| 00:06.48 | Patlabor221 | blast007 I think it dosn't care, it's a firewall not a router. |
| 00:06.54 | Patlabor221 | and you can turn it off |
| 00:07.39 | blast007 | well, it's just that I use that functionality, so I wouldn't want to lose that by installing SP2 |
| 00:09.03 | learner | Nidhoggr: ping |
| 00:09.06 | blast007 | for example, I run a web server on my XP machine on port 80, but I also run a web server on this computer on port 80 |
| 00:09.09 | Nidhoggr | ?? |
| 00:09.33 | blast007 | but I can use ICF to make port 81 map to this computer on port 80 |
| 00:09.50 | orchid | nilson: it seems to need a password yes, not very "open" of them! |
| 00:10.02 | nilson | No, it's not |
| 00:10.06 | nilson | I don't get it |
| 00:10.35 | Patlabor221 | blast007 who does your routing? the PC? or a router further up the stream? |
| 00:10.38 | orchid | see who's in /who #openbox and /msg one of them maybe? |
| 00:10.46 | blast007 | my PC |
| 00:10.54 | blast007 | don't have a router (56k) |
| 00:10.57 | Patlabor221 | oh |
| 00:11.08 | Patlabor221 | you plan on using the SP2 firewall? |
| 00:11.15 | Patlabor221 | or do you have another firewall solution? |
| 00:11.26 | blast007 | either that or Sygate |
| 00:11.38 | Patlabor221 | the firewall in SP2 sucks |
| 00:11.44 | Patlabor221 | it's better then it used to be |
| 00:11.50 | Patlabor221 | but there are many better |
| 00:12.23 | blast007 | I agree :) |
| 00:12.43 | Patlabor221 | I'd turn it off, and use whatever else you have, then it shodln't be an issue |
| 00:12.48 | Patlabor221 | or get DSL :) |
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| 00:13.11 | blast007 | might be getting cable, but no definate plans |
| 00:14.59 | SportChick | Nidhoggr: you still got an ear listening? |
| 00:15.16 | Nidhoggr | barely :) |
| 00:15.23 | Nidhoggr | it's time for my afternoon nap ;) |
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| 00:15.30 | learner | SportChick: care for a homework assignment? :) |
| 00:15.30 | Nidhoggr | what's up? |
| 00:15.42 | blast007 | hello poxy |
| 00:16.20 | learner | SportChick, k |
| 00:17.50 | Nidhoggr | 'sup chickie? I'm fading fast! |
| 00:17.51 | CIA-4 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10admin/master-bans.txt: spelling |
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| 00:18.18 | learner | howdy MeBigFatGuy |
| 00:18.42 | MeBigFatGuy | heya |
| 00:19.39 | Nidhoggr | sporty: catch me in a bit. |
| 00:19.42 | Nidhoggr | bbl |
| 00:19.44 | Nidhoggr | & |
| 00:20.02 | learner | If there are any server operators that I haven't talked to that have a banlist, please send me a message when you can.. |
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| 00:21.37 | poxy | blast007: I didnt see it highlight |
| 00:21.42 | poxy | I dont know you.. but HI anyway |
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| 00:29.10 | shorty114 | hi aribeth |
| 00:29.20 | aribeth | hi |
| 00:33.18 | *** join/#bzflag layyze (www-data@c-24-1-104-25.client.comcast.net) |
| 00:33.43 | layyze | anyone here familiar with bzflag and linux? |
| 00:34.49 | learner | bzflag? .. what's that? |
| 00:35.04 | aribeth | a tank game i think. |
| 00:35.11 | aribeth | maybe not |
| 00:35.13 | orchid | layyze: whats wrong? |
| 00:35.35 | SportChick | you guys are soooo mean |
| 00:35.41 | aribeth | sry |
| 00:35.43 | SportChick | how do you EVER put up with the likes of ME |
| 00:35.46 | MeBigFatGuy | and what's this leenox |
| 00:35.57 | SportChick | I think it's like kleenex |
| 00:36.14 | orchid | heh |
| 00:36.22 | layyze | I know what the game is and I know what linux is, I just didn't know if anyone here knows what it is |
| 00:36.49 | shorty114 | layyze: what's the issue? |
| 00:36.56 | shorty114 | (part from these guys :) ) |
| 00:37.11 | layyze | I take it by the sarcastic response that you can help, though. Basically I am getting a soft freeze when I start bzFlag. I am using a radeon 9600 (M10) and the ati-drivers |
| 00:37.25 | MeBigFatGuy | what version |
| 00:37.34 | MeBigFatGuy | of bz |
| 00:38.06 | orchid | ~shorty114++ |
| 00:38.09 | layyze | version 1.10.6.20040515-r1 of bz |
| 00:38.48 | shorty114 | what distro of leeenox? |
| 00:39.16 | CIA-4 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/JoinMenu.cxx: prevent an infinite loop (that happened on a frequent reconnect) on the callback |
| 00:39.21 | layyze | the geeeeentoooo distro of leeeenox |
| 00:39.38 | aribeth | are u using xfree or xorg |
| 00:39.43 | layyze | xorg |
| 00:39.51 | shorty114 | ssooooooouuuuunnnddddsss gooooooooodddd |
| 00:39.54 | shorty114 | :) |
| 00:39.55 | shorty114 | anyway |
| 00:39.57 | shorty114 | moving on... |
| 00:40.28 | shorty114 | learner: any thoughts? :) |
| 00:40.28 | aribeth | have u looked at the X log file for errors? |
| 00:40.35 | learner | SportChick: mean?? who?! .. I'll kick 'em good |
| 00:40.52 | learner | shorty114, hmm? |
| 00:41.00 | shorty114 | learner: about layyze's prob |
| 00:41.02 | layyze | Xorg 6.7 to be exact. Using the 2.6.6-love5 kernel (shouldn't make a difference with the DRI, can play UT2004 fine) |
| 00:41.12 | shorty114 | oooh love5 ;) |
| 00:41.28 | shorty114 | did you compile or get binary? |
| 00:42.06 | layyze | compile of course :) ... nothing out of the ordinary in the Xorg logs |
| 00:42.44 | shorty114 | just checking :) |
| 00:42.45 | learner | what's freezing? |
| 00:42.49 | aribeth | i have Gentoo with xorg 6.7.0, but i have Nvidia. no probs |
| 00:42.50 | learner | X or bz? |
| 00:43.02 | shorty114 | soft freeze on start of bz |
| 00:43.09 | shorty114 | ~karma shorty114 |
| 00:43.09 | ibot | shorty114 has karma of -482 |
| 00:43.09 | learner | i know that |
| 00:43.13 | learner | of what though |
| 00:43.13 | shorty114 | getting there... |
| 00:43.40 | layyze | well, it is hard to tell really. It does the start up tests, and the last thing it says in the box on the bottom is "Generic Radeon 9600" |
| 00:44.05 | layyze | the menu screen is up, but you can't do anything aside from ctrl-alt-backspace |
| 00:44.08 | learner | can you kill bz and recover X or do you have to restart X? |
| 00:44.36 | learner | tried switching to a virtual console? |
| 00:44.57 | layyze | restart x. maybe I'll try opening another ptty and killing bz |
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| 00:45.15 | layyze | brb |
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| 00:45.29 | orchid | hi Grumbler |
| 00:45.31 | learner | if X is hosed, it's likely a buggy driver |
| 00:45.41 | learner | Grumbly! |
| 00:45.45 | Grumbler | hey all |
| 00:46.11 | layyze | nope, just tried it and I can kill bz from another terminal and recover my x session |
| 00:46.14 | shorty114 | hello grumbler |
| 00:46.46 | aribeth | have u tried rebuilding bzflag from scratch? |
| 00:46.47 | learner | hrm, well that's worse for you, but good to know :) |
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| 00:47.46 | learner | layyze, can you start up with -window? |
| 00:47.48 | Grumbler | things are quiet.....yet, 10 pages of servers exist..... |
| 00:48.03 | poxy | i upgraded my sparcstation 10 to a 180MHz ROSS |
| 00:48.22 | shorty114 | it was 15 the other night... |
| 00:48.31 | poxy | Grumbler: there's never a shortage of bullets at my server |
| 00:48.40 | shorty114 | poxy: tell me about it :) |
| 00:48.57 | layyze | yup, I can load it up as a window |
| 00:49.03 | layyze | hmmm...brb again |
| 00:49.46 | poxy | my ss10 blazes now! |
| 00:50.04 | Grumbler | ah well, time for antibotics.....have a good night all. |
| 00:50.19 | shorty114 | poxy: scrambled or sunny-side up? :) |
| 00:51.05 | poxy | fin-shaped |
| 00:51.10 | DTRemenak | muahahaha |
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| 00:51.59 | CIA-4 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/ (3 files in 2 dirs): DirectInput joystick support (force feedback support forthcoming) |
| 00:52.09 | layyze | okay, I can play it in windows mode, but not in fullscreen |
| 00:52.15 | poxy | "windows" ? :P |
| 00:52.20 | layyze | err...windowed mode...not windows |
| 00:53.14 | layyze | yes, after six years of using linux on my desktop I go back to windows for a game ;) |
| 00:53.21 | blast007 | might the client be losing focus for some reason? I seem to remember losing keyboard control once... |
| 00:53.25 | CIA-4 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/platform/ (DXJoystick.h DXJoystick.cxx): oops, and actually add the stinking files this time |
| 00:54.03 | aribeth | what window manager u using |
| 00:54.31 | layyze | blackbox. I have the focusing set to auto-sloppy so it focuses on anything that I start |
| 00:55.21 | aribeth | u might try it with another to see if it does the same thing |
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| 00:56.10 | scanline | DTRemenak: =D |
| 00:56.19 | layyze | I'll put it in my xinit and just run it without a WM |
| 00:56.21 | DTRemenak | scanline: next task: force feedback :) |
| 00:56.38 | scanline | yep :) |
| 00:57.14 | scanline | DTRemenak: I'm curious how different the 'rumble' support in DirectInput is from linux's. Linux's rumble stuff seemed awfully arbitrary and mediocre, but I used something analogous to it just for consistency |
| 00:57.37 | Lord_Devi | i'm curious if anyone knows of a faq or doc for bzflag n00bs? specifically i see some people doin things on servers i can't find out how to do (i.e. shockwave). I've read the docs that come with bzflag, and looked over the forums... |
| 00:57.51 | scanline | if you have any suggestions for cross-platform force feedback, I'd love to see them. BZFlag might be a good testing ground for FF ideas that might eventually go into SDL :) |
| 00:58.15 | DTRemenak | scanline: DX8 docs are on MSDN. there are a lot of different effects modes and individual effects you can use |
| 00:58.40 | DTRemenak | I'm using DX7 for the sake of compatibility, but it's similar |
| 00:58.50 | orchid | Lord_Devi: i think theses some webpages around, lemme look |
| 00:59.22 | Lord_Devi | orchid coo coo =) I'm still lookin around myself.. |
| 00:59.22 | DTRemenak | I just wish the DX7 docs were in any format *other* than MS Word :) |
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| 01:00.46 | scanline | DTRemenak: every FF interface I've seen uses various "effects" that you can upload and then play |
| 01:01.06 | scanline | DTRemenak: linux has an FF_RUMBLE effect- you give it strengths for two motors, 'strong' and 'weak' |
| 01:01.07 | DTRemenak | yeah |
| 01:01.28 | scanline | many rumble pads only have one motor, but I guess that had this Logitech pad in mind when they wrote taht |
| 01:01.54 | scanline | I'm also working on a linux driver for gamecube controllers- for that I'll likely have to combine the strong and weak numbers into an overall strengh, then do PWM if it isn't all the way on or off |
| 01:01.57 | blast007 | I have a pad with two motors, but sadly it only works in Windows 9x/Me |
| 01:02.11 | learner | haha.. |
| 01:02.12 | learner | dtr |
| 01:02.20 | learner | couldn't resist, eh? :) |
| 01:02.29 | DTRemenak | learner: yup :) |
| 01:02.36 | scanline | yay, I've started a fad! |
| 01:02.42 | DTRemenak | ~scanline++ |
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| 01:02.45 | scanline | hehe |
| 01:03.16 | learner | scanline, you had me browsing the on-line store for a steering wheel or joystick too :) |
| 01:03.24 | scanline | :) |
| 01:03.36 | orchid | Lord_Devi: http://shellshock.bakadigital.com/guides/rookie.html |
| 01:03.36 | DTRemenak | learner: I just went to wal-mart :) |
| 01:03.38 | DTRemenak | $15 |
| 01:03.55 | learner | what'd you get? |
| 01:04.05 | DTRemenak | "AxisPad" |
| 01:04.23 | DTRemenak | gamepad with 11 buttons, two analog joysticks, and one digital pad |
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| 01:04.30 | DTRemenak | and two motors and a mode toggle |
| 01:04.35 | scanline | looks like we'll have at least three joysticks to test force feedback on |
| 01:04.47 | Lord_Devi | orchid: thanks alot! |
| 01:04.56 | orchid | Lord_Devi: if you press "f" you should get flag help on your display |
| 01:05.01 | *** part/#bzflag usr01 (~john@ppp30-165-gw03.athens.access.acn.gr) |
| 01:05.09 | orchid | it will tell waht the various flags do |
| 01:05.26 | learner | mmmhttp://www.apple.com.au/macosx/upgrade/input.html |
| 01:05.53 | orchid | !seen Romy |
| 01:05.53 | guu | orchid: Romy was last seen here 2 weeks, 2 days, 8 hours, 43 minutes, and 23 seconds ago saying: <RoMy> wow is your hard disk project orchid? |
| 01:06.06 | orchid | hmm, i need to annoy someone Finnish |
| 01:07.54 | Lord_Devi | orchid Oh yeah I saw those.. So some of those like super lasers and shockwave things I see are purely flag abilities? |
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| 01:09.02 | orchid | Lord_Devi: yep, those hints are basically what the flag can do, you will learn over time little tips to using the flags to your advantage |
| 01:09.42 | Lord_Devi | orchid: aahhh! Ok, see i was wondering because i found an empty server and just drove around picking up and dropping flags to see if i could find any of the 'superweapons' |
| 01:09.49 | orchid | Lord_Devi: but try a server with no flags, to learn manuvering and the all important "dodging" skills |
| 01:10.30 | Lord_Devi | orchid: i have one question for you though if you don't mind.. I couldn't see any 'keys' that would activate special abilities - like shockwave. I'm pretty sure they aren't automatic.. |
| 01:10.44 | orchid | Lord_Devi: just fire normaly |
| 01:10.56 | orchid | pick up shockwave, press fire |
| 01:11.08 | orchid | you need to carry the flag to use its powers |
| 01:11.16 | Lord_Devi | Ooh! |
| 01:11.19 | Lord_Devi | Oh i see! |
| 01:11.21 | orchid | yep :) |
| 01:11.27 | Lord_Devi | Thanks for the webpage and da help =) |
| 01:11.35 | Lord_Devi | now i'm ready to defeat anyone! ;) |
| 01:11.38 | orchid | have fun! |
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| 01:16.54 | layyze | still only plays in window mode. I'm gunna go read for now, though. Thanks for the help! |
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