| 00:00.41 | S1gn | DTRemenak: yep it helped, thanks! :) |
| 00:00.50 | DTRemenak | S1gn: no problem :) |
| 00:00.53 | S1gn | :) |
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| 00:02.12 | S1gn | actually I was asked to figure out what's wrong by another person :) |
| 00:02.43 | S1gn | but tried it here |
| 00:06.08 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/TODO: -poll disable* have been replaced by permissions |
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| 00:17.09 | Pimpinella | DTRemenak: POLLFLAGRESET should only allow /flag reset unused |
| 00:17.28 | DTRemenak | Pimpinella: what does it do now? |
| 00:18.22 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/ (SpawnPosition.h SpawnPosition.cxx): don't spawn on top of a teammate with burrow or steamroller, since that would be a bad thing |
| 00:19.10 | Pimpinella | dunno, havn't reviewed the commit yet, but if nobody changed it, it executes /flag reset |
| 00:19.28 | DTRemenak | DEBUG1("Poll flagreset taking action: resetting unused flags.\n"); |
| 00:19.36 | DTRemenak | sounds like unused to me |
| 00:20.01 | Pimpinella | and do you really think granting all of them to VERIFIED is a good idea? |
| 00:20.15 | DTRemenak | yup, that's the point of being able to poll |
| 00:20.29 | Pimpinella | well, sombody changed it then :) |
| 00:20.32 | DTRemenak | you need a pretty strong majority of verified players to go along with it |
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| 01:00.50 | JeffM2501 | suff |
| 01:00.54 | JeffM2501 | stuff even :) |
| 01:00.58 | JeffM2501 | Service Pack 2 |
| 01:01.01 | JeffM2501 | for windows XP |
| 01:01.04 | rabbit25 | o |
| 01:01.08 | rabbit25 | i use a mac |
| 01:01.16 | rabbit25 | you should too if you dont... |
| 01:01.22 | JeffM2501 | I own a mac |
| 01:01.27 | JeffM2501 | and 2 windows systems |
| 01:01.35 | JeffM2501 | and 4 linux systesm |
| 01:01.36 | rabbit25 | oh |
| 01:01.40 | rabbit25 | scary! |
| 01:01.41 | JeffM2501 | actualy I own 9 macs |
| 01:01.45 | JeffM2501 | only 2 run tho |
| 01:01.45 | rabbit25 | too many computers! |
| 01:01.49 | rabbit25 | not really |
| 01:01.50 | JeffM2501 | not realy |
| 01:01.57 | JeffM2501 | many will be thrown soon |
| 01:02.03 | JeffM2501 | have to get down to 5 before I move |
| 01:02.04 | rabbit25 | i used to have about 10 old comps and new ones |
| 01:02.12 | rabbit25 | well my dad did... |
| 01:02.17 | rabbit25 | g2g study... |
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| 02:59.26 | KR | hi all |
| 02:59.34 | sgk284 | hello |
| 02:59.53 | KR | I know 2.0 is supposed to be harder to cheat with, but there is a really obvious one at hepcat pillbox right now if u want to look |
| 03:00.26 | KR | bullets can hit, teleporting when shot at, that sort of thing |
| 03:00.26 | KR | call sign is "Make Love Not War" |
| 03:00.30 | Grumbler | dam, life sucks |
| 03:00.48 | KR | heh - |
| 03:01.09 | KR | doesnt bother me much, I dont play there too often, thought someone might like to know is all |
| 03:01.15 | LouMan | is anyone aware of what would cause a server to kill the bzflag app with all of it's players all at once? |
| 03:01.29 | KR | OK, back to playing - c ya |
| 03:09.10 | cods | hmmm, length of the normals matter in mesh objects.. Interesting. |
| 03:11.33 | cods | how to interpolate normals ? When splitting a polygon segment, I'm actually just computing n1+(n2-n1)*a (where 'a' is the position on the segment, n1 and n2 being the normals at the ends), but the result don't look very good. |
| 03:13.20 | cods | (more precisely, I normalize the resulting n1+(n2-n1)*a actually.) |
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| 03:17.01 | MeBigFatGuy | ? the normal on a polygon segment should be the same for all points ? |
| 03:17.47 | cods | it's about the normal used for shading. |
| 03:17.54 | cods | not the polygon's normal |
| 03:18.11 | cods | otherwise, of course, it's the same normal everywhere :) |
| 03:20.30 | MeBigFatGuy | ah ok |
| 03:21.01 | MeBigFatGuy | a is 0 to 1, where 0 at n1? |
| 03:21.06 | cods | yes |
| 03:21.46 | MeBigFatGuy | seems right, as long as you post normalize |
| 03:25.27 | JeffM2501 | cods you slurp them |
| 03:25.32 | JeffM2501 | not average |
| 03:25.41 | JeffM2501 | tho averaging will look "OK" |
| 03:25.51 | cods | ~dict slurp |
| 03:26.06 | JeffM2501 | Spherical linear interpolation |
| 03:26.11 | cods | ah |
| 03:26.29 | JeffM2501 | basicly you find the angle dif between them and rotate them by the fractional amount |
| 03:26.31 | cods | deducing sort of oval (not "square" circle) by the 2 normals ? |
| 03:26.42 | cods | oh ok |
| 03:26.43 | JeffM2501 | yeah, since the lens are the same |
| 03:26.48 | JeffM2501 | it's just a rotation |
| 03:26.53 | JeffM2501 | to get from one to another |
| 03:26.59 | JeffM2501 | in 3 axis |
| 03:27.14 | cods | ok. Make sense :) |
| 03:27.20 | JeffM2501 | but linear and normalise is often close enough |
| 03:27.34 | JeffM2501 | slurps are not fast |
| 03:28.07 | cods | yeah.. it's the main problem.. I'm doing everything in Python, and it's already slow. |
| 03:28.09 | MeBigFatGuy | quarterions? |
| 03:28.24 | JeffM2501 | yeah quats are good for slurps |
| 03:28.32 | JeffM2501 | best IIRC |
| 03:28.48 | JeffM2501 | you efectlvly turn a vector into one, if they arn't one allready when doing them |
| 03:29.25 | cods | no enough familiar with quaternions to use them in my project. Just using "dumb" 3d vector. |
| 03:29.48 | JeffM2501 | quats are just another way to store the same data |
| 03:30.00 | JeffM2501 | that is easyer to maipulate in many operations |
| 03:30.48 | JeffM2501 | problem you have with euler angles in the roations is that you get order of operation problems |
| 03:30.51 | JeffM2501 | and gymbal lock |
| 03:32.09 | cods | "gimbal lock" ? (looking in google) |
| 03:32.38 | cods | as explained here: http://www.cc.gatech.edu/grads/z/Howard.Zhou/micellaneous/links_local/EularQuats.htm ? |
| 03:33.15 | JeffM2501 | yeah it's cus axes are moving with other axes they get wierded |
| 03:33.21 | JeffM2501 | quats are allways in worldspace |
| 03:33.38 | JeffM2501 | well in a constant CS at least |
| 03:34.39 | JeffM2501 | I did the average and normalise thing when I was blending normals for vertex animated meshes, it's often ok enough to look good |
| 03:35.46 | cods | I will use the "slurp" way since anyway it's not for realtime use. |
| 03:36.06 | JeffM2501 | the visual diferance may be minimal |
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| 04:20.31 | cods | ~seen trepan |
| 04:20.33 | ibot | trepan <~trepan@trepan.user> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 3d 21h 26m 43s ago, saying: 'mahler23: the -framework checks mean nothing for linux folks, but my tired eyes are having a hard time with the rest of it'. |
| 04:22.44 | cods | weird.. An object (mesh) alone is correctly displayed in bzflag. But adding other object cause one of the triangle of the mesh to disappear (rejected because it's non-convex mesh face..) |
| 04:23.08 | cods | I don't know where is the problem exactly. |
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| 04:49.21 | cods | trepan, you're there ? |
| 04:52.15 | trepan | sorta |
| 04:53.02 | cods | I was wondering about that 30 minutes ago: |
| 04:53.07 | cods | "weird.. An object (mesh) alone is correctly displayed in bzflag. But adding other object cause one of the triangle of the mesh to disappear (rejected because it's non-convex mesh face..)" |
| 04:53.35 | trepan | that's unfortunate |
| 04:54.42 | cods | it could be related to bzfs, or it's necessary an error on my side ? |
| 04:54.49 | trepan | dunno |
| 04:56.54 | cods | ok. So it's not an eventual know bug. It's what I wanted to know. |
| 04:57.27 | MeBigFatGuy | having a rough day, there, trepan ? :) |
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| 05:40.36 | Pimpinella | identity crisis? ;o) |
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| 06:00.34 | wegstar | nite all |
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| 06:12.10 | *** topic/#bzflag is http://BZFlag.org/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/bb/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/ || http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/BZFlag || Shellshock is revived http://shellshock.bzflag.bz || Simple Map Help - http://bzflag.org/wiki/MapMaking || BZFlag 2.0.0 is Released! - Go to http://sf.net/projects/bzflag http://bzflag.org/wiki/Download | |
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| 06:37.16 | MeBigFatGuy | brlcad? |
| 06:37.23 | MeBigFatGuy | moved to india? |
| 06:38.53 | brlcad | :) |
| 06:39.12 | brlcad | nah, something bit me to come in and get some stuff done |
| 06:39.33 | brlcad | peaceful slide into work :) |
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| 06:43.32 | *** topic/#bzflag is http://BZFlag.org/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/bb/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/ || http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/BZFlag || Shellshock is revived http://shellshock.bzflag.bz || Simple Map Help - http://bzflag.org/wiki/MapMaking || BZFlag 2.0.0 is Released! - Go to http://sf.net/projects/bzflag http://bzflag.org/wiki/Download | |
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| 06:53.09 | MeBigFatGuy | well you picked a pleasant day to drive in |
| 06:53.13 | MeBigFatGuy | er, nite |
| 07:20.35 | PrezKennedy | not the worst place to spend the night |
| 07:20.43 | PrezKennedy | it has a couch, a refridgerator, a tv and a bathroom |
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| 07:21.18 | brlcad | and damn big speakers |
| 07:22.05 | brlcad | though I think I'll need to track on over to the machine room and freeze in there |
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| 09:07.34 | jpa_ | morning |
| 09:13.33 | cods | morning |
| 09:13.37 | jpa_ | ha |
| 09:13.41 | jpa_ | you are up late |
| 09:13.47 | jpa_ | or early |
| 09:14.29 | cods | ready to sleep :) |
| 09:15.12 | jpa_ | you should really try sleeping like normal people :) |
| 09:16.15 | cods | heh, I like to be different from "normal" people :) |
| 09:17.49 | jpa_ | i couldn't sleep 'till 17.. local electronic components reseller is open only 10 to 16 or something like that |
| 09:18.50 | jpa_ | and if you keep going like this, you will be sleeping to like 22:00 on sunday :) |
| 09:19.29 | cods | it's how I finish the cycle usually :) |
| 09:19.47 | jpa_ | :) |
| 09:20.18 | jpa_ | hmm.. could fit for me too :) |
| 09:20.35 | jpa_ | i could always stay a little longer awake and sleep for few hours more :) |
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| 13:14.53 | Grumbler | whoa, night shift there brlcad |
| 13:15.08 | brlcad | of sorts :) |
| 13:15.15 | brlcad | g'mornin |
| 13:15.27 | Grumbler | back at ya |
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| 13:20.47 | javaJake | ibot |
| 13:20.52 | javaJake | ni ibot |
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| 13:20.59 | bz2153 | hi |
| 13:21.12 | javaJake | hi ibot |
| 13:21.26 | bz2153 | quick question : in bzflag 2.0.0, after pausing, I can't get out of the window (I'm using linux) ; it was possible before |
| 13:21.33 | bz2153 | what can I do ? |
| 13:21.53 | javaJake | hmm... dont use Linux, only Windows |
| 13:21.55 | javaJake | sry |
| 13:22.03 | javaJake | but have you tried unpausing? |
| 13:22.07 | javaJake | then quiting |
| 13:22.22 | bz2153 | hmm ? |
| 13:22.30 | javaJake | ibot tell javaJake what he is |
| 13:22.33 | javaJake | hmmm.... |
| 13:22.55 | javaJake | ~seen redsoxfan90 |
| 13:23.04 | ibot | redsoxfan90 <Redsoxfan9@h000c6e3d2914.ne.client2.attbi.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 15h 41m 36s ago, saying: 'hey tim'. |
| 13:23.04 | javaJake | hm.... |
| 13:23.14 | javaJake | :-) |
| 13:24.15 | Chestal | bz2153: hmm, you're right. There is a setting in the input menu which lets you choose whetehr the mouse should be confined or not. But when you play windowed,you might want to have it set to on |
| 13:24.30 | Chestal | bz2153: another option is to press F5 to minimze the window |
| 13:24.44 | javaJake | ~seen bradwark |
| 13:24.45 | ibot | i haven't seen 'bradwark', javaJake |
| 13:24.50 | bz2153 | thanks a lot chestal |
| 13:25.04 | javaJake | how does ibot do that? |
| 13:25.05 | tupone | F4 ? |
| 13:25.05 | _Manu_ | Chestal: do you mean F4? |
| 13:25.11 | Chestal | eh, right F4 |
| 13:25.16 | _Manu_ | F5: shapshot |
| 13:25.21 | _Manu_ | snapshot.. heh |
| 13:25.29 | javaJake | ibot how do you do that? |
| 13:25.30 | ibot | I don't know! |
| 13:25.33 | javaJake | :-) |
| 13:26.21 | javaJake | How does ibot get user info? |
| 13:26.39 | javaJake | ibot how do you do that? |
| 13:26.40 | ibot | ACTION *shrugs* |
| 13:26.57 | javaJake | ibot how do you get user info |
| 13:27.00 | javaJake | ibot how do you get user info? |
| 13:27.05 | javaJake | humph |
| 13:27.25 | javaJake | oh no! |
| 13:27.40 | javaJake | _Manu_ |
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| 14:23.08 | Grumbler | http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1109335744797_52/?hub=Canada gotta wonder if bush can isolate the country anymore...... |
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| 14:40.20 | jpa_ | hi Thumper_ |
| 14:58.28 | Grumbler | hmm, anybody know which ncurses needs to be installed for debian....i have libncurses5-dev but it is not getting identified correctly |
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| 15:09.25 | Thumper_ | hi jpa_ |
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| 15:20.01 | Grumbler | lets see if forcing it works |
| 15:21.01 | jpa_ | use the --force! :) |
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| 15:23.26 | tea|tree_ | =) |
| 15:24.39 | bztank | =) |
| 15:25.37 | bztank | ? |
| 15:26.27 | jpa_ | =) |
| 15:26.38 | bztank | !=) |
| 15:26.39 | guu | bztank: Wuo de ma! |
| 15:26.52 | bztank | erm |
| 15:27.14 | Grumbler | guu is speaking one of those funky gibberish languages again |
| 15:27.15 | guu | No idea, Grumbler. |
| 15:29.28 | bztank | guu are you crazy? |
| 15:29.28 | guu | I have no idea. |
| 15:29.31 | bztank | :) |
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| 15:30.19 | jpa_ | guu guu |
| 15:30.20 | guu | guu is hip and cool, baffuuuuuu |
| 15:30.45 | jpa_ | guu: guu is crazy |
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| 15:35.18 | bztank | is there an improved bzedit in the meantime? supporting bzf 2.0? |
| 15:36.28 | bztank | ok grazie |
| 15:36.29 | bztank | :p |
| 15:38.47 | bztank | :| |
| 15:42.10 | Grumbler | grrr, bzadmin should build without GL headers installed fails with |
| 15:43.33 | Nidhoggr | Grumbler: I've been complaining about that for a year :-: |
| 15:43.36 | Nidhoggr | :-P |
| 15:44.13 | Grumbler | had to force the use of curses which is also a pain.....not sure why it couldnt find it, its in the same place as the curl includes |
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| 15:47.35 | Grumbler | oh well, i am not about to eat HD space for glu ......just have to live without bzadmin |
| 15:50.06 | Nidhoggr | it only needs a few header files. |
| 15:50.11 | Nidhoggr | and they are small. |
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| 16:00.05 | stevek | morning |
| 16:02.18 | Thumper_ | cods: ping |
| 16:03.11 | blast007 | stevek: good morning :) |
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| 16:20.52 | bz6456 | ~bzfquery microman.xs4all.nl:4044 |
| 16:22.25 | bz6456 | ~bzfquery microman.xs4all.nl:4044 |
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| 16:25.00 | zwaan | ~bzfquery microman.xs4all.nl:4044 |
| 16:27.15 | jpa_ | Thumper_: he is going to sleep 'till atleast 19:30 |
| 16:27.26 | jpa_ | morning stevek |
| 16:27.34 | ToughShooter | Hi Sporty |
| 16:27.40 | jpa_ | hi Sporty |
| 16:28.02 | Thumper_ | jpa_: which TZ |
| 16:28.10 | Thumper_ | jpa_: his? yours? mine? |
| 16:28.23 | stevek | morning jpa_ |
| 16:28.23 | jpa_ | Thumper_: oh, that is to mean now + 1 hour |
| 16:28.34 | Thumper_ | jpa_: thx |
| 16:28.56 | stevek | http://www.bytebot.net/blog/archives/2005/02/24/the-last-few-days-in-review |
| 16:29.08 | stevek | quote: Seeing that I?ve started playing bzflag, I?d like that to be imported into Extras?" |
| 16:29.16 | stevek | just something interesting from one of the fedora devs |
| 16:31.41 | ToughShooter | How is it possible that I get via ping at commandline 65ms lag but in /lagstats I show up with over 200ms lag but the player with to best lag has 66ms lag in /lagstats? I think this can't be the servers lag. |
| 16:32.18 | jpa_ | where do you ping to on commandline? |
| 16:32.26 | jpa_ | to the server where you are connecting to? |
| 16:32.34 | ToughShooter | Could it be that UDP is slower than ICMP? |
| 16:32.49 | jpa_ | it might be also your connection lagging, when there is traffic ping rises sharply |
| 16:33.08 | ToughShooter | Let me paste a log...one moment please |
| 16:34.27 | ToughShooter | http://www.pastebin.com/246250 |
| 16:35.55 | jpa_ | is that while you have bzflag on? |
| 16:36.00 | ToughShooter | yes |
| 16:36.16 | stevek | ToughShooter, you have bzflag running in the background and your pinging the serve? |
| 16:36.21 | stevek | server* |
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| 16:36.36 | jpa_ | stevek: you are slow |
| 16:37.09 | stevek | yea i am |
| 16:37.30 | stevek | ~fishslap jpa_ |
| 16:37.32 | ibot | ACTION slaps jpa_ up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 16:37.32 | ToughShooter | I had BZFlag running in the background but I've got this really bad lag before I even started Terminal |
| 16:37.36 | blast007 | not slower, just more detailed ;) |
| 16:37.48 | stevek | ~blast007++ |
| 16:38.24 | jpa_ | ~stevek++ |
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| 16:38.24 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o JeffM2501] by ChanServ |
| 16:38.33 | stevek | heh |
| 16:38.36 | jpa_ | hi jeff |
| 16:38.43 | stevek | morning jeff |
| 16:38.50 | JeffM2501 | hi |
| 16:38.54 | jpa_ | what does 2501 stand for? |
| 16:38.59 | jpa_ | your iq? :) |
| 16:39.23 | JeffM2501 | it's a serial number derived from a year of maufacture of thermoptic camofalge |
| 16:39.24 | Thumper_ | telephone extension number? |
| 16:39.45 | JeffM2501 | whats' the '_' stand for? |
| 16:39.54 | stevek | lol |
| 16:39.58 | jpa_ | it is really small writing |
| 16:40.03 | Thumper_ | in my case it doesn't stand for anything... |
| 16:40.11 | jpa_ | it reads "i hate people who use same nicks as i do" |
| 16:40.15 | Thumper_ | "Thumper" is not a valid IRC nick. - don't know why |
| 16:40.28 | jpa | hey look at me! |
| 16:40.35 | jpa_ | ~jpa-- |
| 16:40.38 | blast007 | lol |
| 16:40.45 | jpa_ | you are confusing me :S |
| 16:40.55 | stevek | lol |
| 16:40.55 | JeffM2501 | so it realy means "my nick was taken" :) |
| 16:40.57 | jpa | hah |
| 16:41.01 | stevek | haha |
| 16:41.07 | jpa | this is still registered to someone else |
| 16:41.33 | ToughShooter | Any hints? I am almost it wasn't the traffic because gamesunited usually hosts much more players and I had nothing running except BZFlag |
| 16:41.33 | jpa_ | i do not like those nick collisions from services |
| 16:42.12 | stevek | hrmm stevek is registerd by someone else too... |
| 16:42.37 | jpa_ | now that is lame |
| 16:42.41 | sgk284_the2nd | heh |
| 16:42.52 | sgk284_ | i wanna be like jpa |
| 16:43.01 | sgk284_ | err jpa_ |
| 16:43.25 | jpa_ | so be like me, be sgk_ |
| 16:43.52 | sgk284_ | ;) |
| 16:43.55 | sgk284_ | ~jpa_++ |
| 16:44.08 | jpa_ | ~sgk_++ |
| 16:44.09 | sgk284_ | err now i have to think of a creative name... |
| 16:44.20 | jpa_ | how about "me" ?:) |
| 16:44.30 | sgk285 | wonderful |
| 16:44.33 | tupone | ToughShooter: you have stock 2.0.0 version? |
| 16:44.34 | jpa_ | :D |
| 16:44.38 | sgk285 | nah that looks wierd |
| 16:45.00 | ToughShooter | ~x en de stock |
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| 16:45.24 | tupone | ToughShooter: where you get that version? |
| 16:45.39 | jpa_ | hi stevewhousesaolandicanseeitverywellk_ |
| 16:45.54 | sgk284 | jpa lol |
| 16:46.15 | sgk284 | thats at home, it auto reconnects when i kick him off |
| 16:46.17 | sgk284 | :/ |
| 16:46.32 | ToughShooter | tupone: I use CVS-build from february 22 |
| 16:46.57 | jpa_ | you should use irssi and have it running from screen :) |
| 16:47.31 | *** part/#bzflag Redsoxfan90 (Redsoxfan9@h000c6e3d2914.ne.client2.attbi.com) |
| 16:47.46 | tupone | I was thinking about a fix we made on lag computation, but it is one of the first things we did on 2.0.0, so that is ok on yours |
| 16:48.16 | tupone | FPS is low? |
| 16:48.34 | ToughShooter | tupone: I don't think that BZFlag is the part which computes the lag, rather bzfs |
| 16:49.03 | ToughShooter | 12 fps |
| 16:49.13 | sgk284 | yikes how can you play? |
| 16:49.20 | jpa_ | does your video card function properly? |
| 16:49.30 | tupone | any 1/12 sec bzflag can do anything, even answering to ping request |
| 16:49.31 | jpa_ | sounds like it is using software rendering |
| 16:49.36 | ToughShooter | sgk284: I've lead many times at secretplace with 8 fps |
| 16:49.48 | jpa_ | then nice bzflag might help |
| 16:49.54 | sgk284 | ever try turning off lighting and shadows and stuff? |
| 16:49.55 | ToughShooter | jpa_: sounds like I compile something in the background |
| 16:50.16 | jpa_ | ? |
| 16:51.12 | ToughShooter | I made a rebuild from CVS while playing |
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| 16:56.14 | ToughShooter | sgk284: I've tried several things..just ask Pimpi |
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| 17:29.02 | Shadow_mil | Hello? |
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| 17:30.13 | bryjen | yes? |
| 17:31.35 | Shadow_mil | what is BZflag? |
| 17:31.52 | blast007 | ~bzflag |
| 17:31.53 | ibot | i heard bzflag is a 3D internet multiplayer multiplatform (linux, irix, win32, etc) opensource opengl Battlezone capture the flag game of the same name that you must try at http://BZFlag.org/ or a continual development project with periodic gaming interuptions. See also TimRiker |
| 18:00.30 | Thumper_ | Windows client: does the 4/5 radar zoom keys work on it? |
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| 18:04.26 | Silver1 | Thumper_, yes. |
| 18:04.35 | Thumper_ | Silver1: hmm not for me |
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| 18:04.43 | Thumper_ | Silver1: is there some magic setting? |
| 18:05.17 | Thumper_ | or maybe my config is confused by older version or something |
| 18:05.23 | Silver1 | nope, works by default for me. |
| 18:05.38 | Silver1 | 2.0 wouldn't even start for me until I deleted the old config files. |
| 18:05.53 | Thumper_ | it did for me |
| 18:05.58 | Thumper_ | so that might be the issue |
| 18:06.09 | Thumper_ | do you remember where the config file lives? |
| 18:07.20 | Silver1 | yes, in a folder in My documents |
| 18:07.27 | Silver1 | called My BZFlag Files I think. |
| 18:07.38 | Silver1 | I just renamed the whole folder to My Bzflag2 |
| 18:08.09 | SportChick | hi guys! I think I spotted a bug |
| 18:08.12 | JeffM2501 | 2.0 tries to update the old config file and make a copy of it, it dosn't allways work out right |
| 18:08.31 | SportChick | if you are watching someone with burrow on radar, and they drop the flag, they disappear off radar for about 1-2 seconds |
| 18:08.53 | Silver1 | SportChick, I've noticed that. |
| 18:08.56 | ToughShooter | I retried connecting to gamesunited with only BZFlag running and had over 32fps but I still got around 150-200ms lag :-/ |
| 18:09.11 | JeffM2501 | like the time they are transitioning from burrow to above ground? |
| 18:09.21 | SportChick | JeffM2501: yes |
| 18:09.30 | JeffM2501 | they are probalby in a wacky state |
| 18:09.31 | SportChick | but maybe even a bit longer, not politive |
| 18:09.36 | JeffM2501 | not burrowed, not full |
| 18:09.39 | SportChick | s/politive/positive |
| 18:10.01 | SportChick | yes, but they disappear completely - as if they have died. Not like they hold one until the other is fully complete |
| 18:10.18 | JeffM2501 | sure, the radar drawing code just skips them |
| 18:10.25 | JeffM2501 | cus they are at an invalid Z |
| 18:10.57 | JeffM2501 | it's probalby cus somone put a == when it should have been a < |
| 18:11.48 | JeffM2501 | ohh I'm sure it's a real bug |
| 18:13.33 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 18:13.52 | Nidhoggr | hrm. gotta see if work will buy me a new copy of os x for my desktop pmac. |
| 18:13.53 | sgk284 | heh |
| 18:13.59 | Nidhoggr | hi sgk284 |
| 18:14.00 | ToughShooter | gamesunited server is also a build of February 22 |
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| 18:14.04 | sgk284 | howdy Nidhoggr |
| 18:14.59 | ToughShooter | Hi Nid |
| 18:15.39 | Nidhoggr | hi ToughShooter |
| 18:15.39 | ToughShooter | Nidhoggr: Mac OS X is much better that the old OS... |
| 18:15.47 | ToughShooter | than |
| 18:15.54 | Nidhoggr | I had os x on it, but we bought the machine used (work was cheap). |
| 18:16.00 | JeffM2501 | hmm don't see anything in the code that should cause that |
| 18:16.04 | Nidhoggr | so the drive died and I need to restore it to a usable state. |
| 18:16.26 | sgk284 | i think i just grabbed the heaviest keyboard ever designed... must be about 4 pounds |
| 18:16.30 | JeffM2501 | it clamps the radar size to a fixed value for anything under Z0 |
| 18:16.32 | JeffM2501 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:16.32 | JeffM2501 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:16.32 | JeffM2501 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:17.01 | ToughShooter | Nidhoggr: Why did the drive died? |
| 18:17.42 | Nidhoggr | it was old and an ibm 60gb |
| 18:17.48 | Nidhoggr | (aka deathstar) |
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| 18:18.18 | ToughShooter | Do you mean these "Seagate" drives? |
| 18:18.37 | Nidhoggr | no.. this is a known bad drive type. |
| 18:18.46 | Nidhoggr | it wa amazing it lasted this long. |
| 18:18.48 | Nidhoggr | was |
| 18:19.31 | ToughShooter | Was the machine running 10.3? |
| 18:19.46 | Thumper_ | hmm deleting the windows config file doesn't fix the 4/5 keys for my radar zoom :/ |
| 18:20.18 | Nidhoggr | yes |
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| 18:22.40 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 18:23.10 | tea|tree_ | hola :) |
| 18:27.00 | ToughShooter | Hmm, after setting UDP to off and reconnecting lag was normal. Changing back to UDP on didn't gave me the high lag back. :O |
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| 18:33.38 | SportChick | JeffM2501: that should cause the bu tank to disappear? or are you addressing something else |
| 18:33.44 | SportChick | Nidhoggr: good moring |
| 18:33.48 | SportChick | s/moring/morning |
| 18:33.59 | JeffM2501 | no that should not make the tank disapear |
| 18:34.16 | JeffM2501 | it should just make it a fixed size untill it reaches 0 |
| 18:34.37 | JeffM2501 | nothing in the code looks to make it disapear |
| 18:34.59 | JeffM2501 | I'd have to dupe it |
| 18:35.16 | Nidhoggr | good morning, SportChick |
| 18:35.17 | Silver1 | JeffM2501, something must make it change, since it goes from a square to a large + on radar. |
| 18:35.36 | JeffM2501 | that's what I'm looking for |
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| 18:40.13 | JeffM2501 | I think I see it |
| 18:40.30 | JeffM2501 | there is some code that can make the size box go negitive |
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| 18:52.56 | JeffM2501 | SportChick, try this, unzip this to your dir, http://myth.gibbscam.com/temp/bzflag.zip |
| 18:53.02 | JeffM2501 | and run it |
| 18:57.52 | SportChick | JeffM2501: you want it in my programs directory (and not /my bzflag right? |
| 19:00.02 | SportChick | it doesn't run |
| 19:00.15 | JeffM2501 | it's a bzflag.exe, replace your existing one with it |
| 19:00.19 | SportChick | I did |
| 19:00.31 | SportChick | when I run it, it starts to open, but then it closes the window and nothing |
| 19:00.43 | JeffM2501 | what version did you put it in? |
| 19:00.45 | SportChick | it initally goes to black screen & tabs, but then nothing |
| 19:00.47 | SportChick | 2.0 |
| 19:00.47 | JeffM2501 | 2.0.0? |
| 19:00.49 | SportChick | yes |
| 19:00.50 | JeffM2501 | or 2.0.1? |
| 19:00.54 | JeffM2501 | put it in the 2.0.1 |
| 19:00.56 | SportChick | 2.0.0 |
| 19:00.59 | SportChick | I don't have 2.0.1 |
| 19:01.03 | JeffM2501 | you should |
| 19:01.09 | SportChick | hrmp |
| 19:01.10 | JeffM2501 | it's the one I made and you said you tried |
| 19:01.23 | SportChick | oh is that bzflag.cvs? |
| 19:01.25 | JeffM2501 | the one you downloaded from my.bzflag.org/builds/2.0.x/ |
| 19:01.39 | JeffM2501 | cvs has the vestion of 2.0.1 right now |
| 19:01.39 | SportChick | hold on, I htink that's the one called cvs |
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| 19:03.24 | Nidhoggr | heh |
| 19:03.27 | ToughShooter | Nidhoggr: What is the lag of bzflag.secretplace.us? |
| 19:03.47 | jpa_ | SportChick: do not worry, we know it already |
| 19:03.48 | Nidhoggr | ToughShooter: that's an ambiguous question. |
| 19:03.53 | Nidhoggr | in reference to what/where? |
| 19:04.17 | ToughShooter | I mean the servers lag itself |
| 19:04.38 | Nidhoggr | it shouldn't have inherent lag. |
| 19:04.47 | sgk284 | ToughShooter, what do you mean by that? internally? |
| 19:04.49 | Nidhoggr | it would be based on where someone is coming from. |
| 19:05.11 | sgk284 | yea, asking what the lag for a server is appears to be an incomplete question :) |
| 19:05.12 | ToughShooter | When you look at http://www.pastebin.com/246307 what would you think my lag at secretplace would have to be? |
| 19:06.04 | sgk284 | that seems right |
| 19:06.07 | ToughShooter | sgk284: yes, for example I always get 27ms lag when I connect to a running bzfs on localhost |
| 19:06.28 | sgk284 | heh really? what OS |
| 19:06.34 | Nidhoggr | that's very slow, then |
| 19:06.39 | ToughShooter | Mac OS X version 10.3.8 |
| 19:06.39 | JeffM2501 | very |
| 19:06.57 | ToughShooter | only 640MB SDRAM |
| 19:07.18 | Nidhoggr | PING localhost (127.0.0.1): 56 data bytes |
| 19:07.18 | Nidhoggr | 64 bytes from 127.0.0.1: icmp_seq=0 ttl=64 time=0.1 ms |
| 19:07.18 | Nidhoggr | 64 bytes from 127.0.0.1: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.0 ms |
| 19:07.18 | Nidhoggr | 64 bytes from 127.0.0.1: icmp_seq=2 ttl=64 time=0.0 ms |
| 19:07.24 | Nidhoggr | that's on secretplace |
| 19:07.26 | Nidhoggr | localhost |
| 19:07.31 | sgk284 | a loopback interface should be much faster |
| 19:07.37 | sgk284 | yea nid's seems right:) |
| 19:07.50 | JeffM2501 | unless his framerate is rather low |
| 19:07.52 | Nidhoggr | my mac is somewhat slower. |
| 19:08.01 | jpa_ | he was talking about 12fps earlier |
| 19:08.07 | ToughShooter | but I question me about the lag to other servers...see the pasted stuff. I get over 250ms lag...where is that difference to secretplace is comming from |
| 19:08.15 | |zongo| | Chestal: could u please allowed |
| 19:08.25 | JeffM2501 | that would add fake lag, on the client side, that would even be there on local games |
| 19:08.29 | ToughShooter | jpa_: That was while compiling, now I get over 30 |
| 19:08.31 | JeffM2501 | the net can't update when it's drawing |
| 19:08.37 | Nidhoggr | ToughShooter: I am unable to run a bzflag client on the server itself, so it'd be impossible to test. |
| 19:08.42 | |zongo| | Chestal: could u pls allow superkill on ducati 59999? |
| 19:08.43 | Birdie | the link for the 'bug fixed 2.0' is in the subject of this channel? |
| 19:08.49 | Nidhoggr | bzadmin doesn't track lag correctly. |
| 19:08.51 | sgk284 | 2 to 3 and 7to 8 seem to be problem areas |
| 19:09.18 | Tupone | ToughShooter: 30 FPS is like an added 20/30 msec lag |
| 19:09.33 | |zongo| | Chestal: if possible, change settings on ducati:59999 so that registration works, thx |
| 19:09.44 | ToughShooter | Nidhoggr: Do you see how "215.737 ms" can transform into 260ms |
| 19:09.59 | ToughShooter | Tupone: Why? |
| 19:10.17 | Tupone | because bzflag show process the ping request |
| 19:10.30 | Tupone | it has not an other thread for that |
| 19:10.37 | Tupone | should wait for end of frame |
| 19:10.47 | JeffM2501 | ToughShooter, the net can only update as fast as the frame rate, the computer can't poll the network when it's drawing, so the lower the frame rate, the longer the data sits waiting for the rest of the game to get it. |
| 19:10.47 | Tupone | 30 FPS is 33 msec more or less |
| 19:10.48 | ToughShooter | So higher fps will lower the time in /lagstats? |
| 19:11.14 | sgk284 | to an extent |
| 19:11.18 | JeffM2501 | higher framerate will make it so that the game dosn't add any more lag |
| 19:11.21 | JeffM2501 | it won't lower real lag |
| 19:11.27 | jpa_ | but 30fps is like 15ms more lag |
| 19:11.31 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 19:11.38 | JeffM2501 | you want to be like 60 fps |
| 19:11.39 | jpa_ | so it is not much |
| 19:11.53 | JeffM2501 | 12 fps could cause a lot of lag |
| 19:11.53 | jpa_ | 30fps is just fine |
| 19:12.10 | JeffM2501 | not in the 100's but still enoguh to be noticeable |
| 19:12.14 | JeffM2501 | even on local host |
| 19:12.41 | ToughShooter | JeffM2501: I can't reach that with my PPC750@800MHZ and my ATI Radeon 7500 mobile |
| 19:13.02 | JeffM2501 | huh? |
| 19:13.07 | sgk284 | toughshooter, did you ever play with bzflag's graphic settings? |
| 19:13.08 | JeffM2501 | then your system has a min lag |
| 19:13.12 | JeffM2501 | that's just the mater of it |
| 19:13.18 | JeffM2501 | get a better computer :) |
| 19:13.24 | JeffM2501 | if you want less added lag |
| 19:13.30 | ToughShooter | sgk284: Yes, nothing really helped |
| 19:13.37 | JeffM2501 | the computer can never add 0 lag, drawing alwways has to take time |
| 19:13.39 | DTRemenak | effective lag is (time per frame) + (network latency). 12 fps will generate 83 ms lag, if you're showing 250 ms lag then you have 170 ms network latency. |
| 19:13.45 | JeffM2501 | multiple threads just help minimse it. |
| 19:13.50 | SportChick | JeffM2501: I tested it. now it shows burrow as a regular tank when burrowed |
| 19:14.12 | sgk284 | JeffM2501, my horribly crappy card handles better then that, i get 30 fps with an i830 on a 2.1 ghz processor with 256 mb ram, he should be doing better then that dont you think? |
| 19:14.27 | Nidhoggr | all my pings from a server on the same network are under .2ms |
| 19:14.34 | jpa_ | DTRemenak: 12fps will add 41ms lag |
| 19:14.42 | DTRemenak | ~1000/12 |
| 19:14.44 | ibot | 83.333333333333 |
| 19:14.44 | sgk284 | jpa, how do you figure? |
| 19:14.46 | jpa_ | DTRemenak: the ping can occur any time when drawing |
| 19:14.58 | jpa_ | so it is the average |
| 19:15.04 | DTRemenak | true enough |
| 19:15.13 | sgk284 | okay, well worst case scenario is 83ms |
| 19:15.41 | jpa_ | like the server would always ping at the start of frame drawing :) |
| 19:16.05 | jpa_ | but.. that is +-41ms jitter, actually |
| 19:16.06 | DTRemenak | jpa_ caught me :) |
| 19:16.18 | DTRemenak | yeah, it's 41 +- 41 |
| 19:16.26 | Tupone | I guess it does synchronize with the client |
| 19:16.54 | Tupone | depends on how many players |
| 19:17.17 | JeffM2501 | sgk284, he's on a mac, dono |
| 19:18.02 | JeffM2501 | he's on a lot slower CPU, and bus |
| 19:18.13 | sgk284 | true :/ |
| 19:18.27 | JeffM2501 | and a lot of time in BZ is spend doing the visibility calcs |
| 19:19.33 | sgk284 | toughshooter, you sure your not rendering through software? 12 fps seems awfully slow |
| 19:19.49 | JeffM2501 | again he's on a mac, the OS comes with drives |
| 19:19.50 | ToughShooter | sgk284: I don't know |
| 19:20.01 | JeffM2501 | you on 10.3.8? |
| 19:20.25 | ToughShooter | Yes |
| 19:20.36 | JeffM2501 | then your using the current apple radeon drivers |
| 19:20.47 | JeffM2501 | my G3 ran fine with a 7000 |
| 19:22.21 | ToughShooter | glxgears give me around 1100.000 FPS |
| 19:22.32 | Tupone | full screen? |
| 19:23.06 | ToughShooter | no, initial size |
| 19:23.31 | Tupone | try to run bzflag the same size :) |
| 19:23.45 | Nidhoggr | my glxgears on my powerbook are 10769 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2153.800 FPS |
| 19:24.46 | ToughShooter | Nidhoggr: An ibook 800 with a g3 isn't a powerbook :| |
| 19:25.48 | Tupone | I got 3400 FPS |
| 19:25.56 | DTRemenak | but I bet you wish it was! |
| 19:27.17 | JeffM2501 | glgears != bzflag |
| 19:27.27 | ToughShooter | Hey, I'm only a poor student |
| 19:27.40 | JeffM2501 | then why are you playing games? :) |
| 19:27.52 | jpa_ | glxgears gives me 200fps |
| 19:27.59 | ToughShooter | JeffM2501: Pimpi said it would scale somehow |
| 19:28.01 | JeffM2501 | that's REALY bad |
| 19:28.04 | jpa_ | and i have like 30-50fps in bzflag |
| 19:28.18 | jpa_ | might be some vsyncin |
| 19:28.19 | JeffM2501 | your geo bound |
| 19:28.25 | ToughShooter | jpa_: glxgears in fullscreen size? |
| 19:28.31 | sgk284 | heh on an off topic note, i was just running test involving 500 billion calculations and wondering why it took so long... i through in a 0 in the wrong place.. it should have only been 3.2 million calculations |
| 19:28.41 | JeffM2501 | there is corlation but it's not 1 to 1 |
| 19:28.42 | sgk284 | ~fishslap sgk284 |
| 19:28.44 | ibot | ACTION slaps sgk284 up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 19:28.50 | JeffM2501 | also gears does less the bzflag does |
| 19:28.51 | jpa_ | ToughShooter: no, in window |
| 19:29.01 | jpa_ | ToughShooter: how can i get it fullscreen? |
| 19:29.06 | JeffM2501 | no multi texture, and stuff like that |
| 19:29.28 | ToughShooter | jpa_: I think KDE has a context menu for this |
| 19:30.10 | jpa_ | true |
| 19:30.15 | bryjen | jpa_: just resize or maximize the window however you normally do |
| 19:30.17 | jpa_ | but it is only windowed large |
| 19:30.24 | jpa_ | gives 25fps |
| 19:30.37 | JeffM2501 | what card? |
| 19:30.41 | jpa_ | tnt2! |
| 19:30.47 | JeffM2501 | yeah no hardware geo |
| 19:31.00 | JeffM2501 | low geo stuff will run better |
| 19:31.05 | jpa_ | complain complain :) |
| 19:31.14 | JeffM2501 | nope |
| 19:31.20 | JeffM2501 | I have hardware geo |
| 19:31.21 | JeffM2501 | I'm fine |
| 19:31.30 | JeffM2501 | 256 megs of it |
| 19:31.31 | jpa_ | you have been complaining since i bought this tnt2 |
| 19:31.42 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 19:31.47 | jpa_ | yes |
| 19:31.54 | JeffM2501 | I've been pointig out that it sucks |
| 19:31.59 | JeffM2501 | that's not complaining |
| 19:32.07 | JeffM2501 | mostly I'm poking fun at it |
| 19:32.11 | JeffM2501 | ridculing it |
| 19:32.15 | JeffM2501 | pointing and laughing |
| 19:32.38 | JeffM2501 | using it as a basis for comparsion to better and faster and cheaper cards :) |
| 19:32.41 | JeffM2501 | but not complaining |
| 19:32.42 | jpa_ | ~lart JeffM2501 |
| 19:32.45 | DTRemenak | ridiculing, yes. constantly. I find it mildly amusing that he is so persistent in ridiculing it at every possibility. :) |
| 19:32.46 | JeffM2501 | it was a good card when it came out |
| 19:33.05 | JeffM2501 | I'd use the word "taunting" |
| 19:33.25 | DTRemenak | heh :) |
| 19:33.45 | JeffM2501 | I just find it funny that people try to play 3d games on such crud cards when cheap hardware geo cards are available |
| 19:34.01 | JeffM2501 | and often complain about low frame rate |
| 19:34.03 | *** join/#bzflag Legolas_ (~Legolas_@ppp-69-233-96-144.dsl.frs2ca.pacbell.net) |
| 19:34.05 | JeffM2501 | crap in crap out |
| 19:34.14 | jpa_ | i do not complain of low framerate |
| 19:34.18 | JeffM2501 | didn't say you did |
| 19:34.23 | JeffM2501 | I said some people do |
| 19:34.30 | jpa_ | i played for few weeks with software rendering |
| 19:34.31 | Legolas_ | hi, i have a question about irc... How can you make someone and admin? |
| 19:34.36 | Legolas_ | is it /set? |
| 19:34.42 | jpa_ | it was faster than voodoo2 anyway :) |
| 19:34.44 | JeffM2501 | Legolas_, IRC is not bzflag |
| 19:34.47 | JeffM2501 | you op them |
| 19:34.51 | JeffM2501 | set there mode to +o |
| 19:34.59 | jpa_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:35.14 | *** part/#bzflag Legolas_ (~Legolas_@ppp-69-233-96-144.dsl.frs2ca.pacbell.net) |
| 19:35.23 | JeffM2501 | scarry |
| 19:35.53 | *** join/#bzflag Legolas_ (~Legolas_@ppp-69-233-96-144.dsl.frs2ca.pacbell.net) |
| 19:36.11 | *** join/#bzflag bz7869 (~d8b37f46@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 19:36.37 | *** part/#bzflag Legolas_ (~Legolas_@ppp-69-233-96-144.dsl.frs2ca.pacbell.net) |
| 19:36.38 | bz7869 | can i ask for help on this channel? |
| 19:36.43 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 19:37.04 | ToughShooter | JeffM2501: Thanks for the explanation |
| 19:38.32 | bz7869 | trying to set a private server, just for my office workers. I have read the instructions from "Creatinga Server", but must be missing something. Do I need to include an IP address. |
| 19:39.38 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 19:39.44 | JeffM2501 | if it's private just set the options |
| 19:39.52 | bryjen | not for a truely private server. no need for -public or -publicaddr |
| 19:39.55 | JeffM2501 | it'll start one on the default port of 5154 |
| 19:39.59 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 19:40.20 | JeffM2501 | then the others in the lan should see it as one of the games |
| 19:40.21 | jpa_ | hmmm.. bzflag server for office workers.. i want to work there :D |
| 19:40.24 | bz7869 | then how does a client (windows) connect to the server (windows)? |
| 19:40.35 | bryjen | don't use -p either |
| 19:40.50 | JeffM2501 | if they search for a server, a server will be listed with your machine's windows share name |
| 19:40.50 | jpa_ | it shows in the list like "192.168.0.123" |
| 19:40.52 | bryjen | by the server's hostname or ip address |
| 19:40.56 | jpa_ | or with some name |
| 19:41.29 | Tupone | if you don't have firewall of some sort |
| 19:41.49 | JeffM2501 | yeah SP2 firewall will probably block it all by default |
| 19:41.56 | bryjen | bz7869: is the server on a windows pc? |
| 19:42.16 | bryjen | duh, sorry, missed that () |
| 19:42.20 | bz7869 | yes its windows 2000, no firewall |
| 19:42.38 | JeffM2501 | did you use -p in your config? |
| 19:42.55 | JeffM2501 | and are your lan players on the same subnet as you? |
| 19:43.08 | jpa_ | you could just type the ipaddress in the connecting dialog and see if it works |
| 19:43.11 | Tupone | use -motd or wahtever us |
| 19:43.29 | JeffM2501 | yeah IP should allways work, and the port will be the default 5154 |
| 19:43.29 | Tupone | :) 2 orrors in a row |
| 19:44.47 | bz7869 | Ok itried without using my conf file and it work, so something must be wrong with my conf file. do I need the passwd line? |
| 19:44.55 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 19:45.02 | JeffM2501 | do you have the -p line in the conf? |
| 19:45.04 | JeffM2501 | or -public |
| 19:45.12 | JeffM2501 | or -publicaddr? |
| 19:45.17 | JeffM2501 | you don't need any of those 3 |
| 19:45.35 | JeffM2501 | those are all for public servers |
| 19:45.44 | JeffM2501 | that will try to register with the global list server |
| 19:45.54 | bryjen | no -q either |
| 19:46.33 | SportChick | ~Thumper_++ |
| 19:46.51 | jpa_ | why did he get ++? |
| 19:46.54 | jpa_ | he is evil |
| 19:46.57 | SportChick | cuz he rocks |
| 19:47.01 | SportChick | he is very very helpful |
| 19:47.03 | jpa_ | and he made me evil too :( |
| 19:47.05 | JeffM2501 | why is he evil? |
| 19:47.15 | SportChick | ~Thumper_++ |
| 19:47.20 | *** join/#bzflag sloucher (~tom@c-24-5-69-4.client.comcast.net) |
| 19:47.24 | DTRemenak | ~SportChick++ |
| 19:47.34 | jpa_ | ~dtremenak++ |
| 19:47.39 | bryjen | pure evil needs no reason ;) |
| 19:47.54 | Birdie | ~sportchick++ |
| 19:48.18 | SportChick | hehe |
| 19:48.26 | ToughShooter | SportChick: Do you know whether admin match will happen? |
| 19:48.30 | SportChick | now, I KNOW what Thumper did, but what did I do? |
| 19:48.34 | SportChick | ToughShooter: no idea |
| 19:48.47 | DTRemenak | SportChick: to use your excuse...because you rock :) |
| 19:48.54 | SportChick | DTRemenak: hehe |
| 19:48.59 | SportChick | ~karma SportChick |
| 19:48.59 | ibot | sportchick has karma of 66 |
| 19:49.03 | SportChick | hehe |
| 19:49.12 | ToughShooter | ~karma ToughShooter |
| 19:49.12 | ibot | toughshooter has karma of 3 |
| 19:49.17 | Tupone | ~SportChick++ |
| 19:49.24 | ToughShooter | It goes better :) |
| 19:50.01 | bz7869 | i don't have -p or -public or -publicaddr. still doesn't work |
| 19:50.17 | Birdie | sportchick is loved-:) |
| 19:50.21 | jpa_ | SportChick: don't worry, we do not love you |
| 19:50.24 | jpa_ | it is just karma |
| 19:50.32 | DTRemenak | we all love SportChick, except for jpa_ |
| 19:50.39 | SportChick | ~karma jpa_ |
| 19:50.39 | ibot | jpa_ has karma of 12 |
| 19:50.46 | bz7869 | I used the BZFS configuration builder so the conf file is very small |
| 19:50.46 | SportChick | ~karma jpa- |
| 19:50.46 | ibot | jpa- has karma of -10 |
| 19:51.01 | Tupone | ~jpa-- |
| 19:51.01 | SportChick | jpa's net karma: +2 |
| 19:51.14 | Tupone | ~jpa--- |
| 19:51.21 | SportChick | ~karma jpa |
| 19:51.21 | ibot | jpa has neutral karma |
| 19:51.28 | sloucher | is there a togle on the radar screen. My radar disappears and I can't figure out how to get it back. |
| 19:51.35 | Tupone | q |
| 19:51.35 | jpa- | sloucher: q |
| 19:51.42 | jpa- | Tupone: slow! :) |
| 19:51.47 | Tupone | :) |
| 19:51.47 | sloucher | q ok thank you |
| 19:52.05 | Tupone | jpa-: I was faster here :) |
| 19:53.01 | Birdie | ~karma birdie |
| 19:53.01 | ibot | birdie has karma of 2 |
| 19:53.10 | bz7869 | did you all give up on me |
| 19:54.20 | bryjen | bz7869: does your config have an -a in it? |
| 19:54.53 | bz7869 | no |
| 19:55.41 | brlcad | ~snowball Birdie |
| 19:55.43 | ibot | ibot launches a snowball tightly compressed with little shards of ice at Birdie |
| 19:55.43 | jpa- | just comment everything and uncomment one by one :) |
| 19:55.57 | jpa- | brlcad: ohh... that is cute :) |
| 19:56.04 | Birdie | i think he likes me |
| 19:56.13 | jpa- | Birdie: he surely does :) |
| 19:57.12 | Birdie | at least brclad has snow to do it:( |
| 19:57.26 | jpa- | i have too |
| 19:57.40 | jpa- | and there are some ice too |
| 19:57.44 | bryjen | someone had a little white cat named snowball. also not a nice thing to throw at someone ;) |
| 19:58.15 | jpa- | bryjen: wasn't it this one tv program.. can't remember the name :) |
| 19:59.23 | menotume | Hey all, who is the bzfs network guru here ? |
| 19:59.34 | bryjen | i'd imagine its a common name for fluffy white pets |
| 19:59.37 | menotume | I have some screencaps of oddball stats behaviour |
| 19:59.53 | SportChick | my fluffy white pet was called 'coco" |
| 20:00.11 | jpa- | SportChick: that is not normal.. are you blind or something? |
| 20:00.20 | SportChick | jpa-: short for coconut |
| 20:00.37 | jpa- | coconuts are not white or fluffy |
| 20:00.53 | SportChick | jpa-: clearly you have never seen the inside of a coconut |
| 20:00.55 | SportChick | it's very white |
| 20:01.04 | SportChick | fluffy, well, maybe not, but definitely white |
| 20:01.58 | jpa- | ~coconut SportChick |
| 20:02.25 | jpa- | ibots lacks some useful commands :) |
| 20:04.14 | *** join/#bzflag Brad2901 (brad2901@ACD5FFFA.ipt.aol.com) |
| 20:04.26 | jpa- | hi Brad2901 <3 |
| 20:04.35 | Brad2901 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:04.37 | menotume | no one want to admit to who does network code (server stats) ? :P |
| 20:07.12 | SportChick | ~coconut jpa- |
| 20:07.20 | retro | is jpa- suggesting ibot should crack open sportchick's head? |
| 20:07.34 | SportChick | retro: that's enough outta you |
| 20:07.37 | SportChick | ~retro-- |
| 20:07.47 | retro | hey! |
| 20:07.51 | jpa- | that is so disgusting thought |
| 20:07.59 | retro | I'm probably down to 1 now. :( |
| 20:08.03 | retro | ~karma |
| 20:08.03 | ibot | retro has karma of 3 |
| 20:08.06 | SportChick | ~jpa-++ |
| 20:08.11 | jpa- | hey! |
| 20:08.16 | DTRemenak | menotume: what are you talking about? |
| 20:08.17 | jpa- | i want negative karma |
| 20:08.20 | jpa- | this is the evil jpa- |
| 20:08.36 | menotume | http://69.136.111.221 <== screenshots |
| 20:08.44 | retro | SportChick, that was fun hunting this morning. |
| 20:08.49 | SportChick | yes it was |
| 20:08.54 | menotume | a player had 1000ms lag, 3 seconds later 74ms lag, with +/ of 4ms |
| 20:09.00 | jpa- | ~karma retro |
| 20:09.00 | ibot | retro has karma of 3 |
| 20:09.05 | menotume | ooops |
| 20:09.06 | jpa- | hmp |
| 20:09.07 | Nidhoggr | that's not good. |
| 20:09.14 | menotume | http://69.136.111.221/bzcaps |
| 20:09.24 | menotume | got 2 screencaps |
| 20:09.38 | DTRemenak | means they had a temporary delay of some sort. minimizing will do it. |
| 20:09.40 | menotume | we played a match where jitter seemed MUCH higher than stats would indicate |
| 20:09.55 | menotume | ya, well what is +/- supposed to be ? |
| 20:10.03 | Brad2901 | ~karma |
| 20:10.03 | ibot | brad2901 has neutral karma |
| 20:10.10 | menotume | he didn't minimize, but whatever the cause ... |
| 20:10.24 | *** join/#bzflag Simon-Richard (~srgrint@srgrint.plus.com) |
| 20:10.34 | jpa- | oh.. stevens.. i do not like him |
| 20:10.59 | DTRemenak | menotume: note the other difference. 1% loss |
| 20:11.04 | retro | sam I am |
| 20:11.05 | menotume | that's anopther subject :) |
| 20:11.07 | *** join/#bzflag setuid (japh@gnu-designs.com) |
| 20:11.17 | setuid | Can anyone help me sort out some weird clipping issues with bzflag? |
| 20:11.23 | DTRemenak | menotume: not really |
| 20:11.41 | DTRemenak | 1. you're at 75 ms lag, +/-5 (let's say) |
| 20:11.56 | DTRemenak | 2. you miss a packet...your lag goes to 3000+ ms |
| 20:12.11 | menotume | if the packet was lost, how could it get a pingtime ? |
| 20:12.23 | menotume | ok, continue ... |
| 20:12.26 | DTRemenak | 3. you return the next packet. your lag is now back to 73 ms, +/- 4, with 1 loss |
| 20:12.41 | DTRemenak | the losses aren't counted in any other statistics |
| 20:12.48 | menotume | no packet numbers in packets ? |
| 20:13.01 | *** part/#bzflag setuid (japh@gnu-designs.com) |
| 20:13.05 | menotume | it doesn't know which is which ? |
| 20:13.09 | retro | what confuses me is that I thought the lagstats list was sorted by lag time, so why is his 1000ms near the top and not the bottom? |
| 20:13.12 | DTRemenak | they are numbered. but if you don't return the latest one, then it keeps counting |
| 20:13.37 | menotume | ok, thx, DTRemenak |
| 20:13.37 | *** join/#bzflag Redsoxfan90 (Redsoxfan9@h000c6e3d2914.ne.client2.attbi.com) |
| 20:13.44 | DTRemenak | so, I return packet 1 in 73 ms, 2 in 70 ms, 3 in 75 ms |
| 20:13.46 | menotume | something aint right, I'll have to look at it |
| 20:13.52 | DTRemenak | I have 73 +/- 3 |
| 20:13.58 | DTRemenak | I fail to return packet 4. |
| 20:14.08 | DTRemenak | before the timeout, it keeps counting that lag |
| 20:14.14 | menotume | ohhh |
| 20:14.16 | menotume | i see |
| 20:14.18 | DTRemenak | so at 100 ms after send, I have 100 ms lag |
| 20:14.27 | menotume | gotya |
| 20:14.29 | DTRemenak | at 500 ms after send, I have 500 ms lag |
| 20:14.32 | DTRemenak | then it times out |
| 20:14.46 | menotume | I wouldright |
| 20:14.50 | menotume | errr, right |
| 20:14.54 | DTRemenak | then it sends packet 4, which I return in 73 ms. back to 73 +/- 3. |
| 20:15.07 | menotume | yes, gotya |
| 20:15.08 | DTRemenak | err, packet 5 |
| 20:15.26 | menotume | maybe it shoouldn't report anyting for packet not yet received |
| 20:15.37 | menotume | nyes, understood DTRemenak. |
| 20:15.38 | DTRemenak | that might be misleading also |
| 20:15.41 | retro | I thought it was a moving average. Sometimes I get temporary delays, and my lag spikes to several hundred, and slowly decays back to my usual 70 ms |
| 20:15.42 | menotume | ya |
| 20:16.00 | DTRemenak | retro: it is an average, but it doesn't take lost packets into account |
| 20:16.14 | DTRemenak | otherwise it would be infinity |
| 20:16.16 | DTRemenak | which would suck |
| 20:16.41 | retro | Ok, but that still doesn't explain why Stevens wasn't sorted to the bottom of the lag list with 1000 ms lag |
| 20:16.42 | menotume | how about bzfi0001.png ? |
| 20:16.49 | menotume | wait, lemme think about it |
| 20:16.53 | DTRemenak | retro: now that's a different question entirely :) |
| 20:17.05 | retro | actually, it's probably related. :) |
| 20:17.10 | DTRemenak | no, probably not |
| 20:17.19 | DTRemenak | my guess is that it thinks that 10 is between 7 and 12 |
| 20:17.26 | menotume | maybe not, maybe it's just not sipposed to inlcude a pending ping |
| 20:17.57 | DTRemenak | look at the way they're lined up |
| 20:18.17 | DTRemenak | the 1 in 1026 and the 1 in 125 are aligned |
| 20:18.34 | menotume | it's different with the second screen cap |
| 20:19.04 | menotume | probably sorting by the last known average, but displaying the 'pending ping' |
| 20:19.05 | DTRemenak | true :) |
| 20:19.10 | Grumbler | whew, back down to two dogs |
| 20:19.12 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 20:19.28 | menotume | no lost packet on that one |
| 20:19.49 | Nidhoggr | Grumbler: a friend of mine volunteers for a dog rescue organization. they have 4 or 5 dogs pretty much all the time. |
| 20:19.49 | DTRemenak | nope, just a spike and decay |
| 20:20.29 | menotume | hmmm, those 3 lagstats were within 7-8 seconds of each other |
| 20:20.42 | Grumbler | Nidhoggr< i did the same for the rescue in NC......got used to it.....but glad I dont anymore |
| 20:21.15 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 20:21.21 | menotume | have fun |
| 20:21.47 | Grumbler | have fun?.....DTR must have one of "those" types of showers |
| 20:22.05 | menotume | one nevere knows |
| 20:22.09 | DTRemenak | hmmm? |
| 20:22.33 | retro | and I lost karma for a stupid coconut joke. Sheesh. |
| 20:22.40 | menotume | nvm, go have a shower, so we can talk about you |
| 20:22.50 | DTRemenak | I read the backlogs anyway :) |
| 20:22.55 | menotume | hehe |
| 20:23.05 | DTRemenak | not to mention that I see everything |
| 20:24.09 | menotume | oh well, time to give the brain a rest |
| 20:24.40 | brlcad | ~snowball her Big_Brother |
| 20:24.41 | ibot | ibot launches a snowball tightly compressed with little shards of ice at her Big_Brother |
| 20:24.51 | menotume | still suffering from an overdoes of vitamin bz |
| 20:25.08 | menotume | ~gender |
| 20:25.10 | ibot | I'm not sure |
| 20:25.17 | menotume | ok then |
| 20:26.35 | Grumbler | arent the ping times suppose to be averaged in some way, with delta sum just to show relevance to the current pings |
| 20:26.57 | menotume | I would think a moving average,yes |
| 20:27.23 | menotume | and if was 621, then 91 w/o a missing packet .... |
| 20:27.32 | menotume | +/- would be largere ? |
| 20:27.54 | brlcad | ~snowball menotume |
| 20:27.56 | ibot | ACTION launches a snowball tightly compressed with little shards of ice at menotume |
| 20:28.00 | brlcad | that's better |
| 20:28.09 | menotume | 621, 91, 86 with a +/- of 1 |
| 20:28.11 | menotume | oh well |
| 20:28.18 | brlcad | menotume: performance? |
| 20:28.29 | menotume | ? |
| 20:28.44 | brlcad | what's your framerate? |
| 20:28.47 | menotume | you want me to sing and dance ? |
| 20:28.52 | menotume | over 300 |
| 20:29.05 | menotume | ahh, actually, 60 now (Vsync) |
| 20:29.12 | brlcad | ahh |
| 20:29.15 | brlcad | so just lag |
| 20:29.20 | menotume | not my lag |
| 20:29.24 | Grumbler | i agree, the lagstats shouldnt go all over the place |
| 20:29.43 | menotume | well, if they do, the +/- should show it |
| 20:29.52 | Grumbler | agreed, that is logical |
| 20:29.54 | menotume | Grumbler: did you see the second screenshot ? |
| 20:30.00 | Grumbler | yes |
| 20:30.08 | menotume | k :) |
| 20:30.16 | menotume | ok, ok, i'll drop it :) |
| 20:30.24 | menotume | untill i get more :P |
| 20:31.18 | Grumbler | there is something wrong, the lagstats shouldnt be that varialbe unless the it is very early after joining and the average is still moving |
| 20:31.20 | orchid | menotume: who played in that match? |
| 20:31.22 | menotume | I should look at the source .. is bzfs using 'threads' ? |
| 20:31.33 | menotume | QDot and I ,,,, root and bamf |
| 20:31.52 | menotume | we started out 2-0 (our favor), and ended 7-2 or so |
| 20:32.00 | orchid | :P of course |
| 20:32.13 | menotume | hehe |
| 20:32.21 | orchid | time release vitimans |
| 20:32.25 | menotume | if threads, i have an explaination :) |
| 20:32.33 | menotume | lol @ orchid |
| 20:32.43 | brlcad | menotume: no threading yet |
| 20:32.53 | menotume | k |
| 20:32.54 | brlcad | but network packets may buffer up |
| 20:32.59 | Grumbler | the game is rigged |
| 20:33.09 | menotume | or SIGIO on received ping reply maybe |
| 20:33.37 | brlcad | so unless the server is halted or inbound/outbound pipe is flooded, the server shouldn't be the cause |
| 20:33.57 | brlcad | more likely/usually it's spikes in the client .. be those network or cpu |
| 20:34.11 | menotume | makes sense |
| 20:34.28 | brlcad | which ends up starving out the network communication rate from time to time in an effectively random manner |
| 20:34.52 | brlcad | why it's only now a problem is a mystery .. probably related to changes in how the computations themselves are recorded/updated |
| 20:35.45 | menotume | okies, thx all |
| 20:36.04 | brlcad | could probably add a loop timer to the client for reporting spikes and variance from the average |
| 20:36.43 | menotume | in the client ? |
| 20:37.15 | menotume | ok, i'm lost now - brain is fried |
| 20:37.55 | jpa- | mmmm... fried brains |
| 20:38.23 | Grumbler | didnt mac do the new computations |
| 20:39.20 | brlcad | they were edited by several folks in 1.11 |
| 20:40.02 | brlcad | doesn't make the computations "wrong" .. it could still be something else causing bad statistics too |
| 20:40.24 | brlcad | like the fonts causing cpu/graphics spikes depending on how much and what kind of chatting is going on |
| 20:44.59 | Grumbler | but shouldnt it be a slow moving average after several minutes of playing? |
| 20:46.11 | Grumbler | ...assuming that menotume has the better computer, i would not expect to see the lagstat number(not delta) jump around like that...... |
| 20:47.20 | menotume | 2 Ghz XP 2800+ |
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| 20:48.16 | menotume | GLXgears runs 2 5500fps at default resolution |
| 20:48.26 | Grumbler | oh yeah thats crap ;) |
| 20:48.30 | menotume | *runs @ 5500* |
| 20:48.35 | menotume | hehe |
| 20:49.14 | Grumbler | i guess the next culprit could be the server |
| 20:49.22 | menotume | Ducati |
| 20:49.39 | Grumbler | well thats crap again, who plays there anymore ;) |
| 20:49.51 | menotume | hehe |
| 20:50.11 | Grumbler | i'm not familar with ducati's setup |
| 20:50.20 | Grumbler | isnt that chestal's baby |
| 20:50.24 | menotume | yes |
| 20:50.49 | Grumbler | i think i remember it being a lowly 500mhz job, but i could be wrong |
| 20:50.59 | menotume | I think you are right |
| 20:51.12 | menotume | unless recently updated |
| 20:52.00 | Grumbler | so maybe brlcads approach is possible........although, i still would expect a smoother transition even with a yugo 500mhz |
| 20:52.02 | menotume | and , running at least 3 server instances |
| 20:52.19 | Grumbler | wonder what the total client count is |
| 20:52.36 | Chestal | 500MHz? I wish :-) |
| 20:52.51 | Grumbler | whoa, he is awake |
| 20:53.17 | menotume | ahhh, there he is |
| 20:53.23 | menotume | 333Mhz ? |
| 20:53.48 | orange | that thing with "WARNING: player already exists at location with id 35" and clients crashing... it requires upgrades at both server and client to stop it? |
| 20:54.10 | orange | or are we sure it isn't someone hacking, sending bad info out causing some clients to crash? |
| 20:54.25 | orange | I can't stay on hepcat overlord more than 10 seconds now... I've been kicked about 10 times in a row with it |
| 20:54.28 | menotume | I got that once, orange |
| 20:54.51 | menotume | oh wait, I was hacking :P |
| 20:55.14 | Chestal | 75MHz |
| 20:55.24 | menotume | yowser ! |
| 20:56.17 | orange | it's enough to make you scream :-) |
| 20:56.38 | Chestal | ~bzflist |
| 20:57.39 | Chestal | hmm, the 2.0 public server eats about 7% CPU righ tnow, that is more than usual I think |
| 20:57.43 | menotume | so ... maybe 16 clients on a 75Mhz |
| 20:58.41 | JeffM2501 | where do you get 16? |
| 20:58.51 | Tupone | orange: a client update will be enough |
| 20:59.11 | menotume | JeffM2501: he's running 3 servers (maybe 4) |
| 20:59.12 | JeffM2501 | if he's at 7% with 9 players right now, that's less then 1% per player |
| 20:59.21 | orange | Tupone: I'm embarassed to note that I was running the original 2.0.0 build instead of the later cvs version I built :-/ |
| 20:59.32 | Tupone | hehe |
| 20:59.45 | JeffM2501 | bzflag is not very CPU intensive, if he dedicated it I'd think he'd get a lot more, run outa bandwith first |
| 20:59.48 | Chestal | what are the ibot commands to query 1.10/2.0 servers now? |
| 21:00.01 | ruskie | ~bzfquery ??? |
| 21:00.04 | JeffM2501 | same as they were before |
| 21:00.08 | JeffM2501 | default is 2.0 |
| 21:00.19 | JeffM2501 | IIRC |
| 21:00.23 | JeffM2501 | or it may be smart |
| 21:00.24 | Chestal | ~bzfquery ducati 59156 |
| 21:00.35 | Chestal | ~bzfquery ducati.bzflag.org 59156 |
| 21:00.39 | Chestal | ~bzfquery ducati.bzflag.org:59156 |
| 21:00.45 | menotume | :) |
| 21:00.53 | Chestal | ~bzfquery ducati.bzflag.org:5156 |
| 21:01.05 | Chestal | seems to be smarter than me :-) |
| 21:01.29 | menotume | lol, use a mirror |
| 21:01.32 | jpa- | brlcad: i have never seen him play |
| 21:01.57 | jpa- | brlcad: you should play sometimes anyway :) |
| 21:02.09 | brlcad | he used to play rather regularly, albeit infrequent the past couple years |
| 21:02.29 | JeffM2501 | work get him? |
| 21:02.30 | Big_Brother | brlcad: I think we ought to take some steps to resolve this situation. |
| 21:02.50 | menotume | he's watching |
| 21:02.58 | Big_Brother | I'm always watching |
| 21:03.05 | brlcad | heh |
| 21:03.06 | Chestal | wee, compiling bz with he of ccache is really fast now |
| 21:03.20 | brlcad | yeah, work other other stuffage |
| 21:03.37 | Chestal | grmpf, 200 CPUs are not enough, I need far more |
| 21:04.25 | menotume | put the 75Mhz ni the loop |
| 21:04.58 | Chestal | great idea :-) |
| 21:08.57 | JeffM2501 | I assume still no word? |
| 21:09.53 | brlcad | yeah :( |
| 21:10.02 | JeffM2501 | suxorz |
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| 21:10.13 | JeffM2501 | I found a new engine :) |
| 21:10.21 | brlcad | heh |
| 21:10.31 | JeffM2501 | even runs on the mac |
| 21:11.27 | JeffM2501 | tho I think there x-code project is still a little flakey |
| 21:12.53 | JeffM2501 | the STL like containers for 3d math are rather nice tho, |
| 21:13.12 | JeffM2501 | specialy the one for a Axis aligned BSP tree |
| 21:14.40 | brlcad | it got a name? |
| 21:14.58 | JeffM2501 | G3d |
| 21:15.07 | JeffM2501 | http://g3d-cpp.sf.net |
| 21:15.12 | JeffM2501 | it dosn't do a scenegraph |
| 21:15.20 | JeffM2501 | but it has the rest of the stuff |
| 21:15.29 | brlcad | openscenegraph? |
| 21:15.31 | JeffM2501 | wondering if I can stick OSG on top of it |
| 21:15.40 | JeffM2501 | that's what I was thinking |
| 21:16.02 | JeffM2501 | this is basicly just a platform wraper around a lot of stuff, with a VERY cool C++ api |
| 21:16.07 | JeffM2501 | heavy use of templates |
| 21:16.10 | brlcad | hmm.. i was just looking at them last weekend |
| 21:16.12 | JeffM2501 | and refrence counted prointers |
| 21:16.29 | JeffM2501 | was it from the article in the C/C++ users journal? |
| 21:16.36 | JeffM2501 | from december? |
| 21:16.44 | brlcad | nah, I just ran across it searching |
| 21:17.07 | brlcad | iirc, I was looking through all the freshmeat projects |
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| 21:19.19 | JeffM2501 | it's a very nice abstraction thing |
| 21:19.26 | JeffM2501 | basicly it's what OGF wanted to be |
| 21:19.29 | JeffM2501 | so I can kill OGF |
| 21:19.45 | JeffM2501 | even has a basic sound and networking system |
| 21:20.22 | JeffM2501 | as soon as I get some time I'm going to see about making some classes for them, for OBJ and quake3 models |
| 21:20.32 | JeffM2501 | and maybe enhance the sound system |
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| 21:21.02 | JeffM2501 | the coolest thing is, there is a wXWindows system for using xWWidgets in the 3d view done by GL, so you can use them for in game interfaces. |
| 21:21.28 | JeffM2501 | if I read it right, I haven't tried it yet |
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| 21:33.38 | Birdie | if i try to install the 2.0.1, i get the error: no fonds found |
| 21:33.44 | Birdie | any an idea how to fix that? |
| 21:33.48 | Birdie | (windows xp) |
| 21:34.30 | Birdie | *installing works but if i try to open bzflag i get the error |
| 21:38.02 | jpa- | Birdie: try -dir <path to data directory> |
| 21:39.22 | Birdie | eh, where do i have to put that? |
| 21:41.27 | Pimpi | Birdie: you can add it if you start bzflag from command line |
| 21:41.35 | Pimpi | or in a shortct |
| 21:41.40 | Pimpi | shortct |
| 21:41.44 | Pimpi | grr |
| 21:41.50 | Pimpi | shortcut |
| 21:42.29 | Pimpi | though i wonder wy it doesn't fnd the fonts |
| 21:42.37 | Birdie | i wonder to |
| 21:42.48 | Grumbler | might want to get that keyboard looked at pimpi |
| 21:43.14 | Birdie | oh and between () there stands: (the -direction map may help) |
| 21:48.01 | Grumbler | anybody else having problems with mouse confine and windows? |
| 21:48.09 | Grumbler | it didnt work for me |
| 22:04.08 | Tupone | Grumbler: SDL? |
| 22:04.36 | Grumbler | its the generic sf.net distro....so no sdl i believe |
| 22:05.30 | Tupone | I did with SDL, so I don't know if someone implemented it on other platform |
| 22:11.10 | Grumbler | hmmm, oh, guess i have to play full screen |
| 22:13.40 | Tupone | How fast is your machine? |
| 22:20.48 | Grumbler | 3.2g |
| 22:23.49 | Tupone | so probably you can run with SDL. |
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| 22:37.05 | Big_Brother | Grumbler: the native windows build does not support confine mouse |
| 22:37.48 | Big_Brother | patches welcome, or use SDL at the expense of some framerate |
| 22:40.20 | JeffM2501 | how does SDL affect frame rate? just the function hits? |
| 22:42.50 | Big_Brother | not sure |
| 22:42.56 | Big_Brother | have to profile it to find out |
| 22:43.03 | Big_Brother | and I still haven't figured out ms' profiler |
| 22:43.05 | JeffM2501 | maybe it allways vsyncs |
| 22:43.25 | Big_Brother | no, I get a drop from 45 to 38 fps |
| 22:43.32 | JeffM2501 | hmm |
| 22:44.11 | JeffM2501 | could be like event handaling is difernet |
| 22:44.14 | JeffM2501 | or sound handaling |
| 22:44.23 | Big_Brother | my current guess is sound |
| 22:44.29 | Big_Brother | but I dunno |
| 22:44.33 | JeffM2501 | since bz does it's own sound, it could be |
| 22:44.43 | JeffM2501 | it may be doing multiple copys |
| 22:45.01 | JeffM2501 | since what it should be doing is leting the hardware/sound API handle the mixing |
| 22:45.04 | Big_Brother | which would hurt even more on this machine. Athlon 1700 running SDRAM |
| 22:45.29 | JeffM2501 | could also be a sample rate conversion |
| 22:45.32 | JeffM2501 | those are NOT fast |
| 22:45.38 | Big_Brother | mm, could be |
| 22:45.42 | JeffM2501 | dono what the internal rate is |
| 22:45.52 | Big_Brother | bz uses 22kHz iirc |
| 22:46.16 | JeffM2501 | if the sound system is inited to like 44 it could be slower |
| 22:46.20 | JeffM2501 | or tehre are 2 forms of 22 |
| 22:46.37 | JeffM2501 | 22.1 or .3 IIRC |
| 22:46.47 | Big_Brother | the bzflag wavs are 22.50 |
| 22:47.10 | JeffM2501 | wonder what it inits the SLD sound main buffer to |
| 22:47.19 | JeffM2501 | and what it's internal buffers are set to |
| 22:51.45 | Big_Brother | the rate requested of SDL is correct |
| 22:52.32 | JeffM2501 | maybe IT's doing a conversion :) |
| 22:52.40 | Big_Brother | heh |
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| 23:01.40 | rabbit25 | hi |
| 23:01.43 | Brad2901 | hi |
| 23:03.00 | jpa- | hi Brad2901 |
| 23:03.15 | Brad2901 | hi jpa- |
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| 23:03.30 | Brad2901 | why '-' and not '_'? |
| 23:03.37 | jpa- | - is the evil one |
| 23:03.49 | jpa_ | this is the more nice one :) |
| 23:03.58 | Brad2901 | :) |
| 23:04.17 | zwaan | ~bzfquery 213.84.232.153:4044 |
| 23:04.37 | Brad2901 | ~bzflist |
| 23:04.50 | rabbit25 | cool! |
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| 23:10.44 | tea|tree_ | nite |
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| 23:35.27 | blast007 | zwaan: your port 4044 appears to be closed, so you'll need to open it before the server will work |
| 23:37.33 | zwaan | well do you now something about iptables? |
| 23:37.39 | blast007 | nope |
| 23:38.13 | zwaan | thats the problem! |
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| 23:49.05 | zwaan | ~bzfquery 213.84.232.153:4044 |
| 23:50.59 | blast007 | doesn't say 'closed' now, just 'filtered'....but still not 'open' |
| 23:51.14 | blast007 | zwaan: hmm, this might be helpful: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?threadid=201742 or http://freshmeat.net/projects/quicktables |
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| 23:53.09 | blast007 | I personally have never used iptables (I'm more of a Windows guy) |
| 23:53.19 | Noodle-sensei | iptables > you |
| 23:53.25 | blast007 | :) |
| 23:55.49 | zwaan | checkd the links, but tryid it all. The problem is , from linux server to winXP |
| 23:57.35 | blast007 | so what is the exact scenerio? the linux box is connecting to the internet through the WinXP machine? |
| 23:59.02 | zwaan | No, linux to internet can reache my webserver on linux but nothing deeper. |