blootbot project? |
| 23:58.14 | JeffM2501 | devcommits shows anything CIA tracks :) |
| 23:58.22 | TimRiker | ah |
| 23:58.29 | JeffM2501 | it's rss feeds |
| 23:58.36 | JeffM2501 | could probalby make a per dev per project one |
| 23:58.39 | *** join/#bzflag bz8754 (~188dab1d@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 23:58.41 | JeffM2501 | if CIA has a feed for it |
| 23:58.44 | bz8754 | hola |
| 23:58.54 | retro | JeffM, I tried downloading the 1.11.X versions from the bzflag.org URL you posted, and I get file not found errors. |
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| 23:59.17 | JeffM2501 | get the caps right? |
| 23:59.37 | TimRiker | so what's the rss feed for one of those? |
| 23:59.40 | JeffM2501 | is there an IDEA about when the jitter started going bad? |
| 23:59.48 | JeffM2501 | guu help rss |
| 23:59.49 | guu | JeffM2501: (rss <url> [<number of headlines>]) -- Gets the title components of the given RSS feed. If <number of headlines> is given, return only that many headlines. |
| 23:59.55 | JeffM2501 | guu list rss |
| 23:59.56 | guu | JeffM2501: add, announce, bzflagdonors, bzflagmotd, bzflagsfnews, bzflagsfreleases, bzgirl, ducati, fark, gumatches, info, matches, matches10, opencombat, opencombatsf, playerlist, remove, rss, serverlist, and slashdot |
