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00:29.16michaelh2when cometh g2?
00:30.26michaelh2ibot g2
00:30.27Easy to use, portable and powerful 2D graphics library. URL: http://www.ap.univie.ac.at/users/ljubo/g2/g2.shtml
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00:30.42dougheckagreetings
00:30.53michaelh2when cometh g2?
00:31.49Patlabor221"soon" was the last I heard
00:34.44michaelh2I've got this server cache thing I'm working on -- preserves a list of servers
00:34.54michaelh2and throws them up if the list server is down
00:35.18Patlabor221be nice to be able to speficy muliple list servers too
00:35.29michaelh2fair amount of work for that once in 2 month event
00:35.47michaelh2you mean in the GUI
00:35.49michaelh2n?
00:36.09Patlabor221in the hardcoded list server stuff
00:36.13Patlabor221and the config file
00:36.24michaelh2easy enough to do
00:36.42michaelh2they wrote all the code to search through multiple servers
00:36.50Patlabor221coo
00:37.17michaelh2I've been staring at that part of the code for a while now :)
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06:37.51Patlabor221by golly I think I have a font tool
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12:28.24chapmanc_who is the maintainer of bzedit.  is it Cpt Proton?
12:45.50dougheckawell
12:45.58dougheckathe linux version is captain_proton
12:46.06dougheckathe windows version is patlabor221
12:46.24dougheckathe paper version is made by me
12:46.37chapmanc_I thought so.  As he helped me compile it yesterday
12:46.43dougheckak
12:46.50chapmanc_huh what's with my nick!
12:47.02Secret_Hamsterthere we are
12:47.07dougheckaheh
12:47.26Secret_Hamsterjust I've found a bug
12:47.38dougheckacool
12:47.42dougheckabug captain_proton about it
12:47.43Secret_Hamsterrather "it's just, I've found a bug"
12:47.52dougheckaah
12:48.30Secret_Hamsterif you close the element list or the element inspector you can't open them again
12:48.38Secret_Hamsterkinda annoying
12:49.58Secret_Hamsterplus the kinda windows he's used means I can't grab the edges to move it (I'm using blackbox)
12:52.01dougheckaah
12:52.36Secret_Hamsterthe reopening problem is the worst bit that I'm most concerned about
12:52.56Secret_Hamsteris there a sourceforge page or something for bzedit
12:53.10dougheckahrm
12:53.11dougheckadunno
12:53.53Secret_Hamsteroh well perhaps I'll just bug him on email :)
12:53.59doughecka;p;
12:54.01dougheckalol
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12:59.31Secret_Hamsterhum also noticed the element list does not fill out either, unless you add something
13:00.07Secret_HamsterIf I was a better coder I might join in on the maintainence.  But I'm not very good at this sort of thing
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13:01.00dougheckaheh
13:01.26Secret_Hamsteryou should see the perl code I'm writing.  It's getting a right state
13:02.02dougheckafor bzmaps?
13:03.15Secret_Hamsterwell I wrote one for starting bzfs.  just a simple thing.  don't use it much more now as I don't have the bandwidth to run one
13:03.21dougheckaah
13:03.44Secret_Hamsterthis perl stuff I'm talking about is actually for an IRC bot
13:04.05dougheckacool
13:04.41Secret_HamsterI want to do some fancier web pages using cgi/perl and php.  but my ISP don't allow scripting on the server
13:05.36Secret_HamsterI could host locally I suppose.  But I don't wnat to use any of my Lan PCs and I've not got a spare one to stick in a DMZ
13:06.49dougheckaah
13:14.40Secret_Hamsteroh well perhaps I can learn
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13:15.05Secret_HamsterC++ and stuff and join in coding anyway
13:15.06Secret_HamsterAll I need is some money
13:15.10Secret_HamsterOh bugger I forgot.  I don't have any
13:21.20dougheckalol
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14:19.22dougheckagreetings
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15:11.20dougheckagreetings
15:18.27Secret_Hamsterhey I just thought.  I could help with documentation
15:18.47Secret_Hamsterdarn can't do that!  No brain.
15:19.12Secret_HamsterHell neither has the Microsoft documenters. I mean how hard can it be
15:19.59Secret_Hamsterto start a new map File->new
15:20.27Secret_Hamsterto start a save map File->Save
15:20.39Secret_Hamsterto quit File->Quit
15:20.43Secret_Hamstersee dead easy
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15:40.11rooterIs Mr. Apathy Cream's site down temporary?
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16:05.10Gorbhello
16:05.16Gorbagain, what is evil about euler?
16:05.27Gorbeuler angles
16:05.38Gorbthe gimbal lock
16:05.45Gorbwhat is that?
16:08.02Gorbi dont understand my own quaternion code any more, what the hell are quaternions again
16:08.47Gorb+dict quaternion
16:08.54Gorb~dict quaternion
16:38.22captain_protonugggggg
16:38.37captain_protonthe people i ordered memory from want me to make a long-distance call about it
16:38.48captain_proton(probably irritated that my card is going to expire next month)
16:41.44rooteris there something wrong with the -directory switch on bzflag win version?
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17:09.46captain_protonPatlabor221: i added invisible jello ;)
17:10.10Patlabor221lime green I take it?
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17:10.51Patlabor221I've recreated your lost font tool :)
17:15.53Patlabor221and waits for his new video card :)
17:16.35captain_protonPatlabor221: invisible!
17:16.54Patlabor221so what does it do?
17:16.55captain_protonit sets the velocity to zero on collision, so you get stuck in invisible jello - you can still drive through it though
17:17.11Patlabor221just slowly?
17:18.03Patlabor221think we should just reflect from the poly that was hit, unless it is horizontal enough to support then player?
17:20.47captain_protonwell yeah
17:22.52captain_protonat this point the collision volumes are still kind of weird
17:30.01Patlabor221ahh
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17:35.15Gorbhi
17:36.18Gorbhow do i know that the right hand rule is correct when making the cross product of two vectors?
17:44.51captain_protonbecause it is?
17:46.34Gorbno
17:47.02Gorbthe vector could also point down
17:47.17Gorbyou have to proofe it
17:47.59Gorbsomehow
17:48.50Gorbfor example if you have 3 orthonormal axes, how do you proofe mathematically if the 3 axes form a left hand or a right hand system?
17:49.16Gorbor how do ypu prrofe it with c++
17:49.39Gorbi mean compute with c++
17:49.46captain_protoncross product always forms a right hand system :P
17:49.51Gorbas an example
17:50.05Gorbwhy?
17:50.13Patlabor221yeah cross of any 2 vectors gives you the right hand nomral
17:50.17Patlabor221that's what it does
17:50.20Gorbbut why?
17:50.28Patlabor221cus it does
17:50.36Gorbthat is no proof
17:50.40Patlabor221then READ
17:50.47Gorbups
17:51.23captain_protonGorb: its the goddamn definition
17:51.32Gorbno
17:51.38Patlabor221cell go away
17:51.43captain_protonits like a derivative - the reason it is is just because it IS
17:52.08Gorbwhat derivate?
17:52.19Gorbhow is this related
17:52.22captain_protonthe "right hand" thing is only a simple way of relating to it
17:52.44captain_protonleft hand is not
17:52.45captain_protonits that simple
17:52.51Gorbthere must be a proof
17:52.57captain_protonaccept this fact and move on
17:53.14Gorbhm try to solve it
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17:54.48Patlabor221wheeee that was fun
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18:45.27Patlabor221well now this should be fun
18:46.37Patlabor221cap would like this mac :)
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19:54.09rooterWhen running bzflag from the command line it seems that the -directory parameter doesn't support spaces... ?
19:55.21[dmp]can't use quote the path?
19:55.35[dmp]cant you quote that path?
19:56.04rooterI've tried that
19:56.27[dmp]what platform do you use?
19:56.38rooter"C:\Program Files\BZFlag1.7g1\bzflag.exe" -callsign root -port 5155 -team rogue ducati.bzflag.org -directory "C:\Program Files\BZFlag1.7g1\data"
19:56.44rooterboth win and linux
19:57.11rooteri don't use spaces in my linux names
19:57.59[dmp]hmm i got a similar shortcut, but have no spaces. hmm
19:58.20rooterwindows?
19:58.21[dmp]have you tried to modify your bzflag.bzc ? eg: directoryc:\programmer\bzflag1.7g1\data
19:58.27[dmp](thats mine)
19:58.50[dmp]the funny chars are tabs :)
19:59.03rooterwell... it works from there... but...  if I want to run it cmd line from any directory i have to put the -directory param
19:59.22Secret_Hamstertypical sloppy way that windows creates prolems for itself by naturally allowing spaces in filenames and directories
19:59.30rootereven if the directory is in the bzflag.bzc
19:59.45[dmp]Secret_Hamster: unix allows spaces and all kinds of funny chars as well.
19:59.47rooteri agree that windows sucks on many levels
20:00.04[dmp]Well, i cant help you then, root :-\
20:00.06Secret_Hamsteryea but they do say they are supported but distained
20:00.13rooterbut the app i'm developing requires it
20:00.23[dmp]hmm
20:00.27rooterthanks anyway [dmp] :)
20:00.28Secret_Hamsterthey don't actually name and OFFICIAL directory with a space in it
20:00.52[dmp]have you tried: c:\progra~1\ .. ?
20:00.55Secret_Hamsteri'm just picky like that.  I think it was a big mistake naming it "Program Files"
20:01.27rooterthat will probably work... but the path to bzflag is set by the user and they could put anything
20:01.28Secret_Hamsterthey can't even spell programme correctly
20:01.34[dmp]Well, actually I dont mind having spaces in directories. Most users dont care eihter as they use gui.
20:01.35rootertoo true!
20:02.37[dmp]hmm .. I kinda doubt that they have called it "program files" by accident. Anyway, i dont care much. Mine is called programmer anyway :-)
20:02.41[dmp]And I'm off..
20:03.18rooterbye
20:04.11Secret_Hamsterwell the fact they put thought into the name and called it such is even worse!
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20:49.20Nukularhi
20:49.37Secret_Hamsterhi
20:50.10Nukulari am really bad at this game
20:51.05Nukulargot any tips to make me better?
20:52.07Noodleman_workgo bash your head against the wall :-)
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20:52.24Noodleman_worki've played for 1 1/2 years and i suck majorly :-)
20:53.17Nukularcome to the server with 1r and 1g
20:54.10[STC]_creeperzHi, people.
20:59.37[STC]_creeperzAhhh, BZFlag shirt is finally here
21:02.01Nukularis there really a bzflag o'really book?
21:02.13[STC]_creeperzI really don't think so
21:02.15dougheckayuperrrrr nope
21:02.16[STC]_creeperz:-/
21:02.19Nukulardarn
21:02.24[STC]_creeperzI wish
21:02.34[STC]_creeperzPage 27------Veteran moves
21:02.39[STC]_creeperz:-)
21:03.04Nukularsomeone sould right one
21:03.07[STC]_creeperzpage 1-----Getting a callsign that noone will laugh at
21:03.22[STC]_creeperzI might contribute to it if there is ever one
21:03.48Nukularpage 2------ keyboard or mouse, which one is right for you?
21:03.50[STC]_creeperzIn fact, I might start one later. Send it to Tim later this week, see what he thinks. Get it covered and bound
21:04.01[STC]_creeperzEXACTLY!
21:04.17[STC]_creeperzLearning with humor I think is the best approach
21:04.38[STC]_creeperzSomething that's funny and it sticks
21:04.39dougheckapage 1--------get lost
21:04.51[STC]_creeperzPage 4------When do I jump?
21:04.56[STC]_creeperz:->
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21:05.19[STC]_creeperzHeh, $10 says doughecka will start writing a book by the end of the day
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21:07.50Nukularhey, come on over to bzflag.rosemeyers.net:13000
21:10.41Nukularplease?
21:10.53dougheckanot me
21:10.57doughecka(said the pig)
21:11.40Noodleman_workdoughecka is a pig
21:11.51dougheckalittle red hen
21:12.18Noodleman_workdoughecka still reads nursery rhymes
21:12.33dougheckahah
21:12.36Noodleman_workhehe
21:12.56dougheckacaptain_proton: to put out the new bzflag?
21:14.05captain_protonnono
21:14.12captain_protonthe question is whether the world is ready for my server again
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21:15.10dougheckahey
21:16.09captain_protonanybody care for a quick go?
21:16.25Noodleman_workw00t, another spammer with testicular malletosis :-)
21:16.29captain_protonwe'll see how far my skill has degraded
21:17.01Noodleman_work*wham*
21:17.45Patlabor221make the chainsaw stop
21:19.52[STC]_creeperzcaptain_proton: What was your server?
21:20.07Noodleman_work[STC]_creeperz: bzflag.net
21:20.11[STC]_creeperzOhh
21:20.43[STC]_creeperzJeff: I STILL haven't received RH9.0 yet, or will it arrive later this week?
21:22.10[STC]_creeperzYippe, all episodes of TRIGUN downloaded except for #9 (last night's episode)
21:22.52captain_protonyou download video but won't download redhat?
21:23.48[STC]_creeperzHeh, cap: You always have a contraversy with me for the hell of it, don't yu?
21:24.14Patlabor221creeper I don't know when it will get there
21:24.18Patlabor221he has no burner cap
21:24.26Patlabor221it's US mail
21:24.42Noodleman_workhe's just a grumpy curmugeon, and we love him for it :-)
21:25.17captain_proton=)
21:25.26[STC]_creeperzNoodle: I'm just kinda tired of his crap :-/
21:25.34[STC]_creeperzPisses me off after a while
21:26.26captain_protonmmmmmm
21:26.28captain_protonsuch a good song
21:28.33captain_protonwelcome my son, welcome tooooooo the machine
21:40.27Noodleman_workwindoze just peed its pants
21:40.45Patlabor221you put it in depends?
21:40.47Noodleman_workgotta love the three-finger-salute
21:40.55Noodleman_workhehe
21:41.13Patlabor221yeah it's so very similar to how you kill X :)
21:41.25Noodleman_work:-)
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21:55.14Nukularplease come to slug.kcl.net:5155 for a very interesting map
21:55.37[STC]_creeperzMe?
21:55.44[STC]_creeperzI will
21:55.45Nukularanyone
21:58.56[STC]_creeperzServer is not up
21:59.27Nukularlook in the list
21:59.36[STC]_creeperz? Ok
21:59.42[STC]_creeperzI have...But I will again
22:01.19Nukularits up, me and another guy are here
22:02.16[STC]_creeperzOk, it's not in list
22:02.21[STC]_creeperzI enter manual
22:03.11[STC]_creeperzNo go
22:03.14[STC]_creeperz:/
22:03.18[STC]_creeperzAre you sure?
22:03.57Nukulartry slug.kc.net
22:04.13[STC]_creeperzOk :-)
22:04.29[STC]_creeperzHOW ABOUT kci?
22:04.37Nukularmaybe
22:04.40[STC]_creeperz:-)
22:04.42[STC]_creeperzIt's kci
22:04.49Nukularok
22:35.26[STC]_creeperzWell, I need to go outside and get some air
22:52.24Noodleman_workMOOmooMOOmooMOO
22:52.32Noodleman_work*MOO!*
22:56.44dougheckamy zaurus dont work
22:57.04Noodleman_workshouldn't have bought a broken one
22:57.06Noodleman_workhehe
22:57.17dougheckableh
22:57.20dougheckaits my CF card
22:58.09Noodleman_workwhat's CF?
22:58.16Noodleman_worki don't know much about PDAs
22:58.29dougheckacompact flash card
22:58.39doughecka:)
22:58.40Noodleman_workthe closest i've got to a PDA is a game boy advance sp :-)
22:58.49dougheckaYOU HAVE ONE OF THE<!?!?!
22:58.56dougheckano, dint think so
22:58.58Noodleman_workit's pretty neato
22:59.00dougheckaoh?
22:59.15Noodleman_workyou can't have it
22:59.18Noodleman_work:-P
22:59.20dougheckahuh
22:59.26dougheckaI dont like gameboys anyway
22:59.31dougheckamy zaurus can PLAY gamboy games
22:59.33Noodleman_workoh sure...
22:59.34Noodleman_work:-)
22:59.45Noodleman_workyou're just jealous...
22:59.48dougheckaalong with palm pilots and ataris and apple IIs
23:00.20Noodleman_workyeah, stella is a kewl program
23:00.35Noodleman_workis that the arari emulator on zaurus?
23:00.36dougheckaheh
23:00.40dougheckaumm
23:00.41dougheckadunno
23:00.58Noodleman_workit's the only linux atari emu i know of
23:09.44Nukularcome to slug.kci.net:5155
23:10.04Noodleman_worki would if it could, but i can't so i shan't :-)
23:10.13Nukularwhy?
23:10.33Noodleman_worktwo words -- wo, rk :-)
23:10.43Nukular2?
23:10.47Noodleman_workhehe
23:10.54Noodleman_workjust messing with ya
23:11.25Nukularremember, even if you win the rat race...
23:11.27dougheckamore like 4 words
23:11.36Nukularyour still a dzm rat
23:11.46dougheckaDMZ RAT!
23:12.03Noodleman_worki wanna be a firewalled rat
23:12.12Noodleman_worknot a DMZ rat, thank you
23:12.13dougheckaI want to be a fire rat
23:12.15Noodleman_work:-)
23:12.18dougheckahah
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23:15.30Noodleman_workr4tZ r00l!
23:15.45dougheckasuuure
23:15.49dougheckayou movin to KY?
23:16.10Noodleman_worki'm probably gunna be a hooooooosier
23:16.13Noodleman_work:-)
23:16.18dougheckanoooooo
23:16.21dougheckawhere abouts?
23:16.42Noodleman_workevansville, across the ohio from owensboro
23:16.50dougheckadrats
23:16.53doughecka:P
23:17.08Nukularcome to slug.kci.net:5155 to play pacman
23:17.27Noodleman_worki'm a working rat
23:17.29Noodleman_work:-)
23:19.56Noodleman_work$doughecka = 0xdeadbeef;
23:20.48dougheckahuh
23:23.34Noodleman_workperl, get to know it, love it, tattoo the entire text of the camel book on your backside
23:24.12dougheckahrm
23:24.18dougheckado you do that?>
23:24.24Noodleman_workyup
23:24.27Noodleman_workwanna see?
23:24.30Noodleman_work:-P
23:24.30dougheckaNO!
23:25.06Noodleman_worksomebody would have to have quite the derierre to be able to do that
23:25.19captain_protonwhee my memory shipped
23:25.33dougheckashouldnt you put it back?
23:25.55captain_protonbah
23:25.57captain_protonnoone on my server
23:25.59captain_protonall pansies
23:26.54Noodleman_workchunks a' blubba, chunks-a-chunks a' blubba!
23:26.58Patlabor221hmmm my vid card should be here by now
23:30.06captain_protonhmm
23:30.09captain_protonya know what i need
23:30.11captain_protonthe alice soundtrack
23:30.40Noodleman_workalice in wonderland? no soundtrack there as far as i know...
23:30.52captain_protonNoodleman_work: from the game
23:30.59Noodleman_workhehe
23:31.04captain_protonbecause that game had some damn good muzak =)
23:31.06Noodleman_workjust messing with ya
23:31.50Noodleman_worknone of the games i've ever played has the kind of music i like
23:32.00Noodleman_worki'm just weird
23:32.10Noodleman_workclassical, bluegrass, and weird al
23:32.12Noodleman_work:-)
23:32.18dougheckahrm
23:32.25dougheckaindeed
23:32.42captain_protonNoodleman_work: have you played alice?
23:34.48Patlabor221american mcGee's version?
23:35.05captain_protonPatlabor221: nod
23:35.27Patlabor221http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3
23:36.01captain_protonhahaha
23:36.32Patlabor221he's doing oz now
23:36.36Noodleman_workcaptain_proton: nope, never even heard of it
23:36.49captain_protonPatlabor221: yeah, they had an article about it in wired a couple years ago
23:36.55Noodleman_workflippin' spammers
23:37.05captain_protonNoodleman_work: it has a wonderfully dark story, until the happy ending
23:37.16Noodleman_worki could wring their credentials
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23:59.01Noodleman_worki've just discovered i have an inferiority complex
23:59.14Noodleman_workthey just told me i'm human
23:59.17captain_protonoh?
23:59.43Noodleman_workall these years i though i was an alien from the planet of vorticon VI

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