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| 00:15.44 | larsl | There they are. |
| 00:15.44 | brlcad | hehe |
| 00:15.46 | brlcad | quite nice timing |
| 00:15.51 | brlcad | Oh.. I rejoined too.. |
| 00:16.17 | brlcad | so my machine didn't die.. just some router between me and myself |
| 00:17.26 | brlcad | I'm in too much bliss today to care, though.. dual G5's arrived |
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| 00:24.59 | brlcad | wee.. nickserv lives |
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| 00:27.54 | brlcad | oh interesting.. problems all over the world.. traffic report index is in the 80's |
| 00:28.45 | Tupone | hi learner |
| 00:29.21 | brlcad | heya tupone, how goes you? |
| 00:29.41 | Tupone | well. no more commits? what's happening? |
| 00:29.45 | brlcad | heh |
| 00:29.53 | brlcad | I was going to ask you the same |
| 00:30.01 | brlcad | when to release.. |
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| 00:30.37 | Tupone | Like laser things? |
| 00:30.54 | brlcad | laser? you commited that, didn't you? |
| 00:31.04 | brlcad | i saw patch for 100 limit |
| 00:31.06 | Tupone | I put a limit to 100 bounce |
| 00:31.09 | brlcad | yea |
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| 00:31.34 | brlcad | I haven't tested it yet.. been playing with dual g5's at work all day today |
| 00:31.49 | Tupone | I see that with that limit I get a 5 msec CPU while shooting |
| 00:31.50 | brlcad | hi orchid |
| 00:31.56 | orchid | hi |
| 00:32.00 | Tupone | per frame |
| 00:32.03 | Tupone | hi orchid |
| 00:32.59 | brlcad | tupone, you mean it slows you down?? |
| 00:33.34 | Tupone | Yeah, limiting is better that unlimited. |
| 00:33.49 | Tupone | When unlimited you'll be slowed by 3/4 sec |
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| 00:34.09 | brlcad | wee.. I can get to my box now |
| 00:34.13 | Tupone | now just 5 msec if you shoot at a little angle |
| 00:34.36 | brlcad | what is 5msec? |
| 00:34.42 | brlcad | the life of the laser? |
| 00:35.39 | Tupone | no. I put the laser at 10 sec, on your site, and the shoot at a little angle. FPS decrease and time per frame increase by 5 msec |
| 00:35.53 | Tupone | while shooting |
| 00:36.07 | brlcad | oh. hrm. it didn't look like your patch should have caused that, though I didn't look that closely. |
| 00:36.31 | Tupone | my patch limit that delay, so should decrease |
| 00:37.00 | Tupone | still 5 msec, while shooting a laser that hit around 100 times the wall |
| 00:37.35 | Tupone | did you remeber you get nr, without limitation |
| 00:37.54 | brlcad | that's not that bad, 5msec, since the alternative was like 5s :) |
| 00:38.01 | Tupone | yeah |
| 00:38.21 | Tupone | so you think we can stay with that. yes? |
| 00:38.59 | brlcad | I'm pretty sure it's fine for now, if not it's easy enough to change any time |
| 00:40.22 | Tupone | I think the DB cache should be rewritten. |
| 00:41.01 | brlcad | before release?! |
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| 00:42.02 | Tupone | depend on when releasing. Have you seen what it does? cascade if on the dbname to get value |
| 00:43.03 | brlcad | I have not seen what it does yet. what do you mean by cascade? |
| 00:43.29 | Tupone | if a="xxx" then else if a = "yyy" then else if |
| 00:43.49 | brlcad | ah.. it if-compares all names in the cache |
| 00:44.17 | Tupone | the name in the cache are now just 3/4 but increasing that ... :( |
| 00:44.41 | brlcad | well.. the real problem is that the StateDatabase needs to be made more efficient |
| 00:44.45 | brlcad | it shouldn't be so slow |
| 00:45.25 | Tupone | I have preferred compiler referred field in the cache. e.g float tankRadius as a field of the cache |
| 00:45.27 | brlcad | it needs to be updated to allow/use native datatypes as well as a better storage mechanism |
| 00:46.31 | brlcad | I think it's using a map right now, whereas a hash_map would alone be considerably more appropriate. Non-string id's would probably be even better still. |
| 00:46.45 | Tupone | that is BZDB |
| 00:46.50 | brlcad | yes |
| 00:46.52 | Tupone | but the cache is not |
| 00:47.32 | brlcad | right.. I'm saying I don't think the cache needs to exist separately; it could even be merged with the StateDatabase |
| 00:47.40 | brlcad | so that there are not two interfaces for storage |
| 00:48.15 | brlcad | it could auto-manage a cache for values that are used frequently automatically, even |
| 00:48.33 | Tupone | I'm wrong in something :( |
| 00:48.50 | Tupone | only the callback is using cascade if :) |
| 00:48.59 | Tupone | so this is not a big issue |
| 00:49.11 | brlcad | it still needs improvement ;) |
| 00:50.02 | brlcad | wow. |
| 00:50.21 | Tupone | how can you get bzflag use 2 cpu? |
| 00:50.31 | brlcad | write multithreading code :) |
| 00:50.48 | brlcad | it's not going to help too much how it is currently written, though |
| 00:51.15 | Tupone | if we can go multithread, we can solve a lot of net stuff not being preemptive, but |
| 00:51.31 | Tupone | I'm wondering about something |
| 00:51.48 | brlcad | yes, it would help network and message handling a lot, but can cause a lot of other issues too |
| 00:52.08 | Tupone | if we go multithread, who stop rendering loop to give time to other to do their work? |
| 00:52.11 | brlcad | because there are so many "shared" globals in use |
| 00:52.29 | Tupone | now we go full ahead |
| 00:53.04 | Tupone | but we use the system only to play |
| 00:53.42 | Tupone | we should work with priority, we should insert delay / sleep on the loop ? |
| 00:55.17 | brlcad | If it were multithreaded, we could sleep if need be, or let it go full-speed like it does now |
| 00:55.46 | brlcad | the "game loop", though, would need to control how fast it iterates |
| 00:56.03 | Tupone | otherwise there is no power for the other |
| 00:57.33 | brlcad | if the machine is actually maxed out, and the threads/procs are fighting for time, the game loop will need starve out the graphics loop (framerate suffers, not game logic) |
| 00:57.37 | Tupone | so probably should be based on the system idle time: we should misure that and add delay to have some minimal idle |
| 00:57.49 | Tupone | or remove |
| 00:58.05 | Tupone | I mean run-time |
| 00:58.43 | Tupone | too complicated! |
| 00:59.43 | Tupone | so you will say that rendering loop should have minimum priority |
| 01:00.06 | brlcad | I don't think Tim wants to see multithreading anytime soon, though |
| 01:01.02 | brlcad | I don't think had an SMP box sitting on his desk, crying as it sits idle while the other is pegged.. |
| 01:01.29 | Tupone | lol |
| 01:01.51 | Tupone | we could move process from a CPU to the other to make them rest |
| 01:03.11 | brlcad | Getting the server multithreaded would probably be a better test bed, since it's got a relatively simple run loop to control |
| 01:03.44 | brlcad | all of the network traffic could be handled by a thread, as well as a message/action handle thread |
| 01:03.56 | brlcad | very simple and hard to mess up |
| 01:04.48 | brlcad | and it should help the server behave better when it has to do a lot of processing (like filter chat messages or compute cheating statistics or manage a game state) |
| 01:05.25 | Tupone | Do you think this will help SMP usage? |
| 01:05.48 | brlcad | better than now, for sure.. |
| 01:05.57 | Tupone | a little |
| 01:06.22 | brlcad | bzfs isn't that bad using the CPU until you actually have it do some work (like filtering) -- then you see that it would help |
| 01:06.45 | brlcad | I'd like to eventually get a game state in the server, and that will be more cpu work for sure |
| 01:07.54 | Tupone | we should find concurrent thread of similar CPU power to use an SMP machine at full |
| 01:08.42 | brlcad | ? huh |
| 01:08.43 | Tupone | but I suppose problem is mainly clientside |
| 01:09.42 | brlcad | yea, the client is definately more work and harder -- that's why I think if bzfs can be converted to use threading and it works, it'll be better proof-of-concept to work on the harder, more important problem of bzflag client. |
| 01:10.32 | Tupone | and it should use all the CPU available. bzfs should leave instead a lot of CPU to other daemons |
| 01:11.00 | brlcad | sure.. but bzfs can do that easily with renice :) |
| 01:11.14 | Tupone | bzfsLite? news? |
| 01:12.01 | Tupone | Tim has installed? |
| 01:12.42 | Tupone | s/bzfs/bzfls/ |
| 01:12.57 | brlcad | oh, sqlite.. no, he hasn't installed it -- can't use the latest binary because his system is old |
| 01:13.18 | brlcad | I don't think he's tried to compile it |
| 01:14.01 | brlcad | brb |
| 01:14.17 | Tupone | I too have compiled, with debian, but I'm using unstable, I don't know if that's too new, too |
| 01:18.08 | brlcad | he can't use glibc 6 apparently |
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| 01:20.22 | brlcad | hi merry |
| 01:20.41 | brlcad | did you register your irc nickname? I noticed it was already registered |
| 01:20.45 | _Merry | hi brlcad |
| 01:20.48 | _Merry | ndunno |
| 01:20.49 | KR | big fun on ducati just now - no laggers, full teams for a bit |
| 01:21.02 | _Merry | how do I? |
| 01:21.06 | _Merry | ~d |
| 01:21.08 | KR | marry has n'itis |
| 01:21.15 | _Merry | ~quol |
| 01:21.18 | KR | eek merry - sry |
| 01:21.21 | _Merry | `q2 |
| 01:21.26 | _Merry | ~q2 |
| 01:21.30 | _Merry | huh? |
| 01:21.35 | Tupone | Merry: /msg NickServ help |
| 01:21.42 | KR | spelled your name wrong :) |
| 01:21.46 | _Merry | oh |
| 01:21.49 | _Merry | heh |
| 01:22.04 | _Merry | what does it do? |
| 01:22.47 | Tupone | Merry: if you register with that, you can eventually take your nickname if someone enter with your |
| 01:23.10 | Tupone | so you kill the thief, and then get your |
| 01:23.26 | brlcad | merry, if you didn't .. someone else already registered it then :( |
| 01:23.34 | _Merry | oh |
| 01:23.36 | _Merry | :( |
| 01:23.38 | _Merry | ratz |
| 01:23.50 | KR | make it MerryBZ or something like that |
| 01:24.00 | brlcad | or sn0w_doggy |
| 01:24.08 | KR | or learner |
| 01:24.14 | KR | ;) |
| 01:24.16 | brlcad | or RK :) |
| 01:24.20 | _Merry | lol |
| 01:24.31 | _Merry | lol |
| 01:24.32 | RK | can't do it |
| 01:24.32 | _Merry | kr |
| 01:24.33 | brlcad | hehe |
| 01:24.51 | _Merry | u t tk |
| 01:24.51 | _Merry | rk* |
| 01:24.51 | _Merry | kr now |
| 01:25.02 | BZGirly100 | ;) |
| 01:25.07 | KR | VeryMerry |
| 01:25.11 | BZGirly100 | lol |
| 01:25.14 | BZGirly100 | w/e |
| 01:25.15 | brlcad | wow.. bzflag is pretty sweet on a 23" display |
| 01:25.28 | KR | awww man - I have display envy now.... |
| 01:25.38 | brlcad | and hooked up to a kick'n sound system |
| 01:25.44 | KR | yours is 4" bigger than mine... |
| 01:25.55 | brlcad | :) |
| 01:26.00 | KR | I liked going from 17 to 19 |
| 01:26.08 | KR | 23 would r0x0r |
| 01:26.17 | BZGirly100 | hehee |
| 01:26.31 | brlcad | it's the apple cinema display HD flat panel |
| 01:26.44 | KR | I'll bet it wears out your video card faster though.... |
| 01:26.48 | KR | lol :) |
| 01:26.52 | brlcad | ha! |
| 01:27.22 | KR | you'll have to get a kick-start, gas powered video card |
| 01:27.24 | brlcad | it's a surprisingly bright and crisp display -- best I've seen in a long time |
| 01:27.35 | brlcad | much brighter than even the previous 22" I had |
| 01:27.52 | brlcad | s/had/have/ |
| 01:28.31 | brlcad | this machine is pretty sweet. I stayed at work to watch the extended Two Towers tonight :) |
| 01:28.49 | KR | did you see this on /. today - |
| 01:28.51 | KR | http://science.slashdot.org/science/03/11/19/009201.shtml?tid=133&tid=134&tid=186 |
| 01:29.14 | KR | someone figured out the airspeed of an unladen swallow... |
| 01:29.32 | brlcad | heh |
| 01:29.59 | larsl | How much does it differ from the airspeed of a swallow carrying a coconut? |
| 01:30.08 | KR | silly learner |
| 01:30.16 | KR | depends on how he *grips it* |
| 01:30.23 | KR | :) |
| 01:31.22 | brlcad | heh, larsl speaks, I get sillified :) |
| 01:31.43 | brlcad | yay for tab completion :) |
| 01:32.02 | larsl | ~weather essb |
| 01:33.37 | bryjen | ~nslookup list.bzflag.org |
| 01:33.37 | BZGirly100 | !weather batavia, il |
| 01:33.37 | Guu | BZGirly100: The current temperature in Batavia, Illinois is 41°F. Conditions are Clear. |
| 01:33.38 | bryjen | ibot: hello? |
| 01:33.43 | | Howdy Bub |
| 01:34.45 | larsl | 02:34, time to sleep. |
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| 01:43.05 | bryjen | ~nslookup db.bzflag.org |
| 01:43.33 | brlcad | I had to wait a solid 10 seconds before the list server responded in 1.10.. |
| 01:43.36 | brlcad | er, 1.9 |
| 01:44.23 | bryjen | hrm. bzfls v1.7 doesn't seem to like my hostname. |
| 01:45.00 | bryjen | odd that v1.9 has no problem with it and they're the same machine. |
| 01:54.33 | BZGirly100 | well gonna go play tanky |
| 01:54.35 | BZGirly100 | on ducati |
| 01:54.38 | BZGirly100 | see ya |
| 01:54.40 | brlcad | have fun |
| 02:03.29 | BZGirly100 | bye all |
| 02:04.04 | BZGirly100 | g'night |
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| 02:05.50 | orchid | ~seen merry_ |
| 02:05.54 | | merry_ <~gig1992@adsl-68-73-80-232.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 23h 33m 33s ago, saying: 'bye'. |
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| 02:14.45 | KR | orchidbzgirl - she may be at ducati |
| 02:15.03 | orchid | k |
| 02:15.10 | orchid | ~d |
| 02:15.30 | orchid | she's probly gone to bed |
| 02:15.33 | KR | (20:55:10) BZGirly100: well gonna go play tanky |
| 02:15.33 | KR | (20:55:12) BZGirly100: on ducati |
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| 02:39.47 | robinp | hey all |
| 02:39.51 | orchid | hi |
| 02:40.26 | robinp | i can't seem to be able to join any games - i get an error saying "cannot open bzflag.sf.net/server-list" or some such |
| 02:40.35 | robinp | it was working fine last night |
| 02:41.35 | orchid | list server works for me at the mo |
| 02:41.57 | orchid | sometimes you have to wait a while then the servers appear |
| 02:42.12 | butter | how long is a while? :/ |
| 02:42.33 | orchid | well, not long, 5 seconds or so |
| 02:42.41 | butter | oh |
| 02:42.42 | orchid | long enough :) |
| 02:43.48 | robinp | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:44.31 | orchid | ~bzflist |
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| 03:05.24 | heinola | hello all |
| 03:05.54 | orchid | hello |
| 03:07.37 | heinola | i liked xchat better than mirc |
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| 03:44.37 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/ (configure.in): macosx doesn't need to follow the bad example of the other platforms.. the frameworks are libs, not flags. quells a libz symbol error on gcc 3.3 anyways. |
| 03:44.39 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o TimRiker] by ChanServ |
| 03:45.42 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (Makefile.am): os x ordering .. libMac must come after libPlatform to resolve with gcc 3.3 |
| 03:57.40 | TimRiker | doughecka: ibot and jbot are the same bot at the moment. |
| 03:57.51 | TimRiker | same shared log site and stats |
| 03:58.34 | TimRiker | the multiconnect mode has issues that I've not yet fixed. joining channels is somewhat broken for example. |
| 03:59.46 | TimRiker | after we clean those up blootbot should handle multiple connects fairly easily. I plan to (someday) add the ability to dynamically join/leave servers on the fly. |
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| 04:31.17 | HEINOLA | hello all |
| 04:55.49 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/ (configure.in): should be a better check for socklen_t |
| 05:23.02 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/ (configure.in): add a comment with the line for what we "should" be using to detect socklen_t.. |
| 05:34.51 | KR | ~d |
| 05:35.03 | KR | ~quol |
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| 08:19.37 | trepan | anyone interested in a minor bug in CustomWeapon.cxx? |
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| 08:57.27 | TimRiker | bug reports always welcome. |
| 08:57.37 | TimRiker | SF preferred |
| 09:00.44 | trepan | ok, this is a silly one liner though |
| 09:02.09 | trepan | after the 'while (parms.good()) {}' loop, add delay.pop_back() |
| 09:03.03 | trepan | i'm getting an extra delay, parms.good() seems to succeed one extra time |
| 09:04.42 | trepan | also wondering if we could reduce the timeout for the main select() in bzfs.cxx when world weapons are present (to around 10ms) |
| 09:38.33 | Chestal | trepan: I'll correct the while loop |
| 09:40.30 | CIA | 03chestal * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (CustomWeapon.cxx): fix parsing of CustomWeapon delay parameters |
| 09:44.13 | trepan | thx, any chance for the select() timeout mod? it makes for some neat weapons tricks |
| 09:45.46 | trepan | i'll make the patch and put it on SF... |
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| 15:15.38 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (3 files): applied sf patch 845809 from trepan. decreases the server wait time if there are any world weapons present, which is not unreasonable for a variety of reasons. |
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| 15:32.20 | Chestal | brlcad: without having really taken a look at that WorldWeapons code: IMHO it would be nice to have a general event queue or something so the select would know how long to sleep. IIRC right now there is a loop which checks for some time critical events and calcs the wait time for the soonest event to come |
| 15:32.52 | Chestal | brlcad: maybe for a first shot it would be possible to include the World Weapons in there? A fixed, low wait time does not seem to be a good idea to me |
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| 15:42.51 | Bagheera | !lart JBdiGriz |
| 15:58.18 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (bzfs.cxx): only update world weapons more frequently if there is someone connected |
| 16:13.21 | Quol | ugh - when did the folks on the freeBSD channel get so rude? or have they always been that way? |
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| 16:15.42 | Michaelh | greetings |
| 16:17.15 | JBdiGriz | Quol: It depends on who is on. If the ops aren't around the kiddies come out to play. |
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| 16:20.17 | Quol | JB - this idiot justin` just yelled at me - but then again he thinks I am an idiot - so there you go, feeling's mutual. |
| 16:20.33 | Quol | 30 seconds on the channel and he tells me to use windows :) |
| 16:21.12 | Quol | in his defense I did ask a basic question, but a quick answer would have been nice instead of biting my head off :0 |
| 16:21.52 | Michaelh | what was this all about? |
| 16:22.10 | Quol | ahh, the freeBSD channel - not this one... :) |
| 16:22.41 | Michaelh | my favorite is RTFM after you've waded through tons of indeciferable outdated documentation |
| 16:23.17 | Quol | LOL |
| 16:23.20 | Michaelh | that seems to be a unix/linux favorite |
| 16:23.28 | Quol | someone who understands ;) |
| 16:23.29 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/ (11 files in 4 dirs): applied MAC's sf patch 494248 "New Flag: Dodge (D)". Mostly left the patch in tact with the exception of puting vars and constants into the bzdb, and calling the flag Acceleration (D) |
| 16:24.09 | Michaelh | so how many freaking flags do we have now? |
| 16:24.12 | Quol | I am researching 5 different platforms, and I don't have time to read over eveyone's manual's (for those that have them that is) |
| 16:25.07 | Quol | so I go on the channel and ask wheather I should spend my time focusing on the stable realease, or the "technology" release - whatever that means, and he tells me to use windows...lol, that's a good start wouldn't you say.. |
| 16:27.05 | Michaelh | this is for development purposes or for school or ... |
| 16:28.39 | Quol | Michaelh: ya - that's what I have figured out...but they should say that right of the bat - especially when you go to the FTP - they are both "releases" |
| 16:34.57 | Michaelh | So you are researching the various BSD releases or are you developing them as well? |
| 16:35.59 | TimRiker | please revert the new flag patch. |
| 16:36.14 | TimRiker | new flags should not go in at this stage of the game |
| 16:36.36 | Michaelh | doh |
| 16:36.36 | TimRiker | bug fixes welcome. new flags not. |
| 16:36.59 | TimRiker | porting bug fixed particularly. let's get a release out. |
| 16:37.42 | Michaelh | How about a works on crappy laptop patch? |
| 16:37.59 | Michaelh | :( |
| 16:39.22 | TimRiker | sure if it does not break other platforms. |
| 16:40.04 | Michaelh | although it dôes dôes döe other çstuff |
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| 16:40.46 | Michaelh | éxcèpt what I care about |
| 16:41.17 | Michaelh | and what the heck is ¤ |
| 16:41.54 | Quol | Michaelh: reasearching the platforms to relace RedHat linux here at the office, since RH has merged with Fedoraon the "Free" linux, I don't have a good feeling about RedHat/fedora, and want to change, hence me testing out 5 different linuxes :) |
| 16:41.58 | Quol | oops - Unixes.. |
| 16:42.45 | TimRiker | ¤ is a euro symbol |
| 16:43.14 | TimRiker | well, in latin15, not utf8. irc should be utf8 |
| 16:43.25 | Michaelh | hmm |
| 16:44.14 | Michaelh | pretty funny to come all this way and stick in my cash atm access card and get money out |
| 16:44.19 | JBdiGriz | I just checked in on the #freebsd channel, 270 people, 1 op who isn't there. It's kiddie time in that channel. |
| 16:44.40 | Quol | ya - I saw you there... |
| 16:45.02 | Quol | Michaelh: where did you go? |
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| 16:45.17 | Michaelh | Near Paris france |
| 16:45.32 | Quol | from where? did you travel far? |
| 16:45.32 | Michaelh | Levallois it's a suburb of paris |
| 16:45.41 | Michaelh | From Minneapolis |
| 16:45.49 | Michaelh | :) |
| 16:46.02 | Michaelh | Just a month more of training |
| 16:46.05 | JBdiGriz | I had a similar question regarding the 4.9 release, and they pointed me at the docs on the web site that I had already read. I quoted the docs back to them, and was informed they can't keep them up to date. I went back to talking to the developers rather than the clowns. |
| 16:46.25 | Michaelh | and then I will be back in the US travelling about doing development work |
| 16:46.31 | Michaelh | and other stuff |
| 16:46.43 | Michaelh | either that or I will be training people |
| 16:47.22 | Michaelh | They have this home-brewed proprietary development system they use called E-Wam |
| 16:47.45 | Quol | JBdiGriz: I should have just asked you :) |
| 16:48.33 | Quol | Michaelh: i see lots of traveling in your future... |
| 16:48.34 | Michaelh | Object oriented, uses their own little language they developed, each object has what is called a scenario, sort of like forms I suppose. The look and field of stuff is quite old fashioned, both in terms of the tool and the applications it puts out |
| 16:49.10 | JBdiGriz | I find the IRC channels are very volatile. Some are good one day and useless the next. A large population in the channel is like having a large committee. |
| 16:49.13 | Michaelh | Sort of fashioned from the developer's perspective, database is integrated into their language |
| 16:49.39 | Michaelh | so 'full objects' can be stored intothe database with a simple method call |
| 16:50.36 | Michaelh | and recalled on demand -- the entire thing can be tested and debugged live until it is deployed into C++ or Java sort of like VB I suppose but microsoft would gag at how this stuff looks |
| 16:50.41 | Quol | JBdiGriz: I have found the same thing |
| 16:50.43 | JBdiGriz | Perhaps it's like the committee measurements usefulness of the channel == lowest usefulness of any individual in the channel / number of participants in the channel |
| 16:51.32 | Michaelh | Plus I get zero exposure to using real C++ or Java -- which is not exactly cool in my mind |
| 16:51.59 | Michaelh | Even though it is programming |
| 16:52.19 | Michaelh | Beats scanning credit cards at the CompUSA and packing people's bags |
| 16:53.50 | Michaelh | All of their stuff works with a flat file database system at first and can use SQL Server Oracle as well |
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| 16:54.15 | xicht | Hi all |
| 16:54.28 | Michaelh | So all of my development work every little bit of it is stored in some file called TGV7000.TGV or something weird like that |
| 16:54.30 | xicht | our team Kolousci is ready to fight |
| 16:55.15 | Michaelh | It stores all the work in some binary representation, there isnt a single text line of code anywhere |
| 16:55.54 | Michaelh | except what you type in and look at on the screen |
| 16:55.58 | BZFlag | € is euro in utf8 |
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| 16:57.47 | xicht | is anybody here able to get a team? |
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| 17:02.24 | Michaelh | http://www.visi.com/~michaelh/development.jpg |
| 17:07.15 | Michaelh | so did you guys use an case tools lately? |
| 17:07.17 | Michaelh | any |
| 17:07.22 | Michaelh | :) |
| 17:07.36 | Chestal | nope, editor+shell for me :-) |
| 17:07.58 | Michaelh | Hi I'm a starving graduate student and I have a stupid question for all of you |
| 17:08.09 | Michaelh | Lets see if you care at all |
| 17:08.59 | Michaelh | What's all this open source thang all about really and why do you all do it? |
| 17:09.30 | Chestal | to help all humankind of course :-) |
| 17:10.00 | Michaelh | I suppose it's getting near the end of term too I suppose that's why they're coming out of the woodwork |
| 17:11.38 | Michaelh | well time to run home again |
| 17:11.47 | Michaelh | adios |
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| 17:15.17 | Bagheera | ~define wave a dead chicken |
| 17:15.44 | Bagheera | ~dict wave a dead chicken |
| 17:15.53 | JBdiGriz | !lart Bagheera |
| 17:16.14 | Bagheera | ~google wave a dead chicken |
| 17:16.26 | Bagheera | !lart JBdiGriz |
| 17:16.33 | JBdiGriz | ~shoot Bagheera |
| 17:16.36 | | ACTION shoots Bagheera in the head. |
| 17:17.00 | JBdiGriz | only 8 more times before we finish the cat :) |
| 17:17.11 | orchid | :) |
| 17:17.39 | Bagheera | what did I do to deserve this abuse?......... :) |
| 17:19.11 | JBdiGriz | Looking back to 0742 (PST) there's a message which started the abuse. Guess who it was from? |
| 17:19.52 | JBdiGriz | ~murder Bagheera |
| 17:19.55 | | ACTION shoots Bagheera in his sleep |
| 17:20.06 | JBdiGriz | 7 more times :) |
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| 17:27.25 | JBdiGriz | It looks like the dictionary site is being very slow today. |
| 17:29.10 | Bagheera | looks like |
| 17:32.06 | JBdiGriz | Is it worth marking another distribution so that people can test on the updated servers? Our current beta builds don't support the new protocol |
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| 17:46.34 | Bagheera | JBdiGriz: YES! |
| 17:54.21 | JBdiGriz | !praise Bagheera for answering a relevant question |
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| 17:59.55 | Quol | JBdiGriz: what would it be called? JBFlag? |
| 18:02.06 | JBdiGriz | Quol: How does v1_9_10_Beta grab you? :) |
| 18:04.28 | Quol | I like JBFlag better :) |
| 18:04.42 | Bagheera | JBdiGriz: does that correlate with the CVS version well? |
| 18:05.01 | JBdiGriz | In that game, shots would magically bend around anyone with a callsign related to Harry Harrison. :) |
| 18:05.17 | Bagheera | Quol: do you run linux or win....if linux what distribution? |
| 18:05.36 | JBdiGriz | Bagheera: I was planning on marking the CVS version so that we know what we are distributing. |
| 18:05.45 | Bagheera | JBdiGriz: cool |
| 18:08.09 | Quol | Bagheera: was running redhat, trying to figure out which one I will settle on now that redhat is dead |
| 18:08.35 | Mayhem | Quol: Debian! |
| 18:08.41 | JBdiGriz | You can still run fedora. It's alive, but doesn't have the corporate support it once had. |
| 18:08.42 | Mayhem | :) |
| 18:08.53 | Quol | sorry - not dead - but I don't want to pay for the "enterprise linux" stuff - if I wanted to pay I would use MS :) |
| 18:09.02 | Bagheera | Quol: similar here, rh 9 prechance....and if so, do you have any problems building bzflag stuff |
| 18:09.31 | JBdiGriz | What features do you need that aren't provided by fedora? |
| 18:10.08 | Quol | Bagheera: have built on RH8 and 9...no problems - although are you talking about current CVS stuff (1.9.9+) |
| 18:10.53 | Bagheera | Quol: yeah, when i try to build it starts to complain about things.......things that make it look like a shell interpretation issue. |
| 18:11.07 | Quol | JBdiGriz: the fedora thing just leaves a bad taste in my mouth - new release every 3 months, teft to the community to "test" the OS for stability and new software etc.. |
| 18:11.11 | Bagheera | i have tried different shells, but no luck |
| 18:11.50 | JBdiGriz | Bagheera: It should be using a standard shell from the autoconf utilities. |
| 18:11.52 | Quol | JBdiGriz: I have a feeling that it will become more of a "test/educational" operating system then Red Hat linux was |
| 18:12.23 | Bagheera | Quol: yeah, .....it fails right out of the gate........dang, i am going to have learn more about this. |
| 18:13.17 | Quol | Bags: I will try over here to see if I have the same issues - haven't done much with the current CVS |
| 18:13.34 | JBdiGriz | Most of the distributions tend towards the test side of things rather than the support side. |
| 18:13.48 | Bagheera | JBdiGriz: i have issues with the fact that i purchased entitlements recently, that are only good for a coupon towards a the new enterprize..... |
| 18:14.34 | captain_proton | JBdiGriz: often its not a question of something being wrong with the distro, but rather having noone to blame/fall-back-on when things go wrong :) |
| 18:14.40 | JBdiGriz | Bagheera: I'm not sure what entitlements are, and who you purchased them from. |
| 18:15.11 | JBdiGriz | captain_proton: exactly the right answer I was looking for. It's the support issue, not the technology issue. |
| 18:15.33 | Bagheera | JBdiGriz: premier support entitlements for downloads/help. since we basically have no admin here, i need all the help i get. |
| 18:15.58 | Mayhem | Debian is the answer. What was the question? |
| 18:16.39 | JBdiGriz | Bagheera: I understand, again it's the support issue. Most smaller outfits need a healthy surrounding community to solve problems like that. It's one of the reasons MS stays in the smaller shops. |
| 18:16.45 | captain_proton | "whats a great way to get yourself in a support nightmare?" :) |
| 18:17.20 | Quol | Mayhem: I am getting the feeling that you like debian :) |
| 18:17.28 | Mayhem | moi? ;) |
| 18:17.33 | JBdiGriz | captain_proton: I don't know, what? |
| 18:17.42 | captain_proton | JBdiGriz: i was answering Mayhem |
| 18:18.04 | Mayhem | captain_proton: what support nightmare? I've had better support with Debian than anything else I can think of. |
| 18:18.06 | Quol | JBdiGriz: Can't explain why I don't trust fedora anymore, I just get the feeling that it will be a "beta" OS from now on...can't shake this feeling |
| 18:18.06 | JBdiGriz | captain_proton: It sounded like a great start to a joke. :) |
| 18:18.08 | captain_proton | debian leaves a bad taste in my mouth, just because almost all the folks here who have needed support for bz on debian have been arrogant |
| 18:18.35 | captain_proton | Quol: run irix! :) |
| 18:18.44 | Mayhem | I find #debian is good for fast answers |
| 18:19.15 | Quol | captain_proton: irix run on intel yet :) |
| 18:19.23 | captain_proton | Quol: don't think so... |
| 18:19.26 | JBdiGriz | captain_proton: I like irix, great distribution and it comes with support. It's a little lean on the platforms it supports though. |
| 18:19.32 | Mayhem | Debian runs on Mips :) |
| 18:19.48 | Quol | captain_proton: that's why I don't use it then - still only runs on SGI's hardware I believe... |
| 18:19.50 | captain_proton | it has so many neat gizmos |
| 18:20.12 | JBdiGriz | wonderful capabilities in irix |
| 18:20.14 | Mayhem | I first encountered unix and bzflag on irix, so I have a soft spot for it too |
| 18:20.47 | Quol | captain_proton: I installed a 16 server cluster using their inter server giant hookup technology - really cool (well I helped install it for UbiSoft) |
| 18:21.06 | captain_proton | Quol: you mean whatever the new name for craylink is? |
| 18:21.31 | Quol | ya - that's it - haven't touched it in a year - couldn't remember the name |
| 18:21.53 | Quol | really cool though - and they have really sexy racks |
| 18:22.27 | Mayhem | no doubt you slashdot readers will know about the 256 processor Altix at Nasa |
| 18:22.44 | Quol | you walk into a datacenter, and it's all black - but then you look and see these black and purple curvy racks - they stand out and look really nice :) |
| 18:23.10 | captain_proton | heh |
| 18:23.45 | Quol | JBdiGriz: you tried bzflag on freebsd? |
| 18:24.05 | JBdiGriz | I haven't, since I don't have monitors hooked up to those machines. |
| 18:24.16 | Quol | server? |
| 18:24.20 | JBdiGriz | There are a couple of other people who have. |
| 18:24.22 | Quol | nzfs I mean |
| 18:24.30 | Quol | oops - bzfs |
| 18:24.57 | JBdiGriz | I should try running bzfs on my new machine so the kids can play. Maybe I'll do that today. |
| 18:25.36 | JBdiGriz | The ports file is 1.7g2, so I'll start that installation first |
| 18:28.31 | Quol | Bagheera: you going to stick it out with redhat/fedora, or migrate to redhat enterprise? |
| 18:29.54 | JBdiGriz | Now I'm a bit curious, what other distributions are people interested in regarding support? I have fedora, debian, and FreeBSD. I'm also going to check OpenBSD because of their security reputation. |
| 18:30.40 | Quol | the only reason I am not considering OpenBSD and netBSD is because of their SMP issues |
| 18:30.55 | Quol | but I have considered slackware - what about suse? |
| 18:31.27 | JBdiGriz | I can add that in as a technology issue. suse is going to novell, so the support might be very good. |
| 18:31.45 | Quol | suse is going to novell? what about sun? |
| 18:31.51 | Quol | didn't they purchase something? |
| 18:32.34 | JBdiGriz | I might be losing my mind again, but I thought they were dealing with someone else to provide the distro and they were just adding their java pieces on top. |
| 18:33.15 | Quol | captain_proton: tell them that I have been waiting for 2 years to mass deploy it because of SMP issues - other then that, love the OS for the internet services side of things (smtp, dns, etc.) |
| 18:33.21 | JBdiGriz | Knowing the devs helps a lot. You can avoid the wannabes that hang out in chat rooms and drive people away. |
| 18:33.37 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/include (common.h): removed incorrect typedef. it's not needed anymore anyways with the config.h fix |
| 18:33.49 | captain_proton | Quol: they know |
| 18:34.08 | JBdiGriz | It's a shame that Wind River killed BSDI. |
| 18:34.17 | Quol | captain_proton: they probably do - they put out some good stuff |
| 18:34.33 | Quol | never user BSDI |
| 18:35.19 | JBdiGriz | It's where all of the SMP implementation came from. It will make it into the other distributions in time. |
| 18:35.20 | Quol | debian got voted as "favorite linux distro" on linuxmag I think |
| 18:35.52 | Quol | is BSDI still alive in part? or is it dead? |
| 18:36.41 | JBdiGriz | It's dead as far as I know. I was talking to the last developer who is still at Wind River. |
| 18:37.16 | Bagheera | Quol: unknown, busy with other stuff, probably hold with it until we get a idea where our appilcation vendors are going |
| 18:37.48 | JBdiGriz | I have bzfs installed on my |
| 18:37.54 | JBdiGriz | FreeBSD machine now. |
| 18:37.58 | Bagheera | ......application vendor.....cadence....that is |
| 18:38.42 | Bagheera | almost took my laptop that route.....but redhat 9.0 supported it right out of the box.....nice for us non-diggers |
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| 18:41.05 | JBdiGriz | The #debian support channel is similar to the #freebsd support channel. Too many mouths, not enough brains. I'm not sure I would rely on that one either. |
| 18:41.38 | Death_Barrel | hi jb :) |
| 18:46.26 | JBdiGriz | sorry, I was off researching linux distros. hi back atcha. |
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| 18:54.14 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/include (common.h): vague recollection that the autoconf guys prefer to make their config files look like system headers to shut the old preprocessors up |
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| 19:10.00 | Tupone | TimRiker: I have the sqlite.so library, compiled with debian (unstable :( ) You can get here if you want http://tupone.dyndns.org/tiki-list_file_gallery.php?galleryId=1 |
| 19:10.45 | Tupone | thats the one from pear install sqlite |
| 19:11.35 | JBdiGriz | Tupone: Do you know of any reason why we shouldn't mark a 1.9.10 beta to distribute to the testers? |
| 19:12.10 | Tupone | 1 reason is: learner has introduced a new flag, Tim ask to reverse |
| 19:12.46 | Tupone | so it's pretty unstable |
| 19:13.28 | Tupone | not the object by itself, but the functions that we want in |
| 19:13.42 | JBdiGriz | Tupone: ok, thanks. |
| 19:15.49 | Bagheera | new flag, eh.....hmmm |
| 19:16.07 | Tupone | Dodge |
| 19:16.20 | Tupone | or Accelerate |
| 19:16.53 | *** join/#bzflag Legolas (~topgunp38@adsl-68-73-89-86.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net) |
| 19:17.00 | Legolas | ~d |
| 19:17.02 | Quol | Dodge? tank will dodge any bullet? or just gives you better lateral movement?> |
| 19:17.24 | Tupone | have an initial big acceleration |
| 19:17.56 | Tupone | perhaps should say speed |
| 19:18.18 | TimRiker | Tupone: I'll try in a bit... |
| 19:18.30 | Bagheera | so the change in vector direction is quick, but the overall speed in that direction is the same |
| 19:20.20 | Tupone | I suppose (we should ask better learner or Mac) that the first instant the speed is bigger than normal, then, it reduce |
| 19:21.07 | Bagheera | a time controlled, V and quick turn flag.....i think i get it now |
| 19:22.08 | learner | Tupone, it's being removed, so no worries.. |
| 19:22.28 | Tupone | :( |
| 19:22.38 | learner | We can readd it later. |
| 19:22.54 | *** join/#bzflag [Kol] (~jvaclavov@s097-n054.tele2.cz) |
| 19:23.02 | learner | If we are really close enough to release that it matters, I don't min. |
| 19:23.12 | learner | I assume that means we are releasing today or tomorrow |
| 19:23.42 | *** part/#bzflag [Kol] (~jvaclavov@s097-n054.tele2.cz) |
| 19:24.04 | learner | it's a very simple flag, so no problem to put it back in later with the other flags that are waiting |
| 19:24.35 | *** join/#bzflag __SCAT__ (~jvaclavov@s097-n054.tele2.cz) |
| 19:25.14 | Bagheera | wonder what it would look like.....almost like some of the cheat clients i have seen.....except that it has a time limit |
| 19:25.23 | learner | something like that |
| 19:25.53 | learner | it lets you go forward or backwards very quickly N times |
| 19:26.11 | Bagheera | not turn? |
| 19:26.26 | learner | you can still turn.. just not any faster than normal |
| 19:26.37 | learner | that's what the angular velocity (A) flag is for |
| 19:26.54 | learner | it's a lot like the A flag, just laterally |
| 19:26.55 | Bagheera | then how is it any different then V flag |
| 19:27.17 | learner | V will increase your speed, this increases your acceleration |
| 19:27.18 | Bagheera | laterally?....= forward and back, i thought that was side to side |
| 19:27.42 | learner | yea.. :) |
| 19:27.45 | *** join/#bzflag TimRiker (~timr@proxyle01.ext.ti.com) |
| 19:27.46 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o TimRiker] by ChanServ |
| 19:27.47 | learner | front side to back side :) |
| 19:28.37 | Bagheera | guess i will have to try it......i am a little schmagon about it right now |
| 19:29.07 | JBdiGriz | ~dict schmagon |
| 19:29.20 | JBdiGriz | ~spell schmagon |
| 19:29.22 | | possible spellings for schmagon: Schuman schmo Schumann schmuck Saigon Sargon shaman Chicagoan Scan scan schmoozing Samson ashman schmucks schmo's schmoes champaign champion changing |
| 19:29.58 | *** join/#bzflag larsl (~larsl@c213-100-62-55.swipnet.se) |
| 19:29.59 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o larsl] by ChanServ |
| 19:30.50 | Bagheera | larsl: you only get half credit for getting my age..... |
| 19:31.38 | JBdiGriz | Bagheera: some of those interpretations are pretty questionable. :) |
| 19:32.01 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/ (8 files in 3 dirs): |
| 19:32.02 | CIA | removing the acceleration flag until after release. |
| 19:32.03 | CIA | this should mean that we are releasing today or tomorrow given the simplicity of the flag.. |
| 19:32.03 | CIA | *sigh* I wonder how mac's horsies are doing. |
| 19:33.23 | learner | I feel so rather demotivated for some reason. |
| 19:33.29 | Bagheera | schmagon = having a vague feeling for, but unsure for its possible positive or negative effects. |
| 19:34.20 | JBdiGriz | Bagheera: Where does it come from? |
| 19:34.58 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (2 files): ho hum |
| 19:35.02 | Bagheera | the north central mountains between ohio and west virginia |
| 19:35.54 | JBdiGriz | I have never seen an american word starting with the schm. |
| 19:35.56 | *** join/#bzflag bryjen (~bryjen@63.147.94.145) |
| 19:36.03 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/ (ChangeLog): psyche |
| 19:36.16 | larsl | Bagheera: I can give you a full solution including Matlab code if you want. =) |
| 19:36.49 | Bagheera | JBdiGriz: drink enough moonshine, and schm - words come flowing out |
| 19:36.57 | Quol | well guys - I will check back in later - time to do some more work.... |
| 19:37.05 | *** join/#bzflag pookie (~sn0w_m0nk@photon.health.unm.edu) |
| 19:37.08 | JBdiGriz | Every google reference has the yiddish usage (dragon schmagon, wagon schmagon) |
| 19:37.27 | pookie | pookie |
| 19:37.37 | learner | pokie |
| 19:37.45 | learner | pocky |
| 19:37.45 | pookie | eh |
| 19:37.48 | pookie | heh |
| 19:39.21 | Bagheera | larsl: if you want full credit........it would be necessary :) |
| 19:40.33 | Bagheera | not everybody likes leather like you JBdiGriz |
| 19:40.43 | learner | TimRiker: So do you have a timeline in mind for when we are going to release then? The only item I know of left is to speed up the new list server. Any progress on that? |
| 19:40.58 | learner | Mmm.. leather miniskirts and tank tops |
| 19:41.05 | learner | that won't motivate me to code, though |
| 19:41.19 | JBdiGriz | Bagheera: It's not the leather or whips, but I know learner, and it did have something to do with tank tops. :) |
| 19:41.29 | learner | :) |
| 19:41.38 | Bagheera | :) |
| 19:42.32 | JBdiGriz | and possibly http://www.arrogantbastard.com/ |
| 19:42.41 | sn0w_p00kie | thats good beer |
| 19:43.19 | learner | oh yeah. that'd work. |
| 19:43.29 | learner | sn0w_p00kie: ! |
| 19:43.32 | bryjen | hmm |
| 19:43.44 | bryjen | ~nickometer __SCAT__ |
| 19:43.44 | | '__SCAT__' is 99.770% lame, bryjen |
| 19:44.15 | bryjen | ~nickometer sn0w_p00kie |
| 19:44.15 | | 'sn0w_p00kie' is 99.820% lame, bryjen |
| 19:44.16 | learner | we have a czech visitor, apparently |
| 19:44.26 | sn0w_p00kie | nahhhh |
| 19:44.29 | sn0w_p00kie | hmmm |
| 19:44.41 | larsl | ~nickometer ibot |
| 19:44.41 | | 'ibot' is 0.000% lame, larsl |
| 19:44.42 | sn0w_p00kie | ~nickometer sn0w_m0nkey |
| 19:44.42 | | 'sn0w_m0nkey' is 99.490% lame, sn0w_p00kie |
| 19:44.57 | sn0w_p00kie | bah |
| 19:45.04 | JBdiGriz | be nice people, make the visitors feel welcome. |
| 19:45.10 | sn0w_p00kie | thats a broken distrubution |
| 19:45.36 | sn0w_p00kie | hey learner |
| 19:45.42 | sn0w_p00kie | new release coming out soon? |
| 19:45.56 | JBdiGriz | there's a misdirected question. |
| 19:46.07 | sn0w_p00kie | hehe |
| 19:46.11 | JBdiGriz | !lart Bagheera |
| 19:46.28 | Bagheera | not dead yet! |
| 19:46.36 | Bagheera | just a flesh wound |
| 19:46.53 | bryjen | Quiet! You're not foolinh anyone. |
| 19:46.53 | learner | sn0w_p00kie: I sure hope so, since that new flag would have been debugged and rather tested by this evening otherwise |
| 19:47.30 | bryjen | ~dict curmudgeon |
| 19:47.32 | Bagheera | :) |
| 19:47.37 | JBdiGriz | It won't be fully tested until someone okays marking the tree as a 1.9.10 Beta so the testers can try it out. |
| 19:48.10 | learner | didn't I already tag a 1.9.10 three days ago? |
| 19:48.21 | learner | probably need to nudge the tag |
| 19:48.35 | *** join/#bzflag mmu_man (~revol@ALyon-209-1-6-247.w80-11.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 19:48.43 | Curmudgeon | According to the log, no. |
| 19:49.16 | learner | indeed, I see |
| 19:49.26 | learner | must have been 1.9.9 then |
| 19:49.40 | learner | or someone removed the tag |
| 19:50.09 | bryjen | well, it wasn't on a mattress ;) |
| 19:50.32 | Curmudgeon | What are you doing with learner's mattresses, bry? |
| 19:50.40 | bryjen | Wha? |
| 19:50.55 | sn0w_p00kie | ew |
| 19:51.03 | sn0w_p00kie | must be hump day |
| 19:51.13 | bryjen | Uh, no. |
| 19:51.20 | sn0w_p00kie | thurs!!! |
| 19:51.23 | sn0w_p00kie | doh |
| 19:51.25 | sn0w_p00kie | :) |
| 19:51.33 | learner | heh, if he's got my mattresses, I really hope it's not hump day |
| 19:51.39 | Grumbler | too much arrogantbastard for you |
| 19:51.40 | bryjen | !lart sn0w_p00kie |
| 19:51.42 | sn0w_p00kie | hehe |
| 19:51.52 | sn0w_p00kie | awwww |
| 19:51.56 | bryjen | Guu needs some more weapons. |
| 19:51.56 | Guu | bryjen: Error: 'needs' is not a valid command. |
| 19:52.03 | sn0w_p00kie | am i worth 1000 hours? |
| 19:52.39 | Grumbler | no its one of the new KAOL cds |
| 19:52.40 | Curmudgeon | bryjen: Give them to her. |
| 19:54.56 | *** join/#bzflag cniV (~kchan@c211-30-113-108.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au) |
| 19:56.43 | sn0w_p00kie | g'day |
| 19:57.16 | sn0w_p00kie | thats my best aussie |
| 19:58.48 | *** join/#bzflag bzdoug (~rooot@adsl-68-133.lou.bluegrass.net) |
| 19:59.22 | learner | TimRiker: you here? |
| 20:00.00 | *** join/#bzflag Death_Barrrel (clx@gss-tech.com) |
| 20:01.14 | bryjen | !lart Curmudgeon |
| 20:01.20 | bryjen | !lart 2 Curmudgeon |
| 20:01.28 | bryjen | !lart Curmudgeon |
| 20:01.35 | Death_Barrrel | lol |
| 20:02.07 | bryjen | hmm. defaults to #1 if not specified? Picking a random id would be nicer. |
| 20:02.31 | Curmudgeon | bryjen: add some new ones, it picks random ones, but the random function takes a while to go to something new |
| 20:02.42 | Curmudgeon | !info lart |
| 20:02.42 | Guu | Curmudgeon: Error: The command 'info' is available in the Factoids, FunDB, Google, Quotes, and RSS plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before calling it. |
| 20:02.50 | Curmudgeon | !fundb info lart |
| 20:02.50 | Guu | Curmudgeon: (info <lart|excuse|insult|praise> <id>) -- Gets the info for the record with id <id> from the table specified. |
| 20:02.59 | learner | !lart bryjen |
| 20:03.11 | learner | !excuse bryjen |
| 20:03.11 | Guu | learner: Error: The <id> argument must be an integer. |
| 20:03.11 | bryjen | ~crush learner |
| 20:03.17 | | ACTION crushes learner with a full height scsi disk |
| 20:03.17 | Curmudgeon | !list fundb |
| 20:03.17 | Guu | Curmudgeon: add, addword, anagram, change, crossword, excuse, fundb, get, info, insult, lart, num, praise, remove |
| 20:03.25 | bryjen | I like that one |
| 20:03.27 | Curmudgeon | !fundb num lart |
| 20:03.27 | Guu | Curmudgeon: There are currently 3 larts in my database. |
| 20:03.36 | learner | ~whaleslap bryjen |
| 20:03.39 | | ACTION slaps bryjen upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
| 20:03.39 | Curmudgeon | definitely not enough |
| 20:03.40 | learner | I like that one |
| 20:03.50 | bryjen | Hugh would. ;) |
| 20:03.55 | Curmudgeon | !lart 3 bryjen for not adding more larts. |
| 20:05.45 | Curmudgeon | ~lart bryjen |
| 20:06.01 | Curmudgeon | !fundb add lart stabs $who |
| 20:06.01 | Guu | Curmudgeon: Error: You must be registered to use this command. |
| 20:06.44 | Curmudgeon | !fundb add lart stabs $who |
| 20:06.44 | Guu | Curmudgeon: The operation succeeded. (lart #4) |
| 20:06.52 | learner | Curmudgeon: on another note, the mac make build should be fixed for 10.3/gcc3.3 now |
| 20:06.53 | Curmudgeon | !lart 4 bryjen |
| 20:07.15 | learner | Curmudgeon: can you think of any reason of why not to update the project to Xcode? |
| 20:07.30 | Curmudgeon | learner: That's cool, does the resulting client run on 10.2? |
| 20:08.09 | learner | Didn't try, gimme a sec and I'll let you know :) |
| 20:08.12 | Curmudgeon | learner: no, and i can think of several reasons why we should. |
| 20:09.29 | bryjen | !lart 5 Curmudgeon |
| 20:09.41 | purple_cow | ~CPR Curmudgeon |
| 20:09.44 | | Curmudgeon: <smoochu> :-* |
| 20:09.48 | Curmudgeon | !praise bryjen |
| 20:11.46 | learner | Curmudgeon: oops.. disabled ssh so I can't test the client |
| 20:11.59 | bryjen | !lart learner |
| 20:15.51 | Noodleman | Guu: what's wrong with OS/2? huh? you wanna piece of me?? |
| 20:15.51 | Guu | Noodleman: Error: "what's" is not a valid command. |
| 20:15.59 | Noodleman | hehe |
| 20:16.03 | Noodleman | !lart Guu |
| 20:17.03 | TimRiker | http://www.tapwave.com/product/index.asp <- bzflag here? ;-) |
| 20:18.05 | *** join/#bzflag Merry (~gig1992@adsl-68-73-89-86.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net) |
| 20:18.14 | Merry | Yo! |
| 20:18.20 | Noodleman | ho ho ho |
| 20:18.27 | Noodleman | meeeeerry christmas! |
| 20:18.29 | purple_cow | TimRiker: hmm, maybe with OpenGL ES |
| 20:18.34 | sn0w_p00kie | yo |
| 20:18.49 | Merry | yoo, whoever you are |
| 20:19.04 | TimRiker | :q |
| 20:19.07 | TimRiker | eep |
| 20:19.10 | Merry | noodle: it's not even chistmas ;) |
| 20:19.13 | purple_cow | ENOTVI |
| 20:19.16 | Merry | yo learner |
| 20:19.20 | Noodleman | close enuf, man :-) |
| 20:19.25 | Merry | heh |
| 20:19.31 | Merry | how about merry thanksgiv'in |
| 20:19.35 | learner | hi Merry |
| 20:19.38 | Merry | :) |
| 20:19.38 | Noodleman | that too :-) |
| 20:19.40 | Merry | LEARNER! |
| 20:19.42 | Merry | heh |
| 20:19.45 | purple_cow | well, its either that or EBADFOCUS :) |
| 20:20.12 | Tupone | Merry: did you register ? |
| 20:20.22 | Merry | nope |
| 20:20.25 | Merry | how do I? |
| 20:20.33 | purple_cow | TimRiker: looking for any summer interns? |
| 20:20.43 | Tupone | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:21.09 | Merry | did I know? |
| 20:21.16 | Merry | I typed that in |
| 20:21.18 | purple_cow | TimRiker: hmm, not that I know of |
| 20:21.24 | TimRiker | it's winter here. |
| 20:21.29 | Merry | -NickServ- This nickname is owned by someone else |
| 20:21.30 | Merry | - |
| 20:21.30 | Merry | -NickServ- If this is your nickname, type /msg NickServ IDENTIFY <password> |
| 20:21.30 | Merry | - |
| 20:21.30 | Merry | Local host: adsl-68-73-89-86.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net (68.73.89.86) |
| 20:21.30 | Merry | - |
| 20:21.32 | Merry | -NickServ- Syntax: REGISTER <password> |
| 20:21.34 | Merry | - |
| 20:21.36 | Merry | -NickServ- Type: /msg NickServ HELP REGISTER for more information |
| 20:21.38 | Merry | - |
| 20:21.40 | Merry | that's what it said |
| 20:21.55 | purple_cow | TimRiker: yes, i know |
| 20:21.59 | purple_cow | TimRiker: i'm talking about the coming summer |
| 20:21.59 | TimRiker | Merry: so it's taken |
| 20:22.09 | Merry | awww |
| 20:22.09 | TimRiker | purple_cow: no plans yet. |
| 20:22.10 | Merry | :*( |
| 20:22.15 | sn0w_p00kie | soneone took mine too |
| 20:22.17 | Merry | those stupid theifs! |
| 20:22.18 | purple_cow | TimRiker: k |
| 20:22.19 | Merry | ;) |
| 20:22.23 | sn0w_p00kie | or i forgot my passwd again |
| 20:22.29 | Merry | who r u sn0w_p00kkie? |
| 20:22.33 | Merry | p00kie* |
| 20:22.44 | sn0w_p00kie | poooooookie |
| 20:22.59 | Merry | heh |
| 20:23.01 | Merry | who r u? |
| 20:23.03 | TimRiker | Tupone: /usr/lib/php4/20010901/sqlite.so: /lib/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.3' not found (required by /usr/lib/php4/20010901/sqlite.so) |
| 20:23.14 | sn0w_p00kie | i am that which has no name |
| 20:23.20 | purple_cow | hmm, that zodiac do-widget has a 3d accelerator |
| 20:23.33 | TimRiker | purple_cow: my point exactly. |
| 20:23.41 | TimRiker | too bad it's palmos, so no gl. |
| 20:23.58 | Merry | really, r u Bags? |
| 20:24.24 | sn0w_p00kie | negatory merry |
| 20:24.31 | Merry | who den? |
| 20:24.31 | Grumbler | :) |
| 20:24.43 | Merry | hey bagss |
| 20:24.47 | Merry | bagsssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss* |
| 20:24.51 | Merry | ;) |
| 20:24.53 | purple_cow | TimRiker: i'm sure someone will do gl ES for it at some point |
| 20:24.58 | Grumbler | good afternoon Merry |
| 20:25.06 | purple_cow | though hmm |
| 20:25.13 | learner | Tim: any chance of using the mysql version instead? i have that setup tested as well |
| 20:25.21 | purple_cow | bah at them using a processor w/o mmu |
| 20:25.56 | Merry | 2:01 P.M. afternoon on: Thursday, Nov, 20, 2003 Took a history test, Grumbler |
| 20:26.00 | bryjen | 6mmoooo |
| 20:27.19 | learner | oink |
| 20:28.01 | Merry | nahahahaahah |
| 20:28.04 | Merry | w/e |
| 20:28.08 | Merry | oh my gosh |
| 20:28.17 | Merry | learner ;) |
| 20:28.27 | sn0w_p00kie | ook ook |
| 20:28.30 | sn0w_p00kie | its feeding time |
| 20:29.03 | bryjen | TimRiker: bzfls 1.7 doesn't list my server if I use -publicaddr bryjen.bzflag.org , but -publicaddr 63.147.94.149 works :( |
| 20:29.33 | *** join/#bzflag jolly (~k@jvnineteen.ne.client2.attbi.com) |
| 20:29.33 | TimRiker | ~nslookup bryjen.bzflag.org |
| 20:29.41 | bryjen | uh-huh |
| 20:30.01 | TimRiker | hmm. should work. |
| 20:30.18 | bryjen | that's what I thought. "should" is a dirty word. |
| 20:30.49 | TimRiker | learner: perhaps, not running mysql at present, but I might go there cause we don't seem to be making progress with sqlite |
| 20:31.06 | Merry | hi jolly |
| 20:31.08 | Merry | ~d |
| 20:31.15 | TimRiker | bryjen: make sure the old one is off the list before trying to add the new one. |
| 20:31.50 | Merry | ~d |
| 20:31.52 | jolly | hey merry :) |
| 20:32.19 | TimRiker | ~xmission |
| 20:33.13 | Merry | Oh! Today, I got a 100% on me history test!!! |
| 20:33.28 | jolly | nice :) |
| 20:33.35 | Merry | thanks |
| 20:33.43 | Merry | -NickServ- This nickname is owned by someone else |
| 20:33.43 | Merry | - |
| 20:33.43 | Merry | -NickServ- If this is your nickname, type /msg NickServ IDENTIFY <password> |
| 20:33.43 | Merry | - |
| 20:33.43 | Merry | Local host: adsl-68-73-89-86.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net (68.73.89.86) |
| 20:33.44 | Merry | - |
| 20:33.46 | Merry | -NickServ- Syntax: REGISTER <password> |
| 20:33.48 | Merry | - |
| 20:33.57 | Merry | -NickServ- Type: /msg NickServ HELP REGISTER for more information |
| 20:33.57 | Merry | - |
| 20:33.57 | Merry | oopsa |
| 20:33.57 | Merry | sry |
| 20:34.10 | Merry | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:34.13 | Merry | :) |
| 20:38.36 | Merry | bat' room brake |
| 20:38.39 | Merry | :/ |
| 20:42.22 | Merry | back |
| 20:49.48 | Tupone | TimRiker: same link as before: The preconfigured SQLite package. Should be buildable without any autotool, just run configure and make |
| 20:52.50 | Merry | ~d |
| 20:53.05 | Merry | !weather batavia, il |
| 20:53.08 | Guu | Merry: The current temperature in Batavia, Illinois is 63°F. Conditions are Clear. |
| 20:54.15 | *** join/#bzflag doughecka (~rooot@adsl-68-133.lou.bluegrass.net) |
| 20:54.32 | Merry | yesssss |
| 20:57.36 | bryjen | hmm Bat-avia. where da bat-room is. ;) |
| 20:57.55 | *** join/#bzflag calico (calico@bgm-66-24-2-32.stny.rr.com) |
| 20:58.38 | captain_proton | heh, anyone care to chip in on a graphics card for MAC? =} |
| 20:59.02 | calico | kr you around |
| 20:59.06 | Patlabor221 | why what does he have now? |
| 20:59.21 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: read his post to the ML |
| 20:59.33 | captain_proton | he has a broken one |
| 20:59.39 | captain_proton | and he's asking for one for christmas |
| 20:59.54 | Patlabor221 | I can probably find a MX |
| 21:00.11 | Patlabor221 | get his address |
| 21:00.56 | captain_proton | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:00.56 | captain_proton | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:00.56 | captain_proton | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:00.56 | captain_proton | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:01.19 | captain_proton | (whois is a wonderful thing) |
| 21:01.27 | Patlabor221 | I'll get to work on it. |
| 21:01.34 | Patlabor221 | you sure that is current? |
| 21:01.37 | Patlabor221 | he did move recently |
| 21:01.58 | captain_proton | i think so |
| 21:02.04 | captain_proton | Created on: 26-JUN-03 |
| 21:02.07 | Patlabor221 | k |
| 21:02.39 | captain_proton | ~seen wobbly_carrot |
| 21:02.43 | | wobbly_carrot <~magic_syr@balt-209-163-100-179.qis-dynamic-dialup.coretel.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 2d 17h 24m 40s ago, saying: 'hi boys'. |
| 21:02.50 | Patlabor221 | you wana wait till Xmas or send when I get? |
| 21:03.53 | Merry | christmas |
| 21:04.03 | Merry | christmas, christmas, christmas! |
| 21:04.07 | Merry | ;) |
| 21:04.11 | Merry | not "Xmas" |
| 21:05.43 | Patlabor221 | and you think he has AGP? |
| 21:06.52 | captain_proton | hmm, i dunno |
| 21:07.46 | Patlabor221 | so far I have found an AGP TNT2, a PCI TNT2 and a PCI 2MX, I will look for a AGP 2MX |
| 21:12.39 | Merry | bye all |
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| 21:51.36 | larsl | http://www.d.kth.se/~d00-llu/bzflag/bzhistory.png |
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| 22:09.45 | Curmudgeon | larsl: If you're really bored, check out the demotivators on http://www.despair.com/ |
| 22:15.24 | larsl | All of them are "Perfect for disaffected college students". =) |
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