| 00:02.34 | larsl | World.cxx:94: warning: unused parameter `void*userData' |
| 00:02.40 | larsl | make[2]: *** [World.o] Error 1 |
| 00:02.40 | learner | patlabor221: idea/question: what do you think about separating libcommon into two libraries? one for "front-end" bz-specific-yet-cross-binary-useful code, and one basic utility class (that could be used for any app) |
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| 00:03.24 | patlabor221 | like puting the bzdb and those components into a "utils" lib? |
| 00:03.32 | learner | yes |
| 00:03.36 | Spiff | Uh oh. Who let that black panther in here? :-) |
| 00:03.49 | patlabor221 | it sounds good to me |
| 00:03.56 | patlabor221 | tho I would not do it for 1.10 |
| 00:04.01 | learner | and things like Player into the front-end |
| 00:04.04 | patlabor221 | I would wait for 1.11 unless you have a dire need. |
| 00:04.14 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 00:04.20 | patlabor221 | common is the catchall now |
| 00:04.53 | larsl | Separating Player, Shot etc from the GL-dependent code is not fun. |
| 00:05.09 | patlabor221 | I concur, but it needs to be done at some point |
| 00:05.13 | larsl | Absolutely. |
| 00:05.57 | patlabor221 | there shoudl be a Worldstate class, a game logic class, and a 3d engine class. then each app is build on top of those |
| 00:06.00 | patlabor221 | taking what they need |
| 00:06.04 | patlabor221 | and net classes and stuff |
| 00:06.05 | learner | Player wasn't any trouble, i just did it |
| 00:06.21 | patlabor221 | so server could keep a world and a gamesate around |
| 00:06.31 | learner | I'm thinking some diagrams are in order |
| 00:06.50 | larsl | doxygen! |
| 00:07.06 | patlabor221 | that only docs existing code, not design |
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| 00:07.15 | learner | I wonder how many dev'ers have access to photoshop.. |
| 00:07.16 | patlabor221 | we need boxes and lines and arrows and stuff |
| 00:07.22 | patlabor221 | me |
| 00:07.30 | patlabor221 | and illustrator |
| 00:07.36 | learner | gimp can handle psd's right? |
| 00:07.42 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 00:07.44 | larsl | Hm, CIA is dead. |
| 00:07.51 | patlabor221 | I can make it a PDF as well |
| 00:07.53 | learner | Illustrator would be better, but that's an even smaller community I think |
| 00:08.04 | larsl | What's Illistrator? |
| 00:08.06 | learner | (I'm thinking of a read/write format) |
| 00:08.09 | larsl | s/i/u/ |
| 00:08.18 | patlabor221 | EPS files are read/writen by a LOT of apps |
| 00:08.29 | learner | editable.. |
| 00:08.51 | patlabor221 | should be |
| 00:09.06 | patlabor221 | what vector art apps are there on linux? |
| 00:09.26 | patlabor221 | EPS is one of the most standard formats for that. |
| 00:09.36 | larsl | xfig perhaps. |
| 00:09.41 | patlabor221 | hell ghost view would even read them |
| 00:09.42 | learner | open office "probably" does, but I'm not positive |
| 00:10.08 | learner | but we need something we can throw into cvs and let people edit |
| 00:10.25 | learner | that's why pdf and ps don't work so hot |
| 00:11.12 | patlabor221 | yeah that's why I'm thinkin EPS |
| 00:11.16 | larsl | What about SVG? |
| 00:11.22 | patlabor221 | what is that? |
| 00:11.30 | patlabor221 | I'd prefer a vecoor format |
| 00:11.39 | larsl | Simple Vector Graphics, or something like that. |
| 00:11.54 | learner | scaleable |
| 00:11.58 | larsl | OK. |
| 00:12.05 | patlabor221 | what reads/writes it? |
| 00:12.21 | larsl | sodipodi handles SVG. I've never used it, so I don't know how good it is. |
| 00:12.46 | patlabor221 | I can do SVG and SVG2 |
| 00:13.41 | patlabor221 | tho it seems I can't read it, odd |
| 00:14.06 | learner | illustrator has support to read/write it |
| 00:14.23 | patlabor221 | I see it in export, but not in open or place |
| 00:15.16 | patlabor221 | just opens it as text |
| 00:15.22 | patlabor221 | tho I only have illustrator 9 |
| 00:15.24 | patlabor221 | not 11 |
| 00:15.46 | patlabor221 | the thing that reads SVG should read EPS as well |
| 00:17.08 | patlabor221 | got an app called "dia" ? |
| 00:17.42 | Spiff | Ahh! Dinner! :-) |
| 00:17.52 | larsl | Yes. |
| 00:17.53 | patlabor221 | or Xfig |
| 00:17.58 | larsl | Both. |
| 00:18.02 | patlabor221 | open that, see if it will read an eps |
| 00:18.06 | patlabor221 | let me make a test one |
| 00:18.33 | larsl | I've used dia for simple UML diagrams earlier. |
| 00:18.40 | learner | See if you can read http://brlcad.org/tmp/hello.svg |
| 00:19.30 | fiberchunks | sodipodi's ok |
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| 00:20.08 | fiberchunks | lemme test a few (sorry if I'm injecting myself into this discussion, but I need a break from finding a host) |
| 00:20.34 | learner | you've been looking all day? |
| 00:20.39 | larsl | My sodipodi refuses to open it. |
| 00:20.45 | larsl | Not even an error message. |
| 00:21.09 | patlabor221 | http://jeffm.bakadigital.com/test.eps |
| 00:21.17 | fiberchunks | learner, indeed |
| 00:21.44 | patlabor221 | my browser trys to parse the XML :) |
| 00:21.54 | learner | http://brlcad.org/tmp/hello.eps |
| 00:22.15 | learner | You can go to http://brlcad.org/tmp and right-click-save |
| 00:22.24 | larsl | dia only seems to handle DXF, FIG, and it's own native format. |
| 00:22.46 | patlabor221 | hmmm |
| 00:22.55 | patlabor221 | what about XFig |
| 00:23.26 | larsl | xfig doesn't like eps. |
| 00:23.27 | patlabor221 | I could do DXF |
| 00:23.56 | larsl | xfig doesn't like SVG either. |
| 00:24.02 | patlabor221 | http://jeffm.bakadigital.com/test.dxf |
| 00:24.24 | fiberchunks | are the requirements editability as well as readability? |
| 00:24.31 | learner | your eps worked fine for me, although I have illustrator |
| 00:24.35 | patlabor221 | perferd vector format |
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| 00:24.45 | patlabor221 | well duh learner, that's what I made it from :) |
| 00:24.49 | larsl | patlabor221: Is that just a horizontal line? |
| 00:24.57 | patlabor221 | no |
| 00:24.57 | fiberchunks | eps can be read by gimp |
| 00:25.11 | patlabor221 | yeah but it can't edit it vector wise can it? |
| 00:25.25 | patlabor221 | grab one and see if you can edit it |
| 00:25.27 | larsl | I think that GIMP converts it to a pixmap internally. |
| 00:25.37 | patlabor221 | that's what photoshop does |
| 00:25.44 | larsl | Because it asks for a pixel resolution when you open it. |
| 00:25.48 | fiberchunks | indeed |
| 00:25.54 | patlabor221 | something that maintains layers and objects is needed I feel |
| 00:26.08 | fiberchunks | what're you trying, ultimately to do? |
| 00:26.26 | patlabor221 | some format that we can layout high level diagrams of code |
| 00:26.44 | patlabor221 | like "game state" is read by "3d engine" and "3d sound system" |
| 00:26.54 | fiberchunks | k, lemme look at something |
| 00:26.55 | patlabor221 | like flowcharts and stuff |
| 00:27.19 | patlabor221 | there has to be a linux vector program that reads EPS |
| 00:27.21 | patlabor221 | it is what like all clipart comes in |
| 00:27.30 | larsl | sodipodi is supposed to be able to handle SVG, but it complains about malformed XML and won't display anything. |
| 00:27.45 | fiberchunks | ditto that larsl |
| 00:27.59 | patlabor221 | and it won't do eps? |
| 00:27.59 | fiberchunks | lemme try openoffice with eps and svg |
| 00:28.01 | patlabor221 | or .ai |
| 00:28.26 | larsl | No, sodipodi is SVG only. |
| 00:29.25 | learner | either SVG or EPS sound like the best bet -- maybe there are export settings that'll appease podi |
| 00:29.28 | fiberchunks | no, oo's no good (thought they supported that too) |
| 00:29.39 | larsl | I wonder how KIllustrator (or whatever they are calling it now) works. |
| 00:29.41 | fiberchunks | anyone tried dia yet? |
| 00:29.57 | larsl | fiberchunks: I tried dia for DXF, it didn't seem to work. |
| 00:29.57 | patlabor221 | larsl did |
| 00:30.05 | patlabor221 | send me a dia DXF |
| 00:30.07 | larsl | Although it displayed something. |
| 00:30.07 | fiberchunks | what about eps? |
| 00:30.18 | larsl | I don't think dia reads eps. |
| 00:30.21 | patlabor221 | it may have been in the wrong plane |
| 00:30.26 | patlabor221 | DXF can be a 3d format |
| 00:30.49 | learner | This hints that there is some sodipodi setting to load illustrator svg's http://www.xmlhack.com/read.php?item=1390 |
| 00:31.17 | larsl | patlabor221: Sending DXF... |
| 00:32.17 | patlabor221 | says it's corupt |
| 00:32.31 | learner | can one of you sodipodi people make an svg and see if we can do a round-trip edit if it starts from you? |
| 00:33.27 | bryjen | kde vector graphics app karbon14 errors on learner's hello.eps. loads to empty doc on patlabor221's test.eps |
| 00:33.28 | patlabor221 | hah it saved it as a 3d DXF |
| 00:34.06 | larsl | http://www.d.kth.se/~d00-llu/sodipodi.svg |
| 00:34.46 | patlabor221 | I just get it as text |
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| 00:36.29 | fiberchunks | whee, the joy of open standards :\ |
| 00:36.54 | fiberchunks | or lack thereof rather |
| 00:37.30 | learner | http://brlcad.org/tmp/sodipodi2.svg |
| 00:37.50 | learner | Assuming you just drew scribbly lines, I read your svg with no problem |
| 00:37.55 | fiberchunks | the gimp can save eps, btw (at least 1.3.19) |
| 00:37.57 | larsl | Yes, just lines. |
| 00:38.12 | fiberchunks | and can open eps as well |
| 00:38.15 | patlabor221 | whoa!, on that one, the browser asked if I wanted to a viewer then got it |
| 00:38.16 | learner | See if you can open my resave larsl |
| 00:38.19 | patlabor221 | and i can see it |
| 00:38.38 | larsl | learner: I can't open it, I get a lot of warnings about the XML format. |
| 00:38.39 | learner | yea, mozilla is supposed to have a svg plugin |
| 00:39.06 | fiberchunks | is gimp a viable option? |
| 00:39.07 | patlabor221 | this was IE |
| 00:39.23 | learner | IE must have a similar plugin now |
| 00:39.34 | patlabor221 | I think I just need a newer illustrator |
| 00:39.41 | patlabor221 | what version do you have learner? |
| 00:39.41 | larsl | Karbon perhaps? |
| 00:39.55 | learner | illustrator 10 |
| 00:40.02 | patlabor221 | I only have 9 |
| 00:40.17 | learner | "shouldn't" matter |
| 00:40.33 | patlabor221 | yeah it does, cus 9 does not have import of SVG |
| 00:40.37 | patlabor221 | just export :) |
| 00:40.44 | learner | oh, darn |
| 00:40.58 | patlabor221 | there is also a SVG viewer from adobie |
| 00:41.15 | learner | we need round-trip editing, though |
| 00:41.29 | patlabor221 | well was larsl able to open it? |
| 00:41.36 | larsl | No. |
| 00:41.43 | patlabor221 | you suck then :) |
| 00:42.00 | learner | larsl, no options on import or perhaps some stuff in a preferences panel or something? |
| 00:42.22 | larsl | I get a lot of "sodipodi2.svg:2536: warning: xmlns: URI &ns_sfw; is not absolute" |
| 00:42.34 | larsl | For different lines and &strings. |
| 00:43.03 | learner | larsl, try downloading again.. just made a different one |
| 00:43.09 | larsl | learner: No such options. |
| 00:43.12 | larsl | OK. |
| 00:44.11 | larsl | Same warnings. |
| 00:44.31 | patlabor221 | I wonder if visio will read those .fig things |
| 00:44.47 | learner | One more time, with feeling now :) |
| 00:45.41 | larsl | Same. |
| 00:45.53 | learner | *sigh* |
| 00:46.33 | learner | oops, I overwrote the wrong file.. |
| 00:46.40 | fiberchunks | lemme shuffle next door and try karbon |
| 00:47.06 | learner | there, _now_ try larsl.. |
| 00:47.58 | patlabor221 | what is LaTeX ? |
| 00:47.59 | larsl | learner: Better, only one warning this time. But it still doesn't display anything. |
| 00:48.11 | larsl | patlabor221: TeX with some extra macros. |
| 00:48.17 | larsl | Typesetting language. |
| 00:48.23 | patlabor221 | language not an app |
| 00:48.24 | patlabor221 | ok |
| 00:48.30 | learner | latex would be sweet, but it's beyond the technical know-how of most in here.. |
| 00:48.57 | patlabor221 | wow |
| 00:48.58 | patlabor221 | http://mark.foster.cc/kb/vector-formats |
| 00:49.10 | patlabor221 | odd refrence |
| 00:49.14 | patlabor221 | good refe I mean |
| 00:49.37 | learner | according to that, OO will read/write svg |
| 00:49.45 | learner | and eps |
| 00:49.52 | patlabor221 | who has OO? |
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| 00:50.09 | pop | lo, no, karbon doesn't seem to support them, although it says eps is cool |
| 00:50.18 | learner | pretty much any non-windows user can get/use OO |
| 00:50.36 | patlabor221 | well if it will do an EPS then we are cool |
| 00:50.37 | larsl | pop: Are you sure? I sae a screenshot of an image in Karbon that had been imported from EPS. |
| 00:50.42 | larsl | s/sae/saw/ |
| 00:51.29 | pop | I just tried, it died -- someone give me a good eps file |
| 00:52.00 | patlabor221 | trythis |
| 00:52.12 | learner | http://brlcad.org/tmp/hello.eps |
| 00:52.13 | larsl | I see test.eps in oodraw. |
| 00:52.27 | patlabor221 | http://jeffm.bakadigital.com/testv3.eps |
| 00:52.37 | larsl | Two blue boxes, one orange circle and some lines. |
| 00:52.40 | Justin_ | heh, I used to have brlcad |
| 00:52.41 | patlabor221 | maybe it only reads a certan verion of EPS, I was doing v9 |
| 00:52.46 | Justin_ | i sent away for the decryption key |
| 00:53.42 | pop | nothing but blankness with the eps in karbon |
| 00:53.56 | patlabor221 | how bout oodraw? |
| 00:54.44 | pop | what's the default format for illustrator? |
| 00:54.48 | patlabor221 | .ai |
| 00:54.52 | learner | Justin_: oh really? |
| 00:54.53 | pop | someone hook me up with a link to one |
| 00:55.00 | Justin_ | yeah |
| 00:55.11 | patlabor221 | http://jeffm.bakadigital.com/test.ai |
| 00:56.02 | larsl | http://www.d.kth.se/~d00-llu/testv32.eps |
| 00:56.13 | larsl | patlabor221's testv3.eps edited and exported with oodraw. |
| 00:56.52 | learner | http://brlcad.org/tmp/hello.eps |
| 00:57.45 | learner | carp.. I wouldn't read testv32.eps.. :) |
| 00:57.52 | learner | s/w/c/ |
| 00:57.56 | larsl | learner: I can read that too. |
| 00:58.08 | patlabor221 | I can't , CR/LF issues |
| 00:58.41 | larsl | Ah. |
| 00:58.46 | larsl | EPS is text? |
| 00:58.51 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 00:58.54 | pop | all I get's the properties of the eps doc in OO |
| 00:58.57 | patlabor221 | tho it seems to MD5 the file as well |
| 00:59.56 | larsl | pop: That's what I get too, I thought that was the file? |
| 01:00.31 | patlabor221 | then it's ether psd, or gimp |
| 01:00.40 | patlabor221 | and since gimp reads psd, I say psd |
| 01:00.58 | learner | that's what I'm thinking |
| 01:01.07 | learner | sucks for the modem users, but it'll work |
| 01:01.28 | larsl | I have some options here... Level 1 or Level 2, EPSI or not EPSI. |
| 01:01.43 | pop | gimp reads eps too, and exports back to it |
| 01:02.02 | patlabor221 | does it ask for an image res when it opens it? |
| 01:02.06 | learner | try level2 |
| 01:02.08 | pop | larsl, not that I'm aware of |
| 01:02.13 | learner | that'd be a postscript level |
| 01:02.15 | pop | patlabor221: yeah, think so |
| 01:02.41 | patlabor221 | then it takes it and makes it an image, then slaps the image back into an EPS |
| 01:02.44 | pop | patlabor221: what did your test.eps have in it? |
| 01:02.44 | patlabor221 | that is not a good thing |
| 01:02.49 | patlabor221 | blows out all the objects |
| 01:02.58 | patlabor221 | lines curves |
| 01:03.01 | patlabor221 | text |
| 01:03.02 | learner | there's not much point to eps once someone edits it in an image editor |
| 01:03.06 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 01:03.17 | learner | at least psd will maintain text and layers |
| 01:03.27 | patlabor221 | and object layers hopefully |
| 01:03.53 | pop | object layers? |
| 01:04.23 | pop | give me an eps with all the above in it, and a snapshot of what's it's supposed to look like |
| 01:04.27 | pop | ? |
| 01:04.29 | patlabor221 | http://jeffm.bakadigital.com/test.psd |
| 01:05.24 | learner | lol, pat |
| 01:05.48 | pop | psd works fine, of course |
| 01:05.59 | learner | the cool thing for mac users is that psd is built into the OS -- web browser, image viewer, most everything can read/write psd |
| 01:06.31 | pop | minor detail though -- gimp can't save in .psd |
| 01:06.55 | patlabor221 | http://jeffm.bakadigital.com/thetest.eps |
| 01:06.59 | patlabor221 | http://jeffm.bakadigital.com/thetest.jpg |
| 01:07.13 | patlabor221 | damn |
| 01:07.54 | pop | yeah, gimp flattens everything :\ |
| 01:08.03 | patlabor221 | soone edit that eps in open office then put it in CVS |
| 01:08.10 | patlabor221 | I think myissues were with the browser |
| 01:08.16 | patlabor221 | wanted to chang the extension |
| 01:08.45 | pop | alrighty, back to my 'other' home |
| 01:10.19 | patlabor221 | if we can get EPS to work it woudl be cool, cus we could export a SVG to put on the web just for viewing |
| 01:12.12 | patlabor221 | and we could render EPS files with a laser on the sky :) |
| 01:13.41 | fiberchunks | lol |
| 01:13.51 | learner | fiberchunks: can you try generating some eps files using different settings |
| 01:14.13 | fiberchunks | well, gimp'll do it, I suppose if you gave the .psd to us lowly gimp folk, we could save them as eps - though convoluted, it might work |
| 01:14.21 | fiberchunks | yah, I guess so? |
| 01:15.05 | patlabor221 | that would blow the layers tho |
| 01:15.45 | fiberchunks | right -- but there's no way around that, unless photoshop can magically read gimp .xcf, which it can't |
| 01:16.03 | patlabor221 | then why not go with png |
| 01:16.15 | fiberchunks | indeed |
| 01:16.25 | patlabor221 | there has to be a vector way |
| 01:16.48 | fiberchunks | I agree, though most vector apps for *nix are relatively new |
| 01:17.09 | patlabor221 | can somone make me a fig file? |
| 01:17.37 | learner | fiberchunks: you don't have OOdraw? |
| 01:17.42 | fiberchunks | yah, I do |
| 01:17.48 | fiberchunks | what would you like me to make? |
| 01:17.53 | fiberchunks | or export as, rather |
| 01:17.56 | learner | an eps |
| 01:18.19 | patlabor221 | do you have XFig? or diag? |
| 01:18.49 | fiberchunks | got dia, no xfig, lemme emerge |
| 01:18.56 | patlabor221 | dia is fine |
| 01:19.01 | patlabor221 | make a fig |
| 01:19.23 | fiberchunks | problem is learner, I can't open eps in oodraw -- it just gives the document properties rather than the drawing itself |
| 01:20.25 | patlabor221 | I have a windows fig editor |
| 01:21.11 | patlabor221 | and there is even a java fig viewer/editor |
| 01:21.48 | patlabor221 | http://duke.usask.ca/~macphed/soft/fig/ |
| 01:21.50 | learner | ah, okay |
| 01:22.02 | patlabor221 | so make me a fig :) |
| 01:23.45 | fiberchunks | fiberchunks.bakadigital.com/other_things.html |
| 01:24.17 | fiberchunks | for some reason, the text widget is b0rken in my version of Dia, so just figures |
| 01:25.36 | patlabor221 | http://www.koffice.org/karbon/screenshots.php |
| 01:25.47 | patlabor221 | it looks like Karbon14 should read EPS |
| 01:25.54 | fiberchunks | ot: how does this sound for hosting: 6G hd space, 90G monthly transfer, unlimited everything for 40 /month (which is what I pay now for my static IP) |
| 01:26.02 | fiberchunks | I tried, it failed |
| 01:26.26 | patlabor221 | it may have been a line ending thing |
| 01:26.55 | fiberchunks | unlimited, of course, being relative to the absolute values :\ |
| 01:27.21 | patlabor221 | get vectest.eps from asgard CVS |
| 01:27.34 | patlabor221 | in /cvsroot/nivie/ |
| 01:27.40 | patlabor221 | see if that opens |
| 01:27.52 | fiberchunks | not on a karbon capable machine now, back home :\ |
| 01:27.57 | bryjen | I can't get karbon to read anything other than its own format. even files exported to other formats _from_ karbon :( |
| 01:27.57 | patlabor221 | ahh |
| 01:28.00 | patlabor221 | suxor |
| 01:28.06 | patlabor221 | heh |
| 01:28.10 | patlabor221 | what version was it? |
| 01:28.11 | patlabor221 | 14? |
| 01:28.15 | fiberchunks | y |
| 01:28.44 | learner | bah, this is rediculous |
| 01:28.59 | fiberchunks | indeed, this sucks (me makes mental note of how bad) |
| 01:29.15 | fiberchunks | sorry I couldn't help more, but now ... the woman beckons |
| 01:29.18 | fiberchunks | later on |
| 01:29.19 | bryjen | wow. help -> about "Karbon14 0.0.1 (Using KDE 3.1.3)" |
| 01:29.24 | learner | maybe we should just pick the most common/useful "app" instead of a format |
| 01:29.31 | patlabor221 | illustrator :) |
| 01:29.31 | learner | cya fiber |
| 01:29.37 | learner | that's what I'd say :) |
| 01:29.43 | patlabor221 | all those in favor? |
| 01:29.47 | learner | I |
| 01:29.57 | patlabor221 | it supports 2 of the 3 platforms here |
| 01:30.01 | patlabor221 | I second it |
| 01:30.05 | patlabor221 | screw it, done |
| 01:30.08 | learner | hehe |
| 01:30.23 | patlabor221 | like Tim gives a shit anyway |
| 01:30.43 | patlabor221 | nothing will read a WMF will it? |
| 01:31.36 | patlabor221 | how bout this, we do it in illustrator, but put a png version in there too when we edit, so that non illustrator people can see it |
| 01:31.58 | bryjen | woah. the website says karbon's upto Version 0.1 |
| 01:31.59 | bryjen | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:32.09 | bryjen | go team! |
| 01:32.12 | patlabor221 | then if they HAVE to, they can edit the PNG, and an illustrator enabled person edit the .ai |
| 01:32.25 | learner | sure, and then others can make edits and it they are deemed worthy, one of the illustrator-wielders can merge the changes to the original |
| 01:32.38 | patlabor221 | so that's me or you |
| 01:32.45 | patlabor221 | or make em use wine :) |
| 01:33.14 | patlabor221 | I'm geting visio now, to just see if it will do anything |
| 01:33.20 | patlabor221 | cus really it's made for this kinda stuff |
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| 01:39.30 | SGI | hello |
| 01:40.06 | SGI | somebody can check a guy in Xmission |
| 01:40.16 | SGI | nhis nick is itime |
| 01:40.21 | ElectricElf | SGI: Who? |
| 01:40.26 | SGI | nstrange jump |
| 01:40.27 | ElectricElf | Spif, thanks. |
| 01:40.28 | SGI | itime |
| 01:40.56 | ElectricElf | Interesting. He jumped while paused. |
| 01:42.03 | SGI | and in the jump he can turn |
| 01:42.20 | SGI | one jump it was from ground floor to the hightes point |
| 01:43.16 | SGI | now is paused and he can turn around |
| 01:43.25 | SGI | no admins here |
| 01:43.32 | SGI | for xmission |
| 01:43.58 | bryjen | SGI: TimRiker or ElectricElf |
| 01:44.00 | ElectricElf | SGI: I am, and he's banned. I wanted to see what he did first. |
| 01:44.11 | ElectricElf | SGI: (If you were wondering about the delay :) |
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| 01:49.24 | bryjen | patlabor221: xfig file http://bryjen.bzflag.org:8080/~bzserve/test.fig |
| 01:53.54 | learner | Batik looks neat |
| 01:54.09 | learner | http://xml.apache.org/batik/ |
| 01:58.00 | bryjen | hmm |
| 01:58.01 | bryjen | 12.65.144.61 - - [13/Sep/2003:16:38:25 -0500] "POST http://12.65.144.61:25/ HTTP/1.1" 405 319 |
| 01:58.04 | bryjen | 12.65.144.61 - - [13/Sep/2003:16:38:26 -0500] "CONNECT mx1.mail.yahoo.com:25 HTTP/1.0" 405 310 |
| 01:58.05 | bryjen | some miscreant looking for an open proxy... |
| 01:59.49 | SGI | he did...it was a really strange jumping and pausing |
| 02:00.01 | SGI | thank talk with the other pc |
| 02:00.24 | bryjen | any luck with the .fig patlabor221 ? |
| 02:00.39 | patlabor221 | installing visio now |
| 02:01.09 | patlabor221 | winfig will read it, but winfig BLOWS |
| 02:04.40 | bryjen | xfig looks a bit funky, but it'd probly get the job done |
| 02:04.56 | patlabor221 | its icky |
| 02:05.30 | patlabor221 | well I must go home |
| 02:05.35 | patlabor221 | I will ponder |
| 02:05.56 | patlabor221 | this will all be for naught if we can't get any real leadership anyway |
| 02:06.06 | patlabor221 | I'll be back when I get home |
| 02:06.12 | bryjen | later |
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| 02:14.49 | SGI | hello Im back |
| 02:15.16 | SGI | ~seen dtremenak |
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| 02:18.27 | Patlabor221 | gack 60hz |
| 02:19.15 | Patlabor221 | ahhh 72 |
| 02:19.20 | bryjen | and 120V? that'd make most people go "gack!" |
| 02:19.34 | Patlabor221 | I do really need to get a lager monitor for the living room |
| 02:19.40 | Patlabor221 | no refresh |
| 02:21.03 | SGI | you need a projector |
| 02:22.54 | Patlabor221 | I have a projector, but it only runs 800x600 |
| 02:24.03 | SGI | nasty |
| 02:24.14 | Patlabor221 | so do you think all this planing work would be worth it, conidering the current leadership state? |
| 02:26.07 | bryjen | at least its trying. sitting and bitching never gets anything done. |
| 02:26.31 | Patlabor221 | true |
| 02:26.50 | Patlabor221 | do we ask tim to let some others help as maintainers? |
| 02:27.54 | Patlabor221 | tho at present I coundt 5-6 people who seem to be willing to do anything |
| 02:28.03 | bryjen | seperating the code into sections and having sub-maintainers might work too |
| 02:28.32 | bryjen | or not. it'd still need unifying direction from the top |
| 02:29.04 | learner | yea, it not that we need more management levels -- just more direction/focus |
| 02:29.10 | learner | a plan of action |
| 02:29.39 | Patlabor221 | I feel there should be someone in charge of the global layout of the game |
| 02:29.41 | learner | I think some planning documentation is very much in order |
| 02:29.49 | Patlabor221 | then project leaders for the sections. |
| 02:29.54 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 02:30.15 | Patlabor221 | the global designer can also be one of the project leaders |
| 02:30.37 | Patlabor221 | but somone has to guide it, not on an implementaion level but a user experince level |
| 02:30.51 | Patlabor221 | and that should be somone who is easy to contact |
| 02:31.05 | learner | project leader might be a bit of a strong word -- but once we did have a design, it would be good to have people focus on some area |
| 02:31.33 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 02:31.49 | Patlabor221 | well somone who is responsible for areas |
| 02:31.59 | Patlabor221 | like somone who is repsonsible for graphics |
| 02:32.19 | Patlabor221 | anyone can go do graphics, but you work with the graphics lead to make sure it's all cool |
| 02:32.31 | Patlabor221 | someone for gameplay ( flags ) |
| 02:32.40 | Patlabor221 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:32.53 | Patlabor221 | just each section has a "goto" person |
| 02:33.17 | Patlabor221 | and thos goto people work together to make sure it's all good |
| 02:33.22 | learner | I bet we don't have enough active people for each area that we need someone for.. |
| 02:34.09 | Patlabor221 | yeah I think people would have to double up now |
| 02:34.28 | Patlabor221 | and I'm not saying tim sould give up copyright or anything |
| 02:34.58 | Patlabor221 | but right now he's the bottleneck for everything |
| 02:35.21 | Patlabor221 | I say move the list server to a more accesssable machine, that all the leads have access too |
| 02:36.06 | learner | Actually, it could be good that he maintains that part -- one less thing to worry about |
| 02:36.28 | learner | and that would give him something to do while we wander away into design issues |
| 02:36.43 | Patlabor221 | well the problem is, that sucker may need some changes |
| 02:36.50 | Patlabor221 | and he's the only one who can change it |
| 02:37.09 | Patlabor221 | or update the web page ( tho cap, may be able to as well) |
| 02:37.28 | Patlabor221 | and he also seems to have net issues |
| 02:37.41 | Patlabor221 | or we hook up multiple list servers |
| 02:37.42 | learner | We can get to/update webpage through shell.sf.net |
| 02:37.48 | Patlabor221 | ok good |
| 02:38.20 | Patlabor221 | I would then spend the time for 1.11.xx dev splitin it all up |
| 02:38.27 | Patlabor221 | into all those components |
| 02:39.38 | Patlabor221 | then break the game into 2 branches. one that keeps the current gameplay, and another that has more modern changes |
| 02:39.48 | Patlabor221 | but have them all use the same backend components. |
| 02:40.20 | learner | One thing to keep in mind is that given how much work is involved in rearchitecting (and the prior failure), we should probably lay out a two-phase design: |
| 02:40.46 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 02:40.53 | Patlabor221 | little steps |
| 02:41.07 | learner | 1st all of the existing code/facilities/interfaces are moved and reworked into where they should be, and then 2nd start adding the new code/rewrites that'll need to happen |
| 02:41.10 | Patlabor221 | but I also think for us to be able to do it, we will have to give people asignments. |
| 02:41.20 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 02:41.38 | Patlabor221 | shift it around making it do the same, then rip it a newone :) |
| 02:42.08 | learner | main point being that 1) we need a design and plan first and 2) no code hacks or cs projects until the existing stuff is cleaned up reasonably |
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| 02:42.17 | learner | yea ;) |
| 02:42.18 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 02:43.04 | Patlabor221 | and that's where I think we need somone to lead up the "overall" design |
| 02:44.21 | learner | indeed, we also need everyone to understand the design well enough and mostly agree with whatever plan is contrived |
| 02:44.32 | Patlabor221 | yes |
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| 02:48.09 | Patlabor221 | some netmeeting tools woudl be cool :) |
| 02:52.51 | Patlabor221 | and we should also have anual BZ "confernces" in vegas :) |
| 02:53.25 | learner | hehe |
| 02:55.34 | learner | what is bzfrelay? |
| 02:55.49 | Patlabor221 | basicly a BZ proxy |
| 02:56.07 | Spiff | Vegas? Pfff... let's go to the Cayman Islands or something. ;-) |
| 02:56.27 | Patlabor221 | vegas is easyer to get too |
| 02:57.25 | Spiff | But not nearly as pleasant. There's nouthin' like snorkeling all the way out to the rief off of Seven Mile Beach. |
| 02:58.34 | Patlabor221 | it's a confrence not a vacation |
| 02:58.45 | Patlabor221 | I'm betting there are no LANCENTERS there |
| 03:00.54 | Patlabor221 | ~logs |
| 03:00.55 | | http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/, or stats http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz |
| 03:02.17 | learner | Patlabor221: so what components do you forsee, you mentioned a few earlier.. |
| 03:02.31 | Patlabor221 | well net transport |
| 03:02.38 | Patlabor221 | input |
| 03:02.41 | Patlabor221 | sound |
| 03:02.53 | Patlabor221 | worldstate |
| 03:02.56 | Spiff | Nope. They don't really have a whole lot of tech on the island. Although they do have DSL... sky high DSL. |
| 03:02.58 | Patlabor221 | game logic |
| 03:03.02 | Spiff | "Flat monthly fee for unlimited Internet access starting as low as $74 per month." |
| 03:03.13 | Patlabor221 | then vegas it IS!!!! |
| 03:03.24 | Patlabor221 | video |
| 03:03.27 | Patlabor221 | hud |
| 03:03.39 | Spiff | That's for 128k/64k too. LoL |
| 03:04.01 | Patlabor221 | bzdb |
| 03:04.13 | Spiff | But then again... it's really just an increase in the cost of living. *Everything* is more expensive there. |
| 03:04.14 | Patlabor221 | player DB |
| 03:04.23 | Patlabor221 | server |
| 03:04.25 | Patlabor221 | list server |
| 03:04.35 | Patlabor221 | and server player services |
| 03:05.01 | Spiff | 1544/256 for $349 a month. ;-) |
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| 03:05.10 | Spiff | And don't forget that $120 installation fee. ;-) |
| 03:05.11 | Spiff | LoL |
| 03:05.30 | learner | Comic: can you tell me a joke? |
| 03:05.37 | Comic | I doubt it |
| 03:05.40 | learner | :) |
| 03:05.44 | Comic | I'm a complete noob at IRC |
| 03:05.57 | Comic | Never touched it before. |
| 03:06.02 | Spiff | Unlimited dial up access for $79 a month. LoL |
| 03:06.05 | Patlabor221 | I would start with those componenetns |
| 03:06.23 | Spiff | Oh.. and you have to pay long distance on top of that. Everything on the island is long distance.... and it's 'spensive. |
| 03:06.24 | learner | Just don't drop your drawers in front of the shiny AT signs, and you're good to go :) |
| 03:06.37 | Patlabor221 | then those componenets can broken down further |
| 03:07.05 | learner | Patlabor221: sounds good, its a good starting point |
| 03:08.04 | Patlabor221 | cus I would then bust up like graphics to have base objects and objects for each type of graphical element |
| 03:08.15 | Patlabor221 | world should have collision services etc... |
| 03:10.13 | Patlabor221 | and all interaction should be via APIs or something |
| 03:10.48 | Patlabor221 | like display should just be able to say "here is the view, gime what is visble" to the world database |
| 03:11.16 | Spiff | You got me lookin' Patlabor.. hehe. |
| 03:11.26 | Spiff | Get this..... their rate is 40 cents per minute. LoL |
| 03:11.53 | Spiff | I'm guessin' you'd be better off to get short wave radio's. |
| 03:22.01 | Comic | Mind if I jump in with a question? ( Well, another one after this one....) |
| 03:23.36 | Spiff | Geez guys. Be nice... make the newbie welcome. :-) |
| 03:23.40 | Spiff | LoL |
| 03:23.50 | Comic | funny |
| 03:23.53 | Comic | This is probably a FAQ somewhere but I haven't been able to find out what happened to hashmark's server. Anyone know what's up? |
| 03:24.11 | Patlabor221 | there is a FAQ? |
| 03:24.26 | Patlabor221 | I have not heard what has happend |
| 03:24.29 | Patlabor221 | tho many have asked it |
| 03:24.36 | Spiff | Methinks the server OP just decided to take it off or something. Stibnite owns it... |
| 03:24.43 | Comic | I liked the map. |
| 03:24.45 | Spiff | Maybe he's got net troubles. |
| 03:24.54 | Spiff | Ahhh yes. Modified MadCity.. the Turkey map. |
| 03:25.20 | Spiff | http://www.3dshort.com/3denciclopedia/categoria_architecture.html |
| 03:25.25 | Spiff | That's some good modeling. |
| 03:26.12 | Comic | I have a server ready to go. Just need a world map or two. |
| 03:26.25 | Patlabor221 | there are many in the world tracker |
| 03:27.51 | Spiff | LoL! That site has a model of a Mosk.. and it's entitled "Moslem Arab Building".. pff. :-) |
| 03:29.47 | Patlabor221 | and what is wrong with that? |
| 03:30.25 | Patlabor221 | what you got so far? |
| 03:30.43 | Spiff | It doesn't look very professional. :-) |
| 03:31.02 | Comic | Cambridge 2.00 is installed |
| 03:31.12 | Patlabor221 | it's descriptive enough |
| 03:31.20 | Comic | just grabbed a madcity.zip from kci.net |
| 03:31.38 | Spiff | http://shellshock.dutchrai.com |
| 03:31.44 | learner | I'm laying out just what libraries and Applications there are and how they relate to one another dependancy-wise; keeping it simple |
| 03:32.24 | Patlabor221 | we have 4 apps right? |
| 03:32.37 | Patlabor221 | BZFlag BZFS BZFLS and BZADMIN |
| 03:32.38 | learner | i have 7 listed |
| 03:33.04 | Patlabor221 | 7? |
| 03:33.31 | learner | i included bzadmin bzfrelay, bzbot |
| 03:33.37 | Comic | Found that one. Was really looking for the hashmark map and possibly the one kernel panic had. |
| 03:33.44 | Patlabor221 | don't worry about realay, it dosn't even work |
| 03:33.56 | Spiff | Hmm Comic. Maybe I can help. One sec. |
| 03:34.11 | Patlabor221 | so 5 flag, server ,list, admin, and bot |
| 03:34.31 | learner | the apps aren't really important, I threw a couple of concept ideas in just for kicks too, bzirc and bzevolve |
| 03:34.40 | Patlabor221 | ahh |
| 03:35.05 | learner | more of a "which libraries" there should be |
| 03:35.13 | learner | common utility library |
| 03:35.18 | learner | network transport library |
| 03:35.24 | learner | multimedia library |
| 03:35.34 | Patlabor221 | Multimedia? |
| 03:35.45 | Patlabor221 | sound? |
| 03:36.16 | Spiff | Comic- The one kp had... do you mean the one with the X shaped canyon in the center? |
| 03:36.37 | Comic | I think that's the one |
| 03:36.43 | Comic | tall spires with catwalks |
| 03:36.50 | learner | that's one i'm wrestling with; the original idea was audio/video facilities |
| 03:37.14 | Patlabor221 | split them |
| 03:37.29 | learner | perhaps they should be separate: audio library, video library, input library |
| 03:37.32 | Patlabor221 | conceptualy they should be seperate |
| 03:37.33 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 03:37.46 | Patlabor221 | in implementaon they can call platform |
| 03:37.52 | learner | I'm thinking actual framework/.so/.dll level right now |
| 03:37.58 | Patlabor221 | but that's an implemeaton |
| 03:38.13 | Patlabor221 | conceptuals shold also not be tied to libs |
| 03:38.18 | learner | yes, they are all dependant on a platform specific library |
| 03:38.21 | Spiff | There ya go Comic. :-) |
| 03:38.37 | Patlabor221 | they could be, or they could be not |
| 03:38.44 | Spiff | That's the last world that Turkey ran before it "died"... Canyon 3.0. I should know.. I made it. ;-) |
| 03:39.07 | Comic | thanks |
| 03:39.07 | learner | I'm wasn't doing an object interaction diagram... which sounds like what you're wanting/talking about |
| 03:39.20 | Spiff | Yw. |
| 03:39.25 | Comic | Does the client cache them somewhere they can be pulled from? |
| 03:39.30 | Patlabor221 | well I think you should start top level |
| 03:39.43 | Patlabor221 | dont' think about implemenation |
| 03:39.49 | Patlabor221 | thing about just concepts first |
| 03:40.10 | Spiff | I haven't the foggiest. Hehe. |
| 03:43.46 | learner | how things get packed up into a library is pretty much orthogonal to how they interact, just a different view; there will/should be significantly fewer libraries than facilities/concepts |
| 03:44.38 | Patlabor221 | they could all be linked into one exe if you wnated |
| 03:44.52 | Patlabor221 | I don't think there packaging should affect design |
| 03:45.05 | learner | sure, that's not a problem |
| 03:45.22 | Patlabor221 | like for video, a SDL based video base cold be used by many OSs |
| 03:46.58 | Patlabor221 | so it would not be depenednt on a plat lib |
| 03:47.05 | learner | directory structure and libraries are perhaps bad words for what the intent is -- it's more a high level _collection_ of facilities that I'm trying to work out |
| 03:47.14 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 03:47.22 | Patlabor221 | I say the more of them the better |
| 03:47.42 | Patlabor221 | makes for easyer reuse |
| 03:48.07 | learner | hehe, you want "page two" |
| 03:48.24 | Patlabor221 | ? |
| 03:49.38 | learner | it'll make sense later |
| 03:49.55 | learner | you're talking about one thing, I'm writing notes down for something slightly different |
| 03:50.12 | Patlabor221 | heh |
| 03:50.12 | learner | my next step sounds exactly like what you are talking about |
| 03:50.29 | Spiff | Crymony! I know I've seen Modified MadCity around here somewhere. |
| 03:50.30 | learner | hence, 'page two' :) |
| 03:50.36 | Spiff | Any ideas where it could've been guys? |
| 03:50.41 | learner | I ate it |
| 03:50.51 | Spiff | Thanks. :-P |
| 03:51.03 | Comic | Check behind the sofa. I always lose stuff back there. |
| 03:53.01 | Spiff | Well.. it's definitely not on my PC. |
| 03:53.31 | learner | did you check the world database listing? |
| 03:53.41 | Spiff | Where's that? |
| 03:54.31 | learner | http://stats.bzflag.org/maps.php |
| 03:55.24 | Spiff | Oh yeah. Definitely not there. :-) |
| 03:55.26 | learner | also http://www.shellshock.dutchrai.com/maps.htm |
| 03:55.32 | Spiff | Or there. ;-) |
| 03:55.45 | learner | like i said.. |
| 03:55.47 | learner | I ate it |
| 03:56.51 | Comic | we have toddlers and I'm not afraid to use the ipecac syrup! |
| 03:57.03 | Comic | might need a little cleanup though |
| 03:57.14 | learner | there's also http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?atid=423059&group_id=3248&func=browse but I don't see it there either |
| 03:57.55 | Comic | Any idea what the modifications were? |
| 03:58.09 | Spiff | To MadCity? Yep. |
| 03:58.14 | Spiff | Some of them. |
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| 03:58.38 | Comic | I have a madcity world. |
| 03:58.57 | Spiff | Yep.. the older one. |
| 03:59.02 | Spiff | I'm not sure of all of the size mods tho. |
| 04:00.14 | Spiff | Okies... Spiffy's off for a few. I shall return. |
| 04:00.27 | Comic | Thanks for all the help |
| 04:01.54 | Comic | See you all later. I'm heading for bed. |
| 04:13.03 | Patlabor221 | lol "the brotherhood of the twisted pair" |
| 04:13.48 | bryjen | shielded? |
| 04:18.19 | Patlabor221 | did not say |
| 04:31.31 | bryjen | i was thinking one of those midieval emblem thingies with a big RJ45 jack drawn on it |
| 04:31.47 | Patlabor221 | a crest |
| 04:32.01 | bryjen | yeah |
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| 05:30.15 | learner | quick trip |
| 05:30.31 | learner | wb |
| 05:30.41 | JBDiGriz | It's 470 miles from iluxa's house to my house. |
| 05:34.46 | Spiff | Hey JB. :-) |
| 05:35.09 | JBDiGriz | hi |
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| 10:03.54 | david_v | hey [dmp] |
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| 10:07.32 | [dmp] | hey david |
| 10:07.50 | [dmp] | Isnt it today, you guys are voting? |
| 10:07.52 | david_v | how's it going? |
| 10:07.54 | david_v | yes |
| 10:08.07 | [dmp] | Is it still 50/50 ? |
| 10:08.25 | david_v | i think that stupid murder will affect people, even if they don't realize it |
| 10:08.37 | david_v | the "yes-side" will probably win with some small margin |
| 10:08.53 | [dmp] | oh I guess you are against then? :-) |
| 10:09.16 | [dmp] | But most danish newsreporter agrees that the murder is affecting people. |
| 10:09.23 | david_v | well actually yes, but it's a general distaste for how people act... they get affected and change opinions so easily |
| 10:09.39 | david_v | yes it does, and i've seen some stats too |
| 10:10.07 | david_v | hard to say what they'll REALLY vote today, though |
| 10:10.13 | [dmp] | Yeah, scary. I have no idea which motivation the killer had, but if it was to stop the yes-side; he really failed. |
| 10:10.15 | Chestal | david_v: ah, come join Euro-Land :-) |
| 10:10.16 | david_v | but probably yes for most of the people |
| 10:10.35 | Chestal | but I fear that you peopel will vote against |
| 10:10.47 | david_v | why's the fear? |
| 10:11.11 | david_v | i don't think Sweden will benefit from EMU really |
| 10:11.12 | Chestal | I'd like Sweden to join us |
| 10:11.20 | david_v | but my opinion is mostly based on political issues |
| 10:11.24 | david_v | well, why? |
| 10:12.01 | Chestal | no hard economical reasons, it's more that it just feels right |
| 10:12.10 | Chestal | "Europe" as a vision |
| 10:12.20 | david_v | well, that's the basic problem, people vote by feeling, not by facts |
| 10:12.32 | Chestal | the facts are too complicated |
| 10:12.40 | david_v | then they shouldn't vote at all :) |
| 10:12.42 | Chestal | even for most of the people whose business it is |
| 10:12.44 | [dmp] | I think denmark would stand stronger if Sweden was in too (as another scandinavian country). |
| 10:13.15 | [dmp] | But then again, we're more or less getting racists over here :-9 |
| 10:13.20 | Chestal | of course one very important thign is the look of the coins and notes :-) Are there images of the current Swedish money? |
| 10:13.34 | david_v | heh |
| 10:13.42 | david_v | try Google :) |
| 10:14.56 | david_v | the bills have various personalities printed on them, and the kronors have the king on them |
| 10:15.53 | david_v | 50 öre, 5 kr and 10 kr have no king on them though |
| 10:15.57 | Chestal | ah, then Euro is better |
| 10:16.06 | Chestal | I really liek it that there are no persons on the notes |
| 10:16.23 | [dmp] | I know alot of danish people votes against EMU because they think these images is our nationality. Its abit silly. Most fo them dont even know who the personalities is. |
| 10:16.30 | david_v | i consider that a minor, minor, minor, minor detail |
| 10:16.41 | david_v | [dmp]: bah... |
| 10:16.45 | Chestal | you underestimate the psychological impact |
| 10:16.50 | Chestal | the money is quite pretty |
| 10:16.58 | david_v | i don't care :) |
| 10:17.27 | david_v | they could print images of Pippi Longstocking if they like |
| 10:17.33 | [dmp] | hehee |
| 10:17.39 | [dmp] | that would be cool :) |
| 10:17.41 | Chestal | that would be ok, too :-) |
| 10:19.11 | [dmp] | david_v: With opengl its possible to paint one pixel at a time, right? |
| 10:19.31 | david_v | hm i didn't get that far in my research |
| 10:19.42 | david_v | but well, yes it should be possible |
| 10:20.01 | david_v | there's a "2D" mode, so supposedly you could do it in some more or less complicated manner |
| 10:20.22 | [dmp] | Sounds more complicated than using SDL then. |
| 10:20.36 | david_v | i don't know. i haven't tried plotting in OpenGL :) |
| 10:21.08 | david_v | might be some putpixel and line functions, i just haven't looked |
| 10:21.19 | [dmp] | If I ever figure out this ray/sphere-intersection formular, we're supposed to use it for a small raytracing app. |
| 10:21.31 | Chestal | bzflag used to draw the jamming noise pixel by pixel, but it was replaced I think because it was slow |
| 10:21.33 | [dmp] | I think i'll stick with SDL for now :) |
| 10:22.04 | [dmp] | speed isnt a issue. Most of the other guys are using java for drawing stuff :-) |
| 10:22.11 | david_v | hehe |
| 10:22.16 | david_v | we're going through Java in school now |
| 10:22.32 | david_v | but the first three course-related apps i've made are reeeeeaaallly simple |
| 10:23.05 | david_v | like "Hello world!" and more sophisticated things like interactive programs! |
| 10:23.28 | [dmp] | We got this Visualization of Models. Which is realtime 3d and raytracing and finally interactive computer vision. Its really interesting. But the math is kill me (and most others) |
| 10:23.54 | david_v | didn't quite get to raytracing, but i've programmed a 3D cube on my CASIO FX9700GE calc :) |
| 10:24.14 | [dmp] | :) |
| 10:24.33 | david_v | the code is ugly. to say the least |
| 10:25.00 | david_v | basically because the language is awful, and to speed it up (by 100% or so), i had to write some even more ugly code |
| 10:25.01 | [dmp] | as long as it works :) |
| 10:25.04 | david_v | hehe |
| 10:25.31 | david_v | i'll see if i can find some equipment in school where i can copy over the code, so i can back it up and show it to people |
| 10:26.00 | david_v | it uses some 9600 baud connection over some specialized cable, so... heh |
| 10:26.18 | david_v | i've used it once though, but that was to another calculator |
| 10:26.59 | [dmp] | i never had a calculator that could be programmed. |
| 10:28.13 | [dmp] | i better sue my parents :) |
| 10:28.40 | david_v | heh. but i got this calc from my brother |
| 10:33.54 | [dmp] | "[could somebody please tell me how to put a bzedit map on a bzflag server. contact me at daveisnow@aol.com thank u.] ".. Sometimes wiki isnt a good solution, if people dont realize what they are for :-) |
| 10:34.51 | [dmp] | And sometimes its really annoying when opera crashes :( |
| 10:35.17 | [dmp] | not sometimes; always |
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| 14:10.39 | Chestal | hi MAC |
| 14:12.31 | MrApathyCream | howdy |
| 14:13.46 | Chestal | eklig |
| 14:13.47 | Chestal | oops |
| 14:14.14 | Chestal | are there any BZDB entries that change their values regularly? |
| 14:14.33 | MrApathyCream | uh |
| 14:14.53 | MrApathyCream | not that i can think of... |
| 14:15.08 | Chestal | I also noticed that some vlaues are still in global.h? ANy specific reason for that? ShotRadius for example |
| 14:15.35 | MrApathyCream | no, they should be removed, although it's possible that they weren't completely moved over to BZDB |
| 14:15.43 | MrApathyCream | ie, code still exists that accesses the constant |
| 14:15.59 | Chestal | yes, I think not all of them are in globals.cxx yet |
| 14:16.13 | Chestal | did you read what I wrote yesterday about caching/callbacks here? |
| 14:16.25 | Chestal | I was talking to you, but you didn't reply and then your client logged off |
| 14:16.41 | MrApathyCream | arg email nots are down again |
| 14:16.53 | MrApathyCream | no i misssed it |
| 14:17.42 | MrApathyCream | arg, domestic boss is back |
| 14:17.53 | MrApathyCream | gotta go |
| 14:21.04 | Tupone | Chestal: I'm not able to get compiling bzedit, or at least not without spending time on debugging configure messages. |
| 14:21.24 | Tupone | I'll need a simple world |
| 14:22.33 | Chestal | hmm, I never tried bzedit |
| 14:22.37 | Chestal | how simple? |
| 14:23.04 | Tupone | 1 obstacle possibly with integer coordinate, in the middle. To check code |
| 14:23.11 | Tupone | How do you create? |
| 14:23.31 | Chestal | box |
| 14:23.31 | Chestal | position 126 -80 0 |
| 14:23.31 | Chestal | rotation 20 |
| 14:23.31 | Chestal | size 35 35 5 |
| 14:23.31 | Chestal | end |
| 14:23.45 | Tupone | where it goes? |
| 14:23.46 | Chestal | this should work as a world, I guess it's self-explanatory |
| 14:24.00 | Chestal | in a file, then use -world <wordfile> as bzfs option |
| 14:24.11 | Tupone | I'll try. Thax |
| 14:24.15 | Tupone | thanx |
| 14:27.20 | KTL | (and do -r -j and -ms 10 to make it that world a bit viewable) |
| 14:39.29 | learner | Hehe Terps 61-0 :) |
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| 15:13.00 | tea|tree_ | ~d |
| 15:13.10 | tea|tree_ | huhu |
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| 16:18.05 | bryjen | why are there _29_ _pages_ of the "Post a picture day!" topic? From Jun 5 to Sep 11. Helluva long day. |
| 16:18.56 | bzgirl | who updates the cvs changelog? http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/bzflag/bzflag/ChangeLog?rev=1.87&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup |
| 16:19.15 | bzgirl | or can i see the latest changes somewhere else? |
| 16:20.12 | Patlabor221 | jbd and mac were kinda maintaining that |
| 16:21.07 | Chestal | bzgirl: edited every once in a while, mostly 'important' things make it in there, but usually it is neglected |
| 16:21.53 | bzgirl | well, isnt "roger" the bot in cvs now? id like to read about that kind of stuff also :) |
| 16:22.31 | Chestal | yes, although he should be called "Otto" |
| 16:22.45 | bzgirl | why? |
| 16:23.11 | bryjen | because Ches has been reading imdb |
| 16:23.13 | Chestal | because the inflatable pilot from "Airplane" was called that |
| 16:23.38 | bryjen | "roger" was one of the human pilots |
| 16:23.48 | bzgirl | hehe |
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| 16:26.37 | Patlabor221 | does it have the "emergency inflation tube" ? |
| 16:26.55 | learner | lol, Chestal |
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| 16:28.46 | Patlabor221 | bryjen I would ask you to ether remove that post you made, or put it in it's own topic. |
| 16:30.23 | bryjen | Really? |
| 16:30.45 | Patlabor221 | the topic is a report of strange bahavor |
| 16:31.09 | Patlabor221 | if you wish to bring up the derv cheating issue put it in a new topic |
| 16:31.30 | Patlabor221 | no, I'm asking you to put it in it's own topic |
| 16:31.35 | bryjen | Ok |
| 16:32.25 | Patlabor221 | I don't mind the chat one, cus it's well chat, and those are suposed to wander. but it seems rude and stilly to bring up acusations against derv in a thread that he started about just reporting something that he found odd to him |
| 16:32.44 | Patlabor221 | I personaly think derv has "experiemented" with cheats in the past |
| 16:32.52 | Patlabor221 | but that is not the place to bring it up. |
| 16:33.15 | Patlabor221 | also think, by bringing that up again what are you trying to say? |
| 16:33.30 | bryjen | I'm not saying I think Derv used a cheat, other than the one he said he did in that topic |
| 16:33.50 | Patlabor221 | Knightmare was way outa line to post a repsonce like that in the inital thread |
| 16:33.50 | bzgirl | hes making the point that joining with your own cheat client to combat a cheater is pointless |
| 16:34.03 | Patlabor221 | ok, then put that in it's own thread |
| 16:34.13 | Patlabor221 | in general I would thing |
| 16:34.19 | Patlabor221 | cus yeah, that's a lame ass thing to doo |
| 16:34.38 | bryjen | Did you go thru the link to the old forum? |
| 16:35.10 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 16:36.34 | bryjen | I'll delete and repost. "Servers: General" or "General Discussion" ? |
| 16:36.44 | Patlabor221 | I would say general |
| 16:36.51 | Patlabor221 | cus it is a general tactic |
| 16:36.56 | Patlabor221 | I think a lot of people do it. |
| 16:37.35 | Patlabor221 | yeah but it's not a server admin thing, it's a player thing so thats why I say general general |
| 16:37.54 | bryjen | Ah, I see, says the blind man... |
| 16:37.58 | Patlabor221 | server general is more for stuff on specific servers |
| 16:39.07 | fiberchunks | manning the helm are you? ;) |
| 16:39.32 | Patlabor221 | just geting out the topic bat |
| 16:39.42 | bryjen | Patlabor221: i can't delete the post, as /somebody's/ replied to it ;) |
| 16:39.51 | Patlabor221 | I can :) |
| 16:40.07 | bryjen | Gopher it |
| 16:40.46 | Patlabor221 | done |
| 16:41.19 | Patlabor221 | gimie a link to the new topic when it's done, and I'll put a link to it in dervs topic so that peopel go to the right place. |
| 16:44.40 | bryjen | http://bzbb.bakadigital.com/viewtopic.php?t=1 |
| 16:45.19 | fiberchunks | oi lots of reading to do -- and then setting up all my buddies on my host -- I can remove my static IP, and host for free, yay :) |
| 16:45.20 | bryjen | removed the reference to Dervish, but otherwise unchanged. |
| 16:45.37 | fiberchunks | rather, host myself for free |
| 16:46.33 | Patlabor221 | I would have said "like dev just said he did" :) |
| 16:47.10 | Patlabor221 | I feel in my gut that he cheats some times, but he just dosn't feel hes being wrong, cus he's cheating for a "reason" |
| 16:47.52 | bryjen | i think it must've been where he refered to the "me" guy as sinful after saying that he'd used a cheat that got me wound up. |
| 16:49.04 | Patlabor221 | yeah I love how he can judge the entire spiritual worth of a person by a simple 3d tank game. |
| 16:49.13 | Patlabor221 | and the fact that your now dammed to hell. |
| 16:49.32 | bryjen | Thou shalt not be damned to Hell for cheating at a computer game. |
| 16:50.00 | bryjen | Or |
| 16:50.00 | Patlabor221 | if hell has all the gamers then it may be fun |
| 16:50.22 | learner | depends on the players :) |
| 16:50.28 | learner | and the game :) |
| 16:50.45 | Patlabor221 | no cam, just psycic powers |
| 16:51.02 | bryjen | ah. so then i don't need to put pants on? |
| 16:51.04 | Patlabor221 | yeah the shuffleboard players may be a tad booring. |
| 16:51.23 | Patlabor221 | that's between you and your pants |
| 16:51.38 | bryjen | ok ;) |
| 16:52.27 | JBDiGriz | pat has a thing for pants (phear the pants) |
| 16:52.51 | larsl | I replied to ping requests for a couple of minutes, and now I'm getting lots of connection attempts to netbios ports. |
| 16:53.28 | Patlabor221 | you can never have too many pants, even emergency patns |
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| 16:54.17 | JBDiGriz | What ports do you see them using? |
| 16:54.27 | bryjen | i broke one of my own rules there. on my server, i generally tolerate venting (oh sh*t, d@m^ it), as long as its not directed at someone (you sh*t, d@m^ you) |
| 16:56.14 | Nidhoggr | anyone know of a good bot code for using in an IRC RPG environment? I have someone bothering me to find one. :/ |
| 16:57.16 | larsl | Nidhoggr: There is something called POE::Component::IRC for Perl, it is an IRC client implementation where you register callbacks for lots of different events. |
| 16:57.36 | Nidhoggr | ah. |
| 16:57.46 | Patlabor221 | I recall seeing RPG bots when I was searching for IRC bots |
| 16:57.50 | larsl | It's on CPAN. |
| 16:57.51 | Nidhoggr | someone was saying they had a bot that did character sheet storage, etc. |
| 16:57.59 | Nidhoggr | and dice rolling, etc. |
| 16:58.30 | Nidhoggr | I'll keep that one in mind, larsl. they want me to help find something, but I don't want to put in much time on it, beyond finding something pre-rolled. |
| 16:58.49 | Nidhoggr | as much RPG stuff that happens on IRC, there should be something already there. |
| 17:00.10 | Patlabor221 | I recall seeing a couple that did |
| 17:00.16 | Patlabor221 | I'd just google it up |
| 17:00.22 | Nidhoggr | I'm googling too. :) |
| 17:02.29 | learner | After all the jabbering yesterday, pat, you solidly dethroned me on the irc stats :) |
| 17:02.48 | Patlabor221 | yes I did |
| 17:04.20 | larsl | Did you ever find a format for interchanging diagrams? |
| 17:04.35 | learner | we gave up |
| 17:04.42 | JBDiGriz | It looks like someone was drinking and typing again. |
| 17:04.53 | learner | http://www... |
| 17:05.04 | bzgirl | id like it remmeber more than 30 url's too |
| 17:05.22 | JBDiGriz | Now it's gone up to #1 or #2 |
| 17:05.43 | Patlabor221 | it's not cofigurable? |
| 17:05.48 | learner | what has? http://www... ? :) |
| 17:06.04 | Patlabor221 | what http://www.... ? |
| 17:06.06 | bzgirl | its not offically configurable |
| 17:06.19 | Patlabor221 | what bout unffically? |
| 17:06.33 | bzgirl | well i will look at the script |
| 17:06.34 | learner | heh, there's two now -- one .. and one ... |
| 17:06.34 | larsl | http://www... gives me a 404. |
| 17:06.52 | Patlabor221 | http://www.... used to work, thats odd |
| 17:06.54 | JBDiGriz | If you are going to be like that, I'll have to start calling you a http://www.arrogantbastard.com/ |
| 17:07.04 | bzgirl | stop saying www!! |
| 17:07.13 | JBDiGriz | At least we'll have something worthy on the list. |
| 17:07.14 | learner | www... ? |
| 17:07.24 | Patlabor221 | now you sound like bags |
| 17:07.25 | JBDiGriz | bzg, stop shouting. ;^) |
| 17:07.48 | bzgirl | i can assign pics to the usernames, so be carefu |
| 17:07.49 | learner | see, jb -- how I think that was actually shouting that time.. |
| 17:08.00 | learner | s/how/now/ |
| 17:08.33 | JBDiGriz | It took two bangs to become shouting, upper case is shouting without additional assistance. |
| 17:09.14 | learner | is that configurable bzgirl? |
| 17:09.21 | bzgirl | is what? |
| 17:09.27 | bzgirl | shouting? |
| 17:09.47 | learner | considering a bang to be shouting! |
| 17:09.59 | JBDiGriz | Stop shouting, you http://www.arrogantbastard.com/ |
| 17:10.15 | bzgirl | heh |
| 17:10.16 | learner | I am not an http://www.arrogantbastard.com/ ! |
| 17:10.41 | JBDiGriz | Are you not worthy to be a http://www.arrogantbastard.com/ ? |
| 17:11.06 | learner | Oh I am worthy and willing to be an http://www.arrogantbastard.com/ but they don't deliver here |
| 17:12.35 | JBDiGriz | They have a picture of someone holding up their beer bottle next to the Temple in Salt Lake. If that's not arrogance .... |
| 17:12.55 | learner | I was at a place called "Brewer's Art" in downtown baltimore a few days ago. They had over a hundred beers from around the globe but none from http://www.arrogantbastard.com/ |
| 17:13.21 | JBDiGriz | Here are the people who will ship it to you. http://www.arrogantbastard.com/shipped/index.html |
| 17:14.15 | JBDiGriz | or make a pilgrimage south to the DC area. |
| 17:15.46 | JBDiGriz | Danvg, http://www.arrogantbastard.com/ only made it to #3 in the statistics. |
| 17:15.55 | learner | Mmm.. $4/beer |
| 17:16.16 | Patlabor221 | http://learner.youaremyfriend.com |
| 17:16.56 | Patlabor221 | hmm how did the www part get in there 3 times |
| 17:17.00 | Patlabor221 | what you don't like http://learner.youaremyfriend.com |
| 17:17.05 | Patlabor221 | I really like http://learner.youaremyfriend.com |
| 17:17.10 | Patlabor221 | I think http://learner.youaremyfriend.com is a cool site |
| 17:17.12 | learner | lmao |
| 17:17.14 | Patlabor221 | everyone should go to http://learner.youaremyfriend.com |
| 17:17.21 | Patlabor221 | http://learner.youaremyfriend.com is a work of freakin art |
| 17:17.34 | Patlabor221 | don't you agree about http://learner.youaremyfriend.com |
| 17:17.48 | Patlabor221 | that should do it :) |
| 17:18.00 | Patlabor221 | the beer one is # 1 right now |
| 17:18.18 | Patlabor221 | BZG, how often does it cron? |
| 17:18.34 | bzgirl | i think five mins |
| 17:18.38 | bzgirl | lemme look |
| 17:18.40 | JBDiGriz | First it's chika after your bod on irc. Now it seems pat has a thing for you. What's this virtual pheremone you're putting out, and you better be careful with it. |
| 17:19.13 | bzgirl | Patlabor221: 5 mins |
| 17:19.14 | Patlabor221 | http://jbd.youaremyfriend.com |
| 17:19.22 | Patlabor221 | you can make it update faster if you want |
| 17:19.46 | learner | that's funny -- dynamic flash |
| 17:19.50 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 17:19.51 | bzgirl | well it dosent bother me, but if you like i can make it 2 mins? |
| 17:19.53 | JBDiGriz | I'm lucky he can't spell my entire nick ;^) |
| 17:20.13 | Patlabor221 | http://the.wholefreakinworld.youaremyfriend.com |
| 17:22.30 | bzgirl | Patlabor221: 2 mins now |
| 17:22.39 | Patlabor221 | keen |
| 17:23.15 | learner | hehe http://%23bzflag.youaremyfriend.com/ |
| 17:23.36 | Patlabor221 | it's NFG |
| 17:24.04 | learner | what's no good? |
| 17:24.09 | Patlabor221 | the link |
| 17:24.16 | learner | hrmph |
| 17:24.22 | learner | works for me |
| 17:24.50 | Patlabor221 | works in moz, just not ie |
| 17:25.13 | learner | ah |
| 17:25.40 | learner | Hehe $22 bucks to get 3 beers :) |
| 17:25.48 | learner | well worth it ;) |
| 17:26.57 | learner | DRAT!!! |
| 17:27.09 | learner | It's illegal to deliver alcohol to MD :( |
| 17:27.19 | learner | :.( |
| 17:27.24 | Patlabor221 | hah |
| 17:27.48 | Patlabor221 | would that not get you aresetd? |
| 17:28.04 | learner | not if I kick hard enough and run fast |
| 17:29.21 | learner | Hrm.. The do deliver to DC, PA, VA, and WV.. |
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| 17:29.50 | learner | I'm very close to PA... |
| 17:30.16 | Patlabor221 | send it here, I'll make sure it gets to you :) |
| 17:30.24 | learner | har har |
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| 17:38.55 | learner | howdy MAC! |
| 17:40.32 | MrApathyCream | howdy |
| 17:46.04 | bryjen | *sigh* |
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| 18:00.59 | bzgirl | http://bzgirl.bakadigital.com/irc.html will remember 300 url's now :) |
| 18:02.12 | bzgirl | it will also ignore your www... ones learner :) |
| 18:02.14 | learner | ghod |
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| 18:03.23 | learner | I'm still a friendly arrogant bastard, though |
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| 18:03.47 | learner | moin dmp |
| 18:04.03 | [dmp] | Heh. Morning :) |
| 18:04.19 | learner | how goes it in dmpland? |
| 18:04.31 | [dmp] | slow. Im bored. |
| 18:04.43 | [dmp] | Waiting for some movie to start :9 |
| 18:05.06 | learner | might I suggest doing things to mess up bzgirl's irc stats? :) |
| 18:05.39 | bzgirl | hi dmp |
| 18:06.03 | [dmp] | Nah, girls have mysterious powers. As long as i dont understand them, i dont dare to challenge them outside bzflag |
| 18:06.06 | [dmp] | Hi bzgirl |
| 18:06.19 | learner | hehe |
| 18:07.31 | [dmp] | learner, you know any link explaining formulars like sphere-intersection or alike? |
| 18:07.31 | ElectricElf | Hey bzgirl :) |
| 18:07.50 | bzgirl | hi EE |
| 18:08.52 | learner | formulars? |
| 18:08.59 | MrApathyCream | sphere intersection is easy, if the center of two circles are closer than the sum of their radii, then they intersect |
| 18:10.21 | [dmp] | that sounds easy. But isnt there some page which explain stuff like this? |
| 18:10.36 | learner | For something like ray-sphere intersections? what's the purpose? |
| 18:10.50 | learner | yea, there are quite a few sites |
| 18:11.02 | [dmp] | I got a photocopy of some pages, that states a formular to calculate if a given ray intersects with a sphere.. But the explaining references chapter 3, which i dont got :( |
| 18:11.12 | [dmp] | Its for a raytracer |
| 18:11.24 | [dmp] | But I dont understand the math (most people dont..) |
| 18:11.32 | learner | Raytracers are fun :) |
| 18:11.37 | [dmp] | on this course |
| 18:11.37 | [dmp] | yeah |
| 18:11.40 | larsl | You have an expression for the ray and one for the sphere. |
| 18:11.55 | learner | is your sphere implicit or explicit? |
| 18:11.55 | larsl | Equate them, if the equation has a solution they intersect. |
| 18:12.38 | learner | that is, what's your sphere expression? Ax + By + Cz = 0 ? |
| 18:13.13 | larsl | Isn't that a plane? |
| 18:14.18 | MrApathyCream | yes a plane |
| 18:14.20 | learner | or is it something like x(a,b) = r * cos(a) * sin(b) |
| 18:14.37 | [dmp] | I got this for a ray: x=x0 + t(x1-x0) (same goes for y and z). x0 is ray-startpoint and x1 is the endpoint. But it dosnt say anything about what "t" is :-| |
| 18:14.49 | MrApathyCream | here, dmp, this is pretty understandable |
| 18:14.50 | MrApathyCream | http://www.gamasutra.com/features/20020118/vandenhuevel_02.htm |
| 18:14.59 | learner | okay.. yes I forgot the power of two :) |
| 18:15.33 | learner | t is a distance along the ray |
| 18:15.51 | learner | a solution to the intersection test |
| 18:15.53 | learner | you are solving for t |
| 18:16.09 | learner | if there is no solution, there is no intersection |
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| 18:17.16 | larsl | If there is one solution the ray touches the surface of the sphere, if there are two solutions it goes through the sphere. |
| 18:18.09 | [dmp] | ah |
| 18:20.53 | Spiff | Hmmm. In the 1.9 client... how do you get rid of the "email line?" |
| 18:21.16 | larsl | Spiff: Same as 1.7g2, I think. |
| 18:21.36 | larsl | -anonymous or an email line in the config file. |
| 18:21.57 | learner | [dmp]: http://www.siggraph.org/education/materials/HyperGraph/raytrace/rtinter1.htm |
| 18:23.01 | learner | that's using the implicit equation of a sphere |
| 18:23.48 | learner | ah.. here is a good walk through: http://biokyb.dyndns.org/aknet/cg/ray_sphere_intersect_algebraic/ |
| 18:23.58 | Spiff | But the config file looks different now. Is it still "email <insertemailhere>" |
| 18:24.15 | Spiff | Or is it "set email <insertemailhere>?" |
| 18:24.17 | [dmp] | Whee "Søren Hannibal".. Im a old fan of him .-) (danish amiga-coder :-) ) |
| 18:24.20 | larsl | Spiff: Ah, hm. I haven't played with the new config file. |
| 18:24.24 | larsl | Anyone else? |
| 18:25.07 | Chestal | always with set |
| 18:25.36 | Spiff | Does it matter where I put it? |
| 18:25.43 | Chestal | no |
| 18:25.55 | [dmp] | learner, MrApathyCream. Thanks for the links, Im gonna spend some time reading. |
| 18:26.45 | larsl | Is everyone else getting ICMP ping requests all the time, or is is just me? |
| 18:26.58 | Spiff | Bah. Didn't work. |
| 18:27.27 | Spiff | I put it right below "set callsign".... but after I save and exit the text editor.. the email line disappears. |
| 18:28.01 | larsl | Spiff: Don't edit it while BZFlag is running, it will rewrite the config file when it exits. |
| 18:28.08 | [dmp] | You do exit bzflag before you change the config file, right? |
| 18:28.29 | Spiff | Hmm.. I had it open.. but saved it after I closed BZ. Lemme try again and we'll see. :-) |
| 18:30.15 | Spiff | Okay.. so it should be "set email <email>?" |
| 18:32.01 | Spiff | Ahhhhhhh! There's the problem. |
| 18:32.32 | Spiff | It's 'set email "<email>."' |
| 18:32.48 | Spiff | I didn't realize it required quotation marks now. |
| 18:32.58 | Spiff | And those bots are cool by the way. ;-) |
| 18:40.50 | MrApathyCream | Spiff, bots or roger? |
| 18:41.08 | Tupone | He see both |
| 18:41.20 | Tupone | I was with him |
| 18:41.26 | MrApathyCream | ah |
| 18:41.37 | MrApathyCream | 10 bots on rabbit are pretty cool looking at the radar |
| 18:41.44 | MrApathyCream | look like sharks coming for meat |
| 18:42.10 | Tupone | I'll see both bots and their path. Its amazing |
| 18:42.50 | RoastBeef | so sometime between 61 hours ago and 50 hours ago, bzfs was b0rked |
| 18:46.34 | Spiff | Is "Roger" a special program? Or is he going to replace the -solo bots? |
| 18:46.51 | Tupone | roger is when you press 9 |
| 18:47.38 | RoastBeef | If you want to call bzflag "a special program", then sure |
| 18:49.45 | Spiff | Bah. Okies.... so "he" is a part of the client now? |
| 18:52.36 | Spiff | Ohh. Auto Pilot. Hmm. :-) |
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| 18:52.44 | Spiff | So what's with the smarter bots? Are they new? |
| 18:53.44 | Tupone | They are not new, they were bugged, and still they are (in some way) |
| 18:54.06 | Tupone | they are part of the client, too |
| 18:54.25 | Quol | hello all |
| 18:54.27 | Spiff | Ohh. So they're the "old" bots.. but made a little better? |
| 18:54.29 | Spiff | Hi Quol. :-) |
| 18:54.48 | Quol | which version are the new bots making their apperance in? |
| 18:56.10 | larsl | Quol: Next? =) |
| 18:56.37 | Quol | larsl: thanks :) |
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| 18:57.40 | Spiff | It's interesting to play with "Auto Pilot"... hehe. |
| 18:57.59 | Quol | is the code for the new bots in the current CVS? for 1.9? or 1.7? |
| 18:58.07 | Tupone | 1.9 |
| 18:58.27 | Quol | thanks Tupone. |
| 18:58.43 | larsl | Do we have some kind of switch in the server? Allow/disallow autopiloting? |
| 18:58.50 | Tupone | Quol: sry, i didn't understand your previous question |
| 19:00.42 | Chestal | Tupone: have you tried my aiming hack? |
| 19:01.15 | Tupone | No: I see strange effect on the cvs robot, so I try with that simple map. |
| 19:02.07 | Tupone | I'm trying to put some of the fix I made on bots but again a warning problem on BZDB access |
| 19:02.24 | Tupone | assignment to int from float |
| 19:02.40 | Chestal | oh? must be the recent changes |
| 19:03.03 | Chestal | if it's like int g = BZDB->eval, simply put an int(BZDB->eval..) cast around it |
| 19:03.13 | Tupone | I'll put a cast |
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| 19:06.05 | Tupone | I'll think I have fixed the problem with bot hanging. Again float maths precision |
| 19:06.20 | synic | hey... with the new version of bzflag (it's not that new), every time I start it the screen flashes a lot, and I have to guess where to change the video mode. As soon as I change it, the flashing stops. When I restart, it happens again |
| 19:06.26 | synic | is this something common? |
| 19:06.54 | Tupone | OS? |
| 19:06.59 | synic | Linux |
| 19:07.08 | synic | using the nvidia drivers |
| 19:07.50 | Tupone | new one drivers? |
| 19:08.12 | synic | they aren't the newest drivers... I'm using 0.3x, they are the only ones that work on this system for some reason. |
| 19:08.33 | Tupone | I have 4349 and it work |
| 19:08.50 | synic | yeah, the 0.4x drivers crash this sytem |
| 19:08.55 | synic | I dunno why |
| 19:09.17 | Tupone | what distro? |
| 19:09.23 | synic | gentoo |
| 19:09.30 | synic | but they didn't work in slack either |
| 19:09.47 | RoastBeef | Well.. I've traced the bug down to about 200 lines |
| 19:11.48 | Tupone | Chestal: wtf with BZDBCache, I get a lot of unresolved |
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| 19:18.29 | Chestal | uhm, let me update and try |
| 19:19.42 | Chestal | Tupone: I guess that MAC added a file in the Windows build and it's not integrated into autoconf yet |
| 19:20.07 | Tupone | I see. I had fixed and now I'll put in on CVS |
| 19:20.44 | Patlabor221 | somone should document the steps to add a file to each build system |
| 19:22.09 | RoastBeef | down to 150 lines... |
| 19:22.47 | Tupone | Normally is simple, just adding name on Makefile.am. You want a checklist ? |
| 19:24.22 | Patlabor221 | for those of us who do not have linux or know how automake works, YES |
| 19:25.28 | Patlabor221 | and perhaps a list of contact people to go to if there are issues adding the file. |
| 19:25.41 | Patlabor221 | the same should be done for windows and any other OS build system |
| 19:26.15 | Tupone | CIA is off! |
| 19:26.17 | Patlabor221 | then there would be no excuse for me or mac to not add files to the makefile |
| 19:26.24 | Patlabor221 | yes cia is off |
| 19:26.49 | Tupone | I didn't see my commit :) |
| 19:27.06 | Patlabor221 | CIA hasn't been on for a day or so |
| 19:27.58 | Patlabor221 | chestal, did you read my versioning idea? |
| 19:28.01 | scanline | we're still working on fixing the server it's on :P |
| 19:28.23 | Patlabor221 | did you get a new CPU for it? |
| 19:28.44 | scanline | among other things |
| 19:28.56 | Patlabor221 | what is it running now? |
| 19:29.14 | scanline | long story :P |
| 19:29.20 | Chestal | Patlabor: yes, fine with me |
| 19:30.10 | Patlabor221 | I think I got tim convinced as well, if I hear nothing else by monday I will write it up in CVS and then bump the minor rev "just cus" :) |
| 19:30.52 | Patlabor221 | tho I may have new toys to play with on monday. |
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| 19:39.44 | fiberchu1ks | ugh |
| 19:40.10 | fiberchu1ks | someone unplugged my dern laptop power cable :\ |
| 19:40.37 | Patlabor221 | fun |
| 19:43.35 | RoastBeef | hrm. I think I've found the problem |
| 19:44.12 | RoastBeef | The only thing left are the FlagDesc's in Flags |
| 19:58.55 | purple_cow | yeehaw for Z C700s |
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| 20:10.26 | *** mode/#bzflag [+b *cell*!*@*] by ChanServ |
| 20:10.26 | *** part/#bzflag PerfectCell (~edelstei@pD9E8DBF8.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 20:13.41 | fiberchu1ks | lol |
| 20:15.24 | *** part/#bzflag Quol (~quolsimo@modemcable052.11-203-24.mtl.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 20:18.46 | JBDiGriz | pat, have you ever used the Apple versioning, where current builds would be released as 1.9.0d<#> |
| 20:19.09 | JBDiGriz | d == development b==beta a==alpha rc==release candidate |
| 20:19.37 | JBDiGriz | When you finally release, you just drop the letter and everything following. |
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| 21:07.45 | Patlabor221X2 | http://files.redvsblue.com/movieez/private/PDC/PDC_HiRes.mov |
| 21:08.54 | Patlabor221X2 | gotta love it when MS comissions people to make fun of themselves |
| 21:31.05 | Patlabor221X2 | I wonder if Nidhoggr found his IRC RPG bot\ |
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| 21:59.05 | RoastBeef | DTR: cross ref wasn't up to date -- it's updating now |
| 21:59.35 | DTRemenak | whois roastbeef |
| 21:59.41 | [dmp] | learner |
| 21:59.42 | DTRemenak | oops |
| 21:59.49 | RoastBeef | heh, oh yea |
| 21:59.50 | [dmp] | Or lunch :) |
| 21:59.54 | DTRemenak | oh, right |
| 21:59.56 | RoastBeef | I finished that goodie :) |
| 22:00.39 | DTRemenak | I figured so, because otherwise it would have been very odd indeed that you knew I was looking at it :) |
| 22:00.48 | learner | w00T! |
| 22:01.33 | learner | hehe, yea -- big brother is usually watching all of his logs :) |
| 22:02.08 | learner | wow, what was causing the bug was rather unexpected.. |
| 22:02.22 | DTRemenak | what was it? |
| 22:02.24 | Patlabor221X2 | what was it? |
| 22:02.32 | learner | the new version stuff |
| 22:02.43 | Patlabor221X2 | ???? how? |
| 22:02.58 | Patlabor221X2 | buffer run over? |
| 22:03.11 | learner | something funky going on with the three globals being used.. |
| 22:03.30 | Patlabor221X2 | make em static in the funcs then |
| 22:06.32 | learner | wierd.. if I make them static inside the function, the problem comes back |
| 22:06.57 | Patlabor221X2 | it's just a global |
| 22:09.24 | Patlabor221X2 | unless your OS string makes it too long |
| 22:09.38 | learner | that may be |
| 22:09.49 | Patlabor221X2 | bump up the sizes and see |
| 22:10.06 | learner | doing that now |
| 22:10.07 | larsl | Too long? |
| 22:10.26 | Patlabor221X2 | may be a buffer overrun proboem |
| 22:10.43 | Patlabor221X2 | there is a buffer that keeps the version string, and it has the OS type in it |
| 22:10.52 | larsl | Ah. |
| 22:13.19 | Patlabor221X2 | 23 characters may not be enough maybe |
| 22:15.04 | learner | bingo |
| 22:15.18 | Patlabor221X2 | was it too small? |
| 22:15.39 | learner | my string is 27 chars long |
| 22:15.42 | learner | 1.9.0-darwin6.6-CVS20030913 |
| 22:15.55 | Patlabor221X2 | heh |
| 22:16.05 | Patlabor221X2 | I'm bumping it to 63 chars |
| 22:17.10 | Patlabor221X2 | done |
| 22:17.12 | learner | jeesh.. I hate memory errors.. |
| 22:17.25 | Patlabor221X2 | yeah |
| 22:17.47 | Patlabor221X2 | that splains why none of us could dupe it ether. |
| 22:18.20 | learner | worse than bunny hunt against a bunny holding stealth |
| 22:18.38 | Patlabor221X2 | when he was campin in that floating island? |
| 22:18.46 | learner | hehe, yes! |
| 22:20.03 | learner | I at least could occasionally see his tank.. this sent me looking at every fscking static data member |
| 22:20.46 | Patlabor221X2 | you need something like bounds checker |
| 22:21.42 | learner | yea, didn't have a debug malloc lib on hand (nor did I think that was the problem) |
| 22:21.45 | scanline | learner: just port valgrind to PPC :) |
| 22:22.44 | larsl | A version string with linux-gnu is exactly the same length. |
| 22:23.02 | learner | there's a handful of libs already that do that -- heck i think apple's debug malloc will do it; gcc just kept complaining about destructing a static data object |
| 22:23.32 | learner | in hindsight it makes sense |
| 22:23.40 | larsl | Why not just use a std::string instead? |
| 22:23.54 | learner | that's probably a good idea |
| 22:24.10 | Patlabor221X2 | yeah, I'm just not too good with streams |
| 22:24.23 | Patlabor221X2 | and there is no sprinf for std::strings |
| 22:24.35 | larsl | std::string::c_str() =) |
| 22:24.35 | learner | that's easy enough to remedy :) |
| 22:24.44 | learner | those are const |
| 22:25.03 | Patlabor221X2 | and you have no clue how long it is |
| 22:25.12 | learner | string.size() |
| 22:25.21 | learner | or strlen() |
| 22:25.28 | Patlabor221X2 | and it would be 0 before you put anything in it |
| 22:25.42 | Patlabor221X2 | so how you could put that into sprintf |
| 22:26.06 | larsl | Huh? |
| 22:26.08 | learner | you couldn't without abashing the compiler warning |
| 22:26.27 | Patlabor221X2 | or posibly writing over the bounds of the internal data for the string |
| 22:26.46 | Patlabor221X2 | I wish they had std::string.format() |
| 22:26.54 | Patlabor221X2 | like CString has |
| 22:32.14 | Tupone | why not using an snprintf? |
| 22:32.29 | Patlabor221X2 | they have that? |
| 22:32.47 | Tupone | who? |
| 22:32.59 | Patlabor221X2 | the magical "they" who make up these functions |
| 22:33.18 | learner | that would have found/releaved the problem, but I think a configure check would have been in order |
| 22:33.37 | Patlabor221X2 | learner you just wana make it use a std::string? |
| 22:33.47 | learner | doing that now |
| 22:33.52 | Patlabor221X2 | do some of that stream >> stuff |
| 22:42.20 | Patlabor221X2 | is the new word filter clientside or server side? |
| 22:42.26 | learner | server side |
| 22:42.39 | Patlabor221X2 | how hard would it be to have it filter client side as well? |
| 22:43.02 | learner | trivial, though the client would need to have a filter file as well (or the words sent to him) |
| 22:43.02 | Patlabor221X2 | like if somone wanted more filtering then the server op cared to do |
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| 22:43.12 | Patlabor221X2 | yeah that's what I'm thinking |
| 22:43.20 | learner | sure, that's easy enough actually |
| 22:43.29 | Patlabor221X2 | I think that would be a good feature as well |
| 22:43.48 | Patlabor221X2 | and it would shut up all the people who complain about swearing |
| 22:43.55 | learner | not a bad idea |
| 22:44.03 | Patlabor221X2 | cus really the acceptable level is a per person bassis |
| 22:44.22 | learner | it would be "nice" if they could enter their words via the menus.. |
| 22:44.37 | Patlabor221X2 | that would be even nicer, but lets start small :) |
| 22:44.56 | Patlabor221X2 | I don't mind words like ass, bitch and the like, so maybe my server would allow them |
| 22:45.01 | learner | it would be "nice" if I had a document that told me how to modify the menus :) |
| 22:45.10 | Patlabor221X2 | but some book thumpers/parents may want more filtes |
| 22:45.17 | Patlabor221X2 | yes I concur |
| 22:45.40 | learner | I'll remember to call you a bitch-ass coder ;) |
| 22:45.43 | Patlabor221X2 | and perhaps we can put some sample word files in etc |
| 22:45.55 | Patlabor221X2 | as loong as I can call you an assclown |
| 22:45.56 | learner | I'll refrain from the reverse, though |
| 22:46.08 | learner | hehe, sure |
| 22:46.37 | learner | where would this data live, though? in .bzflag?? |
| 22:46.54 | Patlabor221X2 | it would be nice to have a "strict" filter there in like an extras folder for people to use and modify, but I would not make it there by default |
| 22:47.25 | Patlabor221X2 | well I would have it just look for .BZWordFilter |
| 22:47.28 | Patlabor221X2 | if it's tehre use it |
| 22:47.31 | Patlabor221X2 | if not don't |
| 22:47.35 | learner | if we had a .bzflag directory like has been mentioned, it would be a logical home |
| 22:47.37 | Patlabor221X2 | and perhaps a command line to overide it |
| 22:47.43 | Patlabor221X2 | I would concur |
| 22:48.04 | Patlabor221X2 | I should make windows make a sub dir too |
| 22:48.19 | Patlabor221X2 | tho it allready is in "My documents" |
| 22:48.40 | Patlabor221X2 | I would have it check that dir, and the root dir of the exe |
| 22:48.42 | learner | hrm.. we could stash a simple default set into the data directory |
| 22:49.05 | Patlabor221X2 | well I think we should have a "extras" folder that goes with the clients |
| 22:49.10 | Patlabor221X2 | with filters |
| 22:49.26 | Patlabor221X2 | and maybe some difrent texture sets |
| 22:49.29 | Patlabor221X2 | and stuff like that |
| 22:49.38 | learner | how's that different than the data dir? |
| 22:49.54 | Patlabor221X2 | the data dir has stuff that is used by the game |
| 22:49.59 | Patlabor221X2 | everything in there is used |
| 22:50.08 | Patlabor221X2 | this would be a place for optional stuff |
| 22:50.20 | Patlabor221X2 | just would make it a bit easyer to understand |
| 22:50.35 | Patlabor221X2 | then we could put a readme in there with what the extras are and how to use them |
| 22:51.07 | learner | hrm.. that sounds like a bit weak reasoning -- I would have said it's because you want filter's per user, not per app ;) |
| 22:51.11 | Patlabor221X2 | if your just browsing the folder you would not know to look in the data dir for that |
| 22:51.17 | learner | but I agree :) |
| 22:51.29 | Tupone | someone is working on global.cxx ? there's an editing error in that ... can I put my own version |
| 22:51.39 | Patlabor221X2 | what is the error? |
| 22:51.42 | learner | wh? |
| 22:51.56 | Tupone | a little w after a curly braket |
| 22:52.07 | Patlabor221X2 | line? |
| 22:52.12 | Tupone | 107 |
| 22:52.27 | Patlabor221X2 | ha that was me |
| 22:52.45 | learner | oh, i thought I had done that :) |
| 22:52.47 | Patlabor221X2 | fixed |
| 22:53.15 | Patlabor221X2 | I would want a filter per user too |
| 22:53.21 | Patlabor221X2 | but the sample can go in the extras folder |
| 22:53.41 | Patlabor221X2 | or a parent could put it in the app dir, so that no mater what it gets filters |
| 22:54.37 | Patlabor221X2 | but maybe later like on the windows bin builds I could put BZEdit in the extras folder, and perhaps the server GUI or something |
| 22:54.56 | Patlabor221X2 | things that people could use but are not needed for the game |
| 22:55.07 | Patlabor221X2 | and things that can be used by non sourcies |
| 22:57.38 | *** topic/#bzflag by learner -> http://BZFlag.org/ || http://list.BZFlag.org/ || http://stats.BZFlag.org/ || forums http://bzbb.bzflag.org || put javadoc-style /** comments */ in headers! || cvs snapshots: http://sfsnap.babylonia.flatirons.org/ Win32 versions http://www.bakadigital.com/BZ/19 || check out new /poll, /vote, and /veto commands on brlcad.org:14242 |
| 22:58.54 | Patlabor221X2 | now that is funky port |
| 22:59.54 | learner | it was 4242 which made sense to me, but apparently chestal is bocked that low |
| 23:00.10 | learner | er, blocked |
| 23:06.08 | *** join/#bzflag bryjen (bryjen@ky-owensboro1a-242.owboky.adelphia.net) |
| 23:08.20 | *** part/#bzflag synic (~synic@slkcdslgw12PoolF91.slkc.uswest.net) |
| 23:09.03 | *** join/#bzflag MrCooper_ (~daenzer@dclient80-218-114-28.hispeed.ch) |
| 23:09.43 | JBDiGriz | Mr. "Where's the Beef" is apparently building with the make script again. |
| 23:09.56 | learner | :) |
| 23:10.15 | learner | Both, what'd I miss? |
| 23:10.33 | learner | I haven't build with PB since Friday when I started bug hunting |
| 23:10.58 | JBDiGriz | BZDBCache.{h,cxx} |
| 23:11.10 | learner | oh, that was just added this morning |
| 23:13.15 | *** join/#bzflag creeperz (~creeperz@host-11-76-220-24.midco.net) |
| 23:14.28 | Patlabor221X2 | I wonder who he keeps looking for |
| 23:15.42 | JBDiGriz | I only see 1 1.9 server available today. Is everything besides xmission down? |
| 23:16.07 | bryjen | brlcad? |
| 23:16.23 | JBDiGriz | Not listed |
| 23:16.38 | learner | ouch |
| 23:17.17 | Patlabor221X2 | naw your not in the list output |
| 23:17.43 | learner | hrm.. it's running |
| 23:17.59 | larsl | I see it in the list. |
| 23:18.01 | learner | and I can connect to it via telnet |
| 23:18.15 | Tupone | brlcad crashed while I was playing in |
| 23:18.21 | learner | maybe the list server dynamic dns is slapping |
| 23:18.31 | learner | i did? |
| 23:18.49 | learner | JB: see if you can get to brlcad.org:14242 |
| 23:19.23 | *** join/#bzflag Patlabor221 (~jeffm@adsl-64-167-79-133.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) |
| 23:19.24 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o Patlabor221] by ChanServ |
| 23:19.31 | *** part/#bzflag Tupone (~Tupone@ppp-217-133-255-186.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) |
| 23:19.58 | bryjen | hmm. now there really is patlabor221 x 2 |
| 23:21.23 | Patlabor221 | odd right when I connected it boote me from here |
| 23:21.55 | bzgirl | is asgard RH 8 or 9? |
| 23:21.58 | Patlabor221 | ahhh, one clean deskop |
| 23:22.07 | Patlabor221 | it's somewhere inbetween |
| 23:22.48 | bryjen | learner: I can connect to brlcad, but i don't show it in the list |
| 23:23.19 | learner | well, no you wont for sure -- I'm recompiling everything clean |
| 23:24.00 | larsl | I can list it and connect to it. |
| 23:25.29 | Patlabor221 | me as well |
| 23:25.38 | bryjen | list-cache? |
| 23:26.25 | learner | server's recompiling right now -- it's not going to show up |
| 23:27.37 | Patlabor221 | damn, it takes a while to upload 1.9 megs from home to asgard |
| 23:27.50 | Patlabor221 | and I can see the building it's going to from here :( |
| 23:28.58 | Patlabor221 | or maybe I could make my desktop smaller so the screenshot isn't 1.9 megs :) |
| 23:56.58 | Patlabor221 | where was that site that would tell you where an IP was? |
| 23:57.06 | learner | whatismyip.com? |
| 23:57.58 | Patlabor221 | no not what, where |
| 23:58.02 | Patlabor221 | like in the real world |
| 23:58.18 | learner | ah |
| 23:58.24 | learner | that's visualroute |
| 23:59.03 | learner | http://visualroute.visualware.com/ |
| 23:59.23 | learner | ewww.. they want you to register now.. |
| 23:59.40 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
