| 00:14.32 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: i must say, the magical boobie sword is impressive |
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| 00:17.09 | Patlabor221 | I told you !!! :) |
| 00:17.25 | Michaelhhhh | ? |
| 00:18.01 | Michaelhhhh | Your missile patch is cool pat, it's kind of a shame it didn't get accepted by god |
| 00:18.16 | Patlabor221 | I know, they look really neat don't they :) |
| 00:18.23 | Patlabor221 | specialy when it tracks |
| 00:18.24 | Michaelhhhh | almost looks like real missiles |
| 00:18.34 | Michaelhhhh | instead of some ball of something |
| 00:18.37 | Patlabor221 | it's nice to see what way it's pointing |
| 00:18.38 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 00:18.55 | Patlabor221 | the old ones reimded me of photon torpedos from the star treck movies |
| 00:19.11 | Patlabor221 | and you can replace the model with anything |
| 00:19.17 | Patlabor221 | I had it as a fish once |
| 00:19.18 | Patlabor221 | it was funny |
| 00:19.21 | Michaelhhhh | Since there is no collision, right |
| 00:19.23 | Michaelhhhh | ? |
| 00:19.30 | Michaelhhhh | no collision detection.. |
| 00:19.44 | Michaelhhhh | except it's position |
| 00:20.08 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: preordered volume 2 yet? =D |
| 00:20.37 | Michaelhhhh | what was the object to it? The patch doesn't seem that complicated really |
| 00:20.53 | Michaelhhhh | Couldn't we at least have models that possibly replaceable? |
| 00:21.03 | Patlabor221 | no, no need to, the cart guy gets them to me about 2 weeks early, he dosn't do the stretdate thing |
| 00:21.30 | Patlabor221 | the patch adds a couple classes that didn't seem to fit in with the bzcoding sytle |
| 00:21.42 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: sweet |
| 00:21.43 | Michaelhhhh | huh |
| 00:21.47 | Patlabor221 | other then that I don't know why |
| 00:21.55 | Patlabor221 | the model reader |
| 00:22.14 | Patlabor221 | OSFile |
| 00:22.16 | Michaelhhhh | What because you just read it in the middle bzflag.cxx ? |
| 00:22.27 | Michaelhhhh | heh |
| 00:22.49 | Patlabor221 | I don't really know the reasons |
| 00:23.05 | Patlabor221 | it would have been cool, then other stuff could use external models too |
| 00:23.11 | Patlabor221 | like the flag |
| 00:23.14 | Michaelhhhh | Certainly it could be coded differently ... |
| 00:23.23 | Patlabor221 | sure |
| 00:23.26 | Michaelhhhh | without much effort |
| 00:23.35 | Patlabor221 | I figured that hey a class to draw a model, that's a good thing |
| 00:23.38 | Patlabor221 | all modular |
| 00:23.52 | Patlabor221 | and an OS inspecific file reader |
| 00:24.34 | Michaelhhhh | Certainly seems like bz *needs* an os inspecific file reader |
| 00:24.41 | Michaelhhhh | he didn't like that either |
| 00:24.42 | Michaelhhhh | ? |
| 00:24.46 | Patlabor221 | guess I was wrong to think that those were wanted |
| 00:24.52 | Patlabor221 | I don't recall the specifics |
| 00:24.59 | Patlabor221 | I just know it was declined |
| 00:25.13 | Michaelhhhh | ah well that's how it goes I guess |
| 00:25.32 | Patlabor221 | it would even kick back to the old missile if you went to low quality |
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| 00:38.06 | Patlabor221 | so it would have worked for those software people |
| 00:38.20 | Patlabor221 | or you could just remove the model and it would do that old way |
| 00:42.23 | Tupone | Patlabor221: where is that little icon that is used for Windows installer? is in cvs? |
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| 00:55.43 | Patlabor221 | little icon? |
| 00:55.50 | Patlabor221 | the red tank? |
| 00:58.32 | Patlabor221 | bzflag\win32\bzflag.ico |
| 00:59.38 | Patlabor221 | I have it in higher resolutions if you need |
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| 01:29.54 | Quol | any people here who know bfs 1.10.2 well? |
| 01:30.27 | Quol | any people here at all :) |
| 01:33.36 | scanline | NO |
| 01:36.21 | Quol | funny scanline :) |
| 01:39.22 | Quol | ~dict inferences |
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| 01:43.20 | Michaelhhhh | you mean .*z.* ? |
| 01:43.57 | Michaelhhhh | bzfs? |
| 01:44.47 | Quol | well - I had some trouble with my config for my 1.10.2 bz server (bzfs)...wanted to know if there was a work around... |
| 01:46.14 | Michaelhhhh | hmmmm |
| 01:46.27 | Michaelhhhh | what is you quest? |
| 01:46.55 | Quol | i was trying to make the server "non-public" but it kept seg-fault'ing' |
| 01:47.10 | Michaelhhhh | it's a feature ! |
| 01:47.11 | Quol | I had to use the -public options or it crahsed |
| 01:47.16 | Michaelhhhh | weird |
| 01:47.18 | Michaelhhhh | unix? |
| 01:47.21 | Quol | yes |
| 01:47.24 | Michaelhhhh | bleh |
| 01:47.29 | Quol | lol |
| 01:47.32 | Michaelhhhh | latest cvs? |
| 01:47.50 | Quol | no - the 10.2 that's posted on SF |
| 01:47.54 | Quol | tarball |
| 01:48.13 | Michaelhhhh | it's probably some command line option that's misread somehow |
| 01:48.27 | Michaelhhhh | by bzfs |
| 01:48.39 | Michaelhhhh | how complex is your setup? |
| 01:48.45 | Quol | not complex at all |
| 01:48.54 | Quol | just a simple tournament CTF server |
| 01:49.03 | Michaelhhhh | Doesn't start at all? |
| 01:49.10 | Quol | ctf - rico, time, timemanual, |
| 01:49.13 | Michaelhhhh | what's the line? |
| 01:49.21 | Quol | no - just crashes - segfault and that's it |
| 01:49.24 | Quol | no errors |
| 01:49.29 | Quol | even starting with -d -d -d -d |
| 01:49.59 | Quol | bzfs -d -d -d -d -c <config file> |
| 01:50.47 | Quol | config file has +r, +b, +h, time, timemanual, paths for the user/group db's |
| 01:50.58 | Quol | standard stuff |
| 01:51.09 | Quol | when I remove the 'public' options |
| 01:51.25 | Quol | that's when it happens, with public options - everything is fine |
| 01:51.41 | Quol | it's running now - quol.bzflag.org:59998 |
| 01:54.59 | Michaelhhhh | easiest thing to do will probably to give the file to someone who can run it in debug mode |
| 01:55.04 | Michaelhhhh | shouldn't be hard to find out what it is |
| 01:55.38 | Quol | that's what I figured - just didn't know if it was my problem, or a known problem.. |
| 01:56.18 | Michaelhhhh | it's likely something is misparsed |
| 01:56.45 | Quol | ya - I will try the latest CVS and see if that still happens or not... |
| 01:58.11 | Michaelhhhh | sounds kind of bizarre, i'd place my bet that it still happens |
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| 02:28.00 | Michaelhhhh | quol would -public happen to be the last item in your config? |
| 02:28.17 | Michaelhhhh | If it is, it might the item before that that isn't parsed correctly |
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| 02:39.27 | Michaelhhhh | arg someone will probably have to debug it with your file... |
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| 02:49.50 | MrApathyCream | hi boys |
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| 03:02.46 | MrApathyCream | Hmmm one could argue that roger could discern the shot location for the sound coming from an invisible bullet |
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| 04:50.11 | MrApathyCream | anyone know what the normal viewing angle out of the tank is? |
| 04:50.42 | MrApathyCream | ah 60 never mind |
| 05:14.46 | creeperz | what are some tools i can use to build source? |
| 05:26.48 | MrApathyCream | on what platform |
| 05:27.05 | CIA-1 | 03dbrosius * 10bzflag/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Roger doesn't like when the human's try to cheat against him |
| 05:27.31 | creeperz | windows |
| 05:27.45 | creeperz | the new sb email is funny :-) |
| 05:27.52 | MrApathyCream | currently on MS Visual Studio |
| 05:28.03 | creeperz | is that it? |
| 05:28.25 | MrApathyCream | currently |
| 05:28.29 | creeperz | hmm |
| 05:28.44 | creeperz | could you build bzfs with the -rabbitSelect patch? |
| 05:29.48 | MrApathyCream | i could |
| 05:29.59 | MrApathyCream | but then i'd have to pubish sources |
| 05:30.09 | creeperz | dang |
| 05:30.23 | creeperz | you have a site |
| 05:30.36 | creeperz | and source is a good thing :-) |
| 05:30.47 | creeperz | "the source is available upon request" ;-) |
| 05:35.37 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 05:37.20 | creeperz | "Arguing with the Ops is like arguing with God... there's nobody there, and if there's somebody there... he's not listening and if his listening... you're just pissing him off!" |
| 05:42.22 | CIA-1 | 03dbrosius * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/playing.cxx: Roger protests more |
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| 05:55.14 | CIA-1 | 03dbrosius * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/playing.cxx: Now Roger is really steamed |
| 05:56.23 | Nidhoggr | with all the stuff added to autopilot, there needs to be a way to disable being able to use it on a server. |
| 05:58.01 | MrApathyCream | would need a protocol busting release |
| 05:58.27 | Nidhoggr | well, it makes it not-so-fun to play on a server with half the people on autopilot |
| 05:58.36 | Nidhoggr | we're getting that a lot now |
| 05:58.39 | MrApathyCream | really? |
| 05:58.56 | MrApathyCream | that's funny actually |
| 05:59.16 | MrApathyCream | you could always vote-kick them |
| 05:59.39 | Nidhoggr | on our servers, we just kick or ban them. |
| 06:00.01 | MrApathyCream | are they blocking new joins? |
| 06:00.04 | Nidhoggr | but that's kinda silly that we are kicking them for a feature |
| 06:00.16 | Nidhoggr | new joins? |
| 06:00.21 | Nidhoggr | yes. |
| 06:00.26 | MrApathyCream | ah |
| 06:00.28 | Nidhoggr | we get people who just leave for a long time |
| 06:00.35 | Nidhoggr | "oh, I got a phone call" |
| 06:00.37 | MrApathyCream | so all the slots are full |
| 06:00.40 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 06:00.43 | MrApathyCream | and no one else can play |
| 06:00.58 | MrApathyCream | i see |
| 06:01.06 | Nidhoggr | honestly, this is getting to be a really sensitive issue on our servers. I'm almost ready to just /shutdownserver for good. |
| 06:01.09 | MrApathyCream | well i'm all for changing the network protocol for 1.12 |
| 06:01.14 | Nidhoggr | because I'm tired of the complaining. |
| 06:01.44 | Nidhoggr | suffice to say that something really needs to be done. |
| 06:01.58 | Nidhoggr | and I'd appreciate any help |
| 06:02.16 | MrApathyCream | i forget, can you stop regular bots from playing? |
| 06:02.24 | Nidhoggr | I'm not sure. |
| 06:02.28 | Nidhoggr | we kick a few bots off and on. |
| 06:03.59 | MrApathyCream | hmmm, i wonder if there's any way to detect programmatically that roger is playing |
| 06:03.59 | creeperz | can someone make a build of bzfs 1.10 w/ the -rabbitSelect patch? |
| 06:04.12 | Nidhoggr | shkoo was talking about detecting the jitter |
| 06:04.17 | Nidhoggr | and booting based on that. |
| 06:04.29 | Nidhoggr | dunno if he's done anything on it yet. |
| 06:04.32 | MrApathyCream | would be tough, do to lag |
| 06:04.38 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 06:05.16 | Nidhoggr | we have 1.10.3 bzfs with rabbitselect installed |
| 06:05.30 | Nidhoggr | statically linked (linux) |
| 06:05.44 | creeperz | where can i get a build? |
| 06:05.46 | creeperz | oh |
| 06:05.53 | MrApathyCream | creeperz: its linux |
| 06:06.02 | Nidhoggr | creeperz, what OS? |
| 06:06.04 | creeperz | i just caught that |
| 06:06.07 | creeperz | windows |
| 06:06.08 | MrApathyCream | doze |
| 06:06.10 | Nidhoggr | ah. |
| 06:06.17 | creeperz | Windowsn't |
| 06:06.18 | Nidhoggr | don't have a compiler for windows |
| 06:07.08 | Nidhoggr | ~seen larsl |
| 06:07.11 | | larsl <~larsl@c213-100-62-55.swipnet.se> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 18d 5h 49m 6s ago, saying: 'Eek, that thief sound is loud.'. |
| 06:07.20 | Nidhoggr | ~seen larsl_56k |
| 06:07.20 | | larsl_56k <~ll@md4690b0e.utfors.se> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 10d 10h 40m 19s ago, saying: 'What bugs?'. |
| 06:07.22 | creeperz | :-) |
| 06:07.22 | MrApathyCream | wow |
| 06:07.25 | Nidhoggr | hrm |
| 06:07.25 | MrApathyCream | lars on vacation |
| 06:07.46 | scanline | wow, bzflag is 2nd most active on sourceforge now |
| 06:07.46 | Nidhoggr | I wanted to show him my coolest screenshot ever. (bzadmin on my phone) |
| 06:07.52 | creeperz | is it? |
| 06:07.54 | MrApathyCream | cool |
| 06:08.02 | Nidhoggr | it's on the screenshots page |
| 06:08.33 | Nidhoggr | any idea on timing for 1.12? |
| 06:08.54 | MrApathyCream | probably 6/19 :) |
| 06:09.04 | MrApathyCream | based on historical data |
| 06:09.16 | Nidhoggr | hrm. not sure I can tolerate the complaining that long. hopefully I can find some patience somewhere. |
| 06:09.28 | creeperz | nidhoggr: url to your screenshots? |
| 06:09.32 | MrApathyCream | well, we could do something lame like have the client send a message announcing it's going into roger mode |
| 06:09.43 | MrApathyCream | and the server could kick on that |
| 06:09.45 | Nidhoggr | creeperz.. screenshots page off of the main www.bzflag.org page. |
| 06:09.55 | creeperz | ohh |
| 06:10.04 | Nidhoggr | that would at least be SOMETHING.. It might help a bit. |
| 06:10.14 | creeperz | cool |
| 06:10.15 | MrApathyCream | well, i'll put that in now |
| 06:10.21 | Nidhoggr | thankyou. |
| 06:10.25 | MrApathyCream | seems harmless |
| 06:10.29 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 06:10.36 | MrApathyCream | one sec |
| 06:13.32 | Nidhoggr | it'd be trivial to have shkoo do a patch on our servers to boot after warning for autopilot. |
| 06:13.49 | creeperz | ~seen patlabor221 |
| 06:13.51 | | patlabor221 <~JeffM@208.48.199.220> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 5h 14m 13s ago, saying: 'I have it in higher resolutions if you need'. |
| 06:20.08 | creeperz | is there anyone here could build bzfs with the -rabbitSelect patch? |
| 06:20.22 | creeperz | It would be great |
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| 06:28.52 | MrApathyCream | poor creeperz |
| 06:30.25 | CIA-1 | 03dbrosius * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/playing.cxx: Roger announces his actions |
| 06:31.18 | MrApathyCream | Nidhoggr: give that a whirl |
| 06:31.45 | Nidhoggr | I'll have to get someone to compile for me. :) thanks a bunch |
| 06:31.53 | MrApathyCream | k |
| 06:32.04 | MrApathyCream | it's still defeatable |
| 06:32.12 | MrApathyCream | but better than nothin |
| 06:32.15 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 06:33.20 | creeperz | poor me |
| 06:33.47 | MrApathyCream | lessee creeperz.... |
| 06:35.41 | MrApathyCream | who's shkoo, anyway? |
| 06:35.59 | Nidhoggr | a good friend and developer |
| 06:36.09 | Nidhoggr | who has gotten interested in bzflag :) |
| 06:36.27 | Nidhoggr | he did -rabbitSelection patch and a -requireIdentify patch |
| 06:36.54 | Nidhoggr | he did our old log mods, too |
| 06:38.28 | MrApathyCream | name? |
| 06:38.33 | MrApathyCream | or is he masked |
| 06:38.49 | Nidhoggr | Nils |
| 06:38.54 | MrApathyCream | k |
| 06:39.04 | Nidhoggr | he is at least idling in here. |
| 06:39.24 | Nidhoggr | he works where I work, and I've known him since about 1995 |
| 06:39.52 | MrApathyCream | coo |
| 06:39.55 | MrApathyCream | just wonderin |
| 06:40.43 | MrApathyCream | so this is server side only? |
| 06:40.55 | Nidhoggr | the rabbitselection patch? |
| 06:45.23 | shkoo | i chat as "shkoo", bzflag as "vicious", and am named "nils mccarthy" in Real Life. |
| 06:45.45 | Nidhoggr | hi shkoo |
| 06:45.50 | shkoo | hi |
| 06:47.54 | MrApathyCream | creeperz: uploading now, will be a few |
| 06:48.00 | creeperz | huh? |
| 06:48.01 | MrApathyCream | howdy shkoo |
| 06:48.03 | creeperz | its built? |
| 06:48.14 | MrApathyCream | built, and posting |
| 06:48.20 | creeperz | thanks |
| 06:48.24 | MrApathyCream | but will be a few (~33k) |
| 06:48.31 | creeperz | eew |
| 06:48.57 | MrApathyCream | shkoo if you would like cvs access, talk to tim |
| 06:49.42 | Nidhoggr | I think he jumped on dragon.org for a few. he was trying to talk me into restaring so his troubleshooting code would take effect. |
| 06:49.46 | creeperz | hwck, right now im getting 55k |
| 06:49.51 | creeperz | look at this though: |
| 06:50.00 | creeperz | http://creeperz.noodleroni.com/creepy.png |
| 06:52.00 | creeperz | MAC: what is the url? |
| 06:52.05 | creeperz | for your site |
| 06:52.09 | MrApathyCream | um |
| 06:52.22 | MrApathyCream | base site is bzflag.mebigfatguy.com |
| 06:52.30 | MrApathyCream | still building the link |
| 06:52.36 | creeperz | k |
| 06:53.45 | creeperz | just throw a rock at me when its done |
| 06:53.55 | MrApathyCream | with pleasure |
| 06:54.12 | creeperz | that hurt |
| 06:54.51 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 06:54.57 | creeperz | ;-) |
| 06:55.06 | MrApathyCream | tminus16mins |
| 06:55.15 | creeperz | :-O |
| 06:59.32 | creeperz | what is the slow key board motion (or something like that) do? |
| 06:59.37 | creeperz | for* |
| 07:00.02 | MrApathyCream | makes driving with keys more controlable? |
| 07:00.29 | creeperz | hmm |
| 07:01.33 | learner | it's not slower -- at least it "shouldn't" be slower |
| 07:01.49 | MrApathyCream | well lookie who stumbled in |
| 07:02.24 | learner | :) |
| 07:02.26 | learner | hiya |
| 07:02.45 | MrApathyCream | hey |
| 07:02.48 | learner | just finished giving myself a haircut; was getting too wooley |
| 07:03.02 | MrApathyCream | ah |
| 07:03.09 | MrApathyCream | blue bowl or green? |
| 07:03.09 | learner | or wookie, both work |
| 07:04.15 | learner | these new square glad bowl thingies don't work so well |
| 07:04.36 | MrApathyCream | i wouldn't suppose so, no |
| 07:04.40 | learner | I miss any fun? |
| 07:04.52 | MrApathyCream | prolly ok, if you position so the point is forward |
| 07:05.06 | MrApathyCream | fun: not really |
| 07:05.07 | learner | heh |
| 07:05.44 | creeperz | http://creeperz.noodleroni.com/creepy2.png |
| 07:05.50 | learner | ah, i see roger tries to play a fair game now |
| 07:06.08 | learner | more fair, at least |
| 07:06.10 | creeperz | what is with these speeds at this time of night?! |
| 07:06.34 | MrApathyCream | netbeans :) the ide that suX0rs |
| 07:06.42 | learner | you're complaining? |
| 07:06.48 | creeperz | no |
| 07:07.03 | creeperz | i've never had speeds like this before |
| 07:07.08 | MrApathyCream | yupyup |
| 07:07.13 | creeperz | http://creeperz.noodleroni.com/creepy.png |
| 07:07.36 | MrApathyCream | ? |
| 07:07.58 | learner | her ISP doubled her (already crazily high and cheap) bandwidth for free |
| 07:08.13 | MrApathyCream | nice |
| 07:08.16 | learner | indeed |
| 07:08.20 | MrApathyCream | i saw that ad too |
| 07:08.22 | MrApathyCream | :( |
| 07:08.38 | learner | not avail on that side of the river? |
| 07:08.42 | MrApathyCream | no |
| 07:08.51 | MrApathyCream | funny you should say |
| 07:08.51 | learner | :( |
| 07:08.54 | creeperz | MAC: T-*? |
| 07:09.12 | MrApathyCream | i had subscribed for notification when broadband was available with a list server |
| 07:10.02 | MrApathyCream | just yesterday i got an email entitled "Update notice: Earthlink Hispeed availability" |
| 07:10.08 | MrApathyCream | when i opened it it said. |
| 07:10.13 | MrApathyCream | Still not available |
| 07:10.30 | creeperz | :-) |
| 07:10.39 | learner | they tease |
| 07:11.12 | MrApathyCream | yup |
| 07:12.03 | learner | argh |
| 07:12.08 | learner | still the same |
| 07:13.07 | learner | hrm.. I is allowing a half-second burst >40KB/s.. that's new |
| 07:13.12 | learner | er it |
| 07:13.31 | learner | nah.. still 32KB/s max upload.. |
| 07:13.39 | learner | er, tries |
| 07:15.11 | learner | Mmm.. download has increased some |
| 07:15.14 | MrApathyCream | bzflag.mebigfatguy.com |
| 07:15.19 | MrApathyCream | goto download section |
| 07:15.21 | learner | 400 KB/s sustained |
| 07:15.24 | creeperz | im there |
| 07:15.35 | creeperz | and the boulder grazed me...and it hurt :-) |
| 07:17.22 | creeperz | Ah, dank MAC |
| 07:17.27 | creeperz | thank |
| 07:17.52 | MrApathyCream | np |
| 07:22.37 | shkoo | MrApathyCream: you mean like commit access? it'd sure be useful; my patches are just sitting there and it's kind of annoying to keep them separate with the other stuff i'm working on. |
| 07:23.35 | shkoo | but i guess the rabbit selection thing is still controversial, so... |
| 07:24.21 | creeperz | need...more...memory! |
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| 07:26.08 | MrApathyCream | shkoo |
| 07:26.25 | MrApathyCream | yup, but if you plan on too alot of stuff, you should have it |
| 07:26.40 | MrApathyCream | well, that was good english |
| 07:26.51 | Nidhoggr | english from the fingers of you |
| 07:26.55 | MrApathyCream | yes |
| 07:26.58 | creeperz | :-) |
| 07:27.21 | MrApathyCream | shkoo, probably not that controversial for 1.12, just for 1.10.4 |
| 07:28.02 | shkoo | but 1.12 is a long ways away and will break clients. :( |
| 07:28.28 | creeperz | so i replace -rabbit with -rabbitSelection killer ? |
| 07:28.41 | shkoo | add both -rabbit and -rabbitSelection killer. |
| 07:28.45 | shkoo | see the man page or use the config file generator. :) |
| 07:28.46 | creeperz | ahh |
| 07:28.51 | creeperz | :-) |
| 07:28.53 | creeperz | thanks |
| 07:29.56 | shkoo | but, i have a bunch of stuff on my todo list that's new features that doesn't break protocol. if it's not ok to make it into sf cvs 1.10 i'm probably going to have to keep track of it locally anyways. |
| 07:31.37 | shkoo | but maybe i'll bug tim. he said he'd look at my -requireIdentify patch anyways, but i haven't heard back from him. |
| 07:31.55 | Patlabor221 | send him an e-mail he reads those |
| 07:32.22 | creeperz | cool, you edit your email string in the client |
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| 07:33.31 | Patlabor221 | where do "targetingUtils" go? |
| 07:35.45 | creeperz | MAC: what all patches did you put on, just the rabbitselection one? |
| 07:36.21 | Patlabor221 | yah for tupoine, windows GL issue looks resolved |
| 07:37.02 | CIA-1 | 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/win32/VC71/bzflag.vcproj: add targetingUtils |
| 07:38.42 | MrApathyCream | bzflag |
| 07:38.51 | MrApathyCream | creeperz: yes |
| 07:39.00 | MrApathyCream | Patlabor221: yes they do |
| 07:39.55 | CIA-1 | 03dbrosius * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: the /set command was masking all the /setXXX commands |
| 07:39.58 | Patlabor221 | I knew it had to be something in app code |
| 07:40.58 | creeperz | ok, i just blew myself up and couldnt respawn, quit bzflag client and then bzfs had an error and shut down :-/ |
| 07:41.44 | learner | arrrgh.. conflicts with drosius |
| 07:43.54 | creeperz | -fb is for flags on buildings? |
| 07:44.00 | MrApathyCream | yes |
| 07:44.15 | creeperz | what is to spawn on buildings? |
| 07:44.18 | MrApathyCream | -sb |
| 07:44.21 | MrApathyCream | of course |
| 07:44.27 | creeperz | ok :-) |
| 07:44.46 | creeperz | who woulda guessed? |
| 07:45.21 | captain_proton | i bet the documentation knows :P |
| 07:46.21 | creeperz | :-) |
| 07:47.16 | creeperz | when i kill myself and try to rejoin, it kills bzfs |
| 07:49.44 | MrApathyCream | bummer |
| 07:50.04 | MrApathyCream | so much for the patch :) |
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| 07:52.47 | creeperz | :-D |
| 08:01.22 | CIA-1 | 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/ (bzfs.cxx commands.cxx): |
| 08:01.23 | CIA-1 | make sure all command hook functions now actually contain and handle their own |
| 08:01.25 | CIA-1 | permission logic. output appropriate messages when permission is denied |
| 08:01.27 | CIA-1 | (instead of command not found). clean up some of the temp string usage |
| 08:01.38 | MrApathyCream | nifty |
| 08:02.03 | learner | er, guess I shoulda compiled that before commiting *cough* *cough* |
| 08:02.19 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 08:03.15 | MrApathyCream | oops |
| 08:03.26 | learner | almost fixed.. sorry |
| 08:04.07 | MrApathyCream | :) |
| 08:05.40 | MrApathyCream | learner wonders where lagstats comes from |
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| 08:08.10 | CIA-1 | 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/commands.cxx: dust bunnies, I tell you -- honest |
| 08:08.17 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 08:10.13 | MrApathyCream | it piles |
| 08:10.27 | learner | weet |
| 08:14.32 | MrApathyCream | well, unless captain_proton has something magical to checkin, i guess it's time for bed |
| 08:14.49 | learner | same here |
| 08:14.56 | learner | hey, did you mod opengltexfont? |
| 08:15.06 | learner | i still haven't gotten back to it just yet |
| 08:15.07 | MrApathyCream | lil bit |
| 08:15.18 | MrApathyCream | very minor refactor |
| 08:15.39 | learner | okies |
| 08:15.45 | MrApathyCream | l8r |
| 08:15.50 | MrApathyCream | don't let the dust bunnies bite |
| 08:15.59 | learner | heh, night ;) |
| 08:17.34 | CIA-1 | 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/Makefile.am: case-sensitive alphabetical |
| 08:18.54 | creeperz | well |
| 08:18.58 | creeperz | that time |
| 08:23.51 | CIA-1 | 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/Makefile.am: sheesh.. time to sleep |
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| 16:22.57 | KR | hi all |
| 16:23.12 | david_v | hoy hoy... look who is here! |
| 16:23.33 | KR | what'd you call me? ;) |
| 16:23.43 | Pimpinella | live on this channel ! |
| 16:24.37 | david_v | hmmm |
| 16:25.13 | Pimpinella | KR: havnt seen calico for a long time, what happend to him? |
| 16:25.43 | Pimpinella | KR: Mur the same |
| 16:25.57 | KR | I've seen cal early mornings on ducati 1.10 CTF (EST) |
| 16:26.08 | KR | haven't seen mur in a while tho |
| 16:26.41 | KR | seems team TDS are just now beginning to get 1.10 installed :) |
| 16:27.06 | KR | which is good, since thats pretty much all I've been using since release |
| 16:27.06 | Pimpinella | ducati 1.10 CTF ?? is this server listed? |
| 16:27.22 | KR | yes - its port 51596 iirc |
| 16:27.27 | david_v | 59156 |
| 16:27.33 | david_v | 59998 for matches |
| 16:27.36 | KR | thats it - doh! |
| 16:29.21 | david_v | it's weird, though, because many teams seem to want to play matches on 1.7... and if someone has only 1.10, it is hard to arrange :( |
| 16:29.46 | Pimpinella | well i had probs with 1.10.0, but since im running 1.10.3 everything is running smooth |
| 16:29.58 | david_v | haven't tried .3 yet |
| 16:30.11 | david_v | did they break the protocol yet? heh :) |
| 16:30.39 | david_v | some adjustments on the spawns wouldn't hurt though |
| 16:32.14 | david_v | brb |
| 16:33.42 | KR | what I saw ches say the other day was that the spawns in 1.10 use 100% of the field, not the inner 70% as in 1.7 |
| 16:33.42 | Pimpinella | im playing with 1.10.3 on .0 servers an it works, so if they broke to protocol the changes shouldnt be that serious |
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| 16:34.07 | Pimpinella | yes, think so |
| 16:34.19 | KR | I think that that has a lot to do with people not liking 1.10 - its too large a difference |
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| 16:34.42 | larsl | Hello, internet! |
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| 16:34.48 | KR | eh - not too large - too noticeable |
| 16:34.50 | Pimpinella | not really |
| 16:34.56 | KR | hi lars! |
| 16:35.10 | Pimpinella | ^^ too |
| 16:35.52 | larsl | Hi, hi. |
| 16:35.54 | larsl | ~bzflist |
| 16:53.03 | david_v | KR: back, what you and say about the spawn is indeed the problem, at least for me. i think it would be ok if they fixed that. i also suggested in my post on BZBB that spawning into bullet paths can be avoided by other means |
| 16:53.11 | david_v | hi lars |
| 16:53.46 | david_v | Pimpinella: ok, i just heard they were considering to do it at some point |
| 16:54.37 | larsl | david_v: Hello. |
| 16:54.49 | KR | I've either gotten used to the spawns, or they were changed incrementely from 1.10.0 - 1.10.2 :) |
| 16:55.34 | KR | gee - I wonder if I went back to playing with 1.7, I would get good spawns all the time now? :) |
| 16:55.53 | david_v | err :) |
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| 16:56.53 | david_v | i have both 1.7 and 1.10 installed so i use both ... mostly 1.10 because of lack of 1.7 servers though |
| 16:57.21 | Tupone | KR: now there are some "find good location" code in the 1.10.2 (or it is 1.10.3) |
| 16:57.28 | KR | that lack must explain why I am starting to see regular people again, on 1.10 now |
| 16:57.36 | david_v | yep |
| 16:58.02 | KR | oh ok thx - seemed better - so "Good Job! It Works!" :D |
| 16:58.49 | Pimpinella | Tupone: pls explain 'find gool location' |
| 16:59.11 | larsl | I think the new spawn code is in the development version (not 1.10.2), but since most servers are running CVS code they probably have it. |
| 16:59.20 | KR | I know 1.10 was supposed to make cheating harder - is a "skinny tank" client mod still possible? (/me crosses fingers it is not) |
| 16:59.28 | larsl | KR: It is. |
| 16:59.32 | Tupone | It was made by Chestal, trying to spawn away from enemy |
| 16:59.34 | KR | bah |
| 17:00.04 | Pimpinella | Tupone: ah, about spawning!!! tnx |
| 17:00.06 | david_v | KR: i think only spawn cheats are impossible at this point |
| 17:00.31 | Pimpinella | auto-pilot has become strong |
| 17:00.45 | david_v | yeah AP is cool :) |
| 17:01.14 | Tupone | yesterday fixes should inform server of autopilot engagment |
| 17:01.15 | KR | david - screw em, let em die alone |
| 17:01.23 | Pimpinella | it is winning against weak players |
| 17:01.50 | david_v | hehe i think so... i tried a bot-war before between three tanks. you could actually take them for real players |
| 17:02.06 | david_v | they dodge extremely quickly too. that's a bonus |
| 17:02.24 | KR | do they still get stuck trying to go through buildings instead of around? |
| 17:02.36 | larsl | Tupone: That's good. Then the server can kick them if autopilot isn't allowed. |
| 17:02.47 | KR | if opponent is one other side I mean |
| 17:02.51 | Tupone | I think MAC did for that reason |
| 17:02.56 | david_v | KR: didn't watch that long... dunno :) |
| 17:03.10 | sussudio | umm just disable autopilot on the client side if server doesn't allow it? |
| 17:03.34 | larsl | sussudio: Yes, but that requires all clients to upgrade. |
| 17:03.47 | larsl | But it should be done anyway. |
| 17:04.01 | KR | ms-style upgrades ;) |
| 17:04.12 | sussudio | i'd like to see bots and players divided in the server list. |
| 17:04.32 | sussudio | i hate it when i join a server and there's only 6 bots there. |
| 17:04.46 | Tupone | I think the approach is: when someone engage, a message from server should say unengae outpilot or you'll killed in 5 sec |
| 17:05.59 | david_v | better still would be if the client would request autopilot mode from server? |
| 17:06.00 | larsl | Because we all know that all players read the server messages. =) |
| 17:06.02 | david_v | or just say "no, not allowed" |
| 17:06.10 | david_v | heh |
| 17:06.37 | larsl | david_v: Yes, that should be done at next protocol change. |
| 17:06.47 | Tupone | for the bot, I'll suggest to disable bot by command-line, or do not count as positive kill, killing bot |
| 17:06.53 | david_v | larsl: any idea when that is going to be? |
| 17:06.59 | larsl | No. =) |
| 17:07.01 | david_v | hehe |
| 17:07.05 | david_v | roughly? :) |
| 17:07.13 | david_v | this year, next decade, never? ;) |
| 17:07.16 | larsl | We have lots of bugs to fix in 1.10 first, I think it's going to be a while. |
| 17:07.28 | KR | color pictures from Mars rover are out now :) |
| 17:07.28 | david_v | forgot to mention this decade :) |
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| 17:07.44 | david_v | man... why didn't they put a tank on mars instead of that rover |
| 17:07.49 | KR | lol |
| 17:07.52 | larsl | A jumping tank! |
| 17:07.53 | david_v | we would be expertised to steer it |
| 17:07.54 | KR | shhh DB is here |
| 17:07.55 | david_v | yeah! |
| 17:08.01 | Pimpinella | so we can see so is AP but the server wont reject AP-mode? |
| 17:08.17 | larsl | A few minutes lag, that's nothing for an experienced bzflag player. =) |
| 17:08.20 | david_v | i think the plans were to reject it? |
| 17:08.26 | david_v | larsl: exactly :D |
| 17:08.37 | sussudio | larsl: it could join BiPS |
| 17:08.43 | david_v | hmmm :) |
| 17:10.38 | Pimpinella | aaahhhh, got cvs-access |
| 17:10.46 | Pimpinella | tried for 2 days |
| 17:10.52 | KR | http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/mer2004/rover-images/jan-06-2004/P2302.jpg |
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| 17:26.18 | Nidhoggr | larsl! |
| 17:26.47 | sussudio | Nidhoggr: basement doesn't really lend itself for rabbit hunt :-P |
| 17:26.54 | Nidhoggr | people love it |
| 17:26.58 | Nidhoggr | it's kinda fun |
| 17:27.13 | sussudio | you could get rid of the stealth flag |
| 17:27.21 | Nidhoggr | that's what makes it so fun! |
| 17:52.12 | creeperz | who is admin at the byu.edu server? |
| 17:52.38 | creeperz | there was a guy by the name of dealer420 who is a tk and a potty mouth |
| 17:52.40 | creeperz | :-) |
| 17:53.11 | creeperz | and he complains alot about people accidently tk'ing him and kills other people |
| 17:53.25 | creeperz | i tried to calm him down and he shot me, said "lotta fun huh? |
| 17:53.29 | creeperz | " and left |
| 17:57.52 | sussudio | 65.66.35.161 instructor, Little_Red_Corvette, jv, teach ya, Left Turn Only, Shoot Me I am New, Dealer420, GaryA, Killer |
| 17:58.15 | sussudio | * Dns resolved 65.66.35.161 to adsl-65-66-35-161.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net |
| 18:03.55 | hans | creeperz: that would be me |
| 18:05.34 | hans | have banned that ip |
| 18:06.13 | creeperz | k |
| 18:06.36 | hans | I'd like to use filterChat and filterCallsigns but I don't feel like typing a file full of obscenities. :-) anyone have a good one? |
| 18:07.11 | creeperz | you put one word per line right? |
| 18:07.27 | creeperz | im going to type one up for my server |
| 18:07.30 | larsl | hans: There is one in CVS (should be in the distribution too, I think). |
| 18:07.35 | larsl | There are two, even. |
| 18:08.10 | creeperz | you shouldnt have to need one |
| 18:08.27 | creeperz | but people push their luck alot with swearing |
| 18:09.09 | larsl | ~bzflist |
| 18:09.12 | hans | looks like the debian maintainer doesn't include it in the package |
| 18:09.27 | hans | that's Tim, right? |
| 18:09.39 | larsl | I think so. |
| 18:09.59 | larsl | You can get it from the CVS web interface, I'll find a link. |
| 18:10.13 | hans | i'm at the interface, what's the directory it's in? |
| 18:10.16 | hans | and what's it called? |
| 18:10.20 | larsl | misc/ |
| 18:10.32 | larsl | multilingualSwearList.txt and simpleSwearList.txt |
| 18:11.04 | hans | does multilingual include english? |
| 18:11.08 | larsl | Yes. |
| 18:11.34 | hans | heh, now if I can get it through our http proxy. :) |
| 18:13.42 | hans | can I add a swear list to a running game? |
| 18:14.44 | larsl | I don't think so, but I'm not sure. |
| 18:14.59 | larsl | I think it's only loaded when the server starts. |
| 18:15.15 | Nidhoggr | hans, nope... you have to restart |
| 18:17.11 | creeperz | could someone build me 1.10.2 with the -rabbitSelection patch ? |
| 18:17.19 | creeperz | 1.10.3 doesn't work correctly |
| 18:20.03 | hans | anyone know why the flags keep dissapearing on my server? |
| 18:20.31 | creeperz | whats your server? |
| 18:20.35 | hans | phantom.byu.edu |
| 18:20.40 | creeperz | oh |
| 18:20.41 | hans | 1.10.2 |
| 18:20.45 | creeperz | no idea |
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| 18:26.49 | hans | is the networking documentation at bzflag.org/developers/ out of date? haven't they changed a lot in this release? |
| 18:28.55 | larsl | It is out of date. I think most of it describes the networking in 1.7. |
| 18:31.20 | KR | off to a 1.10 CTF sever, see if anyone's playing... |
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| 18:39.58 | corndawg | heyas all |
| 18:43.48 | Nidhoggr | hi corndawg |
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| 18:52.56 | Nidhoggr | hi timriker |
| 18:53.34 | corndawg | heyas Nidhoggr |
| 18:59.45 | corndawg | brrrr holy smokes its flippin cold here |
| 19:00.14 | bryjen | ~weather kowb |
| 19:01.28 | larsl | ~weather essb |
| 19:01.51 | corndawg | <g4Rf|3Ld> Elyria, Ohio -- 1:53 PM EST on January 06, 2004 |
| 19:01.51 | corndawg | <g4Rf|3Ld> Temp: 11 F Wind Chill: -6 F Humidity: 61% |
| 19:01.51 | corndawg | <g4Rf|3Ld> Conditions : Clear with wind WEST at 16 mph |
| 19:01.51 | corndawg | <g4Rf|3Ld> Sunrise : Sunset : |
| 19:01.51 | corndawg | <corndawg> jesus christ its cold out |
| 19:03.04 | larsl | -22F, -30C |
| 19:03.12 | bryjen | silly yankee, move south away from that big lake. ;) |
| 19:04.19 | corndawg | lol bryjen |
| 19:04.21 | Nidhoggr | corndawg: your basement map is a popular rabbit game map on dragon.org :) |
| 19:04.27 | corndawg | it is? |
| 19:04.35 | Noodleman | much funnage |
| 19:04.38 | Nidhoggr | defintely |
| 19:04.40 | Noodleman | :-) |
| 19:04.42 | corndawg | cool |
| 19:04.53 | Noodleman | it's a very good map |
| 19:04.57 | corndawg | thanks |
| 19:05.01 | Nidhoggr | we had 20 people on there the last few nights... full server. |
| 19:05.02 | corndawg | took a while to make |
| 19:05.02 | brlcad | nice, larsl.. bzadmin patch |
| 19:05.06 | corndawg | holy.. |
| 19:05.18 | Noodleman | i would imagine it would take a log time |
| 19:05.27 | Nidhoggr | bzadmin patch? |
| 19:05.28 | corndawg | well... theres enough places to hide in that map |
| 19:05.39 | Noodleman | my all time favorite map didn't take long at all |
| 19:05.43 | Nidhoggr | it's great for rabbit... although some people don't like it. |
| 19:05.47 | Noodleman | touch blank.bzw |
| 19:05.48 | Noodleman | :-) |
| 19:05.51 | Nidhoggr | heh |
| 19:05.53 | corndawg | ah |
| 19:06.04 | bryjen | Noodleman is touch'ed |
| 19:06.09 | Noodleman | hehe |
| 19:06.25 | bryjen | ;) |
| 19:06.44 | Nidhoggr | ugh... I hate having to fire admins. |
| 19:07.23 | Noodleman | what did they do? |
| 19:07.34 | Nidhoggr | conspiring with knightmare |
| 19:07.38 | Nidhoggr | or trying to |
| 19:07.40 | Noodleman | ack |
| 19:07.42 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 19:07.56 | Nidhoggr | I read logs on server this morning, and almost laid a nuclear egg |
| 19:08.03 | stibnite | oh my |
| 19:08.07 | corndawg | uh oh |
| 19:08.14 | Noodleman | knightmare should be shoveling snow in siberia with spoogebob |
| 19:08.15 | bryjen | sounds painful |
| 19:08.26 | brlcad | which server? |
| 19:08.37 | Nidhoggr | 2 users talking about getting with knightmare to help them get the server password, and one of them was an admin. |
| 19:08.40 | Nidhoggr | secretplace |
| 19:08.49 | brlcad | ah |
| 19:09.06 | brlcad | do any of the admins live in here? (other than you?) |
| 19:09.07 | larsl | Don't they know that they are being logged? |
| 19:09.14 | Nidhoggr | shkoo |
| 19:09.27 | Nidhoggr | shkoo is one of our main admins, who I trust with the /password |
| 19:09.29 | bryjen | hmm. seems my clue meter just pegged negative.... :) |
| 19:09.35 | Noodleman | obviously, either they are dumb, or don't care :-) |
| 19:09.38 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 19:09.46 | Nidhoggr | young and dumb. |
| 19:09.59 | Nidhoggr | then they both up and left to go cheat on bigger board. |
| 19:10.08 | Noodleman | it's a good thing you monitor your logs |
| 19:10.14 | Nidhoggr | nod. |
| 19:10.41 | Nidhoggr | it was almost as shocking as one of the players having c-sex on the server with users, after I told them that I could read PMs |
| 19:10.43 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 19:11.10 | Noodleman | i've seen people do that before |
| 19:11.22 | Noodleman | on bzflag servers |
| 19:11.25 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 19:11.30 | Grumbler | Nidhoggr: say it aint so..... |
| 19:11.31 | Noodleman | it's quite sick, imho |
| 19:11.40 | Nidhoggr | definitely |
| 19:12.37 | Grumbler | Nidhoggr: knighty doesnt have permission on dragon as well>>>>>>err, guess he might with common user groups |
| 19:14.15 | corndawg | bzflag and cybering.... man |
| 19:14.44 | Nidhoggr | knighty has been banned for a while. |
| 19:14.49 | Nidhoggr | until his IP changes. |
| 19:14.53 | Nidhoggr | then he gets banned again. |
| 19:14.56 | Nidhoggr | it's a routine. |
| 19:17.39 | larsl | Nidhoggr: Which rabbit algorithm are you using on dragon.org? |
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| 19:18.20 | Noodleman | killer is rabbit, i think |
| 19:18.49 | *** part/#bzflag Manu_1 (~Manu_1@98.Red-80-36-59.pooles.rima-tde.net) |
| 19:19.00 | Grumbler | unless the killer dies before someone else can kill him |
| 19:19.06 | Noodleman | yeah |
| 19:22.55 | creeperz | there should be a "send message to nearest teammate" button |
| 19:24.11 | creeperz | dirty |
| 19:24.22 | creeperz | people do that on bzflag? |
| 19:25.00 | creeperz | can i get a build of 1.10.2 with the -rabbitSelect patch for windows? |
| 19:25.15 | creeperz | 1.10.3 is buggy and kills bzfs |
| 19:26.08 | corndawg | brb all |
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| 19:34.09 | creeperz | Derelekt is a tk |
| 19:34.31 | creeperz | ~bzfquery artoo.net |
| 19:36.00 | shkoo | creeperz: we keep up with cvs and add -rabbitSelect patch and it works fine for us. too bad you'er running windows or we could try to figure out what went wrong. :) |
| 19:36.27 | Noodleman | windows is eavul |
| 19:37.26 | creeperz | windows isnt |
| 19:37.30 | Noodleman | :-) |
| 19:37.31 | creeperz | its developers are |
| 19:37.59 | Noodleman | by association with its developers, windows is eavul |
| 19:38.05 | Noodleman | how's that? |
| 19:38.07 | Noodleman | :-) |
| 19:38.14 | creeperz | ok, that works :-D |
| 19:38.25 | shkoo | actually, i think i have already have visual c++ installed. i should try compiling under windows sometime. |
| 19:40.50 | larsl | I like the tasks in the SF tracker. |
| 19:41.03 | larsl | Does it mean that we can stop using TODO now? |
| 19:44.00 | creeperz | the next release will let the server load tank meshes? |
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| 20:03.18 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: i can't seem to ssh into sasami |
| 20:09.19 | Patlabor221 | ?!? |
| 20:09.31 | captain_proton | dunno, it times out on the connection |
| 20:09.33 | captain_proton | i can ping |
| 20:09.54 | Patlabor221 | hmm I hope it's lease didn't expire |
| 20:10.24 | Patlabor221 | hmm I can't RPC to my house ether |
| 20:10.34 | Patlabor221 | I'm gonna run out to lunch, I'll pop home and check it out |
| 20:10.56 | Patlabor221 | I'll bet the DHCP lease expired |
| 20:11.04 | Patlabor221 | I need to set sasami on a static internal |
| 20:11.39 | captain_proton | i'm quite happy with having an official static for our external and static leases for our internal :) |
| 20:12.13 | Patlabor221 | the router is doing DHCP, I don't know if I have lease controll |
| 20:12.15 | Patlabor221 | I will check |
| 20:12.19 | Patlabor221 | bbiab |
| 20:12.48 | captain_proton | i doubt you can do static leases with that |
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| 20:22.41 | patlabor2221 | cap try now |
| 20:23.13 | captain_proton | did the IP change? |
| 20:23.24 | patlabor2221 | proabalby |
| 20:23.55 | patlabor2221 | 1 sec |
| 20:23.58 | patlabor2221 | restartijng again |
| 20:24.23 | patlabor2221 | ok should be good now |
| 20:24.35 | captain_proton | looks to be working |
| 20:24.52 | patlabor2221 | I seet the DHCP to allways give that mac addy the same intenal IP |
| 20:25.46 | patlabor2221 | I need to install the no-ip.com client on sasami at some point |
| 20:25.49 | patlabor2221 | ok I get food now |
| 20:26.02 | captain_proton | thanks muchly |
| 20:30.05 | Pimpinella | is there any doku for the -rabbitSelect thing? |
| 20:37.58 | shkoo | yes |
| 20:38.13 | shkoo | the patch modifies the bzfs man page, plus the config file generator knows about it. |
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| 20:52.42 | rooter | so... the ducati server isn't showing up on the 1.10 client... and i don't know what the port is anymore to test if it is really up |
| 20:52.52 | larsl_food | ~bzflist |
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| 20:53.34 | rooter | so... does anybody know the new port for ducati ctf? used to be 5156 |
| 20:54.38 | Chestal | not in list server? |
| 20:54.44 | rooter | nope |
| 20:54.48 | Chestal | hmm, should be |
| 20:54.55 | Chestal | it's on 59156 for now |
| 20:55.14 | rooter | thanks |
| 20:55.24 | Chestal | its in the list for me |
| 20:55.35 | Chestal | it's just empty |
| 20:55.54 | sussudio | it'll scan your local network first, won't it :-| |
| 20:56.41 | Chestal | I'm not in the same network as the server |
| 20:56.44 | rooter | hmmm... it shows up now |
| 20:57.27 | rooter | yesterday i had an odd thing happen on the new client... |
| 20:57.59 | rooter | i was on the CTF server and one of the tanks was blinking like it was a rabbit |
| 20:58.22 | rooter | and in the player scoreboard there was Hunt->Calico |
| 20:58.33 | Chestal | maybe youpressed the hunting key |
| 20:58.37 | larsl_food | It's not the rabbit that blinks, it's the tank you're hunting. You can change that with 'U' (I think). |
| 20:58.41 | Grumbler | i think if you hit the u key you will get that |
| 20:58.42 | rooter | aaah... which key would that be? |
| 20:58.47 | rooter | ahh.. thanks |
| 20:58.57 | rooter | how do you change the hunted? |
| 20:59.07 | Grumbler | aim at someone else hit u |
| 20:59.14 | rooter | thanks |
| 20:59.34 | Grumbler | and maybe u again, one hit to unselect the previous, one to select the one you are pointing at |
| 21:00.10 | rooter | i'm not up on all the new features yet |
| 21:00.36 | shkoo | i couldn't shoot after i hit "u". |
| 21:00.58 | Grumbler | y |
| 21:01.24 | larsl_food | Hehe, december last year had almost twice as many bug reports as any earlier month. |
| 21:01.32 | rooter | are the new features listed in the man pages? |
| 21:01.35 | CIA-2 | 03brlcad * 10bzflag/TODO: add ability to publish a single server to multiple list servers. Useful for testing/development, among other reasons. |
| 21:01.36 | Grumbler | what type server were you on shkoo |
| 21:02.29 | rooter | i guess i could look... but americans are lazy |
| 21:02.55 | Chestal | brlcad: wasn't that a feature that we just recently removed? |
| 21:03.20 | Grumbler | brlcad is not here man |
| 21:03.35 | Grumbler | unless he is lurking again |
| 21:04.50 | Chestal | hmm, my gl context tracking hack seems too much of a hassle |
| 21:05.43 | Patlabor221 | have you tried it with tupone's last fix? |
| 21:05.56 | Patlabor221 | it worked for me on both windows systems |
| 21:06.06 | Chestal | yes, the ground thing is gone |
| 21:06.16 | Chestal | but that's more or less random |
| 21:06.27 | Chestal | maybe we could stick to it for now and just pray |
| 21:06.29 | Patlabor221 | wasn't random for me |
| 21:06.42 | Patlabor221 | I could dup it in 2 alt tabs every time |
| 21:06.42 | Chestal | but that it works is coincidence |
| 21:06.49 | Patlabor221 | I don't think so |
| 21:06.54 | Patlabor221 | cus it used to work |
| 21:06.56 | Chestal | but I know |
| 21:06.58 | Patlabor221 | and someone changed something |
| 21:07.01 | Chestal | it has always been wrong |
| 21:07.02 | Patlabor221 | but yes the context thing is funky |
| 21:07.10 | Chestal | unless there was something really, really dfferent |
| 21:07.18 | Patlabor221 | tho on windows we destroy and recreate the DC and context |
| 21:07.21 | Chestal | I was trying to make it context awaere |
| 21:07.28 | Chestal | but to do it right, it needs a major redesign |
| 21:07.49 | Chestal | the current code simply does not delete some of the lists anymore |
| 21:07.52 | Patlabor221 | that is soo true about many many things :) |
| 21:07.56 | Chestal | so it might be lucky |
| 21:07.59 | brlcad | Chestal: not exactly |
| 21:08.13 | brlcad | at least, not that I"m aware of |
| 21:08.13 | Chestal | Patlabor: yes, but soem thigns are only ugly or bad to extend, this is simply wrong |
| 21:08.24 | brlcad | multiple -publiclist options is what I'm needing |
| 21:08.26 | Chestal | brlcad: we had a list of list servers in bzfs |
| 21:08.32 | Chestal | brlcad: that was removed some weeks ago |
| 21:08.40 | brlcad | but that was a url that returned a list |
| 21:08.51 | Chestal | well, ok |
| 21:08.57 | brlcad | i want to say, publish here and here |
| 21:08.59 | Chestal | it awasn't possibl eto sepcify them on the command line |
| 21:09.02 | Chestal | but internally, it was there |
| 21:09.20 | Chestal | you'd have to activate this code again and in addition add new command line parsing |
| 21:09.27 | brlcad | yep |
| 21:09.48 | brlcad | i noticed, i just put the todo as a mental note reminder to self |
| 21:09.52 | Chestal | Patlabor: remember the good old 'half anks' bug? |
| 21:09.56 | Chestal | tanks, even |
| 21:09.58 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 21:10.03 | Patlabor221 | those are lost lists, I know |
| 21:10.10 | Chestal | yes, it'S the same bug |
| 21:10.14 | Patlabor221 | I don't like how tanks are drawn at all |
| 21:10.14 | Chestal | same reason, I am pretty sure |
| 21:10.18 | Patlabor221 | it should be totaly redone |
| 21:10.22 | Patlabor221 | too many lists |
| 21:10.28 | Patlabor221 | when simple scale will do |
| 21:10.37 | Patlabor221 | ohh I'm sure your right |
| 21:11.08 | Chestal | we must agree whether we need more than one context |
| 21:11.15 | Chestal | the rest depends n that design decision |
| 21:11.15 | Patlabor221 | tho we have to take the tanks out of lists to do some of the slick stuff people want |
| 21:11.22 | Patlabor221 | like animated treads and stuff |
| 21:11.38 | Patlabor221 | too bad there is no tank damage, or could do deformations |
| 21:11.42 | Grumbler | it would be cool if a stealth tank left tracks |
| 21:11.53 | Patlabor221 | decals would not be that hard |
| 21:13.13 | Patlabor221 | tho all of the cool things need a more robust texture manager |
| 21:15.17 | Chestal | do we really need to support 3dfx and riva128 anymore? there's also some switches for opengl 1.0 and 1.1 in there |
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| 21:17.39 | Patlabor221 | I say no, but Tim didn't seem to agree |
| 21:17.57 | Patlabor221 | I don't think his old Irix has gl 1.1, still 1.0 |
| 21:18.02 | Chestal | those peopel can always use software rendering .-) |
| 21:18.15 | Patlabor221 | no not really, they use what ever there driver installs |
| 21:18.16 | Chestal | ok, that doesn't solve the 1.0/1.1 problem |
| 21:18.28 | Chestal | shoudl let them switch |
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| 21:18.37 | Patlabor221 | we don't have a software rending system |
| 21:18.39 | Chestal | at least on Linux I can switch |
| 21:18.43 | Patlabor221 | there is no swich we could hook up on windows |
| 21:18.47 | Patlabor221 | only one GL is loaded |
| 21:18.49 | Chestal | so I blame their OS |
| 21:18.50 | Patlabor221 | ever |
| 21:19.05 | Patlabor221 | could write up a true software engine |
| 21:19.52 | Chestal | hmm, there's one more hackish way I could get the context sensitivity in |
| 21:20.10 | Patlabor221 | or swich to an engine that does both |
| 21:21.42 | Chestal | I still wonder why I do not see burrowed tanks |
| 21:21.49 | Chestal | I kinda refuse to believe that mesa is broken |
| 21:21.57 | Chestal | seems to work for other people |
| 21:22.44 | david_v | works for me at least :) |
| 21:23.31 | Chestal | where is the clipping or whatever it is called done? |
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| 21:24.04 | Chestal | ah, found it |
| 21:36.24 | brlcad | larsl: no.. still need TODO -- tasks, to me, are much bigger ideas that need more explaining/discussion/planning, etc -- the TODO is still useful as an idea scratchpad of sorts, living document |
| 21:36.58 | Chestal | BUGS also only exists because the web interface for the bug repos. is too unwieldy |
| 21:38.08 | brlcad | it's also a scratchpad too -- it's the bugs that we find and are very often very short lived |
| 21:38.34 | brlcad | both serve a good purpose |
| 21:40.34 | Chestal | if web interfaces wouldn't suck so much, they could be sufficient |
| 21:41.47 | brlcad | that too |
| 21:42.25 | bryjen | the ones that take (infinity - 1 sec) to process |
| 21:44.18 | Chestal | hmm, this initCOntext() stuff is even more messed up than I thought |
| 21:45.11 | Chestal | this has obviously been created with the assumption, that the ids returned by glGenList are unique across different contexts and that glDelete works cross-context, too |
| 21:45.27 | brlcad | the more you look, the less you want to see |
| 21:46.05 | Chestal | there's a comment in OpenGLGState::initContext which says that this is a place to register functions which free lists |
| 21:46.19 | Chestal | but at least on X, initcontext is called when the old context is already gone |
| 21:46.50 | Chestal | ok, sometimes it's calles without a contetx chage takign place at all |
| 21:47.03 | Chestal | those calls could work |
| 21:47.23 | Chestal | but the others simply cannot, in best case they will do nothing, in worst case they will delete some random list |
| 21:47.37 | Chestal | brlcad: if it would work, I coudl explain, but it doesn't |
| 21:47.56 | brlcad | i mean once you fix it, of course :) |
| 21:47.58 | Chestal | I hereby propose to rip out src/ogl and src/platform and src/geomtry :-) |
| 21:48.47 | bryjen | ~seen Patlabor221 |
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| 21:48.50 | brlcad | I'd second that vote |
| 21:51.28 | bryjen | and what has he done with the real Chestal ? ;) |
| 21:52.05 | brlcad | shkoo: *ping* |
| 21:52.22 | brlcad | shkoo: you forgot to attach the patch |
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| 21:58.04 | Chestal | shouldn't TextureManager.h be in src/bzflag instead of include? |
| 21:58.15 | shkoo | uh |
| 21:58.18 | shkoo | did it not show up? |
| 21:58.22 | brlcad | niet |
| 21:58.34 | shkoo | oh, i must have forgotten the checkbox. i know i selected the file. :) |
| 21:58.53 | brlcad | Chestal: the cxx was (and should be) in libglkit |
| 21:59.01 | brlcad | er src/ogl |
| 21:59.58 | shkoo | there we go. |
| 22:00.24 | Chestal | brlcaD: that's debatable, it contains thigns specific to the bzflag client |
| 22:00.35 | Chestal | like TX_THIEF etc. |
| 22:01.25 | brlcad | right.. that's why it was moved -- needs to be made a little more general |
| 22:01.59 | brlcad | we need a generic texture manager, and perhaps some libgame default textures, etc |
| 22:02.34 | Chestal | depends, on what a texture manager is supposed to do |
| 22:02.48 | brlcad | manage textures? :) |
| 22:03.00 | Chestal | there's also the texture class which does the handlign of the gl resources I suppose |
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| 22:06.41 | Pimpinella | g'nite |
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| 22:09.26 | CIA-2 | 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/bzadmin/CursesUI.cxx: applied shkoo's sf patch 871946 that improves bzadmins redrawing so that the display isn't cleared every keystroke -- also adds support for a clear command (ctrl-l). |
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| 22:10.02 | kunphuzil | is there a bzedit for linux? |
| 22:10.51 | Patlabor221 | there is |
| 22:11.07 | Patlabor221 | bryjen, what is up? |
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| 22:16.19 | bryjen | Patlabor221: nada. a very small joke |
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| 22:26.54 | Tupone | brlcad: hi |
| 22:27.01 | brlcad | hey |
| 22:27.31 | Tupone | my mood is down. football team as lost :( |
| 22:27.40 | brlcad | :( |
| 22:27.56 | brlcad | at least you have one that people pay attention to |
| 22:28.43 | brlcad | what was score? |
| 22:28.49 | Tupone | Roma is magic - but still lost |
| 22:28.58 | Tupone | 2 - 1 against Milan |
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| 22:29.05 | brlcad | ah |
| 22:29.11 | nikt | Hi. |
| 22:29.20 | brlcad | not too bad then |
| 22:29.21 | Tupone | the ukrain man sign both |
| 22:29.36 | Tupone | too strong |
| 22:32.06 | kunphuzil | I can't seem to find bzedit on sourceforge |
| 22:32.26 | larsl | I don't think it's packaged on SF. It's in CVS though. |
| 22:32.56 | kunphuzil | ah ok |
| 22:34.04 | larsl | There are tarballs somewhere else, but I don't remember where. |
| 22:34.07 | larsl | ~bzedit |
| 22:34.11 | | it has been said that bzedit is http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/code/bzedit-2.1.tar.gz on linux http://www.artemisgames.com/bzedit for windows |
| 22:34.11 | brlcad | there are bzedit and a bzeditw32 modules in cvs |
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| 22:36.06 | kunphuzil | thanks |
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| 22:50.56 | CIA-2 | 03brlcad * 10bzflag/TODO: insult monger |
| 22:51.28 | larsl | ? |
| 22:55.26 | Tupone | brlcad: can we remove TODO & BUGS ? |
| 22:55.26 | CIA-2 | 03brlcad * 10bzflag/BUGS: aggressive filter needs to handle apostrophe's and suffixes better |
| 22:55.41 | brlcad | Hrmmm? |
| 22:55.45 | brlcad | remove them?? |
| 22:55.54 | brlcad | i wouldn't |
| 22:56.02 | Tupone | the way we are handling bugs is 10 years old :) |
| 22:56.21 | Tupone | and for TODO we have the Task :) |
| 22:56.26 | brlcad | to me, BUGS and sf do two different things |
| 22:56.35 | brlcad | same for TODO |
| 22:56.45 | brlcad | ah.. you were gone earlier |
| 22:57.29 | Chestal | Tupone: that's because the odl way was better :-) |
| 22:57.40 | Chestal | Tupone: as I said earlier, all web interfaces suck |
| 22:58.05 | Chestal | they might be ok when it takes me 10 minutes to write th ebug description anyway |
| 22:58.06 | Tupone | bugzilla, gnats, SF ... |
| 22:58.17 | Chestal | but for a quick bug it takes 98% of the time to handle the silly web interface |
| 22:58.32 | Chestal | from a user point of view, bugzilla is extremely confusing to me |
| 22:58.52 | Chestal | informaton overload, bad layout etc. |
| 22:58.56 | Chestal | and it's all so slooooow |
| 22:59.07 | Tupone | when one raise a BUG |
| 22:59.17 | Tupone | sry? hit return |
| 22:59.39 | brlcad | to me, the TODO and BUGS files are for simple items that may be short lived. The sf bug tracker is too much (imo) for many bugs that will only last a day or two or less -- it's a great public face to the reported/investigated bugs, though. The task tracker is good for tasks that require a lot of discussion/collaboration/explanation/etc. |
| 23:00.30 | brlcad | The sf side is great for external users too -- so they can contribute. The files are more immediate. Two different needs. |
| 23:01.10 | Chestal | web interfacea are like guis from 20 years ago (and most of the time worse) |
| 23:01.10 | Tupone | I would say we need to know who raise the bug, who is looking at, who ask if it is fixed. We could put this info in BUGS if you don't like Web |
| 23:01.10 | Chestal | I agree with brlcad, that BUGS is for short-lived things |
| 23:01.10 | Chestal | if BUGS stay there for liek 2 months or so, someone should move them over to the tracker |
| 23:01.39 | Chestal | are erros with no symptons, bugs, too? |
| 23:01.44 | Nidhoggr | are bugs dated in the BUGS file? |
| 23:01.56 | Nidhoggr | i could add to tracker if they are more than a week or so old. |
| 23:01.58 | Chestal | liek the current all-messed up gl which miraculously works most of the time |
| 23:02.01 | Nidhoggr | just keep it up |
| 23:02.08 | brlcad | they are historically ordered, and there are cvs commit dates -- so in a way yes, Nidhoggr |
| 23:02.32 | Nidhoggr | if you guys like, I'd do that every few days or once a week. |
| 23:02.35 | brlcad | Chestal: there are bugs on sf for the graphics problems already :) |
| 23:02.48 | Chestal | brlcad: but only for some symptoms |
| 23:03.01 | brlcad | true |
| 23:03.10 | Chestal | and these might go away, but the bug stays |
| 23:03.43 | Chestal | can you tell that I am dissatisfied with the gl handling? :-) |
| 23:03.52 | Chestal | wish I'd never taken a look into that abyss |
| 23:03.55 | brlcad | not at all -- try harder :) |
| 23:04.19 | Chestal | at least I understand most of it now |
| 23:04.25 | Chestal | except for the txture class, haven't looked at that |
| 23:04.31 | brlcad | i've already forgotten what it was you were trying to fix :) |
| 23:07.01 | Tupone | Chestal: as the change video resolution format has, by myracle, disappeared, should we move that info in the general gl messing things? |
| 23:07.23 | Chestal | Tupone: cannot hurt, I found more messiness, though :-) |
| 23:07.43 | Nidhoggr | knightmare is screwing with the listserver again. |
| 23:08.13 | Tupone | someone can connect to brlcad server, to see if my fix works? |
| 23:08.26 | Tupone | not learner! |
| 23:08.53 | Nidhoggr | what's URL for listserver again? |
| 23:09.11 | Tupone | brlcad server is http://db.brlcad.org/db/ |
| 23:09.18 | Nidhoggr | trying to get tim's. |
| 23:09.22 | Nidhoggr | it's the one that's broke. |
| 23:10.31 | Tupone | We should allow also connection from private address :/ |
| 23:10.33 | brlcad | it's responding to me, what's the problem? |
| 23:10.55 | Tupone | brlcad: your list server? |
| 23:11.07 | brlcad | well, both "respond" |
| 23:11.25 | Tupone | I put a check to disable add from an address different then the server |
| 23:11.43 | Tupone | I can rephrase :) |
| 23:12.00 | Nidhoggr | it's hacked again. |
| 23:12.07 | Nidhoggr | knightmare is changing server text |
| 23:12.25 | shkoo | is the source for the list server on sourceforge? |
| 23:12.50 | brlcad | yes |
| 23:13.09 | brlcad | shkoo: http://brlcad.org/bzflag/cvs/misc/bzflsMy.php |
| 23:13.24 | brlcad | er, heh |
| 23:13.34 | brlcad | never mind .. ;) server's trying to run it :) |
| 23:13.49 | shkoo | aha, ok. thanks. |
| 23:13.53 | brlcad | it's in misc/ |
| 23:14.12 | Nidhoggr | bzflag.secretplace.us:5255 BZFS1910 024a00050000001e0000000000000a0a0a000000000 |
| 23:14.12 | Nidhoggr | 000000001c8 69.28.129.162 nidhoggr and scipio now playing, with theirselves.... |
| 23:14.17 | Nidhoggr | thank you knightmare |
| 23:14.20 | Nidhoggr | you are a king of comedy |
| 23:14.35 | brlcad | you have elves? |
| 23:15.02 | brlcad | do they code for you? :) |
| 23:16.29 | brlcad | Tupone: i don't see my test server on my list server... |
| 23:16.49 | Tupone | yeah, cause you request with 192.168.x.x |
| 23:17.03 | Nidhoggr | shkoo is our elf. |
| 23:17.05 | Tupone | try to pu a publicaddr like that |
| 23:17.06 | brlcad | can't that be exception checked? |
| 23:17.10 | Nidhoggr | he's not a good elf, but he's a great coder. ;) |
| 23:17.12 | brlcad | it's using publicaddr |
| 23:17.25 | brlcad | it needs publicaddr |
| 23:17.26 | Tupone | I say: We should allow also connection from private address :/ |
| 23:18.11 | Nidhoggr | private address? |
| 23:18.23 | Tupone | brlcad: I forgot the path? |
| 23:18.37 | Tupone | like 192.168.x.x or 10.x.x.x |
| 23:18.41 | brlcad | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:19.14 | Tupone | so the one running the listserver can also have some bzfs in the private network (natted) |
| 23:19.20 | brlcad | could just ignore or provide exemption for those addresses since they are likely local unless spoofed |
| 23:21.12 | Tupone | Yeah, we should put in, but I want to see a server connecting to it before going further |
| 23:21.54 | Chestal | list server could maybe remember ip for bzfs which did the inital add and compare that on future adds? |
| 23:22.10 | Chestal | does it drop servers after it hasn't heard from them for some time? |
| 23:22.12 | shkoo | or compare it against the public name... |
| 23:22.34 | Tupone | server are dropped after a while |
| 23:26.48 | brlcad | Chestal: it would probably do well to pass a token back to the server that gets used for updates, in addition to checking the ip -- that way not only would they need to spoof the IP, but they'd need to intercept traffic too. |
| 23:27.06 | Chestal | checking the IP should be well sufficient |
| 23:27.08 | Tupone | brlcad: want you try to remove my bzfs from listserver (with browser) |
| 23:27.47 | brlcad | Tupone: ches has a point.. could just record the ip of the add and compare that on updates instead of needing to see if they match the publicaddr |
| 23:27.56 | Chestal | the amount of effort needed to to IP spoofing for tcp is at least 8 order of magnitude larger than the worth of foolign with the list server :-) |
| 23:28.04 | brlcad | syntax, tupone? |
| 23:29.53 | Tupone | ?action=REMOVE&nameport=82.84.120.217:5154 |
| 23:30.14 | Tupone | should work (I hope) |
| 23:30.14 | brlcad | i was close |
| 23:30.55 | brlcad | tried it -- still there |
| 23:31.05 | Tupone | no error? |
| 23:31.12 | brlcad | blank page |
| 23:31.28 | Tupone | :( I should put something |
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| 23:31.34 | Tupone | but it work |
| 23:31.48 | brlcad | have it spool /dev/random ;) |
| 23:33.09 | larsl | But if the list server remembered the first IP to add a certain publicaddr, what would happen with a server that was using a dynamic IP and needed to reboot? |
| 23:33.28 | larsl | Would it have to wait a while before it was allowed to add the server from the new IP? |
| 23:34.26 | Chestal | well, normally the server is supposed to remove itself before it goes down, if it cannot, yes, the timeout would have to pass |
| 23:35.08 | Chestal | how long is the interval in bzfs for adding again? |
| 23:35.46 | Tupone | 1800 |
| 23:35.57 | Chestal | hmm, quite long |
| 23:36.37 | Tupone | is there some bzfs on Tim listserver private network? |
| 23:37.23 | *** join/#bzflag G`othic (~hh@h24-80-192-48.va.shawcable.net) |
| 23:37.29 | G`othic | hello |
| 23:37.36 | G`othic | quick question |
| 23:37.56 | G`othic | bzfs 1.10.2 conf file. How do I mod the gravity? |
| 23:38.30 | larsl | G`othic: You need another file for that. |
| 23:38.43 | G`othic | can you explain ? |
| 23:39.00 | larsl | Add the line 'vars myVars' and add 'set _gravity -5.0' (or something) to the file myVars. |
| 23:39.16 | G`othic | understood.. very kewl thank you |
| 23:39.22 | brlcad | -vars myVars is a bzfs option ;) |
| 23:39.24 | larsl | '-vars myVars', I mean. |
| 23:39.42 | brlcad | :D |
| 23:39.49 | G`othic | thank you very much |
| 23:39.56 | G`othic | what other options can myVars hold? |
| 23:40.00 | G`othic | is tehre a doc i can read? |
| 23:40.03 | G`othic | there* |
| 23:40.11 | brlcad | it can hold any of the vars that are listed when you do /set |
| 23:40.23 | Tupone | brlcad: bzflsMy.php seems to work, is better then before if no bzfs server is on some private listserver network |
| 23:40.26 | brlcad | they are mostly undocumented other than by rtfs'ing |
| 23:40.28 | Chestal | not all of those are really meant to be changed, though |
| 23:40.29 | G`othic | I don't knowe all the /set options :-( |
| 23:40.49 | brlcad | G`othic: just identify to the server and issue "/set" |
| 23:40.59 | brlcad | it'll give you a nice long list of them |
| 23:41.03 | Chestal | the more popular ones include _tankSpeed, _shotSpeed etc. |
| 23:41.37 | G`othic | you can dcc send them to me |
| 23:41.57 | G`othic | i w9uld be ever greatful |
| 23:42.14 | larsl | Hang on... |
| 23:42.30 | G`othic | there is a space between /set and _command ? |
| 23:42.31 | Chestal | gothic: you can just connect any server and do /set |
| 23:42.43 | G`othic | they all fly by all i see is the last ten or so |
| 23:42.45 | Chestal | you do not have to be admin to just look at them |
| 23:43.07 | G`othic | im running my own server here i been trying to figure this out for a couple a days now lol |
| 23:43.14 | Chestal | bzflag -echoClean |
| 23:43.15 | brlcad | you can scroll up and down with the page up/down keys |
| 23:43.21 | G`othic | ahh very good thanks |
| 23:43.33 | brlcad | or use the bzadmin client |
| 23:43.38 | G`othic | indeed |
| 23:43.47 | G`othic | thanks so much for your help folks.. |
| 23:43.47 | brlcad | then you'd have a dump already written to text |
| 23:44.27 | G`othic | ahh could one redirect the output from stdout to txt also like /set > text.file |
| 23:44.50 | G`othic | ? |
| 23:44.52 | Chestal | bzflag -echoClean > text.file |
| 23:45.07 | G`othic | thanks |
| 23:45.07 | *** part/#bzflag Tupone (~Tupone@ppp-82-84-120-217.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) |
| 23:46.32 | shkoo | there we go. :) |
| 23:49.09 | G`othic | ok im a little lost now I did bzflag -echoClean > text.file and i only see what one would see when they initially start the game.. nothing else |
| 23:49.25 | larsl | G`othic: You need to connect to a server and type '/set'. |
| 23:49.33 | shkoo | although i have to admit that's a bit draconian... |
| 23:49.33 | G`othic | then? |
| 23:49.42 | brlcad | then quit the game a read the text.file |
| 23:50.02 | brlcad | s/a read/and read/ |
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| 23:50.04 | G`othic | ohhh my bad.. it writes to the file as i an using the game |
| 23:50.08 | larsl | -echoClean just prints the server messages to standard out. If you see the variable list in the game window it will be in the text file too. |
| 23:50.18 | G`othic | understood |
| 23:50.21 | G`othic | thank you |
| 23:53.05 | Oman | You can dowload my Gm patch at http://pws.chartermi.net/~ffemtdd/ |
| 23:53.19 | G`othic | ok thank you again...bye for now |
| 23:55.20 | larsl | shkoo: What do you think about changing your patch for "Added option to require /identify for registered callsigns" to use a permission for spawning instead of checking if the player is identified? |
| 23:55.33 | Oman | ~spell actual |
| 23:55.34 | | 'actual' may be spelled correctly |
| 23:55.40 | Oman | sorry |
| 23:55.54 | Oman | I bot dosen't work right in a pricate con for some rease |
| 23:56.17 | larsl | The "-requireIdentify" option could still be used as a shortcut for removing the SPAWN permission from the unregistered group. |
| 23:56.29 | Chestal | Oman: drop the ~ in a private conversation |
| 23:57.03 | shkoo | larsl: hmm. |
| 23:57.30 | shkoo | larsl: i guess i could do that. if i did would someone commit it? :) |
| 23:57.59 | larsl | It's been discussed before, I think most people are OK with it. I could commit it. |
| 23:58.05 | shkoo | ok |
