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| 02:21.08 | Quol | anyone listening? |
| 02:22.19 | |tim| | 0.0 |
| 02:22.49 | Quol | hey there |tim| |
| 02:22.52 | Quol | how are ay? |
| 02:22.55 | Quol | ya? |
| 02:23.25 | |tim| | Good and you? |
| 02:23.39 | Quol | not bad thanks |
| 02:24.07 | |tim| | Havin' a good Christmas Eve? |
| 02:24.09 | Quol | just getting ready for tomorrow - about to become Santa and place all the presents under the tree :) |
| 02:25.47 | Quol | anyways - merry christmas to you all - have a good holiday (if any of you are taking any time off that is :) |
| 02:25.51 | Quol | see ya |
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| 03:41.47 | Blue_Beard | Hmm. |
| 03:42.06 | Blue_Beard | Why exactly does it say I'm "*~Spiff@*.client.insightBB.com"?? |
| 03:43.16 | Sasami | cus that is your hostname |
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| 04:10.12 | shkoo | eek |
| 04:10.24 | shkoo | WorldInfo::inBuilding scares me. |
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| 04:33.34 | Sasami | bald tired + water = fall down |
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| 05:05.36 | fhffhqvb | what's the above-ground height of a burrowed tank? |
| 05:06.18 | MrApathyCream | it's at -muzzleheight |
| 05:06.30 | MrApathyCream | so tankheight - muzzleheight |
| 05:07.24 | fhffhqvb | hm what's the variable for muzzleheight |
| 05:08.21 | fhffhqvb | static const std::string BZDB_MUZZLEHEIGHT; |
| 05:09.41 | fhffhqvb | hmm you'd expect variables to be defined in global.h, not playing.cxx? |
| 05:11.18 | MrApathyCream | it's configurable now |
| 05:11.33 | fhffhqvb | really? why? |
| 05:11.47 | MrApathyCream | StateDatabase.h |
| 05:11.49 | fhffhqvb | do the graphics shrink/expand if you change the height? |
| 05:11.53 | MrApathyCream | most of the vars are configurable |
| 05:11.59 | MrApathyCream | yes |
| 05:12.09 | MrApathyCream | global.cxx |
| 05:12.16 | MrApathyCream | muzzleheight is 1.57 |
| 05:12.17 | fhffhqvb | well that's an improvement on 1.7 then. no more skinny cheats? |
| 05:12.42 | MrApathyCream | well. you can still cheat |
| 05:13.02 | MrApathyCream | the server doesn't know all the state |
| 05:14.09 | fhffhqvb | oh yeah. when you have 2 players with shockwave, one on the ground and the other at altitude 10 and they both fire at the same time, how can one survive? |
| 05:14.48 | MrApathyCream | sw lags behind movement thats the key |
| 05:15.06 | MrApathyCream | so in sw v. sw, it's best to back up and 'fire' |
| 05:15.58 | fhffhqvb | and another thing i noticed... when you catch the burrow flag on a building, it obviously doesn't burrow until you land on ground. Still, the tankheight should be full until you burrow, right? i was unable to hit a tank with burrow flag on a building |
| 05:16.34 | MrApathyCream | hmmm odd, will have to check |
| 05:16.45 | MrApathyCream | i would think that wouldn't be a problem, but ok |
| 05:17.04 | MrApathyCream | yes your assumptions are correct |
| 05:17.47 | fhffhqvb | k... |
| 05:18.03 | fhffhqvb | i guess there's already cheaters out there for real then |
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| 05:20.21 | fhffhqvb | ok i can't find tankheight, but i thought it was either 2.7 or 2.8 |
| 05:20.52 | MrApathyCream | 2.05 |
| 05:20.56 | fhffhqvb | i'm trying to make a map with burrow-only accessible areas |
| 05:21.02 | MrApathyCream | global.cxx |
| 05:21.17 | fhffhqvb | hmm.. is that the same as in 1.7? |
| 05:21.52 | MrApathyCream | think so |
| 05:25.46 | fhffhqvb | bzfs seems to lock up half the time on my very simple map... |
| 05:26.25 | MrApathyCream | just the 1 map? |
| 05:27.05 | fhffhqvb | well, 1.7 used to do that with pyramids that were too large |
| 05:27.07 | MrApathyCream | using -sb? |
| 05:27.38 | fhffhqvb | lemmesee. |
| 05:27.56 | fhffhqvb | -fb? |
| 05:28.25 | MrApathyCream | sb |
| 05:28.40 | MrApathyCream | spawn on buildings |
| 05:29.00 | MrApathyCream | prob with 110.0 |
| 05:29.05 | fhffhqvb | nope, don't have -sb in there |
| 05:29.20 | MrApathyCream | k |
| 05:29.54 | fhffhqvb | BZFlag server 1.10.0.20031209-RELEASE-linux-gnu (protocol 1910) http://BZFlag.org/ |
| 05:30.20 | MrApathyCream | should upgrade 2 1.10.2 |
| 05:30.53 | fhffhqvb | well it's only just in unstable and i'm running testing |
| 05:31.19 | fhffhqvb | bzflag-server_1.10.2.20031223_i386.deb 232 KB 12/23/2003 22:02:00 |
| 05:31.43 | fhffhqvb | i think i can manually dpkg -i it if the dependencies are the same.. |
| 05:32.32 | MrApathyCream | shrug -winguy here |
| 05:33.19 | fhffhqvb | i wonder if this version will let me on the listserver :-| |
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| 05:41.42 | fhffhqvb | i'm going to have to block 62.146.217.250 at my firewall. |
| 05:42.04 | fhffhqvb | i don't know who 'server24.greaternet.de' is, but polling my server at that frequency is annoying |
| 05:53.54 | fhffhqvb | i can go under a 1.56 height box with burrow but i can't go under a 2.05 box without..... |
| 05:54.38 | MrApathyCream | hmm |
| 05:54.41 | MrApathyCream | my apologies |
| 05:54.42 | MrApathyCream | { "_burrowDepth","-1.32",false, StateDatabase::Locked}, |
| 05:54.48 | MrApathyCream | so 2.05 - 1.32 |
| 05:54.55 | fhffhqvb | ah |
| 06:04.22 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 06:04.38 | fhffhqvb | ok, grep has a recursive param appearently.... |
| 06:14.52 | Pimpinella | merry christmas |
| 06:15.08 | fhffhqvb | i still can't find the range of steamroller |
| 06:21.07 | fhffhqvb | ok everything is typed out in full but steamrollerradius is shortened to srradiusmult :-P |
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| 06:33.35 | KR | Mele kalikimaka |
| 06:34.27 | Pimpinella | if i set _reloadTime to 10 seconds the shots will also last for 10 seconds. is there a way to shorten the shotlength? |
| 06:35.02 | Noodleman | Pimpinella: i seem to remember a _shotAdLife |
| 06:35.07 | Noodleman | see if there is one |
| 06:35.16 | Noodleman | i don't quite remember |
| 06:37.00 | Pimpinella | Noodleman: no, it was _shockAdLife :( |
| 06:42.38 | proton_lord | umm |
| 06:42.44 | proton_lord | irc client inside the client? :P |
| 06:46.19 | scanline | hah |
| 06:53.16 | MrApathyCream | there is an unholy relationship between shotlength and reloadtime unfortunately |
| 06:53.53 | proton_lord | all the shot stuff bothers me |
| 06:54.06 | proton_lord | somehow speed/length/time/reload are all interconnected |
| 07:11.37 | MrApathyCream | yes |
| 07:11.50 | MrApathyCream | s/b fixed by an enterprising master of the raster |
| 07:20.44 | fhffhqvb | meh. it crashes every time now. |
| 07:22.44 | fhffhqvb | seems it doesn't like -f BAD |
| 07:23.19 | Nidhoggr | what is flag code for "Useless"? |
| 07:23.37 | proton_lord | US |
| 07:23.46 | fhffhqvb | seems appropriate |
| 07:23.50 | proton_lord | :) |
| 07:23.58 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 07:24.17 | proton_lord | political interpretations are neither intended nor officially endorsed ;) |
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| 07:25.16 | fhffhqvb | math makes brain hurt. |
| 07:25.39 | fhffhqvb | if burrowdepth is 0.73 and muzzleheight is 1.57... what height are burrowed bullets at |
| 07:26.09 | fhffhqvb | underground? |
| 07:26.27 | fhffhqvb | or 0.48 above |
| 07:26.33 | proton_lord | 0.48 above |
| 07:26.44 | exu | where is a good site to download maps? |
| 07:26.47 | fhffhqvb | i'm making a burrowhappy map |
| 07:27.23 | exu | thats is good |
| 07:27.29 | exu | oops ww |
| 07:28.06 | fhffhqvb | ah crap it crashed again |
| 07:30.36 | fhffhqvb | i think i'll call it claustrophobia or something. |
| 07:38.16 | fhffhqvb | weird. i have a box with Z 0 height 8.73 and a box next to it with Z 4 height 4.73, you'd think they'd be the same height |
| 07:38.57 | proton_lord | only X and Y lengths are symmetric |
| 07:39.02 | proton_lord | Z is raw height |
| 07:39.30 | fhffhqvb | so....? |
| 07:39.52 | proton_lord | so a box of height 8.73 is 8.73 units high |
| 07:40.14 | proton_lord | while a box of length 8.73 is actually 17.46 wide |
| 07:41.06 | fhffhqvb | they look the same height |
| 07:41.54 | scanline | you mean the boxes are the same height, or that the tops of them are the same height above ground? |
| 07:42.12 | fhffhqvb | the last one |
| 07:42.27 | proton_lord | ...are they not? |
| 07:44.17 | fhffhqvb | if i make the other one 8.74 my tank can drive over it but you see a line |
| 07:44.24 | fhffhqvb | maybe it doesn't like odd numbers |
| 07:45.19 | scanline | nah, it only likes numbers that are factors of primes |
| 07:45.45 | proton_lord | that are themselves primes |
| 07:45.52 | scanline | well duh |
| 07:47.40 | fhffhqvb | i changed them to .74 and now they *are* even. |
| 07:47.44 | fhffhqvb | ... |
| 07:55.55 | MrApathyCream | people are just too stupid to vote, i have concluded |
| 07:56.11 | fhffhqvb | it took you that long since bush? |
| 07:56.20 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 08:07.13 | MrApathyCream | wow i find myself a moderator on jeff's board. 'Gruff but loveable' like me :) |
| 08:25.38 | MrApathyCream | boy it sure is quiet around here, you'd think it was christmas or something |
| 09:01.14 | |tim| | Its Christmas, Its Christmas |
| 09:01.28 | fhffhqvb | yes, christmas. |
| 09:01.41 | |tim| | well your so excited |
| 09:01.41 | fhffhqvb | when you're all passed out from the turkey binge, i'll steal your stuff. |
| 09:01.52 | |tim| | turkey? |
| 09:01.56 | |tim| | why turkey |
| 09:02.08 | fhffhqvb | because it has triptophan |
| 09:02.08 | |tim| | Cresent rolls are a lot better |
| 09:02.15 | |tim| | or |
| 09:02.21 | |tim| | Cresont |
| 09:02.37 | fhffhqvb | you'll be too fatbellied to walk anyway |
| 09:02.52 | |tim| | If I eat... |
| 09:03.00 | fhffhqvb | well except the people who have tofurkey..... |
| 09:03.06 | |tim| | whats that? |
| 09:03.07 | fhffhqvb | they'll just throw up afterwards |
| 09:03.11 | |tim| | lol |
| 09:03.12 | fhffhqvb | tofu shaped like a turkey |
| 09:03.17 | |tim| | eww |
| 09:03.24 | |tim| | I don't even need to eat that |
| 09:04.05 | fhffhqvb | probably gives you the runs too |
| 09:04.21 | |tim| | Ok... I think we need to change subject on food here |
| 09:04.29 | fhffhqvb | tofu is food? |
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| 09:05.07 | fhffhqvb | i think i'll make vefurkey |
| 09:05.15 | fhffhqvb | cruelly slaughtered veal shaped like a turkey |
| 09:05.40 | |tim| | yeah... |
| 09:05.50 | fhffhqvb | or wtfurkey, which is just an empty papier-mache shell |
| 09:06.00 | |tim| | lol |
| 09:07.35 | fhffhqvb | someone put up a 10 foot inflatable snowman in their front yard |
| 09:07.43 | fhffhqvb | think i could get them declared insane? |
| 09:10.04 | |tim| | lol |
| 09:10.21 | fhffhqvb | it frightens the kids |
| 09:10.31 | |tim| | so they didn't poke it? |
| 09:10.37 | fhffhqvb | not yet |
| 09:10.43 | |tim| | I'd like to see that thing go boom |
| 09:10.57 | fhffhqvb | there's a light inside it too |
| 09:11.05 | fhffhqvb | it's probably catch fire if deflated with the light on |
| 09:11.57 | |tim| | lol |
| 09:14.44 | |tim| | whats holding it up |
| 09:14.45 | |tim| | ? |
| 09:14.56 | fhffhqvb | air? |
| 09:15.02 | |tim| | but i mean |
| 09:15.07 | |tim| | no ropes to keep it down? |
| 09:15.10 | |tim| | or straight |
| 09:15.18 | fhffhqvb | maybe it has an internal wireframe |
| 09:15.23 | |tim| | oh |
| 09:16.18 | fhffhqvb | i wonder who sells this sort of crap |
| 09:16.29 | fhffhqvb | or who manufactures it |
| 09:16.49 | fhffhqvb | probably the people who make dancing santas and billy bigmouth bass |
| 09:16.51 | |tim| | Well, It has to be making money |
| 09:16.55 | fhffhqvb | crapola inc. |
| 09:16.58 | |tim| | lol |
| 09:17.11 | |tim| | Hey. I've got a dancing santa |
| 09:17.22 | fhffhqvb | WHY |
| 09:17.27 | |tim| | and it walks too |
| 09:17.33 | fhffhqvb | mine would run. |
| 09:17.41 | |tim| | and moves it's hips |
| 09:17.41 | |tim| | lol |
| 09:17.43 | fhffhqvb | from me, actually. me and my lighter. |
| 09:17.48 | |tim| | rofl |
| 09:18.20 | |tim| | but it falls off the counter a lot |
| 09:18.28 | |tim| | I'm surprised its not broken yet |
| 09:18.31 | fhffhqvb | that's probably for the best |
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| 12:12.18 | david_v | hoy |
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| 14:59.53 | CIA-1 | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/ (TODO): gotta checkin everyday, even xmas |
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| 15:06.56 | Chestal | hmm, one of the recent changes seems to have broken server registration with the list server |
| 15:24.45 | Chestal | hmm, turned out to be a local ns problem |
| 15:28.11 | CIA-1 | 03chestal * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (bzfs.cxx): remove superfluous block |
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| 18:02.30 | Chestal | hi orchid, dialup working? |
| 18:02.36 | orchid | hi |
| 18:02.45 | orchid | yeah, i got it to work finally |
| 18:03.03 | orchid | at 28.8 :) |
| 18:03.16 | Chestal | fasten your seat belts ;-) |
| 18:03.20 | orchid | :) |
| 18:03.29 | orchid | too slow for bz you think? |
| 18:03.53 | Chestal | probably |
| 18:04.08 | Chestal | with not too many players it could work so-so |
| 18:32.37 | Chestal | hi Quol |
| 18:32.55 | Quol | hey Chestal- how R ya? |
| 18:33.17 | orchid | hi/bye Quol |
| 18:33.19 | Chestal | quite fine, thanks. How's your christmas? |
| 18:33.26 | Quol | hibye orchid |
| 18:34.02 | Quol | very good so far thanks, the kids are playing with their nwe toys - it's fun to watch them play :) |
| 18:34.15 | Quol | and yourself? do you celebrate christmas? |
| 18:35.31 | Chestal | I had some xmas yesterday with brother and other etc., that's enough for me :-) |
| 18:36.10 | Quol | that's good though - some time with family is nice :) |
| 18:36.24 | Chestal | usually I hate it, but it was ok yesterday |
| 18:36.37 | Quol | that's good |
| 18:36.50 | Quol | sometimes it gets stressfull |
| 18:37.47 | Quol | I have my mom and sister coming over for super today, along with my mother-in-law and my sister-in-law and my wife's grandmother |
| 18:37.56 | Quol | we will have 4 generations present at this super :) |
| 18:40.01 | Quol | be back in a minute - rebooting..... |
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| 20:48.36 | brlcad | Merry Christmas from afar to all who celebrate it |
| 21:02.18 | Pimpinella | fetchmail |
| 21:11.31 | Noodleman | a perl programmer's holiday greeting: http://www.noodleroni.com/greet.txt |
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| 22:07.42 | fhffhqvb | ~xmission |
| 22:07.59 | fhffhqvb | ~bzfquery xmission.bzflag.org 5154 |
| 22:08.10 | fhffhqvb | snort. |
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| 22:12.06 | googol | why do i get kicked from a server if my lag is high ? |
| 22:12.23 | googol | :| |
| 22:13.18 | fhffhqvb | is that a trick question? |
| 22:13.23 | googol | will i still be allowed to be playing BZflag if i have a dial-up internet conenction ? |
| 22:13.40 | googol | ... located in Australia ? |
| 22:14.04 | googol | no |
| 22:15.10 | fhffhqvb | nope, squashy. |
| 22:15.19 | fhffhqvb | if your lag is too high, you'll be kicked from the server. |
| 22:15.35 | googol | but what if i go to a server, and i don't get kicked ? |
| 22:15.43 | googol | thats that means it's ok ? |
| 22:15.53 | googol | does* |
| 22:16.13 | fhffhqvb | ... |
| 22:16.20 | googol | meaning ? |
| 22:16.21 | fhffhqvb | kick = bad. no kick = good. |
| 22:16.46 | googol | so it's ok ? and i can just use a server who doesn't kick ? |
| 22:17.01 | fhffhqvb | yes? |
| 22:17.07 | googol | ? |
| 22:17.11 | googol | :) |
| 22:17.20 | googol | downloading bzflag |
| 22:17.23 | googol | bye |
| 22:17.37 | fhffhqvb | another victory for captain obvious. |
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| 23:53.15 | david_v | hehe |
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