| 00:00.14 | TyroneFHornigh | We have ways of making you talk ....... |
| 00:00.17 | Patlabor221 | ahh I can work that out later |
| 00:00.46 | Patlabor221 | this takes all input from any device and lets you asign it to any "command" |
| 00:00.53 | Patlabor221 | and they all work the same |
| 00:01.19 | TyroneFHornigh | Is this for the new game which has tanks but is not bzflag? |
| 00:01.33 | Patlabor221 | so if you wanted "jump" to be the pedal on a thrustmaster the API to call that is the same as it is for a keyboard key |
| 00:01.43 | Patlabor221 | it is code |
| 00:01.53 | Patlabor221 | it could be used in many places |
| 00:01.57 | Patlabor221 | it uses SDL |
| 00:02.02 | Patlabor221 | this is what I shall say |
| 00:02.57 | Patlabor221 | this would even support analog buttons if SDL supported it, but if you wanted to you could register your own input device class that perhaps called a difrent API |
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| 00:12.40 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/ (5 files in 5 dirs): mop up after learner |
| 00:12.44 | captain_proton | :) |
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| 00:18.03 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/ (TODO): attempt to pacify riker |
| 00:18.21 | Patlabor221 | oooo, or I could do anjunta projects :) bet that would go over well |
| 00:18.49 | captain_proton | actually, anjuta projects aren't that bad |
| 00:18.55 | captain_proton | because you can still build with make |
| 00:19.02 | captain_proton | but not nearly as neat as scons |
| 00:19.05 | Patlabor221 | ahh keen |
| 00:19.48 | Patlabor221 | this time I set it up clean, all the files are in src and inc dirs, and the windows stuff is in a VC6 dir for each project |
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| 00:20.42 | Patlabor221 | also found a way to use STL conainers in DLLs that's cleaner then that void* crap |
| 00:21.06 | captain_proton | good |
| 00:21.30 | Patlabor221 | the "pinple" idiom :) |
| 00:22.08 | Patlabor221 | ohh and I REALLLY tried hard not to put i,f,b,and sz in front of vars and params |
| 00:22.13 | MrApathyCream | w00t |
| 00:22.17 | captain_proton | good |
| 00:22.18 | MrApathyCream | how bouts m_? |
| 00:22.24 | Patlabor221 | no, none of those |
| 00:22.33 | captain_proton | did you start your class names with C? |
| 00:22.35 | Patlabor221 | I still do t for typedefs, and C for classes |
| 00:22.36 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 00:22.37 | MrApathyCream | hehe |
| 00:22.42 | Patlabor221 | that I find helps me |
| 00:22.43 | MrApathyCream | p for pointers? |
| 00:22.48 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 00:23.01 | captain_proton | but at least you're improving |
| 00:23.29 | MrApathyCream | kind like name a database table, user_table |
| 00:23.40 | MrApathyCream | how many rows are in the user_table table? |
| 00:24.00 | MrApathyCream | (: |
| 00:26.22 | MrApathyCream | someone slap brlcad for me if he shows up, i'll be back later |
| 00:26.29 | captain_proton | be seeing you |
| 00:26.52 | Patlabor221 | I see the t and C as part of a comprimise :) |
| 00:27.19 | captain_proton | thats like saying "i'll only beat 5 baby seals today" |
| 00:27.26 | Patlabor221 | yes! |
| 00:27.34 | Patlabor221 | they looked at me funny |
| 00:28.08 | Patlabor221 | all humans are inherinly evil, so beeing less evil makes me good, since it's all relitive |
| 00:30.11 | Patlabor221 | but now I think it's time for another hit of the nasty green elixer |
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| 01:24.39 | Michaelh | you guys talk too much |
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| 01:29.01 | SGIa | hi |
| 01:30.33 | SGIa | hello |
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| 01:31.25 | Michaelh | greetings and salutations |
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| 01:43.08 | SGIa | hello |
| 01:46.59 | SGIa | ~dict twitchy |
| 01:47.36 | SGIa | ~dict twitch |
| 01:48.14 | SGIa | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:52.32 | Michaelh | ibot I fart in your general direction |
| 01:52.33 | | Michaelh: are you using Windows? |
| 01:52.57 | Michaelh | ibot yes |
| 01:52.58 | | You dont say! |
| 01:53.14 | Michaelh | ibot you don't save state do you? |
| 01:53.15 | | Michaelh: I give up, what is it? |
| 02:07.32 | Michaelh | ibot a mind is an aweful thing to waste |
| 02:07.34 | | Michaelh: okay |
| 02:07.40 | Michaelh | ibot a mind |
| 02:07.41 | | i haven't a clue, Michaelh |
| 02:10.54 | MrApathyCream | having fun Michaelh? |
| 02:12.38 | SGIa | ibot I love you |
| 02:12.39 | | i love you is, like, "I love you too" |
| 02:13.39 | SGIa | I cant login with my nick |
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| 02:18.25 | Michaelh | bleh |
| 02:30.49 | Michaelh | so once you have a real job and make real money.. then you can afford things that you no longer have time to use..... |
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| 02:31.32 | Patlabor221 | yes that is the point of it all |
| 02:31.57 | JBDiGriz | heh |
| 02:36.34 | MrApathyCream | yup |
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| 02:37.32 | Michaelh | not that I am quite there yet, but I think I may arrive at that point soon |
| 02:37.35 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (playing.cxx): Allow fire, identify, drop while selecting hunt target - Adam Krell |
| 02:38.23 | MrApathyCream | heh, drinian left just as his checkin goes in :) |
| 02:38.50 | Michaelh | I suppose even if a job doesn't last as long as I might like it to -- anything beats CompUSA........ |
| 02:40.57 | Michaelh | http://autoweek.com/images_content/2003_09/microbusmain.jpg |
| 02:42.48 | Quol | hello all. |
| 02:42.56 | JBDiGriz | how's it going, q? |
| 02:43.14 | Quol | not bad JB - and you? |
| 02:43.49 | JBDiGriz | Pretty much same old same old. Homework for the kids and figuring out how to keep making a living for me. |
| 02:43.56 | Quol | just testing out some SQl replication and messing with me new netscreen's - trying to configure a VPN with some clients |
| 02:44.30 | Quol | inbetween jobs? or just pondering about the future? |
| 02:45.28 | JBDiGriz | This USB driver has been mostly working for a while. I found a couple of timing problems after they finally got a sniffer, but I suspect I'll have to find the next job soon. |
| 02:47.25 | Patlabor221 | whooooo, feel that nyquill kick in :P |
| 02:47.49 | JBDiGriz | Make sure you land in a soft spot ;) |
| 02:48.01 | Patlabor221 | naw now's the time to make the good code :) |
| 02:48.07 | Quol | sorry to hear that JB - I hate the "I guess it's time to find something else" phase |
| 02:48.23 | Patlabor221 | the kind you wonder "who wrote this crap, when you wake up the AM" |
| 02:48.29 | JBDiGriz | It's part of the contract biz. I'm used to it by now. |
| 02:48.35 | Quol | I *almost* jumoed ship a week back or so - got an offer that made me go hmmmmmmmm |
| 02:48.59 | Quol | err - that should be jumped :) |
| 02:49.27 | JBDiGriz | Good offers should always be investigated, unless you have a company that really treats you as a person. |
| 02:49.52 | Quol | oh - I investigated all right :) - it was really tempting |
| 02:50.13 | Quol | but I will tough it out here for a while and see where ti goes - I am on the senior management team now |
| 02:50.20 | Michaelh | So you got out the stick and poked it a bit? |
| 02:51.53 | Quol | yes - that's right Michaelh - I poked, and poked, and poked and they threw all sorts of money my way - but I would have gotten board there, so decided to stay where I was |
| 02:51.55 | Quol | got a 15K raise out of it though - not bad :) |
| 02:52.24 | JBDiGriz | So you held up your current company as well. That's not always the safest way to play it ;) |
| 02:52.42 | Michaelh | lol |
| 02:52.45 | Quol | wasn't planning on it actually - it all happened by accident |
| 02:53.00 | Quol | I told my manager who already quit (the CTO) |
| 02:53.21 | JBDiGriz | Since you're senior management now, it's probably ok, most upper level management seem to play that game a lot. |
| 02:53.29 | Quol | I thought I could trust him, but he told the COO and CEO who was in spain at the time |
| 02:53.53 | Quol | next morning I had the CEO in a conference call from spain *matching* whatever offer I had |
| 02:54.11 | Quol | I think I made a mistake by telling the truth - should have raised the bar a little - heh :) |
| 02:54.21 | Quol | ohh well - live and learn |
| 02:54.29 | JBDiGriz | it gives you a bit more insight into what's expected of you as a member of the senior team. |
| 02:54.46 | Michaelh | So being in management means you have to listen to the corporate weanies.. and take them seriously |
| 02:54.59 | Quol | yes and no Michaelh |
| 02:55.13 | JBDiGriz | No, it means you have to interpret what they're saying and play the political game. |
| 02:55.30 | Quol | it means that I actually have a say in what direction the company will take and how technologically we can do it |
| 02:55.45 | Quol | true JB - very true |
| 02:55.50 | Michaelh | I just know that the Corporate folks have a somewhat limited say at the store level at compusa |
| 02:56.33 | Quol | that would be different the a development shop where the technology drives the business - like my current employment |
| 02:56.33 | Michaelh | they get mad when something happens, send out an angry letter.. and then eventually the store keeps doing it the same old way |
| 02:56.48 | Michaelh | repeat ad naseum |
| 02:57.19 | JBDiGriz | If you hear of anyone who needs some development work done, let me know. :) |
| 02:57.29 | Quol | I am in a place where I have to make and implement some policies, and the place is small enough that it sholdn't be too much of a problem - less technical though - ohh well |
| 02:57.44 | Michaelh | corporate screws up add, corporate doesn't stock the shelves -- customer yells at people in the store |
| 02:57.49 | Quol | well - this is a complete MS shop JB |
| 02:58.04 | Michaelh | people in store decide to ignore "real" return policy |
| 02:58.21 | Quol | life as retail - I know that story real well Michaelh |
| 02:58.29 | Quol | I was a dollar store manager once upon a time |
| 02:58.45 | Michaelh | Happily I have *4* days left at the compusa....... |
| 02:58.56 | JBDiGriz | Where to after that? |
| 02:59.04 | Michaelh | http://www.wyde.com |
| 02:59.17 | Michaelh | consulting company of a sort |
| 02:59.21 | Quol | I had a 20 minute "discussion" on why the brystal board we had in stock wasn't black - it was mostly black, the customer insisted that it was grey |
| 02:59.32 | Michaelh | heh |
| 02:59.38 | Michaelh | have to love insane customers |
| 03:00.09 | Michaelh | you know a customer is trouble when they ask about UBS cables |
| 03:00.21 | JBDiGriz | That looks like a good place to go after compusa. |
| 03:00.24 | Quol | I told the customer that we don't sell black - she asked - will you get any? - I told her "never - we only sell grey :) |
| 03:00.30 | Michaelh | heh |
| 03:01.16 | Michaelh | wyde apparently sells development tools -- they have some proprietary language they call "gold" which can be deployed in either C++ or Java.. kind a weird |
| 03:01.50 | Michaelh | And they have a few people that run around the midwest along with a bunch of hired help from the like of accenture to develop applications |
| 03:02.14 | Quol | I had another customer ask me if I had any picture frames in the back - I showed her the ones on the floor, but she said that she didn't like the pictures in the ones on the floor. I told her that these were only sample pictures, and that she could put her own pictures in them - and she asked me how |
| 03:02.23 | JBDiGriz | There are many companys who always have a better idea. Sometimes they really do, sometimes they don't. A lot of it depends on the sales/marketing people's ability to read the customers and provide the correct story/solution. |
| 03:03.05 | MrApathyCream | Patlabor221, are you planning to automatize the installer w/regards to date|version stuff? |
| 03:03.11 | Michaelh | Gota love those customers that actually say they don't know anything about computers and then get mad at us because they can't get something to work |
| 03:03.13 | MrApathyCream | awww |
| 03:03.32 | JBDiGriz | I was too busy laughing at the picture frame story. |
| 03:04.02 | Quol | I thought you would like that one JB - we laughed for days - it became a sort of legend |
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| 03:04.22 | JBDiGriz | What do you need automated with regards to the date/version stuff? We pick it up from version.h right now. |
| 03:04.29 | Quol | brb.. |
| 03:05.00 | Michaelh | At any rate -- the concept is valid enough -- being able to model applications and build them with class diagrams, etc... but a whole new freaking language to support/learn? |
| 03:06.09 | JBDiGriz | Take a couple of years and get to know the methodology. They might have a good idea, or they could be complete twits. It's still a good job and you can learn a lot if you listen. |
| 03:08.16 | Michaelh | I figure as much -- if nothing else I can look at the end result and learn from that |
| 03:09.22 | Michaelh | What's funny is they apparently work with Accenture -- people who refused to give even a passing chance at a job -- and now I'll probably be working with them on the same team... |
| 03:10.06 | JBDiGriz | Your loss ;) As the maids always say, "I don't do Windows" |
| 03:10.30 | Michaelh | that said -- some people don't seem to have high opinions of accenture... |
| 03:11.10 | Michaelh | one thing about wyde's platforms -- they all seem to be able to go cross platform -- unix/java and the like |
| 03:11.35 | JBDiGriz | I haven't worked with Accenture, and I'm out the developing new languages business. It's good to go through that a few times though. |
| 03:12.21 | Quol | anyone for a game of BZ? all High Speed FFA or CTF? |
| 03:12.39 | MrApathyCream | 1.9? |
| 03:13.08 | Quol | I only have an old client MrApathyCream? but if you are willing - sure |
| 03:13.08 | Michaelh | freaking 11 hour flight to Paris .. fun fun fun |
| 03:13.31 | MrApathyCream | quol win32? |
| 03:13.51 | Quol | ya - haven't downloaded any new ones for a coupld of months or so |
| 03:13.52 | JBDiGriz | It will take me about 5 minutes to update my client, but after that I might be able to join for a bit. |
| 03:13.54 | Michaelh | I wonder if it's possible to actually eat up 24hrs in airports and air time..... |
| 03:14.04 | MrApathyCream | can get one @ bzflag.mebigfatguy.com |
| 03:14.09 | MrApathyCream | 9/29 |
| 03:14.11 | MrApathyCream | new enough |
| 03:14.55 | JBDiGriz | It's easy to eat up 24 hours in travel time through airports and air time. You might not be able to get off the continent in that time. |
| 03:15.08 | MrApathyCream | xmission:5154? |
| 03:15.20 | Quol | MrApathyCream - downloading now - see you ar xmissions soon |
| 03:15.31 | Michaelh | and then arrive right in time to start work :) |
| 03:15.35 | Quol | boy oh boy - how's that for some typos |
| 03:18.04 | JBDiGriz | eeep, someone's been breaking the mac build in changing the voting. |
| 03:21.24 | MrApathyCream | learner |
| 03:21.30 | MrApathyCream | command.cxx needs to be added to bzfs |
| 03:22.16 | Michaelh | hmm .. people are actually trying to compile :) |
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| 03:41.00 | SGIaa | hello |
| 03:41.10 | SGIaa | hi Quol |
| 03:47.04 | SGIaa | /msg nick server identify pirillo |
| 03:55.15 | SGIaa | shooooooooot |
| 03:56.22 | SGIaa | double pist off |
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| 05:09.33 | Megachirops | g'evening everyone.. How is everyone today? |
| 05:25.29 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/ (TODO): doc need for /reset |
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| 10:51.09 | mmu_man | hmm |
| 10:51.19 | mmu_man | does bzflag play any dirty bit with the heap ? |
| 10:51.27 | mmu_man | any malloc() trick ? |
| 10:51.42 | mmu_man | it seems to crash in malloc_internal each time |
| 10:51.47 | Chestal | if it does, it's not by design :-) |
| 10:52.14 | Chestal | but freeing memory twice or simply writing to odd memory locations can cause that quite easily |
| 10:53.27 | mmu_man | well... |
| 10:53.53 | mmu_man | maye it writes in the managment data of the ehap, making the allocator confused |
| 10:53.57 | mmu_man | weirdo |
| 10:54.23 | mmu_man | the problem is with this *ù$^ GL lib I can't use anything I usually can to debug |
| 10:54.28 | mmu_man | strace locks up |
| 10:54.38 | mmu_man | leak checking eats up ram... |
| 10:54.51 | mmu_man | maybe it's just a bug in the libGL itself, who knows :^) |
| 10:54.58 | Chestal | possibly |
| 10:55.21 | Chestal | not eady to find. overloading global operator new and delete can sometimes help to find bugs |
| 10:55.53 | Chestal | e.g. simply adding a magic pattern before/after each mem region and check if it's intact on delete |
| 10:55.53 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/ (configure.in): add profiling support for os x for debug and non-debug builds |
| 10:55.58 | Chestal | well, lunch break |
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| 11:12.34 | mmu_man | ok |
| 11:12.39 | mmu_man | I inserted a |
| 11:12.40 | mmu_man | for(int cnter=0; cnter<100; cnter++) { snooze(100000); mainWindow->getWindow()->yieldCurrent(); } |
| 11:12.55 | mmu_man | before the instanciation of MainMenu |
| 11:13.12 | mmu_man | it doesn't crash there, so I suppose it's a forward condition |
| 11:15.19 | mmu_man | hmm, let's try to malloc() in that loop |
| 11:15.29 | larsl | snooze()? |
| 11:16.38 | mmu_man | BeOS eq for nanosleep |
| 11:16.45 | mmu_man | though it was here way before |
| 11:20.34 | mmu_man | ok, did |
| 11:20.36 | mmu_man | for(int cnter=0; cnter<100; cnter++) { snooze(100000); free(malloc(100000)); mainWindow->getWindow()->yieldCurrent(); } |
| 11:20.55 | mmu_man | does,'t crash, can move the window around, (threading rules) |
| 11:21.11 | mmu_man | besides, it goes forward if it can't connect |
| 11:21.21 | mmu_man | I can go to the option menus, ... |
| 11:21.46 | mmu_man | I'll try to move that code around until it crashes |
| 11:21.53 | mmu_man | down to playingLoop() |
| 11:23.56 | brlcad | that's funkyness |
| 11:25.38 | mmu_man | yeah, well, don't have much choice in that case |
| 11:25.54 | mmu_man | even stack crawls aren't useful |
| 11:26.25 | brlcad | stack crawl =?= stack trace |
| 11:26.55 | mmu_man | yup |
| 11:27.39 | mmu_man | if the bug comes from heap managment corruption, the crash isn't directly related |
| 11:27.50 | mmu_man | and the bug is before |
| 11:28.19 | larsl | gprof says that WallSceneNode::cull() uses 11% of bzflag's CPU time. |
| 11:28.35 | larsl | And I get about the same frame rate if I just tell that function to never cull. |
| 11:28.38 | brlcad | sounds like there is some segment violation goo that is getting shifted by the free(malloc()); |
| 11:29.19 | mmu_man | it still crashes at the same point after the added code |
| 11:29.29 | brlcad | that's interesting, larsl. my gprof showed nothing of the sort with cull() |
| 11:29.34 | mmu_man | last output: |
| 11:29.34 | mmu_man | Network: Created local UDP downlink port 17200 |
| 11:29.45 | larsl | This was on xmission. |
| 11:30.08 | brlcad | how long? |
| 11:30.19 | larsl | ~30 seconds. |
| 11:30.37 | brlcad | you drove around and fired? |
| 11:30.41 | larsl | Yes. |
| 11:31.12 | brlcad | where is bzdb's eval in your profile? |
| 11:31.43 | brlcad | StateDatabase::eval() iirc |
| 11:31.59 | larsl | A long way down. |
| 11:32.02 | larsl | Several pages. |
| 11:32.11 | larsl | With 0.00% |
| 11:32.14 | brlcad | hrmph! |
| 11:32.24 | brlcad | can you post it? |
| 11:32.32 | brlcad | or e-mail me |
| 11:33.09 | brlcad | learner at brlcad dot org |
| 11:34.30 | mmu_man | so |
| 11:34.39 | mmu_man | the crash happens in that call |
| 11:34.39 | larsl | Bah, can't get it to my school account. Have to move some files around. |
| 11:34.40 | mmu_man | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:34.41 | mmu_man | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:34.46 | mmu_man | which I knew already |
| 11:35.38 | brlcad | is the callback a member function or a global function? |
| 11:37.09 | mmu_man | it's the one used when localhost is put on the cmdline |
| 11:37.17 | mmu_man | joinGameCallback = &joinGameHandler; controlPanel->addMessage("Trying..."); |
| 11:37.25 | larsl | http://www.d.kth.se/~d00-llu/gprof.out.gz |
| 11:38.00 | mmu_man | if (!okay) printError("Connection failed."); ugh ? |
| 11:39.09 | mmu_man | if I understood this callback stuff |
| 11:39.29 | mmu_man | on each loop it processes one callback, which registers another one to be called |
| 11:39.31 | mmu_man | right ? |
| 11:42.35 | brlcad | larsl, are you hardware accelerated? |
| 11:42.46 | brlcad | not you personally, of course, but bzflag |
| 11:43.19 | larsl | =) |
| 11:43.31 | larsl | Yes, nVidia GF2MX with nVidia drivers. |
| 11:45.30 | larsl | Tried again, this time WallSceneNode::cull() only got 7.30%. |
| 11:46.29 | brlcad | um.. if I remember my gprof correctly, you timed approximately 2 or 3 seconds.. |
| 11:46.40 | brlcad | self seconds top is .33 s |
| 11:46.58 | brlcad | should't that be like 10 sec or more |
| 11:47.10 | larsl | Yes, I was wondering about that too. |
| 11:47.13 | brlcad | 11% of 30s basically |
| 11:47.34 | larsl | This time I tried to run it for a minute, and the top function has 8.72% and 0.52 cumulative seconds. |
| 11:47.46 | brlcad | I'm thinking something didn't use -pg during linking |
| 11:48.12 | larsl | The nVidia GL libs? |
| 11:48.20 | Chestal | for me, I'm prettty sure that >90% of the time is spent in the actual GL calls |
| 11:48.22 | brlcad | maybe there is something not properly using CXXFLAGS?? I'm reaching. |
| 11:48.37 | Chestal | although most of them are properly doen by the XFRee86 process? |
| 11:49.07 | mmu_man | brlcad http://detonate.net/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=5&page=16 those are hardware accelerated :)) |
| 11:50.21 | brlcad | hehe, that's funny |
| 11:51.00 | larsl | "Oh, that's not encryption. That's a new Perl script I'm working on." |
| 11:51.12 | mmu_man | :) |
| 11:51.37 | mmu_man | there is a part about the matrix design |
| 11:52.21 | mmu_man | page 24: Do not try and bend the spoon, you're far too weak. Instead, try to realize the truth,... |
| 11:52.36 | mmu_man | the spoon effect will be added later with some sort of SGI workstation :) |
| 11:59.39 | mmu_man | would the connection process involve any signal stuff ? |
| 12:02.24 | mmu_man | wonder if that would be select() related either |
| 12:10.18 | mmu_man | let's check select stuff, I know there are issues |
| 12:10.19 | mmu_man | int my_select(int fd, fd_set *rfds, fd_set *wfds, fd_set *efds, struct timeval *timeout) { printf("select(%d)\n", fd); return select(fd, rfds, wfds, efds, timeout); } #define select my_select |
| 12:10.24 | mmu_man | :) |
| 12:15.59 | larsl | Hm, do I have to give any command line arguments to gprof to see functions in shared libraries too? |
| 12:17.21 | triclops | larsl: did you end up checking out the resolution changing 'bug'? |
| 12:18.24 | larsl | triclops: I can't reproduce it. |
| 12:18.57 | triclops | hmm, maybe it is the nvidia drivers |
| 12:19.23 | larsl | I have nVidia drivers too. |
| 12:19.54 | triclops | well maybe its the video card... |
| 12:21.29 | brlcad | larsl, no, you can't profile into shared libraries that weren't compiled with -pg afaik |
| 12:21.44 | brlcad | if they were.. it should work |
| 12:22.09 | larsl | So I can't use nVidia's libraries for profiling? |
| 12:22.36 | brlcad | Do they give out profiling libs? |
| 12:22.41 | larsl | I don't think so. |
| 12:22.46 | brlcad | then no :) |
| 12:23.03 | brlcad | you don't want to profile there stuff anyways |
| 12:23.42 | larsl | But I can't see any gl calls at all in my profiling data. |
| 12:25.14 | brlcad | you're best bet at seeing that kind of stuff is a system profiler. they are provided by most commercial vendors (irix, osx, aix, etc), but I don't know about linux |
| 12:25.53 | mmu_man | they don't give source, why would they give prof or debug infos ? ;) |
| 12:31.28 | triclops | you can kinda get the nvidia driver source |
| 12:31.51 | triclops | but it probably isn't much help |
| 12:34.53 | mmu_man | yeah, after signing with the devil :) |
| 12:35.33 | triclops | hehe. they provide SRPMs for SUSE for GLX and the kernel |
| 12:36.29 | mmu_man | hope so, the kernel is GPLed :) |
| 12:36.40 | mmu_man | well, Linksys didn't seem to catch that (cf. /.) |
| 12:37.53 | triclops | sorry, its a kernel module so they can keep it seperate... |
| 12:43.58 | mmu_man | though you were talking about a full kernel |
| 12:44.13 | mmu_man | yeah, their module is just a stub to their closed source library anyway |
| 12:44.34 | triclops | thats what i thought it would be |
| 12:52.21 | triclops | anyway i'm off to update my nvidia kernel drivers |
| 12:54.20 | mmu_man | oh, this time I have a crash in the bzflag exe: 0x8018bc50 |
| 12:54.32 | brlcad | wee |
| 12:56.11 | mmu_man | 0018bc30 T my_select__FiP6fd_setN21P7timeval |
| 12:56.41 | mmu_man | it's in my select wrapper !? |
| 12:57.27 | mmu_man | prolly did something bad :) |
| 12:58.15 | brlcad | it's not obvious, if you did |
| 12:58.18 | mmu_man | oh, didn't check for NULLS :) |
| 12:59.00 | brlcad | you shouldn't have to? that should have just been a drop-in replacement, no? |
| 12:59.19 | mmu_man | printf("select(%d, %08lx, %08lx, %08lx, %l:%l)\n", fd, rfds?rfds->fds_bits[0]:0, wfds?wfds->fds_bits[0]:0, efds?efds->fds_bits[0]:0, timeout->tv_sec, timeout->tv_usec); |
| 12:59.29 | mmu_man | didn't check *fds for NULL |
| 12:59.31 | brlcad | AH.. you changed it .. pfft! |
| 12:59.41 | mmu_man | yeah, that's the use of a wrapper, why else ? :p |
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| 13:00.08 | brlcad | it was just printf("select(%d)\n", fd); the first time.. |
| 13:01.16 | mmu_man | yup |
| 13:05.03 | Chestal | need help with the invisibles. I got 2, 6 and 8 |
| 13:06.08 | brlcad | 4 and 5 are comedies :) |
| 13:06.24 | Chestal | uh, even more comedies |
| 13:07.22 | triclops | i think i've seen 1 |
| 13:07.41 | brlcad | i thought 1 was riding in cars with boys, but it's not |
| 13:08.08 | Chestal | what is this _thing_ in #4? |
| 13:09.01 | triclops | hmm, maybe not |
| 13:10.19 | mmu_man | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:10.19 | mmu_man | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:10.20 | mmu_man | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:10.21 | mmu_man | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:10.22 | mmu_man | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:11.42 | brlcad | lol, that's a hot dog chestal |
| 13:11.56 | brlcad | a very big hot dog |
| 13:12.03 | Chestal | are you sure? looks scary |
| 13:12.14 | brlcad | that's a movie filled with much dumb humor :) |
| 13:12.30 | Chestal | I thought that was #6 |
| 13:12.35 | Chestal | ok, got it |
| 13:13.13 | Chestal | is 5 as dumb as 4 and 6? |
| 13:13.44 | brlcad | 5 is a pandect of dilbert humor for those who work in offices |
| 13:13.59 | brlcad | it rings so freakishly true |
| 13:14.14 | Chestal | hmm |
| 13:14.21 | Chestal | ah,I got an idea |
| 13:14.43 | brlcad | "You see.. the thing is I just don't care" |
| 13:15.07 | Chestal | but the wrong idea |
| 13:15.12 | brlcad | "Do you want to do _just_ the minimum??" |
| 13:15.56 | brlcad | He's in a meeting with "the Bobs" in that picture :) |
| 13:16.46 | brlcad | er, s/picture/scene/ |
| 13:17.01 | Chestal | got it, but don't know that movie |
| 13:17.22 | brlcad | how the heck did you get it then ?? :) |
| 13:17.43 | triclops | i got 7 |
| 13:17.48 | Chestal | googling for '"the bobs" movie office" :-) |
| 13:17.54 | brlcad | lol |
| 13:19.00 | Chestal | hmm, 7 looks easy, but I have no real idea |
| 13:19.31 | Chestal | 5 looks like a worthwhile comedy |
| 13:20.10 | triclops | 7 is not exactly your traditional movie |
| 13:20.14 | mmu_man | bobs ? |
| 13:20.46 | brlcad | Chestal, if you work in a place that has "office politics", it's definately a worthwhile comedy |
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| 13:21.49 | brlcad | It rings especially true for computer scientists that work for a big company, but any office can relate |
| 13:27.40 | Chestal | triclops: hmm, another subtle hint please :-) |
| 13:28.04 | triclops | hmm, the picture near the start of the film |
| 13:29.00 | triclops | i thought the hat, big glasses, gut and the shotgun would give it away |
| 13:32.13 | bryjen | ~invisibles |
| 13:32.14 | | methinks invisibles is at http://www.filmwise.com/invisibles/index.shtml |
| 13:32.47 | triclops | lets just say the building behind the character is some sort of financial institution :) |
| 13:33.31 | Chestal | hmm, I think I haven't watched this movie |
| 13:34.08 | Chestal | I have watched 2 and 8 |
| 13:36.09 | triclops | i've only seen 7 of the invisibles i've got. it make some interesting comparisons between the us and canada |
| 13:37.35 | Chestal | ah |
| 13:37.54 | Chestal | I don't rememebr that scene at all |
| 13:38.50 | triclops | surely you do :-) its one of the best. the ending is a beaty too |
| 13:39.09 | Chestal | yes, but not that particular scene |
| 13:39.54 | triclops | i think it is right at the start.... oh well |
| 13:40.19 | Chestal | I remember the 'act', but not that image |
| 13:40.54 | triclops | ahh, okay |
| 13:42.03 | mmu_man | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:42.13 | mmu_man | does that mean packet recording doesn't work yet ? |
| 13:42.23 | Chestal | ehm? there is no such thing |
| 13:43.23 | Chestal | hmm, acutally there seems to be some rough attempt at it |
| 13:43.33 | mmu_man | ah so |
| 13:43.46 | mmu_man | wondered why the file was created but stayed at 0 bytes :) |
| 13:44.40 | Chestal | I didn't evenknow about that. Has it been introduced lately? |
| 13:44.40 | triclops | maybe for replay? |
| 13:44.50 | Chestal | that's probably the basic idea |
| 13:45.10 | Chestal | I fear it's not quite that easy to achieve though |
| 13:46.03 | triclops | y not? |
| 13:46.49 | Chestal | well, depends on how you'd plan to playback |
| 13:47.01 | Chestal | the client gets more inpout than just the server stream |
| 13:47.13 | Chestal | and timing might also be a problem |
| 13:47.34 | triclops | maybe they would record the game as an observer? |
| 13:48.10 | Chestal | but even then the observer is sending things, for exampel handshake when joining |
| 13:48.20 | Chestal | so it needs some thought |
| 13:48.35 | Chestal | not liek you woudl jsut have to change 2 lines to plug it in |
| 13:48.54 | mmu_man | hmm |
| 13:48.54 | mmu_man | static void timeout(int) { bzSignal(SIGALRM, SIG_IGN); alarm(0); } |
| 13:48.56 | Chestal | a playback server might be nice, btw. |
| 13:49.11 | Chestal | so you could watch it together with other obserevrs |
| 13:49.20 | Chestal | pause / rewing etc. sounds liek a good idea, too |
| 13:49.36 | Chestal | the timeout() code sucks |
| 13:49.50 | mmu_man | maybe this stuff expresses a flaw in BeOS signal handling... |
| 13:50.46 | triclops | Chestal: maybe it would be better recording the game from the server |
| 13:51.26 | mmu_man | seems the connect() process is async in win, with a thread |
| 13:53.17 | mmu_man | anyway, the crash is after that |
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| 13:56.44 | mmu_man | ~debug |
| 13:56.47 | mmu_man | :p |
| 13:57.29 | mmu_man | ok, I removed the signal stuff on conenct, but it doesn't help |
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| 16:03.25 | Patlabor221 | what did you end up getting? |
| 16:03.45 | Nidhoggr | I haven't bought it yet... but I know exactly what I'm getting. |
| 16:03.52 | Nidhoggr | just got paid today :) |
| 16:03.57 | Patlabor221 | heh |
| 16:04.55 | Nidhoggr | a barbones, inc., small multimedia case/mb p4 2.4 ghz, 512 mb ram, I have 2 60gb drives already for it., some nice new mouse... preferably wireless. |
| 16:05.17 | Nidhoggr | and I'll put my radeon 9000 series in it. |
| 16:05.26 | Nidhoggr | it can do agp 8x |
| 16:05.29 | Patlabor221 | DDR ram I hope |
| 16:05.34 | Nidhoggr | the board, not necessarily the card. |
| 16:05.35 | Nidhoggr | yeah |
| 16:05.40 | Nidhoggr | ram is only 80 bucks. |
| 16:06.07 | Nidhoggr | the mb has firewire and usb 2.0 |
| 16:06.19 | Nidhoggr | which is important to me. |
| 16:06.23 | Patlabor221 | see,s a tad high on the ram, by about $10 but not bad |
| 16:06.36 | Nidhoggr | eventually, I'll stick a pioneer dvr-105 in it, too. |
| 16:06.45 | Nidhoggr | it's fry's |
| 16:06.55 | Nidhoggr | they have cheaper RAM, but it's not the best quality. |
| 16:07.27 | Patlabor221 | well you won't need anything higher then PC2100 for that mobo |
| 16:07.34 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 16:07.43 | Nidhoggr | it's a 533 mhz fsb |
| 16:08.20 | Nidhoggr | my ATI card has svideo out and the mb has TOC/SPDIF output for my surround processor. |
| 16:08.28 | Nidhoggr | I'm going to try bzflag on my 60 |
| 16:08.30 | Nidhoggr | inch tv |
| 16:08.44 | dheckaman | gosh Nidhoggr, you could have put a down payment on a G5 powermac |
| 16:08.46 | dheckaman | :) |
| 16:08.53 | Nidhoggr | yeah, I know. |
| 16:09.01 | Nidhoggr | still... I need a PC for work/other stuff. |
| 16:09.05 | Patlabor221 | note that it will only run at 640x480 |
| 16:09.06 | Nidhoggr | so I'll get the mac later. |
| 16:09.10 | dheckaman | yea |
| 16:09.11 | Nidhoggr | yeah |
| 16:09.28 | Nidhoggr | when we get our new TV in the next year, we can get 800x600 out of it. |
| 16:09.36 | Patlabor221 | but the ATI"s do good TV out |
| 16:09.42 | Nidhoggr | yeah |
| 16:09.48 | Patlabor221 | NTCS can't hold more then 640 |
| 16:09.50 | Nidhoggr | I just wanna try it and see. |
| 16:09.58 | Nidhoggr | NTSC :) |
| 16:09.58 | Patlabor221 | unless your TV has monitor features |
| 16:10.07 | Patlabor221 | NEVER THE SAME COLOR |
| 16:10.08 | Nidhoggr | it'd be a HDTV monitor |
| 16:10.26 | Nidhoggr | it'd have to be both, or I'd not buy it. |
| 16:10.30 | Patlabor221 | ahh, then yeah it would go if it's got the Din 15 on it |
| 16:10.43 | Nidhoggr | I'm considering plasma, but the prices need to drop a little more. |
| 16:11.45 | dheckaman | dont buy the cheap plasmas though, they burn in very easily |
| 16:11.50 | Nidhoggr | nope |
| 16:11.57 | Nidhoggr | plasma would be a while off |
| 16:11.58 | Patlabor221 | what the hell is a "Ball" on a joystick? |
| 16:12.19 | Nidhoggr | because the ppl in my household have been too accustomed to a 60" TV. |
| 16:12.21 | dheckaman | something to up sales :) |
| 16:12.46 | Nidhoggr | we're looking at some 65" hdtvs right now. |
| 16:12.57 | Nidhoggr | they are just now falling in our price range. |
| 16:14.18 | Patlabor221 | joysticks can have trackballs on them?!?! |
| 16:16.15 | Nidhoggr | that's disturbing :) |
| 16:16.26 | Nidhoggr | what's the coolest thing people have used for controllers for bzflag? |
| 16:17.07 | Patlabor221 | well considering not much works, I'd say a joystick |
| 16:17.21 | Nidhoggr | how is a joystick for play? |
| 16:17.35 | Nidhoggr | I'm not the best with joysticks. |
| 16:17.41 | Patlabor221 | never tried it, didn't feel like adding a patch just to get it to work |
| 16:17.45 | Nidhoggr | except for flight sim games. |
| 16:17.47 | Nidhoggr | ah |
| 16:17.51 | Nidhoggr | mouse is cool. |
| 16:17.56 | Patlabor221 | it's not well supported |
| 16:18.06 | Nidhoggr | I need a decent mouse for new machine. |
| 16:18.52 | Patlabor221 | http://www.rgpsales.com/RGPmedia/details.asp?item=MS19004%2D3 |
| 16:19.01 | Patlabor221 | that's the best mouse I have ever used |
| 16:19.38 | Patlabor221 | yeah it's not fast |
| 16:19.51 | Patlabor221 | but 5 button, optical, good for right or left |
| 16:19.56 | Nidhoggr | looks pretty good. |
| 16:20.04 | Nidhoggr | right now I use my wacom tablet mouse. |
| 16:20.08 | Nidhoggr | which I love. |
| 16:20.19 | Nidhoggr | but I only have 2 wacom tablets. one for work, and one for home. |
| 16:20.30 | Nidhoggr | I could get another mouse for work, and move my wacom home. |
| 16:21.06 | Nidhoggr | just don't like the mac mouse all that much. I prefer 2 or 3 buttons and a wheel. |
| 16:21.09 | Patlabor221 | I don't know if you can set it up in linux, but on windows the side buttons on the mouse are forward and back in a browser, it's really cool |
| 16:21.38 | Nidhoggr | I'll be running windows XP on the new PC. |
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| 16:21.57 | Nidhoggr | mostly for media software compatability and work stuff. |
| 16:21.59 | Patlabor221 | then intelipoint would work fine |
| 16:22.48 | Patlabor221 | I'd recommend the keyboard I use but they don't make it anymore :( |
| 16:22.55 | Patlabor221 | it's luberly |
| 16:23.16 | Nidhoggr | I have a nice IR keyboard. |
| 16:23.26 | Patlabor221 | coo |
| 16:23.50 | Patlabor221 | this one is nice, all USB, and has a built in hub with 2 ports right on the back of the keyboard |
| 16:24.32 | Nidhoggr | sounds like my mac keyboard. :) |
| 16:24.45 | Patlabor221 | yeah, but this one has ALL the buttons |
| 16:24.48 | Nidhoggr | I'd like a keyboard that is a mac kb look-alike |
| 16:24.54 | Patlabor221 | they have them |
| 16:24.59 | Nidhoggr | all the buttons? I don't like the windows button. :) |
| 16:25.07 | Patlabor221 | I mean a "DEL" key |
| 16:25.22 | Nidhoggr | I'm typing on a mac kb now, and it has a delete key. |
| 16:25.22 | Patlabor221 | I wanted to use a mac extended but it didn't have del |
| 16:25.37 | Patlabor221 | ahh, perhaps it was just my model |
| 16:25.44 | Patlabor221 | some do not |
| 16:25.55 | Nidhoggr | newer ones should. |
| 16:25.55 | Patlabor221 | now, it may say del, but is it backspace? |
| 16:26.08 | Nidhoggr | there is a del and a del that is backspace. |
| 16:26.09 | Patlabor221 | I mean the one over by home and end |
| 16:26.14 | Nidhoggr | 2 delete keys for the price of ONE! |
| 16:26.25 | Patlabor221 | keen |
| 16:26.26 | Nidhoggr | that one is delete. |
| 16:27.02 | Patlabor221 | I lub the calculator button, it's right over the keypad, so just hit it and enter stuff, it's rather nice. |
| 16:27.11 | Nidhoggr | oh, nice. |
| 16:27.31 | Nidhoggr | I got one of those huge keyboards that had all the extra buttons, etc. I wasn't fond of it. |
| 16:27.33 | Patlabor221 | yeah, it's nice to see that somone thought about the placement of the buttons |
| 16:27.58 | Nidhoggr | I might consider one like that if it was more thought out. |
| 16:28.02 | Patlabor221 | this one has a number of those extra buttons, but they all logicaly do something, mostly controll winamp |
| 16:28.10 | Nidhoggr | cool |
| 16:28.19 | Nidhoggr | I need to fix my audiotron. |
| 16:28.24 | Nidhoggr | it's not connecting to the network properly. |
| 16:28.24 | Patlabor221 | and there is a project that supports it under X |
| 16:28.29 | Nidhoggr | cool. |
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| 17:00.23 | Patlabor221 | having an identiy crisis there tea? |
| 17:00.55 | Bagheera | wee ones -> lol |
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| 17:01.13 | | [dmp]: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
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| 17:15.20 | TyroneFHornigh | ~pop brlcad |
| 17:15.26 | | ibot offers brlcad a thin mint. |
| 17:16.19 | tea|tree | ~d |
| 17:17.35 | Patlabor221 | push him onto the stack first |
| 17:21.29 | CIA | 03larsl * 12bzflag/ (Makefile.am): acconfig.h doesn't exist, don't try to put it in the distribution |
| 17:25.11 | larsl_school | bzfs.h:103:24: PlayerInfo.h: No such file or directory |
| 17:26.00 | CIA | 03larsl * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (Makefile.am): Add PlayerInfo.h to the distribution |
| 17:30.52 | TyroneFHornigh | [dmp]: Interesting email, I now understand that sudden urge ;) |
| 17:32.47 | [dmp] | TyroneFHornigh: Hehe. Oh boy, i feel silly :) |
| 17:33.26 | TyroneFHornigh | Everyone hits the wrong button occasionally. It takes real talent to hit the wrong button so someone else notices. ;) |
| 17:33.51 | [dmp] | Got a few "Confirm me to join" and welcome mails mixed together. I guess i picked the wrong one :) |
| 17:33.54 | [dmp] | hehe |
| 17:35.25 | david_v | [dmp]: oh, that explains the 30+ unexpected mails from you :P |
| 17:36.19 | david_v | almost setup an automatic parser for those ;) |
| 17:38.50 | [dmp] | 30+ ?! |
| 17:39.55 | david_v | was it more? :D |
| 17:40.01 | david_v | jk :) |
| 17:40.48 | [dmp] | hehe |
| 17:41.09 | [dmp] | i got 150+ passwords, so i got plenty to send :) |
| 17:43.22 | david_v | [dmp]: ah, you need to get a few more, put them all in one file, and put them in one e-mail. then you need to click only once :) |
| 17:45.10 | [dmp] | while(true) { mkpasswd | sendmail david_v@...se } :) |
| 17:45.31 | [dmp] | always nice to have a password in you inbox for maximum security |
| 17:46.12 | david_v | mkpasswd hm :) |
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| 17:50.45 | [dmp] | its a nice utility.. use it alot. |
| 17:52.16 | david_v | i use mkpasswd too, ported to HOS |
| 17:54.25 | david_v | a very nice platform. rebuilds itself and is installed on billions of systems |
| 17:55.30 | [dmp] | Have absolutly no experience/knowledge about it |
| 17:55.40 | david_v | you're kidding. you use it daily :) |
| 17:56.17 | [dmp] | HOS? |
| 17:56.28 | david_v | yep :) |
| 17:56.52 | david_v | Human Operating System, aka Brain :) |
| 17:57.15 | [dmp] | Ah, No i dont :-) |
| 17:57.20 | david_v | aha! ;) |
| 17:57.32 | [dmp] | thats why i use mkpasswd :) |
| 17:57.38 | david_v | i see :) |
| 17:58.51 | david_v | i never use patterns in my passwords. if there is a pattern, it's something like "char1 char2 char3 char4 char5... up to at max char9" :) |
| 18:01.58 | [dmp] | Its not something im aiming for. I just do.. But at least i got random password.. had to tell my gf not to use "Dennis" as her password all the time :-) |
| 18:02.57 | Bagheera | revoke her privledges...... |
| 18:03.44 | TyroneFHornigh | Did you start worrying when she changed her password to "david_v"? |
| 18:03.55 | david_v | LOL |
| 18:04.15 | david_v | sorry. just couldn't resist :) |
| 18:04.37 | [dmp] | Well, actually. I tease her with beeing swedish, and she takes that as an insult. So i doubt that :) |
| 18:04.58 | david_v | hehe |
| 18:05.16 | Bagheera | what, she doesnt like the swedish volleyball team references.... |
| 18:05.34 | [dmp] | (alot of people living in copenhagen is swedish to the other half of the country) |
| 18:05.39 | [dmp] | girls.. sport? |
| 18:05.47 | [dmp] | dosnt really mix very well :) |
| 18:05.55 | TyroneFHornigh | girls is a great sport ;) |
| 18:06.04 | [dmp] | hehe |
| 18:06.05 | [dmp] | yeah |
| 18:06.23 | [dmp] | the only sport that really can compete with bzflag? |
| 18:06.43 | [dmp] | (you just need to take care were you land, when jumping :-o ) |
| 18:06.45 | TyroneFHornigh | I would doubt that given the people that hang around here. |
| 18:07.42 | Bagheera | and another curmudgeon is born.... |
| 18:08.25 | TyroneFHornigh | I think I'm allowed to be the resident curmudgeon until MAC arrives ;) |
| 18:08.50 | Bagheera | i thought cap had that title........ |
| 18:09.05 | TyroneFHornigh | He's too young to be a proper curmudgeon |
| 18:09.15 | [dmp] | ~dict curmudgeon |
| 18:09.46 | Bagheera | ~dict irascible |
| 18:10.15 | Bagheera | new word for me today... |
| 18:11.11 | TyroneFHornigh | That's bzflag, a fount of knowledge for the young. ;) |
| 18:11.56 | Bagheera | i keep telling myself that.....nearly 40, and still young |
| 18:14.02 | brlcad | Is there a way to check if something is missing from a makefile? |
| 18:14.21 | brlcad | e.g. larsl, how did you notice that I forgot PlayerInfo.h? |
| 18:14.32 | TyroneFHornigh | I noticed. ;) |
| 18:14.47 | brlcad | you notice most everything |
| 18:15.20 | TyroneFHornigh | bzfs had a few problems building last night. I haven't checked in the project changes yet. |
| 18:16.02 | brlcad | you have some freaky all-knowing-all-sensing sense when it comes to things I do to the code :) |
| 18:16.49 | TyroneFHornigh | It's not just you. I'm tracking down how gm works right now. There's something interesting in the interaction in 1.9. |
| 18:16.57 | brlcad | I'm still wanting/needing to commit a rewrite of the poll command handler, but I can't just replace what's there now because of overlaps/conflicts with what MAC did.. need to merge by hand |
| 18:18.10 | TyroneFHornigh | It looks like the mac isn't calculating the position of the target quite right. |
| 18:18.52 | brlcad | odd.. I wouldn't think that is a platform specific computation.. |
| 18:19.16 | TyroneFHornigh | I wouldn't either, but it didn't seem to affect windows in the same manner. |
| 18:19.18 | brlcad | [dmp]: nice :) |
| 18:19.54 | TyroneFHornigh | Basically, I would shoot the gm at mac, and it would travel just beyond him before curving at him. |
| 18:19.57 | Chestal | is sf anon CVS borked? |
| 18:20.15 | TyroneFHornigh | Chestal: Have they fixed it yet? |
| 18:20.57 | Chestal | how long has it beenbroken? |
| 18:21.02 | Chestal | I am only aware that it lags behind |
| 18:22.00 | TyroneFHornigh | It's been lagging by 24 hrs for a couple of months. I haven't tried using it for anything in a while. |
| 18:22.51 | Chestal | well, I get an error when trying to login as described on the bzflag cvs page |
| 18:22.58 | Chestal | cvs [login aborted]: end of file from server (consult above messages if any) |
| 18:23.00 | brlcad | according to the sourceforge status report, they are still haveing troubles |
| 18:23.30 | brlcad | they tried bringing it back on-line a month ago and have apparently been slowly working through issues |
| 18:23.30 | Nidhoggr | I wonder if folks would be interested in moving the cvs to a more reliable setup. |
| 18:23.42 | brlcad | http://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=2352&group_id=1 |
| 18:25.45 | TyroneFHornigh | We discussed the possibility of moving to a different server as well as switching from cvs to subversion at the beginning of the summer. |
| 18:26.14 | Nidhoggr | well, I can offer my servers/bandwidth, if people are interested in doing it. |
| 18:26.29 | brlcad | OC-12 ? |
| 18:26.37 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 18:28.09 | [dmp] | brlcad: Nice? Ah, passwd thingy? :) |
| 18:29.02 | brlcad | ;) |
| 18:29.17 | brlcad | any new pics yet? |
| 18:33.50 | Tupone | brlcad: to check automake just make distcheck |
| 18:38.15 | Bagheera | ......please lose all there email for me........please......... |
| 18:38.21 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 18:38.24 | Nidhoggr | rm -rf :) |
| 18:38.30 | Bagheera | YES..... |
| 18:38.41 | Nidhoggr | they are needy customers |
| 18:39.27 | Bagheera | bunch of cheap shot artists........needy..?......i expect so, only people in jersey can tolerate them.... |
| 18:39.46 | Bagheera | (yes, i am a prejudice hockey fan) |
| 18:39.55 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 18:40.16 | Nidhoggr | I guess if I watched more hockey, I'd probably be more inclined to accidentally rm -rf /var/mail |
| 18:41.03 | Bagheera | maybe......between them and the dallas stars i begin to get dark thoughts...... |
| 18:41.30 | Nidhoggr | we host phoenix coyotes streaming stuff. |
| 18:41.47 | Nidhoggr | I like the coyotes, mostly cuz it's the local team. |
| 18:42.14 | Bagheera | good, hard working team....... |
| 18:43.08 | Bagheera | unforturneately, i am a chicago blackhawks fan at heart.......but have adopted the carolina hurricanes after years of living there. |
| 18:43.29 | purple_cow | if we move CVS elsewhere, we should move to something other than CVS ;) |
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| 18:43.55 | Bagheera | yes, rcs all the way.. :) |
| 18:44.06 | Tupone | or SCSS |
| 18:44.10 | [dmp] | hi Big_Barrel |
| 18:44.17 | Big_Barrel | hey man :) |
| 18:44.20 | Big_Barrel | how you doing |
| 18:44.34 | Big_Barrel | srry about that post, chiko told me she already talked to you |
| 18:44.40 | Nidhoggr | somehow 'touch /var/mail/occhipinti' made me laugh really hard. |
| 18:44.49 | brlcad | Chiko? |
| 18:44.53 | brlcad | Where? |
| 18:44.58 | Big_Barrel | ?? |
| 18:45.13 | Big_Barrel | Rebel Chikorita |
| 18:45.19 | Big_Barrel | aka snow_kitty |
| 18:45.33 | brlcad | no, I mean where did she say something |
| 18:45.44 | brlcad | so she hasn't disappeared on me ??! |
| 18:45.49 | Big_Barrel | ??? she told me |
| 18:45.56 | Big_Barrel | who r u ? |
| 18:46.00 | brlcad | oh ha |
| 18:46.08 | brlcad | you don't know who I am? :) |
| 18:46.12 | Big_Barrel | hehe |
| 18:46.19 | Big_Barrel | want to know who i am? |
| 18:46.26 | brlcad | howdy bb :) |
| 18:46.42 | Big_Barrel | ~Big_Barrel |
| 18:46.43 | | rumour has it, big_barrel is the most badass mofo around here |
| 18:46.48 | Big_Barrel | heh |
| 18:46.49 | brlcad | ~learner |
| 18:46.51 | | from memory, learner is your friend |
| 18:46.59 | Big_Barrel | lol |
| 18:47.08 | Big_Barrel | ~bigbarrel |
| 18:47.20 | Big_Barrel | ~big barrel |
| 18:47.21 | | big barrel is a bzflag player with a hyperactive ego |
| 18:48.02 | brlcad | so, when was the last time you saw sk? |
| 18:48.13 | Big_Barrel | ~big barrel |
| 18:48.14 | | big barrel is, like, better than you!! >>>>What???? What r u looking at?? |
| 18:48.22 | Big_Barrel | lmao |
| 18:48.30 | Big_Barrel | i saw here about 30 min ago |
| 18:48.34 | Big_Barrel | ~ducati6 |
| 18:48.50 | Big_Barrel | see>>>she is on ducati |
| 18:49.15 | Big_Barrel | i am there |
| 18:49.17 | Big_Barrel | cu later |
| 18:49.46 | brlcad | oooo.. |
| 18:49.47 | brlcad | ah crap.. my machine is down! |
| 18:49.47 | brlcad | I hate having no access to my box |
| 18:51.01 | brlcad | dag nab it |
| 18:51.58 | brlcad | I need a '/msg ibot tell Rebel\ Chikorita@ducati6 go to irc, you!' |
| 18:52.32 | Bagheera | sounds like you have some homework |
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| 19:01.53 | brlcad | itsapatlabor |
| 19:02.01 | brlcad | howdypatlabor |
| 19:03.45 | Tupone | brlcad: have You tried -pg without debugging |
| 19:03.55 | brlcad | I have before, yes |
| 19:04.15 | Tupone | to mine -fomit-frame and -pg are incompatible |
| 19:04.31 | brlcad | well, then don't omit the frame :) |
| 19:04.51 | brlcad | it's also useless to do more that -O with -pg |
| 19:05.05 | brlcad | er, s/that/than/ |
| 19:05.32 | Tupone | your compiler is still gcc? |
| 19:06.11 | brlcad | ye |
| 19:06.18 | brlcad | s |
| 19:06.26 | Tupone | and it work! ??? |
| 19:06.31 | brlcad | having torubles typing today |
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| 19:07.42 | brlcad | yes, it works, but I usually get the most info from either "-g -pg" or "-pg -O", the latter helping things that want to be inlined |
| 19:08.16 | brlcad | you can still throw in -g if you want line numbers, since you are throwing some info away |
| 19:08.41 | Tupone | I should retry on mine! |
| 19:09.18 | brlcad | make sure there are no -fwhatever options |
| 19:10.02 | Tupone | But there are, actually, on configure.in |
| 19:10.55 | brlcad | what is it, exactly, that you are wanting to do? |
| 19:12.21 | Tupone | I'm just looking at the configure.in. I wanted profiling; I remember that it work only with --enable-debug, or I had to clean the -fomit-frame |
| 19:12.49 | Tupone | Now I see that you hadn't cleaned that so ... I should try to do the same for Linux |
| 19:12.54 | brlcad | yes, the linux one only works with --enable-debug just because that's the only place where larsl added it :) |
| 19:13.01 | Tupone | I added |
| 19:13.11 | Tupone | s/I/Me |
| 19:13.23 | brlcad | I added is correct :) |
| 19:13.36 | Tupone | It was me |
| 19:13.47 | brlcad | that's also correct :) |
| 19:14.16 | brlcad | (I think) er. hrm. |
| 19:14.21 | Tupone | And I put appropriately in there debug, because I remember that |
| 19:15.05 | brlcad | Oh.. that's right .. you added it.. sorry for the mixup. I understand now. Sorry, I'm a bit slow and flustered today. |
| 19:15.19 | Tupone | ~dict flustered |
| 19:15.20 | brlcad | Damn AIX compiler is giving me hell. |
| 19:15.48 | brlcad | very agitated |
| 19:16.41 | Tupone | for AIX? Shame on you! Agitated for a machine |
| 19:18.02 | larsl | Can someone with a music player that supports Vorbis streams try to connect to http://glasstowers.homelinux.net:8000/example2.ogg.m3u ? |
| 19:19.10 | larsl | Tupone: Is it working? |
| 19:19.12 | Tupone | Not good at |
| 19:19.23 | Tupone | Problem is mine |
| 19:19.28 | Tupone | not yours |
| 19:19.50 | Patlabor221 | NFG for me |
| 19:19.58 | brlcad | no good for me |
| 19:20.10 | larsl | Bah. |
| 19:20.11 | brlcad | but I could be firewalled |
| 19:20.37 | larsl | I see at least two different IPs in the log. |
| 19:22.52 | larsl | I wonder if icecast tries to do something weird that normal shoutcast players don't support. |
| 19:23.24 | brlcad | I can receive regular shoutcast traffic with no trouble.. |
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| 19:27.29 | Bagheera | ~bzflist |
| 19:28.18 | larsl | Can anyone see the webpage at http://glasstowers.homelinux.net:8000/status.xsl ? |
| 19:30.53 | Bagheera | yes |
| 19:31.29 | larsl | Thanks. It must be a problem with the stream then. |
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| 19:43.02 | Chestal | so, anyone know #1 and #2 from invis? |
| 19:43.10 | brlcad | I know #2 |
| 19:43.22 | Chestal | eh, I mean #1 and #3 |
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| 19:44.23 | mmu_man | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:44.23 | mmu_man | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:44.24 | mmu_man | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:44.25 | mmu_man | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:44.25 | mmu_man | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:44.26 | mmu_man | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:44.27 | mmu_man | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:44.29 | mmu_man | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:44.31 | mmu_man | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:44.33 | mmu_man | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:44.38 | mmu_man | got a stack trace \o/ |
| 19:45.00 | brlcad | hrm.. opengl bug in be? |
| 19:45.09 | Patlabor221 | your removing a list that doesn't exist probalby |
| 19:45.16 | mmu_man | either |
| 19:45.19 | Chestal | or a problem with extra threads you created? |
| 19:45.20 | Patlabor221 | tho it should not crash |
| 19:45.31 | mmu_man | or accessing a GL context when it's not current |
| 19:45.52 | Patlabor221 | that is also posible, but still shold not crash, it's supposed to just error out. |
| 19:46.10 | brlcad | ah yes.. perhaps something with the multithreaded goodness of be. does your port create multiple threads for be? |
| 19:46.15 | larsl | BackgroundRenderer::resize() - I added that a week ago, it's new. |
| 19:46.30 | mmu_man | brlcad: yes |
| 19:46.39 | mmu_man | however only the main thread uses the gl context |
| 19:46.46 | Chestal | OpenGLDisplayList seems to use reference counting |
| 19:46.48 | mmu_man | I had to add a bunch of yieldCurrent() calls |
| 19:46.59 | brlcad | mmu_man, try what the mac port does and don't allow for resize or windowed for starters.. make things a little more simple |
| 19:47.03 | mmu_man | but it shouldn't loose the context |
| 19:47.10 | Chestal | you'd better make sure that this is only accesses by one thread |
| 19:47.24 | mmu_man | brlcad: as for now the window is not resizable |
| 19:47.24 | Chestal | I am pretty sure it is not thread-safe |
| 19:47.38 | mmu_man | Chestal: it is |
| 19:47.46 | brlcad | bzflag is not |
| 19:47.51 | mmu_man | the GL context is protected |
| 19:48.18 | mmu_man | if I need to call GL I need to call MakeCurrent on th window with the context |
| 19:48.21 | Chestal | OpenGLDisplayList is a bzflag class though |
| 19:48.30 | mmu_man | the thing is I need to release it often |
| 19:48.45 | Chestal | and if you access a OpenGLDisplayList object from more than one thread, I'm sure it gives you problems with the ref counting |
| 19:48.52 | mmu_man | also, the crash doesn't seem to appear everytime at the same place |
| 19:48.57 | mmu_man | so it's kinda weird |
| 19:49.05 | mmu_man | maybe there is a race somewhere |
| 19:49.22 | brlcad | can you single thread it to test? |
| 19:49.43 | mmu_man | no |
| 19:49.53 | mmu_man | it's by design multithreaded |
| 19:50.05 | mmu_man | anyway |
| 19:50.18 | mmu_man | bz isn't multithreaded by itself, so it shouldn't make a difference |
| 19:50.43 | Chestal | when the ref countign objects are only accessed by one thread, it shouldn't be a problem |
| 19:50.55 | Chestal | there are more such classes, I think the fonts do it, too |
| 19:51.26 | mmu_man | the other threads don't know about bz anyway |
| 19:51.41 | mmu_man | just internal stuff, so it shouldn't mess up with bz objects |
| 19:51.49 | mmu_man | only the Window class |
| 19:51.59 | brlcad | ah, that's what I meant -- did you add extra threads to bz (beyond the 2 or 3 others Be gives you for free) |
| 19:52.13 | mmu_man | one for audio, unrelated |
| 19:52.24 | mmu_man | the window thread is spawned by BeOS |
| 19:53.45 | mmu_man | hmmm |
| 19:54.34 | mmu_man | wow, just noticed the last version of bdb displayed the xmm* regs too :) |
| 19:55.58 | mmu_man | wondering if that couldn't be a stack overflow, if bz &/or GL allocates loads of data on stack |
| 19:56.46 | mmu_man | 34605 user stack of bzflag fc000000 ffd000 6000 0 0 0 |
| 19:57.25 | mmu_man | does bc allow hex ? |
| 19:57.51 | mmu_man | hmm, can't be the stack anyway |
| 19:58.15 | mmu_man | fcffaa08 is far away from the top |
| 20:01.07 | mmu_man | ugh |
| 20:01.23 | mmu_man | I just hope glDeleteList doen't take a pointer |
| 20:01.34 | mmu_man | oh, an int :) |
| 20:01.43 | mmu_man | 0x13 as pointer would have been odd =) |
| 20:04.34 | mmu_man | +00ec ed2582f4: * 0000000ca3 movl %eax, 0x0000000c |
| 20:04.39 | mmu_man | hmm, that doesn't sound good |
| 20:04.50 | mmu_man | putting eax at address 0xc... |
| 20:05.13 | mmu_man | I think the GL stack uses self modifying code... |
| 20:05.24 | larsl | What's %eax? |
| 20:05.38 | mmu_man | eax |
| 20:05.50 | mmu_man | just GNU as wants a % befors |
| 20:06.07 | larsl | ~eax |
| 20:06.31 | mmu_man | besides, 0xc is in kernel space (in BeOS userland starts at 0x80000000) |
| 20:07.03 | mmu_man | or maybe the mov refers to an odd seg register like fs, but it doesn't look like |
| 20:09.11 | Tupone | mmu_man: probably eax <- 0x000000c |
| 20:09.26 | Tupone | depends on disasm |
| 20:10.25 | mmu_man | nono, it's src, dst in gas |
| 20:10.51 | mmu_man | movl $0x0000000c, %edx |
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| 20:12.56 | mmu_man | I can try to comment out the glDeleteList calls... |
| 20:13.10 | mmu_man | and see if that's teh real bugger |
| 20:17.27 | mmu_man | now it crashes in malloc :^) |
| 20:20.24 | oFF|tea|tree | UH |
| 20:28.34 | larsl | Could anyone test the "listen" link at http://localhost:8000/status.xsl again? I think it should work now. |
| 20:28.41 | larsl | (if you have a vorbis player) |
| 20:28.53 | [dmp] | localhost? |
| 20:28.57 | brlcad | lol |
| 20:29.07 | [dmp] | dosnt work :) |
| 20:29.17 | brlcad | I'm pretty sure that won't work for me, unless you have broken some security restrictions :) |
| 20:29.30 | larsl | Ah, darn it... |
| 20:29.44 | larsl | http://glasstowers.homelinux.net:8000/status.xsl |
| 20:30.06 | mmu_man | trying |
| 20:30.28 | larsl | That's not a stream URL, it's a webpage. |
| 20:32.12 | mmu_man | erf |
| 20:32.57 | mmu_man | SoundPlay doesn't seem to like .ogg.m3u |
| 20:33.41 | Tupone | Hear something, problem with the bandwidth |
| 20:33.55 | larsl | OK, then the stream is actually working now. |
| 20:33.58 | larsl | Thanks. |
| 20:34.19 | mmu_man | hmm it connects, but doesn't stop filling the buffer |
| 20:34.45 | Tupone | streaming |
| 20:34.48 | larsl | The bitrate is pretty high, maybe it wants lots of data buffered. |
| 20:35.44 | mmu_man | vorbis 44.1K, 192 bps |
| 20:35.47 | mmu_man | kbps |
| 20:36.53 | mmu_man | anyway |
| 20:36.57 | mmu_man | I give up with bzflag for now |
| 20:37.13 | mmu_man | I think we really need to work this GL stack over... |
| 20:37.26 | mmu_man | it's overly optimized,but certainly buggy |
| 20:37.36 | mmu_man | better use Mesa and port DRI IMO :) |
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| 20:40.03 | mmu_man | WOW |
| 20:40.14 | mmu_man | just as always, when you say you give up, it just works =) |
| 20:40.28 | mmu_man | I got connected for 10 seconds =) |
| 20:41.15 | Tupone | http://www.observatorio.unal.edu.co/virtual/books/ |
| 20:42.10 | mmu_man | I just stopped SoundPlay and it worked.. seems to be a race |
| 20:43.54 | mmu_man | anyway |
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| 20:52.59 | Nidhoggr | man.. this week is full of bad news. |
| 20:57.32 | Nidhoggr | a close friend had a second stroke last night, and was taken off of life support. |
| 20:57.39 | CIA | 03atupone * 12bzflag/ (configure.in): wrong compiler flag CPPFLAGS => CFLAGS -pg was duplicated |
| 20:57.40 | Nidhoggr | if he doesn't make it that's 2 friends this week. |
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| 20:58.54 | Carnage | hi, are there any canadian bz players on? |
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| 22:04.28 | Bagheera | ~bzflist |
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| 22:51.41 | KR | hi all |
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| 22:55.41 | Patlabor221 | whoot, 1 more method and it's done :) |
| 22:56.32 | TyroneFHornigh | This is the fabulous "it" that we've been hearing about? |
| 22:57.04 | Patlabor221 | well it is just part of it, but it got a lot more involeved then I had initaly planed |
| 22:58.08 | Patlabor221 | well making it be not slow has been a pain I should say |
| 22:58.25 | Patlabor221 | not doing string comps all over the place, but only when needed |
| 22:58.42 | TyroneFHornigh | It's good experience ;) |
| 22:58.47 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 22:59.01 | Patlabor221 | hopefully it will be usefull too |
| 22:59.10 | TyroneFHornigh | You're asking for a lot. |
| 22:59.11 | Patlabor221 | and kinda "fire and forget" when it's done |
| 22:59.45 | Patlabor221 | well I have had stuff work before, so maybe |
| 22:59.52 | TyroneFHornigh | It is portable of course ;) |
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| 23:00.24 | Patlabor221 | it uses SDL and an OS inspecific file IO class, so it should work on any SDL platform |
| 23:00.40 | Patlabor221 | tho it's not directly tied to SDL |
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| 23:01.00 | Patlabor221 | I just used SDL to implement the base "device" class |
| 23:01.34 | Patlabor221 | if you wanted to you could register up a difrent set of default classes for the base devices that used a difrent API or native stuff, and the caller would never know |
| 23:03.15 | Patlabor221 | may have to do that for the mouse, since SDL does not seem to support the mouse wheel |
| 23:03.31 | scanline | SDL supports the mouse wheel |
| 23:03.40 | Patlabor221 | as buttons 4 and 5 |
| 23:03.43 | scanline | yes |
| 23:03.47 | scanline | cheesy, but functionaly |
| 23:03.49 | Patlabor221 | there windows imp doesn't do it |
| 23:03.51 | scanline | er, functional |
| 23:03.55 | Patlabor221 | and I have a 5 button mouse :( |
| 23:03.55 | scanline | oh |
| 23:04.09 | scanline | yeah, that's one part of the SDL API that needs refixing |
| 23:04.22 | Patlabor221 | I have it hooked up to use the buttons 4 and 5 but it's "funky" |
| 23:04.23 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 23:04.44 | Patlabor221 | I've been trying to see if there is a way on windows I can poll the wheel state directly |
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| 23:04.59 | scanline | it's probably not hard to add wheel support to the driver |
| 23:05.01 | TyroneFHornigh | I was just looking through the info http://www.libsdl.org/index.php |
| 23:05.03 | altivec | hi |
| 23:05.04 | scanline | SDL's internals are quite sane |
| 23:05.08 | altivec | i need help |
| 23:05.32 | ravenouswolf | ok |
| 23:05.37 | ravenouswolf | here is my problem: |
| 23:05.44 | Patlabor221 | yeah I thought about fixing there wheel support, but the way they do it, it won't work on a 5 button mouse. |
| 23:06.09 | Patlabor221 | they also don't seem to support analog stick buttons. :( |
| 23:06.18 | ravenouswolf | whenever i get on bzflag for more than 30 seconds, my WiFi router completely shuts down and the network is rendered useless until i reset the router |
| 23:06.19 | scanline | Patlabor221: I think they remap the buttons so those would appear after the wheel 'buttons' |
| 23:06.53 | Patlabor221 | sounds like your router does not like UDP |
| 23:06.59 | ravenouswolf | does anyone have any ideas as to what the heck is going on? |
| 23:07.00 | Patlabor221 | scanline, ahh that would work then |
| 23:07.10 | Patlabor221 | is it a linksys? |
| 23:07.17 | ravenouswolf | no, it is a netgear |
| 23:07.20 | TyroneFHornigh | Where's the router in you network? |
| 23:07.28 | Patlabor221 | make sure it supports UDP |
| 23:07.35 | ravenouswolf | ok, i will check that |
| 23:07.35 | scanline | urgh |
| 23:07.37 | Patlabor221 | that's what BZ will send a lot of |
| 23:07.44 | scanline | simplest thing would be to just try another game and see if the same problem happens :P |
| 23:07.51 | Patlabor221 | other then that it's just packets, if your router can't handle it....... |
| 23:07.58 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 23:07.59 | ravenouswolf | TyroneFHornigh, it's between the comp and the cable modem |
| 23:08.28 | ravenouswolf | so the router is being overloaded with packets??? |
| 23:08.41 | Patlabor221 | that's what it sounds like from the info you give us |
| 23:08.50 | scanline | ravenouswolf: sounds like a bug in the router |
| 23:08.55 | TyroneFHornigh | Wireless to the network isn't the easiest way to play. It should be faster than the cable modem. |
| 23:08.56 | Patlabor221 | it's just data, BZ should do nothing specfic to jack a router |
| 23:08.58 | ravenouswolf | great |
| 23:09.00 | scanline | ravenouswolf: look for errata or patches from the manufacturer |
| 23:09.12 | ravenouswolf | scanline, i really hope it has been fixed :-( |
| 23:09.18 | TyroneFHornigh | Is it 11b or 11g? |
| 23:09.28 | ravenouswolf | 11b |
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| 23:09.55 | ravenouswolf | Patlabor221, i should think that UDP would be fine |
| 23:10.03 | TyroneFHornigh | Any wireless phones or similar devices in the immediate neighborhood? |
| 23:10.04 | ravenouswolf | anyone i could get around the problem? |
| 23:10.06 | ravenouswolf | no |
| 23:10.22 | ravenouswolf | no, it works fine for basic internet and downloading |
| 23:10.58 | TyroneFHornigh | You could be having several retries on the basic internet and downloading, and never notice anything. Have you tried a packet sniffer? |
| 23:11.24 | ravenouswolf | heh, no |
| 23:11.29 | ravenouswolf | what would that do? |
| 23:11.35 | Patlabor221 | browsing doesn't use UDP, that's why I mention it |
| 23:11.51 | ravenouswolf | i know that |
| 23:11.52 | ravenouswolf | but |
| 23:12.01 | ravenouswolf | it should shut down the network, right? |
| 23:12.14 | ravenouswolf | i mean, when i play bz, i cant use the network at all until i reset the router |
| 23:12.19 | TyroneFHornigh | It would let you know how many retries you get ordinarily, and whether you have any problems with standard tcp packets. |
| 23:12.33 | Patlabor221 | if the router is locked, that would make sense, but that doesn't happen on my router |
| 23:12.44 | ravenouswolf | Patlabor221, you have wifi? |
| 23:12.48 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 23:12.53 | ravenouswolf | oh ok |
| 23:12.53 | Patlabor221 | just a normal run of the mill router |
| 23:12.57 | ravenouswolf | ok |
| 23:13.02 | Patlabor221 | but wifi would not change it |
| 23:13.02 | ravenouswolf | ethernet, got it |
| 23:13.05 | ravenouswolf | ok |
| 23:13.09 | Patlabor221 | really sounds like a crap router |
| 23:13.20 | ravenouswolf | thats nice to know |
| 23:13.29 | ravenouswolf | i already took one back :-P |
| 23:13.30 | TyroneFHornigh | I have wifi, but I don't usually run on the wireless machines to play bz. |
| 23:13.40 | Nidhoggr | netgear is usually pretty good |
| 23:13.43 | ravenouswolf | TyroneFHornigh, what kind of router? |
| 23:13.47 | Nidhoggr | I'd look for firmware upgrades. |
| 23:13.50 | TyroneFHornigh | When I do, it doesn't lock the router or the ethernet bridge. |
| 23:13.51 | ravenouswolf | Nidhoggr, that was my understanding |
| 23:13.59 | ravenouswolf | TyroneFHornigh, ok |
| 23:14.03 | TyroneFHornigh | Airport router, linksys ethernet bridge. |
| 23:14.45 | Nidhoggr | I have a netgear router and a netgear wifi access point. |
| 23:14.54 | Nidhoggr | but I don't bzflag on wireless. |
| 23:14.57 | Nidhoggr | although I will be. |
| 23:14.58 | ravenouswolf | TyroneFHornigh, good for you - a mac user unto my own heart ;-) |
| 23:15.09 | TyroneFHornigh | BTW, I wouldn't complain about other people's lag if your running over wireless. :P |
| 23:15.17 | ravenouswolf | Nidhoggr, any way you can check it right now? |
| 23:15.25 | Nidhoggr | I'm not at home. |
| 23:15.28 | Nidhoggr | I'm at work. |
| 23:15.30 | ravenouswolf | ok |
| 23:15.31 | ravenouswolf | got it |
| 23:15.42 | Nidhoggr | I can check from home later. |
| 23:15.54 | ravenouswolf | TyroneFHornigh, actually, my lag is about 96ms |
| 23:16.07 | ravenouswolf | TyroneFHornigh, it works really well, when it works at all :-/ |
| 23:16.08 | Patlabor221 | would suck if wireless doesn't support UDP |
| 23:16.16 | TyroneFHornigh | I can check at home as well, I was going to update a couple of other machines to test. |
| 23:16.16 | ravenouswolf | Patlabor221, no shit |
| 23:16.29 | Patlabor221 | try another game first |
| 23:16.31 | Nidhoggr | friend plays over wireless all the time at work. |
| 23:16.37 | ravenouswolf | Nidhoggr, TyroneFHornigh : I would appreciate it |
| 23:16.52 | ravenouswolf | Patlabor221, ummm, this is the only UDP-based online game i have rofl |
| 23:17.03 | ravenouswolf | recommend any free downloads? |
| 23:17.18 | Patlabor221 | not knowing your OS, or config.. um ... no |
| 23:17.48 | ravenouswolf | i have XP with P4 2 GHz 256 MB and GF4MX 440-SE |
| 23:18.02 | ravenouswolf | can you recommend any downloads to test? |
| 23:18.02 | Patlabor221 | OS being the large one |
| 23:18.10 | ravenouswolf | see aboce |
| 23:18.13 | ravenouswolf | above |
| 23:18.23 | Patlabor221 | just got get a UT or quake demp |
| 23:18.25 | Patlabor221 | demo |
| 23:18.31 | Patlabor221 | or anything |
| 23:18.32 | ravenouswolf | can they play online? |
| 23:18.40 | Patlabor221 | they should |
| 23:18.41 | ravenouswolf | i didnt think they can be played online |
| 23:18.45 | Patlabor221 | but you won't know till you go look. |
| 23:19.01 | ravenouswolf | ok |
| 23:19.03 | ravenouswolf | hang on |
| 23:19.09 | ravenouswolf | i am checking freshmeat for some stuff |
| 23:21.29 | Patlabor221 | scanline, ever see a joystick with a trackball on it? |
| 23:23.46 | ravenouswolf | *sigh* this is frustrating |
| 23:23.52 | ravenouswolf | i cant find anything |
| 23:24.37 | ravenouswolf | lol @ riker's leaving message |
| 23:25.09 | Patlabor221 | http://www.subspacehq.com/ctmdl.php |
| 23:25.16 | Patlabor221 | continuoum will do UDP |
| 23:26.25 | Spiff | Oh.. hello ravenous. |
| 23:26.50 | ravenouswolf | hey spiff! |
| 23:27.01 | ravenouswolf | Patlabor221, what exactly is it? |
| 23:27.12 | TyroneFHornigh | It looks like I will be spending some time setting up SDL tonight. ;) |
| 23:27.49 | Patlabor221 | how hard is it to "set up"? |
| 23:27.58 | Patlabor221 | didn't look bad at all to me, I just chucked the libs in |
| 23:28.25 | TyroneFHornigh | It doesn't look like it's bad at all, just dl and build. |
| 23:28.38 | ravenouswolf | oh ok i see |
| 23:28.42 | ravenouswolf | well, worth a try |
| 23:28.48 | Patlabor221 | I didn't even have to build, I just used there bin libs |
| 23:28.56 | ravenouswolf | hope it doesnt install any virii or spyware :-/ |
| 23:29.00 | Patlabor221 | it dosn't |
| 23:29.04 | ravenouswolf | ok |
| 23:29.05 | Patlabor221 | it's subspace |
| 23:29.15 | ravenouswolf | heh, i dont know what that is |
| 23:29.19 | Patlabor221 | and subspace r0x0rz the boxorz |
| 23:29.27 | Patlabor221 | you will find out. |
| 23:29.54 | ravenouswolf | ok |
| 23:29.55 | TyroneFHornigh | There's some support for Project Builder as well ;) |
| 23:29.59 | ravenouswolf | you like it i see :-) |
| 23:30.03 | Patlabor221 | coo |
| 23:30.15 | ravenouswolf | TyroneFHornigh, so nice to see another mac afficianado :-) |
| 23:30.36 | Bagheera | ~seen Nidhoggr |
| 23:30.37 | | nidhoggr is currently on #bzflag. Has said a total of 207 messages. Is idling for 14m 6s |
| 23:30.40 | Patlabor221 | learner started hooking up PB support for all the nivie libs if you wish to see how they use SDL |
| 23:30.49 | Spiff | LoL Bagheera. |
| 23:30.52 | ravenouswolf | what the heck is ibot? |
| 23:30.58 | Patlabor221 | a bot |
| 23:31.02 | Patlabor221 | ~ibot |
| 23:31.03 | | hmm... ibot is a blootbot now, no longer an infobot. run by BZFlag (TimRiker) on his server. see blootbot also http://blootbot.sourceforge.net/ it uses SQLite but can use MySQL or other SQL for storage. |
| 23:31.03 | ravenouswolf | no shit lol |
| 23:31.04 | Spiff | ibot is a thingie that answers questions and stuff. |
| 23:31.06 | | Spiff: I give up, what is it? |
| 23:31.12 | TyroneFHornigh | ~slap Spiff |
| 23:31.14 | | ACTION slaps Spiff, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 23:31.19 | ravenouswolf | that is so weird |
| 23:31.26 | Patlabor221 | ? |
| 23:31.28 | Patlabor221 | it's just a bit |
| 23:31.29 | Patlabor221 | bot |
| 23:31.30 | Spiff | ~fishslap TyroneFHornigh |
| 23:31.33 | | ACTION slaps TyroneFHornigh up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 23:31.35 | ravenouswolf | ~slap SPiff |
| 23:31.38 | | ACTION slaps SPiff, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 23:31.40 | TyroneFHornigh | ~whaleslap Spiff |
| 23:31.42 | | ibot slaps Spiff upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
| 23:31.44 | ravenouswolf | that is weird |
| 23:31.45 | Spiff | Okay.. let's not get carried away. :P |
| 23:31.45 | Spiff | LoL |
| 23:31.50 | ravenouswolf | roflmao |
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| 23:31.54 | ravenouswolf | that is hilarious |
| 23:32.00 | Patlabor221 | if you say so |
| 23:32.01 | SGI_ | hi |
| 23:32.06 | ravenouswolf | heya sgi |
| 23:32.15 | ravenouswolf | ok, lemme go try thisa |
| 23:33.13 | ravenouswolf | brb |
| 23:33.51 | TyroneFHornigh | pat, what are the nivie libs? |
| 23:34.17 | Patlabor221 | libs that setup SDL, OpenGL, sound, texture loading, net and whatnot |
| 23:34.34 | Patlabor221 | basicly all the low level backend stuff for game dev |
| 23:35.28 | SGI_ | thank you Patlabor221 |
| 23:35.38 | Spiff | ~botsnack |
| 23:35.38 | | aw, gee, Spiff |
| 23:35.44 | Patlabor221 | uses SDL for window setup, and input. GL for 3d, FMOD for sound, and ENET for net |
| 23:35.56 | SGI_ | bye |
| 23:36.02 | TyroneFHornigh | Are these on your sources? |
| 23:36.24 | Patlabor221 | they are on asgards CVS server |
| 23:37.02 | Patlabor221 | tho the PNG reader for the texutre manager is busted :( |
| 23:37.25 | ravenouswolf | Patlabor221, what do i do for a password? |
| 23:37.41 | Patlabor221 | make one up, read the directions |
| 23:38.09 | ravenouswolf | ok |
| 23:38.23 | ravenouswolf | definitely looks cool |
| 23:39.14 | Patlabor221 | TyroneFHornigh and if your asking if I made them, yes mostly, cap helped with some of them. |
| 23:40.04 | TyroneFHornigh | I just need to get access to look at the changes learner made for SDL. ;) |
| 23:40.44 | Patlabor221 | heh |
| 23:41.02 | Patlabor221 | what did he add to SDL? just make it work on mac stuff? |
| 23:41.28 | Bagheera | dang killer rabbit |
| 23:41.39 | TyroneFHornigh | You told me he hooked up PB support for the nivie libs. |
| 23:41.50 | Patlabor221 | well he started to |
| 23:41.56 | Patlabor221 | I don't know how far he got |
| 23:42.08 | Patlabor221 | but there are OSX build folders |
| 23:42.14 | Patlabor221 | you have an asgard account? |
| 23:42.44 | TyroneFHornigh | I have access to the ftp account, but nothing else. |
