| 00:00.16 | CIA-4 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10web/master-bans.txt: testing commit notification |
| 00:01.06 | learner | dang.. didn't work |
| 00:03.02 | purple_cow | ? |
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| 00:08.12 | learner | purple_cow, i was just wondering if you could check if I'm on the cops mailing list for me :) |
| 00:08.34 | learner | http://sourceforge.net/mail/admin/?group_id=3248 |
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| 00:11.21 | learner | k, thank you |
| 00:14.42 | lan56 | wow, it looks like the master ban list idea has been fully implemented! :)))))) |
| 00:19.08 | amathis | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:19.28 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o Patlabor221] by ChanServ |
| 00:27.28 | learner | purple_cow: "Your request has been forwarded to the list administrator for approval" .. could that list be made non-closed? |
| 00:31.20 | learner | Patlabor221, as I feared, the commits can only be kicked off per-dir without scripting so we have three choices |
| 00:31.53 | learner | 1) write a script that will hook on all web module commits and if it's the ban file -- it e-mails to cops |
| 00:32.06 | learner | 2) move the ban file to some subdir like admin |
| 00:32.15 | learner | 3) move the ban file back to the admin module |
| 00:32.57 | learner | i can do any of them really .. and even make the proper links so it at least appears to just be http://bzflag.org/master-bans.txt still |
| 00:34.12 | learner | Tim's gone for the rest of the week, and he's probably the only one that's really opinionated -- unless someone else here cares SPEAK UP if you do :) |
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| 00:40.49 | PrezKennedy | move it to a subdir called "banfiles" ;) |
| 00:41.16 | lan56 | learner: tim's on vacation? |
| 00:43.33 | CIA-4 | BZFlag: 03lan56 * 10bzflag/Dev-C++/bzfs.dev: fix linker errors, and don't halt compilation on a unused parameter warning in MasterBanList.cxx in case we don't have libcurl |
| 00:44.48 | scanline | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:45.07 | scanline | having a "Force feedback:" item under the current "Force input device:" in the input settings menu might be a little confusing |
| 00:45.36 | scanline | maybe that could change to "Active device:" with the choices 'Auto', 'Mouse', 'Keyboard', 'Joystick'? |
| 00:45.51 | CIA-4 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/ (MasterBanList.cxx commands.cxx): get rid of 'reference to temporary' gcc warnings |
| 00:47.22 | CIA-4 | BZFlag: 03lan56 * 10bzflag/README.DEVC++: just for kicks, have a "ticker" telling what dev-c++ version the latest cvs versions are maintained with |
| 00:48.04 | purple_cow | scanline: yeah, 'active input device' sounds good to me :) |
| 00:48.31 | Noodleman | http://radio.noodleroni.com/ |
| 00:49.56 | scanline | purple_cow: should the bzdb key still be 'forceInputDevice'? |
| 00:49.59 | CIA-4 | BZFlag: 03lan56 * 10bzflag/Dev-C++/Makefile.am: whoops, add the pdcurses build |
| 00:52.03 | CIA-4 | BZFlag: 03lan56 * 10bzflag/Makefile.am: add dev-c++ readme |
| 00:53.22 | scanline | ah, looks like there's no harm in changing it. It isn't used anywhere outside that menu |
| 00:55.23 | scanline | purple_cow: should we be concerned about backward compatibility in the user's preferences at this point? |
| 01:00.50 | CIA-4 | BZFlag: 03micahjd * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (InputMenu.cxx InputMenu.h): |
| 01:00.50 | CIA-4 | BZFlag: Rename "Force input device" in the input menu to "Active input device", with an |
| 01:00.50 | CIA-4 | BZFlag: "Auto" setting for the default behaviour. IMHO this is a little less confusing, |
| 01:00.50 | CIA-4 | BZFlag: but it will really help if I have my way and that menu soon has a "Force |
| 01:00.50 | CIA-4 | BZFlag: feedback" option ;) |
| 01:01.14 | Patlabor221 | learner: I don't mind the admin project |
| 01:01.33 | Patlabor221 | sory I was away, tring to make hair not be black |
| 01:02.01 | Patlabor221 | WTF!!!! scanline commited to THIS project |
| 01:02.06 | scanline | hehe |
| 01:02.14 | Patlabor221 | I thought I ww'ed into tacobeam |
| 01:02.53 | learner | it's been what? 18 months since last commit? :) |
| 01:03.09 | Patlabor221 | fun |
| 01:03.15 | scanline | something like that... I think the only other thing I've committed to bzflag was that flag fixing stuff with MAC |
| 01:03.28 | Patlabor221 | learner: I perfer it's own module in CVS |
| 01:03.34 | Patlabor221 | then it's easyer to tell people where it is |
| 01:03.41 | learner | yeah, me too |
| 01:03.52 | learner | so maybe this will be a good enough excuse to keep tim at bay |
| 01:04.31 | Patlabor221 | it'll have to be |
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| 01:04.42 | Patlabor221 | if he complains too much have him figure out a way |
| 01:04.53 | Patlabor221 | if he does, good, he's doing SOMETHING |
| 01:04.57 | Patlabor221 | if he dosn't then who cares |
| 01:05.29 | learner | oh, i'd imagine he'd vote for either the script or the subdir |
| 01:05.43 | Patlabor221 | then make him implement it |
| 01:05.48 | Patlabor221 | if it's been in place for a week |
| 01:05.53 | Patlabor221 | he won't care enough to change it |
| 01:06.05 | learner | riight.. like that's stopped him before :) |
| 01:06.27 | learner | i think he lives for the moments.. especially when it involves my commits |
| 01:06.35 | learner | you notice he was completely quiet until I made a commit |
| 01:06.36 | Patlabor221 | hey, user registration is STILL in the codebase, and he didn't like it cus it wasn't karmic |
| 01:06.45 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 01:06.58 | Patlabor221 | so make like 1000 commits after it |
| 01:09.26 | Patlabor221 | wow so the current "bitch about a poorly admined server" thread has degraged to copyright law? |
| 01:09.52 | Patlabor221 | ibot bzflist |
| 01:15.11 | orchid | hi jacques |
| 01:15.17 | jacques | hi orange |
| 01:15.27 | jacques | ouch bad completion - hi orchid |
| 01:15.37 | orchid | Noodleman: mplayer hangs trying to play that, do i need some app for shoutcsast? |
| 01:16.17 | Noodleman | hmm, i haven't tested with mplayer |
| 01:16.19 | Noodleman | xmms works |
| 01:16.33 | Noodleman | you may need the actual address of the stream |
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| 01:16.55 | orchid | its the mplayer firefox plugin |
| 01:16.56 | LilDog | Hello |
| 01:16.58 | orchid | hi |
| 01:17.20 | Noodleman | if you need it, it's http://streams.noodleroni.com:8000/playlist.pls |
| 01:18.02 | amathis | EWWWWW |
| 01:18.03 | CIA-4 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10web/master-bans.txt: cvs cannot hook directly into files without writing a custom script that parses the commit files list -- so we might as well use the admin module after all |
| 01:18.04 | amathis | TECKNO |
| 01:18.16 | Noodleman | hey, lemme play something cool |
| 01:18.21 | amathis | ewww, techno! |
| 01:18.33 | Noodleman | just a sec |
| 01:19.27 | CIA-4 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10CVSROOT/loginfo: cvs cannot hook directly into files without writing a custom script that parses the commit files list -- so we might as well use the admin module after all |
| 01:26.24 | CIA-4 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10admin/master-bans.txt: cvs cannot hook directly into files without writing a custom script that parses the commit files list -- so we might as well use the admin module after all |
| 01:26.48 | learner | woo hoo |
| 01:26.54 | learner | Mailing bzflag-cops@lists.sourceforge.net... |
| 01:27.08 | learner | i bet that closed list will reject e-mails though |
| 01:27.13 | learner | need purple_cow to fix that |
| 01:29.54 | Patlabor221 | well that was 30 wasted min |
| 01:32.50 | learner | back to brown hair? |
| 01:33.02 | Patlabor221 | it didn't really change |
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| 01:33.21 | Patlabor221 | it's just ever so slightly not bluer |
| 01:33.35 | Patlabor221 | maybe it needs to dry more |
| 01:34.11 | Patlabor221 | learner did you watch the cowbell? |
| 01:34.26 | Patlabor221 | and orchid, did you see the cowbell? |
| 01:35.20 | orchid | huh? |
| 01:35.32 | learner | i did not |
| 01:36.06 | Patlabor221 | http://oni.gibbscam.com/temp/cowbell.wmv |
| 01:36.27 | Patlabor221 | it's an SNL skit |
| 01:36.34 | Patlabor221 | with Christopher wallkin |
| 01:38.40 | learner | i love that song :) |
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| 01:43.03 | learner | that was pretty cool :) |
| 01:43.28 | Patlabor221 | I got a feever.. and the only prescrition... is more cow bell.... |
| 01:43.45 | learner | hehe |
| 01:43.49 | learner | i was just typing that |
| 01:44.59 | learner | that was sounding great.. but .. i coulda used a little more cowbell .. gene .. explore the space |
| 01:45.10 | Patlabor221 | really explore the studio |
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| 01:45.31 | Lil | can somone kick LilDog please? |
| 01:45.37 | PrezKennedy | dont be selfish! |
| 01:45.42 | Lil | its me but i got frozen |
| 01:45.55 | Patlabor221 | that won't remove it from the server |
| 01:45.57 | learner | Lil that won't remove him from the network |
| 01:45.58 | Patlabor221 | you have to ghost it |
| 01:46.20 | Lil | what command pat? |
| 01:46.32 | Patlabor221 | forgoten allready |
| 01:46.34 | Patlabor221 | ? |
| 01:46.37 | Lil | ya |
| 01:46.40 | Patlabor221 | it's ghost |
| 01:46.43 | Patlabor221 | to nickserv |
| 01:46.46 | Patlabor221 | with your password |
| 01:47.25 | CIA-4 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/Makefile.am: don't let lan56 sneak in missing line endings on the extra_dist |
| 01:48.01 | learner | scanline, so bz's gonna be the first open-sourced force-feedback game? :) |
| 01:48.07 | Lil | i have it registered but it says its not |
| 01:48.09 | Lil | hmm |
| 01:48.21 | Patlabor221 | they purge inactives |
| 01:48.25 | Patlabor221 | you just have to wait |
| 01:48.40 | Patlabor221 | must... not..play.. EQ... |
| 01:48.47 | learner | lildog is not registered |
| 01:49.01 | scanline | learner: I saw *one* other one that supported normal joystick force feedback, but AFAIK this will be the first rumble support |
| 01:49.15 | learner | shibby |
| 01:49.18 | learner | shaky too |
| 01:49.30 | scanline | I like shibby :) |
| 01:49.51 | learner | wibble-support :) |
| 01:49.57 | scanline | yay, wibble! |
| 01:50.07 | learner | --enable-wibble |
| 01:50.29 | orchid | Patlabor221: heh, thats funny |
| 01:50.35 | scanline | right now I just have it replacing SDLJoystick with EvdevJoystick if you're in linux, but this should probably be a --configure thing |
| 01:50.59 | scanline | after it's tested and everything, it might as well be the default under linux if it sees /dev/input/event* at runtime |
| 01:52.27 | CIA-4 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10CVSROOT/loginfo: the admin hook overrides default so be sure to e-mail bzflag-commits too |
| 01:53.55 | *** part/#bzflag Lil (~1811e8df@rw08.de) |
| 01:54.25 | learner | Patlabor221, welp .. that does it .. we are not hooked up and auto-updating using the admin module |
| 01:54.34 | learner | just need purple_cow to unlock the mailing list |
| 02:01.18 | CIA-4 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/include/WordFilter.h: vector no longer used |
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| 02:02.54 | trepan | db is down, slashdot is down, various debian mirrors are down, bad night for the internet |
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| 02:03.36 | orchid | slashdot works for me trepan |
| 02:03.46 | orchid | perhaps Rogers is down? :) |
| 02:04.21 | trepan | ah, slashdot works again now too, maybe some intermediate dns node was junked |
| 02:04.46 | trepan | all is well in the world again |
| 02:04.53 | CIA-4 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/common/BundleMgr.cxx: vector is provided via the interface header already |
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| 02:32.31 | trepan | first listing from googling "bzflag cheat": http://www.madville.com/journals.php?id=3202 |
| 02:32.57 | trepan | our little buddy dj28 ranks at the top of the nobs |
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| 02:53.38 | Patlabor221 | they rank them? |
| 02:57.56 | bryjen | maybe they're ass-sorted ;) |
| 02:58.31 | Patlabor221 | take off the sorted part |
| 03:03.38 | PrezKennedy | duuuuude |
| 03:03.44 | PrezKennedy | this is why i need to be an op |
| 03:03.53 | PrezKennedy | id give him hell the entire time he was here |
| 03:03.56 | Patlabor221 | huh? |
| 03:04.09 | Patlabor221 | you don't think we handed it well? |
| 03:04.18 | PrezKennedy | you talked too much |
| 03:04.27 | PrezKennedy | i woulda just spoken the language of kicks |
| 03:04.29 | Patlabor221 | being an op is not just about banning |
| 03:04.37 | Patlabor221 | what did he do that deserved a kick? |
| 03:04.52 | Patlabor221 | he did not do anything in channel |
| 03:09.37 | scanline | hrm |
| 03:09.51 | scanline | bzflag's SDLJoystick will die if the joystick has less than two axes |
| 03:10.09 | scanline | but at least on linux, SDL itself ignores a joystick that doesn't have at least two axes and one button :) |
| 03:10.34 | Patlabor221 | Atari 2600 paddle controller? |
| 03:14.12 | scanline | :) |
| 03:14.52 | PrezKennedy | have to admit its kinda funny that he posted his web address in that article and its censored |
| 03:16.34 | SportChick | learner: you around? |
| 03:16.49 | learner | SportChick: only for you |
| 03:16.55 | SportChick | :) |
| 03:17.46 | JBdiGriz | If it gets on you, you'll have to clean yourself ;) |
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| 03:19.09 | JBdiGriz | so that makes it a good place for practice |
| 03:19.26 | PrezKennedy | doesnt mean i cant learn a few things... |
| 03:19.39 | learner | heh |
| 03:19.46 | learner | heya MeBigFatGuy |
| 03:19.57 | MeBigFatGuy | hey guys |
| 03:20.21 | learner | wondered if you were gonna skip out on all the fun |
| 03:20.38 | MeBigFatGuy | fun? |
| 03:21.05 | learner | master ban lists |
| 03:22.02 | MeBigFatGuy | mm |
| 03:22.05 | learner | the devs are now empowered to apply network-wide bans should the need arise |
| 03:22.19 | MeBigFatGuy | i've been reading |
| 03:22.46 | JBdiGriz | oooh, devs get nasty power, I'll have to restrain myself |
| 03:22.50 | bryjen | or rather, they will be once 1.12 goes out |
| 03:23.17 | bryjen | 1.11 has a narrow network |
| 03:23.19 | bryjen | ;) |
| 03:23.33 | MeBigFatGuy | wow loads of changes |
| 03:24.31 | PrezKennedy | dj28 is gonna be sad when he gets banned |
| 03:24.35 | PrezKennedy | maybe |
| 03:24.35 | PrezKennedy | ;) |
| 03:24.57 | JBdiGriz | or km or sb, or a few others I can think of ;) |
| 03:25.48 | learner | ~spell overridden |
| 03:25.48 | ibot | 'overridden' may be spelled correctly |
| 03:26.11 | PrezKennedy | ~spell antidisestablishmentarianism |
| 03:26.12 | ibot | 'antidisestablishmentarianism' may be spelled correctly |
| 03:26.23 | bryjen | !lart PrezKennedy |
| 03:26.31 | SportChick | ooo the masterbanlist works now? |
| 03:26.44 | JBdiGriz | careful how you write that |
| 03:27.10 | bryjen | !lart JBdiGriz |
| 03:27.10 | learner | heh |
| 03:27.23 | PrezKennedy | ill just hide behind you bryjen |
| 03:27.32 | PrezKennedy | hopefully guu's aim will hit you first |
| 03:27.33 | PrezKennedy | ;) |
| 03:27.43 | bryjen | ehrm. that's not right. he has a few clues too many already. |
| 03:28.12 | JBdiGriz | and providing a few too many to the folks in the peanut gallery |
| 03:28.25 | bryjen | Mmm, peanuts |
| 03:28.43 | MeBigFatGuy | wow, no warnings even, i've been obsoleted |
| 03:28.56 | bryjen | MeBigFatGuy: Never! |
| 03:28.59 | JBdiGriz | It can't be |
| 03:29.22 | learner | MeBigFatGuy: no worries.. i'm about to commit :) |
| 03:29.29 | bryjen | see? :) |
| 03:29.31 | learner | your job is secure |
| 03:29.35 | MeBigFatGuy | woowoo |
| 03:29.47 | MeBigFatGuy | hopefully win32-only code |
| 03:30.03 | learner | hehe |
| 03:30.08 | bryjen | from learner? |
| 03:30.14 | MeBigFatGuy | yup |
| 03:30.52 | learner | :) |
| 03:33.26 | scanline | Is it really necessary that getJoy and getJoyButtons in BzfJoystick be const? |
| 03:33.50 | MeBigFatGuy | its never _really_ necessary |
| 03:34.05 | bryjen | Tim's not here, I'm going to bed, so the ws is all you MeBigFatGuy |
| 03:34.12 | scanline | well, my problem is that there is no separate function to have the joystick update its internal state |
| 03:34.21 | scanline | so they have to do this in getjoy/getbuttons |
| 03:34.26 | MeBigFatGuy | unconst-away then |
| 03:34.29 | scanline | mmkay |
| 03:34.30 | scanline | :) |
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| 03:37.57 | scanline | heh. has anyone looked at XIJoystick recently? It's horribly incomplete, and I've never heard of anyone actually using xinput for joysticks |
| 03:38.03 | scanline | it doesn't even try to support buttons yet |
| 03:38.37 | MeBigFatGuy | we don't need no stinkin' buttons |
| 03:38.47 | scanline | aww |
| 03:39.46 | MeBigFatGuy | i find it hard to believe anyone is using that... change with impunity, me thinks |
| 03:40.14 | scanline | well, I don't use it either, if anyone changed it I'd think it would be to delete the whole thing |
| 03:40.24 | MeBigFatGuy | heh |
| 03:42.46 | scanline | heh, I should really set up ccache for building bzflag with |
| 03:43.17 | scanline | oh wait.. I'm already using ccache. It's just getting a lot of cache misses |
| 03:43.18 | scanline | that's silly |
| 03:43.44 | scanline | gcc should be smart enough to realize I didn't change anything important, and avoid recompiling all these files ;) |
| 03:45.00 | learner | heh.. "important" |
| 03:45.18 | MeBigFatGuy | doesn't that 64 of yours compile the entire bzflag in less than 3 secs anyway? |
| 03:45.56 | MeBigFatGuy | although compiling your compiler each time prolly takes a lil longer |
| 03:47.50 | CIA-4 | BZFlag: 03micahjd * 10bzflag/ (10 files in 2 dirs): |
| 03:47.50 | CIA-4 | BZFlag: Un-const BzfJoystick::getJoy() and getJoyButtons(). These functions are the |
| 03:47.50 | CIA-4 | BZFlag: joystick class's only chance to update internal state, so it would be helpful to |
| 03:47.50 | CIA-4 | BZFlag: have permission to do so. Existing drivers weren't bothered by this because |
| 03:47.50 | CIA-4 | BZFlag: their underlying API (SDL, DirectX, etc.) isn't event-driven. The EvdevJoystick |
| 03:47.51 | CIA-4 | BZFlag: driver needs to poll all types of events in one go, and store the results for |
| 03:47.53 | CIA-4 | BZFlag: axes and buttons. |
| 03:48.12 | scanline | no 64 here, unless you mean N64 :P |
| 03:50.37 | CIA-4 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/include/Protocol.h: master ban list is now housed at http://bzflag.org/master-bans.txt |
| 03:57.23 | MeBigFatGuy | i'd like to send LocalPlayer::doUpdateMotion to the smithsonian, any objections? |
| 04:00.48 | learner | that's one way to fix a lot of bugs.. make sure the tanks just can't move :) |