| 00:00.46 | shorty114 | i figured out i can hook my speakers to my ipod :D |
| 00:00.48 | shorty114 | this rocks |
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| 00:03.41 | brlcad | Tupone, actually there were all-black failures too |
| 00:04.04 | Legoguy | JeffM2501, trepan; I think i figured out my normal problem. trying it right now, but i read some docs about 3ds max and figured out that i needed to add an "edit normals" modifier and make all of them "explicit" |
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| 00:09.20 | shorty114 | hi amathis |
| 00:18.46 | shorty114 | hahahaha |
| 00:19.03 | Legoguy | JeffM2501: ok, so now it's giving me a whole bunch of invalid triplet specification complaints and creates a file with nothing but 9000 some blank face blocks ;) |
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| 00:23.17 | sussudio | ~roger rabbit |
| 00:23.19 | ibot | Bend over, rabbit and take it like a man! |
| 00:23.34 | blast007 | o.O |
| 00:25.09 | sussudio | aww look at the fluffy bunnies... |
| 00:25.16 | sussudio | now look at the kestrel... |
| 00:25.24 | sussudio | O_o |
| 00:25.36 | sussudio | bunnyfur flies |
| 00:26.06 | blast007 | hehe |
| 00:26.23 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (ServerStartMenu.cxx bzflag.cxx): |
| 00:26.23 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: argv[0] ought to be the full executable path, not just the directory the executable is in. this fixes the server start menu and the usage message. |
| 00:26.23 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: add a bit of debuggering to serverstartmenu |
| 00:26.46 | DTRemenak | hrmph |
| 00:26.57 | trepan | Legoguy: do you have full triplets? ex: f 1/2/3 as opposed to f 1//2 or 1/2// |
| 00:27.12 | Legoguy | checking |
| 00:27.25 | trepan | modeltool does not yet support partial triplets |
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| 00:28.48 | Legoguy | example line: |
| 00:28.50 | Legoguy | f 338/969 329/992 332/993 |
| 00:29.08 | trepan | ya, not triplets |
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| 00:29.28 | trepan | either normal or texcoord indices are missing |
| 00:29.31 | Legoguy | poohey, well i imported it into blender and exported it from there again, and it worked |
| 00:29.34 | Legoguy | well |
| 00:29.42 | Legoguy | can't say it worked yet |
| 00:29.52 | Legoguy | at least it put something useful in the bzw file ;) |
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| 00:30.49 | blast007 | ... |
| 00:32.18 | shorty114 | lo |
| 00:32.20 | shorty114 | l |
| 00:32.28 | blast007 | 43a41b63 == 67.164.27.99 :) |
| 00:33.01 | shorty114 | lol |
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| 00:34.57 | shorty114 | wtf |
| 00:35.40 | Noodle-sensei | OMG LOL WTF |
| 00:37.09 | shorty114 | lol |
| 00:38.58 | scanline | hah |
| 00:39.15 | lan56 | I need an aol->english translator :) |
| 00:39.44 | shorty114 | lol |
| 00:40.18 | shorty114 | wb, JeffM2501 |
| 00:40.23 | JeffM2501 | umm thanks |
| 00:42.28 | Noodle-sensei | IT"Z TEH JEF!!!!111111one |
| 00:42.33 | Noodle-sensei | LOL |
| 00:42.44 | blast007 | hehe |
| 00:43.07 | JeffM2501 | ohh good lord |
| 00:43.14 | shorty114 | lol |
| 00:43.17 | Noodle-sensei | i love it when he says that |
| 00:43.18 | Noodle-sensei | :-) |
| 00:43.22 | shorty114 | rofl |
| 00:43.38 | JeffM2501 | somehow I doubt your actualy out of your chair shorty114 |
| 00:44.28 | shorty114 | JeffM2501: not really.... |
| 00:44.32 | shorty114 | lmao |
| 00:44.36 | shorty114 | happy? ;) |
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| 00:44.43 | Legolas | hi |
| 00:44.43 | JeffM2501 | and your ass is right where it was |
| 00:44.53 | shorty114 | lol |
| 00:45.06 | Legolas | hey jeff do you know how to make an escolater? |
| 00:45.25 | blast007 | ~spell escolater |
| 00:45.26 | ibot | possible spellings for escolater: escalate escalator osculate escalated escalates isolate scolder desolater escalators exalter isolator escorted |
| 00:45.34 | JeffM2501 | by that do you mean an object with a physcis driver that pushes the tank in one vector? |
| 00:46.20 | JeffM2501 | or do you mean something where the steps "move"? |
| 00:47.47 | blast007 | http://www.kapsi.fi/~jpa/stuff/bzw/physics.php |
| 00:47.55 | blast007 | look down at "Escalators" |
| 00:48.15 | JeffM2501 | no no, they don't teach that in high school, it's too complext for them |
| 00:48.24 | blast007 | :) |
| 00:48.40 | JeffM2501 | you can't asume they have advanced degrees in math and computer science, and then not even make a prefab |
| 00:52.31 | Noodle-sensei | well, one could assume that, but then everybody would look at them funny |
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| 00:53.35 | KurtA370 | ola |
| 00:54.42 | creeperz | we need to stop chain letters at the source |
| 00:54.47 | creeperz | hotmail.com |
| 00:54.58 | blast007 | creeperz: hehe |
| 00:54.59 | KR | so do I understand this "global registration" thing right? my game name/passwd and my bzbb forum name/passwd are supposed to be the same? |
| 00:55.04 | Noodle-sensei | let's DDOS hotmail |
| 00:55.12 | KR | lol do it :) |
| 00:55.12 | blast007 | KR: yup, that's right |
| 00:55.22 | trepan | jpa_: no-jump zones might also be a worthy addition to your physics driver list |
| 00:55.28 | KR | OK - one problem, though - my name is 2 digits |
| 00:55.31 | Noodle-sensei | one can't just wake up one morning and decide to DDOS something |
| 00:55.47 | KR | Noodle, sure one can ;) |
| 00:55.52 | blast007 | KR: hmm, think there's a minimum of 3 chars for playing the game |
| 00:55.55 | creeperz | wow |
| 00:55.58 | creeperz | this one is funny |
| 00:55.59 | Noodle-sensei | one has to have access to a large network of drones or have a huge pipe |
| 00:56.02 | blast007 | which is stupid, IMHO |
| 00:56.02 | creeperz | its about chain letters |
| 00:56.08 | KR | setting up the network of zombie boxen may take a little longer than that tho :) |
| 00:56.45 | creeperz | and stupid people forwarding them because if they dont chain letter leprauchans will write "I'm a loser" on your forehead with permanent marker :-/ |
| 00:57.02 | KR | yeah the game now has a 3 char requirement, so do I have to make a new Forum name, or does a Forum Admin change my Forum Name to reflect my in-game name? |
| 00:57.17 | blast007 | I think you can change your name |
| 00:57.22 | KR | (this is so confusing) :D |
| 00:57.28 | JeffM2501 | you can change your name on BZBB if you wish |
| 00:57.28 | blast007 | or maybe you need an admin to do so...not sure |
| 00:57.30 | blast007 | k |
| 00:57.32 | JeffM2501 | or just make 3 accounts |
| 00:57.40 | JeffM2501 | it all depends on how you want it all to work |
| 00:57.42 | KR | all I wanna do is kill tanks and capture flags |
| 00:57.45 | KR | lol |
| 00:57.48 | blast007 | :) |
| 00:57.50 | JeffM2501 | then just play :) |
| 00:58.05 | JeffM2501 | do you play on a server that requires global reg? |
| 00:58.10 | KR | hmm, OK will look into bzbb name change I reckon |
| 00:58.25 | KR | no, not required, but to admin at duc I have to reg |
| 00:58.49 | KR | and at quols, if a quols 2.0 server come sup |
| 00:58.50 | JeffM2501 | do you want to admin from all your aliases? |
| 00:58.57 | JeffM2501 | just just your main? |
| 00:59.00 | KR | lol all 1 of them? :) |
| 00:59.08 | JeffM2501 | if you only have 1 |
| 00:59.11 | JeffM2501 | then no problem |
| 00:59.30 | KR | me either blast I thought that was getting chucked out |
| 00:59.34 | JeffM2501 | just tell quol and chestal your bzbb name, and they will add you to the admin groups fror there servers, and you'll be done |
| 00:59.48 | KR | so Jeff u think that the bzbb name change will do the trick? |
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| 00:59.57 | KR | OK gothcah |
| 01:00.00 | KR | blarg |
| 01:00.02 | KR | gotcha |
| 01:00.03 | JeffM2501 | kr what is your bzbb name? |
| 01:00.05 | JeffM2501 | just KR? |
| 01:00.07 | KR | KR |
| 01:00.10 | KR | lol |
| 01:00.11 | JeffM2501 | yeah change it |
| 01:00.12 | KR | yep |
| 01:00.14 | JeffM2501 | make it longer |
| 01:00.17 | JeffM2501 | pick a real name :) |
| 01:00.26 | JeffM2501 | like SplatMastaG |
| 01:00.33 | KR | thast been my bzidenty for 2+ years |
| 01:00.35 | JeffM2501 | or Lary |
| 01:00.41 | JeffM2501 | times chante |
| 01:00.45 | JeffM2501 | evolve or die :) |
| 01:00.49 | KR | LOL |
| 01:01.01 | KR | er, croaks |
| 01:01.08 | JeffM2501 | even _KR_ works |
| 01:01.21 | KR | been playing 2.0 servers as KR* |
| 01:01.30 | JeffM2501 | please don't use * |
| 01:01.32 | JeffM2501 | it's special |
| 01:01.40 | KR | seriously? |
| 01:01.43 | JeffM2501 | bzbb should not allow !@#$%^&*() |
| 01:01.44 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 01:01.54 | blast007 | my opinion, if you want to enforce the 3-char limit, bzbb should be modified to force it |
| 01:02.04 | JeffM2501 | blast007 I think so as well |
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| 01:02.14 | JeffM2501 | but the architech of that didn't want to do the work |
| 01:02.17 | KR | I feel like bzflag goty taken over by US Government with all these new regs and policies :D:D:D |
| 01:02.29 | JeffM2501 | KR, you don't HAVE to global reg |
| 01:02.36 | JeffM2501 | some servers still local reg |
| 01:02.43 | JeffM2501 | and some don't reg at all |
| 01:02.54 | KR | I've been playing with KR* for a few days, noticed nothing different - should I have? |
| 01:02.57 | JeffM2501 | it's just an optional service that many server owners chose to use |
| 01:03.05 | KR | yeah I think Ches is using it |
| 01:03.08 | JeffM2501 | no, it's bzbb that will have issues with the * |
| 01:03.13 | JeffM2501 | not the game |
| 01:03.14 | KR | ahh ok |
| 01:03.29 | bzflag-no-fonts- | what fonts need for playing bzflag? |
| 01:03.32 | JeffM2501 | some characters are special when used in URL |
| 01:03.41 | JeffM2501 | bzflag-no-fonts-, it comes with it's own fonts |
| 01:03.43 | blast007 | bzflag-no-fonts-: they are included with the game... |
| 01:03.51 | JeffM2501 | bzflag-no-fonts-, make sure your using the correct data dir |
| 01:04.04 | JeffM2501 | read the error you get when it says no fonts found, and do it |
| 01:04.17 | JeffM2501 | your on linux or mac? |
| 01:04.31 | bzflag-no-fonts- | i'm in linux |
| 01:04.44 | JeffM2501 | you still have your old 1.10.x version installed? |
| 01:05.01 | bzflag-no-fonts- | what program version? |
| 01:05.15 | JeffM2501 | how many bzflag clients do you have? |
| 01:05.24 | JeffM2501 | do you have 1.10 and 2.0 ? |
| 01:05.28 | JeffM2501 | installed at the same time? |
| 01:05.30 | bzflag-no-fonts- | 2.0 |
| 01:05.38 | bzflag-no-fonts- | only 2.0 |
| 01:05.40 | JeffM2501 | then it can't find the data dir |
| 01:05.49 | bzflag-no-fonts- | wait please |
| 01:05.57 | JeffM2501 | run it with -d /where/ever/your/data/dir/is/ |
| 01:06.23 | JeffM2501 | then that will set it in the config |
| 01:06.27 | bzflag-no-fonts- | i have bin, man, share directory |
| 01:06.47 | JeffM2501 | you should have a data dir in one of those |
| 01:06.49 | JeffM2501 | probably share |
| 01:06.54 | JeffM2501 | that data dir has a fonts dir |
| 01:06.58 | JeffM2501 | right? |
| 01:07.04 | bzflag-no-fonts- | wait please |
| 01:07.22 | JeffM2501 | take your time :) |
| 01:07.49 | bzflag-no-fonts- | share dir have png, and wav files |
| 01:08.05 | bzflag-no-fonts- | i find it |
| 01:08.16 | bzflag-no-fonts- | i can see fonts dir in share dir |
| 01:08.23 | JeffM2501 | ok then when you run bzflag from the command line put -d /where/that/dir/is |
| 01:08.23 | KR | no luck on the global thing, changed usernm at bzbb, tried logging, no luck |
| 01:08.28 | *** join/#bzflag buffaloe (~18d66489@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 01:08.34 | JeffM2501 | KR, what did you chagne your name to? |
| 01:08.36 | bzflag-no-fonts- | thanks |
| 01:08.39 | KR | KR_ |
| 01:08.51 | bzflag-no-fonts- | you are kind man jeffM250 |
| 01:08.54 | JeffM2501 | and what happens when you try to use it in game? |
| 01:09.04 | JeffM2501 | bzflag-no-fonts-, depends who you ask :) |
| 01:09.07 | shorty114 | lol |
| 01:09.12 | KR | first, it said that name wasn't /registered |
| 01:09.15 | KR | so I did that |
| 01:09.15 | buffaloe | can anybody tell me how to check a server |
| 01:09.23 | JeffM2501 | KR, what server? |
| 01:09.24 | bzflag-no-fonts- | wait plz JeffM250 |
| 01:09.27 | KR | then I tried bzbb passwd, no luck |
| 01:09.33 | JeffM2501 | with global reg you don't ever /register |
| 01:09.35 | KR | then I tried old asswd, no luck |
| 01:09.37 | JeffM2501 | ever ever ever |
| 01:09.46 | buffaloe | bzflag.buffaloebutt.com |
| 01:09.50 | JeffM2501 | did you put your password in the password field in the game |
| 01:09.56 | KR | hmm server sent that message |
| 01:10.07 | buffaloe | ibot ~ something or other |
| 01:10.09 | KR | the same message as it use to |
| 01:10.10 | JeffM2501 | KR is the server your on doing global reg |
| 01:10.21 | KR | ducati, yes |
| 01:10.38 | KR | Jeff - don't worry, no big deal, ' |
| 01:10.42 | Thumper_ | ~bzflist |
| 01:10.45 | JeffM2501 | KR, then you may have a local only account on that system, have chestal kill it |
| 01:10.47 | KR | I just won't be an admin there |
| 01:10.52 | JeffM2501 | and then relog with global |
| 01:11.00 | bzflag-no-fonts- | i saw opening window. Jeff |
| 01:11.06 | buffaloe | ibot ~bsflist bzflag.buffaloebutt.com:5154 |
| 01:11.08 | JeffM2501 | umm ok |
| 01:11.10 | KR | OK will take it up with him |
| 01:11.16 | buffaloe | thaks Thumper |
| 01:11.26 | KR | dont want to waste y'alls time with it |
| 01:11.33 | JeffM2501 | buffaloe, it's not that for a single server, it's bzfquery, and don it in a /msg please |
| 01:11.36 | shorty114 | ~bzquerey bzflag.buffaloebutt.com:5154 |
| 01:11.46 | shorty114 | ~bzfquerey bzflag.buffaloebutt.com:5154 |
| 01:11.52 | shorty114 | eeek |
| 01:11.54 | shorty114 | bad typing day |
| 01:11.58 | buffaloe | oh thanks |
| 01:12.05 | JeffM2501 | KR, just memo chestal to check it out, I bet your accounts are set to local only since you /reged them |
| 01:12.16 | KR | gotcha |
| 01:12.27 | bzflag-no-fonts- | but tell me the way to swith other program from bzflag? |
| 01:12.38 | shorty114 | buffaloe: anyway, it's ~bzfquery |
| 01:12.38 | JeffM2501 | depends on your window manager |
| 01:12.48 | bzflag-no-fonts- | i have KDE |
| 01:12.55 | JeffM2501 | then what ever kde does |
| 01:12.58 | bzflag-no-fonts- | alt TAB? |
| 01:13.07 | JeffM2501 | that would be a windows thing |
| 01:13.15 | buffaloe | bzfquery bzflag.buffaloebutt.com:5154 |
| 01:13.15 | JeffM2501 | we don't controll the window manager for focus |
| 01:13.28 | buffaloe | ~ bzfquery bzflag.buffaloebutt.com:5154 |
| 01:13.51 | JeffM2501 | old server |
| 01:13.54 | JeffM2501 | burn it |
| 01:13.58 | Thumper_ | :) |
| 01:14.03 | shorty114 | aaah 1910 |
| 01:14.06 | shorty114 | i've been infected |
| 01:14.08 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/ChangeLog: fixed server start menu |
| 01:14.08 | bzflag-no-fonts- | what mean controlling the window manager? |
| 01:14.10 | JeffM2501 | burn it!!! |
| 01:14.23 | buffaloe | ~bzfquery bzflag.buffaloebutt.com:5154 |
| 01:14.30 | JeffM2501 | bzflag-no-fonts-, we don't tell the window manager to "swap" |
| 01:14.34 | JeffM2501 | the window manager does |
| 01:14.48 | JeffM2501 | so how ever you do it in KDE |
| 01:14.52 | JeffM2501 | just keep doing it |
| 01:15.02 | JeffM2501 | I dont know KDE so I can't tell you |
| 01:15.04 | bzflag-no-fonts- | umm.... : ) |
| 01:15.10 | JeffM2501 | alt + tab is a windows thing |
| 01:15.16 | JeffM2501 | dono if other systems use it too |
| 01:15.52 | purple_cow | a number of window managers do it |
| 01:15.53 | bzflag-no-fonts- | bzflag have alt tab? |
| 01:16.01 | JeffM2501 | no, it's NOT a bzflag thing |
| 01:16.06 | JeffM2501 | it's a KDE thing |
| 01:16.15 | buffaloe | Jeff... how do i do it in a /msg |
| 01:16.20 | bzflag-no-fonts- | ok...... |
| 01:16.31 | JeffM2501 | buffaloe, type /msg ibot what ever |
| 01:17.13 | StealthLikeNinja | maybe this will help and I won't need that gun |
| 01:19.00 | bzflag-no-fonts- | bzflag is a full screen mode game? |
| 01:19.11 | StealthLikeNinja | by default yes |
| 01:19.17 | bzflag-no-fonts- | um.. |
| 01:19.23 | StealthLikeNinja | run with -window -geometry 800x600 |
| 01:19.31 | StealthLikeNinja | then it'll run in an 800 by 600 window |
| 01:19.34 | bzflag-no-fonts- | thanks |
| 01:19.44 | StealthLikeNinja | maybe you should read the man page for bzflag |
| 01:19.48 | StealthLikeNinja | it has many options |
| 01:21.09 | bzflag-no-fonts- | ok thanks |
| 01:22.35 | bzflag-no-fonts- | StealthLikeNinja, developor of bzflag? |
| 01:22.44 | StealthLikeNinja | not anymore |
| 01:25.20 | StealthLikeNinja | I'd be developing something if brlcad coudl find the freaking source for it :) |
| 01:28.56 | bzflag-no-fonts- | StealthLikeNinja , too slow game , it :) |
| 01:29.11 | StealthLikeNinja | huh? |
| 01:29.41 | bzflag-no-fonts- | i have terrible sound card. |
| 01:29.50 | bzflag-no-fonts- | it make game slow? |
| 01:29.57 | StealthLikeNinja | shoudln't |
| 01:30.05 | StealthLikeNinja | what is your video card? |
| 01:30.19 | bzflag-no-fonts- | gforce fx 5600 |
| 01:30.28 | *** join/#bzflag wizart (~wizart@dsl-084-058-005-021.arcor-ip.net) |
| 01:30.31 | StealthLikeNinja | what drivers? nv or nvidia ? |
| 01:30.42 | bzflag-no-fonts- | nv |
| 01:30.47 | StealthLikeNinja | that's why your slow |
| 01:30.50 | bzflag-no-fonts- | xorg.conf say nv |
| 01:30.52 | StealthLikeNinja | upgrade to the ones from nvidia |
| 01:30.59 | StealthLikeNinja | xorg lies |
| 01:31.07 | StealthLikeNinja | the default nv ones don't use the card |
| 01:31.11 | StealthLikeNinja | it's all software rendering |
| 01:31.16 | StealthLikeNinja | you want nvidia |
| 01:31.24 | StealthLikeNinja | they are made by the people who made your card |
| 01:31.31 | bzflag-no-fonts- | oh, thanks good inof |
| 01:31.31 | StealthLikeNinja | they work fine in xorg |
| 01:32.14 | shorty114 | wow long nicks |
| 01:33.12 | bzflag-no-fonts- | nvidia is full name of driver? or some other thing to be added? |
| 01:33.28 | StealthLikeNinja | the driver name in your config would be nvidia |
| 01:33.32 | StealthLikeNinja | but you have to install them |
| 01:33.36 | StealthLikeNinja | what distro you using? |
| 01:34.02 | bzflag-no-fonts- | sorry, but what is distro? |
| 01:34.13 | StealthLikeNinja | distrobution |
| 01:34.21 | StealthLikeNinja | what version of linux |
| 01:34.23 | StealthLikeNinja | debian |
| 01:34.24 | StealthLikeNinja | redhat |
| 01:34.29 | StealthLikeNinja | gentoo |
| 01:34.31 | StealthLikeNinja | that kinda thing |
| 01:34.35 | bzflag-no-fonts- | red hat based haansoftlinux :( |
| 01:35.03 | StealthLikeNinja | check your pacakage manager, they may have a nvidia driver package |
| 01:35.05 | StealthLikeNinja | if not |
| 01:35.11 | StealthLikeNinja | get it from www.nvidia.com and install it |
| 01:35.18 | bzflag-no-fonts- | um ok... |
| 01:35.50 | StealthLikeNinja | how many frames per second are you geting now? |
| 01:36.01 | bzflag-no-fonts- | i have to say that my mother language is not English.. |
| 01:36.10 | StealthLikeNinja | I can tell |
| 01:36.22 | bzflag-no-fonts- | wait plz |
| 01:38.42 | sgk284 | ~DTRemenak++ |
| 01:38.47 | sgk284 | what was wrong with the menu? |
| 01:40.19 | DTRemenak | heh. nothing was wrong with the menu, but JeffM2501 had screwed up the commandline parsing so that argv[0] wasn't the full executable path, which is what the menu wanted to find the server with. |
| 01:40.21 | bzflag-no-fonts- | i can't find info about frames per sec, but i think it, one frame per one second.. :) |
| 01:40.54 | StealthLikeNinja | yea get real drivers |
| 01:40.56 | StealthLikeNinja | use your hardware |
| 01:41.03 | bzflag-no-fonts- | ok |
| 01:41.23 | bzflag-no-fonts- | :) |
| 01:41.30 | sgk284 | ahh okay |
| 01:41.48 | bzflag-no-fonts- | Ninja ! are you programmer? |
| 01:41.49 | StealthLikeNinja | I did what DTRemenak? |
| 01:41.51 | DTRemenak | ~whaleslap StealthLikeNinja |
| 01:41.53 | ibot | ACTION slaps StealthLikeNinja upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
| 01:42.03 | StealthLikeNinja | or how bout just telling me what I did |
| 01:42.17 | DTRemenak | made argv[0] just the directory path instead of the full executable path |
| 01:42.24 | StealthLikeNinja | when did I do that? |
| 01:42.32 | DTRemenak | mmm...July? |
| 01:42.38 | StealthLikeNinja | yay for testing |
| 01:42.42 | DTRemenak | yup :) |
| 01:42.58 | StealthLikeNinja | for what the command line parser? or the server launcher |
| 01:43.05 | DTRemenak | commandline parser |
| 01:43.23 | DTRemenak | the simplification was good, but it returned different results than the old code, which is bad |
| 01:43.34 | StealthLikeNinja | was this when I converted over the old wacky dir finding thing to the call to getapplication dir or somethig? |
| 01:43.37 | DTRemenak | yeah |
| 01:43.40 | StealthLikeNinja | ahh |
| 01:43.44 | StealthLikeNinja | yay for testing |
| 01:43.50 | DTRemenak | it cracked me up that you explicity chopped the executable name off the directory :) |
| 01:44.04 | StealthLikeNinja | wasn't the old comment like "get the dir" |
| 01:44.11 | StealthLikeNinja | I thought that's all it was doing |
| 01:44.19 | StealthLikeNinja | didn't realise that it was to be used without it |
| 01:44.21 | DTRemenak | yeah, the comment wasn't clear... "Get path to executable" or something |
| 01:44.31 | StealthLikeNinja | I just didnt' see the use |
| 01:44.37 | StealthLikeNinja | dono why we need it anyway |
| 01:44.42 | StealthLikeNinja | who cares what it's named |
| 01:44.54 | DTRemenak | usage() does |
| 01:45.02 | DTRemenak | so does the server start menu |
| 01:45.13 | StealthLikeNinja | 2 words "DIALOG BOX" |
| 01:45.22 | StealthLikeNinja | and the start server realy only needs the dir |
| 01:45.26 | StealthLikeNinja | not the bzflag game exe name |
| 01:45.46 | StealthLikeNinja | windows users shouldn't have to do command line options |
| 01:45.53 | DTRemenak | yeah, but argv[0] on every other platform in the world (including windows' real parser) includes it |
| 01:45.56 | StealthLikeNinja | it's no way to get XP certified :) |
| 01:46.08 | StealthLikeNinja | screw eveyrone else |
| 01:46.13 | StealthLikeNinja | I don't see them here |
| 01:46.25 | DTRemenak | we're trying to cut down on platform-specific code, not inflate it :) |
| 01:46.31 | StealthLikeNinja | yeah I know |
| 01:46.39 | StealthLikeNinja | tho maybe platform should handle main |
| 01:46.42 | StealthLikeNinja | and usage |
| 01:46.48 | DTRemenak | yup, maybe it should |
| 01:47.05 | sussudio | Ninja Ninja Ninja Ninja Remenak Remenak |
| 01:47.16 | DTRemenak | especially now that we have SDL_main on some platforms |
| 01:47.20 | StealthLikeNinja | then you could do like a "hit f8 on launch for options" and fill out the command line stuff |
| 01:47.34 | StealthLikeNinja | well I'd like to see platform split into a number of things |
| 01:47.40 | StealthLikeNinja | where each OS could pick waht it wanted |
| 01:47.49 | DTRemenak | yeah. more modular would be better |
| 01:47.53 | StealthLikeNinja | a main main, a win main or a SDL main, and then pick a sound system |
| 01:47.55 | StealthLikeNinja | then video |
| 01:47.57 | StealthLikeNinja | etc... |
| 01:47.58 | DTRemenak | for joysticks and sound and so on |
| 01:48.02 | StealthLikeNinja | yeah |
| 01:48.14 | StealthLikeNinja | so you'll have that done tomorow right? ;) |
| 01:48.29 | bzflag-no-fonts- | thanks bye |
| 01:48.48 | DTRemenak | yeah, right...I have two physics labs, a chem quiz, and an econ set due tomorrow :) |
| 01:50.03 | sgk284 | not i! |
| 01:50.05 | sgk284 | :) |
| 01:50.06 | StealthLikeNinja | isn't school fun? |
| 01:50.12 | DTRemenak | sure is |
| 01:50.23 | DTRemenak | sgk284: I think it was brlcad :) |
| 01:50.34 | sgk284 | hehe didnt want to point fingers:) |
| 01:50.46 | sgk284 | good to know i'm not the only one breaking bzfs ;) |
| 01:50.59 | DTRemenak | it's not really broken, it just floods the connection :) |
| 01:51.11 | sgk284 | heh |
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| 01:51.25 | DTRemenak | sends two messages every cycle to the person who was protected - one to say you were kicked, one to say you were protected |
| 01:51.32 | sgk284 | heh |
| 01:51.50 | sgk284 | hrmm i wonder if that happens with hostban too |
| 01:52.18 | DTRemenak | might |
| 01:52.23 | sgk284 | testing now |
| 01:52.41 | DTRemenak | heh, fills up the logs nicely too |
| 01:52.48 | sgk284 | nope it doesnt |
| 01:52.50 | DTRemenak | more than 2 mb of debug messages in under 5 minutes |
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| 01:53.02 | sgk284 | lol wow |
| 01:53.08 | DTRemenak | starting with a ton of Kicking player DTRemenak [11] idle 578 |
| 01:53.21 | DTRemenak | and then after a while moving to Player DTRemenak [11] drop, unresponsive with 16421 bytes queued |
| 01:53.33 | DTRemenak | because it can't send messages as fast as it would like to |
| 01:53.41 | sgk284 | yea i think nid used to run -d -d -d -d or something to that affect and logged it all... had to stop because the logs went into the gigs |
| 01:53.51 | sgk284 | hehe thats nuts |
| 01:53.55 | DTRemenak | yeah, but this is only -d -d |
| 01:54.01 | sgk284 | wow |
| 01:54.09 | DTRemenak | maybe three |
| 01:54.13 | sgk284 | heh |
| 01:54.15 | DTRemenak | normally I get about a meg a week |
| 01:54.23 | DTRemenak | a meg in five minutes is Not Good |
| 01:54.29 | DTRemenak | much less two :) |
| 01:55.18 | sgk284 | ha! |
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| 01:59.32 | trepan | DTRemenak: add a kickPlayer() wrapper with the protection? |
| 01:59.34 | sgk284 | hey lan56 |
| 02:00.27 | DTRemenak | trepan: that's one solution. he wanted automatic kicks to fail, though. |
| 02:01.22 | DTRemenak | I was just gonna doc it and make him fix it :) |
| 02:01.23 | trepan | ah, thought he just wanted the explicit ones |
| 02:01.35 | DTRemenak | nope, that was already implemented |
| 02:01.53 | trepan | how about superkill ? |
| 02:01.56 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/BUGS: universal antikick protection floods connections, cpus and logs when it's protecting from automatic kicks that are repeated every cycle. |
| 02:02.30 | DTRemenak | yup, it protects against superkill too |
| 02:02.36 | lan56 | sgk284: hey |
| 02:03.31 | trepan | DTRemenak: that i realize, just wondering if it should |
| 02:04.05 | DTRemenak | trepan: it also protects against the "player unresponsive, too many bytes queued" |
| 02:04.31 | DTRemenak | which makes it even worse, because you rapidly get too many bytes queued with all those messages telling you you were and were not kicked |
| 02:04.46 | trepan | which is why i'd use the wrapper, removePlayer() would remove, no questions asked :) |
| 02:04.47 | DTRemenak | so then it tells you that you weren't kicked for being unresponsive either |
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| 02:05.15 | DTRemenak | yeah |
| 02:05.27 | DTRemenak | the autokick thing would still be a problem though |
| 02:05.37 | DTRemenak | that's why he moved it to removePlayer, was to protect against autokicks |
| 02:05.54 | DTRemenak | it just has the unfortunate side effect of repeating itself every cycle :) |
| 02:10.22 | SportChick | I have some questions about weather settings |
| 02:10.27 | SportChick | who should I address them to? |
| 02:10.41 | trepan | shoot |
| 02:11.23 | SportChick | trepan: I'm a bit confused about some of the rain settings. I understand raintype. I understand rainspeed. I thought I understood rain density. However, when I upped raindensity and then tried to turn rain off later, it woudn't turn off. |
| 02:11.32 | SportChick | It turned off the raintype setting but the rain continued |
| 02:11.45 | SportChick | but of course since raintype wasn't set, it rained shapes |
| 02:11.46 | trepan | rain settings linger for a while |
| 02:11.50 | SportChick | yes, I know |
| 02:11.59 | SportChick | and I waited a while in between settings |
| 02:12.05 | trepan | then perhaps it's a bug |
| 02:12.08 | wegstar | yeah I had a similar problem to... |
| 02:12.28 | SportChick | once I finally got it off, I tried to reset density so it would be normal next time the rainw as turned on, but setting density caused the rain to turn on |
| 02:12.37 | SportChick | do I misunderstand the use of density or is it not working properly? |
| 02:12.41 | StealthLikeNinja | did you manualy set the rain desnity? |
| 02:12.45 | SportChick | yes |
| 02:12.49 | StealthLikeNinja | set it to 0 |
| 02:12.51 | SportChick | I did |
| 02:12.52 | StealthLikeNinja | or "none" |
| 02:12.55 | SportChick | I did |
| 02:12.58 | StealthLikeNinja | and it'll stop |
| 02:13.01 | SportChick | yes it did |
| 02:13.07 | SportChick | but what is "normal" density |
| 02:13.13 | wegstar | ah.. nvm |
| 02:13.15 | SportChick | or do you just set it to "none" and that IS normal density |
| 02:13.18 | StealthLikeNinja | if you set it to "none" |
| 02:13.29 | StealthLikeNinja | yeah if you set it to "none" |
| 02:13.35 | SportChick | StealthLikeNinja: thanks |
| 02:13.38 | SportChick | trepan: thanks |
| 02:13.40 | StealthLikeNinja | then set rain type to "rain" it'll use the default for "rain" |
| 02:13.42 | SportChick | ~trepan++ |
| 02:13.48 | trepan | ? |
| 02:13.50 | SportChick | ~StealthLikeNinja++ |
| 02:13.52 | JeffM2501 | no more stealth |
| 02:13.54 | SportChick | hehe |
| 02:13.55 | wegstar | ah... hehe |
| 02:13.59 | SportChick | ~JeffM2501++ |
| 02:14.00 | JeffM2501 | he was there in spirit |
| 02:14.18 | SportChick | thanks all |
| 02:14.25 | edging | ~trepan-- |
| 02:14.28 | SportChick | is there a manpage or something somewhere that explains what all the settings do? |
| 02:14.30 | sgk284 | lol |
| 02:14.37 | sgk284 | nice trepan |
| 02:14.38 | SportChick | ~trepan++ |
| 02:14.41 | SportChick | so there |
| 02:14.51 | trepan | only takes every 4 secs, iirc |
| 02:14.52 | JeffM2501 | SportChick, if there was it'd be in the bfs one, I don't think I made any |
| 02:14.57 | sgk284 | ~trepan++ |
| 02:15.00 | sgk284 | there |
| 02:15.05 | sgk284 | ~karma trepan |
| 02:15.05 | ibot | trepan has karma of 94 |
| 02:15.09 | sgk284 | woah |
| 02:15.09 | trepan | SportChick: Silverfox has one started on bzflag.org |
| 02:15.10 | JeffM2501 | the idea is that if you set something other then the "type" it'll overide what ever the "type" sets for that option. |
| 02:15.14 | sussudio | ~badgers++ |
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| 02:15.18 | SportChick | JeffM2501: okay. Any idea if there are plans to do so? There are some things I'm afraid to touch until I know what to do with them |
| 02:15.30 | JeffM2501 | you know me an englich |
| 02:15.34 | JeffM2501 | so I dono |
| 02:15.41 | trepan | http://bzflag.org/wiki/BzdbVar , but it isn't nearly complete |
| 02:15.56 | SportChick | JeffM2501: so basically if you say /set blahblahblah none for anything, it returns it to default? |
| 02:15.59 | JeffM2501 | rain behaves "diferent" tho |
| 02:16.04 | JeffM2501 | SportChick, yeah |
| 02:16.10 | trepan | SportChick: /reset <var> |
| 02:16.10 | SportChick | that's good enough for me, thanks |
| 02:16.21 | SportChick | ~JeffM2501++ |
| 02:16.24 | SportChick | ~trepan++ |
| 02:16.32 | JeffM2501 | if denisty is set to none, then it'll use the denisity for the type if it's set |
| 02:16.38 | JeffM2501 | it's a cascade thing |
| 02:16.44 | JeffM2501 | made sense when I made it |
| 02:16.49 | JeffM2501 | dosn't make any sense now |
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| 02:17.18 | SportChick | ok |
| 02:17.18 | wegstar | wow... |
| 02:17.18 | DTRemenak | whee |
| 02:17.30 | wegstar | netsplit? |
| 02:17.30 | JeffM2501 | I probably should have made it so that rain type had to be set to "custom" for the other vars to be used. |
| 02:17.30 | JeffM2501 | mini split |
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| 02:17.45 | wegstar | hehe... |
| 02:17.54 | JeffM2501 | then it's ether set a generic type preset, or set all the options yourself |
| 02:18.07 | blast007 | wow, I was on the bad end of that netsplit... |
| 02:18.26 | blast007 | I have a screen and a half of joins ;) |
| 02:18.49 | JeffM2501 | it was just 6 of you that split |
| 02:19.14 | blast007 | from your point of view |
| 02:19.20 | JeffM2501 | we had more |
| 02:19.24 | JeffM2501 | we were "right" :) |
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| 02:20.31 | wegstar | hm... now I have a vague idea where Cods and Jpa lives... :) |
| 02:20.59 | sussudio | france? |
| 02:21.03 | JeffM2501 | why? |
| 02:21.24 | JeffM2501 | the split isn't based on them |
| 02:21.29 | JeffM2501 | it's based on what server they loged into |
| 02:21.37 | wegstar | no... i'm on the forums.. |
| 02:21.43 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 02:22.59 | sgk284 | hrmm... PlayerAccessInfo::isAccessVerified() and PlayerAccessInfo::isVerified() do the exact same thing... |
| 02:23.11 | sgk284 | :) |
| 02:24.27 | DTRemenak | why so they do |
| 02:24.41 | bryjen | in the exact same way |
| 02:24.44 | sgk284 | lol |
| 02:25.03 | wegstar | JeffM2501 where did you stick the code for modeltool? |
| 02:25.10 | wegstar | ah... found it.. nvm |
| 02:25.15 | wegstar | stupid me |
| 02:25.18 | JeffM2501 | it's a tool ain't it :) |
| 02:25.25 | DTRemenak | sgk284: feel free to, uh, eliminate, one of them :) |
| 02:25.44 | DTRemenak | I'd suggest keeping the shorter one around, personally |
| 02:25.55 | sgk284 | sounds good |
| 02:26.04 | JeffM2501 | oh what |
| 02:26.04 | sgk284 | lol |
| 02:26.07 | JeffM2501 | what one did I make |
| 02:26.11 | sgk284 | heh |
| 02:26.15 | JeffM2501 | did I make the short one? |
| 02:26.32 | sgk284 | sure :) |
| 02:26.37 | bryjen | error: you do not have permission to execute the /veto command |
| 02:26.58 | wegstar | lol |
| 02:27.56 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: yeah, you made the short one :) |
| 02:28.02 | DTRemenak | Tim made the long one |
| 02:28.03 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 02:28.09 | JeffM2501 | then you may keep mine :) |
| 02:28.15 | JeffM2501 | ohh tim made the other one |
| 02:28.18 | JeffM2501 | BURN IT!!! |
| 02:28.23 | DTRemenak | short one makes more sense anyway...isVerified returns verified, gee what a concept |
| 02:28.24 | blast007 | lol |
| 02:28.24 | sgk284 | well heh i'm not removing tims code ;) |
| 02:28.31 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 02:28.34 | JeffM2501 | yes you will be |
| 02:28.38 | JeffM2501 | you get used to it very fast |
| 02:28.43 | sgk284 | lol! |
| 02:28.49 | JeffM2501 | don't put him on a pedistal |
| 02:28.56 | DTRemenak | sgk284: doesn't matter who wrote it. the better code stays. |
| 02:29.02 | sgk284 | k |
| 02:29.31 | JeffM2501 | tim dosn't allways "get" what other people have done in code, and often puts stuff in |
| 02:29.32 | sgk284 | JeffM2501, i sense some tension.... ;) |
| 02:29.42 | JeffM2501 | realy? |
| 02:29.45 | JeffM2501 | I'd hope sp |
| 02:29.48 | sgk284 | lol |
| 02:29.52 | JeffM2501 | cus I was laying it on prety darn thick |
| 02:30.18 | DTRemenak | sgk284: if you ask Tim about it he'll say the same thing...his actions may or may not match it, but he'll say that the more logical, better structured code ought to stay. |
| 02:30.36 | sgk284 | okay, no problem :) |
| 02:30.43 | JeffM2501 | or he'll revert your commit with out saying a thing |
| 02:30.53 | DTRemenak | he rarely does that anymore |
| 02:30.58 | JeffM2501 | true |
| 02:30.59 | DTRemenak | he tells you to revert it instead |
| 02:31.06 | JeffM2501 | the beatings seem to have had some effect |
| 02:31.19 | DTRemenak | which imho is way better. still sucks when it happens, but it's better than having it just disappear. |
| 02:31.29 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 02:31.47 | JeffM2501 | it was the not wanting to do the 3 line URL encode change that realy bugged me |
| 02:32.08 | DTRemenak | bryjen: annotate says Tim wrote both of them, but the 1.35 commit was applying JeffM2501's patch |
| 02:32.37 | JeffM2501 | well yeah I didn't make any of them, cus I didn't do the first part in classes |
| 02:32.37 | bryjen | annotate is just last editor, correct? |
| 02:32.46 | DTRemenak | yeah |
| 02:32.49 | JeffM2501 | somone else did the reorg of all that code |
| 02:33.03 | JeffM2501 | I patched that? |
| 02:33.09 | JeffM2501 | the /reg disable? |
| 02:33.15 | DTRemenak | yeah, it was part of something else |
| 02:33.25 | DTRemenak | "add JeffM2501's -requireidentify with updates" |
| 02:33.32 | bryjen | ThatBigFatGuy is credited with starting Permissions.cxx |
| 02:33.35 | JeffM2501 | ahhh |
| 02:33.54 | JeffM2501 | yeah he did a lot of the big splits |
| 02:34.00 | DTRemenak | of course, 1.31 was "ws" so I dunno who actually wrote isAccessVerified :) |
| 02:34.16 | DTRemenak | ah, Tupone |
| 02:34.20 | sgk284 | any reason why only public servers can use global login? |
| 02:34.23 | JeffM2501 | ws can take many forms |
| 02:34.33 | sgk284 | seems like an if statement was placed there just to irritiate me ;) |
| 02:34.34 | JeffM2501 | sgk284, it's tied to the list server |
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| 02:34.40 | sgk284 | okay |
| 02:34.42 | JeffM2501 | private servers don't hit the list server |
| 02:34.46 | JeffM2501 | aka, no global |
| 02:34.48 | sgk284 | oh yea |
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| 02:35.02 | DTRemenak | sgk284: the auth stuff has to be split out of ListServerConnection to let that happen |
| 02:35.08 | DTRemenak | it's possible but hasn't been done yet |
| 02:35.14 | DTRemenak | patches welcome :) |
| 02:35.17 | sgk284 | heh |
| 02:35.40 | JeffM2501 | wonder if the IRC sever could automaitcly change "patches welcome" to "get to work" |
| 02:35.45 | DTRemenak | hehe |
| 02:35.51 | DTRemenak | ~patches welcome |
| 02:35.52 | ibot | somebody said patches welcome was a common response by maintainers of Open Source products. It's roughly means "We don't have much time on our hands, so if you write that feature and send it to us we will likely roll it in. If you don't have the time to write it, we don't either. Stop asking for it." |
| 02:35.52 | JeffM2501 | be a very diferent Tim Riker |
| 02:36.00 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 02:36.05 | sgk284 | lol |
| 02:36.24 | JeffM2501 | aka "bug off" |
| 02:36.46 | DTRemenak | pretty much an "I won't code that but it's cool if you do." |
| 02:36.51 | DTRemenak | ambivalent support |
| 02:37.08 | JeffM2501 | if they could code, they woudon't be asking for it :) |
| 02:37.27 | DTRemenak | in that case it can be shortened to "I won't code that" :) |
| 02:37.30 | DTRemenak | aka "bug off" |
| 02:37.58 | bryjen | DTR: did you find the "Start Server" bug? |
| 02:38.01 | DTRemenak | or alternately, "learn how to do something useful" |
| 02:38.04 | DTRemenak | bryjen: yup, fixed it |
| 02:38.09 | bryjen | cool. |
| 02:38.12 | bryjen | DTRemenak++ |
| 02:38.14 | JeffM2501 | aka "get to work" |
| 02:38.15 | bryjen | ~DTRemenak++ |
| 02:39.00 | DTRemenak | Took me a couple hours to find. I'm used to being able to trust that argv[0] is useful, didn't think to check it. |
| 02:39.20 | sgk284 | just a word in advance, antiban stuff is only feasible with global auth but it seems to all be working now |
| 02:39.37 | DTRemenak | sgk284: if you type fast enough... :) |
| 02:39.37 | JeffM2501 | what is an "anti-ban" ? |
| 02:39.48 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: prevents the user from being banned |
| 02:39.58 | JeffM2501 | that's a problem? |
| 02:39.58 | Legolas | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:39.59 | DTRemenak | it's a permission...so you can keep admins from banning other admins |
| 02:40.06 | DTRemenak | yeah, it is |
| 02:40.12 | sgk284 | JeffM2501, i ban texas, you live in texas, i give you antiban perms, you can play on my server |
| 02:40.15 | JeffM2501 | Legolas, we've been over that before, what do you mean? |
| 02:40.27 | JeffM2501 | sgk284, oooo,, you mean "exceptions" |
| 02:40.28 | bryjen | so you can hostban *.texas.us but still allow registered players from there in |
| 02:40.34 | JeffM2501 | that's what the rest of the world calls them :) |
| 02:40.35 | sgk284 | JeffM2501, that too:) |
| 02:40.42 | sgk284 | i called it whitelisting |
| 02:40.43 | JeffM2501 | anti-ban.. who cam up with that? |
| 02:40.45 | sgk284 | :) |
| 02:40.53 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: it was part of the ANTIPERMS patch |
| 02:41.01 | DTRemenak | including such things as antikick |
| 02:41.08 | bryjen | there's a whole extended families of anties |
| 02:41.08 | DTRemenak | it's from early 1.11 cycle |
| 02:41.09 | JeffM2501 | every router Iv'e seen calls it exceptions, whitelisting is a good term too |
| 02:41.10 | sgk284 | yea there is a whole anti* naming scheme, it was consistent |
| 02:41.16 | sgk284 | :/ |
| 02:41.21 | JeffM2501 | it's like the banatron |
| 02:41.25 | JeffM2501 | and the negaban! |
| 02:41.26 | sgk284 | heh |
| 02:41.27 | bryjen | aunties |
| 02:41.30 | DTRemenak | who's trying to ban atron? |
| 02:41.36 | JeffM2501 | me |
| 02:41.39 | JeffM2501 | didn't you hear |
| 02:41.41 | JeffM2501 | I ban everyone |
| 02:41.42 | DTRemenak | hehe |
| 02:41.44 | JeffM2501 | it's what I do |
| 02:41.49 | JeffM2501 | it's what I live for |
| 02:41.52 | bryjen | banana-tron? |
| 02:41.53 | JeffM2501 | I'm evil |
| 02:42.07 | JeffM2501 | specialy if you read dw's mapers forum |
| 02:42.09 | sussudio | bananaphone? |
| 02:42.14 | DTRemenak | hahaha, I haven't |
| 02:42.20 | DTRemenak | I ought to, just for fun :) |
| 02:42.34 | JeffM2501 | one of his rules is "no personal atacks" |
| 02:42.45 | JeffM2501 | just do a search on "jeff" and see how well that holds up |
| 02:42.55 | sussudio | ~berserker |
| 02:42.56 | ibot | ACTION takes edini and makes him into a nice debian kebab with extra blood and guts |
| 02:43.03 | JeffM2501 | BIYA seems to hate me extra |
| 02:43.26 | Legoguy | alright trepan / JeffM2501 : i gave up on normals for now and thanks to the suggestions of kroboto i have it set up to not put things where they don't belong |
| 02:43.28 | JeffM2501 | not my fault he has a stupid name |
| 02:43.44 | Legoguy | players always spawn inside now |
| 02:44.45 | Legoguy | so if anyone wants to try out the (almost) finished product... turbogfx.homelinux.org:5158 |
| 02:45.00 | JeffM2501 | bryjen, I'm not evil, I'm just not good |
| 02:45.11 | DTRemenak | Legoguy: I will in about half an hour, I have to go to dinner |
| 02:45.20 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: you're good at being evil :) |
| 02:45.27 | JeffM2501 | not that good |
| 02:45.32 | JeffM2501 | I'm just not dumb |
| 02:48.47 | bryjen | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=1038 re: Interests |
| 02:48.48 | JeffM2501 | who do you need mocked? |
| 02:48.51 | sgk284 | ~JeffM2501 |
| 02:49.04 | sgk284 | ~sgk284 |
| 02:49.05 | ibot | [sgk284] an admin at Secretplace. |
| 02:49.07 | JeffM2501 | like he's ever got some |
| 02:49.27 | sgk284 | who is that? |
| 02:50.03 | JeffM2501 | fixed :) |
| 02:50.27 | bryjen | a-yup :) |
| 02:50.47 | JeffM2501 | I could give him a "special" rank |
| 02:50.51 | sgk284 | ~JeffM2501++ |
| 02:50.56 | KR | lol |
| 02:50.58 | blast007 | hehe |
| 02:51.00 | sgk284 | omg thats hilarious |
| 02:51.13 | blast007 | the funny part is that it's probably true |
| 02:51.20 | sgk284 | who was the guy talking about the cheats and how 1337 he was? |
| 02:51.31 | JeffM2501 | some asshat |
| 02:51.50 | blast007 | did you download the cheats? :) |
| 02:51.52 | blast007 | er |
| 02:51.53 | JeffM2501 | he got his posts ganked |
| 02:51.54 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 02:51.54 | blast007 | he* |
| 02:52.05 | JeffM2501 | it was just that guy |
| 02:52.11 | JeffM2501 | old 1.10.x stuff |
| 02:52.13 | wegstar | http://-------.--- "you have to bribe me first :)" |
| 02:52.17 | JeffM2501 | forgot his name |
| 02:52.20 | sgk284 | lol |
| 02:52.20 | shorty114 | call of honor |
| 02:52.23 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 02:52.30 | JeffM2501 | the guy who MADE the cheats |
| 02:52.33 | JeffM2501 | he was here for a while |
| 02:52.35 | wegstar | nope.. someone else... |
| 02:52.37 | JeffM2501 | got into a big stink |
| 02:52.41 | JeffM2501 | saying he wasn't cheating |
| 02:52.46 | JeffM2501 | when I called him a cheater |
| 02:52.48 | shorty114 | knightmare? |
| 02:52.51 | wegstar | nope |
| 02:52.51 | JeffM2501 | no no |
| 02:52.58 | JeffM2501 | bj and some numbers |
| 02:53.02 | JeffM2501 | or something |
| 02:53.08 | trepan | dj28 |
| 02:53.08 | JeffM2501 | kept puting his stuff on wiki |
| 02:53.11 | JeffM2501 | there ya go |
| 02:53.17 | blast007 | oh yeah, I remember him |
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| 02:55.14 | sgk284 | is there any truth to sid6.7's post : http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=2591 |
| 02:55.15 | sgk284 | ? |
| 02:55.19 | wegstar | CameronRiker... hmm |
| 02:55.41 | JeffM2501 | I never saw one |
| 02:55.48 | JeffM2501 | and don't bag on Tim's kids :) |
| 02:56.01 | sgk284 | heh |
| 02:56.13 | wegstar | kids? |
| 02:56.18 | JeffM2501 | sid's on the "special" list to |
| 02:56.19 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 02:56.20 | trepan | small people |
| 02:56.22 | JeffM2501 | Tim has children |
| 02:56.23 | JeffM2501 | you know |
| 02:56.26 | wegstar | ah... |
| 02:56.30 | JeffM2501 | munchkins |
| 02:56.33 | JeffM2501 | before they get big |
| 02:56.36 | JeffM2501 | and anoying |
| 02:57.12 | JeffM2501 | baby->todler->kid->munchkin->asshat->student->prick->adult |
| 02:57.14 | sgk284 | you saying sid is tim's kid? |
| 02:57.19 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 02:57.23 | JeffM2501 | I'm saying he's on a list |
| 02:57.29 | sgk284 | a bad or good list |
| 02:57.30 | JeffM2501 | cam and harry are Tim's kids |
| 02:57.40 | JeffM2501 | we'll just say it's a "special" list |
| 02:57.43 | sgk284 | lol |
| 02:57.45 | sgk284 | k |
| 02:59.07 | JeffM2501 | time to go plumb |
| 02:59.10 | sgk284 | cya |
| 02:59.15 | sussudio | heresallama->theresallama->llamaincar->llama |
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| 03:25.41 | Legolas | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:25.54 | Legolas | ~define escolater |
| 03:26.03 | Legolas | in a map? |
| 03:26.07 | blast007 | ~spell escolater |
| 03:26.08 | ibot | possible spellings for escolater: escalate escalator osculate escalated escalates isolate scolder desolater escalators exalter isolator escorted |
| 03:26.28 | blast007 | Legolas: didn't I already give you that link? |
| 03:27.06 | blast007 | wegstar_digestin: lol |
| 03:27.27 | wegstar_digestin | hehe... large dinner *BURP* |
| 03:27.38 | wegstar_digestin | shouldn't talk when I'm digesting :) |
| 03:27.43 | Legolas | oh i dot know |
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| 03:38.42 | sgk284 | ~bzflist |
| 03:46.40 | bryjen | ~bzfquery dtremenak.bakadigital.com:6000 |
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| 04:23.50 | bz3115 | what ports do the basic internet surfing use? |
| 04:25.07 | bz3115 | when putting up a server do you have to have 4 port numbers? |
| 04:25.22 | sgk284 | one port |
| 04:25.31 | sgk284 | may containt 4 digits if you so desire:) |
| 04:25.36 | sgk284 | contain* |
| 04:25.47 | sgk284 | by default it uses 5154 iirc |
| 04:25.50 | bz3115 | like the default is 5154 but can it have just 2 numbers? |
| 04:26.02 | sgk284 | yes it can |
| 04:26.23 | bz3115 | what port does basic internet surfing use? |
| 04:26.38 | *** part/#bzflag sussudio (suss@sussudio.user) |
| 04:26.41 | sgk284 | thats not a good port to use, why do you want to use it? |
| 04:26.55 | bz3115 | i dont im just curious |
| 04:27.04 | sgk284 | btw its 80... thats what your webbrowser uses |
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| 04:27.51 | sgk284 | wierd... |
| 04:28.28 | bryjen | if they're behind something that only allow port 80 _out_ using 80 for bzfs won't help. |
| 04:29.37 | sgk284 | yea... |
| 04:29.55 | sgk284 | if he didnt know what a port was though, he probably shouldnt be running a server ;) |
| 04:30.04 | sgk284 | btw, is anyone getting this: List server send failed: Resource temporarily unavailable |
| 04:30.23 | sgk284 | could it be the list server is rejecting me for starting and stopping a server too much ? |
| 04:31.01 | DTRemenak | I'm not getting that, no |
| 04:31.10 | sgk284 | k thanks |
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| 04:31.48 | sgk284 | know of any reason i might be getting that? |
| 04:33.02 | DTRemenak | nope |
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| 04:35.31 | bryjen | "List server send failed" is in src/bzfs/ListServerConnection.cxx. not sure where the rest comes from... |
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| 04:38.22 | bryjen | ah, perror. uses errno |
| 04:38.54 | bryjen | that string goes along with EAGAIN |
| 04:40.44 | sgk284 | thanks bryjen |
| 04:40.45 | sgk284 | :) |
| 04:40.49 | jpa_ | morning |
| 04:40.53 | sgk284 | mornign jpa |
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| 04:46.55 | brlcad | mm.. good movie |
| 04:47.41 | DTRemenak | what'd'ya see? |
| 04:48.53 | creeperz | Mona Lisa Smile... |
| 04:48.54 | creeperz | :-) |
| 04:50.11 | jpa_ | helllo brlcad |
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| 04:50.52 | sgk284 | hey brlcad |
| 04:52.11 | jpa_ | hm.. why do english (more or less english) people always ask "how are you?" |
| 04:52.20 | jpa_ | and how should i answer? |
| 04:52.39 | bryjen | har. its amazing what having a b0rked daemon hammering away at syslog will do to your FPS :/ |
| 04:54.08 | bryjen | jpa_: are you well? |
| 04:54.13 | lan56 | jpa_: answer in regards to how you feel at the moment or overall :) |
| 04:55.08 | jpa_ | no matter, jpa can't translate it anyway :) |
| 04:59.14 | brlcad | DTRemenak: The Aviator |
| 04:59.22 | DTRemenak | cool |
| 04:59.23 | brlcad | howdy jpa_ sgk284 |
| 05:01.04 | DTRemenak | jpa_: the proper answer to "How are you?" is "I'm fine." Even if you aren't. Noone really cares how you are, they're just saying hi, and giving you a chance to complain about how bad life is going if it is going badly. |
| 05:01.44 | DTRemenak | brlcad: did you read the newest entries in BUGS? |
| 05:02.11 | DTRemenak | bryjen's comment about borked daemons reminded me :) |
| 05:06.16 | sgk284 | dtremenak, lol thats one way of describing "how are you?" |
| 05:06.22 | sgk284 | ;) |
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| 05:07.25 | sgk284 | jpa, i care how you are, so how are you? ;) |
| 05:07.59 | sgk284 | need anything? some money, a new car? anything to make sure your doing well |
| 05:08.31 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 05:09.05 | bryjen | is removePlayer only used for kicks? |
| 05:09.20 | sgk284 | dont think so |
| 05:09.22 | bryjen | hmm, that doesn't sound quite right... |
| 05:12.22 | bryjen | ah, callers with notify=true are generally kicks |
| 05:13.12 | bryjen | except maybe the one at the end of doStuffOnPlayer |
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| 05:17.19 | bryjen | ok, so that one is error stuff from NetHandler. |
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| 05:26.48 | SportChick | Nidhoggr: weren't you planning to take sp 1.10 dark today? |
| 05:28.40 | Nidhoggr | nod... I should do that. |
| 05:28.53 | Nidhoggr | I was considering holding off until all the bugs were fixed. |
| 05:28.59 | Nidhoggr | the hostban stuff anyway. |
| 05:30.10 | bryjen | ~bzfquery bzflag.secretplace.us |
| 05:30.21 | Nidhoggr | hm |
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| 05:32.15 | Nidhoggr | just shut it down |
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| 05:54.34 | SilverFox | one of my admins (doesn't use IRC) has been unable to reset his password on bzbb for some time. Who should he contact, and how? |
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| 05:55.50 | JeffM2501 | me |
| 05:55.55 | JeffM2501 | and any way he can |
| 05:56.01 | bryjen | email from the address they registered with perhaps |
| 05:56.17 | JeffM2501 | what's the name? |
| 05:56.55 | JeffM2501 | there is no user by that name |
| 05:57.34 | JeffM2501 | have him actualy register |
| 05:58.00 | SilverFox | he said he couldn't log in. |
| 05:58.06 | SilverFox | alright... thanks (sorry for the trouble) |
| 05:58.07 | JeffM2501 | well that would make sense |
| 05:58.12 | JeffM2501 | since he dosn't have a name :) |
| 06:01.08 | sgk284 | heh |
| 06:01.58 | sgk284 | some of the requests are nuts... |
| 06:02.12 | JeffM2501 | the what? |
| 06:02.17 | JeffM2501 | the one on SF? |
| 06:02.21 | sgk284 | yea |
| 06:02.25 | bryjen | s/requests/requestors/ |
| 06:02.31 | JeffM2501 | ohh never |
| 06:02.41 | sgk284 | lol |
| 06:02.49 | sgk284 | yea it seems that way:) |
| 06:03.05 | sgk284 | maybe if the requests were a little more thought out... or something i dunno... |
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| 06:04.16 | sgk284 | some are nice |
| 06:04.20 | JeffM2501 | anyone with a real request finds a better way |
| 06:04.23 | JeffM2501 | like coming here |
| 06:04.27 | JeffM2501 | or talking about it on bzbb |
| 06:04.30 | sgk284 | heh yea |
| 06:14.50 | SportChick | SilverFox: will you please deregister me on hepcat so I can use my global login? |
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| 06:25.30 | MeBigFatGuy | anyone know how to fail a build in ant in a taskdef? throwing BuildError doesn't seem to do it |
| 06:27.53 | MeBigFatGuy | er.. BuildException |
| 06:29.23 | cods | About dynamiccolor, I think the following patch is needed according to the documentation: http://tuxee.net/dyn.txt |
| 06:34.55 | sgk284 | cods, what are you trying to achieve? |
| 06:35.43 | cods | trying to make the behavior of dynamic color matching the documentation (and the choice of 'colorMid' seem to confirm that) |
| 06:36.01 | sgk284 | ah |
| 06:36.07 | cods | the state 1 in sequence in dynamic color should give factor = .5 in code |
| 06:36.17 | cods | actually state 1 is same as state 2 |
| 06:36.22 | cods | I don't think it was intended |
| 06:37.01 | sgk284 | you'll want to talk to trepan about that |
| 06:37.02 | sgk284 | i think |
| 06:42.49 | trepan | it gets sinusoided, no big deal |
| 06:45.45 | trepan | should change the doc, allowing the sinusoiding allows for smoother transitions between states |
| 06:47.14 | trepan | either that, or remove 'em, cause they're yet another needless complication that's ruining the playtime for the mapper kiddies |
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| 06:51.20 | PerlMan | help a fellow tanker? |
| 06:51.34 | sgk284 | what do ya need? |
| 06:51.40 | PerlMan | ahh sgk! |
| 06:51.50 | sgk284 | hey perlman:) |
| 06:51.51 | PerlMan | I'm still fighting that run a root only problem |
| 06:51.56 | PerlMan | this is kyleh |
| 06:52.00 | sgk284 | ahh okay |
| 06:52.11 | PerlMan | you were trying to help me earlier |
| 06:52.14 | sgk284 | heh whats it saying when you run as a regular user? |
| 06:52.31 | PerlMan | I get a black window with a single arrow cursor |
| 06:52.40 | PerlMan | bzflag is running but not displaying anything |
| 06:52.47 | PerlMan | when run a root, all is well |
| 06:53.12 | PerlMan | any clues? |
| 06:53.19 | sgk284 | and /usr/share/bzflag is set to be world readable? |
| 06:53.29 | PerlMan | yes I even changed ownership to me |
| 06:53.36 | sgk284 | try "bzflag -directory /usr/share/bzflag" |
| 06:53.54 | PerlMan | ok one sec |
| 06:54.24 | PerlMan | no change |
| 06:54.27 | sgk284 | wasnt that a problem with knightmare before? |
| 06:54.31 | PerlMan | black screen with flashing arrow |
| 06:54.44 | sgk284 | ugh... |
| 06:54.57 | PerlMan | runs as root no problem tho. |
| 06:55.30 | PerlMan | I may 1. uninstall and reisntall, or 2. compile from source |
| 06:55.45 | sgk284 | i would try 1 first if you still have the rpm |
| 06:55.51 | sgk284 | when you install use -Uvh |
| 06:55.59 | PerlMan | yep - will do |
| 06:56.05 | PerlMan | back in a few |
| 06:56.07 | sgk284 | k |
| 06:57.45 | PerlMan | crap! error: package bzflag-2.0.0.20050121-0.i386.rpm is not installed |
| 06:57.51 | PerlMan | (it is installed) |
| 06:58.39 | PerlMan | rpm -Uvh bzflag-2.0.0.20050121-0.i386.rpm |
| 06:58.39 | PerlMan | Preparing... ########################################### [100%] |
| 06:58.39 | PerlMan | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:58.50 | sgk284 | have to remove it first |
| 06:59.03 | PerlMan | with rpm -e right? |
| 06:59.07 | DTRemenak | rpm -e bzflag |
| 06:59.15 | sgk284 | yep |
| 06:59.17 | PerlMan | rpm -e bzflag-2.0.0.20050121-0.i386.rpm |
| 06:59.17 | PerlMan | error: package bzflag-2.0.0.20050121-0.i386.rpm is not installed |
| 06:59.40 | DTRemenak | use just "bzflag" |
| 07:00.06 | PerlMan | ok that worked |
| 07:00.09 | PerlMan | but problem remains |
| 07:01.02 | PerlMan | can I remove .bzf to see if that helps? (will bzflag recreate it?) |
| 07:01.16 | PerlMan | ls |
| 07:01.19 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 07:01.23 | sgk284 | yea rm it all |
| 07:01.59 | PerlMan | that fixed it |
| 07:02.01 | PerlMan | amazing |
| 07:02.23 | PerlMan | what wierd stuff |
| 07:02.34 | sgk284 | heh nice |
| 07:02.52 | sgk284 | 1.10.8 config conflicts with 2.0 |
| 07:03.02 | sgk284 | but never saw a conflict do what you described :/ |
| 07:03.33 | sgk284 | hurray for randomness |
| 07:03.33 | PerlMan | I guess |
| 07:03.35 | sgk284 | heh |
| 07:03.38 | sgk284 | have fun playing |
| 07:03.46 | PerlMan | I though I had tried everything |
| 07:04.04 | PerlMan | next time linux gives me trouble, I'll just rm -rf the damn thing |
| 07:04.50 | PerlMan | well, thank you for the help. be well friends |
| 07:04.59 | sgk284 | sure |
| 07:05.01 | sgk284 | you too |
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| 07:55.23 | brlcad | DTRemenak: ahhm. I glossed over in the sea of e-mail .. which bug? |
| 07:55.37 | DTRemenak | top two in BUGS |
| 07:55.39 | brlcad | saw the ones fixed by tupone and you and sgk |
| 07:55.51 | brlcad | ahh BUGS |
| 07:56.07 | DTRemenak | antikick blocks autokicks, which causes nice problems |
| 07:56.35 | brlcad | hmm.. the prior was intentional |
| 07:56.46 | brlcad | the problems of course were not (but sort of expected) |
| 07:56.47 | DTRemenak | that's why it's in BUGS, not fixed :) |
| 07:57.00 | DTRemenak | I generated >2mb of log messages in less than three minutes |
| 07:57.06 | DTRemenak | from idling with ADMIN |
| 07:57.07 | brlcad | hehe |
| 07:57.17 | brlcad | ahh makes sense |
| 07:57.22 | DTRemenak | not to mention flooding the connection :) |
| 07:57.25 | brlcad | how dare you idle |
| 07:57.35 | DTRemenak | and then it tries to drop the player for being unresponsive |
| 07:57.39 | DTRemenak | and that's blocked too |
| 07:57.40 | brlcad | yep |
| 07:57.44 | DTRemenak | so it generates more messages |
| 07:57.44 | brlcad | every cycle |
| 07:57.47 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 07:58.17 | brlcad | same should happen on all the timing-based kicks.. |
| 07:58.31 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 07:58.43 | DTRemenak | anything that has a threshold value |
| 07:58.53 | DTRemenak | once the threshold is exceeded, it tries to kick every cycle |
| 07:59.01 | brlcad | the solution that comes to mind is to make those kicks send a message and then drop silent |
| 07:59.03 | DTRemenak | I imagine lagkick also |
| 07:59.19 | DTRemenak | yup, but then what about the second time I idle in one session? |
| 07:59.51 | brlcad | what about it? same should happen |
| 07:59.54 | DTRemenak | and what about the messages telling me that I wasn't kicked? |
| 08:00.12 | brlcad | no, you'd get kicked |
| 08:00.18 | DTRemenak | huh? |
| 08:00.29 | brlcad | by "drop silent" I mean removePlayer with no notify message |
| 08:00.33 | DTRemenak | ah |
| 08:00.50 | brlcad | if there is no notify message, it does not block |
| 08:00.54 | DTRemenak | then the antikick does what it did before you changed it... :) |
| 08:01.13 | DTRemenak | not protecting against autokicks |
| 08:01.14 | brlcad | so, for example, dead connections are not notified disconnects |
| 08:01.51 | brlcad | yeah.. it would unless there are some that aren't timing based |
| 08:01.51 | DTRemenak | trepan was thinking about a kick() wrapper around removePlayer |
| 08:02.03 | brlcad | hrm |
| 08:02.16 | brlcad | that is the point of antikick though, so perhaps there's a better solution |
| 08:02.28 | DTRemenak | well, dropped connections could still be notified in that case |
| 08:02.38 | brlcad | it shouldn't kick, imo .. if you've been given antikick -- i'd expect to never be kicked period |
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| 08:02.52 | DTRemenak | what about the admin whos connection craps out on him? |
| 08:02.57 | brlcad | dropped connections weren't notified before the change |
| 08:03.09 | DTRemenak | hm |
| 08:03.09 | brlcad | there's a handful of disconnects that happen silently |
| 08:03.13 | DTRemenak | yeah |
| 08:03.21 | brlcad | most all are communication errors iirc |
| 08:03.24 | DTRemenak | lots of cases to check though |
| 08:03.55 | DTRemenak | not sure notified is the right trigger |
| 08:04.16 | DTRemenak | maybe a protected bool, and go through and mark all the ones which ought to be protected |
| 08:04.32 | DTRemenak | or ought not |
| 08:04.41 | DTRemenak | or use a wrapper |
| 08:05.08 | brlcad | that's effectively going to be the notify removals |
| 08:05.21 | brlcad | it's going to take more than wrappers I think |
| 08:05.42 | DTRemenak | well, whatever... but the way it is now is Not Good :) |
| 08:05.45 | brlcad | the auto-kickers need to get notified of a reset or a need to reset |
| 08:06.10 | brlcad | that could be achieved by a couple ways that come to mind.. |
| 08:06.27 | brlcad | an AutoKick class comes to mind |
| 08:07.00 | brlcad | then if a kick condition is found by autokick, and antikick is held, a self-reset can be made |
| 08:07.22 | brlcad | so I'll revert for now |
| 08:07.29 | brlcad | that's a more detailed change |
| 08:13.11 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/ (BUGS ChangeLog): |
| 08:13.11 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: revert the antikick exemption during player removal for now due to a variety of |
| 08:13.11 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: timing-based autokick sections that require a reset or other special handling. |
| 08:13.11 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: An AutoKick class with registered kick cases should do the trick quite nicely, |
| 08:13.11 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: so revert until implemented. |
| 08:13.38 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: |
| 08:13.38 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: revert the antikick exemption during player removal for now due to a variety of |
| 08:13.38 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: timing-based autokick sections that require a reset or other special handling. |
| 08:13.38 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: An AutoKick class with registered kick cases should do the trick quite nicely, |
| 08:13.38 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: so revert until implemented. |
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| 08:15.36 | brlcad | stampede! |
| 08:17.35 | brlcad | and the graceful but rare bumble cow flutters off to cleanse |
| 08:19.04 | purple_cow | hehe, bumble cow |
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| 12:09.49 | jpa_ | hello |
| 12:11.38 | |zongo| | hola |
| 12:13.05 | jpa_ | why is this stupid internet connection my school has lagging? |
| 12:13.15 | jpa_ | ssh is pain :S |
| 12:13.43 | |zongo| | u shouldnt go to school :P |
| 12:30.47 | jpa_ | i want trepan_away |
| 12:30.59 | jpa_ | he hasn't answered why zones spawn so strangely |
| 12:54.28 | cods | zones spawning ? what you mean ? |
| 12:57.35 | jpa_ | i mean |
| 12:57.44 | jpa_ | you can have zones tanks spawn in |
| 12:57.49 | jpa_ | i have one at ocean |
| 12:58.07 | jpa_ | when i add pyramids at +600 units, spawn starts there |
| 12:58.13 | jpa_ | and tank falls down |
| 12:58.24 | cods | ah yes.. same problem for me |
| 12:58.39 | cods | but no idea about what's wrong. |
| 12:58.44 | jpa_ | hmm.. is spawning at server or client.. |
| 12:58.54 | cods | server |
| 12:59.23 | jpa_ | so it can be fixed |
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| 13:40.12 | Zub | bzflag 2.0 crash a lot, someone can tell me why? is any bug know? |
| 13:40.19 | Zub | known |
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| 13:45.57 | blast007 | Zub: lots of bugs might be known, but possible not the one causing your crash |
| 13:46.30 | Zub | i see a lot of people with continuous crashes with 2.0 client on hepcat overlord |
| 13:46.42 | blast007 | if you can reproduce it, you could submit a bug report on sourceforge with all the details |
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| 13:47.04 | blast007 | like with the steps to reproduce it, and the hardware you are using |
| 13:47.16 | Zub | yes, i know |
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| 13:47.40 | Zub | just asked if there's a well known new bug or something |
| 13:47.44 | Zub | on 2.0 client |
| 13:47.45 | blast007 | ah |
| 13:48.07 | blast007 | is this the 2.0.0 client of sourceforge? |
| 13:48.22 | blast007 | cuz there have been some bug fixes that are currently in CVS |
| 13:48.30 | Zub | i think so |
| 13:48.49 | Zub | it's the gentoo package |
| 13:49.03 | blast007 | k, I would imagine 2.0.0 then |
| 13:49.20 | blast007 | you might even want to grab the CVS and compile it yourself, to see if that fixes it |
| 13:49.33 | Zub | yes |
| 13:49.54 | Zub | may be i try |
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| 13:54.59 | JaviMM | hello. I've been trying to solve some problems with BZ 2 since it came out, but the game still hangs. ANy help? |
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| 13:56.10 | cods | what style of problem ? |
| 13:57.33 | JaviMM | BZ starts ok, I select server, Join Game, and when I right click or press "i", the game hangs. I freezes my machine too. Both Win XP and Linux. It seems that it takes too much processor power |
| 13:58.02 | blast007 | JaviMM: You might need to delete your configuraton files...that's been causing some weird hangs |
| 13:58.47 | blast007 | think they're at ~/.bzw or something like that |
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| 13:59.11 | JaviMM | yeah, I did that b4. Erased the config files, reinstalled, changed graphical settings to minimum, compile my own 2.1 CVS version... |
| 13:59.36 | cods | JaviMM: ah.. I saw that on a server recently. Unable to enter the game, while every other server work fines. |
| 14:00.00 | cods | but I don't work what was wrong. |
| 14:00.13 | JaviMM | don't konw if it's that. It hangs on all servers I tried. |
| 14:01.16 | JaviMM | I run the previous BZ w/o problems. Run smooth, but this one just hangs my machine |
| 14:01.23 | cods | what's the exact moment where it hang ? |
| 14:02.10 | JaviMM | just after pressing "i" or right clicking to start playing. Before that it runs fine. I even see the tanks moving on the screen |
| 14:02.59 | JaviMM | (when the message Right-click or press i appears, I mean. The tanks of the players are moving as usual) |
| 14:03.01 | cods | ok, look similar to what I encountered myself. But, again, I don't know what's the problem, sorry. |
| 14:03.20 | JaviMM | ok. Thanks anyway. How did u fix it? |
| 14:03.44 | cods | it was for a particular server (located in japan IIRC) |
| 14:04.00 | JaviMM | ok |
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| 15:03.08 | sgk284 | hello |
| 15:04.52 | bryjen | g'morning |
| 15:07.49 | Nidhoggr | hi sgk284 |
| 15:08.56 | Nidhoggr | any headway on the dns and hostban stuff? |
| 15:09.55 | sgk284 | morning Nidhoggr |
| 15:10.00 | sgk284 | yea, lots of it:) |
| 15:10.09 | sgk284 | a few little kinks being worked out |
| 15:10.23 | Nidhoggr | cool. |
| 15:10.33 | Nidhoggr | let me know when it's safe to download cvs head and compile :) |
| 15:10.51 | sgk284 | k |
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| 15:17.29 | sgk284 | ~seen TimRiker |
| 15:17.31 | ibot | timriker <~timr@TimRiker.active.supporter.pdpc> was last seen on IRC in channel #, 16h 25m 7s ago, saying: '~x en ru this is russian'. |
| 15:18.27 | jpa_ | lallala |
| 15:19.59 | brlcad | ~x en ru lallala |
| 15:20.04 | SportChick | gmorning all |
| 15:20.54 | jpa_ | hello SportChick |
| 15:20.57 | jpa_ | hello brlcad |
| 15:22.51 | |zongo| | ~bzflist |
| 15:23.26 | jpa_ | people still use 1910 a lot |
| 15:23.34 | |zongo| | yup :| |
| 15:23.48 | jpa_ | (btw, how does 0026 come after 1910? :) |
| 15:23.54 | |zongo| | hehe |
| 15:24.19 | |zongo| | gtg, cu l8r all |
| 15:25.29 | Crko | is there a way to get the oldest bzflag? |
| 15:26.04 | jpa_ | oldest? first? |
| 15:27.53 | jpa_ | http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/bzflag/bzflag-1.7c.src.tar.gz?download |
| 15:27.57 | jpa_ | no, not first |
| 15:28.01 | jpa_ | not even near |
| 15:28.05 | jpa_ | but old, anyway :) |
| 15:28.09 | Crko | yes |
| 15:28.12 | Crko | i have this one |
| 15:28.13 | Crko | :P |
| 15:28.21 | jpa_ | :P |
| 15:28.27 | Crko | man i wanna play the oldest one ;) |
| 15:28.39 | Crko | to get the feeling of WWII |
| 15:28.39 | Crko | :P |
| 15:29.10 | jpa_ | :) |
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| 15:29.26 | jpa_ | hmph.. now i want it too :) |
| 15:29.45 | jpa_ | timriker might know :) |
| 15:30.21 | Crko | yes |
| 15:30.33 | Crko | tim where are you? :> |
| 15:30.36 | Crko | :P |
| 15:31.57 | Crko | jpa_, please do tell me if you find out about the old version |
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| 15:36.16 | jpa_ | also, iirc, first versions were not for pc:s but sgi etc.. |
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| 16:01.37 | SportChick | hiya jpa_ |
| 16:01.39 | SportChick | Nidhoggr: ping |
| 16:01.46 | jpa_ | :) |
| 16:01.55 | Nidhoggr | ? |
| 16:02.26 | SportChick | ts asked a question of me - if he made a patch to allow users to use a /get command (which would allow them to see but not change the variable settings, would you run it? |
| 16:02.39 | jpa_ | umm |
| 16:02.44 | jpa_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:02.50 | jpa_ | people can run it without params |
| 16:02.54 | jpa_ | and see the variable |
| 16:03.02 | jpa_ | they do not need permissions |
| 16:03.09 | SportChick | you sure? |
| 16:03.16 | SportChick | he didn't seem to be able to run it |
| 16:03.23 | jpa_ | humm |
| 16:03.39 | Nidhoggr | devs: t-s uploaded a patch that makes it so that a tank can't be killed by it's own GM... can someone look at it? |
| 16:04.05 | SportChick | jpa_: you are correct |
| 16:04.13 | SportChick | I'll let him know when I see him |
| 16:04.27 | Grumbler | hmm, that calls for something |
| 16:04.34 | Grumbler | ~jpa_++ |
| 16:04.39 | t-s | SportChick: I'm reading it now |
| 16:04.45 | SportChick | hehe |
| 16:04.45 | jpa_ | :) |
| 16:04.52 | jpa_ | ~grumbler++ |
| 16:05.01 | SportChick | t-s: I sent it as a memo too |
| 16:05.04 | Nidhoggr | t-s's patch is a server and client thing. |
| 16:05.06 | t-s | Just thought it wouldn't work, because it gives this generic answer |
| 16:05.08 | SportChick | ~karma jpa_ |
| 16:05.08 | ibot | jpa_ has karma of 4 |
| 16:05.12 | SportChick | hehe |
| 16:05.13 | jpa_ | :) |
| 16:05.18 | SportChick | ~jpa_++ |
| 16:05.24 | t-s | ~karma t-s |
| 16:05.24 | ibot | t-s has neutral karma |
| 16:05.29 | jpa_ | ~sprotchick++ |
| 16:05.29 | SportChick | jpa_: isn't it more fun to be nice? :) |
| 16:05.34 | jpa_ | ~sportchick++ |
| 16:05.40 | SportChick | hehe |
| 16:05.45 | SportChick | ~karma sprotchick |
| 16:05.45 | ibot | sprotchick has karma of 1 |
| 16:05.48 | SportChick | hehe |
| 16:05.50 | Nidhoggr | heh |
| 16:06.12 | jpa_ | SportChick: not sure.. i come up with evilnesses.. and i cant use them :) |
| 16:07.05 | SportChick | jpa_: it's MUCH harder (but more rewarding) to come up with NICE funny things |
| 16:07.36 | jpa_ | yes |
| 16:07.39 | t-s | ~sportchick++ |
| 16:07.40 | Thumper_ | so sportchick only likes jpa with his happy-mask on |
| 16:07.42 | SportChick | therefore the ones that are nice and funny are viewed as more creative, more intelligent, and well....nicer |
| 16:07.47 | Thumper_ | that's like 3% of jpa... |
| 16:07.48 | Thumper_ | :) |
| 16:07.49 | SportChick | thumper; yep |
| 16:07.51 | jpa_ | :) |
| 16:08.11 | Thumper_ | oh not the h appy part? |
| 16:08.11 | jpa_ | do i have a good part? |
| 16:08.13 | SportChick | (and hopes the 3% grows) |
| 16:08.14 | Thumper_ | the good part is only 1% |
| 16:08.19 | jpa_ | :D |
| 16:08.29 | jpa_ | Thumper_: 0.56 actually.. |
| 16:08.37 | SportChick | ~karma sportchick |
| 16:08.37 | ibot | sportchick has karma of 58 |
| 16:08.38 | Thumper_ | happy evil jpa is the other 97% |
| 16:09.01 | jpa_ | ~thumper_++ |
| 16:09.06 | Thumper_ | ack! |
| 16:09.26 | jpa_ | SportChick: well.. he made me evil :S |
| 16:09.31 | jpa_ | ~thumper_-- |
| 16:09.40 | SportChick | he did?! |
| 16:09.44 | jpa_ | yes |
| 16:09.45 | SportChick | ~thumper_-- |
| 16:09.52 | Thumper_ | I can see where this is going |
| 16:10.08 | Thumper_ | jpa was already corrupted... |
| 16:10.12 | SportChick | ~jpa_++ |
| 16:10.16 | SportChick | ~jpa--- |
| 16:10.17 | Thumper_ | I just gave me a new medium to express himself in... |
| 16:10.37 | Thumper_ | and he enjoyed torturing bzflag players... |
| 16:10.41 | jpa_ | Thumper_: i did not have this evil grin (:E) |
| 16:10.43 | Thumper_ | it's not _my_ fault |
| 16:10.52 | Thumper_ | true... |
| 16:10.53 | Thumper_ | :E |
| 16:11.11 | Thumper_ | so you evolved a little... |
| 16:11.23 | jpa_ | backwards.. |
| 16:11.35 | cods | ~karma jpa- |
| 16:11.35 | ibot | jpa- has karma of -10 |
| 16:11.48 | Thumper_ | ~karma Thumper_ |
| 16:11.48 | ibot | thumper_ has karma of -1 |
| 16:11.57 | jpa_ | ~karma cods |
| 16:11.57 | ibot | cods has karma of 3 |
| 16:12.07 | Thumper_ | ~cods++ |
| 16:12.19 | jpa_ | ~cods++ |
| 16:12.33 | Thumper_ | for creating bzmap ... he deserves more than just 3... |
| 16:12.35 | Thumper_ | ~cods++ |
| 16:12.53 | jpa_ | ~cods++ |
| 16:13.09 | cods | hehe :) |
| 16:13.10 | jpa_ | ~cods-- |
| 16:13.13 | Thumper_ | lol |
| 16:13.20 | jpa_ | (for planning to make me confused) |
| 16:13.21 | cods | wait next bzmap for some -- :) |
| 16:13.33 | Thumper_ | ok |
| 16:13.40 | Thumper_ | it's still working ATM |
| 16:13.41 | Thumper_ | ~cods++ |
| 16:13.46 | cods | which btw should be renamed one day since it's too close from 'bzmapper' |
| 16:13.53 | SportChick | ~cods++ |
| 16:13.57 | SportChick | ~karma cods |
| 16:13.57 | ibot | cods has karma of 8 |
| 16:14.02 | SportChick | much better |
| 16:14.12 | SportChick | ~karma cods |
| 16:14.12 | ibot | cods has karma of 8 |
| 16:14.15 | SportChick | ~cods++ |
| 16:14.23 | jpa_ | ~cods++ |
| 16:14.30 | cods | bah |
| 16:14.31 | SportChick | ~cods++ |
| 16:14.48 | Nidhoggr | what is bzmap? |
| 16:14.56 | jpa_ | Nidhoggr: nice python script |
| 16:15.02 | Nidhoggr | what does it do? |
| 16:15.08 | jpa_ | Nidhoggr: generates map |
| 16:15.08 | Thumper_ | Python map building toolset |
| 16:15.17 | Nidhoggr | hrm. |
| 16:15.21 | jpa_ | olympics and tuxee 3x3 have been made with it |
| 16:15.28 | Nidhoggr | ah |
| 16:16.01 | jpa_ | Nidhoggr: notepad? :) |
| 16:16.15 | jpa_ | oh.. for mac.. it would be iWrite etc. :) |
| 16:16.15 | cods | bzmap is the oppositie of a wysiwyg editor |
| 16:16.15 | Nidhoggr | did you miss the wysiwyg part? |
| 16:16.20 | cods | opposite |
| 16:16.31 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 16:16.33 | jpa_ | Nidhoggr: you just have to learn to see in bzw :) |
| 16:16.35 | Thumper_ | bzmap is much more flexible... |
| 16:16.44 | t-s | ~karma Nidhoggr++ |
| 16:16.44 | ibot | nidhoggr++ has neutral karma |
| 16:16.57 | t-s | ~Nidhoggr++ |
| 16:17.02 | Nidhoggr | jpa_ I am a simple old guy. :) I am lucky to be able to turn on my computer. |
| 16:17.10 | Nidhoggr | ~karma nidhoggr |
| 16:17.10 | ibot | nidhoggr has karma of 64 |
| 16:17.11 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 16:17.16 | jpa_ | bzmap can be used to make million objects in a few lines :) |
| 16:17.22 | Thumper_ | nidhoggr: don't turn it off... saves you a step |
| 16:17.24 | Nidhoggr | cool |
| 16:17.38 | Nidhoggr | thumper... that's my usual mode of operation. |
| 16:17.38 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 16:17.43 | Thumper_ | mine too |
| 16:18.05 | Thumper_ | then the next step is what cods does... never logs out |
| 16:18.08 | Nidhoggr | my laptop has 6 days uptime. I can just close it and it takes a nap and turns back on within 1 second. :) |
| 16:18.08 | Thumper_ | :) |
| 16:18.35 | t-s | I take mine too suspend to ram whenever I make a short pause, when pausing longer I always turn it off. |
| 16:18.50 | Thumper_ | ~karma cods |
| 16:18.50 | ibot | cods has karma of 11 |
| 16:18.53 | Thumper_ | there that's better. |
| 16:19.02 | Thumper_ | ~karma jpa_ |
| 16:19.02 | ibot | jpa_ has karma of 6 |
| 16:19.10 | Thumper_ | ~karma thumper_ |
| 16:19.10 | ibot | thumper_ has karma of -1 |
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| 16:19.14 | Thumper_ | I can live with that :) |
| 16:19.24 | cods | ~Thumper_++ |
| 16:19.44 | Thumper_ | :) |
| 16:19.58 | cods | neutral karma, how lucky you're.. :) |
| 16:20.30 | jpa_ | ~for nick in ['thumper_' , 'cods'] : nick++ |
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| 16:24.51 | t-s | jpa_: /set _gmActivationTime leads to "[SERVER->] You don't have the permission to run the set command" |
| 16:25.44 | Nidhoggr | and setting gm activation time makes gm more vulnerable to wings. |
| 16:26.29 | t-s | I mean "/set _gmActivationTime". I don't want to set anything |
| 16:26.33 | Nidhoggr | I guess, on the good side, I can put more GMs on with a map with a lot of wings flags. |
| 16:26.39 | brainZzZ | they dont lead in alot of benchmarks |
| 16:27.26 | jpa_ | t-s: use only /set |
| 16:27.34 | jpa_ | t-s: you will see all variable |
| 16:30.07 | t-s | jpa_: That looks like the whole variables in StateDatabase.(cxx|h). A little bit much at once |
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| 16:43.03 | SportyGal | t-s: all resolved? |
| 16:43.45 | t-s | only "/set" works, so all variables are printed out at once. |
| 16:43.52 | SportyGal | yes |
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| 16:44.19 | SportyGal | oh, you wanted to be able to see a single variable? |
| 16:44.20 | SportyGal | hrm |
| 16:44.21 | t-s | doesn't look so good when searching for a specific one |
| 16:44.47 | t-s | I will see if I can patch it but being very busy next two weeks |
| 16:46.04 | Chestal | not sure if it helps you, but CVS now has /diff command which only shows modified variables |
| 16:46.29 | Nidhoggr | hi Chestal |
| 16:47.17 | cods | interesting |
| 16:48.49 | t-s | Chestal: It's about variables on a running server, I guess CVS hasn't to do something with it. |
| 16:49.03 | t-s | err anything |
| 16:49.29 | t-s | or do you mean sources in CVS? |
| 16:49.47 | jpa_ | yes |
| 16:49.49 | jpa_ | :D |
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| 17:49.28 | JeffM2501 | can somone with a regular bzbb account check something for me? |
| 17:50.21 | Thumper_ | JeffM2501 check what? |
| 17:50.40 | JeffM2501 | to see if you have the ability to edit your own posts. |
| 17:50.57 | Thumper_ | hmmm will have to actually post something... :) |
| 17:51.08 | JeffM2501 | you can do it in the test forum |
| 17:51.26 | JeffM2501 | or anyone |
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| 17:52.47 | Thumper_ | You cannot make another post so soon after your last; please try again in a short while. |
| 17:52.54 | Grumbler | You cannot make another post so soon after your last; please try again in a short while. |
| 17:53.00 | JeffM2501 | wait 45 seconds |
| 17:53.10 | Grumbler | grumble grumble grumble |
| 17:53.16 | JeffM2501 | it's the min repost time |
| 17:53.20 | JeffM2501 | to prevent lildogism |
| 17:53.26 | Thumper_ | :) |
| 17:53.31 | kroboto | Legoguy: what is the name of that you are hosting/developing? I'm thinking something like Catacombes |
| 17:53.41 | kroboto | that map* |
| 17:53.45 | Thumper_ | works |
| 17:53.48 | Grumbler | ditto |
| 17:53.52 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 17:54.01 | Thumper_ | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=28554#28554 |
| 17:54.01 | Legoguy | kroboto: caverns |
| 17:54.05 | kroboto | ok |
| 17:54.07 | JeffM2501 | now I can bag on people who don't know how to use the freaking edit button |
| 17:54.16 | JeffM2501 | thanks :) |
| 17:56.50 | Thumper_ | we need to somehow add hills and hull-down shooting and rotating turrets... :) |
| 17:56.59 | JeffM2501 | nope |
| 17:57.05 | JeffM2501 | not in bzflag |
| 17:57.20 | JeffM2501 | your not the first person to sugest that :) |
| 17:57.27 | Thumper_ | didn't think so |
| 17:57.42 | Thumper_ | rotating turrets would be confusing... but really neat |
| 17:57.51 | JeffM2501 | it's not a somehow thing, terrain is a well known system. Tim wishes to keep bzflag simple |
| 17:58.02 | JeffM2501 | you want the branch that jumpman was talking about |
| 17:58.55 | Thumper_ | not that I'm complaining or anything ! :D |
| 17:59.05 | JeffM2501 | I think it would make a good branch |
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| 18:00.02 | Grumbler | so like....opencombat |
| 18:00.35 | JeffM2501 | OC is a bit difrent then what jumpman was talking about |
| 18:00.45 | JeffM2501 | tho OC in it's purest sense is a framework, not a game |
| 18:00.53 | JeffM2501 | I know, I've totaly stalled |
| 18:01.09 | Grumbler | ok, i will put the stick away |
| 18:01.16 | JeffM2501 | I think I just need to work on a network thing with multiple players and shooting, that'll help spur me on |
| 18:01.27 | JeffM2501 | works been rather busy of late too :( |
| 18:02.16 | JeffM2501 | If I can get a simple thing with players and shooting I think that would help generate interest. |
| 18:02.27 | Grumbler | yep |
| 18:02.55 | Grumbler | hmm, wonder what ever happened to the hovercraft, whats-a-ma-doogle was working on |
| 18:03.02 | JeffM2501 | ? |
| 18:04.06 | bryjen | bzfrank's 2501 |
| 18:04.08 | bryjen | ? |
| 18:04.13 | Grumbler | ah, yep, thats it |
| 18:04.33 | Grumbler | he was close to something playable about a year ago |
| 18:04.54 | Grumbler | at least i think thats it |
| 18:05.17 | JeffM2501 | as far as I know he stalled |
| 18:05.45 | JeffM2501 | real world work and stuff |
| 18:05.59 | bryjen | last real post in that forum is Oct 2003 |
| 18:06.15 | JeffM2501 | that's a bit of time |
| 18:06.31 | JeffM2501 | I think he could have goten a lot further if he had more help tho |
| 18:06.39 | JeffM2501 | he sent me code at the end, but it was way funky |
| 18:06.43 | JeffM2501 | it woudl NOT build for me |
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| 18:07.29 | JeffM2501 | that's why I think if I start realy simple, then get more into it, the codebase could still be chanageble at the begining, so it would not end up all fulgy in the end |
| 18:07.50 | bryjen | there was some part, the net or auth stuff (?) , that he wasn't distributing source to, iirc |
| 18:07.58 | JeffM2501 | auth |
| 18:08.01 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 18:08.07 | JeffM2501 | like a crypto module |
| 18:08.21 | JeffM2501 | I want to do auth and chat over IRC |
| 18:08.26 | JeffM2501 | so there is no auth client code |
| 18:08.36 | JeffM2501 | and an authorative server |
| 18:08.36 | Nidhoggr | can someone take a look at t-s's patch and see if it's something that I want to allow on my server? it makes tank's own GM not kill it. |
| 18:08.55 | Nidhoggr | and is it something we want to merge with head? |
| 18:08.58 | JeffM2501 | Nidhoggr, are you unhappy with the activate time being set to 0.5? |
| 18:09.14 | JeffM2501 | cus all it realy does is let you set the time to like 0 |
| 18:09.21 | JeffM2501 | so GM can kill stuff right on top of it |
| 18:09.26 | Nidhoggr | jeffm... apparently somone demonstrated that it kills them even on .5 |
| 18:09.31 | bryjen | it used to work that way. someone changed it in tweaking the activation timer |
| 18:09.44 | JeffM2501 | I don't realy like his patch |
| 18:09.49 | JeffM2501 | I'd rather see a self kill time |
| 18:09.54 | JeffM2501 | that is sepertea |
| 18:09.57 | Nidhoggr | yeah. |
| 18:10.09 | Nidhoggr | a solution is needed, though. |
| 18:10.09 | JeffM2501 | like a activate time of 0.125 and a self kill time of 1 |
| 18:10.15 | cods | ~dict sepertea |
| 18:10.18 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 18:10.25 | JeffM2501 | seperate cods |
| 18:10.37 | cods | oh |
| 18:10.38 | JeffM2501 | I can't type and everyone knows it :) |
| 18:10.47 | blast007 | does it prevent you from killing yourself when shooting a GM into a reverse teleporter? (one that just shoots it back out) |
| 18:10.55 | cods | I first read it as 'supertea' :) |
| 18:11.00 | t-s | Nidhoggr: I was capable of killing me with _gmActivationTime 0.5, too |
| 18:11.14 | JeffM2501 | as far as I know with his patch your not cable of killing yourself at ALL with your own GM |
| 18:11.22 | Nidhoggr | then the gm activation time is not a viable solution. |
| 18:11.25 | JeffM2501 | t-s why not make another time. |
| 18:11.28 | blast007 | ah, that's what I was thinking |
| 18:11.32 | JeffM2501 | a self kill time |
| 18:11.35 | JeffM2501 | that would solve it |
| 18:11.43 | blast007 | well even that would have issues |
| 18:11.44 | t-s | JeffM2501: Why not at the same location as the SW-check? |
| 18:11.54 | bryjen | http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/bzflag/bzflag/src/bzflag/GuidedMissleStrategy.cxx?r1=1.22&r2=1.23 |
| 18:12.15 | blast007 | if you are right in front of the teleporter and shoot through, the timeout might not trigger by the time the missile is behind you |
| 18:12.41 | t-s | JeffM2501: Server admin can control whether GM can kill itself |
| 18:13.22 | JeffM2501 | t-s, yeah but your an all or none thing right? |
| 18:13.28 | JeffM2501 | why not make it another timer? |
| 18:13.32 | bryjen | it used to be a self kill time. and that was brlcad's change |
| 18:13.40 | Grumbler | why not just get rid of GM.......and wings.......lets keep it simple ;) |
| 18:13.48 | bryjen | !lart Grumbler |
| 18:13.51 | JeffM2501 | why not add giant robots! |
| 18:13.57 | bryjen | heh. how apt. |
| 18:14.16 | t-s | Why no ST + CL-flags? |
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| 18:14.45 | bryjen | !seen brlcad |
| 18:14.45 | guu | bryjen: brlcad was last seen here 2 hours, 54 minutes, and 45 seconds ago saying: <brlcad> ~x en ru lallala |
| 18:14.49 | Grumbler | ...and do we really need to fill/shade the tanks......lets just work with wire frames |
| 18:14.59 | blast007 | t-s: cuz how would you defend yourself against that, besides finding a Seer? |
| 18:15.24 | t-s | blast007: I didn't meant that serious |
| 18:15.30 | blast007 | oh ;) |
| 18:15.32 | blast007 | hehe |
| 18:15.39 | Grumbler | ~lart blast007 for being too serious |
| 18:15.46 | blast007 | lol |
| 18:16.01 | bryjen | is it green or amber? ;) |
| 18:16.47 | JeffM2501 | to me 2 timers seems to make sense |
| 18:16.58 | jpa_ | hmm.. |
| 18:17.00 | JeffM2501 | one for "lock and kill others" and one for "can kill me" |
| 18:17.19 | jpa_ | why don't we have a flag that allows to pick up a second flag? ,) |
| 18:17.40 | JeffM2501 | jpa_, cus the interface, controlls, and game are not set up for that. |
| 18:17.42 | blast007 | the only time I've killed myself with GM is when my FPS was in the single digits... |
| 18:17.52 | t-s | JeffM2501: So a GM is supposed to turn into opposite direction after 0.5 seconds flying forward? |
| 18:18.11 | JeffM2501 | t-s, no, it has a lock cone, so if your behind it your safe |
| 18:18.18 | bryjen | GM has a larger collision area to compensate for its wider range of motion. |
| 18:18.20 | JeffM2501 | but if it goes thru a reverse teleporter |
| 18:18.33 | jpa_ | JeffM2501: and second flag wouldnt do any good if the firstone just allows to pick second one :) |
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| 18:18.37 | JeffM2501 | and YOU get in it's lock area, yes it's supostd to kill you |
| 18:18.43 | Grumbler | bryjen< so why cant that area be resized after a time |
| 18:18.46 | JeffM2501 | jpa_, then your idea is just stupid :) |
| 18:19.02 | jpa_ | dont take too serious |
| 18:19.06 | jpa_ | i had this ,) :) |
| 18:19.08 | JeffM2501 | t-s, there are a number of situations that can cause YOU to be validly killed by your own GM |
| 18:19.16 | JeffM2501 | jpa_, I had a :) |
| 18:19.31 | jpa_ | ~lart JeffM2501 for duplicating blast007's mistakes |
| 18:19.37 | bryjen | Grumbler: dunno. i'm not sure that statement is completely correct. |
| 18:19.38 | JeffM2501 | t-s, so a simple on/off isn't enough |
| 18:19.49 | t-s | JeffM2501: I think it is very rare... |
| 18:19.59 | JeffM2501 | not with teleporters |
| 18:20.09 | JeffM2501 | it's common with "mirror" teleporters |
| 18:20.10 | t-s | and without teleporters? |
| 18:20.21 | JeffM2501 | with out Telepoters it is more rare |
| 18:20.27 | JeffM2501 | but you have to take all cases into accout |
| 18:20.34 | JeffM2501 | 2 timers allows it to be set for all cases |
| 18:20.36 | bryjen | I do agree that the delay time to fix the self-kill seems kludgish. and hiding the kludge behind the "well, its got an arming delay" after-the-fact-reasoning is even worse |
| 18:21.06 | JeffM2501 | yeah if we are going to kludge, then it shoudl be a single clean kludge :) |
| 18:21.12 | JeffM2501 | one timer for the kludge |
| 18:21.26 | JeffM2501 | one for the lock time |
| 18:21.28 | Grumbler | has the feeling of a big kluge |
| 18:21.31 | t-s | JeffM2501: Can you name me a situation without teleporters where it should happen? |
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| 18:21.49 | JeffM2501 | fire GM, drop GM, get HS, go infront of your shot |
| 18:21.50 | jpa_ | bryjen: hehe is not a verb :) |
| 18:22.02 | Grumbler | look at that, mention kluge, and here comes MrTim |
| 18:22.09 | jpa_ | tim! |
| 18:22.19 | t-s | HS? |
| 18:22.26 | JeffM2501 | sorry |
| 18:22.26 | JeffM2501 | V |
| 18:22.26 | Grumbler | high speed |
| 18:22.27 | JeffM2501 | high spped |
| 18:22.36 | jpa_ | TimRiker: Crko wanted to know where can we get first bzflag from? :) |
| 18:22.50 | JeffM2501 | first? |
| 18:23.01 | JeffM2501 | as in the oldest bzflag? |
| 18:23.05 | Crko | yes |
| 18:23.13 | JeffM2501 | the oldest open source is on SF |
| 18:23.22 | JeffM2501 | older ones of that would be on the SGI demo CDs |
| 18:23.28 | JeffM2501 | just binarys |
| 18:23.30 | JeffM2501 | no source |
| 18:23.46 | t-s | Hmm, but then we need to look whether flag changed and not setting an additional timer, if I am correct |
| 18:23.53 | Crko | oh... |
| 18:23.57 | Crko | too bad.. |
| 18:24.01 | JeffM2501 | t-s, why not just have 2 timers all the time. |
| 18:24.06 | JeffM2501 | it's not a hidernance |
| 18:24.10 | JeffM2501 | and it solves the problems |
| 18:24.16 | JeffM2501 | just say if you don't want to do it |
| 18:24.26 | JeffM2501 | Crko, bzflag was not open source till 1.7 |
| 18:24.36 | JeffM2501 | and didn't run on windows till then ether. |
| 18:24.43 | Crko | yes.. |
| 18:24.50 | t-s | JeffM2501: I managed it to shoot me even the activation time was 0.5 |
| 18:25.02 | JeffM2501 | t-s, I don't think you GET what I'm saying |
| 18:25.05 | JeffM2501 | add a new timer |
| 18:25.07 | t-s | no teleporters or changed flags involved |
| 18:25.08 | JeffM2501 | for self kills |
| 18:25.10 | JeffM2501 | set it to 1 |
| 18:25.12 | Crko | i would need a source or a binary for linux :/ |
| 18:25.16 | JeffM2501 | set your activate time to 0 |
| 18:25.24 | JeffM2501 | then you kill others with WG that are on top of you |
| 18:25.33 | JeffM2501 | but you can't kill yourself for 1 second |
| 18:25.36 | blast007 | t-s: what was your frame rate when you shot yourself? |
| 18:25.39 | t-s | I see |
| 18:25.41 | JeffM2501 | that gets the shot out of the way |
| 18:25.51 | JeffM2501 | then it's adjustable per server situation |
| 18:25.53 | t-s | blast007: 0 |
| 18:25.59 | JeffM2501 | some may want self kills on GM's closer |
| 18:26.07 | blast007 | heh, 0? nice... |
| 18:26.11 | JeffM2501 | some may WANT a 0.5 activate time, to make WG be deadly to GM |
| 18:26.32 | JeffM2501 | t-s, low frame rate is NOT a valid case to plan for |
| 18:26.39 | JeffM2501 | get a real video card :) |
| 18:26.50 | t-s | blast007: When hard disk begins to re-spin graphics hang |
| 18:26.58 | JeffM2501 | it's safe to asume thateveryone has about 15fps |
| 18:27.02 | blast007 | that seems to be a standard problem for when this bug occurs |
| 18:27.08 | blast007 | low FPS |
| 18:27.12 | JeffM2501 | many bad things happen at low FPS |
| 18:27.16 | blast007 | never happens otherwise |
| 18:27.19 | JeffM2501 | cus the internal sim only runs at FPS |
| 18:27.31 | JeffM2501 | you can go 'thru' small objects at realy low fps |
| 18:27.37 | t-s | could it be because BZFlag is not multithreaded? |
| 18:27.41 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 18:27.51 | JeffM2501 | it's because of the granularity of the simulation |
| 18:28.07 | JeffM2501 | siming more the frame rate is a waste for most systmems |
| 18:28.16 | JeffM2501 | it just needs to break it's calcs up more |
| 18:28.40 | t-s | JeffM2501: If I make a second time would the patch jump into 2.0.1? |
| 18:28.46 | JeffM2501 | well it needs to have it's inernal state detached from the display, so it can be run at any timing. |
| 18:28.52 | JeffM2501 | t-s, maybe |
| 18:29.06 | JeffM2501 | it would be a beter solution |
| 18:29.11 | JeffM2501 | so more would be willing to use it |
| 18:29.13 | t-s | Or waiting until next protocol change? |
| 18:29.36 | JeffM2501 | it woudl change behavor, so yes you would not want to mix old and new clients. |
| 18:29.51 | JeffM2501 | so it would be in 2.1.0 |
| 18:30.00 | JeffM2501 | the dev for 2.2 |
| 18:30.12 | JeffM2501 | 2.0.1 is the dev for 2.0.2 |
| 18:30.26 | t-s | JeffM2501: I want the patch as soon as possible... |
| 18:30.34 | JeffM2501 | then use your patch |
| 18:30.43 | JeffM2501 | just don't expect it to go live |
| 18:31.22 | JeffM2501 | since its a client change, you can't asume everyone has it |
| 18:31.38 | JeffM2501 | so the only way to asume that is on the next proto break, aka 2.1.x |
| 18:32.17 | t-s | When is 2.1.0 planned? I know it can't be said serious but when is it expected... |
| 18:32.27 | JeffM2501 | nothing is ever expected |
| 18:32.46 | Tupone | if you just use for your-self in 2.0.x I 'd assume you're cheating |
| 18:32.49 | JeffM2501 | don't think we've even taged the code as at 2.0 branch for 2.0.x dev |
| 18:33.08 | JeffM2501 | yeah anyone with your patch has a difrent behvor then a "stock" client |
| 18:33.09 | t-s | How long did the last protocol change lasted? |
| 18:33.23 | JeffM2501 | 1.10 was the last major release with a difrent protcoll |
| 18:33.29 | JeffM2501 | every major has a new protocoll |
| 18:33.40 | JeffM2501 | that's one of the things that defines a "major" release |
| 18:33.50 | JeffM2501 | aka if it's not compatable |
| 18:33.52 | t-s | JeffM2501: I mean the timeframe |
| 18:34.00 | JeffM2501 | t-s, you live with it |
| 18:34.15 | JeffM2501 | unless you can change the past |
| 18:34.18 | JeffM2501 | can you change the past? |
| 18:34.34 | t-s | Tupone: That's what I don't want. :-/ |
| 18:35.09 | JeffM2501 | from a historical standpoint it seems that each major release takes about a year ( a little more then a year these days ) |
| 18:35.31 | t-s | JeffM2501: Finally :-) |
| 18:35.37 | Tupone | I know, just to fix the "then you use your patch" |
| 18:35.49 | JeffM2501 | but that does not mean that we plan them on that timeframe |
| 18:36.02 | JeffM2501 | they just seem to happen about ever 12 to 18 months |
| 18:36.22 | JeffM2501 | yeah use your patch, and deal with being called a cheater |
| 18:37.09 | JeffM2501 | I mean if you REALY want, I'll tag head as a 2.0 branch, bump proto and apply your patch. |
| 18:37.15 | JeffM2501 | that won't DO anything for you |
| 18:37.21 | JeffM2501 | but if it makes you feel better |
| 18:40.00 | t-s | Just to make sure I know the right current state: http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/bzflag/bzflag/src/bzflag/GuidedMissleStrategy.cxx?r1=1.22&r2=1.23 is in 2.0 |
| 18:40.18 | JeffM2501 | are you checking out from HEAD? |
| 18:41.10 | t-s | JeffM2501: Don't understand. Has it something to do with CVS? |
| 18:41.14 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 18:41.20 | JeffM2501 | where did you get your code? |
| 18:41.35 | JeffM2501 | current rev of tha file is rev 2.2 |
| 18:41.44 | JeffM2501 | not 1.23 |
| 18:41.53 | JeffM2501 | major rev was bumped at 2.0 |
| 18:42.02 | JeffM2501 | you want to be using the latest from CVS |
| 18:42.42 | t-s | I used following command: cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/bzflag login;cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/bzflag co -P bzflag |
| 18:43.14 | t-s | but I asked whether it has gone into 2.0 STABLE |
| 18:43.28 | bryjen | that change was before 2.0, there were a couple more after it |
| 18:43.47 | bryjen | one more |
| 18:44.20 | JeffM2501 | if you want the code as it was at the 2.0 release get v2_0_0 for the tag |
| 18:44.23 | t-s | brjen: Thanks |
| 18:44.35 | JeffM2501 | no tag gets you head |
| 18:44.43 | JeffM2501 | aka the current 2.0.1 code |
| 18:44.49 | jpa_ | humm |
| 18:44.50 | JeffM2501 | that would be released as 2.0.2 |
| 18:45.14 | JeffM2501 | if a bug fix release was ever released |
| 18:45.18 | t-s | JeffM2501: I don't know only little about CVS |
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| 18:46.04 | t-s | JeffM2501: I know only little about CVS |
| 18:46.33 | JeffM2501 | time to learn then :) |
| 18:46.41 | JeffM2501 | if your gonna be making patches :) |
| 18:47.59 | t-s | JeffM2501: I want to donate code in my free time because I will profit from it as well |
| 18:48.17 | JeffM2501 | a good reason to make patches |
| 18:48.19 | JeffM2501 | CVS isn't hard |
| 18:48.26 | JeffM2501 | there are just tags |
| 18:48.46 | JeffM2501 | but your change, changes behavor, so it can't be applied to any 2.0.x version |
| 18:49.03 | JeffM2501 | since we can't make sure that everyone has the same 2.0.x version |
| 18:49.14 | JeffM2501 | because they are all compatable ( that's what mkes them 2.0.x ) |
| 18:49.16 | t-s | That's clear |
| 18:49.37 | t-s | suggestions for the new timer name? |
| 18:49.38 | JeffM2501 | so for your patch, to get it added, I'd build it from CVS head |
| 18:49.51 | JeffM2501 | somthing with selfKill in it |
| 18:50.22 | t-s | How to access CVS head? |
| 18:50.35 | JeffM2501 | the way you were doing it |
| 18:50.36 | JeffM2501 | is head |
| 18:50.46 | JeffM2501 | you get head when you don't specify a tag with -r |
| 18:52.25 | t-s | Hmm, -r is described as making new working files read-only in manpage, nothing about head |
| 18:52.33 | brainZzZ | Microsoft still knows nothing about copy protection.. I am insanely happy at least until SP3 comes out.. bai! |
| 18:52.37 | JeffM2501 | maybe it's -R |
| 18:52.39 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 18:52.45 | JeffM2501 | I never use the actual command line app :) |
| 18:53.03 | JeffM2501 | t-s, and it's -r on the co command NOT the cvs command |
| 18:53.28 | t-s | I hate CVS... |
| 18:53.36 | t-s | at least I begin to |
| 18:53.46 | JeffM2501 | what OS do you use? |
| 18:53.59 | Crko | how do you get ChanServ to join a channel? |
| 18:54.00 | t-s | Mac OS X 10.3.7 |
| 18:54.10 | JeffM2501 | Crko, you ask it |
| 18:54.18 | JeffM2501 | Crko, /msg chanserv help |
| 18:54.31 | JeffM2501 | t-s, ahh can't help you then |
| 18:54.34 | Crko | yes and... which command |
| 18:54.41 | JeffM2501 | it's one of the set |
| 18:54.45 | JeffM2501 | you set guard to on |
| 18:54.46 | Crko | ok |
| 18:54.47 | Crko | thanks |
| 18:54.49 | JeffM2501 | or something like that |
| 18:54.57 | t-s | JeffM2501: It's like any other UNIX on command line |
| 18:55.01 | JeffM2501 | I know |
| 18:55.07 | JeffM2501 | that's why I can't help you :) |
| 18:55.11 | JeffM2501 | no tort for you :) |
| 18:55.11 | brainZzZ | Like any other. |
| 18:55.24 | bryjen | JeffM2501 is a clickey Windows person ;) |
| 18:55.37 | Grumbler | JeffM2501 has visit MrGates in the twilight zone too often |
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| 18:55.39 | JeffM2501 | hey I own a mac now |
| 18:55.48 | *** part/#bzflag DarthValou (~none@lsn-boi-catv-c114-p158.vtx.ch) |
| 18:55.49 | JeffM2501 | and not 1 but 2 linux machines |
| 18:55.52 | Grumbler | is it turned on |
| 18:55.56 | JeffM2501 | the windows machine is now outnumberd |
| 18:56.06 | t-s | brjen: "Windows" doesn't mean clicking. Mac OS + Mac OS X mean clicking... |
| 18:56.08 | JeffM2501 | the only system on right now at home has debian on it |
| 18:56.30 | JeffM2501 | they need to make tort for gnome and aqua |
| 18:56.34 | Grumbler | sarge? |
| 18:56.38 | JeffM2501 | then CVS will suck a lot less |
| 18:56.44 | brainZzZ | THEY NEED TO MAKE A 30 MIN HOME AIDS TEST KIT, THAT WOULD CURE AIDS. |
| 18:56.53 | bryjen | uhm? |
| 18:56.57 | JeffM2501 | brainZzZ, umm please shut up |
| 18:57.02 | brainZzZ | oh shut up ccripy |
| 18:57.30 | JeffM2501 | where do you idiots come from? |
| 18:57.51 | t-s | ~karma brainZzZ |
| 18:57.51 | ibot | brainzzz has neutral karma |
| 18:57.54 | brainZzZ | t-s said the same thing |
| 18:57.58 | brainZzZ | arakasi's pc has neutral karma |
| 18:58.47 | JeffM2501 | yeah yeah it would |
| 19:00.32 | Grumbler | ...too much nutella then eh Pimponnulla |
| 19:01.33 | Pimponnulla | i was granted this new name by DarthValor |
| 19:01.36 | Pimponnulla | ;) |
| 19:03.58 | sgk284 | JeffM2501, i've got a person next to me asking if there is an easy way for him to transfer a file over ssh using windows... do you know of any? i.e. does windows support sftp? |
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| 19:04.44 | Pimponnulla | sgk284: no |
| 19:04.44 | sgk284 | k |
| 19:04.44 | Pimponnulla | winscp |
| 19:04.44 | sgk284 | well looks like cygwin it is |
| 19:04.44 | Pimponnulla | is the program in question |
| 19:04.44 | Pimponnulla | yes, too |
| 19:04.49 | sgk284 | okay |
| 19:04.51 | sgk284 | thanks |
| 19:05.26 | Pimponnulla | or putty of course |
| 19:05.55 | Pimponnulla | filezilla nows sftp iirc |
| 19:06.02 | sgk284 | oh good:) |
| 19:06.03 | Grumbler | ditto the recommendation for winscp |
| 19:06.30 | kroboto | quick question, what would cause spawns above 3000 in a map regardless of any 'zone' settings? |
| 19:07.02 | sgk284 | kroboto, people spawning 3000 meters in the air? |
| 19:07.07 | kroboto | yes |
| 19:07.29 | Grumbler | maybe you have a stray object in the map file |
| 19:07.38 | bryjen | if it can't find a safe place, it may go to a random x and y, and the maximum Z |
| 19:07.48 | sgk284 | yea Grumbler is probably right |
| 19:07.55 | Grumbler | is it safe? |
| 19:07.56 | sgk284 | or bryjen |
| 19:08.03 | sgk284 | bryjen, but above 3000? |
| 19:08.10 | sgk284 | seems a bit high |
| 19:08.12 | t-s | HeffM2501: What does GMADLIFE do? |
| 19:08.20 | t-s | JeffM2501: What does GMADLIFE do? |
| 19:08.24 | JeffM2501 | sgk284, totaly |
| 19:08.45 | JeffM2501 | sgk284, pscp, or the graphical ssh toolkit |
| 19:08.47 | kroboto | there are lots of safe places below and at around 100 |
| 19:08.54 | JeffM2501 | is windows the server or the client? |
| 19:08.57 | sgk284 | JeffM2501, thanks |
| 19:09.03 | sgk284 | windows is the client |
| 19:09.08 | sgk284 | solaris is the server |
| 19:09.14 | kroboto | Grumbler: define |
| 19:09.17 | JeffM2501 | command line or graphincal you want? |
| 19:09.23 | kroboto | stray object |
| 19:09.25 | bryjen | src/bzfs/SpawnPosition.cxx around line 100 |
| 19:09.38 | bryjen | pos[2] = maxWorldHeight; |
| 19:09.39 | sgk284 | whichever works better |
| 19:09.45 | JeffM2501 | they work the same |
| 19:09.54 | JeffM2501 | shh isn't an OS thing |
| 19:09.58 | JeffM2501 | it's an appication thing |
| 19:09.59 | sgk284 | yea i know |
| 19:10.01 | sgk284 | :) |
| 19:10.08 | bryjen | it looks for a random spot for so long and then gives up |
| 19:10.14 | JeffM2501 | looking for it now |
| 19:10.15 | JeffM2501 | one sec |
| 19:10.18 | sgk284 | but i thought maybe he could just do sftp://user@host in explorere or something |
| 19:10.25 | JeffM2501 | ftp://ftp.ssh.org/pub/ssh/SSHSecureShellClient-3.2.9.exe |
| 19:10.27 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 19:10.31 | JeffM2501 | IE does not do it |
| 19:10.32 | JeffM2501 | use that |
| 19:10.33 | Grumbler | kroboto< a small object in the map file, ie, block/spawn zone/etc.....that maybe small so it cant be seen, but is there.....but a quick grep of the file would find it...... |
| 19:10.34 | sgk284 | awesome, thanks |
| 19:10.44 | JeffM2501 | it's a set of file and shell tools |
| 19:10.49 | JeffM2501 | it's all I use |
| 19:10.58 | JeffM2501 | tho putty is nice for shell |
| 19:11.00 | kroboto | k |
| 19:11.14 | jpa_ | hmm |
| 19:11.26 | jpa_ | is this viper in bzflag real viper? |
| 19:11.35 | jpa_ | or just someone using the same callsign |
| 19:12.34 | kroboto | Grumbler: it did't like my 'zone' appearently. |
| 19:12.59 | Grumbler | nice to know, thanks for the feedback |
| 19:13.28 | Grumbler | kroboto< what exactly didnt it like about it |
| 19:14.08 | kroboto | Grumbler: not sure. just removed it. |
| 19:14.32 | Grumbler | how was it defined......would like to have a reference |
| 19:14.39 | kroboto | is there a way to make a mesh not sticky? |
| 19:14.55 | jpa_ | humm |
| 19:15.01 | kroboto | it was like this zone |
| 19:15.01 | kroboto | position 0 0 100 |
| 19:15.01 | kroboto | size 300 300 200 |
| 19:15.01 | kroboto | rotation 0 |
| 19:15.01 | kroboto | team 0 1 2 3 4 |
| 19:15.02 | kroboto | safety 1 2 3 4 |
| 19:15.04 | kroboto | end |
| 19:15.07 | jpa_ | horisontal faces are not sticky |
| 19:15.13 | t-s | night |
| 19:15.18 | jpa_ | everything else is |
| 19:15.21 | JeffM2501 | kroboto, what do you want to happen when you hit one? |
| 19:15.22 | jpa_ | night t-s |
| 19:15.41 | jpa_ | JeffM2501: |
| 19:15.44 | jpa_ | hm |
| 19:15.46 | jpa_ | JeffM2501: ? |
| 19:15.58 | JeffM2501 | what does he want to hapen when he hits a mesh |
| 19:16.02 | JeffM2501 | so it's not "sticky" |
| 19:16.06 | jpa_ | oh |
| 19:16.19 | jpa_ | he wants to driver up non-horisontal faces, i think |
| 19:16.22 | kroboto | ok, i have a tele on a box that comes out on a mesh. i can't go through from box to mesh |
| 19:16.23 | Grumbler | probable wants it to slide off |
| 19:16.23 | JeffM2501 | the default behavor is to act like a pyramid |
| 19:16.42 | JeffM2501 | you can define a pyhsics driver that will move you a difrent way |
| 19:16.59 | JeffM2501 | then just have the driver push you off the face a smidge |
| 19:17.35 | jpa_ | kroboto: oh |
| 19:17.40 | jpa_ | kroboto: that is a bug |
| 19:17.53 | jpa_ | kroboto: make the source-tele z-coord -0.01 |
| 19:17.57 | jpa_ | it fixes it |
| 19:18.04 | jpa_ | but might cause more problems |
| 19:18.19 | kroboto | both surfaces are flat. in fact, it is spirals map elevated and i want it to look like it is not. |
| 19:18.38 | jpa_ | (we can't fix the bug, because it would make clients behave differently |
| 19:18.41 | kroboto | ie. an artificail ground with tunnels |
| 19:18.49 | brainZzZ | It would make me nervous to have someone cleaning too much. |
| 19:19.44 | JeffM2501 | jpa_, you can fix it, just not in 2.0.x |
| 19:20.09 | jpa_ | JeffM2501: it is trepans job to fix it, he said "it would be easy" |
| 19:20.14 | jpa_ | and yes, that is what i ment |
| 19:20.23 | JeffM2501 | somone should tag soon |
| 19:20.47 | JeffM2501 | if it hasn't been done so allready |
| 19:20.57 | jpa_ | this game starts to feel like those commercial ones :) |
| 19:21.03 | JeffM2501 | hah |
| 19:21.05 | JeffM2501 | hardly |
| 19:21.15 | jpa_ | i'd say this is the most buggy release of bzflag i've seen :) |
| 19:21.16 | JeffM2501 | you don't get out much do you ? :) |
| 19:22.58 | jpa_ | (poor JeffM2501 already thought i ment bzflag had as good graphics as commercial games etc. :) |
| 19:23.06 | JeffM2501 | I meant in any way :) |
| 19:23.10 | JeffM2501 | not just graphics |
| 19:23.17 | JeffM2501 | code, testing, bugs, all of it |
| 19:23.22 | jpa_ | hm :) |
| 19:23.29 | JeffM2501 | player base |
| 19:23.32 | JeffM2501 | design |
| 19:23.41 | JeffM2501 | number of frogs |
| 19:23.45 | sgk284 | lol |
| 19:23.49 | jpa_ | money devs get.. |
| 19:24.15 | sgk284 | this release was disturbingly a little buggy, but thats what 2.0.2 is for :) |
| 19:24.17 | jpa_ | hello sgk284 |
| 19:24.22 | sgk284 | hey jpa_! |
| 19:24.30 | JeffM2501 | there were many big changes, and little testing |
| 19:24.33 | JeffM2501 | relitivly |
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| 19:24.37 | JeffM2501 | for the size of the changes |
| 19:24.41 | JeffM2501 | so it makes sense |
| 19:24.44 | jpa_ | yes |
| 19:24.45 | sgk284 | yea, a lot of core "infastructure" changed |
| 19:24.53 | sgk284 | or was extended |
| 19:25.17 | jpa_ | i remember some microsoft demo i used to play.. it had tanks and helicopters and stuff.. |
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| 19:25.43 | JeffM2501 | flight simulator 2000? |
| 19:25.54 | jpa_ | no |
| 19:26.18 | jpa_ | before 2000 must it have been.. |
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| 19:28.55 | jpa_ | too bad i can't remember the name |
| 19:31.31 | JeffM2501 | I remember one where you flew a plane around and shot up all sorts of stuff |
| 19:31.39 | JeffM2501 | fast action game, came with 95 |
| 19:32.05 | jpa_ | nah.. |
| 19:32.08 | Nidhoggr | yay, JeffM2501 has powers now! |
| 19:32.10 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 19:32.21 | sgk284 | hey nid |
| 19:32.25 | Nidhoggr | hi sgk284 |
| 19:32.27 | JeffM2501 | so I do |
| 19:32.29 | Nidhoggr | just got back from lunch |
| 19:32.36 | jpa_ | in this one, you could have many tanks in your team, drive one and have others follow and help you |
| 19:32.39 | Nidhoggr | and had the new chantico thing at starbucks. |
| 19:32.45 | Nidhoggr | it's an evil thing. |
| 19:32.47 | JeffM2501 | jpa_, battlezone2? |
| 19:32.48 | jpa_ | realtime strategy, i think |
| 19:33.02 | JeffM2501 | kinda like you were on the moon |
| 19:33.04 | JeffM2501 | and mars? |
| 19:33.12 | jpa_ | checking.. |
| 19:33.29 | JeffM2501 | activision remade batlezone into something that was more RTS |
| 19:33.33 | JeffM2501 | then made a "2" |
| 19:33.44 | jpa_ | nah, no |
| 19:33.47 | PrezKennedy | the first one they did was great |
| 19:34.00 | Nidhoggr | I want one of those controller sets like the old battlezone vid game. |
| 19:34.00 | JeffM2501 | and MS was the publisher? |
| 19:34.13 | jpa_ | i think so |
| 19:34.23 | jpa_ | i'm not 100% sure, but about 95% :) |
| 19:34.41 | JeffM2501 | Nidhoggr, you mean like this? http://www.capcom.com/newsletter/sb.jpg |
| 19:35.00 | jpa_ | i remember it came on a demo cd, age of empires, that one and some third game.. |
| 19:35.19 | Crko | is there a way to count shots that one makes? |
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| 19:35.37 | Nidhoggr | wow |
| 19:35.38 | Nidhoggr | cool |
| 19:36.05 | JeffM2501 | it's for xbox, so it's USB |
| 19:36.11 | JeffM2501 | some were working on PC drivers for it |
| 19:36.19 | JeffM2501 | I'll be scanline coudl bust em out :) |
| 19:36.41 | JeffM2501 | $200 for a game kinda sucked |
| 19:37.09 | JeffM2501 | tho the controller had an eject button too, if you got hit and didn't eject, you died, and it wiped out your save game |
| 19:37.40 | Nidhoggr | heh |
| 19:37.44 | JeffM2501 | added a bit to the game |
| 19:37.47 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 19:38.17 | Pimponnulla | jpa_: which viper? |
| 19:39.12 | jpa_ | Pimponnulla: umm.. "viper" :) |
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| 19:40.31 | Pimponnulla | jpa_: you asked for a "viper in bzflag" |
| 19:40.39 | Pimponnulla | where did u see the one? |
| 19:40.51 | Pimponnulla | there r a lot of vipers around |
| 19:41.01 | jpa_ | Pimponnulla: hmm.. |
| 19:41.18 | jpa_ | Pimponnulla: i have seen "viper" on many servers |
| 19:41.50 | jpa_ | i just wondered if he was the real one (the one i have seen plays bad and curses all the time :) |
| 19:42.27 | Pimponnulla | i don't think the viper who gave name to viper.pimpi.org is playing lately |
| 19:42.53 | jpa_ | ok |
| 19:45.40 | jpa_ | oh |
| 19:45.44 | jpa_ | now i remember! |
| 19:45.57 | jpa_ | it was urban assault :) |
| 19:46.36 | sgk284 | heh |
| 19:47.22 | jpa_ | if bzflag was like that.... :P~~~ |
| 19:48.30 | sgk284 | jpa |
| 19:48.40 | sgk284 | pathes welcome :) |
| 19:48.45 | sgk284 | ugh messed that one up |
| 19:48.54 | sgk284 | patches welcome :) |
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| 19:50.12 | jpa_ | sgk284 :D |
| 19:51.34 | jpa_ | http://www.5rocks.com/smartcomputing/library/Games/Windows/images/HoverScreen.JPG |
| 19:51.38 | jpa_ | also :P |
| 19:52.57 | sgk284 | yuck |
| 19:53.16 | jpa_ | not much different from bzflag :) |
| 19:53.36 | jpa_ | (ok, getting devs mad, arent i? :) |
| 19:53.43 | sgk284 | lol nah |
| 19:54.10 | sgk284 | ~jpa_-- |
| 19:54.13 | sgk284 | ;) |
| 19:54.18 | jpa_ | :( |
| 19:54.20 | sgk284 | ~karma jpa_ |
| 19:54.20 | ibot | jpa_ has karma of 5 |
| 19:54.23 | sgk284 | ~karma jpa |
| 19:54.23 | ibot | jpa has karma of 2 |
| 19:54.26 | sgk284 | ~karma jpa- |
| 19:54.26 | ibot | jpa- has karma of -10 |
| 19:54.29 | sgk284 | heh |
| 19:54.37 | sgk284 | ~karma sgk284 |
| 19:54.37 | ibot | sgk284 has karma of 38 |
| 19:54.37 | jpa_ | ~sgk284++ |
| 19:54.45 | sgk284 | ~jpa_++ |
| 19:54.54 | sgk284 | ~karma TimRiker |
| 19:54.54 | ibot | timriker has karma of -660 |
| 19:55.25 | sgk284 | TimRiker, ping |
| 19:55.35 | jpa_ | ~timriker++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ |
| 19:55.41 | jpa_ | ~karma TimRiker |
| 19:55.41 | ibot | timriker has karma of -660 |
| 19:55.45 | jpa_ | hmph :( |
| 19:56.01 | cods | -660.. well, don't store karma on 32 bits.. :) |
| 19:56.46 | jpa_ | well, gnight |
| 19:56.55 | sgk284 | good night |
| 19:57.13 | *** join/#bzflag kyelewis` (~kyelewis@203.46.65.116) |
| 20:13.03 | Grumbler | devs dont get mad, they get even......i bet someone with jpa_ callsign will not do so well in the next rev ;) |
| 20:13.29 | TimRiker | didn't leave much time for a pong. |
| 20:15.10 | *** join/#bzflag kierra (~45f06abf@rw08.de) |
| 20:18.51 | Grumbler | http://abridgegame.org/darcs/ |
| 20:22.10 | *** join/#bzflag brad2901 (brad2901@ACD8A1C1.ipt.aol.com) |
| 20:29.37 | *** join/#bzflag ep (~ep@ip68-97-124-161.ok.ok.cox.net) |
| 20:30.29 | ep | what are a few key display options for increasing FPS's? |
| 20:32.45 | Grumbler | turn off lightening |
| 20:33.08 | Grumbler | turn off tracks |
| 20:36.23 | ep | lighting | none you mean? |
| 20:38.05 | ep | do i want the depth buffer on or off |
| 20:38.44 | ep | what is its purpose |
| 20:41.28 | *** join/#bzflag Legoguy (~Lego|Desk@adsl-67-37-189-142.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net) |
| 20:41.39 | Chestal | ep: usually on. Wat is your video card? |
| 20:46.26 | ep | I have a nvidia |
| 20:50.00 | *** join/#bzflag bz7228 (~d0b64b0b@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 20:50.16 | ep | GeForce2 DDR (generic) according to XF86Config |
| 20:55.52 | Chestal | try glxinfo |
| 20:55.57 | Chestal | to make sure you have direct rendering |
| 20:59.18 | *** join/#bzflag Ice (~wili@ppp-216-106-109-8.storm.ca) |
| 20:59.24 | Ice | hey all |
| 20:59.32 | Ice | i was wondering, how do you create bots on your server? |
| 21:00.03 | Ice | hello? |
| 21:00.20 | ep | yes i got direct rendering. I wondering if there are any tweaks I might make to my x1186config? Theres nothing on AGP mode for instance. |
| 21:00.39 | Ice | a word of advice, don't try! |
| 21:00.57 | Ice | now could someone tell me how to create a few bots on my server? |
| 21:01.01 | Ice | please? |
| 21:01.11 | JeffM2501 | servers don't run bots |
| 21:01.12 | JeffM2501 | clients do |
| 21:01.18 | JeffM2501 | run a client with -soloe 5 |
| 21:01.26 | JeffM2501 | sorry -solo 5 |
| 21:01.36 | *** join/#bzflag orchid (orchid@orchid.user) |
| 21:01.37 | JeffM2501 | and that will bring 5 bots with the player when it joins a server. |
| 21:01.43 | Ice | yes, but what if i want mutliple bots, to say test out a map for bugs, and to get it to log things verbosly |
| 21:01.53 | Ice | nok |
| 21:02.03 | JeffM2501 | the number after -solo is how many bots the client runs |
| 21:02.07 | Ice | so do i just do "bzflag -solo 5"? |
| 21:02.12 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 21:02.17 | JeffM2501 | then join a server |
| 21:02.21 | Ice | and it will randomly assign them teams? |
| 21:02.30 | JeffM2501 | if your set to automatic, yes |
| 21:02.33 | Ice | ok |
| 21:02.39 | JeffM2501 | just make a local server, and join it |
| 21:02.40 | Ice | and which ones do i follow, or none? |
| 21:02.42 | Ice | ok |
| 21:02.43 | JeffM2501 | and you can test your map |
| 21:02.43 | Ice | ty |
| 21:02.47 | JeffM2501 | follow? |
| 21:02.50 | Ice | yes |
| 21:02.58 | JeffM2501 | what do you mean? |
| 21:03.00 | Ice | can i get them to create a log of any problems they had? |
| 21:03.05 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 21:03.08 | JeffM2501 | they don't have problems |
| 21:03.12 | Ice | oh, well, ok |
| 21:03.13 | Ice | ty |
| 21:03.14 | JeffM2501 | they drive and shoot |
| 21:03.16 | JeffM2501 | that's it |
| 21:03.20 | Ice | will be ba ck in an hour or so |
| 21:03.21 | JeffM2501 | they are very very dumb |
| 21:03.25 | Tupone | ciao orchid |
| 21:03.26 | Ice | can i set thier intellegence? |
| 21:03.29 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 21:03.31 | orchid | hi |
| 21:03.32 | Ice | aww |
| 21:03.32 | JeffM2501 | they are just dumb |
| 21:03.34 | Ice | ok bye |
| 21:03.43 | Ice | will they try to capture the flag, or no? |
| 21:03.53 | JeffM2501 | probaby not |
| 21:03.55 | Ice | ok |
| 21:03.58 | Ice | rats! |
| 21:04.06 | JeffM2501 | patches welcome |
| 21:04.19 | Ice | wait |
| 21:04.23 | Ice | how would i do that on mac os x? |
| 21:04.31 | Ice | cause it doesn't have the same command line |
| 21:04.33 | JeffM2501 | the same way on any OS |
| 21:04.34 | Ice | its BSD |
| 21:04.37 | JeffM2501 | yes it does |
| 21:04.39 | Ice | ummm ok |
| 21:04.41 | JeffM2501 | no it's OSX |
| 21:04.44 | Ice | so how do i run bzflag? |
| 21:04.50 | JeffM2501 | with the command line |
| 21:05.06 | JeffM2501 | aplications -> utilitys-> terminal |
| 21:05.09 | Ice | say "~/Apps/Bzflag.app/core/app/bzflag -solo 5"? |
| 21:05.17 | Ice | in terminal |
| 21:05.21 | Ice | yes i know where it is |
| 21:05.24 | JeffM2501 | if that is where your bzfag is, yeah |
| 21:05.33 | Ice | well it isn't, but thanks any way |
| 21:05.39 | Ice | n/part #bzflag Gone to test my server |
| 21:05.42 | Ice | doh! |
| 21:05.47 | orchid | :) |
| 21:05.48 | *** part/#bzflag Ice (~wili@ppp-216-106-109-8.storm.ca) |
| 21:05.48 | JeffM2501 | ha |
| 21:06.07 | JeffM2501 | are they puting sugar in tap water now? |
| 21:06.12 | brainZzZ | the following message: Your tap water is too hard. Get a water |
| 21:06.21 | Noodle-sensei | !weather krdm |
| 21:06.24 | guu | Noodle-sensei: The current temperature in Roberts, Oregon is 59°F (12:56 PM PST on February 02, 2005). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 26%. Dew Point: 24°F. Pressure: 30.43 in (1030 hPa). Visibility: 10.0 miles (16.1 kilometers). UV: 3 out of 12 |
| 21:06.32 | Noodle-sensei | HUZZAH! |
| 21:08.19 | orchid | hows your bad leg? |
| 21:08.30 | JeffM2501 | less bad |
| 21:08.36 | orchid | ahh good |
| 21:08.39 | JeffM2501 | and in a brace |
| 21:08.48 | orchid | ew |
| 21:08.49 | brad2901 | Can somebody help me? How do I enable the bzbb groups to work on a server? |
| 21:08.55 | brainZzZ | if you have a real reason not to have brad2901 loaded on a server, then let's hear it |
| 21:09.09 | brad2901 | :S |
| 21:09.33 | JeffM2501 | brainZzZ, are you just going to bable all day? |
| 21:09.37 | brainZzZ | JeffM2501: least then all day she can make 1.05 |
| 21:09.40 | JeffM2501 | brad2901, what do you want to do? |
| 21:10.00 | orchid | brainZzZ: is a bot I'm guessing |
| 21:10.00 | brad2901 | Get the bzbb groups to work on a server.. |
| 21:10.06 | brainZzZ | so it is a botnet |
| 21:10.20 | JeffM2501 | your very close to geting a -q if you don't start to make sense |
| 21:10.34 | JeffM2501 | brad2901, have you had the groups made for you by an admin? |
| 21:10.39 | brad2901 | yes |
| 21:10.47 | JeffM2501 | ok then just add them to your groups file |
| 21:10.48 | brad2901 | I'm helping a 'friend' |
| 21:10.56 | JeffM2501 | and add what ever perms they want |
| 21:11.03 | JeffM2501 | what groups are they? |
| 21:11.10 | brad2901 | redsox.admin redsox.cop |
| 21:11.13 | JeffM2501 | or does BIYA just not want to talk when I'm here? |
| 21:11.19 | brad2901 | not him ;) |
| 21:11.25 | brad2901 | I think you can guess who |
| 21:11.36 | JeffM2501 | he just has to add them to his groups file |
| 21:11.43 | JeffM2501 | and give them the perms he wants each group to have |
| 21:11.53 | JeffM2501 | redsoxfan90 realy has no clue how to run a server. |
| 21:12.04 | brad2901 | He supposedly tried this without any sucess |
| 21:12.16 | JeffM2501 | what exactly did he add to his groups file? |
| 21:12.22 | brad2901 | hang on. |
| 21:13.47 | brad2901 | He's trying to work out how to attach something to an email :) |
| 21:13.56 | JeffM2501 | it's one line |
| 21:14.14 | JeffM2501 | perhaps runing a server isn't his cup of tea, if he can't send mail |
| 21:14.17 | brad2901 | both groups on one line? |
| 21:14.30 | brad2901 | like: redsox.admin redsox.cop ? |
| 21:14.33 | JeffM2501 | ok well one line per group |
| 21:14.34 | JeffM2501 | sorry |
| 21:14.37 | brad2901 | oh |
| 21:14.43 | JeffM2501 | it's just like any other group |
| 21:14.43 | brad2901 | I did this: |
| 21:14.46 | JeffM2501 | and IIRC they are all caps |
| 21:14.54 | brad2901 | redsox.admin: ban kick etc.. |
| 21:14.57 | bryjen | i don't think case matters |
| 21:15.07 | JeffM2501 | well that's good at least |
| 21:15.21 | JeffM2501 | brad2901, did you use real perm names like other groups have? |
| 21:15.22 | brad2901 | Does he need the ":" ? |
| 21:15.29 | brad2901 | yes |
| 21:15.36 | brad2901 | ok |
| 21:16.04 | JeffM2501 | yeah you need the : |
| 21:16.12 | JeffM2501 | COPS:KICK BAN BANLIST UNBAN INFO |
| 21:16.15 | JeffM2501 | that's from the sample |
| 21:16.34 | JeffM2501 | then what happens if somone comes in with global reg that he put in the group on bzbb? |
| 21:17.00 | brad2901 | I'm not sure who he added to the groups on bzbb |
| 21:17.04 | bryjen | there's no one in his groups (only him) |
| 21:17.08 | brad2901 | ah |
| 21:17.09 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 21:17.13 | JeffM2501 | his groups are empty |
| 21:17.19 | brad2901 | That's one reason then :) |
| 21:17.20 | JeffM2501 | he needs to add people |
| 21:17.26 | brad2901 | ok, I will tell him |
| 21:17.37 | JeffM2501 | wheeee I'm a bryjen operator |
| 21:18.09 | brad2901 | I can add people for him now. Using windows remote assistance :) |
| 21:18.17 | JeffM2501 | then add some people |
| 21:18.20 | JeffM2501 | get one to login |
| 21:18.26 | brad2901 | I am now |
| 21:18.28 | JeffM2501 | and they should have the perms of that group |
| 21:18.33 | JeffM2501 | it's rather simple |
| 21:18.53 | JeffM2501 | if they don't get a global login, then make sure they don't have old local only accounts |
| 21:19.00 | JeffM2501 | if they do, deregister them |
| 21:19.06 | brad2901 | Ok, |
| 21:19.26 | brad2901 | Added myself to the group, will now test. I will inform you if it works, brb |
| 21:19.37 | JeffM2501 | best of luck |
| 21:19.41 | *** part/#bzflag brad2901 (brad2901@ACD8A1C1.ipt.aol.com) |
| 21:19.50 | JeffM2501 | eww remote desktop over AOL |
| 21:19.54 | JeffM2501 | that has to suck |
| 21:20.06 | JeffM2501 | layers and layers of evil |
| 21:20.15 | JeffM2501 | kinda like an evil german chocholate cake. |
| 21:20.35 | JeffM2501 | I'd say over 1/2 the users on the board :) |
| 21:20.56 | JeffM2501 | just so you know there is a special rank for that, if you find anyone that needs it |
| 21:21.27 | JeffM2501 | how bad do you think it would be taken if OC only allowed numbers and letters in callsigns? |
| 21:21.34 | JeffM2501 | 4 char min |
| 21:21.51 | JeffM2501 | or it auto picks a name for you :) |
| 21:22.05 | Chestal | zJ2Uk5q? |
| 21:22.18 | JeffM2501 | that's prety lame |
| 21:22.26 | JeffM2501 | there is a lame filter right? |
| 21:22.28 | Chestal | could use the same code to generate name and password then :-) |
| 21:22.30 | JeffM2501 | I mean algo |
| 21:22.35 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 21:22.38 | bryjen | well, lotsa munchie users ain't so bad. their fascination with wanting to run servers and pass out ops... |
| 21:22.59 | JeffM2501 | every 12 year old with a broadband commenction seems to want one late |
| 21:23.14 | JeffM2501 | member the guy who was asking what file to upload to run bzfs on his webhost? |
| 21:23.25 | Noodle-sensei | HEY!!! HOW DO I RUN A SREVER!!!!!11!???? |
| 21:23.27 | bryjen | hehe. yeah, vaguely |
| 21:23.29 | Legoguy | yeah, there was a 13 year old in my server asking for ops... im like... not quite yet, thanks... |
| 21:23.32 | Noodle-sensei | CAN I BE OP??? |
| 21:23.41 | JeffM2501 | Legoguy, probably lildog |
| 21:23.44 | Legoguy | no |
| 21:23.50 | JeffM2501 | scorch? |
| 21:23.55 | Legoguy | his name was ... what was it... |
| 21:24.07 | Legoguy | might have been "Mike?" |
| 21:24.09 | Legoguy | or something |
| 21:24.15 | Legoguy | q. mark on the end |
| 21:24.23 | JeffM2501 | bryjen, biya hasn't seemd to see the change in his profile yet |
| 21:24.28 | JeffM2501 | ether that or he's ok with it. |
| 21:24.47 | Noodle-sensei | ow, my most of me |
| 21:24.55 | JeffM2501 | saw a mod for bzbb that will prevent posts with all caps :) |
| 21:24.57 | Legoguy | he probably thinks its a higher level. |
| 21:25.10 | *** join/#bzflag brad2901 (brad2901@ACD8A1C1.ipt.aol.com) |
| 21:25.26 | brad2901 | Still having some trouble with global logins. |
| 21:25.35 | JeffM2501 | do you not get a + ? |
| 21:25.35 | brad2901 | It doesn't work :( |
| 21:25.41 | brad2901 | nope |
| 21:25.48 | brad2901 | Just a server message |
| 21:25.48 | JeffM2501 | do you have a local account on the server too? |
| 21:25.54 | brad2901 | No |
| 21:25.57 | JeffM2501 | from like before ? |
| 21:25.59 | brad2901 | I deregisterdee |
| 21:26.10 | bryjen | there are still no group members |
| 21:26.11 | brad2901 | deregistered* |
| 21:26.19 | brad2901 | I added myself to the group |
| 21:26.21 | JeffM2501 | and if you look in the users and passwords you arn't there? |
| 21:26.26 | bryjen | hrm. |
| 21:26.33 | JeffM2501 | well you have to get global reg done first |
| 21:26.33 | bryjen | sorry |
| 21:26.36 | brad2901 | The userdb and passdb are empty |
| 21:26.51 | JeffM2501 | open his user file and see if your in there |
| 21:26.55 | brad2901 | ok, |
| 21:26.59 | JeffM2501 | under the exact name you login with |
| 21:27.01 | JeffM2501 | aka your BZBB name |
| 21:27.07 | JeffM2501 | and do the same for the password file. |
| 21:27.08 | brad2901 | nope |
| 21:27.15 | brainZzZ | When it asks for the password does it work to just enter Administrator with no password then? |
| 21:27.17 | JeffM2501 | check the password file then |
| 21:27.27 | brad2901 | I did, nothing |
| 21:27.41 | brad2901 | I don't think the passdb is enabled though. Does it need to be? |
| 21:27.53 | JeffM2501 | no, not if he's doing global only |
| 21:28.07 | JeffM2501 | so when login, does it say anything about a token? |
| 21:28.10 | bryjen | no. if you're going purely global accounts, all you need is -groupdb |
| 21:28.14 | JeffM2501 | do you get a token when you hit the list server. |
| 21:28.14 | brad2901 | No. nothing |
| 21:28.22 | brad2901 | No userdb? |
| 21:28.26 | brad2901 | Yes |
| 21:28.29 | JeffM2501 | not for pure global |
| 21:28.45 | JeffM2501 | does he have any global allow or disable groups in his command line? |
| 21:28.51 | JeffM2501 | or can we see his config? |
| 21:28.54 | brad2901 | *goes of to remove userdb from bzfs.conf* |
| 21:28.58 | JeffM2501 | can you slap it in a pastebin |
| 21:29.05 | brad2901 | umm.. |
| 21:29.13 | brad2901 | I'm not sure |
| 21:29.28 | brad2901 | I could post it on the bzbb forum |
| 21:29.35 | bryjen | http://pastebin.ca/ |
| 21:29.36 | JeffM2501 | put it in a pastebin |
| 21:29.39 | brad2901 | ok |
| 21:29.45 | brad2901 | I'll try that |
| 21:29.45 | JeffM2501 | if you can post on bzbb you can pastebin :) |
| 21:29.50 | bryjen | copy the text into that box, hit sumbit |
| 21:29.52 | brad2901 | :D |
| 21:29.54 | brad2901 | ok |
| 21:29.56 | JeffM2501 | then paste the URL here |
| 21:29.59 | brad2901 | k |
| 21:30.02 | bryjen | and tell us the URL it gives you |
| 21:30.14 | JeffM2501 | then put your left foot in |
| 21:30.16 | JeffM2501 | then take it out |
| 21:30.20 | JeffM2501 | then put it in again |
| 21:30.23 | JeffM2501 | and shake it all about |
| 21:33.11 | *** kick/#bzflag [brainZzZ!~JeffM@Patlabor221.active.supporter.pdpc] by JeffM2501 (JeffM2501) |
| 21:33.18 | brad2901 | http://pastebin.ca/5176 |
| 21:33.52 | JeffM2501 | did you shake it? :) |
| 21:34.00 | JeffM2501 | all about? |
| 21:34.12 | brad2901 | umm, yes.. :) |
| 21:34.20 | JeffM2501 | you have a passdb |
| 21:34.28 | brad2901 | But it is disabled |
| 21:34.31 | brad2901 | # |
| 21:34.34 | JeffM2501 | not in this file |
| 21:34.40 | brad2901 | O.O |
| 21:34.47 | JeffM2501 | -passdb "C:\Program Files\BZFlag1.10.8\passdb.txt" |
| 21:34.54 | brad2901 | Hmm, he must of have been changing stuff.. |
| 21:34.54 | bryjen | and those directory names ? 1.10.8? |
| 21:35.01 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 21:35.03 | brad2901 | yeah, same files |
| 21:35.04 | JeffM2501 | you using 2.0? |
| 21:35.07 | brad2901 | yes |
| 21:35.17 | JeffM2501 | you can't use the same files for 1.10 and 2.0 |
| 21:35.22 | JeffM2501 | they have difrent group names |
| 21:35.26 | brad2901 | ? |
| 21:35.35 | brad2901 | New to me. |
| 21:35.39 | brad2901 | news* |
| 21:35.41 | JeffM2501 | pulll all but the groups |
| 21:35.46 | brad2901 | ok |
| 21:35.52 | JeffM2501 | and pastebin the groups file |
| 21:36.31 | brad2901 | ok |
| 21:39.02 | brad2901 | Here's the groupdb http://pastebin.ca/5178 |
| 21:39.44 | JeffM2501 | pull require identify |
| 21:39.55 | brad2901 | ok |
| 21:39.58 | bryjen | i'd put a space after the : but that may not be required |
| 21:40.04 | brad2901 | k |
| 21:40.09 | brad2901 | I'll try both |
| 21:40.13 | JeffM2501 | if he wants to require id then he should use the CLI option |
| 21:40.21 | JeffM2501 | the sample dosn't have a space IIRC |
| 21:41.17 | bryjen | hmm, the one in misc/ is very spacey |
| 21:41.20 | trepan | it does now :) |
| 21:41.31 | JeffM2501 | then just run and login and see if you get a + |
| 21:41.46 | JeffM2501 | if you can't even get a + then the server isn't checking tokens |
| 21:42.11 | JeffM2501 | everyone who is globaly IDed, even if they are admin or not, should get a + |
| 21:42.25 | brad2901 | Hmm, remote assistance just crashed and hes not answering.. |
| 21:42.41 | JeffM2501 | suxorz |
| 21:42.45 | brad2901 | ya |
| 21:44.00 | JeffM2501 | maybe he's globably baned from the list server |
| 21:44.18 | brad2901 | Yeah, could be why, I saw that you put him on it once |
| 21:44.31 | JeffM2501 | on the list server ban? |
| 21:44.35 | JeffM2501 | that's NOT masterban |
| 21:44.37 | brad2901 | umm |
| 21:44.45 | brad2901 | oopz, wrong thing |
| 21:44.46 | JeffM2501 | is he knightmare |
| 21:44.53 | brad2901 | I don't know :) |
| 21:45.12 | brad2901 | His ip is 213.*.*.* i think |
| 21:45.18 | JeffM2501 | he dosnt' seem bright enough to be |
| 21:45.21 | brad2901 | heh |
| 21:50.54 | brad2901 | Still doesn't work but i've kinda given up now |
| 21:51.05 | JeffM2501 | brb |
| 21:53.59 | *** join/#bzflag JeffM2501 (~JeffM@Patlabor221.active.supporter.pdpc) |
| 21:53.59 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o JeffM2501] by ChanServ |
| 21:55.15 | JeffM2501 | so it would not give you a + |
| 21:55.16 | sgk284 | timriker, ping |
| 21:55.20 | JeffM2501 | that's not good |
| 21:55.23 | brad2901 | correct |
| 21:55.35 | JeffM2501 | the server is public? |
| 21:55.41 | brad2901 | yes |
| 21:55.57 | brad2901 | It's on the list when it's up |
| 21:56.18 | JeffM2501 | well for some reason it's not accepting tokens |
| 21:56.26 | brad2901 | yep |
| 21:56.36 | brad2901 | I told him to ask on the bzbb forums.. |
| 21:58.17 | *** part/#bzflag brad2901 (brad2901@ACD8A1C1.ipt.aol.com) |
| 21:58.53 | bryjen | ~bzfquery redsoxfan90.servebeer.com |
| 21:59.10 | JeffM2501 | have him turn on some -d's and see what hapens when it gets a token |
| 22:00.54 | JeffM2501 | yeah he's not geting tokens |
| 22:00.59 | JeffM2501 | or ignoring them |
| 22:01.43 | bryjen | ~nslookup redsoxfan90.servebeer.com |
| 22:04.06 | JeffM2501 | I join SP get a + him, don't |
| 22:04.46 | bryjen | strange. he's got to be able to talk to the list server since he is on the list |
| 22:04.52 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 22:04.58 | JeffM2501 | it's very wierd |
| 22:05.10 | JeffM2501 | unless it's some bastardised hacked up client |
| 22:05.14 | JeffM2501 | sory server |
| 22:05.30 | bryjen | only thing I can think of is the -groupdb param isn' being used correctly |
| 22:05.46 | JeffM2501 | shoudn't mater |
| 22:05.50 | JeffM2501 | not just for a + |
| 22:05.55 | JeffM2501 | a + just means you got a token |
| 22:05.59 | JeffM2501 | no groups needed |
| 22:06.04 | bryjen | ah, yeah |
| 22:06.17 | JeffM2501 | he's not even check global reges |
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| 22:14.32 | Daddo | ok - I am having fun rewriting pybzflag now - anyone have a good world file example that shows how the new shift/spin/shear stuff works? |
| 22:14.52 | scanline | rewriting... pybzflag...? |
| 22:15.07 | scanline | purple_cow just wrote a new world file parser in python for a blender plugin |
| 22:15.15 | Daddo | I am interested in what an object with repeating shift/spin sequences will look like |
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| 22:15.25 | Daddo | opps |
| 22:15.39 | Daddo | s/pybzflag/pybzedit :O) |
| 22:15.51 | JeffM2501 | just grab the code from the blender plugin |
| 22:15.57 | Daddo | ok cool |
| 22:16.06 | scanline | Daddo: yeah. it sounds like you're about to reinvent what purple_cow has been working on with blender :P |
| 22:16.11 | JeffM2501 | you mean scorch's dad isn't going to bust it out? :) |
| 22:16.31 | Daddo | lol - I am not scorch's dad |
| 22:16.36 | JeffM2501 | I know |
| 22:16.48 | JeffM2501 | but he said his dad was going to fix it and 'he'd help' |
| 22:16.49 | Daddo | ah |
| 22:17.14 | Daddo | someone was going to send me some improvements - but I and u know how that goes |
| 22:17.30 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 22:17.54 | JeffM2501 | purpie's prety much busting it out in blender |
| 22:17.56 | Daddo | Blender is a bit hard for most people - I think. However it is the way to go for complicated meshes |
| 22:18.23 | JeffM2501 | yeah it seems that most mapers are still stuck on the conecpt of an "object" |
| 22:18.30 | scanline | Daddo: blender's complicated, but not nearly as much so as an equivalent bzflag editor made from scratch would be |
| 22:18.49 | scanline | it's much better to give people an interface that already has a lot of testing and documentation behind it |
| 22:18.50 | Daddo | I'm going to try to make pybzedit work again - but if not - oh well |
| 22:18.55 | scanline | and once you learn blender, it's really easy to use :) |
| 22:19.08 | Daddo | I've not tried hard enough (2 days) |
| 22:19.10 | JeffM2501 | scanline they don't teach that in highschool |
| 22:19.11 | scanline | Daddo: is this the original pybzedit, or that other one? |
| 22:20.00 | Daddo | scanline: you mean pybzflag or pybzedit? pybzedit I created - it's on source forge |
| 22:20.07 | scanline | ah |
| 22:20.21 | scanline | purple_cow and I started an editor a while ago that was also "pybzedit" :P |
| 22:20.30 | Daddo | it's pretty ugly - but was easy enough for kids to use |
| 22:20.37 | Daddo | lol |
| 22:20.44 | scanline | yeah, I've seen parts of it.. definitely ugly compared to pybzflag :P |
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| 22:21.13 | scanline | I'd much rather do away with all these crazy random editors and make people learn a real modelling package |
| 22:21.14 | Daddo | I have little knowledge of opengl and python - I'll admit it! |
| 22:21.34 | Daddo | But can you see a 10 year old using Blender - maybe I guess |
| 22:21.39 | scanline | yes |
| 22:21.56 | Daddo | probably easier than i could! |
| 22:22.20 | scanline | well, if someone really doesn't want to take the time to learn a real editor, you probably don't want them making bzflag maps... |
| 22:22.26 | JeffM2501 | maybe 10 year olds sholdn't be making maps :) |
| 22:22.55 | JeffM2501 | unless you realy like exploding boxes :) |
| 22:23.23 | Daddo | In my experience they do pretty well - then again some of the best servers run maps that are pretty minimal |
| 22:23.24 | bryjen | i think the kids could probly be pacified with a gui that just does the primitives and their attributes. |
| 22:24.22 | scanline | the really lazy kiddies could keep using JeffM2501's windows editor as long as the format stays backward-compatible |
| 22:24.55 | JeffM2501 | in my expreience, they are the ONLY people making maps :) |
| 22:25.11 | scanline | ick |
| 22:25.40 | Daddo | well - I'll take a look at the blender stuff again - but i'll probably look at what it would take to get pybzedit going again |
| 22:26.10 | Daddo | however - if the community as a whole thinks it is bad - I will not release it and let it die |
| 22:26.13 | bryjen | iirc, purple panzer made some that looked interesting. i do not, however, recall seeing many running anywhere or playing them |
| 22:26.42 | bryjen | Grumbler did a few as well. Actually played those and they were nice |
| 22:27.06 | Daddo | one last thing - where is purple_cows work found? |
| 22:27.22 | scanline | http://navi.cx/svn/misc/trunk/bzedit/ |
| 22:27.39 | scanline | you should definitely talk to him about it, since it's still in its early stages but he's made a lot of progress |
| 22:27.47 | Daddo | My 9 year old did a pretty cool movie theatre map and I was working on an old west town when the 'world' changed |
| 22:28.10 | Daddo | ok -i'll check it out |
| 22:28.50 | Daddo | maybe I can help if a 10 year old can understand it (unfortunately I much older than that) |
| 22:29.11 | bryjen | looks and modeling real life don't necessarily make a fun-to-play-on map (it's another facet of the realism debate) |
| 22:29.35 | Daddo | that is sooo correct |
| 22:29.43 | scanline | regardless of realism, real modelling packages tend to include a lot of tools that make things easier |
| 22:29.58 | scanline | I mean, evne blender's selection modes make a world of difference |
| 22:33.04 | Daddo | ok thanks for the help - cya |
| 22:34.06 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, find the sourcecode yet? |
| 22:47.23 | Noodle-sensei | caffeine is goooood |
| 22:52.09 | JeffM2501 | there never have nor never will be any american troops in bzflag. |
| 22:52.15 | JeffM2501 | there are no tanks in bzflag |
| 22:52.20 | JeffM2501 | ( is it working? ) |
| 22:52.38 | bryjen | !lart JeffM2501 |
| 22:54.05 | JeffM2501 | I don't use outlook anymore |
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| 22:54.30 | JeffM2501 | gone full thunderbird |
| 22:54.39 | orchid | look at him go! |
| 22:54.52 | JeffM2501 | only think IE is used for is windows update |
| 22:55.23 | JeffM2501 | it was the tabs that got me |
| 22:55.32 | bryjen | then you're probly behind on your outlook security patches, and you know you can't unbundle ie & oe from windows, very good |
| 22:55.36 | JeffM2501 | tho thunderbird REALY does need a couple of features. |
| 22:56.00 | JeffM2501 | bryjen, you can deny oe permision to even run :) |
| 22:56.31 | JeffM2501 | the domain server runs the auto updates usualy |
| 22:56.42 | JeffM2501 | least for hotfixes and security patches |
| 22:57.01 | bryjen | but they're still _in there_ somewhere, waiting for the right bug to come along and exploit a shared component..... |
| 22:57.36 | JeffM2501 | I'd be pushing the rest of the company to TB as soon as they implement a couple more things ( shared addy books, and a way to reply at the top, not bottom ) |
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| 22:58.56 | bryjen | its hard to be menacing whilest wearing that silly hat ;) |
| 22:59.07 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 22:59.36 | JeffM2501 | I think all I need is a new case, and I'll be ready to even set up the home machine dual boot |
| 22:59.50 | bryjen | the word "bzflag" is disallowed in forum names? |
| 22:59.54 | JeffM2501 | anyone know how well nix plays with 3rd party IDE cards? |
| 23:00.05 | JeffM2501 | bryjen, probably |
| 23:00.09 | purple_cow | depends on the card |
| 23:00.18 | purple_cow | support is generally pretty good though |
| 23:00.20 | JeffM2501 | like the cheap promice ones |
| 23:00.20 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: my roommate has one and it works fine. that's pretty darn anecdotal though :) |
| 23:00.38 | JeffM2501 | bryjen, you know how to check the list right? |
| 23:00.38 | bryjen | Yes, it is disallowed. I was wondering why. |
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| 23:00.53 | JeffM2501 | so none could steal tim's name :) |
| 23:01.06 | JeffM2501 | or make a name like a system message |
| 23:02.04 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, well I'll try one, I have 2 drives in there now, with 2 CDs, and a 3rd drive for nix, maybe I put the windows second drive on the IDe card, that way if it dosn't work, it's not a drive I need under nix |
| 23:02.34 | JeffM2501 | or I get a USB drive enclosure and install yellowdog on the mini |
| 23:02.40 | JeffM2501 | but I don't see much point in that |
| 23:02.41 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 23:04.15 | bryjen | JeffM2501: yeah, makes some sense. Should I post that so this guy can pick something else: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=2878 |
| 23:04.21 | JeffM2501 | bryjen, I asume you got this from "username at the bottoM" |
| 23:04.26 | JeffM2501 | yeah he should pick something else |
| 23:04.35 | JeffM2501 | tho you could pull the ban |
| 23:04.39 | JeffM2501 | and we can just see how it goes |
| 23:04.47 | JeffM2501 | it's not one of the big ones I'm worried about |
| 23:04.52 | JeffM2501 | no like ............._........._ |
| 23:05.21 | JeffM2501 | it's an older bad name IIRC |
| 23:05.30 | JeffM2501 | before the grand registration |
| 23:06.13 | bryjen | perhaps just literal BZFlag so no one can be Tim. take out the wildcards |
| 23:07.38 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 23:07.41 | JeffM2501 | sounds fair |
| 23:18.24 | JeffM2501 | now he has 2 names :) |
| 23:18.32 | JeffM2501 | he should have just changed his name :) |
| 23:21.15 | bryjen | was "username at..." a registered name? i thought it said he was a guest |
| 23:22.15 | JeffM2501 | ahh it could be |
| 23:22.20 | JeffM2501 | well he did it with spaces |
| 23:22.33 | JeffM2501 | forgot that forum has guest access |
| 23:22.53 | bryjen | he can edit out the spaces :) |
| 23:23.10 | JeffM2501 | I'm sure he can, just make sure he knows to :) |
| 23:23.43 | bryjen | uhm... err.. |
| 23:24.53 | bryjen | gah. did he register 'bzflag" ? or did someone else go there right after i changed the rule? |
| 23:26.11 | JeffM2501 | he did, bz flag inator |
| 23:28.00 | bryjen | there's a "bzflag" now. from April 2003?!? |
| 23:28.05 | JeffM2501 | hmm |
| 23:28.07 | JeffM2501 | odd |
| 23:28.12 | JeffM2501 | valid e-mail? |
| 23:28.16 | bryjen | i don't think it was there afore |
| 23:28.56 | bryjen | 4 posts |
| 23:29.07 | JeffM2501 | let me look into it |
| 23:29.11 | bryjen | Ok |
| 23:29.40 | JeffM2501 | somome may have changed there name |
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| 23:38.52 | purple_cow | bzflag needs subsurf tesselators for that ;) |
| 23:39.37 | JeffM2501 | ohh just preteselate |
| 23:39.50 | JeffM2501 | in your plugin |
| 23:39.53 | *** part/#bzflag brad2901 (brad2901@ACD8A1C1.ipt.aol.com) |
| 23:40.19 | JeffM2501 | what happens now if you try to export a surf? |
| 23:40.25 | purple_cow | dunno |
| 23:40.30 | JeffM2501 | yeah it's gotta be tesing it for display |
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| 23:57.06 | sussudio | Legoguy: what videocard do you have? an experimental geforce6 or something? |
| 23:57.26 | sussudio | must be to play that map of yours :-| |
| 23:57.27 | JeffM2501 | 6000's aren't experimental |
| 23:57.37 | creeperz | theyre on the market |
| 23:57.39 | JeffM2501 | 6800's are the norm |
| 23:57.45 | creeperz | JeffM2501 is getting one, arent you? |
| 23:57.46 | JeffM2501 | you don't have one sussudio? |
| 23:57.59 | sussudio | no, nvidia is teh suxor. |
| 23:58.04 | creeperz | ... |
| 23:58.13 | JeffM2501 | ATI has some comparable cards |
| 23:58.18 | JeffM2501 | what are you running now? |
| 23:58.26 | sussudio | radeon 7200 DDR AIW |
| 23:58.29 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 23:58.38 | sussudio | i get about 15 fps on Legoguy's map |
| 23:58.41 | JeffM2501 | well then maybe 1.10 is good for you |
| 23:58.53 | JeffM2501 | your computer may not be man enoguh |
| 23:58.53 | creeperz | i have a quick question |
| 23:58.55 | JeffM2501 | for 2 |
| 23:59.05 | purple_cow | heh |
| 23:59.09 | creeperz | my friend rich plays 1.10 just fine, but with 2.0 he gets ALOT of lag |
| 23:59.15 | creeperz | not video |
| 23:59.17 | sussudio | yeah people lag on 2.0 |
| 23:59.20 | creeperz | just network lag |
| 23:59.28 | creeperz | i dont have any problems |
| 23:59.33 | sussudio | me neither |
| 23:59.37 | creeperz | but he has soem MAJOR problems |
| 23:59.42 | sussudio | it's like me with 30ms and then the rest with 300-400 |
| 23:59.45 | JeffM2501 | fps stay high? |
