| 00:06.42 | captain_proton | war! |
| 00:06.56 | captain_proton | but it won't get assembled until a couple months from now |
| 00:10.29 | fiberchunks_ | how big is this desk?! ;) |
| 00:12.00 | *** join/#bzflag snyke (~snyke@eros.bingo-ev.de) |
| 00:12.18 | captain_proton | a bit bigger than my current |
| 00:12.21 | captain_proton | but i move in two months |
| 00:12.26 | captain_proton | and its silly to assemble it now |
| 00:12.30 | fiberchunks_ | ah |
| 00:12.41 | fiberchunks_ | where you movin? |
| 00:13.38 | captain_proton | to an apt |
| 00:13.40 | captain_proton | same town :) |
| 00:14.27 | fiberchunks_ | heh -- we should have the grand bz meet-up / lan party coincide with your apt move ;) |
| 00:25.19 | *** join/#bzflag learner (sean@chr160dhcp1675.chrchv01.md.comcast.net) |
| 00:31.58 | captain_proton | Player [0] accept() from 127.0.0.1:57933 on 6 |
| 00:31.58 | captain_proton | Player Maxwell's Silver Hammer [0] has joined from 0.0.0.0:0 on 6 |
| 00:31.58 | captain_proton | Player [0] sent unknown packet type (6964), possible attack from 0.0.0.0 |
| 00:32.26 | *** part/#bzflag Tupone (~Tupone@ppp-62-11-13-237.dialup.tiscali.it) |
| 00:36.19 | captain_proton | har, found it |
| 00:37.25 | Patlabor221 | I didn't know the stargate required you do dial 9 to get an ouside line. |
| 00:37.59 | CIA | commit by davidtrowbridge: store player address information so udp downlink works |
| 00:55.20 | fiberchunks_ | Patlabor221: how does one convert a 16 million color pic to 64k color pic, in photoshop, I think |
| 00:55.59 | Patlabor221 | 16 bit you mean? |
| 00:56.01 | *** part/#bzflag david_v (~david_v@c213-200-135-241.cm-upc.chello.se) |
| 00:56.12 | Patlabor221 | there are very few formats that old 16 bit |
| 00:56.13 | fiberchunks_ | yah |
| 00:56.14 | Patlabor221 | why? |
| 00:56.24 | Patlabor221 | sorry fiew fromats that hold 16 bit |
| 00:56.27 | fiberchunks_ | guys trying to create a bootsplash screen for linux |
| 00:56.51 | Patlabor221 | what format does it want it in? |
| 00:56.57 | fiberchunks_ | tar.gz, iirc |
| 00:57.07 | Patlabor221 | that's a compression, what about the image? |
| 00:57.11 | Patlabor221 | png? raw? what? |
| 00:57.17 | fiberchunks_ | dunno, lemme find out |
| 00:57.37 | Patlabor221 | it'll probably take a 24 bit image and dither it to the current display |
| 00:58.21 | fiberchunks_ | jpeg |
| 00:58.27 | Patlabor221 | jpegs are 24 bit |
| 00:58.41 | Patlabor221 | so just save it as normal |
| 00:58.58 | fiberchunks_ | yah, but it needs to be 16 bit for it to work |
| 00:59.17 | Patlabor221 | I know of no 16 bit jpeg |
| 00:59.35 | fiberchunks_ | the proggie requires the same resolution and bit depth that you specify as a kernel parameter |
| 00:59.53 | Patlabor221 | again there is NO 16 bit jpeg |
| 01:00.05 | Patlabor221 | the only format that holds a 16 bit image is MBP |
| 01:00.08 | Patlabor221 | BMP |
| 01:00.16 | Patlabor221 | the proggy should convert it |
| 01:00.24 | fiberchunks_ | regretfully, it don't |
| 01:00.40 | Patlabor221 | and there are 3 difrent 16 bit formats, what one does it want? 555 565, 556 ? |
| 01:00.47 | Mayhem | dammit, sf backup cvs is 2 days old :( |
| 01:01.38 | fiberchunks_ | Patlabor221: I really have no idea -- just tryin to help a dude out ;) |
| 01:01.43 | Mayhem | means I can't play with the new ubyte playerid :( |
| 01:01.56 | Patlabor221 | fiber, the requst makes no sense |
| 01:03.07 | Patlabor221 | is it this thing? |
| 01:03.07 | Patlabor221 | https://sourceforge.net/projects/bootsplash/ |
| 01:03.22 | fiberchunks_ | yah, that's it |
| 01:03.46 | Patlabor221 | they don't even have any memembers I don't think the project is even started |
| 01:04.06 | fiberchunks_ | running on my box at home -- but I'm at dads :\ |
| 01:04.16 | Mayhem | yay, sf anoncvs is alive |
| 01:04.18 | Patlabor221 | it's not no news, no docs, nothing. |
| 01:05.02 | fiberchunks_ | yah, I know -- hence the difficulty -- I use the gentoo default bootsplash screens, and haven't yet created my own |
| 01:05.02 | Patlabor221 | ahh here we go |
| 01:05.05 | Patlabor221 | http://www.bootsplash.org/ |
| 01:05.26 | fiberchunks_ | there it is |
| 01:05.45 | captain_proton | Mayhem: its still "behind" |
| 01:06.14 | captain_proton | Mayhem: no matter, because there aren't any 1.9 servers yet :) |
| 01:06.23 | Mayhem | I know, but at least it gives me something to work on :) |
| 01:06.43 | captain_proton | hm |
| 01:06.49 | Mayhem | instead of giving me 1.8 when I check out HEAD... |
| 01:07.03 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: howabout we set up some automatic snapshots on asgard? :) |
| 01:07.24 | Patlabor221 | didn't I sugest that the other day and you shoot me down for "I don't see the point"? |
| 01:11.17 | Patlabor221 | me has a beasty ass book to start readin now |
| 01:11.26 | fiberchunks_ | what book? |
| 01:11.37 | Patlabor221 | Mr. Potter |
| 01:11.42 | fiberchunks_ | ah |
| 01:16.30 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: please tell me asgard can recieve mail |
| 01:16.56 | Patlabor221 | nope |
| 01:17.04 | Patlabor221 | well maybe |
| 01:17.12 | Patlabor221 | it has no mailserver on it |
| 01:17.17 | Patlabor221 | you can install one if you wish |
| 01:18.47 | Patlabor221 | ooooo I did not know daniel comes back in season 7 |
| 01:24.02 | captain_proton | how many snapshots should it keep? |
| 01:24.28 | Patlabor221 | how big are they? |
| 01:27.28 | captain_proton | 2.7M |
| 01:27.45 | Patlabor221 | keep the last 10 |
| 01:27.58 | captain_proton | k |
| 01:28.22 | Patlabor221 | with the bfoj on a new drive, there should be plenty for snapshots and stuff |
| 01:30.41 | *** join/#bzflag bzgirl (~brat@toronto-hs-64-26-176-100.s-ip.magma.ca) |
| 01:51.49 | captain_proton | http://asgard.bakadigital.com/snapshots/ |
| 01:52.02 | captain_proton | now i gotta make it automatically run the script when there's a checkin |
| 01:54.00 | bzgirl | so i dont have to do that pserver thing anymore? |
| 01:54.10 | captain_proton | well |
| 01:54.17 | captain_proton | we're doing this because pserver is ~24hrs behind |
| 01:54.22 | bzgirl | ahh |
| 02:04.01 | *** join/#bzflag JBDiGriz (~JBDiGriz@adsl-67-120-233-53.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net) |
| 02:07.59 | captain_proton | SHEESH |
| 02:08.06 | captain_proton | asgard has one hell of a mail queue |
| 02:08.55 | JBDiGriz | Now that's a spam filter I could enjoy! |
| 02:09.45 | captain_proton | this queue was on the order of several hundred thousand messages |
| 02:09.58 | JBDiGriz | How many users on Asgard? |
| 02:10.12 | captain_proton | not many |
| 02:10.19 | captain_proton | looks like a broken minute crontab =/ |
| 02:10.37 | JBDiGriz | what mta are you running? |
| 02:12.33 | captain_proton | right now, sendmail |
| 02:12.38 | captain_proton | but it had been shut down for a long time |
| 02:12.47 | captain_proton | so the local delivery queued it =/ |
| 02:13.51 | JBDiGriz | something had to receive and queue it, have you verified the sendmail.cf? |
| 02:14.54 | JBDiGriz | what sort of messages in /var/log/maillog? |
| 02:16.04 | captain_proton | Jun 21 18:39:35 asgard sm-msp-queue[4088]: h41754sZ011526: h5M1XK0h004088: return to sender: Cannot send message for 5 days |
| 02:16.05 | captain_proton | Jun 21 18:39:35 asgard sm-msp-queue[4088]: h5M1XK0h004088: to=postmaster, delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=relay, pri=36420, relay=asgard.bakadigital.com., dsn=4.0.0, stat=Deferred: Connection refused by asgard.bakadigital.com. |
| 02:17.28 | JBDiGriz | I'm going to poke port 25 for just a second. |
| 02:18.42 | captain_proton | hrmph |
| 02:19.25 | captain_proton | looks like asgard's provider filters out port 25 >:P |
| 02:19.52 | JBDiGriz | That will cause lots of problems. I had to negotiate with one provider about that. |
| 02:20.27 | captain_proton | well at least with it running it won't queue up local deliveries |
| 02:36.18 | CIA | commit by davidtrowbridge: shoot off an email to sfsnap too |
| 02:38.43 | scanline | hmm, sfsnap? |
| 02:39.17 | captain_proton | scanline: an account on babylonia that'll pull cvs and create a snapshot tarball |
| 02:39.24 | scanline | ah |
| 02:39.29 | captain_proton | because anoncvs is 24hrs behind :( |
| 03:40.56 | *** join/#bzflag Noodlebot (~noodlebot@216.228.183.148) |
| 03:41.34 | learner | *-+ |
| 04:04.07 | *** join/#bzflag MrApathyCream (dbrosius@balt-209-163-100-178.qis-dynamic-dialup.coretel.net) |
| 04:04.52 | captain_proton | heh |
| 04:07.12 | MrApathyCream | wow, enterprising... |
| 04:07.27 | captain_proton | hm? |
| 04:08.58 | MrApathyCream | byte/reconnect |
| 04:09.22 | captain_proton | ah |
| 04:09.35 | captain_proton | well, riker wanted that to go in and be tested before anything else |
| 04:11.09 | CIA | davidtrowbridge changed Feature Requests 624003 (wish list for 2 new shapes): Status->'Closed' |
| 04:12.31 | MrApathyCream | good |
| 04:12.42 | MrApathyCream | so i just do co with no opts? |
| 04:13.16 | captain_proton | yep |
| 04:13.59 | MrApathyCream | lusty 32k tonite |
| 04:14.07 | MrApathyCream | *sigh* |
| 04:14.24 | captain_proton | ever considered satellite? |
| 04:14.26 | MrApathyCream | where are you RCAM? |
| 04:14.37 | MrApathyCream | the latency is aweful |
| 04:14.46 | MrApathyCream | couldn't play |
| 04:14.47 | captain_proton | true |
| 04:14.55 | MrApathyCream | am waiting for microwave |
| 04:16.51 | MrApathyCream | what's next on the agenda |
| 04:17.54 | captain_proton | testing of playerid stuff? :) |
| 04:18.09 | MrApathyCream | is a server up? |
| 04:18.15 | captain_proton | i can put one up |
| 04:18.31 | MrApathyCream | make it so |
| 04:20.23 | captain_proton | hang on a sec, i need to update and recompile, this tree doesn't have the version change i made |
| 04:22.27 | captain_proton | hm |
| 04:22.40 | captain_proton | bzfrelay needs to be fixed for reconnect |
| 04:26.04 | scanline | hmm... |
| 04:26.14 | scanline | how do you partition a disk under windows? fdisk doesn't seem to be installed... |
| 04:27.00 | MrApathyCream | the installer for the os does it |
| 04:27.07 | captain_proton | scanline: you can't partition at runtime |
| 04:27.10 | captain_proton | you have to boot-disk it |
| 04:27.13 | scanline | hmm... |
| 04:27.14 | scanline | that's gross |
| 04:27.20 | scanline | MrApathyCream: I added another disk |
| 04:29.45 | captain_proton | yep |
| 04:31.39 | CIA | commit by davidtrowbridge: wow this version numbering scheme sucks |
| 04:32.10 | scanline | hehe.. gentoo's framebuffer background thing works inside VMware |
| 04:35.46 | *** topic/#bzflag by captain_proton -> http://BZFlag.org/ || http://list.BZFlag.org/ || http://www.cafeshops.com/bzflag || http://stats.BZFlag.org/ || http://bzbb.bzflag.org (forums) || g2 released 2003-06-17 || Subversive planning for the next release http://www.bzflag.org/wiki/WorkInProgress || everyone please debug playerid changes for a while || anoncvs sucks, so here are some snapshots: http://sfsnap.babylonia.flatirons.org/ |
| 04:43.34 | captain_proton | hm |
| 04:43.37 | captain_proton | i'm disturbed |
| 04:43.52 | captain_proton | even with all the versions at 1.9a0 its still showing up in the server list |
| 04:46.09 | captain_proton | ooo |
| 04:46.14 | captain_proton | Protocol.h ServerVersion |
| 04:47.54 | scanline | http://www.wensleydale.co.uk/mini2.htm <-- the official cheese of Wallace and Gromit |
| 04:48.29 | captain_proton | =) |
| 04:49.05 | CIA | commit by davidtrowbridge: its like a nightmare in which there are fifteen different representations of the version number! |
| 04:49.36 | captain_proton | ok, now its in the server list by itself |
| 04:49.38 | captain_proton | >:P |
| 04:51.19 | captain_proton | the oak smoked variety looks the best |
| 04:52.09 | scanline | captain_proton: is it triggered by cron or by a commit? |
| 04:52.16 | captain_proton | scanline: by a commit |
| 04:52.24 | scanline | isn't that a bit slow? :) |
| 04:53.39 | MrApathyCream | w00t cvs completed |
| 04:54.15 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: now cvs up ;) |
| 04:54.37 | captain_proton | scanline: slow? not really |
| 04:55.04 | scanline | well, not slow necessarily... |
| 04:55.14 | scanline | but wasteful of babylonia's bandwidth :) |
| 04:55.47 | captain_proton | eh, not really |
| 04:55.54 | captain_proton | cvs up is pretty slim |
| 04:56.05 | scanline | oh |
| 04:56.16 | captain_proton | heh :) |
| 04:56.18 | scanline | for some reason I thought you had the sourceforge shell server tarring them up then scp'ing to babylonia |
| 04:56.31 | captain_proton | nono |
| 04:56.35 | captain_proton | that would be silly |
| 04:56.43 | scanline | indeed it would |
| 04:56.51 | captain_proton | if i were going to do it on the sf shell server i'd just have it put the snapshots into bzflag's web dir |
| 04:57.06 | scanline | besides the fact that the sf shell server wouldn't be able to connect to babylonia |
| 04:57.11 | captain_proton | yep |
| 04:57.42 | captain_proton | learner, bzgirl: alive? |
| 04:57.51 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: naw, the touchversion script does that for me ;-) |
| 04:58.05 | bzgirl | hello |
| 04:58.29 | captain_proton | so scanline, how did ya like those chinchillas? |
| 04:58.35 | scanline | tasty |
| 04:58.39 | captain_proton | bzgirl: care to play a bit & test cvs? |
| 04:58.47 | MrApathyCream | --tastes like chicken-- |
| 04:58.58 | captain_proton | scanline: they couldn't have done any of that if it was tv instead of radio :) |
| 04:59.13 | bzgirl | captain_proton: do i need a new client? |
| 04:59.16 | scanline | :) |
| 04:59.22 | scanline | heyyy... |
| 04:59.28 | captain_proton | bzgirl: you need current cvs |
| 04:59.35 | captain_proton | http://sfsnap.babylonia.flatirons.org/bzflag-2003-06-21-22:51:29.tar.gz |
| 04:59.59 | MrApathyCream | server? |
| 05:00.02 | bzgirl | ok |
| 05:00.18 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: the only one in the list ;) |
| 05:00.24 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 05:01.51 | scanline | "This isn't meat, but it's something you eat..." |
| 05:01.53 | scanline | "Hot dog!" |
| 05:05.16 | Patlabor221 | cap if you wish to run a server on asgard you may. |
| 05:06.07 | scanline | hehe, I forgot how funny this show was |
| 05:08.03 | scanline | "Sometimes we use the wrong tool for the job, like that garden hoe that I melted when I tried to clean the transformer" |
| 05:09.33 | Patlabor221 | wow that is ONE busted server |
| 05:11.29 | scanline | "Not only was he wrongfully convicted of theft, but he was unable to sell any of the stuff" |
| 05:13.29 | *** join/#bzflag NinjaSocks (~jeffm@adsl-64-167-77-165.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) |
| 05:13.33 | MrApathyCream | ? |
| 05:13.36 | MrApathyCream | busted? |
| 05:13.48 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: i think his udp routing is screwed up |
| 05:13.56 | NinjaSocks | are you 2 there now? |
| 05:14.39 | NinjaSocks | I turned off all the funkyness with the router. so it's stanard nat now |
| 05:14.54 | MrApathyCream | going back... |
| 05:14.59 | NinjaSocks | I get the "server did send endpoint" message |
| 05:15.12 | bzgirl | is the server listed? |
| 05:15.20 | NinjaSocks | only one show |
| 05:15.39 | bzgirl | oh, still compiling here |
| 05:15.51 | NinjaSocks | I can pick up flags now |
| 05:17.02 | captain_proton | i'm not there right now |
| 05:17.15 | NinjaSocks | I could get flags now, but everyone is NR |
| 05:17.18 | NinjaSocks | I'm geting clean |
| 05:18.35 | NinjaSocks | did you set up snapshots on asgard? |
| 05:21.55 | NinjaSocks | whooooo look at that release build crash |
| 05:22.02 | captain_proton | Player [3] accept() from 64.167.77.165:64462 on 9 |
| 05:22.02 | captain_proton | Player NinjaSocks [3] has joined from 64.167.77.165:64462 on 9 |
| 05:22.02 | captain_proton | SETNUM bzflag.net 1 1 1 0 1 |
| 05:22.02 | captain_proton | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:22.02 | captain_proton | Player [3] sent unknown packet type (6964), possible attack from 64.167.77.165 |
| 05:22.03 | captain_proton | Player NinjaSocks [3] UDP link requested, remote 64.167.77.165:17200 |
| 05:22.18 | NinjaSocks | I get the udp message |
| 05:22.29 | captain_proton | uread() discard packet! 64.167.77.165:64439 choices p(l) h:p 0(1) 192.168.1.1:17200 1(1) 209.163.100.178:17200 2(1) 64.26.176.100:17200 3(1) 64.167.77.165:17200 |
| 05:22.38 | NinjaSocks | odd |
| 05:22.52 | NinjaSocks | so your geting wierd packets from mee |
| 05:22.53 | captain_proton | can you connect and tell me the downlink port it tells you? |
| 05:23.18 | NinjaSocks | 17200 |
| 05:23.35 | captain_proton | now move around a bit |
| 05:23.55 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 05:24.28 | NinjaSocks | the comp has been asleep for most of the day, let me restart |
| 05:27.27 | *** join/#bzflag Patlabor221 (~jeffm@adsl-64-167-77-165.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) |
| 05:27.27 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o Patlabor221] by ChanServ |
| 05:27.39 | Patlabor221 | same stuff |
| 05:28.36 | captain_proton | its getting the udp downlink port wrong somewhere |
| 05:28.41 | captain_proton | it thinks you're on 17200 |
| 05:28.47 | captain_proton | where you're actually on 64439 |
| 05:28.49 | captain_proton | (i think) |
| 05:29.32 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: connect |
| 05:29.44 | captain_proton | err |
| 05:29.45 | captain_proton | wait |
| 05:29.58 | Patlabor221 | I'm rebuilding |
| 05:30.38 | captain_proton | tell me when you're ready |
| 05:31.14 | Patlabor221 | it's agoin |
| 05:31.16 | Patlabor221 | one sec |
| 05:31.20 | Patlabor221 | on hud |
| 05:31.51 | Patlabor221 | ok going in |
| 05:32.06 | Patlabor221 | in |
| 05:32.17 | captain_proton | wait |
| 05:32.17 | captain_proton | disconnect |
| 05:32.26 | Patlabor221 | quit |
| 05:32.38 | captain_proton | now go |
| 05:32.42 | Patlabor221 | gon |
| 05:32.58 | captain_proton | quit |
| 05:33.05 | Patlabor221 | quit |
| 05:33.55 | bzgirl | gotta go, nite guys |
| 05:34.01 | Patlabor221 | nite |
| 05:34.39 | Patlabor221 | cap did you hear about the live action EVA movie? |
| 05:34.54 | captain_proton | no |
| 05:35.08 | Patlabor221 | ADV got the rights |
| 05:35.18 | Patlabor221 | wetta workshop is doing effects |
| 05:35.58 | Patlabor221 | they are making real plugsuits as we speak |
| 05:36.25 | scanline | wow |
| 05:36.53 | Patlabor221 | the latest newtype USA has some intial production skeches on it |
| 05:37.02 | Patlabor221 | they are interpreting it there own way too. |
| 05:40.06 | *** join/#bzflag MrAC (dbrosius@balt-209-163-100-222.qis-dynamic-dialup.coretel.net) |
| 05:42.05 | Patlabor221 | hmm it's probably me, DSL is being "odd" |
| 05:42.16 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: i don't think so... |
| 05:42.29 | Patlabor221 | the blinky light that is suposed to blink, it's blinking as much as it has blinked in the past. |
| 05:42.45 | CIA | commit by davidtrowbridge: no more need for MsgIdAck |
| 05:42.59 | Patlabor221 | night |
| 05:46.18 | MrApathyCream | did you get rid of the patch function? |
| 05:46.50 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 05:53.53 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: ok, can you join for a bit? |
| 05:56.54 | captain_proton | i really should write an ethereal module for bzflag |
| 05:57.40 | captain_proton | amazing |
| 05:57.50 | captain_proton | i haven't recorded -any- IPX traffic so far |
| 05:58.41 | scanline | why would you be getting IPX traffic? |
| 05:58.47 | scanline | nobody uses IPX any more :) |
| 05:59.07 | MrApathyCream | i'm coming |
| 05:59.09 | CIA | commit by dbrosius: new strings to convert, nudge nudge, language gurus? |
| 05:59.13 | MrApathyCream | :) |
| 05:59.18 | captain_proton | =) |
| 06:05.48 | captain_proton | hah |
| 06:05.54 | captain_proton | i like that the only language you update is l33t |
| 06:06.26 | MrApathyCream | hehe |
| 06:11.26 | captain_proton | can you join? |
| 06:14.29 | MrApathyCream | one sec |
| 06:15.24 | CIA | commit by davidtrowbridge: fixed it so it doesn't assign the server/noone ID to the first player |
| 06:15.36 | captain_proton | =) |
| 06:17.50 | MrApathyCream | oops |
| 06:17.56 | MrApathyCream | :) |
| 06:20.08 | captain_proton | "improve jump flag" is -not- a bug |
| 06:21.08 | MrApathyCream | arg: you slipped in a ci, before i could check in, now i got to wait another 20 mins |
| 06:21.11 | CIA | davidtrowbridge changed Feature Requests 757832 (improve jump flag): Group->'None' Resolution->'Fixed' |
| 06:21.20 | MrApathyCream | =( |
| 06:21.24 | captain_proton | :P |
| 06:21.47 | MrApathyCream | Up-to-date check failed |
| 06:22.07 | CIA | davidtrowbridge changed Feature Requests 758011 (improve jump flag): Group->'None' Resolution->'Fixed' |
| 06:23.28 | MrApathyCream | keep your grubby hands off the keyboard for a second |
| 06:23.52 | MrApathyCream | that's allowed :) |
| 06:27.36 | CIA | commit by dbrosius: MsgScore from player to server unnecessary, as is old lag calcs, removed |
| 06:28.17 | captain_proton | YAY |
| 06:28.44 | MrApathyCream | Recent changes have rendered the quick admin ban |
| 06:28.44 | MrApathyCream | function bad, |
| 06:28.47 | MrApathyCream | :) |
| 06:28.52 | MrApathyCream | 'recent changes' |
| 06:28.57 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 06:28.59 | captain_proton | well |
| 06:29.09 | captain_proton | the client no longer knows the IP addresses of all its fellow players |
| 06:29.28 | captain_proton | and the quick admin stuff relied on that |
| 06:29.32 | captain_proton | /playerlist and /ban still work |
| 06:29.39 | MrApathyCream | yeah, just givin ya a hard time |
| 06:35.13 | MrApathyCream | patches welcome |
| 06:38.40 | CIA | commit by davidtrowbridge: get really rid of MsgIdAck |
| 06:43.08 | CIA | davidtrowbridge changed Bugs 758676 (test): Priority->'2' |
| 06:43.08 | CIA | davidtrowbridge changed Bugs 758676 (test): Status->'Closed' Resolution->'Invalid' |
| 06:43.47 | captain_proton | hrm |
| 06:44.25 | captain_proton | well its not appending the comments |
| 06:44.31 | captain_proton | but at least now it will splat everything out |
| 06:45.25 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: ok, care to join? |
| 06:49.40 | MrApathyCream | ok |
| 06:51.22 | captain_proton | where'd ya go? |
| 06:51.37 | MrApathyCream | heh, did you survive? |
| 06:51.43 | captain_proton | hm? |
| 06:51.51 | MrApathyCream | i forgot i just modified the sendKilled msg |
| 06:52.13 | captain_proton | hmm?? |
| 06:52.40 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 06:52.49 | MrApathyCream | sending a reason along too |
| 06:53.03 | captain_proton | i want to test flag capture |
| 06:53.04 | captain_proton | come back? |
| 06:54.06 | MrApathyCream | ok |
| 06:56.17 | captain_proton | join again? |
| 06:56.28 | MrApathyCream | seem to work |
| 06:56.37 | captain_proton | now i want to test send to teammmate |
| 06:56.40 | MrApathyCream | ok |
| 06:58.17 | captain_proton | heh |
| 07:08.17 | captain_proton | so the client isn't specifying the team when it sends MsgMessage |
| 07:12.56 | MrApathyCream | apparently |
| 07:13.04 | MrApathyCream | use to.. |
| 07:19.47 | captain_proton | http://lurgyman.babylonia.flatirons.org/cinema/ |
| 07:21.09 | scanline | hehe |
| 07:24.26 | scanline | It's like if Larry Wall had been a chicken-weilding film maniac |
| 07:26.06 | captain_proton | yep |
| 07:30.06 | *** join/#bzflag Chikorita (Chikorita@AC8AD9E9.ipt.aol.com) |
| 07:30.27 | Chikorita | people... |
| 07:30.39 | Chikorita | hello out there |
| 07:30.41 | Chikorita | :) |
| 07:30.44 | MrApathyCream | if you can call us that |
| 07:31.21 | Chikorita | u dont consider urself a people? |
| 07:31.23 | Chikorita | lol |
| 07:31.29 | Chikorita | :P |
| 07:32.19 | MrApathyCream | suck all the air out of the bottle and stick it to your cheek? |
| 07:32.55 | captain_proton | no its this weird online trivia game that uses far too much flash |
| 07:33.06 | captain_proton | Chikorita: you don't have to use /me for everything |
| 07:34.00 | captain_proton | heh |
| 07:34.06 | captain_proton | /me-days mean no work being done ;) |
| 07:34.12 | Chikorita | lol |
| 07:34.14 | captain_proton | so it would be JUST like the last year! |
| 07:34.25 | MrApathyCream | a /me-year |
| 07:34.47 | Chikorita | me me me |
| 07:34.48 | MrApathyCream | has the fist been around much? |
| 07:35.01 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: i'm the fist |
| 07:35.13 | MrApathyCream | no your captain_proton |
| 07:35.38 | captain_proton | i became the fist when we got frustrated with riker ;) |
| 07:35.47 | the_fist | heh |
| 07:36.20 | the_fist | so i didn't hear, did you release g2 without 'permission'? |
| 07:36.31 | captain_proton | nah, i had his permission |
| 07:36.38 | captain_proton | he just didn't like a couple things about it |
| 07:36.50 | MrApathyCream | cause he was slapping your head, last i saw |
| 07:36.51 | Chikorita | like wut? |
| 07:36.59 | Chikorita | just curious... :) |
| 07:37.22 | captain_proton | Chikorita: oh, things like after the release i bumped the version number without first moving to HEAD, etc |
| 07:37.24 | Chikorita | what didnt he like about it? |
| 07:37.26 | CIA | commit by dbrosius: add reason to MsgKilled |
| 07:37.35 | Chikorita | oh i see... |
| 07:38.29 | Chikorita | g1.1 |
| 07:38.37 | Chikorita | or g1.2 |
| 07:38.56 | CIA | commit by dbrosius: crunch |
| 07:39.13 | captain_proton | woo |
| 07:39.26 | captain_proton | snapshots are automatic now (sf integrated the ssh key) |
| 07:40.20 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: what exactly is 'reason' ? |
| 07:40.24 | captain_proton | Chikorita: huh? |
| 07:40.41 | MrApathyCream | BlowedUpReason |
| 07:40.43 | Chikorita | nevermind |
| 07:41.03 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: i mean what values can it hold? |
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| 07:42.33 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: you did cvs add -kb ? |
| 07:42.49 | MrApathyCream | enum BlowedUpReason { |
| 07:42.49 | MrApathyCream | GotKilledMsg, |
| 07:42.49 | MrApathyCream | GotShot, |
| 07:42.49 | MrApathyCream | GotRunOver, |
| 07:42.49 | MrApathyCream | GotCaptured, |
| 07:42.50 | MrApathyCream | GenocideEffect, |
| 07:42.52 | MrApathyCream | SelfDestruct |
| 07:42.54 | MrApathyCream | }; |
| 07:42.56 | MrApathyCream | -kb yes |
| 07:43.05 | captain_proton | ok, just checking :) |
| 07:43.09 | MrApathyCream | :) |
| 07:43.39 | MrApathyCream | i'd like to make the explode graphics be z==0 too |
| 07:43.48 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=512398&group_id=3248&atid=353248 |
| 07:43.58 | captain_proton | z==0? |
| 07:44.13 | Chikorita | i like the new High Jump Flag idea... |
| 07:44.26 | Chikorita | i bet that would be easy to implement |
| 07:44.34 | Chikorita | just change the z value? |
| 07:45.33 | MrApathyCream | Chikorita: you can't find a jump flag in a jump world |
| 07:45.47 | MrApathyCream | captain_proton: so the tank visually splats |
| 07:46.08 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: on SR? |
| 07:46.12 | MrApathyCream | ya |
| 07:46.26 | captain_proton | yeah, that would be nifty |
| 07:46.38 | MrApathyCream | a fistable feat, i would think |
| 07:46.40 | captain_proton | although SR in air wouldn't work right then |
| 07:46.45 | MrApathyCream | ya |
| 07:46.55 | MrApathyCream | OnBuilding, OnGround |
| 07:47.21 | CIA | dbrosius changed Feature Requests 512398 (Humiliation sound when steamrolled): Status->'Closed' Resolution->'Accepted' Assigne->'to: Dave Brosius (dbrosius)' |
| 07:47.21 | CIA | davidtrowbridge changed Bugs 758676 (test): |
| 07:47.38 | captain_proton | hm, that was strange |
| 07:47.43 | MrApathyCream | well that's enough damage for one night |
| 07:47.51 | captain_proton | see yas |
| 07:48.27 | Chikorita | bye |
| 07:49.50 | Chikorita | i always play with my sounds off , so i never hear any of that |
| 07:49.58 | Chikorita | :P |
| 07:51.51 | Chikorita | ok i go 2 sleep now ...nite all |
| 07:52.14 | captain_proton | 'night |
| 07:52.36 | learner | Just saw a seriously annoying slew of bugs.... |
| 07:52.51 | learner | I had two different clients coming from the same IP |
| 07:53.05 | learner | (me and someone else playing off a NAT'd lan) |
| 07:53.26 | learner | after a little while on a busy server, we'd take turns going NR |
| 07:53.38 | learner | among other oddities. |
| 07:54.23 | captain_proton | with the absolute latest? |
| 07:54.29 | captain_proton | there were a couple playerid bugs |
| 07:54.30 | fiberchunks | learner> that happens to me at home (behind a NAT) quite often... I'll be on, a friend gets on, NR abounds |
| 07:54.31 | learner | we'd play fine for 30-50 minutes, then boom all other players would seem to go NR to me (and I NR to them) |
| 07:54.32 | captain_proton | probably more :) |
| 07:54.42 | learner | no, this was G2.... |
| 07:54.51 | captain_proton | ah |
| 07:54.56 | captain_proton | sounds like a buggy nat ;) |
| 07:55.01 | MrApathyCream | g2 is old |
| 07:55.03 | learner | I thought it might be because we were on rose running g0, but same on ducati |
| 07:55.20 | learner | hehehe, g2's not that old |
| 07:55.35 | captain_proton | honestly, the only NAT i've ever seen work perfectly is cisco's |
| 07:55.58 | learner | hmmmmm... |
| 07:56.17 | fiberchunks | well, I attribute my NR to the pos linksys here at home |
| 07:56.20 | learner | another interesting thing is that I could still communicate and run aroudn the field |
| 07:56.30 | learner | even when supposedly "NR" |
| 07:56.35 | captain_proton | learner: well, you running around the field is local |
| 07:56.35 | fiberchunks | yah, same here learner |
| 07:56.39 | captain_proton | and messages are TCP |
| 07:56.49 | learner | ah, didn't know that bout the messages |
| 07:56.58 | fiberchunks | what kind of router, out of curiousity? |
| 07:57.00 | captain_proton | TCP nat doesn't mess up |
| 07:57.05 | captain_proton | UDP nat is tricky |
| 07:57.29 | learner | occassionally, I'd get 'back in' only to have one of the two of us playing be unshootable |
| 07:57.40 | learner | and unable to shoot |
| 07:57.45 | fiberchunks | same exact thing here |
| 07:57.45 | learner | er, kill |
| 07:57.59 | learner | it's a linksys, fiber |
| 07:58.08 | fiberchunks | bingo -- which one -- befsr41? |
| 07:58.33 | captain_proton | see? not a bzflag bug at all ;-) |
| 07:58.41 | learner | befw11s4 |
| 07:58.55 | learner | it's the wireless 5-port wired switch/router |
| 07:59.04 | fiberchunks | well, it has been my humble experience that UDP support and linksys products suck ass, generally |
| 07:59.13 | learner | I'm not convinced that easily, cap.. :) |
| 07:59.18 | fiberchunks | hence, why I'm looking for a new router |
| 08:00.07 | learner | where in the code should I probe if I wanted to check messages going around? server-side? |
| 08:00.23 | captain_proton | its all over =/ |
| 08:00.29 | learner | :| |
| 08:00.33 | learner | :( |
| 08:00.56 | learner | anything I can try client-side? suggesstions? |
| 08:01.06 | fiberchunks | learner> btw -- update -- 2 days (approx total playing time) without blending -- no lockups |
| 08:01.15 | captain_proton | learner: you could try playing sans udp |
| 08:01.17 | fiberchunks | fullscreen too |
| 08:02.27 | learner | yep, fiber.. expected that -- I realy suspect a cross-platform bug there in the opengl somewhere related to blending/lighting |
| 08:02.39 | learner | cap, sans? |
| 08:02.58 | captain_proton | without |
| 08:03.25 | learner | ah, that sans |
| 08:04.21 | learner | well, we'll give tcp transport a try tomorrow and see how it behaves |
| 08:05.10 | CIA | commit by dbrosius: oops, unfixed sound, checkin right one |
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| 10:40.53 | Mayhem | Noooooooo |
| 10:41.01 | Mayhem | captain_proton: you awake? |
| 10:41.51 | Mayhem | The snapshots aren't downloadable :( |
| 10:42.19 | Mayhem | Forbidden |
| 10:42.20 | Mayhem | You don't have permission to access /bzflag-2003-06-22-02:05:14.tar.gz on this server. |
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| 11:54.00 | Mayhem | hola [dmp] |
| 11:54.26 | [dmp] | Halløjsa Mayhem :-) |
| 11:55.02 | Mayhem | :) |
| 11:56.11 | Mayhem | Are you able to get the files from http://sfsnap.babylonia.flatirons.org/ ? |
| 11:56.49 | [dmp] | "You don't have permission to access /bzflag-2003-06-22-02:05:14.tar.gz on this server. |
| 11:56.49 | [dmp] | " |
| 11:57.10 | Mayhem | yep, same here. Just making sure I'm not imagining things :( |
| 11:57.10 | [dmp] | guess somebody forgot to change the permissions :) |
| 11:57.28 | Mayhem | The second one is gettable. |
| 12:02.16 | [dmp] | ah |
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| 13:27.56 | Mayhem | s/quite/quiet/ |
| 13:28.25 | Mayhem | Chiko has a team in the normal league to run for now :) |
| 13:29.44 | [dmp] | thats true. I wonder when can eat some of your tanks for dinner :-) |
| 13:33.22 | Mayhem | Once we've beaten all the teams below you :) |
| 13:33.40 | Mayhem | Eating tanks would be difficult though... |
| 13:33.53 | Mayhem | depends how you prepare them... |
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| 13:46.39 | sussudio | [dmp] : you need an AOLtardtalk to english dictionary |
| 13:50.23 | Mayhem | Holy F@#$ [dmp]! |
| 13:55.23 | [dmp] | http://members.chello.nl/~s.ferris/cessna.htm "Hold on, i need to adjust this thingy.. Now i just need to find the right mouse" :-) 5 mices?? :) |
| 13:57.00 | Mayhem | 1 mouse, 2 mice, 5 meeses. |
| 13:57.40 | Mayhem | actually I can see at least 7... |
| 13:58.00 | Mayhem | 9 keyboards |
| 13:58.59 | [dmp] | So, he is an alien? :) |
| 13:59.23 | Mayhem | Certainly a nut, dunno about alien :) |
| 13:59.28 | [dmp] | hehe |
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| 14:00.47 | Mayhem | don't get me started on people doing crazy things with flight simulators... |
| 14:07.31 | CIA | minus_zero opened Feature Requests 758774 (An Anti-Camping System): |
| 14:07.44 | sussudio | ~eat minus_zero |
| 14:07.49 | | ACTION eats minus_zero and falls over dead |
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| 14:20.22 | ak|ra | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:24.26 | Mayhem | moin moin akira |
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| 15:35.15 | ldog | can someone explain the rules of this game? |
| 15:35.36 | ldog | bzflag.org doesnt really explain it |
| 15:36.09 | ak|ra | kill the other tanks without getting kille |
| 15:36.11 | ak|ra | d |
| 15:36.27 | ldog | what are the flags for? |
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| 15:37.27 | Mayhem | hiya david_v |
| 15:37.31 | david_v | hey :) |
| 15:37.43 | Mayhem | ready for some RTCW-ET? |
| 15:37.50 | david_v | brb |
| 15:38.06 | sussudio | ~french anon cvs |
| 15:38.08 | | ACTION sticks it's tongue down anon cvs's throat to taste what anon cvs had for dinner |
| 15:38.25 | ak|ra | Mayhem: perhaps :) |
| 15:38.51 | ldog | so do the flags contribute to your score? |
| 15:38.57 | ak|ra | ldog: for chaning situations .. one flag ups, u have guided missile, one other flag ups, u are blind |
| 15:39.03 | Mayhem | ak|ra: cool, david and I were playing last night |
| 15:39.20 | ak|ra | i was kicked for nothing last night and was really pissed of these idiots |
| 15:39.40 | ldog | ahh ok. would be cool if the website mentioned that in the help section |
| 15:39.41 | Mayhem | ldog: which server? some flags are for teams, as in 'capture the flag' |
| 15:40.02 | ldog | right, that's what i was thinking when i downloaded it |
| 15:40.16 | Mayhem | isn't there a help document with the program? |
| 15:40.30 | ldog | the servers that i tried seemed to have tons of white flags |
| 15:40.49 | ldog | didnt even look yet, just did an apt-get and ran it |
| 15:40.57 | Mayhem | yes, they are 'superflags', give you special powers |
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| 15:41.24 | larsl_56k | ldog: The team flags are colored in their team color. |
| 15:41.26 | david_v | 14400... lol :) |
| 15:41.36 | Mayhem | there is a list of servers in-game. the list gives you info on what game style it is etc. |
| 15:42.27 | ak|ra | ldog: the flags are all white except teamflags for ctf-games. its really pointless to know whats "in" the flag before you catch it ... |
| 15:42.39 | david_v | Mayhem: i might be playing in a bit, not sure yet |
| 15:42.53 | Mayhem | david_v: akira might join us :) |
| 15:43.04 | david_v | yeah... maybe :) |
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| 15:43.16 | ldog | cool, thanks guys. gonna fire up server with my kid for a while. was getting my ass handed to me on the servers i tried :) |
| 15:43.24 | david_v | hey bzg |
| 15:44.26 | ak|ra | Mayhem: where are you from .. |
| 15:44.50 | bzgirl | hi |
| 15:44.53 | Mayhem | ak|ra: I'm currently in the UK :) |
| 15:45.02 | ak|ra | hi bzgirl |
| 15:45.14 | ak|ra | bzgirl: http://141.44.198.27/~gumz/spam.png |
| 15:45.24 | ak|ra | bzgirl: http://141.44.198.27/~gumz/mail-hour.png |
| 15:45.36 | ak|ra | Mayhem: because of the "ping" |
| 15:46.04 | Mayhem | ak|ra: a european server should be fine :) |
| 15:46.26 | bzgirl | ak|ra: thats alot of spam! |
| 15:46.38 | Mayhem | ak|ra: what does each colour represent? |
| 15:46.46 | ak|ra | bzgirl: about 150 in june ... |
| 15:46.53 | ak|ra | blue is spam / day |
| 15:46.56 | ak|ra | green is the size |
| 15:47.10 | david_v | yeehaa, just found something i had been searching for. now i'm happier :) |
| 15:47.10 | Mayhem | I get about the same I think... |
| 15:47.12 | ak|ra | and its all done with my first real ruby-program :) |
| 15:47.18 | sussudio | ~pig spam |
| 15:47.19 | | spam is 46% pig! |
| 15:47.29 | Mayhem | hehehe |
| 15:47.36 | Mayhem | that is *so* appropriate |
| 15:47.50 | ak|ra | Mayhem: choose a server and tell me the ip |
| 15:48.07 | Mayhem | david_v: what was the server we were on yesterday? |
| 15:48.20 | david_v | Mayhem: gaming.34sp.com |
| 15:48.29 | ak|ra | ip is? |
| 15:48.31 | david_v | hm why do i prefix messages on non-busy channels |
| 15:48.38 | Mayhem | ak|ra: that is how it appears in the list, don't know the ip |
| 15:48.49 | ak|ra | ok |
| 15:48.52 | Mayhem | david_v: dunno :) |
| 15:48.54 | david_v | just sort by server name |
| 15:49.01 | ak|ra | ok |
| 15:49.01 | david_v | annoying to wait for it to load though |
| 15:49.09 | david_v | but that's not a problem, usually :) |
| 15:49.15 | Mayhem | fast for me... |
| 15:49.28 | david_v | takes a whole 6-7 seconds or so for me :) |
| 15:50.56 | *** part/#bzflag ldog (~ldog@ip68-109-162-148.ph.ph.cox.net) |
| 15:51.43 | ak|ra | i dont find such a server |
| 15:52.05 | david_v | hm, we'll need another one then |
| 15:52.14 | ak|ra | ok i have one |
| 15:52.16 | ak|ra | i have it |
| 15:52.18 | ak|ra | 15 / 16 |
| 15:52.20 | ak|ra | i am in |
| 15:52.30 | david_v | hm. |
| 15:52.32 | ak|ra | nope .. itrs full :) |
| 15:52.34 | david_v | lol |
| 15:52.38 | ak|ra | :)) |
| 15:52.46 | david_v | it might get less full in a bit, possibly |
| 15:53.11 | david_v | i am so smart, am i not... :) |
| 15:54.10 | Chestal | ok, 1.9 server up on ducati |
| 15:56.31 | sussudio | whoopee. now if only ANYONE could get something from anon cvs. |
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| 15:56.42 | guruzi | holla. |
| 15:57.14 | david_v | Mayhem: brb again :) |
| 15:58.37 | ak|ra | hi chest |
| 15:58.43 | ak|ra | david_v: so .. wher enow? |
| 15:59.38 | bzgirl | hi guruzi |
| 16:00.42 | david_v | ak|ra: where now? |
| 16:01.29 | david_v | up to you :) |
| 16:01.59 | david_v | i think i can't play for long though |
| 16:02.36 | david_v | Mayhem: ready? |
| 16:04.25 | david_v | what about =Dow=Zone , 66.28.238.11:22000 - running on Linux too, it seems :) |
| 16:05.23 | david_v | hm 16/18 right now... |
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| 16:08.54 | david_v | TnX Enemy Territory, 193.213.112.66:27960 ,15/20, seems good |
| 16:09.58 | david_v | i'm going there, join if you like... :) |
| 16:10.10 | david_v | low ping, running on Linux... what more could you expect hehe |
| 16:10.18 | sussudio | got a teamkiller on ducati 5156! |
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| 16:34.15 | Nidhoggr | it's nice having cvs.bzflag.org, but it is a little slower than SF. :) |
| 16:34.38 | sussudio | SF doesnt even work. |
| 16:34.46 | Nidhoggr | is it totally broken now? |
| 16:34.52 | sussudio | it gets stuck in checkout |
| 16:34.57 | Nidhoggr | :( |
| 16:35.05 | sussudio | but i cant seem to get v1_9 from cvs.bzflag.org |
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| 16:35.26 | Nidhoggr | is 1.9 going to break protocol? |
| 16:35.31 | sussudio | :-| |
| 16:35.39 | learner | yes, that's the word |
| 16:35.46 | Nidhoggr | yay! |
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| 16:40.19 | breadhat | hey nidhoggr and patlabor221 :) |
| 16:40.27 | Patlabor221 | sup |
| 16:40.30 | Nidhoggr | hi breadhat |
| 16:40.36 | Nidhoggr | hi patlabor221 |
| 16:40.47 | Patlabor221 | how goes it? |
| 16:40.51 | Nidhoggr | pretty good. |
| 16:41.14 | Patlabor221 | coo |
| 16:41.20 | wallydog | lo all, it's fiber |
| 16:41.34 | sussudio | porkchunks |
| 16:41.41 | wallydog | pigchunks |
| 16:41.49 | wallydog | ~pig fiberchunks |
| 16:41.50 | | fiberchunks is 79% pig! |
| 16:41.50 | Nidhoggr | I had Lasik on tuesday, and still recovering... but the results are pretty awesome so far. |
| 16:41.57 | Patlabor221 | wallydog? where di you get that? |
| 16:42.04 | wallydog | my father's dogs name |
| 16:42.12 | wallydog | wally |
| 16:42.21 | breadhat | cool |
| 16:42.22 | Patlabor221 | ahh |
| 16:42.25 | breadhat | how much did it cost? |
| 16:42.26 | wallydog | or walnut, tasha, or anything else we feel like makin up |
| 16:42.35 | Nidhoggr | it was 1295/eye. |
| 16:42.41 | breadhat | whew |
| 16:42.51 | wallydog | you doin the eyedrops on a regular basis, Nidhoggr? |
| 16:42.52 | Nidhoggr | I was really nearsighted and had a bad astigmatism. |
| 16:42.53 | breadhat | good thing I have good vision :) |
| 16:42.58 | Nidhoggr | constantly, wally. |
| 16:43.20 | wallydog | good man, a colleague had it done -- horrible vision - doesn't need glasses anymore ;) |
| 16:43.33 | Nidhoggr | that's what I'm hoping. |
| 16:43.45 | Nidhoggr | I was 20/30 the day after... and 20/20 for close up. |
| 16:43.55 | wallydog | his eyedrop routine lasted for about 2.5 wks, iirc |
| 16:44.03 | wallydog | nice -- you'll be pleased, I'm sure |
| 16:44.11 | Nidhoggr | yeah... you can really tell the drops are vital. |
| 16:45.03 | wallydog | does insurance cover that? |
| 16:45.09 | sussudio | Patlabor221 : pico. |
| 16:45.12 | bzgirl | apt-setup |
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| 16:45.28 | Patlabor221 | thank you. |
| 16:45.54 | sussudio | echo deb newaptsource main contrib non-free >> /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 16:45.59 | sussudio | :-P |
| 16:46.04 | Tupone | Patlabor221: are you working on SDL? |
| 16:46.12 | Patlabor221 | not yet |
| 16:46.26 | Patlabor221 | sources need cleaning up before SDL can be put in. |
| 16:46.37 | Tupone | Patlabor221: I've made SDLMedia.cxx for LINUX |
| 16:46.51 | Tupone | it's seems to work |
| 16:46.55 | Patlabor221 | uses SDL mixer? |
| 16:46.58 | sussudio | wtf! |
| 16:47.15 | sussudio | cvs.bzflag.org gets stuck at the same damn point with cvs checkout as cvs.sf! |
| 16:47.22 | sussudio | ~eat cvs servers |
| 16:47.28 | | ACTION eats cvs servers and falls over dead |
| 16:47.28 | Tupone | Whatis SDL mixer? I just use SDL_OpenAudio and related |
| 16:47.37 | sussudio | U bzflag/win32/scene.dsp < GRR |
| 16:47.38 | Patlabor221 | ohh, ok your using the raw sounds stuff |
| 16:47.45 | Patlabor221 | ok, that's minimum |
| 16:48.04 | Tupone | It's perfectly compatible with the sound.cxx |
| 16:48.08 | Patlabor221 | for sound me and cap thought about doing OpenAL so we could get hardware 3d sound support. |
| 16:48.20 | Patlabor221 | yes, yours is doing just the same as what is done now. |
| 16:48.33 | Patlabor221 | we were talking about enhancing it at the same time |
| 16:48.41 | Tupone | I too, but looking at it, I found that not all drivers are supported. |
| 16:48.57 | Patlabor221 | yeah we want to totaly redo platform |
| 16:48.57 | Tupone | on OpenAL |
| 16:49.14 | Patlabor221 | so oyu can use openAL, SDL, what ever, all at run time. |
| 16:49.29 | breadhat | cant you do both? and just switch from openal to the basic mode? |
| 16:49.36 | Patlabor221 | sure |
| 16:49.49 | Patlabor221 | with a big ol change to BZ |
| 16:50.21 | Tupone | Patlabor221: and the old mode will be maintained |
| 16:50.22 | Tupone | ? |
| 16:50.35 | Patlabor221 | that couod be one of the options yes. |
| 16:50.41 | Patlabor221 | old no hardware sound |
| 16:51.06 | Tupone | Patlabor221: that's wat you mean by old, no sound |
| 16:51.15 | Patlabor221 | basicly we talked about spliting platform up a lot more, into more discrete modules, sound, input, video, etc... |
| 16:51.37 | Patlabor221 | no, old software interploated sound, what we do now |
| 16:51.52 | Patlabor221 | not newer hardware based 3d sound |
| 16:51.57 | Nidhoggr | my insurance didn't cover it. |
| 16:52.06 | Nidhoggr | I had to pay for it all. |
| 16:52.12 | Nidhoggr | cuz it's considered elective surgery. |
| 16:52.12 | wallydog | ooo, that sux |
| 16:52.31 | wallydog | funny -- probably save them on glasses / contacts costs, in the long term |
| 16:52.58 | Tupone | Patlabor221: If you know, SB live its and hardware based 3d sound board? |
| 16:53.24 | Patlabor221 | it shuld be, I know it is under windows, don't know about linux drivers |
| 16:53.25 | learner | no, nice and pink.. :) |
| 16:53.57 | Nidhoggr | there are stats that people spend thousands on contacts/solutions, etc., over a few years. |
| 16:54.05 | breadhat | wow |
| 16:54.41 | wallydog | my point :\ stupid insurance ppl |
| 16:54.56 | Tupone | Patlabor221: do yu think I should release that SDLMedia ?!? |
| 16:55.21 | Patlabor221 | ask cap, I think it would be a good thing to get into 1.9 |
| 16:55.37 | Patlabor221 | our big chang would not be till after 1.9 more then likey |
| 16:55.48 | Patlabor221 | submit it as a patch, so it can be tested |
| 16:56.25 | Nidhoggr | I think part of the insurance companies thing is that it's not always 100% effective, and many people still need contacts or glasses. |
| 16:56.42 | Nidhoggr | so they end up paying for the surgery AND more contacts, etc. |
| 16:56.43 | Tupone | Patlabor221: I'll do this night (mine). I suppose it can be very easily integrated on Windows, because it's using only SDL |
| 16:57.16 | Patlabor221 | on windows there is no problem with audio, since it is just calling directX |
| 16:57.24 | Patlabor221 | and that's all SDL calls anyway |
| 16:57.52 | Patlabor221 | for 1.9 I would only change linux, as there is problems with linux sound. |
| 16:58.08 | Tupone | Patlabor221: remember that MingW32 issue, related to directx include files. I think SDL solve that. |
| 16:59.02 | Patlabor221 | it may yes |
| 16:59.20 | Patlabor221 | but I would make mingw another platform then. |
| 16:59.41 | Patlabor221 | there is no reason to force VC builds to use SDL if they do not need to |
| 16:59.42 | Tupone | Patlabor221: However I'm putting all under control of configure, so if you want all Linux then OK. If ypu want Linux with SD .. |
| 17:00.11 | Patlabor221 | ahhh, so they could just do it with SDL in mingw, that would be fine. |
| 17:00.42 | Patlabor221 | the thing is, if we make everyone use it, then that's another dependecy that people have to get. |
| 17:00.47 | Patlabor221 | on every OS |
| 17:01.14 | Patlabor221 | sdl libs do not ship with windows |
| 17:02.03 | Tupone | But system will be portable to other platform, when SDL integration will end |
| 17:02.17 | Patlabor221 | yes I agree its a good thing |
| 17:02.27 | Patlabor221 | but it just has to be planed well |
| 17:02.36 | Patlabor221 | since it is a change from how we normal work |
| 17:02.57 | Patlabor221 | and 1.9 can't get TOO many big changes or it will stagnate |
| 17:03.07 | Nidhoggr | grrr. network went down to server. |
| 17:03.35 | Tupone | I'll put has a patch. If capt likeit , good! I can continue to work on other SDL modules if nobody will do |
| 17:03.56 | Patlabor221 | and we can't use SDL for video on like BeOS, they don't have SDL gl Bindings. |
| 17:04.36 | Tupone | Any reason why SDL do not work on BeOS? |
| 17:04.46 | Tupone | Just time? |
| 17:04.53 | Patlabor221 | it dosn't have GL bindings |
| 17:05.11 | Tupone | ~BeOS |
| 17:05.22 | Tupone | whatis BeOS? |
| 17:05.27 | Patlabor221 | an OS |
| 17:05.29 | Tupone | where it runs |
| 17:05.36 | Patlabor221 | all over |
| 17:05.39 | learner | and sdl isn't near as optimal on macosx as the core graphics api is.. |
| 17:05.58 | Patlabor221 | yeah, or like on the portable devices |
| 17:06.08 | Patlabor221 | this is why we want another layer |
| 17:06.17 | Patlabor221 | SDL will work for most of the "BIG" OSs |
| 17:06.30 | Patlabor221 | but we need a way to let the other guys still do there own thing. |
| 17:07.10 | Patlabor221 | is it j2e or brew? |
| 17:07.12 | learner | Layered properly, SDL could simply just be another framebuffer interface -- but that distinction isn't made that cleanly afaik right now |
| 17:07.32 | Patlabor221 | we don't need to access the frame buffer |
| 17:07.33 | Patlabor221 | EVER |
| 17:07.36 | Tupone | Patlabor221: what do you think about allegro |
| 17:07.37 | Patlabor221 | we need GL |
| 17:07.41 | Patlabor221 | alegro blows |
| 17:07.43 | Patlabor221 | it has no GL |
| 17:07.52 | Patlabor221 | less then that :) |
| 17:08.04 | learner | I don't mean that frame buffer, pat |
| 17:08.11 | Patlabor221 | tupone, do you know how BZ draws? |
| 17:08.21 | Tupone | OpenGL! |
| 17:08.36 | learner | very carefully.. :) |
| 17:08.37 | Tupone | That's the answer? |
| 17:08.50 | Patlabor221 | all we would use SDL for in the video area is to bring up a window |
| 17:08.52 | Patlabor221 | that's it' |
| 17:09.04 | learner | and provide the ogl context, of course |
| 17:09.16 | Patlabor221 | that's just a single flag |
| 17:10.26 | learner | has anyone tried leaving things in polygon rendering mode for effect? that could be pretty neat |
| 17:10.32 | learner | er.. |
| 17:10.37 | Patlabor221 | I do need to rip media a new one, and get it to pull from a VFS |
| 17:10.37 | learner | wireframe |
| 17:11.20 | Tupone | Patlabor221: Apart from big change, is CVS now able to get fixes (on the main Trunk)? |
| 17:11.39 | Patlabor221 | it should be, but you never know with SF |
| 17:12.09 | Tupone | Patlabor221: Just wondering about Captain... |
| 17:12.23 | Patlabor221 | he's probably still asleep |
| 17:12.40 | Patlabor221 | it is just 11:00 where he is |
| 17:13.12 | Tupone | Yu answer my question before I did. How |
| 17:13.26 | Patlabor221 | I am realy realy smart |
| 17:13.34 | Patlabor221 | )|:) |
| 17:14.24 | wallydog | Patlabor221 has big brain -- for great justice! |
| 17:15.06 | Patlabor221 | actualy I just got up too, so it's just bad hair |
| 17:17.08 | Patlabor221 | tupone, why don't you spec out your SDL ideas on the work in progress Wiki pages? |
| 17:17.30 | Tupone | I already wrote about SDL audio, there |
| 17:17.46 | Patlabor221 | well write what you have planed, before you work on it |
| 17:18.11 | Tupone | Just one step at time. |
| 17:18.28 | Patlabor221 | well write up all your planed steps |
| 17:18.38 | Patlabor221 | even if it's very general |
| 17:18.52 | Patlabor221 | so people know you are working on it, and can perhaps offer comment |
| 17:19.46 | Tupone | My problem is that I don't know how long it takes to integrate the all. |
| 17:19.51 | Patlabor221 | so |
| 17:20.07 | Patlabor221 | we just want to know who wants to do what |
| 17:20.19 | Patlabor221 | and they rest of them can't read your mind. |
| 17:20.50 | Tupone | I found audio is taking too much of my brain resource. For the callback and synchronization |
| 17:21.14 | Tupone | If I see other subsystem work the same way, I'll give up |
| 17:21.17 | Patlabor221 | this is why leting the hardware do it is nicer :) |
| 17:22.32 | Tupone | However, 'll try to write somthing, but Yu know, hope other SDL modules, integrate better. |
| 17:23.26 | Patlabor221 | abstract them if you need to |
| 17:24.43 | Tupone | I have tried to not modify anythink outside SDLMedia. So we can leave the old way of doing think, in case SDL does not suport us |
| 17:25.02 | Patlabor221 | well the xxxmedia api is not the best |
| 17:25.08 | Patlabor221 | that is what I want to change |
| 17:25.50 | Tupone | Now I know it's not the best. I f**ed them too many times. |
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| 17:28.58 | Patlabor221 | this is why I want a clean up of the codebase before adding any new stuff. makes it a lot easyer |
| 17:30.05 | Patlabor221 | right now what wories me is that UDP seems jacked |
| 17:30.23 | Tupone | ~jacked |
| 17:30.34 | Tupone | jacked? |
| 17:30.46 | Patlabor221 | jacked! |
| 17:30.47 | Patlabor221 | not good |
| 17:30.49 | Patlabor221 | busted |
| 17:30.59 | Nidhoggr | hopefully someone can address the UDP bugs in bzflag with multiple people behind a NAT'd router. |
| 17:31.02 | Patlabor221 | nor functioning as it should |
| 17:31.09 | Patlabor221 | well right now it just dosn't work |
| 17:31.22 | Patlabor221 | nid, I think thats a think with your router, as I do it all the time. |
| 17:31.52 | Tupone | Thats why sometime I get sl Error downloading world? |
| 17:32.06 | Patlabor221 | whoooo lookit it crash when it looks for a local server |
| 17:32.10 | Nidhoggr | well, it was a known bug with some routers... not sure how to address it. |
| 17:32.19 | Patlabor221 | tupone, that is usuay you just loose connection |
| 17:32.28 | Patlabor221 | what router you have? |
| 17:32.30 | Nidhoggr | maybe linksys might actually listen |
| 17:32.45 | Patlabor221 | linksys routers are kinda crap |
| 17:32.45 | Nidhoggr | it has newest firmware, too. |
| 17:32.53 | Patlabor221 | they have poor UDP support |
| 17:33.00 | Nidhoggr | maybe the answer is to change routers. |
| 17:33.12 | Patlabor221 | works fine thru my dlink, and gigafast ones |
| 17:33.17 | Nidhoggr | but how would a dlink work with our linksys cable modem? |
| 17:33.20 | wallydog | linksys routers are shite -- UDP blows |
| 17:33.33 | Patlabor221 | it shuldn't mater nid, it's normal ethernet |
| 17:33.46 | Nidhoggr | true. |
| 17:33.57 | Nidhoggr | do the dlinks clone the Mac address? |
| 17:34.05 | Patlabor221 | they can |
| 17:34.11 | Nidhoggr | that's important with cox. |
| 17:34.27 | Patlabor221 | the gigafast can even autoupdate a dynadns address for you :) |
| 17:34.35 | Nidhoggr | heh |
| 17:34.36 | wallydog | Patlabor221: what flavor of gigafast do you have |
| 17:34.38 | Nidhoggr | cool. |
| 17:34.44 | Patlabor221 | the 4 port cheap ass one |
| 17:34.49 | wallydog | I know you linked me one day -- but I don't have that link handy |
| 17:34.51 | Nidhoggr | I wonder if I can set up my dns server to do dynamic. |
| 17:34.52 | Patlabor221 | it's running 1/2 my company |
| 17:35.17 | Nidhoggr | we only need a 1 port router... since we have a 16 port switch at home. |
| 17:35.33 | Patlabor221 | you mean your linksys dosn't fill in the dns server at dhcp time? |
| 17:36.04 | Nidhoggr | no.. I mean set my dns server to accept dynamic entries when we change IP numbers (which doesn't happen often) |
| 17:36.11 | Patlabor221 | ahh |
| 17:37.07 | Patlabor221 | this is what is running about 20 people at work |
| 17:37.08 | Patlabor221 | http://www.pcclub.com/product_detail.cfm?itemno=A5303344 |
| 17:37.14 | wallydog | ah, thx |
| 17:37.29 | Patlabor221 | after rebate it's $9.99 |
| 17:37.49 | Patlabor221 | ohh rebate ended |
| 17:38.03 | wallydog | ghod, 9.99 for a router, what a bargain! ;) |
| 17:38.28 | Patlabor221 | yeah it's wierd that the total cheap one, as been the best one I have ever used |
| 17:38.35 | Patlabor221 | most features, most stable |
| 17:38.48 | Patlabor221 | hell it even allows difrent tcp and udp routings |
| 17:38.49 | Nidhoggr | I found dlink router for 59.99 that's not bad. |
| 17:39.09 | Nidhoggr | the 4 port |
| 17:39.11 | Patlabor221 | I am using the dlink here at home now |
| 17:40.04 | wallydog | pros / cons : dlink vs. gigafast |
| 17:40.32 | Nidhoggr | do you play multiple clients on your dlink? |
| 17:40.48 | Patlabor221 | SURE |
| 17:40.58 | Patlabor221 | do it for testing and screen shots all the time |
| 17:40.59 | stibnite | mmm, yes please describe your dlink |
| 17:41.21 | Patlabor221 | the gigafast has more features and more options |
| 17:41.23 | Nidhoggr | well, I suppose we could go get a dlink, test it like crazy, and if it works, keep it... if not, return it. |
| 17:41.31 | Patlabor221 | the dlink is a more known name brand |
| 17:41.58 | Patlabor221 | the dlink I have does have a serial port and will dial a modem if net goes down tho |
| 17:42.00 | Patlabor221 | so that is nice |
| 17:42.10 | stibnite | if gigafast is anything like etherfast its just a rebranded something else |
| 17:42.17 | Nidhoggr | we don't have a dialup connection, unfortunately. :) |
| 17:42.28 | Patlabor221 | ohh I'm sure the gigafast is just an OEM rename |
| 17:42.40 | Patlabor221 | they are both web config |
| 17:42.46 | stibnite | well, i guess it would be good to find out what it really is |
| 17:42.50 | stibnite | i may be a snob |
| 17:42.58 | stibnite | but a general rule i try to follow is "not dlink" |
| 17:42.59 | Patlabor221 | and good web config not that linksys "we know your running windows" crap |
| 17:43.06 | wallydog | Patlabor221: 2 questions on the gigafast that their site does not seem to answer: 1) pppoE support, and 2) can you turn off the dhcp server? (nm about 1 it does support it) |
| 17:43.11 | Nidhoggr | I'd be interested to know what kind of routers people have who also have the multiple user bug. |
| 17:43.16 | Patlabor221 | I'll take dlink over linksys every day |
| 17:43.26 | wallydog | yes, that is one reason I will never buy linksys products again |
| 17:43.32 | Patlabor221 | fiber, yeah on both |
| 17:43.46 | wallydog | namely, browser configuration that don't work, and 2) shitty UDP support |
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| 17:43.59 | wallydog | cool, thanks |
| 17:44.16 | Patlabor221 | I have never had a linksys product that works |
| 17:44.20 | Patlabor221 | even dumb hubs |
| 17:44.33 | Nidhoggr | I've not had any problems with linksys, other than this one. |
| 17:44.59 | wallydog | I had a 16 port 10/100 switch, that died about 2 months later -- bad power adapter shipped with product -- fried jacks |
| 17:45.17 | wallydog | no return -- course -- shoulda expected that for $60 |
| 17:45.18 | wallydog | :\ |
| 17:45.39 | Nidhoggr | I think our switch is also a linksys. |
| 17:45.47 | Nidhoggr | I don't remember for sure, though. |
| 17:45.58 | Patlabor221 | linksys is just all marketing, they get into the bestbuys and comp USAs and they tell the sheep that they are better cus they cost more |
| 17:46.02 | Patlabor221 | and they look nicer |
| 17:46.04 | Patlabor221 | but they suck |
| 17:46.26 | wallydog | *nod* |
| 17:47.08 | Patlabor221 | whoooot, I think I just installed sid without issue |
| 17:47.13 | wallydog | I've had my linksys for ~2 years -- updated firmware, etc, etc -- I have _never_ been able to get UDP support working right (esp with bzflag, and >1 client simultaneously connected) |
| 17:47.22 | wallydog | good for you :) |
| 17:47.29 | wallydog | now move on to gentoo j/k |
| 17:47.44 | Nidhoggr | wally, that makes me a little more confident about getting a different router. |
| 17:47.52 | Nidhoggr | I wonder how a linux router would do. |
| 17:48.04 | Nidhoggr | I can stick another ethernet card in my fileserver. |
| 17:48.25 | Patlabor221 | just more setup I imagine |
| 17:48.28 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 17:48.29 | wallydog | Nidhoggr: well, that's probably the _ideal_ solution, but then it becomes a configuration hassle, imho |
| 17:48.35 | Nidhoggr | true |
| 17:48.39 | Nidhoggr | too much hassle. |
| 17:48.52 | wallydog | plus then you can get iptables support, etc going full bore |
| 17:49.01 | Nidhoggr | nod. |
| 17:49.19 | Patlabor221 | like I say, I have used both here. the gigafast has run our entire company, and is still running about 1/2 of it |
| 17:49.21 | Nidhoggr | I am not fond of iptables. it's just not friendly enough. |
| 17:49.32 | wallydog | that's what frontends are for ;) |
| 17:49.42 | Nidhoggr | I guess I haven't found a frontend that I like. :) |
| 17:50.13 | wallydog | there's a bunch of em -- I use a little script from when I used mandrake, which works nicely |
| 17:50.29 | wallydog | it's called ipkungfu, and if you wanna try it, it's at linuxkungfu.org |
| 17:50.57 | wallydog | very easy to change settings as well, lots of advanced options ,etc |
| 17:53.53 | Nidhoggr | I'll take a look at it. :) |
| 17:53.58 | Nidhoggr | thanks |
| 17:54.23 | wallydog | no prob |
| 17:55.32 | JBDiGriz | When did the changeover to 1.9 occur? |
| 17:55.43 | Patlabor221 | the day after g2 was done |
| 17:56.11 | JBDiGriz | Is there any difference besides the server id yet? |
| 17:56.22 | wallydog | Patlabor221: so is the new checkout command simply co bzflag << no -r v1_7 foolishness? |
| 17:56.34 | Patlabor221 | the patches that didn't make g2 were added |
| 17:56.40 | Patlabor221 | like the gameplay ones |
| 17:56.50 | Patlabor221 | and other things that would make it non compatable |
| 17:56.51 | Nidhoggr | I'm still checking out with v1_7 |
| 17:57.00 | JBDiGriz | It depends on what you want. The current head doesn't work with the 1.7 servers. |
| 17:57.01 | Patlabor221 | yes, no more -r stuff |
| 17:57.04 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 17:57.11 | wallydog | ah |
| 17:57.20 | Patlabor221 | fiber I think we shuld run a server on asgard |
| 17:57.50 | Nidhoggr | if you want, I can help with server space on dragon.org or secretplace. |
| 17:57.55 | wallydog | ooooo, hrm, |
| 17:58.07 | Patlabor221 | chestal set up one |
| 17:58.13 | wallydog | you don't think we got enough servage goin on in there? |
| 17:58.22 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 17:58.26 | Patlabor221 | well I don't think it will be used that much |
| 17:58.29 | Nidhoggr | ~secretplace |
| 17:58.38 | wallydog | ah, a 'testing' server ? |
| 17:58.40 | Patlabor221 | but maybe it would be better on nids servers |
| 17:58.41 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 17:58.44 | Patlabor221 | noone will play |
| 17:58.46 | JBDiGriz | I was just wandering around the new one. Not too much happening right now! |
| 17:58.48 | Patlabor221 | well cept us |
| 17:59.01 | Nidhoggr | heh |
| 17:59.12 | wallydog | Patlabor221: does it use the cvs bzfs code? |
| 17:59.13 | Patlabor221 | well jbd right now I'm trying to figure out why net is totaly jacked |
| 17:59.16 | wallydog | or 1.7g2 code |
| 17:59.26 | Patlabor221 | fiber? who? |
| 17:59.33 | wallydog | asgard |
| 17:59.38 | Patlabor221 | asgard dosn't have a server |
| 17:59.44 | Patlabor221 | I was pondering running one |
| 17:59.46 | Patlabor221 | for 1.9 |
| 17:59.51 | wallydog | that's what I meant |
| 17:59.51 | JBDiGriz | Patlabor221: Is that your connection, or something across the Internet? |
| 17:59.52 | wallydog | ;) |
| 17:59.56 | Patlabor221 | t1 |
| 18:00.05 | Patlabor221 | or I could run one here |
| 18:00.16 | Patlabor221 | we had what 6 people here with no prob that one day? |
| 18:00.48 | Nidhoggr | what does 1.9 have different so far? |
| 18:00.55 | Patlabor221 | game types |
| 18:00.58 | Nidhoggr | ah |
| 18:01.05 | Patlabor221 | udp changes |
| 18:01.10 | Nidhoggr | is 1.9 something I can check out and compile now? |
| 18:01.11 | Patlabor221 | and some other stuff I think |
| 18:01.14 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 18:01.17 | Nidhoggr | what's different with UDP? |
| 18:01.18 | Patlabor221 | just don't do the -r |
| 18:01.26 | Patlabor221 | got rid of multicast |
| 18:01.32 | Patlabor221 | and went to 1 port I think |
| 18:01.49 | Nidhoggr | hrm. I get "end of file from server" |
| 18:01.54 | Tupone | Patlabor221: how to remove a link on wiki? I wrote PlatformFactory and he think is a link! |
| 18:01.58 | Nidhoggr | cvs.bzflag.org |
| 18:02.07 | Patlabor221 | just edit the page |
| 18:02.13 | Patlabor221 | nid, anon CVS is "wierd" |
| 18:02.28 | Patlabor221 | cap was gonna try to get asgard to do snapshots |
| 18:02.43 | Nidhoggr | it's exactly the same command line except for the -r? |
| 18:02.59 | Nidhoggr | and do I need the v1_9? |
| 18:03.07 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 18:03.10 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 18:03.12 | Patlabor221 | 1.9 is head |
| 18:03.22 | Patlabor221 | no -r no v_anything |
| 18:03.28 | JBDiGriz | You don't need the v1_9 or the -r |
| 18:03.31 | Patlabor221 | just co bzflag |
| 18:03.37 | Patlabor221 | it now works just like it says on SF |
| 18:03.50 | Nidhoggr | ah'cool |
| 18:03.51 | wallydog | hooray |
| 18:04.04 | Patlabor221 | tho anon will be 1-2 days old |
| 18:04.18 | guruzi | when i start bzflag, it does not go fullscreen but stays at lower left and uses about 2/3 of my screen and x is still on the rest. what can i do? |
| 18:05.09 | Patlabor221 | what OS? |
| 18:05.31 | guruzi | gentoo linux |
| 18:05.38 | CIA | commit by jeffm2501: No more drive thu pyramids |
| 18:05.53 | Patlabor221 | have heard that before, don't know the real solution, probably vid drivers |
| 18:06.25 | Patlabor221 | some people do a -window -geometry HxV where H and V are the size of there screen |
| 18:06.29 | Patlabor221 | but that's kind of a hack |
| 18:07.01 | wallydog | guruzi: try cp .bzflag bzflag-old-config << then re-run bzflag |
| 18:09.54 | ak|ra | Mayhem: there? |
| 18:14.19 | Patlabor221 | linux dosn't have stricmp does it? |
| 18:14.50 | wallydog | dunno |
| 18:15.19 | ak|ra | stricmp? |
| 18:15.26 | ak|ra | whats that? |
| 18:15.27 | Nidhoggr | is there going to be an alternative to drive through pyramids? some other objects or object parameter? |
| 18:15.59 | Patlabor221 | case insenstive comp |
| 18:16.03 | Patlabor221 | nid, I am doing that now |
| 18:16.09 | Nidhoggr | cool :) |
| 18:16.14 | Patlabor221 | tankpassthur and shotpassthru |
| 18:16.24 | Nidhoggr | most excellent. |
| 18:16.34 | Nidhoggr | will that work for all objects? |
| 18:16.42 | Patlabor221 | that's the plan stan |
| 18:16.44 | ak|ra | Patlabor221: its the same like first lowercase and then compare? |
| 18:17.00 | Patlabor221 | yeah basicly akira |
| 18:17.12 | Patlabor221 | we just have it in one func |
| 18:17.26 | Patlabor221 | tho I don't know if windows has the lowercase thing |
| 18:17.31 | Patlabor221 | we have struppr |
| 18:18.40 | ak|ra | strncasecmp |
| 18:19.20 | Patlabor221 | ahh |
| 18:19.21 | Patlabor221 | cool |
| 18:19.29 | *** join/#bzflag Secret_Hamster (piffle@pc2-mfld3-5-cust201.nott.cable.ntl.com) |
| 18:19.33 | Patlabor221 | I'll just make a little func SameWord |
| 18:20.42 | Patlabor221 | what is the fomat for that? |
| 18:20.48 | ak|ra | for what? |
| 18:20.53 | ak|ra | the function? |
| 18:21.00 | ak|ra | do you have a linuxbox? |
| 18:21.01 | Patlabor221 | ohh it's a strn |
| 18:21.06 | Patlabor221 | not that works et |
| 18:21.14 | Patlabor221 | is there a strcasecmp? |
| 18:21.23 | Patlabor221 | with no n |
| 18:21.44 | Tupone | there are both! with and without n |
| 18:21.57 | Patlabor221 | I'm wondering if I can just #define it as stricmp on windows |
| 18:22.17 | Tupone | int strcasecmp(const char *s1, const char *s2); |
| 18:22.38 | Patlabor221 | and 0 is they are the same? |
| 18:23.02 | Tupone | The strcasecmp() and strncasecmp() functions return an integer less |
| 18:23.11 | Tupone | than, equal to, or greater than zero if s1 (or the first n bytes |
| 18:23.23 | Tupone | thereof) is found, respectively, to be less than, to match, or be |
| 18:23.25 | Patlabor221 | ok good, it's the same |
| 18:25.09 | Tupone | at: I wrote those stuff in Work in Progress. can you read it to say if they are understandable :) Sorry my problem |
| 18:25.19 | Tupone | I mean Pat: |
| 18:27.14 | Patlabor221 | I would have perhaps put the large descriptions in there own page |
| 18:27.15 | Patlabor221 | but sure |
| 18:27.29 | learner | thx for the link, girl |
| 18:27.53 | Tupone | Patlabor221: thanx! I leave now |
| 18:27.59 | *** part/#bzflag Tupone (~Tupone@ppp-217-133-161-65.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) |
| 18:28.46 | ak|ra | Patlabor221: linux box around? man string |
| 18:29.18 | Patlabor221 | my linux mchine dosn't work |
| 18:29.21 | Patlabor221 | otherwise I would have |
| 18:29.46 | wallydog | thought you said deb went off without a hitch? |
| 18:30.10 | Patlabor221 | so I thought |
| 18:30.36 | Patlabor221 | now it just keeps trying to start X and it can't cus I haven't set it up yet |
| 18:31.02 | wallydog | ah |
| 18:31.09 | wallydog | use the cli, luke ;) |
| 18:31.15 | Patlabor221 | I would if I could get to it |
| 18:31.29 | wallydog | ctrl-alt-f1 |
| 18:31.30 | Patlabor221 | it keeps trying to start X over and over and over again |
| 18:31.37 | Patlabor221 | nope |
| 18:31.40 | JBDiGriz | reboot single user |
| 18:31.43 | Patlabor221 | tried all of them |
| 18:31.43 | wallydog | hrmph |
| 18:31.52 | Patlabor221 | can't get to any prompt to go single user |
| 18:32.08 | wallydog | edit /etc/inittab once you reboot |
| 18:32.18 | Patlabor221 | I CAN"T GET TO A PROMPT! |
| 18:32.20 | wallydog | change defaultrunlevel to 3 instead of 5 |
| 18:32.23 | Patlabor221 | so I can't edit ANYTHING |
| 18:32.29 | wallydog | press the power button, smart guy |
| 18:32.32 | wallydog | ;) |
| 18:32.33 | Patlabor221 | if I could I would jsut fix X |
| 18:32.34 | JBDiGriz | <ctrl><alt><del> should get you to a boot prompt |
| 18:32.41 | Patlabor221 | it dosn't |
| 18:33.01 | Patlabor221 | it will just reboot and the first thing it does is startX |
| 18:33.14 | wallydog | there is no lilo: or grub: prompt? |
| 18:33.16 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 18:33.23 | wallydog | which bootloader does deb use |
| 18:33.27 | Patlabor221 | lilo |
| 18:33.32 | Patlabor221 | I have no menu for it |
| 18:33.48 | wallydog | ah - so you set your default, and made it immediate, I assume |
| 18:33.56 | Patlabor221 | so it seems |
| 18:34.18 | Patlabor221 | gonna try sshin into it, if I can figure out it's IP |
| 18:34.19 | wallydog | reboot off of a cd, and then mount /dev/hda1 or whatever your root partition is on |
| 18:34.39 | wallydog | if it started sshd as well :\ |
| 18:34.54 | Patlabor221 | I told it to auto start sshd |
| 18:35.01 | wallydog | ah, well that's good |
| 18:35.11 | Patlabor221 | I am not as stupid as I look :) |
| 18:35.57 | Patlabor221 | it has to be 101 or 103 |
| 18:36.04 | wallydog | ping it |
| 18:36.26 | Patlabor221 | that's what I'm doin |
| 18:36.27 | wallydog | this is why I never boot into runlevel 5 by default |
| 18:36.50 | Patlabor221 | yeah soory I expected my OS to work. my bad. |
| 18:36.55 | wallydog | bah - |
| 18:37.06 | wallydog | it does, you must configure, grasshopper |
| 18:37.13 | wallydog | lol |
| 18:37.23 | Patlabor221 | I set it to base vga |
| 18:37.27 | Patlabor221 | one would think that would work |
| 18:37.55 | Patlabor221 | at least redhat would stop trying after like 5 trys |
| 18:37.58 | wallydog | depends on the xconfig -- you set the horiz and vert refresh for monitor too? but this is off topic |
| 18:38.16 | Patlabor221 | I did, and they were fine, it's not loading the video driver properl |
| 18:38.26 | wallydog | ah |
| 18:39.51 | Patlabor221 | yay unable to mount root FS on 03:05 |
| 18:39.53 | Patlabor221 | how fun |
| 18:40.03 | wallydog | lol |
| 18:40.37 | wallydog | reboot with the cd and see if there's a 'rescue' mode or somesuch thing |
| 18:40.56 | Patlabor221 | that was with the rescue CD |
| 18:41.03 | wallydog | neat |
| 18:41.10 | Patlabor221 | yup |
| 18:41.16 | wallydog | does mount list it as already mounted? |
| 18:41.36 | Patlabor221 | that was during boot |
| 18:41.38 | Patlabor221 | then it hangs |
| 18:42.11 | wallydog | really, so a rescue boot kernel image can't mount the root partition? hrm |
| 18:42.33 | Patlabor221 | so it seems |
| 18:43.25 | wallydog | start over, it would seem - sounds like a partition table got hosered -- did you run /sbin/lilo when you installed the bootloader? I suppose deb handles that automagically, though |
| 18:43.43 | Patlabor221 | but when it boots to the drive it mounts |
| 18:43.59 | wallydog | well, hang on then |
| 18:44.16 | wallydog | but you are unable to get to a lilo: prompt, correct? |
| 18:44.25 | Patlabor221 | yup |
| 18:44.53 | wallydog | hrmph... urhm... |
| 18:45.32 | wallydog | you still have a gentoo liveCD lying around? |
| 18:45.41 | Patlabor221 | I can see the console login for like 3 seconds |
| 18:47.50 | wallydog | if you do have a liveCD, try booting offa that, and then mount / in /mnt/gentoo/, then we can edit /etc/inittab to put you in runlevel 3 anyway |
| 18:47.59 | sussudio | ~gentoo |
| 18:47.59 | | it has been said that gentoo is a high-performance ports-based Linux metadistribution for x86, PowerPC, Sparc and Sparc64 systems. Its got a ports like system. It rules all other inferior distributions. And he reminds me of BSD |
| 18:48.19 | wallydog | lol |
| 18:48.31 | Patlabor221 | if I can get to a propmpt I can fix x and have no problems |
| 18:48.34 | sussudio | hm factoid by brainwashedgentoofanboy |
| 18:48.58 | bzgirl | Patlabor221: reboot and type "single" at the boot prompt |
| 18:49.09 | wallydog | there is no boot prompt |
| 18:49.12 | Patlabor221 | I don't get a boot prompt |
| 18:49.18 | bzgirl | heh |
| 18:49.40 | Patlabor221 | wow how many debian boot disks did I make |
| 18:49.47 | sussudio | one? |
| 18:49.51 | Patlabor221 | 9 |
| 18:49.52 | bzgirl | do you get a lilo screenat all? |
| 18:49.54 | sussudio | why |
| 18:50.04 | Patlabor221 | I have no clue why |
| 18:50.08 | wallydog | well, if you're booting into runlevel 5 (i.e. X), by default, and you have no boot prompt), then you must use a CD to recover from this, mount root, and edit a couple things |
| 18:50.11 | Patlabor221 | no I see no lilo |
| 18:50.30 | sussudio | http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/gentoo.txt |
| 18:50.30 | *** join/#bzflag RinzeWind (~chema@213.37.210.116) |
| 18:50.33 | Patlabor221 | ooo I got one |
| 18:50.53 | wallydog | sussudio: I've seen that about 16 times so far ;) |
| 18:51.05 | sussudio | go for #17 |
| 18:51.06 | Patlabor221 | but is said there was no "single" image |
| 18:51.19 | wallydog | try passing init=3 to the kernel |
| 18:51.52 | ak|ra | Patlabor221: what are you tring to do? setup gentoo? |
| 18:51.58 | Patlabor221 | damn now I don't know how I got the boot scren |
| 18:52.02 | wallydog | no, recover his X |
| 18:52.11 | wallydog | and boot into runlevel 3 by default |
| 18:52.40 | Patlabor221 | I don't want to boot to a prompt by default |
| 18:52.47 | wallydog | for now, man, for now |
| 18:53.02 | wallydog | so you can actually get something accomplished on your box ;) |
| 18:53.09 | Patlabor221 | got it's IP I'm cool now :) |
| 18:53.35 | wallydog | so you can ssh into it? |
| 18:53.44 | Patlabor221 | yup |
| 18:53.48 | wallydog | cool |
| 18:54.00 | Patlabor221 | how do I kill X? |
| 18:54.05 | sussudio | ctrl-alt-backspace |
| 18:54.19 | ak|ra | alt strg f1 |
| 18:54.22 | Patlabor221 | don't think that works on a terminal |
| 18:54.28 | Patlabor221 | akira I am in a ssh session |
| 18:54.29 | bzgirl | via ssh you mean |
| 18:54.31 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 18:54.34 | Patlabor221 | with kill |
| 18:54.37 | ak|ra | then kill X |
| 18:54.39 | sussudio | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:54.44 | ak|ra | is a xdm/wdm/kdm runing? |
| 18:54.54 | Patlabor221 | gdm problably |
| 18:54.59 | ak|ra | ps ist |
| 18:55.00 | ak|ra | ps it |
| 18:55.36 | ak|ra | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:56.35 | Patlabor221 | ahh thanks |
| 18:57.39 | wallydog | that gdm thing respawing all the time, iirc may be because it can't find a hostname -- |
| 18:58.31 | Mayhem | Can someone fix the permissions on http://sfsnap.babylonia.flatirons.org/ ? |
| 18:59.14 | wallydog | why, can't get to it? |
| 18:59.40 | Mayhem | can get to it, but can't download the files. try it. |
| 18:59.58 | Patlabor221 | works for me |
| 19:00.22 | bzgirl | and me |
| 19:00.28 | wallydog | same here -- perhaps you're trying to write the save to a directory you don't have permissions for? |
| 19:00.31 | ak|ra | Patlabor221: what now? |
| 19:00.37 | Mayhem | Forbidden |
| 19:00.37 | Mayhem | You don't have permission to access /bzflag-2003-06-22-12:05:37.tar.gz on this server. |
| 19:01.04 | Patlabor221 | yeah that one don't work for me |
| 19:01.06 | Patlabor221 | but the others do |
| 19:01.13 | Mayhem | only one works for me |
| 19:01.18 | Patlabor221 | yeah only 1 |
| 19:01.23 | Patlabor221 | that's caps server |
| 19:03.07 | ak|ra | Patlabor221: what do you want do now? |
| 19:04.03 | Patlabor221 | well I was thinkin of maybe going to the mall and see if the cute girl at the movie store was there. |
| 19:04.11 | wallydog | lol |
| 19:04.15 | bzgirl | ;-) |
| 19:04.29 | sussudio | ah the weekly stalk |
| 19:04.38 | Patlabor221 | naw no stalking |
| 19:05.07 | Patlabor221 | she allways remembers me at the store tho. |
| 19:05.21 | wallydog | kfj mojo in action |
| 19:05.35 | Patlabor221 | hah, last time I was there, I wore it too |
| 19:05.39 | wallydog | lol |
| 19:06.02 | wallydog | women cannot escape the power of the kfj mojo |
| 19:06.20 | Patlabor221 | well maybe if they get a head start |
| 19:06.35 | wallydog | 'oooooooo, he just looks so .............. badass!' ;) |
| 19:06.48 | ak|ra | :) so you are fine with your gentoo box now?? |
| 19:06.56 | wallydog | it's a deb box |
| 19:07.05 | ak|ra | dont forget to do a rc-update del gdm ... |
| 19:07.08 | ak|ra | ist debian? |
| 19:07.14 | Patlabor221 | yes it's deb |
| 19:07.34 | Patlabor221 | fiber is just a gentoo freak |
| 19:07.44 | sussudio | or you could do it right |
| 19:07.48 | wallydog | phbbt, i like all distros equally |
| 19:07.55 | sussudio | update-rc.d -f gdm remove |
| 19:08.18 | Patlabor221 | I like gdm |
| 19:08.30 | Patlabor221 | I do not fear things I do not understand like most others |
| 19:09.47 | ak|ra | :) |
| 19:09.59 | ak|ra | ok, then i couldnt help you not to boot in grafical mode |
| 19:10.17 | wallydog | your hostname is set right? I don't think it's an X issue |
| 19:10.23 | Patlabor221 | it's problem just is that X is not set up properly |
| 19:10.27 | Patlabor221 | I am fixing the setup |
| 19:11.18 | ak|ra | nvidia? |
| 19:11.56 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 19:20.27 | Mayhem | How can I take a screenshot in bz? |
| 19:20.52 | Patlabor221 | what OS? |
| 19:20.56 | Mayhem | linux |
| 19:21.00 | Patlabor221 | that I don't know |
| 19:21.01 | Mayhem | gimp? |
| 19:21.02 | ak|ra | Mayhem: i included once a small videorecorder :) |
| 19:21.13 | ak|ra | but forget where this piece of code is on my hd |
| 19:21.19 | Mayhem | but there is no in-game screenshot key? |
| 19:21.27 | Patlabor221 | IIRC BZ will not save a SS it'self |
| 19:21.28 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 19:21.33 | Patlabor221 | it's from the OS |
| 19:21.50 | ak|ra | Patlabor221: whats the problem at the moment with your x? do you compiled the nvidia-stuff right? |
| 19:21.54 | scanline | ak|ra: hehe, you got my video recorder working in bzflag? |
| 19:22.32 | Patlabor221 | akira, I am seting it up now |
| 19:22.33 | ak|ra | scanline: yep |
| 19:22.36 | Patlabor221 | from some debs |
| 19:22.48 | scanline | ak|ra: so when's it showing up in CVS? :) |
| 19:22.51 | ak|ra | scanline: was the time i included it in my app and into a opensg-node |
| 19:23.13 | ak|ra | scanline: it was a bit slow and i am trying to change it to libavcodec from time to time |
| 19:23.32 | scanline | eh.. libavcodec won't help if it's slow |
| 19:23.44 | scanline | rtjpeg is faster than ffmpeg |
| 19:23.47 | ak|ra | yep, but i want to have more codecs :) |
| 19:23.52 | bzgirl | Mayhem: what desktop do you use? |
| 19:23.58 | ak|ra | scanline: yep |
| 19:24.11 | Mayhem | bzgirl: openbox :) |
| 19:24.14 | ak|ra | scanline: i now got a fx5600 so perhaps i am trying it again with nuppel |
| 19:24.24 | ak|ra | bzgirl: fluxbox :)) |
| 19:24.49 | bzgirl | Mayhem: you can bind a key in your window manger to run a script... then in the script use import -window root blah blah |
| 19:24.54 | Patlabor221 | the FX5600 seems to be the bang for buck card these days |
| 19:25.08 | ak|ra | Patlabor221: guess so too |
| 19:25.25 | Patlabor221 | 128 meg or 256 meg? |
| 19:25.26 | ak|ra | its the perfect card for paying not THAT much as a 58/900 |
| 19:25.29 | bzgirl | Mayhem: so long as that key combo isnt used by BZ it'll work, i used alt+prnt screen |
| 19:25.30 | ak|ra | 256 meg |
| 19:25.40 | ak|ra | not the ultra version |
| 19:25.48 | Patlabor221 | how much? |
| 19:25.59 | ak|ra | but with all the nice features. around 200 euros / $ |
| 19:26.17 | ak|ra | 210 to be exactly .. sparkle somewhat |
| 19:26.37 | Mayhem | bzgirl: thanks, wasn't aware of the import command |
| 19:26.53 | bzgirl | Mayhem: its part of the image magic suite |
| 19:26.59 | ak|ra | bzgirl: good point |
| 19:28.58 | scanline | imagemagick |
| 19:30.00 | Patlabor221 | and it even worked |
| 19:30.06 | breadhat | hah |
| 19:30.46 | breadhat | question: how is one supposed to use a joystick for shooting games? :P |
| 19:31.01 | Patlabor221 | awww look at that nvidia logo |
| 19:31.07 | ak|ra | some suggestions for good music? |
| 19:31.10 | breadhat | heh |
| 19:31.19 | Patlabor221 | the BFOJ |
| 19:31.29 | wallydog | heh |
| 19:31.38 | breadhat | ak|ra: hmm, mozart, bach, etc |
| 19:32.35 | ak|ra | something harder :) |
| 19:32.50 | Patlabor221 | BFOJ I tell you |
| 19:32.51 | breadhat | tomita |
| 19:33.04 | bzgirl | yeah BFOJ for sure :) |
| 19:33.09 | ak|ra | bfoj? |
| 19:33.24 | Patlabor221 | Big Folder o' Justice |
| 19:33.44 | scanline | you mean /navi/public/media/audio? |
| 19:33.49 | Patlabor221 | similar |
| 19:33.55 | Patlabor221 | very similar |
| 19:33.56 | breadhat | hehehehe |
| 19:34.13 | Patlabor221 | but way cooler |
| 19:34.20 | breadhat | scanline: you wouldnt happen to be shareing that folder.. would ya? :P |
| 19:34.22 | bzgirl | ~bfoj |
| 19:34.23 | | [bfoj] Big Folder o' Justice |
| 19:34.29 | scanline | breadhat: sort of... |
| 19:34.33 | ak|ra | ~tool |
| 19:34.34 | | hmm... tool is travis_143cw's favorite band ever, no christian artist is that talented. period. |
| 19:34.34 | scanline | breadhat: but not really |
| 19:34.43 | breadhat | heh |
| 19:34.51 | ak|ra | how do i tell ibot about THE tool-guys? :)) |
| 19:34.55 | scanline | and it's not a folder :P |
| 19:35.15 | breadhat | yea yea, its.. a directory |
| 19:35.41 | scanline | http://navi.picogui.org/cgi-bin/disks <-- a big directory :) |
| 19:35.42 | Patlabor221 | it's a drive actulay |
| 19:35.52 | scanline | no... |
| 19:35.55 | scanline | it's 5 drives |
| 19:35.59 | breadhat | hahaha |
| 19:35.59 | Patlabor221 | yours is, mine is not |
| 19:36.06 | Patlabor221 | how much total space? |
| 19:36.19 | scanline | it says on that disks page, 453GB |
| 19:36.31 | Patlabor221 | pfffft, that's all? |
| 19:36.39 | breadhat | huh |
| 19:36.39 | scanline | well, so far |
| 19:36.44 | scanline | captain_proton and I will be upgrading it soon |
| 19:36.46 | breadhat | its asking to download /disks :) |
| 19:37.03 | scanline | breadhat: your web browser doesn't understand text/plain? |
| 19:37.04 | Patlabor221 | yeah, I've been seeing what kind of deals we can get on 120's for you |
| 19:37.13 | scanline | Patlabor221: we're actually planning on using 160s now |
| 19:37.17 | scanline | they're cheaper |
| 19:37.29 | Patlabor221 | ok |
| 19:37.39 | sussudio | i'm getting a 120 next week. it's 150 euro or something |
| 19:37.54 | scanline | sussudio: you're paying too much probably |
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| 19:38.12 | sussudio | "paying too much" is relative. |
| 19:38.13 | breadhat | its supposed to be like, 1 dollars a gig |
| 19:38.25 | scanline | pricewatch has 160GBs for $116 |
| 19:38.27 | Patlabor221 | damn we are out of the segate 120's and 160's |
| 19:38.28 | sussudio | it's 150 for the store a few miles from here... |
| 19:38.35 | Chestal | scanline: I've noticed that curent browser do not display text/plain anymore |
| 19:38.36 | breadhat | wow |
| 19:38.40 | Patlabor221 | our 7200 rpm 120's were like 90$ |
| 19:38.42 | sussudio | or 120 for a storeless guy 20 miles away |
| 19:38.43 | Chestal | scanline: or at least most of them |
| 19:38.54 | scanline | Chestal: oh? it works fine in mozilla |
| 19:39.07 | scanline | though I suppose I could just use that as an excuse to make the page more fancy :) |
| 19:39.29 | Chestal | I have a script generatign a etxt/plain answer, and it didn't work with IE, and when I upgraded my galeon it stopped workign there, too I think |
| 19:39.41 | sussudio | i want a WD too, not a maxtor. |
| 19:39.59 | wallydog | why not a maxtor? |
| 19:40.01 | scanline | when you have RAID-5, it doesn't matter how crappy the disks are :) |
| 19:40.08 | sussudio | 1 year warranty my ass. |
| 19:40.19 | Patlabor221 | samsung is offering 3 year warantys on all there drives now |
| 19:40.27 | sussudio | samsung :-P |
| 19:40.37 | wallydog | deathstars lol |
| 19:40.56 | sussudio | i have a 80GB WD now i got last year and it works good. |
| 19:41.05 | breadhat | now samsungs I have seen die a painfull death :P |
| 19:41.17 | sussudio | you havent seen any samsungs, doug. |
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| 19:41.39 | breadhat | came in my emachine :) |
| 19:42.08 | Mayhem | Funky-cool image corruption with bz cvs: http://homepages.zen.co.uk/zen13666/bz/ |
| 19:42.35 | Patlabor221 | wow |
| 19:42.40 | Patlabor221 | somone busted texture loaders |
| 19:42.52 | wallydog | that's pretty cool lookin actually ;) |
| 19:42.57 | Mayhem | It starts off ok, but goes like that... |
| 19:43.35 | ak|ra | Mayhem: z-buffer issues it seems |
| 19:43.57 | Mayhem | might be my video card is tired after rtcw-et :) |
| 19:44.00 | scanline | ok, http://navi.picogui.org/cgi-bin/disks produces HTML now |
| 19:44.04 | Patlabor221 | no it's texture alpha |
| 19:44.16 | ak|ra | looks really weired |
| 19:44.19 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 19:44.20 | ak|ra | Patlabor221: might be right |
| 19:44.28 | Patlabor221 | the textures have goten borked |
| 19:44.37 | Patlabor221 | the pyrmaid is using the flag texture |
| 19:44.49 | sussudio | the WD1200JB 7200/8MB is between 119-168 euro on the local pricewatch site here... |
| 19:45.02 | sussudio | including tax, excluding shipping |
| 19:45.11 | sussudio | tax is 19% :-| |
| 19:45.38 | Patlabor221 | move |
| 19:45.39 | Mayhem | notice the hud text is corrupt too... |
| 19:45.57 | Patlabor221 | the ground is jacked |
| 19:46.05 | sussudio | so i'm thinking 140-150 is reasonable for a store that's within 10 mins from here |
| 19:46.34 | sussudio | i paid 212 last year for my 80GB :-| |
| 19:54.15 | ak|ra | groove armada i doesnt like so much :) |
| 19:55.09 | Patlabor221 | pffffft, then you are stupid :p |
| 19:55.13 | sussudio | you cant judge groove armada by 1 song. they make each song in a different genre. |
| 19:55.14 | bzgirl | ak|ra: dont talk bad about groove armada |
| 19:55.37 | larsl_56k | "By the river", "Dusk, you and me", "Inside my mind". =) |
| 19:55.48 | bzgirl | theyre awesome |
| 19:56.02 | Patlabor221 | it's all good |
| 19:56.05 | sussudio | "by the river" and "superstyling" sound like 2 different bands |
| 19:56.23 | larsl_56k | I prefer their downtempo stuff. |
| 19:56.39 | sussudio | you cant get more downtempo than "by the river". it's like 5BPM |
| 19:57.52 | ak|ra | i just said i dont like them very much :) |
| 19:57.59 | ak|ra | i like amon tobin more :) |
| 19:58.06 | bzgirl | ak|ra: hallucinegen -alpha centuri |
| 19:58.26 | ak|ra | bzgirl: u know what i like most in music .. some similar hints? |
| 19:58.45 | Patlabor221 | the oakenfold kicks |
| 19:59.36 | wallydog | oakenfold, tiesto, hallucinogen, orbital, aphex twin, can't remember the rest on my machine ... |
| 19:59.47 | sussudio | COMETODADDY |
| 20:00.59 | bzgirl | ak|ra: fatboyslim -Sho' Nuff is a fave of mine too |
| 20:01.23 | bzgirl | ak|ra: but i dont like that MM stuff you dig :) |
| 20:02.39 | ak|ra | bzgirl: but the tool and nin stuff :) |
| 20:02.59 | bzgirl | ak|ra: eww |
| 20:05.38 | Nidhoggr | are there help files for the /help command in cvs? |
| 20:05.56 | Patlabor221 | I don't think so |
| 20:07.07 | Chestal | Nidhoggr: you coudl always use bzfs.cxx :-) |
| 20:09.23 | Mayhem | Can someone explain why ShotEnd messages are necessary? |
| 20:11.46 | Patlabor221 | lag |
| 20:12.06 | Patlabor221 | if somone was laged enough that there shot trajectory was off, and the shot had ended |
| 20:12.07 | Mayhem | faster than waiting for the Killed message? |
| 20:12.15 | Patlabor221 | what if it didn't kill |
| 20:12.20 | Patlabor221 | hit a shield |
| 20:12.24 | Patlabor221 | or a wall |
| 20:12.29 | Patlabor221 | and you didn't see that hit |
| 20:12.34 | Patlabor221 | cus you were laged |
| 20:12.49 | Patlabor221 | the end would stop the shot, so it couldn't hit you and you die when you realy shouln't |
| 20:12.59 | Mayhem | ok, shield explains it. don't think shotEnd is sent on hitting a wall |
| 20:13.43 | Chestal | it's also used for GM, not sure if it's really necessary in most cases |
| 20:13.45 | Patlabor221 | why does SF sell viagra? |
| 20:14.58 | sussudio | ~google for why does SF sell viagra |
| 20:15.03 | Noodlebot | Has anyone tried the geneirc Viagra and/or Cialis : sf red book, http://www.myredbook.net/dcforum2/general/29892.html |
| 20:15.03 | Noodlebot | Alumni News (The Colgate Scene), http://www.colgate.edu/scene/july2001/notes/96.html |
| 20:15.03 | Noodlebot | [IMC-sf] The Weekly Spin, http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/imc-sf/2003-January/005067.html |
| 20:17.33 | Nidhoggr | it might be cool to have an option in bzfs if a person rejoins too many times in a short amount of time to clear out there score, it won't let them back on for a timeout period. |
| 20:18.12 | Nidhoggr | it gets old to have someone quit and rejoin 15-20 times or more in a row, just because someone killed them. |
| 20:18.15 | Patlabor221 | that has been talked about |
| 20:18.32 | Nidhoggr | or have it cache their score for 10 minutes. :) |
| 20:18.45 | Patlabor221 | a score/position cahce would be cool |
| 20:18.49 | Mayhem | caching score would be useful |
| 20:18.54 | Patlabor221 | and position |
| 20:18.58 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 20:19.03 | Mayhem | position? |
| 20:19.04 | Patlabor221 | for those CTF< lets get back to base fast |
| 20:19.09 | Mayhem | ah |
| 20:19.18 | Nidhoggr | that's annoying, too. |
| 20:19.20 | Patlabor221 | yeah if you relog you come back righ were you were |
| 20:19.38 | Patlabor221 | tho that means the server has to calc spawns |
| 20:19.48 | Mayhem | which it needs to do anyway |
| 20:20.05 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 20:20.20 | Mayhem | to stop people spawning on top of each other at the same time |
| 20:21.22 | Patlabor221 | all sorts of stuff |
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| 20:23.37 | *** part/#bzflag tapo (~tapo@B25ed.pppool.de) |
| 20:23.45 | Patlabor221 | wow, now we need to set this up for BZ |
| 20:23.46 | Patlabor221 | http://members.chello.nl/%7Es.ferris/ |
| 20:25.40 | bzgirl | wouldnt a small aircraft be cheaper? |
| 20:25.48 | Mayhem | or real flying lessons... |
| 20:26.05 | scanline | nah, I bet you could get all that hardware fairly cheap |
| 20:26.12 | scanline | though it might be as loud as a real aircraft |
| 20:26.18 | scanline | :p |
| 20:28.24 | Patlabor221 | gawd he did it on win 98, how crude |
| 20:30.30 | sussudio | ~eat dalnet |
| 20:30.31 | | ACTION eats dalnet and falls over dead |
| 20:30.44 | Patlabor221 | now ofcourse autogen dosn't work for me now :( |
| 20:32.52 | Patlabor221 | aclocal: /usr/share/aclocal/lib-prefix.m4: 16 duplicated macro 'AC_LIB_ARG_WITH' |
| 20:44.14 | Chestal | Plat: uh? which platform/compiler? |
| 20:44.24 | Patlabor221 | debian sid |
| 20:44.37 | Patlabor221 | it says I have the latest stuff |
| 20:44.49 | Chestal | uhm |
| 20:44.51 | Chestal | works for me |
| 20:45.15 | Patlabor221 | looks to be 3.3 |
| 20:45.26 | Chestal | automake 1.7.5? |
| 20:45.28 | Patlabor221 | maybe I am missing something |
| 20:45.46 | Patlabor221 | 1.4-p4 |
| 20:46.49 | Chestal | actualy, I have 3 different automakes |
| 20:46.56 | Patlabor221 | i just tried to do the sh autogen.sh and it gives me that |
| 20:47.04 | Chestal | but 1.7.5 is the one which is used by default |
| 20:47.22 | Patlabor221 | I did an automake --version and thats what it gave me |
| 20:47.27 | Chestal | hmm, I'm lying, here at home I only got 1.7.5 |
| 20:47.32 | Chestal | but shoudl work with 1.4, too |
| 20:47.38 | Chestal | just wondering why you have 1.4 |
| 20:48.00 | Chestal | sid should have 1.4, 1.5, 1.6 and 1.7 :-) |
| 20:48.12 | Patlabor221 | apt-get says I have the latest |
| 20:48.12 | Chestal | but on my office PC it works with 1.4 |
| 20:48.16 | Patlabor221 | odd |
| 20:48.21 | Chestal | those are different packages |
| 20:48.27 | Chestal | you can istall them in parallel if you feel the need to |
| 20:48.30 | sussudio | Chestal : sid does |
| 20:49.10 | Patlabor221 | how does it know what one to use? |
| 20:49.20 | sussudio | whatever one you install :-0 |
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| 20:49.45 | Chikorita | hi teamies |
| 20:49.46 | Chestal | Patlabor: this is handled by /et/alternatives |
| 20:49.46 | Patlabor221 | so how do I tell it to insall 1.7? |
| 20:49.52 | Chestal | /etc/ |
| 20:49.54 | learner | Hi, Chika |
| 20:49.59 | Chikorita | mayhem ? learner? |
| 20:50.08 | Chikorita | yay youre there :) |
| 20:50.11 | Chestal | PaT: either use dselect, or apt-get install automake1.7 |
| 20:50.12 | JBDiGriz | learner: Did you make some changes to the Mac build? |
| 20:50.19 | learner | since when, jb? |
| 20:50.24 | Chestal | Pat: should still work with 1.4 :-| |
| 20:50.32 | JBDiGriz | since last thursday |
| 20:50.35 | Chikorita | BiPs is on ducati right now |
| 20:50.39 | Chikorita | *hint hint* |
| 20:50.40 | Chikorita | ;) |
| 20:50.43 | learner | I haven't commited anything, if that's what you mean, jb |
| 20:50.52 | learner | ~d |
| 20:51.06 | sussudio | oh whoopee. bips. i can't wait to do /lagstats :-P |
| 20:51.10 | JBDiGriz | It looks like a few warnings went away, and I didn't change anything. |
| 20:51.23 | learner | ah, my patch fixed a couple pre g2, jb |
| 20:51.23 | Chikorita | oh those are da scores...neat |
| 20:51.57 | sussudio | ~dict da |
| 20:52.30 | Chikorita | ;) |
| 20:52.49 | Chikorita | is there an iggy function on irc? |
| 20:52.51 | JBDiGriz | Chikorita: Is he around, I've had him on ignore for a while, it makes this much easier to read. |
| 20:52.59 | Chikorita | lol jb |
| 20:53.13 | Chikorita | o ok , brb |
| 20:53.13 | sussudio | JBDiGriz : pants on fire. |
| 20:53.32 | JBDiGriz | On x-chat, it's just a menu option, someone else can tell you the actual command. |
| 20:54.00 | Chikorita | hmm |
| 20:54.09 | sussudio | yes, the command is /server help |
| 20:54.27 | sussudio | omg. |
| 20:54.33 | sussudio | it's been a while since that worked. |
| 20:54.42 | bzgirl | :) |
| 20:54.48 | bzgirl | thats mean |
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| 20:54.57 | Patlabor221 | that is messed up man |
| 20:55.05 | Patlabor221 | don't do that again. |
| 20:55.08 | learner | did you just kick her? |
| 20:55.19 | Patlabor221 | no he had her chang her server |
| 20:55.20 | sussudio | learner : think about it. /server help. |
| 20:55.33 | sussudio | :-| |
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| 20:55.42 | Chikorita | i think i messed up something |
| 20:55.48 | sussudio | ... |
| 20:55.56 | Patlabor221 | no he was screwing with you. |
| 20:56.12 | Chikorita | :( |
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| 20:57.05 | captain_proton | ugh |
| 20:57.08 | captain_proton | bzflag-dev spam :( |
| 20:57.08 | learner | hmmm |
| 20:57.27 | scanline | you folks don't screen all mail that isn't from a subscribed user? |
| 20:57.49 | sussudio | ok, i will explain. /server [servername] changes you to another IRC server. /server help would connect you to the server named 'help', but that server does not exist. mkay? |
| 20:58.44 | captain_proton | scanline: well, we have some legitimate traffic from non-subscribed users |
| 20:59.03 | scanline | why can't they subscribe? |
| 20:59.29 | captain_proton | scanline: because they're stupid users? |
| 20:59.45 | sussudio | captain_proton : they're such a thing (enormous, earth shattering sarcasm) |
| 20:59.56 | sussudio | there's, even |
| 21:00.13 | scanline | so why not enable that option that only passes mail from subscribed users... then whenever it asks you to screen a legitimate mail, accept it, but that user will have received a warning that the message had to be manually approved |
| 21:00.26 | scanline | why would you want users? they just complain! |
| 21:00.55 | sussudio | scanline : that's why i never write docs. or write the author name anywhere. |
| 21:01.09 | scanline | :) |
| 21:04.12 | Chikorita | ok im going back to play ... nice to see u all again |
| 21:04.24 | Chikorita | except u sussudio stinky ;) |
| 21:04.27 | Chikorita | nheehe |
| 21:04.34 | Chestal | does the TIMELIMIT macro serve any purpose? |
| 21:05.01 | captain_proton | Chestal: doesn't TIMELIMIT enclose /countdown and friends? |
| 21:05.34 | Chestal | proton: yes, but what for? |
| 21:06.41 | Chestal | hmm, maybe a player should send a special UDP message right after having successfulyl connected |
| 21:06.59 | larsl_56k | To make sure that UDP is working? |
| 21:07.05 | JBDiGriz | I'm updating the wipi, what's in 1.9 that we should mention? |
| 21:07.15 | Chestal | would make the server guessing easier in case there#s several player behind the same NAT connecting at about the same time |
| 21:07.21 | Patlabor221 | I added the things I plan on doing |
| 21:07.45 | Chestal | anyone wants to stick with multicast? |
| 21:07.48 | JBDiGriz | I saw those in the next release section, should I copy them in the 1.9 section as done? |
| 21:08.11 | Patlabor221 | not all of them are done yet |
| 21:08.33 | Chestal | maybe, I'll ask those protocol questions when TIm is back |
| 21:08.35 | captain_proton | Chestal: its not even used :P |
| 21:09.09 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: you can get rid of the sfsnap stuff on asgard |
| 21:09.31 | Patlabor221 | not gonna do it? |
| 21:09.41 | captain_proton | no, asgard has port 25 blocked :P |
| 21:09.52 | Patlabor221 | so open it |
| 21:10.11 | Patlabor221 | I think you were the one that blocked it |
| 21:10.13 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: not blocked by asgard's firewall |
| 21:10.18 | captain_proton | blocked by your upstream provider |
| 21:10.21 | scanline | why do you need 25 for sfsnap? |
| 21:10.23 | JBDiGriz | captain_proton: are all of the items marked as done included in 1.9? |
| 21:10.41 | Chestal | hmm, btw., I did a /ban 217.234.*.* 5 yesterday or so |
| 21:10.41 | captain_proton | scanline: because i modified the ciabot script to poke sfsnap via email |
| 21:10.47 | scanline | oh, cute |
| 21:10.53 | Chestal | shouldn't that show up with 217.234.255.255 in /banlist? |
| 21:11.02 | Chestal | it showed with 217.234.255.0, sounds like a bug |
| 21:11.03 | captain_proton | JBDiGriz: the ones marked as DONE are in CVS |
| 21:11.11 | captain_proton | yep |
| 21:11.15 | Patlabor221 | cap, can't be, it's on the raw net |
| 21:11.27 | captain_proton | couple seconds delay between a new commit and a new snapshot :) |
| 21:11.45 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: i dunno, but from outside port 25 looked closed |
| 21:11.45 | Patlabor221 | unless thos bastards whacked it |
| 21:11.49 | JBDiGriz | captain_proton: How about KotH? |
| 21:11.53 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: i got it working on babylonia |
| 21:11.59 | captain_proton | JBDiGriz: it hasn't been integrated to CVS yet |
| 21:12.05 | Patlabor221 | bastards |
| 21:12.12 | Chestal | hmm, when I test it on 1.9 now, I get 217.234.*.*, as it should be, oh well |
| 21:12.18 | Patlabor221 | well cap, you have permision issues |
| 21:12.25 | Patlabor221 | we can only get one of the files |
| 21:13.40 | captain_proton | ah, /me fixews |
| 21:15.32 | captain_proton | silly 177 umask |
| 21:19.15 | CIA | commit by chestal: assume all clients respond to lag pings now |
| 21:19.15 | CIA | commit by chestal: whitespace |
| 21:19.17 | CIA | commit by davidtrowbridge: add them as binary files :P |
| 21:19.18 | CIA | commit by davidtrowbridge: temporarily remove hunt sounds |
| 21:19.24 | captain_proton | hah, CIA lagging :) |
| 21:21.12 | scanline | well, what do you expect when navi's load average is an alarming 0.03! |
| 21:21.48 | Patlabor221 | what are you doing? hacking the xbox key? |
| 21:22.15 | scanline | =) |
| 21:22.57 | Chestal | the permissions are messed up on my server |
| 21:23.22 | Patlabor221 | whooooo look at automake crash |
| 21:23.44 | Chestal | can someoen join my 1.9 server? |
| 21:23.51 | sussudio | no |
| 21:23.52 | captain_proton | Chestal: sure, listed? |
| 21:23.57 | Chestal | captain_proton: yes |
| 21:24.51 | Patlabor221 | yup still borked |
| 21:24.56 | Patlabor221 | goin DMZ |
| 21:25.34 | *** join/#bzflag NinjaSocks (~jeffm@adsl-64-173-107-79.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) |
| 21:25.57 | Chestal | bz crashed |
| 21:26.08 | captain_proton | hrm |
| 21:26.09 | Chestal | proton: I think you've screwed the id somewhere |
| 21:26.18 | captain_proton | Chestal: very possibly |
| 21:26.26 | captain_proton | it was a ...big... change |
| 21:26.36 | Chestal | who's ninjasocks? |
| 21:26.45 | Chestal | ninjasocks: you're usign an odl 1.9 |
| 21:27.07 | sussudio | why cant i get 1.9 from cvs.bzflag.org |
| 21:27.08 | Chestal | at least I think so, because my server doesn't really like you |
| 21:27.47 | NinjaSocks | wow crashes like all the time now |
| 21:27.59 | NinjaSocks | sussudio how are you trying? |
| 21:28.12 | sussudio | v1_9, says unknown tag |
| 21:28.15 | NinjaSocks | cus it is |
| 21:28.18 | NinjaSocks | no tag |
| 21:28.21 | NinjaSocks | 1.9 is head |
| 21:28.26 | NinjaSocks | no -r anything |
| 21:28.30 | sussudio | wha? |
| 21:28.33 | NinjaSocks | just co bzflag |
| 21:28.41 | NinjaSocks | don't do -r v1_9 |
| 21:28.42 | sussudio | 1.7 is supposed to be head :-| |
| 21:28.49 | NinjaSocks | 1.9 is 1.7 |
| 21:28.52 | NinjaSocks | 1.7g3 |
| 21:29.04 | sussudio | ... |
| 21:29.14 | NinjaSocks | 1.7g2 and earlyer is on the v1_7 tag |
| 21:29.25 | captain_proton | sussudio: the version got bumped to 1.9 so we could break protocol |
| 21:29.27 | NinjaSocks | 1.9 is head, 1.9 is where curent dev is |
| 21:29.36 | NinjaSocks | 1.9 is buggy as hell |
| 21:29.53 | Chestal | ninja: if you did use anaon cvsm, forget it |
| 21:29.59 | NinjaSocks | no |
| 21:30.01 | Chestal | bzg: can you return to my server please? |
| 21:30.11 | captain_proton | Chestal: can you send me the command line you're using for that server? |
| 21:30.13 | NinjaSocks | this is cvs as of like 30 min ago |
| 21:30.40 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o patlabor221] by ChanServ |
| 21:30.47 | captain_proton | Chestal: you say its letting you use admin commands without identifying? |
| 21:30.48 | patlabor221 | I'm gonna debug |
| 21:30.57 | Chestal | proton: yep |
| 21:31.09 | patlabor221 | wow borkage |
| 21:31.28 | patlabor221 | I don't get the NR thing if I make myself DMZ |
| 21:32.21 | captain_proton | Chestal: i can't reproduce that here |
| 21:32.49 | patlabor221 | me nether |
| 21:33.10 | Chestal | looks like the accessinfo doesn't get initialzed properly sometimes, not sure |
| 21:33.24 | Chestal | I removed admin group for my nick, did /reload |
| 21:33.28 | Chestal | then rejoined, still had powers |
| 21:33.34 | Chestal | identified, powers were gone |
| 21:33.50 | patlabor221 | can somone get in there and ether soot me, or get shot? that's when it was crashin |
| 21:34.12 | captain_proton | patlabor221: sure, hang on |
| 21:34.29 | sussudio | what server am i supposed to join chestal |
| 21:34.38 | patlabor221 | the only one there |
| 21:34.49 | sussudio | err |
| 21:34.56 | sussudio | must be the server cache then. |
| 21:35.44 | sussudio | hmm no. |
| 21:35.56 | sussudio | it says 1.9`0 but i still get all the 1.7 servers |
| 21:36.12 | patlabor221 | odd |
| 21:36.19 | captain_proton | sussudio: you're getting anoncvs aren't you? |
| 21:36.21 | captain_proton | use the snapshots |
| 21:36.24 | patlabor221 | yeah he's old |
| 21:36.29 | Chestal | hmm, I think the groups list isn't reset |
| 21:36.42 | patlabor221 | time for food |
| 21:36.45 | patlabor221 | be back l8r |
| 21:37.08 | Chestal | line 4216, it just adds DEFAULT when player joins |
| 21:37.15 | Chestal | I don't think it get erased anywhere |
| 21:37.29 | patlabor221 | it dosn't clear it? |
| 21:37.35 | patlabor221 | it used to |
| 21:39.01 | Chestal | I wonder whether this bug also is in 1.7g2, that wouldn't be too good :-( |
| 21:40.30 | captain_proton | semicolons? uh, no. |
| 21:40.59 | captain_proton | if you mean colons, then use |
| 21:41.00 | captain_proton | err |
| 21:41.00 | sussudio | tar (child): bzflag-2003-06-22-15\:05\:58.tar.gz: Cannot open: Input/output error |
| 21:41.01 | captain_proton | yes* |
| 21:41.07 | captain_proton | but colons are ok |
| 21:41.21 | learner | Mmmm... taco time, cya |
| 21:42.00 | sussudio | colons bad |
| 21:42.15 | sussudio | oog smash colons |
| 21:42.59 | CIA | commit by chestal: reset group vector when player joins |
| 21:43.18 | captain_proton | fine fine |
| 21:43.34 | sussudio | oog eat cashews. |
| 21:43.37 | Chestal | all those ping/multicast code makes me itch |
| 21:44.57 | captain_proton | Chestal: rip it out! :) |
| 21:45.20 | Chestal | proton: I'd rasther wait for Tim to return and ask him if he really wants to dump it all |
| 21:45.35 | captain_proton | Chestal: he wanted to get rid of it in 1.8... |
| 21:47.44 | Chestal | do we have an up-to-date file docuemntign the protocol? |
| 21:48.14 | captain_proton | no :( |
| 21:48.37 | Chestal | we should really make one now that we're changing it |
| 21:49.03 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 21:49.14 | Chestal | most of protocol.txt shoudl still be valid I guess |
| 21:49.14 | captain_proton | hm, we should get rid of some of these protocol hacks like MsgWantHash |
| 21:49.27 | sussudio | how bout MsgWantCrack |
| 21:49.47 | captain_proton | sussudio: ok, you do that |
| 21:49.57 | larsl_56k | scanline: I made a one-way a while ago. |
| 21:50.15 | larsl_56k | BZ -> IRC. |
| 21:50.31 | scanline | well, mostly it would be cool to have a python module for the bz protocol |
| 21:50.52 | scanline | in theory you could even write bots in that, if you didn't mind duplicating a lot of the client code |
| 21:51.14 | Chestal | proton: playerid is now the array index? and that is synched on client and server? |
| 21:51.59 | captain_proton | Chestal: ought to be, yes. its possible it gets munged somewhere :P |
| 21:52.25 | sussudio | ok, 2 questions... |
| 21:52.32 | sussudio | 1) why cant i pick up any flags on ducati |
| 21:52.39 | Chestal | then addplayer can be changed to trust the id, righ tnow it searches for a free spot. Can't hur tto check whetehr the spot really is free, though |
| 21:52.40 | sussudio | 2) why do i get the 'hunt' sound when i press F |
| 21:52.56 | captain_proton | 1) dunno |
| 21:52.59 | captain_proton | 2) check your keybindings |
| 21:53.05 | sussudio | 2) i did |
| 21:53.14 | captain_proton | i dunno. debug it |
| 21:53.24 | sussudio | flag help F or + |
| 21:53.27 | sussudio | hrmpf. |
| 21:54.22 | captain_proton | sussudio, look. you're using -very- alpha code at the moment. please don't expect it all to work. if you can come up with a reproducable problem and give us enough information to fix it, file a bug report. if not, please stop complaining. |
| 21:55.42 | sussudio | ok the keybindings are fux0red |
| 21:57.52 | CIA | commit by chestal: client addPlayer() uses slot=id |
| 21:58.20 | Chestal | proton: lookupplayerindex does not need to do a search now either |
| 21:58.36 | Chestal | that is, if it#s ok to make the assumption that id=slot nr |
| 21:59.55 | captain_proton | thats the assumption we want |
| 22:01.53 | Chestal | uhm, where is the player[] defined? |
| 22:01.57 | captain_proton | so just replace all the lookupPlayer calls with player[id]? |
| 22:02.21 | captain_proton | playing.cxx:119 |
| 22:03.16 | Chestal | ah, it's not static, was lookin gfor player[ |
| 22:03.54 | Chestal | hmm, there is mytank which is returned by the lookup functions |
| 22:04.11 | Chestal | is there also a RemotePlayer object for my own tank in the player[] array? |
| 22:04.51 | Chestal | ah, no, it's checked |
| 22:08.25 | Chestal | waah, why is it running automake/configure now? |
| 22:08.38 | captain_proton | heh |
| 22:10.41 | sussudio | can anyone comment on refurbished 20" sun monitors? are they good compared to say, a new 17" lite-on/lg/whatever of the same price? |
| 22:10.57 | larsl_56k | Oh, joy. |
| 22:11.07 | sussudio | happy happy joy joy? |
| 22:11.15 | *** join/#bzflag Tupone (~Tupone@ppp-62-11-6-211.dialup.tiscali.it) |
| 22:12.11 | captain_proton | sussudio: sun monitors are usually good, but keep in mind they'll probably have a 13W3 connector instead of VGA |
| 22:13.23 | sussudio | captain_proton : they're converted |
| 22:14.00 | captain_proton | well keep in mind that you'll want to check when the model was made |
| 22:14.01 | sussudio | i was just wondering about the "cant go lower than 1024x768" thing... will it still do textmode (since thats lower res) |
| 22:14.13 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 22:14.25 | scanline | could always just use a framebuffer console :) |
| 22:14.33 | sussudio | scanline : ack |
| 22:15.35 | captain_proton | probably wouldn't do textmode, but i can't say for certain |
| 22:15.47 | sussudio | that'd suck |
| 22:16.05 | captain_proton | time for serial console! :) |
| 22:16.12 | sussudio | snort. |
| 22:16.44 | patlabor221 | what res is textmode? |
| 22:18.48 | scanline | IIRC it's something like 640x384 by default, but in linux at least you can change it |
| 22:19.09 | patlabor221 | odd res |
| 22:19.31 | scanline | 80x24 character cells of 8x16 each |
| 22:19.38 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 22:19.40 | patlabor221 | just odd |
| 22:19.59 | sussudio | 720x400 31.4khz/70hz is linux console right now |
| 22:20.03 | patlabor221 | now to find out why autoconf dosn't like me |
| 22:20.19 | scanline | aha |
| 22:20.25 | patlabor221 | or automake specificly |
| 22:20.26 | captain_proton | scanline: 3rd rock from the sun? tsk tsk |
| 22:20.41 | patlabor221 | is he just filling navi with crap? |
| 22:20.42 | scanline | ah.. 9x16 character cells? |
| 22:21.19 | captain_proton | patlabor221: this is on the PVR of doom |
| 22:21.27 | scanline | captain_proton: shuddap |
| 22:21.37 | patlabor221 | still is it full of crap? |
| 22:21.40 | captain_proton | prior it was set to record quality shows, like sg1, iron chef, red green, junkyard wars... |
| 22:22.01 | patlabor221 | todays special ingredient is "human brains" |
| 22:22.04 | scanline | what's wrong with 3rd rock from the sun? it even has a couple episodes with billy shatner! |
| 22:22.19 | captain_proton | scanline: the general humor is unintellectual ;) |
| 22:22.23 | patlabor221 | scanline did you see the link to the sppplat attack thing? |
| 22:22.33 | captain_proton | if you want billy shatner, watch twilight zone ;) |
| 22:22.34 | scanline | captain_proton: yes, what do you expect from a show with a laugh track :p |
| 22:22.57 | captain_proton | theres...some...thing...on...the wing! |
| 22:24.05 | patlabor221 | I want to see that spplat attack movie, but I don't want to pay for it, or admit that I've seen it |
| 22:24.12 | captain_proton | hehe patlabor221 |
| 22:24.16 | captain_proton | thats exactly how i feel about it |
| 22:24.25 | scanline | spplat attack? |
| 22:24.25 | patlabor221 | like if it just showed up |
| 22:24.32 | captain_proton | scanline: the shatner paintball thing |
| 22:24.36 | scanline | oh |
| 22:25.00 | patlabor221 | I'd be ok if it just kinda showed up |
| 22:25.10 | patlabor221 | and maybe just fell on top of wmp |
| 22:25.12 | CIA | atupone opened Patches 758923 (SDL x Audio): |
| 22:25.12 | patlabor221 | but that's it |
| 22:29.30 | patlabor221 | wow that move has 4 exec producers and 1 real producer |
| 22:30.21 | *** join/#bzflag patlabor221-linu (~jeffm@adsl-64-173-107-79.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) |
| 22:30.25 | captain_proton | spplat? |
| 22:30.36 | patlabor221 | yes |
| 22:30.41 | sussudio | attack of the patlabor clones |
| 22:30.53 | scanline | captain_proton: hmm.. what sort of coding music are you using now? |
| 22:30.54 | patlabor221-linu | we are one |
| 22:30.59 | captain_proton | scanline: barcelona |
| 22:31.05 | patlabor221-linu | autogen.sh: line 7: 2107 Segmentation fault automake --add-missing |
| 22:31.18 | patlabor221 | any idea why I get that when I try to run autogen? |
| 22:31.18 | captain_proton | =) |
| 22:31.26 | captain_proton | patlabor221: a messed up system |
| 22:31.35 | patlabor221 | it's a new debian install |
| 22:32.47 | sussudio | patlabor221: automake --version ? |
| 22:33.07 | patlabor221 | 1.7.5 |
| 22:33.13 | sussudio | hmm i have the same one |
| 22:33.20 | Tupone | perl -v |
| 22:33.26 | patlabor221 | ohh everyone tells me that is SHOULD work |
| 22:33.38 | patlabor221 | 5.8.0 |
| 22:33.52 | sussudio | what does perl have to do with that |
| 22:33.58 | patlabor221 | nothing |
| 22:34.02 | Tupone | automake is a perl script |
| 22:34.09 | patlabor221 | no it's a shell script |
| 22:34.12 | patlabor221 | isn't it? |
| 22:34.22 | sussudio | no, it's a shell script. |
| 22:34.32 | sussudio | none of ze perl. |
| 22:34.33 | scanline | $ head /usr/bin/automake |
| 22:34.33 | scanline | #!/usr/bin/perl |
| 22:34.44 | sussudio | autogen.sh < sh |
| 22:35.06 | patlabor221 | well guess I just don't test anything on linux |
| 22:35.36 | Tupone | if you run that command alone automake --add-missing give up the same way? |
| 22:35.39 | captain_proton | scanline: Tupone said 'automake' not 'autogen' |
| 22:36.00 | patlabor221 | nope |
| 22:36.00 | Tupone | but I underline that automake line |
| 22:36.21 | scanline | captain_proton: and I was showing evidence that agreed with him... |
| 22:36.32 | Tupone | he wrote autogen.sh: line 7: 2107 Segmentation fault automake --add-missing |
| 22:36.41 | patlabor221 | that's what it does |
| 22:36.55 | patlabor221 | dosn't crash when I do it alone |
| 22:36.59 | patlabor221 | dosn't do anything |
| 22:37.51 | sussudio | patlabor221: woody/testing/unstable? |
| 22:37.59 | patlabor221 | sid |
| 22:38.05 | sussudio | why? |
| 22:38.10 | patlabor221 | woddy would just crash |
| 22:38.19 | patlabor221 | redhat 9 would just crash |
| 22:38.41 | sussudio | tried running memtest86? |
| 22:38.49 | Tupone | Have you got cheap RAM? |
| 22:38.54 | patlabor221 | nope |
| 22:39.00 | patlabor221 | ram works fine |
| 22:40.12 | patlabor221 | swaped ram with the windows machine |
| 22:40.21 | captain_proton | have you run memtest86? |
| 22:40.32 | patlabor221 | no, I ran the bios big one |
| 22:40.44 | captain_proton | memtest86 does a lot more than the bios does |
| 22:40.44 | patlabor221 | and it does the same thing with 3 difrent dimms |
| 22:40.52 | patlabor221 | I don't think it's the ram |
| 22:40.55 | captain_proton | flaky processor? |
| 22:41.03 | patlabor221 | crashes on the laptop in RH9 as well |
| 22:41.08 | patlabor221 | swaped CPUs too |
| 22:41.31 | CIA | commit by chestal: hopefully more player id sanity |
| 22:43.08 | *** join/#bzflag wallydog (~me@66-159-172-185.adsl.snet.net) |
| 22:51.58 | CIA | commit by chestal: enable home/end keys when editing |
| 22:52.24 | patlabor221 | if that man turns my board into a church so help me I'm making a pagan thread |
| 22:52.48 | sussudio | wha? |
| 22:52.54 | patlabor221 | read chat |
| 22:53.01 | sussudio | :-| |
| 22:53.15 | *** join/#bzflag Chikorita (Chikorita@AC9B7E88.ipt.aol.com) |
| 22:53.22 | captain_proton | ugh |
| 22:53.22 | sussudio | that would mean a chance of stumbling onto either spiff or dervish ranting |
| 22:53.31 | patlabor221 | yes it would |
| 22:53.38 | patlabor221 | cap would join me I'm sure of it |
| 22:54.51 | patlabor221 | we should send Hathor in there |
| 22:55.02 | scanline | hmm.. he should apply for a job as one of those televangelists that comes on PBS at 4 AM |
| 22:55.26 | patlabor221 | naw then he would be on TV and that's not right |
| 22:55.33 | Mayhem | Chestal: there is protocol documentation in the Wipi page, I've been updating it. |
| 22:55.38 | scanline | but that doesn't count as TV, since nobody watches it |
| 22:55.47 | patlabor221 | zellots do |
| 22:55.52 | scanline | hmm... |
| 22:55.54 | scanline | that's disturbing |
| 22:55.54 | patlabor221 | and even that is too much |
| 22:56.12 | captain_proton | Mayhem: needs to be updated for playerid->ubyte and eliminating reconnect |
| 22:56.22 | scanline | so give him a 5 watt transmitter that only works with SECAM |
| 22:56.28 | Mayhem | captain_proton: its halfway there... |
| 22:56.29 | patlabor221 | heh |
| 22:56.30 | captain_proton | hehe |
| 22:56.55 | patlabor221 | secam is just what china? |
| 22:56.59 | sussudio | france |
| 22:57.03 | patlabor221 | ahhh |
| 22:57.06 | patlabor221 | anywhere else? |
| 22:57.13 | captain_proton | some parts of southeast asia |
| 22:57.15 | Chikorita | "God is dead , no one cares ..if theres a hell , i'll see u there.."-NIN |
| 22:57.18 | Chikorita | heehe |
| 22:57.18 | captain_proton | china is PAL |
| 22:57.22 | sussudio | former eastern germany, other assorted USSR satellite states |
| 22:57.26 | patlabor221 | all obey godmoney |
| 22:57.39 | patlabor221 | japan is ntsc I know this for a fact |
| 22:57.47 | patlabor221 | I'd be screwed otherwise |
| 22:58.01 | captain_proton | patlabor221: uh...no. japan is PAL but they sell lots of NTSC stuff |
| 22:58.08 | patlabor221 | realy? |
| 22:58.23 | captain_proton | NTSC is really only used in the US :P |
| 22:58.26 | patlabor221 | then the "imports" i get aren't realy "imports" |
| 22:58.31 | captain_proton | no they're imports |
| 22:58.33 | sussudio | japan also has mixed 110/220 volts networks. it's a fun place. |
| 22:58.34 | patlabor221 | you do know what NTSC means right? |
| 22:58.48 | scanline | Never The Same Color? |
| 22:58.52 | patlabor221 | hell yeah! |
| 22:59.02 | *** join/#bzflag dukez (~glibersat@ALille-209-1-8-247.w81-53.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 22:59.12 | captain_proton | national television system committee ;) |
| 22:59.17 | dukez | hi all |
| 22:59.30 | patlabor221 | cap that was only in the 50s |
| 22:59.33 | captain_proton | hehe |
| 23:00.15 | Tupone | s/system/standard |
| 23:00.37 | captain_proton | hehe |
| 23:00.45 | captain_proton | in 3d! |
| 23:00.53 | patlabor221 | it's sad I don't know what to do with the thing |
| 23:02.27 | captain_proton | scanline: well...you have to expect that when the color subcarrier is at such a low frequency |
| 23:03.13 | sussudio | bastard moth landed in my pepsi |
| 23:03.24 | patlabor221 | ha my $50 dvd player has component video outs |
| 23:03.53 | Chikorita | wow that would be so kewl to play BZflag on a wall projector |
| 23:04.03 | Chikorita | and have surround sound |
| 23:04.05 | Chikorita | LoL |
| 23:04.12 | patlabor221 | ohh we've played all kinds of stuff on wall projectors |
| 23:04.22 | patlabor221 | halo rocks 35 feet wide |
| 23:04.24 | Chikorita | medal of honor? |
| 23:04.28 | Chikorita | wow |
| 23:04.45 | Chikorita | neat :) |
| 23:05.20 | Mayhem | patlabor221: you would be a fan of RedvsBlue? |
| 23:05.41 | sussudio | ~tube Chikorita |
| 23:05.53 | Chikorita | ? |
| 23:06.09 | patlabor221 | cockbite! |
| 23:06.31 | patlabor221 | "dude I totaly knew you could pick up chicks in a tank!" |
| 23:06.31 | sussudio | snort. |
| 23:06.53 | Mayhem | patlabor221: 'I always hated you the most' |
| 23:07.04 | patlabor221 | the memorial was funny |
| 23:07.16 | Mayhem | you got todays? |
| 23:07.23 | patlabor221 | yeah on friday |
| 23:07.30 | Mayhem | sponsor? |
| 23:07.31 | captain_proton | scanline: week after next we shall have to do food at my place |
| 23:07.34 | patlabor221 | of course |
| 23:07.46 | patlabor221 | "bloddy murder... blody murddder!!!" |
| 23:07.48 | captain_proton | because my family is out of town, and walt will come (he WILL damnit!) |
| 23:07.56 | Mayhem | 'thats not physically possible' |
| 23:08.08 | patlabor221 | cap, realy you need to watch the RvB |
| 23:08.09 | patlabor221 | real |
| 23:08.12 | patlabor221 | realy realy |
| 23:08.14 | captain_proton | yeah i should |
| 23:08.14 | patlabor221 | I did you no |
| 23:08.19 | Mayhem | I second and third that :) |
| 23:08.25 | captain_proton | bzflag is best on stereo projectors =) |
| 23:08.31 | patlabor221 | like right now cap |
| 23:09.07 | Mayhem | I was getting really bad lag before... then I realised I still had my bittorrent window open :) |
| 23:10.04 | Mayhem | ~lart sussudio |
| 23:10.10 | patlabor221 | noooo not the frut farker |
| 23:10.27 | patlabor221 | "it's not gonna get all wierd now is it baby?" |
| 23:11.11 | Mayhem | captain_proton: what purpose does the 'reason' field in MsgKilled have? |
| 23:11.13 | scanline | captain_proton: okeydokey |
| 23:11.21 | patlabor221 | that has to be the most wrong, but funnyest character in PA |
| 23:11.41 | sussudio | that and DIV |
| 23:11.44 | captain_proton | Mayhem: includes things like "run over" "hit by shot" "genocide" etc |
| 23:11.50 | *** join/#bzflag Noodleman (~chatzilla@bc183148.bendcable.com) |
| 23:11.55 | Mayhem | captain_proton: ok, cool |
| 23:12.39 | patlabor221 | FF2k is funnyer then DIV |
| 23:12.46 | patlabor221 | chuchk is funnyer then DIV |
| 23:13.21 | patlabor221 | "you know that hole in your face, that you put pie in?" |
| 23:15.35 | CIA | commit by davidtrowbridge: add StateDatabase to build |
| 23:17.13 | captain_proton | patlabor221: care to verify that i didn't bust windows? |
| 23:17.16 | patlabor221 | cap, realy. you NEED to watch these |
| 23:17.17 | patlabor221 | http://bakadigital.com/darkmoor-noshare/movie/BloodGulch/ |
| 23:17.26 | patlabor221 | only if you watch ep 1 of that |
| 23:17.44 | Mayhem | ep2 is the best... |
| 23:17.54 | patlabor221 | but you have to start at the begining |
| 23:17.56 | Mayhem | although 10 is close behind |
| 23:18.01 | patlabor221 | "like a puma" ? |
| 23:18.15 | Mayhem | 'shotgun' 'shotgun, crap' |
| 23:18.35 | patlabor221 | they didn't say 'crap' |
| 23:18.35 | Mayhem | 'chupathing' :) |
| 23:19.07 | patlabor221 | it started with F |
| 23:19.10 | patlabor221 | ended in K |
| 23:19.15 | patlabor221 | you can fill in the rest |
| 23:19.43 | sussudio | i think my videocard is set at that mode, actually, and it's not UCSW. |
| 23:19.43 | Mayhem | oh yes... |
| 23:19.47 | patlabor221 | cap what file did you add |
| 23:20.04 | captain_proton | patlabor221: added a few |
| 23:20.08 | patlabor221 | names |
| 23:20.09 | patlabor221 | ? |
| 23:20.11 | captain_proton | StateDatabase.h, StateDatabase.cxx, CallbackList.h |
| 23:20.12 | sussudio | ~wang |
| 23:20.27 | patlabor221 | to what project? |
| 23:20.38 | captain_proton | i didn't add any of those to the dsps ;) |
| 23:20.54 | patlabor221 | where do they go |
| 23:21.08 | patlabor221 | it's a good thing I aske these things |
| 23:21.21 | patlabor221 | tho it builds with out them |
| 23:22.18 | patlabor221 | ohh cap I need a stricmp solution, so I'm putin in a #ifdefine HAVE_NO_STRCASECMP in common |
| 23:22.43 | patlabor221 | and then if it's true #defing strcasecmp as stricmp |
| 23:22.45 | patlabor221 | is that cool? |
| 23:22.46 | captain_proton | should do HAVE_STRCASECMP instead of HAVE_NO |
| 23:22.54 | captain_proton | and then #if !defined( |
| 23:22.57 | patlabor221 | k |
| 23:23.13 | patlabor221 | well then everyone cept windows has to define it |
| 23:23.21 | patlabor221 | and that I don't know how to do |
| 23:23.32 | captain_proton | i'll hack up the configure script to detect it |
| 23:23.37 | patlabor221 | k |
| 23:23.48 | patlabor221 | I need it for my map changes |
| 23:25.50 | patlabor221 | callback list part of common? |
| 23:26.24 | captain_proton | callbacklist is just a header |
| 23:26.27 | patlabor221 | we got now POW |
| 23:26.33 | captain_proton | statedatabase is part of common |
| 23:26.46 | patlabor221 | what does pow do? |
| 23:27.32 | patlabor221 | like x to the y kinda thing? |
| 23:27.32 | captain_proton | power |
| 23:27.32 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 23:27.38 | patlabor221 | let me see what we have for that |
| 23:27.42 | Tupone | Why not defining strcasecmp directly in config.h? |
| 23:27.43 | captain_proton | you don't have it? its part of the C standard :P |
| 23:27.54 | captain_proton | Tupone: strcasecmp is POSIX |
| 23:27.56 | patlabor221 | tupone, cus there may be other OSs that don't have it too |
| 23:28.08 | patlabor221 | winderz is not |
| 23:28.09 | captain_proton | but windows does stricmp |
| 23:28.37 | Tupone | I mean detecting in configure and writing in config.h |
| 23:29.02 | patlabor221 | cus the configs should define what features the OS has, let the app fix them |
| 23:29.12 | patlabor221 | or your changing stuff in more then one place |
| 23:29.13 | captain_proton | Tupone: dsp builds don't run configure, they have a prebuilt config.h |
| 23:29.35 | captain_proton | like the *(#%&(*@ version number >: |
| 23:29.37 | patlabor221 | cap I can't find a power |
| 23:29.45 | patlabor221 | you will live cap |
| 23:29.49 | captain_proton | patlabor221: ugh |
| 23:30.00 | patlabor221 | let me look more |
| 23:30.10 | patlabor221 | or I can make one in common |
| 23:30.39 | patlabor221 | I found one, but that will just turn off the computer |
| 23:31.57 | patlabor221 | i'm checking MSDN now |
| 23:32.55 | patlabor221 | where is it included in 'nix? |
| 23:33.04 | *** join/#bzflag DTRemenak (~DTRemenak@host-227-185.dialup.innercite.com) |
| 23:33.29 | Tupone | captain_proton: I'm putting a fix for the locale dir. So you can run bz from every directory, if you agree! |
| 23:34.07 | Tupone | Just 1 file, bzflag.cxx |
| 23:34.23 | CIA | davidtrowbridge changed Feature Requests 757828 (TEAMFIELD): Group->'None' |
| 23:35.37 | Tupone | patlabor221: It is in math.h |
| 23:35.58 | patlabor221 | cap you need to HAVE_STRCASECMP and HAVE_POW |
| 23:36.39 | patlabor221 | what is it's prototype? |
| 23:36.54 | Tupone | double pow(double x, double y); |
| 23:38.01 | patlabor221 | hmmmmm |
| 23:38.02 | patlabor221 | odd |
| 23:38.38 | patlabor221 | problaby should include math.h in there then |
| 23:40.13 | patlabor221 | ok you know all that crap I just said? |
| 23:40.19 | patlabor221 | forget all of that |
| 23:40.38 | Tupone | You got that pow? |
| 23:40.54 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 23:40.58 | patlabor221 | it's all good |
| 23:40.59 | CIA | commit by jeffm2501: includes... developers... developers.. developers |
| 23:42.51 | CIA | commit by jeffm2501: added that wha twas once forgoten |
| 23:43.18 | Tupone | strcasecmp (const char * __sz1, const char * __sz2) {return _stricmp (__sz1, __sz2);} |
| 23:43.28 | Tupone | that is what I found on mingw32 |
| 23:43.34 | patlabor221 | I'm just gonna #def it |
| 23:43.55 | patlabor221 | I have had to do this before :) |
| 23:45.39 | captain_proton | Tupone: sounds good to me |
| 23:48.02 | CIA | commit by atupone: Looking for locale even in installation directory |
| 23:52.16 | patlabor221 | crap If I do this change I'm gonna have to make a new version of BZEdit |
| 23:52.34 | captain_proton | hehe |
| 23:52.53 | patlabor221 | hmmmm I could just make them put the new thing in by hand, since it is optional |
| 23:52.59 | Mayhem | captain_proton: MsgGrabFlag still has a grabber and an owner? |
| 23:53.29 | sussudio | damned |
| 23:53.33 | sussudio | ~eat bitchx |
| 23:53.34 | | ACTION eats bitchx and falls over dead |
| 23:53.36 | patlabor221 | ohhh my gawd!!!!!!!! |
| 23:53.38 | patlabor221 | http://ufocatcher.net/hatsukoiplush/agentsmith.html |
| 23:53.54 | *** part/#bzflag sussudio (Ferret@81.68.131.244) |
| 23:53.56 | patlabor221 | agent smith is NOT a plusshie |
| 23:56.09 | wallydog | lol |
| 23:56.15 | captain_proton | Mayhem: dunno, check the source :) |
| 23:56.33 | Mayhem | I am... :) |
| 23:57.36 | Mayhem | aha, yes it does. |
