| 00:04.03 | *** join/#bzflag Haldir (~Legolas@adsl-68-73-88-118.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net) |
| 00:09.58 | gonkulator | darn... no MrApathyCream... |
| 00:10.02 | gonkulator | he said my name |
| 00:12.19 | gonkulator | triclops: I don't know if anyone told you, but I am a friend of captain_proton and scanline |
| 00:12.24 | gonkulator | but from the real world |
| 00:12.50 | gonkulator | triclops: I wandered in, and forgot to leave :) |
| 00:12.51 | brlcad | What are those two monkeys up to? |
| 00:12.58 | scanline | eep eep |
| 00:13.01 | triclops | ahh, hehe. |
| 00:13.04 | gonkulator | right now, getting the rent paid :) |
| 00:13.07 | brlcad | hehe |
| 00:13.12 | gonkulator | or something |
| 00:13.15 | gonkulator | have to ask them :) |
| 00:13.49 | gonkulator | triclops: and when I go to bed, I change my name to zonkulator |
| 00:14.20 | brlcad | you sleep too much =) |
| 00:14.39 | brlcad | I see more zonk than gonk :) |
| 00:14.47 | triclops | i figured that might've been happening, but i wasn't sure which name ment which :) |
| 00:14.55 | gonkulator | brlcad: I refuse to be like my friend who wakes up early so she can drink a full pot of coffee :) |
| 00:15.08 | brlcad | ewww.. |
| 00:15.09 | brlcad | lol |
| 00:15.26 | brlcad | you need to get that girl some penguin mints :) |
| 00:15.43 | gonkulator | hmm... |
| 00:15.46 | gonkulator | not a bad idea |
| 00:16.22 | brlcad | I didn't say sleep with her! :) |
| 00:16.35 | gonkulator | penguin mints don't lead to sleep |
| 00:17.39 | brlcad | they can lead to rather odd behavior if you slip them into your buddies' soda :) |
| 00:18.00 | brlcad | hehe |
| 00:18.21 | gonkulator | though... |
| 00:18.32 | gonkulator | it would be funny to see what would happen if he ate two tins |
| 00:18.53 | scanline | hmm |
| 00:19.08 | gonkulator | oh, hi scanline :) |
| 00:19.36 | gonkulator | scanline: I finished my paper |
| 00:19.43 | gonkulator | in case you were at all curious to read it |
| 00:20.20 | scanline | no thanks :) |
| 00:20.30 | brlcad | you could just turn your chair around and show it to him instead of using irc as a communication medium :) |
| 00:20.46 | gonkulator | brlcad: I am in a different part of the state at the moment |
| 00:20.57 | brlcad | heh |
| 00:21.00 | captain_proton | gonkulator doesn't live here |
| 00:21.05 | captain_proton | except on fridays |
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| 00:24.44 | brlcad | Howdy Bilbobagheera Baggins |
| 00:25.32 | gonkulator | captain_proton: and the occasional thursday |
| 00:25.42 | gonkulator | hmm... |
| 00:25.50 | gonkulator | maybe I should go for thursday -and- friday this week |
| 00:31.28 | captain_proton | :) |
| 00:33.12 | Nidhoggr | yay. new map on dragon.org is fun. |
| 00:54.43 | brlcad | ~quol |
| 00:57.48 | Nidhoggr | what would cause shots to not show up on radar? |
| 00:57.54 | Nidhoggr | besides IB |
| 00:58.17 | brlcad | they could be colored wrong |
| 00:58.38 | Nidhoggr | none show up at all. |
| 00:58.48 | Nidhoggr | so I get shot a lot. :) |
| 00:58.53 | brlcad | sounds like a bug :) |
| 00:58.57 | Nidhoggr | :( |
| 00:59.05 | Nidhoggr | hrm. I should download newest drivers. |
| 00:59.06 | brlcad | did you twiddle with the colors? |
| 00:59.14 | Nidhoggr | nope. I'll try that. |
| 00:59.29 | brlcad | also try changing the shot length |
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| 01:01.36 | oidussus | spooge is on quol. |
| 01:01.44 | brlcad | ugg |
| 01:01.55 | brlcad | gimme a min unless someone beats me to it |
| 01:01.56 | oidussus | can someone exterminate him? |
| 01:01.58 | oidussus | k |
| 01:09.46 | brlcad | dang it .. can't remember my password and my connection is down! |
| 01:10.36 | brlcad | anyone else remember my password to quol's ? :) |
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| 01:12.04 | Carnage | any quol admins here? |
| 01:12.17 | brlcad | I'm racking my brain carny.. but can't seem to remember my dang password .. |
| 01:14.13 | Carnage | he left |
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| 01:23.11 | brlcad | We cross paths yet again Mac-Daddy-O! |
| 01:23.17 | brlcad | howdy goes it? |
| 01:24.33 | Bagheera | dont go racking that brain too hard there brclad |
| 01:24.46 | Bagheera | you only have so many brain cells left :) |
| 01:24.48 | Nidhoggr | hi bags... new map is fun. |
| 01:25.03 | brlcad | No I don't.. Oh wait .. there's one |
| 01:25.06 | Bagheera | hey Nid.... |
| 01:25.31 | brlcad | there me gow all betr |
| 01:27.52 | cniV | umm is sf ssh deadish? |
| 01:28.37 | MrApathyCream | howdy |
| 01:29.07 | brlcad | pat: try whacking yur head too.. does wonders |
| 01:29.14 | MrApathyCream | cniV, no |
| 01:29.46 | cniV | hmmm |
| 01:29.46 | patlabor221 | or puting on the glasses |
| 01:29.55 | patlabor221 | I did win all 4 games tho :) |
| 01:29.59 | cniV | i cant seem to login..... |
| 01:30.00 | MrApathyCream | is riker envisioning all this bzfls reorg for 1.9? |
| 01:30.04 | brlcad | Nah, I'd go for the head whacking :) |
| 01:30.07 | patlabor221 | sticky grenades are the bizzomb |
| 01:30.18 | MrApathyCream | cniV, i never log in |
| 01:30.23 | MrApathyCream | just do an up |
| 01:30.23 | patlabor221 | alah only knows |
| 01:30.25 | brlcad | mac, I don't think so |
| 01:30.29 | cniV | oh ok |
| 01:30.31 | MrApathyCream | i hope so |
| 01:30.42 | MrApathyCream | i hope not for 1.9 that is |
| 01:30.57 | brlcad | he was giving advice to some guys working on a "welcome patch" |
| 01:31.11 | cniV | welcome patch? |
| 01:31.37 | patlabor221 | "youve got patches!" |
| 01:32.11 | brlcad | want to do something with bz? "patches welcome" -- classic Tim response, however misplaced it may be ;) |
| 01:32.23 | cniV | i know he wants bzfls to become a web app |
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| 01:34.39 | brlcad | are those like reverse buttons? :) |
| 01:34.48 | *** part/#bzflag creeperz (~creeperz@host-11-76-220-24.midco.net) |
| 01:34.52 | patlabor221 | can't make a magnificent suit out of patches :) |
| 01:36.09 | brlcad | but it's in our dress code that buttons are to be purple on thursdays |
| 01:36.31 | patlabor221 | i'm trying to remember the name of the movie that was a bout a white suit |
| 01:37.14 | cniV | tuxedo? |
| 01:37.19 | patlabor221 | no |
| 01:37.22 | patlabor221 | a good movie |
| 01:37.26 | cniV | haha |
| 01:37.41 | patlabor221 | "The Wonderful Ice Cream Suit" |
| 01:37.45 | patlabor221 | http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0129634/ |
| 01:38.16 | patlabor221 | I had to stop Tuxedo 1/3 way thru |
| 01:38.26 | patlabor221 | could not stand Jenifer Love-Hewit |
| 01:38.36 | patlabor221 | nice to look at but man did she suck in that movie |
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| 02:07.06 | brlcad | hrm... Pat: ping |
| 02:07.34 | patlabor221 | ja |
| 02:07.37 | brlcad | every time I go to bzbb.bakadigital.com, it seems to want me to log in again |
| 02:07.41 | patlabor221 | yes |
| 02:07.44 | patlabor221 | use bzflag.org |
| 02:07.47 | brlcad | it's been doing this for a few days |
| 02:07.48 | patlabor221 | the cookie changed |
| 02:07.53 | patlabor221 | ever since it moved |
| 02:08.00 | patlabor221 | new cookie domain |
| 02:08.01 | patlabor221 | new host |
| 02:08.07 | brlcad | ah ah ah.. okay |
| 02:08.15 | patlabor221 | hilarity ensues |
| 02:08.50 | patlabor221 | I should recoment that Nidhoggr make bzbb.bakadigital.com not just an alias, but another site that redirects to bzbb.bzflag.org |
| 02:08.58 | patlabor221 | then you will allways go to the right site |
| 02:09.18 | brlcad | hrm. so one is actually stale? |
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| 02:10.23 | SGI | hello |
| 02:11.02 | brlcad | howdy |
| 02:11.07 | jolly | hiya |
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| 02:13.45 | patlabor221 | the cookie has a domain atached to it |
| 02:13.50 | patlabor221 | it was baka |
| 02:13.53 | patlabor221 | now it's bzflag |
| 02:14.27 | SGI | cookie I love cookie |
| 02:14.28 | patlabor221 | what was doing before was if you went to bzflag .org .com or .net it would take you to a temp php page that would do a quick redirect to baka |
| 02:14.32 | patlabor221 | cus that was the cookie domain |
| 02:14.48 | patlabor221 | Nidhoggr just needs to do the same thing, if he wants all the domains to work |
| 02:14.57 | patlabor221 | just swap .org and baka |
| 02:15.30 | SGI | btw tonight I can login with SGI nick |
| 02:15.48 | patlabor221 | there, baka is up again, at least for tongiht |
| 02:16.02 | patlabor221 | gonna have to get the monkey to actualy DO the routing tomrow |
| 02:16.09 | patlabor221 | instead of just say he is, then not |
| 02:23.49 | brlcad | *sigh* |
| 02:24.24 | brlcad | anyone tried to time a thread in linux? |
| 02:26.02 | cniV | argh |
| 02:26.10 | cniV | bzflag aint compiling under linux no more |
| 02:26.37 | patlabor221 | so do they train all new IS guys to just be total dicks now? |
| 02:27.07 | SGI | fg |
| 02:27.19 | brlcad | I think they added it to the MSCE training program |
| 02:27.28 | patlabor221 | musta |
| 02:27.43 | patlabor221 | so the IS guy says I can't have my own gateway and router up here |
| 02:27.44 | brlcad | HTBADH101 |
| 02:27.53 | patlabor221 | and I'm trying to get him to splain why |
| 02:27.58 | brlcad | wtf? why not? |
| 02:27.59 | patlabor221 | and he gets all defensice |
| 02:28.10 | patlabor221 | and he finaly says it screws up web usage logs |
| 02:28.21 | brlcad | bullshit |
| 02:28.24 | brlcad | er, sorry |
| 02:28.29 | patlabor221 | and I'm like "ok, fine, you only log port 80, and let aim and IRC thru, and we are cool" |
| 02:28.46 | cniV | sif IS people know anything |
| 02:28.47 | patlabor221 | so I am telling him I'll pull the thing |
| 02:29.15 | cniV | IS people know big words and can talk crap whilst knowing absolutely nothing at the same time |
| 02:29.16 | patlabor221 | and he goes down and just yoinks the wire in the net closet before I can get the users of my gateway changed over to his gateway |
| 02:29.36 | patlabor221 | after I allready say I'll do what he wants |
| 02:29.51 | patlabor221 | then he won't give me a direct line to the net for the servers |
| 02:29.56 | brlcad | cut him |
| 02:29.58 | patlabor221 | says they need to go thru his "DMZ" |
| 02:30.03 | bryjen | silly users. ask not for services we have not benevolently granted unto you. |
| 02:30.09 | patlabor221 | and I'm like "fine, as long as they don't have internal IPS' |
| 02:30.22 | patlabor221 | so he plugs my line into that, but never routes them |
| 02:30.24 | patlabor221 | then goes home |
| 02:30.45 | brlcad | wow, that is rather dickage of him |
| 02:31.05 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 02:31.38 | patlabor221 | so I had to go down, and put a hub inbeween the net router and his firebox and run raw net up to the servers :) |
| 02:31.53 | brlcad | haha |
| 02:31.57 | patlabor221 | he has all the these controll rules, yet I have keys to all the closets :) |
| 02:32.14 | brlcad | that's cool |
| 02:32.41 | patlabor221 | thing that sucks is tomorw I'm gonna have tu bug the hell outa him to get him to do the routing, even tho it's his idea |
| 02:32.41 | bryjen | once again, without physical security, everthing else is moot |
| 02:32.53 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 02:33.07 | patlabor221 | and he acts all high and mighty about "work useage" |
| 02:33.18 | patlabor221 | yet he's running a warez server under his deks |
| 02:33.28 | brlcad | When I was at school, any sharp object would get me into the server room / network closet |
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| 02:33.48 | patlabor221 | net closet dosn't even have a roof |
| 02:34.27 | bryjen | whatsit with you and sharp pokey objects? |
| 02:34.41 | brlcad | Fortunately, as I was one of the 3 admins (just one without keys to that particular room at the time) I could get away with it without causing too much grief :) |
| 02:34.47 | patlabor221 | you think your porkfry now? |
| 02:35.28 | patlabor221 | I do have an extra DSL router now :) |
| 02:35.41 | bryjen | ~dict porkfry |
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| 02:35.52 | patlabor221 | you would have to read PA to get that |
| 02:35.55 | brlcad | tastes like chicken |
| 02:36.05 | patlabor221 | but then none of you play other games so I doubt |
| 02:36.13 | Megachirops | g'evening all.. how is everybuddy today? |
| 02:36.14 | bryjen | da odder white meat |
| 02:36.51 | patlabor221 | can anyone get to http://jeffm.bakadigital.com |
| 02:36.51 | patlabor221 | ? |
| 02:36.54 | brlcad | hehe |
| 02:37.05 | brlcad | weee |
| 02:37.13 | bryjen | seems a bit slow |
| 02:37.14 | brlcad | I can get to angie's ;) |
| 02:37.19 | patlabor221 | goodf |
| 02:37.40 | patlabor221 | the 10$ frys hub works then :) |
| 02:37.48 | brlcad | sorry for not trying yours first, but a guy has to have his priorities :) |
| 02:37.56 | patlabor221 | sure |
| 02:37.58 | Megachirops | "50% Brave / 50% Retarded" interesting opener... |
| 02:38.03 | patlabor221 | :) |
| 02:38.07 | patlabor221 | sometimes it's true |
| 02:38.12 | Bagheera | yes |
| 02:39.33 | patlabor221 | hmm I think brlcad is drunk enough to come up with a good name for the game. |
| 02:39.44 | MAC | any peeps about the latest beta? |
| 02:39.54 | patlabor221 | nope not a one |
| 02:39.58 | patlabor221 | good or bad |
| 02:40.00 | cniV | ummm |
| 02:40.04 | cniV | whats up with bzadmin |
| 02:40.05 | MAC | NO BUGS! |
| 02:40.08 | MAC | :) |
| 02:40.10 | brlcad | So if I have a choice between The Sims, Everquest, and $20 bucks which should I take? |
| 02:40.15 | patlabor221 | no, no downloads |
| 02:40.18 | Megachirops | $20 |
| 02:40.21 | MAC | 20 |
| 02:40.24 | MAC | heh |
| 02:40.33 | patlabor221 | EQ has a monthy fee |
| 02:40.36 | Bagheera | $20 |
| 02:40.41 | patlabor221 | it's rather adicting |
| 02:40.56 | patlabor221 | simms gets old fast |
| 02:41.07 | brlcad | Hmm.. subscription license.. didn't know/remember that |
| 02:41.10 | Megachirops | i've lost friends to EQ.. i wouldn't touch it with a 10' pole |
| 02:41.16 | Bagheera | anybody with good movie suggestions, my netflix queue is running low |
| 02:41.22 | patlabor221 | it as MMORPG |
| 02:41.23 | MAC | how much is the 10' pole? |
| 02:41.33 | patlabor221 | EQ is fun |
| 02:41.33 | Megachirops | lol |
| 02:41.41 | patlabor221 | tho there are better games out then it now |
| 02:41.50 | Megachirops | FREELANCER!!! |
| 02:41.52 | brlcad | yes, I know it was mmorpg, just forgot about the "schedule" |
| 02:42.09 | patlabor221 | you looking for PC or the 'tosh? |
| 02:42.22 | brlcad | name for what? |
| 02:42.30 | patlabor221 | it |
| 02:42.36 | Bagheera | ug, agent cody banks it is then |
| 02:42.37 | brlcad | ah |
| 02:42.38 | patlabor221 | that what will replace screamers |
| 02:43.00 | patlabor221 | cus that name makes me thing of an ex-girlfriend |
| 02:43.06 | cniV | anyone got an idea about bzadmin |
| 02:43.08 | brlcad | lol |
| 02:43.11 | cniV | and why its breaking |
| 02:43.23 | brlcad | what's breaking? |
| 02:43.27 | brlcad | which and how |
| 02:43.29 | cniV | bzadmin |
| 02:43.36 | brlcad | which version |
| 02:43.40 | scanline | SQUEEGIE! |
| 02:43.41 | Spiff | I wonder what screamers and your ex-g/f have to do with eachother. :) |
| 02:43.42 | cniV | cvs |
| 02:43.59 | brlcad | okay, and what's breaking? |
| 02:44.07 | cniV | it aint linking |
| 02:44.09 | Spiff | Squeegbob? :) |
| 02:44.22 | bryjen | Ewww |
| 02:44.28 | patlabor221 | if you can't figure it out, then your too young spiff |
| 02:44.35 | cniV | ServerLink.o(.text+0xdfe): In function `ServerLink::sendPlayerUpdate(Player *)': |
| 02:44.35 | cniV | : undefined reference to `Player::setDeadReckoning(void)' |
| 02:44.35 | brlcad | ah, that's not breaking.. that's not coalescing ;) |
| 02:44.39 | Megachirops | rofl |
| 02:44.47 | MrApathyCream | i wonder if that's my problem |
| 02:44.47 | cniV | meh :) |
| 02:44.48 | bryjen | ~spell coalescing |
| 02:44.50 | | 'coalescing' may be spelled correctly |
| 02:44.51 | Spiff | Err... then why are you sharing it with us? :P |
| 02:44.57 | brlcad | hrm.. that's an old problem .. |
| 02:44.58 | Spiff | You could've just said "It brings up bad memories." |
| 02:44.59 | Spiff | LoL |
| 02:45.01 | patlabor221 | cus sharing is good |
| 02:45.04 | brlcad | "was" fixed |
| 02:45.17 | patlabor221 | and everyone says "screamers is a good name" |
| 02:45.18 | MrApathyCream | setDeadReckoning needs to be inlined |
| 02:45.22 | Spiff | Well.. maybe we'd rather you keep it to yourself. ;) |
| 02:45.22 | brlcad | let it out man.. let it out |
| 02:45.26 | Spiff | I don't. :-) |
| 02:45.26 | MrApathyCream | forget where it was left off |
| 02:45.34 | Spiff | I think it's too "common" for the look of the game. |
| 02:45.45 | Spiff | Hehehe |
| 02:45.59 | Spiff | Bbs. |
| 02:46.29 | SGI | Hi Spiff no anymore matches |
| 02:46.33 | bryjen | if you've got something that's "catchy", please dont share. |
| 02:46.52 | Megachirops | perhaps it needs a theme song |
| 02:47.00 | bryjen | ~spell contagious |
| 02:47.01 | | 'contagious' may be spelled correctly |
| 02:47.55 | cniV | ah ok |
| 02:48.01 | cniV | its inlined in bzflag/Player.h |
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| 02:48.38 | MrApathyCream | ok, well that was a problem at one point |
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| 02:49.24 | brlcad | that symbol shouldn't even be in ServerLink.o |
| 02:49.31 | cniV | yeah |
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| 02:50.26 | MrApathyCream | silly leenox |
| 02:51.06 | brlcad | hrm.. room is starting to fill up with unknowns |
| 02:51.22 | MrApathyCream | known lurgers, unknown lurgers, what's the diff |
| 02:51.34 | brlcad | heh |
| 02:51.39 | MrApathyCream | g->k |
| 02:51.46 | brlcad | yep |
| 02:51.46 | Megachirops | we all have the same thing in common: nothing better to do |
| 02:52.18 | cniV | so umm you gonna fix the dead reckoning thing mac? |
| 02:52.30 | MrApathyCream | umm |
| 02:52.32 | MrApathyCream | works for me |
| 02:52.38 | cniV | really? |
| 02:52.38 | cniV | hmmm |
| 02:52.40 | MrApathyCream | but i am on the dev platform of choice |
| 02:52.46 | cniV | bah |
| 02:52.52 | brlcad | heh, that's not exactly the most tactful way to get someone to fix it ;) |
| 02:53.15 | bryjen | *cough* windblows *cough* |
| 02:53.20 | MrApathyCream | actually bzadmin isn't win32 supported iirc |
| 02:53.36 | cniV | does bzadmin have curses? :) |
| 02:53.38 | cniV | i mean |
| 02:53.40 | brlcad | yea, though larsl _was_ working on pcurses |
| 02:53.41 | cniV | windows |
| 02:53.54 | MrApathyCream | not that i'm aware of |
| 02:54.20 | brlcad | it has something similar, and there are a few third party compability libraries (e.g. pdcurses) |
| 02:56.25 | MrApathyCream | are you linking in Player.o to bzadmin? |
| 02:56.41 | cniV | im going through the Makefile |
| 02:56.45 | cniV | i doubt it is |
| 02:56.51 | brlcad | it's the conio.h interface in windows iirc |
| 02:57.25 | MrApathyCream | it seems odd that you can use a class without it's impl, what if there's static vars to initialize |
| 02:57.28 | MrApathyCream | dunno, seems odd |
| 02:57.39 | brlcad | I can think of a quick fix -- add a global function pointer that calls setDeadReckoning |
| 02:58.09 | brlcad | the other alternative is to uninline it and put it in Player.cxx where it belongs.. |
| 02:58.11 | cniV | i think just linking in Player.o would work |
| 02:58.13 | Bagheera | The Ghost and Mr Chicken |
| 02:58.27 | brlcad | you get a slew of other dependancies if you try linking Player.o iirc |
| 02:58.33 | brlcad | but go ahead ;) |
| 02:58.33 | MrApathyCream | You prolly need lots more with Player.o |
| 02:58.34 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 02:58.36 | MrApathyCream | yes |
| 02:58.37 | cniV | hmmmm |
| 02:59.07 | brlcad | uninline it.. that's easy enough |
| 02:59.30 | brlcad | oh wait.. that won't work |
| 02:59.34 | MrApathyCream | no |
| 02:59.35 | brlcad | never mind |
| 02:59.52 | brlcad | I'm trying to remember code without looking at it ;) |
| 02:59.52 | MrApathyCream | what is bzadmin using setDeadReckoning for anyway |
| 03:00.02 | cniV | dont know |
| 03:00.04 | brlcad | it's not, but there is another func in ServerLink that is |
| 03:00.06 | cniV | who looks after it |
| 03:00.07 | triclops | constream instead of conio.h for C++ maybe? |
| 03:00.28 | MrApathyCream | well, don't use ServerLink then |
| 03:00.50 | cniV | hmm |
| 03:00.54 | cniV | just dont build bzadmin :) |
| 03:01.05 | brlcad | serverlink could/should be moved into the net lib, but that's probably more effort ;) |
| 03:01.17 | MrApathyCream | what is used out of ServerLink? |
| 03:01.21 | brlcad | I don't recall what exactly it does |
| 03:01.33 | cniV | win32 doesnt seem to use it |
| 03:01.38 | MrApathyCream | no |
| 03:01.42 | triclops | shouldn't serverlink be in game? |
| 03:01.49 | MrApathyCream | it is |
| 03:01.56 | MrApathyCream | but apparently bzadmin uses it too |
| 03:02.37 | triclops | i mean src/game. there is nothing in it. |
| 03:02.41 | MrApathyCream | as i recall, it just has a bunch of sendXXX methods |
| 03:02.53 | MrApathyCream | triclops, src/game has stuff on the 1.8 branch |
| 03:03.13 | cniV | hmmm ok so it is used |
| 03:03.22 | triclops | MAC: ahh, i thought that died |
| 03:03.27 | MrApathyCream | it did |
| 03:03.41 | MrApathyCream | but the code is still in cvs, and i guess as long as it exists you get the directories |
| 03:04.10 | SGI | Spiff |
| 03:04.18 | brlcad | update -dP |
| 03:04.22 | cniV | hmmmm |
| 03:04.33 | cniV | so theres a ServerLink in src/bzflag |
| 03:04.37 | cniV | and another one in src/bzadmin |
| 03:04.37 | MrApathyCream | yup |
| 03:04.42 | MrApathyCream | ah |
| 03:04.48 | bryjen | it was a symlink |
| 03:04.50 | MrApathyCream | never looked at bzadmin |
| 03:04.50 | brlcad | that will trim/prune empty dirs and add new ones that are missing |
| 03:04.54 | cniV | and the one in bzadmin breaks |
| 03:05.08 | brlcad | no, the one in bzadmin is a symbolic link |
| 03:05.33 | cniV | ah yes |
| 03:05.34 | cniV | identical |
| 03:05.39 | bryjen | on *nix. possibly a copy on Doze? |
| 03:05.49 | brlcad | *shrug* |
| 03:05.59 | brlcad | cniV, you're on linux right? |
| 03:06.01 | cniV | i dont think cvs cares much about symlinks |
| 03:06.03 | MrApathyCream | bzadmin doesn't build on windows |
| 03:06.05 | cniV | yeah im on linux |
| 03:06.14 | MrApathyCream | it wasn't meant to |
| 03:06.16 | brlcad | oh, wait.. that's right.. it was set up to copy |
| 03:06.32 | brlcad | it's copyed over when you try to build from src/bzflag |
| 03:06.38 | brlcad | it was a link |
| 03:08.42 | brlcad | hehe |
| 03:08.50 | brlcad | I would too :) |
| 03:08.57 | cniV | does it really make a difference? |
| 03:09.04 | brlcad | are you kidding? |
| 03:09.18 | bryjen | if you've got enough processors |
| 03:09.24 | cniV | ive got 2 |
| 03:09.29 | cniV | doesnt seem to speed things up |
| 03:09.34 | MrApathyCream | processor switch? |
| 03:09.39 | brlcad | your puter is busted :) |
| 03:09.43 | cniV | prolly :( |
| 03:09.44 | purple_cow | so you'd probably want -j4 |
| 03:10.40 | brlcad | and as bzfs.cxx is separated into more and more files.. the faster she goes ;) |
| 03:12.07 | cniV | ah yes |
| 03:12.11 | cniV | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:12.46 | brlcad | wee .. done |
| 03:12.53 | brlcad | No problem here either :P |
| 03:13.08 | brlcad | are you on anonymous cvs by any chance? |
| 03:13.21 | cniV | no this is off ssh |
| 03:13.31 | brlcad | 7 days for me to wreck havoc .. yay! |
| 03:14.55 | MrApathyCream | 6 |
| 03:15.47 | cniV | hmmm |
| 03:15.50 | cniV | so yours compiled fine.... |
| 03:16.58 | brlcad | Umm.. and someone's changed the code a bit. |
| 03:17.19 | brlcad | setDeadReckoning is no longer in ServerLink anyways |
| 03:17.33 | brlcad | sendPlayerUpdate doesn't use it |
| 03:17.34 | cniV | oh? |
| 03:17.45 | cniV | what did you checkout? |
| 03:18.05 | brlcad | what do you mean what did I checkout? hehe .. the HEAD :) |
| 03:18.11 | cniV | hmmmm |
| 03:18.29 | brlcad | don't tell me you have a tagged version |
| 03:18.32 | MrApathyCream | cvs up bzflag |
| 03:18.40 | brlcad | cvs update -A bzflag |
| 03:19.03 | brlcad | that'll forget any sticky you might have set |
| 03:19.19 | brlcad | er, s/bzflag// |
| 03:19.55 | cniV | gah still no good |
| 03:20.05 | MrApathyCream | anyone look at the man to see if it's up to date? |
| 03:20.38 | cniV | oh what the hell |
| 03:20.42 | cniV | it compiles fine on my laptop |
| 03:20.47 | MrApathyCream | hehe |
| 03:20.50 | brlcad | did a cvs up give you any new/different files? |
| 03:20.50 | cniV | but not fine at uni |
| 03:20.57 | cniV | nope |
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| 03:21.38 | brlcad | does your ServerLink::sendPlayerUpdate() have a setDeadReckoning() in it? |
| 03:22.45 | cniV | nope |
| 03:22.49 | cniV | no setDeadReckoning |
| 03:22.52 | purple_cow | MrApathyCream: hmm? |
| 03:23.07 | MrApathyCream | hey, your back! |
| 03:23.13 | MrApathyCream | it's been awhile |
| 03:23.30 | MrApathyCream | no internet access from the road? |
| 03:23.41 | purple_cow | i'm confused |
| 03:23.51 | MrApathyCream | probably the jetlag |
| 03:24.23 | cniV | hmmm |
| 03:24.26 | cniV | ok |
| 03:24.30 | cniV | brlcad: what version g++ you using? |
| 03:24.38 | brlcad | 3.1 |
| 03:24.43 | cniV | ok |
| 03:24.47 | MrApathyCream | cniV, maybe delete ServerLink.o |
| 03:24.50 | cniV | i think it doesnt work with gcc <3 |
| 03:25.19 | cniV | dies on 2.95 |
| 03:25.34 | SGI | nite |
| 03:25.59 | triclops | cniV uni has 2.95 too |
| 03:26.03 | cniV | yeah |
| 03:26.05 | cniV | thats the problem :) |
| 03:26.36 | cniV | i compile fine on my laptop which is 3.3 |
| 03:26.46 | cniV | same thing at uni which is 2.95 doesnt work |
| 03:29.52 | MrApathyCream | they say exposure to lots of sunlight helps get over the time changes the best. |
| 03:30.16 | MrApathyCream | serves you right for going away for over a month |
| 03:30.59 | brlcad | Heh, that MAC is one crazy dude. |
| 03:31.18 | brlcad | Well.. then.. that was a quick failure -- no <sstream> pfft! |
| 03:31.39 | cniV | heh |
| 03:31.44 | bryjen | purple_cow: did you go on a trip? |
| 03:32.00 | purple_cow | no |
| 03:32.03 | brlcad | Maybe a mental vacation? :) |
| 03:32.10 | purple_cow | heh |
| 03:32.35 | bryjen | not talking much lately? |
| 03:32.53 | brlcad | lol, that sstream problem is _specific_ to 2.95.2 heh |
| 03:33.05 | cniV | joy |
| 03:33.21 | cniV | im trying 3.3 at uni now |
| 03:33.25 | brlcad | wee.. gnu has a drop-in replacement |
| 03:33.37 | cniV | at least i hope its 3.3 |
| 03:33.51 | triclops | 3.3 uni? which computers? |
| 03:33.56 | cniV | williams |
| 03:34.25 | bryjen | perhaps MAC was in captain_proton withdrawal and inventing stories to explain not conversing with you ;) |
| 03:34.35 | brlcad | yay, building again |
| 03:34.40 | cniV | yup |
| 03:34.41 | cniV | builds fine |
| 03:34.42 | triclops | cniV: gcc claims to be 2.95.4 |
| 03:34.48 | brlcad | oops.. now it failed again |
| 03:34.57 | cniV | so i think its a 2.95 problem |
| 03:35.21 | brlcad | I wouldn't say that yet. Haven't even gotten close to app code yet |
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| 03:35.58 | cniV | ok |
| 03:36.03 | triclops | i didn't realise they had 2.95, 3.2 and 3.3 |
| 03:36.10 | triclops | all on the one computer |
| 03:36.14 | cniV | well the only thing i did was change from using 2.95 to 3.3 |
| 03:36.18 | cniV | and the thing compiled fine |
| 03:36.24 | brlcad | ah. hrm. |
| 03:36.29 | triclops | nice |
| 03:36.35 | purple_cow | wheedledee |
| 03:36.35 | brlcad | cut it |
| 03:36.48 | brlcad | bah!, knife |
| 03:37.15 | JBDiGriz | Some people are staying late at work. I guess the thought of leaving the channel is difficult. :) |
| 03:37.29 | brlcad | you know it ;) |
| 03:37.41 | bryjen | eek. he's gone from poking to cutting. the madness deepens! ;) |
| 03:37.52 | brlcad | I figure I'll stay at home tomorrow to badger the isp people |
| 03:38.26 | JBDiGriz | He has a lot of sharp objects around. Just learn to duck at the right moment. |
| 03:38.40 | brlcad | JB: if you ever happen to be compiling for gcc_select 2 and need #include <sstream> .. http://gcc.gnu.org/faq.html#2.95sstream |
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| 03:39.58 | cniV | the list server is on 5155 right? |
| 03:40.07 | cniV | hehe telemarketers |
| 03:40.16 | bryjen | http://list.bzflag.org:5156/ |
| 03:40.17 | cniV | i posted a huge rant on them a while ago |
| 03:40.24 | cniV | yeah |
| 03:40.29 | JBDiGriz | That was one of the issues when I installed gcc 3.3. I had to make a couple of changes to the PB files, and I got everything working. |
| 03:40.31 | cniV | but umm the code says 5155 |
| 03:40.57 | cniV | so if i run my own list server, its on 5155 |
| 03:40.57 | Noodleman | if you want to keep the telemarketers guessing, just keep saying 'uuuhhhhh' periodically |
| 03:41.14 | JBDiGriz | Hopefully, next week, the telemarketers will be cut off at the knees in my part of the world. |
| 03:41.28 | Noodleman | answer 'uuuhhhhhhh' to every question and vary the stress on the grunts once in a while (uuhhh?) |
| 03:41.37 | cniV | The idea that someone has an inherent right to call me on my phone as often as they like for whatever commercial purposes is so utterly offensive it makes me wanna go all "mountain shack with a shotgun (with DSL, of course)." As the venerable Kurt has said, "at least you can deal with spam on your own time." |
| 03:41.37 | cniV | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:41.43 | triclops | hehe |
| 03:42.18 | triclops | it sucks when they start their speil and you have no polite way of getting out until they finish |
| 03:43.01 | bryjen | if you're using knives, why be polite? |
| 03:43.12 | cniV | professional courtesy |
| 03:43.31 | bryjen | just hanging up is less bloody, btw |
| 03:43.43 | triclops | stap them in the back. when they're not listening |
| 03:44.40 | triclops | letting them get the speil out makes the poor person on the other end of the line feel like they've acheived something |
| 03:45.05 | triclops | then you say your not interested so the company they work for gets no money |
| 03:45.23 | JBDiGriz | I'll sometimes just put the phone down and let them talk until they realize there's nobody there. |
| 03:45.41 | triclops | hehe. |
| 03:46.19 | bryjen | My wife often answers the phone "Nobody's home" when there's no caller ID info. its usually telemarketers. |
| 03:48.42 | patlabor221 | home again home again, jig-ity jig |
| 03:51.18 | JBDiGriz | DSL requires one land line, and family pressures require another. ;) |
| 03:52.17 | brlcad | I _was_ going to install it for DSL, but I couldn't find a local carrier other than the major east coast monopoly to service it |
| 03:52.31 | JBDiGriz | Buying a home opens you up to a thousand telemarketers as well. :( |
| 03:52.39 | brlcad | and then they gave me grief about dsl availability so I said fi |
| 03:53.11 | bryjen | there's an upside to being net-less at home. no spam coming in. for now. |
| 03:54.19 | JBDiGriz | Too many spammers have already mined the whois database. I'm probably going to change all of my email addresses for domain handling soon. |
| 03:54.27 | brlcad | My filters take care of that good enough for me. Give me back my connection any day :) |
| 03:55.15 | JBDiGriz | My filters handle about 90% of it. That still leaves about 10 spams a day which make it to my inbox. |
| 03:55.17 | brlcad | spamassasin can do majic at times |
| 03:55.57 | bryjen | the horrors! |
| 03:56.14 | JBDiGriz | It is amazing when I connect after being away for a week. The machines get a little busy ;) |
| 03:56.15 | purple_cow | hurty flurty schnip schnip |
| 03:56.37 | JBDiGriz | Did someone make sure that cap was taking his medication today? |
| 03:57.25 | bryjen | yon bovine doth emit peculiar sounds |
| 03:58.40 | JBDiGriz | Many bovines emit various peculiar sounds. A number of them are associated with peculiar smells as well. |
| 03:59.03 | brlcad | JB: what about pete? |
| 03:59.10 | bryjen | ah-huu |
| 03:59.14 | brlcad | hawaii host? |
| 03:59.30 | brlcad | yea |
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| 03:59.58 | brlcad | ah carp |
| 04:01.06 | purple_cow | carp is good, but not as good as tuna |
| 04:01.13 | Patlabor221 | salmon |
| 04:01.14 | brlcad | .com is some guy named pete |
| 04:01.20 | brlcad | ack |
| 04:02.23 | brlcad | lol |
| 04:03.27 | JBDiGriz | ono |
| 04:04.24 | Patlabor221 | purple_cow, can you spot what sounds wrong in this sentance "Everything runs smoothly at 20 fps on a GF-4 with an Athlon-1000 cpu. (one light)" ? |
| 04:09.53 | purple_cow | hmm |
| 04:10.00 | purple_cow | not in my current haze |
| 04:10.06 | brlcad | Is anyone at all familiar with how to time a thread properly under linux with the new pthread implementation? |
| 04:10.16 | Patlabor221 | 20 fps + smooth + 1 light? |
| 04:10.22 | Patlabor221 | on a GF 4 |
| 04:10.50 | brlcad | getrusage for SELF and CHILDREN is returning 0 user time.. |
| 04:10.51 | JBDiGriz | 20 fps is never smooth. It has to be at least 32. |
| 04:11.03 | Patlabor221 | 30 is often fine :) |
| 04:11.12 | Patlabor221 | unlless your running 74 hz |
| 04:11.34 | JBDiGriz | 30 is hairy edge. |
| 04:11.48 | Patlabor221 | it's what TV runs at |
| 04:11.52 | Patlabor221 | film is even lower |
| 04:11.53 | triclops | brlcad: is pthread light or heavyweight? |
| 04:12.45 | scanline | Patlabor221: there's a big difference though |
| 04:12.51 | JBDiGriz | I find TV annoying to watch, possibly because of the interlacing. |
| 04:12.57 | Patlabor221 | TV is fields yes |
| 04:13.01 | scanline | no |
| 04:13.03 | scanline | that's not the issue |
| 04:13.13 | Patlabor221 | ? |
| 04:13.37 | scanline | TV cameras sample the incoming light over the entire frame duration, whereas games render a single instant |
| 04:13.44 | Patlabor221 | true |
| 04:13.48 | Patlabor221 | the blur |
| 04:13.51 | scanline | yep |
| 04:14.18 | brlcad | eh? default pthread lib on linux 2.4 which are rather heavy last I read up on them |
| 04:14.19 | Patlabor221 | still we all agree that 20 is crap :) |
| 04:14.21 | scanline | I've been toying with the idea of a 4D rendering engine that renders slices of time rather than single instants to solve this problem |
| 04:14.54 | triclops | heavy = creates a new process mapped to the same memory |
| 04:14.56 | Patlabor221 | as aposed to just bluring the piss out of it like some people like to do, interesting. |
| 04:22.08 | brlcad | wee |
| 04:22.47 | Patlabor221 | sounds like they are gonna go on a begging spreee again |
| 04:23.12 | Patlabor221 | hmm, time to turn to the random japanese game name generator if noone has any ideas |
| 04:23.17 | Patlabor221 | Mega Lazy Jell-o Car |
| 04:23.32 | Patlabor221 | Turbo ESP Money Deluxe |
| 04:23.50 | Patlabor221 | ahh here's a good one Fancy Panty Yo-yo Fetish |
| 04:23.50 | bryjen | s/Money/Monkey |
| 04:24.25 | Patlabor221 | http://www.gweep.net/~crimson/japanese-games.html |
| 04:24.35 | Patlabor221 | Little Buddha Jell-o Junior |
| 04:25.22 | Patlabor221 | Lactose-Intolerant Rubber Fish Action |
| 04:25.26 | Patlabor221 | that's a good one |
| 04:26.02 | bryjen | sounds like a headline from a p0rn site |
| 04:26.08 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 04:26.21 | Patlabor221 | Fantastic Slam Dunk Jell-o King |
| 04:26.54 | Patlabor221 | I think I played this one once: Turbo Fist Fighter 64 |
| 04:27.37 | bryjen | naw, your probly thinkin of the origional 8 bit one ;) |
| 04:27.45 | triclops | Turbo Fancy Exciting Mega |
| 04:28.00 | Patlabor221 | Unhappy Mecha Alpha Party |
| 04:28.04 | Patlabor221 | ahh he lives |
| 04:28.16 | Nidhoggr | heh |
| 04:28.18 | Patlabor221 | Nidhoggr, you should make a small change to the bzbb setup |
| 04:28.24 | Nidhoggr | ? |
| 04:28.47 | Patlabor221 | make all domains that are not bzflag.org point to a little sub page that redirects to bzflag.org |
| 04:28.51 | Patlabor221 | instead of aliases |
| 04:29.07 | Patlabor221 | that way when the hit the page they are on the same domain as the cookie and can log in |
| 04:29.14 | Patlabor221 | that's what I had to do on asgard. |
| 04:29.17 | Nidhoggr | ah. good idea. |
| 04:29.23 | Nidhoggr | I'll do that tomorrow. |
| 04:29.28 | Patlabor221 | if people go to baka they can't login and post. |
| 04:29.57 | Nidhoggr | I'm up to my ears in stuff right now. (on call) |
| 04:30.22 | Patlabor221 | fun |
| 04:30.41 | Patlabor221 | now this one is odd:Pocket Dragon Dance Fetish |
| 04:30.57 | Nidhoggr | heh |
| 04:31.14 | Nidhoggr | next thing is good speakers for my new PC. |
| 04:31.26 | Nidhoggr | I'm using the ones built into my monitor. |
| 04:31.29 | Nidhoggr | not stellar. |
| 04:31.30 | Patlabor221 | eww |
| 04:31.52 | Patlabor221 | I have a set of digital BA735s |
| 04:31.53 | Nidhoggr | well, it's better than NO sound. :) |
| 04:31.59 | Patlabor221 | tho not sure I like them |
| 04:32.05 | Nidhoggr | I've got harmon kardon on my mac :) |
| 04:32.13 | Nidhoggr | those rock |
| 04:32.17 | Patlabor221 | great for music, but for OS sounds they "pop" |
| 04:32.19 | Nidhoggr | hrm. |
| 04:32.44 | Patlabor221 | I have a set of HK "champane" speakers somewhere too |
| 04:32.52 | Patlabor221 | they are nice |
| 04:32.57 | Patlabor221 | but no heaphone |
| 04:32.57 | JBDiGriz | Add 10 more years to your ears pat, and it won't make as much of a difference. |
| 04:33.00 | Nidhoggr | haven't seen/heard them. |
| 04:33.07 | Nidhoggr | hahahahaha |
| 04:33.17 | Patlabor221 | actualy it will, it cuts off part of the sound |
| 04:33.33 | Nidhoggr | I'd lift my glass to that, but my arthritis is kicking in. |
| 04:33.34 | Nidhoggr | ;) |
| 04:33.43 | Patlabor221 | don't bust a hip |
| 04:33.50 | Nidhoggr | heh |
| 04:33.54 | Nidhoggr | ROFL |
| 04:34.15 | JBDiGriz | Cutting off part of the sound is done at another level now. ;) |
| 04:34.34 | Patlabor221 | naw in 10 years they will have bionic ears and stuff |
| 04:35.29 | JBDiGriz | That's what they said 10 years ago, but you probably don't remember the bionic man and 2001. :P |
| 04:35.59 | Patlabor221 | true, but look at some of the real work |
| 04:36.13 | Patlabor221 | they got nerv chips |
| 04:36.28 | bryjen | man, JB, if you can't remember 2 years ago .... ;) |
| 04:36.51 | JBDiGriz | Knees and elbows have improved significantly. Hearts are starting to get there, but no eyes nor ears yet. |
| 04:36.57 | Patlabor221 | did you ever see that IBM comcerial with Avery Brooks? |
| 04:37.18 | Patlabor221 | they have chips that have improved the eyesight of some people with retanal damage |
| 04:37.45 | cniV | retanal :) |
| 04:37.55 | JBDiGriz | I had RK about 20 years ago. It's helped a lot, but they can't replace them yet. |
| 04:38.04 | Patlabor221 | not yet |
| 04:38.13 | triclops | they have bionic ears |
| 04:38.26 | Patlabor221 | implant hearing aids |
| 04:39.07 | triclops | well yes |
| 04:39.44 | triclops | it's an aussie invention so i thought i'd mention it anyway :) |
| 04:40.52 | cniV | cochlear implants |
| 04:41.22 | Patlabor221 | won't mater then tho, we'll all be hardwired into the net by then and won't care |
| 04:41.40 | cniV | heh |
| 04:42.13 | JBDiGriz | and the RIAA can monitor our thoughts so they can charge us if we hum a copyrighted tune. :) |
| 04:42.25 | Patlabor221 | they do that now :) |
| 04:42.43 | JBDiGriz | maybe to you, but they haven't caught me yet. :P |
| 04:42.52 | Patlabor221 | that you know of |
| 04:42.58 | Patlabor221 | what do you think property tax is? |
| 04:43.26 | JBDiGriz | 2% of my property's assessed value whether I'm humming or not. :) |
| 04:44.05 | Patlabor221 | go a head and belive that, the got a deal goin with the aprasial people, huge conspiracy |
| 04:44.50 | JBDiGriz | I actually got my property taxes lowered several years ago when CA was having some property value issues. |
| 05:05.20 | Patlabor221 | I must give the sdl people props for making a very good windows build system |
| 05:06.33 | Patlabor221 | or I should say, just using the VC projects the right way |
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| 05:32.23 | Patlabor221 | I think I'm gonna kill the mouse wheel! |
| 05:35.20 | brlcad | I think I'm gonna kill linux 2.4 |
| 05:36.21 | Patlabor221 | is mr pointy not seing enough action? |
| 05:37.15 | brlcad | Is there such a thing as "enough" when it comes to mr pointy?? |
| 05:38.08 | Patlabor221 | I think I'm gonna have to add some event handaling here |
| 05:38.19 | Patlabor221 | mouse wheel seems to work with events, but not polling |
| 05:39.17 | Patlabor221 | I think "enough" is when the men in blue come for you. |
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| 05:40.12 | brlcad | The linux 2.4 kernel has a bug that keeps it from allowing a parent process to gather cpu statistics on threaded children |
| 05:41.22 | brlcad | I've known about the bug for over a year now, but am just now trying to work around it and it's been kicking back all of my attempts to get something other than 0 cpu utilization.. |
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| 05:43.29 | brlcad | clock(), times(), and getrusage() all fail miserably. I'm trying a fork() hack now |
| 05:51.17 | Patlabor221 | what are you trying to do? |
| 05:51.21 | Patlabor221 | just profile? |
| 05:53.11 | Patlabor221 | bahh, I'm ether gonna have to do callbacks or integrate input with util |
| 05:53.21 | Patlabor221 | tho callbacks may not be a bad thing |
| 05:53.28 | Patlabor221 | I must ponder and sleep |
| 05:53.36 | Patlabor221 | best of luck with your thread thing |
| 05:54.10 | brlcad | it's for a benchmark performance metric |
| 05:54.25 | brlcad | ack, see ya pat ;) |
| 05:55.03 | triclops | brlcad: does pthread use user threads? |
| 05:56.33 | brlcad | LinuxThreads are their official name, I believe. In 2.4 it looks like linux actually made some sort of attempt at making them a little lighter weight than they were in the past |
| 05:56.54 | cniV | wait for 2.6 |
| 05:57.00 | cniV | then they have NPTL |
| 05:57.12 | brlcad | heh, I don't have that lesiure |
| 05:57.21 | Noodleman | we had joy, we had fun, running windows on a sun |
| 05:57.55 | brlcad | I've already ignored the problem for over a year |
| 05:58.07 | triclops | hmm, because i'm wondering if it is even possible to use getrusage with pthreads. |
| 05:58.41 | brlcad | it is/should be possible |
| 05:59.24 | brlcad | There's a patch in the 2.5 kernel for the bug, but that doesn't help me :/ |
| 05:59.41 | captain_proton | wheedledee |
| 06:00.24 | triclops | hehe. it'd be nice if there was a pthread function for measuring timing |
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| 06:00.33 | Merovigiam | ae ae |
| 06:01.55 | brlcad | Oh, I can measure the time inside the thread just fine using the regular facilities |
| 06:02.28 | triclops | ok.. |
| 06:02.30 | brlcad | I just need to be able to include the thread creation/destruction times as well from a parent perspective |
| 06:03.15 | triclops | so the parent needs to be able to gather the timing stats |
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| 06:03.43 | brlcad | yes, complete stats |
| 06:04.05 | triclops | ahh, okay. |
| 06:14.59 | brlcad | Toto's Pamela rocks |
| 06:19.48 | brlcad | W00T! |
| 06:19.58 | brlcad | it works =) +) -) |
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| 06:20.49 | brlcad | howdy moo man.. did you ever figure out your crash? |
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| 07:12.48 | bomber | moin |
| 07:24.31 | triclops | that'll teach it :) |
| 08:07.01 | brlcad | alrighty! :) |
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| 08:40.35 | brlcad | hola david |
| 09:02.45 | brlcad | wow, this place really gets noisy in the middle of the night |
| 09:05.19 | david_v | hallo brlcad. i was just idling here for a while |
| 09:05.57 | david_v | hmm... yet another PIF mail (virus) |
| 09:06.10 | david_v | they seem to like me |
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| 09:16.16 | brlcad | yay, chatelaine returns |
| 10:04.24 | dheckaman | heh |
| 10:28.34 | brlcad | hm.. time to wander home |
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| 11:22.55 | [dmp] | Heh. It seems that my raytracer is one of the most advance of our class .. Whee :) |
| 11:23.19 | [dmp] | So i guess its a comfert that im not the only one having "some" trouble with the math |
| 11:24.37 | david_v | hehe :) |
| 11:25.16 | [dmp] | But he couldnt recommend a book :( |
| 11:26.55 | [dmp] | But he will try to find something for next course. yeah. Great. Let me fail the exaim and try again to get that 20 pages crashcource into the math :) |
| 11:39.35 | bomber | :o) |
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| 13:54.50 | xicht | Hi all |
| 13:57.13 | xicht | I'm the founder of Kolousci team and we would like to gain (or lose) some points :-) |
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| 13:58.34 | xicht | hi scat, they are all afraid of us... nobody talks to me |
| 14:01.43 | Chestal | hi xicht, scat |
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| 14:06.07 | xicht | hi chestal, are you in any team? |
| 14:06.16 | Chestal | yes, "The Moles" |
| 14:06.30 | Chestal | still licking my wounds after yesterday's defeat :-) |
| 14:06.49 | xicht | we're ready to lose :-) |
| 14:07.03 | Chestal | I have no teammates around right now, though |
| 14:07.03 | xicht | me, scat and one more |
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| 14:07.58 | xicht | it's ok, let's choose a date and time :-) |
| 14:08.02 | Chestal | hi dmp |
| 14:08.26 | Chestal | you're all fromthr Czech Republic? |
| 14:08.32 | xicht | yes |
| 14:08.39 | [dmp] | hi Chestal |
| 14:08.58 | xicht | the same state, the same company, the same office :-) |
| 14:09.12 | Chestal | there used to be some strong players from that country, but these days I don't see them playing anymore: Sadista Muff was probably the best, they founded the at nam vlasy (or somethign like that) team |
| 14:09.36 | xicht | I think I know Muff personally |
| 14:09.57 | xicht | but it must have been very long ago |
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| 14:10.33 | Chestal | xicht: one of my teammates just arrived |
| 14:10.35 | Chestal | hi bomber |
| 14:10.42 | xicht | he's left Plzen (and the university) about 5 years ago |
| 14:10.48 | xicht | hi bomber :-) |
| 14:11.12 | xicht | my teammate has just left, but the other one is here |
| 14:11.38 | Chestal | if you want we can try to play a match on ducati port 59999 |
| 14:11.49 | xicht | I have also a server to practise CTF |
| 14:11.52 | Chestal | I hope that I won't be disturbed, I'm in the office,too :-) |
| 14:12.01 | xicht | I hope so |
| 14:12.01 | bomber | hi |
| 14:12.27 | Chestal | xicht: ok,meet on ducati 59999? or on your server if you prefer? |
| 14:12.38 | xicht | let's try ducati |
| 14:12.47 | Chestal | ok |
| 14:14.23 | xicht | I can't get to ducati:59999 |
| 14:14.33 | Chestal | ducati.bzflag.org port 59999? |
| 14:14.39 | xicht | yes |
| 14:14.43 | Chestal | hmm, should work |
| 14:14.51 | xicht | one more try |
| 14:14.52 | Chestal | can you join on eof the ducatis from the server list |
| 14:28.53 | xicht | we are so sorry |
| 14:29.02 | xicht | we have been interrupted |
| 14:31.11 | Chestal | no problem |
| 14:34.49 | xicht | I'll try to come during this weekend |
| 14:35.43 | Chestal | if you can play on afternoon time you might be able to arrange a fight with the DUB team. They're also quite new and I have seen them around at this time a lot |
| 14:36.54 | xicht | ok, I'll try to :-) |
| 14:37.04 | xicht | thanks for a short fight :-) |
| 14:38.37 | Chestal | my pleasure, we need more new teams. In the past, most of the new teams have died away quickly, and this is in part because other new teams had already died before. Thus, a new team could only play matches vs. veteran teams and this can get a little frustrating after a while |
| 14:44.34 | xicht | :-) |
| 14:44.43 | xicht | I understand |
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| 15:11.07 | fiberchunks | hello |
| 15:11.17 | Patlabor221 | hello |
| 15:11.25 | fiberchunks | whaz happonin? |
| 15:12.04 | fiberchunks | good to see bzgirl has her blog back online :) |
| 15:12.18 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 15:12.24 | Patlabor221 | not much |
| 15:12.31 | Patlabor221 | just fighintg with the IS guy |
| 15:12.40 | fiberchunks | still? jeez |
| 15:12.44 | Patlabor221 | asgard will be down today till get actualy does the routing |
| 15:13.09 | Patlabor221 | yeah, I'm going from raw net to the "optional" DMZ on the main firewall |
| 15:13.24 | Patlabor221 | he wanted to put me on the "trusted" but I would not have it. |
| 15:15.17 | Patlabor221 | and I'm still trying to get this 21 adjusted right |
| 15:16.41 | Patlabor221 | trying 1920x1440 but it doesn't seem to line up right with the 1600x1200 monitor next to it |
| 15:20.35 | fiberchunks | 1920x1440, lucky bastich :) |
| 15:21.06 | Patlabor221 | it'll go higher |
| 15:21.14 | Patlabor221 | but only at 60 hz |
| 15:21.24 | Patlabor221 | and it's not as clear as the dell 19 |
| 15:22.29 | Nidhoggr | yay! |
| 15:22.38 | Nidhoggr | we got nocatauth to work with palm devices. |
| 15:23.12 | Patlabor221 | http://www.artemisgames.com/bigun.jpg |
| 15:23.59 | Nidhoggr | sllllooooooow |
| 15:24.00 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 15:24.15 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 15:24.20 | Patlabor221 | I don't like that host |
| 15:24.36 | Patlabor221 | but it's not bandwith monitored |
| 15:24.41 | Patlabor221 | and it's not here, so it's up |
| 15:25.39 | Patlabor221 | 500 megs, un metered trafic, 1 access database, 1 shoping cart, and my own mailserver, for 100 a year |
| 15:25.49 | Patlabor221 | 50$ a year or each aditional account |
| 15:25.58 | Nidhoggr | cool |
| 15:26.05 | Nidhoggr | still waiting. |
| 15:26.12 | Patlabor221 | yeah they get slow sometimes |
| 15:26.28 | Patlabor221 | I don't know what else they are pumping thru that pipe |
| 15:26.47 | Patlabor221 | it is a 2.5 meg jpeg |
| 15:27.01 | Nidhoggr | got it |
| 15:27.04 | Nidhoggr | pretty cool :) |
| 15:27.11 | Nidhoggr | I still have to try my bzflag on my TV |
| 15:27.21 | fiberchunks | yah, it is kinda funky lookin, but huge |
| 15:27.30 | Patlabor221 | Halo played good on this monitor last night |
| 15:27.55 | Nidhoggr | we've been working on a thing to supply WAPs in the phoenix airport for america west customers using nocatauth, but it requires a js popup window. |
| 15:28.15 | Nidhoggr | we hacked it to look for palm in the browser type and just set a default timeout of an hour. |
| 15:28.37 | Nidhoggr | kinda annoying, but it works. |
| 15:29.40 | Patlabor221 | can anyone get to http://www.bakadigital.com ? |
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| 15:30.14 | Nidhoggr | nope |
| 15:30.23 | Patlabor221 | h |
| 15:30.29 | Patlabor221 | k even :) |
| 15:30.39 | Nidhoggr | where's it at? |
| 15:30.43 | Patlabor221 | he's got the internal routing right but not the external |
| 15:31.31 | Patlabor221 | well it's right here on the floor :) |
| 15:31.36 | Nidhoggr | yeah, it fails pretty quickly, so likely that it's "no route to hose" |
| 15:31.38 | Nidhoggr | host |
| 15:31.45 | Patlabor221 | going right into a router that isn't routing |
| 15:31.57 | Nidhoggr | sounds like time for a new IT guy. :) |
| 15:32.00 | Patlabor221 | I'll bet he's gonna make me change IP s |
| 15:32.09 | Patlabor221 | I've been saying that for years |
| 15:32.17 | Nidhoggr | I actually played bzflag for the first time in AGES last night. I was all happy. |
| 15:34.38 | Patlabor221 | ~nslookup www.bakadigital.com |
| 15:35.02 | Nidhoggr | I also bought trillian pro last night. |
| 15:35.10 | Patlabor221 | it does riock |
| 15:35.20 | Patlabor221 | tho every so often it's IRC will geek |
| 15:35.22 | Nidhoggr | it's nice. |
| 15:35.36 | Nidhoggr | don't leave it on with the popup on during bzflag, though. |
| 15:35.54 | Patlabor221 | the sys tray popup? |
| 15:37.19 | Nidhoggr | the one that pops up and says "soandso is online" |
| 15:37.29 | Nidhoggr | it pops up over the bz screen |
| 15:37.32 | Nidhoggr | then crashes. |
| 15:37.33 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 15:43.14 | Patlabor221 | yeah that's the systray one |
| 15:43.18 | Patlabor221 | I turn that off allt he time |
| 15:43.26 | Nidhoggr | might be a good idea. |
| 15:43.45 | Nidhoggr | I've never used it for IRC. I am so hooked on my ircII and derivatives. |
| 15:43.48 | Patlabor221 | don't need to kno the commings and goings of the heathens, umm I mean my friend |
| 15:44.01 | Nidhoggr | heh |
| 15:44.06 | Patlabor221 | it's nice for IRC |
| 15:44.20 | Patlabor221 | does the same loging |
| 15:44.35 | Patlabor221 | and querys to people look just like any other IM |
| 15:44.42 | Nidhoggr | if I could use it and never have to log out of IRC, I probably would. |
| 15:44.48 | Nidhoggr | but, that's not happening. :) |
| 15:44.56 | Nidhoggr | unless I use VNC or remote desktop. |
| 15:44.57 | Patlabor221 | yeah it cant do that |
| 15:45.53 | Nidhoggr | my irc sessions on dragon.org are active since aug 26th. :) |
| 15:46.08 | Nidhoggr | this one would be too if freenode didn't eat itself for dinner the other day. |
| 15:47.05 | Nidhoggr | they are sealing the floor in our new office space next door. I'm about ready to be sick from the fumes. |
| 15:47.46 | Patlabor221 | can you try www.bakadigital.com now? |
| 15:48.32 | Nidhoggr | same thing |
| 15:49.11 | Patlabor221 | i'm gonna reastart it |
| 15:49.21 | Nidhoggr | okie |
| 15:49.32 | Patlabor221 | he says the routing is set up |
| 15:54.37 | Patlabor221 | try just going to 208.48.199.217 |
| 15:55.00 | Nidhoggr | hang on... |
| 15:55.16 | Nidhoggr | same |
| 16:00.42 | Chestal | do we have an up-to-date description of the protocol? |
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| 17:13.24 | *** topic/#bzflag is LIST SERVER MOVED bzflist://12.237.229.200:5156/ || http://BZFlag.org/ || http://list.BZFlag.org/ || http://stats.BZFlag.org/ || forums http://bzbb.bzflag.org || cvs snapshots: http://sfsnap.babylonia.flatirons.org/ Win32 http://www.bakadigital.com/BZ/19 || http://students.cs.byu.edu/~cs470ta/labs/PfieldsLab.html |
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| 17:13.59 | TyroneFHornigh | Computer laxatives .... |
| 17:14.50 | bryjen | decongestants |
| 17:15.14 | Spiff | Whoa... this voice thingie in Windows XP is odd. |
| 17:15.20 | TyroneFHornigh | That's the garbage collection or defraggers :) |
| 17:15.33 | Spiff | If I had vision problems.... he'd confuse me worse. |
| 17:15.55 | TyroneFHornigh | vision problems are not necessarily related to eyes. :) |
| 17:16.38 | Spiff | This dude just doesn't talk fast enough. All I get is sh+jifdsa+fsdauo+afsdnh when I type. |
| 17:16.47 | Spiff | I guess I type too fast for him to keep up. :-) |
| 17:17.03 | Nidhoggr | heh |
| 17:17.53 | Spiff | Plus.. he says "Numbers sign fleeg" when I point at "#bzflag".. LoL. |
| 17:18.50 | Spiff | Geez.. that's going to give me nightmares. |
| 17:19.24 | Patlabor221 | well at least part of baka is up again :) |
| 17:19.51 | Patlabor221 | still have to get him to open 21,22,6667, and 2401 |
| 17:20.32 | Spiff | :-) |
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| 17:21.55 | bryjen | BRFH ? |
| 17:22.16 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o TimRiker] by ChanServ |
| 17:22.27 | Patlabor221 | Bavarian Roomates From Hell? |
| 17:22.40 | TyroneFHornigh | Receptionist instead of Operator |
| 17:22.58 | Patlabor221 | still bavarian? |
| 17:23.08 | Spiff | Dunno. But it was pleasant to see gonk talking for a change. :D |
| 17:23.26 | TyroneFHornigh | Bakadigital Receptionist from Harrisville. :) |
| 17:23.41 | bryjen | is bavaria located in hell? so you could be bavarian (from bavaria) _and_ from hell? |
| 17:23.44 | bryjen | ;) |
| 17:23.48 | Patlabor221 | well now that web is up I can now think about all the ways that the input manager won't work |
| 17:24.03 | TyroneFHornigh | Bavaria is right next to Bohemia ;) |
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| 17:26.31 | bryjen | hmm there's a Bavaria, KS, and a Bohemia, NY. not too close together. |
| 17:27.12 | TyroneFHornigh | There's wannabes all over the world. Several are closer than you think ;) |
| 17:27.13 | Patlabor221 | you do know there are other coutnries right? :) |
| 17:27.38 | bryjen | Huh? Since when? ;) |
| 17:28.32 | TyroneFHornigh | ~TyroneFHornigh is <reply>Think globally, Act locally. |
| 17:28.34 | | TyroneFHornigh: okay |
| 17:28.38 | Patlabor221 | couple days ago I hear |
| 17:28.49 | TyroneFHornigh | ~TyroneFHornigh |
| 17:28.50 | | Think globally, Act locally. |
| 17:29.26 | TyroneFHornigh | Somehow it seems appropriate for the day ;) |
| 17:29.45 | bryjen | Don't start about the Canadians being Americans again. Sombody up north left the door to Canada open and now its getting chilly down here. ;) |
| 17:30.43 | bryjen | ~kowb |
| 17:30.49 | TyroneFHornigh | Somehow Canada doesn't seem to be the issue in these parts :) |
| 17:31.06 | TyroneFHornigh | ~weather ksan |
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| 17:31.17 | bryjen | ibot: hello? |
| 17:31.18 | | Howdy Bub |
| 17:31.25 | bryjen | Okie |
| 17:31.53 | bryjen | ~kowb |
| 17:31.58 | bryjen | duh |
| 17:32.01 | bryjen | ~weather kowb |
| 17:32.11 | bryjen | ~lart bryjen |
| 17:32.17 | TyroneFHornigh | He is teachable :) |
| 17:32.29 | bryjen | And I'm feeling _much_ better now :) |
| 17:32.30 | TimRiker | TyroneFHornigh: bryjen or ibot? |
| 17:32.48 | TyroneFHornigh | Is that an inclusive or exclusive or? |
| 17:32.53 | bryjen | Well, I'm not an old dog yet.... |
| 17:33.45 | Chestal | hmm, when I change protocol, I up version and then set proto version to version, right? |
| 17:34.00 | Patlabor221 | yeah for now |
| 17:34.11 | Chestal | and 'beta' is sticky for now? |
| 17:34.33 | Patlabor221 | sticky? |
| 17:34.39 | Chestal | hmm, connection to my server is too fast |
| 17:34.43 | TyroneFHornigh | beta is part of the tag, what do you mean by sticky? |
| 17:34.49 | Chestal | well, we'll keep 'beta' until release now? |
| 17:34.54 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 17:34.55 | bryjen | there's a seldom heard complaint |
| 17:35.03 | Patlabor221 | since it seems we are feature complete |
| 17:35.08 | Chestal | I'm testing timestamping / jitter measurement |
| 17:35.18 | Chestal | so a worse connection would be better :-) |
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| 17:36.17 | TyroneFHornigh | I could help you out when I'm home. I can generate some fairly nasty network conditions from there. |
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| 17:37.07 | Chestal | seems to work so far |
| 17:37.20 | Chestal | just wondering what exactly would be useful to display in lagstats |
| 17:37.42 | Chestal | I can simply calc a moving average of the jitter exactly like the latency |
| 17:37.46 | TyroneFHornigh | Most people don't understand lagstats. |
| 17:38.01 | Chestal | e.g.: Lagger: 250ms / 40ms |
| 17:38.37 | Patlabor221 | give them a PBR ranking |
| 17:38.43 | Chestal | I can even update the latency with each jitter measurement |
| 17:38.54 | Chestal | so, lag ping every 10s to measure rount trip time |
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| 17:39.05 | Chestal | then update the latency on each receiption of MsgPlayerUpdate |
| 17:39.15 | TyroneFHornigh | Don't lose the packet loss count. |
| 17:39.28 | Chestal | that will be reworked, too |
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| 17:39.51 | Chestal | it will include notonl ypings, but lost / out of order PlayerUpdates, too |
| 17:40.04 | Chestal | however, just printing a total number does not seem to be that useful |
| 17:40.33 | Chestal | would be better to display the ratio of lost packets for the recent time |
| 17:41.02 | Chestal | ideally, this would be done in the transport layer, i.e. for all UDP packets |
| 17:41.10 | Chestal | but I'll stick with the current way for now |
| 17:41.30 | Chestal | the only other UDP packets are MsgShotBegin/End I guess? |
| 17:41.45 | Patlabor221 | most games do ping/packet loss reatio both to and from the server and show both |
| 17:42.14 | Chestal | yes, this would be an improvement |
| 17:42.17 | Chestal | but more work :-) |
| 17:42.35 | TyroneFHornigh | I guess I'm still trying to decide how the information is going to help me as well as other players. It's good to have the numbers for now, and document what they mean. Then decide on the correct display of the data. |
| 17:42.48 | Bagheera | after much review, i have decided that Chatzilla is my client of choice for us ignorant types |
| 17:43.08 | Chestal | ok, in a first version, I'll simply include the total number of lost packets |
| 17:43.31 | Chestal | that is, lost ping packets (either way) + lost/out of order PlayerUpdate packets (client->server) |
| 17:43.45 | Chestal | this should be transformed to some kind of moving average later |
| 17:44.26 | Chestal | right now, I am simply sending an absolute timestamp as 4 byte float |
| 17:44.33 | Chestal | other option would be to use a 2 byte delta |
| 17:45.00 | Chestal | the cleint receives this timestamp, too |
| 17:45.09 | Chestal | but doesn't use it now, it coudl be used to enhance deadreckoning |
| 17:48.15 | TimRiker | Chestal: float? |
| 17:48.21 | bryjen | looks like MsgGMUpdate is also UDP. donno if that's useful to know or not |
| 17:49.56 | Chestal | TimRiker: yes, TimeKeeper represents time in s |
| 17:50.20 | Chestal | PlayerUpdate is the majority of all packets |
| 17:54.30 | TimRiker | hmm... never noticed that TimeKeeper is a float. that's probably a Bad Thing for accuracy. |
| 17:55.22 | Chestal | I thought about that, too. I guess ms would be accurate enough for timestamping |
| 17:55.37 | Chestal | not sure how inaccurate the floats will get with increasing size, though |
| 17:55.52 | Chestal | ah |
| 17:55.59 | Chestal | TimeKeeper is using double internally |
| 17:56.10 | Chestal | but when you calc differences, it returns a float |
| 17:56.59 | Chestal | and my timestamp is TimeKeeper::getCurent() - TimeKeeper::getNullTime(), the same that is being used for that provisinal recording |
| 17:59.21 | Chestal | so, when a player plays full 24 hours, float accuracy would be down to about 10ms or so |
| 17:59.26 | Chestal | which is too inaccurate |
| 18:00.53 | Chestal | up to 4 hours or so of playtime it would still be ok |
| 18:06.39 | Spiff | Lunch calls. Spiffy shall return. :) |
| 18:10.40 | TimRiker | I'd suggest you want a usec long perhaps one that starts when the server starts. |
| 18:11.40 | Chestal | IMHO msec is enough |
| 18:11.47 | TyroneFHornigh | Is time_t and tm structures available on all platforms? |
| 18:11.59 | Chestal | Window suses its own time measurement |
| 18:12.02 | Chestal | wrapped in TimeKeeper |
| 18:12.24 | TyroneFHornigh | Does windows use floats for time measurement? |
| 18:12.35 | Chestal | eh,I don't think so |
| 18:13.30 | Chestal | hmm, order is a 4 byte value, seems a bit oversized, and it does not check for rolling over |
| 18:13.46 | Chestal | so, depending on the packet rate, a player can only be connected for 600 days or so :-) |
| 18:14.40 | TyroneFHornigh | I think I'll add TimeKeeper to my oversized "Let's look into why this is" list. |
| 18:15.34 | Chestal | TimeKeeper is simple. It gives you the current time. All you can do with TimeKeeper times is to calc the difference, which is a float in seconds |
| 18:15.45 | Chestal | furthermore it can store a reference time called the tick |
| 18:16.01 | Chestal | client uses that to define a reference time after each frame I think |
| 18:17.41 | TyroneFHornigh | Most simple time handlers I've worked with use time_t(long) for the time. Ticks used to be machine dependent and based on the local clock rate. |
| 18:18.12 | TyroneFHornigh | Newer hardware is smarter about calculating clocks. |
| 18:19.13 | Chestal | posix defines gettimeofday() |
| 18:19.40 | Chestal | it returns microseconds granularity, but the precision is probably not defined |
| 18:20.39 | Chestal | the call itself probably takes about 1 microsecond itself, so I wouldn't trust it to be that accurate :-) |
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| 18:21.01 | learner | :) |
| 18:21.15 | TyroneFHornigh | Welcome back, I hope you didn't have to use too many sharp objects :) |
| 18:21.34 | learner | Oh there will be no poking today any more |
| 18:21.46 | learner | Tis a good day, indeed |
| 18:24.43 | Nidhoggr | yay |
| 18:24.47 | Nidhoggr | congrats, learner. :) |
| 18:25.56 | TyroneFHornigh | It looks like TimeKeeper is currently using gettimeofday(), so I would guess the inaccuracy is already there. |
| 18:28.07 | Chestal | ms accuracy is good enough for me |
| 18:28.17 | Chestal | for timestamping to calc lag/jitter |
| 18:28.34 | Chestal | question right now is what to send over the wire |
| 18:28.55 | Chestal | quick solution I am using now is time in seconds since player connected as a float |
| 18:29.11 | Chestal | which has sub-ms resolution for the first few hours |
| 18:29.13 | learner | Thanks Nidhoggr |
| 18:29.20 | learner | Ah.. tab completion |
| 18:29.35 | learner | irc client that works.. |
| 18:29.41 | TyroneFHornigh | Actually, my question to myself is why the code is converting everything to float. It makes sense to send the float over the wire since the code is already doing it. I'm just wondering why do it in the first place. |
| 18:30.09 | Chestal | which code do you mean? TimeKeeper or my new code? |
| 18:30.41 | TyroneFHornigh | TimeKeeper, I haven't seen your code, but it makes sense to use what's there. |
| 18:30.43 | Chestal | for time differences (which are usually not much greater than a few seconds), float is good enough |
| 18:31.01 | Chestal | and all the rest of bzflag uses floats, too. I don't think there are too many doubles there |
| 18:31.15 | learner | Why is that, btw? |
| 18:31.49 | Chestal | not sure. Because of GL maybe? Or because that is what is sent over the wire? |
| 18:32.05 | TyroneFHornigh | For time, I would be using longs rather than floats or doubles. |
| 18:32.38 | Chestal | time in s is a nice represantation, though |
| 18:32.40 | Chestal | easy to use |
| 18:33.16 | Chestal | and a long might not be long enough |
| 18:33.50 | Chestal | so, the internal represantation in TimeKeeper as a double seems to be good to me |
| 18:33.59 | TyroneFHornigh | struct tm actually defines two longs. I've never had a problem with that. |
| 18:34.18 | Chestal | but only for internal represanation |
| 18:34.28 | Chestal | when you want to have a time difference, you have to use something else |
| 18:34.29 | learner | yes.. seconds and usecs |
| 18:35.00 | Chestal | whatever, I don't want to change anything |
| 18:35.20 | Chestal | question is simply what is best to send as a (relative?) timestamp over the wire in each MsgPlayerUpdate packet |
| 18:39.04 | TimRiker | http://www.cafeshops.com/bzflag.2713552 |
| 18:40.00 | Patlabor221 | mmmmm MS paint art |
| 18:47.45 | Chestal | well, if noone has a bright idea, I'll simply commit the float version for now |
| 18:48.32 | TimRiker | hehe |
| 18:49.05 | TyroneFHornigh | Definitely commit the float version now, I'd like to see the data. The rest is just mindless speculation from a programmer who already has too much else to do. :) |
| 18:49.18 | learner | hey, it's a start |
| 18:49.33 | Chestal | only downside to this is that we would have to change proto version again when we change the message, but Iguess that's not really important |
| 18:50.26 | TyroneFHornigh | I wouldn't worry about it. I suspect the proto version will change again in another couple of release. |
| 18:59.03 | CIA | 03chestal * 12bzflag/ (6 files in 3 dirs): introduce timestamps in MsgPlayerUpdate: float value representing time in s since client start (I think); use that in server to calc a moving average of a player's jitter; display that in lagstats; also include total number of lost/out of order packets in lagstats. Possible future improvements: Jitter measurement could be used to update the average lag value faster, too. Clients could use timestamps to correct ba |
| 18:59.54 | TyroneFHornigh | I wonder how to correct ba ;) |
| 19:00.06 | Chestal | msg too long :-) |
| 19:00.29 | TyroneFHornigh | The length should have been a float :) |
| 19:00.32 | scanline | well, line too long |
| 19:00.50 | scanline | ciabot.pl limits the number of lines in the commit message, but the length of the line is limited by IRC |
| 19:01.05 | scanline | I don't think it's smart enough to fold long lines |
| 19:04.40 | TimRiker | even ibot has issues with that... |
| 19:04.44 | TimRiker | ~dict set |
| 19:05.26 | TyroneFHornigh | It seems ibot is having a few issues today :) |
| 19:05.56 | TyroneFHornigh | ~hello |
| 19:05.57 | | Howdy Bub |
| 19:07.12 | TimRiker | ~reload |
| 19:07.12 | | reloading... |
| 19:07.12 | | reloaded. |
| 19:07.54 | TyroneFHornigh | Make sure ibot doesn't use up the ammo too quickly after reloading. |
| 19:09.30 | TimRiker | hehe |
| 19:09.35 | TimRiker | ~shoot TyroneFHornigh |
| 19:09.37 | | ACTION shoots TyroneFHornigh in the head. |
| 19:11.48 | TimRiker | ~test |
| 19:11.50 | | Passed |
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| 19:16.45 | *** join/#bzflag jolly (~k@jvnineteen.ne.client2.attbi.com) |
| 19:24.14 | Chestal | so, I need testers |
| 19:24.23 | Chestal | someone compile a client and join |
| 19:24.28 | Chestal | hi jolly |
| 19:24.43 | jolly | hey Ches |
| 19:27.22 | *** part/#bzflag drinian (~drinian@pcp153139pcs.hamntn01.nj.comcast.net) |
| 19:29.45 | Chestal | well, I guess I'll drive home now, we can test later |
| 19:31.39 | Tupone | Chestal: I'm ready ? |
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| 19:50.05 | bryjen | ducati has too good of a connection from here too :) |
| 19:50.30 | bryjen | jitters ~ 3ms |
| 19:52.47 | TimRiker | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:53.17 | learner | ~pingflood ducati |
| 19:53.20 | learner | :) |
| 19:56.40 | bryjen | wow. Tim's loaded. |
| 19:57.18 | TimRiker | hehe. "make -j bzImage modules" is obviously a bad idea. ;-) |
| 19:57.56 | learner | time to start kicking off some users :) |
| 19:58.17 | bryjen | there should be a number in there somewhere, no? |
| 19:59.45 | bryjen | or maybe you need "-l #" instead of "-j" |
| 19:59.51 | TimRiker | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:59.56 | TimRiker | headed back down now... |
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| 20:00.12 | learner | you're gaining users.. |
| 20:00.30 | TimRiker | -j<num> where -j == -j <infinite> |
| 20:00.57 | learner | perhaps while `true` ; do bash& ; done was a bad idea |
| 20:01.30 | bryjen | -l # doesn't start new jobs in load > # |
| 20:01.40 | TimRiker | learner: heh |
| 20:02.05 | bryjen | s/in/if |
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| 20:18.38 | Patlabor221 | I wonder if chestal bumped to 1.9.5 when he changed the proto |
| 20:18.57 | *** part/#bzflag david_v (~david_v@c213-200-135-241.cm-upc.chello.se) |
| 20:19.30 | Patlabor221 | he did, yay |
| 20:20.36 | Bagheera | http://www-swiss.ai.mit.edu/~bentz/bzflag/bzflag.html |
| 20:20.39 | bryjen | eep. are all the 1.9 servers auto-updating? and does that leave the folks who've fetched pre-build 1.9's out in the cold now? |
| 20:20.41 | Bagheera | worth a read |
| 20:20.53 | Patlabor221 | no the servers don't auto update |
| 20:21.03 | Patlabor221 | tho some admins may have there servers set to do so |
| 20:21.29 | Patlabor221 | I think learners servers update automaticly |
| 20:21.30 | bryjen | that's what i meant. i know brlcad did. |
| 20:21.47 | Patlabor221 | and Chestal probably did his duc 1.9 cus he was the one who made the change |
| 20:22.27 | learner | oh yea.. I haven't even checked if my server is on-line |
| 20:22.33 | Patlabor221 | I'm making a 1.9.5 windows bin and zip now |
| 20:23.05 | bryjen | the list says xmission, brlcad, and ducati are 1905 |
| 20:23.18 | Patlabor221 | then they updated |
| 20:23.18 | learner | heh, yay for cron jobs :) |
| 20:23.30 | *** part/#bzflag drinian (~drinian@pcp153139pcs.hamntn01.nj.comcast.net) |
| 20:23.46 | bryjen | and xgarreau is 1903. odd, i thought i saw it in my clients' list |
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| 20:24.01 | Patlabor221 | then he hasn't updated |
| 20:24.28 | Patlabor221 | t 1.9.4 used proto version 1903 |
| 20:24.37 | Patlabor221 | and 1.9.5 uses 1905 so no |
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| 20:24.55 | bryjen | my 1.9.5 shows xgarreau, and lets me connect, but i get kicked for out of bound right away |
| 20:25.35 | bryjen | my 1.9.5 _client_ that is |
| 20:26.11 | Patlabor221 | what is the protocoll version sown when you start? |
| 20:27.53 | Patlabor221 | 1.9.5 win bin is posted in the testing vers folder |
| 20:28.02 | Patlabor221 | man is SF a pig today |
| 20:30.54 | Patlabor221 | and a src zip is up now too |
| 20:31.24 | bryjen | client shows protocol 1905 |
| 20:32.07 | Patlabor221 | then it should only show servers that have the same proto version |
| 20:32.15 | bryjen | still lists/connects to xgarreau, but immediately booted after right click to enter |
| 20:32.58 | bryjen | http://list.bzflag.org:5156/ shows bzflag.xgarreau.org:5565 BZFS1903 |
| 20:34.41 | bryjen | wasn't the last char before (the e in BZFS107e) supposed to be insignificant to protocol? |
| 20:38.06 | Chestal | hmm, jitter detection seems to work, however I am not sure that the currently displayed value is that useful |
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| 20:42.13 | bryjen | Chestal: do you still see bzflag.xgarreau.org on the list in your 1.9.5 client? |
| 20:43.15 | Chestal | yes, and it kicks me |
| 20:43.49 | bryjen | its not using proto 1905 |
| 20:43.50 | Chestal | it says it is 1.9.3, strange |
| 20:44.01 | Chestal | should neither show up in my server list nor allow me to connect |
| 20:46.23 | Chestal | at leasr I assumed that that would be the case |
| 20:48.50 | Chestal | hmm, looks liek the code was never adjusted |
| 20:49.00 | Chestal | ServerLink.cxx seems to have the old version scheme handling |
| 20:50.57 | Chestal | and I guess becausthe bzfls runing is an old one it cannot handle the new version scheme correctly, either |
| 20:53.38 | bryjen | does bzfls even care about the version, or is filtering out incompatible server the client's responsibility? |
| 20:54.09 | Chestal | I think it cares about the version |
| 20:54.39 | Chestal | otherwise you'd see all the 1.7 sevrers in the 1.9 list |
| 20:54.43 | Chestal | it's the same server AFAI |
| 20:55.07 | Chestal | hmm, I cannot access CVS right now |
| 20:56.27 | bryjen | the list server could send them all and let the client decide which ones to show. maybe a bit wasteful that way. |
| 20:57.34 | Chestal | ah, I see. Well, I am not really familiar with the list server |
| 20:58.03 | Bagheera | arggggg, still get stuck on the tops of pyramids....oh well |
| 20:59.49 | TimRiker | the old client used to ignore the last character. is that still the case? |
| 21:00.25 | TimRiker | bzfls sends them all. the clients discard the ones they like. |
| 21:00.26 | Chestal | TimRiker: there is some strange code in ServerLink.cxx (and even stranger comments) |
| 21:00.30 | Chestal | looks like the old code to me |
| 21:00.41 | TimRiker | line? |
| 21:01.01 | bryjen | src/bzflag/menus.cxx:3514 if (strncmp(version, getServerVersion(), 7) == 0 && |
| 21:01.02 | bryjen | maybe |
| 21:01.48 | Chestal | it should comparethe full string now |
| 21:01.54 | bryjen | src/bzflag/ServerLink.cxx:173 // get server version and verify (last digit in version is ignored) |
| 21:02.21 | Chestal | server versin is BZFS<protocolversion> think |
| 21:02.27 | Chestal | those must be exact matches now |
| 21:03.40 | bryjen | i see serverlink displaying the version, but not verifing it..... |
| 21:04.15 | bryjen | uuup. n/m there it is |
| 21:04.26 | TyroneFHornigh | learner: Are you creating a mac client for 1.9.5? |
| 21:04.40 | bryjen | src/bzflag/ServerLink.cxx:183 if (strncmp(version, getServerVersion(), 7) != 0) { |
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| 21:33.36 | larsl | Can anyone connect to CVS? |
| 21:47.33 | Patlabor221 | I had to keep retrying, took me about 20 times |
| 21:50.48 | TyroneFHornigh | Retrying about 50 times, it still won't connect. ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host |
| 21:51.15 | larsl | Same for me. |
| 21:51.47 | TyroneFHornigh | Similar problem when trying to connect to asgard |
| 21:52.04 | TyroneFHornigh | However, I can connect to my typical machines |
| 21:54.26 | bryjen | i wonder if they tried to update openssh or openssl and failed |
| 21:56.07 | scanline | this is the same error sf's CVS server always gives when it's overloaded |
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| 21:59.04 | bryjen | those have had bug-fix releases recently. just speculating |
| 21:59.21 | david_v | Chestal: Fortix-BzR 5-2. finally a win :) |
| 22:00.43 | Chestal | heh, who played? |
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| 22:01.05 | david_v | me and Legolas (the first 13 minutes or so, then daBomb jumped in), vs Chiko and learner |
| 22:01.17 | Chestal | hmm |
| 22:01.20 | david_v | quite tough match. Legolas seems to have improved a lot |
| 22:01.28 | Chestal | chiko played for HoW yesterday |
| 22:01.33 | david_v | and? |
| 22:01.42 | david_v | played *for*, or against? |
| 22:01.46 | Chestal | for |
| 22:01.49 | david_v | eh |
| 22:01.55 | Chestal | together with Big Barrell |
| 22:02.00 | TyroneFHornigh | learner just got his connection back today. That's probably the first game he's played in a week. :) |
| 22:02.04 | Chestal | it was my understanding that she had left BzR |
| 22:02.07 | david_v | interesting |
| 22:02.08 | david_v | wait |
| 22:02.42 | TyroneFHornigh | She had left BzR, but it's not clear what she's doing on any given day. |
| 22:03.03 | david_v | this is interesting. but they didn't say anything about that to us. just said we were having an official match |
| 22:03.08 | Chestal | I cannot accept changign teams each other day, though |
| 22:03.25 | david_v | she's not officially joined on HoW as far as i can see |
| 22:03.40 | david_v | interestingly, she's not noted as the team leader of BzR atm |
| 22:03.59 | Chestal | I noticed that today and asked Big Barrell. Hedidn#t know why she wasn#t with them or acutaly had left them already |
| 22:04.26 | Chestal | yesterday she said something about learner being team leader now |
| 22:04.29 | Chestal | learner: I summon thee! |
| 22:04.31 | david_v | yes as i indicated, except i left out that detail |
| 22:04.38 | david_v | learner is playing on Ducati |
| 22:04.42 | david_v | but i can ask him if you like |
| 22:04.55 | Chestal | yes, that would be nice |
| 22:05.00 | david_v | brb |
| 22:05.02 | TyroneFHornigh | Drag him back here. :) |
| 22:05.21 | Chestal | if CHiko left BzR for HoW then joined back BzR one day later, then I don't liek that but if she sticks with BzR now, it would be acceptable |
| 22:05.46 | TyroneFHornigh | I hadn't heard she was going to HoW. |
| 22:06.04 | Chestal | it seemed to me that it was a quick decision yesterday |
| 22:07.56 | david_v | she's coming here |
| 22:08.08 | david_v | but basically she said she's back, and i suppose so stay, in BzR |
| 22:08.17 | david_v | *to |
| 22:09.10 | david_v | hm |
| 22:10.23 | Chestal | well, I guess I can already enter the result then |
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| 22:10.41 | bryjen | did somebody clone The Legendary ZeeBrothers ? there's two team with slightly different spellings with members of slightly different spellings. |
| 22:10.58 | Chestal | hi chiko. I wish you could make up your mind which team to play for |
| 22:11.06 | sn0w_kitty | heehe hi ches |
| 22:11.15 | sn0w_kitty | well umm itz not my fault |
| 22:11.22 | sn0w_kitty | BB ask mee 2 join his team |
| 22:11.30 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o TimRiker] by ChanServ |
| 22:11.43 | sn0w_kitty | an then i ran into learner last nite on ducati... |
| 22:11.59 | sn0w_kitty | an he kinda convince mee 2 come back 2 BzR |
| 22:12.16 | Chestal | hmm, but please stay with BzR now |
| 22:12.19 | sn0w_kitty | k |
| 22:12.21 | david_v | bryjen: seems like a very naive attempt of doing something |
| 22:12.23 | sn0w_kitty | i wil sir |
| 22:12.35 | Chestal | when players change the team always it kin dof defeats the purpose to have teams in the first place |
| 22:12.55 | david_v | i guess Chestal would like to have a look at that team (in the bottom of the list on the teams page) |
| 22:13.00 | Chestal | bryjen: yes, I guess some clown made that, we have decided to silently ignore it |
| 22:13.25 | david_v | aha |
| 22:13.29 | david_v | no see, no hear |
| 22:13.48 | Chestal | if the team/the player are not used they will be auto-deleted sooner or later |
| 22:13.54 | david_v | on the other hand the risk exists that they show up and you think you're matching the *real* TLZ :) |
| 22:14.08 | sn0w_kitty | ches iz mad @ mee |
| 22:14.19 | sn0w_kitty | sowee ches gee |
| 22:14.33 | Chestal | bad kitty, no food today ;-) |
| 22:14.37 | david_v | hehe |
| 22:14.39 | sn0w_kitty | lol |
| 22:14.45 | sn0w_kitty | o dat reminds mee |
| 22:14.47 | david_v | well, good night folks :) |
| 22:14.53 | david_v | thanks Ches |
| 22:14.53 | Chestal | bye david |
| 22:14.54 | sn0w_kitty | ibot: botsnack |
| 22:14.54 | | sn0w_kitty: :) |
| 22:15.02 | sn0w_kitty | nbye davy |
| 22:15.04 | sn0w_kitty | -n |
| 22:15.34 | Chestal | I hope that DUB keeps up the spirit and that new Czech team will play some matches soon (and hopefully improve) |
| 22:15.56 | sn0w_kitty | o da czechs made a team? |
| 22:16.08 | Chestal | the last x attempts of not-yet-so-brilliant-teams failed, after losing badly a couple of times they all lost interest |
| 22:16.21 | sn0w_kitty | yea dat happens |
| 22:16.24 | sn0w_kitty | :P |
| 22:16.26 | Chestal | not a country team (although maybe they woudl do that too) |
| 22:16.34 | sn0w_kitty | i c |
| 22:16.57 | Chestal | lupi and I had a match with them today, but they had to leave after some minutes |
| 22:17.45 | sn0w_kitty | wel da league doesnt have much ruling on switching teams , (not like the I.S. tournament has) maybee u should make a rule bout it 4 da ctf-league |
| 22:18.26 | sn0w_kitty | btw legolas sed that u tho the I.S. thingie was unclear wif rules?? |
| 22:18.28 | Chestal | I don't think that everything has to be put down in rules |
| 22:18.38 | sn0w_kitty | i do |
| 22:18.41 | sn0w_kitty | rules r good |
| 22:18.54 | Chestal | but there will always be cases that are not covered by rules |
| 22:19.11 | sn0w_kitty | u make new rules as da situation changes |
| 22:19.15 | sn0w_kitty | u mus adapt |
| 22:19.17 | sn0w_kitty | :) |
| 22:19.31 | bryjen | who gets to make the rules tho ? |
| 22:19.39 | sn0w_kitty | the admins |
| 22:19.48 | scanline | ~nickometer sn0w_kitty |
| 22:19.49 | | 'sn0w_kitty' is 38.000% lame, scanline |
| 22:19.56 | sn0w_kitty | who get there opinions from the general concensus |
| 22:19.57 | bryjen | admins of what ? |
| 22:20.12 | sn0w_kitty | wow 38% eh |
| 22:20.49 | sn0w_kitty | i can c y i dunt really miss bz irc chat |
| 22:21.31 | sn0w_kitty | anywayzzz |
| 22:22.14 | sn0w_kitty | maybee i wil rejoin HoW |
| 22:22.19 | sn0w_kitty | ;) |
| 22:22.20 | sn0w_kitty | LoL |
| 22:22.33 | sn0w_kitty | since therez no ruling on it |
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| 22:22.38 | sn0w_kitty | adios |
| 22:22.39 | scanline | i c. LOLOLOL. |
| 22:23.22 | bryjen | ~nickometer scanline |
| 22:23.22 | | 'scanline' is 0.000% lame, bryjen |
| 22:23.53 | bryjen | ~nickometer scan_line |
| 22:23.53 | | 'scan_line' is 14.000% lame, bryjen |
| 22:23.54 | scanline | google translations needs to support AOL |
| 22:24.03 | bryjen | ~nickometer scan_l1ne |
| 22:24.03 | | 'scan_l1ne' is 38.000% lame, bryjen |
| 22:24.14 | bryjen | one _ and one digit |
| 22:24.15 | TyroneFHornigh | It's just a measurement of length of nick, along with a couple of other checks. |
| 22:24.29 | TyroneFHornigh | ~nickometer _ |
| 22:24.30 | | '_' is 14.000% lame, tyronefhornigh |
| 22:24.31 | scanline | TyroneFHornigh: length isn't really that important |
| 22:24.44 | scanline | TyroneFHornigh: it's mostly punctuation and numbers, but there are a ton of rules it uses |
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| 22:24.54 | TyroneFHornigh | ~nickometer asaasdkfjhlskjhasfhlakshdfsljkhfkjasl |
| 22:24.54 | | 'asaasdkfjhlskjhasfhlakshdfsljkhfkjasl' is 0.000% lame, tyronefhornigh |
| 22:25.08 | scanline | hmm, guess it doesn't check length at all |
| 22:25.16 | bryjen | ~nickometer _1 |
| 22:25.16 | | '_1' is 28.000% lame, bryjen |
| 22:25.18 | TyroneFHornigh | ~nickometer ALKS |
| 22:25.18 | | 'ALKS' is 69.000% lame, tyronefhornigh |
| 22:25.36 | TyroneFHornigh | It doesn't like upper case either. |
| 22:25.46 | Patlabor221 | ~nickometer 1c00ldUd34U |
| 22:25.46 | | '1c00ldUd34U' is 99.880% lame, patlabor221 |
| 22:25.53 | Patlabor221 | I would think so |
| 22:25.59 | bryjen | ~nickometer TyroneFHornigh |
| 22:25.59 | | 'TyroneFHornigh' is 53.000% lame, bryjen |
| 22:26.19 | TyroneFHornigh | and whether one walks without a cane ;) |
| 22:26.39 | Patlabor221 | it doesn't say "gimpometer" |
| 22:26.52 | TyroneFHornigh | It says lame :) |
| 22:27.14 | bryjen | 53% ? no use of one leg and the other is at 97% ? |
| 22:27.26 | bryjen | ;) |
| 22:27.41 | TyroneFHornigh | Wanna walnetto, heh heh |
| 22:30.50 | Patlabor221 | ssh should only use port 22 right? |
| 22:31.35 | TyroneFHornigh | I think I scared bryjen :) |
| 22:32.35 | scanline | Patlabor221: right |
| 22:32.46 | Patlabor221 | coo |
| 22:33.28 | Patlabor221 | I asked for ports 21,22,2401, and 6667 open in adition to 80, I can't think of any others I may need |
| 22:33.46 | scanline | 25? |
| 22:34.02 | Patlabor221 | there is no mailserver on it |
| 22:34.34 | learner | 447 |
| 22:34.36 | Patlabor221 | seems somone on that IP a while ago did some nasty, and got SMTP blocked at the ISP |
| 22:34.51 | Patlabor221 | asgard moved to behind a hardware firewall :( |
| 22:34.56 | Patlabor221 | what is 447? |
| 22:35.13 | Chestal | cvs works for me now |
| 22:35.28 | scanline | https |
| 22:35.29 | learner | er, 443 :) |
| 22:35.43 | scanline | or something :) |
| 22:35.45 | TyroneFHornigh | There's nothing available at port 22 on asgard. I just tried a generic tcp connection. |
| 22:35.47 | Patlabor221 | don't think I need that yet |
| 22:36.18 | Patlabor221 | yeah it's hiting the blackhole on the firewall |
| 22:36.27 | learner | secure streaming pr0n |
| 22:36.30 | Patlabor221 | your not actualy hiting the machine any more direclyty |
| 22:36.39 | Patlabor221 | ssh the pr0n :) |
| 22:37.14 | TyroneFHornigh | I was just checking to see if anything was available at that port and IP. |
| 22:38.20 | Patlabor221 | the firewall is prestly only routing port 80 on that IP to the machine |
| 22:38.43 | Patlabor221 | tho if you can haxor the firebox :) |
| 22:39.04 | TyroneFHornigh | I don't do things like that to other people's machines. |
| 22:39.13 | Patlabor221 | it's not a machine |
| 22:39.23 | Patlabor221 | not in the real sense |
| 22:39.32 | TyroneFHornigh | It's not mine either. |
| 22:39.36 | Patlabor221 | it's this rack mount red box thingy |
| 22:39.52 | Patlabor221 | looks like it has a flux capacitor on it |
| 22:40.14 | TyroneFHornigh | learner: I asked you previously (probably after you went all tanky-tank) if you had created a 1.9.5 mac client for distribution. :) |
| 22:40.55 | TyroneFHornigh | If it has a flux capacitor, then there's a simple solution. Just accelerate it to 88 MPH and you'll be rid of it. ;) |
| 22:41.06 | Chestal | hmm, the initial handshake assumes that server version is always 8 digits |
| 22:41.26 | Chestal | and as the first 4 characters are alwaya BZFS, that leaves only 4 digits |
| 22:41.51 | Chestal | that will break when we move to 1.10 |
| 22:42.31 | Patlabor221 | yes when we go to 1.10 we talked about changing it, and/or just starting the version from 1 |
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| 22:43.20 | TyroneFHornigh | There seems to be some connectivity issues deep in the heart of Texas. |
| 22:44.10 | gonk-work | TyroneFHornigh: thats sad |
| 22:44.16 | Chestal | Tim: several locations in the code assume that server version is always 8 digits long (BZFS1905) |
| 22:44.27 | Chestal | Tim: that will break for 1.10 though, won't it? |
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| 22:50.04 | CIA | 03chestal * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (2 files): all of the server version is now relevant to check for compatible version |
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| 22:50.45 | Patlabor221 | does that mean I should rebuild the 1.9.5 build I made and posted? |
| 22:52.13 | CIA | 03chestal * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (bzfs.cxx): jitter should be mostly < 100ms so only reserve two digits when formatinng |
| 22:52.22 | Chestal | the older version shows 1.9.3 servers in the list and tries to connect to them |
| 22:52.47 | Patlabor221 | I would take that as a yess |
| 22:53.51 | TyroneFHornigh | ~d |
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| 23:05.12 | TimRiker | ~x en jp TimRiker wonders how many native Japanese speakers play BZFlag. |
| 23:05.46 | TimRiker | Chestal: probably yes. |
| 23:05.59 | TimRiker | we need to move to a new bzfls server then so we can fix it. |
| 23:07.01 | TimRiker | ~x en kr TimRiker wonders how many native Korean speakers play BZFlag. ;-) |
| 23:07.44 | TyroneFHornigh | And people complain about me using unicode characters. ☺ |
| 23:08.32 | TimRiker | TyroneFHornigh: nice smiley "☺" |
| 23:09.10 | TyroneFHornigh | TimRiker: Thanks ♨ |
| 23:10.32 | TimRiker | TyroneFHornigh: ♩♪♬♫ to my ears |
| 23:11.13 | TyroneFHornigh | TimRiker: It suits (♠♥♦♣) me. |
| 23:11.28 | TimRiker | better than the ☎ |
| 23:14.15 | TimRiker | don't spend to much €₪₣₤₮ on it |
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| 23:55.05 | Spiff | adsf, eh? |
| 23:58.33 | Roadkill | adsf is another form of asdf for the dyslexic |
| 23:59.17 | Spiff | Ic Ic. I prefer fdsa.. ;-) |
