| 00:01.25 | *** join/#bzflag paul ([7UScfSU9o@hibernia.jakma.org) |
| 00:02.14 | *** join/#bzflag Rat (~Rat@dialup2-37.umkc.edu) |
| 00:02.50 | Patlabor221 | and when the power goes out, what do you do ? |
| 00:03.56 | doughecka | UPS |
| 00:03.56 | doughecka | :) |
| 00:04.21 | Rat | greetings room |
| 00:04.29 | doughecka | hello rat |
| 00:06.44 | Rat | anyone here good at making maps? |
| 00:06.50 | doughecka | ME! |
| 00:06.51 | doughecka | :P |
| 00:07.47 | Rat | I need the higth of the bullet off the ground and a good higth for buildings that can be jumped on to. |
| 00:08.31 | doughecka | hmm |
| 00:08.42 | doughecka | I dunno, jzaun had instrutions |
| 00:08.58 | Rat | i know but the site isn't up anymore |
| 00:10.47 | doughecka | hehe |
| 00:10.58 | doughecka | http://stats.bzflag.org/devel.php3 |
| 00:11.00 | doughecka | presto |
| 00:11.02 | doughecka | still up |
| 00:11.09 | doughecka | just the front page it blanked |
| 00:11.16 | Rat | hmm |
| 00:11.46 | doughecka | ho ho ho, I have no mic on my computer, but I can use the computers voice to make contacts in the UK |
| 00:12.01 | doughecka | sounds funny, but they can understand it slightly |
| 00:12.05 | Rat | try your link again |
| 00:12.15 | doughecka | take off the 3 |
| 00:12.33 | Rat | ok |
| 00:12.37 | doughecka | :) |
| 00:12.51 | doughecka | 73, doug out |
| 00:14.21 | Rat | is there any other places were i can get the stats of people logged onto bzflag |
| 00:14.30 | doughecka | hmm |
| 00:14.43 | doughecka | not the stats, but Mrapathycream has a java program |
| 00:14.46 | doughecka | sorta the same |
| 00:14.52 | doughecka | ~mac |
| 00:14.53 | | somebody said mac was the worlds best linux computer or the worlds fastest one too ;) or can run BZFLAGX very quickly. Mr.ApathyCream at http://www.chesco.com/~dbrosius/BZFlag/BZFlag.html |
| 00:14.56 | Rat | jzaun's place doesn't refresh itself anmore |
| 00:17.06 | TimRiker | The requested URL /devel.php3 was not found on this server. |
| 00:17.25 | doughecka | take off the 3 |
| 00:17.28 | doughecka | :) |
| 00:17.28 | TimRiker | ah http://stats.bzflag.org/devel.php |
| 00:19.13 | Rat | oh and is it possible to rotate a box along it's x and y axis? |
| 00:19.27 | doughecka | nope |
| 00:19.31 | doughecka | I wish it did |
| 00:19.35 | Rat | ya |
| 00:19.35 | doughecka | but it doesnt |
| 00:19.44 | doughecka | patches welcome |
| 00:19.47 | doughecka | :) |
| 00:19.52 | Rat | :) |
| 00:20.32 | Rat | hey time you think that that could be incorpurated into the game sometime? |
| 00:20.36 | Rat | *tim |
| 00:20.58 | TimRiker | perhaps. collision code would need big rewrites |
| 00:21.21 | Rat | just an idea |
| 00:22.17 | TimRiker | and a good one that's been had before. just a lot of work involved. |
| 00:22.35 | Rat | i'd be willing to help |
| 00:22.48 | Rat | if you need any |
| 00:24.05 | TimRiker | patches welcome. |
| 00:24.25 | Rat | ok I'll see what i can do |
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| 00:25.19 | trepan | Rat: would you also be able to drive up a tilted box? (like steps) |
| 00:26.38 | Rat | trepan: you mean something that looks like steps but acts like a slanted box |
| 00:27.14 | trepan | Rat: shouldn't have said "steps", would the tank tilt upwards to drive up a tilted box? |
| 00:27.15 | TimRiker | Jormungandr: did you have to install an smtp agent for mrtg? |
| 00:27.25 | TimRiker | er snmp... =) |
| 00:28.44 | TimRiker | er http://www.racer.nl/ |
| 00:28.48 | Rat | trepan: I was planning to but I will make tilted moxes that acted sortof like the pyramids |
| 00:29.16 | Rat | I would also like to mmake the tank tilt on pyramids too |
| 00:30.52 | *** part/#bzflag Rat (~Rat@dialup2-37.umkc.edu) |
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| 00:31.18 | Rat | oops |
| 00:34.54 | doughecka | TimRiker: racer looks neat, I played it once. |
| 00:36.37 | Rat | bye everyone |
| 00:36.40 | *** part/#bzflag Rat (~Rat@dialup2-37.umkc.edu) |
| 00:36.40 | doughecka | cya |
| 00:44.16 | TimRiker | doughecka: looks neat, but plays crappy. lots of potential, but the non-open license gets in the way. |
| 00:44.38 | doughecka | TimRiker: yea.. the cars act like your on ice |
| 01:07.32 | Noodleman | TimRiker: i found where i got that tank image |
| 01:07.41 | TimRikerDinner | Noodleman: hit me. |
| 01:07.48 | Noodleman | it says that there is no copyright |
| 01:07.59 | Noodleman | http://www.faceintel.com/intelvhamidi.htm |
| 01:08.35 | Noodleman | i'll just use that and make it look decent at hi-rez rather than retracing it |
| 01:09.35 | TimRikerDinner | Noodleman: nice, but too small. |
| 01:09.55 | Noodleman | i'll blow it up, and make it so that it looks good |
| 01:09.57 | Noodleman | you'll see :-) |
| 01:09.59 | doughecka | lol |
| 01:10.01 | TimRikerDinner | good luck scaling it, I should be possible, just not so easy. |
| 01:10.11 | Noodleman | gotcha |
| 01:10.19 | Noodleman | i know my game ;-) |
| 01:10.36 | TimRikerDinner | final can be gray scale and something like 1400x1800 would likely work. |
| 01:11.09 | TimRikerDinner | check the chart I emailed you for the dimensions they want. |
| 01:11.16 | TimRikerDinner | k, really eating now. |
| 01:12.30 | Noodleman | ok |
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| 01:53.11 | ak|ra | re |
| 01:59.58 | Patlabor221 | hmmm, anyone know if there is anyplace that keeps whois logs? |
| 02:00.04 | Patlabor221 | for domain names? |
| 02:00.18 | *** join/#bzflag doughecka (SteveJobs@216.135.68.133) |
| 02:00.18 | doughecka | greetings |
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| 02:25.05 | Noodleman | Patlabor221: whois logs? |
| 02:25.15 | Noodleman | what do you mean by that? |
| 02:25.25 | Patlabor221 | yes had a domain expire so it's not in whis anymore |
| 02:25.31 | Noodleman | ah |
| 02:25.37 | Noodleman | not that i know of |
| 02:25.40 | Patlabor221 | but we can't rememeber who it was geged too |
| 02:25.52 | Noodleman | they should stay in whois for a while, tho |
| 02:26.25 | Patlabor221 | naw whois says it's got nothin |
| 02:26.34 | Noodleman | weird |
| 02:26.40 | Noodleman | which registrar? |
| 02:26.47 | Patlabor221 | that's what we don't know |
| 02:26.53 | Noodleman | ah |
| 02:28.11 | Patlabor221 | hence our problem |
| 02:28.21 | Noodleman | gotcha |
| 02:28.32 | Noodleman | i don't know of any place like that |
| 02:31.17 | Patlabor221 | nor do I |
| 02:31.26 | Patlabor221 | ahhh well |
| 02:31.33 | Noodleman | good luck |
| 02:31.54 | Patlabor221 | well now one website sucssfuly moved to linux :) |
| 02:32.07 | Noodleman | kewl |
| 02:32.15 | Noodleman | which one? |
| 02:32.27 | Patlabor221 | one of the message boards I run |
| 02:32.34 | Noodleman | ah |
| 02:32.46 | Patlabor221 | http://fellomen.bakadigital.com/bb |
| 02:34.50 | Patlabor221 | well time to gets my behind home |
| 02:34.59 | Noodleman | ok |
| 02:35.09 | Noodleman | l8r |
| 02:48.24 | doughecka | http://heck.no-ip.com/phpBB2/index.php |
| 02:48.25 | doughecka | :P |
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| 06:44.07 | TimRiker | http://list.bzflag.org/ |
| 06:47.36 | MrApathyCream | how's dinner? ;) |
| 06:50.51 | TimRiker | fine. thoughts on the stats? |
| 06:50.53 | TimRiker | ~bzflist |
| 06:51.26 | MrApathyCream | stats? |
| 07:04.39 | TimRiker | http://list.bzflag.org/ |
| 07:04.43 | TimRiker | work in progress. |
| 07:04.58 | MrApathyCream | hey, nifty |
| 07:05.47 | MrApathyCream | legend? |
| 07:05.54 | MrApathyCream | (green/blue?) |
| 07:06.33 | MrApathyCream | in/out? |
| 07:07.12 | TimRiker | click on one. |
| 07:07.41 | MrApathyCream | ah, niftier |
| 07:09.20 | TimRiker | heh |
| 07:15.14 | MrApathyCream | did you get the bzflag survey email? |
| 07:18.35 | TimRiker | yeah, did they email that to all the developers? sheesh. |
| 07:18.42 | TimRiker | ~bzflist |
| 07:19.28 | *** topic/#bzflag by TimRiker -> Best Free Multiplayer Action Game http://happypenguin.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=549 || http://BZFlag.org/ || http://list.bzflag.org/ |
| 07:19.56 | MrApathyCream | think so |
| 07:20.05 | MrApathyCream | jeff and cap got it too |
| 07:21.03 | TimRiker | I did it. it was quick. |
| 07:21.16 | MrApathyCream | how did you rate the project lead? |
| 07:28.26 | TimRiker | he's an idiot. |
| 07:33.19 | TimRiker | ... observer default mode is now Driving with Winner ... |
| 07:34.45 | TimRiker | and it's whomever is alive and has the best score. |
| 07:35.14 | MrApathyCream | ;) |
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| 08:01.19 | tvon | ANy hashmark admins around? |
| 08:02.37 | tvon | If there are...this fellow 'Claw' (whom I've seen on turkey too) keeps insisting that his absurdly high jumping is a "feature" based on waht flag/map he has/is-on..... |
| 08:03.11 | tvon | had a "conversation" with him about it on turkey once...he is insistant......and while I thought he was ignorant for a while...now I just think he is full of sh1t |
| 08:03.20 | tvon | so....he could use a kicking |
| 08:03.56 | tvon | FYI |
| 08:03.57 | *** part/#bzflag tvon (~tvon@md-frdrck-cmts2a-a-53.shphwv.adelphia.net) |
| 08:25.19 | TimRiker | ~spell deciding |
| 08:25.21 | | 'deciding' may be spelled correctly |
| 09:01.21 | MrApathyCream | ..to release? |
| 09:03.05 | TimRiker | heh. not at the moment. |
| 09:03.35 | TimRiker | my server/player graph is flaky. =( |
| 09:38.47 | TimRiker | ah. betta. ;-) |
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| 10:21.04 | ak|ra | hi |
| 10:21.55 | TimRiker | ~bzflist |
| 10:22.18 | ak|ra | moin tim |
| 10:23.28 | TimRiker | ~bzflist |
| 10:23.37 | TimRiker | moin |
| 10:27.33 | TimRiker | ~bzfquery xmission.bzflag.org:5155 |
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| 10:40.53 | TimRiker | ~bzflist |
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| 10:46.23 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o TimRiker] by calvino.freenode.net |
| 11:13.54 | rooter | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:14.44 | rooter | Did chestal mention when it may be back up? |
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| 11:17.44 | *** join/#bzflag greg1 (~admin@greghub.net1.nerim.net) |
| 11:17.48 | greg1 | Hi |
| 11:18.13 | greg1 | Hi jraitala |
| 11:18.59 | jraitala | hello |
| 11:19.18 | greg1 | jraitala : do you know why ducati is down ? |
| 11:19.41 | rooter | and when it will be back up? |
| 11:19.42 | jraitala | no |
| 11:19.53 | rooter | i'm going through withdrawal |
| 11:20.27 | greg1 | mmmmh I saw it was down yesterday but I thought it would be up today |
| 11:21.00 | rooter | Chestal quit #BZFLAG just before I got on :( |
| 11:23.23 | [dmp] | Ducati's fileserver is down |
| 11:23.30 | [dmp] | broker yesterday night |
| 11:23.43 | [dmp] | (CET/UTC) |
| 11:23.47 | rooter | that sucks |
| 11:24.12 | [dmp] | I dont think chestal can do anything about it, so we're waiting for some admin to fix it. |
| 11:24.14 | [dmp] | yeah |
| 11:24.41 | [dmp] | or "CTF". as nobody didnt really care for the coloured flags. |
| 11:24.51 | rooter | Is there ducati clone up anywhere? |
| 11:25.06 | rooter | I could start one? |
| 11:25.20 | [dmp] | rosemeyers have on, i think. |
| 11:25.28 | rooter | want to go? |
| 11:25.30 | [dmp] | but i havnt found any server with people on 'em. |
| 11:26.13 | rooter | well, i'll be at rosemeyers if anybody wants to play |
| 11:41.02 | *** join/#bzflag metal_magic (magic@e118.brno.mistral.cz) |
| 11:41.09 | metal_magic | hello |
| 11:41.18 | metal_magic | ducati is still down? :-( |
| 11:41.30 | rooter | yep :( |
| 11:41.32 | greg1 | yes |
| 11:41.43 | rooter | rosemeyers is up... want to play there? |
| 11:50.10 | *** join/#bzflag Chestal (thilo@paranuss.informatik.Uni-Siegen.DE) |
| 11:50.10 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o Chestal] by ChanServ |
| 11:50.28 | rooter | Hey Chestal! |
| 11:50.47 | Chestal | hi |
| 11:50.54 | rooter | Chestal: I'm going through ducati withdrawal |
| 11:52.10 | Chestal | file server is still down, people couldn't resurrect it so far |
| 11:52.29 | Chestal | and I have to use an unconfigures irc client now |
| 11:53.31 | rooter | ugh... sorry about that... I hate it when my machine isn't setup to my specs |
| 11:53.35 | greg1 | chestal : anyway we can help ? |
| 11:54.01 | metal_magic | ches, how much bandwidth do I need to run bzfs? |
| 11:54.37 | rooter | I could start a ducati clone |
| 11:54.45 | greg1 | metal : is depends on how many people is playing... |
| 11:54.58 | Chestal | no, unless you'd happen to have a CPU module for this AIX Power machine |
| 11:54.58 | Chestal | metal: depends on a lot of factors |
| 11:55.11 | metal_magic | and what should I enable on the firewall? |
| 11:55.23 | metal_magic | 5155/TCP and 5155/UDP? |
| 11:55.39 | greg1 | and 5154 also I think... |
| 11:56.07 | *** join/#bzflag bomber (~bomber@ap97.physik.uni-frankfurt.de) |
| 11:56.10 | bomber | moin |
| 11:56.22 | rooter | I started a ducati clone at webguy.westga.edu |
| 11:56.26 | rooter | hello Bomber! |
| 11:56.32 | ak|ra | moin you 2 |
| 11:56.34 | bomber | hi rooter |
| 11:56.53 | Chestal | metal: check http://www.home.unix-ag.org/thilo/bzflag/ducati/ for ducati traffic stats |
| 11:56.54 | rooter | it's in the US so there will be a lag for you forieners :) |
| 11:57.07 | bomber | :o) |
| 11:57.20 | Chestal | metal: when you use -p 5155 -pr 5156, open 5155 and 5156 for TCP and 5155 for UDP |
| 11:57.32 | Chestal | hi akira |
| 11:57.46 | greg1 | metal_magic : you'll find all infos you need at : http://www.shellshock.dutchrai.com/references-hostsrv1.htm |
| 11:57.49 | ak|ra | hi chest |
| 11:57.54 | metal_magic | i do not use -p nor -pr, these values are implicit, i guess |
| 11:59.16 | bomber | cmon rooter...lets play on your clone |
| 11:59.20 | rooter | OK |
| 12:00.50 | metal_magic | i have: |
| 12:00.52 | metal_magic | /usr/games/bzfs -admsg "*** This is really temporary server, while ducati is down. Unfortunately I have a slow connection, so you may be laggy here. ***" -b -cr -h -lagdrop 4 -lagwarn 300 -mo 4 -mp 0,4,4,0,0 -ms 2 -passwd mypass -public "Temporary Ducati CTF style server" +r -requireudp -srvmsg "*** Welcome to Metal Magic's server. Welcome to Czech Republic. I have a slow connection, so you may be laggy here. ***" |
| 12:01.11 | metal_magic | and open 5155, 5156 TCP and 5155/UDP |
| 12:01.26 | metal_magic | and I still cannot see myself on the bzflist :-( |
| 12:02.26 | Chestal | try adding a couple -d flags, makes serevr more verbose |
| 12:02.37 | bomber | rooter? |
| 12:03.21 | Chestal | what is your server's name/address? |
| 12:04.14 | metal_magic | try e118.brno.mistral.cz, please |
| 12:04.30 | Chestal | bzfquery can connect |
| 12:04.40 | Chestal | add -d -d and see what happens when you start it up |
| 12:05.18 | Chestal | I think it should say somethign about contactign the list server, and you should see a connection attempt from the list server IP |
| 12:05.22 | metal_magic | style: 21 |
| 12:05.22 | metal_magic | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:05.22 | metal_magic | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:05.22 | metal_magic | listening on 0.0.0.0:5155 |
| 12:05.58 | Chestal | try -d -d -d |
| 12:06.00 | metal_magic | do you know the IP adress of the list server, so I can watch it with tcpdump? |
| 12:06.31 | metal_magic | Setup: Server requires (UDP) clients! |
| 12:06.36 | metal_magic | ADD 0.0.0.0 6 BZFS107e 0021000c0002000000000000000000000000000400040000000000000000000000000000 Temporary Ducati CTF style server |
| 12:06.37 | Chestal | try something else first, try triple-d and maybe -publicaddr e118.brno.mistral.cz |
| 12:06.59 | Chestal | ADD 0.0.0.0 6 BZFS107e |
| 12:07.01 | Chestal | loosk wrong |
| 12:07.13 | Chestal | it didn't get your hostname right, use -publciaddr |
| 12:08.58 | metal_magic | shall it be, because I have dynamic IP address? |
| 12:09.12 | metal_magic | ADD e118.brno.mistral.cz 6 BZFS107e 0021000c0002000000000000000000000000000400040000000000000000000000000000 Temporary Ducati CTF style server |
| 12:09.17 | metal_magic | accept() from 204.228.134.186:51292 on 7 |
| 12:09.27 | metal_magic | this looks better, doesn't it? :-) |
| 12:09.57 | Chestal | yep |
| 12:10.03 | metal_magic | it seems to work |
| 12:10.11 | metal_magic | thank you very much, ches |
| 12:10.51 | Chestal | time for an earl grey |
| 12:10.51 | metal_magic | now, i will have a look, how it is with the bandwidth |
| 12:10.58 | metal_magic | cu for now |
| 12:11.05 | Chestal | cu metal |
| 12:17.45 | ak|ra | Chestal: me is an earl greyer too |
| 12:18.11 | ak|ra | i setup the 1.5 litre at once :) |
| 12:21.45 | metal_magic | hm |
| 12:21.53 | metal_magic | not working fine :-( |
| 12:22.34 | metal_magic | I could not see a friend i tried to play with |
| 12:22.48 | metal_magic | but I was able to kill him |
| 12:23.08 | metal_magic | he saw me, but was unable to kill me |
| 12:23.14 | metal_magic | capturing worked fine |
| 12:23.26 | metal_magic | any suggestions? |
| 12:23.35 | Chestal | check /idlestats to see whether server sees UDP packets of your friend |
| 12:24.00 | Chestal | if it doesn't it will show him as idle although he is driving around |
| 12:24.17 | metal_magic | server writes: |
| 12:24.22 | metal_magic | accept() from 147.251.50.237:32804 on 7 |
| 12:24.23 | metal_magic | Player Plchy [0] has joined |
| 12:24.23 | metal_magic | SETNUM e118.brno.mistral.cz 0 0 1 0 0 |
| 12:24.33 | metal_magic | UDP link created, remote 17200 93fb32ed, local 5155 |
| 12:24.34 | metal_magic | STATUS: Up UDP CON received |
| 12:25.11 | metal_magic | it looks good, doesn't it? |
| 12:25.22 | metal_magic | i'll try that /idlestats |
| 12:25.24 | Chestal | hmm, my server says something like this: |
| 12:25.31 | Chestal | Player mr_jim [0] has joined from 128.174.164.186:55690 on 7 |
| 12:25.31 | Chestal | Player mr_jim [0] uread() exact udp up 128.174.164.186:17200 |
| 12:26.10 | metal_magic | uread() exact udp up for player 1 62.245.100.118:17200 |
| 12:26.17 | metal_magic | only for me |
| 12:26.20 | metal_magic | :-( |
| 12:26.33 | metal_magic | this is probably the problem |
| 12:26.35 | Chestal | looks like the UDP packets from Plchy don't reach the server |
| 12:27.17 | metal_magic | Feb 18 13:10:59 localhost kernel: INPUT drop: IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=00:08:a1:34:55:c5:00:07:eb:d5:76:00:08:00 SRC=147.251.50.237 DST=62.245.100.118 LEN=84 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=55 ID=0 DF PROTO=UDP SPT=17200 DPT=5155 LEN=64 |
| 12:27.19 | metal_magic | grr! |
| 12:28.16 | metal_magic | the problem is, that I am unable to write 5155 :-( |
| 12:28.32 | metal_magic | it shall be fine, now |
| 12:28.37 | metal_magic | i'll try it again |
| 12:51.15 | Jormungandr | anyone know what port windows terminal services uses? |
| 12:52.18 | metal_magic | the bandwidth usage is very low (for bzfs) |
| 12:52.39 | Jormungandr | the bandwidth goes up with the number of shots. |
| 12:52.42 | metal_magic | it is something between 3 and 12 Kbytes |
| 12:53.27 | metal_magic | it seems to consume much more upstream than down stream |
| 12:53.45 | Chestal | yes, upstream is higher |
| 12:53.46 | metal_magic | wow |
| 12:53.51 | metal_magic | what is this? |
| 12:53.53 | metal_magic | uread() discard packet! 195.191.18.88:16514 choices p(l) h:p 0(1) 147.251.50.237:17200 2(1) 194.152.216.199:11016 4(1) 194.152.216.199:11008 |
| 12:53.59 | Chestal | approx.: upstream = #players * downstream |
| 12:54.30 | metal_magic | i have 12 Kbytes upstream |
| 12:54.34 | Chestal | and downstream = magic_constant * #players |
| 12:55.08 | Chestal | looks liek some player was removed from the server, but is still sending UDP packets |
| 12:56.00 | metal_magic | it is probably this one: |
| 12:56.01 | metal_magic | *** Player MAX [1] was lag-kicked |
| 12:56.14 | metal_magic | was kicked, but still sending packets |
| 13:20.35 | Jormungandr | now to figure out how to get mrtg to graph non-smnp data :) |
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| 13:35.59 | Chestal | ducati up for now |
| 13:40.16 | Jormungandr | yay |
| 13:40.18 | Jormungandr | congrats |
| 13:40.29 | Jormungandr | I wish I could play from work :) |
| 13:41.07 | Chestal | I only play at work :-) |
| 13:42.16 | Jormungandr | heh |
| 13:42.16 | rooter | me too... it makes the day go by so fast |
| 13:42.36 | Jormungandr | we don't have opengl installed at work... they do that on purpose. |
| 13:42.53 | Jormungandr | no agpgart for me. |
| 13:42.56 | rooter | and i feel so productive... like just the other day... "I finally killed Chestal once" |
| 13:43.02 | Jormungandr | hahahahahaha |
| 13:43.27 | Chestal | too bad that the penguins didn't win yesterday's match |
| 13:44.25 | rooter | true... it is sad |
| 13:44.48 | rooter | we seem to always play ZeeBrothers or Moles |
| 13:45.17 | rooter | we need to build some team skills |
| 13:45.30 | Jormungandr | that's always a challenge, but fun. |
| 13:45.59 | Jormungandr | fortunately, when I play on a team, all the team members are in the same room, so we can talk back and forth, rather than m |
| 13:46.00 | rooter | if it were two bombers we could have won:) |
| 13:46.59 | ak|ra | hehe |
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| 14:03.56 | Toto | Hello |
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| 14:04.48 | bruno | Hello |
| 14:04.58 | bruno | Can I ask a question ? |
| 14:05.56 | Chestal | that was a question already ;-) |
| 14:06.05 | bruno | :-) |
| 14:06.10 | bruno | Are you bzflag fan ? |
| 14:06.25 | bruno | Maybe you can solve a problem ? |
| 14:06.25 | Chestal | I'm more like an addict |
| 14:06.49 | Chestal | just ask |
| 14:06.53 | bruno | I'm with KDE : when I have 1024x768 resolution, bzflag start |
| 14:07.14 | bruno | but when I have the 1280x960, there is a segmentatioin fault |
| 14:07.24 | Chestal | uhm, strange |
| 14:07.39 | bruno | and I would like not to change the resolution each time i want toplay bzflag ;-) |
| 14:07.58 | bruno | I tried to install the last Mesa libraries (5.0.3) but nothing changed |
| 14:08.00 | Chestal | never seen something like this |
| 14:08.01 | bruno | any idea ? |
| 14:08.15 | Chestal | software rendering or accelerated? |
| 14:08.21 | bruno | how can I know ? |
| 14:08.33 | Chestal | you might also try -window with different -geometry wxh settings, might give some insights |
| 14:08.38 | bruno | (sorry for my english but i'm french) |
| 14:08.40 | Chestal | glxinfo |
| 14:08.40 | bruno | i tr |
| 14:08.43 | bruno | wait a minute |
| 14:09.12 | Chestal | will probably be busy in a few minutes |
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| 14:24.34 | toto | Chestal ? |
| 14:26.41 | Chestal | aua |
| 14:27.05 | toto | ah |
| 14:27.08 | toto | i bugged |
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| 14:27.38 | toto | when i started glxinfo |
| 14:28.05 | Chestal | does it say direct rendering: No or yes? |
| 14:28.07 | Chestal | hi MAC |
| 14:28.11 | toto | uh |
| 14:28.20 | MrApathyCream | heya |
| 14:28.30 | toto | I re-try |
| 14:28.43 | toto | Direct Rendering : YES |
| 14:28.53 | toto | And it ends with a segmentation fault too |
| 14:28.59 | Chestal | uhm |
| 14:29.08 | Chestal | looks like one of your libs is hosed or something |
| 14:29.11 | toto | glu version 1.3 |
| 14:29.30 | toto | I re-installed them ten minutes ago |
| 14:29.43 | toto | and it works well under 1024x768 |
| 14:30.18 | Chestal | maybe it's a problem of your X driver, don't know |
| 14:30.26 | toto | no idea ? |
| 14:30.27 | toto | snif |
| 14:30.29 | toto | :'( |
| 14:30.39 | Chestal | obviously, it is not bzflag related |
| 14:30.45 | toto | yes i think |
| 14:30.56 | toto | it is probabley opengl related |
| 14:31.34 | Chestal | does glxgears crash, too? |
| 14:31.49 | toto | Oh yes |
| 14:31.56 | toto | GL User Error: calling glVertex3f(1.05172, -0.764121, 0.25); without a current context |
| 14:32.40 | toto | For bzflag, I have errors like this but with "GL User Error: calling glViewport(0, 0, 1280, 960); without a current context" |
| 14:32.44 | toto | idea ? |
| 14:32.46 | Chestal | which video card is that? |
| 14:32.54 | toto | Voodoo 3 - 2000 |
| 14:32.57 | toto | 8Mo RAM |
| 14:33.07 | Jormungandr | is the agpgart loading in kernel? |
| 14:33.12 | toto | ups ? |
| 14:33.18 | toto | how can i know ? |
| 14:33.21 | Chestal | 8MB of RAM might not be sufficient at that resolution, it should know that, though |
| 14:33.33 | Jormungandr | do a lsmod as root |
| 14:33.37 | toto | yes but at 1280 1024 it works but slow |
| 14:34.05 | doughecka | wheres dorithy? |
| 14:34.11 | Jormungandr | hi doug |
| 14:34.15 | Chestal | do you run 24 or 16 bit colour depth? |
| 14:34.15 | toto | lsmod : "agpgart 31840 0 (autoclean) (unused)" |
| 14:34.22 | toto | 16 bit |
| 14:34.28 | toto | lsmod : "agpgart 31840 0 (autoclean) (unused)" |
| 14:34.31 | doughecka | greetings and salutations Jormungandr and all the people in the current channel |
| 14:34.32 | Jormungandr | hrm |
| 14:34.38 | toto | hi |
| 14:34.45 | Jormungandr | was it working before? |
| 14:35.06 | toto | yes, only one time and very slow |
| 14:35.15 | toto | but now it crashes always |
| 14:35.18 | doughecka | lol |
| 14:35.36 | doughecka | get. a. new. video. card. ;) |
| 14:35.44 | toto | :-( |
| 14:36.00 | doughecka | there cheap |
| 14:36.03 | toto | no |
| 14:36.03 | Jormungandr | grep glx /etc/X11/XF86Config |
| 14:36.20 | toto | nothing |
| 14:36.25 | Jormungandr | that's the problem. |
| 14:36.31 | doughecka | 29 bucks for a perect bzflag video card? |
| 14:36.34 | Chestal | toto: you could check /var/log/XFree86.0.log and see if it detects the amount of video RAM correctly |
| 14:36.38 | Jormungandr | your xwindows isn't loading the extensions for glx |
| 14:36.55 | toto | why does it work with 1024x768? |
| 14:37.08 | Chestal | hmm, glxinfo shouldn't say 'direct rendering: yes' in this case, however |
| 14:37.15 | Jormungandr | add Load "glx" to the Section "Modules" |
| 14:37.20 | Chestal | it should revert to software rendering |
| 14:37.20 | doughecka | also make sure your typing in 8000, not 8 :) |
| 14:37.27 | toto | wait a minute |
| 14:37.27 | Jormungandr | true, chestal |
| 14:38.01 | Chestal | you can also try to set env var GLX_ALWAYS_INDIRECT, shoudl enforce software rendering |
| 14:38.42 | toto | in XFree...log where can I find the amount of RAm ? the file's very big |
| 14:39.07 | Chestal | it's hidden there somewhere :-) |
| 14:39.26 | toto | uh ! i found this : |
| 14:39.29 | toto | (II) LoadModule: "glx" |
| 14:39.29 | toto | (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libglx.a |
| 14:39.29 | toto | (II) Module glx: vendor="The XFree86 Project" |
| 14:39.30 | toto | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:39.30 | toto | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:39.31 | toto | (II) Loading sub module "GLcore" |
| 14:39.43 | Jormungandr | ah.. so it is loading |
| 14:40.57 | toto | GLX_ALWAYS_INDIRECT doesn't change anything |
| 14:41.33 | toto | The error really seems to be there "GL User Error: calling glViewport(0, 0, 1280, 960); without a current context" (when I launch OpenGL games, and the var MESA_DEBUG is set) |
| 14:41.59 | Jormungandr | what dist is this, toto? |
| 14:42.31 | toto | i don't understand "dist" ? Sorry, i'm french, young and do not speak english VERY well... |
| 14:42.56 | toto | distribution ? |
| 14:42.58 | Jormungandr | nod |
| 14:43.03 | toto | Mandrake 9.0 |
| 14:43.05 | Jormungandr | what version of linux |
| 14:43.05 | Jormungandr | ah |
| 14:44.12 | toto | when i start bzflag, it says first and foremost : "Loading required GL library /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2" |
| 14:44.23 | toto | and then "MMX cpu detected" |
| 14:45.33 | toto | ideas ? |
| 14:45.55 | Jormungandr | I'm thinking about it. I can't think of anything offhand. |
| 14:46.09 | toto | ok |
| 14:46.26 | Jormungandr | I'm new to the glx scene. |
| 14:46.34 | toto | and me ! :-) |
| 14:46.38 | Jormungandr | had not played with it prior to bzflag |
| 14:46.51 | toto | okay |
| 14:47.39 | toto | i seeked on the net for this but not many solutions :-( |
| 14:48.16 | Jormungandr | did you check for new xfree drivers on your card vendor's website? |
| 14:48.27 | toto | i try ok |
| 14:54.47 | toto | If founded XFree86-glide-module dated back to Feb 10th |
| 14:55.13 | Jormungandr | hrm. that might work. |
| 14:57.10 | toto | sorry |
| 14:57.11 | toto | i found |
| 14:57.44 | toto | i have to update my xfree to 4.0.3 |
| 14:58.02 | Jormungandr | ah |
| 14:58.04 | Jormungandr | :( |
| 14:58.07 | toto | why ? |
| 14:58.12 | toto | is it dangerous ? |
| 14:58.32 | Jormungandr | not dangerous.. just time consuming sometimes. |
| 14:58.38 | toto | oki |
| 14:59.17 | toto | why is it time consuming ? difficulties ? |
| 15:01.53 | Jormungandr | hey doug? |
| 15:02.10 | Jormungandr | toto, how are you going to upgrade? does mandrake have an rpm? |
| 15:02.24 | Jormungandr | if there is already made package, it'll be easier. |
| 15:02.44 | toto | there are several rpms |
| 15:03.01 | toto | but i dont think i have to upgrade : look 2. 3Dfx |
| 15:03.01 | toto | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:03.02 | toto | 3.3.6: |
| 15:03.02 | toto | Support (including acceleration) for Voodoo Banshee and Voodoo 3. Support is provided by the XF86_SVGA server with the tdfx driver). |
| 15:06.08 | Jormungandr | I don't doubt that it support it, but it obviously is not working correctly for whatever reason. |
| 15:19.09 | toto | i'm downloading all that stuff but it is large ;-) |
| 15:23.18 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 15:26.31 | toto | think i have all |
| 15:26.39 | toto | i log off, to install it |
| 15:26.47 | toto | if i'm not back, you know why ;-) |
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| 15:41.13 | doughecka | yo pat |
| 15:41.21 | doughecka | huh |
| 15:47.58 | Jormungandr | doug. |
| 15:48.22 | Jormungandr | how did you set ibot to respond to ~dragon and ~secretplace again? |
| 15:48.31 | doughecka | ~literal secretplace |
| 15:48.32 | | secretplace is <reply> see bzfquery bzflag.secretplace.us:5155 |
| 15:48.34 | doughecka | :) |
| 15:48.51 | Jormungandr | cool... thanks :) |
| 15:48.56 | doughecka | np |
| 15:54.55 | Jormungandr | my blootie is very happy |
| 15:55.02 | doughecka | lol |
| 15:55.11 | doughecka | tell it to tell ibot about something |
| 15:55.11 | doughecka | ;) |
| 15:55.37 | Jormungandr | it's not on this network :) |
| 15:55.43 | doughecka | hah :) |
| 15:55.52 | Jormungandr | irc.dragon.org :) |
| 15:55.57 | Jormungandr | opennet |
| 16:02.28 | MrApathyCream | 'nutter snow day! woowoo |
| 16:02.34 | Jormungandr | yay |
| 16:02.35 | MrApathyCream | no coal mines today |
| 16:02.39 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 16:02.51 | Jormungandr | coal mines? |
| 16:03.03 | MrApathyCream | my advertised occupation |
| 16:03.09 | Jormungandr | ah |
| 16:03.15 | Jormungandr | do you enjoy it? |
| 16:03.34 | MrApathyCream | the fresh air is nice |
| 16:03.53 | Jormungandr | I learned more than I ever knew after all the stuff with the miners this year. |
| 16:04.30 | hardwire | like how to skin a rat in a dark corner? |
| 16:05.37 | Jormungandr | :-P |
| 16:08.04 | doughecka | lol |
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| 16:09.40 | [TeA|TrEE] | hola :) |
| 16:09.52 | [TeA|TrEE] | hola |
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| 16:38.47 | doughecka | woo, I got my callsign |
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| 17:08.25 | Cell | lo |
| 17:08.56 | Cell | uno question: Whats your favorite song from Elton John plz? |
| 17:09.20 | Jormungandr | Healing Hands :) |
| 17:09.28 | Chestal | grmpf |
| 17:09.31 | Jormungandr | ? |
| 17:09.55 | Chestal | using Java for the first time since whenever, code from a co worker and a student |
| 17:10.04 | Jormungandr | ah |
| 17:10.06 | Chestal | 3 different JRE: IBM 1.3, Sun 1.3 and Sun 1.4 |
| 17:10.16 | Jormungandr | sounds like no fun |
| 17:10.27 | Chestal | with IBM, it hangs on fast machines, Sun 1.3 gives wrogn results and 1.4 seems to work |
| 17:10.35 | Chestal | write once, debug everywhere |
| 17:10.40 | Cell | i like: This train dont stop there anymore |
| 17:11.13 | Jormungandr | true, chestal |
| 17:11.27 | Chestal | I guess there is a chance that the code contains some errors, but still |
| 17:11.40 | Chestal | the hang on fast machines could be some sort of race condition in the code |
| 17:11.55 | Chestal | although I don't think it's explicitly multithreaded, but I don't know for sure |
| 17:11.56 | Cell | Chestal: i planned to port my tooth editor from c# to java, i finally like java very much |
| 17:12.06 | Jormungandr | nod.. also, different jre can be an issue, too. |
| 17:12.25 | Chestal | IBM's is much faster than HotSpot with this code |
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| 17:12.36 | Jormungandr | really? that's neat. |
| 17:12.41 | Jormungandr | hi TimRiker |
| 17:12.49 | Chestal | and 1.4.1 HotSpot is a little faster than 1.3 |
| 17:14.17 | Jormungandr | I wish I could code. I need to get serious about learning some programming. I can muddle through simple perl, and am great at shell scripting. |
| 17:14.22 | Chestal | well, either at least 2 of the 3 JRE are buggy or the code is at fault |
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| 17:14.47 | Chestal | hmm, the redhat machine has Kaffe Java Version 1.1, ugh |
| 17:14.57 | Chestal | how do I get 1.3 or 1.4 JRE on a redhat machine? |
| 17:15.16 | Jormungandr | prolly download from java.sun.com |
| 17:15.26 | Jormungandr | I think that's what I did. |
| 17:15.29 | Chestal | hmm |
| 17:15.38 | Chestal | I don't liek to downlaod from Sun, always have to fill out a zillion forms |
| 17:15.46 | Cell | no |
| 17:15.51 | Jormungandr | I don't remember filling a form |
| 17:15.57 | Cell | nothing to fill |
| 17:16.05 | Chestal | uh? must be new |
| 17:16.11 | Cell | no |
| 17:16.48 | Chestal | I gues I want J2SE? |
| 17:16.52 | Jormungandr | yes |
| 17:18.13 | Chestal | hmm, RPM or not RPM, that is the question |
| 17:18.20 | Jormungandr | RPM |
| 17:18.27 | Jormungandr | if it's redhat |
| 17:18.39 | Jormungandr | more likely to install and work out of the box. |
| 17:18.41 | Chestal | hmm, JRE and SDK, what's the big difference? |
| 17:18.55 | Jormungandr | JRE you shouldn't need SDK |
| 17:19.07 | Cell | Java Runtime has no compiler and dev stuuf |
| 17:19.12 | Chestal | I want javac |
| 17:19.16 | Jormungandr | hrm. |
| 17:19.20 | Cell | then you nee the sdk |
| 17:19.27 | Chestal | does SDK include JRE? |
| 17:19.29 | Jormungandr | yeah |
| 17:19.33 | Cell | no |
| 17:19.36 | Jormungandr | not sure |
| 17:19.42 | Cell | you need both |
| 17:19.43 | Jormungandr | so both? |
| 17:19.52 | Chestal | big ugly license agreement |
| 17:19.56 | Chestal | 'automatic updated' |
| 17:20.44 | Chestal | wow, 1.4 is about 80MB |
| 17:21.00 | Jormungandr | wow.. that's huge. |
| 17:21.03 | Jormungandr | brb... |
| 17:21.06 | Chestal | I remember when Java fit on two 1.44MB floppy discs, SDK includes |
| 17:21.06 | hardwire | gimungus! |
| 17:21.07 | Cell | yes its the sdk with all the sources |
| 17:22.43 | Cell | of the framework classes that are almost the same as in c# |
| 17:23.16 | Chestal | hm, I don't need no sources, but it doesn't matter |
| 17:23.48 | Cell | oh the sources have inline comments, so they support intelli sense |
| 17:24.14 | Cell | that gives you better support when coding |
| 17:24.52 | Chestal | I don't code Java, I just want to compile and run it |
| 17:24.59 | Cell | :) |
| 17:25.07 | Cell | a pitty |
| 17:25.55 | Patlabor221 | anyone here know much about CGI and HTML? |
| 17:26.07 | Cell | me |
| 17:26.19 | Patlabor221 | on non windows platforms? |
| 17:26.26 | Cell | i have a cgi board omy site |
| 17:26.43 | Patlabor221 | can I make a CGI that returns a table then imbed that table in HTML? |
| 17:26.53 | Cell | sure |
| 17:27.02 | Patlabor221 | how? |
| 17:27.10 | Patlabor221 | and what is the imbed tag? |
| 17:27.27 | Cell | you just output it all as strings |
| 17:27.53 | Cell | to the cgi standard out |
| 17:28.01 | Chestal | Java is ok, but really nothing to get excited about |
| 17:28.07 | Patlabor221 | I asume I can make a pearl CGI that reads a file and then dumps it out? |
| 17:28.16 | Cell | yes |
| 17:28.35 | Patlabor221 | and what do I put in the HTML to call the cgi? |
| 17:29.13 | Cell | look here: http://cgi.resourceindex.com/ |
| 17:29.35 | Chestal | Patlabor: you can do this with SSI, when its enabled |
| 17:29.41 | Patlabor221 | SSI? |
| 17:29.42 | Cell | they should have what you need |
| 17:29.47 | Chestal | server side includes |
| 17:30.04 | Patlabor221 | sadly I don't have that since it's in a PHPBB |
| 17:30.10 | Chestal | assuming you have .html where you want to include dynamic content at one place |
| 17:30.26 | Patlabor221 | I have a post on a message board |
| 17:30.33 | Chestal | PHP can probablyh do it, too, never worked with it |
| 17:30.51 | Patlabor221 | well I was hopefully tring to NOT edit the php for th board |
| 17:30.58 | Patlabor221 | I want a post with a table in it. |
| 17:31.15 | Patlabor221 | but the HTML parser in the board does some wacky stuff to it |
| 17:31.24 | Patlabor221 | so I was trying to see if I could get it to read an external file. |
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| 17:31.56 | Chestal | grmpf, useless selfextractign archive with more license warnings |
| 17:32.02 | Cell | Patlabor221:why don u use a bulletin board? |
| 17:32.17 | Patlabor221 | CELL it is in a bulleten board |
| 17:32.29 | Patlabor221 | it's a post in a PHPBB |
| 17:32.35 | [TeA|TrEE] | hello |
| 17:35.30 | Chestal | ui, 139MB of java |
| 17:35.33 | Cell | Patlabor221: my cgi-board is for free: http://home.in.tum.de/~edelstei/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl |
| 17:36.18 | Cell | and i customized it |
| 17:36.41 | doughecka | PHPBB is free |
| 17:36.55 | Cell | yabboard too |
| 17:37.05 | Patlabor221 | I'm not changing my board man |
| 17:37.07 | doughecka | PHPBB looks better |
| 17:37.12 | doughecka | faster |
| 17:37.16 | doughecka | easyer |
| 17:37.18 | Patlabor221 | I would still have to change that board |
| 17:37.18 | Cell | doughecka:sure? |
| 17:37.23 | doughecka | even more fun |
| 17:37.30 | doughecka | yup |
| 17:37.31 | Patlabor221 | I could cusomisethe phpbb |
| 17:37.32 | Cell | i take alook |
| 17:37.40 | Patlabor221 | cell is it pearl cgi or what? |
| 17:37.40 | doughecka | heck.no-ip.com |
| 17:37.49 | doughecka | click on phpbb |
| 17:37.53 | Cell | perl yes |
| 17:38.01 | Patlabor221 | then it's about the same speed as php |
| 17:38.17 | Cell | should be |
| 17:38.22 | Patlabor221 | the thing is I don't want to cusomise the board for one post |
| 17:38.53 | Patlabor221 | I'll just have to pull all the crs from the html I paste in. |
| 17:38.59 | doughecka | exept it uses mysql for the database\ |
| 17:39.15 | Patlabor221 | his or phppp? |
| 17:39.27 | doughecka | phpbb |
| 17:39.41 | Patlabor221 | I'll bet his uses a database too |
| 17:39.46 | Cell | my uses text files |
| 17:39.52 | Patlabor221 | eww |
| 17:39.55 | Patlabor221 | I'm sorry |
| 17:39.56 | doughecka | ick |
| 17:40.07 | Cell | but can use a my sql too i u have it |
| 17:40.13 | Cell | optional |
| 17:40.18 | doughecka | ah |
| 17:40.21 | doughecka | mysql is free |
| 17:40.27 | Cell | i know |
| 17:40.28 | Patlabor221 | so are text files |
| 17:40.31 | doughecka | lol |
| 17:40.35 | Cell | but you have to be admin |
| 17:40.38 | doughecka | mysql is faster and free |
| 17:40.45 | doughecka | bah |
| 17:40.46 | doughecka | :) |
| 17:40.47 | Patlabor221 | doug you don't know that |
| 17:40.48 | hardwire | sqlite :) |
| 17:40.49 | Patlabor221 | so don't say it |
| 17:40.59 | hardwire | gadfly :) |
| 17:41.01 | Patlabor221 | you don't know that they don't have a lightning fast database parser |
| 17:41.07 | doughecka | hardwire: heh |
| 17:41.14 | doughecka | Patlabor221: uh huh |
| 17:41.17 | Jormungandr | hrm |
| 17:41.26 | Patlabor221 | just cus it's the current thing you like does not make it the BEST thing ever. |
| 17:41.29 | hardwire | dbf! |
| 17:41.35 | doughecka | DEBIAN! |
| 17:41.41 | hardwire | doughecka: ! |
| 17:41.50 | Patlabor221 | now your just spouting crap you know nothing about. |
| 17:41.54 | doughecka | ;) |
| 17:42.15 | hardwire | heh |
| 17:42.21 | hardwire | bsp! |
| 17:42.27 | Patlabor221 | well just gotta find a way to make a bunch of text not have charage returns |
| 17:42.33 | doughecka | bzw! |
| 17:42.43 | doughecka | Patlabor221: quark express... |
| 17:42.44 | hardwire | s/\n//; |
| 17:43.03 | Jormungandr | bzfquery.pl is wacky. |
| 17:43.04 | hardwire | s/\r\n/\n/; |
| 17:43.17 | hardwire | is it \n\r or \r\n ? |
| 17:43.24 | doughecka | s/r/n\n/n\r/n/r\/n\rn/\\n/nr\n/r\n/rn\rn/nr\\/nr |
| 17:43.25 | Cell | second |
| 17:43.31 | Cell | \r\n |
| 17:43.36 | hardwire | minute |
| 17:43.59 | doughecka | \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ :P |
| 17:44.04 | Cell | lol |
| 17:44.11 | doughecka | hardwire: hi |
| 17:44.16 | hardwire | hi doughecka! |
| 17:44.22 | doughecka | lol |
| 17:45.11 | doughecka | KG4YMG |
| 17:48.02 | hardwire | rawr? |
| 17:48.06 | hardwire | KC0MYM |
| 17:48.09 | Patlabor221 | 13 10 |
| 17:48.12 | Patlabor221 | those have to go |
| 17:48.20 | Cell | yes |
| 17:48.31 | hardwire | doughecka: how long you been a hamhead? |
| 17:48.38 | doughecka | hardwire: about 15 min |
| 17:48.40 | Patlabor221 | since age 3 |
| 17:49.00 | Cell | :) |
| 17:49.02 | doughecka | hardwire: I just got the email with my callsign a little awhile ago |
| 17:49.03 | hardwire | doughecka: how was the test |
| 17:49.07 | hardwire | I need to do it |
| 17:49.10 | doughecka | missed 1 |
| 17:49.13 | hardwire | KC0MYM is my roomates |
| 17:49.14 | doughecka | very easy |
| 17:49.17 | hardwire | hmm |
| 17:49.17 | doughecka | hardwire: ah |
| 17:49.21 | hardwire | where did you take it? |
| 17:49.28 | Cell | SAT test? |
| 17:49.47 | doughecka | hardwire: qrz.com has a online exam you can take.. doesnt count, but its good as a quiz or something |
| 17:49.58 | hardwire | ok |
| 17:50.06 | hardwire | Cell: Ameteur Radio |
| 17:50.11 | doughecka | hardwire: took it with some other hams |
| 17:50.17 | hardwire | I need to take it |
| 17:50.23 | hardwire | I should try the quiz today |
| 17:50.28 | Cell | hardwire:uh, whats that? |
| 17:50.48 | doughecka | hardwire: get a technition book from radio shack.. |
| 17:50.50 | hardwire | Cell: not professional :) |
| 17:51.01 | hardwire | doughecka: we have a ham radio outlet around here somewhere.. |
| 17:51.02 | doughecka | hardwire: it has all the questions, and then question pool |
| 17:51.06 | doughecka | hardwire: ah |
| 17:51.21 | Cell | and what music do you play? |
| 17:51.33 | doughecka | Cell: its illegal to play music |
| 17:51.34 | hardwire | Cell: PSK31 |
| 17:51.45 | hardwire | bitchin ass tune man! |
| 17:52.06 | Cell | play Elton John plz, i gave you my favorite mp3 then :) |
| 17:52.07 | doughecka | lol |
| 17:53.09 | hardwire | AFSK1200 is pretty bitchin as well |
| 17:53.21 | doughecka | 1200 packet forever! |
| 17:53.37 | doughecka | or SSTV |
| 17:54.30 | hardwire | SSTV is scary |
| 17:54.34 | hardwire | we are gonna use it.. but man |
| 17:54.34 | hardwire | heh |
| 17:54.34 | doughecka | heh |
| 17:54.45 | hardwire | I got it working over two radios .. pretty fun :) |
| 17:54.45 | doughecka | its long... |
| 17:54.53 | doughecka | heats up radios |
| 17:54.55 | doughecka | heh |
| 17:54.57 | hardwire | si! |
| 17:55.03 | doughecka | I got SSTV to work over a laser beam |
| 17:55.08 | doughecka | :P |
| 17:55.09 | hardwire | doughecka: pimp! |
| 17:55.11 | hardwire | howso! |
| 17:55.23 | doughecka | laser and photo cell |
| 17:56.03 | hardwire | I have some of them |
| 17:56.06 | hardwire | how did you modulate the laser? |
| 17:56.12 | doughecka | transformer |
| 17:56.14 | hardwire | neat |
| 17:56.16 | doughecka | small |
| 17:56.18 | hardwire | got schematicals?! |
| 17:56.42 | hardwire | this place here in town sells laser diodes with casing for $.99 |
| 17:56.44 | doughecka | google |
| 17:56.48 | hardwire | oooh fine |
| 17:56.59 | doughecka | :P |
| 17:57.05 | doughecka | I dont have it |
| 17:57.13 | doughecka | search for laser comminicator |
| 17:57.14 | hardwire | I have 3 servos hooked up and a laser mounted to them |
| 17:57.20 | doughecka | cool |
| 17:57.27 | hardwire | I just have to get the math right and I can constantly track the international space station |
| 17:57.42 | doughecka | haha |
| 17:57.43 | hardwire | also it drives cats crazy |
| 17:57.47 | doughecka | lol |
| 17:57.51 | Chestal | package j2sdk is not relocateable, grrrrr |
| 17:57.51 | hardwire | ever seen a cat chase a sine wave? |
| 17:58.03 | doughecka | LOL |
| 17:58.03 | Chestal | oh well, synlinks galore |
| 18:00.56 | doughecka | hmm |
| 18:01.10 | doughecka | hardwire: you can track the ISS with radios... |
| 18:01.17 | doughecka | hardwire: APRS :P |
| 18:01.30 | doughecka | I am sure they report there position and speed |
| 18:01.42 | hardwire | yeh |
| 18:01.55 | hardwire | gonna use that data + my data to form the angles needed |
| 18:02.06 | doughecka | ah |
| 18:02.07 | doughecka | I see |
| 18:02.24 | hardwire | gotta find an internet gateway that reports the position |
| 18:03.31 | doughecka | :) |
| 18:03.38 | *** join/#bzflag Noodleman (~chatzilla@216.228.187.207) |
| 18:03.47 | hardwire | happy noodle boy! |
| 18:03.52 | Noodleman | whazzup? |
| 18:03.53 | Jormungandr | hi noodle |
| 18:04.04 | Noodleman | hey, jormungandr |
| 18:04.19 | Jormungandr | noodle, do you have any machines running perl 5.8.0? |
| 18:04.20 | doughecka | lo |
| 18:04.40 | Noodleman | i do as a mater of fact |
| 18:04.50 | Jormungandr | can you run bzfquery.pl on them? |
| 18:04.52 | Noodleman | all of them but one :-) |
| 18:04.56 | Noodleman | sure |
| 18:04.59 | Noodleman | send it to me |
| 18:05.06 | Jormungandr | for some reason mine won't |
| 18:05.10 | Jormungandr | it's in misc dir on cvs |
| 18:05.10 | Noodleman | hmm |
| 18:05.16 | Jormungandr | for bzflag |
| 18:05.16 | Noodleman | ah |
| 18:05.28 | Jormungandr | I can still send if you don't have a copy. |
| 18:05.30 | Chestal | have beenusing bzfquery with 5.8.0 for months |
| 18:05.35 | hardwire | Jormungandr: UML |
| 18:05.36 | Jormungandr | really? |
| 18:05.38 | Noodleman | ok, send it to me |
| 18:05.45 | Chestal | This is perl, v5.8.0 built for i386-linux-thread-multi |
| 18:05.46 | Jormungandr | I wonder if I am missing a module in perl |
| 18:05.47 | Noodleman | which distro do you have? |
| 18:05.53 | Jormungandr | RH 8 |
| 18:05.58 | Chestal | Debian here |
| 18:06.00 | Noodleman | so have i |
| 18:06.06 | Noodleman | i have rh 8 |
| 18:06.20 | Noodleman | we shall see... |
| 18:06.30 | Jormungandr | here 'tis |
| 18:06.36 | Noodleman | ok |
| 18:07.10 | Jormungandr | I put in -w to test |
| 18:07.20 | Noodleman | ok |
| 18:07.26 | Jormungandr | you not able to dcc? |
| 18:07.30 | Noodleman | nope |
| 18:07.34 | Jormungandr | :( |
| 18:07.37 | Noodleman | behind a firewall |
| 18:07.40 | Jormungandr | ah |
| 18:08.02 | Jormungandr | dcc close noodleman send |
| 18:08.05 | Jormungandr | ooops |
| 18:08.20 | TimRiker | checkout server stats yet? http://list.bzflag.org/ |
| 18:08.27 | Noodleman | you can upload it to my anonymous ftp if you don't want to email |
| 18:08.52 | TimRiker | ~bzflist |
| 18:09.14 | Noodleman | TimRiker: that's neato |
| 18:09.17 | hardwire | sooon.. so sooon.. I will have a 3d accellerated laptop.. |
| 18:09.20 | Jormungandr | I can email... what's yer email again? |
| 18:09.29 | Chestal | Tim: what's the blue line? |
| 18:09.32 | hardwire | I will bzflagging you fools from airports and coffee houses! |
| 18:09.37 | Chestal | # servers? |
| 18:09.43 | Noodleman | tucker@noodleroni.com |
| 18:09.50 | Jormungandr | okie |
| 18:09.57 | Noodleman | i don't care about giving it out in public :-) |
| 18:10.16 | Noodleman | secretary.pl takes care of these things for me :-P |
| 18:11.11 | Jormungandr | sent |
| 18:11.30 | hardwire | is she hot? |
| 18:11.30 | hardwire | take pictures :) |
| 18:11.32 | Jormungandr | I just installed spam assassin a few days ago. it's really nice. |
| 18:11.38 | Noodleman | latency......... |
| 18:11.43 | TimRiker | Noodleman: and you have clicked on them to get the other graphs? |
| 18:11.54 | Noodleman | oh, no i dint |
| 18:12.13 | Noodleman | kewl |
| 18:12.35 | Jormungandr | tim, you using bzfquery.pl to get players, etc? |
| 18:12.44 | Jormungandr | I am gunna play with doing it by team, etc. |
| 18:12.49 | Noodleman | that will be really cool after a month or so |
| 18:13.13 | Jormungandr | have an overall, and team by color. |
| 18:13.55 | Chestal | Tim: where's ducati? :-) |
| 18:13.59 | Cell | Patlabor221: i have a short cgi script that uses perl to output the server's date and time: http://home.in.tum.de/~edelstei/test.txt |
| 18:14.07 | Cell | as html |
| 18:14.18 | TimRiker | Jormungandr: nope, I just added a mrtg-bzflag.pl to cvs that's what I'm using. |
| 18:14.24 | Patlabor221 | that returns an entire page tho |
| 18:14.26 | TimRiker | ~bzflist |
| 18:14.30 | Jormungandr | cool. |
| 18:14.36 | Jormungandr | does it do teams? ;) |
| 18:14.37 | Noodleman | bah |
| 18:14.38 | Noodleman | if windows xp has ftp support integrated in, it should allow you to save a file to ftp without having to go through explorer |
| 18:14.41 | Noodleman | grrrrrrr |
| 18:14.41 | Patlabor221 | there is no way to do what I want without server side stuff I fear |
| 18:15.05 | Cell | Patlabor221:what exactly do you want to do? |
| 18:15.41 | Jormungandr | tim, you saved me a lot of time. :) |
| 18:15.50 | Patlabor221 | imbed html ( just code, not a page ) from a cgi, into another page. |
| 18:16.18 | TimRiker | Chestal: which ducati's should I add? |
| 18:16.38 | Chestal | TimRiker: 5156 is most frequented, but you could add 5155 as well |
| 18:16.38 | TimRiker | Jormungandr: heh, that's what open source is all about. ;-) |
| 18:16.48 | Cell | Patlabor221: oh tha sould be relativly easy with cgi |
| 18:17.06 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 18:17.19 | Noodleman | Jormungandr: works perfectly |
| 18:17.22 | Jormungandr | hopefully it works on tiphareth.net's perl :/ |
| 18:17.33 | Jormungandr | noodle :( |
| 18:17.40 | Jormungandr | I wish I knew what was wrong. |
| 18:17.43 | Noodleman | do you get an error? |
| 18:17.45 | Jormungandr | prolly something stupid. |
| 18:17.46 | Jormungandr | no |
| 18:17.47 | Jormungandr | just hangs |
| 18:17.51 | Noodleman | hmm |
| 18:17.51 | Jormungandr | eternally |
| 18:17.56 | Noodleman | that's weird |
| 18:17.59 | Jormungandr | I suppose I could strace it. |
| 18:18.04 | Noodleman | do you know how to use the perl debugger? |
| 18:18.09 | Jormungandr | no |
| 18:18.16 | Noodleman | i need to learn how :-( |
| 18:18.16 | Jormungandr | not a perl hacker |
| 18:18.59 | Noodleman | i get the weirdest feeling when i'm using windows and i have too many windows open |
| 18:19.10 | Noodleman | i've been using linux too much :-) |
| 18:19.43 | Jormungandr | tim.. what is second field? |
| 18:19.44 | Noodleman | the virtual desktop manager in windows xp is for the birds |
| 18:19.46 | Patlabor221 | cell then what do I put in the html to call the cgi to get the code? |
| 18:20.03 | TimRiker | Jormungandr: nothing at the moment. |
| 18:20.08 | Jormungandr | okie. |
| 18:20.10 | TimRiker | Jormungandr: thoughts? |
| 18:20.23 | Jormungandr | I think that team outputs might be nice. |
| 18:20.29 | TimRiker | I could add "max players" to scale the graphs. |
| 18:20.34 | Jormungandr | true. |
| 18:20.44 | TimRiker | well mrtg is limited to 2 returns. =( |
| 18:20.50 | Jormungandr | hrm |
| 18:21.27 | Cell | Patlabor221: you invoke the cgi with a post pr get request, that is done with a forms submit button |
| 18:21.40 | Jormungandr | can you put a sample of your mrtg conf up, too, for the bz stuff? |
| 18:21.48 | Patlabor221 | cell: I don't want a form |
| 18:21.55 | Patlabor221 | I want to imbed |
| 18:22.12 | Jormungandr | max users is prolly a good thought. |
| 18:22.37 | Cell | Patlabor221: yes but you need a from for letting a user submit his message? |
| 18:22.48 | Patlabor221 | no, you don't understand |
| 18:22.52 | Cell | ok |
| 18:22.54 | Patlabor221 | im not making a BBS |
| 18:22.54 | Jormungandr | the form exists. |
| 18:22.59 | Patlabor221 | I have a BBS |
| 18:23.06 | TimRiker | http://list.bzflag.org/mrtg.cfg |
| 18:23.11 | Jormungandr | thanks :) |
| 18:23.15 | TimRiker | np |
| 18:23.20 | Patlabor221 | this is allready a post int he BBS, I want to make it pull data from another palace. |
| 18:23.57 | Patlabor221 | I don't think there is a way to have a page call a cgi to get more code. It can be done for images, but not code I think. |
| 18:24.43 | Cell | Patlabor221: use an url to a cgi/perl script in the src of the image tag |
| 18:24.57 | Cell | then ie will call ur script |
| 18:24.58 | Patlabor221 | that will only work if it returns an image |
| 18:25.06 | Cell | hm |
| 18:25.06 | Patlabor221 | I don't want to return an image |
| 18:25.09 | TimRiker | or frames |
| 18:25.22 | Patlabor221 | like I want to make a post in bzbb that shows the current known player list, but gets the list from a script |
| 18:25.27 | TimRiker | or dhtml with javascript hacks |
| 18:25.29 | Cell | then you need java script |
| 18:25.45 | Patlabor221 | Tim, I'm inside a phpbb post, so I can't do frames, the java thing may work. |
| 18:26.13 | Jormungandr | food truck should be here soon. |
| 18:27.11 | Cell | i make potatoes mash, the only thing i can cook |
| 18:29.18 | *** join/#bzflag M_A_C (dbrosius@mxfcl3x34.chesco.com) |
| 18:32.19 | TimRiker | Jormungandr: I added a max players return as well. |
| 18:53.41 | [TeA|TrEE] | hmm |
| 18:53.47 | [TeA|TrEE] | none aktive teams |
| 18:53.58 | Jormungandr | cool, tim. :) thanks. |
| 19:17.04 | *** join/#bzflag ak|ra (~mathias@pD953318F.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 19:17.10 | ak|ra | hi |
| 19:23.54 | *** join/#bzflag Noodleman (~chatzilla@216.228.187.207) |
| 19:24.29 | Noodleman | TimRiker: i've got the graphics for the t-shirt ready if you'd like to take a look |
| 19:24.35 | Noodleman | let me upload them |
| 19:27.39 | Jormungandr | grrr. person on as "wet in the pant" again |
| 19:27.57 | Noodleman | cheater, or just all-around jerk? |
| 19:28.08 | Jormungandr | jsut not a savory callsign |
| 19:28.24 | Noodleman | yeah |
| 19:28.40 | Jormungandr | need perl admin bot :) |
| 19:28.46 | Noodleman | you can kick him, tho |
| 19:28.58 | Jormungandr | not from work :) |
| 19:29.00 | Noodleman | i'm planning to wrote one when i get the time |
| 19:31.47 | Patlabor221 | ~secretplace |
| 19:31.57 | Jormungandr | ah |
| 19:36.09 | Noodleman | TimRiker: the image for the back is at http://www.noodleroni.com/oreally_back.png |
| 19:36.39 | Noodleman | TimRiker: the image for where the front pocket would be is at http://www.noodleroni.com/oreally_pocket.png |
| 19:37.07 | Noodleman | anyone else is free to have a gander too, of course :-P |
| 19:37.33 | TimRiker | Noodleman: oh, can you make it BZFlag and not BZFLAG ? |
| 19:37.54 | TimRiker | small caps would be good too. |
| 19:37.59 | Noodleman | just a sec |
| 19:38.30 | TimRiker | the pocket URL should probably be a touch larger and in a simple font. |
| 19:38.57 | Noodleman | the page said that the pocket image should be 600x600 |
| 19:39.27 | Noodleman | also, all of the nutshell books have the text on the cover in upper-case |
| 19:39.36 | TimRiker | no, I meant inside the image. |
| 19:40.05 | *** join/#bzflag Ruudi (Sach@80-235-71-92-dsl.trt.estpak.ee) |
| 19:40.11 | TimRiker | understood, hence the small caps. just make LAG 3/4 the size of BZF |
| 19:40.12 | Noodleman | ok, i guess i'm not getting what you are asking :-) |
| 19:40.18 | Ruudi | hi |
| 19:40.24 | Noodleman | hey |
| 19:41.13 | TimRiker | and on the pocket image, make the url text 50% larger and move the tank up so the spacing works. |
| 19:41.19 | Noodleman | ok |
| 19:42.41 | TimRiker | LAG could probably be just 10% smaller and it would work well. |
| 19:43.19 | Noodleman | it just doesn't look right, but i'll upload it and see what you think :-) |
| 19:43.30 | TimRiker | ok, cool. |
| 19:45.28 | Noodleman | ok, the back image is uploaded |
| 19:46.49 | TimRiker | Noodleman: I do a double take looking at it, but I do like the smaller text. |
| 19:47.10 | Noodleman | what else does it need? |
| 19:47.19 | TimRiker | the L and the A are touching. |
| 19:47.36 | Noodleman | ah |
| 19:47.41 | Noodleman | dint notice that :-) |
| 19:51.05 | Noodleman | ok, take another look |
| 19:56.48 | TimRiker | nice. larger URL text for the pocket image? |
| 19:57.14 | Noodleman | ah yes, http://www.noodleroni.com/oreally_pocket.png |
| 19:57.58 | Noodleman | pffft, i forgot to upload it |
| 19:58.41 | Noodleman | ok, that's better |
| 20:02.34 | Noodleman | TimRiker: ok, check it out |
| 20:03.52 | TimRiker | nice. Guess I should stop playing with http://list.bzflag.org/ and make a shirt then. ;-) |
| 20:03.59 | Noodleman | hehe |
| 20:04.14 | Noodleman | are they available immediately? |
| 20:04.27 | Noodleman | i'm gonna have to buy one :-) |
| 20:15.27 | TimRiker | http://www.cafeshops.com/bzflag <- available now! ;-) |
| 20:15.51 | Noodleman | w00w00 |
| 20:16.13 | doughecka | KG4YMG |
| 20:16.19 | doughecka | :P |
| 20:16.32 | Noodleman | is that your call letters? |
| 20:16.48 | Noodleman | i wouldn't want that to be MY call letters |
| 20:16.50 | Noodleman | lol |
| 20:17.09 | doughecka | why? |
| 20:17.13 | doughecka | :) |
| 20:17.21 | Noodleman | *G4Y* |
| 20:17.24 | Noodleman | sorry |
| 20:17.25 | Noodleman | lol |
| 20:17.42 | doughecka | lol |
| 20:18.07 | doughecka | only a true geek would notice that |
| 20:18.14 | Noodleman | hehe |
| 20:24.49 | TimRiker | http://pub80.ezboard.com/fcafepressstoreownersforumfrm1.showMessage?topicID=90.topic |
| 20:26.26 | *** topic/#bzflag by TimRiker -> Best Free Multiplayer Action Game http://happypenguin.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=549 || http://BZFlag.org/ || http://list.bzflag.org/ || http://www.cafeshops.com/bzflag "PREZDAY" for $5 off on >$40 orders |
| 20:29.48 | doughecka | blank? |
| 20:29.52 | doughecka | or with something on it? :P |
| 20:30.12 | TimRiker | http://www.cafeshops.com/bzflag <- noodlemans O'REALLY design. ;-) |
| 20:30.16 | doughecka | ah |
| 20:31.04 | ak|ra | bzflag shirts? :)) |
| 20:31.13 | Noodleman | w00w00w00 |
| 20:31.26 | doughecka | haha |
| 20:31.27 | ak|ra | TimRiker: how much and shipping to the bzflag country (germany) for free? :) |
| 20:31.28 | *** join/#bzflag gonk{work} (~Pineapple@ivan.client.mscd.edu) |
| 20:31.29 | TimRiker | Noodleman: ordered one now? |
| 20:31.39 | Noodleman | just going to |
| 20:32.14 | TimRiker | http://www.cafeshops.com/cp/help/shipping.aspx |
| 20:36.30 | Noodleman | TimRiker: do i get a discount? ;-) |
| 20:36.37 | doughecka | lol |
| 20:36.52 | doughecka | can I get a discount (free?) since I am Noodleman's freind? |
| 20:36.55 | doughecka | :P |
| 20:36.56 | TimRiker | Noodleman: at the moment both shirts are at cost. |
| 20:37.09 | doughecka | TimRiker's BUYING! |
| 20:37.10 | TimRiker | so order now before I change my mind. ;-) |
| 20:37.13 | Noodleman | i was just joking :-) |
| 20:37.24 | doughecka | lol |
| 20:38.51 | ISFry | Do you really want eth0 and eth1 on the MRTG page on list.bzflag.org you can edit that out of the index file very easly or out of the cfg file for it |
| 20:40.07 | doughecka | gonk{work}: that bad? |
| 20:43.00 | *** join/#bzflag calico (calico@bgm-66-67-0-49.stny.rr.com) |
| 20:43.05 | hardwire | meow |
| 20:43.09 | doughecka | woof |
| 20:44.02 | Jormungandr | http://mrtg.tiphareth.net/ |
| 20:44.03 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 20:44.13 | Jormungandr | it's neato! |
| 20:44.14 | doughecka | hehe |
| 20:44.26 | Jormungandr | number of players just below the b/w graphs |
| 20:44.35 | Noodleman | http://www.penguinstalon.com/mrtg/eth0.html |
| 20:44.36 | doughecka | hehe |
| 20:44.37 | Noodleman | w00 |
| 20:44.43 | Noodleman | hehe |
| 20:44.53 | Noodleman | i had to get my 2 mrtg cents in :-P |
| 20:44.56 | Jormungandr | do you have player listed yet, mr noodle? |
| 20:44.57 | Jormungandr | ;) |
| 20:45.01 | doughecka | Noodleman: ahah |
| 20:45.09 | Noodleman | g2g |
| 20:45.15 | Noodleman | i'll be at work in a bit |
| 20:45.22 | doughecka | TimRiker: heh |
| 20:45.24 | Noodleman | l8r d00dz |
| 20:45.26 | doughecka | Noodleman: cya |
| 20:45.31 | Jormungandr | later |
| 20:46.39 | Jormungandr | cool stuff, tim :) |
| 20:46.43 | Jormungandr | noodle done good |
| 20:46.47 | doughecka | lol |
| 20:47.32 | doughecka | hmm |
| 20:47.39 | doughecka | I need to get a REAL router here.. |
| 20:47.41 | *** join/#bzflag ak|ra_ (~mathias@p508834E0.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 20:47.47 | ak|ra_ | re |
| 20:47.49 | doughecka | dumb thing wont foward UDP ports |
| 20:47.52 | doughecka | lo ak|ra_ |
| 20:51.26 | Jormungandr | TimRiker, thanks for the MRTG help. :) it's working great. |
| 21:02.49 | *** join/#bzflag Cell (~Cell@pD9E50994.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 21:05.52 | *** join/#bzflag Noodleman (~chatzilla@mercury.coinet.com) |
| 21:05.56 | Noodleman | d00dz! |
| 21:06.01 | Jormungandr | re |
| 21:06.15 | doughecka | lol |
| 21:06.51 | Jormungandr | wow... got a lot done at work today... including stuff with my own servers. |
| 21:11.35 | hardwire | doughecka: started up #gct if you wanna talk about aprs/gps/gis stuff.. I am gonna be gone for a bit however |
| 21:11.46 | doughecka | hehe |
| 21:12.01 | hardwire | ghost typing? |
| 21:12.07 | doughecka | mind link |
| 21:12.11 | hardwire | wow |
| 21:12.13 | doughecka | yup |
| 21:12.22 | doughecka | better than ham radio too |
| 21:12.23 | doughecka | :P |
| 21:18.59 | TimRiker | Jormungandr: updates my configs and the script now. it uses a cache file so that multiple graphs do not have to do multiple bzfls requests. my config now has the maxplayer blue line added for servers. |
| 21:19.05 | TimRiker | er updated |
| 21:19.20 | Jormungandr | oh, cool |
| 21:19.25 | Jormungandr | same url for configs? |
| 21:21.29 | TimRiker | yep. |
| 21:21.40 | TimRiker | that's the actual config I'm using. |
| 21:24.23 | Jormungandr | I'll update it when I get home. very cool stuff. :) |
| 21:49.33 | TimRiker | ~bzflist |
| 21:58.03 | *** join/#bzflag captain_pistachi (~jupiter@aden2-23-dhcp.resnet.Colorado.EDU) |
| 21:58.04 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o captain_pistachi] by ChanServ |
| 22:20.19 | *** part/#bzflag Noodleman (~chatzilla@mercury.coinet.com) |
| 22:20.27 | *** join/#bzflag Noodleman (~chatzilla@mercury.coinet.com) |
| 22:20.37 | doughecka | w00t |
| 22:20.44 | Noodleman | l33t |
| 22:20.54 | doughecka | qu@ck |
| 22:21.09 | doughecka | M3OW |
| 22:21.13 | doughecka | W00F |
| 22:21.32 | Jormungandr | silly |
| 22:21.35 | doughecka | :P |
| 22:21.37 | Noodleman | yes |
| 22:21.49 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 22:21.57 | Noodleman | i was tempted to say those 3 chars in his call letters |
| 22:21.58 | Jormungandr | 8 minutes laft at work |
| 22:21.59 | Jormungandr | yay! |
| 22:22.04 | Noodleman | w00w00 |
| 22:22.06 | Noodleman | yeah |
| 22:22.08 | doughecka | haha |
| 22:22.12 | doughecka | 7min! |
| 22:22.14 | doughecka | 6 min! |
| 22:22.20 | Jormungandr | 3/4 of my work week is over |
| 22:22.35 | doughecka | lol |
| 22:22.50 | Jormungandr | I like these 10 hr shifts. |
| 22:23.14 | doughecka | then somethings wrong |
| 22:23.22 | Jormungandr | I only work 4 days a week |
| 22:23.28 | Jormungandr | 3 days off in a row |
| 22:23.36 | doughecka | cool |
| 22:23.45 | Jormungandr | so something's "right" |
| 22:23.46 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 22:24.00 | doughecka | haha |
| 22:26.30 | *** join/#bzflag pnm (~pete@pc-80-192-250-28-mo.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 22:26.36 | *** part/#bzflag ISFry (~Fry@65.168.86.30) |
| 22:26.55 | *** part/#bzflag pnm (~pete@pc-80-192-250-28-mo.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 22:30.12 | Jormungandr | back in a bit |
| 22:30.14 | Jormungandr | & |
| 22:31.16 | doughecka | moo |
| 22:31.18 | doughecka | m00 |
| 22:38.49 | Noodleman | ~seen jzaun |
| 22:38.50 | | jzaun <~jzaun@jzaun.static.telerama.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 6d 22h 40m 3s ago, saying: 'doughecka: yes and no, I got about 5 IPs but don't have the time to look into it further'. |
| 22:39.01 | doughecka | heh |
| 22:39.11 | Noodleman | he's hard to get a hold of |
| 22:39.20 | doughecka | hes online |
| 22:39.24 | doughecka | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:39.27 | doughecka | just not in #bzflag |
| 22:39.45 | TimRiker | Noodleman: so should I do the stats dns change? looks like jzaun might be gone for a while. |
| 22:42.33 | doughecka | hmm |
| 22:42.54 | doughecka | maybe I shouldnt build this antenna... length? 3194.44 feet |
| 22:43.08 | doughecka | aha |
| 22:43.14 | doughecka | 3.19 feet is better |
| 22:44.04 | TimRiker | ~change 3194.44 feet to miles |
| 22:44.16 | TimRiker | ~convert 3194.44 feet to miles |
| 22:44.33 | TimRiker | ~convert 3194.44 feet to kilometers |
| 22:44.42 | TimRiker | ~convert 3194.44 feet to kilometer |
| 22:44.59 | TimRiker | ~spell kilometer |
| 22:45.00 | | 'kilometer' may be spelled correctly |
| 22:45.12 | TimRiker | ~convert 3194.44 feet to km |
| 22:46.31 | doughecka | haha |
| 22:46.38 | doughecka | thats pretty neat |
| 22:46.52 | doughecka | ~convert 1000 miles to km |
| 22:47.10 | TimRiker | ~convert 3194.44 feet to furlongs |
| 22:47.18 | TimRiker | ~convert 3194.44 feet to cubits |
| 22:47.26 | doughecka | convert 1609.34 km to meters |
| 22:47.27 | TimRiker | ~convert 3194.44 feet to leagues |
| 22:47.31 | doughecka | haha |
| 22:47.36 | doughecka | this thing does everything |
| 22:47.53 | TimRiker | convert 1 light year to microns |
| 22:47.57 | TimRiker | ~convert 1 light year to microns |
| 22:47.59 | doughecka | lol |
| 22:48.04 | doughecka | haahahahahahahahaha |
| 22:48.31 | doughecka | Convert 1000 miles to light year |
| 22:48.37 | doughecka | ~Convert 1000 miles to light year |
| 22:48.41 | doughecka | hm |
| 22:48.45 | doughecka | wow |
| 22:48.53 | doughecka | lights rather slow |
| 22:49.06 | TimRiker | ~convert 60 miles/hour to feet/second |
| 22:49.09 | doughecka | wow |
| 22:49.21 | TimRiker | heh |
| 22:49.40 | doughecka | ~convert mach 6 to miles/hour |
| 22:49.41 | TimRiker | ~convert 60 miles/hour to microns/milisecond |
| 22:49.50 | doughecka | no such thing as mach |
| 22:49.56 | TimRiker | ~spell milisecond |
| 22:49.57 | | possible spellings for milisecond: millisecond milliseconds millisecond's Milicent |
| 22:49.57 | doughecka | since its dynamic... |
| 22:50.03 | TimRiker | ~convert 60 miles/hour to microns/millisecond |
| 22:50.14 | doughecka | haha |
| 22:50.29 | doughecka | ~convert 60 miles/hour to microns/hour |
| 22:50.34 | doughecka | heh |
| 22:51.52 | doughecka | oh ho ho... I found antenna software for QBASIC!! |
| 22:52.56 | TimRiker | antennas are just powers of 2 aren't they? |
| 22:53.03 | doughecka | lol |
| 22:55.08 | doughecka | hmm |
| 22:57.49 | *** join/#bzflag LionATL (~relyons@c-66-56-44-155.atl.client2.attbi.com) |
| 22:57.58 | doughecka | oooh, LionATL! |
| 22:58.22 | LionATL | ooooo.... hi :) |
| 22:58.45 | doughecka | hmmm, clever he is, but much to learn he has |
| 22:59.30 | LionATL | i've learned one thing |
| 22:59.51 | LionATL | looking on bzflag.org for clothing... and found the cafeshops link here :) |
| 23:00.29 | doughecka | haha |
| 23:00.32 | Jormungandr | I think the thing is a bot OTT :) |
| 23:00.35 | Jormungandr | thong |
| 23:00.39 | doughecka | lol |
| 23:00.55 | LionATL | no no no no i'm a real person |
| 23:01.20 | Jormungandr | lion.. i should have read "I think the thong is a bit OTT" |
| 23:01.39 | LionATL | oh.... lol.... yeah, wonder how that's selling? |
| 23:01.47 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 23:01.51 | doughecka | ~convert 60 miles/hour to km/hour |
| 23:02.00 | doughecka | LionATL: just got made today |
| 23:02.01 | doughecka | :) |
| 23:02.02 | Jormungandr | I think I need to take a nap. |
| 23:02.07 | Jormungandr | bbl |
| 23:02.09 | Jormungandr | & |
| 23:02.12 | doughecka | 73 |
| 23:04.14 | doughecka | or 3.25 for a bigger one |
| 23:10.04 | Chestal | ~convert miles/m to km/lightyear |
| 23:11.18 | doughecka | hmm |
| 23:11.23 | doughecka | I see.. |
| 23:11.45 | Chestal | ~convert hour/mile to lightyears |
| 23:11.47 | doughecka | ~convert 60 miles/hour to miles/lightyear |
| 23:11.56 | doughecka | bah |
| 23:12.09 | doughecka | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:16.18 | Noodleman | do you even know what a lightyear is? |
| 23:16.19 | Noodleman | hehe |
| 23:16.59 | doughecka | yea.. |
| 23:17.10 | doughecka | something insainly fast |
| 23:18.04 | doughecka | ~bzdougs birthday |
| 23:18.04 | | TODAY!!! LETS SING EVERYBODY!!!! |
| 23:18.07 | TimRiker | Jormungandr: probably right. I got carried away. |
| 23:18.40 | doughecka | TimRiker: what else can you make the logos on? |
| 23:18.43 | Noodleman | lets sing taps :-) |
| 23:19.04 | doughecka | :P |
| 23:19.06 | Noodleman | one less day until he cr04x0rs :-) |
| 23:19.13 | doughecka | lol |
| 23:19.20 | doughecka | like crack up? |
| 23:19.22 | doughecka | :P |
| 23:19.26 | TimRiker | doughecka: uh, light year is a _distance_ not a _time_. |
| 23:19.43 | doughecka | TimRiker: hmm, yea... |
| 23:19.44 | doughecka | :) |
| 23:20.07 | doughecka | but light it still purty fast |
| 23:20.14 | Chestal | it's too slow actually |
| 23:20.20 | Chestal | by at least a factor of 10 |
| 23:20.32 | doughecka | Chestal: huh, you making a warp engine in your back yard? |
| 23:21.29 | Chestal | nope, still didn't get the string theory right |
| 23:21.36 | Chestal | superstring even |
| 23:21.55 | Chestal | but the speed of light affects bzflag |
| 23:21.57 | doughecka | Chestal: ah, I have a anti matter high drive over here... |
| 23:21.57 | *** join/#bzflag frq3 (~asdf@pc-80-192-250-28-mo.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 23:21.59 | doughecka | wanna trade? |
| 23:22.12 | Chestal | no, I'll buy one on ebay |
| 23:22.20 | doughecka | Chestal: ah, k |
| 23:22.25 | frq3 | http://www.boobies.nl/bzflag |
| 23:22.30 | doughecka | hmm |
| 23:22.31 | frq3 | ^ check it :) |
| 23:22.38 | doughecka | maybe not |
| 23:22.45 | frq3 | as you wish |
| 23:22.51 | frq3 | it amused me, anyway |
| 23:22.59 | Chestal | yes, it's nice, but I already know it |
| 23:23.03 | frq3 | heh |
| 23:25.08 | Chestal | if anyone knows something (besides 4 and 8)... http://www.filmwise.com/invisibles/invisible_115.shtml |
| 23:31.56 | jraitala | hello |
| 23:32.08 | [dmp] | hi |
| 23:32.12 | *** join/#bzflag Rembo (~remco@seesink.kabel.utwente.nl) |
| 23:32.29 | TimRiker | frq3: well, not that I approve, but at least you could have used http://www.boobies.nl/BZFlag |
| 23:32.44 | *** join/#bzflag BaDiN (Paramount@adslsapo-b3-250-217.telepac.pt) |
| 23:32.46 | BaDiN | hi |
| 23:32.48 | BaDiN | :) |
| 23:33.05 | jraitala | hi |
| 23:33.08 | BaDiN | so |
| 23:33.13 | BaDiN | how's it gonna be? :) |
| 23:33.15 | Rembo | hi |
| 23:33.22 | [dmp] | hi |
| 23:33.34 | Rembo | tim are you in here? |
| 23:33.36 | Chestal | hi badin, what happened to the Bananas? |
| 23:33.44 | BaDiN | ches: no active players :/ |
| 23:33.48 | BaDiN | Gil and syco |
| 23:33.56 | BaDiN | the guys who used to play with me |
| 23:33.59 | Noodleman | stats.bzflag.org lives! |
| 23:34.00 | BaDiN | well... |
| 23:34.16 | BaDiN | Gil didn't give me his email! |
| 23:34.24 | BaDiN | "just can't, can't commit" |
| 23:34.29 | BaDiN | and i never saw him again |
| 23:34.30 | BaDiN | lol |
| 23:34.37 | BaDiN | syco, i think he quit playing bzflag |
| 23:35.01 | [dmp] | He didnt really like HoW :-) |
| 23:35.07 | BaDiN | lol |
| 23:35.13 | BaDiN | that was a bad day |
| 23:35.14 | BaDiN | lol |
| 23:35.18 | TimRiker | Rembo: yepper. |
| 23:35.22 | Rembo | ah. |
| 23:35.34 | Rembo | rembere about hte freeze I mailed you about? |
| 23:35.49 | Rembo | i reported it on http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=179660 |
| 23:35.51 | jraitala | bamf doesn't irc much, right? |
| 23:36.01 | Rembo | i think it's in xlibmesa3 |
| 23:36.01 | [dmp] | Noodleman: Hm, i'm not sure it's worth the effort. But I talked with jzaun about him providing the data for my ladder. To avoid having two scripts who pools data from each server |
| 23:36.23 | [dmp] | ~seen bamf |
| 23:36.24 | | bamf <~frootie@alb-24-194-98-76.nycap.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 36d 9h 59m 49s ago, saying: 'hi bb'. |
| 23:36.34 | [dmp] | not really :) |
| 23:36.44 | Noodleman | [dmp]: email me |
| 23:36.48 | BaDiN | djeee |
| 23:36.48 | BaDiN | lol |
| 23:36.53 | Rembo | TimRiker: I think i need to recompile and debug xlibmesa3 to find it right? |
| 23:37.11 | jraitala | bamf asked me to join his team a few days ago, but they don't seem to be using irc too much |
| 23:37.36 | Chestal | jraitala: he uses yahoo messenger |
| 23:37.49 | *** join/#bzflag bamf (~frootie@alb-24-194-98-76.nycap.rr.com) |
| 23:37.55 | bamf | hola |
| 23:38.01 | Chestal | but IMHO vbz has enough players, although maybe one or two of them are inactive righ tnow, whatever |
| 23:38.04 | Chestal | hi bamf |
| 23:38.07 | jraitala | hey bamf |
| 23:38.09 | [dmp] | Noodleman: Well, focus on getting stats going again. :-) It's no hurry. |
| 23:38.10 | bamf | :) |
| 23:38.16 | Noodleman | ok |
| 23:38.23 | bamf | vbz? |
| 23:38.35 | bamf | we are all inactive, it seems :) |
| 23:38.35 | Chestal | bamf: yesm a team that used to play :-) |
| 23:38.40 | BaDiN | :) |
| 23:38.43 | bamf | har har |
| 23:38.56 | Chestal | bamf: any news from Sniper? |
| 23:39.10 | bamf | not lately, although I haven't attempted to contact |
| 23:39.16 | BaDiN | well, i'm starting a new team |
| 23:39.21 | [dmp] | bamf: We need to play your team soon. See if you can handle us :-) |
| 23:39.27 | bamf | zwei, m1 and I are hungry to play |
| 23:39.32 | BaDiN | so, it is clever to join me than renforcing other teams :D |
| 23:39.59 | [dmp] | bamf: Tomorrow night, perhaps? |
| 23:40.00 | Chestal | some new teams were founded lately |
| 23:40.10 | Chestal | noen of them played so far, though |
| 23:40.14 | bamf | sniper has lag, and kono is....kono :) |
| 23:40.17 | Chestal | some with known players, some with unknown |
| 23:40.35 | jraitala | I have practically no life, so I could as well join or even form a team |
| 23:41.05 | jraitala | life as in meaning real life. In addition, it's studying holiday right now |
| 23:42.46 | TimRiker | Rembo: likely, yes. |
| 23:43.13 | TimRiker | Rembo: I suspect it's in the harware specific area. I've not looked into mesa debugging though. |
| 23:43.31 | Rembo | Hmmm.... ok. that measn recompiling X if I am not mistaken. But it seems to depend on hurd. that confuses me |
| 23:43.39 | Rembo | hmmm |
| 23:44.04 | Rembo | is there any easy way to recompile mesa? |
| 23:44.27 | BaDiN | mesa is a great portuguese band :) |
| 23:44.28 | [dmp] | ah great. Now calico is online :) |
| 23:44.36 | BaDiN | dmp: you'd like tham, i'm sure :) |
| 23:44.41 | BaDiN | great, now he comes |
| 23:44.41 | BaDiN | lol |
| 23:45.05 | TimRiker | Rembo: apt-get source --rebuild ?? ;-) |
| 23:45.47 | TimRiker | er --build ... |
| 23:46.14 | BaDiN | :) |
| 23:58.46 | bamf | later all |
| 23:58.49 | Rembo | cu |
