| 00:01.20 | TimRiker | publish to the list server(s) but not to the players. |
| 00:02.27 | CIA | 03timriker * 12bzflag/include (Protocol.h): nuke old ping types |
| 00:03.13 | CIA | 03timriker * 12bzflag/ (TODO): ping thoughts, etc |
| 00:08.41 | CIA | 03larsl * 12bzflag/src/net (Ping.cxx): PingCodeOldRequest is gone, don't use it |
| 00:15.24 | larsl | Sleep. |
| 00:16.32 | Spiff | Dinner! Yay! :-D |
| 00:28.26 | *** join/#bzflag Merry (~gig1992@adsl-68-78-109-25.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net) |
| 00:28.36 | Merry | hello |
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| 00:35.25 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o patlabor221] by ChanServ |
| 00:39.28 | fiberchunks | who you killin? |
| 00:39.41 | patlabor221 | IS guy |
| 00:40.02 | patlabor221 | he just unpluged my line and pluged it into an internal router |
| 00:40.38 | patlabor221 | hence defeating the entire "I DON"T WANT THIS MACHINE ON THE INTERNAL NET" statement I made |
| 00:41.57 | fiberchunks | isn't that kind of him |
| 00:42.08 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 00:42.13 | patlabor221 | he wants me to use his firewall |
| 00:42.20 | patlabor221 | but he can't configure his firewall |
| 00:42.33 | patlabor221 | and I don't even want Asgard to touch our internal net |
| 00:46.10 | fiberchunks | slap him around a little :) |
| 00:46.17 | patlabor221 | he's gone |
| 00:46.39 | patlabor221 | I have keys to the net closet, I'll just put my own hub in the line |
| 00:49.05 | patlabor221 | can anyone get here, http://jeffm.bakadigital.com? |
| 00:49.43 | Merry | bye |
| 00:52.52 | fiberchunks | no |
| 00:54.11 | patlabor221 | ok good |
| 00:54.31 | patlabor221 | I don't know what the hell he routed, but it work internal, just not external |
| 01:07.50 | patlabor221 | fiber can you retry that site? |
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| 01:08.34 | patlabor221 | well that's a good sign |
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| 01:14.34 | Michaelh | how does one move to a foreign country like France for a number of months? Do you do something like ship some of your stuff over? Do you buy everything new again in the country in question? |
| 01:15.08 | patlabor221 | I thik that would depend on your wealth |
| 01:16.16 | Michaelh | heh.. not very wealthy |
| 01:16.31 | Michaelh | does ups do france too ? |
| 01:16.34 | Michaelh | :) |
| 01:16.46 | Michaelh | They do, don't they? |
| 01:18.49 | Spiff | Michaelh... sometimes you can get good rates on space in a shipping container. |
| 01:19.17 | Michaelh | I suppose I could go that way too :) |
| 01:19.25 | patlabor221 | UPS will ship anywhere in the world |
| 01:19.54 | Spiff | Yeah... but UPS will charge you an arm and a leg to ship big stuff oversea's. |
| 01:20.34 | patlabor221 | not reallly |
| 01:20.46 | Michaelh | I don't really have much in the way of big stuff, just books n' stuff |
| 01:20.48 | patlabor221 | you know those pack and ship places double all prices right? |
| 01:21.05 | Spiff | I'm not talking about pack and ship places. |
| 01:21.06 | Michaelh | lol -- I would figure as much |
| 01:21.14 | Spiff | I'm talking about buying space (in cubic feet) in a shipping container. |
| 01:21.19 | patlabor221 | I know |
| 01:21.27 | patlabor221 | but you said UPS was an arm and a leg |
| 01:21.29 | Spiff | You take it to the company and the cram it in for you. Then they send it on a ship. |
| 01:21.34 | Michaelh | I just figure it all adds up -- if I didn't ship some stuff .. |
| 01:21.36 | patlabor221 | it's not if you go direct |
| 01:21.49 | Spiff | It only costs a few $'s per cubic foot. |
| 01:21.53 | patlabor221 | yeah that can take months tho |
| 01:22.10 | Michaelh | I think this company probably has some idea of what I would do.. I'm just pondering stuff |
| 01:23.10 | Spiff | Depends. I have friends in Cayman who ship stuff from the US to there by that means constantly. |
| 01:23.26 | Spiff | I think the average wait (from continent to continent) is like a month. :| |
| 01:23.41 | Spiff | But of course.. you can also get space on planes.. but it's more 'spensive. |
| 01:26.14 | Michaelh | I haven't signed the papers in person -- that's tommorow -- but they've offered me the job |
| 01:27.13 | Michaelh | even if it isn't a "great" job there |
| 01:27.25 | Michaelh | 's almost nothing that couldn't beat compusa checkout dude |
| 01:28.27 | Michaelh | I guess they want to do most of their training in paris -- some odd number of months |
| 01:30.06 | Michaelh | Compusa has got some lame "UNMATCHED" advertising thing going on |
| 01:30.30 | Michaelh | silly commercials that talk about how great their prices are ... hah |
| 01:31.22 | Michaelh | Although they do have free installation for your mp3 player, hard drive etc... as long as it happens within 1 hour and within 25 miles of the store |
| 01:31.40 | Michaelh | although of course .. it make take a week for that to happen |
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| 01:31.49 | PatlaborTRIL | ahh there we go |
| 01:32.26 | Michaelh | I will have to release my evil laugh for people who want the free install to happen *now* |
| 01:36.29 | Michaelh | The evil laugh also comes out for people who call a retail store looking for tech support |
| 01:37.00 | Michaelh | .. and the people that get mad that the $8/hr expert wasn't correct about something or another |
| 01:44.41 | Michaelh | anywhooo |
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| 01:47.47 | jzaun | anyone seen noodleman? |
| 01:48.08 | PatlaborTRIL | he's been around |
| 01:48.21 | PatlaborTRIL | got DSL at his house finaly |
| 01:48.37 | jzaun | hmm... know what the security issues are with stats.bzflag.org? |
| 01:49.14 | PatlaborTRIL | the bigest one I know is, it was tracking last known IP for each user, even before they registered |
| 01:49.27 | PatlaborTRIL | so people were registering other peoples callsigns just to find there ip |
| 01:49.49 | jzaun | Shouldn't be displayed anywhere, but that would be easy to stop |
| 01:50.07 | PatlaborTRIL | it is displaed when you edit your profile |
| 01:50.25 | jzaun | so your the onlyone who sees it, right? |
| 01:50.37 | PatlaborTRIL | yeah |
| 01:50.38 | jzaun | eh, less someone else registers your profile |
| 01:50.44 | PatlaborTRIL | that's what was hapening |
| 01:50.51 | jzaun | ahh |
| 01:51.10 | PatlaborTRIL | carnage was registering people he thought were cheating to get there Ips |
| 01:51.17 | jzaun | well, if I could get ahold of him, it would take 5 min. to fix that. |
| 01:51.42 | PatlaborTRIL | I think he wanted to sort out some other stuff with you first |
| 01:51.50 | jzaun | thats cool |
| 01:51.53 | PatlaborTRIL | so he just took it offline as he's still getin settles |
| 01:52.08 | jzaun | how often does he get online - I have no inet at home anymore, just on campus :-( |
| 01:52.10 | PatlaborTRIL | I saw that they added more hardware support for your chipset to DRI :) |
| 01:52.18 | PatlaborTRIL | every day or so |
| 01:52.41 | jzaun | I'll have to check it out, would be nice to get back into bzflag |
| 01:53.07 | learner | did anyone get the #4 invisible? |
| 01:53.30 | PatlaborTRIL | not that there are many people left here to get "into" it with |
| 01:53.57 | jzaun | alot of people drop out of devel, or devel and playing? |
| 01:54.19 | PatlaborTRIL | both |
| 01:54.23 | Michaelh | I'm sort of "out" for a while |
| 01:54.36 | learner | there's been a handful of "new" hands too |
| 01:55.03 | PatlaborTRIL | is 2 a handfull? |
| 01:55.16 | Michaelh | I'm thinking about creating some of demo system |
| 01:55.18 | PatlaborTRIL | I count 5 total who seem to care |
| 01:55.30 | jzaun | hmm... thats a shame |
| 01:55.37 | Michaelh | I care -- just don't have time........ |
| 01:55.47 | learner | "care" is a bit of a stretch pat :) |
| 01:55.52 | PatlaborTRIL | tue |
| 01:55.54 | PatlaborTRIL | true |
| 01:56.06 | learner | but yea, they can be counted on one hand at least in binary :) |
| 01:56.15 | jzaun | time is a big issue with me now-days too |
| 01:56.22 | learner | 3 fingers even :) |
| 01:56.25 | jzaun | school, job, 2nd job |
| 01:56.31 | Spiff | Whoa. Hiya jzaun. :-) |
| 01:56.36 | Spiff | It's been *ages*. |
| 01:56.46 | jzaun | yah, too long |
| 01:56.46 | Michaelh | easier if you're in college or in between jobs etc... |
| 01:56.47 | learner | OOOohh.. beos max edition v3 released.. sweet |
| 01:57.18 | Michaelh | I was "inbetween opportunities" before :) |
| 01:57.32 | jzaun | Mich, to a point, 5 classes a week, and 2 jobs is hard enough 1 job as a developer then 2nd as a resident advisor to 300 kids |
| 01:58.01 | Michaelh | Ah well.. depends what you're doing in school I suppose |
| 01:58.10 | Michaelh | there's at least some flexibility of time |
| 01:58.35 | jzaun | true, but I do like to get homework done, and there is the issue of a RL :-) |
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| 01:58.53 | Michaelh | Hey I'm not blaming you.. I'm short on time too |
| 01:59.02 | jzaun | MAC, hello, been awhile |
| 01:59.07 | jzaun | Mich, I know :-) |
| 01:59.08 | PatlaborTRIL | http://jeffm.bakadigital.com/HT8.jpg |
| 01:59.28 | jzaun | nice model |
| 01:59.36 | Michaelh | does a server side demo system make sense at all to you guys? |
| 01:59.38 | jzaun | pat, you make models loadable, an the whole resource system yet? |
| 01:59.44 | learner | No, jzaun, you used to dev? |
| 01:59.47 | PatlaborTRIL | ohh god no |
| 01:59.51 | learner | for bzflag, that is? |
| 01:59.56 | Michaelh | yes |
| 02:00.01 | PatlaborTRIL | we had a hell of a time just getting a versioning system together |
| 02:00.35 | PatlaborTRIL | http://jeffm.bakadigital.com/tank-hov-08-2.jpg |
| 02:00.38 | jzaun | learner a bit of dev (a few patch, some went in, some didn't, and are very outdated). I did code stats.bzflag.org (and ran it for awhile) way back when |
| 02:00.39 | PatlaborTRIL | it's purdy tho isn't it |
| 02:00.40 | Michaelh | geez this is confusing |
| 02:01.14 | jzaun | pat: heh, so have you started on any of it yet... /me still would love new models |
| 02:01.15 | Michaelh | still.. we could use that nifty midi system |
| 02:01.25 | MrApathyCream | hey zaun |
| 02:01.37 | PatlaborTRIL | nothing to start on, the base system is no where near modular enogh |
| 02:01.44 | jzaun | learner: I was one of the first to run a rotating server - not sure if there are any still left though. did world devel too |
| 02:02.11 | Michaelh | have we added that yet to the server? |
| 02:02.12 | learner | Oh, yeah, there are rotating servers |
| 02:02.20 | Spiff | Not many of 'em tho. :-( |
| 02:02.23 | Michaelh | Rotating levels without disconnecting people? |
| 02:03.09 | jzaun | learner, mine rotated 100+ maps (basically all that there were). and from the web it would let you lanch any map you wanted for a quick 15 or 30 min. game.... |
| 02:03.29 | jzaun | mich: nah, times games 1 hour each |
| 02:03.54 | jzaun | s.b.o used to have a good bit more, till I got fed up with DoS attacks |
| 02:04.03 | Michaelh | I meant the current version, I believe that's a feature to be implemented |
| 02:04.10 | jzaun | noodle was nice enough to take it over |
| 02:04.20 | Spiff | Would definitely be a *cool* feature, Michaelh. |
| 02:04.25 | jzaun | mich: would have made things easier as a server admin |
| 02:04.52 | Spiff | I sorta liked the rotating servers that didn't have a time limit. They just stayed on that particular map until the server emptied. |
| 02:04.57 | PatlaborTRIL | heh, that tank has more faces then 9 BZ tanks |
| 02:05.08 | Spiff | LoL Patlabor |
| 02:05.13 | Spiff | Looks like it does. ;-) |
| 02:05.35 | Spiff | Is that going into "Screamers?" |
| 02:05.42 | Spiff | And have you re-named Screamers yet? :-) |
| 02:06.46 | jzaun | welp all, I got to run, time to work for a bit before home |
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| 02:06.56 | Spiff | C-yaz jzaun. |
| 02:06.59 | PatlaborTRIL | I do need to rename it |
| 02:07.02 | Spiff | It's good to see you again. :-) |
| 02:07.05 | PatlaborTRIL | see ya |
| 02:07.10 | learner | bye bye |
| 02:07.22 | PatlaborTRIL | even tho techinaly it will be a new projecet, cus it won't use the core of the old one |
| 02:07.42 | Spiff | Ohhhhh. Ic Ic. |
| 02:07.53 | Spiff | But ya didn't answer the first question. ;-) |
| 02:07.57 | Spiff | Is that model for the new game? |
| 02:08.00 | learner | thank goodness I didn't install os x 10.2.8 last night! |
| 02:08.04 | PatlaborTRIL | it was purchased for that yes |
| 02:08.08 | Spiff | Awesome. :-) |
| 02:08.24 | learner | the fix apparently screws up networking for my particular model.. |
| 02:12.08 | PatlaborTRIL | hmmm, methinks a new requirement will be that all tanks have some form of antena |
| 02:12.16 | PatlaborTRIL | cus ya gotta put the flag somewhere |
| 02:14.59 | Spiff | That might be good. :-) |
| 02:16.12 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/include (WordFilter.h): added string.h for strlen |
| 02:16.49 | PatlaborTRIL | so how many items are kept in BZDB? |
| 02:18.39 | MrApathyCream | woowoo Roger 47-2 against 2 robots |
| 02:18.42 | learner | given how many calls bzfs makes, it's somewhere less than 1000, I'm guessing |
| 02:18.50 | MrApathyCream | he's a keeler |
| 02:19.10 | PatlaborTRIL | and any idea what the average lenth of them are? |
| 02:19.15 | MrApathyCream | BZDB locked items are around 60 |
| 02:19.21 | MrApathyCream | dunno about client items |
| 02:19.21 | PatlaborTRIL | most of them are numbers and stuff right? |
| 02:19.35 | MrApathyCream | some bools |
| 02:19.45 | PatlaborTRIL | what is a bool stored as? |
| 02:19.53 | MrApathyCream | bool i think |
| 02:19.56 | PatlaborTRIL | a 1 or a 0 or the word "true" |
| 02:19.58 | MrApathyCream | BZDB->isTrue |
| 02:20.05 | MrApathyCream | type bool |
| 02:20.11 | PatlaborTRIL | ahh well that's good |
| 02:20.22 | PatlaborTRIL | but numbers are stored as strings right? |
| 02:21.07 | MrApathyCream | yes |
| 02:21.18 | learner | MAC, I noticed in the client (via /set) that "poll" is listed as a server var.. do you know how I can get rid of it from being listed there? |
| 02:21.22 | MrApathyCream | not in the cache tho |
| 02:21.30 | PatlaborTRIL | well at least that is good |
| 02:21.36 | MrApathyCream | learner: listServerVars |
| 02:21.41 | MrApathyCream | in playing.cxx |
| 02:21.46 | PatlaborTRIL | seems like we are doing a lot of atoi and atof |
| 02:22.18 | MrApathyCream | uh, listSetVars |
| 02:22.36 | MrApathyCream | do whatever you do do not allow /set pool 111 |
| 02:22.38 | MrApathyCream | from client |
| 02:22.39 | learner | yea, bzdb should probably have templated containers or something to store real data types instead of "everything is a string" |
| 02:23.16 | PatlaborTRIL | mem usage went up a LOT for 1.9 |
| 02:23.29 | MrApathyCream | wordfilter? :) |
| 02:23.39 | PatlaborTRIL | with no filter |
| 02:23.56 | MrApathyCream | mem usage on client? |
| 02:24.00 | PatlaborTRIL | yes |
| 02:24.08 | PatlaborTRIL | it's aporx 30 megs now |
| 02:24.17 | PatlaborTRIL | in release |
| 02:24.19 | learner | where does the client's view of the bzdb get server items added? .. that just checks the db for all locked vars.. "poll" is set in the server as a ReadOnly var |
| 02:24.25 | MrApathyCream | more sounds, maybe images |
| 02:24.40 | PatlaborTRIL | 4 sounds and 2 images were added |
| 02:24.43 | PatlaborTRIL | so I say not |
| 02:24.47 | PatlaborTRIL | we used to be around 16 megs |
| 02:25.17 | learner | a lot of code has been added, but I don't think that much.. |
| 02:25.20 | MrApathyCream | learner, well filter listSetVars for readonly |
| 02:26.13 | learner | it can be Locked and ReadOnly as well as Locked and not ReadOnly? |
| 02:26.22 | MrApathyCream | PatlaborTRIL, is memory usage stable or increasing? |
| 02:26.30 | MrApathyCream | learner: i think so |
| 02:26.35 | PatlaborTRIL | I don't think it's leaking |
| 02:26.38 | MrApathyCream | locked just mean 'only changed on server' |
| 02:26.40 | PatlaborTRIL | I'm just compareing to ld |
| 02:26.42 | PatlaborTRIL | old |
| 02:26.45 | MrApathyCream | ok |
| 02:28.03 | learner | pat: is that total vm usage or resident or on disk? |
| 02:28.20 | PatlaborTRIL | just on launch an early 1.9a0 used 11 megs of mem, current 1.9.4 uses 26 megs |
| 02:28.33 | MrApathyCream | nifty |
| 02:28.36 | PatlaborTRIL | both of those have the new sounds |
| 02:28.38 | PatlaborTRIL | and images |
| 02:29.29 | PatlaborTRIL | the EXE is also about 400k larger |
| 02:30.34 | PatlaborTRIL | basicly BZ will hit VM on a 32 meg windows system now where it used to be ok |
| 02:32.46 | PatlaborTRIL | it's intersting that we have added about 15 megs to the base footprint, and really the enduser doesn't see any improvement |
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| 02:32.59 | PatlaborTRIL | in fact it does run a tad slower |
| 02:33.29 | MrApathyCream | what's 15 megs between friends |
| 02:34.10 | learner | My client was at roughly 20 megs on os x for a debug build |
| 02:34.13 | PatlaborTRIL | the diff between the min req being a 32 meg machine and a 64 meg machine |
| 02:35.00 | PatlaborTRIL | tho 64 megs very common these days |
| 02:35.08 | PatlaborTRIL | XP and ME will not install with less then that |
| 02:35.12 | MrApathyCream | hmm, |
| 02:35.18 | MrApathyCream | where are you getting these numbers? |
| 02:35.25 | MrApathyCream | task man says 4M for me |
| 02:35.28 | PatlaborTRIL | just looking at task manager |
| 02:35.48 | PatlaborTRIL | for what version? |
| 02:35.54 | MrApathyCream | 4112K |
| 02:35.58 | MrApathyCream | latest |
| 02:36.38 | PatlaborTRIL | is that with it displayed, or minimised? |
| 02:36.48 | PatlaborTRIL | I drop to 2,500k minimised |
| 02:36.48 | MrApathyCream | mined |
| 02:36.51 | MrApathyCream | no it's 11K |
| 02:36.55 | PatlaborTRIL | 26 megs displayed |
| 02:38.21 | Spiff | Please don't mention 64 megs. I'm sooooo sick of this PC. :-) |
| 02:39.13 | learner | it sould simply be the difference between debug and optimized builds pat |
| 02:39.28 | learner | though that is a big difference, still |
| 02:39.36 | lurgyman | captain_proton is a cheesemonger |
| 02:40.27 | Spiff | If captain_proton is a cheesemonger... what are you, lurgyman? |
| 02:40.42 | PatlaborTRIL | I am running both release |
| 02:40.56 | MrApathyCream | never got above 11K |
| 02:41.07 | Spiff | LoL |
| 02:41.25 | Spiff | Look out! I'm gonna make a coat out of you! |
| 02:41.32 | PatlaborTRIL | well that makes no sense, you know the sounds and images are larger thent hat |
| 02:41.41 | PatlaborTRIL | maybe TM isn't acurate |
| 02:42.11 | PatlaborTRIL | may also depend on your GL imp |
| 02:42.59 | PatlaborTRIL | well now that all servers are up methings it's time to go home |
| 02:45.00 | Spiff | ;-) |
| 02:45.34 | PatlaborTRIL | lurgy can you tell cap that darkrmoor is back, he can continue leaching |
| 02:50.40 | Spiff | Spiff shall return. |
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| 03:05.29 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o Patlabor221] by ChanServ |
| 03:11.41 | *** topic/#bzflag by lurgyman -> http://BZFlag.org/ || http://list.BZFlag.org/ || http://stats.BZFlag.org/ || forums http://bzbb.bzflag.org || put javadoc-style /** comments */ in headers! || cvs snapshots: http://sfsnap.babylonia.flatirons.org/ Win32 versions http://www.bakadigital.com/BZ/19 || check out new /poll, /vote, and /veto commands on brlcad.org:14242 || I wish I were a baby bumble bee |
| 03:11.57 | *** part/#bzflag lurgyman (~lurgyman@home-dhcp6-16.Colorado.EDU) |
| 03:27.14 | learner | cool |
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| 03:34.28 | SGI | hi\ |
| 03:41.23 | MrApathyCream | learner: built in to the bzflag development platform of choice |
| 03:43.10 | learner | eh? |
| 03:43.59 | learner | oh you mean your dev environment has it built in |
| 03:44.18 | learner | yes.. so does the mac, but the new/delete hack was fun :) |
| 03:44.28 | learner | and trivially more informative |
| 04:01.24 | MrApathyCream | you should debugger memory allocs > n where n is some large number |
| 04:01.38 | MrApathyCream | see who stole Patlabor221's memory |
| 04:02.12 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (playing.cxx): Roger decides not to weave when his target is behind him |
| 04:21.21 | Spiff | Aha! I have returned, Noodleman. And there's nouthing you can do about it! |
| 04:21.30 | Spiff | Mwahahahaha! |
| 04:22.53 | Noodleman | I shall give you a headache! |
| 04:22.56 | Noodleman | http://www.rjlsoftware.com/software/entertainment/headache/headache.htm |
| 04:22.57 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/misc (multilingualSwearList.txt): Italian contributions by SGI |
| 04:23.43 | Spiff | Ow. My optic nerve. |
| 04:24.23 | Noodleman | hehe, i really physically punched you in the eye thru IRC |
| 04:24.30 | Noodleman | i bet you can't top that :-) |
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| 04:26.22 | SGI | hello |
| 04:26.27 | Noodleman | moo |
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| 04:26.44 | Noodleman | moo |
| 04:27.28 | squashy | is bzflag absolutely free ? |
| 04:27.36 | Noodleman | shore nuff |
| 04:27.43 | Noodleman | it's called open source |
| 04:27.52 | Noodleman | you can get the source code for free too |
| 04:27.59 | squashy | but that doesn't mean its free |
| 04:28.06 | squashy | open source doesn't mean free |
| 04:28.13 | Noodleman | then you can mess with and release your own version of bzflag |
| 04:28.20 | squashy | GPL or LGPL or ? |
| 04:28.24 | Noodleman | gpl |
| 04:28.32 | squashy | and is bzflag spyware ? |
| 04:28.36 | Noodleman | nope |
| 04:28.45 | squashy | how can i be so sure ? |
| 04:28.47 | Noodleman | anyone can audit the source |
| 04:28.49 | Patlabor221 | it's LGPL |
| 04:28.59 | Patlabor221 | you coudl build it yourself if you wanted |
| 04:29.06 | squashy | well then |
| 04:29.06 | squashy | i'm gonna install it |
| 04:29.25 | SGI | no spyware |
| 04:29.28 | squashy | so it is... aboslutly FREE ? |
| 04:29.32 | SGI | yes |
| 04:29.37 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 04:29.37 | squashy | cool |
| 04:29.43 | Noodleman | no strings attached :-) |
| 04:29.49 | SGI | no spy |
| 04:29.52 | Noodleman | there IS such a thing as a free lunch :-) |
| 04:30.06 | Patlabor221 | well you have to play for the power and bandwith |
| 04:30.07 | SGI | have fun |
| 04:30.11 | Patlabor221 | so no it's not free :) |
| 04:30.33 | squashy | :| |
| 04:30.42 | squashy | but the software itself is free... right ? |
| 04:30.46 | Patlabor221 | yes yes |
| 04:30.52 | squashy | ah huh... |
| 04:30.55 | Patlabor221 | just like tux racer |
| 04:30.57 | SGI | isnt free......he will still your free hours....forever |
| 04:31.37 | SGI | sgienglish again |
| 04:31.55 | Patlabor221 | and if it wasn't you would know before you payed for something would you not? |
| 04:32.21 | SGI | $$$$$$$$$$$$$ |
| 04:32.39 | squashy | huh ? |
| 04:33.23 | SGI | there is two types of game in bzflag |
| 04:33.30 | squashy | aw well |
| 04:33.32 | SGI | CTF capture the flag |
| 04:33.34 | squashy | gotta exit chat |
| 04:33.38 | learner | if it wasn't free.. you wouldn't be able to exactly download it, get the source code, etc |
| 04:33.39 | SGI | and FFA |
| 04:33.42 | squashy | gonna play bzflag |
| 04:33.42 | squashy | bye |
| 04:33.48 | learner | bah |
| 04:33.58 | SGI | bah |
| 04:35.34 | learner | SGI: 0:22:57: CIA: brlcad * 2bzflag/misc (multilingualSwearList.txt): Italian contributions by SGI |
| 04:38.01 | Spiff | Hmm.. brb. |
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| 04:42.13 | SGI | whazzzzzzzzzzzup |
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| 04:49.38 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/ (BUGS): robot thru buildings just won't die |
| 04:52.24 | Noodleman | l8r |
| 04:55.56 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (playing.cxx): Roger contemplates shot accuracy, not just distance when considering whether or not to jump |
| 04:56.11 | SGI | learner |
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| 05:06.29 | SGI | can you change the window size in mac OSX |
| 05:06.39 | JBDiGriz | no |
| 05:07.17 | SGI | ty |
| 05:07.57 | JBDiGriz | we have discussed how to make that work. |
| 05:08.39 | SGI | are you looking to do that feature |
| 05:09.18 | SGI | learner Ican download the update badwordslist |
| 05:11.17 | MrApathyCream | Roger is looking for an opponent on xmission, any takers? |
| 05:12.09 | triclops2 | xmission v1.9 or v1.7 ? |
| 05:12.17 | MrApathyCream | 1.9 |
| 05:13.13 | triclops2 | hmm, stoopid windows |
| 05:15.35 | MrApathyCream | up to put Roger back in his place? |
| 05:15.50 | Spiff | I will. ;-) |
| 05:16.11 | triclops2 | need a 1.9 client for windows |
| 05:16.21 | MrApathyCream | k |
| 05:16.24 | MrApathyCream | seeya there |
| 05:17.06 | Spiff | Errrrrrr. |
| 05:17.08 | Spiff | Hmm. |
| 05:18.20 | MrApathyCream | ? |
| 05:18.32 | MrApathyCream | Roger puts the fear of god in to normal humans? |
| 05:18.46 | Spiff | I'm there now. |
| 05:18.50 | Spiff | I just had an old CVS. |
| 05:18.53 | Spiff | Had to get the new one. |
| 05:21.57 | JBDiGriz | scanline, what's the point of the topic? |
| 05:35.53 | scanline | JBDiGriz: why are you asking me? |
| 05:38.45 | SGI | the red flag is stuck on xmission |
| 05:39.09 | JBDiGriz | scanline: It's listed that you changed the topic. |
| 05:39.29 | purple_cow | no, its listed that lurgyman did |
| 05:42.17 | scanline | masterful usage of IRC :P |
| 05:43.19 | JBDiGriz | pisg lists you as the editor. I'm looking for the IRC command. |
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| 05:48.46 | scanline | pisg? |
| 05:48.56 | scanline | try '/topic' :P |
| 05:49.25 | JBDiGriz | It allows me to set the topic. I was looking for something like /topic info |
| 05:49.33 | scanline | just '/topic' |
| 05:49.39 | scanline | it will tell you the current topic and who set it |
| 05:50.11 | JBDiGriz | Current client lists the topic, but not who set it. |
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| 05:50.52 | scanline | get a better client :P |
| 05:51.17 | JBDiGriz | x-chat lets me know that lurgyman set it. The pisg data is at http://bzgirl.bakadigital.com/irc.html |
| 05:52.20 | JBDiGriz | I'm testing this client and complaining at the programmer. Perhaps it will get better. Or I could just not use clients that don't do everything and then nothing changes. |
| 05:53.39 | scanline | most people use unfeatureful IRC clients for the wrong reasons |
| 05:53.51 | scanline | if you use a non-X GUI, you can just write a new frontend for x-chat |
| 05:54.08 | JBDiGriz | That's my other client. |
| 05:54.19 | *** part/#bzflag creeperz (~creeperz@host-11-76-220-24.midco.net) |
| 06:03.56 | MrApathyCream | Spiff, was Roger worth playing against, or still just too lousy? |
| 06:04.20 | Spiff | He's 100% better than the old solo bots... but still plays like a newbie. :-) |
| 06:04.34 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (playing.cxx): Roger learns the unholy truth, GM can get ya from any altitude |
| 06:04.35 | MrApathyCream | ya |
| 06:04.52 | MrApathyCream | at least he plays more like a human, even if a lousy one |
| 06:05.20 | Spiff | Yep. He's getting better though. :-) |
| 06:05.20 | Spiff | ;-) |
| 06:06.39 | MrApathyCream | managing jumping up onto and down off of buildings is a surprisingly difficult thing to deal with programmatically |
| 06:06.48 | MrApathyCream | deciding when and were isn't easy |
| 06:06.53 | MrApathyCream | Roger isn't very good at it. |
| 06:07.20 | Spiff | He jumps up okay really... tho he's easy to pick of in the process. |
| 06:07.34 | MrApathyCream | jumping down he's lousy |
| 06:07.51 | MrApathyCream | perhaps he needs to check if an enemy is waiting to shoot him |
| 06:08.14 | MrApathyCream | he's good at jumping one level, but not so good at more than that |
| 06:08.48 | MrApathyCream | he certainly can't plan a climb, only if it's lucky enough to be available to him |
| 06:09.32 | Spiff | Hmmmm. I wonder if he could do it better on more open maps. |
| 06:09.40 | MrApathyCream | perhaps |
| 06:09.56 | MrApathyCream | ideally i'd like Roger to say, ooh, i have gm, lemme see how to get to the highest point |
| 06:10.07 | MrApathyCream | Roger's got a lot of learning to do before that |
| 06:10.23 | Spiff | Hehehehehe. He's growing fast tho. |
| 06:11.29 | MrApathyCream | well hopefully he'll be a reasonable challenge to the newbie |
| 06:12.44 | Spiff | Methinks he will. |
| 06:12.49 | Spiff | He may beat some newbies. :-) |
| 06:13.09 | MrApathyCream | hehe good |
| 06:15.27 | Spiff | I've seen some newbies that played like the old solo bots. LoL |
| 06:15.49 | MrApathyCream | heh that IS bad |
| 06:16.13 | Spiff | LoL |
| 06:16.15 | Spiff | Yep |
| 06:16.25 | Spiff | Pry lil' kids or something. :-) |
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| 06:45.27 | Spiff | Wb triclops. |
| 06:46.17 | triclops2 | Wb? |
| 06:46.23 | Spiff | Welcome back. |
| 06:46.25 | Spiff | :-) |
| 06:46.52 | triclops2 | hehe, the joys of modern communications :) |
| 06:47.17 | Spiff | Ahh yes. ;-) |
| 06:48.10 | triclops2 | the reduction of every common phrase to a series of letters just so cell phone and IRC users can send messages faster |
| 06:48.25 | MrApathyCream | iht |
| 06:48.31 | Spiff | Yep yep. Tho I'm not quite as good at it as some are. :-) |
| 06:48.55 | Spiff | Then again.. I don't have my cell phone hooked up at the moment. ;-) |
| 06:49.19 | MrApathyCream | iirc, iht = i hear that |
| 06:50.19 | Spiff | iirc? |
| 06:50.41 | triclops2 | if i recall correctly |
| 06:50.49 | Spiff | Ohhh. |
| 06:50.55 | Spiff | Groovy. ;-) |
| 06:50.57 | MrApathyCream | hehe |
| 06:50.57 | triclops2 | or s/recall/remember/ |
| 06:54.11 | Spiff | Need any help? |
| 07:25.06 | MrApathyCream | w00t |
| 07:25.14 | MrApathyCream | well off to bed |
| 07:26.05 | Spiff | Cool stuff triclops. |
| 07:57.49 | triclops2 | hehe, i won. |
| 07:57.58 | triclops2 | lots of fun |
| 07:59.11 | triclops2 | anyway off to learn how to hack OpenGL |
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| 08:37.17 | bomber | moin |
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| 08:47.25 | Spiff | Hi bomber. |
| 08:47.36 | Spiff | Hi larsl. |
| 08:47.45 | Spiff | Earrrrrrrrrrrrrly morning here. Like 3:45 AM. LoL |
| 08:49.46 | bomber | hi spiff |
| 08:50.02 | bomber | 10:50 here |
| 08:50.12 | Spiff | Germany, correct? |
| 08:50.17 | bomber | yep |
| 08:50.51 | Spiff | Cool. |
| 08:50.58 | [dmp] | "moin" is just like hello. Not morning, correct? |
| 08:51.11 | Spiff | East/Central U.S.A. here. |
| 08:51.24 | bomber | i think both...i am not german...ask chess |
| 08:51.56 | [dmp] | oh. Where're you from? |
| 08:52.02 | bomber | Slovakia |
| 08:52.13 | bomber | i am working now in germany |
| 08:52.32 | [dmp] | In denmark (southern jutland) moin is used when those wierdos means hi :-) |
| 08:52.35 | [dmp] | ah |
| 08:52.44 | bomber | oh |
| 08:53.25 | [dmp] | I guess it originates from germany. (actually i didnt know it was used in de, before i began to idle here) |
| 08:53.33 | bomber | in slovak ..."ahoj" |
| 08:53.48 | bomber | :o) |
| 08:54.02 | bomber | spiff: East or Central ? |
| 08:54.25 | bomber | ibot moin |
| 08:54.26 | | [moin] North German for everything you would say for salutatory |
| 08:54.38 | Spiff | Well... I'm on central time. But I'm only a few states over from the east coast. |
| 08:54.42 | [dmp] | We got "Ohøj?" :-) |
| 08:55.42 | bomber | :-) |
| 08:55.43 | Spiff | I'm in the "Mid-West".. if that means anything to you. :-) |
| 08:57.00 | [dmp] | You go to mid-usa and begin walking west ? :-) |
| 08:57.11 | Spiff | Nah. Mid usa... and walk east. |
| 08:57.17 | Spiff | No clue why it's called the Mid West. |
| 08:57.19 | [dmp] | and suddenly you hear alot of tank explosions, see debree :-) |
| 08:57.21 | Spiff | It should be the Mid East. |
| 08:57.26 | [dmp] | odd |
| 08:57.38 | Spiff | If you go to the middle of the US... and head East.. I'm half way to the coast. |
| 08:57.52 | [dmp] | I guess "West" is relative to something else. |
| 08:58.14 | Spiff | Apparently so. |
| 08:58.26 | bomber | north or south? |
| 08:58.57 | Spiff | Pretty far north. |
| 08:59.00 | [dmp] | Denmark is much easier. Go the same direction for a couple of hours and you'll end at the sea. Unless people begin to speak german |
| 08:59.10 | Spiff | If you find Chicago... I'm a little bit south/east of it. |
| 08:59.41 | bomber | what about Denmark and EU ? |
| 09:00.30 | [dmp] | Nothing new |
| 09:00.37 | bomber | :o))) |
| 09:00.45 | [dmp] | They are talking about that we might have an elenction next year. |
| 09:01.00 | [dmp] | Saw a poll that says at more and more people and for eu |
| 09:01.14 | [dmp] | "are for eu" |
| 09:01.53 | bomber | slovakia should join in may 2004 |
| 09:02.09 | [dmp] | Yeah :) |
| 09:02.38 | [dmp] | Denmark was in charge for that. So it was hard to avoid not knowing that, that part went well (Expansion of eu) |
| 09:02.39 | bomber | for me good...because i still need work-permission here |
| 09:03.24 | [dmp] | Now the stupid prince of denmark is gonna marry, so we get 5% news and 95% "what dress is she gonna wear".. yay :-| |
| 09:03.50 | [dmp] | But at least they extended the news broadcast, so that 5% lasted almost 2 full minutes :) |
| 09:03.54 | Spiff | That's the media for ya, [dmp]. "=_ |
| 09:03.56 | bomber | yay |
| 09:03.57 | Spiff | :-)^ |
| 09:04.43 | [dmp] | Instead of somebody thats gonna marry at some not-decided time yet. And it isnt really official yet. |
| 09:04.45 | bomber | new suspect |
| 09:04.51 | [dmp] | Saw that |
| 09:05.14 | [dmp] | But I mean. If the first guys is innocent.. DAmn, poor dude. |
| 09:05.29 | bomber | yep |
| 09:06.13 | [dmp] | Guess the police is just too affraid to do the same as with oluf palme. Not finding the killer. |
| 09:16.18 | bomber | g night |
| 09:17.05 | Spiff | C-ya later all. :-) |
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| 11:01.42 | rooter | has elgan been on? |
| 11:10.28 | *** join/#bzflag KTL_ (~KTL@scotty.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be) |
| 11:11.32 | bomber | elgen not and elgan also not |
| 11:12.01 | KTL_ | (pseudo shakespeare again?) |
| 11:12.07 | KTL_ | (botgenerated?) |
| 11:37.15 | KTL_ | bambot is capable of driving through a rain of bullets towards his target, next thingie i want is serious pathfinding |
| 11:38.06 | dheckaman | bot? |
| 11:38.14 | KTL_ | the bzregions don't seem so bad at second sight |
| 11:38.17 | KTL_ | ~bam |
| 11:38.18 | | extra, extra, read all about it, bam is bullet avoiding mechanism |
| 11:38.24 | dheckaman | ah |
| 11:38.54 | KTL_ | the regions i want are more collections of bzregions |
| 11:39.38 | KTL_ | my region is a platform from where the tank can reach each other point on that platform without jumping/falling |
| 11:40.06 | Chestal | KTL: can I test your bot now? Which server settings are best? jumping or no jumping? |
| 11:40.19 | KTL_ | with jumping! a lot of bullets |
| 11:40.29 | KTL_ | no to new flags |
| 11:40.41 | Chestal | ducati has only 2 shots, but I think it's ok to begin with |
| 11:40.47 | KTL_ | no rico:-) he can't really evade these |
| 11:40.49 | Chestal | I can call some botfriends to do more testing :-) |
| 11:40.53 | Chestal | hmm, ok |
| 11:41.03 | Chestal | must tell him about rico later |
| 11:41.07 | KTL_ | which server? |
| 11:41.29 | Chestal | ducati 59155 |
| 11:46.12 | Chestal | urgh, I hate the new roamign keys |
| 11:46.15 | Chestal | virtually unusable |
| 11:46.22 | KTL_ | not good at frontal shots it seems, he could evade the shots of the old bots very good |
| 11:46.45 | KTL_ | with this config he always drive frontal to you, not good |
| 11:46.49 | Chestal | hard to see for me whether he did any evading |
| 11:47.13 | Chestal | yes, but even with frontal appraoch there is anescape path when the shot is far enough away |
| 11:47.30 | KTL_ | not much idd, he tried some paths , saw that on the radar, and when the bullets where to near it was too late to jump |
| 11:47.32 | Chestal | maybe he is too afraid of the shots ;-) |
| 11:47.47 | KTL_ | to self confident |
| 11:47.53 | Chestal | might be easier to test if it would stop shooting |
| 11:47.58 | Chestal | or even stop driving |
| 11:48.18 | KTL_ | that just what he has to do: driving through bullets from a to b |
| 11:48.30 | Chestal | I mean to test the escaping |
| 11:48.45 | Chestal | not drive when there are no bullets toescape |
| 11:48.56 | KTL_ | i think his forward speed makes the frontal bullets to fast |
| 11:49.00 | Chestal | for more controleld testing of shots from different distances |
| 11:50.03 | KTL_ | i go back to that server with a lot of old bots |
| 11:50.38 | KTL_ | hay! it was a non jump server! |
| 11:50.42 | Chestal | yes |
| 11:50.44 | KTL_ | of course he didn't jump! |
| 11:50.51 | Chestal | but he shoudl have evaded the shots |
| 11:51.00 | Chestal | he didn't even try |
| 11:51.01 | KTL_ | he should jump if there is no path |
| 11:51.15 | Chestal | I'm sure there was a pth he just thoguht otherwise :-) |
| 11:51.38 | KTL_ | and maybe a human finds a path because he can predict the bullets before they come, but the bot can't know that there 'll be fire |
| 11:51.58 | Chestal | I think that at least in one case there was plenty oftime to react after I shot my bullet |
| 11:52.14 | KTL_ | he did have a path to the left yes |
| 11:52.20 | Chestal | but it is hard to test if the bot shoots at me |
| 11:52.43 | Chestal | I can switch on jumping |
| 11:52.48 | Chestal | doesn't reall ymatter IMHO |
| 11:52.54 | KTL_ | ~IMHO |
| 11:52.55 | | IMAP webmail module for Roxen. URL: http://www.lysator.liu.se/~stewa/IMHO/, or "In My Humble Opinion" |
| 11:53.18 | Chestal | he should only jump as a last ressort |
| 11:54.00 | Chestal | hmm, I ave an interesting idea |
| 11:54.12 | KTL_ | tell |
| 11:54.17 | Chestal | he does use the current speed etc.of bullets? |
| 11:54.21 | KTL_ | yes |
| 11:54.25 | Chestal | I could make the shots super-slow onmy server |
| 11:54.32 | KTL_ | lol |
| 11:54.36 | Chestal | so we should be able to see him drive around the shots |
| 11:54.50 | KTL_ | i hope he does what he should do |
| 11:55.46 | Chestal | can you disable shooting? |
| 11:56.00 | KTL_ | done |
| 11:56.11 | KTL_ | but he keeps driving to the rabbit |
| 11:56.20 | KTL_ | better without obstacles |
| 11:57.03 | Chestal | ok, wait, preparing server |
| 11:59.27 | KTL_ | the server forced a disconnect |
| 11:59.44 | KTL_ | strange, there where no flags, only my bots |
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| 12:26.43 | KTL_ | it's worse |
| 12:31.55 | *** join/#bzflag drinian (~drinian@pcp153139pcs.hamntn01.nj.comcast.net) |
| 12:32.31 | KTL_ | maybe if i changed the interval |
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| 12:40.53 | strayer | hiho... |
| 12:41.46 | [dmp] | hi |
| 12:42.18 | bomber | haho |
| 12:42.46 | strayer | hui...such a fast reaction...I am impressed... |
| 12:43.09 | strayer | .o) |
| 12:43.18 | [dmp] | im should read homework now. But is searching the net for excuses to delay it :-) |
| 12:43.52 | strayer | ah...good idea... |
| 12:43.53 | bomber | me too |
| 12:44.14 | strayer | it doesn't do Ur work but everything is better than the things U have to do :) |
| 12:44.27 | [dmp] | yeah :) |
| 12:44.37 | rooter | i'm glad i'm not alone... |
| 12:44.56 | bomber | i think i need coffee-brake....with nice girls around |
| 12:44.57 | rooter | i have lots due this week |
| 12:44.59 | [dmp] | "Distributed System - concepts and design" .. It looks really mean at me |
| 12:45.03 | strayer | brb...phone |
| 12:45.06 | [dmp] | hehe |
| 12:45.12 | rooter | :) nice girls are fun |
| 12:46.07 | [dmp] | This book got alot of "empty"-text.. Some pages could be written with a few lines :-| |
| 12:46.36 | bomber | thats normal |
| 12:46.43 | [dmp] | i wonder if it would help to gzip it :-) |
| 12:46.50 | bomber | not quality....but quantity rules |
| 12:47.05 | rooter | you just summed up academics |
| 12:47.08 | [dmp] | For some books, yes. Its annoying and a waste of time. |
| 12:47.26 | bomber | for quantity you have much more money :o) |
| 12:48.07 | [dmp] | ah. so instead of small neat programs, i should write bloated software :) |
| 12:48.20 | rooter | does anybody here use httpunit? |
| 12:48.40 | rooter | [dmp]: why not most major software companies do |
| 12:48.44 | [dmp] | Not me. |
| 12:51.25 | bomber | transport processes in plasmas...grrr... better i go to this coffe-brake with nice girls :o))... |
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| 13:23.16 | KTL_ | bye |
| 13:27.46 | Chestal | uh? have just been trying to test bambot with him some minutes, oh well |
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| 13:38.22 | strayer | Chestal: is it a 'smart' player-bot? |
| 13:38.45 | Chestal | strayer: yes, main focus is on evading bullets |
| 13:38.56 | Chestal | concept sounds good, but implementtion seems to have some errors still |
| 13:39.37 | strayer | oh...well...I have no idea how to program such a bot... :) > is the source placed in the cvs? |
| 13:40.47 | strayer | Chestal: the concept itself would be interesting 4 me...I don't need the whole code ;) |
| 13:42.26 | [dmp] | give ops to everyone that joins? |
| 13:42.45 | Bagheera | anybody know what changed with the forum.......???.....some of the menus/icons are not working properly |
| 13:43.00 | Chestal | strayer: well, I don't know it exactly. Main idea is to create a graph of possible escape points and try to find a safe path through it |
| 13:43.15 | [dmp] | Bagheera: they moved server. use bzbb.bzflag.org that solves some of the problems (for me) |
| 13:43.15 | dheckaman | yea |
| 13:43.38 | Chestal | bzbb.bzflag.oerg redirects me to bakadigital |
| 13:43.42 | Chestal | probably NS caching |
| 13:43.58 | [dmp] | I would vote against it. Eventually somebody is gonna abuse it. |
| 13:44.15 | [dmp] | dropped a channel because of the noise that created. |
| 13:44.18 | strayer | ok...ty |
| 13:44.44 | strayer | urgs...wrong window :) |
| 13:47.53 | [dmp] | I hate those "Hate gettimg spam, buy our product"-spam-mails :-( |
| 13:49.11 | [dmp] | perhaps i should configure all spam to get replied with "Get a life, play bzflag" .. And then after they get addicted, cut the server and tell them no more bzflag, if they send spam :-) |
| 13:49.16 | strayer | hm...I get more porn-spam than such kinda mails |
| 13:49.42 | [dmp] | No they dont suck. Im enlarged by 500% now :-) |
| 13:50.00 | strayer | oha |
| 13:50.27 | [dmp] | my spamfilter is learning. I get less and less spam |
| 13:50.53 | [dmp] | posting into a newsgroup with a spamtrap seems to worked out nicely. They feed my spamfilter :-) |
| 13:51.06 | strayer | nice solution... |
| 13:52.05 | strayer | urgs...some people don't like U Chestal :) |
| 13:52.19 | Chestal | ...37 spam mails caught by simple filter |
| 13:52.19 | [dmp] | But it some soem worm/virus dont understand what it means to be rejected with 5xx (smtp) .. they retry a number of times :-( |
| 13:52.41 | Chestal | and 7 spam mails caught by my stochastic filter |
| 13:52.57 | [dmp] | which filter is that? |
| 13:53.01 | Chestal | my own :-) |
| 13:53.10 | Chestal | but it's oneof those Bayesian |
| 13:53.14 | [dmp] | ah |
| 13:53.18 | [dmp] | i use one of those. |
| 13:53.29 | [dmp] | Not sure if i want to add spamassssasin again |
| 13:53.35 | strayer | I feel like an idiot here...I use tools 4 this :| |
| 13:53.35 | [dmp] | 30sec of each mail is abit.. much |
| 13:53.45 | Chestal | wow |
| 13:54.00 | Chestal | it sohuld be well <1s, even on a slow machine |
| 13:54.06 | [dmp] | but that included dcc,razor and ofcause rbl-checks. |
| 13:54.13 | Chestal | ah, ok |
| 13:54.28 | Chestal | we had rbl checks for soem years here, but I doubt that they're very useful anymore |
| 13:54.32 | Chestal | I'd liek to try greylisting |
| 13:54.39 | [dmp] | I want to add dcc again. it seems like a nice idea. |
| 13:54.43 | [dmp] | ah |
| 13:55.18 | Chestal | dcc is the distributed approach? |
| 13:55.22 | [dmp] | giving rbls weight seems to be nice. However 3 big rbls have given up lately because of they DDoS'ing, personal threads .. |
| 13:57.00 | [dmp] | kind of.. When you get a mail, it calculates some checksums (trying to avoid those ramdom-word-junk) .. and sends those checksum to a central server/servers. If alot of other people already have added these checksums, you get a reply, saying this mail have been sent to "many" .. Then you can increase you belief that itmight be spam |
| 13:57.21 | [dmp] | ofcause whitelists are needed to avoid blacklisting big mailinglists. |
| 13:57.49 | Chestal | my simpel filtering here works pretty well |
| 13:57.57 | Chestal | I have no stats, but I thinkit catches well over 95% |
| 13:58.46 | Chestal | but then I could probably just move every Mail I get into the spam folder |
| 13:59.02 | Chestal | I do not receive much personalmail anyway and I do not filter my MLs because they seem to be almsot 100% spam free |
| 13:59.28 | [dmp] | Ah. All mails going through my mailserver is filtered. (and virus-scanned) |
| 13:59.53 | [dmp] | (my family and some friends are using it) |
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| 15:39.03 | larsl | Bagheera: Did you find out why flags appear inside bases in your map? |
| 15:39.47 | larsl | If not, can I have a copy? I think I know where the bug might be. |
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| 15:53.35 | CIA | 03timriker 08v1_7 * 12bzflag/misc (hix.bzw): 2 |
| 15:57.06 | TimRiker | Bagheera: I reverted to the old map. the update you sent has drawing artifacts for the bases, etc. |
| 16:00.22 | *** join/#bzflag Noodleman (~tuckerm@adsl-66-72-31-69.dsl.kntpin.ameritech.net) |
| 16:06.50 | Noodleman | TimRiker: did you plop a bot into #noodlebot just to be a jerk, or what? :-) |
| 16:07.42 | Nidhoggr | are people seeing bzbb.bzflag.org index page times in gmt? you can double check gmt here. http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/ |
| 16:09.27 | TimRiker | Noodleman: heh. playing. |
| 16:09.55 | Noodleman | hehe, that was a good joke :-) |
| 16:10.36 | larsl | Nidhoggr: Don't think so: 9:10 am |
| 16:10.58 | larsl | Should be closer to 4:10 pm. |
| 16:11.02 | Nidhoggr | why would I see it correctly, but not others? |
| 16:11.09 | Nidhoggr | I'm seeing 4:10pm |
| 16:11.15 | larsl | Or 5:10 if it's GMT and not UTC. |
| 16:11.59 | Nidhoggr | the config asks for timezone of system, and it is set correctly GMT-7 |
| 16:13.49 | larsl | "All times are GMT-7 hours". |
| 16:14.09 | larsl | It says that on the webpage too. |
| 16:15.08 | Nidhoggr | hrm. I'm seeing... |
| 16:15.12 | Nidhoggr | You last visited on Thu Sep 25, 2003 2:45 am |
| 16:15.12 | Nidhoggr | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:15.12 | Nidhoggr | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:15.14 | Nidhoggr | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:15.19 | larsl | And 9.10 AM is 4.10 PM - 7 hours. |
| 16:15.46 | Nidhoggr | oooh. |
| 16:15.51 | Nidhoggr | found the issue. |
| 16:15.59 | Nidhoggr | each user can set their time zone. |
| 16:16.22 | larsl | Ha, when I log in it gives the time in GMT. |
| 16:16.37 | Nidhoggr | you can set your time zone in the profile |
| 16:16.41 | larsl | Or maybe UTC, but it says GMT. |
| 16:18.19 | Nidhoggr | I verified GMT with timeanddate.com |
| 16:18.27 | Nidhoggr | so it should be right. |
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| 16:25.08 | larsl | Nidhoggr: I set my timezone to GMT+1, but the clock is one hour early. |
| 16:27.28 | Nidhoggr | this is strange, then. because phoenix is gmt-7, which is what I have the board set to, gmt shows correctly on the front page according to the clock sites that I go to. |
| 16:27.52 | Nidhoggr | does GMT take DST into account? |
| 16:28.18 | Nidhoggr | or is GMT constant? |
| 16:29.13 | larsl | I don't know... if it doesn't, then it makes sense. |
| 16:29.27 | larsl | But then everyone would have to change their offset twice a year. |
| 16:29.39 | Nidhoggr | cuz the time sites show stockholm 2 hours off of GMT |
| 16:30.17 | Nidhoggr | most software has option for DST y/n |
| 16:30.22 | Nidhoggr | this one doesn't seem to. |
| 16:31.25 | Nidhoggr | since phoenix never changes to DST, mine is always GMT -7 from what I remember. |
| 16:32.38 | CIA | 03larsl 08v1_7 * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (bzfs.cxx): No team flags inside bases (bases can have height 1) |
| 16:32.45 | TyroneFHornigh | PST is GMT-8, PDT is GMT-7 |
| 16:33.07 | larsl | TimRiker: If you want to run Bagheera's map it should work now, if you update xmission to latest 1.7 server. |
| 16:33.14 | Nidhoggr | and MST is GMT-7 |
| 16:33.22 | Nidhoggr | we don't do that MDT stuff ;) |
| 16:33.42 | TyroneFHornigh | Your loss ;) |
| 16:33.58 | larsl | CET is probably GMT+2 now, then. |
| 16:34.00 | Nidhoggr | actually, it's always too bright and hot no matter what time stuff we do. |
| 16:34.30 | TyroneFHornigh | True, you can't use that extra hour to hang out on the beach ;) |
| 16:35.07 | Nidhoggr | this way we can see the sunset before we die of heat exhaustion |
| 16:38.13 | TimRiker | larsl: cool. perhaps I will |
| 16:38.16 | TimRiker | ~xmission |
| 16:38.48 | *** part/#bzflag david_v (~david_v@c213-200-135-241.cm-upc.chello.se) |
| 16:40.38 | CIA | 03larsl * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (bzfs.cxx): No team flags inside bases (bases can have height 1) |
| 16:40.58 | larsl | Why are bases restricted to height 1, by the way? |
| 16:41.05 | larsl | Or 0. |
| 16:41.21 | captain_proton | well - elevated bases were given height 1 because height 0 lets people fall through |
| 16:41.44 | larsl | Why not any height, like a box? |
| 16:41.45 | captain_proton | and they were restricted to that value because the old protocol didn't allow sending height for a base |
| 16:41.49 | larsl | Ah. |
| 16:42.37 | TimRiker | in 1.9 we should change the protocol to include a team base. then the map can set it to what it likes. |
| 16:42.58 | TimRiker | well, include the height of the team base... ;-) |
| 16:43.32 | CIA | 03bzflag * 12bzflag/misc (hix.bzw): 2 |
| 16:46.09 | larsl | Are we going to do another test release soon? |
| 16:50.08 | TimRiker | sure. I'm hacking on a debian cvs feed. got some server issues to fix first. |
| 16:52.24 | larsl | The server still segfaults when I turn the regex filtering on. |
| 16:52.48 | larsl | I've tried to find the memory bug, but efence and valgrind haven't been very helpful so far. |
| 16:53.07 | TimRiker | hmm. does not happen for me. |
| 16:53.58 | larsl | It's not all the time, but almost. It happens when I send the message "you f___ing idiot" (without the ___). |
| 16:54.29 | larsl | And the backtraces are different from time to time. |
| 16:58.01 | TimRiker | larsl: I reenabled it on xmission:5154 for testing. |
| 16:59.01 | TimRiker | hmm. that kills it. |
| 17:00.12 | TimRiker | /home/timr/bin/loopbzfs5154: line 28: 2651 Segmentation fault (core dumped) |
| 17:02.15 | CIA | 03bzflag * 12bzflag/ (TODO): badwords |
| 17:02.44 | PatlaborTRIL | *sigh* and people wonder why it is said that the community is going downhill |
| 17:03.07 | larsl | Good, I thought that I had some other problem in my system. learner couldn't get his bzfs to crash. =) |
| 17:09.10 | larsl | valgrind reports the first error when the filter declares a vector<int> variable. That's odd. |
| 17:09.39 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/common (WordFilter.cxx): disable a semi-useless prefix for performance |
| 17:11.22 | Nidhoggr | yaknow what's funny. someone sends me a world done in windows. I put on linux and open in vi and do :s/^M/^M/g and it makes it readable. |
| 17:13.20 | Nidhoggr | well, before I do that, it's all lumped together |
| 17:13.37 | TyroneFHornigh | Maybe it's spending too much time that I actually have a shell alias for doing that. |
| 17:14.11 | Nidhoggr | I just find it funny that I replace a control-m with a control-m and that fixes the file. |
| 17:14.17 | Nidhoggr | of course, it's doing more than taht. |
| 17:14.18 | TyroneFHornigh | Unix assumes that you really want an end of line rather than a carriage return. I sometimes wonder if that's the correct thing. |
| 17:15.01 | TyroneFHornigh | It puts a linefeed in the file instead of the carriage return. |
| 17:16.12 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 17:16.33 | TyroneFHornigh | Now the question is, how do you get a carriage return into a file? |
| 17:16.46 | Nidhoggr | hrm. |
| 17:16.48 | Nidhoggr | good question |
| 17:17.13 | Nidhoggr | ugh... I am stringsing my entourage database for an email from remote. |
| 17:17.35 | Nidhoggr | I need to find a way to export all my entourage mail to standard mail folders and use pine or something. |
| 17:20.37 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 17:20.39 | captain_proton | From: BZFlag cron jobs <bzflag@users.sourceforge.net> |
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| 17:30.24 | TimRiker | larsl: xmission is running Xmission_replac and the 1.7 cvs fix. seems fine so far. |
| 17:30.50 | larsl | Nice. |
| 17:31.00 | Nidhoggr | grrr. someone joins with callsign "Testing Cheat Client, Beware" |
| 17:31.15 | dheckaman | Noodleman? |
| 17:31.16 | dheckaman | :) |
| 17:31.37 | dheckaman | Nidhoggr: what ip? |
| 17:31.40 | Noodleman | oh sorry, that was me, i should have been more careful choosing a server |
| 17:31.46 | Nidhoggr | 66.72.31.69 |
| 17:31.49 | dheckaman | LOL |
| 17:31.55 | dheckaman | oh man :) |
| 17:31.56 | Nidhoggr | was that you? |
| 17:32.01 | Noodleman | that ip |
| 17:32.06 | Noodleman | yeah |
| 17:32.10 | Nidhoggr | hahahahha |
| 17:32.13 | [dmp] | hehe |
| 17:32.14 | Nidhoggr | naughty NOODLE! |
| 17:32.16 | larsl | Um, why not run a local server for that? |
| 17:32.40 | TyroneFHornigh | It's usually considered proper procedure to ask first, and use a lightly used server ;) |
| 17:33.04 | [dmp] | It isnt fun beeing able to fly, if nobody can see it? :) |
| 17:33.15 | TyroneFHornigh | f00m ......... |
| 17:33.17 | Nidhoggr | I unbanned. |
| 17:33.32 | Noodleman | sorry, won't hapen agian |
| 17:33.38 | Nidhoggr | good think ;) |
| 17:33.49 | TyroneFHornigh | He's using the old noodle again ;) |
| 17:37.20 | TyroneFHornigh | Can I get banned for having a poorly chosen callsign as well? ;) |
| 17:37.48 | Noodleman | on some servers you can :-) |
| 17:40.45 | Nidhoggr | I've banned a few people for refusing to change their callsign. :) |
| 17:40.58 | Nidhoggr | I just stuck a new map on dragon.org |
| 17:41.41 | TyroneFHornigh | Chances are there was something offensive in the callsign. Someone who just claims to be testing a cheat client probably should be given a warning/kick rather than immediately banned. |
| 17:41.55 | *** join/#bzflag Spiff (~Spiff@12-223-213-142.client.insightbb.com) |
| 17:42.29 | TyroneFHornigh | Unless they also claim to be spiff, or threaten to kick the admin in the shins. ;) |
| 17:42.42 | Spiff | Huh? LoL |
| 17:42.49 | Noodleman | heh |
| 17:43.43 | Nidhoggr | he left to quickly to warn |
| 17:43.48 | Nidhoggr | and I didn't want it coming back. |
| 17:43.49 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 17:44.04 | TyroneFHornigh | pat, spiff wants to learn more about kicks, could you accomodate him? |
| 17:44.07 | Noodleman | hey, i punched you in the eye last night, be careful before i do something drastic again |
| 17:44.22 | Spiff | LoL |
| 17:44.23 | Spiff | ;-) |
| 17:44.35 | Spiff | So... what was this? Another cheater or something? |
| 17:44.58 | Noodleman | i stupidly logged into Nidhoggr's server with a cheat client |
| 17:45.07 | Spiff | LoL |
| 17:45.12 | Spiff | Oops. |
| 17:45.18 | Spiff | Hehehehe |
| 17:45.37 | Noodleman | i left before anyone got killed tho |
| 17:45.55 | Spiff | That much is good. :-) |
| 17:46.06 | Nidhoggr | what did the cheat do? |
| 17:46.13 | TyroneFHornigh | So nid banned his IP address so he couldn't get back. ;) |
| 17:46.16 | Nidhoggr | the server seemed to pause for a minute or so. |
| 17:46.49 | Noodleman | shot fast shots and sw is supposed to cover the whole field |
| 17:46.57 | Nidhoggr | ah |
| 17:46.59 | Noodleman | but i think that must be determined on the client |
| 17:47.04 | Noodleman | the other clients |
| 17:47.05 | Noodleman | i mean |
| 17:47.06 | Spiff | Hmmm. The only cheat client I ever picked up was one that Raven or someone made. |
| 17:47.27 | TyroneFHornigh | So you claim, spiff. ;) |
| 17:47.30 | Spiff | But it seems flawed.. like the SW's don't always kill people. |
| 17:48.06 | Spiff | I had my bro take a looksie at it one night when he was playing.. and he said that I just sorta dropped mines. |
| 17:48.23 | Spiff | Dunno. Someone told me that that was a sign of a buggy client or something. |
| 17:48.39 | Spiff | So all it really does it jumps high, goes outside of boundaries, and "flys." |
| 17:49.01 | Spiff | I guess that could be classified as an acceptable cheat. LoL Ya can't kill anyone with it. ;-) |
| 17:49.41 | TyroneFHornigh | I don't think any cheat is acceptable. |
| 17:49.49 | Spiff | I was being sarcastic. ;-) |
| 17:49.56 | Nidhoggr | what's wrong patlabor? |
| 17:50.07 | TyroneFHornigh | pat is protecting his ethernet cable. |
| 17:50.16 | PatlaborTRIL | just more stupid human tricks, of the managerial sort |
| 17:50.20 | Spiff | Oh.. heya Patlabor. Didn't see you logged into IRC. :-) |
| 17:50.48 | Spiff | Okies... Spiffy's gonna go grab a bite. |
| 17:50.51 | Spiff | Back in a flash. |
| 17:51.02 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o Patlabor221] by ChanServ |
| 17:52.25 | TyroneFHornigh | What's the smiley for a pointy haired manager? <:{^\ |
| 17:52.54 | Patlabor221 | not even that, this is the middle manager who doesn't give a crap, and isn't even one of MY managers |
| 17:53.43 | Nidhoggr | hrm. |
| 17:53.44 | Patlabor221 | tho Techincaly I don't even have a "manager", I report to VP of Dev and Press. of Company directly |
| 18:02.44 | Bagheera | watch out when those stupid human tricks arrive.........layoffs are not far away |
| 18:04.00 | Patlabor221 | I know who is on the list to get canned if it came down to that |
| 18:16.17 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/misc (multilingualSwearList.txt): More Italian contributions by SGI |
| 18:16.49 | *** join/#bzflag brlcad (sean@chr160dhcp1675.chrchv01.md.comcast.net) |
| 18:19.49 | brlcad | Tim: do you know where it's segfaulting? |
| 18:20.23 | larsl | brlcad: Different places all the time. |
| 18:20.35 | larsl | Mostly in aggressiveFilter(). |
| 18:21.14 | brlcad | but not just when it loads the file and doesn't use it, I assume?? |
| 18:21.33 | larsl | No, no errors when loading. Only when the filter is used. |
| 18:21.52 | brlcad | were you able to check the memory usage last night on the latest sources? |
| 18:22.04 | brlcad | I assume this crashing is with the latest sources as well.. |
| 18:22.05 | larsl | Hm, which were the latest? |
| 18:22.20 | brlcad | What is in cvs now is the latest |
| 18:22.31 | larsl | =) |
| 18:22.39 | brlcad | e.g. are you using a snap? |
| 18:22.56 | brlcad | what are you using? |
| 18:23.01 | larsl | No, I'm using the latest CVS. |
| 18:23.10 | brlcad | hmm |
| 18:23.15 | larsl | I didn't know what you meant with "the latest last night". |
| 18:23.36 | brlcad | Ah. |
| 18:24.02 | brlcad | If you are using the latest CVS.. Were you able to check the memory usage last night :) |
| 18:24.17 | brlcad | I'm seeing less than 5mb in use |
| 18:24.26 | TyroneFHornigh | last night (EDT) or last night (CET)? |
| 18:25.09 | brlcad | IGT :) |
| 18:25.40 | TyroneFHornigh | UGT ? ;) |
| 18:25.45 | brlcad | ah, yes ;) |
| 18:26.04 | larsl | Without filter: 2420, with large filter: 20932, with small filter: 5424. |
| 18:26.16 | larsl | kB, I suppose. |
| 18:26.17 | brlcad | universal, international.. I don't think are next neighbors out in the galaxy are aware of UGT yet ;) |
| 18:27.03 | brlcad | and you're sure that's current cvs from last night? I can believe that with sources from 5 days ago or so.. |
| 18:27.17 | larsl | That's current CVS right now. |
| 18:27.41 | brlcad | hrm. that's funky. |
| 18:28.27 | brlcad | hard to debug a problem I can't observe :( |
| 18:29.44 | brlcad | Here's a though.. there's an std::set array in there that stores all of the filter words |
| 18:29.50 | brlcad | thought, that is |
| 18:30.17 | brlcad | the set is templated to hold a struct.. |
| 18:30.54 | brlcad | I malloc up a struct and add it to the set.. |
| 18:31.41 | brlcad | if the set is doing it's own magic and mallocing it's own space, or performing some sort of copy constructor on the struct, then I'd be using lots of wasted space.. |
| 18:32.18 | brlcad | I don't free the structs until the filter is destroyed |
| 18:32.32 | larsl | Aren't the STL containers always copying objects you put in them? |
| 18:33.32 | brlcad | Here's the definition: std::set<filter_t, expressionCompare> filters[MAX_FILTER_SETS]; |
| 18:37.49 | brlcad | Here's the struct: typedef struct filterStruct { |
| 18:37.51 | brlcad | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:37.51 | brlcad | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:37.51 | brlcad | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:45.33 | brlcad | eep.. i recant.. I malloc space for the compiled expression, not the whole filter_t.. |
| 18:46.16 | larsl | That should be OK, since the default copy constructor only copies the pointer to the regex_t. |
| 18:46.24 | brlcad | the filter is added via: filters[firstchar].insert(newFilter); // where newFilter is a local-scoped filter_t |
| 18:47.00 | brlcad | So I'm back to ground-zero with no leads |
| 18:47.43 | brlcad | maybe it's just a simple bounds check problem in aggressiveFilter().. doesn't explian the memory usage, but that may be unrelated |
| 18:48.05 | [dmp] | :) |
| 18:48.21 | TyroneFHornigh | Look in the mirror ;) |
| 18:48.31 | [dmp] | hehe |
| 18:49.10 | brlcad | nice recursion problem .. mirrors that reflect mirrors :) |
| 18:49.25 | [dmp] | reflection the reflection problem.. |
| 18:49.27 | [dmp] | darn :) |
| 18:49.37 | [dmp] | reflecting the reflection problem.. |
| 18:49.49 | [dmp] | darn, i can even write it :-) |
| 18:49.57 | [dmp] | CANT |
| 18:50.20 | *** part/#bzflag [dmp] (~dennis@D40A3023.rev.stofanet.dk) |
| 18:50.26 | TyroneFHornigh | Stand back, he's about to blow his stack ;{) |
| 18:50.27 | *** join/#bzflag [dmp] (~dennis@D40A3023.rev.stofanet.dk) |
| 18:56.09 | brlcad | did you dump core? |
| 18:57.24 | TyroneFHornigh | I doubt too many people have ever seen core. ;) |
| 18:58.56 | CIA | 03larsl * 12bzflag/src/common (WordFilter.cxx): Make room for terminating \0, use strcpy to copy it, still crashing though |
| 19:00.41 | Bagheera | Isnt that kinda like leprechauns? |
| 19:01.33 | brlcad | hrm.. memcpy is much faster, but it shouldn't be a problem since it's only called once per filter |
| 19:01.52 | Spiff | Wow. That was a long lunch break. :-) |
| 19:01.57 | larsl | It is? We could use memcpy instead, it doesn't really matter. |
| 19:02.10 | larsl | I just wanted to be sure that the \0 was copied too. =) |
| 19:02.36 | brlcad | strcpy has to minimally check the length of the to and from strings |
| 19:02.53 | brlcad | memcpy is often a single instruction |
| 19:03.21 | larsl | strcpy doesn't check that. |
| 19:03.29 | brlcad | but I was missing the terminating null |
| 19:04.22 | brlcad | but it does.. it copies until copy char on input or output is 0 (which is effectively checking the length) |
| 19:04.33 | larsl | Ah, yeah, the source string, sorry. |
| 19:04.48 | larsl | I read in the manual that it didn't check the destination string, mixed it up. |
| 19:06.15 | brlcad | er, yea.. I'm confusing it with strcmp too ;) |
| 19:10.52 | larsl | It seems to handle short messages well, and messages without bad words, but long messages with bad words make it crash. |
| 19:15.47 | bryjen | i used bzadmin to cat the whole multilingual list to the server the other day. |
| 19:16.30 | bryjen | it ran for a while ;) and mem usage fluctuated a bit, but not too much |
| 19:17.28 | bryjen | ~spell fluctuate |
| 19:17.32 | | 'fluctuate' may be spelled correctly |
| 19:18.07 | brlcad | lol |
| 19:18.14 | brlcad | did it "work"? |
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| 19:18.33 | bryjen | it appeared to |
| 19:18.41 | brlcad | that's a good test.. I'll have to try that =) |
| 19:18.52 | bryjen | lotsa !@#$ echoed back |
| 19:19.00 | brlcad | maybe try feeding it /dev/random for a while too :) |
| 19:20.03 | brlcad | bryjen: what's your system? linux? |
| 19:21.47 | bryjen | yes |
| 19:22.21 | bryjen | i was getting bzfs crashed on disconnect with bzadmin |
| 19:23.34 | bryjen | $ echo "hello\\ngoodbye\\n" | bzadmin me@mybzfs |
| 19:23.40 | bryjen | and bzfs would segfault |
| 19:26.14 | brlcad | stack trace? |
| 19:26.38 | brlcad | tail -f /var/log/kernel.log & |
| 19:26.42 | brlcad | eep :) |
| 19:27.17 | bryjen | hmm |
| 19:27.47 | *** join/#bzflag MrCooper (~daenzer@dclient80-218-117-230.hispeed.ch) |
| 19:28.01 | brlcad | ignore that tail blooper.. now where did I put that other terminal... |
| 19:28.28 | bryjen | erg. it _was_ doing that fairly repeatably. ive updated ... |
| 19:29.50 | Nidhoggr | well, house voted to keep do-not-call list. senate votes on similar measure this afternoon. |
| 19:30.10 | Nidhoggr | 412-8 |
| 19:30.12 | Nidhoggr | heh |
| 19:32.14 | Noodleman | hehe |
| 19:32.17 | Noodleman | now, if they could figure out something to take care of spam |
| 19:32.36 | Nidhoggr | I'm sure that womn't be far behind |
| 19:32.53 | Noodleman | i have a solution |
| 19:33.09 | Noodleman | it's called: "testicular malletosis" |
| 19:33.15 | Noodleman | whack! |
| 19:33.18 | Nidhoggr | hahahaha |
| 19:35.52 | bryjen | so only women could get away with spamming? |
| 19:36.34 | Nidhoggr | what really gets me is that spammers are DOSing RBL lists off the net. why aren't the open relays being DOSed off the net? |
| 19:37.13 | *** join/#bzflag MrCooper (~daenzer@dclient80-218-117-230.hispeed.ch) |
| 19:37.16 | Noodleman | well, i guess then there would be a proliferation of female spammers |
| 19:47.10 | Nidhoggr | ~bzflist |
| 19:48.20 | *** join/#bzflag jolly (~k@jvnineteen.ne.client2.attbi.com) |
| 19:48.45 | Nidhoggr | cool. someone's playing the new dragon.org map. |
| 19:54.00 | Bagheera | played it, need to play it again to see what is going on.........very wide open...........is there anything within the center pyramid |
| 19:54.38 | Nidhoggr | I don't think so. it's a map from a user. I decided to throw it up there for fun, to see how people liked it. |
| 19:55.42 | Nidhoggr | I kind of like wide open maps. |
| 19:56.09 | Nidhoggr | but I'll put up anything that is interesting. |
| 19:57.44 | bryjen | Ah-hah! finally it does segfault ah-gain! |
| 19:58.55 | bryjen | ~seen brlcad |
| 19:58.56 | | brlcad is currently on #bzflag (1h 42m 7s). Has said a total of 49 messages. Is idling for 30m 55s |
| 20:00.40 | brlcad | I'm here, mostly distracted, though |
| 20:02.11 | *** join/#bzflag asdf_home (~user@125.174.33.65.cfl.rr.com) |
| 20:02.19 | asdf_home | morning |
| 20:03.02 | jolly | hi |
| 20:04.17 | asdf_home | hello jolly |
| 20:04.27 | asdf_home | how are you? |
| 20:04.46 | jolly | not bad and yourself? |
| 20:04.53 | asdf_home | getting along |
| 20:05.08 | jolly | cool |
| 20:05.19 | asdf_home | do you do any development work on bzflag or just here chat? |
| 20:05.39 | jolly | chat :) |
| 20:05.49 | asdf_home | same here |
| 20:06.35 | asdf_home | you use windows or linux? |
| 20:06.40 | jolly | windows |
| 20:06.43 | jolly | you? |
| 20:07.06 | asdf_home | linux |
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| 20:19.39 | Nidhoggr | has there been any headway on a way to share userlists between servers? |
| 20:20.03 | larsl | Can't that be done now? |
| 20:20.19 | Nidhoggr | how would you do that now? |
| 20:20.27 | Nidhoggr | servers on different machines. |
| 20:20.34 | larsl | Ah, different machines. |
| 20:20.57 | Nidhoggr | okay... here's a question.... |
| 20:21.13 | larsl | I don't think anyone has worked on that. If you can store them on a single machine and use NFS or FTPFS or something like that, it should work. |
| 20:21.19 | Nidhoggr | if I was to nfs mount the drives, can 2 servers access the user files and still have them be safe? |
| 20:21.40 | larsl | I haven't really looked at that code. |
| 20:21.42 | Nidhoggr | that's the question of the hour, then. :) |
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| 20:21.57 | larsl | Who did the user/group code? Patlabor221? |
| 20:21.58 | bryjen | no |
| 20:21.59 | Nidhoggr | because, if that'd work, I can do that. |
| 20:22.03 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 20:22.08 | Nidhoggr | others helped a bit. |
| 20:22.18 | sn0w_m0nkey | HOW |
| 20:22.21 | sn0w_m0nkey | as my people would say :) |
| 20:22.59 | bryjen | yes, Patlabor221 did that. and no, more than one bzfs process using the same files doesn't work well |
| 20:23.38 | Nidhoggr | need a database connector or a service for users. |
| 20:24.00 | Nidhoggr | I know they were talking about linking listserver to a user list thing. |
| 20:24.23 | Nidhoggr | but I'd rather the userlist part was configurable, since I'm looking at running up to 4 servers on 2 different machines. |
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| 20:24.33 | larsl | Or just lock the files when a server is reading/writing them so only one server can open the file simultaneously. |
| 20:25.00 | larsl | And maybe use some file monitoring to reload them when they have changed. |
| 20:25.04 | bryjen | there are synchronization issues if more than one can write to the files |
| 20:25.54 | Nidhoggr | locking and syncing shouldn't be too hard to make work. |
| 20:25.57 | bryjen | pat hacked in a manual /reload command |
| 20:28.21 | larsl | ~spell simultaneously |
| 20:28.21 | | 'simultaneously' may be spelled correctly |
| 20:28.23 | Nidhoggr | I could write a script that keeps an eye on the file, and makes bzadmin join and do a /reload |
| 20:29.11 | larsl | Can a filed be opened for writing by several processes at the same time? |
| 20:29.17 | larsl | s/filed/file/ |
| 20:29.28 | Nidhoggr | that's not wise. |
| 20:29.28 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 20:29.32 | captain_proton | larsl: technically i believe it can |
| 20:29.38 | captain_proton | at least on some operating systems |
| 20:29.39 | bryjen | should be able to. with byte-range locking |
| 20:29.46 | Nidhoggr | that's true. |
| 20:29.50 | larsl | I was hoping that the OS would prevent it. |
| 20:30.03 | Nidhoggr | how hard would it be for the userlist to be a mysql database? |
| 20:30.27 | bryjen | you should be able to open it for write and specify lock out other writers |
| 20:30.33 | captain_proton | probably not extremely difficult |
| 20:30.55 | captain_proton | byte-range locking doesn't work too well if you're deleting entries |
| 20:30.59 | captain_proton | or changing sizes of things |
| 20:31.12 | bryjen | sha, you'd need fixed sized fields |
| 20:31.55 | bryjen | and you'd just be able to mark areas "deleted" and not actually removed them (but the could be reused later) |
| 20:33.50 | bryjen | Nidhoggr: i think pat tried to lay out the functions so they could be replaced by ones that used something other than text files for storage. just needs someone to write the code :) |
| 20:34.59 | larsl | People were talking about making one of the servers the 'master' and let the other servers connect to it to send and receive user/group updates. |
| 20:35.27 | Nidhoggr | I think the master should be configurable for each server. |
| 20:35.40 | asdf_home | wouldn't it just be easier to use a database backend for all that? |
| 20:35.41 | captain_proton | larsl: thats an easier solution, just requires some sort of fam gizmo |
| 20:36.46 | larsl | FAM? For the master or the slaves? |
| 20:36.46 | Nidhoggr | yeah.. I think that specifying a mysql server, and username/password, would be easiest logistically. |
| 20:37.07 | captain_proton | larsl: fam is a daemon on irix - file alteration monitor |
| 20:37.10 | bryjen | making a master than writes the files, and the slaves only read them. that broke down over where/how the slaves check if the files changed |
| 20:37.20 | asdf_home | use something like mysql. tables could be set up easily and served up to multiple servers since the database does its own record locking |
| 20:37.50 | captain_proton | asdf_home: there's some concern over latency with that |
| 20:38.17 | asdf_home | you want something that has a faster response time? |
| 20:38.26 | larsl | bryjen: The master could have an open TCP connection to all slaves, and pass all updates over those. Only the master needs to know where the files are. |
| 20:38.31 | captain_proton | its mostly just that communication with the database is a blocking operation |
| 20:39.36 | bryjen | larsl: that'd work too. i was just repeating what had been discussed before. |
| 20:39.52 | captain_proton | if we had a nice threading system, it wouldn't be an issue |
| 20:40.05 | asdf_home | i see. although writing your own would speed up the connection and response times, for multiple server to connect to something like that, latency times will always play a factor especially if servers from different parts of the world are using it. |
| 20:47.43 | *** join/#bzflag Tupone (~Tupone@ppp-82-84-126-207.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) |
| 20:49.49 | TimRiker | just add user/password handling to bzfls |
| 20:50.17 | TimRiker | then have the client connect to bzfls send user/password and get a "token" |
| 20:50.40 | TimRiker | client then passes that "token" to a public server and the server verifies with bzfls |
| 20:50.49 | Nidhoggr | can you set bzfls to report to a master list server for server lists? |
| 20:51.08 | TimRiker | huh? bzfls is a master list server. |
| 20:51.18 | Nidhoggr | how to explain? |
| 20:51.36 | Nidhoggr | say i want to have a central place for my 4 servers to id users. |
| 20:51.41 | Nidhoggr | and i set up a bzfls |
| 20:51.43 | TimRiker | as in bzfls call a bzfs for user/password info? |
| 20:51.56 | TimRiker | bad idea. dependany loop. |
| 20:52.24 | Nidhoggr | the idea is that I want to share userbases between my 4 servers. |
| 20:52.26 | TimRiker | just move the user/pass/group into bzfls. local bzfs info can override the public info. |
| 20:52.44 | TimRiker | share em between all the servers. |
| 20:53.19 | Nidhoggr | not everyone is going to agree on who they trust, and for me to have to set up 4 different exceptions would be more of a pain than it currently is. |
| 20:53.34 | TimRiker | permisions can still be granted for the 4 servers for given public users. |
| 20:53.51 | Nidhoggr | hrm. I have an idea. |
| 20:54.01 | TimRiker | edit the group/permissions files on one and propagate to the others with rsync/etc. |
| 20:54.04 | Nidhoggr | bzfls is central userbase perms. |
| 20:54.19 | captain_proton | TimRiker: isn't that a little dependent on the bzfls stuff discussed at that silly meeting thingy? |
| 20:54.37 | Nidhoggr | each server or server group can set a user's perms for that server group on bzfls |
| 20:54.53 | bryjen | bzfls stores/verifies username+password. local bzfs files store locally defined groups and permissions. |
| 20:55.01 | TimRiker | captain_proton: certianly dependant on bzfls, but then all the servers and clients talk to bzfls anyway. |
| 20:55.04 | Nidhoggr | so bzfls stores generic user info, and specific server settings for that user. |
| 20:55.22 | captain_proton | ah, ok, i see what you guys are cooking up |
| 20:55.47 | TimRiker | Nidhoggr: I do think server admins (at least) should be able to create/modify groups on the central server. |
| 20:56.08 | TimRiker | then on the local you can say NidhoggrAdmins have admin access on this server. |
| 20:56.35 | Nidhoggr | and how would you make it so that only my servers could modify NidhoggrAdmins? |
| 20:56.38 | TimRiker | and Nidhoggr would be the admin for the NidhoggrAdmin group. |
| 20:56.56 | Nidhoggr | cuz it's a good idea. |
| 20:57.09 | TimRiker | Nidhoggr: you could admin it from any server, but it only does anything on servers that trust that group. |
| 20:57.09 | bryjen | ah. global groups would have "owners" then |
| 20:57.17 | TimRiker | bryjen: yes. |
| 20:57.24 | TimRiker | same for clans, etc. |
| 20:57.38 | TimRiker | one body is the designated owner of each group. |
| 20:57.51 | Nidhoggr | would would keep someone else from adding a person to the NidhoggrAdmins group? I'm still foggy. |
| 20:58.11 | TimRiker | central server only accepts modifications from that nick. though anyone could query it. |
| 20:58.23 | larsl | You could send your authorization info (password, public key, whatever) when adding people. |
| 20:58.24 | Nidhoggr | ah cool |
| 20:59.21 | TimRiker | and create more if you like. NidhoggrKickers NidhoggrRestarters NidhoggrTeamCaptians, whatever. |
| 20:59.29 | Nidhoggr | right |
| 20:59.33 | TimRiker | TimRikerXmissionAdmins, etc. |
| 21:00.15 | Nidhoggr | cuz I'm getting close to starting up 4 servers. I just need to get a few things taken care of, business-wise. :) |
| 21:00.30 | Nidhoggr | like renegotiating my bandwidth prices. :) |
| 21:02.50 | TimRiker | right now I'm running a 1.7 bzfls, but I'm willing to move to a 1.9, or run 2 in parallel, whatever we need. |
| 21:03.20 | TimRiker | could even run 2 on the same machine on different ports to work on some redundancy code. |
| 21:03.23 | Nidhoggr | and I'm willing to help, too. |
| 21:04.56 | bryjen | the code now allows for more than one list server. i think i tried it a while back. |
| 21:05.30 | larsl | If bzfls is going to handle groups and users too we should probably try to add one or two more servers on different machines, that synchronize their data every now and then. |
| 21:05.58 | Nidhoggr | I agree, larsl. |
| 21:06.05 | Nidhoggr | redundency is good. |
| 21:10.52 | TimRiker | probably want a master/slave bzfls relationship. all updates go to one, queries can come from either. |
| 21:11.23 | TimRiker | means that things like server generated tokens should contain the bzfls url so that checking goes back to the right place. |
| 21:11.43 | Nidhoggr | good idea, tim. |
| 21:11.51 | larsl | And if the master server goes down, people will just have to wait a while with changing groups and registering users. |
| 21:24.10 | *** join/#bzflag triclops (~triclops@203-219-160-62-nsw.tpgi.com.au) |
| 21:26.45 | Spiff | Yo tri. |
| 21:26.52 | triclops | gidday |
| 21:27.02 | Spiff | How's it goin'? |
| 21:27.25 | triclops | not bad. just woke up... |
| 21:27.38 | Spiff | Wow. What time is it there? :-) |
| 21:27.48 | triclops | 0727 |
| 21:28.16 | Spiff | Wow. It's 16:27 here. :-) |
| 21:28.46 | triclops | hehe, gotta love living on a sphere :-) |
| 21:29.33 | Spiff | Hehehe.. totally. It's a lil' chilly up here in my part of the sphere. Perfect weather to work out in though.. and since my garage isn't insulated... yay. :-) |
| 21:30.44 | TyroneFHornigh | Remember spiff, it's tomorrow out there. ;) |
| 21:31.12 | triclops | +10 from GMT |
| 21:31.29 | triclops | on the cutting edge of time |
| 21:31.33 | TyroneFHornigh | a man ahead of our time ;) |
| 21:31.58 | TyroneFHornigh | I'm just behind the times (GMT-7) |
| 21:32.01 | Spiff | Yepperz. |
| 21:32.05 | Spiff | I'm -5 GMT. |
| 21:32.24 | Spiff | I love having a PC right next to my garage. :-) |
| 21:32.33 | triclops | hehe. anyways i gotta get ready to head out |
| 21:32.40 | Spiff | I can do weight sets.. and then come back here. Hehe. |
| 21:32.47 | Spiff | C-ya later tri. :-) |
| 21:33.10 | triclops | hehe, ciao |
| 21:33.23 | TyroneFHornigh | Get one with a voice interface, and you won't even have to get up from the weights. ;) |
| 21:33.37 | brlcad | triclops, where is here? |
| 21:33.39 | Spiff | I'm already up from 'em. Hehe. I'm doing curls. |
| 21:33.47 | larsl | "LEFT LEFT JUMP SHOOT JUMP JUMP JUMP!!!" |
| 21:34.08 | Spiff | Tri is in "the land down under." |
| 21:34.26 | brlcad | ah, antarctica.. :) |
| 21:34.29 | TyroneFHornigh | larsl is running a cheat client, he can jump while in the air ;) |
| 21:34.34 | Spiff | LoL learner |
| 21:34.44 | Spiff | Heheheh JB. |
| 21:35.41 | TyroneFHornigh | brlcad: Where the beer does flow, and the men chunder |
| 21:36.15 | triclops | do you hear the thunder? |
| 21:36.34 | brlcad | my belly? |
| 21:36.38 | TyroneFHornigh | you better run |
| 21:36.39 | brlcad | I'm hungry |
| 21:37.07 | brlcad | and the beer does flow there :) MMMmmm |
| 21:37.18 | TyroneFHornigh | Fosters |
| 21:37.28 | triclops | no one drinks that |
| 21:37.55 | TyroneFHornigh | I would hope not, but the American media calls it "Australian for beer" |
| 21:38.10 | TyroneFHornigh | or maybe it's the Fosters ad folks ;) |
| 21:38.59 | triclops | hehe, fosters teaming up with our tourism agencies me thinks |
| 21:41.33 | brlcad | heh, jb being cautious on tarnishing the image of "American media" is just funny |
| 21:42.19 | brlcad | getting a good workout? |
| 21:42.29 | Spiff | Me or tri? LoL |
| 21:42.32 | TyroneFHornigh | There's nothing I can do which would further tarnish the image of "American media". They've done it all themselves. ;) |
| 21:42.37 | Spiff | I'm lifting weights and he's running. ;-) |
| 21:44.11 | bryjen | hmm. i thought multiple list server worked last time i tried it. only seems to try the first one now. |
| 21:44.25 | Spiff | I've been pyramiding. Starting at around 70lbs I think. Ending around 110. Geez that's heavy.. with only one minute breaks.. :-) |
| 21:45.04 | bryjen | and having an http url with a port # doesn't seem to work... |
| 21:46.58 | larsl | http? |
| 21:47.21 | larsl | The default list server list is a http URL with a port number. |
| 21:48.11 | bryjen | -list default put http://BZFlag.SourceForge.net/list-server.txt in ~/.bzflag |
| 21:48.19 | bryjen | no port number there |
| 21:48.37 | larsl | Oh. |
| 21:48.40 | larsl | Hrm. |
| 21:49.46 | bryjen | i had a http server running on 8080 and i was trying to get bzflag to fetch a file that contained to bzflist:// urls, on for list.bzflag.org and one of a machine running bzfls here |
| 21:51.00 | Chestal | quake hitting Japan: 03/09/25 19:50:08 42.17N 143.72E 33.0 8.0M A HOKKAIDO, JAPAN REGION |
| 21:51.15 | bryjen | i switched the http server to the normal port 80 |
| 21:51.21 | Chestal | earthquake, that is |
| 21:52.02 | brlcad | is that 8 on the richter scale? |
| 21:52.10 | Chestal | yep |
| 21:52.24 | brlcad | wow |
| 21:52.35 | Chestal | more or less odl news though, 2 hours ago. 2 smaller quakes followed in the 7-8 range |
| 21:54.43 | CIA | 03atupone * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (RobotPlayer.cxx): When no path from robot to target just stop robot. Hope bot on building gone! |
| 21:55.49 | larsl | What's the bzfs option to select list server directly (without getting a list over http)? |
| 21:56.14 | Spiff | Geez.. I feel like this is a holiday or something. Nobody's home. Bah! |
| 21:56.18 | Tupone | -publiclist ... |
| 21:56.25 | Spiff | Methinks I'm just gonna take a looooooooooooooooooooooong bike ride. Back in a bit. |
| 21:56.57 | larsl | Tupone: Is that both for the list server list and for the actual list server? |
| 21:57.04 | Tupone | larsl: not sure! |
| 21:57.39 | bryjen | -publiclist bzflist://list.bzflag.org:5156/ |
| 21:58.18 | larsl | Ah, bzflist://. I was using bzfls://. |
| 21:58.20 | Tupone | Advertise this server on the bzfls servers listed at url. |
| 21:59.11 | Tupone | seems an url where bzlist server are listed |
| 21:59.28 | larsl | But it seems to work with a real list server too. |
| 22:00.42 | *** join/#bzflag Noodleman (~tuckerm@adsl-66-72-31-103.dsl.kntpin.ameritech.net) |
| 22:04.50 | bryjen | odd. with bzfs 1.9 i have to put the port on the -publicaddr option, or bzfls doesn't connect back |
| 22:05.07 | bryjen | even if i didn't override the default server port |
| 22:05.08 | Tupone | 'cause the default is 5155 |
| 22:05.21 | Tupone | for bzfls |
| 22:05.22 | larsl | And bzfs 1.9 uses 5154 by default. |
| 22:05.23 | bryjen | i'm running bzfls from the 1.9 tree too |
| 22:05.32 | larsl | bzfls hasn't changed. |
| 22:05.44 | bryjen | ah |
| 22:05.47 | Tupone | bzfls should work for both 1.7 and 1.9 |
| 22:07.46 | Chestal | more or less |
| 22:08.08 | Tupone | larsl: just looking at the code: http:// is dereferenced to found a bzflist:// -- bzflist:// is not |
| 22:09.50 | bryjen | it appears to stop at the first bzflist:// |
| 22:12.00 | Tupone | from the code: it seems to support more then one. |
| 22:12.04 | bryjen | even if the first one doesn't work |
| 22:12.40 | Tupone | 'til 5 |
| 22:13.03 | Tupone | I think you should put all in the http:// file |
| 22:13.56 | Tupone | I suppose: never used -> bugged |
| 22:14.30 | bryjen | i've pointed bzflag client at a http:// file that contains bzflist://local.server.name:5000/ bzflist://list.bzflag.org:5156 , but it doesnt seem to get past the local one |
| 22:15.09 | Tupone | you mean bzfs? |
| 22:15.47 | Tupone | I'm looking at bzfs :-) |
| 22:16.42 | Tupone | 1 bzfs can register to 5 bzfls |
| 22:17.05 | Tupone | have to see bzflag! |
| 22:17.17 | bryjen | $ bzflag -list http://www.local/text.txt |
| 22:17.19 | bryjen | http://www.local/text.txt = |
| 22:17.20 | bryjen | bzflist://bzfls.local:5000/ |
| 22:17.22 | bryjen | bzflist://list.bzflag.org:5156/ |
| 22:17.47 | bryjen | ah. i'm trying with the client |
| 22:18.29 | bryjen | trying to see if the client will ask more than one bzfls for a list |
| 22:22.10 | [dmp] | Good night, keep up the good work |
| 22:22.29 | bryjen | hmm. looks like bzfs only uses the first one as well |
| 22:24.15 | larsl | It looks like both bzflag and bzfs is at least supposed to handle several list servers. |
| 22:30.47 | *** join/#bzflag Bagheera (~Bagheera@h-68-165-122-98.MCLNVA23.covad.net) |
| 22:30.57 | Bagheera | ~seen Nidhoggr |
| 22:30.58 | | nidhoggr is currently on #bzflag (4d 13h 22m 51s). Has said a total of 327 messages. Is idling for 1h 19m 15s |
| 22:30.59 | Nidhoggr | some people never learn. |
| 22:31.00 | Nidhoggr | Logging Player KnightMare [2] tank too fast (tank: 150.000983, allowed: 30.720514){Dead or v[z] != 0} |
| 22:31.01 | Nidhoggr | Logging Player KnightMare [2] tank too fast (tank: 150.000492, allowed: 30.720514){Dead or v[z] != 0} |
| 22:31.16 | Bagheera | hehe, speak of the de......dragon |
| 22:31.22 | TyroneFHornigh | Some people never learn. |
| 22:31.33 | larsl | Jumping and speeding in the air? |
| 22:34.40 | TyroneFHornigh | That was a quick nap. |
| 22:37.47 | *** part/#bzflag drinian (~drinian@pcp153139pcs.hamntn01.nj.comcast.net) |
| 22:41.39 | TimRiker | so we need to setup 2 1.9 bzfls servers at some point and test it. |
| 22:42.13 | TimRiker | the right number of bzfls servers is at least 2 and probably less than 5 |
| 22:42.34 | Nidhoggr | nod. if you want me to run one, just let me know. i can set it up. |
| 22:42.59 | TimRiker | I've got a few boxes I can run them on. not a problem. |
| 22:43.04 | Nidhoggr | okie. |
| 22:43.26 | TyroneFHornigh | Tim, Do you have more than one connection? |
| 22:43.39 | TimRiker | the bzflist: bugs me. I'm considering having everything be http: |
| 22:43.53 | Nidhoggr | secretplace just had a client connect that reset everyone's connection |
| 22:44.09 | TimRiker | TyroneFHornigh: no, but I have accounts on more boxes around the net. root on quite a few. |
| 22:44.38 | larsl | Nidhoggr: Did you get anything logged? |
| 22:44.56 | Nidhoggr | Player Tiago [4] has joined from 213.13.254.189:1085 on 13 |
| 22:44.56 | Nidhoggr | Player d:oP [8] on 16 removed: |
| 22:44.56 | Nidhoggr | Player pop [13] on 20 removed: ECONNRESET/EPIPE |
| 22:44.56 | Nidhoggr | Player londonboi2k3 [21] on 28 removed: ECONNRESET/EPIPE |
| 22:44.56 | Nidhoggr | Player brian [16] on 24 removed: ECONNRESET/EPIPE |
| 22:44.56 | Nidhoggr | Player Frank_Castle [20] on 27 removed: ECONNRESET/EPIPE |
| 22:44.58 | Nidhoggr | Player SiLvA-LaMa [14] on 21 removed: ECONNRESET/EPIPE |
| 22:45.00 | TyroneFHornigh | It's nice having the redundancy of separate connections. |
| 22:45.02 | Nidhoggr | and about 10 more of those. |
| 22:45.54 | TyroneFHornigh | Is there anything in the syslog as well? |
| 22:45.57 | Spiff | That was quite a bike ride. :-) |
| 22:46.06 | larsl | ~nslookup 213.13.254.189 |
| 22:46.33 | TimRiker | Nidhoggr: hmm. that shows them all dropping rather than the server dropping them. |
| 22:47.05 | TyroneFHornigh | or something happened to the network connections, which is why I was wondering about syslog. |
| 22:47.25 | Nidhoggr | nothing in the syslogs. |
| 22:48.09 | TyroneFHornigh | The connection from tiago might just be coincidence. |
| 22:48.12 | TimRiker | I'm thinking of doing the 1.9 list in a pure http manner. |
| 22:48.21 | larsl | Makes sense. |
| 22:48.35 | TimRiker | http://list.bzflag.org:80/servers to get the servers... |
| 22:48.42 | TyroneFHornigh | It would make it easy to debug. Just bring up a browser. |
| 22:49.00 | larsl | The client makes a HTTP GET request to get the list now too, right? |
| 22:49.05 | Nidhoggr | since I'm in the NOC where the network is connected, I didn't see anything happen network-wise. |
| 22:49.11 | TimRiker | http://list.bzflag.org:80/player?token=0x12345678 to get player info checked, etc. |
| 22:49.35 | TimRiker | larsl: no. you can do a http get request, but the client does a LIST request. |
| 22:50.19 | larsl | Ah. |
| 22:50.40 | TimRiker | bzflag/bzfs should handle redirects on those requests. |
| 22:50.58 | TyroneFHornigh | That also makes it easy to tie it into a mysql backend. |
| 22:51.05 | larsl | If it's pure HTTP, the list server could be implemented in Perl or PHP. |
| 22:51.22 | TimRiker | my thought was to have multiple IPs for list.bzflag.org but that does not uniquely identify the master (where updates should happen) vs the query hosts. |
| 22:52.06 | TimRiker | larsl: that would be fine with me. can't run on SF though cause they don't allow outgoing connections from the web farm and we do need to check for connectivity on each server. |
| 22:52.35 | TimRiker | should check for udp connectivity too and indicate that. |
| 22:52.37 | larsl | I don't know how much slower it would be than a compiled language though. |
| 22:53.22 | TimRiker | not a whole lot of traffic on bzfls, and it's very web like anyway (comes in spurts) so php or modperl etc would be fine. |
| 22:53.38 | TyroneFHornigh | For what it does, it won't make a large difference. The network transfers will probably overwhelm the processing time anyway. |
| 22:53.46 | TimRiker | still has the issue with checking servers before posting, but perhaps that could just lag on the request? |
| 22:54.16 | TimRiker | ie: get and ADD: example.com:5154 and let the cgi request hang while we test back to example:5154 |
| 22:54.42 | Bagheera | night all |
| 22:55.12 | TimRiker | with the user database and karma systems going in, I think users will want to be able to see info on web pages anyway. |
| 22:55.17 | TimRiker | php might be the way to go. |
| 22:55.18 | TyroneFHornigh | nid, I can't come up with a scenario for what might have happened. It sounds like something occurred on the network connection, which caused all clients to drop/be dropped. Unfortunately, there's not enough information to determine where it might have occurred. |
| 22:55.31 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 22:55.36 | Nidhoggr | I've never seen it before. |
| 22:55.48 | Nidhoggr | it could have been some form of DOS, but who knows. |
| 22:55.55 | Nidhoggr | nothing in netstat. |
| 22:56.07 | TimRiker | Nidhoggr: got mrtg or similar tracking net traffic? |
| 22:56.38 | TimRiker | http://list.bzflag.org/eth1.html for example. |
| 22:56.39 | Nidhoggr | yup |
| 22:56.51 | Nidhoggr | mrtg.tiphareth.net :) |
| 22:57.22 | TimRiker | http://stats.xmission.com/cricket/grapher.cgi?target=%2Fcore-interfaces%2Ffastethernet7_22;view=Octets <- xmission |
| 22:57.23 | Nidhoggr | was a pretty radical drop. |
| 22:58.01 | TimRiker | no spike before the drop? |
| 22:58.27 | Nidhoggr | nope. not that doesn't match number of players. |
| 23:00.37 | larsl | ~bzfquery glasstowers.homelinux.net:20000 |
| 23:02.28 | TimRiker | perhaps have two dns names... master.bzflag.org and slaves.bzflag.org ? where slaves might include the master too... |
| 23:04.22 | TimRiker | could have a separate name for each slave too so "tokens" would be slave01/0x12345678 |
| 23:05.26 | TimRiker | slaves.bzflag.org would include slave0-slave5 or similar. single digit should be enough. it's not hardcoded in the clients/bzfs anyway, just master.b.o and slave.b.o |
| 23:05.47 | TimRiker | well. gotta run. |
| 23:06.26 | Spiff | Jiggity jog. |
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