| 00:18.00 | dheckaman_ | brb |
| 00:28.40 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI/Drawable (5 files in 2 dirs): Whee! Normal generation and cloth are both still broken, but VRML models can now be loaded with texture coordinates! It is both cleaner and more efficient than the old code thanks to the new spiffiness in the Array module |
| 00:30.17 | dheckaman_ | brb |
| 00:30.45 | Patlabor221 | that's the only thing he has said all day, why does he thing we are hanging on his every word? |
| 00:32.28 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (modelviewer.py): Give modelviewer a non-black background color |
| 00:46.52 | dheckaman_ | hmm, it does that by default |
| 00:50.40 | scanline | what sort of wonky IRC client says 'brb' automatically by default? |
| 00:51.14 | dheckaman_ | dirc |
| 00:51.26 | scanline | dircproxy? |
| 00:51.31 | dheckaman_ | yep |
| 00:51.47 | scanline | I'm using dircproxy... never seen anything in the config file that says 'brb' for you :p |
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| 00:58.35 | dheckaman_ | I used a pre setup one from someone |
| 00:59.00 | scanline | without reading it? |
| 01:04.50 | tea|tree_ | nite all |
| 01:04.57 | tea|tree_ | 3 am :( |
| 01:10.36 | dheckaman_ | changed most of my settings :) |
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| 01:42.01 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag (2 files in 2 dirs): Much cleaner code for automatically generating normals |
| 01:42.31 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI/Drawable/VRML (Cache.py): Hmm, forgot this file |
| 01:50.47 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Unbreak cloth |
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| 02:03.59 | Carnage | . |
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| 02:11.42 | KR | ibot: bite learner |
| 02:11.43 | | KR: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 02:11.48 | KR | lol |
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| 02:45.23 | heinola | hows the tank busting been lately ? |
| 02:55.16 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (3 files in 2 dirs): A much better texture_test model, some small improvements to the VRML loader |
| 03:01.56 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/extra_media (monkey.wrl): A properly-subdivided version of the monkey |
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| 03:04.36 | Carnage | hi |
| 03:05.04 | scanline | good morning |
| 03:05.58 | Carnage | good day mate |
| 03:07.05 | Carnage | yawn! |
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| 03:46.49 | captain_proton | someone cleared his +q? |
| 03:47.20 | bryjen | pat must've been feeling generous |
| 03:48.25 | scanline | 'twas Chestal I think |
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| 03:52.58 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o Patlabor221] by ChanServ |
| 03:55.28 | bryjen | ah speak of the admin and he appears. spooky |
| 03:55.48 | Patlabor221 | how did you know my nickname at the academy? |
| 03:56.22 | bryjen | ?? |
| 03:56.55 | Patlabor221 | a joke :) |
| 03:57.59 | Patlabor221 | what up? |
| 03:58.25 | bryjen | just wondering if you -q |
| 03:58.30 | bryjen | 'ed carnage |
| 03:58.32 | Patlabor221 | who? |
| 03:58.35 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 03:58.37 | Patlabor221 | today |
| 03:59.29 | Patlabor221 | he's mostly just a lurker anyway |
| 04:02.09 | captain_proton | is 'the party' one of them? |
| 04:02.17 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 04:02.26 | Patlabor221 | Hudson Hawk |
| 04:02.31 | Patlabor221 | and Undercover Blues |
| 04:02.53 | Patlabor221 | 20$ for both |
| 04:06.04 | Patlabor221 | ever seen ether? |
| 04:06.22 | bryjen | not I |
| 04:06.44 | Patlabor221 | they are very good silly movies |
| 04:07.07 | bryjen | so you said |
| 04:09.51 | Patlabor221 | Hudson hawk is one of Bruce Willis' earlyer movies |
| 04:10.43 | Patlabor221 | dho |
| 04:11.01 | scanline | nobody's ever alive in there anyway :) |
| 04:11.28 | Patlabor221 | is it still the last item in the chat list? |
| 04:11.52 | scanline | chat list, eh... |
| 04:12.04 | scanline | http://navi.picogui.org/images/bzflag/new_tank.jpeg <-- this one? |
| 04:12.11 | Patlabor221 | what ever it's called |
| 04:12.16 | Patlabor221 | does it have a name? |
| 04:12.20 | Patlabor221 | I guess "the channel" |
| 04:12.28 | scanline | ah |
| 04:12.36 | Patlabor221 | that's ma' baby :) |
| 04:12.40 | scanline | no, someone popped in asking to ask a quesion, then left after a few minutes |
| 04:12.43 | Patlabor221 | birth defects and all |
| 04:12.47 | scanline | hehe |
| 04:13.09 | bryjen | in such an *cough* active channel, its the join/part log area ;) |
| 04:13.33 | Patlabor221 | I"ll fix it up tomorow |
| 04:13.41 | scanline | no rush |
| 04:13.56 | Patlabor221 | best to get it done soner, lest I forget |
| 04:14.19 | scanline | still really slow.. but at least it's clean, and it handles normals and texcoords properly |
| 04:14.29 | Patlabor221 | cool |
| 04:14.31 | bryjen | erg. my display must be goofy. or that jpeg's awful dark |
| 04:14.49 | captain_proton | its your display |
| 04:14.56 | Patlabor221 | looks right to me |
| 04:15.02 | scanline | fine over here |
| 04:15.19 | bryjen | wonder what depth im getting with vnc |
| 04:15.19 | captain_proton | scanline: how does one toggle the FHz display? |
| 04:15.23 | Patlabor221 | the texture is on the dark gritty side |
| 04:15.39 | scanline | captain_proton: 'h' |
| 04:16.13 | captain_proton | thats a nice framerate |
| 04:16.19 | captain_proton | glInterleavedArray inside a display list? |
| 04:16.26 | scanline | Patlabor221: if you ever redo the UVs for the tank, you might want to give the barrel the entire length of one side, since it seems to need resolution a lot more than the treads |
| 04:16.32 | scanline | captain_proton: yep |
| 04:16.43 | Patlabor221 | yeah it does need more |
| 04:16.56 | scanline | hmm |
| 04:16.57 | Patlabor221 | tho I packed that texture up prety good |
| 04:17.02 | Patlabor221 | gotta see where I can get some |
| 04:17.03 | scanline | yep |
| 04:17.27 | scanline | if you made the barrel the entire length of a side, you could tile something along most of the barrel, and maybe map the bump a little differently |
| 04:17.37 | Patlabor221 | arg song stuck in head now, and no way to get it in a real format :( |
| 04:17.38 | scanline | though you mentioned milkshape doesn't do cylindrical mapping, which could suck :) |
| 04:18.01 | Patlabor221 | it dosn't |
| 04:18.12 | Patlabor221 | I'm gonna be trying the one in lightwave |
| 04:18.28 | Patlabor221 | it seems to be rather slick |
| 04:18.32 | scanline | hey, then I'll get to make sure this thing can load lightwave's VRML :) |
| 04:18.47 | captain_proton | truespace's UV editor is amazing =) |
| 04:18.55 | Patlabor221 | the VRML I Sent you was from milkshape |
| 04:19.05 | Patlabor221 | well I don't have truespace |
| 04:19.05 | scanline | it says so in the comments :) |
| 04:19.15 | Patlabor221 | not a current version |
| 04:19.26 | Patlabor221 | I don't know if lightwave will make VRML |
| 04:19.31 | Patlabor221 | I'll look for a plugin |
| 04:19.57 | scanline | well, I could always add more loaders to pybzflag too. My only attachment to VRML is that it seems to work the best with Blender |
| 04:20.02 | Patlabor221 | cap, you would not happen to hav a recording of the song "swingin on a star" would you? |
| 04:21.04 | Patlabor221 | OBJ would be an easy one to read |
| 04:21.18 | scanline | videoscape or wavefront? |
| 04:21.24 | Patlabor221 | you could calc the bbox of each object and make a transform to each center |
| 04:21.24 | Patlabor221 | wavefront |
| 04:21.27 | scanline | they're both easy to read, but videoscape .obj is crap |
| 04:21.40 | scanline | ok |
| 04:21.43 | Patlabor221 | never seen the videoscape one |
| 04:22.02 | Patlabor221 | wavefront is nice as it will hold strips and fans |
| 04:22.05 | scanline | all it can specify are vertices and face colors.. no normals, UVs, object names, or anything else |
| 04:22.11 | scanline | that's cool |
| 04:22.27 | Patlabor221 | OBJ will even hold nurbs IIRC |
| 04:22.47 | scanline | should be a snap to add a wavefront drawable to pybzflag if we need that |
| 04:23.33 | Patlabor221 | you should add MD3 |
| 04:23.45 | Patlabor221 | then you can have people runin around :) |
| 04:23.48 | scanline | I don't have any tools that save to MD3 |
| 04:23.58 | Patlabor221 | yeah there arn't many |
| 04:24.09 | Patlabor221 | well they would make no sense |
| 04:24.16 | Patlabor221 | tho the map objects may |
| 04:24.34 | Patlabor221 | like the trees and stuff the comunity has made |
| 04:24.48 | scanline | yeah, but I have this thing against clipart... |
| 04:25.03 | scanline | I want all my graphics to be designed for the game, not just ripped out of whatever's convenient |
| 04:25.03 | Patlabor221 | not exactly clipart |
| 04:25.15 | Patlabor221 | a good thing to have |
| 04:25.25 | scanline | not to mention licensing... |
| 04:25.28 | Patlabor221 | MD3 is nice cus it holds multiple objects and vertex anims |
| 04:25.43 | Patlabor221 | there format isn't copyrighted |
| 04:25.49 | Patlabor221 | just the data they ship in the game |
| 04:25.53 | scanline | the models would be |
| 04:26.00 | Patlabor221 | that's what I mean |
| 04:26.05 | scanline | if I can't save my own models to MD3, there's really no reason to support it |
| 04:26.09 | Patlabor221 | I'm not talking about using models from the quake game |
| 04:26.22 | scanline | if I need animated models, I could write a blender plugin to save its spiffy NLA data to a file |
| 04:26.23 | Patlabor221 | I was mostly just makin a funny :) |
| 04:26.31 | Patlabor221 | ahh cool |
| 04:26.33 | scanline | well, I could put in models like that chicken :) |
| 04:26.34 | Patlabor221 | bone based? |
| 04:26.43 | Patlabor221 | or morph targets? |
| 04:26.44 | scanline | yes |
| 04:26.49 | scanline | it's pretty generic |
| 04:26.53 | Patlabor221 | coo |
| 04:27.24 | Patlabor221 | I have code that will read a milkshape file, that supports bones and stuff. But it's not like milkshape is that cross plat. |
| 04:27.43 | scanline | might run under wine :) |
| 04:27.44 | Patlabor221 | dont' want to pull a BZFrank |
| 04:27.52 | Patlabor221 | it may |
| 04:27.58 | Patlabor221 | but it's not totaly free |
| 04:28.02 | Patlabor221 | it's REALLY cheap |
| 04:28.04 | Patlabor221 | but not free |
| 04:28.12 | Patlabor221 | $20 |
| 04:28.19 | scanline | cheap indeed |
| 04:28.21 | Patlabor221 | and you can get a 30 day full version trial |
| 04:28.23 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 04:28.31 | Patlabor221 | it's a great tool for $20 |
| 04:28.31 | scanline | still, I like blender.. and pybzflag doesn't exactly have complex modeling needs |
| 04:28.43 | Patlabor221 | this is true |
| 04:28.52 | Patlabor221 | how many ways can you make a box :) |
| 04:29.08 | scanline | oh, there are tons of ways to make a box, but that's all code rather than stored models :) |
| 04:29.41 | Patlabor221 | "on this box I went for an 'angry' look, do you see how the corners are sharp and scarry?" |
| 04:29.50 | scanline | hehe |
| 04:30.00 | scanline | there are already more than 16 ways this thing can draw a box :) |
| 04:30.23 | Patlabor221 | coo |
| 04:30.52 | Patlabor221 | ever play the non photo quake? |
| 04:30.58 | scanline | nope |
| 04:31.01 | Patlabor221 | sketch mode is cool :) |
| 04:31.28 | scanline | hehe, cute |
| 04:32.13 | Patlabor221 | yeah looks rather good when running |
| 04:32.39 | Patlabor221 | much cooler then asciiquake |
| 04:34.47 | scanline | hmm |
| 04:34.49 | scanline | http://www.cs.unc.edu/%7Eraskar/HWWS/raskarHardwareNPR2001.pdf |
| 04:35.57 | Patlabor221 | hah, no acrobat :) |
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| 04:37.39 | captain_proton | but but but |
| 04:37.50 | captain_proton | my interest right now is pointed towards sumi-e! |
| 04:37.59 | scanline | fine fine |
| 04:38.03 | scanline | cartoon sumi-e! |
| 04:39.15 | captain_proton | haha |
| 04:39.42 | Patlabor221 | sumi-e? |
| 04:40.03 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: oriental brushed-ink painting |
| 04:40.09 | Patlabor221 | ahhh |
| 04:40.47 | captain_proton | it'll be about 9 minutes or so |
| 04:41.20 | captain_proton | or 12... |
| 04:41.59 | Patlabor221 | may not work |
| 04:42.09 | Patlabor221 | but you can try |
| 04:42.32 | captain_proton | it should |
| 04:42.39 | captain_proton | did you get any notification? i'm trying to send |
| 04:42.46 | Patlabor221 | no nothing |
| 04:42.48 | captain_proton | or did you turn off stuff? |
| 04:43.22 | Patlabor221 | I'mI seem to have issues |
| 04:44.08 | bryjen | eeep |
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| 04:46.27 | Patlabor221 | that was odd |
| 04:46.41 | Patlabor221 | probalby stuck my foot in case again |
| 04:47.11 | Patlabor221 | I'm behind router don't know if DCC will work |
| 04:47.12 | bryjen | that's not how to boot your computer! ;) |
| 04:49.52 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: dcc means an outgoing connection for you |
| 04:49.59 | Patlabor221 | ahh |
| 04:50.04 | captain_proton | the only reason why it wouldn't work is if you've got your freaking irc client configured crappily |
| 04:50.15 | Patlabor221 | it's the same one I allways use |
| 04:50.34 | Patlabor221 | and dcc is on |
| 04:53.40 | captain_proton | hahaha |
| 04:53.41 | captain_proton | thats cool |
| 04:54.13 | captain_proton | scanline: http://brlcad.org/siggraph/S2003DVD2/content/sketches/content/yanagida.pdf |
| 04:55.47 | captain_proton | eek! a learner! |
| 04:57.37 | learner | so you're going to implement a non-photorealistic rendering layer, cap? |
| 04:57.51 | captain_proton | learner: well... |
| 04:57.53 | learner | fpr bz |
| 04:57.59 | captain_proton | doubtful |
| 04:58.03 | learner | s/p/r/ |
| 04:58.07 | learner | heh, ah :) |
| 04:58.08 | captain_proton | right now i want to implement the stuff shown in kang's sketh |
| 04:58.24 | captain_proton | speak of the devil, it finished zapping to babylonia |
| 04:58.31 | captain_proton | http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/kang.avi |
| 04:58.52 | learner | permissions |
| 04:59.06 | scanline | captain_proton: nice 'air cannon' :) |
| 05:01.09 | captain_proton | try now |
| 05:01.15 | captain_proton | thats such a classy video =) |
| 05:01.20 | captain_proton | if only the audio weren't clippy |
| 05:01.56 | learner | bah! |
| 05:02.08 | captain_proton | learner: hmm? |
| 05:02.15 | captain_proton | hehe |
| 05:02.54 | captain_proton | at least babylonia has a fast interweb connection... ;-) |
| 05:03.34 | learner | hey, from here brlcad.org's connection is about 30MB/s :P |
| 05:03.48 | captain_proton | MB? damn |
| 05:03.58 | Patlabor221 | it allways asks for a username and password when I go there |
| 05:04.19 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: the links scanline & i pass around? ask learner about that |
| 05:04.29 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 05:04.44 | Patlabor221 | I see so you have a little club |
| 05:04.48 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: download that kang.avi thingy |
| 05:05.04 | Patlabor221 | it's going |
| 05:05.06 | Patlabor221 | 98% |
| 05:06.57 | Patlabor221 | looks like it's some sort of "splat" thingy |
| 05:07.29 | Patlabor221 | looks cool tho |
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| 05:16.07 | captain_proton | oh scanline |
| 05:16.15 | captain_proton | i heard of a nifty trick yesterday |
| 05:16.31 | scanline | hmm? |
| 05:16.36 | captain_proton | you can use a 256x256 texture to do a complete half->half mapping =) |
| 05:17.03 | scanline | half->half mapping? |
| 05:17.12 | captain_proton | the 'half' datatype |
| 05:17.23 | scanline | half datatype? |
| 05:17.25 | captain_proton | so you can encode complete half-fp functions inside a small texture |
| 05:17.28 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 05:17.32 | captain_proton | 16-bit float |
| 05:17.33 | captain_proton | in the gpu |
| 05:17.39 | scanline | oh |
| 05:18.01 | scanline | got my hopes up that there was a way to use a texture as a lookup table in normal-OpenGL :P |
| 05:18.03 | captain_proton | bad scanline! |
| 05:19.05 | scanline | er.. fixed point? |
| 05:19.22 | captain_proton | floating point |
| 05:19.39 | scanline | in what way is that complete then? |
| 05:19.43 | captain_proton | what you do is pack() to pull out two 8-bit indices |
| 05:20.10 | captain_proton | so the key is the texcoord, and the value is just the texture value |
| 05:20.34 | scanline | yeah.. but to encode a 16-bit value in 256 texels you'd need to be able to store 256 16-bit values per texel |
| 05:20.41 | scanline | that's a little more than 32-bit color |
| 05:21.15 | captain_proton | its 65536 texels |
| 05:21.18 | captain_proton | 256x256 |
| 05:21.29 | scanline | ohhh.. I was imagining a binary function for some reason |
| 05:21.33 | scanline | :) |
| 05:21.46 | captain_proton | but i had never thought pack() could be used for such |
| 05:22.08 | scanline | so you can actually use that table for two such functions or for a function that maps half->float |
| 05:22.10 | captain_proton | kind of a neat way to precompute functions |
| 05:22.30 | captain_proton | hm? howso? |
| 05:22.40 | scanline | you get RGBA for each lookup |
| 05:22.51 | scanline | so map RG and BA to two values, or use RGBA for a complete float |
| 05:23.44 | captain_proton | actually thats what pack() is for |
| 05:24.23 | scanline | ah |
| 05:27.30 | captain_proton | or even more... |
| 05:27.56 | captain_proton | you could use float textures (there's an ATI extension at least, probably a competing NV and maybe ARB, haven't dug around enough) |
| 05:28.13 | captain_proton | giving you 8 different half->half functions in a single texture |
| 05:28.35 | scanline | there's a way to map between float and two halves? |
| 05:29.20 | captain_proton | hm? |
| 05:29.57 | scanline | well, you don't have pointer arithmetic in Cg.. forget whether there are unions |
| 05:30.12 | scanline | and I don't know squat about the standard library |
| 05:30.36 | captain_proton | you can unpack() from larger into several smallers |
| 05:30.44 | scanline | k |
| 05:31.07 | captain_proton | yay for powerful look-up table functionality |
| 05:40.19 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI/Drawable (3 files in 2 dirs): Generalize TriangleArray to handle arbitrary array shapes for consistency with SurfaceArray. Remove the pointless TriangleArrayDisplayList class and just use multiple inheritance the way it's meant to be used. |
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| 07:17.21 | learner | ugh.. |
| 07:17.38 | learner | just played 2.5 hours of bz with over 250 kills |
| 07:18.00 | learner | yet only a single flag capture!!! ... *sigh* ... |
| 07:24.11 | learner | it was frustrating as all hell |
| 07:24.48 | learner | what was worse was that the other team had a couple league players and could manage (even though they couldn't shoot) |
| 07:27.26 | captain_proton | oog |
| 07:27.30 | captain_proton | i just dropped on ducati for a minute |
| 07:27.35 | captain_proton | and the most annoying thing ever |
| 07:27.41 | captain_proton | uneven teams, with lag |
| 07:27.55 | captain_proton | as well as useless teammates |
| 07:41.32 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (5 files in 4 dirs): A great day for science: particletest.py runs, and does absolutely nothing. Made Scene.add() a little friendlier to little test apps, added infrastructure for particle rendering |
| 08:17.06 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Hey, it's billboarding |
| 08:20.20 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (particletest.py): Disable lighting, enable blending, add more particles. Now it looks like a particle system should |
| 08:20.28 | scanline | wheebie! |
| 08:20.57 | scanline | captain_proton: try out particletest.py |
| 08:21.27 | captain_proton | cute, very cute |
| 08:21.42 | captain_proton | smooooth |
| 08:21.50 | scanline | if you get a particle fairly close to the camera you can see others drawing on top of it :) |
| 08:22.24 | captain_proton | there's something wrong if you're -that- close to a particle |
| 08:22.32 | scanline | plus, I really should be using GL_ONE,GL_ONE blending, in which case the order doesn't really matter |
| 08:22.47 | scanline | well, if we do clouds with particles we'll want z-sorting, since the particles are fairly big |
| 08:23.05 | captain_proton | true |
| 08:23.20 | captain_proton | thats sort of a different class of particle system though |
| 08:23.30 | scanline | how so? |
| 08:23.46 | scanline | this is just the rendering backend, so it should be able to handle anything that does billboarding |
| 08:23.59 | scanline | just like with the cloth, the simulation and rendering are separate |
| 08:24.00 | captain_proton | well - just conceptually |
| 08:24.08 | scanline | k |
| 08:24.21 | captain_proton | usually "particle system" means lots of tiny particles that don't mean much on their own |
| 08:24.35 | scanline | ah, right |
| 08:26.10 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (particletest.py): Particles that emit light should use the GL_SRC_ALPHA, GL_ONE BlendFunc |
| 08:26.20 | scanline | now that looks a lot more sensible |
| 08:27.03 | captain_proton | ah, indeed |
| 08:27.03 | scanline | you can start to see the particles merge and flow into each other as they saturate to 1. it's the kind of particle that makes nice glowy flame |
| 08:27.30 | scanline | wow |
| 08:27.35 | scanline | 60 FHz with 5000 particles |
| 08:27.44 | scanline | and the blending looks really nice |
| 08:28.03 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 08:28.06 | captain_proton | i'm pegged at 85 =) |
| 08:28.16 | scanline | with 5000? |
| 08:28.36 | captain_proton | ya |
| 08:28.57 | scanline | 30 FHz.. makes sense |
| 08:29.06 | captain_proton | 41 about |
| 08:29.06 | scanline | looks vaguely like the surface of the sun |
| 08:29.23 | scanline | will be interesting to compare this to NV_point_sprite once that's implemented |
| 08:29.58 | captain_proton | 19FHz |
| 08:30.01 | scanline | hmm.. NV_point_sprites can even go in display lists, huh.... though that's cheating, since particles aren't that much fun if they're static |
| 08:30.03 | captain_proton | damn good for 20k particles |
| 08:30.07 | learner | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:30.08 | learner | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:30.09 | learner | IndexError: list index out of range |
| 08:30.13 | scanline | captain_proton: especially in 100% python :) |
| 08:30.40 | scanline | learner: hmm.. your card is reporting multitexture but not giving you any texture units? |
| 08:31.05 | CIA | 03davidtrowbridge * 12pybzflag/ (particletest.py): 2500 particles seems like a nice happy medium |
| 08:31.36 | scanline | ah, happy indeed |
| 08:32.37 | scanline | hah.. interesting artifacts if you drag the window while it's rendering |
| 08:32.53 | scanline | looks like the vertex array gets off by one or something, and all the particles start connecting to each other |
| 08:34.30 | learner | I have 25mb of texture memory (32mb total) |
| 08:34.40 | scanline | learner: that's not the issue |
| 08:34.49 | scanline | learner: might be a bug in the driver |
| 08:35.48 | learner | I'd bet money it's not a driver bug |
| 08:36.19 | scanline | learner: remove the try block at GLExtension.py lines 47, 54, 55 and unindent the block inside, see what error that gives you |
| 08:36.28 | scanline | well, mostly likely it's something PyOpenGL-related |
| 08:36.29 | learner | okay |
| 08:36.38 | learner | that I'd belive |
| 08:38.54 | learner | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:38.54 | learner | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:38.55 | learner | OpenGL.GL.GLerror: [Errno 1282] invalid operation |
| 08:39.28 | scanline | that's silly... so there's something wrong with your multitexture |
| 08:39.49 | scanline | I'll just have it disable multitexture if it gets less than two texture units out of that loop before failing |
| 08:40.42 | scanline | the graphics will be relatively crappy without multitexture though :( |
| 08:42.42 | captain_proton | scanline: you still need to make it happy on the onyx |
| 08:42.50 | captain_proton | which i think is only opengl 1.1 :P |
| 08:42.57 | scanline | captain_proton: this might have been the same bug as that... who knows |
| 08:43.08 | learner | scanline: what does this do? unit = OpenGL.GL.ARB.multitexture.GL_TEXTURE0_ARB |
| 08:43.39 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI (GLExtension.py): Turn off multitexture if the multitexture implementation appears hopelessly broken |
| 08:43.40 | captain_proton | scanline: i will copy it down on monday |
| 08:43.54 | scanline | learner: sets a counter that loop uses to keep track of the current texture unit |
| 08:44.07 | learner | unit is a number? |
| 08:44.29 | scanline | yep |
| 08:50.10 | learner | shouldn't "from OpenGL.GL import GL_TEXTURE0_ARB" work... |
| 08:52.25 | learner | I can't find GL_TEXTURE0_ARB... |
| 08:52.54 | learner | g'night cap |
| 08:58.10 | learner | ah.. heheheh |
| 08:58.23 | scanline | eh |
| 08:58.34 | scanline | GL_TEXTURE0_ARB isn't core OpenGL, so it will be in an extension module |
| 08:58.50 | scanline | OpenGL.GL.ARB.multitexture I think |
| 08:59.03 | learner | apparently the guy who built the pyopengl library I'm using "forgot" to enable multitexture support |
| 08:59.09 | scanline | ahh |
| 08:59.36 | learner | He comments on it on the python mailing list |
| 09:01.27 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (particletest.py): Send the particles on a random walk |
| 09:02.27 | scanline | wigglewiggle! |
| 09:02.38 | learner | eh? raise Exception("%s requires at least Python %s" % ( |
| 09:02.40 | learner | Exception: PyBZFlag requires at least Python 2.2.1 |
| 09:02.51 | learner | I do |
| 09:03.44 | scanline | python -c 'import sys; print sys.version_info' |
| 09:04.12 | learner | (2, 3, 0, 'alpha', 2) |
| 09:05.26 | learner | lemme guess.. didn't account for the 'alpha' ? |
| 09:05.34 | scanline | no, that should work |
| 09:05.43 | scanline | python's sequence comparison operator is smart like that |
| 09:05.48 | scanline | >>> (2, 3, 0, 'alpha', 2) < (2,2,1) |
| 09:05.48 | scanline | 0 |
| 09:06.08 | scanline | you sure it's running pybzflag in the same interpreter? |
| 09:06.14 | learner | yep |
| 09:06.53 | learner | nope |
| 09:06.54 | learner | maybe |
| 09:07.02 | learner | :) |
| 09:07.22 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag (__init__.py): When the version test fails, give the current interpreter version |
| 09:07.23 | scanline | see if that helps |
| 09:11.44 | learner | ugh.. pyopengl is telling me it has a bug. |
| 09:12.48 | learner | Exception: Due to a bug in PyOpenGL, you must install the numeric_gl module from ... |
| 09:13.29 | learner | and of course that numeric module doesn't build and I'm not in a mood to dig any deeper |
| 09:14.11 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (particletest.py): Variable integration time makes this unhappy. It's just a demo, so jam a constant in there |
| 09:14.25 | scanline | learner: no, that's me telling you pyopengl has a bug |
| 09:14.40 | learner | heh, oh |
| 09:14.46 | scanline | learner: if you really want to you can disable the code that triggers that exception, but it will leak memory really fast |
| 09:15.12 | scanline | I'm talking several megabytes per second |
| 09:16.38 | learner | at 2mb/s I'll have 15 minutes to play |
| 09:17.51 | scanline | hehe |
| 09:18.33 | learner | yay, a window |
| 09:18.41 | learner | ack.. window gone |
| 09:23.30 | learner | ugh.. nightly cron jobs ... cpu .. pegged .. ack! .. |
| 09:24.54 | learner | what am I supposed to do with the glInterleavedArrays object? |
| 09:25.35 | scanline | ah.. just remove the 'self.', the global one is the default that has a memory leak |
| 09:26.12 | learner | glInter... = glInter... ?? |
| 09:26.23 | learner | or throughout? |
| 09:26.49 | scanline | there's only one call to glInterleavedArrays, it should be in VertexArray.bind() |
| 09:26.58 | learner | yes, just found it |
| 09:30.28 | learner | hmm.. clothtest isn't doing much except snarfing cpu cycles |
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| 09:31.01 | learner | I got a circle/sphere along with three intersecting planes and a little green line on a gray background |
| 09:31.35 | learner | and memory isn't increasing |
| 09:32.30 | scanline | what did you run? |
| 09:32.37 | scanline | oh, clothtest |
| 09:32.46 | learner | clothtest.py |
| 09:32.51 | scanline | ok, so it's drawing everything except the flag :p |
| 09:33.04 | learner | heh, interesting simulation :) |
| 09:33.10 | scanline | no idea why it would do that, unless it's another bug in PyOpenGL |
| 09:41.36 | scanline | it's not python's fault probably.. PyOpenGL is quite buggy |
| 09:47.06 | learner | that's okay -- I lose faith and trust in most technologies that don't work right most of the time |
| 09:48.32 | learner | it's a rare gem to find a [insert system/OS/technology/api] that is on the extreme low end of a failure bell curve |
| 09:49.55 | learner | I just had higher expectations for python in general -- and it's been letting me down (not that it's any better or worse than any alternative) |
| 09:52.21 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix seed management in Noise so random arrays will be more random when requested quickly |
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| 10:36.55 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (4 files in 4 dirs): NV_point_sprite runs, but doesn't do distance attenuation properly. Seems to give a nice speed boost though :) |
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| 10:58.16 | Chestal | hi [dmp] |
| 10:59.30 | [dmp] | hi Chestal |
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| 13:31.14 | [dmp] | gg; you're playing with the firewall again? :) |
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| 14:44.02 | gg | [dmp] uch |
| 14:44.14 | gg | forgot about x-chat again :) |
| 14:44.36 | [dmp] | :-) |
| 14:44.43 | [dmp] | Hope it was a good game :-) |
| 14:44.54 | dabomb | now all seems workin just fine |
| 14:45.02 | dabomb | ") |
| 14:45.03 | dabomb | :) |
| 14:45.12 | [dmp] | Neat. |
| 14:45.21 | dabomb | i wondered about ladders ffa stats |
| 14:45.36 | [dmp] | ah dont. Its secret magic :) |
| 14:45.38 | [dmp] | very very dark |
| 14:45.48 | dabomb | hmmmmm |
| 14:45.49 | [dmp] | and useless, kinda like most internet sites :) |
| 14:46.09 | [dmp] | What are you wondering? |
| 14:46.14 | dabomb | i feel like i should say nonsene |
| 14:46.19 | dabomb | nonsense :) |
| 14:46.26 | [dmp] | Dont, you'll end up like me :) |
| 14:46.36 | dabomb | hehehe |
| 14:47.03 | dabomb | i like only duration ladder |
| 14:47.13 | dabomb | i was second in this rank : |
| 14:47.14 | dabomb | ) |
| 14:47.33 | [dmp] | ah :) |
| 14:47.41 | [dmp] | CraXy is impressive .. 35 hours this week |
| 14:47.48 | dabomb | hehehe |
| 14:47.49 | [dmp] | I mean, i fear him :) |
| 14:47.56 | dabomb | i must catch him in next week :) |
| 14:48.22 | dabomb | when will stats reset? |
| 14:48.30 | dabomb | on monday? |
| 14:48.31 | [dmp] | tonight |
| 14:48.40 | dabomb | what time? |
| 14:48.50 | [dmp] | at midnight |
| 14:49.01 | dabomb | will be on ducati then :) |
| 14:49.06 | [dmp] | :) |
| 14:49.12 | dabomb | idont wanna miss any hour :) |
| 14:50.13 | dabomb | craxy is online again :) |
| 14:50.22 | [dmp] | i woudlnt be surprised :9 |
| 14:50.29 | dabomb | hehe |
| 14:50.53 | dabomb | there is 3 2 i wanna help greens |
| 14:50.54 | [dmp] | But he is nice, and if feel keeps up the passion, i think we need to be carefull :) |
| 14:51.03 | [dmp] | Have fun, cu |
| 14:51.05 | dabomb | hehe |
| 14:51.09 | dabomb | bye [dmp] |
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| 16:00.58 | gonkulator | whoa |
| 16:01.01 | gonkulator | why so many opps |
| 16:01.28 | gonkulator | op |
| 16:01.28 | Chestal | many? I count 4 |
| 16:01.30 | gonkulator | never mind :) |
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| 17:14.26 | learner | yay |
| 17:27.35 | learner | PlayerLink.cxx is gone? |
| 17:27.48 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 17:27.51 | Patlabor221 | no more multicast |
| 17:28.23 | learner | hrm |
| 17:28.28 | learner | ok |
| 17:29.07 | learner | I thought tim didn't want to completely lose multicast |
| 17:29.28 | Patlabor221 | it's gone for all but lan server discovery |
| 17:30.50 | JBDiGriz | Someone has been messing around with our wiki |
| 17:39.55 | JBDiGriz | Someone in Denver has been messing around with the FrontPage. Let's send cap'n down to explain etiquette to them! |
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| 17:41.06 | learner | where is RenderNodeGState |
| 17:41.08 | learner | ? |
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| 17:47.29 | learner | hrmm.. libGLKit has references to libcommon |
| 17:47.30 | learner | TimeKeeper::getTick() |
| 17:47.31 | learner | Team::radarColor |
| 17:47.44 | learner | and RenderNodeGStateList |
| 17:48.09 | learner | other than that -- it would be a neatly self-contained library |
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| 18:29.05 | learner | speak of the .. ACK! |
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| 19:15.42 | learner | anyone know what's happened to fiberchunks? |
| 19:15.48 | learner | is he on vacation? |
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| 19:31.16 | learner | Chika! :) |
| 19:31.42 | Chikorita | hi L :) |
| 19:32.01 | Chikorita | aww |
| 19:32.23 | Chestal | maybe you ppl cn help me with something offtopic: http://www.filmwise.com/invisibles/invisible_139.shtml :-) |
| 19:32.25 | Chikorita | i jus came in 2 say hi an c who iz here |
| 19:32.37 | Chikorita | o okies chestal |
| 19:33.53 | learner | Chestal: =) |
| 19:33.55 | Chikorita | i kno numba 8 |
| 19:34.12 | Chikorita | numba 8 iz from da movie "Scrooged" |
| 19:34.14 | Chikorita | :) |
| 19:34.50 | Chikorita | bill murray he iz funny i like hiz movies |
| 19:35.03 | Chikorita | i was cryin taday L :'( |
| 19:35.26 | Chestal | ah, thanks |
| 19:35.28 | Chikorita | <<<watchin Rocky 2 (adrian was in a coma) |
| 19:35.33 | Chestal | hadn't figured tha tone out, was wondering |
| 19:35.42 | Chikorita | wahh dat iz a sad buh happy movie |
| 19:36.05 | Chikorita | numba 7 iz da "King an I" |
| 19:36.08 | learner | wow, those are pretty hard |
| 19:36.10 | Chestal | I know 2, 5, 6, 7 and 8 now |
| 19:36.20 | Chestal | is 7 the new or old King and I? |
| 19:37.05 | learner | 3 looks almost like rocky |
| 19:37.05 | Chikorita | ya |
| 19:37.36 | Chestal | it is! |
| 19:37.43 | Chikorita | o yea look like rocky wut a quinky dink :D |
| 19:37.54 | Chikorita | i watchin it right now heehe |
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| 19:38.00 | Chikorita | hi jaybee |
| 19:38.09 | JBDiGriz | Ola chica! |
| 19:38.11 | learner | jb might know some of those |
| 19:38.14 | Chestal | so, only 1 and 4 missing now |
| 19:38.26 | JBDiGriz | of what? |
| 19:38.34 | Chestal | http://www.filmwise.com/invisibles/invisible_139.shtml |
| 19:38.34 | learner | chestals playing :) |
| 19:38.42 | Chestal | a new quiz every monday |
| 19:38.46 | Chestal | very hard, but fun |
| 19:39.49 | Chikorita | gtg , buh i brb fone call... |
| 19:39.53 | Chestal | bye chiko |
| 19:40.43 | learner | I pretty sure I've seen 4 before, but I can't place it |
| 19:40.53 | Chestal | and I think I've seen 1 |
| 19:42.20 | learner | they certainly don't give many hints |
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| 19:42.39 | learner | david help: http://www.filmwise.com/invisibles/invisible_139.shtml |
| 19:42.40 | learner | :) |
| 19:42.58 | JBDiGriz | I can only place 2 and 7 for sure. I've seen 4, but I don't remember the film. |
| 19:43.49 | JBDiGriz | Could 4 be Sleeper by Woody Allen? |
| 19:44.00 | learner | 3 reminds me of one of the rocky 1, any thoughts jb? |
| 19:44.08 | david_v | learner, sorry i wouldn't be able to get a single answer right hehe :) |
| 19:44.13 | learner | rocky and adriane |
| 19:44.50 | JBDiGriz | I think you're right on 3, but it's been a while, and that one isn't one of those memorable flicks for me! |
| 19:48.56 | learner | yep.. that's rocky: http://www.geocities.com/rocky_balboa478/rocky1-4.jpg |
| 19:49.17 | Chestal | no, it's not sleeper |
| 19:49.26 | learner | oh.. but that's not adrian |
| 19:49.33 | learner | http://www.geocities.com/rocky_balboa478/rocky07.jpg |
| 19:50.02 | JBDiGriz | It's the penguin |
| 19:50.11 | learner | he was great |
| 19:50.21 | learner | one of my favorite movie characters |
| 19:51.45 | JBDiGriz | Chestal: Have you solved all of these? |
| 19:52.19 | Chestal | no, with the help of the # I now got 6 out of 8 |
| 19:52.24 | Chestal | (and other help) |
| 19:52.37 | Chestal | 1 and 4 are still missing |
| 19:52.38 | learner | we know you need "other" help.. |
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| 19:54.24 | learner | wait.. that was adrian.. my eyes deceived me and reveresed hat colors |
| 19:54.42 | learner | is #1 in a kitchen? |
| 19:55.10 | JBDiGriz | Hard to say, but it looks like the character is holding a tiger skin rug. |
| 19:56.41 | learner | purple guy looks like a "guy" yet there's the "apron" thingy |
| 19:56.54 | learner | and the arm is too long?? |
| 19:58.34 | learner | 4 reminds me of that asian movie that won a lot of awards.. |
| 20:02.03 | dheckaman_ | isnt that hard? |
| 20:03.11 | learner | not with a long enough Q-tip |
| 20:03.18 | Chestal | learner: uhm, no idea which movie you mean |
| 20:03.20 | dheckaman_ | ah |
| 20:03.26 | dheckaman_ | I know the kind your talking about |
| 20:04.45 | learner | ooohh.. maybe it's that jungle remake |
| 20:04.48 | learner | umm.. |
| 20:04.53 | learner | what's the name.. |
| 20:05.00 | learner | tarzan |
| 20:05.01 | dheckaman_ | the q-tips thats like wooden, and about a foot long? |
| 20:05.22 | learner | I prefer metal with a sharp point |
| 20:05.27 | dheckaman_ | ah |
| 20:05.36 | dheckaman_ | wood has splinters |
| 20:06.34 | learner | what was the name of that tarzan remake |
| 20:07.03 | dheckaman_ | hmm |
| 20:07.11 | dheckaman_ | dunno |
| 20:07.12 | learner | not the disney one, of course |
| 20:07.20 | dheckaman_ | I never watch those sort of movies |
| 20:07.21 | learner | the one with the highlander guy |
| 20:07.31 | dheckaman_ | only the movies that are included in the cert books |
| 20:08.22 | dheckaman_ | ever hear of Steam? its some sort of game downloading service |
| 20:09.26 | learner | Greystoke: The Legend of Tarzan, Lord of the Apes |
| 20:09.27 | learner | hua! |
| 20:09.40 | learner | now I just need to see if that scene was in that movie! |
| 20:10.09 | Chestal | ehm, which scene? |
| 20:10.14 | learner | 4 |
| 20:10.20 | Chestal | hmm |
| 20:10.42 | learner | there's a point in the movie where they're dressing him up |
| 20:10.51 | learner | when he's in the castle |
| 20:11.03 | Chestal | "greystoke" doesn't score, I tried |
| 20:11.24 | learner | ah.. you can get confirmation? |
| 20:11.43 | Chestal | you can simply enter and submit, it will give you a score then |
| 20:11.54 | Chestal | it's enough to only fill in one movie and see wheterh it show s0/1 |
| 20:12.06 | learner | hehe, didn't see that :) |
| 20:14.22 | Chestal | Tiger & Dragon? |
| 20:14.34 | learner | no, older |
| 20:14.59 | learner | about the little kid who becomes king and then goes into hiding |
| 20:15.23 | learner | circa 1990 |
| 20:16.05 | Chestal | The Last Emperor? |
| 20:16.16 | learner | that's the one -- no luck? |
| 20:16.52 | Chestal | no |
| 20:18.05 | Chestal | a fried of mine got #1 - Eyes Wide Shut |
| 20:18.23 | learner | oh, good one |
| 20:18.37 | learner | what was 5 |
| 20:19.26 | Chestal | Signs |
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| 20:21.11 | MrApathyCream | you would think that with 48 commit emails, one would be for c++ bzflag |
| 20:21.38 | learner | :) no kidding |
| 20:21.53 | learner | I've been asking all day if there was anyone left working on the C side.. |
| 20:21.58 | learner | nobody would answer my questions! |
| 20:22.08 | Chestal | MAC: heh, I've been doing some coding two days ago :-) |
| 20:22.53 | learner | so.. now's just as good a time as any to bring up my question/point from earlier |
| 20:23.06 | learner | there's a dependancy in libGLKit to libcommon |
| 20:23.16 | learner | actually it's only two lines/symbols |
| 20:23.34 | learner | it probably should be decoupled, but I can't think of a good way |
| 20:24.01 | learner | TimeKeeper:getTick and Team::radarColor |
| 20:24.37 | MrApathyCream | Hey chestal, yup i saw |
| 20:24.50 | MrApathyCream | glad you fixed the burrow high jump on explode thingy |
| 20:25.36 | MrApathyCream | learner: how many places are those two things referenced? |
| 20:25.47 | learner | only 1 time each.. |
| 20:25.56 | *** join/#bzflag tea|tree_ (~tea|tree@pD9E96AD6.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 20:26.02 | learner | and they are the only coupling -- hence my attempts to decouple them |
| 20:26.45 | MrApathyCream | what methods reference them? |
| 20:27.04 | learner | both are in OpenGLTexFont.cxx |
| 20:27.23 | MrApathyCream | really? checking... |
| 20:27.57 | learner | they make sense for what they do.. |
| 20:28.40 | Chestal | hurrah, I got all 8 now, thanks |
| 20:28.44 | MrApathyCream | you could make an OpenGLTexFont::setColors( float[][] ) call |
| 20:29.35 | tea|tree_ | hello all |
| 20:29.37 | tea|tree_ | ~d |
| 20:29.51 | learner | mac, how'd that help? |
| 20:30.12 | learner | it still needs the color from the dynamic array |
| 20:30.28 | MrApathyCream | the getTick() seems rather arbitraty |
| 20:30.44 | learner | yes.. I wasn't too worried about that one -- the color is the hard one |
| 20:30.50 | MrApathyCream | you would pass in the color array, instead of refering to it by name. |
| 20:31.06 | MrApathyCream | an initialization step |
| 20:32.13 | learner | the problem symbol-wise, though, is that it is using that array.. |
| 20:32.16 | MrApathyCream | method would be static |
| 20:32.28 | learner | unless i'm missing something |
| 20:32.36 | MrApathyCream | yes define a local array of colors. in setColors() copy the colors to the local static array |
| 20:32.42 | MrApathyCream | and then refer to the local static array |
| 20:33.01 | MrApathyCream | in bzflag proper, as an initializtaion step, call setColor( Team::radarColors ); |
| 20:33.04 | MrApathyCream | or whatever it's called. |
| 20:33.37 | learner | ahhh... I see what you mean |
| 20:33.52 | learner | in bzflag's init -- set the colors there |
| 20:33.58 | learner | using the array |
| 20:34.49 | MrApathyCream | yes |
| 20:36.59 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/ogl (OpenGLTexFont.cxx): comment the libcommon dependancy until resolved |
| 20:52.12 | *** join/#bzflag Patlabor221 (~Patlabor2@adsl-68-122-208-77.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) |
| 20:52.12 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o Patlabor221] by ChanServ |
| 20:52.21 | learner | it's a patlabor! |
| 20:52.34 | Patlabor221 | it is? |
| 20:53.16 | learner | i think |
| 20:53.40 | Patlabor221 | what up |
| 20:55.16 | learner | word |
| 20:57.07 | Patlabor221 | to your mutha G |
| 20:57.30 | Patlabor221 | ugg the keyboard that my parents have is horible |
| 21:00.14 | MrApathyCream | Patlabor221, do you know of a decent MIB browser for win32, oh, yeah, that's free of course? |
| 21:00.31 | Patlabor221 | MIB? |
| 21:00.40 | MrApathyCream | heh, guess not |
| 21:00.44 | Patlabor221 | the Men in Black don't use windows |
| 21:00.44 | MrApathyCream | SNMP |
| 21:00.55 | Patlabor221 | never used ether of those |
| 21:00.56 | MrApathyCream | management information block |
| 21:01.01 | MrApathyCream | k |
| 21:01.12 | Patlabor221 | sorry |
| 21:01.22 | MrApathyCream | no prob |
| 21:01.51 | MrApathyCream | Patlabor221, you're totally off the bzflag dev platform of choice? |
| 21:02.00 | learner | here you go patlabor:http://www.fingerworks.com/index.html |
| 21:02.17 | learner | I'm thinking of getting one of those myself |
| 21:02.17 | Patlabor221 | ahhh there we go, can't beilve my parents use 1024x768 on a 19" |
| 21:02.52 | Patlabor221 | naw I like a good meaty keyboard |
| 21:02.56 | Patlabor221 | tho that is cool |
| 21:02.57 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/ (7 files in 4 dirs): Begin adding MsgSetVar |
| 21:03.09 | Patlabor221 | MAc what do you mean? |
| 21:03.24 | MrApathyCream | Patlabor221> the Men in Black don't use windows |
| 21:03.29 | learner | it's a gesture keyboard |
| 21:03.33 | Patlabor221 | well they don't |
| 21:03.43 | learner | even has emacs gestures built in |
| 21:03.47 | Patlabor221 | they don't use linux ether |
| 21:04.10 | MrApathyCream | ah |
| 21:04.19 | MrApathyCream | uhoh, spurious checkins by me |
| 21:05.21 | learner | hehe 7 files in 4 dirs .. |
| 21:05.33 | MrApathyCream | We're Sorry. |
| 21:05.33 | MrApathyCream | The SourceForge.net Website is currently down for maintenance. |
| 21:05.33 | MrApathyCream | We will be back shortly |
| 21:05.54 | Patlabor221 | this is the keyboard I perfer |
| 21:05.55 | Patlabor221 | http://www.microsoft.com/catalog/display.asp?site=10245&subid=22&pg=1 |
| 21:05.57 | Patlabor221 | own 3 of em |
| 21:06.52 | learner | ewww... that thing? |
| 21:06.58 | Patlabor221 | it's great |
| 21:07.04 | learner | you don't have rsi yet do you |
| 21:07.11 | Patlabor221 | 2 USB right on the board |
| 21:07.18 | learner | just wait and you'll quit using those things |
| 21:07.26 | learner | :P |
| 21:07.30 | Patlabor221 | been using it for like a year |
| 21:07.53 | Patlabor221 | it fits my hads way better then the common boxy keyboards |
| 21:08.46 | MrApathyCream | HUDRenderer.cxx, SceneRenderer.cxx |
| 21:12.43 | learner | do you want a list? |
| 21:13.06 | MrApathyCream | ya |
| 21:13.37 | learner | M include/Protocol.h |
| 21:13.37 | learner | P include/global.h |
| 21:13.37 | learner | P src/bzflag/HUDRenderer.cxx |
| 21:13.38 | learner | P src/bzflag/SceneRenderer.cxx |
| 21:13.38 | learner | P src/bzflag/playing.cxx |
| 21:13.38 | learner | P src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx |
| 21:13.40 | learner | U src/common/global.cxx |
| 21:14.55 | learner | disregard the "M" on protocol -- it was merged |
| 21:14.56 | eddienull | anyone know the current state of OSX port? |
| 21:15.04 | learner | eddienull: yes |
| 21:15.16 | Patlabor221 | it's presently made out fo Jam |
| 21:15.16 | eddienull | ...and ti is? |
| 21:15.35 | learner | functional and incomplete |
| 21:15.47 | learner | It's being worked on as we speak |
| 21:16.22 | eddienull | cool, I did the orig port many moons ago, havn't touch it in months, just wanted to know what's going on ;) |
| 21:16.39 | Patlabor221 | rasbery jam |
| 21:16.40 | learner | ah.. so it's YOUR fault :) |
| 21:16.55 | Patlabor221 | ohh he's they guy you have been cursing? |
| 21:16.56 | MrApathyCream | mmm rasberry |
| 21:17.04 | eddienull | prolly :) |
| 21:17.06 | learner | we've been hunting for you.. :) |
| 21:17.21 | MrApathyCream | actually i think someone else has been doing oxs |
| 21:17.23 | MrApathyCream | osx |
| 21:17.24 | eddienull | i've idled here forever, not very good hunters 8) |
| 21:17.51 | learner | did you do the os x port or the original mac port? |
| 21:17.56 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI/Drawable (Particle.py): Disable the broken size attenuation for now and only use point sprites if they are specifically allowed by the caller |
| 21:18.01 | eddienull | osx |
| 21:18.56 | eddienull | ...and a very sloppy osx port @ that, but apparntly it stuck interest in a few other mac developers. I see messages come across the mailing list every now and then |
| 21:19.18 | learner | yes.. |
| 21:19.35 | learner | the osx port is what caught my attention to bzflag in the first place with that release last fall |
| 21:22.32 | learner | is eddienull==kevin? |
| 21:26.54 | learner | that was a very short verbal lurking eddienull.. :/ |
| 21:28.45 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Rename SpringSystem to ParticleSystem |
| 21:30.10 | eddienull | eddienull=kevin |
| 21:31.04 | learner | ahhh.. I see -- good to know indeed! |
| 21:31.59 | Patlabor221 | well all he did was asign him self the value of kevin |
| 21:32.02 | Patlabor221 | I could do that :) |
| 21:32.09 | learner | heh, I noticed that |
| 21:32.21 | learner | but it was truthful, which is what mattered |
| 21:32.32 | learner | he did that a lot in the code too |
| 21:32.38 | learner | (j/k) :) |
| 21:33.36 | eddienull | heh |
| 21:33.50 | eddienull | who's working on the osx port now? |
| 21:34.13 | Patlabor221 | actualy his parents asigned him the value of kevin |
| 21:34.54 | learner | you assume, pat :) |
| 21:35.03 | Patlabor221 | this is true |
| 21:35.22 | Patlabor221 | they could have named the dog kevin :) |
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| 21:41.31 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI (ParticleSystem.py): Split up Cloth class into Model, FixedIntegrationModel, and Cloth |
| 21:44.46 | [dmp] | ladder-database: 4,992,109 rows - 425.0 MB.. almost reached 5mio rows :-) |
| 21:45.07 | david_v | where's the champagne? ;) |
| 21:45.26 | learner | that's it?? sheesh |
| 21:45.30 | [dmp] | hehe |
| 21:45.31 | Patlabor221 | wow that's big |
| 21:45.39 | Patlabor221 | bzbb is only 14.27 megs |
| 21:45.55 | learner | he failed to mention that everything is encoded as text binary "011001010101011010...' |
| 21:46.16 | Patlabor221 | heh |
| 21:46.23 | captain_proton | [dmp]: what rdbs is that? |
| 21:46.30 | [dmp] | MySql. |
| 21:46.31 | Patlabor221 | wow we average 43.39 posts a day, that seems high |
| 21:46.37 | captain_proton | how do you get stats like that? |
| 21:46.50 | [dmp] | was just browsing with phpmyadmin |
| 21:46.54 | captain_proton | oh |
| 21:47.22 | [dmp] | cant remember how to get with sql. |
| 21:47.24 | learner | how long does a select * from * take? :) |
| 21:47.44 | [dmp] | learner: Donate some memory (1gb+) and i'll try :-) |
| 21:48.04 | learner | 1gb per dimm? pffftt. |
| 21:48.21 | [dmp] | And i'll add 200 points to you score, as well :-) |
| 21:48.27 | learner | heh |
| 21:48.31 | [dmp] | and a little flag, telling everybody that you cheat. :) |
| 21:48.45 | learner | aww.. I was considering it until that! :) |
| 21:49.05 | [dmp] | another 1gb would then gain, remove it :-) |
| 21:49.09 | [dmp] | *again |
| 21:49.11 | learner | what kind of memory do you need? |
| 21:49.24 | learner | hehe |
| 21:50.08 | Patlabor221 | I don't think he needs 30 pin simms :) |
| 21:50.12 | [dmp] | .. DDR/2100 is what i got. |
| 21:50.13 | [dmp] | hehe |
| 21:50.26 | captain_proton | PC133 is -damn cheap- |
| 21:51.04 | Patlabor221 | DDR isn't doing to bad ether |
| 21:51.45 | learner | boo yah!!! |
| 21:52.15 | captain_proton | woo! |
| 21:52.43 | [dmp] | learner: i dont like taking gifts like that. I would feel obligated to run the damn ladder then :-) |
| 21:52.58 | learner | hehe, bah! |
| 21:53.26 | learner | if you knew how much of that crap I give away (and receive) you wouldn't |
| 21:53.59 | [dmp] | :) |
| 21:54.11 | learner | hehe |
| 21:54.58 | learner | trades would have worked too :) |
| 21:55.03 | [dmp] | But i could also, spend time on coding to earn alittle, instead of wasting time here. |
| 21:55.14 | learner | I once had three old sparc tadpole notebooks |
| 21:55.23 | learner | I destroyed one just to see what was inside |
| 21:55.28 | learner | saved some of the parts |
| 21:55.36 | [dmp] | Well, i cant afford getting anything into the country from outside EU. |
| 21:55.37 | learner | (harddrives display etc) |
| 21:55.57 | *** join/#bzflag Carnage (strayer@dyn216-8-132-33.ADSL.mnsi.net) |
| 21:56.12 | learner | ended up trading a guy the harddrives (those suckers had raid 0 ide drives in them!) for the software boot discs |
| 21:56.27 | [dmp] | Had a friend who bought something from thinkgeek. the price was doubled before he could have it, because of taxations/fees/paperwork. |
| 21:56.48 | captain_proton | learner: YOU DESTROYED A TADPOLE?!?!?!?! |
| 21:56.58 | Carnage | hahah |
| 21:57.00 | learner | ow! |
| 21:57.01 | learner | heheh |
| 21:57.15 | learner | they were thrown in the dumpster |
| 21:57.20 | learner | I saved them |
| 21:57.22 | captain_proton | did they work? |
| 21:57.49 | learner | they were missing their battery, but they all powered up |
| 21:57.58 | learner | I'm down to the last one now |
| 21:58.05 | learner | I've been trying to revive it for over a year now |
| 21:59.20 | learner | it got better though -- when I traded that got rid of the second tadpole (cleaning house) I only saved one power supply |
| 21:59.34 | learner | last year, right after I made the software/hardware trade.. |
| 21:59.45 | learner | the power supply dies on me like that day! |
| 21:59.51 | captain_proton | :( |
| 22:00.02 | learner | the tadpole was sitting on top of an ibm thinkpad |
| 22:00.26 | learner | I pulled the power plug from the thinkpad out and .. lo and behold -- it fit |
| 22:00.29 | learner | AND POWERED! |
| 22:00.44 | scanline | you didn't check the voltage and polarity first? |
| 22:00.58 | learner | hehe, hell no -- it was dead in the water, I had nothing to lose |
| 22:01.05 | learner | i didn't even expect it to fit |
| 22:01.07 | scanline | could have lost the thinkpad supply |
| 22:01.17 | scanline | could have built a new supply for the tadpole |
| 22:01.39 | learner | after a couple calculations a few minutes later, it was *very* close to the original power, albeit a little different |
| 22:01.56 | learner | bah -- the thinkpad was a work machine |
| 22:02.01 | scanline | hehe |
| 22:02.05 | learner | i woulda just ordered a new one |
| 22:02.59 | learner | it was a hilarious coincidence that the power supply died while sitting on top of a laptop that came out 10 years later and had a compatible power supply |
| 22:03.39 | captain_proton | if you ever come across one of the new sparcbooks... ;) |
| 22:03.48 | scanline | whoa... |
| 22:03.52 | scanline | http://py3d.org/ |
| 22:03.59 | learner | hehe, I'll be the first to tell you about my first new sparcbook then :) |
| 22:04.04 | Patlabor221 | wtf |
| 22:04.32 | captain_proton | scanline: ooh |
| 22:05.12 | learner | who's site is that scanline? |
| 22:05.13 | captain_proton | indeed |
| 22:05.25 | scanline | learner: dunno who runs it |
| 22:05.39 | scanline | nobody I knew... I'm sure they found out about pybzflag from the pyopengl mailing list |
| 22:05.50 | scanline | (me mentioned it when he complained about that glInterleavedArrays memory leak :) |
| 22:05.55 | scanline | s/(/\// |
| 22:06.00 | scanline | er |
| 22:06.01 | learner | hehe ah |
| 22:06.04 | scanline | s/\(/\\\(/ |
| 22:06.46 | Patlabor221 | guess now I'll have to fix the tank barel |
| 22:07.23 | Patlabor221 | since like yesterday morning |
| 22:07.28 | learner | scanline: that clouds shot would make a great screen saver |
| 22:07.58 | scanline | learner: the clouds theoretically can animate.. but right now it only runs at about 10 FHz because the very last step is way too slow :( |
| 22:08.33 | scanline | I can do all the octave compositing in hardware, but I use an exponential function to map from perlin noise to cloud alpha |
| 22:08.42 | scanline | that's stored in a lookup table, but GL_MAP_COLOR is really slow here |
| 22:09.20 | scanline | I'd like to be able to render the noise in small chunks, and do a piece of it every frame so I can slowly update the clouds without any noticeable jerkiness |
| 22:09.44 | scanline | or we could just switch to that sprite-based cloud method that MS Flight Sim uses |
| 22:09.58 | scanline | problem is, then we'd actually need to be able to draw clouds :) |
| 22:10.25 | scanline | captain_proton: it should be a piece of cake codewise, until we add the automatic impostor thing of course |
| 22:10.54 | scanline | could probably just do a drawable that lets you define the clouds as VRML models, and replaces vertices or triangles with sprites according to their object name |
| 22:11.03 | scanline | hmm... |
| 22:11.15 | scanline | blender has a particle system thing that wouldn't be too hard to make compatible with ours probably :) |
| 22:18.03 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (4 files in 3 dirs): More particle/cloth cleanups |
| 22:20.17 | captain_proton | learner: you should find the siggraph 2001 papers |
| 22:20.31 | learner | I know |
| 22:21.13 | captain_proton | ah, not so urgent |
| 22:21.17 | captain_proton | i found the one i was looking for |
| 22:29.46 | *** join/#bzflag captain_proton (~blardebla@12-203-245-57.client.attbi.com) |
| 22:29.56 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o captain_proton] by ChanServ |
| 22:30.45 | captain_proton | whoa |
| 22:30.52 | captain_proton | i'm pulling 250K from brlcad.org? |
| 22:31.16 | learner | yea right |
| 22:31.55 | learner | Kb maybe |
| 22:31.56 | captain_proton | now down to 120K |
| 22:32.22 | captain_proton | no...KB |
| 22:32.30 | learner | the connection should cap at 32KB/s |
| 22:33.06 | captain_proton | now at 87KB |
| 22:33.19 | learner | bah! you're damn statistics were wrong :P |
| 22:33.48 | learner | got my hopes up and everything! |
| 22:35.26 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Use ParticleSystem.Newtonian in particletest for now |
| 22:36.08 | learner | mole-torpedos |
| 22:36.35 | learner | you fire, and they bore under the terrain for some distance and then reappear shortly later |
| 22:37.04 | learner | you could shot beyone pyramids and under close tanks |
| 22:38.29 | scanline | hmm... |
| 22:38.52 | scanline | 26 seconds to load the monkey, 14 of which is in the VRML parser and 10 in calculating vertex normals |
| 22:41.50 | captain_proton | scanline: http://www.cs.unc.edu/~harrism/PDFs/RTClouds_HarrisEG2001.pdf |
| 22:42.00 | captain_proton | thats the original paper that MS' based off of |
| 22:42.35 | scanline | wow |
| 22:42.55 | captain_proton | wow? |
| 22:43.23 | scanline | where did you find that? |
| 22:43.28 | captain_proton | the interweb |
| 22:43.32 | scanline | oooooooh |
| 22:44.52 | captain_proton | ooh |
| 22:44.55 | captain_proton | this album is neat so far |
| 22:46.41 | [dmp] | auch |
| 22:47.00 | learner | nice comment on the "anyone think this is getting out of hand" |
| 22:47.23 | [dmp] | ah. |
| 22:47.35 | captain_proton | learner: where? |
| 22:47.45 | learner | http://bzbb.bakadigital.com/viewtopic.php?t=949 |
| 22:48.11 | [dmp] | It just seems most threads seems to leed towards chatting and flamewars. :-| |
| 22:48.19 | learner | what's frustrating is that some of the trouble-makers don't know they are trouble-makers |
| 22:48.32 | learner | they feel justified in their behavior under the right circumstances |
| 22:48.46 | learner | yes.. quite, dmp |
| 22:50.23 | captain_proton | yep |
| 22:50.33 | learner | too much bickering and arguments |
| 22:50.56 | learner | had I started playing with all of this going on -- I doubt I would have hung around |
| 22:51.14 | learner | heh "fondly" ?? |
| 22:51.55 | [dmp] | Properly the same here. Except for my first "capture" (wrong base :)).. people was friendly and didnt mind me beeing not able to hit anything. |
| 22:52.08 | learner | LOL! |
| 22:52.24 | learner | yes.. I remember gettting to -250 or something |
| 22:52.35 | learner | people just thought it was funny that I wouldn't rejoin |
| 22:52.35 | captain_proton | learner: yep |
| 22:52.54 | captain_proton | everybody else on the server laughed at him for that one |
| 22:53.06 | learner | now I only get that low when I play cap.. |
| 22:54.30 | learner | I thought the game was rippled with cheaters (which is probably is) only to have chestal explain the "lag issues" to me |
| 22:54.56 | [dmp] | I kinda felt bad for having these feelings about playing.. I felt i was the only one, that i didnt had the capacity to handle it properly. But i had a chat with KR, and it seems im not alot having trouble finding the motivation for continue playing; its not the game, its the player that is the problem. |
| 22:55.22 | learner | [dmp]: it is the players |
| 22:55.23 | [dmp] | Silence isnt really a solution. I'd like to hear when people say something usefull. |
| 22:55.55 | [dmp] | (i dont got sound, so sometimes i dont notice if somebody pick up the flag) |
| 22:55.55 | learner | I've had the same conversations with at least 3 others independantly |
| 22:56.23 | learner | older players that have a sour taste of the current bickering |
| 22:57.06 | [dmp] | It would be a sad story to lose people because more people are playing ctf. |
| 22:57.14 | [dmp] | that outta be a good thing. |
| 22:57.21 | learner | yes, it should |
| 22:58.16 | learner | karma would be a useful solution -- annoying people would be modded down to certain levels; players could set there own tolerance threshold of what they're willing to listen to |
| 22:58.35 | [dmp] | Anyway, I've told calico that i dont want to play official matches anymore. (Not for now, anyway). I'd like to leave if people get to annoying. And doing that in a match isnt my style. I like my teammates and dont like abandoning them. |
| 22:58.49 | learner | on slashdot, I never go below 3 -- default is 5 (_long_ time slashdot reader) |
| 23:00.12 | [dmp] | On slashdot i mostly only read the post itself, not the comments. Unless its very interesting, or im bored :) |
| 23:00.13 | learner | I'd also be useful to have auto-admin modding if your karma was good enough |
| 23:00.40 | learner | heh, the comments used to mostly contain intelligent commentary |
| 23:01.25 | learner | once the posts started going above 50/100/1000 for stories -- the crap level started rising |
| 23:01.46 | [dmp] | "1 post" :-) |
| 23:02.26 | learner | we're having that issue here in bz now .. the users are crossing the 50/100 level and the crap is rising |
| 23:02.35 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI/Drawable/VRML (Parser.py): About a 2x speedup in the VRML loader by using psyco if it's installed |
| 23:06.00 | [dmp] | :-) |
| 23:06.36 | [dmp] | according to rfc, writing to [dmp] and {dmp} should be the same. But it isnt here. So this should be why xchat (who obey it) think you're me. |
| 23:06.42 | learner | yes.. that's the problem -- other stuff (like cheating) is more important right _now_ .. it's going to be a big problem later, though, if bz gets any more popular |
| 23:07.08 | learner | 19:06:57: --> {dmp} this is atest |
| 23:07.09 | learner | 19:06:58: *** {dmp} No such nick/channel |
| 23:07.38 | learner | irc.freenode.net servers? |
| 23:07.39 | [dmp] | learner: .. thats because dancerd dosnt follow rfc. |
| 23:07.49 | learner | ah.. good for them :) |
| 23:09.45 | [dmp] | Well,i kinda see xchat's point. They just follow the rfc, and dont wanna make a hack to avoid this problem. They think freenode should act as RFC dicates |
| 23:09.55 | [dmp] | or at least, make {} illegal chars in nick. |
| 23:09.59 | *** join/#bzflag gonkulator (~brandon@0-1pool70-73.nas26.thornton1.co.us.da.qwest.net) |
| 23:10.00 | [dmp] | or [] :) |
| 23:10.15 | learner | probably should follow the irc, yes |
| 23:10.24 | learner | I do think that requirements bogus, though |
| 23:10.54 | learner | it'd be nice if you could use _any_ alphanumeric |
| 23:11.22 | [dmp] | I dont question my RFC^H^H^Hbible :) |
| 23:11.47 | [dmp] | :) |
| 23:12.15 | scanline | captain_proton: if we ever have any good Z-buffering related errors on pybzflag's shadows, we need to name the screenshot shadow_conflict.jpeg |
| 23:12.28 | captain_proton | scanline: hahahahaha |
| 23:12.36 | learner | hehe |
| 23:12.39 | scanline | :) |
| 23:16.02 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 23:16.20 | captain_proton | i think someone must have fixed it |
| 23:16.24 | captain_proton | because i'm not seeing any errors |
| 23:17.03 | scanline | could unfix it :) |
| 23:17.18 | learner | :-) |
| 23:17.43 | scanline | [dmp]: that must be like reading diablo-d3's rants about piracy |
| 23:18.16 | scanline | he'll go on about how wrong pirated anime is, then go use his pirated copy of lightwave |
| 23:19.18 | learner | spiff is often rather presumptuous and arrogant when it serves his opinion |
| 23:19.46 | learner | he is a good player, but often instigates way too much trouble via his personality |
| 23:21.10 | captain_proton | nevermind that he himself has pirated anime |
| 23:21.20 | captain_proton | but its ok, because he downloaded it before it was licensed! |
| 23:21.35 | scanline | mmmyep... |
| 23:21.38 | learner | bah piracy shmiracy |
| 23:22.18 | captain_proton | mostly boils down to "i don't steal from my own industry" |
| 23:22.24 | scanline | hehe |
| 23:22.40 | learner | the money "lost" in piracy is almost always recovered in popularity and publicity |
| 23:23.06 | scanline | I haven't thought much about software piracy, mostly because I don't have a need for most software that's not at least free as in beer |
| 23:23.44 | scanline | learner: heh, yeah... windows is the most pirated OS, but it's not exactly on the verge of extinction |
| 23:23.51 | [dmp] | My last CD i bought i couldnt play it on my hifi, because of copyprotection. Now guess how motivated im for buy more cds. I bought and paid for it, legally. I get less trouble downloading it from the 'net. |
| 23:24.23 | [dmp] | except netradio sucks when you play bzflag :) |
| 23:33.34 | KTL_ | KTL is going to search for more nice chit-chat 3/4 computer minded irc channels, the big channels are boring, the small ones are lovely |
| 23:36.40 | KTL_ | why is bzflag so system-dependant? |
| 23:36.49 | captain_proton | huh? |
| 23:36.59 | KTL_ | to be a good player ok you need to play good |
| 23:37.09 | KTL_ | but you system must be very good to |
| 23:37.19 | KTL_ | not only the hardware (graphics card) |
| 23:37.45 | KTL_ | but if i play bzflag on win xp same system then it is significantly slower then on debian |
| 23:37.53 | KTL_ | it's not only lag |
| 23:37.56 | learner | patches are welcome :) |
| 23:38.13 | captain_proton | you probably have something running in the background on xp thats slowing it down |
| 23:38.35 | KTL_ | possibly, it'll be called windows explorer i guess |
| 23:39.23 | scanline | that monkey is so much cuter now |
| 23:39.34 | KTL_ | url? |
| 23:39.36 | KTL_ | :-) |
| 23:39.38 | scanline | before I didn't know it was supposed to be a subsurf model.. I thought it was just a particularly low-res normal model |
| 23:41.06 | *** part/#bzflag tea|tree_ (~tea|tree@pD9E96AD6.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 23:41.23 | KTL_ | i don't really understand how opengl can handle subsurf (if it does) |
| 23:41.53 | KTL_ | (especially because i remember subsurfing is cpu-intensive) |
| 23:41.56 | scanline | it doesn't, and it's not opengl's job |
| 23:42.02 | scanline | opengl is a low-level API |
| 23:42.24 | KTL_ | euhm, are you converting it to an extreme amount of verteces then? |
| 23:42.38 | scanline | well, this monkey is just a blender model with lots of vertices now, so yes |
| 23:42.44 | KTL_ | ok :-) |
| 23:42.47 | scanline | but there are good ways to do it in real-time |
| 23:42.51 | scanline | that's a different project :p |
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| 23:44.34 | scanline | http://navi.picogui.org/images/bzflag/fsaa_monkey.jpeg |
| 23:45.02 | captain_proton | ooh |
| 23:45.03 | scanline | 516kB VRML model with about 15000 vertices |
| 23:45.05 | captain_proton | a multisampled monkey |
| 23:45.51 | scanline | oh, and I put up a particle screenie :) |
| 23:46.19 | captain_proton | ooh |
| 23:46.24 | captain_proton | that monkey does look better |
| 23:47.29 | captain_proton | hrm |
| 23:47.33 | captain_proton | its considerably less anaglyphed |
| 23:51.40 | CIA | 03davidtrowbridge * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI (AnaglyphView.py): change eye separation to 25 |
| 23:53.09 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag (2 files in 2 dirs): Speed boost of about 20 FHz on the monkey in modelviewer by only enabling GL_NORMALIZE if we have a mesh transformation matrix |
| 23:54.56 | scanline | http://navi.picogui.org/images/bzflag/particle_test1.jpeg |
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