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| 02:14.31 | Patlabor221 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:16.31 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/win32 (bzfls.dsp): bzfls goes away, never to come back a better day |
| 02:18.56 | Patlabor221 | present arms! |
| 02:19.23 | JBDiGriz | They're fine, a little hairy, but not too many scars. |
| 02:20.37 | Patlabor221 | are they clean? |
| 02:21.08 | JBDiGriz | Eminently, I licked them myself. The elbows might need some help though. |
| 02:22.33 | Patlabor221 | double eww |
| 02:22.52 | Patlabor221 | wow, apernatly I wasn't being stupid when I made this, just REALY clever |
| 02:22.57 | Patlabor221 | and had some typos :) |
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| 02:33.58 | fiberchunks_ | allo? |
| 02:33.59 | JBDiGriz | high fiber :) |
| 02:34.04 | fiberchunks_ | heya |
| 02:34.19 | fiberchunks_ | long time no speak |
| 02:34.25 | Patlabor221 | he lives |
| 02:34.34 | fiberchunks_ | he does? :) |
| 02:34.41 | Patlabor221 | nope |
| 02:35.09 | fiberchunks_ | been working on my house the past several weeks, finally got the living room |
| 02:35.10 | fiberchunks_ | done |
| 02:35.24 | Patlabor221 | coo |
| 02:35.30 | fiberchunks_ | now it's on to the basement :\ |
| 02:35.57 | fiberchunks_ | and, my X has some weird voodoo going on that I have to debug at some point |
| 02:36.31 | fiberchunks_ | whaz happonin with you all? |
| 02:36.51 | Patlabor221 | there have been great distubances in the force |
| 02:37.27 | fiberchunks_ | that's because the 5th is near... and we're preparing for a greater force |
| 02:37.39 | fiberchunks_ | 'I know kung-fu' |
| 02:37.45 | Patlabor221 | no I don;'t think it's that |
| 02:40.51 | scanline | fiberchunks_: "no you don't" |
| 02:41.05 | fiberchunks_ | heh |
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| 03:34.01 | Patlabor221 | does BZFlag start another thread for networking? |
| 03:37.49 | learner | *snort* |
| 03:38.02 | learner | yea riight.. |
| 03:38.08 | Patlabor221 | ok, then no |
| 03:38.12 | learner | :) |
| 03:38.13 | Patlabor221 | I didn't think so :) |
| 03:38.18 | Patlabor221 | but had to ask |
| 03:38.32 | Patlabor221 | he says he will hopefully return |
| 03:38.41 | Patlabor221 | should it start a new thread for net? |
| 03:38.54 | learner | probably |
| 03:40.44 | learner | ~quol |
| 03:40.53 | learner | ~d |
| 03:42.58 | Patlabor221 | is it using the new or old list server? |
| 04:12.50 | learner | hmm? |
| 04:12.54 | learner | is what? |
| 04:13.06 | learner | 1.9 is using the new one now |
| 04:13.32 | learner | don't know about .17 |
| 04:16.36 | Patlabor221 | I mean what is the bot using |
| 04:19.47 | TimRiker | bot is using the 1.7 list server. |
| 04:20.01 | TimRiker | ~bzflist |
| 04:25.12 | Patlabor221 | yup the average 42 players :) |
| 04:51.25 | learner | what's the name of that windows irc proggie that's supposed to be easy to use? |
| 04:51.38 | Patlabor221 | MIRC? |
| 04:51.47 | learner | trillian? |
| 04:52.06 | Patlabor221 | I would not call that "easy to use" |
| 04:52.11 | Patlabor221 | it just looks really purdy |
| 04:52.22 | Patlabor221 | and does IM's too |
| 04:52.57 | Patlabor221 | it's like GAIM |
| 04:53.08 | Patlabor221 | I use it for IMs and IRC at work |
| 04:53.44 | learner | ah, they made it look like an IM client |
| 04:53.58 | Patlabor221 | well it is an IM client too |
| 04:54.12 | Patlabor221 | does AIM, ICQ, yahoo, MSN and IRC |
| 04:56.41 | learner | my ghod.. do the aim chat rooms suck ass |
| 04:56.53 | learner | I haven't been in one in years.. just checked it out |
| 04:57.00 | learner | what useless crap |
| 04:57.10 | Patlabor221 | I dono, don't do aim chatrooms |
| 04:57.14 | Patlabor221 | just the AIM IMs |
| 04:58.19 | learner | there is more spam traffic than real chatter -- and people still try to hold a conversation |
| 04:59.16 | learner | there are cron spam-bots that send out sex ads more than once a minute, reconnecting with repeat id's like every three minutes |
| 04:59.24 | learner | what a useless system |
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| 06:21.29 | Chikorita | ~d |
| 06:21.41 | Chikorita | ~xmission |
| 06:22.05 | Chikorita | ~Chikorita |
| 06:22.07 | | you are probably a member of Team USA and a really sweet gal |
| 06:22.14 | Chikorita | :) |
| 06:22.30 | scanline | Chikorita: y0 |
| 06:22.40 | Chikorita | ibot: botsnack twix |
| 06:22.40 | | Chikorita: aw, gee |
| 06:22.54 | Chikorita | scanline: hello |
| 06:23.11 | Chikorita | scanline? |
| 06:23.19 | scanline | wazzup? |
| 06:23.37 | Chikorita | i was wonderin.. |
| 06:23.58 | Chikorita | r u like , from da ghetto or sumtin? |
| 06:24.24 | Chikorita | did u get like sum sorta ghetto scholarship thru college? |
| 06:25.36 | Chikorita | hello? |
| 06:25.48 | scanline | LoL!!!!!!! |
| 06:25.54 | Chikorita | LoL |
| 06:25.59 | scanline | i got da best edjacation evr |
| 06:26.13 | Chikorita | edumakation ya |
| 06:26.16 | scanline | dont ya be layin down smak on my edmcation! |
| 06:26.17 | Chikorita | coo |
| 06:26.25 | Chikorita | lol k i wont |
| 06:26.34 | scanline | U BETTER NOTT!!! |
| 06:26.39 | Chikorita | wut r u studyin btw? j/c |
| 06:26.54 | Chikorita | lemme gues ..african american studies? |
| 06:27.13 | scanline | ahm studyn how to beet ur head wif a slice f lemon wrapt round a gold brick, yo |
| 06:27.20 | Chikorita | lol |
| 06:27.39 | Chikorita | mm lemon |
| 06:27.51 | Chikorita | can i keep dat gold brick too? |
| 06:28.02 | scanline | if u want |
| 06:28.04 | Chikorita | i'd like 2 pay off mah car pwease |
| 06:28.08 | Chikorita | ty |
| 06:28.12 | scanline | ooooooooooh |
| 06:28.20 | scanline | its not dat kind a gold brick |
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| 06:29.13 | Chikorita | an wif da left ova change i hire sum homie 2 come ova ur dorm an hijack ur puter an talk like an idiot on irc |
| 06:29.28 | Chikorita | o wait ...did dat already happen ? i wonders |
| 06:29.30 | Chikorita | LoL |
| 06:29.43 | scanline | u sayin im sum kinda idiot? |
| 06:29.47 | Chikorita | j/k |
| 06:29.49 | scanline | i keeeel u! |
| 06:29.53 | Chikorita | LoL |
| 06:30.03 | Chikorita | i jus playin foolio ;) |
| 06:30.09 | Chikorita | hi jaybee |
| 06:30.38 | Chikorita | i think dats jaybee.. |
| 06:30.38 | Chikorita | anywayzz |
| 06:30.53 | Chikorita | seriously tho , wuts ur major scanline? |
| 06:31.10 | scanline | phd in smackdown, yo! |
| 06:31.20 | Chikorita | mine iz communications an english (believe it or not) heh |
| 06:31.26 | Chikorita | LoL scanline |
| 06:31.30 | Chikorita | u r 2 funny |
| 06:31.40 | scanline | need to get mah homie cap'n ther ta make espresso |
| 06:32.05 | Chikorita | o okies |
| 06:32.15 | Chikorita | espresso? dis late? |
| 06:32.29 | scanline | u dis'n my espresso? |
| 06:32.33 | Chikorita | ur gonna b upz all nite like dis yo>> O.O |
| 06:32.46 | scanline | mor like >:-P |
| 06:32.51 | Chikorita | o.O |
| 06:32.59 | Chikorita | lol scan |
| 06:33.01 | scanline | or maybe >8-D |
| 06:33.09 | Chikorita | ah i c |
| 06:33.14 | scanline | or even B^/ |
| 06:33.24 | Chikorita | caffeine has different effects on diff peeples |
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| 06:33.35 | Chikorita | wif mee im like O.O |
| 06:33.35 | lurgyman | Chikorita: Alas, it seems that our hero, Willy Elliot's archnemesis Jimmy Dissonance, unencumbered by gazpacho, was flailing against the system. Leaping out of the bushes, he picked branches off his kilt, exclaiming, "I've got my llama on backwards!" |
| 06:33.36 | *** part/#bzflag lurgyman (~lurgyman@navi.cs.colorado.edu) |
| 06:33.38 | Chikorita | o.O |
| 06:33.40 | scanline | lurgyman: wazzup yo! |
| 06:33.43 | scanline | awww |
| 06:33.50 | Chikorita | huh? |
| 06:34.19 | Chikorita | wut da hail was dat LOL |
| 06:34.21 | scanline | chik, i got a buddy u should meet |
| 06:34.24 | Chikorita | o? |
| 06:34.31 | Chikorita | umm |
| 06:34.33 | Chikorita | okies |
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| 06:34.49 | Chikorita | i hope itz not a meanie bot |
| 06:34.50 | lurgyman | hmm |
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| 06:35.17 | Chikorita | wb lurgy |
| 06:35.22 | lurgypickle | in here honey, im flaming like men... |
| 06:35.27 | Chikorita | iz that from a book ? |
| 06:35.33 | lurgypickle | if you do you better then i'm proposing 1 |
| 06:35.43 | Chikorita | huh? |
| 06:36.03 | Chikorita | i think he iz on drugs? |
| 06:36.36 | Chikorita | dis iz too crazee . im outta here |
| 06:36.36 | lurgyman | nah |
| 06:36.55 | Chikorita | nite all i suggest lottsa sleep 4 u :) |
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| 07:26.14 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/misc (bzfs_conf.html): make bzfs_conf.html a little less unwieldy |
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| 08:06.19 | bomber | moin |
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| 13:57.39 | Noodleman | ~sfsnap |
| 13:57.41 | | extra, extra, read all about it, sfsnap is http://sfsnap.babylonia.flatirons.org/bzflag/ |
| 14:00.20 | Noodleman | does anyone know how to get 1.7 cvs? |
| 14:00.31 | Noodleman | sf seems to be b0rked |
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| 14:44.28 | doughecka | nope |
| 14:44.48 | doughecka | do you know where to get bzadmin for 1.7? |
| 14:45.13 | Noodleman | if i could find where to get 1.7 cvs i would :-) |
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| 15:21.45 | Bagheera | God Aften, [dmp] |
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| 15:44.23 | Tupone | hi all |
| 15:44.50 | Tupone | learner: poke |
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| 16:07.48 | Bagheera | dang, Red Hat is discontinueing maintainence and errata on all versions up to 8.0 as of December 31 |
| 16:08.15 | Bagheera | Red Hat will discontinue maintenance and errata support for |
| 16:08.15 | Bagheera | Red Hat Linux 9 as of April 30, 2004. Red Hat does not plan to release |
| 16:08.15 | Bagheera | another product in the Red Hat Linux line. |
| 16:09.50 | Bagheera | http://www.redhat.com/solutions/migration/rhl/rhn/ |
| 16:10.14 | Noodleman | they are concentrating on Fedora |
| 16:10.21 | Noodleman | http://fedora.redhat.com/ |
| 16:12.43 | Noodleman | ok, maybe they are concentrating on enterprise linux, and letting the community concentrate on fedora |
| 16:14.12 | Bagheera | sounds like they dont want to deal with the public/commercial products anymore |
| 16:14.21 | Noodleman | hehe |
| 16:15.52 | Noodleman | man, don't they let you download netscape 4 anymore? |
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| 16:19.11 | Bagheera | dang the really T's me off, most of my entitlements go until sept next year... |
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| 16:32.54 | Noodleman | TimRiker: i've got a design idea for a t-shirt; would you like to see it? |
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| 17:14.58 | Noodleman | http://www.noodleroni.com/got-GM.jpg |
| 17:42.56 | Nidhoggr | that's really cute |
| 17:44.45 | Nidhoggr | Bags, i was really p-o'd because they had the nerve to send me a notice that they were disabling all my entitlements because I didn't give them payment info for one of them to renew, and they aren't going to support it anyway. |
| 17:44.58 | Nidhoggr | I usually keep about 5 entitlements current. |
| 17:45.25 | Nidhoggr | won't need RHN any more. |
| 17:45.31 | Nidhoggr | *spit* |
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| 17:51.55 | [dmp] | ~d |
| 18:08.40 | Bagheera | Nidhoggr: I am there with ya......I have four right now, most run till sept of next year......so basically its wasted money |
| 18:09.33 | Bagheera | ....and have you seen the prices on the enterprize stuff.....holy mother of pearl... |
| 18:16.44 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 18:16.47 | Nidhoggr | try yum. |
| 18:16.48 | Nidhoggr | it's free |
| 18:16.50 | Nidhoggr | and it works |
| 18:17.17 | Bagheera | yum? |
| 18:17.42 | Nidhoggr | http://linux.duke.edu/projects/yum/index.ptml |
| 18:17.50 | Nidhoggr | like rhn, but free |
| 18:18.57 | Nidhoggr | we use it at work. |
| 18:20.22 | Bagheera | looks interesting, thnx |
| 18:20.51 | Nidhoggr | no problem |
| 18:21.35 | Nidhoggr | I just couldn't beleive their nerve to ask for more money when they knew the product was end-of-lifing |
| 18:21.41 | Nidhoggr | that's nearly criminal |
| 18:22.50 | Bagheera | wish i had made that realization earlier.....before i went that route..... |
| 18:23.16 | Bagheera | then again, i could always go sussi I guess.....if they are still around |
| 18:26.25 | Nidhoggr | the fedora project specifically talks about using yum for updates. |
| 18:26.25 | Nidhoggr | so fedora might be the way to go. |
| 18:26.26 | Bagheera | nah, I refuse to support a group that pulls "stuff" like this....I might keep the existing machines red hat, but the new ones will be something else |
| 18:27.13 | Nidhoggr | it might be interesting to maintain an independent distro |
| 18:27.22 | Nidhoggr | streamlined for servers |
| 18:28.07 | Nidhoggr | I might start testing distributions just for fun. |
| 18:28.24 | Nidhoggr | I've avoided Mandrake, because that's my last name IRL |
| 18:28.33 | Nidhoggr | just because it'd be a cliche |
| 18:28.34 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 18:28.35 | Bagheera | for me, most of these linux machines are local compute/work stations, so long as they can see each other with samba it will be workable |
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| 18:29.09 | Bagheera | chik, shouldnt you be studying now |
| 18:29.33 | Chikorita | i have class in 1 hour so i have alil time :) |
| 18:29.46 | Chikorita | btw hi bags |
| 18:29.46 | Nidhoggr | I just did a 'service rhnsd stop' on my machines... and biffed the rc file. |
| 18:30.31 | Bagheera | ....have you noticed your machines hanging a little after stopping the service...?? |
| 18:30.57 | Nidhoggr | nope. |
| 18:30.58 | Nidhoggr | not really. |
| 18:31.02 | Nidhoggr | afk for about 10 mins. |
| 18:31.33 | Bagheera | I had one here that has this "memory" of rhnd, and just gets lost for a bit every reboot |
| 18:31.58 | Bagheera | not sure what i did to fix it, but it has been fine that last couple times |
| 18:32.12 | Bagheera | must have been the hammer :) |
| 18:32.23 | Chikorita | hammer time |
| 18:32.27 | Chikorita | heehe |
| 18:32.41 | Bagheera | Chikorita: dont go there chik....spent time cleaning that up this weekend |
| 18:32.46 | Chikorita | aww |
| 18:33.01 | Bagheera | bunch of little sob's.....time to get my old man cane out |
| 18:33.11 | Chikorita | LoL bags |
| 18:33.34 | Chikorita | hey i wish wee had peeps like u givin out full size candy bars |
| 18:35.07 | Chikorita | dey r mean lil kids dat egg ur house |
| 18:35.07 | Chikorita | or teenagers |
| 18:35.07 | Bagheera | teens i think...... |
| 18:35.07 | Chikorita | ya prolly |
| 18:35.08 | Bagheera | most of the little kids in the neighborhood were quite happy after the treat distribution |
| 18:35.08 | Chikorita | i ate all my candy :( |
| 18:35.33 | Bagheera | yeah, the leftovers in my house have been horribly tempting |
| 18:35.49 | Bagheera | 4 4"x6" bars, and a bunch of reeses cups |
| 18:36.22 | Chikorita | there was dis 1 house in our hood dat was like a spooky house u go inside an it like a theme park |
| 18:36.33 | Chikorita | mm reeses cups |
| 18:36.45 | Chikorita | ibot: botsnack reeses cup |
| 18:36.45 | | :), Chikorita |
| 18:36.50 | Chikorita | :) |
| 18:37.04 | Bagheera | my nephew did that in IN., but then some older kids came along and stole all the candy and broke everything.... |
| 18:37.17 | Chikorita | our neighborhood iz so kewl ...most house really go into da halloween spirit |
| 18:37.23 | Chikorita | aww bags |
| 18:37.31 | Chikorita | dat sux0rs |
| 18:37.34 | Bagheera | not a good year for the bag clan |
| 18:37.45 | Chikorita | dang dem punks ... |
| 18:37.47 | Chikorita | 'LoL |
| 18:38.14 | Bagheera | my little nephew was in tears, they beat up one of the older friends |
| 18:38.21 | Chikorita | o noo |
| 18:38.30 | Chikorita | dats terrible |
| 18:38.38 | Chikorita | halloween suppose 2 b fun |
| 18:39.13 | Bagheera | yeah, but the teen angst we see in bzflag was well represented out there.......hmmmm, maybe it was spiff |
| 18:39.23 | Bagheera | ...j/k |
| 18:39.27 | Chikorita | lol |
| 18:39.39 | Chikorita | :P |
| 18:39.42 | Chikorita | o u kno wut |
| 18:39.48 | Chikorita | i went 2 dis 1 house.. |
| 18:40.07 | Chikorita | an outside was this frankstein statue |
| 18:40.21 | Chikorita | i went up to it an touched it ... |
| 18:40.51 | Chikorita | and wen i did dat it started dancing an playin loud music |
| 18:41.02 | Chikorita | skeered da crap outta mee LoL |
| 18:41.36 | Chikorita | everything in dat house wen u touch it it would dance an make music |
| 18:42.14 | Chikorita | like there was dis skeleton dat would dance an play "funkytown" wen u walked near it |
| 18:42.17 | Chikorita | lol bags |
| 18:42.17 | daBomb | :) |
| 18:42.22 | Chikorita | hi daBBy! |
| 18:42.26 | daBomb | hello :) |
| 18:42.46 | Bagheera | gosh, i actually remember Funkytown playing on the radio.... |
| 18:42.51 | daBomb | was curious what that franky did do:) |
| 18:43.03 | Chikorita | lol |
| 18:43.36 | Chikorita | *sigh* |
| 18:43.53 | Chikorita | ~d |
| 18:44.10 | daBomb | two free slots out there ... |
| 18:44.24 | Chikorita | hmm |
| 18:44.33 | daBomb | should we? ... :) |
| 18:44.40 | Chikorita | im not havin a good bz day :P |
| 18:44.47 | daBomb | o |
| 18:44.50 | Chikorita | buh okies i follow u :) |
| 18:44.55 | Chikorita | ~daBomb |
| 18:44.56 | | [dabomb] daTeam Captain of daPolish Flying Squad |
| 18:45.00 | Chikorita | heehe |
| 18:45.01 | daBomb | :))) |
| 18:45.06 | Chikorita | :) |
| 18:45.09 | Chikorita | k c u there |
| 18:45.10 | daBomb | kewl (?) :) |
| 18:45.13 | daBomb | okies |
| 18:45.18 | Chikorita | bye bags |
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| 19:06.33 | Noodleman | i'm back! |
| 19:06.37 | Noodleman | muwahahaha! |
| 19:08.34 | Patlabor221 | aww crap hide the chickens |
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| 19:14.13 | Tupone | TimRiker: got my message? |
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| 19:47.49 | TimRiker | Tupone: we should really send the height like we do for boxes. |
| 19:48.44 | Tupone | Yeah! but hix2 map become ugly. We should do both; raise the base height and do the protocol break. do you agree? |
| 19:49.50 | Tupone | I do the first, now! |
| 19:50.02 | [dmp] | ~d |
| 19:50.06 | Tupone | second :) break protocol |
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| 20:05.07 | Noodleman | w00! |
| 20:21.18 | Noodleman | hehe |
| 20:21.29 | Bagheera | throw a little cheese and taragon/lettuce on that and you have a good BLT |
| 20:21.45 | Patlabor221 | heh |
| 20:21.51 | Patlabor221 | polygon sandwtich |
| 20:22.16 | Noodleman | http://www.noodleroni.com/got-GM_small_white.jog |
| 20:22.19 | Noodleman | http://www.noodleroni.com/got-GM_small_white.jpg |
| 20:22.22 | Noodleman | typo |
| 20:22.47 | Patlabor221 | we need a better splosion |
| 20:23.00 | Noodleman | that's for a white t-shirt |
| 20:23.04 | Noodleman | yeah, maybe |
| 20:23.16 | scanline | that explosion has a total of maybe 8 pixels on it :P |
| 20:23.24 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 20:23.31 | Patlabor221 | fun with inerploation |
| 20:23.35 | Noodleman | hehe |
| 20:24.04 | Noodleman | but, that's the only way bzflag does them isn't it? |
| 20:24.16 | Patlabor221 | yeah, it's all sprite based |
| 20:24.30 | Patlabor221 | well billboards |
| 20:24.34 | Patlabor221 | just like the flags |
| 20:24.46 | Noodleman | and i wouldn't like using an explosion that wasn't from bzflag itself :-\ |
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| 20:42.42 | Patlabor221 | captain_proton, there is new stuff in navi for you. |
| 20:44.06 | TimRiker | Patlabor221: add tank pieces? |
| 20:44.30 | Patlabor221 | yeah tank parts wuld look good in that image |
| 20:44.53 | Patlabor221 | I really should fix that tank |
| 20:45.15 | Patlabor221 | cap all the parts and all |
| 20:45.49 | Patlabor221 | would you be ok with adding a couple more triangles to the tank? |
| 20:46.51 | TimRiker | for the shirt? or in the game? |
| 20:46.57 | Patlabor221 | for the game |
| 20:47.10 | TimRiker | I'd like to move to external moduls soon. |
| 20:47.18 | TimRiker | er models |
| 20:47.21 | Patlabor221 | that's a larger change |
| 20:47.39 | Tupone | TimRiker: would be good to ask bzfls giving a specific version and not selecting in bzflag? |
| 20:47.50 | Patlabor221 | for that to work proper, the glState tracker and texture manamagment needs a lot of changes |
| 20:48.00 | TimRiker | minor tweaks to the existing ones are fine with me as long as the simple versions stay simple. |
| 20:48.01 | Patlabor221 | big rips |
| 20:48.13 | Noodleman | http://fomalhaut.noodleroni.com/comics/Zits-2003.11.03 |
| 20:48.32 | TimRiker | Tupone: yes. action=LIST should probably pass a network version. |
| 20:48.47 | Tupone | yeah! I mean that! |
| 20:48.48 | Patlabor221 | the shape would nto really change, just add some caps for the open edges so it doesn't look hollow when it blows up. for a 1.10, then do external models later |
| 20:49.20 | Tupone | I'm going to 1.9.9 so it's a good time to test that |
| 20:50.59 | Patlabor221 | tho somone has to figure out what is jacked with the GL state now. I looked, and can't for the life of me find out what it is. |
| 20:51.35 | Tupone | When it worked? 1.7? |
| 20:51.40 | Patlabor221 | something is not setting the colors properly for some of the mountan panels, and often the frame buffer gets screwed |
| 20:51.51 | Patlabor221 | yeah, worked in early versions of 1.9 as well |
| 20:52.25 | Tupone | cant'you get old version time to time and see when? |
| 20:52.38 | Patlabor221 | a lot has changed |
| 20:52.47 | Patlabor221 | Tupone, I know how to debug, it's just a mess |
| 20:53.07 | Patlabor221 | a lot has been reorged too, so it may have busted it |
| 20:53.14 | Tupone | I'm sure you know! Just remind that there is always a way :) |
| 20:53.15 | Patlabor221 | the current state system is very order dependent |
| 20:53.31 | Patlabor221 | I know there is a way, but you have to weigh time vs effort |
| 20:53.55 | Patlabor221 | the current state system can actualy slow down rendering on more modern cards |
| 20:54.02 | Patlabor221 | it's all set up for software rendering. |
| 20:54.34 | Patlabor221 | and old SGI hardware |
| 20:55.02 | Tupone | what means Software rendering? Mesa or something different? |
| 20:55.27 | Patlabor221 | no, like OpenGL that doesn't have a hardware implementation |
| 20:55.37 | Tupone | No openGL at all ? |
| 20:55.45 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 20:55.46 | Patlabor221 | full open GL |
| 20:55.52 | Patlabor221 | just not in video hardware |
| 20:55.55 | Patlabor221 | CPU does it all |
| 20:56.10 | Patlabor221 | the default GL implemnation that windows ships with is software |
| 20:56.23 | Patlabor221 | SGI made an optimised software version as well |
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| 20:56.38 | Patlabor221 | all verisons of windows from 95+ have openGL |
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| 20:56.56 | Tupone | Mesa I think is the same for Unix. It isn't? |
| 20:57.07 | Patlabor221 | mesa does have a software implementation yes |
| 20:57.16 | Patlabor221 | and a GL like API |
| 20:57.26 | Patlabor221 | but it's a difrent product |
| 20:57.31 | Patlabor221 | it's not "true" GL |
| 20:57.35 | Patlabor221 | it's just GL compatable |
| 20:57.38 | Tupone | understand |
| 20:57.53 | Tupone | it hasn't the trademark |
| 20:58.10 | Patlabor221 | some of the state changes that are currently done can cause a full cache flush on some cards/OS/implemenations |
| 20:58.33 | Patlabor221 | and with modern cards, there is no reason to expose all the difrent texture modes |
| 20:58.51 | Patlabor221 | usualy it's ok to have Textures: off, low, med, and high |
| 20:59.31 | Patlabor221 | noone is gonna do nearest, mipmpap, linear |
| 20:59.44 | Patlabor221 | when it's the same speed for triliniar |
| 21:00.23 | Tupone | didn't seen trilinear in the option |
| 21:00.36 | Patlabor221 | liniar mipmap liniar |
| 21:00.49 | Tupone | IC |
| 21:01.01 | CIA | 03atupone * 12bzflag/ (6 files in 5 dirs): height of bases goes into the wire |
| 21:01.21 | Patlabor221 | it's just mos people have hardware now, I'm not saying drop software, but at least optimise for hardware |
| 21:01.59 | Tupone | so when someone says remove software rendering means not caring at software rendered machine? |
| 21:02.11 | Patlabor221 | I feel that state changes, and the visibility algorythm are the bigest slowdowns of the system now. |
| 21:02.34 | Patlabor221 | BZ does not do it's own rendering in any form |
| 21:02.38 | Patlabor221 | so there is nothing to remove |
| 21:02.52 | Patlabor221 | it's just what you target performace wise |
| 21:03.13 | Patlabor221 | like how the difrent sizes of tanks are drawn |
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| 21:03.24 | Patlabor221 | did you know we keep like 5 copys of the geometry around |
| 21:03.28 | Patlabor221 | one at each scale |
| 21:03.37 | Patlabor221 | when just a simple glScale will work |
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| 21:03.44 | Patlabor221 | and be wicked fast on hardware |
| 21:03.56 | Patlabor221 | instead we blow 5x the card ram on the difrent lists |
| 21:04.10 | Tupone | glScale does not work on old machine? |
| 21:04.19 | Patlabor221 | sure it does |
| 21:04.24 | Patlabor221 | it's just not as fast as 5 lists |
| 21:04.44 | Patlabor221 | all gl implemnations have to have all features work to be certified |
| 21:05.06 | Tupone | there's a way to render character better than with texture? |
| 21:05.06 | Patlabor221 | now on modern machines with the poly counts we are pusing, the speed dif isn't much |
| 21:05.14 | Patlabor221 | you mean text? |
| 21:05.19 | Tupone | yeah |
| 21:05.37 | Patlabor221 | textures are the fastest way, there are other ways that look better then how BZ does it |
| 21:05.43 | Patlabor221 | Scanline has one way |
| 21:05.45 | Patlabor221 | I have one way |
| 21:05.50 | Patlabor221 | and there are others |
| 21:05.59 | Patlabor221 | most use textures in some way |
| 21:06.10 | Tupone | I'm thinking about internationalization. We cannot do fully now! |
| 21:06.12 | Patlabor221 | Scanline's is rather prudry lookin |
| 21:06.26 | Patlabor221 | yes, using the font like BZ does makes that hard. |
| 21:06.32 | captain_proton | scanline's is extremely purdy :) |
| 21:06.32 | Tupone | character set is limited |
| 21:06.38 | Patlabor221 | the good systems will render the text out to a texture |
| 21:06.49 | Patlabor221 | or render the entire character set at runtime. |
| 21:07.19 | Patlabor221 | My system uses a predefined texture, but it supports more then 128 characters |
| 21:07.29 | Patlabor221 | so it's a bit of a hybrid |
| 21:08.27 | Patlabor221 | and it can use more then one size of texture as a source to get the best inerpolation. |
| 21:09.11 | Tupone | but rendering all the katana character will be hard. ( i don't know what they are :) ) |
| 21:09.19 | Patlabor221 | yes it can be |
| 21:09.41 | Patlabor221 | for asian langs it's often best to render the string to a texture when the string is made |
| 21:09.53 | Patlabor221 | then just use that texture as long as you need that string at that size |
| 21:10.08 | Patlabor221 | little slower, but allways looks good |
| 21:10.44 | Tupone | So you change the texture only when it scroll down |
| 21:11.00 | Patlabor221 | no, only when the text changes |
| 21:11.13 | Patlabor221 | a scroll just changes the position on the screen |
| 21:11.19 | Patlabor221 | it's the same text and same texture |
| 21:11.25 | Patlabor221 | you just move it |
| 21:11.44 | Tupone | I meant scrolling down off the screen :) |
| 21:11.52 | Patlabor221 | then you don't need it anymore |
| 21:11.55 | Patlabor221 | and you kill it |
| 21:11.57 | Tupone | yeah! |
| 21:13.42 | Patlabor221 | this is another reason I feel the texture system needs to be redone |
| 21:13.59 | Patlabor221 | should be able to define them at run time, ether from file or from mem |
| 21:14.10 | Patlabor221 | right now, they are only loaded at startup |
| 21:14.15 | Patlabor221 | from a fixed list |
| 21:14.40 | Patlabor221 | I also think a texture should not be loaded till it's used |
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| 21:36.29 | Mayhem | hi david_v |
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| 21:44.53 | Nidhoggr | need a feature for admins to wall someone in an invisible force so that when they shoot, they hit themselves. |
| 21:45.01 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 21:48.24 | david_v | Mayhem: hey, i was using BZ... brb, trying to arrange a match |
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| 23:07.21 | sn0w_d0ggy | hey all |
| 23:12.55 | sn0w_d0ggy | ~whaleslap Bagheera |
| 23:12.58 | | ACTION slaps Bagheera upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
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| 23:38.44 | Sadistic-SMP | anyone out there know how to make a computer with a radeon 9000 pro run bzflag faster? for the life of me, i can't get it to run fast, and i've done everything listed on DRI's website. |
| 23:39.09 | Patlabor221 | Get an Nvidia :) |
| 23:39.36 | Patlabor221 | doesn't ATI have drivers for that thing? |
| 23:39.38 | Sadistic-SMP | Patlabor221: i can see that lol, but seriously, does anyone in here use a radeon? |
| 23:39.56 | Patlabor221 | I had one, a 9700, pitched it. |
| 23:39.56 | Sadistic-SMP | Patlabor221: i'm using slackware, and ati does have drivers, but they're rpm's, and they won't work right on slackware. |
| 23:40.14 | Patlabor221 | dono then |
| 23:40.32 | Patlabor221 | what frame rate are you getting? |
| 23:48.40 | TimRiker | Sadistic-SMP: what does it say on startup that it's using for a driver? |
| 23:57.29 | Bagheera | TimRiker, whats your take on people who rejoin just to gain advantage on xmission.... |
| 23:57.49 | Bagheera | its not really a cheat..... |
