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| 00:08.17 | Patlabor221 | not if you got someone else to drive you home |
| 00:09.22 | Patlabor221 | fiber 190 seems a bit high |
| 00:09.34 | Patlabor221 | but that's a much better card then a FX5200 |
| 00:09.54 | Patlabor221 | card should be about 170-180 |
| 00:13.09 | Patlabor221 | I can get slower cards for cheaper I know that, but I can't find out about that specific one till tomrow |
| 00:15.49 | Jormungandr | man.. my server clock was 15 minutes fast. |
| 00:16.03 | michaelh2 | how shocking |
| 00:16.10 | Jormungandr | for me, it is. :) |
| 00:16.19 | Jormungandr | I am usually pretty picky about that stuff. |
| 00:16.21 | Patlabor221 | isn't there a thing where you can get it to sync to some sorta world uber time center? |
| 00:16.25 | Jormungandr | nod |
| 00:16.37 | michaelh2 | my computer is routinely 20 minutes fast even after I change it |
| 00:16.38 | Jormungandr | I have to add ntpdate command to the cron |
| 00:18.56 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 00:18.58 | Jormungandr | hray! |
| 00:19.17 | Jormungandr | bbiab |
| 00:21.30 | Patlabor221 | cus a text file ain't gonna cut it anymore |
| 00:21.53 | michaelh2 | was based on a bz-like world file? |
| 00:22.01 | Patlabor221 | it was |
| 00:22.16 | Patlabor221 | it was an enhanced BZFlagish format |
| 00:22.42 | Patlabor221 | but if this works it won't be a "bounded plane with some stuff in it" type of world anymore |
| 00:23.29 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: what does the new format look like? |
| 00:23.37 | Patlabor221 | I think it'll be binary |
| 00:23.47 | Patlabor221 | but I haven't writen it to data yet |
| 00:24.02 | Patlabor221 | I don't think anyone would want to hand write one of these |
| 00:24.29 | Patlabor221 | I could concevably make it a text format |
| 00:24.49 | Patlabor221 | but I just wonder what it would buy me |
| 00:26.10 | Patlabor221 | since it's cell,edge,texture,and object definintions now |
| 00:26.22 | Patlabor221 | ohh I'm gonna have an endian issue arn't I? |
| 00:29.27 | michaelh2 | hmmm |
| 00:29.29 | captain_proton | for what? |
| 00:30.21 | Patlabor221 | binary stuff, or are there no more processors that don't do it the intell way? |
| 00:31.08 | rbergero | no, there are still big-endian processors ;) |
| 00:31.20 | captain_proton | there are a lot of big-endian processors |
| 00:31.21 | michaelh2 | intel is usually the exception is it not? |
| 00:31.25 | Patlabor221 | would they not have a problem then? |
| 00:31.26 | captain_proton | but we have no big-endian users at the moment |
| 00:31.32 | Patlabor221 | true |
| 00:31.49 | Patlabor221 | woudln't be able to make a68k mac version :) |
| 00:31.51 | captain_proton | usually binary data files are stored in network byte-order |
| 00:32.04 | Patlabor221 | and that is? |
| 00:32.06 | rbergero | Patlabor221: or a powerpc version :( |
| 00:32.14 | rbergero | big-endian |
| 00:32.24 | captain_proton | right |
| 00:32.27 | Patlabor221 | well the mac porter can take care of it :) |
| 00:32.48 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: just use the hbo-nbo converter functions when storing/reading data and all will be happy |
| 00:33.04 | Patlabor221 | well I will make sure it works first :) |
| 00:33.20 | fiberchunks | allo |
| 00:33.25 | Patlabor221 | supzor |
| 00:33.33 | fiberchunks | nada |
| 00:33.38 | michaelh2 | do we have all of *one* mac coder? |
| 00:33.42 | michaelh2 | ? |
| 00:33.48 | fiberchunks | bbiab |
| 00:33.51 | Patlabor221 | I think 3 |
| 00:34.03 | michaelh2 | ooooooohhhhh :) |
| 00:34.08 | michaelh2 | ahhhhhhhh |
| 00:34.15 | Patlabor221 | any my thing will be much cooler so we will get more :) |
| 00:36.01 | captain_proton | heh |
| 00:36.13 | Jormungandr | I'm going to stick a 2 shot server back on dragon.org, I think. |
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| 00:38.05 | Jormungandr | do you usually order online? |
| 00:38.10 | sussudio | yeah, it's so hard to shift and pick up the phone |
| 00:38.12 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 00:38.15 | michaelh2 | really now why should anyone have to use a phone..... |
| 00:38.22 | Patlabor221 | it's just a ponderince |
| 00:38.32 | sussudio | you can order dogfood online. |
| 00:38.43 | Patlabor221 | the phone is the thing that they made me get to get DSL right? |
| 00:38.44 | Jormungandr | ah |
| 00:38.51 | Patlabor221 | I can oder anything from vons online |
| 00:39.47 | Patlabor221 | cus with the inernet I coudl make getMeAPizza.pl and then just click that |
| 00:39.52 | Jormungandr | so what do I need to add to my conf file to fix the velocity kick problems? |
| 00:40.14 | Patlabor221 | ohh your gonna make me remember it arn't you |
| 00:40.18 | Jormungandr | nod |
| 00:40.20 | Patlabor221 | -speed something |
| 00:40.20 | Jormungandr | ;) |
| 00:40.28 | Patlabor221 | damn |
| 00:40.39 | Patlabor221 | ohh I know |
| 00:40.50 | Patlabor221 | man bzfs ha!!! :) |
| 00:41.00 | Jormungandr | heh |
| 00:41.11 | Patlabor221 | no realy, I put it in there I dn't remember |
| 00:41.24 | doughecka | hah |
| 00:42.40 | Patlabor221 | -speedtol |
| 00:42.44 | Patlabor221 | then your new tolerance |
| 00:42.48 | Patlabor221 | default is 1.125 |
| 00:43.41 | captain_proton | huh |
| 00:44.10 | michaelh2 | don't we all |
| 00:44.22 | michaelh2 | ...... errrrrrr |
| 00:44.39 | Jormungandr | is this speedtol a multiplier? |
| 00:44.43 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 00:44.52 | Patlabor221 | 1.0 is 1x the suposed speed |
| 00:44.55 | Jormungandr | hrm. |
| 00:45.01 | Patlabor221 | so you would want to make it more then 1.125 |
| 00:45.11 | Patlabor221 | if you don't want the speed kick at all make it like 10 |
| 00:45.21 | doughecka | does it allow making it smaller? |
| 00:45.22 | Patlabor221 | or some other realy large number |
| 00:45.23 | Jormungandr | maybe 2 sounds about right. |
| 00:45.25 | Patlabor221 | sure |
| 00:45.49 | Patlabor221 | but less then 1 would kick EVERYONE who moved :) |
| 00:45.57 | doughecka | haha |
| 00:46.07 | Patlabor221 | well moved over the param |
| 00:46.13 | Patlabor221 | you coudl be ok if you went slow |
| 00:46.22 | Patlabor221 | all keyboard users would get kicked :) |
| 00:46.27 | doughecka | heh |
| 00:46.39 | Jormungandr | I need to import my banlist, etc. |
| 00:46.40 | Jormungandr | bah |
| 00:46.53 | Jormungandr | we need a banlist file. |
| 00:47.05 | Jormungandr | one ip/range per line |
| 00:47.11 | Patlabor221 | that is a truethfull statement |
| 00:47.25 | Patlabor221 | I'm going to work on the amin changes some more this week |
| 00:47.30 | Jormungandr | cool |
| 00:47.31 | Patlabor221 | I can see about ading it in |
| 00:47.43 | Jormungandr | excellent |
| 00:47.46 | Patlabor221 | actualy I need to start testing it |
| 00:48.10 | Jormungandr | well, I'm holding off on doing dragon.org until I can go down and change ips and routing by hand. |
| 00:48.24 | Jormungandr | pat, I can test on secretplace on a second port, too. |
| 00:48.31 | Patlabor221 | ok |
| 00:48.36 | Jormungandr | eventually move to live server. |
| 00:48.37 | Patlabor221 | tho not all the features are set up |
| 00:48.40 | Jormungandr | nod |
| 00:48.57 | Patlabor221 | all you can do now is register, identify, ghost, and set someones groups |
| 00:49.20 | Patlabor221 | no explicid allows or denys, and none of the new info commands |
| 00:49.21 | Jormungandr | that's not too bad. |
| 00:49.33 | Patlabor221 | yeah it would be somewhat usefull |
| 00:49.43 | Patlabor221 | need to add the new auto cick |
| 00:49.48 | Patlabor221 | if you don't reg |
| 00:49.52 | Jormungandr | nod |
| 00:50.04 | Patlabor221 | also I am thinking about a disalowed nick list. |
| 00:50.16 | michaelh2 | Jorg -- that wouldn't be hard to do -- but with the "one big huge file" format bzfs is in, it's hard to reuse the client code... |
| 00:50.18 | Jormungandr | we also need callsign filters so people can't join with certain strings in their callsigns. |
| 00:50.21 | Patlabor221 | since It can all be hooked together |
| 00:50.26 | Patlabor221 | that's what I mean |
| 00:50.41 | Patlabor221 | you provide a word list, if that word aprears in the callsign it can't be registerd |
| 00:50.54 | Patlabor221 | maybe even an autokick |
| 00:50.55 | michaelh2 | would be nice if we didn't wind up with 10 different text files .. :) |
| 00:50.58 | Jormungandr | nod |
| 00:51.19 | Jormungandr | michael, I run a different conf file for each map. |
| 00:51.20 | Patlabor221 | well the idea is to split them up so they could be shared later as databased |
| 00:51.31 | Jormungandr | so it's not practical to update each one with the banlist |
| 00:51.51 | Jormungandr | if I could use an -include bans.txt |
| 00:51.54 | Jormungandr | that might work out. |
| 00:52.06 | Patlabor221 | it's what -banlist ( and a bunch of IPs) now? |
| 00:52.09 | michaelh2 | simple enough to do |
| 00:52.11 | Jormungandr | nod |
| 00:52.28 | Jormungandr | it should also remember bans between restarts. |
| 00:52.37 | Patlabor221 | then I'll just make it look at the param for the first . and if it dosn't resolve to a number treat it as a file. |
| 00:52.37 | michaelh2 | ah so |
| 00:52.58 | Patlabor221 | just don't name your file 206.123.3.* :) |
| 00:53.05 | Jormungandr | bzfs needs to get out of the "some random gamer running a server on his box" mentality to a real server model. |
| 00:53.15 | Jormungandr | heh |
| 00:53.37 | Jormungandr | we server nazis want control! ;) |
| 00:54.39 | Jormungandr | I'm still waiting on root nameservers to see my registration transfer for tiphareth.net, so I can finish all my IP changes. |
| 00:54.50 | michaelh2 | you mean like perhaps -- a web interface ? :) |
| 00:54.59 | Jormungandr | I'm not big on web interfaces. |
| 00:55.04 | Jormungandr | I like my command line. |
| 00:55.05 | michaelh2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:55.08 | michaelh2 | :) |
| 00:55.09 | Patlabor221 | I mean like something way more then what bz does now |
| 00:55.10 | Jormungandr | it was my suggestion for the conf file. |
| 00:55.24 | Patlabor221 | and with what cap says admin should have a boat load of options. |
| 00:55.28 | Jormungandr | the conf file was a HUGE help for me. |
| 00:55.39 | Patlabor221 | like servers loging into IRC directly to be admined |
| 00:55.44 | Jormungandr | hrm. |
| 00:55.47 | Jormungandr | that'd be cool. |
| 00:56.08 | Jormungandr | I'd be happy with a text interface that would pass text messages back and forth to the server, and allow admin commands. |
| 00:56.20 | Jormungandr | ignore all the positioning BS, etc. |
| 00:56.20 | Patlabor221 | well also a server can run more then one game, and realy a true server setup takes more then one "server" |
| 00:56.27 | Jormungandr | nod |
| 00:56.40 | Patlabor221 | caps talking about all sorts of neat python stuff :) |
| 00:56.49 | Jormungandr | I don't mind running a seperate process per game, though. |
| 00:57.03 | Jormungandr | because I can use separate conf files for each. |
| 00:57.07 | Jormungandr | different flags, etc. |
| 00:57.14 | Patlabor221 | my idea will let people spawn "rooms" if the server allows it for private games |
| 00:57.25 | Jormungandr | that might be fun. |
| 00:57.33 | Jormungandr | I gotta drive home. later. |
| 00:57.39 | Patlabor221 | server ops can set up difrent rooms on the same server with difrent games too |
| 00:57.41 | Patlabor221 | have fun |
| 00:57.46 | doughecka | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:57.53 | doughecka | oh, right :) |
| 00:58.03 | Patlabor221 | none of this CTF on one port, FFA on another |
| 00:58.03 | doughecka | arenas |
| 00:58.22 | Patlabor221 | you log into a server and it lists the games available |
| 00:58.31 | Patlabor221 | and can hop from one to another |
| 00:58.37 | doughecka | sweet |
| 00:58.47 | Patlabor221 | as far as the server is concerned you are a "client" |
| 00:58.57 | Patlabor221 | the game classes handle the data that gets sent to you |
| 00:59.03 | doughecka | so it would be all server side? |
| 00:59.20 | Patlabor221 | well the server would need to keep a game state for each "game" that is running |
| 00:59.24 | Patlabor221 | so there would be a limit |
| 00:59.32 | michaelh2 | heh |
| 00:59.46 | michaelh2 | super-multiplexed |
| 00:59.50 | doughecka | heh |
| 01:00.02 | Patlabor221 | well you could also have "games" that spaned servers |
| 01:00.07 | michaelh2 | lets run 100 games ..... :) |
| 01:00.07 | Patlabor221 | where the servers share there game state |
| 01:00.19 | doughecka | hmm |
| 01:00.20 | Patlabor221 | so you log into the server that is closest to you |
| 01:00.28 | doughecka | that would be waaay into the future |
| 01:00.29 | doughecka | :) |
| 01:00.34 | doughecka | yea, like an IRC server |
| 01:00.39 | Patlabor221 | and the servers ( who usualy have more bandwith ) handle the interaction |
| 01:00.43 | Patlabor221 | yeah kinda like IRC |
| 01:00.51 | Patlabor221 | but with laser guided mortars |
| 01:00.56 | doughecka | woohaa |
| 01:00.57 | michaelh2 | o k |
| 01:01.19 | Patlabor221 | if it's not too lagy tho, that part is just an idea |
| 01:01.41 | doughecka | yea |
| 01:01.54 | michaelh2 | there will be no more individual servers -- all servers will become one...... |
| 01:01.59 | Patlabor221 | but the plan allso calls for comon player databased |
| 01:02.03 | michaelh2 | all one big happy bz game |
| 01:02.03 | Patlabor221 | and "ref" servers |
| 01:02.23 | doughecka | when there is over 1000 players at one time, we can start thinking about that :P |
| 01:02.36 | Patlabor221 | well the plan is to make it more of a place like that, you play, and just go to the "game" you want |
| 01:02.58 | doughecka | ffa, ctf ctc |
| 01:02.59 | doughecka | etc |
| 01:03.02 | Patlabor221 | CTC |
| 01:03.17 | doughecka | fergot the comma |
| 01:03.29 | doughecka | rvr |
| 01:03.29 | Patlabor221 | CTC will rock :) |
| 01:03.31 | doughecka | rvc |
| 01:03.47 | Patlabor221 | rape victors chicken? |
| 01:03.58 | doughecka | robbersvscops :P |
| 01:04.09 | Patlabor221 | you mean asult |
| 01:04.17 | doughecka | hmm |
| 01:04.38 | Patlabor221 | LMS should be interesting too |
| 01:04.44 | doughecka | dunno, theres one flag, and one base, both of them move around after each capture |
| 01:04.54 | doughecka | and one team has to keep the other team from going it |
| 01:05.09 | Patlabor221 | that sounds like a booring random version of asult |
| 01:05.35 | Patlabor221 | there will be no random maps |
| 01:05.38 | doughecka | random is fun :) |
| 01:05.59 | doughecka | :) |
| 01:06.08 | Patlabor221 | random is fun when all your current maps are bland and uninspired |
| 01:06.18 | Patlabor221 | you mean a maplist? |
| 01:06.26 | Patlabor221 | that will be suported |
| 01:06.31 | doughecka | hm |
| 01:06.34 | doughecka | I guess |
| 01:06.39 | Patlabor221 | but after each game ( capture/time limit) |
| 01:06.46 | doughecka | yea |
| 01:06.59 | Patlabor221 | you coudl set that to 1 |
| 01:07.02 | doughecka | hmm, will g2 have map caching? |
| 01:07.07 | Patlabor221 | but then your snipers would get pissed |
| 01:07.10 | Patlabor221 | G0 does |
| 01:07.11 | doughecka | heheh |
| 01:07.17 | doughecka | ah |
| 01:07.38 | Patlabor221 | it looks like there will have to be vertical aiming so there will be snipers |
| 01:07.52 | doughecka | there is virtical shooting patch |
| 01:08.01 | michaelh2 | ? |
| 01:08.03 | Patlabor221 | this is a difrent type |
| 01:08.08 | doughecka | but only other patched clients will work with it |
| 01:08.21 | Patlabor221 | but in your "patch" the ground is flat |
| 01:08.28 | doughecka | oh |
| 01:08.37 | Patlabor221 | here ground != flat |
| 01:08.44 | michaelh2 | oooooooooohhhhhhhhhh |
| 01:08.51 | doughecka | bah, then it aint gonna be in G2 ;) |
| 01:09.12 | Patlabor221 | do you think I am speaking of anything that has a 1.7 in it? |
| 01:09.22 | Patlabor221 | or evena 1.9 |
| 01:09.27 | doughecka | 2.0! |
| 01:09.31 | Patlabor221 | lower |
| 01:09.51 | doughecka | err, 2.0z9 |
| 01:09.51 | michaelh2 | you've got that bzVision thang |
| 01:09.58 | Patlabor221 | ? |
| 01:10.08 | Patlabor221 | doug when you see it, it will be 1.0 |
| 01:10.17 | doughecka | heh |
| 01:11.31 | Patlabor221 | this change will remove the last of the "BZ" type things |
| 01:11.38 | doughecka | heh |
| 01:11.48 | doughecka | get out of the 90s, into the 00s |
| 01:11.49 | doughecka | :) |
| 01:12.20 | Patlabor221 | "Fear will keep the local servers in line, fear of this fully armed and operational project" |
| 01:12.29 | doughecka | heh |
| 01:12.33 | michaelh2 | oooo kk |
| 01:12.39 | doughecka | how about self updating servers? :) |
| 01:12.56 | michaelh2 | the world before the bz-bots took over :) |
| 01:13.09 | Patlabor221 | there will be a CMS so it could hold base code as well |
| 01:13.23 | Patlabor221 | and at least notify server ops of a new verion |
| 01:13.31 | doughecka | cool |
| 01:13.36 | Patlabor221 | but I would not want to just shut down and update code automaticly |
| 01:13.41 | michaelh2 | and annoy them with some message? |
| 01:13.51 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 01:13.55 | doughecka | yea |
| 01:14.00 | michaelh2 | WOULD YOU LIKE TO UPDATE??????????????????????????? |
| 01:14.03 | michaelh2 | HUH HUH HUH? |
| 01:14.51 | Patlabor221 | but then if the server is too old, and the clients don't have the same versions of the game classes then they won't see those rooms |
| 01:15.09 | michaelh2 | or perhaps they just crash :) |
| 01:15.13 | Patlabor221 | naw |
| 01:15.16 | Patlabor221 | this isn't bz |
| 01:15.27 | doughecka | lol |
| 01:15.31 | michaelh2 | crash crash crash |
| 01:15.36 | Patlabor221 | or if the game class was done as a python plugin the code coudl just be sent |
| 01:15.42 | captain_proton | bwahaha |
| 01:15.48 | captain_proton | if Patlabor221 lets me do the python stuff i want to do |
| 01:15.54 | captain_proton | it would be possible to udpate the server without ever stopping it |
| 01:15.56 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 01:16.02 | Patlabor221 | I want to be able to have both :) |
| 01:16.07 | doughecka | heh |
| 01:16.29 | michaelh2 | but then you'd have to basically write the entire server in python wouldn't you? |
| 01:16.31 | captain_proton | yay for brats |
| 01:16.39 | captain_proton | michaelh2: sure, why not? :) |
| 01:16.43 | doughecka | gah |
| 01:16.47 | doughecka | imagin the lag |
| 01:16.56 | captain_proton | doughecka: python is quite speedy |
| 01:16.59 | captain_proton | it does a nice JIT |
| 01:17.07 | doughecka | yea, :) |
| 01:17.17 | michaelh2 | how about vb 6? |
| 01:17.20 | michaelh2 | :) |
| 01:17.23 | captain_proton | and lag has nothing to do with processing speed and everything to do with network latency |
| 01:17.27 | doughecka | hmm, to run a server... please install python.. :P |
| 01:17.43 | Patlabor221 | well cap wants it all in python |
| 01:17.48 | michaelh2 | .. not that I know .. |
| 01:17.50 | doughecka | bzflag too? :P |
| 01:17.55 | Patlabor221 | I want it in both, mixed |
| 01:18.01 | Patlabor221 | just to keep cap on his toes |
| 01:18.14 | doughecka | hmm, would be simple in debugging it :) no compiling |
| 01:18.17 | Patlabor221 | some game classes in python and some in C on the same machine :) |
| 01:18.20 | doughecka | no linking :P |
| 01:18.53 | captain_proton | i think the sexiest part is that python can reload all its classes mid-execution |
| 01:19.03 | Patlabor221 | that is a nice thing |
| 01:19.08 | doughecka | that sounds cool |
| 01:19.17 | captain_proton | leading to the aforementioned upgrades sans downtime |
| 01:19.18 | doughecka | so that would mean autoupdating games? |
| 01:19.21 | Patlabor221 | sounds kinda security holeish tho |
| 01:19.26 | michaelh2 | isn't that a "Bad Thing" ? |
| 01:19.35 | doughecka | naw |
| 01:19.40 | doughecka | who would want to attack bzflag? |
| 01:19.47 | Patlabor221 | cell |
| 01:19.47 | captain_proton | michaelh2: howso |
| 01:19.58 | captain_proton | its not really a security hole |
| 01:20.01 | michaelh2 | I mean what kind of programming would you do if your classes could suddenly change? |
| 01:20.09 | doughecka | :P |
| 01:20.17 | michaelh2 | I presume you have to make everyting backwards compatible? |
| 01:20.18 | Patlabor221 | gamestate could get hozed |
| 01:20.42 | captain_proton | well you'd have to design around it as far as gamestate was concerned |
| 01:20.51 | doughecka | oh ho ho, if you call apple store, and put a wrong area code in, you get the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation |
| 01:21.14 | captain_proton | ie: when you get the upgrade command, serialize the gamestate, then reload it once the upgrade was complete |
| 01:21.15 | Patlabor221 | call 1800 s0s apple |
| 01:21.25 | doughecka | yea, but its still odd :P |
| 01:21.38 | Patlabor221 | no realy call THAT EXACT number :) |
| 01:21.42 | doughecka | s0s apple? that sounds lame :P |
| 01:21.51 | michaelh2 | It'd become like microsoft.... joinGame goinGameEx joinGameEx2 joinGameExEx2 |
| 01:21.53 | Patlabor221 | the real number is sos apple |
| 01:22.04 | doughecka | ah, so whats this nunmber? |
| 01:22.08 | Patlabor221 | porn |
| 01:22.11 | doughecka | thought so |
| 01:22.22 | michaelh2 | what numbbbbbbbbbbberrrrrrrr |
| 01:22.27 | Patlabor221 | s0s apple |
| 01:22.29 | sussudio | Steve Jobs pr0n |
| 01:22.44 | Patlabor221 | no it was normal porn |
| 01:22.47 | doughecka | in FIVE colors!! |
| 01:23.04 | Patlabor221 | no of the sound only variaty |
| 01:23.11 | doughecka | heh |
| 01:24.57 | Patlabor221 | for a sec there I thought he said "revive" |
| 01:25.08 | Patlabor221 | and that would be nasty |
| 01:25.38 | michaelh2 | hmmmmmm |
| 01:26.05 | doughecka | haha |
| 01:27.04 | michaelh2 | so when does tim step out from behind the curtain and reveal what G2 will have in it? |
| 01:27.13 | doughecka | CVS |
| 01:27.15 | Patlabor221 | 2015 |
| 01:27.25 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: but it would be a neat trick! |
| 01:27.30 | michaelh2 | Or we could just all commit everything we like :) |
| 01:27.37 | Patlabor221 | he's suposed to review the patches and commit the ones he thinks should go in |
| 01:27.52 | Patlabor221 | ohh I say go for it, let him pull it out if he dosn't like it :) |
| 01:27.58 | michaelh2 | heh |
| 01:28.11 | michaelh2 | is that a difficult thing to do? |
| 01:28.17 | Patlabor221 | as long as it makes sense and that everyone would like it |
| 01:28.18 | michaelh2 | or can you do "undo" |
| 01:28.20 | Patlabor221 | I have no clue |
| 01:28.32 | Patlabor221 | you should be able to roll back a change |
| 01:28.49 | doughecka | well... maybe tim just wont notice ;) |
| 01:29.23 | doughecka | or we can convince him that CVS is as stable as its gonna get, WITH all the patches : |
| 01:29.30 | michaelh2 | we could turn the bz client into the one big huge file concept too :) |
| 01:29.32 | captain_proton | i wonder if he'd notice if we cut the release |
| 01:30.07 | captain_proton | doughecka: you have no influence here |
| 01:30.16 | doughecka | yea, but I said it anyway |
| 01:31.47 | michaelh2 | the new programming paradigm -- the One Big Huge File structure.. |
| 01:32.09 | michaelh2 | "OBHF" |
| 01:32.34 | michaelh2 | I saw that 1.8 was trying to evolve from that..... |
| 01:32.40 | Patlabor221 | I think that needs another F |
| 01:33.01 | captain_proton | indeed |
| 01:33.11 | michaelh2 | it's like some slime ball trying to grow legs... |
| 01:33.41 | michaelh2 | metaphorically speaking |
| 01:35.28 | michaelh2 | it compiles -- what else could someone want |
| 01:37.13 | Patlabor221 | ohhh lets just say Releases, and maybe some idea where someone wants it to go. |
| 01:38.27 | captain_proton | tasty extruded meat |
| 01:38.30 | michaelh2 | I thought the idea was to throw your favorite pet feature at the CVS wall and if it sticks we commit it |
| 01:38.44 | Patlabor221 | sure |
| 01:38.55 | Patlabor221 | but if it never gets released even that fails |
| 01:39.56 | michaelh2 | hmmm |
| 01:40.21 | michaelh2 | you'd need to setup a server to keep track of his IP :) |
| 01:40.30 | Patlabor221 | yup |
| 01:41.05 | Patlabor221 | I would think he woudl allways get an IP in the same local range |
| 01:41.13 | Patlabor221 | like on the same subnet |
| 01:41.29 | Patlabor221 | from his local isp office. |
| 01:41.33 | captain_proton | dip-t has a number of subnets |
| 01:41.41 | captain_proton | not all in the same netblock |
| 01:41.43 | Jormungandr | I've had cell show up under some really off the wall subnet. |
| 01:41.51 | Patlabor221 | yes but would they not be grouped geographicly? |
| 01:41.52 | Jormungandr | not related to dip-t |
| 01:42.00 | Jormungandr | prolly a proxy |
| 01:42.07 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: nope |
| 01:42.11 | Patlabor221 | ahhh |
| 01:42.13 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: they've just got a big pool |
| 01:42.23 | captain_proton | thats why he was such a nuiscence on bz |
| 01:42.23 | Patlabor221 | well cap when he gets over here, we can convince him, right? |
| 01:42.27 | Jormungandr | hrm. there is proxy detecting code in many IRC monitor bots. we could implement proxy testing. |
| 01:42.30 | captain_proton | of course |
| 01:42.37 | Jormungandr | that might be how spoogebob is getting in. |
| 01:42.57 | Patlabor221 | there are open proxys that do UDP? |
| 01:43.41 | Jormungandr | I think so. |
| 01:44.21 | Patlabor221 | tho there may be some people who use a proxy from there ISp or something |
| 01:44.47 | Jormungandr | I can't see an honest use of an open proxy for bzflag. |
| 01:44.53 | Jormungandr | now, a closed proxy is different. |
| 01:45.31 | Patlabor221 | well I would not know how to identify those |
| 01:45.51 | Jormungandr | the open proxy allows anyone to connect and specify connections out. |
| 01:46.04 | Jormungandr | a closed one will deny without the proper userid/pass |
| 01:46.25 | Patlabor221 | then it may be time to draw out the server archetecture I have in mind so cap can see my vission, and comment on languate choices for each componenet. |
| 01:46.50 | Patlabor221 | I gathered that but I don't even know how to connect to a proxy :) |
| 01:47.18 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 01:47.34 | Patlabor221 | bbiswoasw |
| 01:50.07 | michaelh2 | whawhahwahwha? |
| 01:51.02 | michaelh2 | ? |
| 02:03.33 | Jormungandr | well, I have dragon.org back up with basement map |
| 02:05.29 | doughecka | yay |
| 02:07.12 | Jormungandr | 2 shot servers can be fun |
| 02:07.26 | Jormungandr | I'll still rotate some 2 shot CTF map in now and again. |
| 02:08.04 | doughecka | heh |
| 02:08.05 | captain_proton | my god |
| 02:08.18 | Jormungandr | capt? |
| 02:08.19 | captain_proton | i need to hold an intervention for this friend of mine who's getting far too deep into wardriving |
| 02:08.24 | Jormungandr | hrm |
| 02:08.43 | captain_proton | he's about to mount a 42" 30dB dish in his truck |
| 02:08.45 | Jormungandr | what classifies as "too deep"? |
| 02:08.53 | Jormungandr | hrm. that's a bit deep, I'd say. |
| 02:09.04 | doughecka | lol |
| 02:09.15 | doughecka | 42 inch? |
| 02:09.17 | doughecka | sheesh |
| 02:09.23 | sussudio | he's mounting a truck to his dish? :-P |
| 02:09.36 | captain_proton | said he also picked up a 32" & 2 23"ers |
| 02:09.43 | captain_proton | which he'll probably end up using as well |
| 02:10.03 | doughecka | sheesh |
| 02:10.08 | Jormungandr | you should make one of those magnetic signs for his truck "I'm stealing your internet bandwidth, as if you couldn't tell by this 42" dish on my truck". |
| 02:10.53 | Jormungandr | or "I'm reading your email and I don't even work for your company" |
| 02:11.35 | doughecka | jaja |
| 02:11.36 | doughecka | haha |
| 02:13.49 | Patlabor221 | what is wardriving? |
| 02:14.10 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: driving around ensearching open wireless networks |
| 02:14.23 | Patlabor221 | ahhh |
| 02:14.32 | captain_proton | i suggested to him that the dish needs to read "its not the size that counts, its how you use it" |
| 02:15.38 | Patlabor221 | mmmmmmm pig meat |
| 02:16.11 | Patlabor221 | you have a club? |
| 02:16.25 | Patlabor221 | do you sit around in a treehouse saying "kewl" and not let the girls in? |
| 02:16.53 | doughecka | with monomolecular fibers, to allow it to cut through most stuff |
| 02:16.54 | doughecka | :) |
| 02:17.04 | Patlabor221 | ahhh |
| 02:17.15 | Patlabor221 | so it is the treehouse munchkin club then |
| 02:17.19 | doughecka | gotta keep up with technoligy |
| 02:17.34 | doughecka | little short gorrillas |
| 02:17.48 | *** join/#bzflag sussudio1 (Suss@81.68.134.159) |
| 02:19.21 | doughecka | heh |
| 02:21.11 | doughecka | not TheCheat! |
| 02:21.18 | Patlabor221 | bahh it's taken |
| 02:21.28 | Patlabor221 | ohh probably |
| 02:21.31 | doughecka | lol |
| 02:25.34 | Patlabor221 | time to test the ol smtp server |
| 02:26.43 | Patlabor221 | doug what is your mail? |
| 02:26.57 | Patlabor221 | tad@heckaman.com? |
| 02:26.59 | doughecka | tad@heckaman.com |
| 02:27.00 | doughecka | yea |
| 02:27.07 | doughecka | or doughecka@noodleroni.com |
| 02:27.13 | doughecka | :) |
| 02:27.51 | doughecka | ouch, I hate cramps :) |
| 02:27.52 | Patlabor221 | whoot it went |
| 02:28.00 | Patlabor221 | try mydol :) |
| 02:28.09 | doughecka | lol |
| 02:28.16 | Patlabor221 | it was wierd the SMTP problem was NONE of the things I thought it was. |
| 02:28.16 | sussudio | try not eating live chickens |
| 02:28.18 | doughecka | ooh, 67 messages recieved |
| 02:28.53 | doughecka | I replyed |
| 02:29.08 | Patlabor221 | all I needed to know was if you got it :) |
| 02:29.12 | Patlabor221 | I'll take that as a yed |
| 02:29.14 | doughecka | heh, I got it |
| 02:29.16 | Patlabor221 | a yes even |
| 02:29.26 | doughecka | wow, it pretty fast |
| 02:29.54 | Patlabor221 | it's my own local one |
| 02:29.58 | doughecka | cool |
| 02:30.14 | Patlabor221 | it was the one BZBB was using before it went teats-up |
| 02:30.28 | doughecka | ah. |
| 02:30.35 | Patlabor221 | but it's all betta now |
| 02:30.53 | doughecka | ah |
| 02:31.09 | Patlabor221 | the wire broke |
| 02:31.22 | doughecka | what wire? |
| 02:31.25 | Patlabor221 | the wire |
| 02:31.29 | doughecka | ah |
| 02:31.32 | doughecka | The Wire. |
| 02:31.46 | Patlabor221 | never underestimate the power of a bunch of hairless apes |
| 02:32.03 | doughecka | hairless? |
| 02:32.10 | Patlabor221 | there is a reason humans study war no more, they are very very good at it. |
| 02:32.19 | doughecka | hah |
| 02:32.32 | doughecka | now we just make bigger stuff |
| 02:32.50 | doughecka | or try to make smaller stuff that make bigger booms |
| 02:32.53 | Patlabor221 | how many did you read? |
| 02:33.10 | doughecka | 1 and 2, I got bored on 3 |
| 02:33.16 | doughecka | like, the first chapter |
| 02:33.19 | Patlabor221 | they do kinda drag on later |
| 02:33.27 | doughecka | heh |
| 02:33.44 | Patlabor221 | but you never know what you get, cus they are just collections of short stories |
| 02:33.50 | doughecka | yea |
| 02:34.00 | Patlabor221 | so the first one may suck but there coudl be a REALY good one in the middle |
| 02:34.06 | doughecka | true |
| 02:35.25 | captain_proton | that kid needs help |
| 02:36.08 | Patlabor221 | isn't that a banable offense? |
| 02:36.27 | captain_proton | needing help? |
| 02:36.37 | Patlabor221 | any of it :) |
| 02:36.44 | captain_proton | hehe |
| 02:36.45 | Patlabor221 | take your pick |
| 02:36.48 | captain_proton | sure, why not |
| 02:37.36 | Patlabor221 | wow you get the wierdest music when you type in words in kazza, select all, and download |
| 02:38.08 | Patlabor221 | tho the bill clintion "smack my bitch up" is rather funny |
| 02:40.44 | Patlabor221 | wow not bad upstream for a DSL |
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| 03:16.52 | fiberchunks | allo |
| 03:22.22 | sussudio | allo nighthawk |
| 03:22.45 | sussudio | the painting of the madonna with the big boobies is hidden in the salami |
| 03:26.28 | fiberchunks | nighthawk? hrm |
| 03:26.46 | fiberchunks | fiddling about with flightgear -- pretty frickin cool flight simulator |
| 03:33.02 | sussudio | mkay |
| 03:41.26 | Patlabor221 | sup fiber |
| 03:41.42 | fiberchunks | nada, just checking out this flightgear thang -- pretty cool |
| 03:41.49 | Patlabor221 | ahhh |
| 03:41.54 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: when cell messages you, can you just let him type away (don't respond) and then send me the log? :) |
| 03:42.03 | Patlabor221 | ohh sure |
| 03:42.08 | Patlabor221 | k |
| 03:42.08 | *** join/#bzflag heinola (~heinola@63.98.3.144) |
| 03:42.12 | heinola | hello |
| 03:42.14 | heinola | all |
| 03:42.27 | fiberchunks | what on earth is plib for? |
| 03:42.41 | *** part/#bzflag heinola (~heinola@63.98.3.144) |
| 03:42.43 | Patlabor221 | something that starts with P |
| 03:42.54 | jraitala | ~ducati6 |
| 03:43.07 | Patlabor221 | STEVE'S PORTABLE GAME LIBRARY |
| 03:43.13 | Patlabor221 | it would appear |
| 03:43.18 | fiberchunks | ah, nmind -- joystick, audio, graphics |
| 03:43.22 | fiberchunks | yah |
| 03:43.39 | Patlabor221 | it's Like SDL |
| 03:43.49 | Patlabor221 | just suckyer and on less platforms it seems |
| 03:43.57 | fiberchunks | yah -- reading that now |
| 03:44.11 | Patlabor221 | so your geting a Ti 4600? |
| 03:44.16 | fiberchunks | yes |
| 03:44.22 | Patlabor221 | 190 is a tad high |
| 03:44.27 | Patlabor221 | but just a tad |
| 03:44.37 | fiberchunks | really -- what could a person such as yourself get it for? |
| 03:44.41 | Patlabor221 | it's way faster then the FX5200 tho |
| 03:44.49 | Patlabor221 | problaby 160 |
| 03:44.59 | fiberchunks | shite -- I should cancel my order |
| 03:45.06 | Patlabor221 | but I don't know for sure |
| 03:45.10 | Patlabor221 | won't know till tomorow |
| 03:45.18 | Patlabor221 | I know I can get slower cards cheaper |
| 03:45.20 | fiberchunks | can you message or mail me tomorrow? |
| 03:45.29 | Patlabor221 | like the 128 meg FX5200 for like 80 |
| 03:45.33 | Patlabor221 | sure |
| 03:45.36 | fiberchunks | cool |
| 03:45.54 | fiberchunks | yah, I saw that, but then a number of folks in the #nvidia channel dissuaded me |
| 03:46.08 | Patlabor221 | the 5200 is like there new MX card |
| 03:46.16 | Patlabor221 | it's cheap but not as fast as all the top end ones |
| 03:46.21 | fiberchunks | as |
| 03:46.21 | Patlabor221 | it's not as fast as a 4 |
| 03:46.26 | fiberchunks | ah |
| 03:46.41 | Patlabor221 | and it dosn't compare to like the FX5600 or the 5800 |
| 03:46.51 | Patlabor221 | but then it's a sub $100 card |
| 03:46.59 | fiberchunks | well, I compared specs, and the 5800 mx seems to kick everything's ass (with the exception of the quadras?) |
| 03:47.09 | fiberchunks | s/mx/fx |
| 03:47.17 | Patlabor221 | you mean quadros |
| 03:47.27 | fiberchunks | heh, fallback to mac days of old :) |
| 03:47.39 | Patlabor221 | for games you don't see much dif for the quadros |
| 03:47.43 | Patlabor221 | just more blend modes |
| 03:47.50 | Patlabor221 | and better at drawing lines |
| 03:47.54 | Patlabor221 | they are enterprise cards |
| 03:48.08 | Patlabor221 | the 5800 is like a 350$ card tho |
| 03:48.10 | fiberchunks | jimw needs to release his lock on cvs, so's I can check out the damned files :\ |
| 03:48.16 | fiberchunks | yeah, I noticed that too |
| 03:48.19 | Patlabor221 | the 5200 is like a MX with shaders so its not horible |
| 03:48.59 | fiberchunks | well, a buddy of mine is going to buy the ti500 for $50, so, I figgured I'd get a new 4600 |
| 03:49.23 | Patlabor221 | ti500? |
| 03:49.27 | fiberchunks | yah |
| 03:49.45 | fiberchunks | old visiontek board -- works a treat, and he's a crappy vid card |
| 03:49.47 | Patlabor221 | GF3? |
| 03:49.51 | fiberchunks | yes |
| 03:49.54 | Patlabor221 | ahh |
| 03:50.03 | Patlabor221 | I think I have one of those somewhere |
| 03:50.11 | Patlabor221 | have a TI4600 at work |
| 03:50.16 | fiberchunks | good little boards -- served me well bz'ing |
| 03:50.17 | Patlabor221 | and a GF4MX in the same macnine |
| 03:50.28 | fiberchunks | how's bz on the 4600? |
| 03:50.29 | Patlabor221 | ohh for BZ any GF is overkill :) |
| 03:51.01 | *** join/#bzflag heinola (~heinola@63.98.3.144) |
| 03:51.13 | heinola | hello all again lol |
| 03:51.17 | fiberchunks | lo |
| 03:51.27 | heinola | i got a general "Q" |
| 03:52.20 | Patlabor221 | hello |
| 03:52.26 | heinola | hello |
| 03:52.31 | fiberchunks | yes? |
| 03:52.56 | heinola | any runninf gf4 mx440 in linux in here ? |
| 03:53.05 | heinola | hows they running ? |
| 03:53.07 | Patlabor221 | a MX no |
| 03:53.09 | fiberchunks | that the mobile card? |
| 03:53.10 | Patlabor221 | but it shoudl run fine |
| 03:53.23 | Patlabor221 | no it's just the last MX |
| 03:53.30 | fiberchunks | I have a gf4 in my laptop -- runs fine |
| 03:53.38 | fiberchunks | oh |
| 03:53.48 | Patlabor221 | it's similar to the moible |
| 03:53.49 | heinola | my mx200 fun ok but i want more FPS :) |
| 03:53.52 | Patlabor221 | just yours takes less power |
| 03:53.52 | fiberchunks | I can never remember the name of the thing |
| 03:53.56 | fiberchunks | ah |
| 03:54.03 | rbergero | 4go440 |
| 03:54.05 | Patlabor221 | how many fps you geting now? |
| 03:54.08 | rbergero | or something like that |
| 03:54.09 | heinola | 21 |
| 03:54.15 | Patlabor221 | at what res? |
| 03:54.20 | sussudio | heinola: planning on running any Blind Ambition maps then? |
| 03:54.28 | heinola | lol |
| 03:54.36 | sussudio | how's that funny? |
| 03:54.48 | fiberchunks | they are usually frame rate killers -- but nice maps |
| 03:54.51 | Patlabor221 | fiber I can't beat that for a 4600 |
| 03:54.58 | fiberchunks | can't beat 190? |
| 03:55.01 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 03:55.10 | heinola | i got on one server it was like life after a big party |
| 03:55.15 | Patlabor221 | the FXs are flooding the market, it's acutlay hard to find a 4600 |
| 03:55.15 | sussudio | well yes, that's because he uses a program to generate them and they have insane positions like X 123.4890343434 |
| 03:55.16 | fiberchunks | mkay -- then I'll stick with my order -- thanks for checking though :) |
| 03:55.21 | Patlabor221 | everyone is just selling there stock |
| 03:55.44 | fiberchunks | hey, any word on G2? |
| 03:55.54 | fiberchunks | I haven't checked the site news lately |
| 03:56.00 | sussudio | g2? |
| 03:56.05 | fiberchunks | 1.7g2 |
| 03:56.06 | sussudio | topic? |
| 03:56.15 | Patlabor221 | noone knows what lurks in the heart of tim these days |
| 03:56.40 | fiberchunks | heh, I should read those once in a while, I 'spose :\ |
| 03:56.43 | Patlabor221 | fiber where did you get your card from? |
| 03:56.49 | fiberchunks | ebay |
| 03:56.51 | heinola | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:57.03 | fiberchunks | and then, off auction, email |
| 03:58.08 | heinola | i hope soon |
| 03:59.02 | fiberchunks | I guess I started 'politic' conversations on the board -- I suppose I shouldn't have, but oh well |
| 03:59.21 | heinola | bed time work work work |
| 03:59.29 | heinola | :( |
| 04:00.02 | fiberchunks | nor will I |
| 04:00.04 | Patlabor221 | oooooooooooo FX 59000 |
| 04:00.17 | Patlabor221 | bet that costs a prety 0.01$ |
| 04:01.03 | fiberchunks | dunno -- the specs were nice though -- which reminds me, Q: what is most important in determining the 'real' performance of a video card? |
| 04:01.10 | Patlabor221 | for what? |
| 04:01.14 | Patlabor221 | for BZ? |
| 04:01.46 | Patlabor221 | or for real modern games? |
| 04:01.51 | fiberchunks | no, like if I'm looking at a spec sheet, and I see all these numbers, are there any I should weigh more than the others (like clock speed quotations for cpus, if you get my drift) |
| 04:02.02 | fiberchunks | in general, I suppose |
| 04:02.10 | Patlabor221 | well in general fill rate |
| 04:02.26 | Patlabor221 | tho with modern games the triangle transform rate is important too |
| 04:02.29 | Patlabor221 | since the card does it now |
| 04:02.37 | Patlabor221 | and then the presence of shaders |
| 04:03.02 | Patlabor221 | for BZ it's realy CPU and fillrate |
| 04:03.11 | fiberchunks | what is the difference, then between the 4800 and 4600? I see none on the nvidia site |
| 04:03.12 | Patlabor221 | since BZ is NOT taxing any of those cards |
| 04:03.29 | fiberchunks | ah |
| 04:03.42 | Patlabor221 | DDR2 ram I think |
| 04:03.46 | fiberchunks | oh |
| 04:04.41 | Patlabor221 | doubles the pixels per clock cycle from 4 to 8 |
| 04:04.47 | fiberchunks | see, I don't see any triangle transform specs |
| 04:05.21 | fiberchunks | bus speed too, it seems (8x v 4x) |
| 04:05.37 | Patlabor221 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:05.37 | Patlabor221 | GeForce FX Graphics Core: |
| 04:05.37 | Patlabor221 | 5600 Ultra Memory Bandwidth: |
| 04:05.37 | Patlabor221 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:05.37 | Patlabor221 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:05.37 | Patlabor221 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:05.39 | Patlabor221 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:05.41 | Patlabor221 | 256-bit |
| 04:05.43 | Patlabor221 | 11.2GB/sec. |
| 04:05.45 | Patlabor221 | 1.4 billion texels/sec. |
| 04:05.47 | Patlabor221 | 88 million |
| 04:05.49 | Patlabor221 | 256MB |
| 04:05.51 | Patlabor221 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:05.53 | Patlabor221 | verts per sec is the geo transform rate |
| 04:05.55 | Patlabor221 | wow that pasted bad |
| 04:05.58 | fiberchunks | oh |
| 04:05.59 | Patlabor221 | 88 million verts per sec |
| 04:06.01 | fiberchunks | I get it |
| 04:06.12 | Patlabor221 | fillrate is allways in texls |
| 04:06.40 | Patlabor221 | the 5600 is the same chip as the 5800 just swaps out the ddr2 for double the max mem |
| 04:07.06 | Patlabor221 | so it's a good board for like using lightwave and max and stuff |
| 04:07.18 | Patlabor221 | and playing games |
| 04:07.36 | captain_proton | hmm, interesting |
| 04:07.39 | fiberchunks | memory is more crucial than transfer rate for those apps? |
| 04:07.43 | captain_proton | apparently mplayer can play a .bin/.cue directly |
| 04:07.53 | Patlabor221 | they load all the geo and stuff to the card |
| 04:08.00 | fiberchunks | oh, ic |
| 04:08.05 | Patlabor221 | so the more the card can handle the less they have to load from the system |
| 04:08.28 | Patlabor221 | working previews and stuff like that |
| 04:08.45 | fiberchunks | I like that the 4600 can handle dual mon. out of the box -- that's something I will have to fiddle with |
| 04:08.47 | Patlabor221 | for stuff like that and like solidworks, the big thing is the geo transform rate |
| 04:08.48 | captain_proton | bottleneck is always between system & graphics card |
| 04:08.53 | captain_proton | unless you're microsoft or SGI |
| 04:09.02 | Patlabor221 | since it's going to be a tri heavy tesilation |
| 04:09.13 | Patlabor221 | yeah or on an X-box |
| 04:09.19 | Patlabor221 | then there is no dif :) |
| 04:09.26 | captain_proton | xbox = microsoft |
| 04:09.33 | Patlabor221 | ahhh |
| 04:09.40 | fiberchunks | so 136 million verts/sec should be fine for what I do -- cool |
| 04:09.40 | Patlabor221 | didn't see where you were going there |
| 04:09.52 | Patlabor221 | well how many verts you got? :) |
| 04:10.01 | captain_proton | and sgi are just pimps |
| 04:10.07 | Patlabor221 | yes they are |
| 04:10.10 | fiberchunks | heh |
| 04:10.55 | fiberchunks | read derv's last post on the 'god issue' -- he extends his hand to all of us in the darkness |
| 04:10.59 | fiberchunks | :? |
| 04:11.27 | Patlabor221 | techincaly I'm a heathen in most western religions eyes |
| 04:11.32 | sussudio | he thinks he's god again? |
| 04:11.34 | Patlabor221 | we should make a heathens post |
| 04:11.44 | fiberchunks | I can't tell whether that's a 'holier than thou' attitude, or something else |
| 04:11.44 | captain_proton | <-- heathen |
| 04:11.48 | fiberchunks | I may start one :) |
| 04:12.02 | Patlabor221 | we need a good old fassioned goat sacrifice |
| 04:12.10 | sussudio | doug has goats |
| 04:12.13 | fiberchunks | lol -- dragnet -- the pagans |
| 04:12.23 | Patlabor221 | the virgin connie swail |
| 04:12.28 | fiberchunks | LOL |
| 04:13.26 | Patlabor221 | should I post "I am god here" then lock the thread? :) |
| 04:14.12 | fiberchunks | ahahahahahah, sure, that might piss people off though (if they take themselves too seriously that is) :) |
| 04:14.56 | Patlabor221 | that they do |
| 04:15.23 | Patlabor221 | I wish people would understand that I do know what I am talking about with regards to BZ and windows. |
| 04:15.42 | fiberchunks | no you don't, you just act well ;) (j/k) |
| 04:16.02 | Patlabor221 | BZFlag does use directX |
| 04:16.12 | Patlabor221 | for like 2 things |
| 04:16.19 | captain_proton | omg |
| 04:16.20 | fiberchunks | didn't know that |
| 04:16.25 | rbergero | sound and input? |
| 04:16.27 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 04:16.28 | captain_proton | did derv just say that spiff is 17 years old? |
| 04:16.30 | captain_proton | hahahahaha |
| 04:16.41 | Patlabor221 | display res change, and sound I think |
| 04:16.46 | Patlabor221 | spiff is 17 |
| 04:16.56 | captain_proton | wow really |
| 04:16.57 | captain_proton | ? |
| 04:16.59 | fiberchunks | yup |
| 04:17.00 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 04:17.00 | captain_proton | i thought he was about 12 |
| 04:17.02 | Patlabor221 | you didn't know |
| 04:17.06 | Patlabor221 | no that's creeper |
| 04:17.11 | fiberchunks | lol |
| 04:17.15 | *** join/#bzflag MrApathyCream (dbrosius@209.163.100.171) |
| 04:17.37 | captain_proton | ooh yeah, i'm good |
| 04:17.57 | captain_proton | scons now installs :) |
| 04:18.02 | captain_proton | gotta do prefix though |
| 04:18.24 | fiberchunks | scons another cvs-type thing? |
| 04:18.31 | Patlabor221 | no a build system |
| 04:18.35 | Patlabor221 | it kicks much ass |
| 04:18.41 | fiberchunks | ah, replacement for automake et al? |
| 04:18.45 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 04:18.52 | Patlabor221 | cus automake blows it seems |
| 04:18.54 | fiberchunks | good! |
| 04:19.00 | Patlabor221 | scons sucks much less |
| 04:19.31 | fiberchunks | I am getting very tired of fiddling with proper versions of things (prob my fault, my distros fault, doesn't really matter -- it's irritating) |
| 04:19.39 | MrApathyCream | ant |
| 04:19.43 | Patlabor221 | scons rocks |
| 04:19.48 | Patlabor221 | aphid |
| 04:20.03 | fiberchunks | crustacean |
| 04:20.13 | fiberchunks | ? |
| 04:20.27 | Patlabor221 | bull wevil! |
| 04:20.37 | fiberchunks | bole weevil |
| 04:20.39 | fiberchunks | :) |
| 04:21.11 | Patlabor221 | chicken!!! |
| 04:21.18 | fiberchunks | fish-missile! |
| 04:21.58 | fiberchunks | tranny in my truck died this weekend -- I do _not_ look forward to the bill :( |
| 04:22.28 | fiberchunks | although (hopefully), it's just the torque converter /me hopes |
| 04:25.39 | fiberchunks | hey Patlabor221, you got some sort of sig changing thing going on there? I keep seeing things (different from my usual hallucinations, of course) |
| 04:25.47 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 04:25.55 | Patlabor221 | I just change it every so often :) |
| 04:26.12 | fiberchunks | ah -- good -- thought I would need medication ;) |
| 04:26.16 | Patlabor221 | heh |
| 04:26.25 | Patlabor221 | would be nice if you could do a random sig from a list |
| 04:26.53 | fiberchunks | yes, I would dearly like to get a file attachment thing going on there -- that was one of my first desires that I never finished :\ |
| 04:27.21 | Patlabor221 | I don't see the map comunity taking off, so I don't know what they would atach |
| 04:27.57 | fiberchunks | ah, we could make an 'files' forum, for any old thing (bz related and not) |
| 04:28.16 | fiberchunks | naughty jpegs, for those of us that don't mind a little 'flesh' every now and again ;) |
| 04:28.38 | fiberchunks | 'bzgirls' |
| 04:28.47 | fiberchunks | not her ;) |
| 04:29.06 | Patlabor221 | I hear she's hot |
| 04:29.28 | fiberchunks | don't know, but I remember her getting highly offended when you put that pic in the test forum |
| 04:29.37 | Patlabor221 | that she did |
| 04:29.37 | *** join/#bzflag JBDiGriz (~JBDiGriz@adsl-63-204-119-36.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net) |
| 04:29.43 | Patlabor221 | but she was jocular about it |
| 04:30.15 | fiberchunks | yes, she was -- not a big deal, but I can only imagine her seeing full nudity of a real live person |
| 04:30.25 | Patlabor221 | there would be curses thown |
| 04:30.36 | fiberchunks | we could put up peter north, to appease the ladies ;) |
| 04:31.33 | JBDiGriz | Is this a new hack, or a special flag you're planning on adding? |
| 04:31.44 | Patlabor221 | I have a feeling that most of the consituents on BZBB are under 18 |
| 04:31.52 | Patlabor221 | or just realy stupid |
| 04:31.54 | fiberchunks | lol -- there's an idea :) |
| 04:32.03 | Patlabor221 | the nookie flag |
| 04:32.07 | fiberchunks | heh |
| 04:32.11 | fiberchunks | tank-humpin |
| 04:32.20 | JBDiGriz | Most players wouldn't know what to do with it! |
| 04:32.37 | Patlabor221 | but then after you use it, you move slow and can't shoot for like 5 min |
| 04:32.38 | fiberchunks | give a whole new meaning to 'guided missile' lol |
| 04:32.46 | fiberchunks | and your tank smokes |
| 04:33.00 | JBDiGriz | You could add it to the observer mode, following the tank would be far more amusing! |
| 04:33.15 | MrApathyCream | and then for the married crowd: the bad flag--> the honeydoo list flag |
| 04:33.15 | sussudio | smokin's bad mkay |
| 04:33.27 | fiberchunks | LOL mac |
| 04:33.31 | sussudio | i say make little tanks :-| |
| 04:33.37 | MrApathyCream | heh its sussudio |
| 04:33.44 | JBDiGriz | That's more like the honey I have a headache flag! |
| 04:34.14 | sussudio | the little tanks would whine at you for hours...... "I WANT A BIKE".... "I CAN STAY OUT AFTER NINE" "I WISH I WAS NEVER BORN" and ofcourse "SLICK!" |
| 04:34.20 | fiberchunks | lol |
| 04:34.43 | JBDiGriz | Actually, my little ones are learning how to start the server and play against each other. |
| 04:34.53 | MrApathyCream | and they would drive around you in small circles till you wanted to scream |
| 04:35.16 | JBDiGriz | That's easy MAC, just shoot them as they go around in small circles |
| 04:35.32 | fiberchunks | poop on your radar |
| 04:35.33 | sussudio | give a new meaning to the word "spawnkill" |
| 04:35.50 | MrApathyCream | :) |
| 04:36.04 | sussudio | wait. i think i've seen this baby tank before..... it was called "spaceman spiff" or something |
| 04:36.13 | fiberchunks | rude |
| 04:36.16 | fiberchunks | :) |
| 04:36.20 | JBDiGriz | Now, now, let's not start that again! |
| 04:36.45 | sussudio | he did |
| 04:37.06 | fiberchunks | oh no, another round of foolishness? |
| 04:37.25 | sussudio | he called me a "password hacker" for some unknown reason and started cursing at me in privmsg |
| 04:37.56 | JBDiGriz | Another round of foolishness, shall I take a ten minute break for the rant to end? |
| 04:38.09 | fiberchunks | oh yeah, speaking of passwords -- you registered my callsign here -- what is my password? and how do I change it? /msg me |
| 04:38.30 | sussudio | i told you like 3 months ago |
| 04:38.40 | JBDiGriz | Do most people register their callsigns here? I haven't bothered so far. |
| 04:38.45 | fiberchunks | yeah, that's why I'm asking - I forgot to do it that night :\ |
| 04:39.15 | fiberchunks | and I haven't seen you around (rather, I haven't been here in a while) |
| 04:39.28 | sussudio | dunno i have it written down somewhere |
| 04:39.47 | fiberchunks | well, lemme know when you get it via the board please - if you wouldn't mind |
| 04:39.50 | Patlabor221 | if you haven't identified in 3 months it is suposed to expire |
| 04:39.54 | fiberchunks | take your time, no rush |
| 04:39.59 | sussudio | i dont use the board |
| 04:40.17 | fiberchunks | hrm -- well, whatever, I spose it don't matter much |
| 04:40.33 | sussudio | i would like to minimize the chance of seeing dervish's mug |
| 04:40.39 | Patlabor221 | he changed it |
| 04:40.42 | fiberchunks | it's not there anymore |
| 04:40.46 | Patlabor221 | thank the dark lord |
| 04:40.48 | fiberchunks | he is now 'anime god' |
| 04:40.51 | sussudio | good. |
| 04:40.57 | Patlabor221 | untill I layed the smack down on him |
| 04:41.03 | Patlabor221 | imagine him saying where MY name came from |
| 04:41.09 | fiberchunks | hehe, I knew that'd provoke you ;) |
| 04:41.20 | Patlabor221 | what an assclown he is |
| 04:41.32 | Patlabor221 | I think he's finaly learning tho |
| 04:41.40 | fiberchunks | I would wager a moderate sum of money that he has no idea where mine came from ;) |
| 04:41.49 | Patlabor221 | wasn't one of his recenet posts where he said I would come in and correct hium |
| 04:41.50 | fiberchunks | (as long as he didn't surf the web) |
| 04:41.53 | Patlabor221 | but I said he did fine. |
| 04:41.57 | fiberchunks | dunno |
| 04:42.15 | Patlabor221 | I want to say some sort of food substance in something Ive heard before. |
| 04:42.28 | fiberchunks | no, comedy routine - denis leary |
| 04:42.41 | fiberchunks | well, yes, you're correct then |
| 04:43.39 | JBDiGriz | Is there a list of people with admin privileges on various servers? |
| 04:44.25 | fiberchunks | no, but if you ask, I could name a few servers, i think |
| 04:44.54 | JBDiGriz | I was having some problems on rosemeyers and ducati |
| 04:44.54 | fiberchunks | you could look on the board in the 'server' forums -- most owners have posted at least a partial list |
| 04:45.05 | fiberchunks | ducati is chestals domain |
| 04:45.13 | fiberchunks | rosemeyers is: lemme check |
| 04:45.39 | sussudio | rosemeyers has admins? |
| 04:45.46 | Patlabor221 | heh you know what shows up first when I do a search for fiberchunks? |
| 04:45.57 | Patlabor221 | WEB PAGES - ABOUT |
| 04:45.57 | Patlabor221 | BZFlag Centrum :: Index |
| 04:45.57 | Patlabor221 | ... All things BZFlag - no [OT] here please. Moderator Fiberchunks. 101 Topics ... |
| 04:45.57 | Patlabor221 | bzbb.homelinux.org |
| 04:47.40 | fiberchunks | cool :) |
| 04:48.03 | fiberchunks | yeah, it does, but I seem to have misplaced the contact info :\ |
| 04:48.24 | fiberchunks | Patlabor221: look up, 'horkin fiberchunks' |
| 04:48.35 | JBDiGriz | I have the email address, but I couldn't find chestal or bzg earlier to keep an eye on things |
| 04:48.39 | sussudio | earched the web for bunnies. |
| 04:48.39 | sussudio | Results 1 - 10 of about 511,000. Search took 0.10 seconds. |
| 04:48.42 | sussudio | they're friggin everywhere |
| 04:48.43 | Patlabor221 | I see the refrence to cerial now |
| 04:49.12 | Patlabor221 | tho now I seem to have a need to hear the "Im an asshole" song |
| 04:49.38 | fiberchunks | it is, imho, one of the funniest songs I've ever heard |
| 04:49.42 | Patlabor221 | it is |
| 04:49.48 | sussudio | @mp3 (Dennis_Leary)_Asshole.mp3 (4,262,346 bytes 128kbps Joint Stereo 4mins 27secs Genre:Comedy ) -|- copy & paste 12sussudio (Dennis_Leary)_Asshole.mp3 to get this song |
| 04:50.03 | fiberchunks | there you have it ;) |
| 04:50.24 | Patlabor221 | ohh kazza has it allmost here thanks. |
| 04:50.36 | fiberchunks | that song applies to about 95% of the population of CT |
| 04:50.36 | Patlabor221 | ahd whomp there it is |
| 04:51.02 | sussudio | just be sure to do an audio only search for "asshole" :-| |
| 04:51.34 | Patlabor221 | yeah video would get you a lot more |
| 04:51.44 | sussudio | indeed. just ask doug. |
| 04:51.46 | fiberchunks | lol |
| 04:52.56 | Patlabor221 | now should I embed this in an iframe as a player object in a post? |
| 04:53.45 | fiberchunks | start a new forum, call it humor, lest someone mistake it for an attack on their person (god, I'm so pc, it's making me puke) |
| 04:53.49 | fiberchunks | yes, do it |
| 04:53.52 | fiberchunks | :) |
| 04:54.03 | Patlabor221 | 2 words "nukular Fuk#n weapons" |
| 04:54.12 | fiberchunks | heh |
| 04:54.27 | Patlabor221 | I forgot about the John Wayne part |
| 04:54.49 | fiberchunks | take both lungs, I don't fu*** need em! |
| 04:55.04 | fiberchunks | I'll grow gills, and breath like a fish! |
| 04:55.35 | Patlabor221 | "... and a case of whisky" |
| 04:56.15 | fiberchunks | I didn't know, until that song, that asshole could be a decent melody -- who'd a thunk it? |
| 04:56.32 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 04:56.45 | Patlabor221 | can you imageine the backup singers reading the sheet music for it |
| 04:56.57 | fiberchunks | hehehe |
| 04:57.03 | Patlabor221 | "so it's 'a' 'ss' 'h' 'oh' 'le' right?" |
| 04:57.10 | fiberchunks | lol |
| 04:57.30 | captain_proton | yay for nukular weapons |
| 04:57.42 | Patlabor221 | no nukular f'kin weapons |
| 04:57.46 | Patlabor221 | get it it right! |
| 04:57.59 | Patlabor221 | you have heard this correct cap? |
| 04:58.07 | captain_proton | no |
| 04:58.24 | Patlabor221 | ohh my |
| 04:58.28 | Patlabor221 | then there youg |
| 04:58.31 | Patlabor221 | you go even |
| 04:59.15 | Patlabor221 | You know what I'm gonna do? I'm gonna get myself a 1967 Cadillac El Dorado convertible, hot pink with whaleskin hub caps and all leather cow interior and big brown baby seal eyes for headlights, yeah! And I'm gonna drive around in that baby at 115mph getting one mile per gallon, sucking down quarter pounder cheese burgers from McDonald's in the old-fashioned non-biodegradable styrofoam containers and when I'm done sucking down |
| 05:00.34 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: is this first animatrix hand-drawn or computer generated? |
| 05:00.48 | Patlabor221 | what was the first one? |
| 05:00.56 | Patlabor221 | second reneseance? |
| 05:01.01 | captain_proton | osiris |
| 05:01.07 | Patlabor221 | all comp |
| 05:01.12 | Patlabor221 | if you can't tell |
| 05:01.22 | fiberchunks | I can't watch em on this machine -- no quicktime :\ |
| 05:01.25 | captain_proton | it looked like it |
| 05:01.38 | captain_proton | but i was thinking it might possibly be hand-done |
| 05:01.38 | Patlabor221 | it's a vcd |
| 05:01.43 | captain_proton | which would be just as impressive |
| 05:01.50 | fiberchunks | hrm? the downloads? |
| 05:01.55 | Patlabor221 | naw it's the people who did final fantasy |
| 05:02.16 | Patlabor221 | they have goten female butt rendering down to a flipin art form |
| 05:02.23 | captain_proton | hahaha |
| 05:02.30 | Patlabor221 | fiber it's on the server you kept timing out on, you can try it tho |
| 05:02.35 | captain_proton | yeah, the skin looked very final-fantasy like |
| 05:02.43 | Patlabor221 | It did have a bad cable so that may have been why |
| 05:02.56 | captain_proton | they need to take their subsurface-scattering techniques further |
| 05:02.58 | Patlabor221 | http://bakadigital.com/darkmoor-noshare/movie/Animatrix |
| 05:03.06 | fiberchunks | cool, thx |
| 05:03.13 | Patlabor221 | still they are doing a very good job |
| 05:03.19 | captain_proton | yes |
| 05:03.26 | Patlabor221 | they got the motion down even better since FF in my optionion. |
| 05:03.54 | fiberchunks | oof, this may take months :) |
| 05:04.02 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 05:04.08 | Patlabor221 | it's jsut a t1 sorry |
| 05:04.17 | fiberchunks | no problem whatsoever :) |
| 05:04.33 | Patlabor221 | gotta work with what ya got :) |
| 05:04.43 | Patlabor221 | cap is navi still down? |
| 05:04.47 | Patlabor221 | or not still |
| 05:04.50 | Patlabor221 | but down for the sumer? |
| 05:05.09 | captain_proton | its on cable for the summer |
| 05:05.15 | Patlabor221 | ahh |
| 05:05.28 | captain_proton | and probably beyond that |
| 05:05.30 | Patlabor221 | both of you need to watch the red vs blue stuff |
| 05:05.37 | captain_proton | unless we can find some sexy SDSL thing |
| 05:05.49 | Patlabor221 | no more dorm bandwith? |
| 05:05.57 | fiberchunks | I saw some books on the philosphy of the matrix, that I may pick up |
| 05:06.18 | Patlabor221 | cap has the mythological refrences all worked out |
| 05:06.24 | fiberchunks | the 'deeper meaning' that the wachowskis wanted to do with it |
| 05:06.26 | Patlabor221 | he's smart n's hit |
| 05:06.35 | *** join/#bzflag MrApathyCream (dbrosius@209.163.100.171) |
| 05:06.36 | fiberchunks | wha? |
| 05:06.53 | captain_proton | haha |
| 05:06.56 | captain_proton | well not all |
| 05:06.58 | fiberchunks | nebbermine |
| 05:07.09 | captain_proton | still haven't figgered out trinity or that kid |
| 05:07.09 | fiberchunks | chikorita speak |
| 05:07.18 | fiberchunks | which kid -- the spoon kid? |
| 05:07.39 | Patlabor221 | ohhh the kid, you will see the kid in the animatrix cap |
| 05:07.43 | Patlabor221 | I think he's just anoying |
| 05:07.50 | Patlabor221 | he's a tie in |
| 05:08.02 | Patlabor221 | just like Jada pinket smith |
| 05:08.04 | fiberchunks | oh, the kid attached to Neo? |
| 05:08.06 | Patlabor221 | she's a game tie in |
| 05:08.08 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 05:08.09 | captain_proton | fiberchunks: that one |
| 05:08.17 | Patlabor221 | his story is in the animatrix |
| 05:08.20 | Patlabor221 | that may help you cap. |
| 05:08.40 | Patlabor221 | I think it's realy cool how they tied the animatrix and the game to the movie |
| 05:08.49 | fiberchunks | there is also a LOT of backstory filled in in 'enter the matrix' (got it, beat it -- there's some cool clips in it) |
| 05:09.02 | Patlabor221 | that is what I hear |
| 05:09.17 | Patlabor221 | as soon as I get the FTP server working on the x-box I will be playing it |
| 05:09.26 | fiberchunks | there's mention of a kid (I think the 'spoon' one), that, imho, indicates he's a superior of Neo |
| 05:09.42 | fiberchunks | sorry if that's a spoiler :\ |
| 05:09.52 | Patlabor221 | well neo rescues him |
| 05:09.53 | captain_proton | superior? |
| 05:09.55 | Patlabor221 | sorta |
| 05:09.57 | captain_proton | successor? |
| 05:10.00 | Patlabor221 | he gets out on his own |
| 05:10.02 | captain_proton | predecessor? |
| 05:10.02 | captain_proton | what? |
| 05:10.02 | fiberchunks | that's the word |
| 05:10.11 | fiberchunks | sucessor, that's what I got from it |
| 05:10.17 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 05:10.22 | Patlabor221 | he dies in the matrix |
| 05:10.29 | fiberchunks | but, of course, I'm usually always wrong ;) |
| 05:10.33 | Patlabor221 | but dosn't in the "real world" |
| 05:10.38 | Patlabor221 | and neo and them find him |
| 05:10.49 | fiberchunks | he does? when and where (or is this in the animatrix?) |
| 05:10.57 | Patlabor221 | yeah it's in the animatrix |
| 05:11.01 | fiberchunks | ahhh |
| 05:11.14 | Patlabor221 | in the one called "kids story" :) |
| 05:11.21 | Patlabor221 | tho the house is my fave |
| 05:11.45 | Patlabor221 | they call it a "rendering artifcact" |
| 05:11.53 | fiberchunks | trinity and ghost, I gathered from the game, are brother and sister (although it could've been meant euphemistically) |
| 05:12.11 | Patlabor221 | who is ghost? |
| 05:12.14 | fiberchunks | ~dict euphemistically |
| 05:12.23 | Patlabor221 | the guy with jada? |
| 05:12.27 | fiberchunks | yeah |
| 05:12.29 | Patlabor221 | k |
| 05:12.32 | fiberchunks | the chinese looking fellow |
| 05:12.47 | Patlabor221 | odd that he would be related to her then |
| 05:12.50 | Patlabor221 | maybe she got him out |
| 05:13.09 | fiberchunks | the whole game is him and niobe -- no neo, no trinity, no morphaeus (cept for cameos) |
| 05:13.13 | Patlabor221 | that seems to form a bond in the human meat sacks |
| 05:13.18 | fiberchunks | heh |
| 05:14.23 | Patlabor221 | http://btc.bolloxcomics.co.uk/index.php?comic=265 |
| 05:14.40 | captain_proton | chinese looking fellow? |
| 05:14.48 | captain_proton | which is he from? |
| 05:14.54 | captain_proton | (jada?) |
| 05:14.54 | fiberchunks | the logos |
| 05:14.58 | Patlabor221 | the guy who was with niobe who NEVER said a thing |
| 05:15.00 | fiberchunks | part of that crew |
| 05:15.03 | fiberchunks | yeah, him |
| 05:15.04 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 05:15.10 | Patlabor221 | he was in the car with her |
| 05:16.28 | fiberchunks | saw a couple of 'collectors editions' of the first one that I may pick up -- extra footage and all that |
| 05:17.45 | fiberchunks | lol -- |
| 05:18.13 | Patlabor221 | wow now that is one big apple rant |
| 05:18.52 | captain_proton | at least there are more than one of these per CD |
| 05:18.58 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 05:19.02 | Patlabor221 | there are 11 total |
| 05:19.05 | Patlabor221 | on 2 disks |
| 05:19.10 | captain_proton | i'd be very cranky if it was 1 CD per 10 minute episode :) |
| 05:19.34 | fiberchunks | yeah, I just read that apple rant too |
| 05:19.48 | captain_proton | where is this apple rant? |
| 05:19.57 | fiberchunks | next link on the above page |
| 05:20.01 | Patlabor221 | http://btc.bolloxcomics.co.uk/ |
| 05:20.14 | fiberchunks | http://btc.bolloxcomics.co.uk/index.php?comic=266 |
| 05:20.36 | fiberchunks | urk - I need to read more |
| 05:20.53 | Patlabor221 | hehe "where is your unix kernel now??? and why is that your bigest selling point "buy apple products the best part of our systems we didn't make"" |
| 05:22.16 | fiberchunks | q: what do you think of the whole taxes topic? why is it that noone has responded with their usual vigor that they freely displayed with the drugs topic? I am puzzled |
| 05:23.05 | fiberchunks | hahaha :) |
| 05:23.16 | captain_proton | fiberchunks: i haven't responded because i'll just end up offending the libertarians by pointing out that almost all libertains complain simultaneously about taxes and potholes :) |
| 05:23.31 | fiberchunks | lol :) |
| 05:24.00 | fiberchunks | that's what excise taxes are for ;) |
| 05:24.10 | fiberchunks | nm, I won't get started ;) |
| 05:26.53 | fiberchunks | are there any libertarians that post on that board? I dunno -- seems everyone's conservative (for the most part - except, maybe for KR) |
| 05:27.38 | Patlabor221 | some of them are just stupid tho |
| 05:28.30 | Patlabor221 | tell me lt.dan isn't stupid |
| 05:28.40 | fiberchunks | who? |
| 05:29.00 | Patlabor221 | he goes by LT.D |
| 05:29.03 | fiberchunks | ah |
| 05:29.11 | Patlabor221 | the cehating bastard |
| 05:29.37 | Patlabor221 | but he said he was sorry so "it's all ok" |
| 05:29.46 | Patlabor221 | he didn't know he was cheating in those 5 matches |
| 05:29.53 | Patlabor221 | even tho he was going 6x normals speed |
| 05:30.02 | fiberchunks | not sure if it's useless though, captain. Seems like it needs batting around...have you ever _read_ the fargin' tax code and CFR? what a quagmire |
| 05:30.02 | Patlabor221 | I mean honest mistake right? |
| 05:30.14 | fiberchunks | ctf matches? |
| 05:30.20 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 05:30.25 | captain_proton | fiberchunks: but i think it NEEDS to be addressed by the government |
| 05:30.28 | Patlabor221 | leage matches |
| 05:30.28 | fiberchunks | didn't see any of that -- is there a post? |
| 05:30.33 | captain_proton | because its sure as hell not going to be addressed by a private organization |
| 05:30.45 | Patlabor221 | just the tail end of it when he started a new team |
| 05:30.53 | captain_proton | people are too greedy to take care of it if they aren't forced to |
| 05:30.56 | Patlabor221 | http://bzbb.bakadigital.com/viewtopic.php?t=660 |
| 05:31.05 | fiberchunks | yeah, but we _are_ the government -- if we don't address, I can sure as hell assure you that the pocket lining politicos aren't, imho |
| 05:31.08 | captain_proton | like homelessness |
| 05:31.21 | fiberchunks | ah |
| 05:31.49 | Patlabor221 | thats why we should all live in space |
| 05:31.51 | fiberchunks | i doubt politicians give a rat's ass about homelessness, quite frankly |
| 05:31.54 | Patlabor221 | then there would be no homeless |
| 05:31.56 | Patlabor221 | if they were |
| 05:31.59 | Patlabor221 | they would pop |
| 05:32.02 | fiberchunks | lol |
| 05:32.20 | Patlabor221 | be a great motivator "work or you pop" |
| 05:32.53 | Patlabor221 | and if people asked what your taxes went to, the answer would be "your air" |
| 05:33.20 | fiberchunks | hrm |
| 05:33.39 | fiberchunks | wise patlabor -- you have disciples ;) |
| 05:33.40 | Patlabor221 | or you coudl do the heinlinean "air brokers" |
| 05:33.53 | fiberchunks | perriair |
| 05:34.28 | Patlabor221 | not quite |
| 05:34.48 | fiberchunks | what book of his (John, or Joseph, can't remember)? |
| 05:34.55 | Patlabor221 | the lunies allways wonderd why the groundhogs thought it was odd that they allways complained saying air should be free |
| 05:35.08 | Patlabor221 | robert |
| 05:35.14 | fiberchunks | thank you |
| 05:35.32 | Patlabor221 | no air chit, into the lock you go |
| 05:35.39 | Patlabor221 | then you pop |
| 05:35.55 | Patlabor221 | tho I don't think they ever had to actualy do that |
| 05:36.09 | fiberchunks | threat of poppage |
| 05:36.15 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 05:36.17 | fiberchunks | is a strong motivator, I imagine |
| 05:36.29 | Patlabor221 | as would I |
| 05:36.46 | Patlabor221 | tho he did have one that was on the moon that was realy cool |
| 05:37.11 | Patlabor221 | they used the main air recyler station for a city as a human aviary |
| 05:37.27 | Patlabor221 | basicly large volcanic buble filled with cyrulating air |
| 05:37.40 | Patlabor221 | and with 1/6th g, you put wings on a person and they could fly |
| 05:37.59 | fiberchunks | that'd be fun (always wanted to ride the 'vomit comet') |
| 05:38.25 | Patlabor221 | and I think they physics worked too |
| 05:38.29 | Patlabor221 | so it would be posible |
| 05:38.54 | Patlabor221 | man would birds be fubar on the moon |
| 05:39.09 | Patlabor221 | wonder how cats would do |
| 05:39.11 | fiberchunks | heh |
| 05:39.23 | fiberchunks | my golf game would improve dramatically ;) |
| 05:39.25 | Patlabor221 | dogs would probably be screwed too |
| 05:39.38 | Patlabor221 | well they would have to increase the distance 6x too |
| 05:41.42 | fiberchunks | captain_proton: i suppose i'm mostly pissed about taxes due to the _enormous_ amount of waste I see at work -- I would feel much better about things if I had control of my dollars, and was able to help certain causes directly, instead of putting it into money-grubbing assmunches hands directly (whatever that's worth) |
| 05:42.22 | fiberchunks | the military machine gets bigger and bigger, and our social problems haven't evolved hardly at all in the past, oh, 50 years or so |
| 05:43.06 | captain_proton | thats because we're electing military extremests into office |
| 05:43.33 | captain_proton | uhhuh |
| 05:43.37 | fiberchunks | dunno if that's true necessarily |
| 05:43.47 | Patlabor221 | maybe not in toto |
| 05:43.50 | fiberchunks | Patlabor221: that is absolutely true (ironically enough) |
| 05:43.52 | Patlabor221 | but perhaps paritaly |
| 05:44.06 | Patlabor221 | but then it's also time for bed |
| 05:44.11 | Patlabor221 | so I coudl be talkin out my ass |
| 05:44.17 | Patlabor221 | see ya |
| 05:44.21 | fiberchunks | later on |
| 05:44.24 | captain_proton | 'night |
| 05:45.37 | fiberchunks | i tend towards the side of 'government should be as minimal as possible' when it comes to individual freedom |
| 05:46.20 | captain_proton | i'm big on individual freedom |
| 05:46.47 | captain_proton | but at the same time i think that government is the only way to get people to address social issues |
| 05:47.28 | fiberchunks | hrm -- why? I see many organizations that spring up without the need of government to address certain issues (effectiveness is another story) |
| 05:47.47 | captain_proton | because the general populace is greedy and ignorant |
| 05:47.52 | fiberchunks | and with more gov't, comes more regulations, and the people tend to 'depend' on government more to do their thinking |
| 05:48.17 | captain_proton | and if they don't have tax law breathing down their neck, they're not going to help out society |
| 05:48.21 | fiberchunks | this is true, I agree. However, the general populace is greedy and ignorant whether government is prevalent or not, imho |
| 05:48.53 | fiberchunks | well, i also believe in the general decency of people (as a rule) |
| 05:49.39 | fiberchunks | and more government intervention, or regulation, just prevents the 'honest' among us to get the snot kicked out of us by the repulsive |
| 05:49.41 | fiberchunks | imho |
| 05:50.39 | captain_proton | seems to me that we're losing more freedom because of the militant conservatives than big social programs |
| 05:51.10 | fiberchunks | agree entirely, but notice that those militant conservatives are also not the ones supporting social programs |
| 05:51.21 | fiberchunks | so it's more of a lose lose proposition, than anything |
| 05:52.31 | fiberchunks | however, if our wages were not taxed, we could at least know where the money were going - definitively, rather than trusting some beauracratic tool to allocate it properly |
| 05:54.21 | captain_proton | true |
| 05:56.58 | fiberchunks | dunno, I've been really interested of late in the original constitutional intent of this country, rather than what it's become -- it's interesting to note historical differences in attitudes |
| 05:59.01 | fiberchunks | been reading alot of the 'tax protester' stances, and some seem to have valid arguments (when concerning the tax code and respective regulations) -- i'm not sure it's all cruft |
| 06:00.54 | captain_proton | like the freedom to bear arms? :) |
| 06:01.31 | fiberchunks | hrm? explain analogy please |
| 06:02.04 | captain_proton | the original intent of the right to bear arms was very different than most people think |
| 06:02.13 | captain_proton | the british rule imposed a firearm ban |
| 06:02.18 | captain_proton | and people could no longer hunt for food |
| 06:02.49 | captain_proton | the amendment was intended to make it so our government couldn't impose such restrictions |
| 06:02.59 | captain_proton | but...how many people hunt for their food anymore? |
| 06:03.11 | fiberchunks | true |
| 06:04.23 | captain_proton | now everyone wants the right to carry a semi-automatic high-powered handgun to "protect" themselves |
| 06:04.29 | fiberchunks | well, iirc, the 2nd amendment was also to provide for militia armament in times of 'national emergency' as well (correct me if i'm wrong) |
| 06:04.43 | fiberchunks | true enough |
| 06:05.13 | captain_proton | if people want to kill each other, they should do it the civilized way, with swords |
| 06:05.15 | captain_proton | =D |
| 06:05.25 | fiberchunks | i _totally_ agree with you :) |
| 06:05.32 | fiberchunks | there is no honor in a missile ;) |
| 06:06.11 | fiberchunks | shoulda killed all the nuke physicists when we had a chance ;) |
| 06:06.31 | fiberchunks | and that damned einstein -- where'd he come from anyway :D |
| 06:08.02 | fiberchunks | dunno, i think the fruits of one's labor (equal exchange of labor for money), should be that person's own...now, unearned income, that's an entirely different story |
| 06:08.28 | fiberchunks | as well as excise, import, etc taxes -- those are acceptable as well, imho |
| 06:16.12 | fiberchunks | alrighty, off to bed -- have a good night, capt. |
| 06:16.20 | captain_proton | 'night |
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| 14:14.15 | Big_Barrel_ | hello |
| 14:14.42 | Big_Barrel_ | ~ducati6 |
| 14:26.08 | captain_proton | wow |
| 14:26.17 | captain_proton | a message from cell completely lacking obsceneties |
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| 14:30.49 | captain_proton | hiya tim |
| 14:31.10 | captain_proton | TimRiker: if cell leaves you any polite messages, care to forward them to me? i'm collecting them for the amusement of all |
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| 15:51.55 | TD | TimRiker: you make a good game :) now i have adsl i can't blame my lameness on the modem anymore either. i can see myself spending a lot of time in that tank... |
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| 16:32.43 | TimRiker | TD: thanx. ;-) |
| 16:32.53 | Jormungandr | hi Tim. |
| 16:33.02 | TimRiker | now if I can just take the time to get g2 out the door and the next version started. |
| 16:33.29 | TimRiker | Jormungandr: heya. how stable is your server lately? tested the hack against it? |
| 16:33.42 | patlabor221 | would perhaps delegating some of the things for the release help? |
| 16:33.52 | Jormungandr | I'm having a lot of time challenges lately. I've had to let go of a lot of things just to manage the time I have left over. |
| 16:34.13 | Jormungandr | the server is a lot more stable now |
| 16:34.29 | Jormungandr | I even brought dragon.org back with a 2 shot map. |
| 16:34.36 | Big_Barrel_ | you should change the tanks to Dodge Vipers in the next version :) |
| 16:34.44 | Jormungandr | although, I'm not terrible happy with the way V is being handled. :) |
| 16:35.01 | Jormungandr | but the -speedtol 2 is working. |
| 16:35.33 | TD | TimRiker: g2? |
| 16:35.52 | patlabor221 | the next relase |
| 16:35.57 | patlabor221 | 1.7g2 |
| 16:36.41 | Jormungandr | I'll be happy for the release that breaks protocol, so we can finally see a fix the the UDP/NAT issue with multiple players. |
| 16:37.40 | Jormungandr | all 3 of us at our house are big bzflag fans, but only one can play on a server at a time. |
| 16:37.52 | Jormungandr | it'll work for a while, but it eventually breaks. |
| 16:38.06 | patlabor221 | odd, I don't have that problem |
| 16:38.09 | TimRiker | hmm... I play multiplayer at home all the time. |
| 16:38.10 | patlabor221 | what nat? |
| 16:38.28 | TimRiker | I use a linux 2.4.x box as the NAT machine. |
| 16:38.38 | Jormungandr | I'm using a dlink cable router |
| 16:38.44 | Jormungandr | it MIGHT be the router. |
| 16:39.17 | TimRiker | newest firmware? I hear that can help a lot. |
| 16:39.36 | Jormungandr | I haven't upgraded firmware in about 6 months. I should try. |
| 16:40.16 | Jormungandr | after a while, one of us goes NR, then we rejoin, and both of the other 2 go NR. |
| 16:40.22 | Jormungandr | :) then it's a terrible cycle. |
| 16:40.26 | patlabor221 | I use a dlink at home just fine |
| 16:40.31 | patlabor221 | and a gigafast here |
| 16:42.21 | patlabor221 | I think there is an issue with changing screen resoulutions on ATI cards on windows tho |
| 16:42.31 | patlabor221 | I think if they DON'T have direct X |
| 16:42.38 | patlabor221 | but it may be a driver issue |
| 16:42.42 | patlabor221 | I need to do more testing |
| 16:43.50 | patlabor221 | Tim I posed up a windows binary with an installer on the BZBB for people to test a while a go, and I have not seen any major complaints. |
| 16:47.12 | Jormungandr | we have no problems with the dlink unless more than one person is playing. |
| 16:47.37 | patlabor221 | I run multiple clients on my dlink at home |
| 16:47.38 | Jormungandr | I use a linux install, and the other 2 use windows. |
| 16:48.03 | Jormungandr | I'll upgrade the firmware and see if that helps. |
| 16:48.41 | Jormungandr | I did a lot of upgrading last year because of many different isses. |
| 16:49.47 | Jormungandr | issues even |
| 16:51.17 | Jormungandr | what did you loose? |
| 16:51.43 | patlabor221 | a realy cool map editor I had made |
| 16:51.51 | Jormungandr | hrm |
| 16:51.51 | patlabor221 | and I mean REALY cool :) |
| 16:52.12 | patlabor221 | like point and click, WYSIWYG texture editing |
| 16:52.22 | Jormungandr | wow. |
| 16:52.25 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 16:52.34 | Jormungandr | how did you loose it? |
| 16:52.42 | patlabor221 | can't find the code |
| 16:52.50 | patlabor221 | and I don't remember what I called it |
| 16:53.02 | patlabor221 | I think it was called "InfoCell" |
| 16:53.04 | Jormungandr | well, there might still be hope. |
| 16:53.13 | patlabor221 | but the only verisons of it I can find are old |
| 16:53.19 | Jormungandr | unless you formatted drive recently. :) |
| 16:53.20 | patlabor221 | I may have changed the name |
| 16:53.36 | patlabor221 | ohh it was on another computer when I made it |
| 16:53.50 | patlabor221 | but I allways keep a drive of "crap" I take from comp to comp |
| 16:53.54 | Jormungandr | nod |
| 16:54.00 | patlabor221 | so I more then likely copied it |
| 16:54.58 | patlabor221 | so now I'm searching based on function names I problably used in it ( seems I use trTextureInfo a lot) |
| 16:55.23 | Jormungandr | :) |
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| 17:10.12 | JBDiGriz | If she's paying the way, I'll meet with her for you! |
| 17:10.27 | prot-work | hehe |
| 17:20.49 | patlabor221 | welp looks like the code is good and lost :( |
| 17:22.40 | patlabor221 | time to start a new one then, should I call it "Scredit",'ScreamEdit', 'Portifyer', of "Mapinator" ? :) |
| 17:28.29 | prot-work | mapinator |
| 17:29.19 | prot-work | please don't gussy it up with MFC |
| 17:29.21 | patlabor221 | Maptastic? |
| 17:29.44 | prot-work | hmm |
| 17:29.50 | prot-work | if you wanted a classier name, "scrawl" |
| 17:29.59 | prot-work | its maptastic! |
| 17:30.15 | patlabor221 | got a window/dialog type class for sdl? |
| 17:30.32 | prot-work | ...picogui :) |
| 17:30.43 | patlabor221 | that works on windows? |
| 17:30.47 | prot-work | yeah |
| 17:30.54 | patlabor221 | it been ported? |
| 17:30.58 | prot-work | at the moment its a bit of a trick to get it to build (cygwin) |
| 17:31.06 | patlabor221 | bah |
| 17:31.10 | prot-work | but scanline's new scons-based take-over-the-world build system will fix that |
| 17:31.25 | patlabor221 | is it done |
| 17:31.49 | TD | doubt it. scons is waiting for PG2 |
| 17:32.00 | TD | which is a rewrite. they are finishing off pg1 first though |
| 17:32.08 | TD | remarkably mature of them.... |
| 17:32.12 | prot-work | TD: no :) |
| 17:32.20 | prot-work | TD: scanline's been going crazy writing PGbuild |
| 17:32.27 | TD | oh? plans changed then |
| 17:32.29 | TD | cool |
| 17:32.41 | TD | i've looked at scons. not sure how well it'd work real world though |
| 17:32.49 | TD | will be interesting to talk to him about it, see how it went |
| 17:33.04 | prot-work | TD: screamers uses it, its a very sexy thing compared to makefiles |
| 17:33.15 | patlabor221 | it's the only system that worked for me |
| 17:33.33 | prot-work | patlabor221: did you check out the new one? should be pretty obvious how to add stuff |
| 17:33.34 | TD | screamers? |
| 17:33.35 | patlabor221 | and where cap could say "put new files here" and I would not screw up :) |
| 17:33.44 | patlabor221 | no, let me get latest |
| 17:33.56 | TD | yeah, but python? the syntax looked a tad unwieldy for a build system |
| 17:34.59 | patlabor221 | well it's longer |
| 17:35.05 | prot-work | a bit |
| 17:35.08 | patlabor221 | but I like the comments :) |
| 17:35.10 | prot-work | but no more SConscripts |
| 17:35.51 | patlabor221 | I didn't mind the SConscripts |
| 17:36.02 | prot-work | neither did i |
| 17:36.02 | patlabor221 | made it very similar to the dsp/dsw method |
| 17:36.11 | prot-work | but they got in the way of shared libraries, for some reason |
| 17:36.16 | patlabor221 | ahhh |
| 17:36.34 | TD | Sconwhats? |
| 17:36.50 | patlabor221 | little sub script files for each lib |
| 17:37.01 | prot-work | TD: in scons, the main build file is called 'SConstruct', which can call 'SConscript's |
| 17:37.13 | TD | ahh |
| 17:37.16 | TD | ok |
| 17:37.33 | prot-work | patlabor221: i'm especially fond of the section marked with the "dirty dirty hack" comment :) |
| 17:38.08 | patlabor221 | what does that do? |
| 17:38.15 | prot-work | its for installing |
| 17:38.56 | prot-work | maps the lib names to the actual file name (ie Enet will be transformed to libEnet.so on linux and Enet.dll on windows) |
| 17:40.27 | patlabor221 | ahhh |
| 17:40.47 | prot-work | but at the moment it hard-installs into /usr/local/* no matter what platform :) |
| 17:40.52 | patlabor221 | I should check and make sure enet actualy exports something for a dll |
| 17:41.14 | patlabor221 | well for windows they can just go in the bin dir |
| 17:41.18 | patlabor221 | when we have a bin dir |
| 17:41.55 | prot-work | /usr/local/ works as a good default on non-win, you can come up with the windows default |
| 17:42.00 | prot-work | but i need to make the prefix configurable |
| 17:42.17 | patlabor221 | on windows they are not system libs so same dir as the exe |
| 17:42.51 | patlabor221 | and windows installs will be handled by a nsis installer not the build system |
| 17:43.08 | patlabor221 | cus nsis rocks the casbah |
| 17:43.28 | prot-work | nsis can be the installer for release binaries |
| 17:43.33 | prot-work | but the build system can do installation too :) |
| 17:43.51 | patlabor221 | build system won't do registry entries, and make shortcuts will it? |
| 17:44.38 | patlabor221 | for a developmment "install" there isn't much because on windows it's all self contained |
| 17:45.21 | prot-work | it should be able to do those |
| 17:45.32 | patlabor221 | that's rather cool of it |
| 17:45.37 | patlabor221 | not nesisary but rather cool |
| 17:46.00 | prot-work | indeedy |
| 17:46.26 | patlabor221 | heh, heeeeeeeess back.... |
| 17:46.35 | prot-work | hehe |
| 17:46.41 | prot-work | lucky he doesn't know this nickname |
| 17:47.06 | prot-work | and if you tell him, i'll fly out there to deal with you |
| 17:47.21 | patlabor221 | why would I do that |
| 17:47.24 | prot-work | patlabor221: remember, don't respond to him, then when he's stopped (for the time being), sendify me the log |
| 17:47.40 | patlabor221 | I'm not, just leting them sit |
| 17:48.01 | patlabor221 | heh he wants a doom 3 "preview" |
| 17:48.23 | prot-work | http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/cell/ |
| 17:48.31 | patlabor221 | ahh the good music starts now :| |
| 17:48.41 | patlabor221 | :) ! :| |
| 17:48.50 | prot-work | good music? |
| 17:48.58 | patlabor221 | astral projection |
| 17:49.17 | larsl | Which album? |
| 17:49.23 | patlabor221 | dono |
| 17:49.26 | patlabor221 | all of them I think |
| 17:49.31 | patlabor221 | or a number of them |
| 17:49.37 | prot-work | i like how he thinks python is "like C#" |
| 17:49.40 | larsl | My CD player is broken though. |
| 17:49.46 | patlabor221 | heh |
| 17:50.16 | patlabor221 | I think he stoped |
| 17:50.19 | patlabor221 | nope |
| 17:50.47 | patlabor221 | heh he can't even get "f*ck you" right |
| 17:51.44 | patlabor221 | I shall try to DCC |
| 17:51.49 | prot-work | erg |
| 17:51.57 | prot-work | DCC to my home machine |
| 17:52.10 | patlabor221 | that is what I am trying |
| 17:52.12 | patlabor221 | but it's not going |
| 17:52.17 | prot-work | are you firewalled? |
| 17:52.23 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 17:52.32 | prot-work | that won't work |
| 17:52.38 | prot-work | i think you have an account on my box |
| 17:53.40 | prot-work | lemme reset your password |
| 17:53.42 | prot-work | then you can scp it |
| 17:53.53 | patlabor221 | you know i"ve never done that :) |
| 17:54.16 | prot-work | if you get the ssh client from ssh.com its got a happy little graphical version |
| 17:54.26 | patlabor221 | I have putty |
| 17:54.53 | prot-work | that should work too |
| 18:07.02 | *** join/#bzflag Noodleman (~tuckerm@bc183148.bendcable.com) |
| 18:07.54 | patlabor221 | moo |
| 18:08.05 | Noodleman | m00z0rz |
| 18:08.23 | Noodleman | the cat keeps bringing in sagerats :-) |
| 18:09.47 | larsl | We have determined that the human race is best suited to our purposes. |
| 18:09.55 | patlabor221 | you know what that is from? |
| 18:09.59 | larsl | No. |
| 18:10.12 | patlabor221 | tis the invid regis |
| 18:10.14 | larsl | I know that the voice samples from "Dancing galaxy" is from Dune, though. =) |
| 18:10.19 | patlabor221 | and her plan |
| 18:10.28 | larsl | Invid regis? |
| 18:10.34 | patlabor221 | yes |
| 18:10.43 | patlabor221 | from robotech |
| 18:10.50 | patlabor221 | third part of the series |
| 18:11.10 | patlabor221 | the invid were looking for the perfect form |
| 18:11.46 | patlabor221 | and they found it in the meaty bipeds |
| 18:11.57 | patlabor221 | then the the regis transended |
| 18:13.05 | patlabor221 | that show did have the best transforming mech in my opinion |
| 18:13.09 | patlabor221 | they shoudl have done more with it |
| 18:13.49 | patlabor221 | I should model a cylclone and put one in screamers |
| 18:15.23 | patlabor221 | now that I think about it a cyclone would fit quite well :) (evil laugh ) |
| 18:16.52 | patlabor221 | imagine driving around on a motor cycle, then hiting a button and having the bike transform into a suit of power aromor around you, with jetpack :) |
| 18:22.15 | Noodleman | i'm out of inspiration, what should i code up next? :-P |
| 18:22.49 | patlabor221 | something that will erase all the files on cells harddrive |
| 18:23.00 | Noodleman | hehe, i wish |
| 18:23.07 | patlabor221 | no realy |
| 18:23.30 | Noodleman | they'll try to put me in jail if i do something like that |
| 18:23.45 | patlabor221 | naw call it shareware, and give it no waranty |
| 18:23.58 | patlabor221 | and don't make it replicating |
| 18:24.03 | Noodleman | :-) |
| 18:24.13 | Noodleman | i'm not a windows programmer |
| 18:24.37 | patlabor221 | ohh I'm sure you cuold be :) |
| 18:24.38 | Noodleman | he'd have to have perl installed |
| 18:25.00 | patlabor221 | you could tell him it's a IRC channel take over bot in perl |
| 18:25.08 | Noodleman | :-D |
| 18:25.30 | Noodleman | and then i could just majorly obfuscate it |
| 18:25.38 | patlabor221 | I doubt he could read it |
| 18:56.04 | *** part/#bzflag JBDiGriz (~JBDiGriz@216.188.65.26) |
| 19:08.14 | *** join/#bzflag Noodleman (~chatzilla@bc183148.bendcable.com) |
| 19:10.15 | *** join/#bzflag scanline (~micah@12-252-175-3.client.attbi.com) |
| 19:25.10 | *** mode/#bzflag [+e *!s-t-r-a-y*@*.dip.t-dialin.net] by patlabor221 |
| 19:25.35 | patlabor221 | wow he's REALY going off now |
| 19:26.07 | *** join/#bzflag Big_Barrel (~bigbarrel@adsl-66-139-248-117.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) |
| 19:26.13 | Noodleman | what's his nick? |
| 19:26.21 | patlabor221 | lucky |
| 19:26.28 | *** mode/#bzflag [+b *!*lucky*@*] by patlabor221 |
| 19:26.36 | Big_Barrel | can someone unbann Telekom IP's?? Strayer can't get in here because of it...thx |
| 19:26.50 | patlabor221 | I just fixed it for strayer |
| 19:26.58 | patlabor221 | I put him on an exception |
| 19:27.04 | patlabor221 | he should be able to get in now |
| 19:27.18 | Big_Barrel | ok thanks i will tell him |
| 19:27.46 | patlabor221 | wow this will be a good one for caps logs |
| 19:29.53 | *** mode/#bzflag [-b *!*@*.dip.t-dialin.net] by patlabor221 |
| 19:30.03 | *** join/#bzflag strayer (~s-t-r-a-y@p50913063.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 19:30.08 | strayer | ahhh :) |
| 19:30.15 | patlabor221 | well that was the global unban |
| 19:30.24 | patlabor221 | need to figure out how to let the known people in |
| 19:30.38 | strayer | hm.....but how will U do this? |
| 19:30.42 | larsl | His username was ~s-t-r-a-y, not s-t-r-a-y. |
| 19:31.48 | strayer | patlabor221: U said sth about a 'machine name'...what do U mean?...U cannot 'read' my machine's name |
| 19:31.56 | *** join/#bzflag JBDiGriz (~JBDiGriz@216.188.65.26) |
| 19:32.18 | patlabor221 | your host hame |
| 19:32.24 | patlabor221 | its S-T-R-A-Y |
| 19:32.40 | patlabor221 | s-t-r-a-y@p50913063.dip.t-dialin.net |
| 19:32.59 | larsl | I see a '~' in the beginning. |
| 19:33.16 | patlabor221 | well I did *his host |
| 19:33.18 | patlabor221 | it shoudl have worked |
| 19:34.51 | strayer | really?..hm....could not imagine that sth like that would work |
| 19:36.18 | *** join/#bzflag doughecka (WOZNIAK@adsl-68-133.lou.bluegrass.net) |
| 19:36.18 | doughecka | greetings |
| 19:37.04 | Noodleman | m00 |
| 19:37.14 | strayer | hi doughecka |
| 19:37.31 | jraitala | hello |
| 19:39.30 | strayer | Noodleman: I sent U a mail...U already read it? |
| 19:39.52 | Noodleman | just saw it |
| 19:40.07 | strayer | k... |
| 19:40.23 | Noodleman | bah, bugs :-) |
| 19:40.45 | strayer | hehe... |
| 19:41.30 | strayer | Programming is like sex....4 every mistake U make U have to pay 4 the rest of Ur life... |
| 19:42.16 | Noodleman | try the web irc now |
| 19:42.20 | strayer | btw....anyone read this? > http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/7649 |
| 19:42.22 | strayer | ok... |
| 19:44.36 | strayer | Noodleman: no error-message until now, but it seems to need to long.....is more than 2 minutes for the connect normal? |
| 19:45.30 | strayer | or is a special port-forwarding from the router needed? |
| 19:45.35 | *** join/#bzflag testnick (~sbouser@procyon.penguinstalon.com) |
| 19:45.48 | Noodleman | hmm, it seems to connect really quick |
| 19:45.58 | JBDiGriz | It looks like securityfocus has published bzdeath.c to the world, someone needs to let them know it's fixed |
| 19:46.20 | strayer | hm.....seems to be a problem on my side then... |
| 19:46.44 | strayer | JBDiGriz: U can do so... :) |
| 19:48.48 | testnick | m00 |
| 19:49.01 | *** join/#bzflag lucky (~lo@p5080318C.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 19:49.07 | strayer | Noodleman: I will try to forward all ports to my computer...but not today...I have some services running on other computers and can cancel them not before tomorrow |
| 19:49.15 | lucky | hi creeperz |
| 19:49.19 | Noodleman | ok |
| 19:49.40 | strayer | hi lucky |
| 19:49.50 | Noodleman | lucky is cell |
| 19:49.58 | lucky | ~seen creeperZ |
| 19:49.58 | | creeperz <~creeperz@host-11-76-220-24.midco.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 22h 18m 23s ago, saying: 'Odd'. |
| 19:49.59 | strayer | ahhhh....... |
| 19:50.12 | lucky | ~seen creeperz |
| 19:50.12 | | creeperz <~creeperz@host-11-76-220-24.midco.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 22h 18m 37s ago, saying: 'Odd'. |
| 19:52.16 | lucky | hi tim |
| 19:53.12 | fiberchunks | hey noodleman, do you have jzauns new email addy? I tried his old one, but I think he's in college now |
| 19:53.47 | Noodleman | they only one i've got is jzaun@telerama.com, but i sent email to that one and didn't get a reply |
| 19:54.04 | fiberchunks | yeah, I tried jzaun@jzaun.com -- but no joy |
| 19:54.15 | fiberchunks | btw, you know the scores page on stats is busted? |
| 19:54.22 | Noodleman | ah, lemme look |
| 19:54.37 | *** join/#bzflag Patlabor221 (~Patlabor2@208.48.199.214) |
| 19:54.37 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o Patlabor221] by ChanServ |
| 19:54.38 | Noodleman | oh, yeah, i have to upgrade php |
| 19:54.46 | Patlabor221 | damn that sucked |
| 19:54.49 | fiberchunks | just lettin ya know |
| 19:55.30 | *** mode/#bzflag [+b *!*lo@*.dip.t-dialin.net] by Patlabor221 |
| 19:55.30 | *** kick/#bzflag [lucky!~Patlabor2@208.48.199.214] by Patlabor221 (Patlabor221) |
| 19:55.36 | Patlabor221 | take care of that now |
| 20:03.12 | fiberchunks | so cell was messaging a storm earlier? |
| 20:03.42 | Patlabor221 | big time |
| 20:03.58 | fiberchunks | is capt saving all of them - for later amusement? |
| 20:04.05 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 20:04.12 | fiberchunks | heee |
| 20:04.15 | Patlabor221 | I was saving a rather good one when mirc crashed |
| 20:04.22 | fiberchunks | when's he gonna post em? |
| 20:04.40 | fiberchunks | i got time to kill now that my truck is in the shop |
| 20:04.41 | Patlabor221 | I come back here, and he's in the channel, so I kick him, and he PMS me pretending to not be cell |
| 20:04.42 | Patlabor221 | on the same nick |
| 20:04.45 | Patlabor221 | ohh some are up |
| 20:04.52 | Patlabor221 | I don't have the URL tho |
| 20:04.55 | fiberchunks | ah |
| 20:05.23 | Patlabor221 | I think his next poly is going to be pretending to be a "user" and petition tim to get him let in. |
| 20:05.30 | fiberchunks | heh |
| 20:05.49 | strayer | night all... |
| 20:05.55 | strayer | Patlabor221: thx... :) |
| 20:05.56 | fiberchunks | night |
| 20:05.59 | Patlabor221 | sure |
| 20:06.08 | Patlabor221 | sorry we had to do that, it was cus of cell |
| 20:06.26 | fiberchunks | lot of ppl on german dialup here? |
| 20:06.36 | Patlabor221 | it's not dialup |
| 20:06.47 | Patlabor221 | its one of the largest german DSL companys |
| 20:06.50 | Patlabor221 | uses an IP pool |
| 20:06.56 | fiberchunks | ah |
| 20:06.56 | Patlabor221 | so makes bans hard |
| 20:07.10 | fiberchunks | dialin perplexed me |
| 20:07.16 | larsl | Has anyone ever mailed Cell's ISP? |
| 20:07.28 | Patlabor221 | I have not, but I think lilo did |
| 20:07.48 | fiberchunks | wonder who 'russian code molester' is... |
| 20:07.59 | Patlabor221 | where? |
| 20:08.07 | larsl | The bzdeath author. |
| 20:08.11 | fiberchunks | yeah |
| 20:08.21 | Patlabor221 | could be him, dono |
| 20:08.33 | Patlabor221 | ahh here it is |
| 20:08.33 | Patlabor221 | http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/cell/ |
| 20:08.40 | larsl | I doubt it... the code comments are much more coherent than Cell's ramblings. |
| 20:08.47 | fiberchunks | heh |
| 20:08.55 | Patlabor221 | I realy wanted to save the last one |
| 20:09.10 | Patlabor221 | apernatly I have karnal knowlege, of farm animals, and pimps |
| 20:09.38 | rooter | ~ducatictf |
| 20:11.12 | larsl | What a nice boy. |
| 20:11.33 | rooter | any HOW players on? |
| 20:11.55 | fiberchunks | muwahahahahahaha, my ghod, is that a real human? lol |
| 20:12.09 | JBDiGriz | The URL for his ISP is http://www.telekom.de, but I don't understand enough German to catch the AUP. |
| 20:13.08 | Jormungandr | from the first moment cell came into this channel, I knew he'd be trouble. |
| 20:13.36 | fiberchunks | jorm, which servers are yours -- I can never remember |
| 20:13.46 | Jormungandr | secretplace.us and dragon.org |
| 20:13.50 | fiberchunks | ah, thx |
| 20:13.52 | Jormungandr | <--- Nidhoggr |
| 20:14.06 | Jormungandr | but Nidhoggr is a registered nick here by someone else. :) |
| 20:14.29 | Patlabor221 | you should check and see if it still iss |
| 20:14.37 | Patlabor221 | I understand they expire |
| 20:15.02 | Jormungandr | holy granola... check this... |
| 20:15.11 | Jormungandr | Last Seen Address: pentagonc@pD9E68DEE.dip.t-dialin.net |
| 20:15.22 | Jormungandr | it was registered out from under me. |
| 20:15.30 | Jormungandr | but I thought it was a coincidence. |
| 20:15.51 | Jormungandr | but it was registered a long time ago, according to this. |
| 20:16.06 | Jormungandr | 2 years + and the person has never logged in again. |
| 20:16.57 | Patlabor221 | ask one of the ops to release it |
| 20:17.02 | Jormungandr | I wonder if they have a limit where nicks are released |
| 20:17.21 | Patlabor221 | I was told they do |
| 20:17.25 | Patlabor221 | 3 months |
| 20:17.34 | Jormungandr | hrm. |
| 20:17.46 | Jormungandr | who would I ask on opennet? |
| 20:17.50 | Patlabor221 | may not be automatic tho |
| 20:17.54 | Jormungandr | ah |
| 20:18.03 | Patlabor221 | I know of 2 names lilo and misato |
| 20:18.11 | Patlabor221 | check #freenode |
| 20:22.58 | rooter | anybody want to match TDS? |
| 20:27.50 | Patlabor221 | they where helpfull to creeper so one woudl think they would be helpfull to poeple who are nice. |
| 20:28.12 | Jormungandr | nod.. I think he's dropping the nick from the database for me. |
| 20:28.19 | Patlabor221 | very cool |
| 20:28.30 | fiberchunks | what is a TDS? |
| 20:29.14 | Nidhoggr | HRAY! |
| 20:29.18 | fiberchunks | :) |
| 20:29.38 | Nidhoggr | I misread.. it was 24 weeks, so it probably WAS cell who reg'd it out from under me. |
| 20:29.53 | Patlabor221 | probably |
| 20:31.04 | fiberchunks | that bigger than cheeses site has some funny cartoons on it, Patlabor221, thanks :) |
| 20:31.12 | Patlabor221 | yes it does :) |
| 20:31.36 | fiberchunks | did you see the dbz spoof / storyline? |
| 20:31.42 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 20:31.48 | Patlabor221 | the super powerd fetus |
| 20:31.51 | fiberchunks | lol |
| 20:31.59 | Patlabor221 | "those children molested themselves" |
| 20:33.03 | Noodleman | how do i find out which host registered a nick? |
| 20:33.20 | Patlabor221 | probably not a publicly avail thing |
| 20:33.27 | Patlabor221 | but nickserv should know |
| 20:33.51 | fiberchunks | interesting to see the artwork archive, and the difference bet. when he started and now |
| 20:34.17 | Patlabor221 | yeah he has goten a LOT better |
| 20:34.34 | Patlabor221 | makes me know he rely is puting efort into it |
| 20:35.29 | fiberchunks | does he use a tablet to draw all that out, or just freehand scans and such? (I have no idea about these things) |
| 20:35.47 | Patlabor221 | MS paint |
| 20:35.54 | Patlabor221 | but now flash |
| 20:37.02 | TimRiker | what's with the dialin.net bans here? |
| 20:37.24 | Patlabor221 | cell keeps trying stuff |
| 20:37.40 | Patlabor221 | he was even baned by lilo once |
| 20:38.35 | Patlabor221 | and we can't ban the subnet cus there are good people who use it |
| 20:39.11 | Patlabor221 | it's sad that this is all he does all day |
| 20:39.36 | fiberchunks | 'your puny faith is no match against my pseudoscientific powers!' |
| 20:39.42 | fiberchunks | lol |
| 20:39.43 | Patlabor221 | heh |
| 20:40.37 | *** join/#bzflag MrCooper (~daenzer@dclient80-218-118-173.hispeed.ch) |
| 20:40.43 | Patlabor221 | nid, do you have the ability to boot your machine with your ATI to windows? |
| 20:41.04 | Nidhoggr | not currently. it's an eventual goal, though. |
| 20:41.09 | Patlabor221 | ok |
| 20:41.31 | Patlabor221 | I need someone with an ATI to test BZ in windows, with the current drivers and NOT DX9 |
| 20:41.38 | Patlabor221 | both G0 and G1 |
| 20:41.55 | Nidhoggr | roomie has ATI |
| 20:42.00 | Nidhoggr | it's an older one, though. |
| 20:42.07 | Patlabor221 | any ATI seems to have the issue |
| 20:42.11 | Nidhoggr | ah |
| 20:42.20 | Nidhoggr | I can ask if he'll help when I get home. |
| 20:42.38 | Patlabor221 | when you have a moment can you have them try to run a res OTHEr then the desktop res and see if it actualy changes res |
| 20:42.45 | Patlabor221 | with the g1 I posted |
| 20:43.02 | Nidhoggr | nod. can you email me all that you want to have checked out? mandrake@dragon.org |
| 20:43.07 | Patlabor221 | so far 2 people say it fails and just shows a borderless window |
| 20:43.12 | Nidhoggr | then I can just forward it to him. |
| 20:43.13 | Patlabor221 | sure |
| 20:43.15 | Nidhoggr | fanks. |
| 20:43.33 | Nidhoggr | mmm veggie subway sub |
| 20:43.40 | Noodleman | nummy |
| 20:43.43 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 20:43.48 | doughecka | no meat |
| 20:43.54 | Nidhoggr | food truck was no show today. |
| 20:44.14 | Nidhoggr | I'm in a meditational phase where I have to go vegetarian for a while. |
| 20:44.27 | doughecka | wee, 41 emails since morning! |
| 20:44.27 | Nidhoggr | which I don't enjoy |
| 20:44.55 | Nidhoggr | the meditation is great, but going meatless makes me sensitive and I cry at sad commercials. :) |
| 20:45.41 | larsl | Nice, I found a HOWTO for TV out on Linux using GeForce2 MX. Didn't even know it had a TV out. =) |
| 20:45.50 | Nidhoggr | cool |
| 20:45.56 | larsl | Too bad I don't have a TV. |
| 20:46.01 | Nidhoggr | heh |
| 20:48.56 | Nidhoggr | too many people assume because I'm mandrake@tiphareth.net that I use Mandrake linux. |
| 20:49.03 | doughecka | heh |
| 20:49.31 | Nidhoggr | maybe I can scan my driver's license in and put it on a web page. |
| 20:50.51 | Nidhoggr | maybe I'll write Mandrake and ask for a family discount. *snort* |
| 20:50.57 | doughecka | lol |
| 20:51.27 | larsl | Nidhoggr Mandrake. Cool name. =) |
| 20:51.40 | Nidhoggr | actually, my name is Cameron Mandrake |
| 20:52.14 | Nidhoggr | Nidhoggr is just my irc nick for a long time. |
| 20:53.09 | Nidhoggr | maybe I should go back to teaching and all the kids can call me Dr. Mandrake again. |
| 20:54.35 | Nidhoggr | well, kids were college students. |
| 20:54.41 | Nidhoggr | but to me, they were kids. |
| 20:55.30 | Nidhoggr | except at community colleges.. they tend to have older students. |
| 20:55.35 | Nidhoggr | people going back to school. |
| 20:56.16 | Nidhoggr | got email, thanks patlabor221 |
| 20:59.39 | prot-work | tradition |
| 20:59.42 | Nidhoggr | heh |
| 20:59.52 | doughecka | bork bork |
| 21:00.09 | JBDiGriz | The fast machines are busy doing real work. |
| 21:00.17 | larsl | Probably. |
| 21:00.28 | doughecka | like bzflag |
| 21:00.50 | Nidhoggr | also, old science/math types have a hard time throwing old equipment away as long as it still boots. |
| 21:01.02 | doughecka | heh |
| 21:01.43 | JBDiGriz | So do old computer science types! |
| 21:01.50 | Nidhoggr | yup |
| 21:01.51 | larsl | But the CS and physics departments always have decent servers. |
| 21:02.05 | Nidhoggr | I'm pretty good about getting rid of old stuff. |
| 21:03.43 | Nidhoggr | when I moved into the house I am in now, I threw away about 40 boxes of old stuff. |
| 21:03.53 | Nidhoggr | a fiend of mine is a huge zope fan. |
| 21:03.56 | JBDiGriz | Would you need a HP9000/712? |
| 21:04.13 | Nidhoggr | an HP 9000 would be pretty cool. |
| 21:04.39 | JBDiGriz | It still boots, but it's an old pizza box type machine. |
| 21:05.05 | Nidhoggr | it's end up getting tossed out, though in one of my fits of cleaning/organizing. :) |
| 21:05.15 | Nidhoggr | s/it's/it'd |
| 21:05.45 | JBDiGriz | I'll probably find a museum for it when I finally move everything out of my home office. |
| 21:06.23 | Nidhoggr | heh |
| 21:06.35 | *** join/#bzflag Robin_R_R (~robin@ip-66-45-202-201.nw-tel.com) |
| 21:06.57 | Robin_R_R | For some reason when I try and blag bzflag it takes control of my keyboard and mouse even with -window and I can't switch apps :( |
| 21:07.02 | Robin_R_R | I half to kill it to switch stuff |
| 21:07.17 | Patlabor221 | what OS? |
| 21:07.21 | Robin_R_R | gentoo linux |
| 21:07.28 | Patlabor221 | thats what it does |
| 21:07.53 | Robin_R_R | so there is no way to make it so it dosen't do that? |
| 21:07.59 | Patlabor221 | dono |
| 21:08.03 | prot-work | there's a way |
| 21:08.07 | prot-work | you just don't want to do it |
| 21:08.30 | Patlabor221 | does it involve chicken? :) |
| 21:08.39 | JBDiGriz | just the feathers |
| 21:08.46 | larsl | Robin_R_R: You should still be able to switch keyboard focus to another window, but BZFlag will keep the mouse focus. |
| 21:08.46 | Patlabor221 | and tar? |
| 21:09.00 | Robin_R_R | larsl, so there isn't a way to change focus then? |
| 21:09.03 | JBDiGriz | usually honey! |
| 21:09.23 | larsl | Robin_R_R: If you run it in a separate workspace you can switch workspace. That will force it to give up mouse focus. |
| 21:09.31 | Patlabor221 | hey don't call me honey, I barely know you. |
| 21:09.46 | Nidhoggr | you should at least buy him dinner first. |
| 21:09.47 | Robin_R_R | larsl, you mean sepearte x's? |
| 21:09.49 | larsl | The current CVS version also releases the mouse when the player is paused or dead, I don't remember which one. |
| 21:09.56 | larsl | Robin_R_R: No, just separate workspaces. |
| 21:10.11 | prot-work | although a separate x server works quite well |
| 21:10.22 | prot-work | so long as you've got an nvidia card (ATI will only accelerate the first) |
| 21:11.27 | Patlabor221 | wow |
| 21:11.33 | JBDiGriz | I've never tried it with Nidhoggr ducks, let me know how it works out! |
| 21:11.50 | Nidhoggr | hahahahahha |
| 21:12.36 | Robin_R_R | alright |
| 21:12.41 | Robin_R_R | so if i download the cvs it should fix it? |
| 21:12.54 | larsl | Robin_R_R: Only when you're paused (or dead). |
| 21:13.17 | Robin_R_R | sounds good enough for me |
| 21:13.19 | Robin_R_R | that's what I need :P |
| 21:13.40 | Patlabor221 | wow we added a lot more video cards that we sell now |
| 21:26.20 | TD | can i make bzflag use esound? |
| 21:26.58 | prot-work | TD: esddsp *might* work |
| 21:27.37 | larsl | TD: No. |
| 21:27.49 | larsl | TD: Well, you can, but you need to hack some C++. |
| 21:27.51 | larsl | =) |
| 21:28.05 | prot-work | larsl: esddsp doesn't even try to work? |
| 21:28.19 | larsl | What's that, OSS emulation for ESD? |
| 21:28.29 | larsl | I have never used it, it might work. |
| 21:29.48 | prot-work | sort of |
| 21:29.51 | doughecka | welcome Patlabor221 |
| 21:29.53 | doughecka | :) |
| 21:30.03 | prot-work | it does a library preload to catch an open() to a dsp |
| 21:30.05 | Patlabor221 | doug you are not on the dark side |
| 21:30.07 | prot-work | and provides a fake one |
| 21:30.12 | doughecka | hrm |
| 21:30.18 | doughecka | I am in the grey side |
| 21:30.38 | Patlabor221 | no you are in the fake place where they catch posers |
| 21:31.23 | Patlabor221 | those of us who are about to commit the heinous act, we saluite you! |
| 21:36.37 | *** join/#bzflag fiberchunks (~fiberchun@237.14.252.64.snet.net) |
| 21:37.09 | fiberchunks | hey, can one of you all explain: NVRM: AGPGART, freed XXX pages messages at shutdown? (got like 15 of these messages) |
| 21:38.14 | prot-work | its freeing AGP memory |
| 21:38.45 | fiberchunks | well, yes, but I was wondering what may cause all that memory to be stuck in the first place (first time this has happened -- bzflag slowed to a crawl....) |
| 21:39.14 | fiberchunks | just a driver hiccup? or some deeper reason? |
| 21:39.21 | doughecka | its waaay deep |
| 21:39.28 | fiberchunks | quiet down |
| 21:39.47 | doughecka | :) |
| 21:40.05 | JBDiGriz | Check the log for an earlier allocated message. |
| 21:40.07 | Nidhoggr | I always have to kill -9 bzflag processes on my linux box, even after a clean quit, or it remains running in the background. |
| 21:40.39 | Nidhoggr | so when you quit, do a ps -auwwx | grep bzflag, and see if it's still running. |
| 21:41.01 | fiberchunks | history: have never had your prob. Nidhoggr, always exits nicely -no zombies or such... |
| 21:41.10 | Nidhoggr | wierd. |
| 21:41.23 | Nidhoggr | I've had others say they had same problem |
| 21:41.36 | doughecka | I bet its mandrake |
| 21:41.48 | Nidhoggr | ~lart doughecka |
| 21:41.51 | fiberchunks | I think it has something to do with the flight sim package I just installed and ran a few days ago -- probably that which is causing the problem |
| 21:41.58 | Nidhoggr | ah |
| 21:43.03 | fiberchunks | speaking of which, can bz use pedals / joystick for input? I can't remember if you can or not |
| 21:45.50 | Nidhoggr | I saw some joystick references while compiling, but I don't know specifics. |
| 21:46.24 | fiberchunks | hrm, I'll have to look into that more, thanks |
| 21:46.29 | Nidhoggr | :) np |
| 21:46.40 | larsl | I've seen patches for joysticks on SF, I think. |
| 21:59.39 | *** part/#bzflag JBDiGriz (~JBDiGriz@216.188.65.26) |
| 22:02.24 | prot-work | homestar hidden stuff? |
| 22:02.43 | Patlabor221 | almost every strongbad e-mail has hidden things |
| 22:07.52 | TD | hm. what does it mean if my bullets go through other tanks, several times (ie no shield). am i lagged? |
| 22:08.03 | Patlabor221 | or they are |
| 22:08.05 | Patlabor221 | or they are cheating |
| 22:08.09 | TD | hm |
| 22:08.32 | TD | the server doesn't arbitrate the kills? |
| 22:08.37 | Patlabor221 | nope |
| 22:08.49 | Patlabor221 | hence all the cheating |
| 22:09.14 | TD | suck. i suppose this one has been done to death many times |
| 22:09.26 | larsl | It's mostly lag though. |
| 22:09.41 | Patlabor221 | yeah it is usualy lag |
| 22:09.43 | TD | is there no way to get a ping off another player? |
| 22:10.02 | doughecka | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:10.04 | Patlabor221 | its /playerstats I think |
| 22:10.10 | Patlabor221 | ahh yeah lagstats |
| 22:10.17 | TD | ok, ta |
| 22:10.24 | Patlabor221 | heh /playerstats is my new comand :) |
| 22:10.43 | larsl | That will be one nice side effect of breaking the protocol - people will have to write new cheat clients. |
| 22:10.52 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 22:11.12 | TD | i suppose there isn't any good way to keep latency down when keeping track of everything on the server is there? |
| 22:11.33 | Patlabor221 | sure there is |
| 22:11.36 | Patlabor221 | lots of ways |
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| 22:12.11 | Patlabor221 | after proto break then more of those ways can be explored |
| 22:12.20 | TD | ok, good to hear |
| 22:12.45 | Patlabor221 | if there is a proto break |
| 22:13.48 | larsl | Are the clients using multicast to talk to each other at all now, or does all communication go through the server? |
| 22:14.21 | Patlabor221 | server |
| 22:14.31 | Patlabor221 | that's how we can do the current auto kicks |
| 22:14.38 | larsl | OK. |
| 22:14.50 | larsl | So the references to multicasting in the code are from old versions? |
| 22:14.57 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 22:15.22 | larsl | So there is really no need for the clients to know each others IPs. |
| 22:15.28 | Patlabor221 | not anymore |
| 22:15.58 | larsl | I suppose that should be removed after g2 as well. =) |
| 22:16.46 | Patlabor221 | I don't know how it would affect older clients but it seesm like a good idea yes |
| 22:18.09 | *** join/#bzflag prot-work (~jupiter@161.97.199.99) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
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| 22:18.28 | larsl | Could get ugly if someone found an exploit for the client. Log in on a popular server, get some IPs, attack. |
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| 22:19.02 | Patlabor221 | I think that is hapening now |
| 22:19.09 | larsl | Really? |
| 22:19.22 | Patlabor221 | there are clients that log everyones IPs |
| 22:22.01 | prot-work | :) |
| 22:22.21 | Patlabor221 | well not quite the way you expect tho :) |
| 22:22.29 | prot-work | how are you doing it? |
| 22:22.40 | Patlabor221 | same way I allways do it |
| 22:22.47 | Patlabor221 | just smarter this time |
| 22:23.02 | prot-work | explain |
| 22:23.11 | Patlabor221 | the MFC is minimised |
| 22:23.31 | Patlabor221 | and wraped up so all the porter has to do it make a native interface |
| 22:23.41 | Patlabor221 | no MFC doc/view stuff |
| 22:23.46 | prot-work | good |
| 22:24.00 | Patlabor221 | but I still get the use of MFC for the dialog interfaces ( what I mostly use it for ). |
| 22:24.41 | Patlabor221 | tho a version of lge that uses like gtk would need to be made |
| 22:25.04 | prot-work | not a problem |
| 22:25.10 | Patlabor221 | I didn't think it would be |
| 22:25.22 | Patlabor221 | just like for this I use the win32 LGE |
| 22:27.59 | Patlabor221 | I am also de-mfcing the mfc |
| 22:28.13 | doughecka | can you do that? :) |
| 22:28.18 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 22:28.25 | Patlabor221 | as long as the code is still there |
| 22:28.40 | Patlabor221 | it's all built on win32 anyway |
| 22:28.44 | Patlabor221 | it's just a framework |
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| 22:32.56 | doughecka | bah, mac hardware is so silly |
| 22:34.01 | doughecka | hmm, I get a happy mac, but nothing mroe |
| 22:34.22 | doughecka | oh yay |
| 22:34.38 | doughecka | constant pushing of the powerbutton worked |
| 22:39.54 | doughecka | Ulch - that meat was tainted! You feel deathly sick. |
| 22:45.45 | Patlabor221 | well this should piss class wizard off a good amount. |
| 22:46.26 | prot-work | ? |
| 22:46.39 | Patlabor221 | I moved all kinds of stuff around |
| 22:46.47 | Patlabor221 | and edited where is says "don't edit here" |
| 22:47.16 | doughecka | cool |
| 22:55.38 | Patlabor221 | wow this is the cleanest MFC main i've ever seen :) |
| 22:59.38 | larsl | ~convert 1 mile to km |
| 22:59.56 | doughecka | yea, approximately |
| 23:00.43 | doughecka | that was quick |
| 23:19.33 | fiberchunks | prot-work: any idea how I go about playing .bin/.cue with xine? |
| 23:19.40 | fiberchunks | never done it before |
| 23:20.19 | prot-work | xine can't do images |
| 23:20.32 | prot-work | but mplayer -vcd <track> -cuefile blah.cue will work |
| 23:21.00 | fiberchunks | xine can't do images? don't understand the meaning of that |
| 23:21.13 | prot-work | .bin/.cue is a CD image |
| 23:21.20 | prot-work | xine can't play CD images, only real VCDs |
| 23:21.31 | fiberchunks | oh, so I'd have to burn it first? |
| 23:21.34 | fiberchunks | or get mplayer |
| 23:21.40 | prot-work | right |
| 23:21.47 | fiberchunks | ic |
| 23:22.04 | fiberchunks | is there a default cdrecord command line for vcds? |
| 23:22.14 | prot-work | use cdrdao |
| 23:22.18 | prot-work | not cdrecord |
| 23:22.21 | larsl | I think you need cdrdao. |
| 23:22.25 | fiberchunks | mkay, I'll read the man on it, thx |
| 23:24.14 | *** join/#bzflag iLLf8d (~neener@user-0can1b0.cable.mindspring.com) |
| 23:24.20 | iLLf8d | hey all |
| 23:24.34 | iLLf8d | can someone come on HIX and give wylee the boot |
| 23:24.39 | iLLf8d | seems we need to reset the red flag |
| 23:24.46 | iLLf8d | it never scores points anymore |
| 23:24.54 | iLLf8d | he's the only red that won't restart the client |
| 23:25.12 | iLLf8d | or if someone can gimme the admin password for hix that'd help too |
| 23:26.26 | iLLf8d | hmm |
| 23:26.27 | iLLf8d | no didn't work |
| 23:26.32 | iLLf8d | can someone restart Hix? |
| 23:26.42 | iLLf8d | red flag is still missing |
| 23:26.53 | iLLf8d | sorry xmission field |
| 23:30.57 | fiberchunks | hrm, has anyone ever burnt a vcd with cdrdao? I am perplexed as to how to compose the command line :\ |
| 23:32.46 | fiberchunks | I'm thinking: cdrdao --device 0,2,0 --datafile foo.bin --speed 8 foo.cue <-- does that look right? |
| 23:40.51 | fiberchunks | prot-work: you still here? |
| 23:41.27 | fiberchunks | got mplayer -- how do I play all tracks from a .bin file? does globbing work (i.e. mplayer -vcd * -cuefile foo.cue |
| 23:45.01 | Patlabor221 | aww yeah, mirco MFC is all working :) |
| 23:46.05 | larsl | fiberchunks: You usually don't need the --cuefile and -vcd options - just 'mplayer image.bin'. |
| 23:46.19 | fiberchunks | ah, thx, I'll try that |
| 23:50.28 | fiberchunks | very cool -- that works perfectly larsl! Is there an X frontend for mplayer, or is it strictly cli? |
| 23:50.55 | larsl | I think there's some kind of GUI called gmplayer. I've never used it, though. |
| 23:51.19 | larsl | I think you have to give 'configure' some special option if you want to build it. |
| 23:52.08 | fiberchunks | ah, I'm using rpms -- so I'll have to check into that as well - thanks again |
| 23:52.48 | larsl | I don't need a GUI, I always control it with my remote and LIRC. =) |
| 23:54.31 | fiberchunks | heh, don't have a remote, and have no idea what lirc is :) |
| 23:54.43 | larsl | Linux Infrared Remote Control. |
| 23:54.51 | fiberchunks | ah |
| 23:55.06 | larsl | A bunch of modules and daemons that handles signals from remotes. Very useful. =) |
| 23:55.30 | fiberchunks | the mplayerhq site is down -- do you know where I can find a list of key commands (stop, play, pause, ff, rew, etc?) |
| 23:55.51 | fiberchunks | manpage doesn't seem to help |
| 23:56.07 | fiberchunks | nm -- the --help option gives it to me |
| 23:56.27 | larsl | Pause/unpause - 'space', FF/Rew - arrow keys, Fullscreen - 'F'. |
| 23:56.55 | fiberchunks | thanx -- off to watch some goodies :) |
| 23:58.16 | doughecka | hmm, what to do with a powermac 7200 with a bad powersupply... |
| 23:58.21 | larsl | Red flag is still gone on xmission, although no reds were playing for several minutes. |
| 23:58.30 | larsl | It won't reset. Any admins? |
| 23:59.09 | Patlabor221 | my xmission password dosn't seem to work anynmore |
| 23:59.49 | doughecka | bah, how do I start up a mac and reset the monitor settings? it goes all wierd and I want to reset it |