| 00:00.10 | TyroneFHornigh | No frowns though. |
| 00:00.10 | brlcad | those are darn tiny |
| 00:00.23 | TyroneFHornigh | Make your font larger :P |
| 00:00.42 | brlcad | I did just to see what it was :) |
| 00:01.07 | RikerTim | ⌢ and ☹ are both frowns |
| 00:02.00 | brlcad | I prefer the good ol' classic :( when it comes to frownies |
| 00:02.13 | brlcad | ;) |
| 00:03.07 | brlcad | Patlabor221: is that vehile using multitextures (overlays), or is that just one? |
| 00:03.33 | Patlabor221 | it has one texture |
| 00:03.40 | Patlabor221 | tho that is a raytrace render |
| 00:04.27 | brlcad | I gathered the latter, there's some reflectivity in there that ogl doesn't do that well :) |
| 00:05.19 | Patlabor221 | the model system does support mutipass rendering for environment maps tho. I need to make it use multi-texture if available. |
| 00:05.26 | brlcad | Alrighty. Got a reply from the professor now. |
| 00:10.49 | brlcad | http://brlcad.org/tmp/cs470byu.txt and |
| 00:11.00 | brlcad | http://brlcad.org/tmp/cs470byu2.txt now, from the professor |
| 00:12.42 | TyroneFHornigh | Now you're just missing the third email from the other TA. |
| 00:13.02 | brlcad | Indeed. Perhaps MAC received it. |
| 00:13.55 | brlcad | I did receive another short one from David, but it basically said that there are separate bzflag distributions that are significantly different for the first two labs |
| 00:19.26 | brlcad | how do you get a long listing of peoples names without individually whois-ing? |
| 00:20.09 | Patlabor221 | ? |
| 00:21.18 | Patlabor221 | hmmm, I thik I'm gonna have to make a tool soon |
| 00:21.29 | brlcad | thinking about kids eh? |
| 00:21.44 | Patlabor221 | no , model tool |
| 00:21.52 | brlcad | hehe |
| 00:22.11 | Patlabor221 | there is no modeler that will do the link tags I need |
| 00:22.23 | Patlabor221 | so I need something that will add tags to existing models |
| 00:23.37 | Patlabor221 | so that turrets can atach to bodys, and barrels can atach to turrets, and antenas can atach to whatever. and whatnot |
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| 00:27.03 | brlcad | Howdy MAC ;) |
| 00:27.10 | brlcad | so how many days is it now? |
| 00:27.33 | MrApathyCream | t minus 4 |
| 00:28.05 | brlcad | Patlabor221: you could just add a simple text-file wrapper for a bundle of geometry data files |
| 00:31.32 | Patlabor221 | the format itself support the links, code is all done, and stuff. I just need an app to call the class from :) |
| 00:31.52 | brlcad | e.g. turret.blend, antenna.blend, body.blend, etc would all contain geometry, and you'd have an index text file that would describe 1) what files to use 2) what geometry to use from those files and 3) how they all fit together to for a vehicle |
| 00:32.58 | Patlabor221 | that's what the tags do |
| 00:33.04 | Patlabor221 | named tags baby :) |
| 00:33.17 | brlcad | tags are in code? |
| 00:33.18 | Patlabor221 | tags are stored with the meshes, cus the meshes can be animaged |
| 00:33.23 | Patlabor221 | no tags are in the model |
| 00:33.31 | Patlabor221 | a "tag" is kinda like a CS |
| 00:33.42 | brlcad | what is the current modeller? |
| 00:33.46 | brlcad | lightwave? |
| 00:33.51 | Patlabor221 | what ever you want |
| 00:34.04 | Patlabor221 | the class supports reading in of a number of formats |
| 00:34.07 | Patlabor221 | 4 I think |
| 00:34.26 | Patlabor221 | tho not all formats have tags |
| 00:34.31 | Patlabor221 | that's why I want a modleer |
| 00:34.37 | Patlabor221 | well not a modeler |
| 00:34.43 | Patlabor221 | more like a layout tool |
| 00:34.51 | Patlabor221 | to see how all the parts go together |
| 00:34.53 | brlcad | Okay, that's a better word :) |
| 00:34.56 | Patlabor221 | and build up the skin files |
| 00:35.08 | brlcad | Writing a modeller could easily suck up way too much time |
| 00:35.09 | Patlabor221 | cus sins can be made with multiplle passes |
| 00:35.12 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 00:35.45 | Patlabor221 | this would take modles made in the formats, let you add/change tags set skins and save it as the AMF format |
| 00:35.46 | brlcad | Something that imported geometry and supported reading the tags if they are there, and assigning them if they are not is cool, though |
| 00:35.57 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 00:36.07 | Patlabor221 | the base model class can do all that |
| 00:36.17 | Patlabor221 | like I say I just need an app that has an interface for it all |
| 00:36.19 | Patlabor221 | and some output |
| 00:36.39 | brlcad | AMF? |
| 00:36.47 | Patlabor221 | Animated Model Format |
| 00:37.02 | Patlabor221 | it's the one format that can store all things the class can do |
| 00:37.05 | Patlabor221 | it's my own format |
| 00:37.21 | Patlabor221 | but the class can read OBJ, UT, and Q3a |
| 00:37.31 | Patlabor221 | OBJ has no animations or tags |
| 00:37.36 | Patlabor221 | UT has no tags or normals |
| 00:37.41 | Patlabor221 | Q3 has no normals |
| 00:37.51 | Patlabor221 | so you use those as import formats |
| 00:37.59 | Patlabor221 | posibly generate normals ( the class can do that too ) |
| 00:38.04 | Patlabor221 | add tags and whatnot |
| 00:38.09 | Patlabor221 | then save the parts as AMF |
| 00:38.13 | brlcad | ah. amf is also a music format and an academic metadata format acronym :) |
| 00:38.20 | Patlabor221 | heh |
| 00:38.31 | Patlabor221 | the name can change, I made it up :) |
| 00:39.04 | brlcad | time for me to fly |
| 00:39.06 | brlcad | cya |
| 00:39.09 | Patlabor221 | have fun |
| 00:39.10 | MrApathyCream | auto mechanics foundation |
| 00:39.14 | Patlabor221 | don't let your arms get tired |
| 00:39.34 | Patlabor221 | YAH it's on the last set of AA passes :) |
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| 00:39.44 | Patlabor221 | 2 more to do :) |
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| 00:40.13 | brlcad | MAC: http://brlcad.org/tmp/cs470byu.txt and cs470byu2.txt |
| 00:40.35 | brlcad | You got the first, the second is from the prof. |
| 00:40.48 | MrApathyCream | k |
| 00:47.18 | Patlabor221 | http://jeffm.bakadigital.com/render_0003copy.jpg |
| 00:50.16 | [dmp] | night |
| 00:50.35 | Patlabor221 | may be able to get open GL to do that :) |
| 00:51.33 | MrApathyCream | how long did that take to render? |
| 00:53.16 | Patlabor221 | bout 40 min |
| 00:53.17 | Bags | cool, does it come in magenta..... |
| 00:53.28 | Patlabor221 | I made a blue and red skin for it |
| 00:54.08 | Bags | haha |
| 00:54.30 | MrApathyCream | well that should keep up with my internet connection :) |
| 00:55.23 | Patlabor221 | heh |
| 00:55.34 | Patlabor221 | the reflections take the longest |
| 00:55.46 | MrApathyCream | yah |
| 00:55.49 | Patlabor221 | should have probably turned up the smothing too |
| 00:56.56 | MrApathyCream | the thing needs some dents |
| 00:58.27 | Patlabor221 | it's got some scraches in it |
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| 01:03.40 | MrApathyCream | anydownloads Patlabor221? |
| 01:04.05 | Patlabor221 | ask nidhoger, he's the one with the site |
| 01:04.11 | Patlabor221 | tho there were a number of views |
| 01:04.29 | JBDiGriz | i checked it out to make sure it was working. :) |
| 01:04.54 | Patlabor221 | http://jeffm.bakadigital.com/sample1copy.jpg |
| 01:05.49 | JBDiGriz | That render is much better. |
| 01:06.11 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 01:06.12 | Patlabor221 | http://jeffm.bakadigital.com/render_0003copy.jpg |
| 01:06.15 | Patlabor221 | that's it full size |
| 01:14.45 | Patlabor221 | JBDiGriz can you ssh now? |
| 01:16.05 | Patlabor221 | or ftp? |
| 01:16.09 | Patlabor221 | or even web? |
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| 01:20.55 | MrApathyCream | you guys near colorado city/hillvale? |
| 01:21.01 | MrApathyCream | on dateline |
| 01:23.46 | Patlabor221 | mac can you see if you can ssh to a server for me? |
| 01:24.00 | MrApathyCream | k |
| 01:24.06 | Patlabor221 | asgard.bakadigital.com |
| 01:25.21 | MrApathyCream | no connection |
| 01:25.25 | MrApathyCream | with putty |
| 01:25.28 | Patlabor221 | phooo |
| 01:29.31 | Patlabor221 | can you try again? |
| 01:30.47 | MrApathyCream | k |
| 01:31.55 | MrApathyCream | nuttin |
| 01:32.05 | Patlabor221 | hmm |
| 01:32.46 | Patlabor221 | can you get to www.bakadigital.com? |
| 01:34.04 | MrApathyCream | yes |
| 01:36.46 | Patlabor221 | HA |
| 01:36.53 | Patlabor221 | I am soo stupid |
| 01:38.40 | MrApathyCream | bbiab |
| 01:40.36 | Patlabor221 | should work now |
| 01:40.50 | Patlabor221 | helps if it's pluged into the proper hub |
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| 02:00.55 | STE_aka_SGI | hi |
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| 02:17.13 | Big_Barrel | hey dudes |
| 02:17.16 | Big_Barrel | come to quol |
| 02:17.24 | Big_Barrel | and lets do some CTF action :) |
| 02:26.07 | MrApathyCream | SSH works!! |
| 02:32.44 | learner | weee.. /me returns |
| 02:32.51 | learner | ~quol |
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| 02:41.05 | MrApathyCream | gonkulator and his horde of lurkers |
| 02:43.54 | bryjen | a few more instances and he could be a horde all by himself ;) |
| 02:44.25 | Quol | hello all |
| 02:44.28 | MrApathyCream | lo |
| 02:44.39 | Quol | what's up MAC |
| 02:44.47 | MrApathyCream | my cholesterol |
| 02:44.56 | Quol | I hear that cherios can fix that |
| 02:45.39 | bryjen | frrrosted frrrakes! |
| 02:46.00 | Quol | I don't know if that will lower your cholesterol though bryjen :) |
| 02:46.11 | Quol | but I hear that they are great :) |
| 02:46.29 | bryjen | serial humor |
| 02:46.45 | Quol | making me hungry |
| 02:48.12 | bryjen | its nice to have dreams ;) |
| 02:48.28 | Quol | still no luck with beta testers MAC? |
| 02:49.03 | Quol | when I have some free time, I will try to organize a good beta test - Maybe a new server and a competition to see who the FFA king is would e a good idea? |
| 02:57.20 | Quol | well - that's good night for me folks - see ya later |
| 02:57.27 | Big_Barrel | hi quol |
| 02:57.45 | Big_Barrel | r u there? |
| 02:57.47 | Big_Barrel | durn |
| 03:06.12 | MrApathyCream | Quol_detached, yup no testers |
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| 03:18.23 | MrApathyCream | Patlabor221, with tortoise i tried changing ssh app to putty |
| 03:18.28 | MrApathyCream | now i get invalid port |
| 03:18.40 | MrApathyCream | In E:\bz\bz_cvs\bzflag: cvs update -d -P |
| 03:18.40 | MrApathyCream | CVSROOT=:ext:dbrosius@cvs.bzflag.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/bzflag |
| 03:18.40 | MrApathyCream | cvs [update aborted]: end of file from server (consult above messages if any) |
| 03:18.43 | MrApathyCream | Error, CVS operation failed |
| 03:18.47 | MrApathyCream | think i'm any closer? |
| 03:18.56 | Patlabor221 | dono |
| 03:19.00 | Patlabor221 | never had any errors |
| 03:19.04 | Patlabor221 | I did it and it just worked |
| 03:19.11 | MrApathyCream | scoundrel |
| 03:19.18 | MrApathyCream | what is your ssh app, the default? |
| 03:19.26 | Patlabor221 | there has to be something about configing it to work with SF |
| 03:19.27 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 03:19.39 | Patlabor221 | the plink thing they ship with it |
| 03:19.50 | MrApathyCream | grrr |
| 03:20.58 | Patlabor221 | http://www.tortoisecvs.org/faq.html#sourceforge |
| 03:21.02 | Patlabor221 | they have an article |
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| 03:23.52 | Alan1 | now where is that frizbie? |
| 03:40.51 | Bags | anybody awake out there? |
| 03:42.15 | Alan1 | nope |
| 03:42.53 | Bags | good glad to know that everyone is getting a good nights sleep |
| 03:43.09 | Alan1 | I have to go back to work in a bit |
| 03:43.17 | Alan1 | then rest up for a long day of FFT tomrow |
| 03:43.32 | Bags | FFT? |
| 03:44.05 | Alan1 | Final Fantasy Tactics |
| 03:44.36 | Bags | haha, never could get into that.....good luck |
| 03:44.58 | Alan1 | this would be my second time thru |
| 03:45.02 | Alan1 | FFT rocked |
| 03:45.29 | Alan1 | sadly I won't be able to work on, this |
| 03:45.30 | Alan1 | http://jeffm.bakadigital.com/render_0003copy.jpg |
| 03:46.15 | Bags | you have entirely too much free time......but then look who is talking |
| 03:46.29 | Alan1 | I didn't make the model |
| 03:46.33 | Alan1 | just did the render |
| 03:46.41 | Alan1 | I need to seperate it out tho |
| 03:47.21 | Bags | very nice |
| 03:47.34 | Bags | like the yellow warning patch |
| 03:48.00 | Alan1 | I think the skinmaping needs to be totaly redone |
| 03:48.52 | Bags | on the front two claws??......they dont look as "real" as the other parts it seems |
| 03:49.28 | Alan1 | shadow |
| 03:49.39 | Alan1 | http://jeffm.bakadigital.com/render_0002copy.jpg |
| 03:49.49 | Alan1 | http://jeffm.bakadigital.com/render_0001copy.jpg |
| 03:50.37 | Bags | i can barely make anything out in the 0002, is 0001 the starting/mid way point |
| 03:50.59 | Alan1 | http://jeffm.bakadigital.com/HT8.jpg |
| 03:51.15 | Alan1 | that's more like what it looks like in basic openGL |
| 03:52.29 | Alan1 | I think I had the specular too high in #2 |
| 03:53.08 | Bags | ok, then 0003 is the best......ht8 looks like a buddy of mine's high school chemistry notebook |
| 03:53.24 | Alan1 | same model just difrent renderers |
| 03:54.03 | Alan1 | in game it would look more like #1 |
| 03:54.12 | Alan1 | tho there the lights are odd |
| 03:55.28 | Bags | not an expert there.... |
| 03:56.49 | Bags | oh well, good luck.....and go to starbucks before you head back to work....you will probably need it |
| 03:57.04 | Alan1 | I'm just going to lock up |
| 03:57.05 | Alan1 | not work |
| 03:57.13 | Bags | aaahhh |
| 03:57.36 | Bags | we now have a Clu |
| 03:58.24 | Bags | time to blow things up |
| 03:58.33 | Bags | g-night |
| 04:09.57 | JBDiGriz | No one is around 1.9 I wonder if they're hanging around 1.7. |
| 04:10.19 | Clu | ~quol |
| 04:10.24 | JBDiGriz | ~dict proque |
| 04:10.48 | Clu | por qué? |
| 04:10.55 | JBDiGriz | ~dict confecture |
| 04:11.25 | MrApathyCream | ~spell confecture |
| 04:11.28 | | possible spellings for confecture: conjecture conjecturer confect conjectured conjectures confects convective configure convector cincture convected |
| 04:11.37 | MrApathyCream | !! |
| 04:11.40 | MrApathyCream | 1) |
| 04:13.40 | Clu | nobody playing ctf :( |
| 04:14.26 | JBDiGriz | or much of anything else. I think I'll go to bed early and head to the computer swap meet in the morning. |
| 04:15.00 | MrApathyCream | me too |
| 04:15.27 | JBDiGriz | I doubt he's going to the swap meet ;) |
| 04:15.47 | Clu | what's the/a swap meet? |
| 04:16.44 | JBDiGriz | A bunch of people with hardware and or old software gather at a drive in at 5:30am and try to sell it to a bunch of geeks who spend the rest of the day playing with linux/FreeBSD/bzflag ;) |
| 04:20.37 | Clu | hehe |
| 04:21.07 | JBDiGriz | I've picked up some good hard drives and other various pieces there. I haven't gone in about a year. |
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| 05:53.50 | Big_Barrel | ~whois Big_Barrel |
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| 06:38.40 | captain_proton | what an entertaining evening |
| 06:42.20 | learner | indeed |
| 06:43.05 | captain_proton | hardwire & gonk came and visited, and we all went spelunking (sortof) |
| 06:46.21 | captain_proton | not bad |
| 06:47.46 | learner | getting close to that paramount league of programs larger than 100K lines ;) |
| 06:51.07 | scanline | so... |
| 06:51.10 | scanline | this is the picture of the day: |
| 06:51.16 | scanline | http://navi.picogui.org/images/spelunking/im000813.jpg |
| 06:51.35 | captain_proton | that's gonk-sleepy stealing hardwire's wallet, after already having stolen his belt |
| 06:51.42 | captain_proton | (taking advantage of hardwire being stuck) |
| 06:51.43 | captain_proton | :) |
| 06:51.51 | scanline | captain_proton: aww, you're supposed to let them guess |
| 06:52.03 | captain_proton | heh |
| 06:52.21 | scanline | =) |
| 06:53.40 | learner | lol |
| 06:54.18 | learner | Oo. But he didn't go for the blade :) |
| 06:55.29 | learner | Probably would have insued hilarity had you ran off with the poor boys pants as well =) |
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| 07:19.28 | scanline | oh no, we have guests |
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| 07:23.09 | scanline | ugh, CGI IRC? |
| 07:23.25 | scanline | wacky... |
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| 10:01.53 | henning | hey |
| 10:02.03 | henning | how can i shot with missels? |
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| 13:26.34 | CapN | Howdy all. |
| 13:27.37 | Chestal | hi CapN |
| 13:28.21 | CapN | hey Chestal, its been awhile, how have you been. I saw you playing briefly the other day. |
| 13:28.26 | CapN | but didnt have time to say Hi. |
| 13:29.12 | Chestal | same old here. You've been busy or not in the mood to play? |
| 13:30.32 | CapN | both really, got really busy in August/early Sep. then kinda lost the mood to play. |
| 13:30.47 | CapN | been playing recently though, mostly aliased i guess. |
| 13:30.57 | [dmp] | Hi CapN |
| 13:31.02 | CapN | Hi dmp |
| 13:32.05 | [dmp] | My mood for playing goes extremly up'n'down lately. I wonder why |
| 13:32.21 | [dmp] | It was much easier when it just was up :) |
| 13:33.06 | CapN | well...I have felt the same thing, many times over the years, Its always seemed weird to me why that is. But in the end |
| 13:33.20 | CapN | i'm glad i have stuck around....and good to see you have too. |
| 13:33.55 | henning | how can i get missels? |
| 13:34.50 | [dmp] | henning, you need to pick up the GM flag to get that |
| 13:35.42 | henning | ah thnx |
| 13:35.53 | CapN | i thought you got those down at the beach....stuck on the rocks?? |
| 13:36.25 | CapN | get it....mussels....hee hee har har |
| 13:36.42 | [dmp] | CapN, i like to get a distance to bzflag again. But I cant decide to what extend to should do that. (eg; stop ladder, get out of bzflag-league-coding.. ) |
| 13:37.37 | Chestal | bzflag is a waste of time, but less so than most other activities (including watching TV, see bzg's weblog :-) |
| 13:39.09 | CapN | yeah....my connection has always been just playing, I'm glad I dont have the technical skills to get involved anywhere else....think that would overwhelm me. |
| 13:40.17 | [dmp] | I think i did that mistake. I still like to continue developing on the league, but im not sure i want to do it alone anymore. |
| 13:40.54 | [dmp] | Perhaps I should "secure" the current code and make it public so other games and use it as well, and theirby get more developers to it? |
| 13:41.49 | [dmp] | .. or perhaps I should try to finish my homework first :) |
| 13:42.50 | CapN | i say homework first! :) |
| 13:43.06 | CapN | but thats just the parent in me speaking :) |
| 13:44.04 | [dmp] | yurck :) |
| 13:44.11 | [dmp] | but passing exams would be nice, however :) |
| 13:44.48 | CapN | i was the biggest procrastinator in school....way too many "all nighters"! |
| 13:45.23 | CapN | i cant believe how many people it shows on here right now...do most people just stay logged in here all day? |
| 13:45.28 | [dmp] | and our teacher got crazy, moved the blackboards up and down like a mad-man, using his body to block my view so i couldnt take notes.. When i finally moved he moved aother blackboard in front of it.. and finally.. |
| 13:45.56 | [dmp] | We got this idea, that he is undead. He is scary. And it makes the classes abit more fun :-) |
| 13:46.16 | CapN | yeah...sounds like it keeps you awake at least! |
| 13:46.20 | [dmp] | hehe |
| 13:46.58 | [dmp] | Well, most of us :) |
| 13:50.31 | Chestal | I had a math professor who used the stack principle on the blackboard |
| 13:50.45 | Chestal | he wiped those things first which he had last written |
| 13:51.21 | CapN | lol |
| 13:52.06 | CapN | to us business/economics majors that would be LIFO method..... |
| 13:52.16 | CapN | last in first out |
| 13:52.50 | CapN | been too many years for me to remember though, to be honest :) |
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| 14:51.00 | KR | hi all |
| 15:00.51 | [dmp] | hi kr |
| 15:01.44 | KR | hey dmpdude |
| 15:02.00 | KR | :) |
| 15:02.00 | [dmp] | dudemp :-) |
| 15:02.05 | KR | lol |
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| 15:06.47 | icekmkz | aí... onde tá rolando um duelo legal agora :) |
| 15:08.19 | [dmp] | sorry? |
| 15:09.33 | icekmkz | Ohh!!! Excuse me! |
| 15:09.43 | KR | lol |
| 15:09.56 | [dmp] | :) |
| 15:10.05 | icekmkz | I forget include the .br in name of channel :) |
| 15:10.44 | icekmkz | I'm a brazilian ;) |
| 15:11.44 | KR | me either |
| 15:12.32 | icekmkz | I'm create one now! Heheheheehe! |
| 15:13.27 | [dmp] | Nah, Im already there.. |
| 15:13.37 | [dmp] | Yoiu cant steal it unless you got OP there :) |
| 15:13.50 | [dmp] | unless im disconnected.. urgh :) |
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| 15:25.55 | icekmkz | [dmp] ok. I talk about it's later ok? |
| 15:26.16 | [dmp] | icekmkz, sure |
| 15:26.42 | icekmkz | Now I'm killer what kill me... Time for lunch!!!! ;) |
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| 15:29.29 | learner | what a wierd icedude |
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| 15:43.00 | Tupone | r2d2 is here? |
| 15:44.12 | [dmp] | david_v, what does "gillar" mean? |
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| 15:50.31 | Tupone | learner: have you a 1.9 working client |
| 15:52.50 | Chestal | Tupone: want to test something? |
| 15:53.33 | Tupone | Yeah. I made some fix but get stucked sometime. It happen with human. Now I'm removing all and want to try again |
| 15:53.54 | Tupone | Just basic playing |
| 15:54.00 | Chestal | ok, I have some minutes |
| 15:55.36 | david_v | [dmp]: "likes" |
| 15:56.42 | david_v | [dmp]: if you need more words translated, try http://www-lexikon.nada.kth.se/sve-eng.shtml :) |
| 15:56.58 | david_v | KTH is where i study btw |
| 16:02.35 | Chestal | server crashed? |
| 16:02.50 | Tupone | don't know |
| 16:03.21 | Chestal | it didn't react anymore |
| 16:03.25 | Tupone | explain the fix: even if get stuck |
| 16:03.32 | Tupone | do you mind |
| 16:03.51 | Chestal | I am not familiar with the current collison code |
| 16:04.06 | Tupone | Its pretty simple. |
| 16:04.10 | Chestal | I guess the problem is when at t and t+dt you are on opposite sides of a building |
| 16:04.18 | Chestal | then it does not detect the collision |
| 16:04.23 | Tupone | Yeah |
| 16:04.36 | Chestal | so you can drive/fall through very thin walls/floors |
| 16:04.41 | Tupone | Because is only checking the las position |
| 16:04.43 | Chestal | the lower your fps is |
| 16:05.19 | Tupone | any time it is looking at where you are going, and see if inside anybuilding |
| 16:05.40 | Tupone | then, and only then, try to see the correct point in time |
| 16:06.26 | Tupone | I was reworking that with checking the whole segment, infact for box, and bases, its quite simple |
| 16:07.11 | Tupone | but that segment things does not work with teleporter :) |
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| 16:08.25 | Tupone | Now I'm going to spend some time out of bz. bye |
| 16:08.32 | Chestal | the problem can only occur when dt*v(tank) > tankRadius (approximately) |
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| 16:09.25 | Chestal | I looked at this problems ages ago and had a simple loop in mind, so for large dt, dt2 would loop from dt/n, 2*dt/n, ... n*dt/n or something like that |
| 16:09.26 | Tupone | CYLater |
| 16:09.34 | Chestal | but I was too lazy to make it work, cu for now ;-) |
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| 16:56.34 | Bags | ~seen Nidhoggr |
| 16:56.34 | | Bags: i haven't seen 'nidhoggr ' |
| 16:56.53 | Bags | are you blind ibot |
| 16:58.23 | bryjen | watch the trailing spaces |
| 16:59.14 | bryjen | ~seen Nidhoggr |
| 16:59.14 | | nidhoggr is currently on #bzflag. Has said a total of 537 messages. Is idling for 23h 20m 58s |
| 17:00.39 | Bags | dang auto0-complete |
| 17:01.37 | Bags | if you get bored today brygen, try dragon.org's map.....tell me what you think |
| 17:01.59 | Bags | the number of shots needs to go down, and maybe turn off richo........ |
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| 17:09.26 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (VotingArbiter.cxx): short int, not long nit pick to match the rest |
| 17:10.32 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (VotingArbiter.h): added getVoteTime(), getVetoTime(), and getStartTime() to facilitate timed announcements |
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| 17:44.32 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (commands.cxx): readded optional quoting, better whitespace checking, and stdified the vote strings |
| 17:45.35 | Chestal | brlcad: what is this "poll" entry in bzdb? Storign pointers there looks evil to me |
| 17:45.48 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (bzfs.cxx): added a heartbeat update every 15 seconds and added a results string upon poll voting |
| 17:46.00 | learner | It is evil. |
| 17:46.03 | learner | Pure evil. |
| 17:46.19 | Chestal | so, maybe it should be redesigned? :-) |
| 17:46.19 | learner | But not near as evil as a global. |
| 17:46.37 | Chestal | does it make sense to use a Singleton? |
| 17:46.39 | learner | I need a game state object to put it into, and there is presently no such beast |
| 17:46.53 | learner | oh, no, there could be multiple polls and arbiters |
| 17:47.15 | Chestal | but with "poll" there can be only one, too? |
| 17:47.34 | learner | in BZDB, yes |
| 17:48.00 | learner | but the class itself isn't a singleton, and shouldn't be limited that way |
| 17:48.09 | Chestal | maybe this 'game state object' is the Singleton I have in mind? |
| 17:48.18 | Chestal | no, not the poll class itself probably |
| 17:48.21 | learner | ah, yes. that would be a great singleton :) |
| 17:48.30 | Chestal | (although I am just guessing because I haven't looked at the code at all) |
| 17:48.52 | learner | I have to run. be back later.. |
| 17:48.52 | Chestal | so, you plan to do it in this way, but have been too lazy as of yet? :-) |
| 17:48.56 | Chestal | cu |
| 17:49.23 | learner | it's a lot of restructuring. there are way too many globals and dependancies in bzfs.. |
| 17:49.34 | learner | still separating everying out |
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| 18:04.37 | JBDiGriz | chatelaine is back, asgard is working again :) |
| 18:45.13 | Quol | hello hello |
| 18:52.57 | Bags | hello hello |
| 18:53.10 | Quol | Hey Bags - any new maps? |
| 18:53.57 | Bags | yep.....take a look at dragon.org.....TheFourWinds 2.0, which i renamed in the forum Dragon' Den |
| 18:55.18 | Quol | redirects me to sunwise.tiphareth.net |
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| 18:55.41 | Bags | sry....the bzflag server site dragon.org |
| 18:56.04 | Quol | oops - I just realized taht myself - sorry |
| 18:57.26 | Manic | ~seen patlabor221 |
| 18:57.26 | | patlabor221 <~jeffm@adsl-64-167-76-253.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 15h 36m 24s ago, saying: 'they have an article'. |
| 18:59.33 | Quol | just a static html page - bzflag.dragon.org?? hidden link somewhere? |
| 19:00.09 | bryjen | start bzflag and connect to dragon.org |
| 19:00.24 | Bags | hmmm...... |
| 19:00.28 | Quol | ph my gosh - duh :( |
| 19:00.34 | Quol | sorry |
| 19:01.25 | bryjen | Probly not ;) |
| 19:01.28 | Quol | lol - I deserve that one |
| 19:01.55 | Quol | i really thought that you had screenshots and I was looking for the web site - I am ashamed |
| 19:02.02 | bryjen | no malice intended. I'm quite dense myself sometimes :) |
| 19:02.20 | Bags | there is also xmission 2.0, which is another 4-team ctf which is IMHO, superior othe present xmission map i did |
| 19:02.40 | Bags | haha, dont worry quol, i am a horrible communicator, i expect misunderstanding |
| 19:02.44 | Quol | I think that I had that one playing |
| 19:03.02 | Quol | I enjoy 2 team CTF more than 4 myself... |
| 19:03.46 | Bags | yeah, i dont know if i have seen that one around lately....menotume had it up for some time...... |
| 19:04.13 | bryjen | can anyone name a sport/game where more than 2 teams play at the same time? |
| 19:04.27 | Bags | i often think 2-team would be fun.....but not that many people like to play a non-ducati variant of it......it seems |
| 19:04.39 | Bags | chinese checkers |
| 19:05.04 | Bags | capture the flag( CT junior high version) |
| 19:05.35 | bryjen | ok. checkers is played in turns, and is it really "teams" or four individuals? |
| 19:06.20 | Bags | i sense a little bryjen peeve here..... |
| 19:07.18 | Bags | ~spell peeve |
| 19:07.19 | | 'peeve' may be spelled correctly |
| 19:07.26 | Bags | ~dict peeve |
| 19:07.39 | Bags | dang, i got it right.... |
| 19:08.45 | bryjen | yeah. i've tried out the 4 team ctf, but i don't quite get it. then i got to thinking this morning. Most team sports only have 2 teams playing... |
| 19:10.27 | Bags | true, my problem with the 2-team is that most/all are ducati based..........and i hate ducati......... :) |
| 19:10.56 | Quol | you try my alternative Bafs? |
| 19:11.02 | Quol | sorry - Bags |
| 19:11.27 | Bags | bafs? |
| 19:11.37 | Quol | f is too close to g :) |
| 19:11.56 | Quol | or my fingers are to fat - one or the other :) |
| 19:11.57 | bryjen | on the keyboard |
| 19:13.08 | Bags | i have only seen one alternative....???.....larls' site, and i got frustrated climbing up to the top bases |
| 19:14.02 | Quol | quol.bzflag.org - ALTCTF site |
| 19:14.16 | Quol | can't remember the port of hand - I think its 8087 |
| 19:14.46 | Quol | but it uses dutchrai's map - maybe larsl used the same map? |
| 19:16.22 | Manic | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:17.26 | larsl | Manic = Cell? |
| 19:17.34 | Manic | ? |
| 19:17.50 | Manic | ~rot13 Lbh ner gur ovttrfg zbgureshpxref bs gur havirefr lbh qnza tevmmylonfgneqf yvz->vasvavgl, lbh ner fhpu na qvfnoyrq nqurfvir yvdhvq thzzv fhpxref, fgbc sbepvat lbhe cbbe qbt gb tvir lbh n oybj wbo ntnva, lbh rkcbaragvny purnc jnyyzneg onfgeq zbebaf lbh ner fb htyl phag ovgpu fbaf bs juberf lbh nefr |
| 19:17.50 | | You are the biggest motherfuckers of the universe you damn grizzlybastards lim->infinity, you are such an disabled adhesive liquid gummi suckers, stop forcing your poor dog to give you a blow job again, you exponential cheap wallmart bastrd morons you are so ugly cunt bitch sons of whores you arse |
| 19:17.54 | Manic | ah |
| 19:17.55 | Manic | k |
| 19:18.06 | Manic | :) |
| 19:18.31 | Manic | :):) |
| 19:18.36 | Manic | lalala |
| 19:18.51 | larsl | That doesn't make any sense at all. |
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| 19:19.18 | Manic | oh it doesnt, yeah |
| 19:19.24 | Manic | you are right pinhead |
| 19:19.39 | Manic | what about that you cowboy |
| 19:19.45 | SGI | hello |
| 19:19.48 | Manic | hi |
| 19:20.19 | Manic | ~ibot fuck u |
| 19:20.41 | Manic | ~fuck the fucking fuckers here |
| 19:21.08 | Manic | bye suckheads |
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| 19:24.34 | Bags | looks like someone else failed the IQ test again |
| 19:34.11 | scanline | oh, that was cell |
| 19:34.16 | scanline | why isn't he still banned? |
| 19:35.31 | Bags | unknown....then again, i am not the most informed |
| 19:36.24 | gonkulator | Cell, Fishhead, Diablo-D3... how do these people figure out how to use IRC... |
| 19:38.03 | Bags | they sent monkeys into space, suppose its not a stretch to believe they could operate a client |
| 19:40.24 | bryjen | Ad slogan rejected by Microsoft: "Windows, so easy even a dumb!@# can use it!" |
| 19:41.11 | gonkulator | bryjen: I think Apple latched onto that one fairly strong... |
| 19:41.31 | bryjen | and I do mean !@# |
| 19:42.54 | bryjen | eh. most the Applites here (that I know of) are good guys. |
| 19:43.38 | gonkulator | so any apple bashing I do is tongue and cheek :) |
| 19:43.38 | bryjen | coffee? ;) |
| 19:45.50 | Chestal | quol: you there? |
| 19:46.48 | Quol | ya |
| 19:46.53 | Quol | you? |
| 19:46.55 | Quol | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:49.45 | Chestal | your server has been laggy lately |
| 19:49.48 | Chestal | unreliable |
| 19:49.51 | Chestal | we just played a match there |
| 19:49.55 | Quol | hmm |
| 19:49.58 | Chestal | at the end, it was extremely bad |
| 19:49.59 | Quol | really - for how long? |
| 19:50.08 | Quol | just today or for a while? |
| 19:50.11 | Chestal | a few days ago we tried your server, too |
| 19:50.19 | Chestal | then went to kelsoes because there the lag seemed at least to be stable |
| 19:50.40 | Quol | I am trying a new link in a few days time, we are replacing that link at work because of these issues |
| 19:51.09 | Quol | that sucks - sorry to hear this :( |
| 19:51.19 | Chestal | you don't run a 1.9 serverm do you? |
| 19:51.30 | Quol | i could - ubt not yet |
| 19:51.40 | Quol | oof - typing isses today |
| 19:51.46 | Quol | issues :) |
| 19:52.03 | Chestal | would be interesting to see the values for the new jitter lag stats I added |
| 19:52.30 | Quol | does it handle lag better - or does it just detact lag better? |
| 19:52.43 | Quol | detect that is |
| 19:53.01 | Chestal | it detects variance in latency for MsgPlayerUpdate packets |
| 19:53.09 | Chestal | only measuring |
| 19:53.38 | Quol | ah - I have a call in to my ISP - but I will escalate the issue in hopes that it will get fixed soon |
| 19:54.01 | Chestal | well, mayeb there just was traffic |
| 19:54.11 | Chestal | for 20-25 minutes, lag wasn't good, but not excessive |
| 19:54.18 | Quol | we have a new link with a new ISP, it still is a dual redundant 100Mb/x link - so should have plenty of bandwidth to spare |
| 19:54.36 | Chestal | the numbers shown in /lagstats were in the usual range for Europeans (130-200ms) |
| 19:54.39 | Chestal | but still, it felt laggyt |
| 19:54.43 | Chestal | and in the end, it got really bad |
| 19:54.54 | Quol | hmmm |
| 19:55.01 | Quol | let me check my stats - hold on... |
| 19:57.29 | Quol | hmmm - only about 150Kbps - nothing much there |
| 19:58.03 | Chestal | hmm, whatever |
| 19:58.12 | Chestal | mayeb the problem was somewhere else in the network |
| 19:58.13 | Quol | I am sure it is the ISP |
| 19:58.14 | Chestal | have to go |
| 19:58.21 | Quol | will let you know |
| 19:58.25 | Quol | see you around Chestal |
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| 22:28.13 | bryjen | Any xmission admin awake? SB tk'ing on xmission |
| 22:30.01 | Bags | yes....i will take a look |
| 22:32.51 | [dmp] | he was just a ducati 20 mins ago. |
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| 22:43.53 | [dmp] | hehe |
| 22:43.57 | [dmp] | busted :) |
| 22:44.05 | prodan | hi all |
| 22:44.20 | jolly__ | hello |
| 22:44.51 | [dmp] | howdy |
| 22:45.22 | prodan | for the first time im using irc via gaim on m zaurus - wlan - router |
| 22:45.24 | JBDiGriz | You seem to be trailing some extra characters today. |
| 22:45.42 | captain_proton | prodan: what manner of Z? :) |
| 22:46.10 | prodan | 5500 G with sandisk cf wlan |
| 22:46.20 | captain_proton | not bad |
| 22:46.28 | prodan | it rocks |
| 22:47.06 | prodan | i feel like a kid with a birthday present |
| 22:47.13 | [dmp] | hehe |
| 22:47.54 | prodan | now i need bzflag on zaurus |
| 22:47.59 | [dmp] | I tried gaim with irc, but my gaim crashes very easily if i use it :( |
| 22:48.11 | JBDiGriz | I think you need to port openGL first :) |
| 22:48.34 | bryjen | 2D bzflag? |
| 22:48.38 | prodan | id be happy with radar only |
| 22:49.38 | prodan | hmm wlan sure drains battery |
| 22:50.36 | captain_proton | mmmhmm |
| 22:53.39 | bryjen | g'night |
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| 22:54.37 | bryjen | ~xmission |
| 23:01.20 | Bags | ~xmission |
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| 23:46.56 | SGI | ElectriElf are you here |
| 23:47.01 | ElectricElf | SGI: Yep |
| 23:47.04 | ElectricElf | Just got in. |
| 23:47.10 | ElectricElf | SGI: Somebody fucking around on xmission? |
| 23:47.13 | SGI | team killer on my team x |
| 23:47.18 | ElectricElf | SGI: On it. |
| 23:47.39 | ElectricElf | Hmm, he took off. |
| 23:47.47 | ElectricElf | SGI: I'll play for a while, hopefully he shows up again. |
| 23:47.53 | ElectricElf | SGI: You didn't mention anything about it to him, did you? |
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