| 00:03.43 | wegstar | !weather 94030 |
| 00:03.46 | guu | wegstar: The current temperature in Millbrae, California is 52°F (3:56 PM PST on January 11, 2005). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 45°F. Pressure: 29.94 in (1014 hPa). Visibility: 10.0 miles (16.1 kilometers). UV: 0 out of 12 |
| 00:03.50 | wegstar | !ad |
| 00:03.51 | guu | wegstar: I'm sorry, that makes NO FREAKING SENSE to me what so ever. |
| 00:05.12 | shorty114 | !weather 98020 |
| 00:05.15 | guu | shorty114: The current temperature in Edmonds, Washington is 35°F (3:53 PM PST on January 11, 2005). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 30°F. Wind: SSE at 8 mph (13 km/h). Pressure: 30.06 in (1018 hPa). Visibility: 10.0 miles (16.1 kilometers). UV: 0 out of 12 |
| 00:05.20 | shorty114 | hmm seems colder :( |
| 00:07.39 | amathis | trepan, link :) |
| 00:07.47 | orchid | drunk posting... |
| 00:08.02 | purple_cow | link? |
| 00:08.16 | *** join/#bzflag ycco (~october@ip24-252-197-99.mc.at.cox.net) |
| 00:08.27 | ycco | anyone wanna hop on ducati 5156? |
| 00:08.34 | wegstar | ... |
| 00:08.44 | amathis | hi occy. |
| 00:09.51 | JeffM2501 | lan has gone all wacky of late |
| 00:13.22 | *** join/#bzflag SilverFox (SilverFox@68-116-47-254.or.charter.com) |
| 00:13.22 | ycco | heh |
| 00:13.23 | orchid | trepan: cant find it |
| 00:13.23 | wegstar | probably got removed... |
| 00:13.26 | wegstar | like mine :) |
| 00:13.32 | amathis | orchid, me neither. |
| 00:13.33 | trepan | orchid: it ain't much: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=26537#26537 |
| 00:14.49 | wegstar | umm... |
| 00:15.24 | orchid | trepan: not over the top enough to be drunk :) |
| 00:16.41 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: btw, can you move my moderator flag from General Discussion to Releases and Versions? |
| 00:16.46 | trepan | nope, unfortunately not (for his sake) |
| 00:17.43 | JeffM2501 | sure |
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| 00:18.18 | DTRemenak | thanks |
| 00:18.18 | shorty114 | lol DTRemenak nice post |
| 00:18.47 | shorty114 | does the rank with "Probationary Account" actually mean it's a probationary account or is that just a rank image joke? |
| 00:19.00 | shorty114 | b/c i've noticed scorch has one also |
| 00:19.06 | shorty114 | as well as lan56 |
| 00:19.44 | wegstar | hm... |
| 00:21.12 | purple_cow | huh |
| 00:21.29 | purple_cow | he sounds offended, but i can't see anybody talking to him |
| 00:21.37 | wegstar | I've been seeing him having that rank for a long time.., does it mean that it's pernament?? |
| 00:21.52 | DTRemenak | purple_cow: I think he likes verbally abusing himself |
| 00:21.56 | purple_cow | DTRemenak: could be |
| 00:22.23 | DTRemenak | or else he's a...what do you call it when you think everybody hates you? not paranoia, but... |
| 00:22.41 | purple_cow | loser? |
| 00:22.45 | DTRemenak | haha |
| 00:23.41 | wegstar | !:-) |
| 00:23.42 | guu | wegstar: are you 10? |
| 00:24.33 | shorty114 | !:D |
| 00:24.34 | guu | shorty114: WTF? |
| 00:24.41 | wegstar | !asdf |
| 00:24.42 | guu | wegstar: beats the heck outa me. |
| 00:27.10 | trepan | ~DTRemenak++ |
| 00:27.25 | shorty114 | her "WTF are you saying???" responses :) |
| 00:29.43 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, your now a member of the "release moderators" group, it should give you access to a number of forums that you may need. |
| 00:29.58 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: cool, thanks |
| 00:29.58 | wegstar | no drumroll? |
| 00:30.07 | JeffM2501 | she dosn't know what your asking, so she's telling you so. |
| 00:34.02 | JeffM2501 | made a dev group too, and gave them perms for some dev forums too |
| 00:35.05 | JeffM2501 | does the current breakdown of forums make sense DTRemenak? |
| 00:36.02 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: yeah, it does. I think it's a big improvement, actually. |
| 00:36.43 | JeffM2501 | the math part of my brain thought it was bad that so many things had "BZ" in them, when it's assumed to be BZ from the content of the site :) |
| 00:36.52 | DTRemenak | heh :) |
| 00:37.02 | Legoguy | so... whenever bzflag is released, give me a beep (ie say my name) so I know when to test and submit the new bzflag ebuild to portage. |
| 00:37.32 | DTRemenak | ok |
| 00:37.51 | JeffM2501 | why not just put a mail watch on SF and you'll get a notice when the project updates. |
| 00:38.27 | Legoguy | bleh |
| 00:38.34 | Legoguy | faster right from here ;) |
| 00:38.41 | DTRemenak | maybe he wants the sound? |
| 00:38.47 | Legoguy | that too |
| 00:38.55 | JeffM2501 | set it as your new mail sound |
| 00:38.57 | Legoguy | well thunderbird makes a beep, but on every single new email |
| 00:39.02 | trepan | DTRemenak: what problem are you refering to on bzbb? |
| 00:39.04 | learner | wow, i haven't had the xcode project open in ages :) |
| 00:39.14 | DTRemenak | trepan: did you see the guy's screenshots? |
| 00:39.21 | DTRemenak | check out the ground |
| 00:39.48 | trepan | ah, yup, almost definitely related |
| 00:39.58 | Legoguy | when's the last time crs23 was around? |
| 00:40.21 | JeffM2501 | ibot seen crs23 |
| 00:40.21 | ibot | i haven't seen 'crs23', JeffM2501 |
| 00:40.26 | Legoguy | out of curiosity |
| 00:40.44 | Legoguy | i use synergy and he's also the project admin for that |
| 00:40.49 | JeffM2501 | last I've seen of him was an IRC interview someime last year |
| 00:40.49 | DTRemenak | I don't think I've ever seen him here, actually. |
| 00:41.10 | JeffM2501 | he does not do anything with this project now |
| 00:41.27 | Legoguy | he just started it right :P |
| 00:41.31 | Legoguy | tim took over |
| 00:41.42 | Legoguy | iirc |
| 00:41.48 | DTRemenak | he worked on it for a long time. 1.8 started as a giant patch from him. |
| 00:41.50 | trepan | DTRemenak: i had a centered double square drawing method in BackgroundRenderer that might work for everyone, dunno |
| 00:42.03 | trepan | that was a couple of months ago |
| 00:42.35 | trepan | all i know was the that old style looked like hell on my gf3 |
| 00:42.39 | DTRemenak | trepan: I don't know at all. drawing stuff is kind of out of my experience, and I don't get his problem here |
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| 00:44.26 | Silver1 | the "check" that keeps a client from driving too fast is basically the server checking position periodically to see how fast each client has moved, but the client owns its position, right? |
| 00:44.28 | trepan | well, the grid lines are gone, so he can merrily run in high mode, problem solved :) |
| 00:44.36 | DTRemenak | hehe :) |
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| 00:47.47 | DTRemenak | you use VC6, right? |
| 00:47.47 | blast007 | yeah |
| 00:48.40 | DTRemenak | does the latest compile for you? |
| 00:48.52 | blast007 | let me check, need to update |
| 00:49.22 | DTRemenak | I fixed a bunch of stuff a couple hours ago, but I can't check it very much |
| 00:49.39 | DTRemenak | hopefully it's synced already |
| 00:50.07 | learner | has anyone verified a make distcheck lately? |
| 00:50.23 | DTRemenak | learner: not that I know of |
| 00:51.20 | DTRemenak | yeah, my updates should have hit anoncvs, they're on viewcvs |
| 00:52.02 | blast007 | k |
| 00:53.11 | blast007 | which build mode do you want me to try? |
| 00:54.31 | DTRemenak | Release |
| 00:54.38 | blast007 | k |
| 00:54.42 | DTRemenak | or Debug. doesn't matter. |
| 00:54.46 | DTRemenak | actually, any of them :) |
| 00:54.53 | DTRemenak | all of them ought to work |
| 00:55.43 | blast007 | k, building |
| 00:55.57 | blast007 | doing a non-sdl release build |
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| 00:56.50 | DTRemenak | w00t |
| 00:57.13 | DTRemenak | CIA is back! |
| 00:57.18 | blast007 | cool :) |
| 00:57.35 | DTRemenak | yay :) |
| 00:58.13 | My[DSMBR | when is the release coming =)) can't wait .... got to go pee ... but .... got to wait for bzflag 2.0 |
| 00:58.24 | blast007 | hehe |
| 00:58.56 | DTRemenak | My[DSMBR: the release process takes a while...but it seems to have begun |
| 00:59.10 | My[DSMBR | DTRemenak, thank god |
| 00:59.12 | learner | slowly but surely |
| 00:59.15 | DTRemenak | you have plenty of time to go to the bathroom |
| 00:59.27 | learner | no he doesn't |
| 00:59.28 | My[DSMBR | reach ... bathroom ... soon |
| 00:59.29 | learner | he must hold it |
| 00:59.29 | trepan | My[DSMBR: and, the rumour is that holding it in can cause impotence in males |
| 00:59.29 | DTRemenak | depending on your timezone it might be tomorrow before it's done |
| 00:59.30 | learner | until we are done |
| 00:59.41 | My[DSMBR | trepan, lool |
| 00:59.43 | My[DSMBR | :> |
| 00:59.52 | My[DSMBR | i know that |
| 00:59.52 | My[DSMBR | :P |
| 01:00.05 | My[DSMBR | but i'll give my potence away for bzflag! |
| 01:00.15 | DTRemenak | My[DSMBR: that's sad. very sad. |
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| 01:02.00 | blast007 | DTRemenak: http://ileague.xoopiter.com/builds/errors/vc6.txt |
| 01:02.25 | DTRemenak | oh. damn, I was hoping you wouldn't have that problem :S |
| 01:02.29 | trepan | heh |
| 01:02.34 | DTRemenak | trepan: can you take a look at that? |
| 01:02.34 | blast007 | :) |
| 01:02.58 | trepan | ain't go no windows over here, boos |
| 01:03.02 | DTRemenak | trepan: it also trips up the sunw compiler |
| 01:03.02 | trepan | s/boos/boss |
| 01:03.15 | DTRemenak | trepan: eh, just look at the errors |
| 01:03.34 | DTRemenak | I've got no clue what that stuff does, if I fixed it I'd probably end up making those bools global :) |
| 01:03.51 | DTRemenak | and I don't know if it would work :) |
| 01:04.21 | DTRemenak | blast007: thanks :) better to know than not, I guess... |
| 01:04.36 | DTRemenak | blast007: want to try bzfs now? |
| 01:04.52 | blast007 | sure |
| 01:04.54 | trepan | made ContextInitializer a class, and added a 'friend Class OpenGLGState' |
| 01:05.11 | trepan | dunno if structs can have friends, don't much care |
| 01:05.49 | trepan | other option is to put ContextInitializer into the public section |
| 01:08.15 | blast007 | bzfs.exe - 0 error(s), 0 warning(s) :D |
| 01:08.21 | Legoguy | :D |
| 01:08.30 | DTRemenak | ok, that's a GOOD thing :) |
| 01:08.41 | blast007 | yup :) |
| 01:08.51 | learner | woo hoo.. cia is back |
| 01:09.19 | Legoguy | nothing like bot love |
| 01:09.42 | DTRemenak | eek, windows does not handle multitasking very well... |
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| 01:09.55 | DTRemenak | ever try running three compilers at once? :) |
| 01:09.59 | Legoguy | what else is new :P |
| 01:11.49 | trepan | ccache should remove extraneous whitespace before generating MD5's |
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| 01:12.37 | DTRemenak | trepan: friend class thing didn't work |
| 01:12.37 | Legolas | hi |
| 01:13.02 | Legoguy | woah, that's nice, i start up trillian and cabrio meter spits three weather advisories at me |
| 01:13.02 | Legolas | is the release out? |
| 01:13.02 | Legoguy | :P |
| 01:13.02 | trepan | next up, make it public :) |
| 01:13.02 | Legoguy | Legolas: not yet ;) |
| 01:13.04 | DTRemenak | yup, doing that now |
| 01:13.07 | Legolas | darn |
| 01:13.35 | Legoguy | DTRemenak: what's going public right now? the release? what about the linux source tar.gz :P |
| 01:13.56 | DTRemenak | Legoguy: heh, no, just a class. |
| 01:14.01 | Legoguy | :P |
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| 01:14.22 | Tupone | hey lan56 |
| 01:14.24 | Legoguy | ah right; "public" in programming terms |
| 01:14.25 | lan56 | hey |
| 01:14.29 | DTRemenak | hiya lan56 :) |
| 01:14.36 | lan56 | hey folks |
| 01:14.37 | Tupone | we are all waiting for devc++ |
| 01:14.47 | Tupone | well, not me :) |
| 01:14.49 | lan56 | right, that is why I am here |
| 01:15.09 | lan56 | I have one question about the source, let me type it for a sec though |
| 01:15.42 | Legoguy | flood watch, flood statement, dense fog advisory.. sheesh |
| 01:15.51 | Legoguy | !weather 60031 |
| 01:15.54 | guu | Legoguy: The current temperature in Gurnee, Illinois is 35°F (6:55 PM CST on January 11, 2005). Conditions: Light Rain Mist. Humidity: 96%. Dew Point: 34°F. Wind: ENE at 13 mph (20 km/h). Pressure: 29.92 in (1013 hPa). Visibility: 3.0 miles (4.8 kilometers). UV: 0 out of 12 |
| 01:16.06 | lan56 | in line 266 of DropGeometry.cxx, G++ gives me a warning sayin that line ("return true;") will never be executed, is this a real warning or is it supposed to be like that? |
| 01:16.09 | blast007 | wow, my battery life really takes a hit when compiling ;) 40% of battery is giving me 16 minutes |
| 01:16.18 | Legoguy | ~weather kugn |
| 01:17.10 | lan56 | also gives that warning for line 270 |
| 01:17.27 | Legoguy | sorry for making bots spam guys heh |
| 01:18.26 | My[DSMBR | is today still today or is it already tomorrow? |
| 01:18.42 | DTRemenak | lan56: that's a bogus warning, the compiler's wrong. |
| 01:19.38 | lan56 | ahh, ty, that's what I thought |
| 01:20.09 | DTRemenak | heh, make distcheck failed: no space left on device :) |
| 01:20.26 | Tupone | I don't get that error :) |
| 01:20.41 | lan56 | and line 53 in OpenGLGState.cxx defines GET_CURRENT_CONTEXT but seems ignorant of previous definitions, I feel this may be a mess-up |
| 01:21.07 | lan56 | perhaps a forgotten #else, or something to that effect |
| 01:21.41 | blast007 | DTRemenak: making 'executingFreeFuncs' and 'executingInitFuncs' public in include/OpenGLState.h seemed to fix those errors |
| 01:21.55 | Tupone | line 53? I got a completely different line :/ |
| 01:22.20 | lan56 | tupone: should say, "#define GET_CURRENT_CONTEXT aglGetCurrentContext" |
| 01:22.25 | DTRemenak | lan56: you sure you're all updated? I don't get any defines anywhere near there |
| 01:22.27 | trepan | lan56: did you update your sources within the past 3/4 weeks? |
| 01:22.36 | Tupone | line 1512 ? |
| 01:22.38 | lan56 | yes, today a few hours ago |
| 01:22.41 | lan56 | brb |
| 01:23.17 | Tupone | no agl :/ |
| 01:23.21 | Tupone | it is old |
| 01:24.02 | learner | wwoo.. this might actually work on 10.2 |
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| 01:24.07 | learner | any 10.2 folks that can test? |
| 01:24.38 | lan56 | back, let me update then, probably it |
| 01:25.07 | *** part/#bzflag amathis (~amathis@cpe-024-165-186-204.midsouth.rr.com) |
| 01:25.13 | trepan | but, but, you already updated a few hours ago? |
| 01:25.19 | learner | lan56, been a while |
| 01:25.32 | blast007 | DTRemenak: second build attempt: http://ileague.xoopiter.com/builds/errors/vc6_2.txt |
| 01:25.40 | lan56 | learner: yes, it has, a long, while |
| 01:25.42 | blast007 | just simple things this time |
| 01:25.58 | lan56 | tupone: yes, updating fixed it, thank you three very much |
| 01:26.12 | DTRemenak | blast007: that looks more like I expected |
| 01:26.25 | blast007 | the 'bzflag' project need to have RTTI turned on |
| 01:26.29 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 01:26.42 | blast007 | and those missing files I think were moved to 'game' |
| 01:26.44 | DTRemenak | and a couple files have moved from src/bzflag to src/game |
| 01:26.46 | DTRemenak | yeah |
| 01:27.28 | DTRemenak | and you know how to deal with the error in ShotStrategy, right? |
| 01:27.40 | blast007 | yup |
| 01:27.47 | DTRemenak | cool |
| 01:28.15 | DTRemenak | now, if only TimRiker were around we could probably convince him to add you to the project... |
| 01:28.17 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03lan56 * 10bzflag/Dev-C++/bzfs.dev: updates so far |
| 01:29.58 | lan56 | wait a minute, I forgot to update my sandbox, forget that commit, sry |
| 01:30.11 | Legoguy | hah |
| 01:30.25 | trepan | apparently, too compassionate for reciprocal violence |
| 01:31.05 | Legoguy | that reminds me |
| 01:31.13 | Legoguy | i was going to play gta:vc this afternoon |
| 01:31.15 | Legoguy | poohey |
| 01:31.19 | blast007 | :) |
| 01:31.35 | DTRemenak | blast007: all working now? |
| 01:31.48 | blast007 | still compiling, hehe |
| 01:31.54 | DTRemenak | :) |
| 01:32.07 | Legoguy | yes, smilies are good within hours of release time |
| 01:33.59 | blast007 | hehe, linker errors now...must be some missing files |
| 01:34.04 | DTRemenak | yeah, probably |
| 01:35.22 | blast007 | http://ileague.xoopiter.com/builds/errors/vc6_3.txt |
| 01:35.52 | blast007 | that was in the 'bzflag' project |
| 01:37.39 | DTRemenak | Plan.cxx from src/bzflag |
| 01:38.03 | DTRemenak | eek |
| 01:38.21 | DTRemenak | EntryZone.cxx from src/bzflag |
| 01:38.44 | blast007 | and StartupInfo.cxx in src/game |
| 01:38.52 | DTRemenak | yup |
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| 01:39.53 | learner | hello Aribeth |
| 01:40.08 | Aribeth | learner, hi |
| 01:40.10 | blast007 | and last, Weapon.cxx from src/bzflag |
| 01:40.13 | DTRemenak | and Weapon.cxx in src/bzflag |
| 01:40.15 | DTRemenak | :) |
| 01:40.16 | blast007 | w00t, it built |
| 01:40.25 | DTRemenak | cool :) |
| 01:40.37 | DTRemenak | now... if you wanna do a cvs diff and post the patch, that would just rock :) |
| 01:41.01 | DTRemenak | ~blast007++ |
| 01:41.16 | blast007 | k |
| 01:42.37 | DTRemenak | and if you want to keep maintaining the vc6 project, you should probably ask Tim for dev cvs access |
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| 01:42.58 | blast007 | k |
| 01:43.13 | Canada3332 | hey Cods, Thumper |
| 01:44.30 | Tupone | bzflag-1.11.34.20050107.tar.gz is ready for distribution |
| 01:44.34 | Tupone | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:44.49 | Tupone | at least make distcheck is good for linux |
| 01:45.02 | trepan | Tupone: buildDate.cxx: #define BZ_REV 37 |
| 01:45.05 | DTRemenak | .34? |
| 01:45.25 | Tupone | someone has bumped revision? |
| 01:45.30 | DTRemenak | several times |
| 01:45.31 | trepan | DTRemenak: i would also suggest bumping protocol before release |
| 01:45.40 | Canada3332 | how do i put my fedora build/make into a SRPMS or an RPM? |
| 01:45.43 | DTRemenak | does someone want to look at http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1100328&group_id=3248&atid=303248 ? |
| 01:45.59 | Tupone | I was just testing make distcheck |
| 01:47.13 | Canada3332 | can someone tell me how to make my sucessful make into a RPM for FC2 users? |
| 01:48.13 | trepan | hehe, just lost all my patches with an up -C :) |
| 01:48.31 | DTRemenak | trepan! tsk tsk |
| 01:48.53 | AftRburnR | backups are a beautiful thing... |
| 01:49.15 | trepan | didn't really matter, i was ditching them when the release came out |
| 01:49.54 | trepan | normally, i'd be a little more cautious about 100K worth of junk ;) |
| 01:50.19 | DTRemenak | trepan: didn't you have one for mesh-edge collisions? that would have been nice :S |
| 01:51.11 | trepan | mesh edge tables, some physics fixes, and relative "include"'s |
| 01:51.41 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03lan56 * 10bzflag/Dev-C++/bzflag.dev: updates for the last few years :) that brings these project files up to date and compilable entirely with no problems |
| 01:51.58 | lan56 | there, as good as new :) |
| 01:52.06 | blast007 | :) |
| 01:52.08 | DTRemenak | ~lan56++ |
| 01:52.56 | lan56 | there is no need for that, it's just part of what I chose and was assigned to do, continue with the conversation before the commit |
| 01:54.09 | trepan | DTRemenak: and changed some of the _rainXXX and _mirror params to use isTrue(), the "none" seems to be confusing folks |
| 01:54.29 | DTRemenak | lan56: just showing appreciation that you continue to volunteer to do it. |
| 01:55.27 | learner | cool, build works nice |
| 01:55.30 | lan56 | dtremenak: I quite appreciate it very much, just wish I had more time to get it done as it happens, but nonetheless, glad to do it |
| 01:55.39 | learner | any mac user care to test? |
| 01:58.09 | Aribeth | wish i could |
| 01:58.20 | learner | how are the other platforms dealing with the sdl libraries? |
| 01:58.42 | DTRemenak | learner: win doesn't use it |
| 01:58.59 | DTRemenak | linux does the install it yourself thing |
| 01:59.04 | DTRemenak | package manager dependencies |
| 01:59.39 | DTRemenak | when/if windows moves over, the dll will be distributed with the client, just like we do libcurl now |
| 02:00.31 | DTRemenak | funny, TimRiker still hasn't shown up. |
| 02:00.44 | DTRemenak | he may miss the whole thing entirely |
| 02:01.06 | blast007 | https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1100594&group_id=3248&atid=303248 |
| 02:01.17 | lan56 | dtremenak: how come windows doesn't use SDL? |
| 02:01.51 | DTRemenak | lan56: primarily speed. some inertia. |
| 02:02.10 | trepan | something about rumble joysticks too? |
| 02:02.21 | DTRemenak | yeah. dx joystick code |
| 02:02.35 | lan56 | ahh, I see. |
| 02:03.12 | learner | hehe |
| 02:03.13 | learner | -rwxr-xr-x 1 sean graphics 6570704 11 Jan 20:56 bzadmin |
| 02:03.13 | learner | -rwxr-xr-x 1 sean graphics 33810200 11 Jan 20:56 bzflag |
| 02:03.13 | learner | -rwxr-xr-x 1 sean graphics 20513176 11 Jan 20:56 bzfs |
| 02:03.26 | learner | also same non-static curiously enough |
| 02:03.31 | DTRemenak | geez, how about no -g there? |
| 02:03.49 | learner | but but.. i like my symbols in crash reports :) |
| 02:04.06 | DTRemenak | heh. how many people will download a 70 mb game though? :) |
| 02:04.16 | DTRemenak | meh, I take it back :) |
| 02:05.44 | learner | -rw-r--r-- 1 sean graphics 17952547 11 Jan 21:03 bzflag-2.0.tar.gz |
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| 02:05.55 | DTRemenak | trepan: is making those bools public an ok solution? I haven't found anything else that works satisfactorily. |
| 02:06.09 | jifl | does bzedit support the v2 objects/features yet? |
| 02:06.12 | DTRemenak | ~blast007++ |
| 02:06.21 | DTRemenak | jifl: no |
| 02:06.38 | trepan | DTRemenak: which bools? |
| 02:07.01 | blast007 | 'executingFreeFuncs' and 'executingInitFuncs'? |
| 02:07.04 | DTRemenak | ContextInitializer::executingFreeFuncs and ContextInitializer::executingInitFuncs |
| 02:07.25 | Tupone | cya guys, late for me :( |
| 02:07.25 | trepan | you mean making the whole class public? |
| 02:07.39 | DTRemenak | no. just the bools public in the class |
| 02:07.40 | blast007 | Tupone: cya |
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| 02:08.04 | DTRemenak | they have to be read and written to by the class in which the class that they're in is nested |
| 02:08.06 | trepan | ah, ya, sure |
| 02:08.10 | DTRemenak | so friend won't work |
| 02:08.21 | DTRemenak | ok |
| 02:08.50 | learner | ~seen |tim| |
| 02:08.52 | ibot | |tim| <~|tim|@ip68-111-10-130.sb.sd.cox.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #brlcad, 55m 19s ago, saying: 'yea'. |
| 02:10.42 | DTRemenak | Making install in fonts make[4]: *** No rule to make target `readme', needed by `install-data-local' |
| 02:10.52 | DTRemenak | something about that seems bogus to me |
| 02:14.06 | DTRemenak | hmph, idiotic windows filesystems. |
| 02:14.50 | DTRemenak | ok, make distcheck works as well as one could expect on fat32 |
| 02:18.20 | learner | heh |
| 02:19.09 | DTRemenak | it all builds, but make install fails because a file named "readme" in the .tar.gz will expand to "README" on the filesystem, but make expects "readme" still... |
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| 02:20.44 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/ (4 files in 3 dirs): check in blast007's patch 1100594 to make VC6 compiles work |
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| 02:22.44 | learner | quality: http://my.bzflag.bz/bb |
| 02:23.36 | DTRemenak | says what? I get host not found |
| 02:23.49 | blast007 | "The page cannot be displayed" :) |
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| 02:25.38 | SportChick | sgk! |
| 02:25.44 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ShotStrategy.cxx: oops |
| 02:25.53 | DTRemenak | heya sgk284 |
| 02:26.04 | sgk284 | hey DTRemenak |
| 02:26.11 | sgk284 | hey SportChick ! |
| 02:27.36 | sgk284 | so the release date is today? |
| 02:27.42 | DTRemenak | yup, in progress |
| 02:27.52 | sgk284 | awesome |
| 02:28.14 | sgk284 | whats that mean exactly? the final versions being compiled, packaged, tested, etc...? |
| 02:28.39 | sgk284 | or we didnt get that far yet :) |
| 02:29.20 | DTRemenak | compile checks and make distchecks at this point |
| 02:30.12 | sgk284 | nice |
| 02:30.36 | DTRemenak | if all goes well now (looks like it is), we can set the version numbers and tag cvs |
| 02:31.04 | DTRemenak | then build source archives and binaries |
| 02:31.11 | learner | still have xcode fixes underway uncommited |
| 02:31.15 | DTRemenak | ok |
| 02:32.03 | DTRemenak | vc6 and 7 and dev-c++ projects are done, make distcheck works on all three main platforms. xcode is the last project out, right? |
| 02:32.54 | learner | well, irix and solaris if they count :) |
| 02:33.08 | DTRemenak | meh |
| 02:33.21 | DTRemenak | I'll check solaris... |
| 02:33.21 | learner | could update the spec files and version numbers, and verify the changelog |
| 02:34.04 | DTRemenak | yup, that's what I've been going off of |
| 02:34.44 | orange | does anyone else get this on linux (redhat9): http://www.pastebin.com/227880 |
| 02:35.01 | orange | (did a checkout from anonymous about 1 hour ago) |
| 02:35.58 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/platform/MacOSX/BZFlag.pbproj/ (Makefile.am project.pbxproj): project builder is no more -- project updated to xcode |
| 02:36.04 | learner | Mac test build uploaded and ready to test: http://bzflag.bz/builds/. |
| 02:36.39 | DTRemenak | learner: do we have a configure check for ctype? |
| 02:37.00 | DTRemenak | see orange's comment |
| 02:37.42 | orange | I don't think this matters for release... feel free to ignore me on this one for now |
| 02:37.49 | orange | (shouldn't have brought it up :-) |
| 02:38.00 | learner | ctype header? no |
| 02:38.06 | DTRemenak | orange: if it doesn't compile on some platform, that needs to be fixed :) |
| 02:39.33 | learner | (any more) |
| 02:40.53 | DTRemenak | yup, I don't see one either |
| 02:41.09 | learner | not been modified in a while either |
| 02:41.44 | DTRemenak | I can't find a revision that _does_ have ctype included, actually |
| 02:42.50 | learner | orange is just trying to slow us down |
| 02:43.04 | DTRemenak | heh :) |
| 02:43.19 | orange | feel free to ignore me, seriously, if it works for others |
| 02:43.22 | orange | it's not important right now |
| 02:43.51 | DTRemenak | well, it is important if it's a problem in the code, but it's not...it's your fault :P |
| 02:44.43 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 02:44.56 | learner | seriously.. that's how we're using ChangeLog right now |
| 02:45.23 | learner | ChangeLog is normally different though |
| 02:49.42 | orange | adding this fixed it: #include <ctype.h> |
| 02:50.04 | orange | but... how would isspace work for others *without* that? |
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| 03:17.23 | sgk284 | orange, what file what line? |
| 03:17.32 | sgk284 | cvs just update and compiled fine on FC3 |
| 03:17.44 | sgk284 | s/update/updated |
| 03:17.46 | orange | sgk284: http://www.pastebin.com/227880 |
| 03:18.43 | sgk284 | and adding #include <ctype.h> fixed it? |
| 03:19.00 | orange | yes |
| 03:19.22 | orange | indeed, the man page for isspace calls for ctype.h |
| 03:19.28 | orange | so I don't know why it isn't broken for everyone |
| 03:19.34 | orange | perhaps I'm checking out the wrong thing |
| 03:19.46 | orange | cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.sf.net:/cvsroot/bzflag login |
| 03:19.46 | orange | cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.sf.net:/cvsroot/bzflag checkout bzflag |
| 03:20.12 | DTRemenak | yeah, ctype should be included |
| 03:20.33 | DTRemenak | even on windows isspace is in ctype.h |
| 03:21.35 | DTRemenak | and we use it elsewhere too |
| 03:22.23 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/KeyboardMapMenu.cxx: include ctype.h for isspace |
| 03:22.34 | orange | thanks :-) |
| 03:22.46 | DTRemenak | it's probably indirectly included from somewhere else |
| 03:22.57 | sgk284 | stole the words outta my mouth:) |
| 03:23.00 | orange | except for me :-) |
| 03:23.13 | sgk284 | you sure you werent playing with things? |
| 03:23.22 | orange | no touchy the code |
| 03:23.31 | orange | I removed everything and checked out again, same deal |
| 03:23.40 | sgk284 | :/ |
| 03:24.11 | orange | but it is rh9, so I know it's old |
| 03:24.30 | DTRemenak | could be a header for gcc includes it somewhere (except for orange) |
| 03:25.09 | DTRemenak | but the reason is academic, if we use a function defined in a certain header, that header should be included. |
| 03:25.10 | sgk284 | heh |
| 03:25.42 | orange | I do this to build: |
| 03:25.42 | orange | ./autogen.sh && ./configure --enable-debug && nice make |
| 03:25.44 | orange | (fwiw) |
| 03:26.13 | DTRemenak | learner: autoconf on solaris is being mean. |
| 03:26.35 | DTRemenak | I don't really understand it :( |
| 03:26.52 | DTRemenak | I get both of these as output from configure: |
| 03:27.01 | DTRemenak | checking for sqrtf in -lm... no |
| 03:27.07 | DTRemenak | checking for sqrtf... yes |
| 03:27.28 | DTRemenak | and since it's defined the second time, it doesn't activate the definition in common.h, so the compile fails. |
| 03:27.48 | DTRemenak | I don't see how it could be defined without the math lib, but not with it. |
| 03:28.06 | DTRemenak | unless some crazy header vodoo is going on |
| 03:28.55 | orange | DTRemenak: I jinxed the headers |
| 03:28.58 | learner | the first is supposed to be limited to the -lm library to some extent |
| 03:29.12 | DTRemenak | ok. so why won't it compile then? |
| 03:29.19 | learner | but yeah.. it is wierd that it would find it otherwise |
| 03:29.42 | learner | someone must modify the ldflags/cflags after that check |
| 03:30.15 | DTRemenak | but the later ones would be the same as the ones that would end up being used for the compile, right? |
| 03:30.31 | DTRemenak | so I shouldn't get it as undefined when compiling. |
| 03:31.17 | learner | unless if it's actually really overwritten later |
| 03:32.14 | learner | what's the actual failure? |
| 03:32.33 | learner | that order should just effectively need that you don't need -lm to get sqrt |
| 03:33.09 | DTRemenak | just a sec, it feels the need to recompile until it hits the error |
| 03:33.21 | sgk284 | <off topic>that new mac is irresistable... i think i may finally become a mac user</off topic> |
| 03:33.43 | Nidhoggr | hi sgk284... I agree... it's really sweet looking. |
| 03:34.24 | sgk284 | :) |
| 03:34.25 | DTRemenak | ../../include/MathUtils.h:167: `sqrtf' undeclared (first use this function) |
| 03:34.36 | sgk284 | the specs aren't half bad either:) |
| 03:34.47 | sgk284 | now i just have to look at costs of a monitor for it |
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| 03:34.57 | learner | DTRemenak, that's a different problem |
| 03:34.59 | learner | missing header |
| 03:35.10 | DTRemenak | MathUtils.h includes math.h and common.h. math.h defines sqrt and common.h ought to define sqrtf as (float)sqrt but doesn't |
| 03:35.31 | DTRemenak | because HAVE_SQRTF is defined |
| 03:35.56 | learner | HAVE_SQRTF just means it was able to link against the symbol |
| 03:36.19 | learner | man sqrtf say it's in math.h? |
| 03:36.30 | DTRemenak | No manual entry for sqrtf |
| 03:36.38 | learner | man pow |
| 03:36.50 | DTRemenak | #include <math.h> |
| 03:37.19 | learner | hrm |
| 03:37.24 | DTRemenak | grep sqrtf * in /usr/include gets nothing |
| 03:37.33 | DTRemenak | seriously, it's not there |
| 03:37.47 | learner | ahh, so it's in the C lib but missing from the headers |
| 03:38.01 | trepan | grep -R ? |
| 03:38.17 | DTRemenak | grep: illegal option -- R |
| 03:38.40 | learner | find /usr/local -type f -exec grep sqrt {} /dev/null \; |
| 03:38.48 | learner | s/local/include/ |
| 03:40.13 | DTRemenak | I'm assuming s/sqrt/sqrtf too, right? |
| 03:40.29 | learner | actually was wondering if there was any sqrt |
| 03:40.37 | DTRemenak | of course there is, that's in math.h |
| 03:40.51 | DTRemenak | if I #define sqrtf (float)sqrt it works fine |
| 03:41.06 | DTRemenak | but that's what configure is supposed to figure out for me |
| 03:41.14 | learner | so you didn't see another sqrtf ? |
| 03:41.25 | DTRemenak | yeah, it picked one up |
| 03:41.30 | learner | actually it only checked if it _exists_.. |
| 03:41.35 | DTRemenak | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:42.18 | DTRemenak | but that's it |
| 03:42.41 | learner | that's probably how it found it |
| 03:42.52 | DTRemenak | but that's __sqrtf not sqrtf |
| 03:42.55 | DTRemenak | so it shouldn't have |
| 03:43.06 | learner | if you add "extern float sqrtf(float);" it'd probably link just fine |
| 03:43.39 | trepan | DTRemenak: what compiler again? my headers have sqrtf secretly declared in /usr/include/bits/mathcalls.h, within a macro |
| 03:43.47 | DTRemenak | trepan: gcc/solaris |
| 03:44.47 | learner | DTRemenak, just out of curiosity.. can you put that extern in config.h |
| 03:45.02 | learner | and see if it links |
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| 03:45.07 | DTRemenak | sure. but it'll take an hour or two to get to link stage. |
| 03:45.10 | learner | hi jolly :) |
| 03:45.16 | jolly | hey learner :) |
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| 03:51.13 | DTRemenak | DynamicColor.cxx:433: `cosf' undeclared (first use this function) |
| 03:51.49 | learner | ahh, same problem |
| 03:51.55 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 03:52.02 | learner | hrm.. so how to improve the check for more than existence |
| 03:57.04 | DTRemenak | learner: the checks come out correctly when using sunwpro |
| 03:57.08 | DTRemenak | just not with gcc |
| 03:57.11 | learner | heh |
| 03:57.32 | DTRemenak | it remains to be seen if the rest of the darn thing will compile though :) |
| 03:58.36 | learner | try adding: AC_TRY_LINK([#include <math.h>], [(void)sqrf(1.0f);], have_sqrtf=yes, have_sqrtf=no) |
| 03:58.54 | learner | echo "HAVE SQRTF is $have_sqrtf" |
| 03:59.06 | learner | and see what configure output says |
| 04:04.10 | DTRemenak | is there a way to do a configure "dry run" - e.g. have it not screw up the config.h that make is using in the other session? |
| 04:04.27 | learner | i believe so |
| 04:04.56 | learner | ./configure --no-create |
| 04:05.09 | learner | er |
| 04:05.10 | learner | no |
| 04:05.26 | learner | that's it's own config files maybe |
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| 04:06.31 | learner | ahh, never mind.. that was right |
| 04:06.41 | DTRemenak | heh, ok |
| 04:06.42 | learner | "One of the primary functions of `configure' is to generate output files. This option prevents `configure' from generating such output files. You can think of this as a kind of dry run, although the cache will still be modified." |
| 04:07.36 | DTRemenak | HAVE_SQRTF is no |
| 04:07.40 | DTRemenak | based on that test |
| 04:07.49 | learner | excellent |
| 04:08.27 | DTRemenak | I still can't figure out why AC_CHECK_FUNCS thinks it's there |
| 04:10.13 | learner | or fix the warnings? :) |
| 04:10.20 | DTRemenak | I get a lot of "variable hides class::variable" |
| 04:10.43 | DTRemenak | and unless we want to enforce uniqueness, I'd just as soon disable that warning |
| 04:10.57 | DTRemenak | and if we do want to enforce it, then we ought to turn it on in gcc |
| 04:11.08 | learner | ahh |
| 04:11.11 | learner | bleh, yeah |
| 04:11.15 | learner | not for solaris |
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| 04:12.00 | DTRemenak | and I get some stupid anachronism warnings too |
| 04:12.11 | DTRemenak | every single singleton, for instance |
| 04:12.19 | Grumbler | hmm, the post with 1.11.37 disappeared |
| 04:12.27 | DTRemenak | there never was one |
| 04:12.32 | DTRemenak | 1.11.36 was the last build I did |
| 04:12.46 | DTRemenak | and it's in Releases and Versions |
| 04:13.15 | JeffM2501 | why does noone ever read the anoucements? |
| 04:13.27 | Grumbler | i did |
| 04:13.35 | learner | JeffM2501, updated upload (.bz2 file) |
| 04:13.44 | JeffM2501 | good lord |
| 04:13.50 | JeffM2501 | you doing every compression known to man? |
| 04:14.06 | Grumbler | but i saw that learner has a 1.11.37 and assumed that was the recent version i got earlier today....... |
| 04:14.13 | purple_cow | .tar.zip? :) |
| 04:14.40 | Grumbler | mixing the mac and win releases in the same topic sux btw |
| 04:14.45 | JeffM2501 | tar.zip is just wrong |
| 04:14.49 | DTRemenak | Grumbler: they are essentially the same |
| 04:14.58 | DTRemenak | there are about 5 hours between them |
| 04:15.07 | purple_cow | tar-bin-hex? |
| 04:15.28 | JeffM2501 | tar.cab |
| 04:15.28 | DTRemenak | and no real significant changes |
| 04:15.33 | DTRemenak | ewww |
| 04:15.33 | purple_cow | JeffM2501: eek! |
| 04:15.37 | Grumbler | whatever, i was wondering since i had assume 1.11.37 was the one i got earlier\ |
| 04:15.37 | JeffM2501 | :) |
| 04:16.38 | JeffM2501 | ie on 10.2 does NOT like bz2 files |
| 04:16.38 | purple_cow | JeffM2501: you win |
| 04:16.59 | JeffM2501 | tar.pak |
| 04:17.32 | DTRemenak | tar.rar? |
| 04:17.54 | JeffM2501 | rar.tar |
| 04:18.23 | orange | someone needs to work a cpio in there somewhere |
| 04:18.53 | learner | purple_cow, scanline got home okay i see? :) |
| 04:19.12 | JeffM2501 | what had happend to the CIA? |
| 04:19.21 | JeffM2501 | was it taken out by the underguverment? |
| 04:19.35 | purple_cow | JeffM2501: scanline went out of time and it was punishing him for it |
| 04:19.47 | JeffM2501 | he's a timelord? |
| 04:19.57 | purple_cow | err, town :) |
| 04:20.12 | purple_cow | could be he's hiding a TARDIS in his closet, but I haven't heard it |
| 04:20.14 | learner | those crazy time travellers |
| 04:20.20 | learner | always getting punished |
| 04:21.05 | JeffM2501 | paradox sux |
| 04:21.57 | JeffM2501 | learner libcurl.2.dylib |
| 04:22.12 | JeffM2501 | waits for the obligitory curse |
| 04:22.26 | JeffM2501 | that starts with "mother" |
| 04:22.57 | learner | mother goose! |
| 04:23.05 | learner | gdfs |
| 04:23.54 | learner | do you have any libcurl? |
| 04:24.03 | JeffM2501 | nope |
| 04:24.07 | JeffM2501 | base 10.2 install |
| 04:24.19 | JeffM2501 | all it was used for was flashing ATI video cards |
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| 04:24.40 | learner | should maybe still have libcurl.. |
| 04:24.44 | JeffM2501 | aka, this is the same as every 11year olds iMac out there |
| 04:24.50 | learner | perhaps just not libcurl.2. |
| 04:24.54 | JeffM2501 | how would I check |
| 04:25.00 | learner | locate libcurl |
| 04:25.10 | JeffM2501 | nada |
| 04:25.12 | JeffM2501 | zip |
| 04:25.15 | JeffM2501 | zilch |
| 04:25.18 | JeffM2501 | squat |
| 04:25.22 | JeffM2501 | budkiss |
| 04:25.31 | JeffM2501 | zero |
| 04:25.56 | JeffM2501 | the inverse of x aproaching infiniity |
| 04:26.11 | learner | *rose bud |
| 04:26.33 | DTRemenak | learner: fwiw, the sunwpro compile works again. still doesn't link on ild, but it never did... |
| 04:26.47 | purple_cow | eep |
| 04:26.58 | learner | JeffM2501, locate libcrypto |
| 04:27.23 | JeffM2501 | nothing |
| 04:27.35 | purple_cow | ow |
| 04:27.47 | learner | damn.. that's a problem then |
| 04:27.48 | JeffM2501 | give him a dollar and he'll do it again |
| 04:28.01 | learner | ls -la /usr/libcryp* |
| 04:28.08 | learner | er, /usr/lib/libcryp* |
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| 04:29.47 | DTRemenak | bryjen: I've got 3.5 hours left in today :) |
| 04:29.57 | learner | me too :) |
| 04:30.11 | learner | *ahem* |
| 04:30.23 | bryjen | its not 23:30 in learnerland? |
| 04:30.53 | JeffM2501 | learner you want ssh? |
| 04:31.16 | learner | JeffM2501, *sigh* okay :) |
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| 04:32.17 | Legolas | is it out yet? |
| 04:34.38 | JeffM2501 | yeah you missed it, you'll have to wait till next year |
| 04:35.03 | Grumbler | dtr is just trying to prove his original assumption....... |
| 04:36.00 | JeffM2501 | anyword from "teh man" |
| 04:36.33 | learner | Legolas, no questions now -- it's out when it's out, you'll know |
| 04:37.24 | DTRemenak | Legolas: we're busy with it right now. It's like doing surgery: it takes a while, and asking questions just slows it down and makes it more prone to error. |
| 04:37.37 | Legolas | ok |
| 04:37.50 | JeffM2501 | aww you made the kid cry |
| 04:37.50 | creeperz | releasing tonight? |
| 04:37.52 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 04:37.58 | JeffM2501 | when it's done it's done |
| 04:38.02 | JeffM2501 | and it'll say so in the topic |
| 04:38.04 | JeffM2501 | on bzbb |
| 04:38.07 | JeffM2501 | on SF |
| 04:38.09 | JeffM2501 | and on the main page |
| 04:38.12 | DTRemenak | probably on /. |
| 04:38.19 | learner | JeffM2501: only if we were lucky :) |
| 04:38.35 | learner | (re. cry) |
| 04:38.39 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 04:39.11 | DTRemenak | heh, next time he comes in I should say "dang, the knife slipped when you asked that, and I killed it. now we have to start all over." |
| 04:40.03 | JeffM2501 | or "oh it didn't work out, looks like it's back to the drawing board" |
| 04:40.07 | Grumbler | you might get more done doing things, then commenting on an innocent question......at least that is what ya'all said |
| 04:40.17 | *** topic/#bzflag by JeffM2501 -> http://BZFlag.org/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/bb/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/ || http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/BZFlag || 1.11.x builds http://my.bzflag.org/builds/1.11/ || Shellshock is revived http://shellshock.bzflag.bz || Release date is TODAY || Wiki requires registration (where??) || NO IT'S NOT OUT YET |
| 04:40.24 | *** join/#bzflag wegstar (~wegstar@adsl-67-123-175-229.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net) |
| 04:40.33 | JeffM2501 | hey I'm not doing anything on it :) |
| 04:40.37 | JeffM2501 | I can chatter all I want |
| 04:40.42 | JeffM2501 | I |
| 04:40.45 | DTRemenak | I'm just waiting for solaris to finish. I guess I could be doing something useful while I'm waiting... |
| 04:40.53 | JeffM2501 | I'm doing nothing AND helping at the same time :) |
| 04:41.12 | DTRemenak | standing at the door of the operating room with your shotgun, so to speak |
| 04:41.29 | JeffM2501 | no, leting learner crawl all up in the 10.2 mac |
| 04:41.38 | JeffM2501 | that I have my feet on |
| 04:41.52 | DTRemenak | learner's crawling under your feet? wierd. |
| 04:42.01 | JeffM2501 | he's kooky like that |
| 04:42.30 | JeffM2501 | still not as funny as when purple_cow was ripping DVDs on sasami, forced the CD to eject remotely and sent me a "next" message in chat. |
| 04:42.38 | learner | i found a cookie |
| 04:42.39 | DTRemenak | hahaha |
| 04:42.55 | DTRemenak | don't eat it, it's prolly stale :) |
| 04:43.05 | JeffM2501 | or when he made it play sound and typed "can you hear that? is it in english?" |
| 04:43.16 | DTRemenak | :) |
| 04:43.19 | learner | :) |
| 04:43.25 | DTRemenak | :) |
| 04:45.01 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/configure.in: must not have saved the file before commiting.. make the pbproj go away -- using xcode now. |
| 04:45.56 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/ (README.SOLARIS src/bzflag/WeatherRenderer.h): One last touch to fix the SUNWPro compile. Remove note in README.SOLARIS that says it's b0rken 'cause it's not anymore. |
| 04:46.41 | DTRemenak | btw: ild does not like reciprocal dependencies... |
| 04:49.29 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/platform/MacOSX/Makefile.am: okay, what's the deal.. pretty sure I commited this.. make the pbproj go away -- using xcode now. |
| 04:51.55 | wegstar | !weather 94030 |
| 04:51.57 | guu | wegstar: The current temperature in Millbrae, California is 50°F (7:56 PM PST on January 11, 2005). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 45°F. Pressure: 30.05 in (1018 hPa). Visibility: 10.0 miles (16.1 kilometers). UV: 0 out of 12 |
| 04:52.10 | wegstar | !dwa |
| 04:52.11 | guu | wegstar: Buy me dinner first. |
| 04:52.20 | DTRemenak | hahaha |
| 04:52.26 | wegstar | aw... |
| 04:54.18 | Grumbler | enough talking....back to work...you have 6 minutes |
| 04:54.28 | DTRemenak | three hours and 6 minutes :) |
| 04:54.46 | DTRemenak | five hours and 6 minutes? |
| 04:56.00 | sgk284 | my day ends in 5 minutes.... :) |
| 04:56.10 | sgk284 | JeffM2501, get warping! |
| 04:56.26 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 04:56.26 | JeffM2501 | wow |
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| 04:58.55 | DTRemenak | isn't that liable to be a tad...large? |
| 04:59.22 | learner | only needs SDL |
| 04:59.31 | DTRemenak | ah, ok |
| 04:59.46 | learner | all this is for that 1 dang dependancy (and maybe libcurl) |
| 04:59.54 | learner | is libcurl "required"? |
| 05:00.02 | DTRemenak | "no" :) |
| 05:00.11 | DTRemenak | it's a darn good idea to have |
| 05:00.20 | DTRemenak | if you don't have it some stuff breaks, I think |
| 05:00.30 | learner | like? |
| 05:00.41 | bryjen | but it doesn't crash ;) |
| 05:01.02 | DTRemenak | motd? |
| 05:01.13 | DTRemenak | whatever else uses URLManager? |
| 05:01.28 | bryjen | master ban list? |
| 05:01.45 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 05:02.02 | bryjen | fetching binary worlds from http/ftp |
| 05:02.16 | learner | ahh, it _does_ have libcurl/libcrypto |
| 05:02.21 | learner | locate database never updated |
| 05:03.16 | DTRemenak | yeah, those look like the list. motd, masterbans, and binary worlds by url |
| 05:03.54 | learner | s/to/in place of/ |
| 05:03.55 | JeffM2501 | there may be, it's not used |
| 05:04.05 | JeffM2501 | or was never put into URL manager |
| 05:04.05 | DTRemenak | there was supposed to be, I think |
| 05:04.10 | JeffM2501 | it's stubbed |
| 05:04.13 | DTRemenak | yeah. it's not in there now |
| 05:04.21 | JeffM2501 | Tim was suposed to get right on that |
| 05:04.30 | JeffM2501 | since he was the only anti-curl |
| 05:04.34 | DTRemenak | curl is a better solution anyway |
| 05:04.52 | sgk284 | ~seen TimRiker |
| 05:04.53 | ibot | timriker <~timr@TimRiker.active.supporter.pdpc> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 5d 11h 24m 3s ago, saying: 'built and posted new .debs'. |
| 05:05.09 | sgk284 | sure he wasnt struck by lightning? |
| 05:05.49 | sgk284 | ~rot13 sgk284 |
| 05:05.49 | ibot | ftx284 |
| 05:05.57 | sgk284 | ~rot47 sgk284 |
| 05:06.01 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 05:06.04 | sgk284 | :( |
| 05:07.04 | sgk284 | heh rot47 on the README.Linux for bzflag looks like perl |
| 05:07.23 | learner | most things rot47 look like perl |
| 05:07.33 | sgk284 | lol |
| 05:13.03 | DTRemenak | learner: with config.h edited by hand, bz compiles fine on gcc/solaris |
| 05:13.21 | DTRemenak | so that leaves just irix, right? |
| 05:13.39 | DTRemenak | and beos? |
| 05:13.52 | learner | pretty much |
| 05:14.05 | Grumbler | and they all work prefectly right? |
| 05:15.37 | learner | of coourse |
| 05:15.54 | learner | irix already let me know he's going to try and cause grief |
| 05:16.06 | learner | so he's being punished to 2.0.2 |
| 05:16.10 | DTRemenak | heh :) |
| 05:16.31 | sgk284 | you can pull a Doom 3 kinda deal and release irix after the initial release:) |
| 05:17.05 | sgk284 | or is that a big no no? |
| 05:17.45 | learner | hmm? |
| 05:17.54 | Grumbler | yeah, but Doom3 is trying to make money |
| 05:18.03 | learner | irix is going to be released later |
| 05:18.17 | sgk284 | yey learner:) |
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| 05:38.34 | sgk284 | okay guys get reading: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_travel |
| 05:38.41 | sgk284 | ;) |
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| 05:48.48 | learner | lo MeBigFatGuy |
| 05:48.53 | MeBigFatGuy | yo |
| 05:49.07 | MeBigFatGuy | the ms, has a new 160 drive, and quite pleased |
| 05:49.18 | learner | cool :) |
| 05:49.22 | MeBigFatGuy | os upgrade to comence tomorrow |
| 05:50.03 | DTRemenak | learner: how goes the mac-build? |
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| 05:50.45 | learner | DTRemenak, unable to link sdl static and maintain a single binary for both 10.2 and 10.3 |
| 05:50.53 | DTRemenak | eww |
| 05:51.04 | DTRemenak | can you distribute SDL with BZ? |
| 05:51.11 | learner | so I'm fixing the xcode project now (*ugh*, lots) which will let me use libsdl's framework |
| 05:51.12 | DTRemenak | or is that a Bad Idea? |
| 05:51.23 | DTRemenak | ah |
| 05:52.21 | learner | the mac "install" is a mere drag and drop of the icon to wherever they want to put it .. if we distribute with bz, I need to embed it so that it's transparent (which is what I'm doing) |
| 05:52.44 | learner | a separate download/install would really suck |
| 05:52.58 | learner | i'd go multiple-static binaries before that |
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| 05:57.45 | DTRemenak | in windows, the dll can sit in the app directory - I suppose you can't do the same thing by tucking SDL in the .app but as a separate binary? |
| 05:58.12 | learner | actually I can stick it in the .app (which is what I'm doing) |
| 05:58.59 | DTRemenak | forget I asked :) |
| 05:59.00 | guu | I've never heard of I asked :), DTRemenak! |
| 05:59.14 | learner | I didn't want to have to distribute SDL explicitly |
| 05:59.18 | learner | so i tried static |
| 05:59.19 | DTRemenak | guu, I'm not talking to you, you freaking idiot |
| 05:59.20 | guu | DTRemenak: Huwwwwat!!?!?! |
| 05:59.31 | learner | but sdl ends up using about a dozen libs |
| 05:59.36 | DTRemenak | ah |
| 05:59.45 | learner | that I then I to link against bz when linking static |
| 06:00.05 | learner | actually iirc, the problem wasn't sdl but curl |
| 06:00.08 | DTRemenak | right. so you have to link static to put the lib in the .app? |
| 06:01.03 | learner | when I link curl static, it requres libcrpto and something else.. can't use the same .dylib reference to libcrypto on 10.2 and 10.3 |
| 06:01.38 | learner | so .. now i'm make to makeing the .app via xcode proper.. where I can embed the frameworks (and/or dylibs) into the app bundle |
| 06:02.05 | JeffM2501 | why the 'toshie so hard? |
| 06:02.13 | DTRemenak | ok. I think I'm confused. What exactly is a .app? I was under the impression that it was nothing more than a glorified archive. |
| 06:02.18 | learner | so that it's so easy for the user |
| 06:02.29 | JeffM2501 | it's not even an archive I think, it's like a folder |
| 06:02.35 | learner | a .app is actually a directory tree |
| 06:02.47 | JeffM2501 | it's just been "blessed" |
| 06:03.06 | DTRemenak | ok. so why do you need to use xcode to put a dynamic library in a directory tree? |
| 06:03.06 | JeffM2501 | divine_bit == 1 |
| 06:03.08 | learner | that is an understood organization that finder recognizes and treats as "an app" |
| 06:03.46 | DTRemenak | that's what's confusing me. I'm used to "copy libcurl.dll c:\progra~1\bzflag" doing the job :) |
| 06:04.04 | JeffM2501 | xcode will put all the stuff he may need in there |
| 06:04.08 | JeffM2501 | and make it all purdy for him |
| 06:04.08 | learner | i need xcode because the magic that makes it search through the .app's framework listing instead of through system space is something i don't remember |
| 06:04.10 | JeffM2501 | automagicly |
| 06:04.25 | DTRemenak | "framework listing"? |
| 06:04.33 | JeffM2501 | there are files that say whats in the "app" |
| 06:04.44 | learner | it'll have a folder inside the .app called "Frameworks" of all things |
| 06:04.44 | JeffM2501 | libs are "frameworks" |
| 06:05.08 | learner | frameworks are the headers, libraries and versioning that make a library all bundled together |
| 06:05.09 | JeffM2501 | can ya tell I've been thru this before DTRemenak? :) |
| 06:05.20 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: yeah, actually I can. you're very helpful :) |
| 06:05.24 | JeffM2501 | don't listen to him, they are libs :) |
| 06:05.32 | learner | it's more than libs :P |
| 06:05.39 | JeffM2501 | kinda like DLLs in end useage |
| 06:05.45 | JeffM2501 | just a LOT more of a pain in the ass |
| 06:05.53 | learner | nah |
| 06:05.58 | learner | rather elegant |
| 06:06.02 | JeffM2501 | they are all about the paths |
| 06:06.09 | learner | the pain i'm going through now has nothing to do with frameworks |
| 06:06.12 | SportChick | I have a question about the latest: |
| 06:06.29 | JeffM2501 | learner: I have pain with frameworks :) |
| 06:06.32 | DTRemenak | SportChick: fire away |
| 06:06.53 | SportChick | in 1.10, anyone can talk on the admin channel, but only the admins can see it. That seems to have changed in 2.0. I tried saying something on the channel and it said I dind't have rights. |
| 06:06.57 | DTRemenak | learner: so what _is_ the pain you're going through now? |
| 06:07.23 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak: probably updating the xcode project to be current. |
| 06:07.24 | DTRemenak | sorry if I'm distracting you, I'm prolly being a pain and a retard :) |
| 06:07.42 | JeffM2501 | like devC++ it wasn't kept up to date |
| 06:07.55 | JeffM2501 | tho I trust learner in that a bit more then lan56 |
| 06:07.59 | SportChick | so, my question is - was that intentional and what's the theory behind it? |
| 06:08.14 | DTRemenak | right - but I still don't get the connection between xcode and the frameworks and the app |
| 06:08.21 | learner | DTRemenak, regenerating what is effectively an extremely out-dated project file (for XCode) |
| 06:08.39 | learner | i don't use it, so I don't keep it up to date |
| 06:08.48 | DTRemenak | SportChick: I dunno, sorry |
| 06:08.56 | SportChick | DTRemenak: who should I ask |
| 06:08.57 | JeffM2501 | xcode knows all the libs that stuff uses and will walk the dependency tree and fix up the app to have all the libs it needs. |
| 06:09.06 | DTRemenak | SportChick: whoever made the change :) |
| 06:09.10 | JeffM2501 | does the changelog say who made that change |
| 06:09.34 | Nidhoggr | I think it's important that users can send to admin channel. |
| 06:09.40 | Nidhoggr | and only admins can read. |
| 06:10.04 | JeffM2501 | maybe just the default permisions changed |
| 06:10.17 | DTRemenak | SportChick: http://cvs.bzflag.org/viewcvs.py/bzflag/bzflag/ChangeLog?rev=1.292&view=markup |
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| 06:10.29 | SportChick | is it a server side setting? if so, perhaps I should test it on another server? |
| 06:10.42 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak: by using x-code he dosn't have to remember or even know what libs are used by what, the IDE will just package it up |
| 06:10.50 | DTRemenak | ah, ok |
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| 06:12.13 | DTRemenak | so the real problem is that it's a whole dependency tree, not just two dynamic libs |
| 06:12.21 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 06:12.31 | JeffM2501 | cus SDL itself uses other dynamic libs |
| 06:12.41 | JeffM2501 | and those libs may use other libs etc.... |
| 06:12.46 | DTRemenak | which aren't necessarily present on the target system. gotcha |
| 06:13.00 | learner | libs have dependencies, frameworks are self-contained |
| 06:13.49 | DTRemenak | by self-contained, does that mean they contain their dependencies? |
| 06:13.52 | JeffM2501 | are frameworks build for difrent CPUs? |
| 06:15.08 | DTRemenak | SportChick: http://cvs.bzflag.org/viewcvs.py/bzflag/bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx?r1=1.575.2.11&r2=1.575.2.12 |
| 06:15.16 | learner | DTRemenak, they contain them either by resolving all symbols, or likewise embedding the subframework or dynamic lib |
| 06:15.29 | learner | usually just resolve all symbols |
| 06:15.50 | DTRemenak | "only people with adminmessage rights can send an adminmessage" - michaelh20 |
| 06:16.02 | JeffM2501 | SportChick: so it's now a permision, so you can give that permision to the default group |
| 06:16.05 | JeffM2501 | and everyone can send it |
| 06:16.12 | JeffM2501 | like old |
| 06:16.36 | JeffM2501 | but it also lets people set it up just as a full admin only thing, if they want |
| 06:16.45 | JeffM2501 | and it looks like admin only is the default |
| 06:16.49 | DTRemenak | hmm, but actually, that line is not in 1.11 |
| 06:16.53 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 06:17.07 | JeffM2501 | stuff got shuffled around |
| 06:17.11 | DTRemenak | that's a purely 1.10 branch line |
| 06:17.15 | JeffM2501 | hmm |
| 06:17.25 | DTRemenak | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:17.29 | JeffM2501 | admin channel even in head? |
| 06:17.33 | DTRemenak | yeah |
| 06:17.52 | DTRemenak | there's no permission checking done, though |
| 06:17.57 | DTRemenak | anyone should be able to send |
| 06:18.34 | DTRemenak | hmm |
| 06:18.36 | DTRemenak | actually |
| 06:18.39 | DTRemenak | wierd |
| 06:18.47 | DTRemenak | I think it accidentally got reversed somewhere |
| 06:20.36 | DTRemenak | no, current head code is "anyone may send, all admins recieve" |
| 06:21.26 | DTRemenak | wtf. no, it's split into two peices |
| 06:21.30 | DTRemenak | this is weird, weird stuff |
| 06:21.55 | learner | make up your mind :) |
| 06:22.06 | DTRemenak | current head code is "players with adminMessage may send, all players with adminMessage recieve" |
| 06:22.24 | DTRemenak | I must agree with SportChick, that's bogus |
| 06:22.36 | JeffM2501 | sounds backwards |
| 06:22.44 | JeffM2501 | if anything it should be a send and receve perm |
| 06:22.47 | learner | adminMsgSend, adminMsgReceive |
| 06:22.57 | DTRemenak | right now it does both, which sucks |
| 06:23.05 | learner | admins get receive, send into default |
| 06:23.10 | DTRemenak | ok. is that How It Shall Be Done? |
| 06:23.21 | learner | sounds good to me ;) |
| 06:23.28 | DTRemenak | ok |
| 06:23.33 | SportChick | well, we just tested it with the default having it and EVEYRONE can see admin messages |
| 06:23.48 | JeffM2501 | that's what DTRemenak just said :) |
| 06:23.57 | JeffM2501 | it needs a fixing |
| 06:24.05 | DTRemenak | yeah, it's borken |
| 06:24.12 | DTRemenak | thanks for noticing |
| 06:24.12 | JeffM2501 | it's not a crash tho |
| 06:24.15 | JeffM2501 | ship it! |
| 06:25.16 | SportChick | can that not be fixed first? that's a big issue on secretplace |
| 06:25.33 | JeffM2501 | I'll bet our jedi friend is fixing it right now |
| 06:25.36 | SportChick | or is it a major, takes too much time fix? |
| 06:25.39 | SportChick | probably |
| 06:25.39 | SportChick | :) |
| 06:25.48 | learner | yeah, we're going to cancel the release and just try again next week |
| 06:25.54 | Nidhoggr | you don't want a bunch of whiney secretplace admins in here for the next month complaining about it. ;) |
| 06:26.02 | DTRemenak | ~bzfrag learner |
| 06:26.04 | ibot | ACTION tries to kill learner, but finds the shield flag |
| 06:26.08 | JeffM2501 | hey that's what -q is for |
| 06:26.17 | DTRemenak | SportChick: it'll be fixed in about a minute |
| 06:26.51 | DTRemenak | ~spell Receive |
| 06:26.52 | ibot | 'Receive' may be spelled correctly |
| 06:26.54 | DTRemenak | cool |
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| 06:27.51 | learner | you doubted me? :) |
| 06:28.03 | learner | tsk tsk |
| 06:28.14 | JeffM2501 | it'll take that long just for my mac to launch the test version |
| 06:28.20 | DTRemenak | shield, man...shield? |
| 06:29.21 | DTRemenak | ~SportChick++ |
| 06:30.20 | DTRemenak | hah, adminMessage wasn't even in there |
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| 06:33.25 | SportChick | Nidhoggr: hehe |
| 06:33.29 | SportChick | DTRemenak: thanks!! |
| 06:33.50 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/ (4 files in 2 dirs): split "adminMessages" perm into "adminMessageSend" and "adminMessageReceive" and document both of them |
| 06:34.03 | SportChick | something weird is happening with hubby's sound |
| 06:34.04 | DTRemenak | SportChick: thanks to you too :) |
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| 06:34.48 | mozul | hi |
| 06:34.48 | DTRemenak | btw, SportChick: I like your e-mail string :) |
| 06:35.18 | mozul | I tried 11.36 and the sound has lots of echo like stuff happening |
| 06:35.23 | DTRemenak | forgot to tell you ingame |
| 06:35.26 | mozul | Is this a bad setting? |
| 06:35.43 | DTRemenak | hm, echos is probably not good. on windows or linux? |
| 06:35.51 | mozul | windows |
| 06:35.55 | mozul | xp pro |
| 06:36.30 | DTRemenak | hm. interesting, I haven't heard of that before. |
| 06:36.47 | mozul | sporty may think it is local to the server I was on. |
| 06:36.53 | sgk284 | mozul,a fix was released for that today: http://www.apple.com/macmini/ |
| 06:37.00 | DTRemenak | hah |
| 06:37.07 | sgk284 | ;) |
| 06:37.15 | SportChick | there is something really weird happening on JPA's map when you jump -v ery odd noise |
| 06:37.21 | DTRemenak | hmm |
| 06:37.26 | mozul | yaya it can't run Joint Operations Typhoon Rising. |
| 06:37.27 | SportChick | but the other player (QuantamBeep) didn't notice it |
| 06:38.56 | JeffM2501 | bzflag does it's own echo and reverb, so it would happen on a mac too. and I'd like to see a tosh take a 3d audio card :) |
| 06:41.23 | Nidhoggr | hrm. |
| 06:41.34 | Nidhoggr | when I'm running from data dir, how do I get it to see fonts dir? |
| 06:41.37 | Nidhoggr | on mac |
| 06:43.47 | trepan | DTRemenak: did you want DEFAULT to be able to send to admin? |
| 06:44.28 | DTRemenak | trepan: I wasn't going to change that. ask Nidhoggr and SportChick |
| 06:44.42 | DTRemenak | if they think it's a good idea, then sure |
| 06:44.57 | mozul | im back and it echoes on multiple servers. |
| 06:45.07 | Pimpinella | g'morning |
| 06:46.41 | mozul | morning |
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| 06:58.13 | SportChick | trepan, what is "default"? |
| 06:58.32 | DTRemenak | all players are in default |
| 06:58.47 | DTRemenak | it's a group |
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| 06:59.07 | Nidhoggr | sleep. |
| 06:59.09 | Nidhoggr | *wave* |
| 06:59.19 | SportChick | yes, I think default should be able to send to admin, but only admin should be able to see it |
| 06:59.36 | DTRemenak | ok. Nidhoggr, opinion? |
| 06:59.58 | SportChick | weird - mozul's normal sounds are working now |
| 07:00.10 | DTRemenak | hm, that's cool |
| 07:00.12 | SportChick | but he is still getting the echo |
| 07:00.18 | DTRemenak | oh |
| 07:00.19 | SportChick | nbut not as bad |
| 07:00.45 | SportChick | it seems to be mostly on explosions - bullet going out on the gun or tank exploding |
| 07:01.00 | SportChick | but with me, i was getting it only on jpa's server whenever I jump |
| 07:01.03 | DTRemenak | that's interesting. I wonder why it's doing it |
| 07:01.16 | SportChick | he tried reducing some of the settings and now he can hear his normal sounds, that he couldn't before |
| 07:03.11 | learner | DTRemenak, sigh |
| 07:03.20 | DTRemenak | learner: sigh? |
| 07:03.50 | learner | i'm getting there, but don't think I'll be done in the next hour still (just a lil more after that) |
| 07:03.57 | learner | so.. sigh |
| 07:04.08 | DTRemenak | I see what you mean. |
| 07:04.14 | SportChick | DTRemenak: I get the weird sound when I jumpon your server (running apathy cream's map) |
| 07:04.20 | DTRemenak | there's probably no way I can help, huh? |
| 07:04.39 | DTRemenak | SportChick: try quitting, starting again, and joining. does it do the same thing? |
| 07:04.46 | SportChick | one sec |
| 07:04.52 | learner | no, not really -- it's pretty much a matter of regenerating our "studio project" |
| 07:05.07 | learner | it's build-testing now |
| 07:05.13 | learner | and that will succeed |
| 07:05.21 | DTRemenak | well, that sounds good... |
| 07:05.22 | learner | now I'll just need to have it make the .app |
| 07:05.24 | SportChick | DTRemenak: yes it does the same thing |
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| 07:36.48 | mozul | for the record I fixed my sound problem. |
| 07:36.57 | DTRemenak | ah, cool. what was it? |
| 07:37.08 | SportChick | DTRemenak: later I'llhave you show me where the config file is so I can swap out the sounds. Then I'll see if the echo goes away |
| 07:37.27 | mozul | I had DSP MODE set to Xear 3d. When I set it to None, the echo went away. |
| 07:37.35 | DTRemenak | they're not configurable. just move the new one away and copy the old one into the data dir |
| 07:37.46 | DTRemenak | they probably should be configurable, but they're not |
| 07:37.46 | mozul | I have a C-Media 3d Audio codec. |
| 07:37.50 | DTRemenak | ah, ok |
| 07:37.51 | mozul | In windows is the setting. |
| 07:38.30 | mozul | her echo may be similar. It is less maybe since her computer is much faster. |
| 07:38.52 | DTRemenak | yeah, those are software codecs. not the best. |
| 07:39.02 | mozul | I seem to think the echo changed when i adjusted the settings to make the program more responsive. I.E. More responsive = less echo. |
| 07:39.33 | DTRemenak | that would make sense. if something else is eating all your cpu time, your audio codec gets less |
| 07:39.57 | mozul | ya. my cpu is 2.1ghz. hers is over 3 |
| 07:40.20 | mozul | well time for bed. cya |
| 07:40.21 | DTRemenak | that's one advantage of hardware sound |
| 07:40.24 | DTRemenak | yup, ttyl |
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| 07:43.45 | SportChick | gnight all |
| 07:45.10 | DTRemenak | g'night |
| 07:57.11 | DTRemenak | learner: how's it goin'? |
| 07:57.32 | DTRemenak | two minutes pacific time, guess we'll have to go by hawaii :) |
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| 08:06.11 | SilverFox | hehe |
| 08:06.27 | trepan | Tupone is back, well he was anyway |
| 08:06.27 | SilverFox | Well, I'm in PST, and it's still today. |
| 08:06.48 | SilverFox | In fact, it'll be today for another 24 hours. |
| 08:14.12 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/ (bzfs.cxx commands.cxx): by request, give adminMessageSend to the DEFAULT group so that players can send messages to admins |
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| 09:46.49 | SilverFox | I wish I could go to bed... |
| 09:50.23 | mmu_man | damn someone managed to break the beos build again in one day |
| 09:50.34 | mmu_man | WHO put that <sstream> in her e? |
| 09:50.59 | c3po | probably a VC6 fix ? |
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| 09:51.50 | mmu_man | who cares about windoze ? :D |
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| 10:03.26 | SilverFox | mmu_man, not many I'm sure. |
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| 10:22.54 | mmu_man | ohh my I changed the dev kit |
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| 11:23.38 | mmu_man | now, I still have that audio bug |
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| 11:54.11 | jpa- | is bzw file stuff case sensitive? |
| 11:54.23 | jpa- | ie. physics driver names |
| 12:35.25 | cods | jpa-: yes, names are case sensitive |
| 12:35.39 | jpa- | what about arc etc.? |
| 12:36.06 | jpa- | (too lazy to test, so if you don't know, i assume yes :) |
| 12:36.23 | jpa- | (just doing kate syntax highlight script for bzw) |
| 12:36.46 | cods | most(all) of the keywords are case insensitive |
| 12:36.49 | cods | s/all/all?/ |
| 12:37.40 | jpa- | ok |
| 12:37.59 | cods | hmm, syntax highlighting for which editor ? (or maybe for something else, like generating a web page ?) |
| 12:38.46 | cods | ah, 'kate'.. missed that. |
| 12:42.04 | jpa- | :) |
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| 13:18.59 | cods | is Today today ? |
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| 13:39.08 | jpa- | cods: no, it is tomorrow |
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| 14:16.29 | jpa- | hmph |
| 14:16.35 | jpa- | i made cool formula-lights |
| 14:17.00 | jpa- | but bzflag dynamiccolor textures are not synchronized across clients :( |
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| 14:36.09 | Pimpinella | default values for a new Gamekeeper::Player are to be set in the classes constructors, right? |
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| 14:37.36 | Pimpinella | or constructor, there's only one |
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| 14:47.16 | TheRedBaron | mornin blast.... |
| 14:47.24 | blast007 | morning :) |
| 14:49.12 | learner | morning peoples |
| 14:49.47 | TheRedBaron | ello learner.... |
| 14:51.17 | *** topic/#bzflag by learner -> http://BZFlag.org/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/bb/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/ || http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/BZFlag || 1.11.x builds http://my.bzflag.org/builds/1.11/ || Shellshock is revived http://shellshock.bzflag.bz || Release date is (STILL) TODAY (day 2) || NO IT'S NOT OUT YET |
| 14:51.50 | TheRedBaron | hey, is the new build out yet?!?! |
| 14:52.01 | TheRedBaron | I looked at the forum and didn't see it... |
| 14:52.04 | learner | ~slap TheRedBaron |
| 14:52.06 | ibot | ACTION slaps TheRedBaron, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 14:52.06 | TheRedBaron | :P |
| 14:52.48 | blast007 | hrm, bzadmin doesn't compile in VC6 :/ |
| 14:52.50 | TheRedBaron | ~bzfrag learner |
| 14:52.52 | ibot | ACTION tries to kill learner, but finds the shield flag |
| 14:53.02 | TheRedBaron | oh thats cheating... |
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| 15:12.59 | TheRedBaron | ok, back to this thing called life. |
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| 15:36.29 | sgk284 | g' morning |
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| 15:42.37 | Nidhoggr | hi sgk284 |
| 15:43.03 | sgk284 | Nidhoggr, hows it going? |
| 15:44.18 | Nidhoggr | pretty good. |
| 15:44.48 | Nidhoggr | trying to get a bunch of projects done |
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| 15:57.46 | SportChick | good morning everyone |
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| 16:02.59 | orchid | hi SportChick! |
| 16:03.45 | SportChick | how's it going orchid? |
| 16:04.39 | orchid | not bad |
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| 16:05.47 | orchid | oh? |
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| 16:06.28 | SportChick | Mozul came home on his way to work (he was at bible study) because he forgot his wallet. But I was sitting at the kitchen table working on his anniversary gift! I heard the car pull up and JUST had time to hide stuff before he walked in |
| 16:06.52 | orchid | :P |
| 16:07.14 | orchid | Happy anniversiary btw |
| 16:07.20 | SportChick | I've been working on it every second I get that he's not home! I would have been soooo mad if he saw it |
| 16:07.27 | orchid | yeah heh |
| 16:07.28 | SportChick | thanks! not for another week (jan 19) |
| 16:09.56 | Pimpinella | i need to check if one attribute of any player has reached a given value. should this happen in a new static function in GameKeeper::Player or directly where i need it? |
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| 16:25.41 | Pimpinella | PlayerInfo has still public attributes like wins, losses, ... |
| 16:25.54 | Pimpinella | are those still needed for anything? |
| 16:26.12 | Pimpinella | cant see where they are used |
| 16:27.29 | Chestal | make them private and see if it still works :-) |
| 16:27.49 | brlcad | heh |
| 16:27.58 | brlcad | does it get packed into a ping update? |
| 16:28.23 | brlcad | the list server gets that info, but not sure if the packing is the same |
| 16:28.25 | Chestal | hmm, the admin messages confuse me |
| 16:28.41 | Chestal | I wonder what their canonical usage is? |
| 16:29.13 | brlcad | .. to talk to other admins? |
| 16:29.35 | Chestal | with the current defaults, any player can send admin messages |
| 16:29.42 | Nidhoggr | that's the idea. |
| 16:29.45 | Chestal | maybe like 'can someone kick foobar?' |
| 16:30.15 | Nidhoggr | players can send to all who are considered admins and only admins can see the message. |
| 16:30.43 | Chestal | the sound is so annoying that any player who uses it withotu a very good reason isbound to be kicked, though :-) |
| 16:30.59 | Nidhoggr | I can make a new sound. :( |
| 16:31.15 | Nidhoggr | :sulk: |
| 16:31.23 | Chestal | if the idea is to stickout, then the sound is good ;-) |
| 16:31.27 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 16:31.30 | Chestal | it sure gets my attention |
| 16:32.00 | Pimpinella | so i don't even know it |
| 16:32.21 | Nidhoggr | I can make a lower sound |
| 16:33.03 | Nidhoggr | that sound was based on a snip of a klaxon that was inverted, reversed and I messed around with the waveform a bit. |
| 16:33.04 | Chestal | nah, let's see howit works out |
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| 16:33.24 | Chestal | can always use the permissions to not use it |
| 16:33.30 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 16:33.54 | Nidhoggr | the admin channel gets a lot of use on secretplace. admins use it to talk amongst themselves. |
| 16:34.48 | Nidhoggr | I should find a better sound anyway. |
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| 17:09.28 | Grumbler | o, mother, i'm in fear for my life from the long arm of the law.....hang man is coming... |
| 17:09.59 | TOKIMI | Is meno on? |
| 17:10.07 | mother | didn't your mother tell not to play violent comp games |
| 17:10.13 | mother | tok, hes on 5156 |
| 17:10.16 | TOKIMI | hey M |
| 17:10.20 | TOKIMI | ty |
| 17:10.28 | mother | no he left |
| 17:12.49 | *** topic/#bzflag by Grumbler -> http://BZFlag.org/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/bb/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/ || http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/BZFlag || 1.11.x builds http://my.bzflag.org/builds/1.11/ || Shellshock is revived http://shellshock.bzflag.bz || Release date is (STILL?) TODAY (day 2) || NO IT'S NOT OUT YET |
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| 17:15.50 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/win32/VC6/bzflag.dsw: bzadmin depends on game |
| 17:16.17 | DTRemenak | blast007_: try that when you've got a chance |
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| 17:54.39 | Grumbler | ~weather annapolis,md |
| 17:54.53 | Grumbler | !weather annapolis,md |
| 17:54.55 | guu | Grumbler: The current temperature in Annapolis, Maryland is 45°F (12:34 PM EST on January 12, 2005). Conditions: Mist. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 45°F. Pressure: 30.11 in (1020 hPa). Visibility: 1.0 miles (1.6 kilometers). UV: 1 out of 12 |
| 17:55.45 | jpa- | !weather pöytyä,finland |
| 17:56.13 | jpa- | Error: No such location could be found. |
| 17:56.18 | jpa- | this sucks :( |
| 17:56.39 | bryjen | !weather nowhere |
| 17:57.08 | jpa- | thats where i live! |
| 17:57.13 | jpa- | how did you guess? |
| 17:57.24 | bryjen | !weather pöytyä, finland |
| 17:58.25 | jpa- | oh :) |
| 17:58.38 | jpa- | you have some utf8 buggy :) |
| 17:58.52 | bryjen | !weather helsinki, finland |
| 17:58.54 | guu | bryjen: The current temperature in Helsinki, Finland is 39°F (7:20 PM EET on January 12, 2005). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 39°F. Visibility: 7.0 miles (10.0 kilometers). UV: 0 out of 12 |
| 17:59.06 | jpa- | it should know pöytyä |
| 17:59.17 | jpa- | it is a big place with ~8000 inhabitants |
| 17:59.35 | Grumbler | is that including the moose |
| 18:00.17 | jpa- | no moose, not many atleast |
| 18:00.23 | Grumbler | !weather poytya, finland |
| 18:01.07 | DTRemenak | ~weather eftu |
| 18:01.37 | Grumbler | 39 degrees over the entire country |
| 18:01.53 | Grumbler | doesnt sound good for cross country skiing |
| 18:02.01 | DTRemenak | dunno the local climatic boundaries, but turku seems to be the closest major airport |
| 18:03.42 | jpa- | yup |
| 18:03.52 | bryjen | turku is at the southern end with helsinki |
| 18:04.26 | jpa- | http://warri1.dyndns.org/lampotila/kuva.php?sensor0=0-AVERAGE-1&bg=f0f0f0-7200-3600-0 |
| 18:04.31 | jpa- | pöytyä, finland :) |
| 18:04.42 | jpa- | 2.9°c |
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| 18:06.54 | Grumbler | had a roommate in college that would have loved that......of course he was finnish.........might be something in the blood |
| 18:07.06 | jpa- | loved what? |
| 18:07.10 | Grumbler | cold |
| 18:07.14 | jpa- | that is warm |
| 18:07.25 | jpa- | -20°c with wind is cold |
| 18:07.34 | Grumbler | heh |
| 18:07.55 | Grumbler | been there, have the frost bite.....not going back |
| 18:09.40 | DTRemenak | ~weather kbur |
| 18:10.17 | Grumbler | cold in burbank as well |
| 18:10.28 | jpa- | warm |
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| 18:14.45 | Grumbler | probably that warm breeze |
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| 18:15.01 | DTRemenak | or the sun shining |
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| 18:15.22 | Grumbler | or the spicy tacos from lunch |
| 18:15.24 | jpa- | i have about 60F in my room :) |
| 18:15.34 | DTRemenak | luch!?! it's 10:16 AM here :) |
| 18:15.38 | jpa- | or maybe just a bit more :) |
| 18:15.43 | DTRemenak | s/luch/lunch |
| 18:16.06 | DTRemenak | it's 73 in my room, and the air conditioner is running |
| 18:16.33 | jpa- | air conditioner? |
| 18:16.38 | jpa- | rich! |
| 18:17.16 | DTRemenak | funny, we haven't used the heater at all, all winter... |
| 18:17.20 | Nidhoggr | in az everyone has AC |
| 18:17.25 | DTRemenak | but we've had the a/c running most of the time |
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| 18:17.47 | bryjen | there'd be alot fewer people in AZ if there were no AC |
| 18:18.00 | DTRemenak | yeah, same here. otherwise the summer temps kill you. |
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| 18:18.12 | Grumbler | 65f in the house, 32f outstide....according to the thermometer |
| 18:18.13 | jpa- | what summer? |
| 18:18.40 | jpa- | you mean the portion of winter that snow melts for a moment? |
| 18:18.42 | DTRemenak | jpa-: Like July there, only moreso and longer |
| 18:18.43 | Grumbler | jpa- summer is when there is this bright shiny thing in the sky |
| 18:19.10 | DTRemenak | about 9 months longer :) |
| 18:19.29 | jpa- | ohh, that must be horrible |
| 18:19.43 | Grumbler | and you dont feel like slitting your wrists.............doesnt finland have some high rates of suicide |
| 18:19.45 | jpa- | i'm overheating even at +15°c outside |
| 18:19.51 | DTRemenak | heh. but we don't risk frostbite in any time of the year :) |
| 18:20.06 | jpa- | Grumbler: i always do, it does not matter how much snow there is :) |
| 18:20.09 | DTRemenak | I don't think it's ever frozen down here while I've been here |
| 18:20.24 | DTRemenak | got close in the middle of december |
| 18:21.57 | DTRemenak | heh, really funny thing is, I know this guy from Saudi Arabia who was complaining about how cold it got here :) |
| 18:22.22 | Nidhoggr | phoenix doesn't freeze too often. in the wee hours of the morning once or twice a year. |
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| 18:24.01 | DTRemenak | ~weather OEWD |
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| 19:19.43 | JeffM2501 | MSWord dosn't like the term "boomstick" :( |
| 19:20.45 | jpa- | :( |
| 19:22.17 | jpa- | how many people would die if microsoft made all it's software open source? |
| 19:22.51 | JeffM2501 | 4.9 |
| 19:22.53 | jpa- | dying from laughing for source would be embarrassing :) |
| 19:23.10 | JeffM2501 | you've seen it? |
| 19:23.23 | jpa- | hmm..no |
| 19:23.33 | JeffM2501 | then how do you know it's embarrassing? |
| 19:23.35 | jpa- | but i once saw man laughing on the street |
| 19:23.57 | jpa- | for what other reason would one laugh on the street? |
| 19:24.05 | JeffM2501 | poo |
| 19:24.13 | JeffM2501 | pople think poo is funny |
| 19:35.20 | cods | MS source code is available on the net.. |
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| 19:35.57 | JeffM2501 | they have open sourced a couple things |
| 19:36.03 | JeffM2501 | they even have SF projects |
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| 21:36.00 | gina | ~brlcad |
| 21:36.02 | ibot | i heard brlcad is like a learner wrapped in tofu best served chilled |
| 21:36.39 | Tupone | ~learner |
| 21:36.41 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, learner is your friend . |
| 21:36.51 | gina | ~rose |
| 21:36.55 | gina | heh |
| 21:37.01 | gina | ~tupone |
| 21:37.03 | ibot | from memory, tupone is the fellow who put SDL in BZFlag! how can you not know him! |
| 21:38.34 | Tupone | ~gina |
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| 21:39.17 | gina | from memory, gina is the girl who did not put SDL in BZFlag! how can you not know that! |
| 21:39.39 | brlcad | ~gina is Gina Is Not Acronymable! |
| 21:39.40 | ibot | brlcad: I think you lost me on that one |
| 21:39.47 | brlcad | ~gina is Gina Is Not Acronymable. |
| 21:39.48 | ibot | brlcad: I think you lost me on that one |
| 21:39.54 | brlcad | hrmph |
| 21:39.55 | gina | LOL! |
| 21:40.10 | gina | i know |
| 21:40.24 | gina | you are WAY too late ibot |
| 21:40.39 | wegstar | !weather 94030 |
| 21:40.41 | guu | wegstar: The current temperature in Millbrae, California is 52°F (12:56 PM PST on January 12, 2005). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 48°F. Wind: NNE at 6 mph (9 km/h). Pressure: 30.28 in (1025 hPa). Visibility: 10.0 miles (16.1 kilometers). UV: 3 out of 12 |
| 21:40.52 | wegstar | !ddasf |
| 21:40.53 | guu | wegstar: Huh? |
| 21:40.59 | brlcad | ~gina |
| 21:41.00 | ibot | Gina Is Not Acronymable. |
| 21:41.23 | SilverFox | ~bzfquery rose.homelinux.net |
| 21:41.41 | gina | gimme a sec please the server is down |
| 21:44.58 | gina | firewall is blocking |
| 21:45.22 | gina | need to reinstall forwarding |
| 21:52.32 | wegstar | how are the variables for the server placed in the vars.txt file? do I put "/set" or without? |
| 21:52.43 | wegstar | a new line for each? |
| 21:52.52 | JeffM2501 | prety sure it's one line per |
| 21:53.00 | JeffM2501 | don't tin you need the set |
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| 21:54.15 | wegstar | srry darn thing closed.. |
| 21:54.29 | JeffM2501 | I don't think you need the set |
| 21:54.34 | wegstar | ok |
| 21:55.33 | Chestal | lines like 'set _gravity -50' work for me |
| 21:55.53 | wegstar | ah |
| 21:56.12 | JeffM2501 | then it uses the set, but no / :) |
| 21:56.19 | wegstar | ok |
| 21:56.19 | JeffM2501 | isnt't there a sample? |
| 21:56.33 | wegstar | no... |
| 21:56.37 | Chestal | misc/vars.txt |
| 21:56.44 | Chestal | in CVS at least |
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| 22:08.11 | FerrarisRule | hi, does anyone here know much about graphics cards? |
| 22:08.20 | Tupone | yeah |
| 22:08.25 | Tupone | but not me |
| 22:08.31 | tapo | think I've found a bug. hehe :) |
| 22:08.48 | FerrarisRule | i need some help with mine |
| 22:08.49 | tapo | I can use bzflag to change display brightness of KDE |
| 22:09.12 | Tupone | that is a feature |
| 22:09.32 | FerrarisRule | i want to turn anti-aliasing on |
| 22:09.33 | tapo | thanks! :) |
| 22:09.47 | Tupone | :) |
| 22:09.55 | tapo | made cvs update some hours ago. have this problem since starting the tests. |
| 22:09.57 | Chestal | gamma works fine for me, i.e. I can change it and it returns to normal |
| 22:10.14 | FerrarisRule | i have a Nvidia GeForce FX 5200 |
| 22:10.15 | Chestal | if I run windowed, gamma changes when pointer enters/leave window |
| 22:10.50 | tapo | Chestal: on linux, bzflag -window or full screen? (me: fullscreen) |
| 22:10.59 | Tupone | FerrarisRule: have you read NVIDIA notes? |
| 22:11.02 | Chestal | tapo: both works for me |
| 22:11.05 | FerrarisRule | ???? |
| 22:11.18 | Tupone | what OS? |
| 22:11.20 | tapo | Chestal: you want me to create abother video? :) |
| 22:11.27 | FerrarisRule | for me? |
| 22:11.37 | Tupone | FerrarisRule: windows? |
| 22:11.37 | tapo | Tupone: you made CTCP version... |
| 22:11.37 | FerrarisRule | XP |
| 22:11.41 | tapo | ah |
| 22:11.43 | tapo | sry |
| 22:12.09 | Tupone | FerrarisRule: sorry. I'm not a window man :( |
| 22:12.24 | FerrarisRule | anyone here that is a windows person? |
| 22:12.32 | Chestal | tapo: can you try what happens with -window? |
| 22:12.33 | tapo | bill gates? |
| 22:12.34 | Tupone | try to ask JeffM2501 |
| 22:12.41 | Chestal | (and no mouse confinement) |
| 22:13.02 | DTRemenak | who what? |
| 22:13.10 | FerrarisRule | i want to turn anti-aliasing on |
| 22:13.14 | FerrarisRule | i have a Nvidia GeForce FX 5200 |
| 22:13.21 | FerrarisRule | and i run XP |
| 22:13.27 | tapo | Chestal: changes kde 3.3.2 screen brightness. is light even after closing bzflag. |
| 22:13.30 | FerrarisRule | can i do that? |
| 22:13.31 | DTRemenak | you're using nvidia's drivers, right? |
| 22:13.38 | DTRemenak | not microsofts? |
| 22:13.38 | FerrarisRule | yes |
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| 22:13.41 | tapo | is there a way to leave window with mouse? |
| 22:13.42 | Chestal | tapo: and when you enter/leave window with pointer? |
| 22:13.47 | FerrarisRule | at least i think |
| 22:13.51 | tapo | Chestal: how? please :) ? |
| 22:13.52 | Chestal | tapo: yes, optins->gui->confine mouse |
| 22:13.58 | DTRemenak | k, go to Display in the control panel |
| 22:14.12 | Chestal | eh, options-input actually |
| 22:14.12 | DTRemenak | then hit settings, hit the advanced button |
| 22:14.20 | FerrarisRule | ok |
| 22:14.35 | tapo | Chestal: InputSettings... |
| 22:14.39 | DTRemenak | there should be a tab with an nvidia icon on it, labeled "GeForce FX5200" or something |
| 22:14.42 | DTRemenak | select that tab |
| 22:14.52 | FerrarisRule | ok |
| 22:15.03 | tapo | Chestal: no change when leaving the window with mouse |
| 22:15.08 | Chestal | tapo: hmm, interesting |
| 22:15.16 | Chestal | tapo: it is SDL, yes? |
| 22:15.34 | DTRemenak | then - if you have the same version of the drivers as I do, which you might not - hit "Performance & Quality Settings" on the little floating window to the right of the dialog |
| 22:15.53 | FerrarisRule | yup |
| 22:15.55 | tapo | Chestal: 1 |
| 22:16.13 | DTRemenak | then under "Global Driver Settings" select "Antialiasing Settings" |
| 22:16.23 | FerrarisRule | then i move the antialiasing one all the way to the right? |
| 22:16.25 | DTRemenak | uncheck "Application Controlled" |
| 22:16.27 | Legoguy | aha we be all talking about AA now eh :P |
| 22:16.29 | Chestal | tapo: I am not sure how things work, and I am too lazy to investigate now |
| 22:16.31 | DTRemenak | and move the slider however far you want |
| 22:16.38 | Chestal | tapo: can you reset with xgamma later? |
| 22:16.44 | Legoguy | farther == slower but nicer looking |
| 22:16.52 | FerrarisRule | thx |
| 22:16.57 | DTRemenak | yup. I'd recommend 2xQ as a nice starting point |
| 22:17.01 | tapo | Chestal: ok -- say which file you want me to send/grep and I do. Could even tgz the whole source directory :) |
| 22:17.02 | Legoguy | also enable antisotropic filtering |
| 22:17.16 | Legoguy | DTRemenak: wait till you see 16x *drool* |
| 22:17.16 | tapo | tapo@n3rf:/data/bzflag> xgamma |
| 22:17.17 | tapo | -> Red 1.000, Green 1.000, Blue 1.000 |
| 22:17.21 | FerrarisRule | what should i put that one on |
| 22:17.25 | Legoguy | 8x |
| 22:17.27 | tapo | whenever I call it. but nowchange on screen. |
| 22:17.29 | DTRemenak | Legoguy: I've got a GF3, no 16x :) |
| 22:17.31 | Chestal | tapo: currently, I lack an understanding of how this stuff works exactly |
| 22:17.31 | FerrarisRule | ok thx |
| 22:17.32 | tapo | no change :) |
| 22:17.33 | Legoguy | if it goes that high |
| 22:17.40 | DTRemenak | FerrarisRule: np |
| 22:17.46 | Legoguy | DTRemenak: :P |
| 22:17.54 | DTRemenak | no 8x either for that matter |
| 22:18.16 | Legoguy | DTRemenak: my GeForce4 MX440 of old did not go that high... only to ... what was it.. 4xS or something |
| 22:18.22 | tapo | I think it is not gamma. I think it is late but I'll drink another coffee :) |
| 22:18.23 | DTRemenak | yeah |
| 22:18.30 | DTRemenak | 4xS is the max on mine too |
| 22:18.41 | Legoguy | 16x is positively... wow |
| 22:18.49 | Legoguy | no sharp edges at all |
| 22:19.43 | DTRemenak | on the few games that I feel it's worth the performance hit, I've found that quincunxx is a great performance/appearance tradeoff |
| 22:19.47 | Legoguy | and it runs well on this card with reasonable maps, the only ones that slow it down to less than 30fps are the olympic map and cods' rabbit server |
| 22:20.13 | Legoguy | w/16x |
| 22:20.17 | DTRemenak | heh, I get less than 30 on cods' anyway :) |
| 22:20.22 | Legoguy | :P |
| 22:20.41 | DTRemenak | and only about 35 on olympic |
| 22:21.14 | Legoguy | w/o any AA the highest framerate i've seen is about 270 |
| 22:21.17 | sgk284 | DTRemenak, with a geforce? |
| 22:21.24 | DTRemenak | GF3 |
| 22:21.31 | Legoguy | [ visual ] Screen Resolution: 1024x768 | Video Adapter: nVidia Corporation NV35 [GeForce FX 5900] (rev a1) |
| 22:21.59 | Legoguy | (lcd doesn't go higher than 1024x768 :( ) |
| 22:21.59 | sgk284 | heh my i830 pulls like 15 fps :) |
| 22:22.11 | DTRemenak | I'm using 1152x864, also |
| 22:22.15 | sgk284 | ouch |
| 22:22.27 | DTRemenak | i830, geez man.... |
| 22:22.33 | sgk284 | lol |
| 22:22.35 | Legoguy | thats like |
| 22:22.35 | Legoguy | slow |
| 22:22.38 | sgk284 | on aztec i get like 3 fps |
| 22:22.43 | sgk284 | :) |
| 22:22.44 | DTRemenak | you some kinda masochist or something? :) |
| 22:22.47 | Legoguy | :P |
| 22:22.50 | sgk284 | hehe yea |
| 22:22.54 | My[DSMBR | lol |
| 22:22.55 | sgk284 | it does what it needs to:) |
| 22:23.25 | Legoguy | my laptop has a ATI Radeon Mobility IGP320M, pos integrated chip, i hate it, linux support is terrible |
| 22:23.32 | DTRemenak | heh, but it does it with the CPU :) |
| 22:23.38 | sgk284 | bzflag and blender are really the only 3d apps i use |
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| 22:23.41 | sgk284 | yea thats true |
| 22:23.55 | DTRemenak | Legoguy: I've been reasonably happy with my IGP320M on windows. |
| 22:24.05 | Legoguy | on windows yes. but not linux |
| 22:24.08 | Legoguy | i mean it works |
| 22:24.10 | Legoguy | and all |
| 22:24.10 | Legoguy | but |
| 22:24.13 | Legoguy | it still slow :P |
| 22:24.19 | DTRemenak | yeah, it's not a fast chip |
| 22:24.29 | Legoguy | ATI's linux support is part of the problem |
| 22:24.33 | Legoguy | a big part of the problem |
| 22:24.34 | DTRemenak | and it's in "the ATI gap" where there are no real accelerated drivers |
| 22:24.42 | Legoguy | yeah |
| 22:25.21 | DTRemenak | heh :) |
| 22:25.29 | Legoguy | i found myself looking at a bottomless pit trying to find info about gettin it accel'ed in linux when finally someone committed the patch to xorg and the kernel to make the AGP work right |
| 22:25.55 | Legoguy | but it still doesn't work as well as it should |
| 22:26.02 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, you seen this? |
| 22:26.03 | JeffM2501 | http://lab.msdn.microsoft.com/express/visualc/ |
| 22:26.06 | Legoguy | because ATI doesn't support it with firegl |
| 22:26.41 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: heard about it. I'm not much for going after betas from ms... |
| 22:26.56 | JeffM2501 | well but how much is it going to be when it's done, do you know? |
| 22:26.58 | Legoguy | next time i'm in the market for a laptop, i'm getting an nvidia go fx, or whatever their new mobile model might happen to be |
| 22:27.03 | JeffM2501 | I hadn't even heard of the product |
| 22:27.08 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: I dunno, no |
| 22:27.22 | sgk284 | it was on slahdot a whiles back |
| 22:27.31 | sgk284 | its for vb too and sqlserver i think.. |
| 22:27.36 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: I'm academic now, MSDNAA, so I don't worry about pricing |
| 22:27.39 | JeffM2501 | they have a VB one yes |
| 22:27.47 | sgk284 | iirc it may be free to msdn members and/or students or something |
| 22:27.50 | JeffM2501 | they have an express for all of them |
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| 22:27.54 | JeffM2501 | well that would be good |
| 22:28.07 | JeffM2501 | for those that want to build on the windows |
| 22:28.24 | DTRemenak | yeah, it's an interesting thing |
| 22:28.33 | sgk284 | isn't it just .net though? |
| 22:28.34 | DTRemenak | think they're feeling the heat from mingw? |
| 22:28.52 | JeffM2501 | probably not, I think they just want to reel in people early in school |
| 22:28.58 | JeffM2501 | best way to push a new API |
| 22:29.07 | JeffM2501 | is get all the students hooked on .net |
| 22:29.12 | sgk284 | DTRemenak, well .net is really competeing with java in a sense and java has some amazinf free ides |
| 22:29.20 | JeffM2501 | so they end up using it when they get jobs |
| 22:29.26 | sgk284 | amazing* |
| 22:29.32 | sgk284 | IDEs* |
| 22:29.33 | sgk284 | :) |
| 22:29.43 | sgk284 | JeffM2501, like a drug dealer? |
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| 22:29.45 | sgk284 | ;) |
| 22:29.50 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: yeah, get'em early. but I know a lot of people who used mingw in high school because there was no free MS compiler. |
| 22:29.56 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 22:30.08 | JeffM2501 | most other industrys try the get em young thing too |
| 22:30.25 | JeffM2501 | most colleges have licenses for VC now anyway |
| 22:30.35 | JeffM2501 | so this is just a version targeted at that |
| 22:30.41 | JeffM2501 | probably makes licensing easyer for me |
| 22:30.51 | JeffM2501 | doubt they make anything off the mass edu deals now anyway |
| 22:30.58 | JeffM2501 | so this could actualy be a cost cutting move |
| 22:31.16 | JeffM2501 | for em not me |
| 22:31.17 | JeffM2501 | :) |
| 22:31.26 | sgk284 | heh |
| 22:31.45 | JeffM2501 | other then I can say "get us 15 copies of THIS" and it happens |
| 22:32.05 | sgk284 | yea if i needed any MS software, my univ. would just give it to me... luckily i'm fortunate enough to be MS independent |
| 22:32.17 | JeffM2501 | yeah they have a volume license |
| 22:32.24 | JeffM2501 | this is probably to make that process easyer |
| 22:32.32 | JeffM2501 | so it goes direct to the MS, not thru the uni. |
| 22:32.56 | sgk284 | thunderbird? |
| 22:32.57 | DTRemenak | thank goodness :) |
| 22:32.59 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 22:33.08 | JeffM2501 | but you can pry my IDE from my cold dead hands |
| 22:33.15 | sgk284 | lol |
| 22:33.42 | sgk284 | ever use this? http://www.icsharpcode.net/OpenSource/SD/ |
| 22:33.50 | sgk284 | pretty impressive for what it is |
| 22:34.06 | DTRemenak | blech, vb and c#? |
| 22:34.10 | JeffM2501 | I don't use the .net API |
| 22:34.16 | JeffM2501 | or vb |
| 22:34.20 | JeffM2501 | or C# |
| 22:34.21 | sgk284 | thank god:) |
| 22:34.23 | JeffM2501 | that looks like a toy |
| 22:34.39 | sgk284 | if your a .net developer i hear its not too bad |
| 22:34.50 | sgk284 | i've used it briefly but i'm not a .net guy |
| 22:35.00 | JeffM2501 | if your a .net developer why not jsut use visual studio? |
| 22:35.07 | JeffM2501 | since you've allready gone MS |
| 22:35.19 | sgk284 | tell that to a high school kid wth no cash |
| 22:35.23 | sgk284 | :) |
| 22:35.41 | sgk284 | or a hobbyist |
| 22:35.46 | JeffM2501 | they could just get that 2005 express thingy |
| 22:35.51 | JeffM2501 | that's what its FOR :) |
| 22:35.57 | sgk284 | lol |
| 22:35.58 | sgk284 | yea |
| 22:36.03 | JeffM2501 | everyone knows HOW to get VC |
| 22:36.10 | sgk284 | :) |
| 22:36.11 | JeffM2501 | they just like to make it a "statement" :) |
| 22:36.15 | JeffM2501 | that they don't |
| 22:36.22 | sgk284 | heh |
| 22:37.49 | sgk284 | soo... whats going on with 2.0? |
| 22:37.54 | sgk284 | or should i not ask :) |
| 22:38.02 | JeffM2501 | read |
| 22:38.02 | DTRemenak | sgk284: we're waiting on mac-ish stuff |
| 22:38.13 | JeffM2501 | how did it go last night after I passed out? |
| 22:38.38 | DTRemenak | dunno. I haven't actually talked to learner since then |
| 22:38.56 | DTRemenak | brlcad: how's the xcode stuff working? |
| 22:39.08 | DTRemenak | or should I not ask? :) |
| 22:39.17 | JeffM2501 | probably shoulda left the 'tosh on for him |
| 22:39.44 | JeffM2501 | but that room gets realy hot when I leave them on overnight |
| 22:42.56 | JeffM2501 | naw I just hit the back button on the browser |
| 22:43.21 | DTRemenak | hahaha |
| 22:44.29 | JeffM2501 | or maybe some sort of algorythm that can take a screen shot and say "dude that's just wrong" |
| 22:44.48 | JeffM2501 | counts the number of fonts in the page.. etc.. |
| 22:46.09 | DTRemenak | heh, now there's a good idea :) |
| 22:46.32 | JeffM2501 | if ( numFonts > 2) { return eCrapPage;} |
| 23:00.10 | Legoguy | JeffM2501: agreed. one serif/sans-serif, and one monospaced. |
| 23:01.35 | JeffM2501 | or one body and one title |
| 23:01.38 | JeffM2501 | if you dont' need the mono |
| 23:01.52 | Legoguy | ProFont :D |
| 23:02.01 | JeffM2501 | not all wep pages need a mono :) |
| 23:02.18 | Chestal | mono should be enough for everyone :-) |
| 23:02.20 | Legoguy | well my site has the possibility of containing code |
| 23:02.25 | Legoguy | so |
| 23:02.29 | JeffM2501 | so should 640k of ram |
| 23:02.37 | Legoguy | pfft |
| 23:02.42 | Legoguy | :P |
| 23:02.49 | Chestal | yep, and one glass of beer |
| 23:03.07 | JeffM2501 | so your agreeing with Bill? |
| 23:03.22 | Nidhoggr | mmm. beer. |
| 23:03.54 | Nidhoggr | 640K of RAM and 5GB of really fast swap! |
| 23:04.04 | Legoguy | haha |
| 23:04.06 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 23:04.47 | Legoguy | brb in ~3 hours |
| 23:04.50 | Chestal | I swap to gmail ;-) |
| 23:04.52 | Nidhoggr | cya |
| 23:05.02 | brlcad | DTRemenak: it was working fairly well when I called it quits last night |
| 23:05.14 | brlcad | DTRemenak: another few hours and I think I'll have it |
| 23:05.42 | bryjen | nite Ches |
| 23:05.57 | brlcad | cya Chestal |
| 23:06.02 | Nidhoggr | DTRemenak: in reponse to your poke about admin messages, the default should be anyone can send and those with the adminMessages permission (I think that's the one) should be able to receive. |
| 23:06.23 | Nidhoggr | sorry I'm about 16 hours late. :) |
| 23:06.30 | brlcad | :) |
| 23:06.42 | Nidhoggr | age makes you want to sleep sometimes. |
| 23:06.43 | brlcad | it feel like just a few minutes ago, though :) |
| 23:06.51 | Nidhoggr | 'cept for brlcad. he's always awake. |
| 23:08.10 | Nidhoggr | my neices and nephews are all grown up, so the neighbor's children draw me stuff for my fridge. :) |
| 23:10.39 | JeffM2501 | ooo I shold make a "the fridge" forum :) |
| 23:10.43 | JeffM2501 | put the best ones up |
| 23:10.58 | My[DSMBR | lol |
| 23:12.56 | wegstar | when people try to join my server, they immediately log off... "write error" why??? |
| 23:13.12 | JeffM2501 | because the write had an error |
| 23:13.33 | wegstar | ~bzfquery node.game-server.cc:5156 |
| 23:13.39 | wegstar | hmm |
| 23:13.41 | JeffM2501 | what version is it? |
| 23:13.48 | wegstar | the new one.. |
| 23:13.54 | JeffM2501 | the bot does the old one |
| 23:13.58 | JeffM2501 | and what new one? |
| 23:14.02 | JeffM2501 | there have been many |
| 23:14.07 | JeffM2501 | 36? |
| 23:14.08 | wegstar | 1.11.36 |
| 23:14.16 | JeffM2501 | when was it built? |
| 23:14.18 | wegstar | yeah... |
| 23:14.34 | wegstar | lets see... |
| 23:16.20 | wegstar | Jan. 11 |
| 23:16.32 | JeffM2501 | you could allways try rebuilding |
| 23:16.36 | Nidhoggr | I actually got on and played on 1.11 for about 10 minutes last night. |
| 23:16.42 | JeffM2501 | something may have changed/been fixed |
| 23:16.51 | Nidhoggr | or gotten broken. ;) |
| 23:16.57 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 23:17.02 | JeffM2501 | yuo |
| 23:17.02 | wegstar | ok.. |
| 23:17.05 | JeffM2501 | yup |
| 23:17.10 | JeffM2501 | never hurts to rebuild |
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| 23:17.46 | Agent86 | IS IT OUT YET?! |
| 23:17.54 | Nidhoggr | nope |
| 23:18.04 | Agent86 | :-P |
| 23:18.09 | JeffM2501 | ohh don't type to him, cus he surely can't read |
| 23:18.52 | JeffM2501 | jokes go both ways :) |
| 23:18.55 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 23:19.02 | Agent86 | Yep :-P |
| 23:20.51 | Nidhoggr | I was thinking how the new macs might make great cheap hosting servers. |
| 23:21.16 | wegstar | I thought that too... :) |
| 23:21.40 | Nidhoggr | GMTA :) |
| 23:21.45 | JeffM2501 | I'm wondering who's going to be the first to build them into a stack of render farms |
| 23:21.53 | JeffM2501 | tho they may not have enough beef |
| 23:21.57 | Nidhoggr | I could fit 6 of those in the space of a single cobalt raq4 server. :) |
| 23:22.04 | Nidhoggr | JeffM2501: they certainly do. |
| 23:22.11 | JeffM2501 | not enough ram |
| 23:22.26 | Nidhoggr | if I can run 15 websites on a single 386 with 512mb of ram, it's definitely powerful enough. |
| 23:22.31 | Nidhoggr | you can stick a gig in it. |
| 23:22.36 | JeffM2501 | oh I meant for a render server |
| 23:22.40 | Nidhoggr | nah. |
| 23:22.42 | JeffM2501 | sure plenty for your |
| 23:22.44 | Nidhoggr | hosting server. |
| 23:22.45 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 23:22.58 | JeffM2501 | tho wonder how much a little ITX that size would be |
| 23:23.24 | JeffM2501 | since for those integrated video would be fine |
| 23:23.26 | Nidhoggr | I was thinking how interesting it might be to design a blade server based on some tiny board. |
| 23:23.32 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 23:23.33 | Noodleman | a mini-itx board is _cheap_ |
| 23:23.37 | Nidhoggr | yep |
| 23:23.49 | JeffM2501 | or just some small shuttle boards |
| 23:23.53 | Nidhoggr | noodle: did you see the pics from my new rack setup? |
| 23:24.06 | Noodleman | Nidhoggr: link? |
| 23:24.14 | Nidhoggr | http://www.dragon.org/mandrake/rackfront.jpg and http://www.dragon.org/mandrake/rackback.jpg |
| 23:24.33 | Nidhoggr | the back is even cooler now with the console connections in place. |
| 23:24.42 | Noodleman | sweetage :-) |
| 23:24.47 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 23:24.52 | wegstar | Ahh... San Francisco Chronicle... "$499 model 1.25GHz processor; 256MD DDR SDRAM; 40-GB Drive; 1 firewire, 2 USB 2.0 ports blah blah" - Mac mini LOL |
| 23:25.10 | wegstar | the $599 model is worth it though... |
| 23:25.27 | JeffM2501 | why, no bus increase |
| 23:25.31 | JeffM2501 | and its' just a lapy drive |
| 23:25.42 | Nidhoggr | more drive and faster speed is worth it. |
| 23:25.44 | Nidhoggr | twice the drive space. |
| 23:25.55 | JeffM2501 | 80 gig lapy drive is less then 100 |
| 23:26.03 | JeffM2501 | I'd spend the 100 on ram |
| 23:26.17 | Nidhoggr | I'd load it up. |
| 23:26.19 | JeffM2501 | OSX will like the ram more then the CPU |
| 23:26.22 | JeffM2501 | well you are rich |
| 23:26.28 | Nidhoggr | I'd wanna buy one just to play with it. |
| 23:26.37 | wegstar | 1 Gigabyte of ran not enough for you???? |
| 23:26.48 | JeffM2501 | it comes with 256 |
| 23:26.52 | JeffM2501 | it can only go to a gig |
| 23:26.58 | wegstar | i mean the $599 model |
| 23:27.02 | JeffM2501 | apple wants 425$ for a gig |
| 23:27.19 | JeffM2501 | the 599 still has 256 |
| 23:27.30 | wegstar | really... |
| 23:27.33 | Nidhoggr | I'll wait a few months, until someone opens one up and puts in new ram and releases instructions. |
| 23:27.33 | JeffM2501 | a PC2700 gig dim is uner 100 |
| 23:27.47 | Nidhoggr | I think it has to use pc3200 |
| 23:27.52 | JeffM2501 | Nidhoggr, they show it with the top off, the dimm slot is right there |
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| 23:27.57 | Nidhoggr | hrm. |
| 23:28.01 | Nidhoggr | can't be too tough then. |
| 23:28.03 | JeffM2501 | yeah sorry PC3200 |
| 23:28.05 | Nidhoggr | hi TimRiker |
| 23:28.06 | JeffM2501 | still 100$ |
| 23:28.27 | Nidhoggr | I need to find some cheap pc100/133 256mb chips. |
| 23:28.35 | JeffM2501 | gonna be hard to find |
| 23:28.41 | JeffM2501 | for what system? |
| 23:28.49 | Nidhoggr | need them about $60 each to be happy. |
| 23:28.49 | JeffM2501 | your old mac? |
| 23:28.52 | Nidhoggr | the cobalts. |
| 23:29.01 | JeffM2501 | do they do high or low density? |
| 23:29.02 | Nidhoggr | they take up to 512mb, but only 2 slots. |
| 23:29.16 | JeffM2501 | how many you need? |
| 23:29.17 | Nidhoggr | I just got standard pc133 for the last one. |
| 23:29.19 | Nidhoggr | 4. |
| 23:29.24 | JeffM2501 | I will look |
| 23:29.26 | JeffM2501 | I may have some |
| 23:29.27 | Nidhoggr | cool. |
| 23:29.37 | JeffM2501 | they won't go into my mac cus they are High density |
| 23:29.41 | Nidhoggr | aaaah. |
| 23:29.46 | wegstar | TimRiker????? then who's 'Is'? |
| 23:29.47 | JeffM2501 | there are 2 types of "standard" PC133 dimms |
| 23:29.52 | Nidhoggr | really? |
| 23:29.53 | Nidhoggr | hrm. |
| 23:29.54 | Nidhoggr | strange. |
| 23:30.01 | JeffM2501 | well not realy |
| 23:30.11 | JeffM2501 | it was the time that the new bios's came out |
| 23:30.14 | JeffM2501 | some support HD |
| 23:30.17 | JeffM2501 | some support LD |
| 23:30.27 | JeffM2501 | so HD ram shows up as 1/2 the size on LD mobos |
| 23:30.32 | Nidhoggr | isn't all pc133 backward compat to pc100? |
| 23:30.34 | TimRiker | wegstar: `ls` is me at home... |
| 23:30.36 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 23:30.47 | JeffM2501 | on my G3 it only does LD |
| 23:30.55 | JeffM2501 | so all the 256ers show as 128 |
| 23:30.55 | Nidhoggr | not sure the difference between hd and ld for ram |
| 23:31.02 | Nidhoggr | oof. bummer. |
| 23:31.08 | JeffM2501 | how old are the systems? |
| 23:31.12 | wegstar | oh |
| 23:31.14 | Nidhoggr | old. :) |
| 23:31.21 | Nidhoggr | cobalt raq4 |
| 23:31.25 | Nidhoggr | i386. |
| 23:31.27 | JeffM2501 | LD ram is hard to find |
| 23:31.53 | Nidhoggr | I just went to fry's and got them last time, but their prices went up by over 20 bucks each. |
| 23:32.08 | JeffM2501 | then it may take HD |
| 23:32.11 | Nidhoggr | cobalts are very fun to play with. |
| 23:32.48 | Nidhoggr | poo... I'm late getting out of here. back soonish. |
| 23:32.49 | Nidhoggr | & |
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| 23:35.51 | bz8299 | hi |
| 23:35.54 | wegstar | hi |
| 23:36.03 | bz8299 | dum de dum |
| 23:36.14 | wegstar | !weadf |
| 23:36.14 | guu | wegstar: beats the heck outa me. |
| 23:36.16 | bz8299 | ok hold on |
| 23:36.26 | bz8299 | i g2g |
| 23:36.34 | wegstar | ??? |
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| 23:37.11 | Tsunami | hi |
| 23:37.23 | Tsunami | hlo? |
| 23:37.31 | JeffM2501 | ? |
| 23:37.33 | Tsunami | darn |
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| 23:49.52 | Legolas | release out yet? |
| 23:50.35 | JeffM2501 | what's the topic say? |
| 23:50.45 | Legolas | what topic? |
| 23:50.49 | JeffM2501 | of this channel |
| 23:50.51 | JeffM2501 | look up |
| 23:50.52 | Legolas | where is the topic? |
| 23:50.58 | Legolas | oh ok |
| 23:51.03 | Legolas | sry! |
| 23:51.13 | JeffM2501 | noone ever looks up |
| 23:51.21 | Legolas | todays day 3 :) |
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| 23:53.01 | DTRemenak | Legolas: it is not. we only started working on releasing about 13 hours ago |
| 23:53.09 | DTRemenak | err, 25 |
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| 23:54.00 | JeffM2501 | munchkins are funny |
| 23:54.12 | Noodleman | JeffM2501: indeed |
| 23:54.52 | orchid | ls |
| 23:54.57 | JeffM2501 | ls not found |
| 23:55.05 | orchid | hrm :) |
| 23:55.10 | DTRemenak | Nidhoggr: thanks, I got that impression from SportChick last night :) |
