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| 00:17.41 | learner | hmmm.. OpenGLTexFont::getWidth() has the same absurd inefficiency |
| 00:25.21 | tea|tree_ | ...huhu |
| 00:34.51 | Tupone | I put the gprof output on http://www.bzflag.org/wiki/ProfilingInfo?action=edit |
| 00:35.25 | Tupone | only a part of it. |
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| 00:39.39 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 00:41.04 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/platform/MacOSX/BZFlag.pbproj (project.pbxproj): newly added files added |
| 00:48.43 | JBDiGriz | uh-oh, next think we know captain_proton will be joining Dervish's group on bzbb! |
| 00:50.56 | Tupone | JBDiGriz: you can get the gprof output (part of it) on http://www.bzflag.org/wiki/ProfilingInfo?action=edit |
| 00:51.45 | captain_proton | JBDiGriz: hah, not bloody likely |
| 00:52.26 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/ogl (OpenGLTexFont.cxx): removed inefficiency in draw() and getLength() |
| 00:53.38 | JBDiGriz | Tupone: Thanks, I'll look it over! |
| 00:53.48 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/platform/MacOSX/BZFlag.pbproj (project.pbxproj): added new resources to project |
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| 00:54.08 | learner | Tupone: I just made a couple changes to draw() -- be interested in knowing if it makes a difference |
| 00:55.05 | Tupone | CVS is slow ... |
| 00:56.04 | JBDiGriz | learner: did you take out the strdups and just run from the strings? |
| 00:56.27 | learner | yes |
| 00:56.39 | JBDiGriz | Both instances? |
| 00:56.46 | learner | there was already even a routine to get the string length non-destructively.. |
| 00:58.12 | learner | there was a second instance in getLength() (or something like that) that I also "repaired" |
| 00:58.24 | JBDiGriz | That's why we need the programmer docs, I don't suppose you javadoc'ed it as well? |
| 01:01.16 | learner | ha, not likely :) |
| 01:02.57 | learner | I seem to have run into a bug with sending team messages.. if I message public, message team (which doesn't display), and then message public again -- my connection to the server is dropped |
| 01:04.27 | Tupone | Time spent is very similar. |
| 01:04.42 | JBDiGriz | I would have been highly impressed if you had added the comments! ;-) |
| 01:05.32 | learner | glad to unimpress :) |
| 01:05.59 | JBDiGriz | I rarely make boolean comments :-P |
| 01:06.15 | learner | I can reliably reproduce the bug as follows: |
| 01:06.54 | Tupone | I'm running with texture enabled. |
| 01:07.17 | learner | 1) connect and enter game 2) message public (asdf) 3) message team (asdf) -- displays nothing 4) message public (asdf) -- displays nothing 5) message public (asdf) -- disconnects |
| 01:07.49 | JBDiGriz | I just tried that with an old 1.9 build, and didn't see any problems. |
| 01:10.28 | Tupone | I see that .. on the last build |
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| 01:18.39 | TimRiker | yea... |
| 01:18.49 | TimRiker | ~weather kdfw |
| 01:18.54 | bzdoug | greetings timriker :) |
| 01:19.09 | TimRiker | weather returns to ibot. |
| 01:19.13 | bzdoug | yay |
| 01:19.17 | bzdoug | I guess :) |
| 01:19.20 | TimRiker | ;-) |
| 01:19.28 | learner | ~weather kapg |
| 01:19.38 | bzdoug | ~weather louk |
| 01:19.42 | learner | c00l |
| 01:20.40 | bzdoug | ~weather ksdf |
| 01:20.56 | bzdoug | all lies |
| 01:21.03 | bzdoug | :) |
| 01:21.16 | bzdoug | hmm, thought the temp seems right :) |
| 01:22.13 | JBDiGriz | ~weather ksan |
| 01:23.57 | JBDiGriz | ~weather k2l7 |
| 01:24.50 | JBDiGriz | strange, it's listed on that site. |
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| 01:53.42 | bryjen | ~weather kowb |
| 01:55.30 | bryjen | apparently we don't have equipment for dew point or humidity |
| 01:55.59 | learner | hrm.. I just ran a profile and draw() is nowhere to be seen |
| 01:56.41 | learner | time is mostly spent in libSceneDB, at least on tim's server |
| 01:56.43 | MrApathyCream | hmm, why is this more efficient? |
| 01:56.43 | MrApathyCream | - const Glyph& g = glyph[c - 32]; |
| 01:56.44 | MrApathyCream | - glBitmap(g.width, g.height, g.xorig, g.yorig, g.xmove, g.ymove, g.bitmap); |
| 01:56.44 | MrApathyCream | + c -= 32; |
| 01:56.44 | MrApathyCream | + glBitmap(glyph[c].width, glyph[c].height, glyph[c].xorig, glyph[c].yorig, glyph[c].xmove, glyph[c].ymove, glyph[c].bitmap); |
| 01:57.03 | learner | more efficient than what? |
| 01:57.13 | MrApathyCream | why are the pluses better than the minuses? |
| 01:57.14 | bryjen | notice the - and + |
| 01:57.15 | learner | ah, both there.. |
| 01:57.36 | learner | those two should be just about the same |
| 01:57.51 | learner | the change was removal of the dup |
| 01:57.54 | MrApathyCream | not really, the new stuff does multple array offset calcs |
| 01:58.35 | MrApathyCream | dup? |
| 01:58.45 | learner | should happen only once with optimization, but I agree |
| 01:59.23 | learner | there was a strdup happening to compute a string length |
| 02:00.09 | MrApathyCream | ah,ok |
| 02:00.30 | learner | the tradeoff for the prior was with the multiple reference inits |
| 02:00.41 | learner | it'd be interesting to see what the difference really is |
| 02:01.43 | TimRiker | use a pointer to glyph[c - 32] perhaps? |
| 02:02.04 | TimRiker | oh, it is a Glyph&. hmm. |
| 02:02.17 | learner | want it changed back? I doubt it matters much, but I will |
| 02:02.24 | MrApathyCream | i'd change back |
| 02:02.31 | learner | yea, I pondered using a pointer |
| 02:02.47 | TimRiker | const *Glyph g = ? |
| 02:03.04 | learner | that would invoke a copy constructor.. |
| 02:03.25 | MrApathyCream | no.... |
| 02:03.25 | TimRiker | *const Glyph g = ? |
| 02:03.35 | MrApathyCream | just use the reference, no? |
| 02:04.06 | learner | only if it's inside the loop can you make it const -- I was trying to move the reference outside of the loop |
| 02:05.24 | learner | that was my second choice |
| 02:05.54 | learner | but then, like I said -- i'm not seeing that routine in a profile alltogether.. :/ |
| 02:06.11 | learner | No test code to poke it |
| 02:06.57 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/doc (TODO): Re-add cloud lighting, tweak some of the other items |
| 02:09.35 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/ogl (OpenGLTexFont.cxx): readded const reference to inner loop |
| 02:12.10 | CIA | 03davidtrowbridge * 12pybzflag/doc (TODO): bwahaha |
| 02:12.14 | learner | should doc comments go in header or in source files for class methods? |
| 02:12.25 | captain_proton | javadoc type comments? |
| 02:12.35 | captain_proton | headers |
| 02:14.11 | MrApathyCream | cappy, when ya doin' the BZDB cached vars & MsgSetVar |
| 02:14.19 | MrApathyCream | if you set it up, i'll pitch in |
| 02:15.23 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 02:15.24 | captain_proton | BZDB you say |
| 02:19.54 | MrApathyCream | i do |
| 02:20.54 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/ (5 files in 3 dirs): add lockOnAngle to BZDB |
| 02:26.00 | captain_proton | ugh |
| 02:26.06 | captain_proton | i think i gotta switch back to a 2.4 kernel |
| 02:26.17 | captain_proton | these huge delays with opengl are insane |
| 02:39.39 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/include (OpenGLTexFont.h): commentification |
| 02:49.05 | learner | bzflag is impressively uncommen^H^H^H^H^H^Hdocumented |
| 03:00.46 | CIA | 03davidtrowbridge * 12bzflag/include (OpenGLTexFont.h): format the comments in a doxygen-friendly way |
| 03:00.59 | learner | eh? |
| 03:01.34 | captain_proton | yupyup |
| 03:01.56 | learner | it didn't like the * prefixings?? |
| 03:02.29 | captain_proton | dunno |
| 03:02.54 | learner | ewww.. |
| 03:02.58 | learner | :) |
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| 03:03.32 | learner | well.. not "everything" else .. but I'm not going to point them out :p |
| 03:08.44 | learner | hrm.. actually of the minority of /* */ style comments -- I can't find usage without the "*" prefixing... |
| 03:09.33 | learner | couldn't find a single instance of that style comment in src/bzflag or include/ ... |
| 03:10.48 | captain_proton | ConfigFileManager? |
| 03:11.12 | captain_proton | if it were python it would be enclosed in """ ... """ |
| 03:11.19 | learner | I stand corrected .. there is an instance :) |
| 03:12.17 | captain_proton | eek, i'm scared! |
| 03:12.55 | captain_proton | =) |
| 03:12.57 | learner | xpilot is great.. |
| 03:16.00 | learner | now that I look at it ... that comment style sucks :) |
| 03:16.59 | captain_proton | heh |
| 03:19.39 | captain_proton | i doubt it |
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| 04:07.17 | Chikorita | hello? |
| 04:13.27 | MrApathyCream | how da is you be doin', chiko? |
| 04:15.28 | Chikorita | hi MrApathyCream |
| 04:15.35 | Chikorita | hey gues wut |
| 04:15.51 | Chikorita | i doin good how r u? |
| 04:17.09 | MrApathyCream | i is bein' mighty fine |
| 04:17.16 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/src/ogl (OpenGLTexFont.cxx): remove stupid vc warnings |
| 04:18.04 | Chikorita | hey i jus saw da TV commercial for da new apple G5 chip |
| 04:18.37 | Chikorita | dey claim itz da worlds fastest pc puter chip |
| 04:18.43 | *** join/#bzflag SGI (~SGI@pcp01642968pcs.sothfd01.mi.comcast.net) |
| 04:18.49 | SGI | hello |
| 04:18.49 | Chikorita | i want 1 now |
| 04:18.54 | Chikorita | hi sgi |
| 04:18.55 | MrApathyCream | howdy |
| 04:19.07 | Chikorita | hey i was jus talkin bout da new apple G5 chip |
| 04:19.19 | SGI | great |
| 04:19.27 | SGI | nice look |
| 04:19.45 | Chikorita | dey say itz da fastest pc chip on da market |
| 04:19.48 | SGI | i love the mac exterior design :o) |
| 04:19.54 | MrApathyCream | :) |
| 04:19.55 | Chikorita | fasta than pentium |
| 04:19.57 | SGI | 64bit |
| 04:20.01 | Chikorita | uh huh |
| 04:20.06 | Chikorita | i want 1 |
| 04:20.09 | Chikorita | heehe |
| 04:20.11 | MrApathyCream | how fast can Word go? |
| 04:20.12 | Chikorita | gimme |
| 04:20.13 | SGI | $1999 |
| 04:20.17 | Chikorita | ooH |
| 04:20.20 | Chikorita | :P |
| 04:20.39 | Chikorita | dats alot of $$$ |
| 04:20.52 | SGI | 1.6Ghz |
| 04:21.13 | SGI | for the dual $2999 |
| 04:21.18 | DTRemenak | Head-to-head, I'd have to place my bets on the Opteron over the G5 |
| 04:21.23 | SGI | without monitor |
| 04:21.32 | Chikorita | yea Opteron |
| 04:21.35 | Chikorita | AMD |
| 04:21.37 | SGI | and use the new OS ..panther |
| 04:21.41 | Chikorita | winky werks 4 AMD |
| 04:21.52 | Chikorita | IBM gonna buy AMD 1 day too |
| 04:21.59 | SGI | the panther still the money from your pocket |
| 04:22.01 | MrApathyCream | the company? |
| 04:22.02 | Chikorita | AMD gonna get big |
| 04:22.06 | Chikorita | ya |
| 04:22.20 | SGI | linux will be great |
| 04:22.43 | SGI | mac started working with "unix" |
| 04:23.01 | Chikorita | hi DTR my ex-teammie :) |
| 04:23.09 | DTRemenak | hello |
| 04:23.20 | SGI | DTR i sent the PM for the GUI |
| 04:23.27 | SGI | hello |
| 04:23.30 | DTRemenak | ok, cool...I'll go read it |
| 04:23.35 | SGI | I love it |
| 04:24.03 | SGI | btw im happy tomorrow in the office im testing the new pc |
| 04:24.13 | Chikorita | o wut kind? |
| 04:24.18 | SGI | but im losing the SGI |
| 04:24.27 | SGI | its just a dell |
| 04:24.28 | Chikorita | aww |
| 04:24.33 | SGI | dual processor |
| 04:24.39 | SGI | 1.7ghz |
| 04:24.47 | SGI | wild card 7110 |
| 04:24.49 | Chikorita | so wil u change ur name from SGI 2 Dell now? LoL |
| 04:24.56 | Chikorita | j/k |
| 04:24.57 | SGI | 2gb ram |
| 04:25.02 | Chikorita | wow |
| 04:25.04 | Chikorita | kewl |
| 04:25.09 | SGI | yeah the company think is cheapper |
| 04:25.52 | SGI | no im still SGI ..... |
| 04:26.09 | SGI | SGI_ _ _ _ _ |
| 04:27.02 | SGI | no my next nick will be STEVE....you want to buy a DELL |
| 04:27.08 | SGI | or some |
| 04:27.30 | Chikorita | lol |
| 04:27.43 | learner | hi, chika :) |
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| 04:27.46 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o captain_pistachi] by ChanServ |
| 04:27.50 | Chikorita | learnerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr! |
| 04:27.55 | Chikorita | hi |
| 04:27.59 | Chikorita | heehe |
| 04:28.00 | SGI | they put some hrbs inside the DELL |
| 04:28.09 | Chikorita | herbs? |
| 04:28.21 | SGI | STEVE do you remember STEVE |
| 04:28.32 | Chikorita | lol@captain pistachio |
| 04:28.51 | SGI | harlock |
| 04:29.17 | Chikorita | yea steve da guy dat sez "dude ur gettin a dell, sweeeet" |
| 04:29.29 | Chikorita | ? |
| 04:29.35 | SGI | been arrested for marijuana |
| 04:29.39 | captain_proton | whoa |
| 04:29.42 | captain_proton | xchat changed |
| 04:29.48 | Chikorita | he was? |
| 04:29.51 | Chikorita | haha |
| 04:29.52 | SGI | yeah |
| 04:30.08 | Chikorita | he looks like a typical pothead too |
| 04:30.15 | Chikorita | no big surprise |
| 04:30.43 | Chikorita | vote 4 arnold swarzenegger! |
| 04:30.54 | Chikorita | aww okies nite nite learner |
| 04:31.30 | SGI | nite |
| 04:32.02 | Chikorita | SGI r u from da USA? or spain? |
| 04:32.02 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/win32 (bzflag.dsp): fix temp directory for vc debug of bzflag |
| 04:32.02 | SGI | check here i found it |
| 04:32.05 | captain_proton | time to see if gl works better |
| 04:32.11 | SGI | http://www.macobserver.com/article/2003/02/11.5.shtml |
| 04:32.16 | Chikorita | o okies |
| 04:32.23 | SGI | its hard to say |
| 04:32.39 | SGI | my wife she is american |
| 04:32.54 | SGI | my daughter too for the passport |
| 04:32.59 | SGI | :o) |
| 04:33.45 | SGI | Benjamin Curtis, a.k.a |
| 04:33.52 | SGI | Steve |
| 04:34.01 | Chikorita | LoL |
| 04:34.15 | Chikorita | "dude ur getting a cell" LoL |
| 04:34.20 | Chikorita | haha |
| 04:34.31 | Chikorita | dats funnnyy |
| 04:34.51 | Chikorita | he kinda cute tho i thought |
| 04:35.01 | SGI | now you know why is anynore in the tv |
| 04:35.07 | Chikorita | da new dell guy iz cutie also |
| 04:35.14 | Chikorita | o i c |
| 04:35.28 | SGI | bye bye tv.... |
| 04:35.35 | Chikorita | heh |
| 04:35.50 | SGI | no anymore AD in tv |
| 04:35.58 | Chikorita | o wel im sure he made alot of money from makin dem commercials |
| 04:36.08 | Chikorita | jus say no 2 drugz |
| 04:36.13 | Chikorita | drugz bad bad |
| 04:36.30 | SGI | only beeeeeeeeeeeer |
| 04:36.32 | Chikorita | so ur family iz american an u r spanish yes? |
| 04:36.38 | SGI | nope |
| 04:36.41 | Chikorita | o |
| 04:36.49 | SGI | its long |
| 04:36.53 | SGI | are you ready |
| 04:36.55 | Chikorita | k |
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| 04:36.58 | Chikorita | ya |
| 04:37.07 | Chikorita | i like long personal stories :) |
| 04:37.11 | Chikorita | hi jaybee |
| 04:37.27 | SGI | the mother of my father...from Lion/French |
| 04:37.33 | Chikorita | jaybee gimee a beer heehe |
| 04:37.39 | Chikorita | o okies |
| 04:37.48 | SGI | my father born in Italy |
| 04:37.56 | Chikorita | grannie was french , gotcha |
| 04:38.07 | Chikorita | k daddy iz italian , okies |
| 04:38.16 | SGI | the mother of my mother...romenia |
| 04:38.41 | JBDiGriz | Shouldn't your callsign be UN? |
| 04:38.42 | SGI | the father or my mother Croatian |
| 04:38.45 | Chikorita | add romania to da mix.. |
| 04:39.00 | Chikorita | an a lil croatian ...k |
| 04:39.07 | SGI | my mother Croatian 50% Romenian 50% |
| 04:39.27 | SGI | my father 50% French 50% italian |
| 04:39.37 | Chikorita | so basically u r jus a european |
| 04:40.05 | SGI | im born in Italy and grew up 50% in Italy and 50 % Croatia |
| 04:40.16 | SGI | bastard...:o) |
| 04:40.16 | Chikorita | o okies |
| 04:40.22 | Chikorita | lol |
| 04:40.41 | Chikorita | bastard iz a harse werd ...maybee da werd "mutt" iz betta |
| 04:40.43 | Chikorita | ;) |
| 04:40.52 | SGI | I understand french...croatian italian and spanish |
| 04:40.54 | Chikorita | u european mutt |
| 04:40.57 | Chikorita | haha ;) |
| 04:41.01 | SGI | I meet an american girl |
| 04:41.02 | Chikorita | o kewl |
| 04:41.07 | SGI | and im here in USA |
| 04:41.17 | Chikorita | aww datz sweet |
| 04:41.27 | Chikorita | so now u kno english 2 :) |
| 04:41.35 | SGI | no really |
| 04:41.41 | SGI | im working on it |
| 04:41.43 | Chikorita | wel i undastand ya |
| 04:41.57 | Chikorita | watch american TV an u wil learn fast LoL |
| 04:41.57 | SGI | still ..sgienglish |
| 04:42.02 | Chikorita | lol |
| 04:42.16 | SGI | I dont love tv a lot |
| 04:42.30 | SGI | Im watching some movie |
| 04:42.43 | SGI | godfather, good fellas |
| 04:42.44 | Chikorita | i watch alil now an then ... |
| 04:42.50 | Chikorita | ooH good movie |
| 04:42.52 | learner | you're english is pretty good sgi :) better than many gringos.. |
| 04:42.55 | Chikorita | skeery |
| 04:42.57 | Chikorita | mean peeps |
| 04:43.06 | Chikorita | lol learner |
| 04:43.09 | SGI | :o0 |
| 04:43.17 | SGI | ohhhhhhhhhhhh thanks |
| 04:43.27 | learner | godfather.. ah.. great movie :) |
| 04:43.29 | Chikorita | i alwayz tho SGI was spanish 4 sum reason.. |
| 04:43.39 | learner | i did too .. for a long time |
| 04:44.18 | SGI | because im a nice caliente ..... |
| 04:44.35 | learner | jeje |
| 04:44.40 | SGI | probably I answered to someone |
| 04:44.50 | SGI | he spoke in spanish with me |
| 04:45.03 | Chikorita | o |
| 04:45.20 | Chikorita | momma mia<<<dats da only italian i kno :) |
| 04:45.24 | learner | maybe -- then I thought you were asian for the longest time given your anime interest :) |
| 04:45.44 | SGI | I love anime and comics books |
| 04:45.52 | Chikorita | lol |
| 04:46.06 | Chikorita | i like cartoons |
| 04:46.10 | Chikorita | like hello kitty |
| 04:46.10 | SGI | I have all my collection from Italy |
| 04:46.33 | learner | heh, that's not a cartoon.. :) |
| 04:46.37 | learner | it's a franchise :) |
| 04:46.38 | SGI | you can find hello kitty in the BZBB forum |
| 04:46.47 | Chikorita | did any1 eva watch Tama an friends show? |
| 04:47.07 | SGI | sesame and wiggles |
| 04:47.30 | learner | Tama ana Jerry? :) |
| 04:47.37 | Chikorita | lol no |
| 04:47.41 | Chikorita | nevamind |
| 04:48.01 | Chikorita | Hamtoro iz gettin popular |
| 04:48.09 | Chikorita | dey r cute ham hams |
| 04:49.10 | Chikorita | SGI i have a bad werd to add to ur list of foreign bad werds list |
| 04:49.21 | learner | oh yea.. sgi.. |
| 04:49.26 | learner | bad words list.. |
| 04:49.43 | Chikorita | da werd "snappy" ...dat iz a very veerryy bad werd ;) |
| 04:49.45 | SGI | send me the words |
| 04:50.03 | learner | sgi: I compiled a rather "large" list of bad words |
| 04:50.14 | learner | do you have cvs access? |
| 04:50.17 | Chikorita | such as ... "dang SGI dat was a very snappy shot u took at my tank" ;) |
| 04:50.18 | SGI | which language |
| 04:50.30 | SGI | nno |
| 04:50.32 | learner | multilingual -- about 14 or so languages |
| 04:50.40 | SGI | dammmm "n" |
| 04:50.43 | learner | :) |
| 04:50.46 | learner | n:) |
| 04:50.46 | Chikorita | scheisse means poop in german |
| 04:50.50 | SGI | cvs ...bzflag |
| 04:50.55 | learner | not quite chika :) |
| 04:50.58 | Chikorita | i hear da german playas say it all da time |
| 04:51.10 | SGI | schon |
| 04:51.17 | learner | it means f*ck :) |
| 04:51.24 | Chikorita | noo |
| 04:51.29 | Chikorita | really??! |
| 04:51.32 | Chikorita | dang |
| 04:51.35 | SGI | lolololo |
| 04:51.37 | Chikorita | bad bad germans |
| 04:51.38 | learner | lol |
| 04:51.39 | Chikorita | LoL |
| 04:51.45 | learner | rotfl |
| 04:51.54 | SGI | poor chicko |
| 04:52.01 | Chikorita | :/ |
| 04:52.17 | SGI | cvs on bzflag |
| 04:52.21 | learner | sgi, I modified the bzflag server and added an agressive bad word filtering capability |
| 04:52.25 | Chikorita | foo meanz f*ck in chikorese ;) |
| 04:52.30 | Chikorita | foo on u |
| 04:52.32 | Chikorita | heehe |
| 04:52.33 | learner | it does worlds more comparisons that the existing |
| 04:53.03 | Chikorita | i wish callsigns could have dis bad werd filter :/ |
| 04:53.12 | SGI | and fyays |
| 04:53.12 | learner | I added that too, chika :) |
| 04:53.27 | Chikorita | i saw sum1 playin taday his name was "f*cktard" an he was TKing too |
| 04:53.29 | Chikorita | :( |
| 04:53.36 | Chikorita | yay learner :) |
| 04:53.58 | Chikorita | ya wee really need dat ...cuz i seen sum ugly nassy names b4 |
| 04:54.03 | SGI | they are so "little |
| 04:54.06 | Chikorita | prolly all spoogebob |
| 04:54.18 | learner | server admins will still have to enable it to use it, though |
| 04:54.21 | SGI | call him spoonge |
| 04:54.30 | SGI | yes |
| 04:54.47 | learner | and the bad words list only contains generally very obscene/offensive words so it won't block general insults |
| 04:55.07 | Chikorita | i saw a very funny name taday tho ..it wasnt nassy jus funny... |
| 04:55.28 | Chikorita | hiz callsign was "YOUR MOTHER HAS THE OBESITY FLAG" |
| 04:55.32 | Chikorita | LoL |
| 04:55.39 | DTRemenak | lol |
| 04:55.59 | learner | heh |
| 04:56.24 | SGI | LOL |
| 04:56.39 | learner | ok sgi.. |
| 04:56.40 | learner | http://brlcad.org/tmp/multilingualSwearList.txt |
| 04:56.49 | learner | that's the latest |
| 04:57.10 | learner | that's in the cvs repository in the misc/ dir |
| 04:57.37 | learner | the internationals can use a lot of work, so any changes are welcome |
| 04:58.17 | learner | you don't have to worry about english suffixes, though, or repetition |
| 04:58.17 | DTRemenak | hm...are the userdb/passdb file formats changing for 1.9, or just the way they're handled internally? |
| 04:58.29 | DTRemenak | I could go look, but am too lazy |
| 04:59.07 | Chikorita | lol@assmeat werd |
| 04:59.20 | Chikorita | lol@bzbitch werd |
| 04:59.30 | SGI | DTR there is the badwords file in cvs |
| 04:59.40 | Chikorita | asspeddle! LoL |
| 04:59.53 | SGI | we can update |
| 04:59.55 | Chikorita | i neva heard dese werds b4 buh dey r funny |
| 04:59.57 | DTRemenak | ah, cool...is it going to be distributed with BZFlag proper, does anyone know? |
| 05:00.02 | learner | who's using the badwords dtr or sgi? I thought you were sgi? |
| 05:00.03 | SGI | with differnt languges |
| 05:00.22 | SGI | im going to use but i spoke with DTR |
| 05:00.23 | learner | DTRemenak: it's not clear yet whether it'll be distributed |
| 05:00.25 | Chikorita | wow dat iz quite a comprehensive list learner ..good job :) |
| 05:00.33 | DTRemenak | ah |
| 05:00.38 | learner | it's a nasty resource to push out to all distributions |
| 05:00.43 | SGI | about it |
| 05:00.50 | DTRemenak | true |
| 05:00.52 | SGI | no only for admins |
| 05:00.54 | MrApathyCream | hmmm is MsgSetTTL not defunct? |
| 05:01.03 | DTRemenak | could compress it, would make it non-human-readable |
| 05:01.10 | DTRemenak | zlib is already built into BZFlag |
| 05:01.12 | SGI | i think is better only for the ADMINs |
| 05:01.23 | learner | I'd expect it to just stay in the source releases or perhaps even just cvs -- and admins who ask for it can get it |
| 05:01.36 | SGI | yes |
| 05:02.07 | learner | DTR: did you catch the url? |
| 05:02.12 | DTRemenak | yes |
| 05:02.14 | DTRemenak | thank you |
| 05:02.24 | Chikorita | buh wil it affect peeps dat try 2 talk like normal wifout tryin 2 mean bad stuff buh da filter wil think itz a bad werd an block it? |
| 05:02.24 | DTRemenak | and it's also in CVS? |
| 05:02.34 | learner | yes, in the misc/ dir |
| 05:02.49 | MrApathyCream | as is MsgNetworkRelay |
| 05:02.49 | learner | like what, chika? |
| 05:02.50 | MrApathyCream | captain_proton: ? |
| 05:03.16 | DTRemenak | cool...next time I'm in a decent os I'll update |
| 05:03.48 | Chikorita | say like sum1 sez "i got a bz itch to play sum FFA" wil da filter tink he sed sumtin bad? |
| 05:03.50 | learner | the aggressive filter that uses that file presently doesn't work under windows (but then I don't think current bzfs does either) |
| 05:04.14 | DTRemenak | lol, I can't even compile it in win anymore |
| 05:04.22 | learner | bzitch isn't a bad word :) |
| 05:04.45 | DTRemenak | VC5 worked for a long time then stopped around July 7th |
| 05:05.13 | Chikorita | ok nevamind |
| 05:05.28 | learner | if anyone wants to try the aggressive filter out, it's running on the brlcad.org bunny server |
| 05:05.36 | Chikorita | lol@assrapingyak |
| 05:05.52 | DTRemenak | lol learner, you're asking us to "Please, come on my server and cuss!" |
| 05:06.04 | SGI | i missed some stuff....my daughter wake up |
| 05:06.05 | learner | yea, some are a bit absurd chika :) |
| 05:06.20 | Chikorita | i stay away from yak now on lol |
| 05:06.20 | learner | dtr: basically ;) |
| 05:06.54 | Chikorita | biggusdikus!! LoL |
| 05:07.08 | SGI | wow the list is long |
| 05:07.21 | DTRemenak | learner: were all these words actually said on some server, or did you think them up? |
| 05:07.22 | learner | about 2000 words/phrases |
| 05:07.24 | SGI | and I found the slovenian too |
| 05:07.24 | Chikorita | i stil readin only da B's so far LoL |
| 05:07.33 | learner | about half are english |
| 05:08.17 | learner | remember that english suffixes are matched automatically so the "real list" of matched words is enormous |
| 05:08.29 | Chikorita | buttholesurfer ...iznt dat a name of a music band? |
| 05:08.59 | Chikorita | buttholeengineer LoL |
| 05:09.21 | learner | dtr: the list is a compilation of about 10 different sources from other filters and prior compilations commonly available |
| 05:09.21 | Chikorita | imma hafta use sum of dese on mah co-werkers tomorrow LoL |
| 05:09.28 | learner | lol, chika |
| 05:09.34 | DTRemenak | does the new filter do foreign-language suffixes/concatenations/conjugations also or just english?? |
| 05:09.43 | learner | just english :( |
| 05:09.59 | learner | it was enough work as it was .. |
| 05:10.18 | Chikorita | wait ... |
| 05:10.24 | Chikorita | cherrypop iz a bad werd? |
| 05:10.25 | learner | it you can come up with some good rules, I'd be glad to add it |
| 05:10.34 | Chikorita | y iz cherrypop a bad werd? |
| 05:10.45 | DTRemenak | re: enough work: no doubt ... lots of effor there |
| 05:10.46 | learner | that probably shouldn't be in there |
| 05:10.53 | Chikorita | dats jus like cherry soda yes? |
| 05:11.10 | Chikorita | or popsicle..? |
| 05:11.21 | learner | no, chika.. the reference is to "pop a girl's 'cherry'" ... *hint* *hint* |
| 05:11.22 | Chikorita | i am on da C's now :) |
| 05:11.39 | Chikorita | i stil dunt get it , buh ok |
| 05:11.51 | learner | but it probably shouldn't be in there -- not exactly obscene -- more slang |
| 05:11.53 | DTRemenak | Maybe I'll do some spanish conjugations for you during some free minutes and see if I can't get Prof. Mackey to give me extra credit ;) |
| 05:11.54 | SGI | wow chickorita...steve is there??? |
| 05:12.07 | Chikorita | steve iz on da list? |
| 05:12.18 | SGI | no with you |
| 05:12.19 | Chikorita | huh? |
| 05:12.25 | Chikorita | no he not |
| 05:12.32 | Chikorita | SGI u r weird |
| 05:12.34 | SGI | nstrange words comming out from you |
| 05:12.35 | Chikorita | lol |
| 05:12.42 | SGI | IM weird.... |
| 05:12.49 | Chikorita | i have a werd 4 u ... |
| 05:12.58 | learner | dtr: I thought of doing spanish (lo hablo) but just didn't for no apparent reason |
| 05:13.00 | SGI | scrool up and check your words...:0) |
| 05:13.26 | SGI | habla espanol |
| 05:13.35 | Chikorita | fannybatter |
| 05:13.40 | SGI | mucho gusto senor |
| 05:13.46 | learner | :) |
| 05:13.54 | SGI | missing something there |
| 05:14.10 | learner | Y cuando aprendiste español? en italia? |
| 05:14.25 | SGI | spanish girls |
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| 05:14.27 | learner | lol |
| 05:14.29 | SGI | vacation time |
| 05:14.36 | learner | que bien :) |
| 05:14.40 | SGI | barcellona |
| 05:14.47 | SGI | el puerto |
| 05:14.51 | learner | wopa -- mejor! |
| 05:15.27 | SGI | my daughter tonight she dont sleep |
| 05:15.52 | Chikorita | SGI es mucho grande fannybatter |
| 05:15.55 | Chikorita | LoL |
| 05:15.58 | Chikorita | j/k |
| 05:16.00 | SGI | you know what is funny |
| 05:16.07 | learner | lmao! |
| 05:16.12 | SGI | pula im romanian is a bad word |
| 05:16.16 | Chikorita | sitonmyface LoL |
| 05:16.30 | SGI | and in croatia is a city |
| 05:17.46 | Chikorita | jy pis my af LoL |
| 05:18.16 | Chikorita | booger jy pis my af all da time LoL |
| 05:18.27 | Chikorita | hey i learnin new languages now |
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| 05:19.03 | DTRemenak | Now if just everyone would use something sensible like Esperanto...or Vulcan |
| 05:19.16 | SGI | hello Sir |
| 05:19.40 | Chikorita | hi Quol u ebn el metanka u ;) |
| 05:19.44 | Chikorita | LoL |
| 05:19.45 | Chikorita | j/k |
| 05:19.53 | SGI | I found problem to login in the port8083 |
| 05:20.07 | learner | like I said before -- feel free to edit the file to your hearts content |
| 05:20.15 | Quol | does anyone know about an issue with defining individual players on a team and then not being able to connect |
| 05:20.29 | Chikorita | hmm |
| 05:20.31 | Quol | nI now SGI - I don't know what it is |
| 05:20.36 | learner | send in the changes to cvs or send them back to me, and I'll remerge it |
| 05:20.44 | SGI | yes |
| 05:21.03 | DTRemenak | Hm, I suppose it would be a waste of time to add vulcan expletives (gutteral form) to the list, wouldn't it |
| 05:21.14 | learner | Quol, I've seen that before -- not sure what it is |
| 05:21.28 | learner | of course not, dtr! |
| 05:21.35 | Quol | dtr? |
| 05:21.44 | DTRemenak | yes? |
| 05:21.50 | learner | I don't know what the iso code for that place would be, though :) |
| 05:21.50 | Quol | ahh - sorry |
| 05:21.59 | learner | :) |
| 05:21.59 | DTRemenak | ah, n/p |
| 05:22.03 | Chikorita | peranuht shoonuh kukneh LoLLL |
| 05:22.36 | Chikorita | o mee poor eyez i shouldnt read sum of dem dey r bad bad |
| 05:22.42 | Chikorita | :P |
| 05:22.49 | Quol | SGI - do yo know if any admins issues the /countdown command or something? |
| 05:23.14 | learner | I spent a couple days compiling the original list.. I was rather repulsed by the end |
| 05:23.17 | SGI | im going to work with the list after the web pages for quol |
| 05:23.18 | SGI | no |
| 05:23.40 | SGI | I believe it |
| 05:24.04 | SGI | btw |
| 05:24.10 | Quol | I think I will use Xaraya for my web front end - unless SGI's is so great - then I might use his :) |
| 05:24.55 | SGI | btw /superkill command doesnt ork on port 59999 |
| 05:25.01 | SGI | work |
| 05:25.11 | Quol | hmmm |
| 05:25.19 | Quol | I have had issues with that command also |
| 05:25.27 | Quol | same with the /flag commands |
| 05:25.33 | Quol | lots of issues there as well |
| 05:26.00 | Chikorita | ni ma la bi <-- chinese for "your mother contracts turtles." LoL |
| 05:26.04 | SGI | I sent to you a working progress web page |
| 05:26.20 | Quol | bzbb or hotmail? |
| 05:26.21 | SGI | chicko she is out |
| 05:26.43 | SGI | hot caliente caldo ... |
| 05:26.58 | SGI | hotmail |
| 05:27.10 | Quol | will check it out |
| 05:27.33 | Chikorita | eww sum of dese werds r sooo gross |
| 05:28.23 | Chikorita | aww okies gnite learner |
| 05:28.30 | Chikorita | c u tommorrow i hopes :) |
| 05:28.36 | Chikorita | byez DTR |
| 05:28.38 | learner | probably :) |
| 05:28.51 | DTRemenak | g'night all...or morning if you're in china |
| 05:28.52 | Quol | see ya learner |
| 05:29.04 | Chikorita | wait ...b4 u both leave ... |
| 05:29.15 | Chikorita | sai ne niang :) |
| 05:29.20 | Chikorita | LoLLLL |
| 05:29.27 | Chikorita | j/k ;) |
| 05:29.34 | learner | did you just tell me to go do something to myself? :) |
| 05:29.45 | SGI | me too good nite ...vampire |
| 05:29.47 | DTRemenak | hm, one to puzzle over, huh? |
| 05:30.03 | SGI | I love your gui DTR |
| 05:30.06 | Chikorita | u can go mine vittu now |
| 05:30.10 | Chikorita | LoLLL |
| 05:30.14 | SGI | i never used before |
| 05:30.15 | DTRemenak | lol, thanks SGI |
| 05:30.27 | SGI | but is great |
| 05:30.32 | SGI | nite |
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| 05:30.43 | *** part/#bzflag SGI (~SGI@pcp01642968pcs.sothfd01.mi.comcast.net) |
| 05:30.59 | Chikorita | la tapette LoL |
| 05:31.31 | Chikorita | tu me fais chier |
| 05:31.34 | learner | I feel so ashamed for showing you that, chika ... |
| 05:31.49 | captain_proton | learner: hehe |
| 05:31.55 | Chikorita | okies i stop |
| 05:32.22 | Chikorita | 1 more last one... |
| 05:32.58 | Chikorita | va briccole avec toi |
| 05:33.10 | Chikorita | tu vache |
| 05:33.12 | Chikorita | LoL |
| 05:33.46 | Chikorita | tu mangeras le tas! |
| 05:33.59 | learner | that's not 1 |
| 05:34.03 | learner | :/ |
| 05:34.07 | Chikorita | hey wait a sec |
| 05:34.14 | Chikorita | i was right afterall |
| 05:34.28 | Chikorita | scheisse duz mean poop in german |
| 05:34.52 | learner | oops, you're right -- I was thinking another word |
| 05:34.57 | Chikorita | fick means f*ck in german , not scheisse so i was right :) |
| 05:35.09 | Chikorita | haha ya score 1 for mee |
| 05:35.18 | Chikorita | 1 point heehe |
| 05:35.39 | learner | I'm not sure I wanna keep tabs on that :) |
| 05:35.51 | Chikorita | schnoodle noodle LoL |
| 05:35.53 | Chikorita | eww |
| 05:36.10 | Chikorita | itz sounds as icky as wut it meanz |
| 05:36.47 | Chikorita | paliarhido LoL |
| 05:37.15 | Chikorita | i bet huh has those LoL |
| 05:38.01 | Chikorita | wow even hindi's have bad werds |
| 05:38.21 | Chikorita | i tho hindi's were all nice buddhists |
| 05:40.11 | Chikorita | finocchio! LoL dat sounds too much like pinocchio |
| 05:40.59 | Chikorita | no scucke ala gats! LoLLLLLLLLLLL |
| 05:41.31 | Chikorita | omg |
| 05:42.00 | Quol | i wish I could figure out this "only 2 people per team allowed to connect to a 4 person per team CTF issue"!!!! |
| 05:42.37 | Chikorita | eemee sheemee pek poejee dah LOLLLL dat iz da funniest one eva LOLLLLLLLLLLLL |
| 05:43.00 | MrApathyCream | quol happen all the time? |
| 05:43.13 | Quol | MrApathyCream, not all the time |
| 05:43.22 | Quol | it seems when I restart the server is is OK |
| 05:43.25 | Quol | server = bzfs |
| 05:43.38 | MrApathyCream | how do you specify player limits? |
| 05:43.42 | Quol | and then it just starts to happen again |
| 05:44.09 | Quol | #Maximum number of players |
| 05:44.10 | Quol | -mp 0,4,4,0,0 |
| 05:44.10 | Quol | #Maximum number of additional observers allowed |
| 05:44.10 | Quol | -mo 5 |
| 05:45.00 | Chikorita | moohoodoo fsodomoc |
| 05:45.18 | Chikorita | drittsekk |
| 05:45.21 | Quol | other than that - I only have the -r for rico, -c for CTF |
| 05:45.29 | Quol | oops +r |
| 05:45.58 | MrApathyCream | how soon does it happen, (how many players need to connect before it happens? any feeling? |
| 05:46.03 | Quol | the -tk option, the db stuff (user, groups, etc..) |
| 05:46.23 | Quol | hmmm - within a week |
| 05:46.43 | Chikorita | baltattsya kak govno v prorubi |
| 05:46.49 | Quol | I would have to do some more testing to figure out if ti happens after everyone leaves or something |
| 05:47.45 | Chikorita | ugh serbian bad werds r so dark humored an ugly |
| 05:48.01 | Quol | it was just happening tonight MrApathyCream, but I just restarted the bzfs instance |
| 05:48.32 | Quol | it happened on Ducati to me also...I wonder if it's a client thing |
| 05:49.38 | MrApathyCream | i'm guessing zombie clients on the server |
| 05:49.58 | Quol | even if you don't see them in the heads up? |
| 05:50.04 | Quol | is there a way to check? |
| 05:50.51 | Quol | would /playerlist |
| 05:50.59 | Quol | show anything? |
| 05:51.12 | Chikorita | bi-ho kee kee |
| 05:51.29 | MrApathyCream | it might |
| 05:51.44 | MrApathyCream | if you can debug, i'd put a breakpoint on the RejectServerFull code in bzfs.cxx |
| 05:51.58 | MrApathyCream | when you hit it (in addPlayer), reset the pc to the top and step thru |
| 05:52.07 | Chikorita | igao walang kang puit |
| 05:53.00 | Quol | hmm - since that went over my head I am guessing no :) |
| 05:53.05 | Chikorita | ananin yara var , ve baban jelos oldu |
| 05:53.12 | Chikorita | LoLL |
| 05:53.56 | Quol | sorry MrApathyCream - i am not good with C at all - I can hack my way through other languages - but don't have a lot of experience with C :) |
| 05:54.09 | MrApathyCream | mmm, k |
| 05:54.13 | Chikorita | ok im dun wif da list :) |
| 05:54.14 | MrApathyCream | try playerlist |
| 05:54.18 | Quol | lol |
| 05:54.21 | Quol | I will |
| 05:54.49 | Chikorita | i bet C++ iz betta than C or C+ |
| 05:54.52 | Chikorita | LoL |
| 05:55.01 | Chikorita | ok i silly |
| 05:55.07 | Quol | :) |
| 05:55.27 | Quol | see ya Chikorita |
| 05:56.13 | Quol | MrApathyCream, do you know what this "ghost" option in g2 is all about? |
| 05:58.51 | Quol | MrApathyCream, would starting the server with 2 '-d' or more make ay difference? |
| 05:58.56 | Quol | all I see in the logs are: |
| 05:59.06 | Quol | all slots occupied, rejecting accept() from 66.167.14.33:5471 on 20 |
| 06:00.34 | MrApathyCream | quol -d perhaps |
| 06:00.50 | captain_proton | who all would be interested in a little decks action in 15 minutes or so? |
| 06:02.21 | Quol | cool!! |
| 06:02.31 | Quol | I also see that the stats server is rejected: |
| 06:02.33 | Quol | all slots occupied, rejecting accept() from 66.62.140.111:33227 on 20 |
| 06:02.44 | Quol | so even the stats server can't connect.... |
| 06:03.06 | Quol | do you think that it could be noodles stat server that isn't disconnecting properly or something? |
| 06:03.34 | MrApathyCream | quol i believe ghost works like xchat's ghost |
| 06:03.48 | MrApathyCream | noodles: probably not |
| 06:03.48 | captain_proton | thats not really a feature of xchat, but of the irc server |
| 06:03.53 | MrApathyCream | yes, ok |
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| 06:12.34 | Quol | g'night all |
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| 06:26.59 | captain_proton | ok kids |
| 06:27.01 | captain_proton | how many shots? |
| 06:27.06 | captain_proton | (1 or 2)? |
| 06:28.04 | MrApathyCream | *shrug* |
| 06:29.33 | captain_proton | oog |
| 06:29.36 | captain_proton | gotta build the server |
| 06:31.54 | MrApathyCream | ? |
| 06:32.53 | captain_proton | i'm running bzfs on patlabor's server |
| 06:38.52 | MrApathyCream | run 1.9 |
| 06:39.53 | captain_proton | its up |
| 06:39.54 | captain_proton | lets play |
| 06:39.57 | captain_proton | asgard.bakadigital.com |
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| 06:40.51 | strayer | good morning... :o) |
| 06:44.43 | prot-work | MrApathyCream: come on! |
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| 06:46.54 | MrApathyCream | bah, 1.7 |
| 06:50.34 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/ (9 files in 3 dirs): Move towards removing PlayerLink |
| 06:54.58 | prot-work | MrApathyCream: come play |
| 06:58.33 | MrApathyCream | using 1.9? |
| 06:58.58 | MrApathyCream | my rope's got a knot in it |
| 07:01.51 | prot-work | using 1.7 |
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| 07:02.05 | prot-work | ignore 1.9 for the time being and play a little (with other people) |
| 07:02.20 | MrApathyCream | i'm too laggy |
| 07:02.26 | prot-work | no you're not |
| 07:02.28 | prot-work | you're fine |
| 07:02.31 | prot-work | its a small game |
| 07:02.41 | MrApathyCream | i have to find a 1.7 client |
| 07:07.50 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/ (8 files in 4 dirs): PlayerLink is dead, long live PlayerLink |
| 07:18.38 | MrApathyCream | server go sleepy? |
| 07:38.45 | gonkulator | bzflag doesn't go full screen on my system |
| 07:38.56 | gonkulator | and I am not going to ask anyone in here to help me fix it! |
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| 07:52.36 | captain_proton | thanks MrApathyCream |
| 07:52.40 | MrApathyCream | cya |
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| 09:00.45 | bomber_ | moin |
| 09:01.50 | strayer | tach bomber_ |
| 09:02.50 | bomber_ | naaa wie gehts? |
| 09:03.09 | strayer | kann nicht klagen....und bei dir? |
| 09:03.19 | bomber_ | heiss heiss baby |
| 09:03.22 | bomber_ | n:o) |
| 09:03.26 | strayer | lol |
| 09:04.08 | bomber_ | hast du schon video genacht OpenGL->avi, mpeg...oder so was aehnliches |
| 09:04.38 | strayer | nur aus Spaß an der Freude....aber nicht wirklich... |
| 09:05.15 | bomber_ | und was hast du benutzt? wenn das nicht geheimniss ist :o) |
| 09:05.16 | strayer | btw...seit Kurzem bin ich leader von HoW...ich weiß aber nicht warum/wieso...seltsam :) |
| 09:05.29 | bomber_ | muhaha |
| 09:05.44 | bomber_ | ich hab so eine idee :o) |
| 09:05.52 | strayer | die wäre? |
| 09:06.41 | bomber_ | mache neues team...da sind doch spieler die wollten spielen und haben kein team |
| 09:08.11 | strayer | ...das stimmt zwar, jedoch weiß ich nicht, wie es bei mir demnächst mit Beruf und Zeit zum Spielen aussieht, daher lasse ich das lieber |
| 09:08.26 | bomber_ | hmmm und wie hast du dieses video gemacht? |
| 09:09.47 | strayer | naja...willst du nur ein bereits existierendes Video codieren? |
| 09:10.32 | bomber_ | nein :o(( |
| 09:10.41 | bomber_ | ich will eine erstellen |
| 09:11.52 | strayer | achso...ich hatte lediglich n paar Videoschnipsel mit ein paar Effekten versehen und als avi-Format codiert... |
| 09:12.01 | strayer | hm... |
| 09:13.00 | bomber_ | mit avifile.h und sooo...? |
| 09:14.34 | strayer | k.A. > ich habe einfach ein Programm genommen und damit rumgespielt... |
| 09:15.38 | bomber_ | hmmm....hmmm.....unter Linux? |
| 09:16.06 | strayer | nein...windows |
| 09:17.31 | bomber_ | ok, das hilft mir nicht.....macht nix...:o))). |
| 09:17.40 | strayer | unter linux habe ich schon genug damit zu kämpfen, dass die nötigsten Programme laufen...wie LICQ und so ;) |
| 09:18.13 | strayer | tja....ich frag mal einen, der Videos bearbeitet..vielleicht kennt der n paar gute tools für Linux |
| 09:20.09 | bomber_ | menscheit werde dankbar :o)) |
| 09:24.30 | strayer | er meinte, er hätte es mal mit 'cinepaint' versucht...ansonsten: google.com :o) |
| 09:32.59 | bzdoug | brb |
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| 13:01.00 | Chikorita | :\ |
| 13:01.03 | Chikorita | :/ |
| 13:01.05 | Chikorita | :P |
| 13:01.17 | Chikorita | :| |
| 13:01.21 | learner | good mornin' chikums |
| 13:01.22 | Chikorita | :o |
| 13:01.25 | Chikorita | :O |
| 13:01.31 | Chikorita | mornin' L |
| 13:01.35 | Chikorita | :) |
| 13:02.05 | Chikorita | did ur puter bling bling ya? |
| 13:02.41 | Chikorita | i have mah speakers off so i neva kno wen sum1 sez sumtin |
| 13:03.17 | Chikorita | im havin spagehtti 4 breakfast |
| 13:03.21 | Chikorita | heehe |
| 13:03.57 | Chikorita | it lookz kinda yucky outside taday dunt it? |
| 13:04.06 | Chikorita | blah |
| 13:04.41 | Tupone | http://www.linuxsecurity.com/articles/general_article-7753.html |
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| 13:17.49 | Chikorita | ~d |
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| 17:16.46 | KR | hi all - heard the good news? IBM countersued SCO :) |
| 17:21.17 | learnerAtWork | yep, me heard -- very good news |
| 17:22.48 | KR | I'll be watching their stock today - I hope it drops hard :) Off 10% already... :) |
| 17:24.15 | Chikorita | hi Kayare! |
| 17:24.39 | Chikorita | who stock wil drop ? IBM or SCO? |
| 17:25.06 | KR | nhi chik - SCO's stock is dropping, already. IBM is up $0.57 |
| 17:25.13 | Chikorita | ooH |
| 17:25.13 | KR | "n" |
| 17:25.17 | KR | :) |
| 17:25.24 | Chikorita | hey KR... |
| 17:25.39 | Chikorita | dunt u think wut Mr. Plow did was a crappy ting 2 do |
| 17:26.08 | Chikorita | dat bother mee wen he switch sides like dat |
| 17:26.13 | [dmp] | hi |
| 17:26.18 | Chikorita | hi dmpee |
| 17:26.21 | KR | didn't notice that chik |
| 17:26.24 | KR | hi dmp |
| 17:26.47 | KR | what did he do - switch to the stronger team? |
| 17:27.10 | KR | dmp - drank some Blue Moon while on vacation :D |
| 17:27.16 | KR | yummy |
| 17:27.56 | [dmp] | I guess it was a good vacation, then ? :) |
| 17:28.03 | KR | oh yeah :) |
| 17:28.33 | KR | northern Wisconsin is a beautiful area, and they have good beers in the bars |
| 17:28.49 | KR | followd by the airshow, it added up to a great week |
| 17:29.43 | [dmp] | sounds like a good reason, for not beeing on ducati :-) |
| 17:29.54 | KR | lol - yes :) |
| 17:30.40 | [dmp] | Nice to have you back. I want to eat now - just wanted to say hello :). bbl |
| 17:30.54 | Chikorita | c u d m p |
| 17:31.05 | learnerAtWork | sounds like it was fun, kr |
| 17:31.38 | KR | bye dmp - had lotsa fun, learner |
| 17:32.22 | KR | met a guy who was a ball-turret gunner in B-17's, did 35 missions... |
| 17:32.35 | KR | and a Luftwaffe flight engineer |
| 17:32.49 | KR | old enemies, revisiting their memories |
| 17:32.55 | KR | interesting stuff |
| 17:33.35 | Chikorita | i like planes |
| 17:34.03 | Chikorita | airshows r fun |
| 17:34.11 | KR | there are about 25,000 planes at Oshkosh for the week - it's the place to go if you want to see them :) |
| 17:34.59 | KR | everything from powered parachutes to the Airbus transport that can carry rockets or other planes in it's interior |
| 17:35.14 | KR | a big ole plane, IOW |
| 17:36.14 | KR | this guy was the funniest - http://www.franklinairshow.com/ |
| 17:36.46 | KR | he mounted a jet engine under a biplane, lotta smoke, noise, and just funny to see a biplane that makes jet noises :) |
| 17:38.17 | Chikorita | did dey have cotton candy there? |
| 17:39.30 | Chikorita | i watched firewerks last nite |
| 17:39.37 | Chikorita | at da baseball stadium |
| 17:39.47 | Chikorita | firewerks r so beautiful |
| 17:39.59 | Chikorita | boom! |
| 17:40.04 | Chikorita | :D |
| 17:40.07 | Chikorita | yay |
| 17:43.58 | Chikorita | LoL i jus taught team ProXs' channel bot 2 call Jaybee a poopsmith |
| 17:46.09 | KR | I'm telling... :P |
| 17:47.08 | Chikorita | LoL i cant change it back , it keeps callin him a poopsmith LoL |
| 17:47.56 | Chikorita | ~d |
| 17:48.12 | Chikorita | hmm |
| 17:48.13 | Chikorita | bbl |
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| 18:59.52 | Chikorita | ibot: botsnack |
| 18:59.52 | | Chikorita: aw, gee |
| 18:59.59 | Chikorita | :) |
| 19:00.07 | Chikorita | good girl |
| 19:00.44 | TimRiker | ~weather kdfw |
| 19:00.48 | Chikorita | *pets ibot* |
| 19:00.59 | Chikorita | hmm |
| 19:01.16 | Chikorita | 100 degress! |
| 19:01.49 | learnerAtWork | ibot: pet chikorita |
| 19:01.50 | | learnerAtWork: wish i knew |
| 19:01.51 | Chikorita | itz hott in texas |
| 19:02.04 | Chikorita | *purrs* |
| 19:02.07 | Chikorita | ;) |
| 19:02.46 | Chikorita | ibot: bite learners ankle |
| 19:02.47 | | Chikorita: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 19:02.49 | Chikorita | heehe |
| 19:02.59 | KR | ibot: beer and pizza for KR |
| 19:02.59 | | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, KR |
| 19:03.21 | Chikorita | mmm |
| 19:03.28 | learnerAtWork | ~weather khgr |
| 19:03.57 | Chikorita | dat remindz mee i found a kewl lil local pizza dive here...for 2 bux u get 2 slices of pizza an a soda :D |
| 19:04.01 | learnerAtWork | I think it's hotter than that today out there.. |
| 19:05.14 | Chikorita | ~weather annp |
| 19:05.29 | learnerAtWork | eek, weather.com says I'm wrong .. that's about right |
| 19:05.40 | learnerAtWork | chika, I think khgr is the closest to you |
| 19:06.46 | Chikorita | ~weather knak |
| 19:07.35 | Chikorita | hmm itz hotter down where u r learner |
| 19:07.48 | learnerAtWork | I'm at... |
| 19:07.54 | learnerAtWork | ~weather kapg |
| 19:07.55 | Chikorita | chikoritas forecast 4 maryland --->> hella crappy |
| 19:08.05 | patlabor221 | why crapy? |
| 19:08.14 | learnerAtWork | muggy today |
| 19:08.19 | patlabor221 | how hot? |
| 19:08.23 | Chikorita | itz muggy , grey , hott , humid , an icky sticky |
| 19:08.33 | Chikorita | hi pat :) |
| 19:08.37 | patlabor221 | hello |
| 19:08.39 | patlabor221 | how are you? |
| 19:08.49 | Chikorita | im ok |
| 19:08.51 | patlabor221 | are you saying hot is 70? |
| 19:09.01 | Chikorita | itz da humidty |
| 19:09.20 | Chikorita | factor in humidty an it feelz like 2 hunnid degrees F |
| 19:09.29 | patlabor221 | we call 70 and humid "rain" |
| 19:09.30 | Chikorita | 82%! |
| 19:09.37 | Chikorita | lol pat |
| 19:09.49 | Chikorita | u mus b in da desert place |
| 19:10.01 | learnerAtWork | kapg's temp was taken at night -- not too useful |
| 19:10.02 | patlabor221 | most of southern CA is |
| 19:11.12 | patlabor221 | it's nice here today |
| 19:11.14 | patlabor221 | only 80 |
| 19:12.00 | Chikorita | i like maryland tho |
| 19:12.18 | patlabor221 | it was nice last week wasn't it |
| 19:12.29 | learnerAtWork | indeed |
| 19:12.30 | patlabor221 | thankfully it hasn't been too nasty this summer |
| 19:12.38 | patlabor221 | last summer it was 110+ |
| 19:12.41 | Chikorita | blah |
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| 19:12.56 | captain_proton | i know i'm coz038 =) |
| 19:13.11 | Chikorita | itz alwayz clear skies on ducati ;) |
| 19:13.17 | patlabor221 | how does one find out what ones clostest code is? |
| 19:13.38 | learnerAtWork | ~weather ksan |
| 19:13.53 | Chikorita | http://www.nws.noaa.gov/tg/siteloc.shtml |
| 19:14.10 | learnerAtWork | most of the international airports use the same sign |
| 19:14.27 | learnerAtWork | http://www.ar-group.com/icaoiata.htm |
| 19:14.44 | patlabor221 | ~weather kcma |
| 19:14.57 | Chikorita | hmm |
| 19:15.10 | patlabor221 | that's like 20 min from here. |
| 19:15.43 | patlabor221 | clostest one in the vally is |
| 19:15.51 | patlabor221 | ~weather kvny |
| 19:15.58 | Chikorita | sounds nice there ...79 degree an only 58% humidity |
| 19:16.04 | patlabor221 | usualy hotter out there. |
| 19:16.24 | CIA | 03davidtrowbridge * 12pybzflag/TrackD (3 files): Directory /cvsroot/bzflag/pybzflag/TrackD added to the repository |
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| 19:16.28 | patlabor221 | tho we rarely go out to the vally as it's "icky" |
| 19:16.39 | Chikorita | hi teatreee |
| 19:16.58 | CIA | 03davidtrowbridge * 12pybzflag/TrackD (5 files): add bindings for VRCO's trackdAPI |
| 19:17.52 | patlabor221 | is is posible to encrypt a perl script so it can't be read, but still run? |
| 19:18.46 | learnerAtWork | what do you mean by encrypt.. |
| 19:18.52 | captain_proton | you can sort of do something like that with python ;-) |
| 19:21.12 | Chestal | patlabor: ehm, is it possible to not do so with perl? |
| 19:21.45 | scanline | hehe |
| 19:21.59 | learnerAtWork | http://jimworld.com/tools/perl-encrypt/ |
| 19:22.03 | scanline | patlabor221: I'm pretty sure there's a do-widget for packaging up byte-compiled perl and an interpreter into one binary |
| 19:24.09 | Chikorita | dats neet learner |
| 19:24.33 | Chikorita | obfuscator...heehe |
| 19:24.37 | Chikorita | bunge |
| 19:24.39 | Chikorita | :P |
| 19:24.43 | learnerAtWork | pat: perldoc perlfaq3 |
| 19:24.59 | CIA | 03davidtrowbridge * 12pybzflag/TrackD (README.trackd): tweak the wording |
| 19:25.19 | patlabor221 | I will tell him, tanks |
| 19:25.46 | captain_proton | learnerAtWork: perl isn't obfuscated enough already? |
| 19:26.05 | learnerAtWork | there's a section in the faq "How can I hide the source for my Perl program?" in there |
| 19:26.17 | patlabor221 | ok thanks |
| 19:26.25 | patlabor221 | it wasn't for me |
| 19:26.28 | patlabor221 | was for a guy at work |
| 19:26.33 | patlabor221 | he's researchin |
| 19:26.34 | learnerAtWork | cap: hehe, yea I don't quite see the point -- but ok |
| 19:27.01 | scanline | also rather silly to try to hide the source.. there are always disassemblers |
| 19:27.14 | patlabor221 | this is for silly windows people |
| 19:31.15 | Chikorita | time 4 sum pizza an soda ...bbl |
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| 19:59.00 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (7 files in 3 dirs): Not quite sure its output is correct yet, but it's a new frame rate counter, yay |
| 20:10.11 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (7 files in 2 dirs): Remove references to the old frame rate counter, stick the new one in ThreeDControl for now |
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| 20:28.51 | captain_proton | hi hoda |
| 20:29.22 | learnerAtWork | hoda hi |
| 20:29.35 | patlabor221 | hoda, sup? |
| 20:29.58 | hoda | nm |
| 20:30.09 | hoda | im trying to find a good free 3d editor |
| 20:30.15 | patlabor221 | blender |
| 20:30.16 | hoda | wings3d is really nice |
| 20:30.22 | hoda | nah i dont like it atall |
| 20:30.50 | hoda | blender is way to unique and poorly translated, the interface sucks for me |
| 20:31.01 | patlabor221 | whatcha modlin now? |
| 20:31.07 | hoda | is there a way to use a 3ds max cloned interface |
| 20:31.10 | hoda | nothing |
| 20:31.31 | hoda | im kinda burned out ATM |
| 20:31.49 | hoda | and like i said i need to find a free 3d editor |
| 20:32.01 | hoda | so i can do legitimate paying work |
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| 20:32.38 | hoda | theres a group called rarebyte that want me to do work for them on a space sim game |
| 20:33.02 | hoda | http://www.mercs.go.ro/ss.jpg - i think should be there |
| 20:33.11 | scanline | haha.. is this something you conned the Crystal Space folks into? :) |
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| 20:33.32 | hoda | i think theyre using CS |
| 20:34.05 | hoda | but many groups are profit oriented eitherway... so |
| 20:34.54 | scanline | Blender is really nice if you can take the time to learn the interface.. it has a few oddities but on the whole I think it's a really nice piece of software |
| 20:35.10 | hoda | no undo |
| 20:35.25 | hoda | mismanaged input |
| 20:35.35 | scanline | well, it sort of has undo.. but it's not nearly as good as it should be |
| 20:35.38 | scanline | what about mismanaged input? |
| 20:35.48 | hoda | wings3d is very fast polygonal mesh editor |
| 20:36.18 | hoda | with wings you can pick maya/LW/max/etc camera/interfaces |
| 20:36.35 | scanline | i've heard of it.. haven't tried it since I like Blender so much and it's all linux friendly and such |
| 20:36.55 | hoda | i think blender is great |
| 20:37.03 | hoda | but its way to slow and awkward |
| 20:37.09 | scanline | I'd rather use a modeler that has its own consistent interface than tries to copy as many commercial interfaces as possible |
| 20:37.18 | hoda | i need to be able to work like a script executing |
| 20:37.26 | hoda | yeah i need to buy 3ds max |
| 20:37.27 | scanline | what's slow about it? most of the reason the interface is so odd for newcomers is that it's been optimized for speed |
| 20:37.50 | hoda | i have my own way of acheiving efficient workflow |
| 20:38.12 | scanline | that's nice.. I'd just like to have some examples of why you think blender's UI is slow |
| 20:38.18 | hoda | i hear there making the interface alot more scriptable/modifiable |
| 20:38.33 | hoda | its awkward |
| 20:38.38 | scanline | well, it's already very scriptable.. it's just that the scripting isn't really documented and it keeps changing |
| 20:38.52 | scanline | got an example of something you think is awkward? |
| 20:38.54 | hoda | im not going to start it up, to check what i dont like... again |
| 20:39.12 | hoda | hold up trollomite |
| 20:39.21 | patlabor221 | I like to use a modeler with a good interface, and max is not a good interface. |
| 20:39.28 | scanline | heh |
| 20:39.45 | patlabor221 | the lightwave interface is well suited to my workflow |
| 20:39.48 | hoda | max is fastest |
| 20:39.49 | scanline | hoda: I just like to have an example of two of what's wrong with a product when someone starts slamming it in some way |
| 20:40.01 | patlabor221 | max is the most clutered |
| 20:40.02 | scanline | s/of two/or two/ |
| 20:40.04 | hoda | well i just tried to manipulate a scene in blender |
| 20:40.10 | hoda | a viewport |
| 20:40.28 | hoda | it disapeered when i hit mouse2 and cntrl |
| 20:40.43 | hoda | i cant get it to zoom back in |
| 20:40.53 | patlabor221 | so you just don't know how to use it |
| 20:40.57 | scanline | maybe you should actually learn the UI instead of just randomly clicking things |
| 20:41.13 | patlabor221 | for free modelers people rave about blender |
| 20:41.20 | hoda | it uses some crazy method for determingin zoom |
| 20:41.23 | scanline | it's very unconventional and hard to learn, but I've never heard a legitimate reason to call it slow |
| 20:41.24 | patlabor221 | for cheap modelers, milkshape is good |
| 20:41.39 | patlabor221 | but if you like your wingz one use that |
| 20:41.57 | hoda | yeah its a very fast poly editor |
| 20:42.04 | patlabor221 | so use it |
| 20:42.09 | hoda | duh |
| 20:42.12 | hoda | i do |
| 20:42.14 | patlabor221 | use what you like and what are good at |
| 20:42.28 | patlabor221 | so then what's the point of complaining about other modelers |
| 20:42.30 | hoda | thats intuitive, like wings3d |
| 20:42.37 | patlabor221 | I found it to be a toy modeler |
| 20:42.43 | patlabor221 | no real UV |
| 20:42.45 | hoda | he asked me to complain |
| 20:42.51 | hoda | repeatedly |
| 20:43.00 | patlabor221 | ohhh well scannlines just wierd :) |
| 20:43.18 | hoda | hes like "why does blender suck?" |
| 20:43.22 | patlabor221 | blender is very powerufl tho |
| 20:43.25 | hoda | i know |
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| 20:43.30 | patlabor221 | well you did not offer any explination |
| 20:43.38 | hoda | i just hate controlling viewport/objects/verts |
| 20:43.40 | scanline | hoda: you said it sucks, I asked for a reason. now I know the reason- you don't know how to use it |
| 20:44.00 | hoda | becuase theyre mouse and keyboard setup blows |
| 20:44.01 | patlabor221 | you don't like changing verts? thats what modelers do |
| 20:44.05 | captain_proton | patlabor221: truespace's new UV stuff is -damn cool- |
| 20:44.06 | patlabor221 | unless they are surface based |
| 20:44.08 | carpman{mayuka} | hoda: ... how do you expect to manipulate 3d objects without controling verts, etc? |
| 20:44.14 | patlabor221 | cap, so I have heard |
| 20:44.22 | hoda | yeah truespace has a free version |
| 20:44.30 | captain_proton | hoda: not really "free version" |
| 20:44.31 | patlabor221 | I want to look at it, as I have not found a UV mapper I am totaly happy withy |
| 20:44.34 | hoda | i just hate controlling viewport/objects/verts in blender |
| 20:44.37 | captain_proton | they have a somewhat crippled trial version |
| 20:44.48 | patlabor221 | tho I haven't worked with the new stuff in LW7 |
| 20:44.49 | carpman{mayuka} | hoda: it's almost exactly the same as every other modeler! |
| 20:45.24 | hoda | they need to make the interface more customisable, then i use happily, cus i know theyll be a 3ds max clone interface |
| 20:45.27 | scanline | hoda: like I said already a few times- the blender UI is hard to learn, but I've never heard a legitimate reason for it to be called slow to use |
| 20:45.27 | hoda | . |
| 20:45.37 | hoda | i think its wrong for me |
| 20:45.51 | scanline | hoda: then say that, rather than saying it's slow and it sucks |
| 20:46.03 | hoda | thats legitimate enough, alot of it is counter intuitive to the other apps and experience ive had |
| 20:46.23 | hoda | so i need to remember ANOTHER set of controls for an app |
| 20:47.03 | carpman{mayuka} | I don't think the blender UI is realy THAT hard, once you get used to it. It's designed for someone looking at the screen, not at the keyboard, while they manipulate the scene. |
| 20:47.24 | carpman{mayuka} | thats why keys are spaced out, etc |
| 20:47.31 | hoda | i could, but i really like the 3ds max interface alot |
| 20:47.34 | scanline | I've found it to be very quick and easy to use.. and so have most people I've talked to that actually know how to use it |
| 20:47.48 | scanline | but if it's not right for you, fine. just don't say it sucks because you don't know how to use it |
| 20:48.17 | hoda | well ive forced myself to do some work with it |
| 20:48.32 | hoda | like primitive stuff you use it for etc |
| 20:48.55 | carpman{mayuka} | they only thing in all of blender I don't like is shadows. I want shadows that render properly when cast on transparent textures. |
| 20:49.35 | scanline | i've found some other annoyances with it.. it needs proper undo, the scripting needs an overhaul (they're working on that now), the radiosity solver needs to handle small triangles properly |
| 20:49.49 | scanline | once the scripting is better the import/export situation should fix itself |
| 20:49.58 | hoda | undo is a great idea! |
| 20:50.06 | hoda | exporting to 3ds ios a great idea! |
| 20:50.22 | carpman{mayuka} | I'd rather an import from 3ds |
| 20:50.28 | scanline | hoda: it can already export to 3ds, it's just not as easy as it should be |
| 20:50.42 | hoda | IMPORTING FROM 3ds is a GREAT IDEA! |
| 20:50.47 | hoda | standalone? |
| 20:50.54 | hoda | is it another app? |
| 20:51.00 | scanline | hoda: it's a script you run in blender |
| 20:51.04 | hoda | ah |
| 20:53.22 | learnerAtWork | ibot: botsmack learner |
| 20:53.22 | | learnerAtWork: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 20:53.39 | learnerAtWork | ugh.. even ibot denies me ;( |
| 20:54.05 | JBDiGriz | learnerAtWork: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 20:55.25 | carpman{mayuka} | ibot: Hi ibot I haven't seen you in a long time, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. |
| 20:55.26 | | carpman{mayuka}: You are moron #3 |
| 20:55.29 | carpman{mayuka} | yay! |
| 20:56.15 | gonk{work} | ROFL |
| 20:56.40 | gonk{work} | ibot: can I pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease be moron #4? |
| 20:56.40 | | You are moron #4, gonk{work} |
| 20:56.55 | learnerAtWork | ibot: who is moron #1? |
| 20:56.56 | | learnerAtWork: what are you talking about? |
| 20:57.03 | learnerAtWork | *sigh* |
| 20:57.48 | hoda | ibot: moron #1 |
| 20:57.48 | | hoda: I give up, what is it? |
| 20:57.56 | hoda | ibot: moron #1 ? |
| 20:57.57 | | hoda: i don't know |
| 20:58.04 | learnerAtWork | ibot: you are moron #1 |
| 20:58.05 | | learnerAtWork: I think you lost me on that one |
| 20:58.27 | hoda | ibot: ibot is moron #1 |
| 20:58.27 | | hoda: cannot alter locked factoids |
| 20:58.28 | | hoda: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 20:58.41 | patlabor221 | again? |
| 20:58.47 | carpman{mayuka} | ibot: moron #1? |
| 20:58.47 | | It's you, hoda. |
| 20:59.01 | JBDiGriz | ~moron |
| 20:59.02 | | i guess moron is somone that types long lines starting with ibot ... |
| 20:59.09 | hoda | ibot: what manual would i need to read? |
| 20:59.09 | | hoda: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 20:59.27 | scanline | apparently the manual tells you what to read |
| 20:59.32 | patlabor221 | the mooron is he who says the longest line to ibot that it has no answer for |
| 20:59.36 | hoda | ibot: Your moron #1 |
| 20:59.37 | | hoda: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 21:00.02 | hoda | thats a generic response |
| 21:00.15 | gonk{work} | hoda: that should be "you're" |
| 21:00.15 | learnerAtWork | you're quick :) |
| 21:00.24 | patlabor221 | yes, cus it has no infobyte about it's basic functions |
| 21:00.28 | gonk{work} | hoda: you aren't making something ibot's |
| 21:00.45 | patlabor221 | how bout you ask it in a PM |
| 21:00.49 | learnerAtWork | ~fishslap learner |
| 21:00.50 | | ACTION slaps learner up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 21:00.52 | gonk{work} | you are making a contraction of you and are, thus the need for the ' in you're |
| 21:01.05 | gonk{work} | ~lart hoda |
| 21:01.17 | gonk{work} | now -that- is poetry |
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| 21:01.33 | patlabor221 | so hoda whave have you modeled since you were last here? |
| 21:01.40 | hoda | hundreds |
| 21:01.51 | patlabor221 | hundreds of whats? |
| 21:01.54 | hoda | 1000's of things i have created |
| 21:02.00 | patlabor221 | like? |
| 21:02.04 | hoda | sigh, box and crate models |
| 21:02.17 | carpman{mayuka} | hundreds != 1000's |
| 21:02.44 | gonk{work} | are they bigger than breadboxes? |
| 21:02.51 | hoda | no lkike textures actors monsters houses trees plants skins vehicles weapons armor ammo etc etc etc |
| 21:02.55 | carpman{mayuka} | gonk{work}: breadboxen |
| 21:03.04 | dheckaman_ | brb |
| 21:03.08 | patlabor221 | any examples? |
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| 21:03.17 | hoda | dunno probably |
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| 21:03.25 | hoda | what have you done? |
| 21:03.25 | carpman{mayuka} | ... |
| 21:03.31 | hoda | lately |
| 21:03.36 | david_v | anyone? |
| 21:03.43 | gonk{work} | carpman{mayuka}: sorry, breadboxen :) |
| 21:04.10 | david_v | ZoneAlarm blocks DHCP traffic... grrr! |
| 21:04.23 | patlabor221 | ohh not much, just a couple things |
| 21:04.42 | hoda | lets see |
| 21:04.51 | patlabor221 | http://www.bakadigital.com/hovytanky5.jpg |
| 21:04.58 | dheckaman_ | david_v: out going or incoming? |
| 21:05.08 | david_v | dheckaman_, outgoing, or both |
| 21:05.13 | hoda | pretty cool |
| 21:05.15 | dheckaman_ | wow |
| 21:05.18 | carpman{mayuka} | patlabor221: ooo, nice |
| 21:05.26 | dheckaman_ | how is one supposed to use the network without dhcp :) |
| 21:05.30 | patlabor221 | tho that's not the last one, let find the last version |
| 21:05.38 | david_v | dheckaman_, if i have the firewall on and my connection dies for a second, i'm all cut off |
| 21:05.42 | carpman{mayuka} | dheckaman_: you could statically assign yourself an address |
| 21:06.01 | hoda | http://www.mercs.go.ro/blimp.jpg |
| 21:06.03 | dheckaman_ | wow |
| 21:06.11 | tea|tree | ^^ |
| 21:06.13 | dheckaman_ | yea :) |
| 21:06.34 | patlabor221 | decent textures |
| 21:06.57 | patlabor221 | ahh, here is the new one, |
| 21:06.58 | patlabor221 | http://asgard.bakadigital.com/hovytanky/2/iso.jpg |
| 21:07.28 | hoda | http://www.mercs.go.ro/desk.jpg |
| 21:07.49 | patlabor221 | what ya model that in? |
| 21:07.57 | hoda | http://www.mercs.go.ro/rabbit.jpg |
| 21:08.52 | david_v | dheckaman_, any suggestions? :) |
| 21:09.11 | dheckaman_ | david_v: delete sonic wall and get a real firewall :) |
| 21:09.17 | dheckaman_ | er, whatever its called |
| 21:09.24 | david_v | dheckaman_, lol ZoneAlarm |
| 21:09.27 | dheckaman_ | zonealarm :) |
| 21:09.30 | david_v | dheckaman_, but i want a software solution :) |
| 21:09.31 | hoda | http://www.mercs.go.ro/ship.jpg |
| 21:09.42 | dheckaman_ | download ipcop |
| 21:09.47 | david_v | uhh... for WIndows? |
| 21:09.53 | carpman{mayuka} | the nadesico? |
| 21:09.58 | hoda | yes |
| 21:10.14 | carpman{mayuka} | not bad. A little round |
| 21:10.32 | hoda | yeah i had 2 pics of it |
| 21:10.44 | hoda | i dont like the top |
| 21:10.59 | hoda | im going to redo the mesh |
| 21:11.17 | hoda | that render is a bit old |
| 21:12.03 | patlabor221 | how many tris? |
| 21:12.22 | hoda | like the ship? |
| 21:12.26 | patlabor221 | yes |
| 21:12.28 | hoda | 1400 |
| 21:12.28 | david_v | dheckaman_, hello? :) |
| 21:12.39 | hoda | with change |
| 21:12.57 | patlabor221 | You should do an Aestevalis |
| 21:13.07 | hoda | i coulda done better, but i didnt have enough reference material... |
| 21:13.22 | dheckaman_ | david_v erk, my dsl dropped, must have lost that message :) |
| 21:13.28 | david_v | dheckaman_, hmmm ;) |
| 21:13.30 | scanline | hoda: the lighting in that desk scene needs help.. the shadows shouldn't be completely dark like that |
| 21:13.37 | hoda | im looking forward to having the rop mesh looking good then itll be sweet |
| 21:13.42 | hoda | yeah |
| 21:13.47 | dheckaman_ | download ipcop and um... get a 486 |
| 21:13.47 | hoda | experiments with radiosity |
| 21:13.51 | david_v | dheckaman_, i need a Windows app..... |
| 21:13.55 | david_v | dheckaman_, 486? lol |
| 21:14.01 | hoda | 386! |
| 21:14.05 | david_v | :) |
| 21:14.07 | carpman{mayuka} | I should put some of my renders up. |
| 21:14.12 | david_v | thing is i can't spare this computer for firewalling only |
| 21:14.20 | david_v | i need to run Windows on it |
| 21:14.25 | carpman{mayuka} | like the iron gutert field that crashed blender :) |
| 21:14.39 | carpman{mayuka} | s/gutert/gurter |
| 21:14.48 | david_v | dheckaman_, even if i don't want to :) |
| 21:14.48 | hoda | girder? |
| 21:15.02 | carpman{mayuka} | yeah, whatever. I-beams :) |
| 21:15.19 | scanline | http://navi.picogui.org/svn/misc/trunk/blender/characters/kirby_walking.png |
| 21:15.33 | hoda | kirby huh? |
| 21:15.52 | patlabor221 | Kriby r0X0rz!! |
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| 21:16.07 | [dmp] | hello david_v. Kinda wondered what happend to you :) |
| 21:16.09 | David_ | arghhh! |
| 21:16.11 | David_ | ZoneAlarm is making me go nuts |
| 21:16.16 | hoda | umm kirby is, ...ok... |
| 21:16.20 | david_v | *#!@ ZoneAlarm |
| 21:16.29 | hoda | if your in pre-school |
| 21:16.33 | patlabor221 | don't use zonealarm, it sucks |
| 21:16.35 | david_v | better download another one quickly |
| 21:16.39 | david_v | patlabor221, i know, but what can i do |
| 21:16.40 | carpman{mayuka} | kirby is fun for all ages! |
| 21:16.44 | patlabor221 | hoda, don't knock it till you played it |
| 21:16.53 | david_v | patlabor221, that's why i asked for alternatives you know :) |
| 21:17.00 | david_v | [dmp], grr :) |
| 21:17.00 | patlabor221 | david, get a router with a hardware firewall :) |
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| 21:17.19 | david_v | patlabor221, can you please drop that topic and suggest some software solution. i am not a money tree :) |
| 21:17.35 | captain_proton | hardware firewalls are not great either |
| 21:17.42 | david_v | captain_proton, no |
| 21:17.51 | patlabor221 | but zonealarm is horible |
| 21:17.55 | david_v | patlabor221, nevertheless i don't want one |
| 21:17.57 | carpman{mayuka} | linksys router firewall with 802.11 - $28 at frys |
| 21:18.00 | david_v | yes ZoneAlarm IS horrible |
| 21:18.03 | david_v | but i know no alternatives |
| 21:18.04 | patlabor221 | and it costs like 80$ dosn't it? |
| 21:18.06 | david_v | that are good |
| 21:18.12 | scanline | david_v: iptables |
| 21:18.17 | [dmp] | hehe |
| 21:18.18 | david_v | scanline, em, Windows |
| 21:18.21 | scanline | bah |
| 21:18.27 | patlabor221 | what do you need to firewall? |
| 21:18.30 | david_v | nobody seems to understand me |
| 21:18.30 | carpman{mayuka} | windows is t3h suck. |
| 21:18.30 | scanline | run windows inside vmware, use iptables :) |
| 21:18.40 | david_v | patlabor221, protect me, what else. i don't like a thousand holes |
| 21:18.50 | dheckaman_ | XP has a built in firewall |
| 21:18.55 | david_v | i don't trust it |
| 21:19.01 | carpman{mayuka} | david_v: nevertheless, you run windows :) |
| 21:19.03 | david_v | besides it's not configurable at all (almost) |
| 21:19.09 | scanline | david_v: unless you have something wrong with your windows networking setup there isn't really much you can do to a windows machine over TCP/IP |
| 21:19.10 | hoda | i hear the xp firewall is practicly useless |
| 21:19.11 | david_v | carpman{mayuka}, only temporarily :) |
| 21:19.11 | patlabor221 | and you trust zonealarm? |
| 21:19.24 | david_v | patlabor221, NO, i'm trying to tell you folks... nobody listens :) |
| 21:19.39 | hoda | black ice |
| 21:19.40 | patlabor221 | well we just use difrent solutions, and YOU don't like them. |
| 21:19.42 | carpman{mayuka} | david_v: zonealarm, whats up with that? |
| 21:19.49 | david_v | blocks DHCP traffic for one |
| 21:19.50 | hoda | use black ice |
| 21:19.58 | dheckaman_ | even worse |
| 21:19.59 | david_v | hoda, let me check that |
| 21:20.01 | david_v | why? |
| 21:20.18 | hoda | black ice is great for blocking Dos and scans |
| 21:20.20 | david_v | the only "decent" firewall i found was "Kerio Personal Firewall". it works, but i don't trust it either |
| 21:20.30 | carpman{mayuka} | trust, trust how? |
| 21:20.46 | david_v | i don't trust it in the way i think it might have bugs /leaks |
| 21:20.51 | scanline | david_v: why are you blocking DHCP traffic? |
| 21:20.54 | david_v | i noticed some before in a fork of that firewall |
| 21:21.01 | david_v | scanline, the *firewall* is... :) |
| 21:21.01 | carpman{mayuka} | any more than zonealarm? |
| 21:21.05 | scanline | heh |
| 21:21.11 | david_v | carpman{mayuka}, what? |
| 21:21.24 | carpman{mayuka} | are there any more bugs, or is it any worse than zonealarm |
| 21:21.40 | scanline | this whole 'personal firewall' thing is just an excuse to not have a properly set up set of daemons running |
| 21:21.42 | dheckaman_ | just enable dhcp traffice? |
| 21:21.46 | david_v | i don't know, i found the bugs in Sygate Personal Firewall i think |
| 21:21.50 | david_v | dheckaman_, no..... |
| 21:22.11 | david_v | dheckaman_, i might have the wrong address to the DHCP server, but that doesn't help me right now. i think it's a bug anyway |
| 21:22.18 | patlabor221 | well I think most people here use routers or linux, so perhaps there may be beter sugestions elsewhere |
| 21:22.38 | david_v | why do all people use Linux as soon as i get to Windows? some kind of conspiracy? :) |
| 21:22.59 | Bagheera | personally, I use netgear firewall with Norton Firewall |
| 21:23.01 | patlabor221 | your OS is your choice |
| 21:23.09 | david_v | hehe |
| 21:23.18 | david_v | i use Windows temporarily, and only because i have to |
| 21:23.20 | hoda | hey i dont judge |
| 21:23.31 | david_v | for developing that Windows app... if i ever get it completed |
| 21:23.38 | hoda | OKAY okay |
| 21:23.43 | david_v | hehe |
| 21:23.44 | patlabor221 | tht's why I use a comptuer for each |
| 21:23.47 | Bagheera | whats your budget |
| 21:23.52 | david_v | patlabor221, i would if i had money :( |
| 21:23.57 | david_v | budget? |
| 21:24.01 | patlabor221 | or dual boot |
| 21:24.02 | david_v | what's that? :) |
| 21:24.08 | david_v | patlabor221, i have a dual boot yes |
| 21:24.10 | hoda | i think most of us have a stack of cpu here |
| 21:24.15 | Bagheera | are you looking for freeware or looking to buy |
| 21:24.20 | david_v | freeware |
| 21:24.31 | patlabor221 | zonealarm is free? |
| 21:24.35 | david_v | i don't feel for buying Windows apps :) |
| 21:24.39 | Bagheera | the trial version |
| 21:24.40 | david_v | ZoneAlarm is free and commercial |
| 21:24.45 | david_v | no there's a free version too |
| 21:24.54 | david_v | but it is verrrry limited |
| 21:25.06 | Bagheera | yep...... |
| 21:25.30 | david_v | i know a guy who tried the commercial one though. he didn't like it |
| 21:25.35 | david_v | possibly sucks more than the free version :) |
| 21:25.36 | Bagheera | i have a busted linksys firewall here.......power surge, how good are you with a soldering iron |
| 21:25.50 | hoda | man |
| 21:26.02 | david_v | Bagheera, hmmm hehe :) |
| 21:26.02 | hoda | a fuse is like .05$ |
| 21:26.09 | david_v | i'm not that desperate |
| 21:26.29 | david_v | brb need to... sigh... reboot, to get this firewall up |
| 21:26.34 | Bagheera | norton sucks as well, really eats the cpu |
| 21:26.35 | hoda | youd think they cuold integrate a replacable cheap fuse |
| 21:27.08 | hoda | instead pcs gotta explode |
| 21:27.31 | patlabor221 | they have fuses |
| 21:27.33 | Bagheera | it powers up, just wont connect to the internet |
| 21:27.46 | patlabor221 | you watch too many bad sci-fi channel movies hoda. |
| 21:28.00 | hoda | LOL @ pat |
| 21:28.29 | hoda | your right, but i have everything connected to surge protectors |
| 21:28.49 | hoda | so call me crazeh, but nothing explodes randomly |
| 21:28.52 | patlabor221 | power supplys have fuses too |
| 21:28.55 | hoda | yes |
| 21:29.08 | Bagheera | so did i, lost imoga zipcd, jazz drive, firewall, mouse |
| 21:29.11 | hoda | i have a dismantled PS right here |
| 21:29.28 | patlabor221 | nice flip/flop |
| 21:29.50 | hoda | flaps/slaps wot the dif |
| 21:33.15 | *** join/#bzflag david_v (~david_v@c213-200-135-241.cm-upc.chello.se) |
| 21:35.05 | david_v | well, well, i will have to use Windows for almost two weeks. i feel the headache coming already :) |
| 21:35.50 | patlabor221 | build your windows apps on linux with winelib |
| 21:36.11 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (7 files in 4 dirs): Add a ContinuousTimer class, set the default target frame rate to None |
| 21:36.34 | david_v | i could most likely do the Windows development on Linux, but right now i've decided to stick with the "easy" (and annoying) way out |
| 21:37.01 | patlabor221 | what are you making? |
| 21:37.28 | david_v | the "game" i mentioned before in all the speed, i'm not sure how far i'll get. OpenGL based |
| 21:37.48 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI (Instrument.py): There's no way we need two digits past the decimal point to represent frame rates |
| 21:38.00 | patlabor221 | why not use SDL then you don't have to really wory about platform |
| 21:38.11 | david_v | the major advantage is probably to get me up and running with developing. i am too rusty to get into too much |
| 21:38.36 | david_v | yes i know, but i can't afford that right now, even if it might be a pain later |
| 21:38.45 | patlabor221 | afford? |
| 21:38.48 | patlabor221 | SDL is free |
| 21:38.54 | david_v | timewise |
| 21:39.04 | patlabor221 | SDL is easyer then regular win32 |
| 21:39.05 | patlabor221 | by fart |
| 21:39.10 | patlabor221 | by far even :) |
| 21:39.12 | david_v | hehe |
| 21:39.50 | patlabor221 | binding a GL context to a window in regular win32 calls is kinda a pain. |
| 21:40.03 | patlabor221 | SDL does it in 2 calls |
| 21:40.07 | david_v | oh but i just copied that code from nehe.gamedev.net |
| 21:40.10 | patlabor221 | and gives you good input handeling |
| 21:40.25 | patlabor221 | so coppy the SDL code from one of the SDL ports |
| 21:40.36 | patlabor221 | trust me I have done both, SDL is way easyer |
| 21:40.44 | david_v | yes of course it's easier |
| 21:40.45 | patlabor221 | for more then just the window setup |
| 21:40.52 | david_v | it's hard to explain my decision :) |
| 21:41.10 | patlabor221 | what are you gonna use for input? and sound? |
| 21:41.40 | patlabor221 | staight directX? |
| 21:41.48 | david_v | directx... no way |
| 21:41.53 | patlabor221 | then what? |
| 21:42.16 | patlabor221 | win32 dosn't have an abstrated input method |
| 21:42.20 | david_v | input will probably not be an issue. most of the controlling will be done via mouse. keyboard is not a problem |
| 21:42.25 | david_v | sound should be OpenAL |
| 21:42.44 | david_v | but i might not even get that far |
| 21:42.49 | patlabor221 | so your gonna process windows messages and deal with the mouse lag? |
| 21:43.08 | patlabor221 | my point is, your taking the hard route, it's like you don't want to get anywhere |
| 21:43.11 | david_v | is it that bad? the app will be lightweight, so to speak |
| 21:43.21 | patlabor221 | SDL is small |
| 21:43.29 | patlabor221 | and dynamicly linked |
| 21:43.35 | patlabor221 | but hey have at it. |
| 21:44.07 | patlabor221 | if you want you can use the win32 version of LGE that bzedit uses, it will bind a GL context to a window |
| 21:44.11 | patlabor221 | dosn't use SDL |
| 21:44.21 | david_v | well, if i wouldn't have the pressure i would go for SDL directly. now i feel i would just confuse myself if i tried to go elsewhere |
| 21:44.24 | patlabor221 | and does some camera setup |
| 21:44.35 | david_v | LGE? |
| 21:44.49 | patlabor221 | Little Gl Engine |
| 21:44.56 | patlabor221 | does gl window setup |
| 21:44.56 | david_v | hm |
| 21:45.00 | patlabor221 | sets GL modes and stuff |
| 21:45.03 | patlabor221 | there are 2 versions |
| 21:45.11 | patlabor221 | a Win32 version and an SDL version |
| 21:45.15 | david_v | right but i don't have much need for it anyway i think |
| 21:45.39 | patlabor221 | just offering it |
| 21:45.50 | david_v | :) |
| 21:45.58 | patlabor221 | basicly it wraps up all that common stuff your copying from the tutorials in a nice API |
| 21:46.22 | david_v | i don't dislike SDL or the use of another cross-platform tool, i just want to get on with the non-graphics coding |
| 21:46.28 | patlabor221 | and it has a texture manager to lead texture |
| 21:46.44 | david_v | hmm |
| 21:46.54 | patlabor221 | GL won't read files to load textures |
| 21:47.09 | david_v | well, i solved that problem already though by using the tutorials |
| 21:48.18 | patlabor221 | one of the easyest ones to shove in there. |
| 21:48.23 | david_v | sure |
| 21:48.29 | david_v | but i don't mind |
| 21:48.35 | david_v | this program will be rather bloated anyway :) |
| 21:49.06 | david_v | my university studies start August 18, so |
| 21:49.07 | patlabor221 | just seems like your punishing yourslef? did you do something wrong? |
| 21:49.16 | david_v | punishing no |
| 21:49.20 | hoda | what game are you making? |
| 21:49.27 | [dmp] | It figures; he is swedish :) |
| 21:49.49 | [dmp] | urgh |
| 21:50.17 | patlabor221 | just you seem to be complaining about everything your doing :) |
| 21:50.38 | david_v | hoda, well, if it gets done, a 2D game of some sort... you'll see (maybe) :) |
| 21:50.49 | david_v | patlabor221, that was the firewall :) |
| 21:51.29 | patlabor221 | well and window |
| 21:51.39 | david_v | of course :) |
| 21:52.19 | david_v | now that you say it, didn't know about winelib. i don't even have diskspace to install those things though... doh |
| 21:52.30 | david_v | need a serious rearrangement on my drive |
| 21:52.41 | patlabor221 | this is why I sugest SDL, it's small |
| 21:52.45 | patlabor221 | and probably allready in there |
| 21:53.10 | *** join/#bzflag KTL (~KTL@scotty.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be) |
| 21:53.12 | david_v | heh |
| 21:53.21 | *** join/#bzflag KTL_ (~KTL@scotty.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be) |
| 21:53.28 | patlabor221 | for basic stuff it's a very simple API |
| 21:54.10 | scanline | pretty much all of SDL is simple, since it relies on other libraries for the more complex things |
| 21:54.16 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 21:54.26 | patlabor221 | it's one of those "Baseline" APis |
| 21:54.57 | patlabor221 | your point didn't ever seem to make sense. |
| 21:55.06 | david_v | nope heh |
| 21:55.13 | patlabor221 | unless there is more that you aren't telling us |
| 21:55.22 | scanline | david_v: what was your point? you'd rather complain about having to use windows than take the 15 minutes to port your stuff to something cross-platform? |
| 21:55.27 | david_v | don't think so, just my stubborness :) |
| 21:56.02 | patlabor221 | just take the 10 min it takes to look at one of the SDL ported tutorials and see how easy it is. |
| 21:56.09 | david_v | personally i get the feeling it'll take much more than 15 minutes and quite some annoyance. now that i got the thing to work, i don't want to start from scratch again |
| 21:56.18 | david_v | even if it goes rather fast |
| 21:56.34 | patlabor221 | thats why I say look at one of the ported tutorials to see the difs |
| 21:56.38 | david_v | i'm not expecting this to make sense though :) |
| 21:56.55 | patlabor221 | then have at it, but then it seems silly to complain here then :) |
| 21:57.27 | patlabor221 | wait a farkin min. did "I" just argur FOR cross platformness? |
| 21:57.46 | david_v | you've been doing that for quite a while... :) |
| 21:57.47 | JBDiGriz | patlabor221: Yes, and we have it on tape. |
| 21:57.53 | david_v | and you did that before too |
| 21:57.55 | david_v | hehe |
| 21:57.55 | patlabor221 | shit |
| 21:58.09 | JBDiGriz | Did you want to buy it back? ;{) |
| 21:58.14 | patlabor221 | must be time for more treatments then |
| 21:58.17 | david_v | yea how much do we get ? ;) |
| 21:58.23 | david_v | moneywise? :) |
| 21:58.26 | scanline | patlabor221: you just want to make sure all the cool apps linux users write will work on your OS of choice ;) |
| 21:58.26 | patlabor221 | naw, I'll just EMP SD |
| 21:58.40 | david_v | lol scanline |
| 21:58.41 | JBDiGriz | david_v: You're too limited in your imagination! :) |
| 21:58.48 | patlabor221 | well I have both OSs running now on decent hardware. |
| 21:58.50 | david_v | JBDiGriz, good point lol |
| 21:59.59 | JBDiGriz | patlabor221: I'll back it up to CD tonight! ;-) |
| 22:00.07 | david_v | hehe |
| 22:00.16 | david_v | i downloaded vim for Windows earlier today |
| 22:00.54 | JBDiGriz | That earlier discussion about UI sounded like vi vs. emacs to me :{) |
| 22:01.10 | david_v | vi! :) |
| 22:01.12 | david_v | or vim |
| 22:01.34 | learnerAtWork | emacs! |
| 22:01.37 | JBDiGriz | Unless you can use ed fluently, don't even start! ;{) |
| 22:01.39 | patlabor221 | I've been trying pico for simple stuff, but it wont' wrord wrap :( |
| 22:01.46 | learnerAtWork | cat! |
| 22:02.07 | david_v | why not dd? :) |
| 22:02.12 | JBDiGriz | I |
| 22:02.14 | KTL_ | warning warning emacs-user dedected:-) |
| 22:02.17 | david_v | hehe |
| 22:02.21 | bryjen | 2d or not 2d |
| 22:02.25 | JBDiGriz | I've done it before! |
| 22:02.44 | JBDiGriz | ~dict dedected |
| 22:02.51 | david_v | detected it is |
| 22:03.11 | JBDiGriz | Are you sure, he might have meant deducted. Are you there, learnerAtWork? |
| 22:03.30 | JBDiGriz | How's your dect doing? |
| 22:03.47 | learnerAtWork | could be better |
| 22:03.52 | learnerAtWork | needs a coat of primer |
| 22:04.17 | JBDiGriz | That should keep it from getting wet. |
| 22:04.37 | dheckaman_ | brb |
| 22:05.01 | KTL_ | after an extensive search: dict detected |
| 22:05.23 | JBDiGriz | Good, otherwise we report you to the IRS! |
| 22:08.08 | JBDiGriz | Binary Source Distributions? Is there an oxymoron in there somewhere? |
| 22:09.24 | JBDiGriz | Don't sprain your brain. |
| 22:10.40 | dheckaman_ | punchcards |
| 22:10.58 | JBDiGriz | ~pi |
| 22:10.58 | | pi is, like, 3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375105820974944592307816406286208998628034825342117067982148086513282306647093844609550582231725359408128481117450284102701938521105559644622948954930381964428810975665933446128475648233786783165271201909145648566923460348610454326648213393607260249141273724587006606315588174881520920962829254091 |
| 22:11.05 | dheckaman_ | ouch |
| 22:11.13 | david_v | i thought i'd know more decimals out of my head, but i guess not :) |
| 22:11.47 | bryjen | and its just, like, like that |
| 22:12.20 | patlabor221 | no, pie |
| 22:12.30 | patlabor221 | you know that hole, you put pie in? |
| 22:12.43 | david_v | hehe |
| 22:12.52 | JBDiGriz | I'm never sure when it's you typing, pat. |
| 22:12.55 | david_v | pie is probably pi x e |
| 22:13.06 | learnerAtWork | ~e |
| 22:13.06 | | [e] a little more than 2, but less than 3 or portuguese for and |
| 22:13.07 | patlabor221 | ~ban_everyone |
| 22:13.17 | david_v | hehe |
| 22:13.29 | bryjen | hmmm |
| 22:13.34 | david_v | e is about 2.718281828 :) |
| 22:13.37 | KTL_ | ~e |
| 22:13.38 | | i heard e is a little more than 2, but less than 3 or portuguese for and |
| 22:13.50 | bryjen | ~ban_patlabor221 |
| 22:14.00 | KTL_ | ~help |
| 22:14.11 | learnerAtWork | pat: why didn't ibot respond?? |
| 22:14.17 | learnerAtWork | to you -- that is |
| 22:14.18 | captain_proton | ibot: ban_patlabor221 is <action>sets mode +b patlabor221*!*@* |
| 22:14.19 | | captain_proton: okay |
| 22:14.19 | david_v | 2,7182818284590452353602874713527 |
| 22:14.20 | patlabor221 | cus it's in the process of making th ban list |
| 22:14.25 | KTL_ | the help is private |
| 22:14.27 | captain_proton | ~ban_patlabor221 |
| 22:14.28 | | ACTION sets mode +b patlabor221*!*@* |
| 22:14.30 | captain_proton | there ya go |
| 22:14.34 | bryjen | ooooo, cap |
| 22:14.35 | patlabor221 | heh |
| 22:14.41 | dheckaman_ | lol |
| 22:14.43 | learnerAtWork | lol |
| 22:15.27 | bryjen | would ~ban_everyone not get ibot too ? ;) |
| 22:15.41 | KTL_ | KTL likes the autorejoin option from his client |
| 22:15.49 | patlabor221 | it's the domsday command |
| 22:15.56 | patlabor221 | that only works on kicks KTL |
| 22:16.07 | david_v | autounban? :) |
| 22:16.18 | patlabor221 | akick is realy autoban |
| 22:16.22 | bryjen | hmm summoa |
| 22:16.24 | JBDiGriz | domsday is when they put a big dome on top of the polar ice cap. |
| 22:16.26 | david_v | /set autohackintoircserverandunban 1 |
| 22:16.44 | bryjen | ~nuke everyone |
| 22:16.45 | | nukes everyone with a single large nuke |
| 22:16.53 | bryjen | HAR |
| 22:17.03 | JBDiGriz | Glad I backed up that tape to CD! |
| 22:17.08 | david_v | i got a scar in my left eye now |
| 22:17.19 | patlabor221 | now don't blame that on windows |
| 22:17.23 | KTL_ | i'm gonna kill that bot: |
| 22:17.25 | KTL_ | <KTL_> ~help spell |
| 22:17.25 | KTL_ | <ibot> are you using Windows? |
| 22:17.25 | KTL_ | <KTL_> no |
| 22:17.25 | KTL_ | <ibot> YES |
| 22:17.25 | KTL_ | <KTL_> NO |
| 22:17.25 | KTL_ | <ibot> YES |
| 22:17.28 | KTL_ | <KTL_> NOOO |
| 22:17.37 | david_v | uhh :) |
| 22:17.53 | david_v | patlabor221, why not? :) i wouldn't be here if it wasn't for Windows ;) |
| 22:18.01 | learnerAtWork | ~ispell ktl |
| 22:18.03 | | possible spellings for ktl: Tl kl kt TTL kilt Karl Kyla Kyle kyle |
| 22:18.11 | JBDiGriz | Does that mean you're related to Bill Gates? |
| 22:18.23 | KTL_ | Kyla Cole:-) |
| 22:18.23 | david_v | sure, i'm Ballmer himself |
| 22:18.34 | david_v | sometimes i think i'm Bill though |
| 22:18.37 | JBDiGriz | That explains so much! |
| 22:18.43 | david_v | yep |
| 22:18.53 | learnerAtWork | as long as you don't think you're kyla.. |
| 22:19.01 | patlabor221 | you gonna jump around like a sweaty monkey? |
| 22:19.17 | david_v | today again? hey, with my weight it takes a lot of effort |
| 22:19.18 | JBDiGriz | Always mount a scratch monkey |
| 22:19.23 | bryjen | schwetty |
| 22:19.35 | david_v | i like the Developers song better |
| 22:20.50 | david_v | too bad Bill never does anything of that. but he's the king of BSODs though |
| 22:21.14 | KTL_ | ~ispell ktl |
| 22:21.15 | | possible spellings for ktl: Tl kl kt TTL kilt Karl Kyla Kyle kyle |
| 22:21.50 | KTL_ | strange, why doesn't he understand it if i ask it directly ? |
| 22:21.59 | KTL_ | <ibot> I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 22:22.14 | david_v | hm |
| 22:22.21 | learnerAtWork | yes it does |
| 22:22.28 | learnerAtWork | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:22.29 | bryjen | don't put the ~ in a direct message |
| 22:22.36 | david_v | yeah |
| 22:22.38 | KTL_ | oeps |
| 22:22.48 | KTL_ | :-) |
| 22:22.58 | bryjen | the tilde is just to get its attention in the channel |
| 22:23.06 | JBDiGriz | I think you need the < before your smiley! |
| 22:23.14 | KTL_ | <:-) |
| 22:23.14 | learnerAtWork | ibot: ispell ispell |
| 22:23.19 | | 'ispell' may be spelled correctly |
| 22:23.19 | patlabor221 | oo cool, they updated the mac FMOD to be all carbon and stuff :) |
| 22:23.39 | KTL_ | <:-) devil |
| 22:23.52 | KTL_ | >:-) devil |
| 22:24.12 | JBDiGriz | The first is a dunce cap, the second is a devil. |
| 22:24.23 | KTL_ | ok my brain is segfaulting because it's extremely hot, i go sleep bye |
| 22:24.49 | JBDiGriz | ~weather k2sl |
| 22:25.17 | bryjen | ~weather kowb |
| 22:26.35 | bryjen | ~weather kevv |
| 22:27.24 | JBDiGriz | ~weather k2l7 |
| 22:27.38 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI (Instrument.py): Use wallclock time rather than game time to measure the frame rate |
| 22:27.39 | JBDiGriz | ~weather ksan |
| 22:28.23 | JBDiGriz | k2l7 should be Solana Beach. |
| 22:32.29 | bryjen | hashmark |
| 22:32.39 | bryjen | oops |
| 22:32.42 | bryjen | ~hashmark |
| 22:33.26 | bryjen | So many Administrators@ |
| 22:33.47 | learnerAtWork | ~quol |
| 22:33.52 | JBDiGriz | So many targets of opportunity! |
| 22:34.41 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Store non-default font sizes in GLText too |
| 22:43.51 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI (2 files): Enable HUD.Text's spiffy little drop shadow in FrameRate |
| 22:46.37 | bryjen | a not-so-quick pass thru the player directory at s.b.o has Administrator@ outnumbering root@ 63 to 16 |
| 22:47.08 | *** join/#bzflag hoda (hoda@12-221-176-131.client.insightBB.com) |
| 22:47.10 | JBDiGriz | More clueless windows admins than clueless unix admins? |
| 22:47.33 | hoda | if you cant use windows you have issues |
| 22:47.40 | hoda | with technology |
| 22:47.44 | patlabor221 | it's the default user for 2k and XP |
| 22:48.13 | patlabor221 | and it dosn't open anything up, it's not like the admin on most machines has any more permisions then another user |
| 22:48.17 | bryjen | but then there's WinXP creating admin-privledged accounts using the name you entered during setup for "Who is this registered to" |
| 22:48.34 | patlabor221 | yeah but the other option is "guest" so everyon has admin perms |
| 22:48.47 | patlabor221 | people just hit cancel on the new user part of the install |
| 22:49.20 | patlabor221 | unless they are on a domain, there is no dif between admin and reular user, and if you are the only one on the system, you never log in |
| 22:49.24 | bryjen | hehe, Windows belongs to Bill, so you are a powerless guest in your own PC ;) |
| 22:49.43 | patlabor221 | no, your user account with your name just has admin permisions |
| 22:49.48 | patlabor221 | unless you are on a domin |
| 22:49.50 | hoda | bill is kinda a jerk |
| 22:50.11 | patlabor221 | you ever meet him hoda? |
| 22:50.15 | hoda | with his abuse of green paper |
| 22:50.33 | bryjen | look again, patlabor221. I think you missed my microscopic <joke> tags |
| 22:50.52 | hoda | nah i like linux and mac enough to think he shouldnt be cloning them commercially |
| 22:50.59 | patlabor221 | ohh sorry I run plaintext, don't do that HTMLmail thing :) |
| 22:51.00 | bryjen | for a microscopic joke :) |
| 22:51.56 | patlabor221 | but it's OK for apple to make a comercail GUI? |
| 22:52.11 | hoda | dircetGL! |
| 22:52.11 | patlabor221 | considering they got it from zerox |
| 22:52.34 | patlabor221 | that's called fernehight |
| 22:52.37 | JBDiGriz | They got the ideas from Xerox, and went and made it commercially viable. |
| 22:52.49 | JBDiGriz | Are you claiming thats what M$ did? |
| 22:52.49 | patlabor221 | that they did |
| 22:53.16 | patlabor221 | MS made a product that was similar to another just on a difrent platform, sounds a lot like what apple did. |
| 22:53.19 | hoda | the only thing you can convicne about bill gates is that hes rich |
| 22:53.36 | patlabor221 | so he is sucsessfull, is that not the american dream? |
| 22:54.07 | patlabor221 | and linux now costs $699 a procesor :) |
| 22:54.13 | hoda | thats almost saying he monopolised OS market |
| 22:54.15 | JBDiGriz | M$ licensed the code from Apple for Windows 1 and 2. Maybe I'm missing a bit of where he did all the work separately. |
| 22:54.54 | patlabor221 | bill didn't do any of the work himself at that point anyway |
| 22:54.59 | patlabor221 | then it was biz |
| 22:55.05 | hoda | billy |
| 22:55.17 | hoda | little billy as i call him |
| 22:55.28 | patlabor221 | hoda, please just shut up. |
| 22:55.43 | hoda | :P |
| 22:55.51 | captain_proton | hoda: just remember that he could pave your house if he really wanted |
| 22:56.02 | hoda | wow now im impressed |
| 22:56.03 | captain_proton | your entire state...one big parking lot |
| 22:56.12 | hoda | wow |
| 22:56.21 | captain_proton | you see, the thing is |
| 22:56.24 | bryjen | scanline: toss one this way |
| 22:56.26 | hoda | a parking lot, he must be filthy rich |
| 22:56.26 | captain_proton | while you spend your time being stupid |
| 22:56.30 | captain_proton | he spends his time making money |
| 22:56.31 | JBDiGriz | I think that's the point, I'm unclear when Bill did any of the work. I can't fault his business acumen. |
| 22:56.35 | scanline | bryjen: here ya are |
| 22:56.49 | hoda | monopolising the OS industry |
| 22:56.59 | scanline | now, we have to move in slowly to catch him off guard... |
| 22:57.05 | scanline | steady.... |
| 22:57.07 | scanline | GET HIM! |
| 22:57.07 | patlabor221 | treu jbd, I'm sure they pulled all they could from wherevever they could. and in a biz sense it worked, and worked very very well |
| 22:57.24 | JBDiGriz | There's nothing wrong with a monopoly, unless you use it to muscle into a different market. |
| 22:57.35 | hoda | dude i dont think you could "get me" |
| 22:58.00 | hoda | without having holes put into your frail/grotesquely fat body |
| 22:58.01 | bryjen | i dont think anyone "gets" him |
| 22:58.08 | captain_proton | bryjen: =) |
| 22:58.14 | scanline | hehe |
| 22:58.17 | JBDiGriz | Never challenge the people with admin privileges! |
| 22:58.39 | hoda | never challenge the bzflag aristocracy |
| 22:58.44 | *** mode/#bzflag [+b *!*@12-221-176-131.client.insightBB.com] by patlabor221 |
| 22:58.50 | *** kick/#bzflag [hoda!~jeffm@208.48.199.214] by patlabor221 (No don't) |
| 22:58.53 | bryjen | KFJ ? |
| 22:59.06 | captain_proton | KFJ! |
| 22:59.09 | bryjen | like KFC ? |
| 22:59.18 | captain_proton | no |
| 22:59.25 | bryjen | i really hoped not |
| 22:59.33 | JBDiGriz | Kentucky Fried Jerboas. |
| 22:59.57 | bryjen | Kenfucky Tied Chicken |
| 23:00.14 | patlabor221 | Kung Fu Jacket |
| 23:01.00 | bryjen | awww. there was a J but no "of Justice". Now you see why I was confused? |
| 23:01.06 | JBDiGriz | patlabor221: You and capn seemed to know hoda from a previous encounter. Is he always like that? |
| 23:01.15 | captain_proton | JBDiGriz: yep |
| 23:01.22 | captain_proton | although last time it was a bit worse |
| 23:01.31 | captain_proton | because he was absolutely sure we should use his models in bzflag |
| 23:01.47 | captain_proton | keep in mind that at the time, he couldn't model his way out of a wet paper bag |
| 23:01.52 | JBDiGriz | The obvious answer is "Patches welcome" |
| 23:02.02 | scanline | but in his case, they wouldn't be :) |
| 23:02.17 | patlabor221 | yes is is |
| 23:02.26 | JBDiGriz | Of course he's welcome to post a patch. There are lots of patches available. |
| 23:02.39 | patlabor221 | least he didn't talk about smoking a maggot this time |
| 23:03.07 | scanline | JBDiGriz: ah yes.. patches that never make it into CVS, like my *sob* flight sim mode |
| 23:03.15 | patlabor221 | I wonder if I still have his "models" |
| 23:03.49 | captain_proton | scanline: you're still sad about that? |
| 23:04.05 | scanline | captain_proton: of course not :) |
| 23:04.24 | patlabor221 | this is why screamers game types are classes in themselves, easy to add new game modes, like his flight one :) |
| 23:05.17 | scanline | patlabor221: you and your new-fangled classes |
| 23:05.25 | scanline | pybzflag doesn't need no steenking classes |
| 23:05.42 | patlabor221 | it probably dosn't |
| 23:05.56 | bryjen | or badgers |
| 23:05.57 | scanline | wow.. |
| 23:06.11 | scanline | 326 classes in pybzflag so far |
| 23:06.19 | scanline | micah@yoshi pybzflag $ egrep ^class `find -name "*.py"` | wc -l |
| 23:06.51 | captain_proton | hrm |
| 23:07.13 | captain_proton | seems like HUD: self.color is sometimes a 4-tuple and sometimes a 3-tuple |
| 23:07.21 | scanline | whoops |
| 23:07.42 | scanline | It was always a 3-tuple, but I must have forgot to change everything to 4 |
| 23:08.06 | scanline | you getting an error running the 'game' UI? |
| 23:09.19 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI (GameView.py): Update the yellow 'PyBZFlag' text to use a 4-tuple for HUD.Text's 'color' |
| 23:10.35 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 23:10.58 | scanline | k. I couldn't think of anything else that used HUD.Text |
| 23:11.10 | captain_proton | runs now |
| 23:11.19 | captain_proton | those mountains are so purdy |
| 23:11.25 | scanline | hehe |
| 23:11.51 | captain_proton | lemme find a link to the cloud stuff we need to do ;) |
| 23:12.00 | scanline | I saw some screenshots |
| 23:12.20 | scanline | got any papers about the algorithm? I have some guesses as to how it works |
| 23:12.44 | patlabor221 | it makes "fuzzons" |
| 23:12.56 | captain_proton | http://brlcad.org/siggraph/S2003DVD2/content/sketches/index.html#32 |
| 23:12.59 | patlabor221 | and "fluftells" |
| 23:13.01 | captain_proton | top link |
| 23:13.04 | *** part/#bzflag KR (~k@cae168-234-054.sc.rr.com) |
| 23:13.08 | patlabor221 | ooo fluflets |
| 23:13.24 | captain_proton | its short, doesn't really give out any info |
| 23:13.30 | captain_proton | since it is a selling point for a product |
| 23:13.36 | captain_proton | the video there explains things a little more |
| 23:13.43 | scanline | ooh, those do look cute |
| 23:13.52 | captain_proton | watch the video ;) |
| 23:13.54 | scanline | and remarkably much like the flight sim screenshots |
| 23:14.35 | scanline | downloading.. |
| 23:14.58 | captain_proton | its a big one |
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| 23:15.35 | scanline | I wouldn't have thought you could get output like that from a textured particle system |
| 23:16.00 | captain_proton | its a different kind of particles |
| 23:16.05 | captain_proton | the video does a good job at explaining it |
| 23:16.11 | scanline | k |
| 23:18.08 | captain_proton | haha |
| 23:18.10 | captain_proton | "Office Voodoo: a real-time editing engine for an algorithmic sitcom" |
| 23:18.29 | scanline | =) |
| 23:19.05 | scanline | the scary thing is that this particle cloud algorithm is probably faster than the one I have in pybzflag now |
| 23:19.18 | scanline | s/probably faster/definitely much faster/ |
| 23:19.40 | scanline | I can't find a fast way to subtract a constant color from the backbuffer in OpenGL much less map a texture according to a function |
| 23:23.20 | scanline | GL_MAP_COLOR is slow, the accumulation buffer is slow... |
| 23:23.26 | captain_proton | woo! |
| 23:23.35 | captain_proton | K-CSops is moving to icecast |
| 23:24.07 | captain_proton | we want all their 13 cloud types ;-) |
| 23:24.22 | captain_proton | their cloud creation/dissipation stuff looks really good too |
| 23:24.24 | scanline | this says 3 cloud types, 16 different textures |
| 23:24.30 | captain_proton | and their technique is so silly its surprising |
| 23:25.26 | scanline | 21% on that video |
| 23:26.06 | patlabor221 | what are they doing? |
| 23:27.19 | captain_proton | they use blending to either fade in/out the edges |
| 23:27.51 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/doc (BUGS): Start a BUGS file, with the HUD show/hide bug |
| 23:27.55 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/doc (2 files): Move resizing from TODO to BUGS |
| 23:28.17 | captain_proton | oh no! |
| 23:28.20 | captain_proton | a BUGS file! |
| 23:29.31 | patlabor221 | ahhh here it is, hoda's "tank" http://www.artemisgames.com/Psudotank1a.jpg |
| 23:30.52 | captain_proton | i love how he just glommed that gun thing onto the front |
| 23:31.16 | patlabor221 | and how it's all prims |
| 23:31.28 | patlabor221 | there are more polys in that gun then the entire body |
| 23:31.57 | patlabor221 | ahh and his hovercraft |
| 23:31.57 | patlabor221 | http://www.artemisgames.com/hovercraft.jpg |
| 23:32.36 | captain_proton | i like the 10 degree fov on that |
| 23:32.41 | captain_proton | or is it just misshapen? |
| 23:32.48 | patlabor221 | I think it's mishapen |
| 23:32.56 | patlabor221 | the mesh was horible |
| 23:39.25 | captain_proton | wow... |
| 23:39.36 | captain_proton | its amazing how much the crowd goes wild in this recording |
| 23:39.43 | captain_proton | all the other songs they're only cheering |
| 23:41.13 | scanline | ah.. |
| 23:41.27 | scanline | the video makes it pretty clear that it's sprite-based, voxels would look way better |
| 23:41.36 | captain_proton | they do a pretty good job with sprites |
| 23:42.56 | scanline | true |
| 23:43.22 | scanline | oh wait.. |
| 23:43.37 | scanline | this is still only half downloaded, i just lost the galeon download window behind xmms :P |
| 23:44.30 | scanline | interesting cloudamajigger... kind of silly that it's based completely on artists rather than physical models though |
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| 23:45.13 | captain_proton | scanline: well...yeah |
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| 23:45.28 | captain_proton | the thing is its almost impossible to do physical models when you're talking about hugely overcast skies |
| 23:45.31 | captain_proton | on consumer hardware |
| 23:45.45 | scanline | well, I was hoping for a way of precalculating the models then rendering them in realtime |
| 23:46.06 | scanline | it's pretty much what they did, but with artists instead of real models |
| 23:46.36 | captain_proton | nooooo |
| 23:46.42 | captain_proton | the unkillable java applet window :( |
| 23:46.53 | scanline | killall -9 java-vm |
| 23:46.53 | scanline | :) |
| 23:47.09 | captain_proton | goodbye galeon |
| 23:47.30 | scanline | good thing galeon has the nifty auto-url-saver thingy |
| 23:47.36 | patlabor221 | wasn't there some sort of linux process managater that used Doom as a shell? where you had to really "kill" your processes? |
| 23:47.42 | scanline | patlabor221: psdoom |
| 23:49.10 | patlabor221 | did the processes ever fight back? |
| 23:49.33 | scanline | never tried it... they probably used the regular doom monster 'ai' though |
| 23:49.55 | patlabor221 | that would suck if your print job kicked your ass |
| 23:50.06 | scanline | hehe |
| 23:51.00 | patlabor221 | well Time to decide if I call MS and submit to there "registration" or reinstall windows |
| 23:51.28 | patlabor221 | one more day till forced activation :( |
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| 23:51.56 | tea|tree_ | i hate wirless lan :( |
| 23:52.28 | patlabor221 | hatred is the path to the dark side. |
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