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00:08.32CIA-4opencombat: 03jeffm2501 * 10opencombat/ (include/displayManager.h src/3D/displayManager.cpp): more sdl
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00:22.05triclopswhat is this opencombat thingo? a branch of bzflag?
00:22.16Tupone_a fork of
00:22.38triclopsah fork. thats the word i wanted
00:23.48brlcadspork!
00:24.09Patlabor2221it's more of a spork yes
00:24.17triclopsheh
00:24.35Patlabor2221or a Franch
00:25.38triclopsit looks like it was started within the last 24h
00:25.47Patlabor2221nope
00:27.51triclopsin any case the changelog details little work
00:28.12Patlabor2221cus the changelog hasn't really been updated
00:28.21triclopsahh
00:28.48Patlabor2221mostly it just keeps geting things broke :)
00:29.11triclopsheh
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00:30.30triclopsare there any docs for the direction of opencombat?
00:31.54Patlabor2221the task tracker has much
00:31.57Patlabor2221well some
00:33.42shorty114~opencombat
00:33.51shorty114oh nm
00:33.56triclopsibot opencombat is http://sourceforge.net/projects/opencombat
00:33.57ibotokay, triclops
00:34.19Patlabor2221ibot no opencombat is http://www.opencombat.net
00:34.20ibotokay, Patlabor2221
00:35.21shorty114ibot opencombat
00:35.22ibothmm... opencombat is http://www.opencombat.net
00:36.30Patlabor2221guu projectcommits opencombat
00:36.33guuPatlabor2221: more sdl || Stay back evil Karma! || fixing mail function upon registration... also making everything secure and... || fixing mail function upon registration... also making everything secure and... || The ability for admins to add other admins.... || Working on administration functions. || ws || lets see if we can call python directly, like we do perl || try something (2 more messages)
00:36.42shorty114nice page design patlabor
00:36.50Patlabor2221noodleman did it
00:36.54poxyklsjdlfksd
00:36.58poxyyay
00:37.10shorty114noodleman did stats also, rightA?
00:37.20Patlabor2221yes
00:37.40shorty114he's good at web design
00:37.47Patlabor2221that he is
00:37.59Patlabor2221I belive noodleman and amathis both worked on the opencombat site
00:38.30shorty114download page?
00:38.44Patlabor2221?
00:38.48shorty114i think he might have worked off a template...
00:38.54amathisshorty114, no.
00:38.55shorty114the download page has Lorem ipsum, etc.
00:38.59Patlabor2221sure
00:39.00shorty114amathis: ok
00:39.12Patlabor2221what elese you put there when you don't have real content?
00:39.12amathisshorty114, that is a common filler in the webdesign business
00:39.23shorty114where do you get the full text?
00:39.25shorty114i can't remember that
00:39.29amathisshorty114, latin class
00:39.31Patlabor2221and the pagelayout biz where the webbys got it from
00:39.32amathis:)
00:39.38Patlabor2221actualy it's not real latin
00:39.50shorty114ok ok
00:39.59Patlabor2221it's just stuff to hold text that looks like real letters for layout reasons
00:40.06Patlabor2221tyographers started using it
00:40.11shorty114anyway
00:40.13Patlabor2221as it shows common letter groupings
00:40.18shorty114what stage is opencombat in?
00:40.31Patlabor2221I dono, it should say on the SF page
00:41.15shorty114i really need to learn better css...
00:41.30blast007hmm...the opencombat page doesn't display properly in IE 6
00:41.43Patlabor2221people still use IE?
00:41.49shorty114lol
00:41.55blast007well, I mainly use Firefox  :)
00:42.04blast007just thought I'd check it in IE too
00:42.17Patlabor2221yeah that is busted isn't it
00:43.08shorty114Firefox rules...
00:43.23shorty114has great browser of Moz, just not the fancy email, calender, etc.
00:43.37shorty114just fast, good browser...all i ever wanted
00:43.40blast007yep
00:44.00shorty114it's got great graphics, i must say...
00:44.11shorty114even with an ATi Rage M2...heh
00:44.12Patlabor2221ibot message for noodleman FYI open combat site has a messed sidebar in IE6 on vindows http://sasami.bakadigital.com/temp/ie6bustedoc.png
00:45.07blast007well, your video card won't be much of an impact on normal web browsers
00:45.29Patlabor2221browsers only draw pictures, it's the source art that maters
00:46.30blast007http://validator.w3.org/check?verbose=1&uri=http%3A//www.opencombat.net/
00:46.54blast007only 4 errors in the code, but the problem with IE is probably in the CSS
00:47.11Patlabor2221noodleman said it was valid XML
00:47.21blast007it's _almost_ valid
00:47.21shorty114patlabor: i like your macosx theme
00:47.25shorty114how did you do that?
00:47.32Patlabor2221styleXP
00:47.38shorty114cool
00:48.00Patlabor2221ahh the errors are in the HTML of the news posts
00:48.02blast007ah, seems that image you put in has the errors
00:48.03blast007yeah
00:48.07evilbobie support for css SUCKS. approximately.
00:48.26shorty114patlabor: you paid for styleXP?
00:48.34Patlabor2221sure
00:48.37blast007does the news posts support BBCode like formatting? or did you use raw HTML?
00:48.42Patlabor2221HTML
00:48.48Patlabor2221it's using B2 on the back end IIRC
00:48.58blast007oh
00:49.02shorty114ya i clicked on admin
00:49.05shorty114just to see
00:49.07shorty114and b2 login
00:49.23shorty114and i clicked on link, so now i have a choice for bloging!
00:49.35Patlabor2221huh?
00:49.53amathisshorty114, why don't you write your own?
00:50.39shorty114amathis: it's easier this way
00:50.51shorty114amathis: i'm not very familiar with php connecting to mysql
00:51.10shorty114amathis: and the people in #php are annoying
00:51.12amathismysql_connect(username, password, host);
00:51.26blast007shorty114: neither was I until I started using PHP/MySQL
00:51.30amathismysql_select_db('foo')
00:51.31amathis;
00:51.31Patlabor2221shorty114: read the docs
00:51.42amathisnot that hard really :/
00:51.51shorty114Patlabor221 ?
00:51.53amathishttp://php.net
00:51.58shorty114ah
00:52.02shorty114i'll try...........
00:52.03Patlabor2221it's very well documented
00:52.08amathisshorty114, php is VERY well documented.. even has examples.
00:52.17shorty114amathis: i know...
00:52.27amathisshorty114, then no excuse :)
00:52.31shorty114amathis: i went through the tutorial for php
00:52.35shorty114amathis: ok
00:52.40shorty114amathis: i'll try.........
00:52.44Patlabor2221THE tutorial?
00:52.47Patlabor2221the one and only?
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00:54.59shorty114Patlabor: what else?
00:55.03shorty114<div class="content">
00:55.08shorty114oops
00:55.11shorty114nm the div
00:55.19shorty114i redesigned my front page
00:55.31shorty114http://shorty114.kicks-ass.net
00:55.45shorty114forums, too.....
00:55.47shorty114got new theme
00:56.22CIA-4BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/ (6 files in 4 dirs): oops, add bases into the compressed map data
00:59.36shorty114ok...now to try doing a weblog from scratch...:\
01:00.43amathisshorty114, I have done it before http://amathis.net, if you need any help, /msg amathis ok?
01:02.57shorty114amathis, get ready to recieve a flood of /msg's ;)
01:03.04blast007hehe
01:03.05shorty114amathis, thx
01:03.12amathisnp
01:09.11shorty114what field type in mysql should i use for the blog content?
01:09.14shorty114longtext?
01:09.18amathisno
01:09.32shorty114then?
01:09.36amathistext
01:09.38amathisthat will work
01:09.40shorty114k
01:09.44shorty114thx
01:09.47amathistry not to use this channel please.
01:09.52amathismsg me.
01:09.55shorty114k
01:11.04poxypatse at http://pastebin.dyndns.org/
01:12.43Patlabor221or make your own temp channel
01:14.10poxyor use my pastebin!
01:14.52Patlabor221kind of a waste of a slick thing for when they are gonna type a single line at a time :)
01:18.26shorty114poxy
01:18.37shorty114did you make the pastebin?
01:19.24poxynot really
01:19.34poxybut i did have to edit some of the code to get it like i have it
01:19.41shorty114where did you get the code?
01:19.46shorty114pastebin.com
01:19.47shorty114?
01:19.47poxypastebin.com
01:19.54shorty114ah how did i guess...;)
01:20.06shorty114style's almost exactly the same
01:20.35poxyit doesnt highlight php and doesnt have those stupid counters
01:20.40poxyalso doesnt add in <? and ?>
01:20.57shorty114the adding <? and ?> is a pain in the butt
01:21.04shorty114cuz sometimes it's not php code
01:21.23amathisand, if the user does not have those, they should not be coding php.
01:21.24poxywhich is why i like mine
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01:29.00amathiswho is dbrosius?
01:29.08MeBigFatGuyslackard
01:29.47Patlabor221yeah he's a bot I think
01:30.04Patlabor221probably just whoever renamed that davidtrowbridge one
01:30.44MeBigFatGuyprhaps
01:31.01Patlabor221how are the horsies?
01:31.28MeBigFatGuys'ok
01:35.34Patlabor221hmm SDL res picking sure dosn't jive with the way the other platforms do it
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01:41.49amathisdavidtrowbridge a real person? or was he at one time?
01:42.28Patlabor221noone knows, I think it' was lost to the mystery of time
01:42.32Patlabor221oh wait
01:42.35Patlabor221I'm sorry
01:42.46amathis??
01:42.47Patlabor221yeah I meet him last night :)
01:42.52JBdiGrizSomeone by that name was eating sushi last night. ;)
01:43.02Patlabor221you and your davids
01:43.17JBdiGrizDavids stick together.
01:43.19Patlabor221hey that could have been a figment
01:43.24JBdiGrizIt's that special epoxy.
01:43.28Patlabor221eww
01:43.35Patlabor221I just know I got squat for sleep
01:43.53JBdiGrizI had to be at a meeting and functional this morning. ;P
01:43.58Patlabor221eww
01:44.04Patlabor221how long did the drive take?
01:44.13JBdiGriz1.5 hrs
01:44.18Patlabor221not bad
01:44.24JBdiGrizno traffic
01:44.33Patlabor221yeah I got home in 45
01:47.23Patlabor221hmm sdl dosn't do ANYThing with refresh, and dosn't link res to bpp
01:51.47scanlineStuff for changing video mode and refresh rate and such in XFree86 is pretty new, I didn't think SDL supported it
01:52.14Patlabor221the 1.0 docs say it dosn't but I think it's part of 1.2.x
01:52.34Patlabor221does anyone ever really care about the refresH?
01:52.51purple_cowscanline: SDL has supported XVidMode for a long time
01:52.57Patlabor221is it ok to just pick a a size, and a desired bpp and it'll get close?
01:53.27scanlinePatlabor221: if you don't care about the bpp, don't specify one- if you guess wrong it will waste CPU emulating it
01:53.41scanlinepurple_cow: I didn't think that did refresh rate
01:53.47Patlabor221just pick desktop res then?
01:53.50purple_cowscanline: sure it does
01:53.58Patlabor221well desktop bpp
01:53.59scanlinePatlabor221: pick the resolution you want, but leave bpp=0
01:54.00purple_cowit just doesn't change the size of your virtual desktop
01:54.15scanlineah
01:54.20Patlabor221if they want to change the bpp then they just change the desktop :)
01:54.30scanlineuhhuh
01:54.55scanlineyou couldn't change the current video mode's color depth until recently, and even if you could it would be kind of silly to on any recent hardware
01:55.26Patlabor221yeah, 16 dosnt' buy you anything on any hardware in the last couple years
01:56.00Patlabor221thats a lot of things
01:56.08shorty114what the heck are you compiling?
01:56.10Patlabor221what are you building?
01:58.55purple_cowi think he means "4"
01:59.12purple_cowwe're both trying to get ogre installed
01:59.15Patlabor221he had a buffer overrun?
01:59.19Patlabor221ahh
01:59.23Patlabor221ogre is kewl
01:59.35Patlabor221what version they on now?
02:00.02Patlabor221and what you gonna do with it?
02:01.35purple_cowwe're toying with the idea of porting Surface to it
02:01.44Patlabor221vas es surface?
02:01.51Patlabor221the diamond thing?
02:02.15purple_cowjetstream's l33t continuous level of detail system
02:02.20Patlabor221ahh yes
02:02.45Patlabor221gonna make it a scenemanger?
02:04.00purple_cowdunno yet
02:04.09purple_cowwill have to look at how things are architected
02:04.18Patlabor221suposedly it's really nice
02:04.31purple_cowi also want to add the video recorder, but it looks like pbuffers aren't implemented yet :(
02:04.32Patlabor221wonder if that guy ever released his portal engine for it
02:04.54Patlabor221well it's gotta have something on the innards, as it has a png dumper
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02:16.55purple_cowhmm
02:17.05purple_cowit's looking like it'd probably make sense to just subclass SceneNode
02:18.38brlcadsubclass SceneNode for dinner?  is that like "will code for food"?
02:19.19scanlinemmm, ogre
02:19.29scanlinemore of these siggraph polygons need to be edible
02:19.31scanlinelike those wasabi icons
02:19.36purple_cowbrlcad: yep
02:19.51purple_cowi bet we could find someone here that would pay for Surface in ogre ;)
02:20.08brlcadindeed
02:26.14brlcadhowdy MBFG
02:26.15scanlineespecially if I finished the algorithm, and demonstrated it actually working on complex shapes
02:26.44brlcad~weather kbwi
02:27.21brlcad~weather klax
02:27.38amathis~weatger kmia
02:27.44amathis~weather kmia
02:27.51amathisugh..
02:28.00amathiswhat is memphis int'l
02:28.01amathis:-p
02:35.10brlcadugh.. lan56!
02:35.53Patlabor2221magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
02:37.16brlcadthat -poll crap doesn't seem like a good idea
02:37.24PrezKennedyhttp://blogshares.com/blogs.php?blog=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.osgaming.net%2F <- heres a good place to waste time
02:37.33PrezKennedyapparently some people there have LOTS of time on their hands
02:37.40brlcadthere are already means to do what those options do with the permissions system
02:38.09PrezKennedyi wouldnt even consider osgaming a blog but someone else put it there...
02:41.01brlcadclunes, aio, maiores esse!
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02:48.08amathisbrlcad, is there a way to execute perl files in C++ without using system?
02:48.54scanlineyou can always embed perl in C, but it isn't pretty
02:49.15amathishmm.
02:49.36purple_cowfork & exec :)
02:50.24Patlabor2221not gonna try libIRC?
02:50.46amathisPatlabor2221, I guess I have no choice :)
02:50.53brlcadamathis: sure, embed a perl interpreter
02:50.55Patlabor2221or write it all in perl
02:50.58Patlabor2221or do that
02:51.21brlcadwhat are you doing with perl??
02:51.26brlcad*ahem*
02:53.51Patlabor2221some IRC libs IIRC
02:55.45purple_coweww
02:56.50scanlineamathis: why are you writing IRC code in C++?
02:57.07amathisscanline, it _was_ in perl :)
02:57.16scanlineamathis: just write most of the app in perl (or preferably python) and call C++ stuff only for really performance critical parts
02:57.21scanlineso why not still in perl?
02:57.23amathisscanline, bu
02:57.45amathisscanline, because I would have to be able to call the perl file in C++
02:57.53amathisor the perl code. that is..
02:58.14scanlineamathis: right... so why not do the whole thing in C++? are you trying to add IRC functionality to some existing C++ app?
02:58.24Patlabor2221your using existing code for parts of it right?
02:58.27amathisscanline, no.
02:58.55amathisPatlabor2221, yes, parts.
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02:59.03Patlabor2221bzadmin I ausme?
02:59.22amathisscanline, because, I don't know of a good way to do irc in C++ :) besides libIRC.
02:59.32amathisperl is easier to do irc stuff.
02:59.49Patlabor2221if I were you'd I put IRC support into the server :)
03:00.23brlcadhehe
03:00.25scanlineamathis: perl isn't really easy for anything except processing log files IMHO :P
03:00.36amathisheh.
03:00.59scanlinethe problem with using a language like perl or python just for IRC support is that your glue to use that perl or python IRC library is going to be awfully thick
03:01.07scanlinebetter to find a native C or C++ IRC lib
03:01.26Patlabor2221MFC can do it :)
03:01.37scanlinePatlabor2221: eep
03:01.53Patlabor2221well it can
03:02.00Patlabor2221brlcad: how is libIRC?
03:03.03purple_cowPatlabor2221: MFC can do anything. that's the problem
03:03.18scanlineit's like that one creepy library openh323 uses
03:03.50Patlabor2221mfcnoodlebot p0wnz
03:04.23purple_cowheh
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03:04.33purple_cowbrlcad is pretty good at making this hotel room smell like a barber's
03:05.11Patlabor2221masive aftershave?
03:05.35purple_cowno
03:05.45purple_cowmassive collection of hair products
03:07.38Patlabor2221how masivie is massive
03:07.44Patlabor2221and it never hurts to have nice hair :)
03:08.49trepan_awayit might in prison
03:09.00purple_cowno it doesn't, indigo-boy
03:09.08purple_cow0:-)
03:15.07purple_cowheh
03:21.30CIA-4opencombat: 03amathis101 * 10opencombat/misc/listserver/config.inc: listserver configuration
03:24.58amathisbed time..
03:26.10MeBigFatGuyhey burly
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03:48.21shorty114~cia
03:48.23ibothmm... cia is a CVS/Subversion commit notification bot run on #commits among other channels, originally by scanline, http://cia.navi.cx/, or the Central Intelligence Agency, but the bot is more important. ;)
03:48.26shorty114oh
03:51.55Patlabor2221the bot is
03:56.10shorty114ya
03:56.18shorty114i added the agency part
03:56.19shorty114heh
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03:57.50Patlabor2221why?
03:59.56SportChickNidhoggr: ping
04:00.12Patlabor2221so really what was that tea, it was really good
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04:00.18iBootyhi all
04:00.18Patlabor2221and now I gots me a hankerin for it
04:00.22iBooty:
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04:00.25SportChickblack cherry, I think, wasn't it?
04:00.31Patlabor2221hello there mr booty
04:00.34iBootyyoyo
04:00.38SportChickhmph, still no comments
04:00.41Patlabor2221duncan or whamo
04:00.52iBootywho?
04:01.01Patlabor2221I thought it said orange, but it did taste black cheryish
04:01.06iBooty...
04:01.11SportChickpretty sure it was black cherry
04:01.12Patlabor2221you and your yoyo, duncan or whamo?
04:01.17iBootyno
04:01.20SportChick~whois Nidhoggr
04:01.21ibotwell, nidhoggr is a master of Typo Fu
04:01.25SportChick~seen Nidhoggr
04:01.26ibotnidhoggr is currently on #bzflag (6d 10h 24m 29s).  Has said a total of 512 messages.  Is idling for 4h 54m 21s
04:01.32SportChickgrrrrrr
04:01.37Patlabor2221ohh is it some cheap knockoff made in like panima?
04:01.46iBooty~seen tegan
04:01.47ibottegan <~lyra@dsl017-034-201.sfo4.dsl.speakeasy.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 5d 7m 49s ago, saying: 'hi'.
04:01.51iBootywow
04:01.55iBootyalmost a week
04:02.04SportChickPat: you atlking to me or someoen else?
04:02.11SportChicktalking and someone even
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04:02.42Patlabor2221tea = you
04:02.49Patlabor2221yoyo = him
04:03.00Patlabor2221bleeding = me
04:03.01Patlabor2221brb
04:03.45SportChickheh
04:04.40purple_cowthe food density in this city of yours sucks
04:05.33Patlabor2221that city is not mine
04:05.36Patlabor2221it's downtown
04:05.41Patlabor2221noone actualy LIVES there
04:06.03purple_cowobviously. because if anyone lived here there'd be more than one place to eat that wasn't in a hotel
04:06.13Patlabor2221yeah
04:06.20Patlabor2221that's where the convention center is
04:06.23Patlabor2221what do you expect :)
04:06.34Patlabor2221there shudl be a papajohns somewhere tho
04:06.42Patlabor2221they should bring it to you
04:07.00Patlabor2221what's your zipcode?
04:07.30Patlabor2221heck you can probably order via net even
04:07.49Patlabor2221http://www.papajohnsonline.com
04:08.11purple_cowwe found a california pizza kitchen that wasn't too horribly expensive
04:08.18Patlabor2221ahh cool
04:08.22purple_cowand i think the next couple days we'll have parties to feed us
04:08.25Patlabor2221the one true pizza place
04:09.10Patlabor2221why is it I am allways out of bandages when I need them, but keep finding them when I am looking for other stuff
04:11.32Patlabor2221baby got back, translated to latin
04:11.53Patlabor2221guu magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri is Large buttocks are pleasing to me, nor am I able to lie concerning this matter
04:12.09shorty114haveing fun patlabor? ;)
04:12.25Patlabor2221yes
04:13.00shorty114!kick shorty114
04:13.08*** kick/#bzflag [shorty114!~jupiter@navi.cs.colorado.edu] by purple_cow (purple_cow)
04:13.17*** join/#bzflag shorty114 (~robin@c-67-168-24-218.client.comcast.net)
04:13.19Patlabor2221http://www.livejournal.com/users/quislibet/164084.html
04:13.29shorty114apparently i don't have the power to kick myself...
04:13.42shorty114well, there's always ?Q
04:13.49Patlabor2221it is mystical
04:14.20amathishow goes it shorty114
04:14.45shorty114pretty well amathis
04:14.46amathisshorty114, how is the blog coming?
04:14.54shorty114amathis: i stopped a while to have dinner
04:15.02shorty114i'm starting again
04:15.05amathishow far have you come?
04:15.12shorty114index page
04:15.15shorty114the blog page
04:15.21amathisthat does not say much :)
04:15.44shorty114well, i'm starting the actuall calling of the MySQLD server
04:15.49shorty114amathsi: local?
04:16.09amathisshorty114, no. I want to run a extranet server, but, my isp wont allow it.
04:16.19shorty114~extranet
04:16.20ibotit has been said that extranet is An Extranet is an intranet that extends onto the Internet. Confusing? Yes. Extranets are external extensions of a company's intranet that allow certain people to interact from the Internet. Not all intranets are Extranets.
04:16.24shorty114ah
04:16.25amathisis there a place that will let you run off of their servers for free?
04:16.42Patlabor2221umm no dude, that's a lot of bandwith
04:16.49Patlabor2221what is your current connection?
04:16.49shorty114nothing's free
04:17.05amathisPatlabor2221, it is a standard roadrunner.. I
04:17.14amathisbut I cannot run any servers :)
04:17.18Patlabor22211.5 down 128 up?
04:17.21Patlabor2221why not?
04:17.24Patlabor2221nated?
04:17.36shorty114~nated
04:17.37amathisit is in the terms of agreement
04:17.44SportChickhiya purple_cow
04:17.53amathisno p2p, web, ftp, mail, or game servers.
04:17.59amathisor irc.
04:18.07Patlabor2221what do they do and how do they check?
04:18.18Patlabor2221and why do they care
04:18.20shorty114that sucks
04:18.23Patlabor2221you pay for the bandwith
04:18.29Patlabor2221or is it cable?
04:18.38shorty114i can run web server off cable
04:18.42amathiscable/
04:18.48Patlabor2221cable sucks
04:18.51shorty114that's what shorty114.kicks-ass.net is
04:18.58shorty114cable's ok
04:19.05shorty114dSl's better tho
04:19.06Patlabor2221no it's shared bandwith, it sucks
04:19.20purple_cowuh oh, brlcad just got culled ;)
04:19.22shorty114not when you're on the top of the wire, like me ;)
04:19.28amathisPatlabor2221, talking bout cable?
04:19.32amathisor dsl..
04:19.38shorty114cable
04:19.41Patlabor2221postion dosn't mater, it's load
04:19.45scanlinepurple_cow: maybe it culls you when you face away from the computer :P
04:19.49scanlineshorty114: lots of things are free
04:19.52purple_cowheh
04:19.57amathisok..
04:19.59purple_cowi think they must have upgraded something in the wireless here
04:20.04shorty114scanline: heh, it's just a saying...
04:20.07amathisI know someone who will let me run a server :-P
04:20.08Patlabor2221they slap another wap in or something?
04:20.13purple_cowi'm sure the horde of geeks is the same size, but things are running much nicer
04:20.23purple_cowPatlabor2221: signal strength was never the problem
04:20.23Patlabor2221noodleman probably will yes
04:20.27purple_cowdhcp/routing was
04:20.41shorty114i wonder if noodleman will let me...
04:20.43Patlabor2221maybe they put another in on a new line that gives them another nated subnet
04:20.47scanline<HotelStaff> lonely_network_guy: uh oh, siggraph is in town
04:21.00shorty114i've been having shoot-outs with bzfs
04:21.02scanline<lonely_network_guy> Better wait 'til the second or third day, then turn on the other 5 routers
04:21.09Patlabor2221bet they ran to bestbuy and got some more d-link routers
04:21.29purple_cowlooks like there's still just one router for the whole set of subnets
04:21.30shorty114~seen HotelStaff
04:21.31iboti haven't seen 'hotelstaff', shorty114
04:21.41amathiswhat do you need to make a good server..
04:21.43purple_cowi think they must have just replaced it with a real router
04:21.43SportChickpurple_cow and scanline: so why aren't you two at the same party brlcad is attending?
04:21.45amathisbzadmin and bzfs?
04:21.51shorty114bzfs
04:21.52scanlineSportChick: over 21 only :(
04:21.53Patlabor2221ohh purple_cow /scanline fry's has a deal WD 120 gig drive 50$ after rebate
04:21.55shorty114bzadmin's optional
04:21.58SportChickawwwwwwwwwwwww
04:22.14amathiswhat does bzadmin do?
04:22.17shorty114admin
04:22.18SportChickdid ya tell him to bring you something back?  ;)
04:22.18Patlabor2221admins
04:22.20shorty114text-based
04:22.20purple_cowapparently it's some silly california law
04:22.23shorty114join as observer
04:22.28amathisoh..
04:22.29scanlinePatlabor2221: hmmmm!
04:22.34Patlabor2221yeah saw the add today
04:22.40Patlabor2221there should be one around you somewhere
04:22.41amathisif I start a regular server, wil I be able to change the speed and gravity and all?
04:23.01shorty114probably
04:23.02Patlabor2221amathis: you can change anything thats stored in bzdb sure
04:23.06Patlabor2221with the set command
04:23.09amathisah
04:23.10shorty114just settings in /set
04:23.14Patlabor2221bzdadmin is just a text only client
04:23.14purple_cowSportChick: we encouraged him to stuff his pockets with hors devours, but i doubt he'll come through for us
04:23.18amathisbut can anyone do it?
04:23.22shorty114no
04:23.22shorty114admin
04:23.30scanlinePatlabor2221: never been to a fry's... though with the hot spare stuff we theoretically have some more margin for replacing disks and such in navi
04:23.32amathishow is the admin set though?
04:23.34SportChickdid you tell him LOTS Of sushi?  oh, wait...THAT wouldn't work - he'd just eat it all himself!  
04:23.37Patlabor2221only those who have the proper permision
04:23.47CIA-4BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/ (5 files in 3 dirs): ditch wacked-out obstacles
04:23.52Patlabor2221scanline: they are cool places, you shoudl go to one just for fun
04:23.58Patlabor2221every one is themed difrently
04:24.02scanlinehah
04:24.09Patlabor2221the one out here is alice and wonderland
04:24.18SportChickscanline & purple_cow: it was great meeting you folks last night!  
04:24.18shorty114amathis:
04:24.23shorty114in your .conf file
04:24.24scanlineindeed :)
04:24.27shorty114is admin password
04:24.36SportChickI see DTRemenak is online - was he logged in the whole time or has someone actually HEARD from him today?
04:24.39shorty114do /passwd <your password> in game to get admin
04:24.42Patlabor2221shorty114: thats one way, another is to use users and permisions
04:24.46DTRemenakSportChick: I am here :)
04:24.49scanlineSportChick: I think he was on earlier today
04:24.53SportChickyay!  you made it home!  :)
04:24.54DTRemenakSportChick: thanks again
04:24.54shorty114patlabor: i'm talking about /set
04:24.56Patlabor2221how was the drive back man?
04:24.59SportChickhow long did it take you?
04:24.59scanlineoh, and that :)
04:25.01Patlabor2221shorty114:  so am I
04:25.10Patlabor2221shorty114: it's a seperate permsion
04:25.11shorty114Patlabor2221: k
04:25.13DTRemenakabout 6.5 hrs
04:25.18DTRemenaktraffic was better back
04:25.19shorty114how you do cops
04:25.21Patlabor2221when you do /password it just gives you all perms
04:25.24SportChicknot too bad, considering the time that you left
04:25.25Patlabor2221with those permisions
04:25.30Patlabor2221shorty114: have you read the docs?
04:25.34DTRemenak405 was kinda packed, but moving
04:25.41SportChickyou had a good day then!  :)
04:25.42shorty114Patlabor2221: i read the server setup doc
04:25.48Patlabor22216.5 isn't to bad
04:25.48DTRemenakyup :)
04:25.53Patlabor2221shorty114: all the way?
04:26.00shorty114Patlabor2221: ya
04:26.06shorty114even the chroot cage one
04:26.11Patlabor2221then you know about all the permisions and stuff
04:26.15shorty114ya
04:26.17shorty114you wet them
04:26.19shorty114*set
04:26.20Patlabor2221so you know how to do cops and refs and evertything
04:26.24shorty114that's how you do cops
04:26.26shorty114ya
04:26.43shorty114why?
04:26.43SportChickis bozo now planning to get more involved?  or did he just figure we were all crazy?
04:26.51shorty114~seen bozo
04:26.52ibotbozo <~bozo@adslh225.cofs.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 152d 5h 6m 17s ago, saying: 'hi guys, anyone tried resizing ext2 with 'resize2fs', i'm worried about resizing the partition'.
04:27.04shorty114half year...
04:27.05scanlinehehe
04:27.07shorty114wow
04:27.07DTRemenakSportChick: not sure
04:27.14SportChickDTR: heh
04:27.17shorty114Patlabor2221: why you assk?
04:27.22SportChickDTR: I assume you saw the photo
04:27.23trepanmaybe his resize didn't go well...
04:27.25scanlineshorty114: 'seen' isn't as smart as you might think
04:27.37DTRemenakSportChick: he's been thinking about signing up for programming classes at the local JC, so who knows :)
04:27.38shorty114scanline: he might have been another name
04:27.42DTRemenakSportChick: photo?
04:27.45scanlineshorty114: or maybe it's smarter, and creates misinformation precicely targeted for you
04:27.53SportChickhttp://www.KirkandDonna.com/donna/
04:27.54shorty114scanline: heh
04:27.56Patlabor2221shorty114: because you asked how to set up cops
04:28.09shorty114patlabor2221: no i ddin't
04:28.38shorty114i missed the it's
04:28.39Patlabor2221ahh so you didn't
04:28.46shorty114in front of the how you do cops
04:28.49shorty114somewhere
04:29.00shorty114when i was explaining it to amathis
04:29.27Patlabor2221I see that
04:29.35shorty114k
04:29.41shorty114so it's settled...
04:30.00DTRemenakSportChick: cool :)
04:30.18SportChickDTR: :) (hard to get a word in edgewise, tonight, isn't it?)
04:30.29shorty114heh
04:30.33DTRemenakit is a bit busier than usual :)
04:31.16shorty114amathis: i'm back to making my blog...
04:31.23amathiscool
04:31.45amathisSportChick, I will if you will http://amathis.net
04:31.47amathis:)
04:31.58shorty114heh
04:32.11amathiso.o
04:32.16amathis<-- can do that too.
04:32.18shorty114SC: i didn't even see the comments...;)
04:32.30SportChickat the bottom of each post is a section for comments
04:32.41SportChickclick on "comments" and voila! presto bingo!
04:33.06shorty114sc: you have to loign
04:33.13shorty114sc: or register with blogger.com
04:33.14SportChickfor ours?
04:33.16shorty114ya
04:33.19SportChickhmph
04:33.37shorty114maybe that's why no one's commenting...
04:33.48Patlabor2221so register
04:34.21shorty114i'm not gonna...
04:34.37Patlabor2221why not?
04:35.05shorty114don't like registering...get enough span anyway
04:35.12shorty114besides, i'm not gonna ever use it again...
04:35.16Patlabor2221does it ask for an e-mail?
04:36.22shorty114i dunno
04:36.25shorty114who cares?
04:36.38Patlabor2221dono, you brought it up
04:37.29*** join/#bzflag JohnDoe (~d9ea8a3f@rw08.de)
04:38.05Patlabor2221that is one long sign on thing
04:38.32shorty114huh?
04:38.51Patlabor2221her thing
04:38.54Patlabor2221it's excessive
04:39.04Patlabor2221better to just imbeed a LJ
04:44.36NidhoggrSportChick: pong
04:44.59PrezKennedyno one posts comments to either my blog or Open Source Gaming
04:45.41PrezKennedynobody (besides Google) loves me
04:45.47PrezKennedy:****(