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| 00:30.43 | larsl | Hm, I have a textbased server admin tool kind of working. It uses ncurses though, so it probably only works on Linux right now. |
| 00:31.19 | TimRiker | larsl: cool. create a new module in the cvs tree if you like. |
| 00:32.48 | larsl | I think I'll hack on it a bit more - it needs some cleaning up. |
| 00:33.13 | larsl | And it needs some of BZFlag's static libraries. |
| 00:33.25 | Patlabor221 | like net I asume :) |
| 00:33.31 | larsl | Yes. =) |
| 00:33.46 | Patlabor221 | it logs in as a normal user? or an observer? |
| 00:33.50 | larsl | As an observer. |
| 00:34.02 | larsl | And it uses src/bzflag/ServerLink.cxx, too. |
| 00:34.02 | Patlabor221 | coudl be nice for loging as well |
| 00:36.15 | larsl | I wonder if there is a curses library for Win32. |
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| 00:53.57 | JBDiGriz | Is bzgirl somewhere online? |
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| 02:54.31 | Patlabor221 | noodleman, you around? |
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| 03:19.38 | captain_proton | just so damn pretty |
| 03:20.57 | Robin_R_R | what is the default server port? |
| 03:21.03 | captain_proton | 5155 |
| 03:21.28 | Robin_R_R | any other's reqiured? |
| 03:21.38 | Robin_R_R | for a client to connect to a server |
| 03:24.24 | Robin_R_R | Have a router |
| 03:24.28 | Robin_R_R | and trying to find out what to forward |
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| 03:34.48 | fiberchunks | just got back from watchin' 'hot chick'... what a travesty :\ |
| 03:37.05 | Robin_R_R | what ports are reqiured besides the default o ne for the server? |
| 03:37.59 | fiberchunks | perhaps 17200-172xx (where xx is the max num players plus a couple) -- that's what i always did (not sure if it's necessary anymore though |
| 03:38.24 | fiberchunks | UDP, 5155 was TCP, iirc |
| 03:39.48 | Robin_R_R | kk thanks |
| 03:42.03 | Robin_R_R | hmm |
| 03:42.12 | Robin_R_R | i opened 04 03 02 01 for two players |
| 03:42.14 | Robin_R_R | still no worky |
| 03:42.20 | Robin_R_R | had to change the main port to 8888 |
| 03:45.31 | fiberchunks | so you opened 5155/TCP, and 17200-04/UDP, and no work? |
| 03:45.40 | Robin_R_R | no |
| 03:45.41 | Robin_R_R | i oepened |
| 03:45.44 | Robin_R_R | 8888/TCP |
| 03:45.47 | Robin_R_R | and the other's udp |
| 03:46.13 | fiberchunks | strange -- did you want it that way, or did 5155 not work? |
| 03:46.24 | Robin_R_R | 5155 is used by something else |
| 03:46.42 | fiberchunks | ah, there you have it then...what server? I can test it out if you'd like |
| 03:46.59 | Robin_R_R | wizardsroom.com |
| 03:47.04 | Robin_R_R | it aint being used by another bzfs |
| 03:48.10 | fiberchunks | don't see it, did you make it public? |
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| 03:48.58 | Robin_R_R | yes |
| 03:49.49 | fiberchunks | did you specifically state -publicaddr <ipaddress:8888> <-- if you didn't, it won't show up .. the ports must match |
| 03:52.45 | Robin_R_R | bzfs -p 8888 -ms 5 -publicaddr www.wizardsroom.com: |
| 03:52.50 | Robin_R_R | 8888 -i 192.168.1.6 |
| 03:54.17 | fiberchunks | add; -public "Wizards room, running foo (or whatever)" -- those 2 things must be inthere for the server to be public |
| 03:54.19 | fiberchunks | iirc |
| 03:54.27 | Robin_R_R | I could care less about the public!! |
| 03:54.30 | Robin_R_R | i just want it to work |
| 03:55.01 | Robin_R_R | I need to know what ports it reqiures for clients |
| 03:55.17 | fiberchunks | and i have told you what ports it requires for clients |
| 03:55.17 | Robin_R_R | I tried 17200-17204 |
| 03:55.26 | fiberchunks | what kind of router |
| 03:56.32 | fiberchunks | drop the -i line -- I've personally never needed it |
| 03:56.58 | MrApathyCream | unless you have two network cards, i think |
| 03:58.05 | fiberchunks | thought that there was no multicast support? |
| 03:58.07 | Robin_R_R | what does the router half to do with this? |
| 03:58.44 | fiberchunks | well, from personal experience, if you have a linksys, they are VERY bad at handling UDP packets (one of the frustrations I went through trying to set a server up) |
| 03:59.06 | fiberchunks | if you'd prefer i don't help you, lemme know ... I've better things to do with my time |
| 03:59.34 | MrApathyCream | cranky, cranky :} |
| 03:59.48 | Robin_R_R | it's set for both udp and tcp |
| 04:00.20 | Robin_R_R | it is a linksys, and it does a good job most of the time wiht udp's... |
| 04:00.35 | fiberchunks | heh, MAC |
| 04:00.37 | fiberchunks | :) |
| 04:01.40 | fiberchunks | are you trying to just get a LAN server going, or a publicly available one? |
| 04:01.53 | Robin_R_R | just one freinds can connect to |
| 04:01.54 | MrApathyCream | the reconnect tcp port has to be open too -pr |
| 04:02.05 | fiberchunks | when did that happen? - |
| 04:02.33 | MrApathyCream | geez e7 maybe? |
| 04:02.47 | Robin_R_R | arg well I'll be back later |
| 04:02.52 | fiberchunks | hrm, never needed -pr with the servers i've set up |
| 04:02.52 | Robin_R_R | thanks anyway |
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| 04:02.58 | MrApathyCream | clients used to be given a random port from server to reconnect on, now it's specified with -pr |
| 04:03.05 | fiberchunks | ah |
| 04:03.15 | MrApathyCream | -pr is defaulted to 5156 |
| 04:03.33 | fiberchunks | so if you don't specify it, there is auto. a -pr @ 5156 inserted? |
| 04:03.42 | MrApathyCream | sort of |
| 04:03.44 | MrApathyCream | yes |
| 04:03.55 | MrApathyCream | the concept of a reconnect port is plain stupid |
| 04:04.05 | MrApathyCream | it will be removed in the next real version |
| 04:04.25 | fiberchunks | g2, or the 'new and improved' g8, or are we just jumping to 2.0? |
| 04:04.38 | MrApathyCream | what ever comes past g2 |
| 04:04.40 | fiberchunks | s/g8/1.8 |
| 04:04.43 | fiberchunks | ah |
| 04:04.51 | MrApathyCream | or perhaps the sun will burn out first |
| 04:04.56 | fiberchunks | heh |
| 04:05.33 | fiberchunks | speaking of this -- are there any plans to do away with the tcp side of things -- i've seen a couple discussions / heard ramblings about it -- but never anything concrete |
| 04:05.51 | MrApathyCream | i doubt it. |
| 04:06.07 | MrApathyCream | There would have to be some sort of reliable mechanism built on top of udp. |
| 04:06.17 | MrApathyCream | I don't think we have the man power to do that, at this point. |
| 04:06.37 | fiberchunks | don't several of the commercial games use strictly UDP for their protocols (or am i, as usual, wrong here?) |
| 04:06.50 | MrApathyCream | you are correct |
| 04:07.06 | fiberchunks | oh, ic, it's just a _major_ overhaul |
| 04:07.12 | MrApathyCream | yup |
| 04:07.35 | MrApathyCream | We |
| 04:07.37 | MrApathyCream | oops |
| 04:08.01 | MrApathyCream | We're all waiting for TIBoy to unearth himself. I guess he's been swamped for the last couple of months |
| 04:08.24 | fiberchunks | moved to TX, didn't he? |
| 04:08.29 | MrApathyCream | yes |
| 04:09.02 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 04:10.33 | fiberchunks | this is driving me mad -- my poor dog is diabetic, and she drinks like a fish (even with insulin), so if I leave the house for more than 2 hrs, she pees _everywhere_ |
| 04:12.01 | MrApathyCream | some diet pills are supposed to help that iirc |
| 04:13.18 | fiberchunks | really? i'll have to look into that |
| 04:13.30 | fiberchunks | any recollection which ones? |
| 04:13.59 | MrApathyCream | i forget, my vet told me that once |
| 04:14.18 | MrApathyCream | http://www.doggiejams.com/ |
| 04:14.51 | fiberchunks | lol, oh my -- i don't know if i could subject my pooch to that :) |
| 04:15.01 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 04:15.27 | fiberchunks | dog depends |
| 04:17.45 | MrApathyCream | l8r |
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| 05:28.25 | captain_proton | the sunshine delay, is when the traffic slows down because the sun is in your eyes |
| 05:28.37 | captain_proton | on days like today, you're lucky to make it home in the first place |
| 05:29.23 | Patlabor221 | come with me in the twilight, of a summer night for a while. |
| 05:31.31 | Patlabor221 | damn I realy should redo bzedit with this new system |
| 05:31.33 | Patlabor221 | ahh well |
| 05:32.52 | captain_proton | don't do it |
| 05:32.57 | captain_proton | you'll just get sucked back in |
| 05:33.00 | Patlabor221 | didn't say I was :) |
| 05:33.05 | Patlabor221 | just said "I should" |
| 05:33.21 | captain_proton | hehe |
| 05:34.00 | Patlabor221 | I realy should see if this compiles on leenox |
| 05:34.02 | Patlabor221 | it should |
| 05:34.23 | Patlabor221 | tho all it will do is print "FIX ME, I NEED SOME FRESH LOVIN\n" |
| 05:36.58 | captain_proton | hehe |
| 05:44.55 | Patlabor221 | and I didn't put m_ in the classes :) |
| 05:46.33 | captain_proton | yay |
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| 06:00.28 | iLL_Afk | lo all |
| 06:00.33 | iLL_Afk | anyone seen tim lately? |
| 06:00.43 | iLL_Afk | fields borked AGAIN |
| 06:00.44 | iLL_Afk | sheesh |
| 06:00.59 | iLL_Afk | blue flag is in an untennable position (or just plain b0rked) |
| 06:01.15 | iLL_Afk | don't get it |
| 06:01.19 | iLL_Afk | someone must be breaking it |
| 06:01.22 | iLL_Afk | too coincidental |
| 06:01.39 | iLL_Afk | i've been playing there on and off for weeks tho 2 day straight one flag is br0ke |
| 06:01.48 | iLL_Afk | someone must know how to hose them |
| 06:17.40 | Patlabor221 | cap you want to see if this will compile on lin? |
| 06:17.54 | captain_proton | sure |
| 06:19.05 | Patlabor221 | www.bakadigital.com/Scrawl.zip |
| 06:19.15 | captain_proton | hehe |
| 06:19.20 | captain_proton | took the classy name i see |
| 06:19.25 | Patlabor221 | was a good name :) |
| 06:19.43 | Patlabor221 | you won't want to inlude the "MainFrm" files in the lin build |
| 06:19.55 | Patlabor221 | nor the files in Dialogs/Win32s |
| 06:19.57 | captain_proton | ugh |
| 06:20.10 | captain_proton | just splatted all the files into the pwd :P |
| 06:20.21 | Patlabor221 | opps |
| 06:26.03 | fiberchunks | lo pl |
| 06:26.18 | Patlabor221 | sup |
| 06:26.23 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: it doesn't compile on its own, but i think thats my problem mostly (not willing to get LGE all set up right now) |
| 06:26.48 | Patlabor221 | yeah it will want LGE |
| 06:27.05 | Patlabor221 | I'll put toegther one on my lin system that uses the normal LGE later |
| 06:27.20 | Patlabor221 | I'm rearanging the files now to make it not so messy |
| 06:57.23 | fiberchunks | evening captain_proton, didn't see you there ;) |
| 07:04.59 | Patlabor221 | well I'll have to tweak the SDL version of LGE-Edit then it should build |
| 07:05.12 | Patlabor221 | I think I actualy even made a scons file for it :) |
| 07:05.20 | captain_proton | ooo |
| 07:05.55 | Patlabor221 | pluss I set it up so all the windows files are in Win32 subdirs |
| 07:12.38 | Patlabor221 | and into CVS it goes :) |
| 07:25.12 | Patlabor221 | well it now includes it's own version of LGE ( LGE-Edit) tho it still uses SDL |
| 07:32.19 | Patlabor221 | hmmm I think I got me scons SConscript thingy messed up |
| 07:32.54 | Patlabor221 | the lge thing can't find it's headers |
| 07:45.40 | Patlabor221 | well I'm off to sellpeys |
| 07:45.43 | Patlabor221 | see ya |
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| 08:52.05 | ak|ra | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:30.31 | larsl | Appearently it's "Kung Fu Jacket". |
| 12:31.27 | [dmp] | Well, I better get going then :) |
| 12:48.06 | larsl | ~seen TimRiker |
| 12:48.06 | | timriker <~timr@proxyle01.ext.ti.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 12h 16m 47s ago, saying: 'larsl: cool. create a new module in the cvs tree if you like.'. |
| 12:48.33 | larsl | ~seen PatLabor221 |
| 12:48.33 | | patlabor221 <~jeffm@adsl-64-167-76-135.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 5h 2m 50s ago, saying: 'see ya'. |
| 13:32.16 | ak|ra | :) |
| 13:33.05 | larsl | I mean, it's not very clever to suppose that the symbol 'move' never will be used by anyone else, in any scope. |
| 13:47.09 | Nidhoggr | larsl, any luck attempting to create a text observer client? :) |
| 13:49.05 | larsl | Nidhoggr: I have one based on ncurses now. |
| 13:49.14 | Nidhoggr | really? wow. |
| 13:49.17 | larsl | What OS are you using? |
| 13:49.29 | Nidhoggr | linux and mac osX |
| 13:49.37 | fiberchunks | bhghjghjgyjrtfvghrftgwwwwgagevjkdfkjbhfxcvkjhxjfdkvchfckhbkjfxhbifxjhigfvcjbigofcvjblkgcjobvjbjmhn;,. |
| 13:49.38 | fiberchunks | kl;/l'.,m,fmklvb;m,kl |
| 13:49.41 | larsl | Great, it should work on at least Linux. |
| 13:49.41 | Nidhoggr | mostly linux (redhat) |
| 13:49.44 | fiberchunks | .,m '. , vlnbk,mn, l;bmk;nllbvmcvn cvmn,.nbvmn,./ |
| 13:49.47 | larsl | And probablu OSX too. |
| 13:50.23 | Nidhoggr | is it ready for use? |
| 13:51.00 | larsl | It might need some cleaning up and some more features, but it works for sending commands and chatting. |
| 13:51.08 | Nidhoggr | yay! |
| 13:51.18 | larsl | Should I DCC you a tarball? |
| 13:51.24 | Nidhoggr | that would be great |
| 13:52.03 | Nidhoggr | wow.. that was fast. |
| 13:52.18 | larsl | You need the BZFlag source code, it links with some libraries and object files from real BZFlag. |
| 13:52.28 | larsl | And ncurses. |
| 13:53.02 | Nidhoggr | hrm I wonder if it'll build on this machine... I might have to build it on my home machine and ftp it to this one. |
| 13:53.34 | larsl | Not tested with GCC < 3.2, by the way. |
| 13:54.16 | Nidhoggr | okie. |
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| 14:02.08 | doughecka | greetings |
| 14:05.48 | Nidhoggr | hi doug |
| 14:06.05 | doughecka | gweetings |
| 14:06.06 | doughecka | :) |
| 14:06.07 | Nidhoggr | so far text client works great |
| 14:06.13 | doughecka | irc? |
| 14:06.23 | Nidhoggr | nope. bzflag. :) |
| 14:06.29 | Nidhoggr | larls made one. |
| 14:06.32 | doughecka | text client?! |
| 14:06.36 | doughecka | cooool |
| 14:07.02 | doughecka | where is this? |
| 14:07.07 | doughecka | can it work on windows? |
| 14:07.12 | doughecka | is there a binary? |
| 14:07.12 | doughecka | :) |
| 14:07.22 | Nidhoggr | nope nope |
| 14:07.30 | doughecka | ack, breakfast |
| 14:07.31 | doughecka | brb |
| 14:07.32 | doughecka | :) |
| 14:15.20 | Nidhoggr | very nice, larsl. it works great so far. |
| 14:21.09 | doughecka | can you pipe it into irc? |
| 14:21.09 | doughecka | :) |
| 14:21.34 | Nidhoggr | not really. |
| 14:21.43 | doughecka | hrm |
| 14:22.06 | Nidhoggr | it's ncurses |
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| 14:22.13 | doughecka | oh? |
| 14:22.16 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 14:22.25 | doughecka | hrm |
| 14:22.31 | Nidhoggr | heh |
| 14:22.51 | doughecka | can it filter out all the "somebody killed" messages? |
| 14:22.52 | Nidhoggr | well, you have an account on the server that secretplace.us is on... and that's where I have the binary. |
| 14:23.00 | doughecka | yea |
| 14:23.00 | Nidhoggr | it already does. |
| 14:23.04 | doughecka | ah |
| 14:23.05 | doughecka | cool |
| 14:23.09 | doughecka | whats it called? |
| 14:23.15 | Nidhoggr | it just shows chat/text messages |
| 14:23.17 | Nidhoggr | bzadmin |
| 14:23.20 | doughecka | k |
| 14:24.24 | doughecka | :) |
| 14:24.30 | Nidhoggr | heh |
| 14:24.45 | doughecka | darn thing kept rejecting my easy passwords |
| 14:24.48 | Nidhoggr | I can change it, but you'd need to change it to something else. |
| 14:24.54 | doughecka | yea |
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| 14:38.26 | Nidhoggr | larsl, only thing missing that would be really great is messaging individuals. |
| 14:39.03 | Nidhoggr | otherwise, this is EXACTLY what I have been asking for. |
| 14:39.51 | Nidhoggr | I'm trying to remember who else was asking for a text admin client. |
| 14:40.32 | Nidhoggr | there are time when I don't have access to a graphical browser. |
| 14:40.39 | Nidhoggr | so I prefer a text interface. |
| 14:40.55 | Nidhoggr | ~dragon |
| 14:42.00 | Nidhoggr | I got bzflag to compile on my Mac, but it's still totally unusable. |
| 14:42.10 | doughecka | haha |
| 14:42.25 | Nidhoggr | and there are people with less powerful macs that can get it to work fine. |
| 14:42.32 | Nidhoggr | it's slow, and choppy. |
| 14:42.42 | doughecka | huh |
| 14:43.15 | Nidhoggr | the sounds cuts out in some sort of rhythm and it is jerky |
| 14:43.25 | Nidhoggr | no depth control or brightness control. |
| 14:43.35 | doughecka | hmmm |
| 14:43.38 | doughecka | odd |
| 14:43.39 | doughecka | OS X? |
| 14:43.41 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 14:43.44 | Nidhoggr | jaguar |
| 14:43.47 | doughecka | odd |
| 14:43.47 | doughecka | :) |
| 14:43.50 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 14:43.54 | Nidhoggr | at least it compiles now. |
| 14:44.02 | doughecka | heh |
| 14:48.15 | fiberchunks | morning all |
| 14:48.25 | Nidhoggr | hi fiberchunks |
| 14:49.16 | larsl | Nidhoggr: Nice that it works. =) I'll look into private messaging. |
| 14:49.41 | Nidhoggr | cool.. thank you very much. |
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| 14:49.59 | Nidhoggr | I've been asking for something like this for months, and you brew it up in a day. :) |
| 14:50.13 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o TimRiker] by ChanServ |
| 14:50.38 | Nidhoggr | having a text admin client definitely makes it easier to keep a clean server. |
| 14:52.40 | Nidhoggr | now I just need to clean up my script that starts bzfs, and add a rotating log feature. |
| 14:57.07 | larsl | TimRiker: Is it OK to add the text client in a separate CVS module, even if it depends on the bzflag module? |
| 14:58.03 | Chestal | larsl: is it C++? |
| 14:58.35 | larsl | Chestal: Yes. |
| 14:59.04 | larsl | And it needs to be linked with object files and libraries from bzflag. |
| 15:00.11 | Nidhoggr | I had to compile on my workstation at home, and ftp it to my server. :) |
| 15:00.27 | Nidhoggr | cuz the server doesn't have opengl stuff installed. |
| 15:01.59 | Chestal | larsl: sounds to me as if it would be best to make integrate it into the bzflag build, maybe make it an optional target or something |
| 15:02.58 | larsl | OK. |
| 15:03.08 | larsl | It's probably not very platform independent though. |
| 15:03.59 | Chestal | hmm, why not? because of multiplexing sockets and stdin? |
| 15:04.25 | larsl | I use ncurses, I'm not sure if there is a Win32-curses. |
| 15:04.30 | Chestal | ah, hmm |
| 15:04.40 | Chestal | what does it do anyway? connect as an Observer? |
| 15:04.44 | larsl | Yes. |
| 15:05.11 | larsl | It displays joining and leaving players and chat messages, and the user can enter messages. |
| 15:05.26 | Chestal | did you have to replicate much code from the bzflag client? |
| 15:06.00 | larsl | I didn't exactly replicate code, but I link with the object file ServerLink.o from src/bzflag. |
| 15:06.57 | Chestal | we need to restructure that, it's needed for bots anyway |
| 15:07.15 | larsl | Yes. A libClient archive for common client stuff. |
| 15:07.31 | Nidhoggr | it'd be nice to be able to compile that and bots without having to compile all of bzflag for servers that don't have opengl libs. |
| 15:08.29 | larsl | I actually tried something like that earlier, I moved ServerLink.cxx and all files it depended on into a separate directory. Unfortunately that directory ended up containing almost everything in src/bzflag (including the GUI files). |
| 15:08.42 | Nidhoggr | heh |
| 15:09.09 | Nidhoggr | I'm fine with just copying the binary over from my workstation for now, but a thought for the future. |
| 15:10.08 | Nidhoggr | I suppose I could find a way to intall the opengl files, even though I couldn't use them. |
| 15:10.30 | Nidhoggr | locally, that is. |
| 15:11.55 | larsl | Nidhoggr: Actually, 'cd src/net; make; cd ../common; make; cd ../bzflag; make ServerLink.o' would probably generate everything you need for bzadmin. |
| 15:12.07 | larsl | It might want the GL headers though. |
| 15:12.16 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 15:12.20 | Nidhoggr | I'll try it. |
| 15:13.30 | Nidhoggr | yeah. serverlink requires gl headers. |
| 15:13.38 | larsl | I can post the bzadmin tarball as a patch on SF until we manage to restructure the client code. |
| 15:14.46 | larsl | Nidhoggr: It shouldn't need the GL library though, so it should be enough to just copy the GL header files to your computer. |
| 15:15.01 | Nidhoggr | do you know what files I would need? |
| 15:15.08 | larsl | I can check. |
| 15:15.14 | Nidhoggr | I'd appreciate it. |
| 15:15.24 | larsl | I generated a lot of nice dependency graphs using Doxygen. =) |
| 15:15.29 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 15:17.35 | larsl | GL/gl.h and GL/glu.h should be enough. |
| 15:17.38 | Nidhoggr | my coffee maker stopped working yesterday. :( |
| 15:17.47 | Nidhoggr | oh, cool. I'll try that. |
| 15:21.06 | Nidhoggr | yay! |
| 15:21.09 | Nidhoggr | it works. :) |
| 15:21.12 | larsl | Nice. |
| 15:21.23 | Nidhoggr | I just copied the whole GL dir |
| 15:21.35 | Nidhoggr | since there wasn't one on this server at all. |
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| 15:31.27 | larsl | OK, bzadmin is posted in the SF patch tracker. |
| 15:39.24 | Nidhoggr | yay! |
| 15:40.46 | larsl | I'm not sure what the best way to send private messages would be - is it enough with an IRC-like /msg-command? Possibly with some kind of autocompletion of callsigns. |
| 15:42.38 | Nidhoggr | maybe just tab, and that'll scroll through the people on the server? |
| 15:43.06 | Nidhoggr | whith the last person to message you or you messaged as the first/second on the list |
| 15:43.37 | Nidhoggr | or /msg with autocompletion would work. |
| 15:44.16 | larsl | Or it could be like in BZFlag - hit '.' when the command line is empty, and then arrow keys to change target. |
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| 16:07.33 | Nidhoggr | that works, too, larzl. |
| 16:08.07 | Nidhoggr | you could do a similar thing with kicks, for those hard usernames to type. |
| 16:08.47 | Nidhoggr | some character like = or something as the first character on the line, then scroll through usernames with arrows. |
| 16:09.11 | Nidhoggr | afk for a bath. |
| 16:10.04 | Patlabor221 | now larsl how hard woudl it be to put the gamestate thing in there and use your client as a basis for bots? |
| 16:10.43 | Patlabor221 | wtf, somone sent me an ident request!?! |
| 16:11.12 | larsl | Since the gamestate classes in src/bzflag depends on most of the GUI code, it would probably take some work. |
| 16:12.38 | larsl | I could give it a try in a few days though - I'd like an easier codebase for hacking bots. |
| 16:17.33 | Patlabor221 | yes it would |
| 16:17.33 | Patlabor221 | and clients based on difrent graphic systems :) |
| 16:25.37 | Chestal | but we should start with this work after g2 release |
| 16:25.54 | Chestal | which does not mean that we shouldnotwork onthis, but ratehr that we should really think about g2 |
| 16:26.01 | Chestal | is there anythign that should makeit in? |
| 16:27.09 | larsl | michaelh20's admin hotkeys? |
| 16:27.34 | larsl | And Patlabor221's authentification system. |
| 16:28.32 | Patlabor221 | G@ is just waiting on TIM |
| 16:29.02 | Patlabor221 | I need to test the admin system |
| 16:29.13 | Patlabor221 | guten tag mon capitan |
| 16:29.50 | Patlabor221 | is the admin system something you want in G2 mainline? or as a patch? |
| 16:30.56 | larsl | I suppose it depends on how long it will take. =) |
| 16:31.53 | Patlabor221 | that actualy should not mater, I mean is it something that is wanted as a mainline feature? or just for some server admins that want it? |
| 16:32.42 | larsl | I think it should be in the official version. |
| 16:33.34 | Patlabor221 | well there is one vote :) anyone else? |
| 16:33.47 | Patlabor221 | I'd like to know how tim feels about the system |
| 16:33.58 | Patlabor221 | it could be expanded to include the karma stuff |
| 16:33.59 | doughecka | :P |
| 16:34.16 | Patlabor221 | tho I have little faith in the karma system |
| 16:34.37 | doughecka | the karma system needs lots of people to work right |
| 16:35.01 | Patlabor221 | the karma system can be exploited with lots of people, and turn out to be a mess |
| 16:35.10 | doughecka | yea |
| 16:35.44 | Patlabor221 | what is to prevent me from making an app that logs into servers using difrent names, giving bad karma to one guy |
| 16:36.20 | prot-work | Patlabor221: because you have to register those, and each requires a unique email address |
| 16:36.20 | JBDiGriz | Saving IP addresses with names would make it expensive in time. |
| 16:36.40 | Patlabor221 | mail addreses are easy to come buy |
| 16:36.51 | prot-work | true |
| 16:36.54 | Patlabor221 | and you can't do IPs cus there ar people who are nated |
| 16:37.06 | Patlabor221 | and many isps use one IP for an area |
| 16:37.33 | prot-work | but its hard to make it automatic when unique emails are required |
| 16:37.37 | JBDiGriz | If more than ten come from one IP, I would be very suspect. |
| 16:37.49 | Patlabor221 | naw, I make an app that logs into hotmail and makes addresses |
| 16:38.04 | prot-work | Patlabor221: that adds a LOT of complexity |
| 16:38.07 | prot-work | and time |
| 16:38.08 | Patlabor221 | or uses like my artemisgames.com mailserver that accepts anything@artemisgames.com |
| 16:38.24 | Patlabor221 | just sends it to the nobody account. |
| 16:38.46 | Patlabor221 | but realy it will just make the cehaters not register |
| 16:39.08 | JBDiGriz | Email addresses require a lot of setup time, but little run time. |
| 16:39.13 | prot-work | Patlabor221: thats ok |
| 16:39.26 | Patlabor221 | I do think registration only servers will deter a lot tho |
| 16:39.30 | prot-work | because people can set their servers to not accept unregistered logins |
| 16:39.37 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 16:39.52 | Patlabor221 | but I don't see that as part of the 'karma" thing but as part of a player database thing |
| 16:40.04 | prot-work | karma is on top of the player database |
| 16:40.06 | Patlabor221 | I think that is way more of a deturent |
| 16:40.12 | Patlabor221 | yes I know |
| 16:40.15 | Patlabor221 | but what does it add? |
| 16:40.33 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 16:40.52 | prot-work | it adds a level of social control over the people who have registered |
| 16:41.00 | prot-work | if a cheater registers his name, it'll get banned |
| 16:41.03 | Patlabor221 | or a sysem of social abuse |
| 16:41.13 | Patlabor221 | no smart cheater would register |
| 16:41.22 | Nidhoggr | that's what IP bans are for, though. |
| 16:41.43 | Nidhoggr | and you can just ban some known cheating/abusing callsigns from even joining. |
| 16:42.18 | Patlabor221 | imho all the karam rating is going to do is let people give people they don't like low ratings, and maybe let the users kick a REALY stupid cheater. |
| 16:43.12 | prot-work | Patlabor221: it *keeps* cheaters from registering |
| 16:43.13 | Patlabor221 | but it would allso make the general public feel like they are in controll |
| 16:43.30 | Patlabor221 | yes it is a deturent |
| 16:43.37 | Patlabor221 | but I am woried about it's abuses |
| 16:43.47 | prot-work | yeah, me too |
| 16:43.51 | prot-work | but i think its worth a test |
| 16:44.07 | Patlabor221 | honestly I could set up about 100 emails in 15-20 min |
| 16:44.11 | Nidhoggr | karma is good in principle but a challenge in practice. |
| 16:45.06 | Nidhoggr | hrm. how about a person has to be registered to enter karma, and to register, they have to use a valid email address? |
| 16:45.15 | prot-work | Nidhoggr: thats the point |
| 16:45.16 | Patlabor221 | I'm also woried abbout bruite force atemps to get registration addys |
| 16:45.36 | Patlabor221 | I'm saying geting registerd under a fake name is easy |
| 16:45.48 | Nidhoggr | hrm. true. |
| 16:46.08 | Nidhoggr | maybe have the system be sensitive to many adds from same domain in a short amount of time? |
| 16:46.11 | Patlabor221 | like if I realy wanted to blow someones karma out of the water, I use my mailserver and register 100 e-mails |
| 16:46.20 | JBDiGriz | Validating the email addresses adds more setup time, nothing else. |
| 16:46.28 | Patlabor221 | then make an app that loops thur all 100 users giving bad karma to 1 person |
| 16:46.41 | Patlabor221 | unless you can automate it :) |
| 16:47.14 | Patlabor221 | and the real greefers all they have is time |
| 16:47.16 | Patlabor221 | so it seems |
| 16:47.40 | JBDiGriz | Automating it means the program responds to the validation requests, the setup time would be in the network transfer. |
| 16:47.56 | Patlabor221 | but its a one shot thing there |
| 16:47.58 | Nidhoggr | hrm. 1 registration per ip? |
| 16:48.00 | JBDiGriz | Then again, the setup time is inconsequential |
| 16:48.14 | Nidhoggr | that wouldn't work well for dialup |
| 16:48.16 | Patlabor221 | nidhogger then how do all your people at your house register? |
| 16:48.25 | Nidhoggr | screw them! ;) |
| 16:48.37 | Patlabor221 | or anyone on those realy crapy ISPs that nat |
| 16:49.15 | JBDiGriz | How many crappy ISPs are there, and do we really care if a player can't get a decent ISP? |
| 16:49.36 | Patlabor221 | you don't deal with the public much do you :) |
| 16:50.01 | JBDiGriz | You're absolutely right, I sit behind my machine. :) |
| 16:50.15 | Patlabor221 | cus you could make everyone tuneel thur ssh and use a public key, that would get rid of most of the players |
| 16:50.21 | Nidhoggr | or have the client generate a random serial number for itself, and only allow 1 reg per client serial. |
| 16:50.36 | Patlabor221 | that would be easy to hack |
| 16:50.43 | Patlabor221 | rememeber they have the source |
| 16:50.46 | Nidhoggr | or... hardware address of ethernet adapter |
| 16:51.01 | Patlabor221 | what bout people who share machines |
| 16:51.09 | Patlabor221 | or don't have a nic |
| 16:51.16 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 16:51.35 | Nidhoggr | karma is flawed because you can't guarantee it won't be abused. |
| 16:51.47 | Patlabor221 | that is the core of my point that's all |
| 16:51.57 | Chestal | depends on the rules for karma flow |
| 16:52.10 | Chestal | I agree that it's not easy to do it right |
| 16:52.11 | JBDiGriz | It's still worth a test in a controlled community. That's our advantage! |
| 16:53.36 | Patlabor221 | yes I think so as well |
| 16:53.39 | JBDiGriz | I actually like the ssh tunnel idea. I'll have to work on an automatic solution to the setup problem. |
| 16:53.56 | Patlabor221 | it's just a game, that may be overkill |
| 16:53.58 | Nidhoggr | well, I need to go and visit the botanical garden before it reaches 106. it's already 99. back later. |
| 16:54.07 | Patlabor221 | time would be beter spent on authoritive servers |
| 16:54.26 | JBDiGriz | But the solution might be worthwhile in other contexts. |
| 16:54.30 | Patlabor221 | make the range of cheats that can be used a lot smaller |
| 16:55.21 | Chestal | I'm concerned about the change in gameplay that an authoritive server would bring |
| 16:55.35 | Patlabor221 | what would it change? |
| 16:55.39 | JBDiGriz | Wouldn't that also make the network bandwidth required much higher? |
| 16:55.47 | Patlabor221 | not realy |
| 16:55.48 | Chestal | when the serevr decides about kills |
| 16:55.58 | Chestal | that would be quite a change |
| 16:55.59 | Patlabor221 | you would just get 1 more player update ( your own) |
| 16:56.12 | Patlabor221 | it would be a more honest change |
| 16:56.19 | Patlabor221 | since everyone would get the same results |
| 16:56.24 | Patlabor221 | and see the same results |
| 16:56.28 | Chestal | withotu further measures it would mean that plaeyrs with low lags have an advantage |
| 16:56.41 | Chestal | not everyone woudl see the same results |
| 16:57.03 | JBDiGriz | What's the possibility of trying to even out the lags across the players? |
| 16:57.15 | Chestal | I coudl die although from my point of view the shot passed by |
| 16:57.28 | Patlabor221 | the server coudl know each persons lag and cmmp for them |
| 16:57.51 | Patlabor221 | well the current system isn't good |
| 16:58.06 | Chestal | it has its problems, but it also has its advantages |
| 16:58.14 | JBDiGriz | There's the synchronization code from ntp which might be useful. |
| 16:58.45 | Chestal | I'm not convinced that a clever lag compensation system in the server will really work very well |
| 16:59.26 | Chestal | it's worth the try, but it shoudl be tested, before the decision is made to use it |
| 16:59.37 | Patlabor221 | yes just like karma :) |
| 17:00.08 | Chestal | my point is, when peopel with say 180ms have a real disadvantage when compared to some with 50ms lag, it would basically make league play impossible |
| 17:00.25 | Patlabor221 | if that was the case I would agree |
| 17:00.35 | Chestal | right now, lag is annoying, but you cannot really say that it's ad advantage for either side |
| 17:00.58 | JBDiGriz | I would say it's definitely an advantage for the higher lag players. |
| 17:01.01 | Chestal | the only other game I ever playe don the network besdies bzflag is armagetron |
| 17:01.13 | Chestal | that had some code to compensate for lag, but IMHO it didn't work |
| 17:01.26 | Chestal | lag was even worse there than with bzflag |
| 17:01.26 | Patlabor221 | there are many other systems out there these days |
| 17:01.32 | Patlabor221 | like for the mmorpgs |
| 17:01.33 | JBDiGriz | I've seen updates which put the player on the screen in clear view, and then pops it back behind a building. |
| 17:01.34 | Chestal | and the networklatency we had was <=80ms |
| 17:01.54 | Chestal | I would assume that for most games, it's easier to cope with lag |
| 17:02.24 | JBDiGriz | I think it was snow_monkey who recently quit the leagues for that reason. |
| 17:02.59 | Chestal | the serevr coudl just delay all messages by 2s |
| 17:03.05 | Patlabor221 | I'd be curiruous to look at how stuff like quakeworld does it |
| 17:03.06 | Chestal | then lag would be almost identical for everyone ;-) |
| 17:03.08 | fiberchunks | lo -- problem with my desktop: on boot (after installing new card), system lock, both CAPS and SCROLL lights blinking green (can't find what this means), idea?S |
| 17:03.13 | Patlabor221 | it's very fast paced |
| 17:03.15 | JBDiGriz | That's like playing at the yard! :) |
| 17:03.33 | Chestal | pat: but would you notice with quake, whether a shot would hit you or not? |
| 17:03.48 | Patlabor221 | yeah since they are like missiles and stuff |
| 17:04.03 | Patlabor221 | not every weapon is a chaingun :) |
| 17:04.12 | Patlabor221 | they have some weps that are similar to BZ balls |
| 17:04.58 | Patlabor221 | in fact that was an early complaint of the quake net system was dying when you didn't think you were hit |
| 17:05.06 | Patlabor221 | and they went about finding a solution |
| 17:05.23 | Patlabor221 | and it's all open source now so it can't hurt to look at what they did |
| 17:05.25 | Chestal | armagetron could use speculative prediction, I sually turned it on, but sometimes it was very confusing |
| 17:06.02 | Patlabor221 | I need to read some more in my virtual networked environs book |
| 17:06.13 | Patlabor221 | it's got 2 chapers on syncing and lag comp |
| 17:06.23 | JBDiGriz | Which book? |
| 17:08.18 | Patlabor221 | this one is called "network virtual enviroments" |
| 17:08.25 | Patlabor221 | I have some others to read too |
| 17:21.19 | fiberchunks | any idea on my above question y'all? |
| 17:21.41 | Patlabor221 | it sounds like a bios thing? or is it after it books? |
| 17:21.45 | Patlabor221 | boots even? |
| 17:22.20 | fiberchunks | it boots, does the POST, then black, with blinking kb lights |
| 17:22.36 | fiberchunks | it is very puzzling |
| 17:23.47 | fiberchunks | does this both with booting from HDD and from CD |
| 17:25.40 | fiberchunks | i suppose i could reset the bios, use all the defaults and see what happens |
| 17:26.50 | Patlabor221 | it sounds like it's a bios thing, like it's not geting to the OS load |
| 17:28.30 | fiberchunks | sorry, should've been clearer: the POST completes, and then (depending on media), I either get lilo or I get the 'installation / upgrade screen'... once i select a kernel (or choose install / upgrade), THEN the blinking lights and black screen occur -- i think it's a kernel panic, but am unsure, and can't find any info on the net |
| 17:56.17 | fiberchunks | well, it seems that text mode install is working -- which is strange...this obviously has /something/ to do with the kernel and the new vid card, but i have no idea what... :\ |
| 17:56.26 | Patlabor221 | what card did you have in there before? |
| 17:56.43 | fiberchunks | gf3 ti 500 , is now gf4 ti 4600 |
| 17:56.51 | fiberchunks | from 4x agp to 8x |
| 17:57.08 | fiberchunks | reset the bios, which didn't help (was mildly o/c'd) |
| 17:57.55 | fiberchunks | all the graphics mode garbage is hosed apparently (/me now wonders whether i couldn't have just rescue booted and diddled with lilo.conf - hrm) |
| 17:58.26 | Patlabor221 | icky |
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| 18:10.59 | fiberchunks_ | ah, found a relevant link |
| 18:11.31 | fiberchunks_ | seems the video bios and the framebuffer |
| 18:12.15 | fiberchunks_ | conflict with one another |
| 18:12.24 | fiberchunks_ | so you must pass vga=normal as a parameter |
| 18:12.42 | doughecka | thats normal? |
| 18:12.43 | doughecka | ;p; |
| 18:14.32 | doughecka | ~bzflist |
| 19:06.01 | Big_Barrel_ | ~ducati6 |
| 19:12.07 | larsl | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:13.36 | fiberchunks | larsl: is that a cli tool for general admins, or server owners/ |
| 19:14.50 | larsl | bzfs server admins. |
| 19:16.39 | fiberchunks | ah goody, i'll have to look at that |
| 19:17.04 | larsl | UNIX only right now, needs ncurses. |
| 19:17.11 | fiberchunks | perfect |
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| 20:24.11 | Big_Barrel__ | gefahrlich das gebrannte kind |
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| 20:24.47 | Big_Barrel__ | ~ducati9 |
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| 20:46.34 | Patlabor221 | cap you around? |
| 20:47.48 | prot-work | yeah sorta |
| 20:48.05 | Patlabor221 | ohh I just need some scons assistance when you have time |
| 20:48.17 | Patlabor221 | I think I have scrawl almost building |
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| 20:52.52 | Big_Barrel__ | gefahrlich das gebrannte kind |
| 20:55.14 | fiberchunks | argh...blast |
| 20:58.35 | Patlabor221 | dude you like totatly killed tim |
| 20:59.12 | fiberchunks | heh |
| 20:59.26 | Patlabor221 | BZflag Reloaded |
| 20:59.33 | fiberchunks | enter the bz |
| 20:59.45 | Patlabor221 | tanks now drive up walls and do backfilps |
| 20:59.49 | Patlabor221 | There is no tank |
| 21:00.04 | fiberchunks | always thought bullettime would be cool in bz ;) |
| 21:00.21 | Patlabor221 | you can't do it in multiplayer |
| 21:00.38 | fiberchunks | obviously, but it'd still be sweet |
| 21:00.49 | Patlabor221 | we did it in treadmarks |
| 21:00.52 | Patlabor221 | didn't add that mch |
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| 21:01.02 | fiberchunks | whaz treadmarks? |
| 21:01.19 | Patlabor221 | http://www.treadmarks.com/ |
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| 21:01.53 | fiberchunks | cool |
| 21:02.25 | Patlabor221 | the interesting thing about it was the deformable terain thing |
| 21:02.45 | prot-work | arg |
| 21:02.49 | prot-work | have to go deal with a customer |
| 21:02.50 | fiberchunks | oooo, you're not limited to a flat surface |
| 21:02.57 | Patlabor221 | customers wuck |
| 21:03.02 | Patlabor221 | yes it wa a real terain engine |
| 21:03.08 | Patlabor221 | that you could "dent" |
| 21:03.23 | Patlabor221 | or even add to |
| 21:03.26 | fiberchunks | that's sweet (oh bz devs -- look here ;) ) |
| 21:03.27 | Patlabor221 | that was cool |
| 21:03.45 | Patlabor221 | the rest of it was "so-so" |
| 21:03.55 | Patlabor221 | they didn't take to to a level it needed to go to. |
| 21:04.19 | Patlabor221 | the "tank battle race" idea didn't realy work |
| 21:04.29 | prot-work | hmm |
| 21:04.32 | prot-work | tank battle race? |
| 21:04.34 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 21:04.40 | Patlabor221 | you race around a track |
| 21:04.42 | prot-work | sounds like a nifty possibility for screamers ;) |
| 21:04.44 | Patlabor221 | shooting people |
| 21:04.53 | Patlabor221 | it could be yes |
| 21:05.02 | prot-work | because screamers has, well, speed |
| 21:05.07 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 21:05.24 | Patlabor221 | this had turret motion, and it was a pain to control |
| 21:05.28 | prot-work | ok, time to go take care of this clown |
| 21:05.35 | Patlabor221 | turbo boost should be a fun one :) |
| 21:05.52 | Patlabor221 | ever see battlestar galacica? :) |
| 21:06.03 | fiberchunks | absolutely -- raised on it |
| 21:06.12 | Patlabor221 | it will look like that |
| 21:06.17 | Patlabor221 | but with no off swich :) |
| 21:06.23 | fiberchunks | heh |
| 21:06.32 | Patlabor221 | 15 seconds of full burn |
| 21:06.33 | Chestal | if you liek 'Battlestar Galactica', check out 'Space Mutiny' ;-) |
| 21:06.43 | Patlabor221 | vas es los? |
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| 21:08.24 | Patlabor221 | hmmm I must be doing something wrong with scons it can't find headers |
| 21:09.06 | creeperz | KFJ? |
| 21:09.15 | Patlabor221 | KFJ!!! |
| 21:09.16 | creeperz | What is a "KFJ"? |
| 21:09.38 | Patlabor221 | gimme a dolar |
| 21:09.58 | creeperz | I have $0.76 in my account |
| 21:10.10 | Patlabor221 | that's no a dolar |
| 21:10.30 | creeperz | Don't ju know? |
| 21:10.57 | Patlabor221 | ohh I know what a KFJ is |
| 21:10.58 | creeperz | IF I had a dollar to lend, I would |
| 21:11.02 | Patlabor221 | I found it |
| 21:11.06 | Patlabor221 | ohh |
| 21:11.15 | Patlabor221 | I said "gimme" :) |
| 21:11.27 | creeperz | ? |
| 21:11.39 | Patlabor221 | hmm noone trys to guess what the kfj is |
| 21:11.47 | creeperz | Yes, you said "gimme" ;-) |
| 21:12.03 | Patlabor221 | does not imply lending |
| 21:12.47 | creeperz | Ok, if you needed the dollar for a good cause, I would give you a dollar IF, in fact, I had a dollar to give |
| 21:12.55 | Patlabor221 | fair enough |
| 21:13.03 | Patlabor221 | well lets see bout a hint |
| 21:13.11 | Patlabor221 | last letter in the last word is t |
| 21:13.33 | creeperz | Kan't Fly Jet? :-) |
| 21:13.41 | creeperz | Kan'tFlyJet |
| 21:13.54 | Patlabor221 | no it's a thing, since ownership is implied in context |
| 21:14.00 | fiberchunks | i know what a kfj is |
| 21:14.20 | Patlabor221 | your chi is strong fiberchan |
| 21:14.21 | fiberchunks | but i'm more spensive -- gimme 10 dollars (patlabor works cheap) |
| 21:14.26 | creeperz | I don't really have the time to play a guessing game |
| 21:14.32 | fiberchunks | sank you, mahstah |
| 21:14.41 | Patlabor221 | true but then it's no fun |
| 21:15.09 | fiberchunks | y |
| 21:15.32 | creeperz | I have to work here in a minute |
| 21:15.42 | creeperz | My summer has gone to hell :-/ |
| 21:15.51 | Patlabor221 | in a handbasket? |
| 21:15.58 | Patlabor221 | or of the bullettrain type? |
| 21:16.15 | creeperz | Not sure |
| 21:16.21 | creeperz | But my sumemr sucks so far |
| 21:16.33 | Chestal | summer has not even started yet |
| 21:17.12 | Patlabor221 | and you've only got 4 more summer vactaions |
| 21:17.16 | Patlabor221 | left |
| 21:17.52 | creeperz | Chestal: When people geet out of school, most refer to it as "the summmer" anyhow |
| 21:18.11 | Patlabor221 | well the people who get out of school doo |
| 21:18.16 | fiberchunks | it's only the end of may, how are you out of school? |
| 21:18.21 | Patlabor221 | dosn't hapen for most of the population |
| 21:18.46 | Patlabor221 | he probably starts in august |
| 21:18.49 | creeperz | fiberchunks: Don't ask me. Ask the stupid school board\ |
| 21:18.54 | Patlabor221 | some schools do that here |
| 21:18.54 | creeperz | Yup |
| 21:19.02 | Patlabor221 | aug to may instead of sep to june |
| 21:19.08 | creeperz | About 4 days before my damn birthday!! |
| 21:19.11 | fiberchunks | ah - eveyone gets out end june here |
| 21:19.37 | creeperz | Before it started like 2 months after my birthday |
| 21:19.51 | Patlabor221 | life is just preping oyu for the real worlk creeper, when summer is just a time when it gets hot. |
| 21:19.53 | fiberchunks | anyone use mplayer round here? if so, how do you play a .wmv file with it |
| 21:20.02 | fiberchunks | lol |
| 21:20.15 | Patlabor221 | huzah |
| 21:20.24 | fiberchunks | abandon all hope, ye who enter the work force |
| 21:20.26 | fiberchunks | :) |
| 21:20.26 | Chestal | fibgerchunks: "mplayer movie.wmv" :-) |
| 21:20.39 | fiberchunks | tried that - no video - audio's ok |
| 21:20.42 | creeperz | I work RIGHT NOW! |
| 21:20.43 | Patlabor221 | did I put WMVs up there? |
| 21:20.51 | fiberchunks | no, this is something else ;) |
| 21:20.51 | prot-work | ok Patlabor221 |
| 21:20.53 | prot-work | scons? |
| 21:20.58 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 21:21.00 | Chestal | fiber: depends on the codec thats used for the WMV, you probably need a newer driver pack |
| 21:21.05 | Patlabor221 | are you in a place to get cvs? |
| 21:21.05 | creeperz | I;ve worked for about the past 2 weeks and haven't got 1 dime coming to me |
| 21:21.22 | Patlabor221 | welcome to having a morgage creeper |
| 21:21.31 | fiberchunks | hrm -- worked fine with xine, but it seems mplayer overwrote xine's codecs, so i'm without a wmv player |
| 21:21.31 | prot-work | Patlabor221: lemme ssh to home |
| 21:21.48 | Patlabor221 | get the Scrawl module from cvs |
| 21:21.56 | creeperz | And my dad just spends all of the money I help him make! |
| 21:22.03 | fiberchunks | Chestal: do i grab that from mplayerhq? |
| 21:22.07 | Patlabor221 | it's not finding the headers in the lge sub lib |
| 21:22.16 | Chestal | fiber: I'm using debian packages from the marilliat site here |
| 21:22.27 | prot-work | eegh, capital S |
| 21:22.29 | creeperz | THEN he yells at me for spending a little money on the net for a shirt and a mousepad |
| 21:22.30 | fiberchunks | oh, diff. pkg mgmt sys |
| 21:22.35 | Patlabor221 | damn |
| 21:22.40 | Patlabor221 | well if I can fix this I'll change that |
| 21:22.49 | Patlabor221 | creeper tell him about the federal child labor laws |
| 21:23.09 | creeperz | I'm 13 and he's self-employed |
| 21:23.10 | Chestal | fibger: whch tells me that you're nto usign the one true linux distribution :-) |
| 21:23.28 | fiberchunks | lol -- you may very well be correct Chestal :) |
| 21:23.30 | creeperz | And he gets COMPLETELY pissed whenever I mention anything like that |
| 21:23.52 | prot-work | Patlabor221: i'm gonna fix them up a bit - remember, linux is case sensitive ;-) |
| 21:23.53 | creeperz | It's alright fixing semis all day, though |
| 21:24.08 | creeperz | Boring sometimes |
| 21:24.12 | Patlabor221 | yeah I know, I just like caps, but I know you don't |
| 21:24.42 | prot-work | Patlabor221: specifically, #include "3dtypes.h" when the file is named 3dTypes.h |
| 21:24.56 | Patlabor221 | gahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 21:25.04 | Patlabor221 | damn I thought I checked all those |
| 21:25.05 | creeperz | What's the project o' the day? |
| 21:25.19 | prot-work | Patlabor221: i'll fix it up and commit back |
| 21:25.26 | Patlabor221 | ok thank you |
| 21:25.29 | prot-work | there are some other issues |
| 21:25.34 | Patlabor221 | ok |
| 21:25.38 | prot-work | like including defalut arguments in the .cpp ;) |
| 21:25.39 | Patlabor221 | I tried REALY hard |
| 21:25.41 | creeperz | Screamers? |
| 21:25.55 | Patlabor221 | what I pulled a GOU |
| 21:25.58 | Patlabor221 | sorry a YOU |
| 21:26.04 | prot-work | uhhuh |
| 21:26.10 | Patlabor221 | what file? |
| 21:26.16 | Patlabor221 | cus that should not compile here |
| 21:26.19 | prot-work | LGE.cpp |
| 21:26.33 | Patlabor221 | ahh that would splain it, I don't build that version here |
| 21:26.45 | Patlabor221 | it was 12.15 when I did that last night |
| 21:26.54 | Patlabor221 | not screamers |
| 21:27.06 | creeperz | What? |
| 21:27.12 | Patlabor221 | Scrawl |
| 21:27.14 | creeperz | P:2501? |
| 21:27.26 | creeperz | Scrawl>?' |
| 21:27.37 | Patlabor221 | Scrawl! |
| 21:27.52 | creeperz | Damn computer |
| 21:28.00 | fiberchunks | Chestal: any idea where these codecs would go? There seems to be no README |
| 21:28.01 | creeperz | So slow |
| 21:28.58 | Patlabor221 | in /var/bin/lost/you/will/never/find/.this/in/amillion/years/codecs |
| 21:29.20 | creeperz | UUGH! |
| 21:29.32 | creeperz | My dad told me I haad 76 cents |
| 21:29.40 | fiberchunks | lol |
| 21:29.41 | creeperz | I have $53.76 |
| 21:29.47 | creeperz | Damn him! |
| 21:29.57 | fiberchunks | good, gimme $10, and i'll tell you what a kfj is ;) |
| 21:30.05 | creeperz | I was just about to go to the computer store, too |
| 21:30.13 | Patlabor221 | I'll do it for 5.75 |
| 21:30.21 | prot-work | 5.50 here |
| 21:30.28 | Patlabor221 | 428 |
| 21:30.31 | fiberchunks | alright $5.00 |
| 21:30.31 | Patlabor221 | 4.28 |
| 21:30.39 | fiberchunks | oi, 4.30 |
| 21:30.43 | creeperz | What the hell? |
| 21:30.43 | fiberchunks | LOL, oops |
| 21:30.49 | Patlabor221 | 3.60 and a chiken |
| 21:31.01 | fiberchunks | 2.35, and a half eaten pizza |
| 21:31.12 | creeperz | I don't really give a damn what a KFJ is |
| 21:31.23 | Patlabor221 | dude you got it, man half eaten pizza, that's nasyt |
| 21:31.26 | creeperz | fiberchunks: I want chicken! :-) |
| 21:31.34 | fiberchunks | such anger, such hostility ...... DAMN THAT RAP MUSIC! |
| 21:31.41 | prot-work | hehe |
| 21:31.49 | creeperz | Heh |
| 21:32.19 | fiberchunks | prot-work: any idea where i might put win32codecs for mplayer? Can't find it anywhere |
| 21:32.37 | creeperz | Someone's house got struck by lightning earlier today |
| 21:32.45 | creeperz | Only about 12 blocks away :-) |
| 21:32.56 | creeperz | Wait...I don't know |
| 21:33.12 | creeperz | My dad's friend told me about it about an hour ago |
| 21:33.42 | creeperz | Holy crap. Foot fell asleep |
| 21:34.13 | prot-work | fiberchunks: nope |
| 21:34.55 | prot-work | hmm |
| 21:35.00 | prot-work | its having trouble with SetInitalMatrix |
| 21:35.42 | prot-work | long trip |
| 21:35.52 | creeperz | Wasn't it though |
| 21:37.07 | creeperz | *SIGH* |
| 21:38.26 | creeperz | Can someone loan me $1.5 thou? |
| 21:40.06 | fiberchunks | no -- gimme ten bucks ;) |
| 21:40.23 | fiberchunks | y |
| 21:40.23 | prot-work | i don't understand why its erroring out here |
| 21:40.40 | prot-work | class CLGEngine has no member named `SetInitalMatrix' |
| 21:41.26 | fiberchunks | god dammit |
| 21:42.21 | creeperz | fiberchunks: Please do not use God's name in vain |
| 21:42.44 | prot-work | Patlabor221: PFD_TYPE_RGBA is undefined |
| 21:42.50 | creeperz | I can live with the "dammit" part though :-) |
| 21:43.16 | prot-work | darn it all to heck! |
| 21:43.40 | fiberchunks | mmmm, sry, forgot there were religious people afoot |
| 21:43.59 | prot-work | afoot or underfoot? |
| 21:44.05 | fiberchunks | either one |
| 21:44.08 | creeperz | I'm going to leave before I say something to proton that gets me banned |
| 21:44.11 | fiberchunks | zeus dammit |
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| 21:44.20 | prot-work | creeperz: hih |
| 21:44.21 | prot-work | err |
| 21:44.22 | prot-work | huh |
| 21:44.27 | prot-work | what would you say? |
| 21:45.03 | prot-work | now he's just keeping me in suspense |
| 21:46.30 | prot-work | Patlabor221: poke |
| 21:46.47 | *** join/#bzflag sussudio (Suss@81.68.134.159) |
| 21:56.49 | Patlabor221 | it's not in the header? |
| 21:58.15 | Patlabor221 | damn it's not a GL thing it's a windows thing |
| 21:58.22 | Patlabor221 | just #def it as 0 |
| 21:59.45 | larsl | fiberchunks: Win32 DLLs for mplayer usually go in /usr/lib/win32 or /usr/local/lib/win32. |
| 22:03.17 | *** join/#bzflag bzgirl (~brat@toronto-hs-64-26-176-100.s-ip.magma.ca) |
| 22:03.39 | doughecka | creeperz is funny to listen to |
| 22:04.07 | Patlabor221 | or hell just make it zero |
| 22:18.02 | *** join/#bzflag creeperz (~creeperz@host-11-76-220-24.midco.net) |
| 22:20.33 | sussudio | bzgirl: is djbgriz your stalker? |
| 22:20.55 | bzgirl | sussudio: ? |
| 22:21.03 | sussudio | [02:53:43] <JBDiGriz> Is bzgirl somewhere online? |
| 22:21.11 | bzgirl | sussudio: hes not on my list of stalkers :) |
| 22:21.21 | doughecka | oooooh |
| 22:21.26 | Noodleman | m00 |
| 22:21.37 | creeperz | Hey, Moodleman |
| 22:21.44 | Noodleman | hey creeperz |
| 22:21.48 | doughecka | Noodleman: hmm, when you movin? |
| 22:22.06 | Noodleman | doughecka: they've got 45 days to get a loan |
| 22:22.18 | Noodleman | could be tomorrow, could be july |
| 22:22.21 | doughecka | ick |
| 22:22.24 | creeperz | Crap |
| 22:22.47 | Patlabor221 | noodle lives |
| 22:22.49 | creeperz | I momentairly fell asleep and jammed my spacebar in |
| 22:22.53 | Noodleman | hehe |
| 22:22.55 | Patlabor221 | bzgirl, how large is that list? |
| 22:23.08 | Patlabor221 | noodle ,were you aware of your sites php problems? |
| 22:23.10 | creeperz | Brb |
| 22:23.16 | Noodleman | Patlabor221: yup |
| 22:23.20 | Patlabor221 | k |
| 22:23.49 | Noodleman | got an outdated version of php |
| 22:23.52 | Patlabor221 | I'm suprised how small the index.php is :) |
| 22:23.57 | Noodleman | gotta upgrade |
| 22:24.06 | Noodleman | huh? |
| 22:24.25 | Patlabor221 | it was sending me a file index.php |
| 22:24.31 | Patlabor221 | and it was REALY small |
| 22:24.35 | Noodleman | heh |
| 22:24.56 | Noodleman | it was sending it as text/plain earlier, now it should work fine |
| 22:25.02 | Patlabor221 | it does |
| 22:27.14 | Patlabor221 | did you see mr bantastic's new SF project |
| 22:27.22 | Noodleman | nope, url? |
| 22:27.28 | Patlabor221 | http://sourceforge.net/projects/vtr |
| 22:27.35 | doughecka | lol |
| 22:27.48 | Noodleman | haha, cool |
| 22:27.52 | Patlabor221 | he also gives a suposed real name |
| 22:28.15 | Noodleman | i wanna build a warrior robot like in robot wars :-) |
| 22:28.23 | creeperz | Back |
| 22:28.29 | Noodleman | if you haven't seen it, you have to see it |
| 22:28.36 | Noodleman | on techtv |
| 22:28.50 | sussudio | pigtv? |
| 22:28.50 | Noodleman | techtv's not as good as it used to be |
| 22:29.07 | Noodleman | sussudio: no, bunnie tv |
| 22:29.12 | Patlabor221 | like a battlebots kind of thing? |
| 22:29.13 | sussudio | piiiig |
| 22:29.21 | Noodleman | yeah |
| 22:29.33 | creeperz | UUGH! My dad just walks into the house and leaves the door open with the A/C on |
| 22:29.35 | Noodleman | bunnies, 24/7/365 |
| 22:30.40 | sussudio | ever tried machine gun with lasergunrate? :-P |
| 22:31.00 | doughecka | huhh |
| 22:31.01 | creeperz | ljp? |
| 22:31.03 | doughecka | wrong channel |
| 22:31.31 | doughecka | sussudio: hmm, sounds like fun |
| 22:31.40 | sussudio | if you call bullets on the entire map fun |
| 22:31.42 | Noodleman | i'm also looking forward to PCBN |
| 22:31.54 | Noodleman | Pigeon & Cow Broadcasting Network |
| 22:31.57 | Patlabor221 | all those battle bot things seem to be lame, everyone goes for the wedge |
| 22:32.05 | Patlabor221 | nothing realy interesting |
| 22:32.08 | sussudio | pigeons will just crap on everything |
| 22:32.09 | *** part/#bzflag doughecka (WOZNIAK@adsl-68-133.lou.bluegrass.net) |
| 22:32.55 | creeperz | pnumatic? |
| 22:33.21 | creeperz | Holy crap |
| 22:33.22 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 22:33.27 | creeperz | I actually typed that |
| 22:33.33 | creeperz | I just thought it :-) |
| 22:33.42 | Patlabor221 | congrats |
| 22:33.54 | larsl | ~spell pnumatic |
| 22:33.55 | | possible spellings for pnumatic: pneumatic nematic pneumatics nomadic |
| 22:34.07 | creeperz | pneumatic |
| 22:34.22 | creeperz | ~dict pnumatic |
| 22:34.36 | creeperz | ~dict pneumatic |
| 22:34.42 | Noodleman | have you seen hypnodisc? or gemini? |
| 22:34.53 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 22:34.55 | Noodleman | those are absolutely kewl |
| 22:35.01 | Patlabor221 | I haven't looked at them in a while |
| 22:35.02 | larsl | In "Robot wars" ? |
| 22:35.02 | Patlabor221 | show me |
| 22:35.10 | Noodleman | larsl: yeah |
| 22:35.22 | Noodleman | Patlabor221: try google |
| 22:35.46 | Noodleman | hypnodisc has a spinning disc that slices up all of the other bots |
| 22:35.49 | larsl | Gemini was the two-part robot, right? |
| 22:35.59 | Noodleman | and gemini is a clusterbot |
| 22:36.01 | Noodleman | larsl: yeah |
| 22:36.12 | Noodleman | it is a great design |
| 22:36.27 | larsl | I was surprised that they allowed it. |
| 22:36.41 | sussudio | i like the bunnybot with all the fur.... it caught fire |
| 22:36.49 | Noodleman | although they don't have a self-righting mechanism, they rely on each other to stay upright |
| 22:37.04 | Noodleman | sussudio: hehe |
| 22:37.11 | Patlabor221 | I don't see them on the robotwars site |
| 22:37.18 | Noodleman | i like when the ones with fur catch fire |
| 22:37.19 | sussudio | robot wars UK? |
| 22:37.29 | Noodleman | http://www.robotwars.co.uk/ |
| 22:37.39 | sussudio | i stopped watching about 2 years ago... the commentator shouts too much |
| 22:37.43 | Patlabor221 | ohh I'm on the tech TV site |
| 22:37.52 | Noodleman | i like the commentator :-) |
| 22:38.09 | fiberchunks | what in the hell is going on here -- now .avis don't work on the laptop (audio, no video) ?!? |
| 22:38.16 | sussudio | nick hancock is annoying |
| 22:38.38 | Noodleman | craig charles is the commentator on techtv |
| 22:39.00 | sussudio | i mean the one that shouts when the game is on |
| 22:40.32 | Patlabor221 | still that gemini one looks like all it does is flip stuff |
| 22:41.02 | Noodleman | that's right, it's the clusteryness of it that's cool :-) |
| 22:41.34 | creeperz | Battlebots was more appealing to me than RobotWars |
| 22:42.33 | Patlabor221 | like vibro knives and stuff |
| 22:42.39 | Patlabor221 | chansaws |
| 22:42.40 | Patlabor221 | ect... |
| 22:42.43 | creeperz | And if I were to build a bot, I would mount a taser onto the front and fry all of the house bots |
| 22:42.51 | Patlabor221 | can't |
| 22:42.53 | sussudio | vibro knives? like in UFO? |
| 22:42.54 | Patlabor221 | no open charges |
| 22:42.54 | creeperz | :-) |
| 22:43.07 | creeperz | So no guns? |
| 22:43.08 | Patlabor221 | no lasers over 5 mw ether |
| 22:43.09 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 22:43.17 | creeperz | :-( |
| 22:43.18 | Patlabor221 | no projectiles that are not tetherd |
| 22:43.24 | Patlabor221 | and tehered at 6 meeters |
| 22:43.27 | Noodleman | i want one with a chainsaw on a turret |
| 22:43.29 | creeperz | Ok, tie a string to the bullet |
| 22:43.42 | Patlabor221 | the string has to hold |
| 22:43.48 | creeperz | I actually drew out a bot on a peice of paper about a year ago |
| 22:44.10 | creeperz | Ok, a 10 ft. tall bot with a wrecking ball |
| 22:44.24 | Patlabor221 | would be too heavy |
| 22:44.30 | Patlabor221 | there are weight classes |
| 22:44.30 | Noodleman | there's probably a size and weight limit |
| 22:44.35 | Patlabor221 | there are |
| 22:44.37 | creeperz | Yes |
| 22:44.48 | Patlabor221 | tried to get the company to let me make one |
| 22:44.54 | Patlabor221 | since we do machining software. |
| 22:44.58 | creeperz | You were going to make a bot? |
| 22:45.04 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 22:45.12 | creeperz | That would have been cool |
| 22:45.28 | Patlabor221 | it woudl take 2 people ro run it tho |
| 22:45.31 | Patlabor221 | maybe 3 |
| 22:45.35 | creeperz | I was thinking of making saw blades for wheels |
| 22:45.44 | creeperz | :-) |
| 22:45.45 | Patlabor221 | you would stick too much |
| 22:45.50 | Patlabor221 | or slide too much |
| 22:45.54 | Patlabor221 | you would get no grip |
| 22:46.03 | creeperz | 3--1 in. apart from each other on the front |
| 22:46.06 | Patlabor221 | the thing with a saw is you need to pin the target |
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| 22:46.13 | creeperz | And rubber tires in the back |
| 22:46.17 | Patlabor221 | to get positive pressure |
| 22:46.25 | doughecka | KFJ? |
| 22:46.26 | Patlabor221 | that would just run over the ramp |
| 22:46.42 | Noodleman | KFJ == "kentucky fried jerboa" |
| 22:46.48 | creeperz | Probally 4-10 spikes through the tires, since they aren't inflated |
| 22:46.48 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 22:46.48 | doughecka | hmm |
| 22:46.54 | doughecka | I might have one of those |
| 22:46.56 | creeperz | One word |
| 22:47.01 | creeperz | And ends with a T |
| 22:47.07 | Patlabor221 | no it's not one word |
| 22:47.08 | Patlabor221 | it's 3 |
| 22:47.13 | creeperz | Really? |
| 22:47.19 | doughecka | no, hes joking |
| 22:47.34 | creeperz | Oh. thank goodness |
| 22:47.50 | creeperz | For a minute there I thought he was serious :! |
| 22:47.55 | Noodleman | kfj is kentucky fried jerboa |
| 22:48.01 | creeperz | Is it really? |
| 22:48.07 | Noodleman | just letting noodlebot know |
| 22:48.07 | Patlabor221 | no it's 3 words |
| 22:48.13 | Patlabor221 | and it's not that |
| 22:48.14 | creeperz | Oh |
| 22:48.15 | doughecka | kfc is kentucky fried creeperz |
| 22:48.24 | creeperz | NOOOOOO!!!!!!!!! |
| 22:48.25 | Noodleman | hey, noodlebot's not here |
| 22:48.27 | creeperz | :-) |
| 22:48.31 | doughecka | Noodleman: heh |
| 22:48.41 | creeperz | I could have told yu that ;-) |
| 22:49.09 | *** join/#bzflag Noodlebot (~noodlebot@bc183148.bendcable.com) |
| 22:49.11 | Noodleman | ~insult doughecka |
| 22:49.18 | Noodlebot | doughecka, thou art like the toad, ugly and venomous. |
| 22:49.20 | creeperz | My mom and dad are yelling at each other |
| 22:49.23 | Noodleman | kfj is kentucky fried jerboa |
| 22:49.56 | creeperz | kfc is ...a chick'n place |
| 22:50.10 | Noodleman | did you know the first kfc franchise was in utah |
| 22:50.12 | Noodleman | ? |
| 22:50.19 | creeperz | NOpe |
| 22:50.32 | creeperz | You know that over 70% of Utah is Mormon? |
| 22:50.37 | Noodleman | yeah |
| 22:50.43 | Noodleman | i knew that |
| 22:50.43 | creeperz | Oh |
| 22:50.46 | creeperz | Shucks |
| 22:50.49 | creeperz | Ummm |
| 22:50.50 | Noodleman | hehe |
| 22:50.52 | creeperz | :-) |
| 22:51.17 | Noodleman | mormons started utah in the first place |
| 22:51.24 | creeperz | I know that |
| 22:51.27 | creeperz | :-) |
| 22:51.37 | Noodleman | they tried to get independencs |
| 22:51.38 | creeperz | Church History is very odd |
| 22:51.41 | sussudio | you know that 95% of kentucky is moron? |
| 22:51.42 | creeperz | Yup |
| 22:51.42 | Noodleman | *e |
| 22:52.01 | Noodleman | sussudio: haha |
| 22:52.01 | creeperz | sussudio: Are you kidding? |
| 22:52.08 | creeperz | I think you are |
| 22:52.11 | Noodleman | creeperz: look at the spelling |
| 22:52.15 | creeperz | Ohhh |
| 22:52.16 | creeperz | :-) |
| 22:52.26 | sussudio | =:-B |
| 22:52.31 | creeperz | Heh |
| 22:53.12 | creeperz | Oh, in the 6th grade at this middle school (Huron Middle School), they had a whole colomn on Mormons! |
| 22:53.22 | creeperz | "What to do if a Mormon talks to you" |
| 22:53.34 | creeperz | "What to do if your friend becomes a Mormon" |
| 22:53.49 | creeperz | "What to do if you know a person whose a Mormon" |
| 22:53.55 | creeperz | Seriously! |
| 22:54.34 | creeperz | And this was all in school library |
| 22:54.38 | creeperz | the* |
| 22:54.59 | creeperz | ~literal kill |
| 22:55.05 | creeperz | :-/ |
| 22:55.14 | creeperz | Ibot freaks me out sometimes |
| 22:55.16 | | creeperz: I give up, what is it? |
| 22:55.27 | Noodleman | hehe, ibot's really slow right now |
| 22:55.46 | creeperz | Heh |
| 22:56.06 | creeperz | With the literal kill command, ibot used to say "Kill all the mormons!" |
| 22:56.15 | creeperz | Or WAS it morons? |
| 22:56.19 | Noodleman | heh |
| 22:56.43 | creeperz | I think someone changed it from morons to mormons |
| 22:57.02 | creeperz | Deseret! |
| 22:59.18 | Noodlebot | prot-work is a moron!! |
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| 23:00.15 | Noodlebot | and, uhhh, a very stupid one at that, too! |
| 23:00.34 | creeperz | I think ibot has been sharing his botsmack |
| 23:00.40 | Noodleman | heh |
| 23:01.33 | Noodlebot | ibot: give me all of your botsmack! |
| 23:01.33 | | Noodlebot: no idea |
| 23:02.00 | Noodlebot | don't play dumb with me, ibot! i know where you live! |
| 23:02.41 | Patlabor221 | ohh don't do a bot war here please |
| 23:04.29 | fiberchunks | hrmph, after a reload of the nvidia driver, the movies are now working accordingly |
| 23:04.39 | creeperz | What movies? |
| 23:05.10 | Patlabor221 | the cards do support hardware assist in the decoding of video, so it may have been trying to use it |
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| 23:05.49 | larsl | The GeForce cards can decode video? What formats? |
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| 23:06.08 | Patlabor221 | the card can do some of the decoding math |
| 23:06.16 | Patlabor221 | the format is handled byt he driver |
| 23:06.21 | Patlabor221 | that's why it's called hardware assist |
| 23:06.22 | larsl | Oh. |
| 23:06.24 | Patlabor221 | usualy mpeg, ect... |
| 23:06.39 | creeperz | The Linux cursors are weird |
| 23:06.53 | creeperz | Well, cursor is* |
| 23:06.56 | Patlabor221 | linux itself dosn't have a cursor |
| 23:07.07 | creeperz | pointer*? |
| 23:07.10 | fiberchunks | bad day for video at my house -- now i've gotta figgur out what the hell is going on downstairs :\ |
| 23:07.10 | Patlabor221 | nope |
| 23:07.24 | Patlabor221 | the X window manager has a cursor |
| 23:07.27 | Noodleman | linux is just a kernel |
| 23:07.35 | creeperz | Ahhh, I see |
| 23:07.37 | Patlabor221 | X is all the grpahical stuff |
| 23:07.43 | Patlabor221 | and then your WM runs with that |
| 23:07.50 | Patlabor221 | so what WM you using? |
| 23:08.02 | creeperz | I don't know :-) |
| 23:08.08 | Noodleman | windows is a kernel, a gui, a command line, and the standard libraries |
| 23:08.10 | Patlabor221 | gnome |
| 23:08.22 | creeperz | Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaahhh |
| 23:08.23 | Patlabor221 | the redhat default I take it |
| 23:08.23 | fiberchunks | is there a foot, or a K, at the bottom of your screen |
| 23:08.31 | Noodleman | or a hat? |
| 23:08.36 | creeperz | Hat |
| 23:08.37 | fiberchunks | or a hat, gpoint |
| 23:08.40 | creeperz | :-) |
| 23:08.41 | fiberchunks | metacity? |
| 23:08.42 | Patlabor221 | gnome |
| 23:08.51 | Noodleman | metacity is the WM |
| 23:08.55 | Patlabor221 | rh9 makes gnome and kde look like that |
| 23:08.56 | Noodleman | for gnome 2 |
| 23:08.57 | fiberchunks | right |
| 23:09.02 | Patlabor221 | ahh |
| 23:09.12 | creeperz | I have a question |
| 23:09.15 | Patlabor221 | I prefer kde |
| 23:09.16 | fiberchunks | gnome and kde are actually desktop managers (DM |
| 23:09.20 | Patlabor221 | true |
| 23:09.32 | Patlabor221 | I allways get those mixed up |
| 23:09.34 | Patlabor221 | too many parts |
| 23:09.34 | Noodleman | i like gnome when i don't like kde, and vice-versa! |
| 23:09.37 | creeperz | Onthe right side of X-Chat, where the Userlist is |
| 23:09.40 | Patlabor221 | what is the ? creep |
| 23:09.41 | fiberchunks | heh, true |
| 23:09.45 | creeperz | What is that bluebar below the names? |
| 23:09.47 | fiberchunks | I use fluxbox, nothing more |
| 23:10.00 | Patlabor221 | its a blue line |
| 23:10.04 | Noodleman | i like fluxbox when i don't like either gnome or kde :-) |
| 23:10.13 | fiberchunks | heh |
| 23:10.19 | Patlabor221 | I have not tried fluxbox |
| 23:10.23 | Patlabor221 | I didn't like windowmaker |
| 23:10.30 | fiberchunks | I got tired of arguing with KDE, and gnome is nice, but too bloated for my taste |
| 23:10.31 | Noodleman | it is absolutely nothing |
| 23:10.41 | Noodleman | just a WM and a menu |
| 23:10.46 | bzgirl | creeperz: its a lag indicator |
| 23:10.54 | creeperz | Ah |
| 23:11.00 | Patlabor221 | gnome wasn't configurable enogh for me, I was able to set kde up the way I like it |
| 23:11.05 | Noodleman | i've always wanted to know that too |
| 23:11.05 | fiberchunks | literally -- there are no icons, there is no menubar (must right click), there is NO spoon, yet it's highly configurable, and VERY fast |
| 23:11.26 | Patlabor221 | I'm sure it was, but I din't know how to use it, so it pissed me off :) |
| 23:11.39 | bzgirl | fiberchunks i cheat and use flux with icons |
| 23:11.46 | fiberchunks | phbbt :) |
| 23:11.47 | Patlabor221 | kde runs a fine speed for me |
| 23:11.52 | fiberchunks | heretic! |
| 23:12.00 | bzgirl | :) |
| 23:12.08 | Noodleman | kde is terribly slow |
| 23:12.18 | sussudio | slow how |
| 23:12.20 | Noodleman | it's pretty, but otherwise unnice |
| 23:12.20 | fiberchunks | what do you use for a backend, nautilus? or the slit |
| 23:12.25 | Patlabor221 | the one that came with RH9 is faster then the gnome it comes with |
| 23:13.00 | sussudio | what cpu and how much mem Noodlebot |
| 23:13.05 | fiberchunks | kde used to be slower than molasses, but it's pepped up recently -- i just can't stand all the distraction (plus, i hate using the mouse -- i like keybindings :) ) |
| 23:13.05 | Patlabor221 | but then again I did add a "my computer" icon to the kde desktop :) |
| 23:13.07 | sussudio | :-| |
| 23:13.55 | creeperz | Cool! My lag indecator is maxed! :-) |
| 23:13.59 | fiberchunks | my desktop is a perfect reflection of my personality -- boring and gray ;) |
| 23:14.04 | creeperz | And all I did was launch Galeon |
| 23:14.21 | Patlabor221 | creeper is your disk drive thrashing? |
| 23:14.48 | creeperz | Oh no, it's much too old to go to parties :-D |
| 23:14.48 | Noodleman | my desktop is whiteish-gray and blue with a nebula as the bg |
| 23:15.15 | Noodleman | bitstream vera and bodoni are the fonts i'm using too |
| 23:15.17 | Patlabor221 | mine is the master cheif :) |
| 23:15.28 | creeperz | Heh |
| 23:15.29 | Patlabor221 | tho it's due for a change |
| 23:15.32 | creeperz | Master Cheif id da man! |
| 23:15.55 | Patlabor221 | actualy he's a cyborg with a womans personality implanted in his head |
| 23:15.56 | fiberchunks | so, who here can tell me why a gf4 ti 4600, doesn't feel like booting properly (can't use any other mode than vga=normal) - i've heard it's something to do with the video bios and the framebuffer -- but i have no idea what |
| 23:16.22 | creeperz | Oops |
| 23:16.30 | Patlabor221 | does your kenel need an agp 8x update? |
| 23:16.30 | creeperz | What is "kget"? |
| 23:16.38 | Noodleman | fiberchunks: what framebuffer driver are you using? |
| 23:16.39 | fiberchunks | didn't know there was one |
| 23:16.41 | Patlabor221 | problably a graphical wget |
| 23:17.01 | creeperz | Theres no place like Windows |
| 23:17.02 | fiberchunks | Noodleman: whatever one comes on mandrake 9.1 install disks |
| 23:17.08 | creeperz | ;-) |
| 23:17.18 | Noodleman | hhm, i'd think that'd be the VESA driver |
| 23:17.21 | fiberchunks | and, Patlabor221, is there a agp 8x kernel update? |
| 23:17.25 | Noodleman | that would be right |
| 23:17.45 | creeperz | Who hates AOL? |
| 23:17.46 | Patlabor221 | I dono, it was just a thought |
| 23:18.02 | Noodleman | everyone hates AOL |
| 23:18.08 | fiberchunks | it's irritating, since my old gf3 ti 500 worked a treat (i do believe you are supposed to make products _better_ than their predecessors, not worse?!) |
| 23:18.12 | creeperz | Yippee |
| 23:18.35 | Patlabor221 | my GF4 works fine in my lin machine when it was in there |
| 23:18.48 | fiberchunks | yeah, which makes me even more po'd |
| 23:18.50 | Noodleman | i have used a gf4 mx fine |
| 23:18.50 | Patlabor221 | does your mobo support 8X? |
| 23:18.56 | fiberchunks | no, just 4x |
| 23:18.57 | Patlabor221 | MX is dif |
| 23:19.10 | fiberchunks | but someone told me that the 8x card would clock down to 4x |
| 23:19.11 | creeperz | When I was living back in Washington, there was an AOL6.0 comemrcial on, I think. I had AOL at the time :-( |
| 23:19.15 | Patlabor221 | it should |
| 23:19.41 | fiberchunks | Patlabor221: who manuf your gf4? |
| 23:19.45 | Patlabor221 | but maybe your bios dosnt' like it |
| 23:19.47 | creeperz | I said that AOL sucked and this girl turned around, she was a B!tch!, and slapped me and said "AOL ROCKS, RETARD!" |
| 23:19.49 | Patlabor221 | gainward |
| 23:19.59 | fiberchunks | hrm |
| 23:20.09 | fiberchunks | wish visiontek was still in business :\ |
| 23:20.22 | creeperz | She sat right in front of me |
| 23:20.26 | Noodleman | "Velveeta is cheese food, meaning that it's what cheese eats. Dogs eat dog food, right? I frequently leave a little velveeta laying outside on the ground, in hopes of luring some real cheese out of the wild, so I can eat it." |
| 23:20.30 | fiberchunks | well, that's a good point, i could go flash my bios |
| 23:20.37 | creeperz | Then the one day she turned around and spit in my face |
| 23:20.44 | fiberchunks | lol |
| 23:20.56 | creeperz | I hit her in the back on the head with a binder and got in major troubke |
| 23:20.59 | Patlabor221 | big hit with the ladies then arn't ya? |
| 23:21.01 | creeperz | Ok, I have to go |
| 23:21.04 | creeperz | :-) |
| 23:21.11 | creeperz | G2G |
| 23:21.12 | bzgirl | i like this girl :) |
| 23:21.15 | fiberchunks | heh |
| 23:21.31 | Patlabor221 | I realy don't know how much more of that I can take |
| 23:22.16 | fiberchunks | so, several options: 1) flash my mobo bios (which i'd avoid if possible), 2) get a different vid card (avoid if possible), 3) find out (as if i haven't been doing this all day) what is going on |
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| 23:22.40 | bzgirl | fiber what if you dont use vga+normal? and use some nuber instead? |
| 23:22.58 | bzgirl | i used to use for example vga=791 or something |
| 23:23.02 | bzgirl | cant remeber |
| 23:23.57 | fiberchunks | well, my old lilo was configured precisely vga=761 (1024x768, iirc), and when I swapped the card in, it got past POST, got to lilo graphic screen (not cli), and then: black screen, blinking CAP, and SCROLL keys |
| 23:24.04 | Noodleman | yeah, i use vga=791 |
| 23:24.42 | fiberchunks | the only way I've found to get it rolling is with vga=normal -- but i have no idea why i should need to do this when i didn't with the gf3 ti 500 (i thought vesa bioses were all the same?) |
| 23:25.54 | fiberchunks | plus, this bizarre behavior is _really_ going to make me question the stability of my system down the line, which i don't like (i.e. is a system freeze a result of a bogus driver, or a bogus hardware interaction?) |
| 23:25.54 | bzgirl | not sure |
| 23:27.30 | rbergero | I use vga=0x0317 |
| 23:28.24 | fiberchunks | i suppose i could try another distro -- been meaning to fiddle with gentoo anyway :) |
| 23:28.44 | Patlabor221 | arn't ther gentoo boot CDs? |
| 23:28.54 | Patlabor221 | that come with nividia drivers and stuff? |
| 23:29.03 | Patlabor221 | like those game bundles? |
| 23:29.07 | fiberchunks | yes, and then it's mostly grab and compile |
| 23:29.14 | fiberchunks | dunno, perhaps |
| 23:29.33 | Patlabor221 | well you could get one of those CDs and make sure you boot to it, then you would know if it's OS, or bios |
| 23:29.45 | Noodleman | man |
| 23:29.48 | fiberchunks | the irony of this is, is that my .iso are all on the damn desktop, which is currently unusable |
| 23:29.59 | Noodleman | i don't normally like cake, but this is good |
| 23:30.05 | fiberchunks | ah -- there's a good idea, Patlabor221 |
| 23:30.19 | bzgirl | boot into single and copy/butn the iso without X |
| 23:30.27 | Patlabor221 | hmmm rei desktop, or shirow desktop |
| 23:30.28 | fiberchunks | can't |
| 23:30.37 | fiberchunks | :) |
| 23:30.44 | bzgirl | oh , cant get past lilo :( |
| 23:30.49 | fiberchunks | bingo |
| 23:30.56 | Patlabor221 | you only have 1 computer? |
| 23:31.02 | fiberchunks | no, got the laptop |
| 23:31.11 | fiberchunks | that's what i'll d/l and burn on |
| 23:31.44 | bzgirl | whats your desktop distro? |
| 23:32.40 | bzgirl | maybe there are other users with that card and that problem |
| 23:33.37 | Patlabor221 | it's just a GF4 TI it should be fine |
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| 23:34.27 | greg1 | chestal ? |
| 23:35.29 | Noodleman | compiling php will prolly take a long time |
| 23:35.31 | Noodleman | hehe |
| 23:35.43 | fiberchunks | mandrake (which i'm quickly beginning to hate) |
| 23:36.13 | fiberchunks | Patlabor221: yeah, that's what i thought too *boo hoo* :\ |
| 23:37.15 | fiberchunks | as long as i can save my partitions on my data drive (which i think i intelligently separated), i'll be happy -- 12 G of burned CDs, I don't want to do again :) |
| 23:38.14 | Patlabor221 | glow even |
| 23:38.21 | sussudio | cheaters get real annoyed when you logon with their name + space |
| 23:38.29 | Noodleman | hehe |
| 23:38.36 | Noodleman | i wonder why? |
| 23:38.43 | sussudio | yeah.. i wonder. |
| 23:38.53 | Noodleman | tongue -> cheek |
| 23:39.58 | Noodlebot | welcome back, creeperz |
| 23:40.09 | creeperz | Danke |
| 23:41.03 | Noodleman | june is bot abuse awareness month! |
| 23:41.10 | greg1 | .leave |
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| 23:41.21 | Noodleman | hehe |
| 23:41.24 | creeperz | Heh |
| 23:41.46 | Noodlebot | so glad to be appreciated. |
| 23:41.51 | Noodleman | more cake |
| 23:42.18 | Noodlebot | give me cake! |
| 23:42.33 | creeperz | Mmmm |
| 23:42.34 | creeperz | Cake |
| 23:43.21 | creeperz | Anyone else want cake? :-) |
| 23:43.38 | creeperz | Who is root? |
| 23:44.13 | creeperz | Woah |
| 23:44.17 | Noodleman | i am :-) |
| 23:44.19 | rbergero | root is the man |
| 23:44.26 | creeperz | Heh |
| 23:45.04 | Noodleman | bzg's quit message is a play on the fact that feminists like to say that God is a woman |
| 23:45.19 | creeperz | Ohh |
| 23:45.32 | Noodleman | ~sqrt 2019482149193193103 |
| 23:45.38 | creeperz | I don't really beleive God is a woman |
| 23:45.42 | Noodleman | hmm, no go |
| 23:45.49 | creeperz | Ibot is a retard |
| 23:45.49 | | creeperz: no idea |
| 23:45.55 | creeperz | ~iobot |
| 23:45.57 | creeperz | ~ibot |
| 23:45.58 | | from memory, ibot is a blootbot now, no longer an infobot. run by BZFlag (TimRiker) on his server. see blootbot also http://blootbot.sourceforge.net/ it uses SQLite but can use MySQL or other SQL for storage. |
| 23:45.58 | Noodlebot | ibot is a retard |
| 23:45.58 | | Noodlebot: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 23:46.01 | creeperz | :-) |
| 23:46.46 | Noodleman | creeperz: the square root of 2,019,482,149,193,193,103 is 1421084849.39964 |
| 23:46.57 | Patlabor221 | I don't beive god is a god :) |
| 23:47.08 | Patlabor221 | a woman can be a godess tho |
| 23:47.26 | creeperz | Bismark Temmple is where I'm gooin gto |
| 23:47.33 | creeperz | Back later |
| 23:47.41 | Patlabor221 | wow thanks for the update |
| 23:47.48 | Patlabor221 | I'll put it in the dayplaner |
| 23:48.23 | larsl | What's a temple recomend? |
| 23:48.40 | Noodleman | don't know |
| 23:48.53 | Patlabor221 | probably something where they tell him where to go to pray |
| 23:49.12 | rbergero | sounds like something to fill a resome with ;) "he's recommended by the foo Temple" |
| 23:49.12 | Noodleman | as a mormon, you don't go to a temple to pray |
| 23:49.32 | Patlabor221 | ahh |
| 23:49.32 | sussudio | how would you even find the time with 25 wives |
| 23:49.36 | Noodleman | temples are just for baptisms, funerals, marriages, etc |
| 23:49.53 | Patlabor221 | and aperantly recomendations |
| 23:50.08 | Noodleman | the mormon church gave up polygamy a long time ago |
| 23:50.32 | Patlabor221 | yeah now they just use there missions to find additions to there gene pool |
| 23:50.40 | Noodleman | i'm not a mormon, btw, just know a lot about the church |
| 23:52.07 | Noodleman | the mormon church has a sordid history |
| 23:52.26 | Patlabor221 | most western religions do :0 |
| 23:52.26 | Noodleman | although, so does mainstream christianity, sadly enough |
| 23:52.56 | Patlabor221 | scientology dosn't :) |
| 23:53.41 | Noodleman | haha |
| 23:53.58 | Noodleman | you betcha it don't ;-) |
| 23:54.01 | fiberchunks | l ron hubbard |
| 23:54.11 | fiberchunks | are you clear? |
| 23:54.13 | Patlabor221 | I remember reading that L.Ron said in the end, it was just a joke, and he didn't think it woudl catch on. |
| 23:54.15 | Noodleman | that's screwed up enough |
| 23:54.26 | fiberchunks | hehe |
| 23:54.39 | Patlabor221 | it was some sort of bet with another author |
| 23:54.43 | fiberchunks | same guy who wrote battlefield earth |
| 23:54.48 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 23:54.49 | Noodleman | yeah |
| 23:54.53 | Patlabor221 | and that was a good book |
| 23:54.53 | larsl | But is it really more screwed up than most other religions? |
| 23:54.57 | fiberchunks | yes, it was |
| 23:55.04 | Patlabor221 | move SUCKED tho |
| 23:55.05 | Noodleman | oh, yes it is |
| 23:55.07 | Patlabor221 | and I mean SUCKED |
| 23:55.08 | fiberchunks | no, just a different flavor of screwedness |
| 23:55.33 | larsl | Maybe 'screwed up' is the wrong term. I meant more like 'weird'. =) |
| 23:55.36 | Patlabor221 | most flock based religions have some screwedness |
| 23:55.44 | fiberchunks | i didn't see it, because i actually read all 1400 pages of that thing -- and there is NO way a movie can be as good as a book that long ;) |
| 23:56.04 | Patlabor221 | the movie made my brain hurt |
| 23:56.17 | fiberchunks | they are all equally weird, imho, but to each his own |
| 23:56.35 | Noodleman | but, i guess everyone has the right to be stupid as long as he doesn't hurt anyone else in the process |
| 23:57.06 | fiberchunks | that's funny, that's precisely what i was arguing concerning drug legalization on the forum hahahahaha |
| 23:57.41 | Noodleman | i think all drugs (alcohol, tobacco included) should be either legal or illegal |
| 23:57.51 | Noodleman | no pussy-footing around |
| 23:57.57 | fiberchunks | read the chat topic, if you want my take on things |
| 23:58.08 | fiberchunks | but yes, that makes absolutely clear sense |
| 23:58.22 | fiberchunks | and others takes as well |
| 23:58.48 | Patlabor221 | yeah well people usualy don't know when they are hurting others till it's too late sadly |
| 23:58.58 | Noodleman | education should not be mandatory, and anyone with less than a C for two semesters is out |
| 23:59.02 | fiberchunks | bah -- evolution in action |
| 23:59.33 | Noodleman | not being educated does not mean you are stupid, just not educated |
| 23:59.35 | Patlabor221 | poor creeper woudl have been out in 3rd grade |
| 23:59.43 | Noodleman | maybe |
| 23:59.55 | fiberchunks | unless it involves another, let em do what they want. if they hurt someone else, cut any appendage off, or shoot them -- less cruft in the gene pool |