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| 00:13.48 | sbo293 | hello... |
| 00:14.08 | Noodleman | oink oink |
| 00:14.39 | sbo293 | i know this is pitiful; but I'm trying to upgrade bzflag from source in suse, and need a clue... |
| 00:15.03 | Noodleman | how's that? :-) |
| 00:15.11 | sbo293 | I'll take that as a good thing... |
| 00:15.13 | Noodleman | feel clueful yet? |
| 00:15.17 | Noodleman | :-) |
| 00:15.29 | Noodleman | i guess you've not been around geeks much |
| 00:15.36 | sbo293 | ok, so where do I find an executable to start builidng this sucker? |
| 00:15.47 | sbo293 | enough to appreciate the accent |
| 00:16.02 | Noodleman | when you download the source tarball, you should just be able to run ./configure |
| 00:16.05 | Noodleman | then run make |
| 00:16.09 | sbo293 | ahh |
| 00:16.13 | sbo293 | who would have thought it |
| 00:16.35 | sbo293 | will this also build bzfs |
| 00:16.35 | sbo293 | ? |
| 00:16.41 | Noodleman | i believe so |
| 00:17.01 | sbo293 | I'd just got a working server going, and suddenly a few days ago it wouldn't insert itself into the list server |
| 00:17.13 | sbo293 | nor could I search the list server |
| 00:17.33 | Noodleman | the list server was struck by lightning >X |
| 00:17.48 | sbo293 | a shallow search of google suggested the list server might have changed day before whatever |
| 00:18.03 | sbo293 | literally? |
| 00:18.11 | Noodleman | yes :-) |
| 00:18.13 | sbo293 | wow |
| 00:18.20 | sbo293 | biblical proportions |
| 00:18.25 | Noodleman | tim riker was on vacation at the time, so he couldn't fix it |
| 00:18.35 | sbo293 | is it still down? |
| 00:18.44 | sbo293 | this upgrade might not be needful |
| 00:18.49 | Noodleman | the devs here had to set up a new list server quick and release a new version of bzflag to point to it |
| 00:19.28 | Noodleman | you'll have to ask one of them for the specifics, tho |
| 00:19.33 | Noodleman | any of the ops |
| 00:19.34 | sbo293 | is this fixable by configuration on 10.1.6 |
| 00:19.34 | sbo293 | ? |
| 00:20.01 | Noodleman | yes, i think you just run 'bzflag -list http://list.bzflag.bz/db/ |
| 00:20.19 | Noodleman | i g2g |
| 00:20.23 | Noodleman | see you later |
| 00:20.23 | sbo293 | I have tried that, but it only finds the cached list |
| 00:20.27 | sbo293 | k |
| 00:20.30 | sbo293 | tnx |
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| 00:36.57 | Noodleman__ | anybody ever have an MRE milkshake? |
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| 00:52.42 | wrburns | lololololol |
| 00:52.57 | wrburns | carney just banned me from Babel's server for calling him a bitch |
| 00:53.10 | wrburns | what a babstah. lol |
| 00:53.39 | Patlabor221 | some servers don't like cursing |
| 00:53.52 | wrburns | Patlabor221, Carnage and I have been mortal enemies for over a year :P |
| 00:54.02 | Patlabor221 | umm ok |
| 00:54.13 | Patlabor221 | it is just a silly game |
| 00:54.36 | wrburns | i know, it's just funny how some people let their personal feelings get in the way of proper use of authority :) |
| 00:54.53 | Patlabor221 | carnie is "interesting" |
| 00:55.30 | wrburns | tell me about it ;-) |
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| 01:22.08 | Nidhoggr | 10 minutes left on the coolest ebay auction in years. |
| 01:22.10 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 01:22.22 | Nidhoggr | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6929793723 |
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| 01:23.38 | sgk284 | indeed:) |
| 01:23.44 | sgk284 | did you make a bid? |
| 01:24.18 | sgk284 | its quite an amazing collection |
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| 01:24.39 | Nidhoggr | a friend made a bid |
| 01:24.43 | Nidhoggr | recently. |
| 01:24.58 | Nidhoggr | wow. it's going up. |
| 01:25.01 | sgk284 | heh |
| 01:25.40 | sgk284 | wow just went up to 12,000 |
| 01:25.44 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 01:25.49 | sgk284 | it jumped up like 5 grand in a minute |
| 01:25.58 | sgk284 | heh |
| 01:25.59 | Nidhoggr | totally crazy |
| 01:27.48 | Nidhoggr | he threw out that bid |
| 01:27.53 | Nidhoggr | it's back to 7100 |
| 01:28.14 | sgk284 | oh :( |
| 01:31.09 | JBdiGriz | ~bzflist |
| 01:31.46 | sgk284 | the bid is back up to 11,500 |
| 01:31.52 | JBdiGriz | Apparently we have split the game into two list servers now |
| 01:32.03 | sgk284 | are both updated? |
| 01:32.15 | JBdiGriz | They seem to list different sites |
| 01:32.44 | sgk284 | hmm... |
| 01:32.57 | sgk284 | is the list server hardcoded into 1.10.8? |
| 01:33.04 | Patlabor221 | huh? |
| 01:33.15 | sgk284 | i mean the url for the list server? |
| 01:33.17 | Patlabor221 | every version has a default list server |
| 01:33.27 | Patlabor221 | you can overide it with -list |
| 01:33.33 | sgk284 | oh okay |
| 01:34.11 | sgk284 | anyway to get both lists oointing to the same source again? or is it jsut staying how it is |
| 01:34.15 | JBdiGriz | the default is different between 1.10.6 and 1.10.8. We have some sites using one, and some using the other. |
| 01:34.30 | Patlabor221 | when tim returns we will get him to consolodate |
| 01:34.39 | Patlabor221 | he was unable to change the DNS remotely |
| 01:34.41 | sgk284 | oh okay |
| 01:34.42 | Nidhoggr | you could point the dns for the 1.10.8 server to same as old server. |
| 01:34.59 | Patlabor221 | Nidhoggr, can't his server don't do the / at the end the same |
| 01:35.06 | JBdiGriz | Is he planning on consolidating? |
| 01:35.16 | Patlabor221 | ohh he better be |
| 01:35.19 | sgk284 | heh |
| 01:35.21 | amathis | http://www.thomasjay.com/archives/honorstudent.gif |
| 01:35.29 | Patlabor221 | he planed on moving it anyway |
| 01:35.30 | JBdiGriz | What if he pulls his usual? |
| 01:35.33 | Patlabor221 | we just did it for him |
| 01:35.41 | Patlabor221 | then we have a split network |
| 01:35.43 | sgk284 | haha |
| 01:35.49 | Patlabor221 | and tell people who bitch to talk to him |
| 01:36.15 | JBdiGriz | He's been talking about it for almost a year, but complains about anything that happens that could possibly lead to it. |
| 01:36.18 | Patlabor221 | he can't refuse a DNS change to a system he has full access to |
| 01:36.27 | sgk284 | well when people d/l the lsit from nid's server, can't he just redirect them to the old list? or maybe just update his list from the old one or vice versa so they are the same? |
| 01:36.36 | Patlabor221 | if he does, then it'll show how much he's lost it |
| 01:36.53 | sgk284 | Patlabor221: yea heh |
| 01:36.57 | Patlabor221 | sgk284, no the old server dosn't process URLs in the same way |
| 01:37.07 | Patlabor221 | all he has to do is change one number |
| 01:37.09 | sgk284 | oh ok |
| 01:37.12 | Patlabor221 | and it'll all work again |
| 01:37.17 | sgk284 | sounds good |
| 01:37.20 | Patlabor221 | ok 4 numbers |
| 01:37.41 | sgk284 | amathis: wonderful picture |
| 01:37.43 | sgk284 | :) |
| 01:37.54 | Patlabor221 | hell I'll tell him I'll do karma if that's what it'll take |
| 01:37.56 | amathis | sgk284, doing a term paper on jeffrey dahmer. |
| 01:38.00 | amathis | :) |
| 01:39.11 | lan56 | http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_id=5716402&forum_id=33513 <- dang, why didn't I think of this earlier, yet I have experienced it so much |
| 01:39.59 | Nidhoggr | wow. that's really smart. |
| 01:40.16 | sgk284 | tupone is a clever one |
| 01:40.29 | lan56 | such a good idea, yet it took so long to think of it |
| 01:45.47 | Nidhoggr | tupone has been using his smarts a lot lately. :) |
| 01:50.08 | lan56 | finally :) |
| 01:51.44 | sgk284 | heh |
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| 02:02.45 | Patlabor221 | what would be a good name for a class that manages users and channels? |
| 02:03.06 | lan56 | Clients |
| 02:03.16 | Patlabor221 | client is allready used |
| 02:03.22 | Patlabor221 | for the main IRCClient class |
| 02:03.37 | lan56 | UsersChannels |
| 02:03.40 | Patlabor221 | this is managing all the channels the client is in, and all the users it knows about. |
| 02:03.54 | Patlabor221 | yeah see I was looking for something that was NOT UserChannel :) |
| 02:04.04 | lan56 | Management |
| 02:04.23 | Patlabor221 | it's allready a manager |
| 02:04.29 | Patlabor221 | it can't be the management manager |
| 02:04.49 | bryjen | why one class for both, and not one call users for users and .... |
| 02:04.50 | lan56 | well, then I can't think of anymore as for me :) |
| 02:04.57 | sgk284 | clientEnvironment? |
| 02:05.18 | sgk284 | assuming that you consider all the users and channels a user is in to be its environment:) |
| 02:05.28 | Patlabor221 | posibly, tho enviroment generlay descripbes something as whole |
| 02:05.33 | Patlabor221 | and this is just part of the client class |
| 02:05.35 | sgk284 | true |
| 02:05.37 | Patlabor221 | it does a lot more thent his |
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| 02:06.39 | Patlabor221 | I was going to seperate the channel and user managers, but they are so interlinked that it becomes much easyer if they are the same thing |
| 02:06.47 | Patlabor221 | since users have channels, and channels have users |
| 02:08.31 | sgk284 | why dont you make the users a subclass of a channel? being that the users are in a channel, i.e. if you were making a class for a car you could have car->radio; car->headlights; car->passengers |
| 02:08.57 | sgk284 | not sure if that was a good analogy heh |
| 02:09.26 | Patlabor221 | not all users are in a channel |
| 02:09.38 | Patlabor221 | anyone can /msg the client |
| 02:09.50 | bryjen | chatTargets |
| 02:09.51 | sgk284 | oh... ouch thats a tricky one |
| 02:09.58 | bryjen | bang bang |
| 02:10.07 | Patlabor221 | targets has posibility |
| 02:10.19 | orange | does a channel exist without a user? |
| 02:10.25 | Patlabor221 | every channel has users, but not every user has a channel |
| 02:10.56 | Patlabor221 | and all this does is realy track the modes of users and channels, and the last thing said |
| 02:11.30 | Patlabor221 | as far as the client is concerned the only channels it knows about are the one's it's in, so it has at least one user, itself. |
| 02:11.58 | Patlabor221 | the server may have channels with no users, but the client dosn't care |
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| 03:57.38 | sgk284 | hmm so someone in secretplace just mentioned something interesting, what about a strafe flag? |
| 03:58.18 | MeBigFatGuy | been suggested before |
| 03:58.27 | sgk284 | and declined? |
| 03:58.33 | MeBigFatGuy | yes |
| 03:58.37 | sgk284 | k |
| 03:58.46 | MeBigFatGuy | to be useful, you'd need separately moving tanks and turrets |
| 03:58.51 | MeBigFatGuy | otherwise it would be silly looking |
| 03:58.59 | sgk284 | heh true |
| 03:59.06 | MeBigFatGuy | and tim doesn't want to add that, as it is felt it would make the game too difficult |
| 03:59.20 | MeBigFatGuy | and break the "easy to learn, difficult to master" mantra |
| 03:59.39 | sgk284 | fair enough |
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