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| 00:01.08 | captain_proton | yay its two of him |
| 00:01.32 | captain_proton | aww |
| 00:01.36 | MrApathyCream | just one |
| 00:01.45 | captain_proton | :( |
| 00:02.33 | MrApathyCream | is it soup yet? |
| 00:02.49 | captain_proton | soup? |
| 00:03.05 | MrApathyCream | release? |
| 00:03.15 | captain_proton | ah, no clue |
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| 00:26.35 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/platform/MacOSX/BZFlag.pbproj (project.pbxproj): someone finally removed "the other Ping.cxx" |
| 00:26.51 | Patlabor221 | ping, the other white file |
| 00:26.59 | captain_proton | wasn't that removed a long time ago? |
| 00:27.44 | Michaelh | Ping -- the other white meat |
| 00:28.03 | Michaelh | doh |
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| 00:51.20 | Michaelh | you guys talk too much |
| 00:52.29 | Patlabor221 | perhaps it's all just in sign language |
| 00:53.19 | Michaelh | I'm thinking of doing a demo system.... |
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| 00:53.35 | Michaelh | Is there any better way of storing info than some fixed size record/s ? |
| 00:53.42 | Michaelh | thrown together in a binary file? |
| 00:53.49 | Carnage | hi |
| 00:53.59 | MrApathyCream | depends what you need the records for |
| 00:53.59 | Patlabor221 | it's a stream, so I don't see why it would not work |
| 00:54.07 | Patlabor221 | hello |
| 00:54.23 | Patlabor221 | and how large you expect them to be |
| 00:54.24 | Michaelh | positions of all the tanks, positions/velocity of shots I guess....... |
| 00:54.29 | Patlabor221 | are you gonna load them all in ram? |
| 00:54.36 | Michaelh | I think that would be stupid |
| 00:54.42 | Michaelh | hmmmmm |
| 00:54.49 | Patlabor221 | then you need something that will stream |
| 00:54.51 | Michaelh | I guess that was the question though :) |
| 00:54.59 | MrApathyCream | are u accessing serially or by some key? |
| 00:55.13 | Michaelh | like a demo file ... in sequence |
| 00:55.29 | Patlabor221 | on a fixed timeframe? |
| 00:55.38 | Patlabor221 | or just when you get them? |
| 00:55.41 | Michaelh | I guess so.. haven't thought too deeply about it |
| 00:56.06 | Patlabor221 | that's where you generaly start before you think about file structure |
| 00:56.14 | MrApathyCream | once you read one, will you ever go back to it? |
| 00:56.17 | Patlabor221 | and who's gonna record it the client? |
| 00:56.37 | Michaelh | was thinking it could be either client or server.... |
| 00:56.58 | Patlabor221 | well those are the 2 places that can do it :) |
| 00:57.02 | Michaelh | heh |
| 00:57.12 | Patlabor221 | server dosn't have a shot state |
| 00:57.31 | Michaelh | But there's no fancy "pseudo-database" architecture ...... for example |
| 00:57.41 | Patlabor221 | you'd have to research it |
| 00:57.50 | Patlabor221 | what your deiscribing is very similar to media streams |
| 00:57.59 | Michaelh | Ah well.. but the server does know when tanks blow up, right ? :) |
| 00:58.02 | MrApathyCream | yup |
| 00:58.02 | Michaelh | who needs shots...... |
| 00:58.03 | Patlabor221 | since you don't need random access |
| 00:58.06 | Michaelh | details! |
| 00:58.15 | Patlabor221 | no the clients tell the server when they blow up |
| 00:58.27 | MrApathyCream | ...but the server does find out |
| 00:58.27 | Patlabor221 | the client don't do hit detection |
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| 00:58.35 | Patlabor221 | yeah eventualy |
| 00:58.41 | Michaelh | lol... no shots but they just blow up.. cool |
| 00:59.12 | MrApathyCream | the server is informed when shots start (angle,vel,etc) |
| 00:59.25 | Patlabor221 | and it passes them on to the other players |
| 00:59.31 | Patlabor221 | it dosn't track them in flight |
| 00:59.38 | MrApathyCream | yup |
| 00:59.49 | Patlabor221 | the client is the only one who can tell you "where is that shot RIGHT NOW" |
| 00:59.59 | Patlabor221 | +- a buttload of lag |
| 01:00.18 | MrApathyCream | with the small 'sort-of' exception of GMs which update the server periodically |
| 01:00.22 | MrApathyCream | on flight path |
| 01:00.53 | Patlabor221 | yeah cus the clietns that didn't shoot it can't emulate it's lock logic well enough |
| 01:01.17 | MrApathyCream | well, also, the shooter can change targets |
| 01:01.21 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 01:01.37 | Patlabor221 | a loging client is your best bet probably, and just write out data in "chunks" |
| 01:01.45 | Patlabor221 | then read it in, in chunks |
| 01:01.56 | MrApathyCream | what's this for journalling/playback? |
| 01:01.59 | Patlabor221 | tho how do you plan to have the client play them back? |
| 01:02.07 | Patlabor221 | demo record/playback |
| 01:02.26 | Michaelh | that's why the server doing it is kind of neat.. |
| 01:02.30 | Patlabor221 | the client would have to have a totaly new gamestate that didn't use "real" logic, and just interpolated the stream |
| 01:02.45 | Patlabor221 | well then you have to add a lot to the server |
| 01:02.51 | Patlabor221 | like tracking the shots |
| 01:03.06 | Patlabor221 | and then the ability for the server to send "playback" commands to a client |
| 01:03.11 | Michaelh | just a thought at any rate |
| 01:03.13 | Patlabor221 | basicly making the client not take user input |
| 01:03.21 | Patlabor221 | yeah it could be cool |
| 01:03.32 | Patlabor221 | but looks like there is a lot to do |
| 01:03.33 | Michaelh | or else the player could keep doing whatever at the same time :) |
| 01:03.48 | Patlabor221 | then what would the point of it be |
| 01:03.59 | Patlabor221 | unless you blow everyone out to observer |
| 01:04.19 | Michaelh | just thinking |
| 01:04.23 | Patlabor221 | if you could still play, you kill an "actor" all his data is now moot |
| 01:04.48 | Patlabor221 | allways good to think :) |
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| 01:43.33 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/ (2 files in 2 dirs): cleaned up the aggressive filter a little; converted back to memset for a few extra cycles; removed commented prefix |
| 01:43.34 | learner | ~seen Chikorita |
| 01:43.35 | | chikorita <Chikorita@ACA1EB37.ipt.aol.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 5d 5h 55m 34s ago, saying: 'i musta did sumtin bad cuz sumbody hates mee now an i dunt even kno wut i did i jus tried 2 help dats all an i got in trubble again instead :'('. |
| 01:43.56 | learner | *sigh* |
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| 01:51.23 | learner | Woo hoo.. I can reproduce the segfault in the aggressive filter.. |
| 01:52.00 | learner | If I pipe bzfs /dev/random with filtering turned on.. it bites the big one, with it off, the server happily relays gibberish |
| 01:52.29 | learner | Now.. the easy part.. "why?" .... |
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| 01:57.13 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/ (BUGS): tupone fixxy |
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| 02:28.41 | MrApathyCream | the length of tim!!!! |
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| 02:30.41 | tvon | So whats up with 1) Turkey and 2) Hashmark? |
| 02:30.45 | tvon | cmon, answers people |
| 02:32.32 | MrApathyCream | *shrug* |
| 02:32.39 | learner | *shrug* |
| 02:32.50 | tvon | ah |
| 02:33.10 | learner | Lemme know if ducati, rose, or quol's ctf go down and I'll care a little more :) |
| 02:33.16 | tvon | heh |
| 02:35.12 | |tim| | heya all |
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| 02:59.17 | learner | Has anyone gotten invisible #4 yet? |
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| 03:02.10 | SGI | hello |
| 03:02.26 | learner | heya sgi |
| 03:02.35 | learner | your changes are now really in |
| 03:02.55 | SGI | thanks man |
| 03:03.04 | SGI | only waves |
| 03:03.55 | SGI | thats it |
| 03:04.08 | SGI | I need more |
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| 03:05.50 | learner | are those guns in your hands? ("Dance for me! Dance! DANCE!") |
| 03:06.10 | JBDiGriz | Some people should count their blessings and be happy with what they get :) |
| 03:07.00 | JBDiGriz | I didn't get that invisible, so I'm not sure what's in his hands ;) |
| 03:09.38 | JBDiGriz | Did you finish the other half of the six-pack? |
| 03:09.51 | learner | working on that problem now :) |
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| 03:10.21 | icekmkz | uia! |
| 03:12.33 | learner | very effective at provoking a crash |
| 03:13.08 | JBDiGriz | Torturing programs again. Have you discussed your sadistic tendencies with a counselor? |
| 03:14.02 | JBDiGriz | I suppose I should run the mac client with all graphics options on while connected to the server that you're feeding. That might provoke a hang. ;) |
| 03:15.32 | learner | heh, perhaps... |
| 03:16.08 | JBDiGriz | Have you tried running the client on linux? |
| 03:16.29 | learner | prior to the g2 release, yes :/ |
| 03:17.13 | JBDiGriz | I was thinking about Nidhoggr's remarks concerning performance, and I was wondering if we should really try to come up with some tests to see if there's something we can do for the mac client. |
| 03:19.28 | learner | optimization is always a good thing |
| 03:20.04 | JBDiGriz | True, but the mac shouldn't need more optimization than a linux box. |
| 03:22.11 | learner | wow.. wierd |
| 03:22.39 | learner | for some reason.. new char(blahsize + 1) eventually crashes |
| 03:23.12 | learner | I create a copy of the text to be filtered and stash it into an array.. this somehow ends up eventually failing |
| 03:23.32 | learner | If I make it an stl string all is okay with the world.. grrr |
| 03:28.03 | learner | yes.. in the group.db.. where did you put it? |
| 03:35.34 | learner | the default group "config" should be stashed in misc/ for convenience... |
| 03:37.44 | icekmkz | flwz |
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| 03:39.28 | learner | It's like a condensed chikorita |
| 03:39.46 | Spiff | Sweetened condensed Chikorita? ;-) |
| 03:41.26 | learner | can someone tell me how to do this with an stl string? memset(sInput + startOffset, 'W', endOffset - startOffset); |
| 03:44.15 | triclops2 | maybe for(int i=startOffset; i < endOffset; i++) s.replace(i,1,"W"); |
| 03:44.26 | triclops2 | i'm not too sure though |
| 03:44.47 | triclops2 | s/int/size_type/ |
| 03:45.25 | learner | eep.. that can't be anywhere near as efficient.. |
| 03:45.54 | triclops2 | hehe, i have no idea what all the methods for the string class are |
| 03:46.01 | triclops2 | i just did a google search |
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| 03:56.38 | learner | this is the closest I've found: |
| 03:56.39 | learner | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:56.40 | learner | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:56.48 | Spiff | *sigh* I'm in love. |
| 03:56.56 | *** part/#bzflag creeperz (~creeperz@host-11-76-220-24.midco.net) |
| 03:57.34 | Noodleman | Spiff: is she in love with you? |
| 03:58.43 | Spiff | Ohhh yeah. |
| 03:58.49 | Spiff | Tell me what you think.... |
| 03:58.52 | Spiff | http://i8.ebayimg.com/03/i/00/ae/42/12_1_s.JPG |
| 03:58.57 | Noodleman | that's always a good thing :-) |
| 03:59.10 | Noodleman | haha |
| 03:59.16 | Spiff | I love her. Wow! The lines and curves! Amazing! |
| 03:59.21 | Spiff | ;-) |
| 03:59.31 | Noodleman | i thought it was Mandi again :-) |
| 03:59.49 | Spiff | Ohhh. Nah. But that's possible. :-) |
| 04:00.40 | Spiff | http://i22.ebayimg.com/03/i/00/af/ac/3e_1.JPG |
| 04:00.45 | Noodleman | i just want a car that is cheap and that works |
| 04:00.47 | Spiff | What do you think of my baby? ;-) |
| 04:00.56 | Noodleman | costs too much |
| 04:01.00 | Spiff | LoL |
| 04:01.14 | Noodleman | and i'm not partial to red cars, personally |
| 04:01.19 | Spiff | They are a *lil'* 'spensive. But they could be worse... poor man's Ferrari. :-) |
| 04:01.23 | Spiff | The second one is black. ;-) |
| 04:01.31 | Spiff | OoO.. gotta run to Wal-Mart. Bbs. |
| 04:01.34 | Noodleman | it's ok |
| 04:02.31 | Noodleman | if it has a 6-cd changer in it and is no more that 10,000 bucks, i probably like it :-) |
| 04:02.58 | Noodleman | (read: USED) |
| 04:03.00 | Noodleman | hehe |
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| 04:04.34 | JBDiGriz | It's definitely a geek car. :) |
| 04:04.43 | Noodleman | got a pic? |
| 04:04.58 | Noodleman | so that i can like it too? |
| 04:05.03 | JBDiGriz | Not of mine in particular, but I can find one on a web site somewhere. |
| 04:05.04 | learner | w00 g00 hoo !!! no more crashing |
| 04:05.13 | Noodleman | ok |
| 04:05.34 | learner | wonder if it still works.. hrm |
| 04:05.49 | Noodleman | yo ho ho, and another debug |
| 04:05.57 | Noodleman | :-) |
| 04:05.58 | JBDiGriz | http://www.toyota.com/html/shop/vehicles/prius/ |
| 04:06.07 | Noodleman | ah toyota prius :-) |
| 04:06.21 | Noodleman | that is a geek car :-) |
| 04:06.35 | creeperz | So purty |
| 04:06.37 | creeperz | must own |
| 04:06.56 | Noodleman | yes, i wouldn't mind having one of them |
| 04:07.02 | JBDiGriz | 2002 model. I drove it up to San Mateo the other week, got 50MPG, and didn't feel all shaken up when I got out. |
| 04:07.03 | Noodleman | just too expensive :-) |
| 04:07.42 | learner | wow, that's near optimal mpg |
| 04:08.03 | JBDiGriz | Not really any more expensive than any other car. There might even be a few used ones around because the '04 is a very interesting upgrade. |
| 04:08.34 | learner | weee.. it works! |
| 04:09.12 | creeperz | I'll get a pic of my truck before too long after I fix it up |
| 04:09.18 | creeperz | It's not a geek truck |
| 04:09.47 | creeperz | More of a "Move your little Toyota geek car or I'll go over yu" truck |
| 04:09.57 | learner | and I shaved 20% off the runtime performance to boot! |
| 04:10.28 | JBDiGriz | If you can keep up with me on the hills, then you have a pretty good engine on that truck. |
| 04:10.39 | creeperz | 351 |
| 04:10.43 | Noodleman | http://www.fordvehicles.com/trucks/ranger/glance/index.asp#Ranger_Edge |
| 04:10.43 | creeperz | V8 |
| 04:10.46 | Noodleman | that's mine |
| 04:10.49 | Noodleman | 2001 |
| 04:11.25 | Noodleman | i didn't know the new ones have an mp3/cd player |
| 04:11.30 | Noodleman | that's just not right |
| 04:11.30 | JBDiGriz | 19 city/22 hwy ;) |
| 04:11.50 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/include (WordFilter.h): who woulda thunk that the operator supports appending chars.. who woulda thunk |
| 04:12.00 | Noodleman | :-) |
| 04:12.04 | creeperz | My dad built a little device that Ford uses now |
| 04:12.10 | creeperz | And most over major car corps] |
| 04:12.59 | JBDiGriz | Used 2001 Prius on ebay is $11000. I wouldn't get the '01 though. There were a few first US year issues. It comes close to your price point for a used car. |
| 04:13.34 | Noodleman | i'm not sure i would feel right getting a car off of ebay |
| 04:13.53 | Noodleman | have you done that? |
| 04:14.11 | JBDiGriz | I'm just using it as a reference point. There's a '02 with NAV for $12,500. That sounds like a better deal. |
| 04:14.14 | creeperz | http://www.dealsonwheels.com/search/detailbig.cfm/Autos__ID/202393 (not a photo of my truck) My truck is green, 4 inch lift, roll bar in back and pipes |
| 04:14.24 | creeperz | And much larger tires |
| 04:15.29 | Noodleman | oooh, let's check out motorcycles |
| 04:16.09 | JBDiGriz | Noodleman: $2.00 per gallon ;) |
| 04:16.35 | Noodleman | is that the price where you are? |
| 04:17.02 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/common (WordFilter.cxx): phooey.. c++ borkaged on the char array for non-apparent reasons when I fed it /dev/random input. painage relieved by replacing it with an stl string; managed to ultimately trim a tidbit off of the performance as well (20% give or take); perhaps the bug is now squished? |
| 04:17.05 | JBDiGriz | yep, it's come down quite a bit in the past 2 weeks. San Diego tends to be expensive. |
| 04:17.31 | Noodleman | it's around 1.70 here, last time i checked |
| 04:17.47 | creeperz | 1.30 here :-) |
| 04:17.53 | creeperz | ish |
| 04:18.23 | Noodleman | f00m |
| 04:18.28 | creeperz | Goin to bed |
| 04:18.38 | creeperz | B day tomorrow |
| 04:18.42 | creeperz | I hate B day |
| 04:18.47 | Noodleman | happy b-day |
| 04:18.50 | *** topic/#bzflag by learner -> http://BZFlag.org/ || http://list.BZFlag.org/ || http://stats.BZFlag.org/ || forums http://bzbb.bzflag.org || put javadoc-style /** comments */ in headers! || cvs snapshots: http://sfsnap.babylonia.flatirons.org/ Win32 versions http://www.bakadigital.com/BZ/19 || aggressive filter bug may be fixed.. |
| 04:18.51 | Noodleman | why? |
| 04:19.03 | creeperz | Want me to read you my schedule? |
| 04:19.09 | Noodleman | sure :-) |
| 04:19.18 | creeperz | Language Arts 9 |
| 04:19.26 | creeperz | Basic Alg |
| 04:19.29 | creeperz | Health |
| 04:19.34 | creeperz | Studyhall |
| 04:19.35 | learner | if larsl, tim, or whoever would please validate my assertion if/when you read this :) |
| 04:19.48 | creeperz | I like A-day :-) |
| 04:19.56 | creeperz | B-day is only good for sleep |
| 04:20.09 | Noodleman | ok i misunderstood |
| 04:20.10 | JBDiGriz | learner, none of those people are on, so they might not see the message. |
| 04:20.20 | Noodleman | my mind registered birthday |
| 04:20.24 | creeperz | Ohh |
| 04:20.28 | Noodleman | i guess that's not it |
| 04:20.36 | creeperz | I like birthdays |
| 04:20.36 | learner | if they happen to read the log :) |
| 04:20.58 | creeperz | My birthday schedule is |
| 04:21.00 | creeperz | Sleep |
| 04:21.02 | creeperz | Sleep |
| 04:21.08 | creeperz | Wake up, get food |
| 04:21.09 | SGI | beer |
| 04:21.10 | creeperz | Sleep |
| 04:21.10 | JBDiGriz | larsl will be around tomorrow, and I'm sure he'll be happy to test it out ;) |
| 04:21.12 | learner | speaking of such.. time for me to do that |
| 04:21.21 | learner | g'night |
| 04:21.25 | SGI | nite |
| 04:21.26 | JBDiGriz | g'nite |
| 04:21.28 | creeperz | Yea |
| 04:21.31 | Noodleman | l8r |
| 04:21.36 | creeperz | Throw a beer in there and it's a day |
| 04:21.40 | creeperz | ;-) |
| 04:21.47 | creeperz | I'm on me way too |
| 04:21.50 | creeperz | See yu |
| 04:21.56 | Noodleman | f00m00f |
| 04:21.58 | SGI | thank you learner |
| 04:22.03 | learner | np |
| 04:22.11 | SGI | nite |
| 04:22.34 | JBDiGriz | it's my son's b-day tomorrow. He had his party earlier today. |
| 04:23.04 | Noodleman | what kinda loot did he get, if i may ask? |
| 04:23.30 | JBDiGriz | Chess games, magnetic build toys, books. I must be doing something right ;) |
| 04:23.44 | Noodleman | hehe |
| 04:23.57 | Noodleman | that's the kinda stuff i got when i was younger :-) |
| 04:24.10 | JBDiGriz | He had his party at the laser tag arena. |
| 04:24.16 | Noodleman | now i get pizza, software, and video games :-) |
| 04:25.01 | JBDiGriz | If I'm lucky, I get a DVD and several cards. ;) |
| 04:29.10 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/include (WordFilter.h): mac hits learner with the std bat |
| 04:32.30 | learner | heh |
| 04:33.29 | JBDiGriz | and where was mac when learner was asking about using strings.... ;) |
| 04:33.41 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 04:34.02 | JBDiGriz | Counting blessings I'm sure ;) |
| 04:34.03 | MrApathyCream | std::string test = "hello"; |
| 04:34.08 | MrApathyCream | that help? |
| 04:34.31 | learner | har |
| 04:35.34 | learner | I think what I ended up with is effectively (at least could be implemented as) two memset's which is still way better than looping myself and setting chars |
| 04:36.04 | JBDiGriz | It's always embarassing when you loop yourself. |
| 04:36.14 | learner | indeed |
| 04:42.35 | captain_proton | oof |
| 04:43.14 | MrApathyCream | hey, cappy, what'ya think about suspending speed checks .25secs after dropping a flag? |
| 04:43.22 | MrApathyCream | (or some other amount of time) |
| 04:54.55 | Spiff | Noodleman- You can get a nice 3000 GT for under 10 and a lot of them do have CD changers. ;-) |
| 04:55.23 | Spiff | JB- Interesting car. ;) |
| 04:55.25 | tvon | maybe |
| 04:55.32 | Spiff | Mazda, right? |
| 04:55.36 | tvon | yeah |
| 04:55.42 | tvon | 3000gt? tis mitsu |
| 04:55.46 | Spiff | Yepperz. |
| 04:55.52 | Spiff | Suuuuuuper pretty cars. :-) |
| 04:55.56 | tvon | heh, yeah |
| 04:56.44 | Spiff | I'm a Chevy/GMC sorta guy... but I will make an exception for the 3000 GT. |
| 04:56.56 | tvon | heh |
| 04:57.06 | tvon | I have no love for american cars....except maybe some dodges |
| 04:57.19 | tvon | Well...vette is okay...a lot of cars come on my list before it though |
| 04:57.38 | Spiff | Are you from the US, tvon? |
| 04:57.40 | tvon | I'd like the mustang if the GT didnt have fake intakes...that just pissses me off |
| 04:57.49 | tvon | I live in Baltimore MD |
| 04:57.54 | tvon | grew up in Annapolis MD |
| 04:58.02 | tvon | tu? |
| 04:58.10 | JBDiGriz | Major center of the bzflag world. |
| 04:58.18 | tvon | hah |
| 04:58.22 | Spiff | Indiana. For at least a few more months. :-) |
| 04:58.25 | Spiff | Then I'm relocating to NC. |
| 04:58.27 | tvon | heh |
| 04:58.35 | tvon | ah |
| 04:58.48 | tvon | never spent any time in NC...had a friend that went to charlston SC though...which is very nice |
| 04:59.09 | tvon | er... 'went to' == attended U of Charleston |
| 04:59.21 | tvon | Charelston....hrm....however its spelled |
| 04:59.48 | Spiff | Ahhh yes. Charleston seems quite nice. My mom has some friends there. So far I've only seen pics/heard stories tho. |
| 05:00.05 | tvon | ooh, you should visit |
| 05:00.27 | tvon | I've never been in a college town with more gorgeous people |
| 05:00.36 | tvon | was like living in a tv show |
| 05:00.45 | tvon | nice town too |
| 05:00.55 | Spiff | Hmm. Pretty girls? ;-) |
| 05:00.59 | tvon | oh yes |
| 05:01.05 | Spiff | C-ya! LoL |
| 05:01.06 | tvon | hehe |
| 05:01.07 | JBDiGriz | I like the pretty girls at the colleges around here. |
| 05:01.13 | MrApathyCream | yay for Maryland |
| 05:01.16 | tvon | JBDiGriz: wheres that? |
| 05:01.23 | JBDiGriz | San Diego |
| 05:01.31 | tvon | ah |
| 05:01.41 | tvon | MrApathyCream: you are in....Wheaton? Or am I thinking of someone else? |
| 05:01.53 | MrApathyCream | Warwick, MD |
| 05:01.57 | tvon | ah |
| 05:02.01 | tvon | man...where is that?? |
| 05:02.03 | Spiff | I wish they all could be California girls.... |
| 05:02.04 | Spiff | ;-) |
| 05:02.05 | MrApathyCream | Cecil Co |
| 05:02.08 | tvon | ah |
| 05:02.12 | MrApathyCream | eastern shore |
| 05:02.12 | tvon | one of them parts I've never been too |
| 05:02.15 | tvon | ahhhhh |
| 05:02.19 | JBDiGriz | East coast girls are hip |
| 05:03.19 | Spiff | And the northern girls with the way they kiss... |
| 05:03.22 | Spiff | Errr... ummm.... |
| 05:03.23 | Spiff | :-) |
| 05:03.28 | tvon | heh |
| 05:03.54 | JBDiGriz | I thought you were around the midwest farmer's daughters ;) |
| 05:04.20 | Spiff | Well sorta. I'm almost in Michigan.. and that isn't really the Midwest. |
| 05:04.24 | Spiff | At least I don't think it is. :\ |
| 05:04.44 | Spiff | So I could feel alright here... or be kept warm at night a few miles north. Hmmm. |
| 05:04.51 | JBDiGriz | Chicago is considered the midwest |
| 05:05.10 | Spiff | True true. I'm roughly two hours from there.. :-) |
| 05:05.17 | tvon | which |
| 05:05.19 | tvon | er, ignore |
| 05:05.28 | tvon | stupid sloppy-focus is broken it seems ;) |
| 05:06.22 | Spiff | This song is pry older than me. |
| 05:06.32 | tvon | heh |
| 05:06.44 | Spiff | "Your kiss is on my list..." |
| 05:07.32 | tvon | prince? |
| 05:07.37 | tvon | no.... |
| 05:07.43 | Spiff | Hall and Oats. :-) |
| 05:07.51 | tvon | ahh |
| 05:08.37 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (bzfs.cxx): Don't do speed checks on server a short time after player does a flag drop or transfer |
| 05:09.54 | tvon | I need a good colo setup |
| 05:10.01 | tvon | so I can run a bz server *g* |
| 05:10.31 | Spiff | I have a question.. that is pry stupid.. but I'm gonna ask anyway. |
| 05:10.35 | tvon | Tired of scrounging for a server like some sort of sickly crack head |
| 05:10.52 | tvon | ? |
| 05:10.57 | Spiff | I've been *super* laggy on quol and ducati lately. Could there be a problem with one of the hops or something? |
| 05:11.17 | tvon | could be :) |
| 05:11.19 | Spiff | I used to lag 60-90ms on quol and 150-170ms on ducati. Now I can't get below 210ms on either of them. |
| 05:11.32 | tvon | Best servers I hit are hashmark and turkey, both of which have vanished |
| 05:11.40 | Spiff | Which seems especially odd for quol's server since I don't have an entire ocean to cross. |
| 05:11.46 | Spiff | Sad but true, tvon. :( |
| 05:11.53 | tvon | heh |
| 05:12.26 | Spiff | Tho I think KP may bring Turkey back if the "Karma" system gets implimented. |
| 05:12.35 | tvon | ah |
| 05:12.37 | Spiff | He was just sick of the "annonymous" junk from people. |
| 05:12.43 | tvon | that why it went away? |
| 05:12.45 | tvon | ahh |
| 05:12.54 | tvon | I stopped playing it because he started using maps I didnt like |
| 05:12.55 | MrApathyCream | happy waiting |
| 05:13.10 | tvon | heh |
| 05:13.25 | Spiff | Bah. Canyon 3.0... I made that map... ick. I was getting *sick* of it too. |
| 05:13.31 | tvon | Hashmark was pretty good for a while when stib got a ton of admins |
| 05:13.54 | Spiff | Yeah. Although I didn't like some of their policies... too lax on language and stuff. |
| 05:14.01 | tvon | I like the hashmark mad city and that king of the castle thing that turkey had for a while |
| 05:14.24 | tvon | yeah....stib described it as 'do what you like' to the admins...I'd kick folks for language sometimes...but other folks didnt |
| 05:14.56 | tvon | no qualms about kicking folks for idiocy |
| 05:15.00 | tvon | heh |
| 05:15.01 | Spiff | Good stuph. :-) |
| 05:15.03 | Spiff | LoL |
| 05:15.09 | Spiff | Same here. |
| 05:19.58 | Spiff | Hmmm. Why's that? :-) |
| 05:20.22 | Noodleman | http://www.thinkgeek.com/cubegoodies/toys/60b6/ |
| 05:20.24 | MrApathyCream | join a world where you're an admin and type /set _gravity 5 |
| 05:20.28 | MrApathyCream | and see what happens |
| 05:20.45 | Noodleman | m00f forever! |
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| 06:24.12 | quol-mobile | greetings |
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| 09:55.48 | larsl | I can't get bzfs to crash. |
| 09:56.04 | larsl | And valgrind doesn't report hundreds of invalid read/writes anymore. |
| 10:10.31 | CIA | 03larsl * 12bzflag/src/net (Pack.cxx): Don't let broken clients break the server, always add a '\0' at the end when unpacking strings |
| 10:26.32 | CIA | 03larsl * 12bzflag/src/bzadmin (2 files): Fix buffer overrun in bzadmin (StdBoth interface) |
| 10:44.13 | CIA | 03larsl * 12bzflag/src/bzadmin (CursesUI.cxx): Fix command history bug in bzadmin, trying to access the history when there was no history would crash the program |
| 10:47.51 | CIA | 03larsl * 12bzflag/src/bzadmin (CursesUI.cxx): Go to the end of the command history when the line is cleared with Ctrl-U |
| 11:18.28 | CIA | 03larsl * 12bzflag/src/bzadmin (pdcurses_adapter.h): Fixed some PDCurses-related bugs |
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| 12:17.09 | larsl | If any xmission admin is reading this, please ban Jason. |
| 12:17.12 | larsl | ~xmission |
| 12:17.16 | larsl | He's impossible to kill. |
| 12:17.28 | larsl | And he is not lagging. |
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| 14:04.54 | mmu_man | hmmm |
| 14:05.00 | mmu_man | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:05.00 | mmu_man | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:05.15 | mmu_man | could it be just that bzflag thinks multicast is always available ? |
| 14:05.22 | mmu_man | it's not yet supported in BONE... |
| 14:05.30 | mmu_man | rather, not with the NIC I use |
| 14:09.13 | mmu_man | hmm thought there was an option to disable udp ? |
| 14:09.46 | larsl_school | I didn't think we used multicast now. |
| 14:10.41 | mmu_man | so what does this mean ? Using multicast relay |
| 14:12.09 | larsl_school | But someone said a couple of days ago that multicast isn't used at all now. |
| 14:12.27 | mmu_man | ok |
| 14:12.42 | mmu_man | wondering as it's just after connecting to the server that it crashes |
| 14:24.01 | mmu_man | btw |
| 14:24.15 | mmu_man | instead guessing what's wrong I should first validate bzfs |
| 14:24.31 | mmu_man | just in case it was the one making bzflag crash |
| 14:24.48 | mmu_man | someone can connect to 81.248.191.175 5154 ? |
| 14:26.37 | larsl_school | I'm there. |
| 14:26.40 | mmu_man | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:26.41 | mmu_man | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:26.42 | mmu_man | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:26.43 | mmu_man | :) |
| 14:27.09 | larsl_school | 1.9.3.20030926-ALPHA-beos, cool! |
| 14:27.20 | mmu_man | :) |
| 14:27.25 | mmu_man | so, bzfs works |
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| 14:36.31 | larsl_school | brlcad: Can't get bzfs to crash now. |
| 14:36.37 | brlcad | Weee! |
| 14:37.14 | brlcad | I was only able to reproduce a crash after vast amounts of /dev/random garbage was fed to it via bzadmin =) |
| 14:37.32 | larsl_school | =) |
| 14:37.58 | brlcad | But once I did that, it was fairly easy to track down. |
| 14:38.26 | brlcad | It's still not clear what the actual problem is/was with what was there before. I didn't change any of the logic really. |
| 14:38.32 | larsl_school | I'm surprised that you didn't crash bzadmin with that - I found out this morning that it can crash if you send too long lines with the StdBoth interface. |
| 14:42.39 | brlcad | Yet again that slick little tool is found to be rather useful :) |
| 14:42.50 | brlcad | yea, I was just using stdin |
| 14:43.17 | brlcad | I figured something in either bzadmin or bzflag would choke on the random garbage as well, but it didn't |
| 14:44.09 | brlcad | It's odd.. basically this caused the crash: char *blah = new char(size + 1); |
| 14:44.32 | larsl_school | That's what valgrind was complaining about too. |
| 14:45.48 | larsl_school | "Invalid write of size 1" or something like that. I didn't understand how there could be something wrong with that line. |
| 14:46.11 | larsl_school | The () were really [], right? |
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| 14:48.37 | brlcad | no, they were ()'s.. |
| 14:49.09 | larsl_school | Ah. |
| 14:49.21 | larsl_school | I guess valgrind was right. |
| 14:49.37 | brlcad | so it was "effectively" char *blah= new char(19); etc. |
| 14:51.42 | larsl_school | That must have been the bug, then. Incredible, I was reading that line dozens of times yesterday. |
| 14:51.55 | brlcad | What's wrong with that? |
| 14:52.18 | larsl_school | I should have seen it. =P |
| 14:52.18 | brlcad | my c++ isoterics fail me |
| 14:52.40 | larsl_school | Expecially since the debugger told me that the problem was somewhere there. |
| 14:53.59 | larsl_school | ~dict isoterics |
| 14:54.12 | larsl_school | ~spell isoterics |
| 14:54.14 | | possible spellings for isoterics: isometrics esoterica esoteric hysterics isomeric |
| 14:54.25 | larsl_school | ~dict esoteric |
| 14:54.47 | larsl_school | Haha. =) |
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| 14:56.15 | brlcad | larsl_school: pfft! blah |
| 14:57.41 | brlcad | ah, I think I see the problem now in hindsight, just expecting a little too much from the char constructor.. |
| 14:59.55 | mmu_man | brlcad now can you tell me why bzflag crashes here ? *g* |
| 15:00.09 | brlcad | char(N) inits the char to the value N, whereas char[N] was what I wanted.. sheesh |
| 15:01.45 | larsl_school | Oh, sorry, I thought you saw it too. |
| 15:01.57 | larsl_school | Otherwise I would have told you. =) |
| 15:09.16 | mmu_man | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:09.17 | mmu_man | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:09.18 | mmu_man | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:09.19 | mmu_man | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:09.19 | mmu_man | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:11.00 | brlcad | niet, know not I do |
| 15:11.59 | brlcad | I miss Be |
| 15:13.49 | mmu_man | just install it :p |
| 15:20.27 | Nidhoggr | hrm. my programmer friend hacked my bzfs to time stamp, and changed all the log messages to be more readable/script parsable. |
| 15:25.06 | Nidhoggr | grrr. new pccillin update broke my realvnc viewer. |
| 15:26.33 | brlcad | mmu_man: don't have a box that Be will install onto any more and remain useful |
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| 15:29.47 | Nidhoggr | how attached are people to the current -d message formats? |
| 15:38.39 | mmu_man | KERN 'bzflag'[40676]: address: 0x3d109099, op: 8 pc: 0xec076565, tmid: 23950 thid: 40676 |
| 15:39.15 | mmu_man | 112896 /boot/beos/system/lib/libroot.so ec016000 ec08a1c0 10658 0 |
| 15:40.38 | mmu_man | printf '%lx\n' $((0xec076565 - 0xec016000)) |
| 15:46.22 | brlcad | be back soon -- lunchtime |
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| 16:09.17 | Nidhoggr | moo |
| 16:09.19 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 16:10.12 | Noodleman | let me educate you on proper bovine utterances: |
| 16:10.24 | Noodleman | moooooOOOO0000000ooooooo...... |
| 16:10.27 | Nidhoggr | heh |
| 16:10.37 | Nidhoggr | a LONG time ago |
| 16:10.51 | Noodleman | i've never lived on a farm |
| 16:10.59 | Noodleman | my mom grew up on one, tho |
| 16:11.09 | Nidhoggr | our house burned down when i was in 4th grade. |
| 16:11.15 | Noodleman | ugg |
| 16:11.17 | Nidhoggr | so we moved to the city |
| 16:11.34 | Noodleman | you should have an interesting talk with my grandma |
| 16:11.44 | Noodleman | she has gone through and experienced everything |
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| 16:11.59 | Nidhoggr | well, the city we moved to was more like a tiny town of 6500 |
| 16:12.00 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 16:12.16 | Noodleman | floods, prairie fires, house fires, earthquakes, even rode a pig standing up once :-) |
| 16:12.29 | Nidhoggr | hahahaha |
| 16:12.31 | Nidhoggr | cool :) |
| 16:12.39 | Nidhoggr | I like chatting with people like that. |
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| 16:14.13 | Nidhoggr | so, my friend modified a bzfs for me to give more comprehensive and timestamped log entries. |
| 16:14.58 | Nidhoggr | so I am hoping to work out a comprimise to get it implemented, so he doesn't have to modify every time I upgrade. |
| 16:15.11 | Nidhoggr | it didn't take him very long. |
| 16:15.33 | Nidhoggr | but if it is implemented, he's also writing some statistical tools to parse the logs. |
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| 16:17.12 | mmu_man | export BZFLAGSAVE=/boot/home/bzflag.pkts |
| 16:17.22 | mmu_man | it creates the file, but never writes anything to it |
| 16:17.36 | Nidhoggr | how long do you wait? |
| 16:17.37 | mmu_man | creshes before |
| 16:17.39 | mmu_man | :-( |
| 16:17.40 | Nidhoggr | ah |
| 16:17.42 | Nidhoggr | :( |
| 16:18.19 | Nidhoggr | so, every log entry has a time/date stamp in raw format, callsign, team, action, and IP |
| 16:18.33 | Nidhoggr | 1064542731.193331 JOINGAME 0 Nidhoggr 68.99.227.92 7 Red - 0 0 0 |
| 16:18.56 | Nidhoggr | 1064543382.855556 GRABFLAG 0 Nidhoggr 68.99.227.92 7 Red R 0 0 0 |
| 16:19.01 | Nidhoggr | kind of cool |
| 16:19.29 | Nidhoggr | the R in the 4th to the last field is the Flag |
| 16:19.51 | Nidhoggr | so each entry shows what flag the person was using. |
| 16:19.54 | mmu_man | 'd be better if it didn't crash on join |
| 16:20.14 | mmu_man | some months ago it used to work sometimes |
| 16:20.19 | mmu_man | now it doesn't work at all |
| 16:20.24 | Nidhoggr | what's changed? |
| 16:23.33 | mmu_man | dunno |
| 16:24.12 | mmu_man | and I don't know why but I can't strace it |
| 16:24.16 | mmu_man | it seems to deadlock |
| 16:24.28 | mmu_man | bad interaction with the OGL lib |
| 16:24.47 | Nidhoggr | ack |
| 16:24.55 | Nidhoggr | that's not good. |
| 16:28.14 | mmu_man | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:28.14 | mmu_man | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:28.15 | mmu_man | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:28.16 | mmu_man | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:28.58 | Big_Barrel | ~ducati6 |
| 16:30.17 | mmu_man | whatever that means :) |
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| 16:30.57 | Nidhoggr | hi TFH |
| 16:30.58 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 16:31.11 | Patlabor221 | run luke.. run... |
| 16:32.12 | Nidhoggr | heh |
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| 16:32.47 | Nidhoggr | he's made the mods to a copy of the 1.7 code... so he'd have to do the same to the 1.9 1.10 code for me at some point. |
| 16:33.15 | Nidhoggr | but it's akin to real server logging. :) |
| 16:33.23 | Patlabor221 | yes to get it commited would need to be 1.9.x |
| 16:33.57 | Nidhoggr | nod. I told him that. he said it didn't take him very long to make the mods. |
| 16:34.05 | Nidhoggr | he worked on it off and on yesterday. |
| 16:34.12 | Nidhoggr | hiya |
| 16:34.40 | Nidhoggr | I was trying to get folks interested in a mod my friend did for me to timestamp log entries and make them more useful. |
| 16:34.41 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 16:35.30 | TyroneFHornigh | Do you have a list of diffs to the 1.7 sources? |
| 16:35.48 | Nidhoggr | not yet... but I can get them. |
| 16:36.47 | TyroneFHornigh | Get them, and then we can add them to the 1.9 source tree, or your friend can add them to the source tree and start helping out with development ;) |
| 16:37.14 | Nidhoggr | did you see the entries? |
| 16:37.26 | Nidhoggr | I have a small sample logfile if you're interested. |
| 16:37.37 | TyroneFHornigh | No, what's the pointer? |
| 16:37.47 | Nidhoggr | let me put it somewhere. |
| 16:38.50 | Nidhoggr | http://secretplace.us/bzflag.log |
| 16:38.52 | Nidhoggr | bbiab |
| 16:40.05 | larsl | Nidhoggr: I like it. |
| 16:40.26 | larsl | The dates could be more readable though. =) |
| 16:40.31 | Nidhoggr | I agree |
| 16:41.05 | TyroneFHornigh | It's easy enough to write a perl/python/* script which creates any report style you want. |
| 16:41.22 | Nidhoggr | that was the point |
| 16:41.34 | larsl | What are the - - - - - - - in the message lines? |
| 16:42.21 | Nidhoggr | not certain. I'll have to get him to answer some questions. |
| 16:42.29 | Nidhoggr | he's stil alseep, methinks. |
| 16:42.41 | TyroneFHornigh | They look like fields which are unused for the entry. |
| 16:42.47 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 16:42.49 | larsl | And did he rip out the DEBUG* macros, or just redefine them? |
| 16:42.51 | Nidhoggr | probably. |
| 16:42.56 | Nidhoggr | not sure. |
| 16:43.26 | Nidhoggr | brb. gotta help a customer. |
| 16:46.16 | *** join/#bzflag [dmp] (~dennis@D40A3023.rev.stofanet.dk) |
| 16:49.17 | Nidhoggr | well, I'm happy you like the idea anyways. he has to apply the changes to a 1.9.x server anyway, so any input would be considered. |
| 16:49.36 | Nidhoggr | he's also writing a bunch of parsing tools in perl for me. |
| 16:49.36 | larsl | A patch on SF would be nice. =) |
| 16:49.43 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 16:49.59 | Nidhoggr | I can problably get him in here. |
| 16:50.06 | Nidhoggr | once he shows up on my irc server. |
| 16:50.08 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 16:51.19 | TyroneFHornigh | We can also put the perl parsing tools into the tree. It sounds like the admins could use them. |
| 16:51.44 | Nidhoggr | I think I can get him interested in developing for bzfs. |
| 16:51.49 | Nidhoggr | as a long term thing |
| 16:51.53 | Nidhoggr | he wrote MUSE |
| 16:51.59 | Nidhoggr | which started as tinyMUSE |
| 16:52.04 | Nidhoggr | so he has the experience. |
| 16:53.05 | larsl | What't that? |
| 16:53.22 | Nidhoggr | an offshoot of the MUD/MUCK/MOO family. |
| 16:53.29 | Nidhoggr | well, a predacessor for many |
| 16:53.34 | larsl | Ah, should have guessed. |
| 16:53.37 | Nidhoggr | heh |
| 16:53.44 | Nidhoggr | he develops for the company I work for now |
| 16:53.53 | Nidhoggr | and has been looking for a project to focus some time on. |
| 16:57.14 | Nidhoggr | I got him addicted to bzflag. :) |
| 16:58.44 | Nidhoggr | http://www.shkoo.com/nils/useful/ there are some of the stuff he's done. |
| 16:59.47 | larsl | "Nils"? Scandinavian? |
| 17:00.00 | Nidhoggr | only by genetics |
| 17:00.04 | Nidhoggr | he's from minnestoa |
| 17:00.06 | Nidhoggr | he's from minnestota |
| 17:00.07 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 17:06.37 | larsl | ~bzfquery19 glasstowers.homelinux.net:20000 |
| 17:09.46 | *** join/#bzflag [newbie] (~newbie@rotes225.wohnheim.uni-kl.de) |
| 17:23.52 | *** part/#bzflag [newbie] (~newbie@rotes225.wohnheim.uni-kl.de) |
| 17:26.57 | Nidhoggr | he's going to work on 1.9.x stuff. is anon cvs up to date ? |
| 17:27.35 | Patlabor221 | probably not |
| 17:27.45 | TyroneFHornigh | It's about 24 hrs behind. He's better off with the cvs snapshots. |
| 17:28.37 | Nidhoggr | who's doing the snapshots? |
| 17:28.43 | Nidhoggr | and is there a URL? |
| 17:28.44 | Nidhoggr | ;) |
| 17:29.04 | TyroneFHornigh | cap'n set it on auto, and it's in the topic, right there when you logged in. ;) |
| 17:29.19 | TyroneFHornigh | pat, did you watch the new matrix trailer? |
| 17:29.42 | Nidhoggr | I never log in. I stay here all the time. :) |
| 17:30.52 | Nidhoggr | got it. :) thanks. |
| 17:40.43 | Patlabor221 | I have been atempting to get it |
| 17:40.49 | Patlabor221 | it is not liking me |
| 17:41.21 | Patlabor221 | so instead, I update the blog :) |
| 17:41.37 | larsl | Patlabor221: The direct link http://progressive.warnerbros.com/thematrix/us/med/rev_theatre_0x3839_640_dl.mov works for me. |
| 17:42.01 | larsl | And is even reasonably fast. |
| 17:42.19 | Patlabor221 | that's what I was using, it would just get reset |
| 17:43.58 | TyroneFHornigh | I grabbed the high res version. |
| 17:44.18 | TyroneFHornigh | Would you like me to put it somewhere? |
| 17:45.07 | Patlabor221 | it says it will be here in 5:48 seconds |
| 17:45.50 | TyroneFHornigh | If it gets reset again, let me know and I'll ftp it to asgard. |
| 17:47.16 | Patlabor221 | k |
| 17:47.22 | Patlabor221 | it's 46% now |
| 17:47.30 | Patlabor221 | so hopefully it will go well |
| 17:59.52 | Patlabor221 | yeah not too bad |
| 18:12.43 | *** join/#bzflag Spiff (~Spiff@12-223-213-142.client.insightbb.com) |
| 18:20.24 | Nidhoggr | patlabor... on he admin functions, how can I make it so that anyone can do a /showgroup "callsign" ? |
| 18:21.29 | Nidhoggr | someone was impersonating me on secretplace, so I want to put a note in -admsg to have them check to see if the person is really admin. |
| 18:26.20 | Bagheera | was that last night with Infinity? |
| 18:26.38 | Nidhoggr | no.. infinity drew the map on dragon.org. |
| 18:26.43 | Nidhoggr | I haven't checked that log |
| 18:26.50 | Nidhoggr | someone was pretending to be me. |
| 18:26.55 | Nidhoggr | but spelled my callsign wrong. |
| 18:26.59 | Nidhoggr | was harrassing users. |
| 18:27.10 | Spiff | Pffff. How lovely. |
| 18:27.24 | larsl | How do I signal an error in a constructor if I can't throw things up to the caller? |
| 18:27.24 | TyroneFHornigh | Everyone wants to be nid now. ;) |
| 18:27.30 | Spiff | Could it be... *looks around*... KnightMare? |
| 18:27.31 | Spiff | LoL |
| 18:27.41 | Spiff | He seems to be the resident trouble maker now. |
| 18:27.42 | Nidhoggr | no it's was DONT MESS |
| 18:27.58 | Spiff | LoL Nidhoggr |
| 18:28.18 | TyroneFHornigh | killer mouse is also causing trouble around the sites recently. |
| 18:29.00 | Spiff | Ever have any trouble with d:oP? |
| 18:29.12 | Nidhoggr | very minor stuff. |
| 18:29.16 | Nidhoggr | sometimes he likes to swear |
| 18:29.40 | *** join/#bzflag bryjen (~bryjen@63.147.94.145) |
| 18:29.44 | Bagheera | not really, but then again you never know if it is really him |
| 18:30.13 | Bagheera | is there a way to tell if the callsign of a player is registered or not?..........to tell if that player is really that player? |
| 18:30.23 | *** join/#bzflag Big_Barrel (~chatzilla@adsl-64-219-214-108.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) |
| 18:30.47 | Big_Barrel | ~ducati6 |
| 18:31.01 | Big_Barrel | ~whois Big_Barrel |
| 18:31.02 | | you are probably a dude without a life |
| 18:31.12 | Nidhoggr | maybe registered players should have a certain amount of time to /identify or get booted. |
| 18:31.15 | Bagheera | hahahahahaha |
| 18:31.23 | bryjen | if you do /lagstats there's an (R) by their name if they've registered and identified |
| 18:31.32 | Bagheera | nid, like that idea |
| 18:31.46 | Bagheera | thnx, brygen |
| 18:31.53 | Bagheera | n bryjen |
| 18:31.54 | larsl | Or maybe they shouldn't be allowed to spawn until they had identified. |
| 18:32.01 | larsl | That would require some protocol changes though. |
| 18:32.25 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 18:32.29 | bryjen | with each server having its own registrations, that doesn't prove they are who you think they are |
| 18:33.01 | Bagheera | yeah, but for the servers you care about, it could at least protect your name a little bit |
| 18:33.09 | larsl | Most people stick to a couple of servers. |
| 18:33.37 | larsl | And with the new user/group system that we talked about yesterday most users would be registered on a global server. |
| 18:33.48 | Nidhoggr | unfortunately, if they join as a @, they don't show up in lagstats. |
| 18:33.56 | TyroneFHornigh | I don't like the idea of having to identify all the time. Last night I was switching between red and green, and it would be annoying to identify each time. |
| 18:33.57 | Spiff | If they've logged in.. yes. |
| 18:34.14 | Spiff | There is an (R) next to their callsign in the /lagstats if they've logged in. |
| 18:34.25 | Big_Barrel | ~whois Big_Barrel |
| 18:34.26 | | somebody said big_barrel was the most badass mofo around here |
| 18:34.34 | bryjen | spiff: that's what i said. |
| 18:34.36 | Big_Barrel | you got that right ibot :) |
| 18:34.42 | Spiff | d:oP used to be a bit of a trouble maker on Turkey. |
| 18:34.46 | Spiff | So I was curious. |
| 18:34.59 | Bagheera | suppose you could have a little queue of ips, keeps your name and ip for 30 minutes to prevent re-logging in |
| 18:35.02 | Big_Barrel | ~whois big barrel |
| 18:35.04 | | well, big barrel is the best player in this adictive game |
| 18:35.14 | Big_Barrel | damn straight ibot ;) |
| 18:35.14 | Nidhoggr | hrm. I didn't show up in /lagstats after /identifying |
| 18:35.18 | Nidhoggr | cuz I was @ |
| 18:35.35 | bryjen | or make it so you can switch teams and to/from observe without reconnecting |
| 18:35.41 | Big_Barrel | hey spiff |
| 18:35.44 | Bagheera | looks like ibot has been at the sauce again........and not sharing |
| 18:35.57 | Nidhoggr | bryjen.. can't do that with bzadmin :) |
| 18:36.11 | bryjen | Nidhoggr: picky picky |
| 18:36.41 | Big_Barrel | ~whois spiff |
| 18:36.42 | | somebody said spiff was a big lagger and is a newbie who is not that good!!! IEEEEEE! |
| 18:36.52 | Big_Barrel | lmao |
| 18:37.03 | bryjen | s/somebody/Big_Barrel ? |
| 18:37.10 | Big_Barrel | you and i make a great team ibot :) |
| 18:37.20 | TyroneFHornigh | ibot: no, spiff is a young player who is about to move to NC |
| 18:37.21 | | TyroneFHornigh: okay |
| 18:37.57 | Nidhoggr | maybe have lagstats show the @ players anyway, but with no lagstats after their name. |
| 18:38.00 | Big_Barrel | ~whois spiff? |
| 18:38.01 | | i heard spiff is a big lagger and is a newbie who is not that good!!! IEEEEEE! |
| 18:38.03 | Bagheera | .....hope's spiff likes hurricanes |
| 18:39.17 | Big_Barrel | ~whois Bagheera |
| 18:39.18 | | extra, extra, read all about it, bagheera is a big gay tiger |
| 18:39.25 | bryjen | Nidhoggr: isn't there a /showgroups or /showuser that would show if a users was a member of the registered group? |
| 18:39.43 | Nidhoggr | yes, brygen, but it's not a default permission |
| 18:40.00 | bryjen | Nidhoggr: but you are Admin, no? |
| 18:40.05 | Nidhoggr | so only an admin can do the /showgroups command |
| 18:40.09 | Nidhoggr | ummm. |
| 18:40.16 | Nidhoggr | you aren't reading what the problem was. |
| 18:40.17 | Nidhoggr | is |
| 18:40.19 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 18:40.27 | Nidhoggr | user was pretending to be me |
| 18:40.33 | Nidhoggr | harrassing players |
| 18:40.48 | bryjen | Ah. i must've missed the initial question |
| 18:40.49 | Nidhoggr | I need for players to be able to tell if someone is really an admin or not. |
| 18:41.14 | Spiff | Yeah. Though.. if someone were a real jerk.. they'd just go in ahead of you and register your callsign. |
| 18:41.30 | bryjen | even the /lagstats (R) doesn't do that. they could be registered and not admin. |
| 18:41.33 | Nidhoggr | spiff, they'd still have to have admin permissions. |
| 18:41.41 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 18:43.04 | Bagheera | getting closer and closer to that central registry.... |
| 18:43.06 | Nidhoggr | maybe write a bot that will see an !admin command in the logs, and join to report any admins present to the whole group. |
| 18:43.11 | TyroneFHornigh | ~whois spiff |
| 18:43.11 | | [spiff] a big lagger and is a newbie who is not that good!!! IEEEEEE! |
| 18:43.27 | bryjen | ~literal whois spiff |
| 18:43.28 | | spiff is a big lagger and is a newbie who is not that good!!! IEEEEEE! |
| 18:43.52 | bryjen | ~forget whois spiff |
| 18:43.52 | | i forgot whois spiff, bryjen |
| 18:44.15 | bryjen | ibot: hello? |
| 18:44.32 | bryjen | argle |
| 18:44.51 | Bagheera | does the forgot work for all users or just Ops |
| 18:45.05 | tvon | ~whois daddy |
| 18:45.06 | | daddy is probably copperd |
| 18:45.48 | bryjen | anybody i think. but if you ask her to forget too many things, she tells you to stop abusing "forget", and the stops listening to you. |
| 18:45.57 | Bagheera | ~forget whois Bagheera |
| 18:45.57 | | Bagheera: i didn't have anything called 'whois bagheera' |
| 18:46.05 | Bagheera | ~forget whois bagheera |
| 18:46.05 | | Bagheera: i didn't have anything called 'whois bagheera' |
| 18:46.08 | bryjen | ~seen TimRiker |
| 18:46.45 | Bagheera | oh well, so long as it is gone.......gotta enough bad press with the changes to Xmission |
| 18:46.59 | bryjen | blah. apparently i'm persona non grata again. |
| 18:47.26 | Bagheera | ~botsnack |
| 18:47.26 | | :), Bagheera |
| 18:47.48 | Bagheera | yep, looks like you are.... |
| 18:48.20 | larsl | Bagheera: I'm beginning to like the new xmission map. It requires careful aiming when you're jumping to the base. |
| 18:49.12 | bryjen | ~spiff |
| 18:49.34 | Spiff | ~got milk? |
| 18:49.35 | | ACTION chugs down a carton |
| 18:49.40 | Spiff | ~got milk |
| 18:49.41 | | ACTION chugs down a carton |
| 18:49.46 | Spiff | Bah! |
| 18:49.49 | Bagheera | take a look at the Koba map listed deep in the list, that was going to be my update to that map.... |
| 18:49.58 | Spiff | ~whois Bagheera |
| 18:49.59 | | hmm... bagheera is a big gay tiger |
| 18:50.02 | TimRiker | ~ignore |
| 18:50.02 | | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:50.02 | | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:50.02 | | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:50.02 | | END of ignore. |
| 18:50.10 | Spiff | ~whois Spiff |
| 18:50.12 | | rumour has it, spiff is a big lagger and is a newbie who is not that good!!! IEEEEEE! |
| 18:50.18 | TimRiker | ~-ignore bryjen!~bryjen@63.147.94.* |
| 18:50.18 | | ok, deleted X ignores. |
| 18:50.21 | Spiff | Hmmm. Is ibot broken? |
| 18:50.33 | Spiff | ibot sucks! |
| 18:50.34 | | If you got $5 I'll do more than that! |
| 18:50.46 | Spiff | err sux0rz. |
| 18:50.49 | tvon | someon took the time to code that in.. |
| 18:50.57 | tvon | sick twists |
| 18:51.02 | TyroneFHornigh | ibot seems to have problems forgetting facts right now |
| 18:51.03 | | TyroneFHornigh: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 18:51.04 | TimRiker | ~literal sucks |
| 18:51.05 | | sucks is <reply> If you got $5 I'll do more than that! |
| 18:51.14 | TyroneFHornigh | ~literal whois bagheera |
| 18:51.15 | | bagheera is a big gay tiger |
| 18:51.21 | tvon | haha |
| 18:51.23 | TyroneFHornigh | ~forget whois bagheera |
| 18:51.23 | | i didn't have anything called 'whois bagheera', TyroneFHornigh |
| 18:51.35 | TyroneFHornigh | ~listkeys whois |
| 18:51.36 | TimRiker | ~literal Bagheera |
| 18:51.38 | | bagheera is a big gay tiger |
| 18:51.43 | tvon | Oh my god, I saw a show on TLC ...or Discovery...about people who think they are cats |
| 18:51.59 | tvon | was nuts |
| 18:52.15 | TimRiker | ~forget Bagheera |
| 18:52.15 | | TimRiker: i forgot bagheera |
| 18:52.16 | tvon | guy wore a cat suit and would go around and try to get people to rub his belly and stuff |
| 18:52.20 | TimRiker | ~literal Bagheera |
| 18:52.38 | tvon | ~whois tvon |
| 18:52.50 | bryjen | i don't think i'd asked her to forget anything since TimRiker un-ignored me last time.... |
| 18:53.39 | bryjen | ibot: Hello? |
| 18:53.40 | | Howdy Bub |
| 18:55.04 | TimRiker | 18:43.52 <bryjen/#bzflag> ~forget whois spiff |
| 18:55.04 | TimRiker | 18:43.52 >bryjen< Stop abusing forget! |
| 18:55.04 | TimRiker | 18:43.52 ignore: Added bryjen!~bryjen@63.147.94.* for * to expire 1080153832 mins, by bryjen, for abuse of forget |
| 18:55.42 | bryjen | yeah, just that one and i was ignored again. is there a use counter that needs to be reset? |
| 18:56.51 | bryjen | or is that a hint that i shouldnt be using forget? |
| 18:57.13 | tvon | heh |
| 18:58.26 | captain_proton | thats a long time |
| 18:58.57 | larsl | It looks more like a UNIX timestamp. |
| 18:58.59 | bryjen | a count of minutes or a unix-time ? |
| 18:59.12 | bryjen | its certainly a big count |
| 18:59.15 | tvon | 18002563 hours |
| 18:59.32 | tvon | 2055 years |
| 19:00.11 | tvon | ibot is onery |
| 19:00.12 | | tvon: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 19:00.20 | tvon | as well as perverted |
| 19:01.02 | tvon | I'd say now but I'm at a coffee shop |
| 19:01.18 | tvon | and bz with an eraser head pointing device doenst work real well |
| 19:01.44 | tvon | Though..... |
| 19:02.15 | tvon | it could work better if it treated the pointing device more like a joystick....meaning, if pushing left turned left, instead of moving the cursor left |
| 19:07.26 | bryjen | $ date -d "Jan 1 00:00:00 UTC 1970 + 1080153832 seconds" |
| 19:07.27 | bryjen | Wed Mar 24 12:43:52 CST 2004 |
| 19:07.29 | bryjen | A six month ignore? |
| 19:08.02 | captain_proton | tvon: hmmmm |
| 19:09.00 | bryjen | i've been running decks as rabbit chase on v1.9 |
| 19:10.05 | Nidhoggr | bagheera made me a cool new map, so i'll be putting it up as a ctf soon :) |
| 19:10.08 | larsl | Imagine playing rabbit hunt with people who never played on decks before, and hide in the secret room when you are the rabbit. =) |
| 19:10.33 | captain_proton | hehehe |
| 19:11.06 | larsl | Preferably with SB so you can shoot them when they drive around the tower. |
| 19:11.09 | tvon | pfft |
| 19:11.12 | tvon | cowards |
| 19:11.46 | bryjen | hmm. need a SW world weapon in there then.... |
| 19:11.46 | tvon | its one of them things thats best with a lot of people |
| 19:11.59 | tvon | flags or no |
| 19:12.19 | larsl | World weapon? |
| 19:12.42 | captain_proton | larsl: the world can shoot things now :) |
| 19:13.03 | larsl | Didn't know that. I like it. |
| 19:13.26 | bryjen | weapon |
| 19:13.28 | bryjen | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:13.29 | bryjen | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:13.31 | bryjen | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:13.32 | bryjen | end |
| 19:13.33 | bryjen | in the world file |
| 19:13.44 | larsl | That is incredibly cool. |
| 19:13.57 | larsl | Do you specify the direction for bullet-type weapons? |
| 19:14.11 | TimRiker | bryjen: looks like I removed the ignore flag, but ibot still "knows" about the other forgets so it will add you again on the next forget. |
| 19:14.26 | bryjen | larsl: with rotation, i think |
| 19:14.37 | larsl | Very nice. |
| 19:15.06 | larsl | Could that be triggered by an admin command, instead of just looping? |
| 19:15.54 | bryjen | TimRiker: i figured as much. sorry for being a pest. |
| 19:16.22 | Bagheera | kofta pilaf? |
| 19:16.42 | captain_proton | kofta = balls of vegetable matter |
| 19:16.45 | captain_proton | pilaf = rice dish |
| 19:17.20 | Bagheera | actually sounds good...... |
| 19:18.48 | bryjen | errr. "of ___ matter" sounds a little too vague to be trusted |
| 19:19.05 | larsl | ~dict vegetable |
| 19:19.22 | tvon | mmmm, pilaf |
| 19:22.04 | Bagheera | vague is about the only thing I trust.....when its know there is a problem.......... |
| 19:22.14 | Bagheera | s/known/know |
| 19:24.55 | captain_proton | ok, looks like kofta is usually made by forming balls out of a gourd and frying them |
| 19:25.04 | captain_proton | though there's a lot of variability in ingredients |
| 19:26.23 | TimRiker | should have been a 3 day ignore. off by a factor of 60. fixing... |
| 19:27.21 | Nidhoggr | oops :) |
| 19:27.29 | TimRiker | ibot: reload |
| 19:27.29 | | reloading... |
| 19:27.29 | | reloaded. |
| 19:30.30 | *** join/#bzflag jolly (~k@jvnineteen.ne.client2.attbi.com) |
| 19:36.58 | captain_proton | doodeedoo |
| 19:37.48 | TimRiker | bryjen: I can't find anywhere that removes forget caches. likely a bug. |
| 19:39.44 | larsl | Are private messages to other people being echoed back to the sender now? |
| 19:42.20 | TimRiker | larsl: in what? bzfs? don't know. should they be? |
| 19:43.32 | larsl | It doesn't really matter (although we save a couple of code lines in bzflag and bzadmin if they are). I was just confused, because it seems to have changed a couple of times since 1.7. |
| 19:45.30 | TimRiker | as long as they are not sent to anyone else, I guess I don't care a lot either way. |
| 19:45.59 | Chestal | larsl: they are |
| 19:46.02 | TimRiker | if they are echoed to the sender, that's bandwidth that's not needed, but then it does make the clients easier. |
| 19:46.12 | TimRiker | and it gives you a sense of lag too. ;-) |
| 19:46.25 | Chestal | 1.7 sent them to everyone |
| 19:46.41 | Chestal | then soemoen changed that to a unicast, but then it wasn't echoed on the sender side anymore |
| 19:46.51 | Chestal | so now bzfs sends priv messages to sender and receiver |
| 19:46.54 | larsl | OK. |
| 19:49.49 | fiberchunks | hi hi, does xmission employ the badwords filter? |
| 19:50.20 | *** join/#bzflag Patlabor221 (~JeffM@208.48.199.216) |
| 19:50.21 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o Patlabor221] by ChanServ |
| 19:50.22 | fiberchunks | cause it seems that f u c k gets through the filter |
| 19:50.30 | fiberchunks | or, it was when I was just playing |
| 19:50.40 | Nidhoggr | was it by a user called "bot"? |
| 19:50.46 | fiberchunks | indeed |
| 19:50.54 | Nidhoggr | I just banned it about an hour ago. :( |
| 19:50.59 | Nidhoggr | it's in japan |
| 19:51.02 | fiberchunks | yup |
| 19:51.24 | fiberchunks | oh well, just thought I'd let you all know -- off for more reading |
| 19:51.40 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 19:52.33 | CIA | 03larsl * 12bzflag/src/bzadmin (4 files): Refactoring; make bzadmin more OO-like |
| 19:55.54 | TyroneFHornigh | What's a good inexpensive video card which does reasonable hardware acceleration for bzflag? I'm looking to do some performance comparisons between linux and mac. |
| 19:56.32 | Patlabor221 | you should be able to find a GF2MX for under 40$ |
| 19:57.23 | TyroneFHornigh | How are the nvidia drivers, and support for BSD as well as Linux? |
| 19:58.24 | captain_proton | nvidia drivers for linux are quite solid, and they've got freebsd drivers, though I haven't tried them |
| 19:58.25 | Patlabor221 | I've never used them on BSD, but they worked great on redhat and debian |
| 19:58.55 | Patlabor221 | they show a set of freeBSD drivers on there page |
| 19:58.58 | Patlabor221 | http://www.nvidia.com/content/drivers/drivers.asp |
| 20:01.28 | Patlabor221 | cus basicly your choices are them, ATI, or matrox |
| 20:01.48 | TyroneFHornigh | What drivers does the geforce use? I don't see them on the DRI pages. |
| 20:02.01 | captain_proton | TyroneFHornigh: they use nvidia's binary drivers |
| 20:02.09 | Patlabor221 | on that page I just sent you |
| 20:02.20 | TyroneFHornigh | Sorry, I'm trying to read all this as fast as I can. ;) |
| 20:02.30 | Patlabor221 | hence the fact that they work rather well :) |
| 20:02.31 | captain_proton | you're not reading hard enough! |
| 20:03.19 | TyroneFHornigh | Give these old eyes a break, it's only a 12" iBook. :) |
| 20:03.26 | Patlabor221 | those nvidia drivers are for all there chipsets from TNT to GeForce FX |
| 20:04.46 | Patlabor221 | and is this for a PC running linux/bsd or your mac running linux/bsd? |
| 20:05.19 | TyroneFHornigh | I was looking at a cheap PC running linux for testing, and then switching it to bsd for server use. |
| 20:05.19 | *** join/#bzflag mmu_man (~revol@ALyon-209-1-15-192.w81-49.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 20:05.39 | Patlabor221 | well we have a 64 meg GF2MX for like $35 |
| 20:05.40 | Patlabor221 | http://www.rgpsales.com/RGPmedia/details.asp?item=AO10400%2D64 |
| 20:05.52 | TyroneFHornigh | Something like a 1GH celeron |
| 20:06.25 | scanline | GH? |
| 20:06.37 | Patlabor221 | can problaby get a durron or an XP for cheat |
| 20:06.54 | TyroneFHornigh | I wasn't planning on creating a "cheat" for this one ;) |
| 20:06.58 | Patlabor221 | cheap |
| 20:07.46 | captain_proton | scanline: GibiHertz |
| 20:07.59 | Patlabor221 | meh, a gig celly is about the same as a gig durron |
| 20:08.02 | scanline | captain_proton: :) |
| 20:08.26 | Patlabor221 | an XP 1700 is only $45 |
| 20:09.49 | TyroneFHornigh | It's just running around the back of my mind right now. My 3 PC's are getting quite old, and I'll be replacing the 486-66 in the next year anyway. I'm just thinking about what projects I want to undertake with a new one. |
| 20:10.33 | Patlabor221 | heh I should just send you the husks I have laying around, problaby some PIII's in there somewhere |
| 20:10.57 | TyroneFHornigh | Any of those would be faster than all 3 of mine combined ;) |
| 20:11.09 | Patlabor221 | heh |
| 20:11.37 | mmu_man | re |
| 20:23.59 | *** join/#bzflag sn0w_m0nkey (~sn0w_m0nk@photon.health.unm.edu) |
| 20:24.37 | sn0w_m0nkey | mornin |
| 20:25.38 | TyroneFHornigh | afternoon |
| 20:29.05 | *** join/#bzflag [newbie] (~newbie@rotes225.wohnheim.uni-kl.de) |
| 20:29.20 | *** join/#bzflag Spiff (~Spiff@12-223-213-142.client.insightbb.com) |
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| 20:58.34 | TyroneFHornigh | It's friday afternoon. People are being far too serious or quiet around here. |
| 21:00.13 | TyroneFHornigh | ~seen learner |
| 21:00.13 | | learner <sean@chr160dhcp1675.chrchv01.md.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 16h 23m 59s ago, saying: 'indeed'. |
| 21:00.22 | TyroneFHornigh | ~seen brlcad |
| 21:00.22 | | brlcad <sean@chr160dhcp1675.chrchv01.md.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 5h 14m ago, saying: 'be back soon -- lunchtime'. |
| 21:01.02 | TyroneFHornigh | There's the problem, learner is out of the channel. The silliness factor is too low. ;) |
| 21:04.05 | bryjen | 5 hours? that's a long lunch. |
| 21:04.46 | TyroneFHornigh | I just received an email from learner. Pardon the minor flood. |
| 21:04.50 | TyroneFHornigh | The connection to my isp went down today in the neighborhood. They tell |
| 21:04.50 | TyroneFHornigh | me that it might not be back up until probably Thursday.. Arg. And, of |
| 21:04.50 | TyroneFHornigh | course, irc is blocked from work directly, so I'll be disconnected for a |
| 21:04.50 | TyroneFHornigh | few days. I'm going to see what I can get set up in the meanwhile. |
| 21:05.32 | bryjen | that explains why both his nicks are @ the same host |
| 21:05.54 | Tupone | pwd |
| 21:06.19 | bryjen | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:06.35 | Tupone | No /home/Tupone/bzflag |
| 21:08.00 | bryjen | hmm |
| 21:10.02 | Tupone | anybody has played with 1.9 recently? |
| 21:10.38 | bryjen | played a game, or changed the code ? |
| 21:10.49 | Tupone | Played a game. |
| 21:11.02 | Tupone | Nobody is killed now! |
| 21:11.15 | bryjen | Eep. |
| 21:11.15 | Tupone | At least with bot |
| 21:11.15 | TyroneFHornigh | I usually try it once every evening after updating the code. I haven't seen too many people on since Wednesday. |
| 21:11.19 | *** join/#bzflag brlcad (~sean@barley.cs.jhu.edu) |
| 21:11.32 | brlcad | Grrr |
| 21:11.49 | bryjen | growling grain! |
| 21:12.02 | brlcad | yes |
| 21:12.08 | brlcad | yeay.. people :) |
| 21:12.17 | TyroneFHornigh | I just forwarded a bit of your email to this group. |
| 21:12.33 | brlcad | I finally found a way to proxy in at least from work |
| 21:12.41 | brlcad | cheesy irc client, though |
| 21:13.14 | brlcad | Damn my isp |
| 21:13.40 | Nidhoggr | does work block ssh? |
| 21:14.26 | TimRiker | Nidhoggr: here they do. |
| 21:14.34 | Nidhoggr | bummer |
| 21:14.39 | brlcad | Yes they do here too |
| 21:14.50 | Nidhoggr | our company tech dept is rather small, so I can get any port I want opened. |
| 21:14.56 | TimRiker | however, http proxy ssh works ok. ;-) |
| 21:15.11 | bryjen | Ack. Bots don't die. At least they don't kill me either. |
| 21:15.14 | Nidhoggr | in fact, we opened 5155 to sectretplace. :) |
| 21:15.19 | brlcad | As does other connections from other hosts of mine (such as the present) |
| 21:15.28 | brlcad | fortunately 6666 was unblocked and calvino responded |
| 21:15.40 | Nidhoggr | that's good. |
| 21:15.57 | Nidhoggr | one good thing about running my own IRC server, I can set up different ports on the fly. |
| 21:15.59 | Tupone | bryen: can we play together to see if human die |
| 21:16.12 | bryjen | Tupone: which server? |
| 21:16.21 | Tupone | pick one |
| 21:16.29 | TyroneFHornigh | I would suggest something other than brlcad. ;) |
| 21:16.36 | brlcad | heh |
| 21:16.36 | bryjen | ducati |
| 21:16.49 | Nidhoggr | I should stick up the dragon CTF map that bagheera made for me. |
| 21:16.50 | TyroneFHornigh | The high gravity choice ;) |
| 21:16.52 | Nidhoggr | it's way cool. |
| 21:17.51 | brlcad | I don't want to go home now ... it'll be so .. isolated |
| 21:18.26 | TyroneFHornigh | dialin is available, although slow. |
| 21:18.50 | brlcad | that won't work for me either .. |
| 21:19.10 | bryjen | shot messages not getting sent or relayed ? |
| 21:19.11 | brlcad | I dropped land-line phone service years ago |
| 21:19.37 | Tupone | bryjen: those site have been regenerated? |
| 21:20.00 | brlcad | I could get that pcmcia uplink for my cell, though, and plug that into the laptop.. hrm |
| 21:20.06 | bryjen | i don't know if ducati updates automatically |
| 21:20.26 | brlcad | I don't think ducati does |
| 21:20.35 | bryjen | xmission might |
| 21:20.42 | brlcad | just Tim's and *sigh* mine |
| 21:20.56 | bryjen | try xmission ? |
| 21:21.00 | Tupone | larsl seems to have changed something on bzfs recently. I should try with prev version |
| 21:21.03 | Tupone | Yeah |
| 21:28.19 | Tupone | bryjen: I think is Pack.cxx. Just a guess |
| 21:30.14 | brlcad | I wasn't even aware that there is a development/test freenode network up on port 9001 till I went port hunting.. (or even that 6666 would work) |
| 21:30.30 | brlcad | I joined #bzflag and had op :) |
| 21:30.35 | brlcad | but I was all alone :( |
| 21:31.03 | brlcad | the network had all of 15 people on it |
| 21:32.05 | Nidhoggr | if you joined #bzflag on irc.dragon.org, you'd be op, too. :) |
| 21:32.17 | Nidhoggr | actually, I should use that as a chat channel for our servers. |
| 21:32.53 | *** join/#bzflag mmu_man (~revol@ALyon-209-1-15-192.w81-49.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 21:33.09 | Tupone | bryjen: _is_ Pack.cxx |
| 21:33.38 | brlcad | would someone update the topic and remove the last one about the filter.. this client's buffer isn't big enough.. |
| 21:34.19 | larsl | Tupone: What about Pack.cxx? |
| 21:34.42 | Tupone | what happens is that nobody is killed. If I take the previous version all is ok |
| 21:35.00 | larsl | Hum. |
| 21:35.23 | larsl | I only changed the unpacking of text messages. |
| 21:35.43 | Tupone | could be its used for shot ? |
| 21:36.05 | *** part/#bzflag drinian (~drinian@pcp153139pcs.hamntn01.nj.comcast.net) |
| 21:37.24 | larsl | I don't see why they would be. |
| 21:38.10 | Tupone | What I saw is that if we play with new client and server we didn't see other shots |
| 21:38.30 | Tupone | If we play with new client and old server, we see shot but no kill |
| 21:40.05 | *** join/#bzflag BugsPray (~cfa61325@p50912A95.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 21:41.11 | BugsPray | hello |
| 21:41.23 | Tupone | larsl: could be the PingPacket? |
| 21:41.29 | BugsPray | nope it's not |
| 21:41.52 | BugsPray | :P |
| 21:42.59 | BugsPray | so what's new? |
| 21:43.23 | Patlabor221 | chickens |
| 21:43.29 | BugsPray | wow |
| 21:43.33 | BugsPray | i was thinking the same thing |
| 21:43.40 | DTRemenak|work | chickens in BZFlag? sounds like fun |
| 21:43.44 | Patlabor221 | I'm sure you were |
| 21:43.49 | BugsPray | seriously |
| 21:43.50 | BugsPray | i was |
| 21:43.55 | brlcad | as long as the chickens can shoot back :) |
| 21:44.03 | BugsPray | chickens dont have hands |
| 21:44.12 | Patlabor221 | how do you know? |
| 21:44.13 | BugsPray | or tanks for that matter... |
| 21:44.15 | TyroneFHornigh | Should they just be randomly running around the field, and getting run down with feathers flying everywhere? |
| 21:44.23 | brlcad | two words.. "lethal beakage" :) |
| 21:44.40 | BugsPray | since when have chicken beaks ever been able to penetrate the armor of a tank |
| 21:44.52 | DTRemenak|work | since tanks could jump |
| 21:44.53 | TyroneFHornigh | We could have them being thrown into the engines and stalling the tanks. ;) |
| 21:45.22 | TyroneFHornigh | Frozen chickens have been known to penetrate aircraft windshields. |
| 21:45.27 | BugsPray | what if it has an anti-chicken engine? |
| 21:45.33 | brlcad | you don't want to get a beak stuck in your treading.. could immobilize you (titanium coated beaks) :) |
| 21:45.53 | DTRemenak|work | maybe they're suicide-bombing chickens |
| 21:46.01 | BugsPray | remind me in my next life not to be a frozen flying chicken living at an airport |
| 21:46.10 | TyroneFHornigh | I'm not sure all graphics cards support hardware accelerated feathers. |
| 21:46.29 | DTRemenak|work | we can have drumsticks for the ones that don't |
| 21:46.33 | brlcad | they could be "special" chickens that live off of a diet of c4 and detonators.. don't wanna go kicking those suckers.. |
| 21:47.23 | brlcad | .. or running them over with a tank.. *boom* |
| 21:47.34 | DTRemenak|work | only if you have steamroller :) |
| 21:47.51 | TyroneFHornigh | It would still give you a bumpy ride. |
| 21:48.08 | TyroneFHornigh | or maybe that's how you get tanks to jump ;) |
| 21:48.32 | TyroneFHornigh | ~slap BugsPray |
| 21:48.37 | | ACTION slaps BugsPray, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 21:48.38 | brlcad | ~whaleslap BugsPray |
| 21:48.39 | | ibot slaps BugsPray upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
| 21:48.49 | CIA | 03larsl * 12bzflag/src (2 files in 2 dirs): Add \0 to messages at another place where it can't possibly interfere with shots and kills |
| 21:48.53 | BugsPray | *sniff* |
| 21:48.59 | BugsPray | im gettin picked on :;( |
| 21:49.05 | Patlabor221 | you'll live |
| 21:49.11 | BugsPray | i dunno |
| 21:49.14 | DTRemenak|work | get used to it :) |
| 21:49.16 | Patlabor221 | I do |
| 21:49.47 | BugsPray | that whale may have given me an STD |
| 21:50.10 | Patlabor221 | maybe so, but that's a personal problem. |
| 21:50.21 | BugsPray | i didnt concent |
| 21:50.37 | brlcad | you were already infected with the fatal MS virus, no need to worry any more than you should already be worrying |
| 21:50.41 | TyroneFHornigh | We're tolerant of your personal lifestyle around here. Go deal with it yourself. |
| 21:50.59 | BugsPray | libbies... |
| 21:51.00 | Patlabor221 | and this is just text, so what ever you did with a whale is your own biz. |
| 21:51.15 | BugsPray | pics or it didnt happen? |
| 21:51.17 | BugsPray | i got some.. |
| 21:51.25 | DTRemenak|work | maybe it's what he was doing with the text |
| 21:51.25 | TyroneFHornigh | pat, I have a graphical irc client. |
| 21:51.43 | Patlabor221 | so it showed the whale? |
| 21:52.05 | DTRemenak|work | hm, that could be a cool hack....graphical whaleslaps |
| 21:52.31 | BugsPray | not if what happens to me happens to everyone getting whaleslapped |
| 21:52.32 | brlcad | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:52.51 | TyroneFHornigh | Luckily it's still rated pg, so anything more that happened was provided. ;) |
| 21:53.06 | Tupone | what shoud be happen teleporting with burrow? |
| 21:53.21 | BugsPray | maybe grammar check |
| 21:54.39 | BugsPray | bye bye |
| 21:55.00 | Patlabor221 | ahh the things he will try |
| 21:56.33 | purple_cow | doodeedoo |
| 21:56.53 | DTRemenak|work | deedah |
| 21:57.11 | brlcad | no, doobee? |
| 21:57.25 | DTRemenak|work | quux! |
| 21:57.25 | TyroneFHornigh | Yabba Dabba Doo ;) |
| 22:01.39 | *** join/#bzflag Carnage (strayer@dyn216-8-133-126.ADSL.mnsi.net) |
| 22:01.44 | Carnage | hi |
| 22:02.12 | Nidhoggr | hiya carnage |
| 22:10.14 | *** join/#bzflag david_v (~david_v@c213-200-135-241.cm-upc.chello.se) |
| 22:12.58 | Spiff | Wow.. isn't it a lil' late there, David? :-) |
| 22:14.03 | david_v | slightly :) |
| 22:16.29 | *** join/#bzflag Bagheera (~Bagheera@pool-162-84-18-18.sal.east.verizon.net) |
| 22:16.44 | Bagheera | ~seen Nidhoggr |
| 22:16.45 | | nidhoggr is currently on #bzflag (5d 13h 8m 38s). Has said a total of 479 messages. Is idling for 14m 33s |
| 22:16.45 | brlcad | howdy bags |
| 22:16.55 | Bagheera | hey brlcad |
| 22:18.24 | david_v | does anyone know if Chestal will be reachable at the moment? |
| 22:18.40 | FredFlintstone | ~seen Chestal |
| 22:18.40 | | i haven't seen 'chestal ', FredFlintstone |
| 22:18.56 | FredFlintstone | ~seen Chestal |
| 22:18.56 | | chestal is currently on #bzflag (5d 13h 10m 49s). Has said a total of 528 messages. Is idling for 2h 32m 5s |
| 22:19.17 | FredFlintstone | Try dropping trailing spaces, ibot. |
| 22:19.20 | Bagheera | how did the hurricane turn out JB |
| 22:19.56 | FredFlintstone | It got a little dreary for a day, but the storm turned east and started heading towards Nidhoggr. |
| 22:20.11 | Bagheera | desert rain, eh |
| 22:21.31 | Spiff | Poor Nidhoggr. LoL |
| 22:21.36 | Nidhoggr | ? |
| 22:22.06 | FredFlintstone | Nidhoggr: Did you get anything from the storm this week, or was it pretty much played out by the time it reached you? |
| 22:22.09 | Spiff | JB said that the storm headed for you. |
| 22:22.20 | Nidhoggr | yes, we got 3 days of rain. |
| 22:22.21 | Spiff | Ahhhh. Ic Ic. |
| 22:22.40 | Spiff | I guess I'm just sick of it because I live in Indiana. It starts raining here and we don't see the sun for like four days. LoL |
| 22:22.49 | Nidhoggr | we don't get much rain in phoenix. |
| 22:24.21 | Spiff | I have a couple of friends in Phoenix. Seems like a nice place. |
| 22:24.57 | Carnage | cya guys later |
| 22:25.14 | FredFlintstone | It depends on what your parameters are for nice. My sister lives in Mesa. It's not the place I would want to live. |
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| 22:32.47 | purple_cow | eww |
| 22:34.13 | david_v | do you think Chestal will read a query i sent when he gets back? make a statistical guess please :) |
| 22:34.33 | david_v | or i could just come here tomorrow though (today that is, but after i've slept :) |
| 22:34.54 | FredFlintstone | Put it in memoserv, and he's more likely to see it than if it's in the middle of the log. |
| 22:35.44 | david_v | ah yes |
| 22:35.50 | david_v | doh |
| 22:35.53 | david_v | thanks |
| 22:35.57 | FredFlintstone | np |
| 22:41.11 | Tupone | brlcad: was you that was fighting with -window option |
| 22:49.10 | *** part/#bzflag david_v (~david_v@c213-200-135-241.cm-upc.chello.se) |
| 22:51.10 | brlcad | Here's a thought for the upcoming major release: the website needs to be improved |
| 22:51.51 | brlcad | I'd recommend utilizing existing effort and just polish it up with the updated changes |
| 22:53.07 | brlcad | I'd recommend utilizing Dutchrai's "Shell Shock" interface and integrating it with the bzbb |
| 22:53.42 | brlcad | Thoughts? |
| 22:56.24 | larsl | Integrating with BZBB sounds good. |
| 22:57.45 | brlcad | http://www.shellshock.dutchrai.com |
| 22:58.46 | brlcad | There's a lot of good information and a reasonably organized layout on shell shock already |
| 22:59.25 | brlcad | I'd just change it from "Shell Shock" to just BZFlag or something similar |
| 22:59.48 | larsl | And how would you integrate it with BZBB? |
| 22:59.56 | brlcad | and "The BZ Times" is a little fooish |
| 23:01.34 | brlcad | there's already a "Forums" link on the title bar (albeit a bit out of place there) |
| 23:02.03 | larsl | Yes, I saw that. |
| 23:03.02 | brlcad | The "interactive vote" poll could be integrated so that you actually end up voting for a bzbb poll |
| 23:03.35 | brlcad | site searching should span over to the forums as well |
| 23:04.14 | Nidhoggr | that'd be a good thing |
| 23:06.25 | larsl | Should the BZBB theme be changed to look like the rest? |
| 23:06.38 | *** join/#bzflag |tim| (~Tim@ip68-106-184-191.sb.sd.cox.net) |
| 23:06.44 | Patlabor221 | changing BZBB is not easy |
| 23:07.00 | brlcad | The site appears to be static or perhaps separated by server preprocessor includes, it'd be nice to have it be php based |
| 23:07.29 | brlcad | I wouldn't change the bzbb theme |
| 23:07.49 | Patlabor221 | shellshock updates are few and far between |
| 23:07.50 | brlcad | it's got it's own configurable themes |
| 23:08.15 | brlcad | exactly why I'd ask him if it can be taken over, shoved into cvs and kept up to date |
| 23:08.17 | Patlabor221 | just all the mods we have now have been hand coded into the theme template files. |
| 23:08.33 | brlcad | ouch |
| 23:08.40 | Patlabor221 | it's how they work |
| 23:09.11 | brlcad | that's okay, though, it can just point to it like it does now anyways.. it doesn't have to be coupled |
| 23:10.36 | brlcad | Just about anything would be better than the current bzflag.org; the SS interface is fairly well organized and contains most of the information that is immediately useful to bzflagers |
| 23:10.36 | Patlabor221 | I don't think you can run any databases on the SF server |
| 23:11.18 | brlcad | I'm pretty sure you can't too. Why would we need to? |
| 23:11.30 | Nidhoggr | I'm open to running any other sites/services for the project. |
| 23:11.33 | Patlabor221 | well, you mentioned php baseis |
| 23:11.52 | Patlabor221 | and that is usaly done to store news and stuff in databases |
| 23:12.08 | larsl | Files work too. |
| 23:12.21 | Patlabor221 | true, but does it have write access |
| 23:12.35 | brlcad | doesn't have to, it's good to just use it to templatize the site |
| 23:12.36 | Patlabor221 | the SF servers operate in a very odd mode |
| 23:12.40 | larsl | You can chmod the files, but why would it need it? |
| 23:12.41 | Patlabor221 | ture |
| 23:13.17 | Patlabor221 | the hardest step me and cap had with changing the website was getting Tim to agree to it |
| 23:13.35 | Nidhoggr | there are a lot of ways to build a nice web page from data in tab or comma delimeted files. |
| 23:13.36 | brlcad | Well.. we got the go-ahead for that :) |
| 23:14.16 | Patlabor221 | fist step would be to list all the data that the site should have access to so we can catogorise is |
| 23:14.26 | brlcad | Yes, indeed. |
| 23:14.37 | brlcad | perhaps a mock-up is in order |
| 23:14.55 | Patlabor221 | ohh yes definatly, that is step 2 |
| 23:14.56 | Patlabor221 | http://www.artemisgames.com/bz/logo/ |
| 23:14.58 | brlcad | maybe something for me to play with this weekend while I'm by my connectionless self |
| 23:15.04 | Patlabor221 | that is all the logos I ofitfonaly did |
| 23:15.36 | Patlabor221 | origonaly |
| 23:16.13 | brlcad | not bad |
| 23:16.45 | brlcad | it'd be fun to make it a rotating logo and use many of them :) |
| 23:17.03 | Patlabor221 | like, http://www.artemisgames.com/bzedit/ |
| 23:17.22 | Patlabor221 | each time you go there it uses a difrent logo / color sceme |
| 23:18.43 | brlcad | Hrm.. I keep getting the same.. |
| 23:18.51 | *** join/#bzflag Spiff (~Spiff@12-223-213-142.client.insightbb.com) |
| 23:19.40 | brlcad | But yes.. Organize the whole thing and make it rather simple to keep up to date and store the whole site in cvs so we can all easily get access to it |
| 23:20.26 | brlcad | then just publish the site every night or upon changes, etc |
| 23:35.42 | Patlabor221 | close your browser |
| 23:35.52 | Patlabor221 | it's not on each reload, it's on each new session |
| 23:36.08 | brlcad | ah, cool :) |
| 23:36.28 | Patlabor221 | it's supposed to be so that your entire session is in the same theme |
| 23:36.34 | Patlabor221 | tho a couple pages are busted |
| 23:40.11 | brlcad | Uh oh.. |
| 23:40.35 | brlcad | hrm.. moin.cgi should be protected via robots.txt |
| 23:40.51 | brlcad | I have no idea what that wget just did to the main site.. |
| 23:42.14 | brlcad | hrm.. looks like it didn't do any harm maybe.. still shouldn't allow robots |
| 23:42.17 | CIA | 03atupone * 12bzflag/src/platform (2 files): Allocate XSizeHints with Xlibs call. Seems to fix -window problem on Linux |
| 23:46.05 | larsl | I can run the debug version in a window! |
| 23:47.51 | Tupone | appreciate |
| 23:54.10 | *** join/#bzflag MrApathyCream (~MAC@balt-209-163-100-199.qis-dynamic-dialup.coretel.net) |
| 23:55.11 | MrApathyCream | hey looky! another day without tim :( |
| 23:55.24 | TyroneFHornigh | ~seen TimRiker |
| 23:55.29 | | timriker <~timr@proxyle02.ext.ti.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 2h 40m 33s ago, saying: 'however, http proxy ssh works ok. ;-)'. |
| 23:56.08 | TyroneFHornigh | It seems you're on different schedules. |
| 23:58.41 | MrApathyCream | prhaps |
