| 00:00.57 | patlabor221 | anyone know where php dumps errors out to? |
| 00:02.58 | larsl | It prints some error messages directly to the webpage. |
| 00:03.10 | *** part/#bzflag david_v (~david_v@c213-200-135-241.cm-upc.chello.se) |
| 00:05.41 | [dmp] | You might need to change error_reporting to get all warnings. If functions are prefixed with @ the error wont by displayed anyway. |
| 00:06.04 | patlabor221 | actualy I think my problem is the fact that it's NOT even processing the php |
| 00:07.14 | [dmp] | Your webserver is just showing the source? |
| 00:07.40 | larsl | If you're running Apache you might need to tell it which directories it should allow PHP processing in. |
| 00:07.44 | patlabor221 | only for some vhoss |
| 00:07.45 | patlabor221 | it's odd |
| 00:07.55 | patlabor221 | that's what I'm looking for now |
| 00:13.03 | patlabor221 | ohh |
| 00:13.09 | patlabor221 | silly pages |
| 00:13.34 | patlabor221 | would help if they had <?php at the top |
| 00:13.40 | larsl | =) |
| 00:14.00 | patlabor221 | who makes this crap and expects it work |
| 01:04.12 | captain_proton | heh |
| 01:10.39 | *** join/#bzflag Patlabor221 (~jeffm@adsl-64-173-105-70.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) |
| 01:10.39 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o Patlabor221] by ChanServ |
| 01:10.59 | fiberchunks | phweee |
| 01:11.07 | Patlabor221 | phwoooo |
| 01:11.14 | fiberchunks | phwhy |
| 01:11.28 | Patlabor221 | phcusisayso |
| 01:11.46 | fiberchunks | heh, whaz happenin |
| 01:11.55 | Patlabor221 | not much |
| 01:11.56 | learner | phamberger with cheese |
| 01:12.11 | Patlabor221 | how's it goin out there? |
| 01:12.39 | captain_proton | whaz reaalllll |
| 01:12.40 | fiberchunks | kosher -- just looking for a decent 'gallery' software -- scanline recommended one, but I can't remember what it was called |
| 01:12.48 | captain_proton | 'gallery' |
| 01:12.49 | captain_proton | :) |
| 01:12.51 | scanline | 'gallery' is good |
| 01:12.55 | fiberchunks | good ghod :\ |
| 01:13.03 | fiberchunks | of course it had to be that simple ;) |
| 01:13.07 | Patlabor221 | www.hotscripts.com has a good listing of stuff like that |
| 01:13.09 | scanline | if you want something quick and dirty, there are a bunch on freshmeat, like igal and album |
| 01:13.19 | fiberchunks | coolio -- thx |
| 01:13.25 | scanline | gallery isn't quick and dirty though, it's quite nice |
| 01:13.59 | fiberchunks | yeah, it's for long term storage, so a little learning curve for lots of features is fine with me |
| 01:14.22 | captain_proton | scanline: when are you planning to bring navi down? |
| 01:14.37 | scanline | captain_proton: once our DSL works and we have a stable IP |
| 01:14.46 | fiberchunks | you guys moved yet? |
| 01:14.49 | Patlabor221 | since you are home cap, you should watch the red Vs. blue movies :) |
| 01:15.04 | captain_proton | ...we? |
| 01:15.09 | captain_proton | there shall be many stable IPs |
| 01:15.18 | scanline | ah, right |
| 01:15.23 | Patlabor221 | many = 2? |
| 01:15.38 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: technically as many as we want |
| 01:15.48 | Patlabor221 | very nice |
| 01:15.55 | scanline | Patlabor221: we move tomorrow |
| 01:16.22 | fiberchunks | when's school start back up? |
| 01:17.17 | captain_proton | hey neat |
| 01:17.33 | captain_proton | you can get a plot of any dsl circuit's traffic |
| 01:19.51 | larsl | Start? When did it end? |
| 01:20.09 | fiberchunks | heh, it ended for me a loooonnnngggg time ago, regretfully ;) |
| 01:20.30 | fiberchunks | perpetual student-dom would be a nice career, though I don't know of any sucesses with it |
| 01:20.32 | *** join/#bzflag MrApathyCream (MAC@balt-209-163-100-208.qis-dynamic-dialup.coretel.net) |
| 01:20.41 | learner | MAC! |
| 01:20.48 | MrApathyCream | learner! |
| 01:21.36 | captain_proton | hrm scanline |
| 01:21.53 | scanline | hm? |
| 01:22.09 | captain_proton | it looks like the DSL subnets are 192.11 =/ |
| 01:23.07 | captain_proton | err actually |
| 01:23.09 | captain_proton | 198.11 |
| 01:23.15 | captain_proton | thats public, i believe |
| 01:23.29 | scanline | mkay |
| 01:23.52 | captain_proton | yep |
| 01:24.00 | captain_proton | NetRange: 198.11.16.0 - 198.11.31.255 |
| 01:24.00 | captain_proton | CIDR: 198.11.16.0/20 |
| 01:24.00 | captain_proton | NetName: NETBLK-CU-B- |
| 01:24.00 | captain_proton | NetHandle: NET-198-11-16-0-1 |
| 01:24.00 | captain_proton | Parent: NET-198-0-0-0-0 |
| 01:24.01 | captain_proton | NetType: Direct Assignment |
| 01:25.40 | captain_proton | so they've allocated the DSL to 6 /24s |
| 01:27.53 | captain_proton | they allocated their entire class B |
| 01:28.29 | captain_proton | so they got another /20 from ARIN and it looks another /22 from CSN |
| 01:28.40 | captain_proton | both in the 198 range |
| 01:28.57 | captain_proton | (zippo.colorado.edu is a very cool page) |
| 01:29.51 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 01:30.08 | captain_proton | and 172.20.152/23 |
| 01:31.26 | scanline | hmm |
| 01:32.01 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/include (Protocol.h): convert default port to iana's official 5154 |
| 01:33.49 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (bzfs.cxx): remove -noudp option |
| 01:34.11 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/ (TODO): Shrink Release TODO list |
| 01:42.37 | Patlabor221 | so you just gonna ask for a class C then? |
| 01:42.58 | captain_proton | heh, naw |
| 01:43.11 | captain_proton | we'll probably have 10 v4 addys |
| 01:43.17 | captain_proton | but we will get a /48 v6 |
| 01:43.20 | Patlabor221 | but that thought about it, didn't ya? |
| 01:43.40 | captain_proton | hah |
| 01:43.42 | captain_proton | actually |
| 01:43.47 | larsl | What are the *.fti files in the data dir? It looks like some kind of vector graphics. |
| 01:43.48 | captain_proton | i wonder if CU routes v6 for DSL |
| 01:44.52 | Patlabor221 | arn't they the font metrics? |
| 01:45.08 | captain_proton | its brazil, one to nil, thirty shots on goal, we both know you won't fail |
| 01:47.36 | Patlabor221 | is there an electrical symbol for an aimplifyer? |
| 01:47.46 | Patlabor221 | or is that more of a complex thingy? |
| 01:48.04 | scanline | a triangle |
| 01:48.24 | scanline | generally means a buffer or amplifier |
| 01:48.32 | Patlabor221 | like 2 innies and one outtie? |
| 01:48.51 | scanline | http://www.elexp.com/tips/noninvrt.gif |
| 01:49.07 | Patlabor221 | k |
| 01:49.08 | Patlabor221 | thanks |
| 01:49.52 | larsl | Gah, it's 3:48 here. |
| 01:49.53 | tea|tree | hui |
| 01:49.57 | tea|tree | here too |
| 01:49.58 | tea|tree | ^^ |
| 01:50.39 | tea|tree | ~ |
| 01:50.42 | tea|tree | ~d |
| 01:52.45 | captain_proton | http://graphics.ucsd.edu/~henrik/images/imgs/milk.jpg |
| 01:53.18 | dougAtWork | is soy one of them? |
| 01:53.28 | scanline | the one on the left actually looks like milk |
| 01:53.38 | scanline | the right one looks like a piece of chalk |
| 01:53.50 | scanline | middle one is kinda weird... |
| 01:54.01 | captain_proton | the middle one is supposed to be whole milk |
| 01:54.06 | scanline | ah |
| 01:54.12 | captain_proton | the right one is just a standard diffuse BRDF |
| 01:54.14 | captain_proton | :) |
| 01:54.19 | scanline | :) |
| 02:00.08 | bzgirl | learner:poke |
| 02:00.17 | tea|tree | huh? |
| 02:00.19 | tea|tree | hello |
| 02:00.20 | tea|tree | ^^ |
| 02:00.33 | bzgirl | hi tea|tree |
| 02:00.55 | tea|tree | ^^ |
| 02:10.11 | cods | what happen to happypenguin ? |
| 02:11.00 | Patlabor221 | ferrets |
| 02:12.44 | dougAtWork | network packets travelling uphill (use a carrier pigeon) |
| 03:27.42 | tea|tree | huh |
| 03:27.48 | Patlabor221 | http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/cast/sackhoff.html |
| 03:27.48 | tea|tree | Patlabor221: whats the time? |
| 03:27.56 | Patlabor221 | starbuck is gonna be a lady |
| 03:28.44 | tea|tree | going on holiday today |
| 03:28.59 | tea|tree | 7 days |
| 03:30.54 | Patlabor221 | what does that have to do with starbuck and boomer being hodties? |
| 03:30.56 | Patlabor221 | :) |
| 03:31.11 | tea|tree | dunno |
| 03:31.16 | tea|tree | lol |
| 03:31.21 | tea|tree | whats the time? |
| 03:31.37 | Patlabor221 | your computer dosn't have a clock? |
| 03:31.41 | Patlabor221 | it's 8:31 |
| 03:31.47 | tea|tree | geeesh |
| 03:31.49 | learner | ~time |
| 03:31.50 | | [time] 4:30 |
| 03:31.50 | tea|tree | thats mean |
| 03:31.57 | learner | ~date |
| 03:31.58 | | Sat Aug 16 03:31:58 2003 |
| 03:32.02 | MrApathyCream | anyone know what '* add byte lengths to each world component |
| 03:32.02 | MrApathyCream | ' means? |
| 03:32.08 | learner | heh, they don't match :) |
| 03:32.40 | learner | mac: means add more network io to slow the game down |
| 03:33.06 | scanline | grr |
| 03:33.07 | scanline | no |
| 03:33.14 | tea|tree | lol |
| 03:33.15 | learner | heh |
| 03:33.15 | MrApathyCream | or '* either use AudioFile or disable it from the build |
| 03:33.15 | MrApathyCream | ' ? |
| 03:33.22 | scanline | MrApathyCream: make all the world blocks like messages, in that they have lengths for each block |
| 03:33.30 | MrApathyCream | pascal-like? |
| 03:33.50 | scanline | it will be exactly what we do for messages... |
| 03:33.50 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: no reason to require the ogg libs if we're not using it |
| 03:33.57 | MrApathyCream | oh ogg |
| 03:34.01 | MrApathyCream | he said AudioFile |
| 03:34.17 | tea|tree | geesh |
| 03:34.24 | tea|tree | what the hell are u talking about |
| 03:34.28 | MrApathyCream | scanline, you mean the binary version of the world should have length prefixes? |
| 03:34.29 | tea|tree | other world |
| 03:34.45 | scanline | MrApathyCream: not really prefixes.. after each block ID |
| 03:34.54 | scanline | MrApathyCream: world blocks should look just like messages |
| 03:34.54 | learner | meh, if we have to require tweedledee as it is, it's no big jump to require tweedledum |
| 03:35.12 | learner | tweedle ogg/vorbis that is |
| 03:35.35 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: i said AudioFile |
| 03:35.52 | captain_proton | but AudioFile isn't actually hooked up to anything |
| 03:36.41 | MrApathyCream | well AudioFile is the superclass of WaveAudioFile |
| 03:36.54 | captain_proton | WaveAudioFile isn't hooked up either, is it? |
| 03:37.19 | MrApathyCream | oh i see, we just use sound.cxx |
| 03:37.24 | captain_proton | right |
| 03:37.43 | captain_proton | it would be nice to hook up SNDMGR, but thats a very large project |
| 03:37.54 | captain_proton | because SNDMGR relies heavily on 1.8's MPLATFORM |
| 03:38.28 | MrApathyCream | yeah |
| 03:38.31 | MrApathyCream | removing.... |
| 03:39.59 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/src/mediafile (Makefile.am): remove sound files from media file for now |
| 03:40.19 | captain_proton | um...are you sure it all builds |
| 03:40.25 | captain_proton | it might require AudioFile to link |
| 03:40.30 | captain_proton | just not OggAudioFile, etc |
| 03:41.38 | tea|tree | nite |
| 03:41.38 | MrApathyCream | win builds ok |
| 03:41.48 | tea|tree | 5.45 here |
| 03:42.07 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: your commit didn't include the windows build stuff |
| 03:42.22 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/win32 (mediafile.dsp): removing sound files from mediafile dir for now |
| 03:42.35 | bzgirl | cu tea|tree |
| 03:43.10 | Patlabor221 | cap did you know they are gonna make starbuck a woman? |
| 03:43.15 | captain_proton | starbuck? |
| 03:43.29 | *** part/#bzflag tea|tree (~tea|tree@pD9E95469.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 03:43.30 | learner | a woman? |
| 03:43.46 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 03:43.51 | Patlabor221 | Battlestar Galactica |
| 03:44.09 | Patlabor221 | Starbuck and Boomer |
| 03:44.57 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/ (2 files in 2 dirs): removing sound mediafile stuff |
| 03:45.38 | captain_proton | welp, looks like it links to me |
| 03:46.10 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/ (TODO): update todo nix AudioFile stuff |
| 03:47.31 | MrApathyCream | so scanline, you mean each time sendWorld gets called it should look like a typical MsgXXX packet? |
| 03:47.48 | scanline | MrApathyCream: no, the blocks within the binary world |
| 03:47.56 | scanline | pyramids, boxes, and such |
| 03:47.58 | MrApathyCream | oh, so the boxes, |
| 03:48.02 | MrApathyCream | ok |
| 03:48.08 | captain_proton | every other message has <length><type> |
| 03:48.13 | captain_proton | blocks only have <type> |
| 03:48.37 | Patlabor221 | yeah there was lots of guessing and praying |
| 03:49.34 | MrApathyCream | that really doesn't make any sense |
| 03:49.58 | Patlabor221 | there was no way to verify if a block size was difrent then you expected |
| 03:50.19 | MrApathyCream | a box is not a message |
| 03:50.39 | MrApathyCream | what for future incompatible versions? |
| 03:50.41 | Patlabor221 | but it's still a data chucnk |
| 03:50.44 | Patlabor221 | basilcy |
| 03:50.51 | MrApathyCream | why not just have a world version |
| 03:50.53 | Patlabor221 | I was adding stuff to the blocks |
| 03:50.59 | Patlabor221 | we do |
| 03:51.04 | MrApathyCream | and toss old versions |
| 03:51.12 | Patlabor221 | double safty for buffer over runs |
| 03:51.14 | Patlabor221 | or under |
| 03:51.52 | MrApathyCream | so all the header values in the database we don't change? |
| 03:52.05 | MrApathyCream | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:52.05 | MrApathyCream | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:52.05 | MrApathyCream | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:52.05 | MrApathyCream | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:52.05 | MrApathyCream | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:52.05 | MrApathyCream | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:52.07 | MrApathyCream | type stuff? |
| 03:52.31 | Patlabor221 | huh? |
| 03:53.30 | MrApathyCream | that is part of the world download too |
| 03:53.44 | Patlabor221 | that's part of the world data yeah |
| 03:53.59 | MrApathyCream | but that doesn't get length prefixes, just boxes, pyrs etc |
| 03:54.08 | Patlabor221 | it's got a size |
| 03:54.12 | Patlabor221 | the 30 |
| 03:54.17 | MrApathyCream | ah |
| 03:54.17 | MrApathyCream | ok |
| 04:01.33 | MrApathyCream | hmmmm why are bases packing commented out in bzfs |
| 04:01.48 | Patlabor221 | they are send seperate |
| 04:02.06 | Patlabor221 | a map can specify bases, but not the CTF flags, so it won't send the bases |
| 04:02.43 | Patlabor221 | the code for that is lame |
| 04:03.07 | MrApathyCream | oh, ok i see |
| 04:05.15 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/src (2 files in 2 dirs): add world object sizes ala messages in world database |
| 04:06.19 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/ (TODO): update todo |
| 04:14.28 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (bzfs.cxx): document problems |
| 04:15.44 | learner | why the fsck does gimp what every version of docbook |
| 04:16.23 | CIA | 03jeffm2501 * 12bzflag/ (2 files in 2 dirs): added -worldsize to server for random maps |
| 04:19.22 | bzgirl | do need to build man pages for 1.9? |
| 04:19.26 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/misc (bzfs_conf.html): removed -noudp |
| 04:19.31 | MrApathyCream | bzgirl yes |
| 04:19.40 | bzgirl | make man? |
| 04:19.43 | MrApathyCream | need to doc rabbit for one |
| 04:19.43 | bzgirl | heh |
| 04:19.53 | learner | make woman? |
| 04:19.58 | learner | hehe |
| 04:21.59 | CIA | 03jeffm2501 * 12bzflag/ (ChangeLog): tuned all flags into pumpkins :) |
| 04:39.19 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/ (2 files in 2 dirs): no reason to be a slackard |
| 04:45.24 | bzgirl | when i build 1.9 it goes into this loop... |
| 04:45.26 | bzgirl | /bin/sh /home/orchid/bzflag/missing --run automake-1.7 --gnu src/mediafile/Makefile |
| 04:45.26 | bzgirl | cd ../.. && /bin/sh ./config.status src/mediafile/Makefile depfiles |
| 04:45.54 | bzgirl | over and over , been 10 mins of this now, usually builds in 6mins |
| 04:46.22 | Patlabor221 | you did the autoconf then the ./configure? |
| 04:46.30 | bzgirl | yes |
| 04:48.21 | captain_proton | bzgirl: make maintainerclean and start over |
| 04:48.37 | Patlabor221 | that sounds really clean |
| 04:48.58 | learner | zestfully |
| 04:49.19 | bzgirl | no rule to make target |
| 04:49.31 | Patlabor221 | should have made it "make spankingclean" |
| 04:49.58 | bzgirl | squekyclean |
| 04:50.18 | learner | maintainer-clean |
| 04:50.33 | bzgirl | ok |
| 04:54.38 | bzgirl | same thing |
| 04:55.12 | MrApathyCream | open bzflag.dsw and choose 'rebuild all' |
| 04:55.20 | learner | lol |
| 04:56.20 | Patlabor221 | and this is from a new tarball right? |
| 04:56.53 | bzgirl | yes the newest |
| 04:56.55 | learner | why is make man necessary?? |
| 05:00.08 | learner | girl, ./autogen.sh and make wasn't enough? |
| 05:00.30 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (World.cxx): ok, actually check the lengths on the client side and fail if bad |
| 05:01.47 | bzgirl | learner this "loop" is during make, not make man |
| 05:01.57 | learner | eep |
| 05:04.06 | Patlabor221 | so what is 1.9.0 gonna be called |
| 05:04.07 | Patlabor221 | ? |
| 05:04.18 | Patlabor221 | 1.9.0 "little, yellow, difrent" |
| 05:05.09 | Patlabor221 | 1.9.0 "stop freaking cheating!" |
| 05:05.11 | Patlabor221 | :) |
| 05:05.47 | MrApathyCream | 1.9.0 "wabbit season" |
| 05:05.56 | learner | oo.. good one :) |
| 05:06.09 | Patlabor221 | 1.9.0 "a gubenorial canditate" |
| 05:06.32 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (2 files in 2 dirs): BZDB vars are handled correctly now, me thinks |
| 05:06.56 | Patlabor221 | wabbit season would work |
| 05:07.40 | Patlabor221 | 1.9.0 "there are NO tanks here" |
| 05:11.52 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/misc (bzfs_conf.html): get config editor more up to date |
| 05:12.25 | MrApathyCream | so what do you think would happen if the server squashed all MsgPlayerUpdates that were bound for tanks > 400m away and facing in another direction? |
| 05:12.45 | MrApathyCream | er, let me restate |
| 05:13.03 | MrApathyCream | by squash i mean, 'keep to a minimum, say 10 a second |
| 05:13.23 | Patlabor221 | people on radar would jump |
| 05:13.40 | MrApathyCream | Patlabor221, jump, yes, but still you get 10 a second |
| 05:14.06 | MrApathyCream | Patlabor221, and deadreckoning would smooth some of it |
| 05:14.26 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 05:14.31 | Patlabor221 | but will it do anything? |
| 05:14.47 | MrApathyCream | right now if 10 people are playing i get > 600 messages a second on my tin can |
| 05:14.53 | MrApathyCream | that can't be healthy |
| 05:15.09 | Patlabor221 | is it your latency or your pipe? |
| 05:15.18 | Patlabor221 | this will not affect latency |
| 05:15.24 | MrApathyCream | *shrug* |
| 05:15.32 | MrApathyCream | probably both |
| 05:15.39 | Patlabor221 | I would not make a change unless you know for sure |
| 05:15.46 | Patlabor221 | is it better with less people? |
| 05:15.52 | MrApathyCream | yes |
| 05:15.58 | Patlabor221 | then it could be pipe |
| 05:16.16 | Patlabor221 | but I would make it a client option that is sent to the server |
| 05:16.26 | Patlabor221 | cus if I'm on a fat pipe why should I be punished |
| 05:16.27 | MrApathyCream | not a bad idea |
| 05:16.48 | MrApathyCream | Patlabor221, or perhaps the server detects thin pipes (ping lags) |
| 05:17.02 | Patlabor221 | lag has nothing to do with pipe size |
| 05:17.12 | MrApathyCream | well, yes. |
| 05:17.16 | Patlabor221 | I've seen 56k DSLs |
| 05:18.32 | *** join/#bzflag Quol_AtWork (~ianf@65.39.216.149) |
| 05:18.37 | MrApathyCream | i think MsgPlayerUpdate dwarfs all other messages |
| 05:18.46 | Patlabor221 | probably |
| 05:18.48 | Patlabor221 | but it should |
| 05:18.49 | MrApathyCream | lo |
| 05:18.54 | Patlabor221 | it is the one that changes most |
| 05:18.56 | Patlabor221 | hello |
| 05:18.59 | MrApathyCream | yes |
| 05:19.00 | Patlabor221 | how large is it? |
| 05:19.08 | MrApathyCream | PlayerState.h |
| 05:19.30 | Patlabor221 | how often do we send? |
| 05:19.53 | MrApathyCream | ~50bytes every 60th of a second or more |
| 05:20.03 | MrApathyCream | 60th of a second if you don't move |
| 05:20.06 | Patlabor221 | that's overkill |
| 05:20.08 | Patlabor221 | for a dialup |
| 05:20.10 | MrApathyCream | more if dead reckoning is wrong |
| 05:20.11 | Patlabor221 | no wonder |
| 05:20.25 | Patlabor221 | that's more then each frame on some machines |
| 05:20.32 | MrApathyCream | yup |
| 05:20.40 | Patlabor221 | 10-15 is fine for a dialup |
| 05:20.50 | MrApathyCream | chestal put in a governor for 60, it used to be unbounded :) |
| 05:20.53 | Patlabor221 | add a throtle to each client |
| 05:21.03 | MrApathyCream | sometimes you'd get 150 |
| 05:21.04 | Patlabor221 | in each player record |
| 05:21.11 | Patlabor221 | default it to 30 |
| 05:21.22 | Patlabor221 | make the client send an optional message to set it. |
| 05:21.25 | MrApathyCream | i add it to bzflag.bzc |
| 05:21.38 | MrApathyCream | well that is for outbound anyway |
| 05:21.43 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 05:21.59 | Patlabor221 | let the server also overide the default |
| 05:22.00 | MrApathyCream | so you're saying tell the server to throttle messages coming to me |
| 05:22.11 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 05:22.16 | MrApathyCream | coo |
| 05:22.27 | Patlabor221 | fat pipe people don't have to change anything |
| 05:22.34 | Patlabor221 | slow pipe people put in a throtle |
| 05:22.41 | learner | Quol: go home :) |
| 05:22.47 | Patlabor221 | punish the LAGGY not everone |
| 05:23.18 | MrApathyCream | first thing for 1.9.2 |
| 05:23.18 | Patlabor221 | see mac, making a plan isn't that hard :) |
| 05:23.36 | Patlabor221 | aww you can pop it in easy |
| 05:24.37 | Patlabor221 | heck set it up with a / command in 1.9 for testing |
| 05:25.44 | Patlabor221 | the server should also group updates |
| 05:26.08 | Patlabor221 | that would cut the latency down |
| 05:26.32 | Patlabor221 | takes the same time to send 100 bytes as it does 50 on a dialup iirc |
| 05:26.44 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/ (TODO): ideas from the laborious one |
| 05:26.59 | MrApathyCream | Patlabor221, yes, grouping updates has been discussed |
| 05:27.38 | MrApathyCream | what would you do, just hold them for n ms? |
| 05:27.42 | Patlabor221 | server should just keep around the last update from everyone then when it's time to send them to somone gtuop them up |
| 05:28.01 | Patlabor221 | hold them till you get a new one |
| 05:28.08 | Patlabor221 | cus it's better then nothing |
| 05:28.21 | Patlabor221 | and all you care about is the most current |
| 05:28.22 | MrApathyCream | it's got to be on a timeout, no? |
| 05:28.29 | Patlabor221 | why? |
| 05:28.41 | MrApathyCream | well, your punishing fast players with laggy ones |
| 05:29.00 | MrApathyCream | if i only get an update to the server every 10th of a second, i slow everyone down |
| 05:29.07 | Patlabor221 | no no no |
| 05:29.13 | Patlabor221 | you keep everyones last one. |
| 05:29.19 | MrApathyCream | ok, and.. |
| 05:29.31 | MrApathyCream | we do actually |
| 05:29.33 | Patlabor221 | player A is on a 60 timer player B is on a 10 |
| 05:29.42 | Patlabor221 | A and B send a n update |
| 05:29.56 | Patlabor221 | A gets Bs on it's next send |
| 05:30.11 | Patlabor221 | A sends 5 more, then B gets the one. |
| 05:30.37 | Patlabor221 | but B gets A's last one, not the one it sent first |
| 05:30.47 | Patlabor221 | for B the other 5 don't mater |
| 05:31.04 | MrApathyCream | right now the server is an echoer |
| 05:31.07 | Patlabor221 | if A comes up for a send and dosn't have anything for B it dosn't send |
| 05:31.10 | Patlabor221 | I know |
| 05:31.12 | Patlabor221 | it's bad |
| 05:31.16 | Patlabor221 | way to many packets |
| 05:31.20 | Patlabor221 | that's why it dosnt' scale |
| 05:31.53 | Patlabor221 | now you don't flod B's pipe |
| 05:32.16 | Patlabor221 | now everytime A sends to the server, the server sends it to B |
| 05:32.19 | MrApathyCream | The server receives a packet from A, but not B what does it do? |
| 05:32.38 | Patlabor221 | puts in the "last packet from A" slot |
| 05:32.42 | MrApathyCream | ok |
| 05:32.44 | Patlabor221 | cus noone needs it |
| 05:32.50 | Patlabor221 | when B's send time comes up |
| 05:32.54 | Patlabor221 | it sends it to B |
| 05:33.11 | MrApathyCream | so the server sends MsgPlayerUpdates on a timer, you're saying |
| 05:33.20 | Patlabor221 | on a throtle |
| 05:33.29 | Patlabor221 | the server keeps a throtle per player |
| 05:33.38 | MrApathyCream | configable by the client? |
| 05:33.43 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 05:33.49 | MrApathyCream | oh, ok... |
| 05:33.50 | Patlabor221 | the client says "throtle me to this" |
| 05:33.59 | Patlabor221 | if there was a C that was set to the same as A |
| 05:34.25 | Patlabor221 | the packet from A would be sent to C a lot sooner |
| 05:34.29 | Patlabor221 | C would get more updates |
| 05:34.53 | Patlabor221 | cus B would basicly skip packets waiting for it's throtle |
| 05:34.53 | MrApathyCream | does the client limit his sends based on the throttle, or just asks the server to throttle his receives |
| 05:35.10 | Patlabor221 | the client has to throtle it's sents too |
| 05:35.25 | Patlabor221 | cus you can't flood your pipe up ether |
| 05:35.31 | Patlabor221 | tho they could be seperate throtles |
| 05:35.47 | Patlabor221 | you may have a fast from server but a slow to server |
| 05:35.50 | Patlabor221 | like a DSL |
| 05:35.54 | MrApathyCream | outbound throttling is less important cause it's a X 1 thing |
| 05:35.58 | MrApathyCream | * 1 |
| 05:36.06 | Patlabor221 | it's less data |
| 05:36.13 | Patlabor221 | but still you don't want a butt load of packets |
| 05:36.17 | MrApathyCream | no |
| 05:36.24 | Patlabor221 | 60 is insane for a a dialup |
| 05:36.25 | Patlabor221 | ether way |
| 05:36.35 | Patlabor221 | I would send 15 up |
| 05:36.39 | MrApathyCream | like i said, it was better than 150 |
| 05:36.51 | Patlabor221 | on a dialup not really |
| 05:36.55 | Patlabor221 | your still flooded |
| 05:37.11 | Patlabor221 | so the water is 5 feet over your head instead of 15 :) |
| 05:37.15 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 05:37.19 | Patlabor221 | your still drowning |
| 05:37.34 | Patlabor221 | just takes less time to get un flooded |
| 05:37.38 | MrApathyCream | so if the client hasn't set a value in bzflag.bzc, then no MsgThrottle is sent, and server remains an echoer? |
| 05:37.43 | Patlabor221 | and in a game that's when the game is over. |
| 05:37.55 | Patlabor221 | I would set a default timer |
| 05:37.59 | Patlabor221 | echoing is bad |
| 05:38.03 | MrApathyCream | 60? |
| 05:38.06 | Patlabor221 | so evryone gets at least grouping |
| 05:38.06 | Patlabor221 | sure |
| 05:38.16 | Patlabor221 | but I would experiment with 30 as well |
| 05:38.50 | Patlabor221 | grouping will cut down on packet overhead a lot |
| 05:39.32 | Patlabor221 | and then basicly the server has a last known state for everyone |
| 05:39.35 | Patlabor221 | and could timestamp em |
| 05:39.45 | MrApathyCream | so you send a group of updates whenever a packet arrives after the throttle time |
| 05:39.50 | Patlabor221 | it's almost a server state |
| 05:39.58 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 05:40.02 | MrApathyCream | The server does have this now |
| 05:40.16 | Patlabor221 | it groups? |
| 05:40.19 | MrApathyCream | no |
| 05:40.22 | MrApathyCream | it holds state |
| 05:40.28 | Patlabor221 | well sorta |
| 05:40.33 | MrApathyCream | PlayerInfo.lastState |
| 05:40.39 | Patlabor221 | it dosn't have an idea where somoen is "NOW" |
| 05:40.59 | Patlabor221 | if you timestamp it, the server could do the dead reconing |
| 05:41.15 | Patlabor221 | and allways have an estimated state |
| 05:41.33 | MrApathyCream | yah, well, i added an increasing counter to the state to kill out of order packets |
| 05:41.39 | MrApathyCream | this could be chanegd to timestamp |
| 05:41.56 | Patlabor221 | it should be a timestamp |
| 05:42.09 | Patlabor221 | then all each client needs to do is get it's offset from the servers timestamp |
| 05:42.13 | MrApathyCream | who does the timestamping client, or server? |
| 05:42.24 | Patlabor221 | server should stamp it's stuff |
| 05:42.38 | MrApathyCream | on receive |
| 05:42.46 | Patlabor221 | clients should try to figure out how far off from the server they are ( time a ping, div /2 ) |
| 05:42.58 | Patlabor221 | then add that offset to the stamps they get in |
| 05:43.07 | Patlabor221 | that would give them a closer state |
| 05:43.17 | Patlabor221 | yeah on receve |
| 05:43.47 | Patlabor221 | well best would be to have the server also figure out how far off each client is, stamp on recece with a comped time |
| 05:44.00 | Patlabor221 | that would get you even closer |
| 05:44.01 | MrApathyCream | w/grouping if you go to send and player x hasn't sent a new update since last time, to just ignore him? |
| 05:44.13 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 05:44.30 | Patlabor221 | if there is no new data no need for an update |
| 05:44.52 | Patlabor221 | of if you want to be more authoritive, let the server to the dead reco, and send that |
| 05:45.00 | Patlabor221 | then everyone gets the same logic |
| 05:45.16 | Patlabor221 | little more CPU on the server side tho |
| 05:46.11 | Patlabor221 | now that you got a dead reco state you can query, the server can track shot hits, and send shot ends, and start to verify deathss |
| 05:46.51 | MrApathyCream | the problem with server sided timestamps is you lose the ability to track out of order packets |
| 05:47.16 | MrApathyCream | the server cpu is miniscule if iirc |
| 05:47.17 | Patlabor221 | well your transport method should take care of that beforehand then |
| 05:47.37 | Patlabor221 | it just means a good solution needs to be implemented |
| 05:48.02 | MrApathyCream | maybe the client sends order numbers, and the server converts to timestamps, or something |
| 05:48.04 | Patlabor221 | if you get some out of order, you have to figure out what to do, wait for the proper one? |
| 05:48.17 | MrApathyCream | out of order are just forgotten |
| 05:48.23 | MrApathyCream | (currently) |
| 05:48.27 | Patlabor221 | you know get an out of order when you get one |
| 05:48.29 | Patlabor221 | that's fine |
| 05:48.37 | Patlabor221 | if you get one out of order skip it |
| 05:48.43 | Patlabor221 | wait till the right one, |
| 05:48.43 | MrApathyCream | yes, that's what happens now |
| 05:48.53 | Patlabor221 | it should continue to work then |
| 05:49.05 | Patlabor221 | the samp will go on the in order one and all will procede |
| 05:49.12 | Patlabor221 | there may just be a hickup in the lag comp |
| 05:49.22 | Patlabor221 | but it will be better then the no comp that is hapening now |
| 05:49.44 | Patlabor221 | in the comps worst case, it will be exactly as it is now. |
| 05:50.27 | Patlabor221 | the pings should be redone every 10 -15 secs as well |
| 05:50.32 | Patlabor221 | to recomp |
| 05:50.43 | Patlabor221 | they could even be put into the update packets |
| 05:50.47 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/ (TODO): more ideas from the laborious one |
| 05:51.27 | Patlabor221 | this is how I plan to implement nivie |
| 05:51.49 | MrApathyCream | nivie? |
| 05:51.59 | Patlabor221 | based on NVE |
| 05:52.09 | Patlabor221 | Networked Virtual Enviroment |
| 05:53.01 | Patlabor221 | the name for my net test app |
| 05:53.13 | Patlabor221 | tho it uses only UDP |
| 05:53.17 | Patlabor221 | no tcp |
| 05:53.24 | Patlabor221 | so it should be faster |
| 05:53.37 | MrApathyCream | mmm |
| 05:55.20 | learner | wow.. 200 dependancies later, gimp begins to build.. |
| 05:55.21 | MrApathyCream | --->delayed<---server cpu is miniscule.....unless you have bad word filtering on |
| 05:55.22 | Patlabor221 | also if the server can do dead reco, it can see how far off each player update is |
| 05:55.49 | Patlabor221 | and kinda build up a "shitlist" of people who are off by a lot |
| 05:56.03 | Patlabor221 | and if it's inconsisent with there lag, posibly warn or take action |
| 05:56.20 | Patlabor221 | cus now you know there lag ( or have a good idea ) |
| 05:56.43 | Patlabor221 | that would help prevent "warp" cheats |
| 05:57.34 | Patlabor221 | and now if observer is a team, and we can change teams while in game, I think that for cheaters you could "bump" them to observer |
| 05:57.43 | Patlabor221 | you could do the same to lagers too |
| 05:58.05 | Patlabor221 | then if they can fix the problem, they can rejoin in some timeout |
| 06:00.50 | MrApathyCream | learner, is your server the latest? |
| 06:02.36 | learner | it's building right now, though -- must have been changes |
| 06:02.36 | MrApathyCream | hmm, in server each player would have to know the ts of the last packet that was received from every other player |
| 06:03.12 | MrApathyCream | learner, k |
| 06:04.17 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 06:04.22 | Patlabor221 | that would need to be sent |
| 06:04.43 | learner | hmm.. can't connect to my own server |
| 06:04.47 | Patlabor221 | but since it would be grouping the extra data would be offset by the savings in packet headers |
| 06:05.08 | Patlabor221 | every update has a time |
| 06:05.27 | Patlabor221 | and that is what is used for the DR |
| 06:05.27 | CIA | 03davidtrowbridge * 12bzflag/ (TODO): yes, i know its the TODO. its still trailing whitespace, and the glaring red bothers me |
| 06:05.38 | MrApathyCream | lol |
| 06:05.39 | Patlabor221 | would make the DR more accurate |
| 06:05.44 | learner | hehe, cappy funny |
| 06:07.02 | Patlabor221 | the bigest unknown is how the lag comp will work in the real world |
| 06:07.07 | MrApathyCream | hmmm, everyone probably has delete their world cache |
| 06:07.28 | Patlabor221 | if people's lag remains relitivly constant it's cool |
| 06:07.45 | Patlabor221 | if it fulctuates a lot the comps will be wron more often |
| 06:07.51 | MrApathyCream | i think lag comp happens every 10 secs now |
| 06:08.04 | Patlabor221 | how does it comp |
| 06:08.07 | Patlabor221 | ping every player? |
| 06:08.16 | MrApathyCream | i think server sends a message and waits for a response |
| 06:08.24 | MrApathyCream | iirc |
| 06:08.38 | Patlabor221 | then sends that to the clients? |
| 06:09.06 | Patlabor221 | cus now the cleint does the timestamp on the post for DR |
| 06:09.09 | Patlabor221 | right? |
| 06:09.24 | MrApathyCream | um |
| 06:09.39 | MrApathyCream | lag info is only sent to the client when specifically asked for it by /lagstats |
| 06:09.51 | MrApathyCream | dr on client doesn't use lag iirc |
| 06:10.01 | Patlabor221 | so there is no lag comp |
| 06:10.08 | learner | hmmm.. something's borkened |
| 06:10.19 | MrApathyCream | learner delete your world cache |
| 06:10.20 | learner | can't attach |
| 06:10.32 | learner | database download error |
| 06:10.33 | Patlabor221 | the client asumes that when it gets the update that is when it happens |
| 06:10.47 | MrApathyCream | yes |
| 06:10.47 | learner | world cache? |
| 06:11.00 | MrApathyCream | yes you have a directory called bzflag-cache some where on your machine |
| 06:11.01 | MrApathyCream | delte it |
| 06:11.04 | learner | ah... |
| 06:11.39 | Patlabor221 | so sounds like current DR could be as much as 300 ms off |
| 06:11.51 | Patlabor221 | maybe even more |
| 06:12.16 | learner | same error |
| 06:12.27 | Patlabor221 | you rebuild client too? |
| 06:14.42 | MrApathyCream | hmmm your server is sending a size of 2 for a link |
| 06:14.45 | MrApathyCream | should be 4 |
| 06:15.13 | MrApathyCream | Patlabor221, 300ms yup |
| 06:15.49 | Patlabor221 | this could get it down to a couple MS |
| 06:17.08 | MrApathyCream | that would be nice |
| 06:17.40 | Patlabor221 | so what is lag comped every 10s now? |
| 06:17.50 | MrApathyCream | every 10s |
| 06:17.59 | Patlabor221 | but what IS comped |
| 06:18.01 | MrApathyCream | server kicks or warns based on it |
| 06:18.06 | Patlabor221 | ohh |
| 06:18.10 | Patlabor221 | that's not a lag comp |
| 06:18.13 | Patlabor221 | that book keeping :) |
| 06:18.14 | MrApathyCream | and holds onto it if you do /lagstats |
| 06:18.25 | MrApathyCream | yes, there's no comp, iirc |
| 06:18.44 | MrApathyCream | but perhaps i am wrong |
| 06:18.50 | MrApathyCream | i don't recall any comps |
| 06:19.34 | Patlabor221 | it's just a ping |
| 06:19.38 | MrApathyCream | yes |
| 06:19.40 | Patlabor221 | it should use that ping data |
| 06:19.51 | Patlabor221 | the server should use it's powers for good |
| 06:19.59 | MrApathyCream | :) |
| 06:21.23 | Patlabor221 | right now it's just flooding the ever lovin piss out a everyone |
| 06:21.33 | Patlabor221 | no wonder servers take so much bandwith |
| 06:22.21 | MrApathyCream | yup |
| 06:22.30 | *** join/#bzflag SGI (~SGI@pcp01642968pcs.sothfd01.mi.comcast.net) |
| 06:22.38 | Patlabor221 | cus this could cut down on server bandwith too |
| 06:23.00 | SGI | hello |
| 06:23.05 | MrApathyCream | yo |
| 06:23.12 | SGI | power is back |
| 06:23.17 | MrApathyCream | heh:) |
| 06:23.42 | MrApathyCream | maryland never lost it |
| 06:23.46 | MrApathyCream | woowoo |
| 06:24.08 | SGI | I left the office at 0300 pm |
| 06:24.26 | SGI | he toke me 2 1/2 for 20 miles |
| 06:24.35 | SGI | 2 1/2 hours |
| 06:25.00 | MrApathyCream | if you kick the camel, he'll go faster |
| 06:25.06 | SGI | ~seen Quol |
| 06:25.07 | | quol <~chatzilla@modemcable052.11-203-24.mtl.mc.videotron.ca> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 1d 4h 12m 10s ago, saying: 'ya beat me to it'. |
| 06:38.46 | SGI | good night |
| 06:44.03 | learner | mac, thought you were in PA.. |
| 06:46.02 | MrApathyCream | i was ... moved |
| 06:46.10 | MrApathyCream | in march |
| 06:46.18 | learner | oh really? where bouts? |
| 06:46.32 | MrApathyCream | near middletown, de, but in maryland |
| 06:46.35 | MrApathyCream | eastern shore |
| 06:46.48 | MrApathyCream | cecil co |
| 06:46.50 | learner | that makes four of us in md |
| 06:46.56 | learner | ah, cecil. :) |
| 06:46.58 | MrApathyCream | yeah? |
| 06:47.04 | MrApathyCream | who else? |
| 06:47.22 | learner | you, me, chikorita, and bags |
| 06:48.11 | learner | and man who let dogs out is close enough, albeit in nj |
| 06:48.27 | learner | or was that pa, too |
| 06:48.33 | learner | *shrug* |
| 06:48.47 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 06:50.26 | learner | same error, rebuilt client :( |
| 06:50.33 | *** join/#bzflag MrCooper (~daenzer@dclient80-218-118-173.hispeed.ch) |
| 06:50.37 | learner | can anyone else connect? |
| 06:51.42 | MrApathyCream | no |
| 06:52.09 | learner | size 2? |
| 06:52.51 | MrApathyCream | are you sure src\bzfs\WorldInfo.cxx is rebuilding? |
| 06:53.20 | MrApathyCream | what does bzfs.cxx line 345 say? |
| 06:54.14 | learner | comment line: // how many grabs before removed |
| 06:54.59 | MrApathyCream | ok, now check the other WorldInfo.cxx file |
| 06:55.04 | MrApathyCream | :) |
| 06:55.36 | learner | heh, you said bzfs.cxx :P |
| 06:55.46 | MrApathyCream | ah, ok |
| 06:55.49 | MrApathyCream | mea culpa |
| 06:55.51 | MrApathyCream | WorldInfo.cxx |
| 06:56.00 | learner | databasePtr = nboPackUShort(databasePtr, 4); |
| 06:56.07 | MrApathyCream | your worldinfo.cxx is old update |
| 06:56.24 | MrApathyCream | you need to do cvs up |
| 06:56.26 | learner | old? whaa? |
| 06:56.44 | MrApathyCream | cvs up -C src/bzfs/WorldInfo.cxx |
| 06:56.53 | MrApathyCream | -C forces |
| 06:57.38 | learner | heh, invalid option .. -C :) |
| 06:57.43 | MrApathyCream | mmm |
| 06:57.46 | MrApathyCream | ok |
| 06:57.51 | learner | cvs is telling me everything's up to date |
| 06:58.00 | MrApathyCream | delete WorldInfo.cxx and up again |
| 06:58.56 | MrApathyCream | hmmm, maybe i never checked it in :) |
| 06:59.14 | learner | sheesh! .. hehe |
| 07:00.03 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (WorldInfo.cxx): use the constants |
| 07:00.07 | MrApathyCream | hehe |
| 07:00.25 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 07:01.41 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 07:02.02 | MrApathyCream | were they green? |
| 07:02.17 | learner | was the freezer plugged in? |
| 07:02.23 | captain_proton | no, not green |
| 07:02.28 | captain_proton | and yes, plugged in |
| 07:02.41 | learner | might be in luck then |
| 07:02.51 | captain_proton | very possibly |
| 07:03.38 | Patlabor221 | you don't have the the thingy that shows the icons difrently? |
| 07:03.54 | Patlabor221 | and the right click "show me what I missed" CVS client? |
| 07:04.17 | MrApathyCream | no |
| 07:04.23 | Patlabor221 | why not? |
| 07:04.24 | MrApathyCream | just the basic cmd line one |
| 07:04.29 | Patlabor221 | ohh god |
| 07:04.30 | Patlabor221 | why? |
| 07:04.35 | MrApathyCream | *shrug* |
| 07:05.04 | Patlabor221 | tortoise up man |
| 07:06.04 | MrApathyCream | there's nothing to download at tortoise.org |
| 07:06.05 | MrApathyCream | California Turtle & Tortoise Club |
| 07:06.30 | Patlabor221 | http://www.tortoisecvs.org/ |
| 07:07.14 | MrApathyCream | you know how long 4m takes to download, sheesh! |
| 07:07.34 | Patlabor221 | you know how much time we waste when you forget a commit? :) |
| 07:07.46 | MrApathyCream | :) |
| 07:08.22 | MrApathyCream | does it work learner? |
| 07:08.51 | MrApathyCream | hmmm when database unpacking fails, we should delete the associated world cache for that world |
| 07:09.12 | Patlabor221 | is the MD5 not based on the data sent? |
| 07:09.25 | Patlabor221 | so would that not invalidate the cache? |
| 07:09.28 | MrApathyCream | it is, but when world file format changes..... |
| 07:09.37 | Patlabor221 | so the data changes |
| 07:09.39 | MrApathyCream | oh, heh |
| 07:09.45 | Patlabor221 | so the MD5 chagnes |
| 07:09.47 | Patlabor221 | no problem |
| 07:09.55 | MrApathyCream | *blush* |
| 07:11.18 | captain_proton | whee |
| 07:11.42 | MrApathyCream | a vc plugin w00t |
| 07:11.54 | learner | wow, huh's company has some interesting technology |
| 07:11.55 | Patlabor221 | ??? |
| 07:12.07 | MrApathyCream | tortoisecvs |
| 07:12.16 | Patlabor221 | no it's a shell plugin |
| 07:12.31 | Patlabor221 | works in explorer |
| 07:12.47 | captain_proton | learner: huh's company? |
| 07:13.12 | learner | MAC: go figure -- I can connect now |
| 07:13.19 | MrApathyCream | amazing |
| 07:13.34 | Patlabor221 | funny thing about code is, that it dosn't work when it's not there :) |
| 07:13.40 | MrApathyCream | Patlabor221, http://sourceforge.net/projects/cvssccplugin/ |
| 07:13.58 | learner | yea.. we need to work on that distance computing thing |
| 07:13.59 | Patlabor221 | ahh |
| 07:14.03 | Patlabor221 | never tried that |
| 07:14.42 | Patlabor221 | what is it? ohh the "cooperation" that everyone talks about, yeah that. |
| 07:14.43 | MrApathyCream | that would be sweet if it worked |
| 07:14.46 | learner | I still can't enter the game using "i" |
| 07:14.57 | MrApathyCream | i ? |
| 07:15.04 | Patlabor221 | set a breakpoint and see why |
| 07:15.32 | learner | same as "right click".. to start a new game |
| 07:15.50 | learner | hard to right-click on a 1-button mouse |
| 07:15.58 | MrApathyCream | maybe the new key management stuff |
| 07:16.09 | learner | (actually it's easy but the mac client doesn't handle the event) |
| 07:16.26 | learner | so I use "i" which is supposed to be the same event |
| 07:16.33 | learner | yes.. cap broke it :) |
| 07:16.46 | captain_proton | bah |
| 07:16.54 | Patlabor221 | so fix it |
| 07:17.21 | learner | patches welcome? |
| 07:17.25 | captain_proton | there's no reason why it shouldn't work |
| 07:17.29 | learner | hehe |
| 07:17.30 | captain_proton | i've gone through it for hours |
| 07:17.38 | learner | hrm |
| 07:17.42 | learner | it worked for a while |
| 07:17.50 | learner | just stopped working a few days ago |
| 07:18.29 | learner | maybe 6 days |
| 07:20.01 | Patlabor221 | no, not patches, just fix it |
| 07:20.03 | Patlabor221 | it's a bug :) |
| 07:20.46 | captain_proton | learner: so look at what changed 6 days ago :P |
| 07:20.53 | learner | :) |
| 07:21.19 | Patlabor221 | or as I say, pop in a breakpoint and fix it, you found the bug, often it's faster to fix then report :) |
| 07:21.44 | learner | nah, I have minimal idea how the client code works, still |
| 07:21.50 | learner | I just know I can't join a game :) |
| 07:22.19 | learner | I'll get to it, though |
| 07:24.48 | Patlabor221 | this is why debugers are cool, you can step thru the code and see what is happeing, it's called debuging |
| 07:26.57 | Patlabor221 | the join game is before event processing |
| 07:30.30 | learner | pffft! |
| 07:31.04 | Patlabor221 | I don't see anything with the I key and join game in 1.7 ether |
| 07:31.23 | learner | works there too |
| 07:31.57 | learner | try it -- should work |
| 07:32.12 | learner | 1.7 i mean |
| 07:32.18 | Patlabor221 | you sure it's not a mac only thing? |
| 07:32.26 | Patlabor221 | for those wil only 1 button? |
| 07:32.42 | learner | not afaik |
| 07:33.10 | learner | but I'm not 100% sure honestly |
| 07:33.33 | Patlabor221 | and why i not j ? |
| 07:33.54 | Patlabor221 | or enter |
| 07:34.00 | learner | beats me |
| 07:34.13 | learner | i figured it just happened to match the event code |
| 07:34.34 | learner | i found it by random bashings of the keyboard the first time |
| 07:34.47 | learner | then someone on ducati told me to "press i" the second time |
| 07:34.53 | Patlabor221 | I have all my info in and I does not join me in a game |
| 07:34.53 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: because right-click is identify, and so is 'i' |
| 07:35.15 | Patlabor221 | nor does right click |
| 07:35.25 | Patlabor221 | I have to hit "join" |
| 07:35.41 | Patlabor221 | well |
| 07:35.47 | Patlabor221 | "connect" |
| 07:36.04 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: this is for becoming alive, not joining |
| 07:36.16 | learner | no.. after connected -- to enter the game itself |
| 07:36.21 | Patlabor221 | they why dosn't he say respawn :) |
| 07:36.24 | Patlabor221 | not join |
| 07:36.27 | Patlabor221 | bah |
| 07:36.31 | learner | pffft! |
| 07:36.45 | learner | keep your spawns to yourself |
| 07:37.06 | Patlabor221 | well it is the term |
| 07:37.17 | learner | bah |
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| 07:57.56 | NinjaSocks | well it's in the default bindings |
| 07:58.19 | NinjaSocks | tho it's bound to 2 commands, is that ok? |
| 07:59.11 | NinjaSocks | it works for me in 1.9 |
| 07:59.21 | NinjaSocks | what may be a problem is on the mac geting the key "up" events |
| 07:59.27 | NinjaSocks | as that's what restart is bound to |
| 07:59.40 | NinjaSocks | identify on the down, restart on the up |
| 07:59.51 | NinjaSocks | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:59.55 | captain_proton | ah right |
| 08:00.07 | NinjaSocks | so ether his DB is funky |
| 08:00.12 | NinjaSocks | and has old defaults |
| 08:00.19 | NinjaSocks | or the mac isn't geting the up events |
| 08:00.28 | captain_proton | any of which are possible |
| 08:00.32 | learner | so -- try deleteing my .bzflag19 |
| 08:00.40 | NinjaSocks | that would be step one |
| 08:00.46 | NinjaSocks | or look at it and see what I is bound to |
| 08:01.19 | NinjaSocks | if that don't go check out your keyup stuff and make sure you are gettin in here |
| 08:01.19 | NinjaSocks | case ::kEventRawKeyUp: |
| 08:01.20 | NinjaSocks | bzf_event.type = BzfEvent::KeyUp; |
| 08:01.20 | NinjaSocks | getKey(bzf_event.keyDown, eventChar, eventKeyCode); |
| 08:01.20 | NinjaSocks | break; |
| 08:01.56 | NinjaSocks | well or you could change that down to an up :) |
| 08:02.16 | NinjaSocks | and fix the bug |
| 08:03.18 | CIA | 03jeffm2501 * 12bzflag/src/platform/MacOSX (MacDisplay.cxx): |
| 08:03.18 | CIA | and I don't even OWN a mac anymore, isn't this funny? |
| 08:03.19 | CIA | Fixed key ups to actualy set the up event. |
| 08:03.20 | NinjaSocks | there I fixed it for ya :) |
| 08:05.31 | NinjaSocks | wow so your keyups have never worked |
| 08:07.05 | learner | heh - *shrug* |
| 08:07.11 | learner | thanks, I think |
| 08:07.24 | learner | like i said, I've yet to dive into the client code (at all) |
| 08:07.49 | NinjaSocks | the windows key up event sets it ti bzf_event.keyUp |
| 08:07.52 | learner | I've only glanced at it briefly to get a feel where everything is |
| 08:08.01 | NinjaSocks | well it wasn't in the real client, it was in your plat stuff :) |
| 08:08.11 | NinjaSocks | mac only |
| 08:08.21 | learner | what's that? |
| 08:08.31 | NinjaSocks | that case statment |
| 08:08.36 | NinjaSocks | was in macdisplay |
| 08:08.46 | NinjaSocks | the mac wasn't seting the key up event |
| 08:08.49 | NinjaSocks | for anything |
| 08:08.59 | learner | right -- the plat-specific keycode handling for event generation, no? |
| 08:09.07 | NinjaSocks | yeah |
| 08:09.19 | NinjaSocks | so not really "client" |
| 08:10.18 | learner | so then, lemme see if i understand this -- the problem is cap set the event to be default bound to the i up event, which was simply not ever generated? |
| 08:10.33 | NinjaSocks | yeah |
| 08:10.40 | NinjaSocks | the mac never made an up event |
| 08:10.53 | NinjaSocks | it took the MacOS up event and made it a down event |
| 08:10.59 | learner | and it worked before because it was perhaps bound to the down event? |
| 08:11.21 | NinjaSocks | old code dosn't seem to dif between up and down |
| 08:11.29 | learner | ah |
| 08:11.41 | learner | that makes sense mostly |
| 08:11.46 | NinjaSocks | the other plats had there events right so it pased there tests |
| 08:13.00 | NinjaSocks | looks like a copy paste error |
| 08:24.35 | NinjaSocks | bed time |
| 08:30.01 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/include (Protocol.h): new callsign reject codes |
| 08:35.49 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (bzfs.cxx): reworked reject codes and use new repeatCallsign rejection |
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| 11:31.54 | david_v | http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99994057 |
| 11:32.06 | david_v | all Word users might want to read that text |
| 11:32.17 | david_v | MS Word to be accurate |
| 11:32.25 | [dmp] | danr |
| 11:32.30 | [dmp] | i was too slow :) |
| 11:32.34 | david_v | ;) |
| 11:33.45 | david_v | "Using an ordinary online search engine and a random selection of keywords, Byers was able to find more than 100,000 Word documents including business documents and individual resumes. He chose to examine Word files because they are so common and stresses that other document formats can contain similar hidden information." |
| 11:34.55 | david_v | probably, but even a classmate of mine sent me a document that turned out to have a lot of other info in it |
| 11:35.02 | david_v | i told him that and he was surprised of course |
| 11:35.37 | [dmp] | But he did have the manuals, and knew how to use the tools? :-) |
| 11:35.52 | david_v | he was no fool ok :) |
| 11:36.14 | david_v | the thing is you wouldn't be aware of this problem, nobody warns you for this |
| 11:36.17 | david_v | until now |
| 11:37.54 | david_v | hm |
| 11:38.20 | [dmp] | could be that my documents is the reasons for the long bootup time :) |
| 11:38.38 | david_v | your computer stores more and more info in them ;) |
| 11:39.17 | [dmp] | Yeah, its called DDL files, registry and crap that never gets removed :-) |
| 11:39.52 | larsl | [dmp]: I'm running a CTF server at glasstowers.homelinux.net, feel free to add it to the ladders if you want. |
| 11:40.06 | [dmp] | port? |
| 11:40.12 | larsl | 5155. |
| 11:40.28 | larsl | It used to be almost empty, but it's been getting some traffic the last few nights. |
| 11:40.53 | david_v | i'm #36 on your ladder, dmp... how dare you :) |
| 11:41.04 | larsl | [dmp]: Should be decent. =) |
| 11:41.09 | david_v | i won't be able to correct it the nearest four years :) |
| 11:46.48 | [dmp] | glasstower added. It should appear later today. |
| 11:48.02 | larsl | Nice. =) |
| 11:52.13 | [dmp] | Hmm.. My ex-teammates want to give me an argument.battle before they accept my decision, it seems :) |
| 11:53.15 | [dmp] | and david-bullet-catcher-fortix :) |
| 12:02.36 | david_v | [dmp]: hmpf :) |
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| 12:31.46 | [dmp] | Prodan gives pretty good arguments. |
| 12:31.50 | [dmp] | bastard |
| 12:31.54 | [dmp] | Why did calico let him join :) |
| 12:38.39 | Chestal | tag |
| 12:39.06 | Chestal | the comic insult penguin with his Hausdorff metric? |
| 12:40.23 | [dmp] | yep |
| 12:45.16 | larsl | Erm... what? |
| 12:50.49 | david_v | didn't hear the Hausdorff thing yet i guess |
| 12:52.54 | Chestal | you don't want to know ;-) |
| 12:53.25 | david_v | i figure that, i know how he is :) |
| 13:02.06 | larsl | What's a Hausdorff metric? I've heard about Hausdorff spaces and measures, but no metric. |
| 13:05.41 | [dmp] | larsl: perhaps you understand this (better than i do): http://planetmath.org/encyclopedia/HausdorffMetric.html |
| 13:05.51 | Chestal | ask prodan, I knew it once for a day, but I forgot about it |
| 13:06.04 | david_v | [dmp]: question... could you change the league site cookies to session cookies. it's rather annoying if you have the site open and come back after 10 minutes and having to login again |
| 13:06.22 | [dmp] | david_v: it uses cookies if it can |
| 13:06.38 | david_v | yes, but not session cookies |
| 13:06.43 | david_v | just time-based |
| 13:06.49 | [dmp] | ah |
| 13:07.12 | david_v | iirc you can give a timestamp that is at least 24 hours before the current time, and they will become session cookies. something like that |
| 13:07.20 | [dmp] | yep |
| 13:07.44 | Chestal | uhm, what is a 'session'? |
| 13:07.52 | david_v | on the other hand i don't know if other people generally close the window and open it again... if so, they might not like a change |
| 13:08.03 | larsl | [dmp]: OK, I think I get it. =) |
| 13:08.07 | david_v | well a session cookie, specifically, lasts for as long as you keeps the window open |
| 13:08.15 | david_v | *keep |
| 13:08.24 | Chestal | hmm, window, tab or browser? |
| 13:08.27 | david_v | [dmp]: a poll maybe? :) |
| 13:08.31 | Chestal | my Browser usually runs for weeks |
| 13:08.35 | larsl | Chestal: A session is a set of data that is stored by the webserver. |
| 13:08.39 | [dmp] | Chestal: With IE its the browser |
| 13:08.40 | david_v | Chestal: window or tab, i think |
| 13:08.42 | david_v | oh |
| 13:08.45 | david_v | never mind heh |
| 13:08.58 | larsl | And the user only gives his/hers session ID, instead of POSTing all those variables. |
| 13:09.05 | Chestal | bzdb uses persistent cookies I guess? I never have to login thre |
| 13:09.30 | david_v | you can choose persistent cookies yes |
| 13:09.48 | david_v | a standard checkbox to toggle that |
| 13:10.23 | david_v | [dmp]: again i guess it's better you ask people what they think so they don't spam me for bad ideas ;) |
| 13:10.38 | david_v | it would help me, question is if it'd help others |
| 13:10.43 | Chestal | dmp: it's convenient. on the league site I let my browser fill out the form |
| 13:10.58 | Chestal | downside of this is that it autofills in too often, for example when I edit another player |
| 13:11.42 | [dmp] | Chestal: Yep. Opera supports that too. But I dont like the idea of auto-login; its bad security. But I guess not much private info is stored at the league-site. |
| 13:12.05 | david_v | depends... |
| 13:12.07 | [dmp] | Im just surprised when i see people store the username/password in a cookie. At least the shouldnt do that. |
| 13:12.14 | Chestal | to make it optional is always a good idea |
| 13:12.15 | david_v | username and pass... oh my |
| 13:13.01 | david_v | nevertheless i don't see a problem with persistent cookies as long as i have physical control over my computer. and i have, so... |
| 13:13.11 | david_v | no unauthorised people can come in here :) |
| 13:14.49 | [dmp] | Well, i think people never should store stuff like that locally. .) At least make a hashkey that allows the login. |
| 13:15.13 | [dmp] | but have implemneted it on my own site, as it was commonly requested. |
| 13:15.31 | david_v | well unless somebody actually gets to my computer and uses it inappropriately i see no problem with this |
| 13:15.55 | [dmp] | with storing user/pass in cookies? |
| 13:16.01 | david_v | no |
| 13:16.05 | david_v | but with storing session id |
| 13:16.07 | [dmp] | phew :) |
| 13:16.09 | david_v | lol |
| 13:16.13 | [dmp] | session-id expires. |
| 13:16.24 | david_v | oh i should be a bit clearer |
| 13:16.25 | [dmp] | if you use php-session-handling |
| 13:16.34 | david_v | you can make a session system that does not expire the usual way |
| 13:17.15 | david_v | bzbb uses a string here that expires 2004-08-15 |
| 13:17.23 | david_v | now that's a rather long session :) |
| 13:17.39 | david_v | i think you can change the duration somewhere actually |
| 13:18.04 | [dmp] | I quotes "someone".. : "Patches welcome" :-) |
| 13:18.08 | david_v | hehe |
| 13:18.13 | david_v | patches for what? |
| 13:18.21 | [dmp] | league-session-handling-functions |
| 13:18.38 | david_v | ok i was just unsure because it shouldn't be matter of more than one line or two |
| 13:19.35 | david_v | oh i forgot that you use PHP sessions... doh |
| 13:19.40 | [dmp] | A few more actually. |
| 13:19.46 | [dmp] | hehe |
| 13:19.50 | david_v | hmm |
| 13:20.09 | david_v | i'll dig up some code from one of my old Perl projects, and see if i can do a PHP translation |
| 13:20.13 | david_v | not right now though |
| 13:20.24 | [dmp] | i think most store some auth-info, and "auto-login" if no session exists. |
| 13:20.29 | david_v | shouldn't take too long in any case, it's rather simple |
| 13:20.30 | [dmp] | You dont need to. Just send me a patch :-) |
| 13:20.40 | david_v | i don't have a patch, k? :) |
| 13:20.59 | [dmp] | I dont have the time :) |
| 13:21.00 | david_v | unless you want something like <<< * >>> // Donald Duck :) |
| 13:21.55 | david_v | but anyway, i'll look into it, shouldn't take too long |
| 13:22.25 | david_v | if you want the auth data to be stored in MySQL, it could take considerably longer though |
| 13:22.54 | david_v | for my existing system i use login-files... and they are forced 4k each you know, by limitations in filesystems and all that |
| 13:23.53 | [dmp] | what you mean bu "auth-data" ? |
| 13:23.57 | [dmp] | *by |
| 13:24.01 | [dmp] | username / pass ? |
| 13:24.04 | david_v | nonono |
| 13:24.08 | [dmp] | phew :) |
| 13:24.14 | david_v | i was about to say login data, and expected you to say username /pass |
| 13:24.24 | david_v | and what do i do? say auth data, and you guess what you shouldn't guess anyway ;) |
| 13:24.42 | david_v | well just a number basically |
| 13:24.43 | [dmp] | we had a customer, who quite seriously wanted us to re-implement some our system to use files, instead of a database.. As it was faster.. |
| 13:24.45 | david_v | and your username |
| 13:25.11 | david_v | hmmm |
| 13:26.14 | david_v | so basically username /id number |
| 13:26.19 | david_v | and the cookie contains the id number |
| 13:26.33 | [dmp] | But then again, we had a meeting with them. Almost a hour for them to define their system and requirements.. Normally this would take a week at least. |
| 13:26.37 | [dmp] | hmm |
| 13:26.49 | [dmp] | why not store that in a database? I dont see the problem with that? |
| 13:27.04 | david_v | i just don't know how to do it. details :) |
| 13:27.19 | david_v | i need to dig into MySQL quite a bit first |
| 13:27.19 | [dmp] | You dont know sql? |
| 13:27.24 | david_v | only a little |
| 13:27.35 | [dmp] | I cant fix that for you, if it comes to that. |
| 13:27.39 | [dmp] | *can |
| 13:27.49 | david_v | i should be able to handle it |
| 13:27.56 | david_v | however i remember i wrote a Perl forum once |
| 13:28.02 | david_v | guess what kind of database i used... hihi :) |
| 13:28.53 | [dmp] | word-files, with history ? |
| 13:28.53 | [dmp] | :) |
| 13:29.00 | david_v | lol |
| 13:29.04 | david_v | close :) *.txt |
| 13:29.22 | david_v | the logins, the threads, everything |
| 13:29.27 | david_v | but it worked :) |
| 13:29.38 | david_v | only i never got to make it so functional |
| 13:29.40 | [dmp] | hehe |
| 13:29.46 | david_v | and i had no real discussion to host on it anyway |
| 13:29.49 | david_v | so i gave up with it |
| 13:30.09 | david_v | :D |
| 13:35.39 | david_v | i'll be back later. will try to make a patch tomorrow :) |
| 13:36.19 | [dmp] | cu david |
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| 13:38.51 | SGI | hello |
| 13:38.53 | [dmp] | hi SGI |
| 13:39.09 | SGI | are you still around or you left |
| 13:39.48 | SGI | ~seen quol |
| 13:39.49 | | quol <~chatzilla@modemcable052.11-203-24.mtl.mc.videotron.ca> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 1d 11h 26m 52s ago, saying: 'ya beat me to it'. |
| 13:40.05 | [dmp] | I guess i left. Prodans arguments made me wonder. But I left the team and for now, bzflag. |
| 13:40.30 | SGI | but you are playing or totally out |
| 13:40.47 | SGI | Prodans???? |
| 13:40.53 | SGI | team |
| 13:41.02 | [dmp] | Im not playing. |
| 13:41.07 | SGI | really |
| 13:41.11 | SGI | no playing |
| 13:41.23 | SGI | just silence all |
| 13:41.34 | SGI | and talk whit isnt a jerk |
| 13:41.41 | [dmp] | Isnt a good solution of you like team "team" in teamplay |
| 13:41.56 | SGI | no anymore in a team |
| 13:42.06 | SGI | but just play |
| 13:42.15 | SGI | silence all |
| 13:42.26 | SGI | and say HI to "friends" |
| 13:42.45 | SGI | when you dont read the "stupid" discussions |
| 13:42.48 | SGI | you feel better |
| 13:43.02 | [dmp] | Well, alot of friends seems to be played aliases/silence-all. |
| 13:43.02 | Chestal | ah, hi SGI |
| 13:43.11 | SGI | HI Sir |
| 13:43.22 | Chestal | SGI: still want to be deleted? |
| 13:43.24 | SGI | nice to "SE" you |
| 13:43.27 | SGI | yes |
| 13:43.38 | SGI | no anymore in the league or in a team |
| 13:43.39 | Chestal | if you don#t login there anymore and are in no team, you'll get auto-deleted anyway |
| 13:43.44 | [dmp] | I have been playing/wondering for a few months what to do/how to react. Hoped that i found reaons to stay. |
| 13:43.48 | SGI | to bull shit going around |
| 13:43.56 | SGI | ok |
| 13:44.20 | SGI | there isnt rule for CTF and the people coming rude |
| 13:44.40 | Chestal | I haven't been playing as much lately |
| 13:44.58 | Chestal | but now and then I still do, can't do withtu anyway .-) |
| 13:45.03 | SGI | there isnt penalty for rude people without good manners |
| 13:45.08 | Chestal | but if you guys feel like it, take a break, it's a good thing sometimes |
| 13:45.17 | SGI | yeah |
| 13:45.27 | SGI | but i love bzflag |
| 13:45.40 | SGI | and i can play with others nicknames |
| 13:45.50 | SGI | and the people dont bothering you |
| 13:45.57 | SGI | I dont know why |
| 13:46.23 | [dmp] | I tried to have a break (3weeks). I was very motivated and wanted back in.. But after a hour of play, everything was back to normal. I miss the spirit when people didnt bitch as much, as was using more energy on the game and individual "teasing". |
| 13:46.56 | SGI | old time |
| 13:47.23 | [dmp] | I used to like the official matches, because the teams/players there are people who know how to behave (mostly). But as it seems ducati(style) gets popular, this isnt the case anymore. |
| 13:47.24 | SGI | daughter playing with keyboard |
| 13:47.28 | [dmp] | .-) |
| 13:47.45 | SGI | true |
| 13:47.54 | Chestal | [dmp]: I had some good CTF play on ducati lately, gues sit depends on who is there and on my own mood |
| 13:48.18 | [dmp] | thats true. |
| 13:48.25 | [dmp] | Perhaps i just play too much, got too involved. |
| 13:49.09 | Chestal | and we had a good match vs TLZ two days ago, their 100th match :-) |
| 13:49.37 | SGI | mjhk |
| 13:49.44 | Chestal | but because I have been playing less, I'm not sure what's the curent atmosphere on ducati servers |
| 13:49.54 | [dmp] | But Im surprised how many people agreed with me. Id expected more arguments why not to leave, but have got more reasons why its not only me. |
| 13:50.00 | SGI | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:50.07 | SGI | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:50.18 | SGI | is better leave |
| 13:50.21 | [dmp] | :-) |
| 13:50.37 | SGI | my dauwgh5TE`1R |
| 13:50.44 | SGI | DAUGHTER |
| 13:50.48 | SGI | BYE ALL |
| 13:50.51 | Chestal | [dmp]: I'd feel sad if you would leave bzflag completely |
| 13:51.02 | SGI | DONT LEAVE |
| 13:51.14 | SGI | play less silenced |
| 13:51.28 | SGI | and say hi to less people |
| 13:51.30 | SGI | bye |
| 13:51.36 | [dmp] | cu sgi |
| 13:52.03 | [dmp] | but i dont feel that it would solve anything. except getting unpopular, and theirby making the whote matter worse |
| 13:52.10 | SGI | i kicked one and it was a mistake |
| 13:52.24 | SGI | yes |
| 13:52.38 | [dmp] | i kicked calico and bzg my mistake .)... Now i remapped that "o"-key to something wierd so that dosnt happen again |
| 13:52.52 | SGI | today bzg kicked me out |
| 13:52.56 | Chestal | and bzg kicked me :-) |
| 13:53.11 | SGI | she banned you |
| 13:53.16 | Chestal | hmm, you |
| 13:53.18 | [dmp] | i think something needs to be done about that feature .-) |
| 13:53.22 | Chestal | hmm, you're right |
| 13:53.35 | SGI | is a great feature |
| 13:53.40 | Chestal | I also despsise the 'sielnce bey key' feature |
| 13:53.52 | SGI | nbut you need a confirme before |
| 13:53.53 | Chestal | is it possible to not map a function to a key? Have never tried |
| 13:54.04 | [dmp] | i never got used to use it; i write the commands |
| 13:54.10 | SGI | like some programm |
| 13:54.20 | Chestal | I quite often type a message, but forget to press 'n' or do not hit the key, whatever |
| 13:54.24 | Chestal | so I press a lot of keys |
| 13:54.42 | Chestal | this wasn't a problem until silence and admin keys came up because you really couldn't mess up |
| 13:54.42 | [dmp] | ah |
| 13:54.56 | [dmp] | mostly i need to be carefull not to send 1131231232-messages :) |
| 13:55.00 | Chestal | just had to turn fps display and binoculars off again etc. :-) |
| 13:55.18 | Chestal | but now I accidentally silence players sometimes, and thre is no way to notice |
| 13:55.53 | Chestal | maybe these 'dangerous' functins shoul dbe mapped to key combinations, liek alt-o etc. |
| 13:56.05 | SGI | if you can have a notice like someprogramm when they ask you a confirme |
| 13:56.08 | [dmp] | Chestal: How do you kick people, if they are called " " (space) ? |
| 13:56.17 | Chestal | [dmp]: you ban them :-) |
| 13:56.30 | [dmp] | Chestal: ah, i reached that conclusion too :) |
| 13:56.31 | Chestal | I wodner whether this callsign is allowed by the server |
| 13:56.41 | Chestal | we should maybe enforce the first character to be alnum |
| 13:56.46 | [dmp] | i've seen no-namers a few times |
| 13:57.07 | Chestal | but I think I remember that there is code in there to strip leading and/or trailing spcaes, but I am not sure |
| 13:57.50 | [dmp] | i remember reading about it, here. |
| 13:57.56 | SGI | you can have in alphabetic order the command |
| 13:58.07 | SGI | because now when you login an ADMs |
| 13:58.14 | SGI | you have kick and ban |
| 13:58.38 | SGI | but if you have an alphabetic order probably is better |
| 13:58.52 | [dmp] | Chestal, would it be hard to make a "30 sec to identify, otherwise you're kicked" ? |
| 13:59.15 | [dmp] | I mean, now, this identify dosnt really protect your callsign. |
| 13:59.23 | Chestal | dmp: hmm, no would be quite easy |
| 13:59.49 | Chestal | the current register stuff leaves a lot to be desired |
| 14:00.07 | [dmp] | Was somebody going to rewrite bzfs ? |
| 14:00.15 | [dmp] | or restructure it |
| 14:00.18 | SGI | btw thursday we played BZflag in the company where I work |
| 14:00.27 | SGI | it was in a big screen |
| 14:00.31 | SGI | 8 players |
| 14:00.41 | SGI | and a lot people watching |
| 14:00.54 | SGI | one tank observer |
| 14:01.12 | Chestal | are there palyer who can compete with you? |
| 14:01.14 | SGI | and roaming position from the sky like a camera |
| 14:01.23 | SGI | no allowed to play |
| 14:01.29 | [dmp] | hehe |
| 14:01.33 | SGI | I was the admins for the server |
| 14:01.44 | SGI | like a referee |
| 14:01.53 | [dmp] | i started bzflag (online) to get pratice, so i could get revenge from a old colelague |
| 14:02.00 | SGI | but it was great to see all this people watching |
| 14:02.29 | [dmp] | but he never plays bzflag anymore :-| |
| 14:02.35 | SGI | noooooooooooooo |
| 14:02.44 | SGI | just silence |
| 14:02.55 | SGI | is better go now |
| 14:02.59 | SGI | bye |
| 14:03.01 | SGI | later |
| 14:03.05 | [dmp] | bye SGI |
| 14:03.14 | *** part/#bzflag SGI (~SGI@pcp01642968pcs.sothfd01.mi.comcast.net) |
| 14:23.08 | *** join/#bzflag MrCooper (~daenzer@dclient80-218-118-173.hispeed.ch) |
| 14:38.30 | *** join/#bzflag Quol (~Quol@modemcable052.11-203-24.mtl.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 15:02.55 | *** join/#bzflag prodan (~prodan@dial-in19.rz.uni-mannheim.de) |
| 15:03.02 | prodan | hi all |
| 15:03.08 | dougAtWork | HEY! |
| 15:04.45 | prodan | just installed 1.7g2; when i start with bzflag -winedow -geomtry 800x600; i just get a minute window |
| 15:04.57 | prodan | what gives? |
| 15:05.42 | prodan | my system is debian |
| 15:05.53 | prodan | any tips where to search? |
| 15:07.35 | *** part/#bzflag prodan (~prodan@dial-in19.rz.uni-mannheim.de) |
| 15:08.04 | dougAtWork | well give us a chance to answer |
| 15:11.05 | *** part/#bzflag Mecworks (marc@208.186.182.174) |
| 15:44.01 | *** part/#bzflag Quol (~Quol@modemcable052.11-203-24.mtl.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 16:13.01 | dougAtWork | makes it special dont it? :) |
| 16:13.13 | fiberchunks | gah |
| 16:13.15 | learner | you still at work? |
| 16:15.00 | learner | you know.. it only took me approximately 5 hours to download, build, and install all of the gimp from scratch -- jeesh |
| 16:15.06 | learner | i hate dependancies |
| 16:15.11 | dougAtWork | haha |
| 16:15.13 | dougAtWork | no |
| 16:15.29 | fiberchunks | use gentoo whitey :) |
| 16:15.51 | learner | this was using apt-get |
| 16:16.04 | dougAtWork | proxy is at work |
| 16:16.07 | fiberchunks | I repeat the above |
| 16:16.10 | learner | it had like 40 dependancies |
| 16:16.29 | learner | hehe -- dunno if there is gentoo for os x :P |
| 16:16.41 | fiberchunks | indeed there is |
| 16:17.49 | fiberchunks | works on x86, alpha, mips, ppc, and others |
| 16:21.06 | learner | it'll be interesting to see what all has been "fixed" |
| 16:22.57 | learner | only reason I installed it was so I could walk someone through a procedure since they didn't have photoshop |
| 16:31.50 | fiberchunks | and prepares to fiddle with new kernerl |
| 16:31.54 | fiberchunks | kernel even |
| 16:32.02 | learner | which one? |
| 16:32.24 | fiberchunks | oh, just trying to make 2.4.21 more applicable to the lappy, instead of just 'running' |
| 16:32.49 | fiberchunks | I usually disable as much as possible to get a working kernel, then read up on others' experiences, and recompile as needed |
| 16:33.06 | fiberchunks | Linux binarysystem 2.4.20-gentoo-r5 #1 Sat Aug 2 14:53:42 EDT 2003 i686 Mobile Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 - M CPU 2.20GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux |
| 16:33.19 | fiberchunks | ah, but I think I'll reup my present kernel |
| 16:33.29 | fiberchunks | and perhaps try out 2.6 for kicks |
| 16:34.25 | learner | yes.. I'm rather interested in seeing the new low latency stuff in 2.6 |
| 16:34.41 | *** join/#bzflag Patlabor221 (~Patlabor2@adsl-68-122-96-228.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) |
| 16:34.44 | fiberchunks | works nicely in 2.4 series -- I've got that and pre-emption enabled -- works a treat |
| 16:34.47 | dougAtWork | mornin Patlabor221 |
| 16:34.52 | Patlabor221 | hello |
| 16:35.17 | learner | g'mornin' sleepy bear |
| 16:35.23 | fiberchunks | growl |
| 16:36.34 | dougAtWork | babysitin what? |
| 16:36.36 | learner | does the baby code? |
| 16:36.38 | dougAtWork | er, who? |
| 16:36.41 | dougAtWork | :) |
| 16:36.44 | Patlabor221 | umm no she's 11 |
| 16:36.50 | Patlabor221 | my neice |
| 16:36.54 | learner | old enough to get her started :) |
| 16:37.02 | dougAtWork | posh, perfect time :) |
| 16:46.27 | fiberchunks | no nay never no nay never no more! well I plaaaayyyy the wild rover... |
| 16:46.28 | fiberchunks | ;) |
| 16:47.36 | learner | is that like doing the funky chicken? |
| 16:49.10 | *** join/#bzflag bryjen (1000@ky-owensboro1a-242.owboky.adelphia.net) |
| 16:50.17 | fiberchunks | ghod, I really hate xmms' interface to playing cds |
| 16:54.58 | *** join/#bzflag david_v (~david_v@c213-200-135-241.cm-upc.chello.se) |
| 16:57.07 | *** join/#bzflag MrApathyCream (MAC@balt-209-163-100-12.qis-dynamic-dialup.coretel.net) |
| 17:03.34 | learner | mornin' MAC |
| 17:22.48 | eddienull | eddienull |
| 17:22.53 | eddienull | bah |
| 17:23.48 | dougAtWork | pwd ;) |
| 17:54.30 | learner | what actually creates the .deps directories? |
| 17:54.42 | learner | there is an error in the src/zlib one |
| 17:55.05 | learner | .deps/adler32.Po ends up with two lines -- but i can't find who made that file |
| 18:18.16 | bryjen | watch the statments printed during make |
| 18:18.31 | bryjen | if g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../../include -I/usr/X11R6/include -D_BSD_SOURCE -D_POSIX_SOURCE -I../../include -Wall -W -mcpu=i686 -Werror -g -Wno-deprecated -MT ServerListCache.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/ServerListCache.Tpo" \ |
| 18:18.33 | bryjen | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:18.34 | bryjen | then mv ".deps/ServerListCache.Tpo" ".deps/ServerListCache.Po"; \ |
| 18:18.36 | bryjen | else rm -f ".deps/ServerListCache.Tpo"; exit 1; \ |
| 18:18.38 | bryjen | fi |
| 18:19.55 | learner | afaik, I haven't gotten to make yet -- if I do a ./autogen.sh and then configure and then make distclean -- it fails |
| 18:20.25 | learner | zlib is the only one that's causing problems |
| 18:21.38 | bryjen | eh. wouldnt think make _distclean_ would fiddle with that either... but that is _make_ |
| 18:26.36 | bryjen | hmm, after doing make clean and make distclean, I still have .Po files left from previous build. |
| 18:26.58 | learner | my system's make distclean actually fails |
| 18:27.18 | learner | due to the problems in the zlib .Po files |
| 18:27.43 | learner | not even sure where I should be looking |
| 18:28.00 | bryjen | should you be ok to just wipe them, since they're generated ? |
| 18:28.17 | captain_proton | learner: automake, iirc |
| 18:30.32 | bryjen | the g++ command line above creates *.Tpo that gets renamed *.Po if the command succeeds |
| 18:31.50 | bryjen | did you have a previous build that failed or you canceled? |
| 18:35.32 | learner | interesting, now the src/zlib/.deps all consist of a single line "# dummy" and things seem to be working |
| 18:57.33 | MrApathyCream | howdy learner... |
| 19:00.58 | *** join/#bzflag larsl (~larsl@c213-100-62-55.swipnet.se) |
| 19:01.56 | dougAtWork | larsl!!! |
| 19:02.16 | dougAtWork | hows sweden this fine morning/afternoon/night? |
| 19:02.20 | dougAtWork | captain_proton: eek |
| 19:03.28 | larsl | dougAtWork: Getting dark and cold. |
| 19:03.57 | larsl | And I'm going out to it. |
| 19:04.15 | *** join/#bzflag bzgirl (~orchid@ottawa-hs-206-191-39-38.d-ip.magma.ca) |
| 19:04.29 | dougAtWork | hey bzgirl! |
| 19:04.31 | dougAtWork | powerback on? |
| 19:04.35 | bzgirl | yep |
| 19:04.40 | dougAtWork | sweet |
| 19:04.42 | bzgirl | and hi :) |
| 19:04.58 | dougAtWork | how was ottawa without power? |
| 19:05.13 | bzgirl | not sure, i dont live in Ottawa |
| 19:05.18 | [dmp] | worst-case senario for denmark; 50% of the country could end up without power :) |
| 19:05.34 | dougAtWork | orchid@ottawa-hs-206-191-39-38.d-ip.magma.ca) |
| 19:05.37 | bzgirl | dougAtWork: I live in Toronto |
| 19:05.40 | dougAtWork | thats your hostname... :/ |
| 19:05.59 | bzgirl | oh im using a different connection today |
| 19:06.00 | dougAtWork | ;) |
| 19:06.02 | dougAtWork | aah |
| 19:19.26 | learner | yay for massive rain |
| 19:34.53 | learner | could I get some 1.9 azzclowns to attach to brlcad.org with obscene callsigns |
| 19:38.11 | *** join/#bzflag Chikorita (Chikorita@AC98D119.ipt.aol.com) |
| 19:38.18 | learner | :) |
| 19:38.29 | Chikorita | :) |
| 19:38.34 | Chikorita | hey u |
| 19:38.37 | learner | hey u |
| 19:38.39 | [dmp] | My azz isnt funny, so it dosnt qualify as a clow :) |
| 19:38.49 | Chikorita | it feelz like a sunday |
| 19:39.12 | Chikorita | dmpee iz talkin bout his azz? LoL |
| 19:39.25 | Chikorita | funny butt.. ;) |
| 19:39.52 | learner | i've turned on the callsign filtering and need some testers |
| 19:40.02 | Chikorita | ooH |
| 19:40.18 | learner | anything that would get filtered should cause a join rejection |
| 19:40.23 | learner | ah |
| 19:40.24 | learner | drat |
| 19:40.38 | learner | Chikorita: requires 1.9 |
| 19:40.45 | Chikorita | ooH |
| 19:40.50 | [dmp] | i tried to install some vorbis/egg looking packages, but it didnt help. So i gues it was the wrong ones |
| 19:40.52 | Chikorita | nvmd |
| 19:40.54 | Chikorita | :P |
| 19:41.05 | learner | [dmp]: which system? |
| 19:41.12 | [dmp] | learner: debian |
| 19:41.48 | learner | can't apt-get libvorbis? |
| 19:42.16 | learner | Chikorita, are we gonna match today? :) if so, I should warm up |
| 19:42.30 | [dmp] | learner: Nope |
| 19:42.41 | Chikorita | umm |
| 19:42.47 | Chikorita | ~d |
| 19:43.22 | Chikorita | i would like ta match buh i dunno if i can taday :\ |
| 19:43.48 | Chikorita | i hafta go do alil shoppin soon |
| 19:44.11 | learner | *sniff* |
| 19:44.20 | Chikorita | an den wee r going out again tanite |
| 19:44.57 | Chikorita | i sowee L |
| 19:45.17 | learner | :) |
| 19:45.23 | learner | that's okay |
| 19:45.34 | learner | I'll just mope about and program for bzflag |
| 19:45.56 | learner | but that does mean I can go grab a beer now :) |
| 19:46.13 | Chikorita | *sigh* |
| 19:46.39 | learner | i missed you by a couple minutes I guess last night |
| 19:46.50 | learner | i rushed home and you left |
| 19:46.51 | Chikorita | i tink i might like make us all BzR memberz team captains... |
| 19:47.01 | learner | why? |
| 19:47.03 | Chikorita | ooH i c |
| 19:47.10 | Chikorita | i dunno |
| 19:47.19 | learner | I don't think you need to do that |
| 19:47.34 | learner | all the league is in a lull right now |
| 19:47.44 | Chikorita | o okies |
| 19:47.55 | learner | it should get back to a little normality after september |
| 19:48.03 | Chikorita | i jus afraid yall wil abandon mee :( |
| 19:48.09 | learner | bah! |
| 19:48.12 | Chikorita | o okies |
| 19:48.49 | learner | I'm fine with a team of even just us two |
| 19:48.52 | Chikorita | i afraid if wee become inactive peeps wil leave mee :'( |
| 19:49.00 | Chikorita | jus like wut happen wif team HoW |
| 19:49.07 | Chikorita | o okies |
| 19:49.26 | learner | you don't have 40 minutes right now? [evil grin] |
| 19:49.33 | Chikorita | heehe |
| 19:49.50 | Chikorita | who can wee pick a fite wif? |
| 19:50.05 | learner | whoever :) -- even if we lose - it'll be fun |
| 19:50.22 | [dmp] | HoW was very dependent on BigBarrel, me and calico (we played most fights). When we left, and BB moved back to US, non of the exisint players was used to finding and doing battles. |
| 19:50.25 | Chikorita | iz dmpee stil on a team? |
| 19:50.41 | Chikorita | TDS? |
| 19:50.47 | [dmp] | No team. |
| 19:50.51 | learner | dmpee is in limbo |
| 19:50.57 | [dmp] | And not looking |
| 19:51.33 | [dmp] | learner: actually, prodan, the bastard, is giving me a hard time with good arguments :) |
| 19:51.46 | [dmp] | I hate when that happens. |
| 19:51.47 | Chikorita | lol L |
| 19:52.05 | Chikorita | good ole prody ;) |
| 19:52.07 | learner | [dmp]: haha |
| 19:52.20 | learner | you'll have to share those arguments at some point |
| 19:52.44 | Chikorita | honestly i dunt tink itz DaT bAd out dere on ducati .. |
| 19:53.15 | Chikorita | i mean i seen sum bad behaviour buh nuffin dat would make mee wanna leave da game an not deal wif it |
| 19:53.37 | [dmp] | Its not like im crying after a game. its just not as fun, as it once was. Perhaps I just need to realize that this comes with popularity and handle it. Im not sure. |
| 19:53.40 | Chikorita | like i alwayz say ..dunt let da "lil" peeple get 2 u |
| 19:54.27 | [dmp] | I just had enough. If bad behaviours is what you remembers from a matchs, was it worth the time? |
| 19:54.31 | Chikorita | i dunt really c ducati flooded wif noobies dat much .. |
| 19:54.40 | Chikorita | am i consider a noobie ? j/w |
| 19:54.51 | [dmp] | j/w ? |
| 19:54.57 | Chikorita | just wondering |
| 19:55.13 | [dmp] | Nah, you're nice cannon-fodder :-) |
| 19:55.15 | learner | according to the usage graphs, there are more players in the game -- even with all the bickering |
| 19:55.43 | learner | ~dict fodder |
| 19:55.53 | Chikorita | i c squabbles , buh in every competition u wil encounta dis...itz everywhere an not jus a bz phenomenon |
| 19:56.24 | Chikorita | cow foo |
| 19:56.28 | learner | hehe, i thought I sensed a farm implication |
| 19:56.37 | [dmp] | hehe =) |
| 19:56.37 | Chikorita | heehe |
| 19:56.45 | learner | i tend to be cannon-cud |
| 19:56.59 | learner | i get chewed up and regurgitated |
| 19:57.06 | [dmp] | I used the nick "Fameren" when i as actively using my amiga .) |
| 19:57.26 | Chikorita | trust mee dmpee , u wil c werse behaviour if u turn 2 FFA ...i c peepz actin crazee there all da time |
| 19:57.45 | [dmp] | I know, chik. But in FFA you arent so dependent on teamplay. |
| 19:57.56 | Chikorita | in fatc ducati iz quite a refuge from all da chaos on certain FFA servers |
| 19:57.59 | [dmp] | I have a hard time just silencing everyone. |
| 19:58.17 | Chikorita | jus silence da 1's u dunt like |
| 19:58.41 | [dmp] | which is sometimes more or less everyone. |
| 19:58.51 | learner | [dmp]: do you think vote banning would help for your particular issues/situation? |
| 19:58.58 | david_v | [dmp]: what times do you usually play? |
| 19:59.06 | Chikorita | u r jus 2 sensitive... |
| 19:59.11 | [dmp] | david_v: around the clock :-) |
| 19:59.12 | Chikorita | bz iz a war game |
| 19:59.17 | Chikorita | hi davy |
| 19:59.20 | david_v | hey |
| 19:59.42 | [dmp] | Chikorita: it havnt been like that always. People can have fun, without acting like a jerk. |
| 19:59.52 | [dmp] | david_v: but mostly after 19 |
| 20:00.01 | david_v | on Ducati? |
| 20:00.06 | [dmp] | yep |
| 20:00.08 | david_v | hmm |
| 20:00.13 | Chikorita | war can b very uncivilzed an cruel , buh dats da way tingz r an y war iz betta as a game dan 4 rill |
| 20:00.18 | david_v | i've probably been on those times as well but never seen anything bad... |
| 20:00.34 | Chikorita | mee neither |
| 20:01.10 | [dmp] | Chikorita: its a game. End of story. People should remember that, even if they loose a fight or two. |
| 20:01.16 | Chikorita | i mean i seen sum bad stuff buh i dunt get involved or let it get 2 mee (unless it duz involve mee) |
| 20:01.36 | learner | [dmp]: good advice for yourself even :) |
| 20:01.53 | learner | but you do have a point |
| 20:01.56 | Chikorita | itz a game ya , buh a very competitive game an peepz play hard an emotions get involved |
| 20:01.58 | david_v | [dmp]: i don't think it's a matter of definition, just that i haven't seen what you've seen |
| 20:02.07 | david_v | maybe 10% of it |
| 20:02.15 | Chikorita | dunt tel mee dat u havent eva felt frustrated wen u lose |
| 20:02.15 | [dmp] | learner: Yep. Thats my point. If it isnt fun. there is no reason to go on, keeping ladder going, trying to get time to do league-stuff. |
| 20:02.36 | david_v | wow |
| 20:03.07 | [dmp] | Perhaps I should just find a opensource project and use my energy on it. |
| 20:03.30 | [dmp] | And release me abit from my involvements. |
| 20:03.35 | [dmp] | or alot |
| 20:03.39 | [dmp] | or completly :) |
| 20:04.14 | [dmp] | But i've just not had fun when playing (mostly). So it felt like a waste of time. |
| 20:04.26 | learner | curl/wget it if you want |
| 20:04.30 | [dmp] | and continuing to play. when feeling this way, would be silly. |
| 20:04.37 | learner | oops |
| 20:04.41 | learner | wrong channel |
| 20:04.43 | [dmp] | ah |
| 20:06.29 | Chikorita | wel , like i told sum1 else b4...bz isnt chess or bingo ..itz very involving personally ...peepz r gettin shot at an killed , even if it iz jus a game it stil iz unlike otha games .. |
| 20:06.31 | learner | hmm.. I think it's like; wget http://music?mus1c@chr160dhcp1675.chrchv01.md.comcast.net/Compilations/ |
| 20:06.43 | learner | drat |
| 20:06.48 | learner | i hate this irc client |
| 20:06.48 | [dmp] | hehe |
| 20:07.16 | learner | jeesh |
| 20:07.24 | [dmp] | Chikorita: a very much disagree with you. I got hooked up on bzflag, because of the friendly players on ducati. |
| 20:07.24 | Chikorita | anywayzz as fibahchunks alwayz sez, "wuteva floats ur boat" |
| 20:07.50 | david_v | learner: irssi or something? :) |
| 20:07.57 | learner | no, it's ircle |
| 20:08.08 | learner | it doesn't separate channels out -- more like a big mix |
| 20:08.13 | david_v | heh |
| 20:08.17 | larsl | Does that still exist? I used it on Mac years ago. =) |
| 20:08.19 | [dmp] | Chikorita: because one are using a actiongame, its dosnt mean that you cant be polite. |
| 20:08.23 | david_v | just one window, and you need to select the channel? |
| 20:08.33 | learner | so if I'm chatting with someone, i have to cycle for it to be anything other than to the channel I'm talking into |
| 20:08.43 | david_v | yah |
| 20:08.50 | Chikorita | i would say most peeple on ducati r polite |
| 20:08.55 | david_v | does it paste discussions from all channels simultaneously? hehe :) |
| 20:09.02 | Chikorita | i wouldnt let a few bad apples spoil sumtin i like 2 play |
| 20:09.32 | Chikorita | buh dats jus mee |
| 20:09.35 | [dmp] | Chikorita: if 9 out of 10 session/battles arent fun, why bother? |
| 20:09.53 | [dmp] | I only feel sorry for the one game, that is fun. |
| 20:10.01 | Chikorita | i have da ability 2 deal wif peeple i dunt exactly agree wif |
| 20:10.09 | Chikorita | wel dats u |
| 20:10.18 | Chikorita | 4 mee itz 9 out 10 it iz fun |
| 20:10.30 | david_v | for me some are fun... except when i suck :) |
| 20:10.36 | *** join/#bzflag bzgirl (~orchid@ottawa-hs-206-191-39-38.d-ip.magma.ca) |
| 20:10.43 | david_v | rehi |
| 20:10.48 | bzgirl | hey |
| 20:10.53 | [dmp] | It dont mind to suck (ahem), makes it funnier to improve :) |
| 20:10.54 | Chikorita | peeple r all different , u jus need 2 learn 2 undastand dem , an who dey r an y dey act like dat |
| 20:10.58 | learner | howdy girl |
| 20:10.58 | Chikorita | hi bzg |
| 20:11.05 | bzgirl | hi |
| 20:11.25 | learner | [dmp]: indeed! :) |
| 20:11.37 | larsl | [dmp]: I see glasstowers.homelinux.net in my history on ladders, but it doesn't show up on the front page - is something wrong or does it need more players before it's visible on the front page? |
| 20:11.43 | learner | dmp, did you see my question about vote banning? |
| 20:12.20 | [dmp] | larsl: i'll look into it, in a few mins :) |
| 20:12.35 | larsl | No rush, I just thought it was odd. =) |
| 20:13.04 | Chikorita | dmpee i jus hate 2 c u quit bz or ducati dats all.. u r a good playa an good sport |
| 20:13.25 | Chikorita | buh i guess i can undastand an respect ur reasons so i leave u alone bout it |
| 20:14.36 | Chikorita | i alwayz sad 2 c da old regs go |
| 20:14.40 | Chikorita | :( |
| 20:14.48 | learner | quite |
| 20:15.09 | learner | i think the day a majority of the players I started with are gone, I'd probably leave |
| 20:15.21 | [dmp] | learner: Not sure, learner. I got admin skills on ducati, but i dont kick as much as i like to. Could be, that this would make it more democratic.. But like now, most people think im just whining, so it could be me... that is too stuck in "the old days" |
| 20:15.44 | learner | nah, not you |
| 20:16.01 | david_v | i still think it's weird. i barely see bad words in the games |
| 20:16.05 | learner | I've had the same feelings, more or less -- but just had to interact with it less |
| 20:16.16 | david_v | and have seen only one fight... ever |
| 20:16.26 | learner | really david? wow |
| 20:16.30 | david_v | well yes |
| 20:16.37 | david_v | and that's why i'm still confused about this story |
| 20:16.46 | [dmp] | Belive me, sometimes i would like to kick an entire team.. but i just quit (its faster :)) |
| 20:16.46 | david_v | but i play just on Ducati anyway |
| 20:17.05 | david_v | are we talking specifically about Ducati? just to clarify things |
| 20:17.16 | [dmp] | for my point of view; yes |
| 20:17.19 | david_v | hm |
| 20:18.18 | learner | david: could be a time of day thing -- all those dang angry americans |
| 20:18.35 | david_v | well [dmp] seems to play in about the same interval as me |
| 20:19.37 | Chikorita | lol L |
| 20:20.02 | Chikorita | dang americans ;) |
| 20:20.22 | david_v | they kill me sometimes on Enemy Territory :) |
| 20:20.23 | Chikorita | if learner leaves i leaving 2 |
| 20:20.44 | david_v | Nazis vs Allies |
| 20:20.59 | david_v | or Axis vs Allies actually |
| 20:21.52 | david_v | going to play some rounds... brb |
| 20:34.26 | Chikorita | gtg bye all! have a good weekend! :D |
| 20:36.22 | learner | So, no 1.9 azzclowns?? *sigh* |
| 20:39.39 | larsl | I'll try. |
| 20:39.55 | learner | yay |
| 20:40.27 | larsl | Building. |
| 20:41.16 | [dmp] | larsl: do you use debian? |
| 20:41.20 | larsl | Mandrake. |
| 20:41.39 | [dmp] | wrong answer :) |
| 20:41.54 | learner | can't he just give you a binary? :) |
| 20:42.17 | learner | we link static still |
| 20:42.30 | larsl | learner: What's the server? 1.9 crashes if I run it in window mode. |
| 20:42.48 | learner | larsl: brlcad.org |
| 20:42.54 | larsl | OK, testing. |
| 20:43.31 | learner | sweet |
| 20:43.44 | learner | you dirty boy you |
| 20:44.00 | larsl | Communication error joining game [rejected] |
| 20:44.08 | learner | get more creative |
| 20:44.14 | learner | maybe a phrase |
| 20:44.20 | larsl | That's all the dirty words I know. =) |
| 20:44.39 | learner | another language, perhaps? |
| 20:44.50 | larsl | Hum. |
| 20:45.03 | learner | it should have the entire multilingual list loaded |
| 20:45.36 | larsl | The one in misc/ ? |
| 20:45.43 | learner | yes |
| 20:46.10 | learner | it should prevent any callsign that is filtered by the list even partially |
| 20:47.18 | learner | hey if you know which languages those are, lemme know :) |
| 20:47.53 | larsl | Hard language to spell. =P |
| 20:49.17 | bzgirl | learner: is the filter documented in the man pages? |
| 20:49.31 | learner | man page? |
| 20:49.33 | learner | :) |
| 20:49.45 | learner | and when did you rejoin? |
| 20:49.54 | bzgirl | rejoin what? |
| 20:50.25 | bzgirl | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:50.38 | learner | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:52.50 | larsl | "no exact translation but it is the worst word you could ever say in korean" |
| 20:52.55 | larsl | I wonder what that means. =) |
| 20:56.03 | bzgirl | i thought i had to build man pages? |
| 20:56.30 | learner | larsl: :) |
| 20:56.44 | learner | i'm sure there's a translation |
| 20:57.12 | learner | many languages really don't use obscenities and hence the few used are rather offensive |
| 20:57.30 | learner | culturally, at least |
| 20:57.47 | bryjen | bah. 1.9 locks up trying to connect :( |
| 20:57.49 | larsl | bzgirl: When you type 'make' it just replaces some references to the directory bzflag is installed in. |
| 20:58.04 | larsl | But the .6s files are valid man pages too. |
| 20:58.11 | bzgirl | larsl: yeah, i have to use nroff to read them |
| 20:59.08 | bryjen | hmm. the server accept()'s me, but my client doesn't seem to do anything... |
| 20:59.37 | learner | did you just try to connect to brlcad? |
| 20:59.50 | bryjen | yeah |
| 20:59.57 | learner | it shoes an empty callsign (perhaps a space) |
| 21:00.04 | bryjen | 24.52.188.242 |
| 21:00.11 | learner | s/oe/ow/ |
| 21:00.21 | bryjen | i wonder if i didn't get that far then |
| 21:00.32 | learner | latest build? |
| 21:00.38 | learner | there were changes last night |
| 21:00.56 | bryjen | bzflag-2003-08-16-04.01.01.tar.gz |
| 21:01.02 | learner | eep |
| 21:01.29 | bryjen | i'll rm it and try a fresh one |
| 21:04.04 | bryjen | slowly it make's... |
| 21:04.16 | bryjen | dir by dir... |
| 21:04.20 | bryjen | file by file... |
| 21:04.59 | learner | heh |
| 21:11.37 | david_v | too many noobs on ET :) |
| 21:12.34 | bryjen | the swear list seems excessive. if your looking for foo , then why also list foobar foobaz foobip ? |
| 21:12.47 | learner | ET?! shame on you :) |
| 21:12.53 | david_v | depends if they are supposed to be treated as single words |
| 21:13.07 | learner | right, they are single words |
| 21:13.08 | david_v | in some cases i guess foo could be bad but foobar ok |
| 21:13.19 | david_v | i haven't seen the words you talk about though |
| 21:13.25 | bryjen | er, yeah. silly me :) |
| 21:13.37 | david_v | learner: i have no shame :) |
| 21:13.51 | learner | you cannot match just any character set match -- it has to be on a word boundary |
| 21:14.06 | learner | david: exactly, there are actually quite a few words like that |
| 21:14.15 | learner | where foo is bad and foobar is okay |
| 21:14.45 | learner | shittake mushrooms anyone? |
| 21:14.47 | david_v | yeeha i climed to #33 on the ladder ;) |
| 21:15.06 | david_v | shiitake actually :) |
| 21:15.21 | learner | really? |
| 21:15.27 | david_v | yeah looked it up |
| 21:15.28 | learner | ~dict shittake |
| 21:15.37 | learner | ~ispell shittake |
| 21:15.40 | | possible spellings for shittake: shit take shit-take shirtmake shortage Whittaker shirtmaker shortcake shuttle shtick shake stake shittier Whitaker outtake Shiite shitty |
| 21:15.40 | david_v | i wouldn't know otherwise |
| 21:15.49 | david_v | hm not listed |
| 21:15.49 | learner | hehe, that wasn't useful |
| 21:15.58 | learner | ~ispell shiitake |
| 21:15.59 | | possible spellings for shiitake: Shiite shirtmake shortage Shiites shtick shirtmaker shortcake shake stake Whitaker shrike Whittaker shoemake |
| 21:15.59 | bzgirl | should i use -noudp on 1.9 servers? |
| 21:16.23 | david_v | "shiitake |
| 21:16.24 | david_v | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:16.24 | david_v | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:16.30 | david_v | from WordNet |
| 21:16.51 | david_v | i have a nice program that integrates with my desktop bar |
| 21:16.56 | david_v | just type in the word and go |
| 21:16.56 | learner | even so.. there's automatic character expansion matching so shiiiitake and shittake are actually the same word |
| 21:17.04 | david_v | ah |
| 21:17.17 | learner | they both boil down to shitake |
| 21:17.27 | david_v | isn't that only for 3+ characters? |
| 21:17.35 | learner | ? |
| 21:17.36 | larsl | Would Shiite be filtered out? |
| 21:17.45 | learner | yes |
| 21:17.55 | david_v | but that's an actual word heh |
| 21:18.12 | learner | it would be filtered if "shite" or "shiite" was listed in the swear list |
| 21:18.20 | learner | if not, then no |
| 21:19.17 | learner | if you specify multiples in the swear list -- it becomes required (i.e. if you said "butt" was a bad word, it would not filter "but") |
| 21:19.39 | david_v | the interesting things is what happens when someone typos |
| 21:19.49 | david_v | rather tricky business |
| 21:20.08 | learner | indeed -- i tried to be aggressively conservative :) |
| 21:20.13 | david_v | hehe |
| 21:20.36 | learner | it'll filter what's in your list, but it has to match on a word boundary |
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| 21:22.19 | david_v | learner: i can't resist a trick question. could we match tomorrow if i'd find a teammate? |
| 21:22.31 | david_v | if not don't worry |
| 21:22.48 | learner | heh, it depends if chikorita shows up |
| 21:23.01 | learner | i'm ready today, but she went shopping |
| 21:24.27 | david_v | k |
| 21:24.39 | david_v | i'm just curious where all my teamies are. i have only seen MortimeR |
| 21:30.35 | david_v | ~seen dabomb |
| 21:30.35 | | dabomb <~dalskdjal@215-bem-10.acn.waw.pl> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 6d 6h 39m 26s ago, saying: 'bye [dmp]'. |
| 21:30.41 | david_v | heh |
| 21:30.44 | david_v | ~seen sussi |
| 21:30.44 | | sussi <Ralf@217-68-182-166.cable.primacom.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 19d 9h 43m 26s ago, saying: 'hi'. |
| 21:30.51 | david_v | ehh |
| 21:30.59 | david_v | that can't be quite true |
| 21:31.30 | david_v | ~seen legolas |
| 21:31.30 | | legolas <~Legolas@adsl-68-73-85-231.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 4d 1h 20m 22s ago, saying: 'bye'. |
| 21:31.32 | david_v | last chance :) |
| 21:31.35 | david_v | hmm |
| 21:31.47 | david_v | they don't come often to IRC i guess |
| 21:35.30 | *** join/#bzflag [dmp] (~dennis@D40A3023.rev.stofanet.dk) |
| 21:36.34 | david_v | re [dmp] |
| 21:38.08 | [dmp] | hi |
| 21:38.26 | david_v | hm? |
| 21:38.55 | [dmp] | I cant make it work like i want it to :) |
| 21:40.02 | david_v | heh |
| 21:42.31 | [dmp] | Well, its more logical. What i wrote works, but instead of return some rows, i want a count of it, and a max of another column.. The problem is, coloumn-2 is already a count, and mysql dosnt like max(count(subi.id)) .. or my group. Not sure which one is the problem. |
| 21:43.58 | david_v | max(anything) supposedly takes a list... but count returns a value? or did you mean something else? |
| 21:44.35 | [dmp] | The following SQL gives me a list of children of id=5 and how many grandchildren each got: SELECT i.id, count(subi.id) FROM item i LEFT JOIN item subi ON subi.parent_id = i.id WHERE i.parent_id = 5 GROUP BY i.id |
| 21:44.48 | [dmp] | How do i modify it to return a count() of children (column-1), and max() of grandchildren (column-2) |
| 21:44.59 | [dmp] | There, you have it :-) |
| 21:46.13 | david_v | hm i'd better get a reason to learn MySQL soon |
| 21:46.40 | david_v | i haven't been programming much recently, and barely anything in MySQL |
| 21:47.33 | [dmp] | SQL is almost the same on all databases when it comes to basic funcionality. SQL is a good think to know :-) Then you dont have those ugly files access :-) |
| 21:47.47 | larsl | =) |
| 21:49.31 | larsl | I've heard it's faster. But PostgreSQL has more features, like nested queries and other nice things. |
| 21:49.40 | larsl | Although it's been a while since I touched any of them. |
| 21:51.08 | [dmp] | Yeah, its properly faster. But there is no (default anyway) transaction control. (i know you can get it - but 90% of mysqlinstallations dosnt use it) |
| 21:53.29 | [dmp] | Who needs transactions anyway :-) |
| 21:54.33 | *** join/#bzflag TimRiker (~timr@12-237-241-230.client.attbi.com) |
| 21:54.46 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o TimRiker] by ChanServ |
| 21:54.54 | learner | moin, Tim |
| 21:55.09 | TimRiker | moin |
| 21:56.10 | bryjen | learner: you may want to adjust the speedtol on your server. Its not a percent, its a multiplier |
| 21:56.56 | bzgirl | what is the correct way to specify a -worldsize argument? 600x600? |
| 21:57.19 | learner | bryjen: eh? |
| 21:57.58 | bryjen | bzgirl: just one number i think. ie 600 would give you a 600x600 world |
| 21:58.12 | bzgirl | bryjen: ok |
| 21:58.45 | larsl | Has Patlabor221 hacked up my Klein bottle world format yet? =) |
| 21:58.57 | bryjen | eep. looks like somebody c'n'p'ed the code for that arugments |
| 21:59.08 | bryjen | fprintf(stderr, "using world size of \"%f\"\n", speedTolerance); |
| 21:59.16 | bzgirl | 3000x3000 is pretty big |
| 22:00.59 | bryjen | yeah. looks like thats the max absolute value too. so you coords go from -3000 to +3000 x and y |
| 22:01.26 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/misc (simpleSwearList.txt): initial simple swear list |
| 22:02.02 | learner | bryjen: http://brlcad.org/tmp/bunny.conf has the server rules |
| 22:02.11 | TimRiker | ~seen mecworks |
| 22:02.11 | | mecworks is currently on #utah (3d 9h 50m 13s). Has said a total of 18 messages. Is idling for 2d 5h 56m 12s |
| 22:03.11 | larsl | Hm, I can't join my own server with current CVS. |
| 22:03.40 | david_v | don't you need a 1.9 client? |
| 22:04.23 | larsl | I'm using server and client from current CVS. |
| 22:05.04 | bryjen | i was having problems joining brlcad earlier. is working now. |
| 22:05.18 | larsl | It dies in WorldBuilder::unpack(void*) |
| 22:05.58 | larsl | World.cxx:630 |
| 22:07.33 | TimRiker | larsl: can you join xmission:5156 ? |
| 22:08.05 | larsl | I'll try (going away from IRC, can't run 1.9 in window mode). |
| 22:08.33 | larsl | Yes, that worked. |
| 22:09.32 | TimRiker | try rebuilding your sources. xmission is autobuilt from cvs |
| 22:11.18 | larsl | Rebuilding now... |
| 22:16.18 | larsl | Now the server crashes instead. =P |
| 22:18.05 | larsl | setNoDelay (fd=5) at bzfs.cxx:1183, when calling getprotobyname("tcp"). |
| 22:19.19 | larsl | And now the client crashed again, same place. |
| 22:20.07 | TimRiker | you got some bad mojo there. don't know. not running out of disk space or anything? |
| 22:21.03 | larsl | No, at least 50GB left. And plenty of RAM. |
| 22:21.42 | bryjen | errr -worldsize specs the length of a side of the world, which is from -400 to +400 = 800. not just 400 as the commect says |
| 22:21.54 | bryjen | s/commect/comment |
| 22:41.22 | bryjen | bzgirl: /me thinks bigctf could use some teleporters for short-cuts. or more boxes for cover. |
| 22:41.45 | learner | bah! |
| 22:41.47 | bzgirl | bryjen: yeah, i will add tele,s but the map is random |
| 22:44.19 | david_v | talking about sheep... that reminds me of sleep :) |
| 22:44.22 | david_v | in two ways :) |
| 22:44.31 | david_v | later folks |
| 22:44.35 | [dmp] | cu david_v |
| 22:44.52 | bryjen | learner: word/name filter doesn't catch \/\/ as W |
| 22:48.03 | bryjen | hmm. and /\/ could be N. don't think i've seen that one. but i have seen slashes-for-W |
| 22:49.46 | *** join/#bzflag Patlabor221 (~jeffm@adsl-67-115-244-47.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) |
| 22:49.46 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o Patlabor221] by ChanServ |
| 22:49.52 | learner | that is quite true -- good thing there aren't many swear words with a "W" :P |
| 22:50.02 | Patlabor221 | wanker |
| 22:50.41 | Patlabor221 | and hello :) |
| 22:51.28 | bryjen | u a$$c10\/\/n |
| 22:51.38 | bryjen | ;) |
| 22:54.08 | bryjen | $ cat misc/multilingualSwearList.txt | cut -d# -f1 | grep -i "w" | wc -l |
| 22:54.10 | bryjen | 81 |
| 22:58.46 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (bzfs.cxx): add callsign filter support |
| 23:12.01 | Patlabor221 | wheeeeee look at CVS not build |
| 23:14.43 | *** join/#bzflag Chestal (thilo@vmax.unix-ag.uni-siegen.de) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
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| 23:14.43 | *** join/#bzflag gonkulator (~brandon@12-208-231-19.client.attbi.com) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
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| 23:14.43 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o Chestal] by niven.freenode.net |
| 23:18.01 | learner | wee |
| 23:18.24 | Patlabor221 | ride the split GIR, ride the split!!!! |
| 23:18.41 | Patlabor221 | did that fix take care of your 'I' issues? |
| 23:20.10 | fiberchunks | blah blah blah |
| 23:20.31 | fiberchunks | just bought the kid and I new baseball gloves |
| 23:20.38 | learner | pat: indeed |
| 23:20.45 | Patlabor221 | very cool |
| 23:21.47 | fiberchunks | daddy was looking for a digital 8 track for recording purposes, but failed miserably |
| 23:26.56 | fiberchunks | p2p apps for linux anyone |
| 23:26.57 | fiberchunks | ? |
| 23:27.00 | fiberchunks | good ones, that is? |
| 23:35.56 | Patlabor221 | is it right for the objects in random worlds to allways be the same sise? |
| 23:36.02 | Patlabor221 | or should they not be random as well? |
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| 23:39.04 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/man (bzfs.6s): added filtering options |
