| 00:08.37 | doughecka | hahahhahahahahahaahh |
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| 00:49.16 | doughecka | greetings |
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| 02:46.38 | michaelh20 | *** Now talking in #bzflag |
| 02:48.03 | Patlabor221 | yes, yes you are |
| 02:49.54 | michaelh20 | don't all speak at once |
| 02:59.26 | Patlabor221 | I think everyone is shy |
| 03:01.26 | Patlabor221 | or drunk |
| 03:04.07 | Patlabor221 | or shy and drunk. |
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| 06:10.38 | MrApathyCream | ===woot===> |
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| 06:53.58 | captain_proton | mmm |
| 06:53.59 | captain_proton | good dinner |
| 06:55.05 | MrApathyCream | fry daddy? |
| 06:55.39 | captain_proton | nope |
| 06:55.43 | captain_proton | we made fried rice |
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| 08:35.39 | MrApathyCream | captain_proton: remember what the wiki tag is to say use html? |
| 09:00.28 | MrApathyCream | <dukolax>Protocol, only one l. Sorry, just one of my pet peeves when I see someone misspell a word over and over again. |
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| 10:11.15 | marvinxsteadfast | hi all |
| 10:11.46 | marvinxsteadfast | are there bots for BZflag? |
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| 11:47.33 | marvinxsteadfast | i really need bots for bzflag :) |
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| 14:14.42 | doughecka | greetings |
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| 15:04.19 | Chestal | tag |
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| 15:10.57 | Chestal | hi MAC |
| 15:11.13 | MrApathyCream | lo |
| 16:53.00 | Chestal | does anyoen know when Tim will be back? |
| 17:01.00 | doughecka | monday |
| 17:01.03 | doughecka | ~seen timriker |
| 17:01.04 | | timriker <timr@rikers.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #elinux, 1d 20h 23m 49s ago, saying: 'headed to dallas. back monday.'. |
| 17:03.13 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 17:03.22 | MrApathyCream | does chestal want to ship? |
| 17:03.29 | MrApathyCream | :0 |
| 17:04.38 | Chestal | I'd liek to clarify the few things we talked about a week ago |
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| 17:17.45 | MrApathyCream | mmm |
| 17:17.53 | doughecka | 'lo Patlabor221! |
| 17:18.00 | Patlabor221 | hey |
| 17:21.32 | doughecka | like what sugestions? |
| 17:21.34 | MrApathyCream | ? |
| 17:21.42 | Patlabor221 | drive thru pyrmaid one. |
| 17:21.44 | MrApathyCream | i just can't believe you can't spell |
| 17:21.51 | Patlabor221 | I realy can't |
| 17:21.55 | doughecka | lol |
| 17:21.56 | Patlabor221 | well mostly I can't type |
| 17:22.02 | doughecka | he can program though... |
| 17:22.06 | MrApathyCream | luckily dukot will correct you |
| 17:22.15 | Patlabor221 | I'v been diagonosed as slightly dislexic |
| 17:22.22 | doughecka | I like the drive through, pyramids, lots of maps use it |
| 17:22.25 | Patlabor221 | and I reverse letters a lot |
| 17:22.49 | doughecka | mayeb have drive through pyramids an option? |
| 17:23.05 | Patlabor221 | it's a client thing, it can't be a server option |
| 17:23.12 | doughecka | oh |
| 17:23.20 | doughecka | make it a server thing |
| 17:23.24 | Patlabor221 | chestal said he wanted to see an idea how to implement it right, and I had given my sugestion like 3 times |
| 17:23.38 | Patlabor221 | doug it can't be a server thing, the client does the collision checks |
| 17:23.39 | doughecka | hah |
| 17:24.00 | doughecka | yea, but maybe the server cab command the client to hit pyramids or not |
| 17:24.08 | doughecka | cab/can |
| 17:24.09 | Patlabor221 | that woudl break protocoll |
| 17:24.15 | doughecka | bah |
| 17:24.16 | Patlabor221 | G2 is to be compatable |
| 17:24.17 | doughecka | break it |
| 17:24.17 | doughecka | :) |
| 17:24.29 | Patlabor221 | then if your gonna break it don't chezze it out |
| 17:24.37 | doughecka | lol |
| 17:24.47 | Patlabor221 | make a map option for each object to be shot and ddrive transpernat |
| 17:25.05 | Patlabor221 | my whole point on that thread was don't half ass it |
| 17:25.07 | doughecka | hmm, that would be better |
| 17:25.13 | Patlabor221 | it cna't stay in for G2 anyway |
| 17:25.21 | Patlabor221 | everyone with an older version woudl be "Cheating" |
| 17:25.24 | doughecka | heh |
| 17:25.33 | Patlabor221 | since they could drive thru stuff G2 can't |
| 17:25.48 | MrApathyCream | we did that with SR, no one noticed |
| 17:25.57 | doughecka | hmm, yea, that would mean g3 only servers |
| 17:25.58 | doughecka | SR? |
| 17:26.16 | Patlabor221 | with all the maps that use floating pyrmaids, I think this would be more noticable |
| 17:26.28 | Patlabor221 | and we've lived with the pyramid thing since day 1 |
| 17:26.54 | MrApathyCream | everyone will upgrade for the GeoM anyway :) |
| 17:27.01 | Chestal | I still think that drive-through objects are silly |
| 17:27.18 | Patlabor221 | if state flags are added to the map objects, I can make a converter that will take an old map and make it work like it used to by seting the flags |
| 17:27.26 | Patlabor221 | chestal, they are |
| 17:27.30 | Patlabor221 | but lots of people like them |
| 17:27.37 | Patlabor221 | not everyone plays the way you do. |
| 17:27.40 | Chestal | bah, those shoudl write their own game then |
| 17:28.06 | Patlabor221 | well since I think there are more of them then you, maybe you should branch :) |
| 17:28.17 | Chestal | but I can code, they can't :-) |
| 17:28.27 | Patlabor221 | this is a sad truth |
| 17:28.54 | Patlabor221 | still since old clients will do somethign new ones don't I think this would be bad to put in G2 |
| 17:29.10 | Chestal | I agree |
| 17:29.36 | Patlabor221 | I have a feeling Tim realy wants to do a G2 with the CLOSE_WAIT fix, and the anti-cheat stuff |
| 17:29.50 | Patlabor221 | tho I don't know how many people will upgrade. |
| 17:29.53 | Chestal | I'dliek to see a G2, too |
| 17:29.57 | Chestal | many will |
| 17:30.04 | Chestal | I guess peopel will liek some of the features |
| 17:30.05 | MrApathyCream | if geom, everyone will (xcept chestal) |
| 17:30.06 | Patlabor221 | that woudl be good. |
| 17:30.15 | MrApathyCream | later |
| 17:30.22 | Chestal | geom? |
| 17:30.33 | Patlabor221 | the missile GM replacement |
| 17:30.40 | Patlabor221 | MAC realy likes it |
| 17:30.45 | Chestal | AFAIK it doesn;t affect me? |
| 17:31.02 | Patlabor221 | if you are not set to high quality you don't see it |
| 17:31.09 | Patlabor221 | and its only a patch right now |
| 17:31.14 | Chestal | quality=low here |
| 17:31.19 | Chestal | at home, I can try with high |
| 17:31.34 | Patlabor221 | I put the new texture in as missilehi.rgb |
| 17:31.37 | Chestal | some peopel will also like the ability to chaneg radar and mosue boxes size |
| 17:31.43 | Patlabor221 | and made the loader look at quality when it loads |
| 17:31.49 | Patlabor221 | yes I think they will |
| 17:32.09 | doughecka | Chestal: I would like to be able to move my mouse a tiny little bit, and be able to go from stop to full speed |
| 17:32.10 | Patlabor221 | also if you don't want the geo missile ever, just throw away the model |
| 17:32.25 | Chestal | dough: you can make your mosue box quite small |
| 17:32.30 | doughecka | Chestal: how? |
| 17:32.38 | doughecka | Chestal: where is the settings? |
| 17:32.45 | Chestal | I can make it so small that's I have a hard tiem driving in a straight line |
| 17:32.48 | Chestal | GUI options menu |
| 17:32.54 | doughecka | ah |
| 17:33.13 | Patlabor221 | I like the <------0---------> menu setings |
| 17:33.21 | Patlabor221 | I'd like to see volume be changed to that |
| 17:33.27 | doughecka | yea |
| 17:33.33 | Patlabor221 | for consistency |
| 17:33.55 | doughecka | Chestal: I dont see it in the gui options, is it CVS? |
| 17:34.04 | Chestal | not in g0, yes |
| 17:34.10 | doughecka | ah |
| 17:34.39 | Patlabor221 | we were talking about new featurs doug, where else would the be? |
| 17:34.44 | Chestal | bah, java_vm started by galeon hooks up /dev/dsp |
| 17:34.51 | doughecka | heh |
| 17:34.54 | Chestal | so much about resource leaks |
| 17:36.38 | Chestal | Pat: changing the voluem setting is easy |
| 17:36.52 | Patlabor221 | I'm sure it is |
| 17:36.58 | Patlabor221 | I just don't know much about the menus |
| 17:37.05 | Chestal | Pat: what are your thoughts on the two flag toggle keys? |
| 17:37.18 | Patlabor221 | haven't looked at them |
| 17:37.31 | Patlabor221 | what are they? |
| 17:37.35 | Chestal | one toggles flags on radar, the other in main view |
| 17:37.48 | Patlabor221 | why would you not want them in main view? |
| 17:37.54 | Patlabor221 | I can see why in radar |
| 17:38.11 | Patlabor221 | main view seems allmost like a cheat |
| 17:38.23 | Chestal | yep |
| 17:38.26 | Chestal | just my thoughts |
| 17:39.04 | Patlabor221 | I know some people who use mass amounts of flags for obscurement |
| 17:40.01 | Patlabor221 | I don't think anything should ever change your view of the "world" thru the main view, I see that as the phisical world. |
| 17:40.20 | Patlabor221 | but radar is an abastraction of your view, so it's accepted that it's not a "real" view |
| 17:40.23 | Chestal | yes, it can be altered by bad flags, though |
| 17:40.37 | Patlabor221 | yes, but that's a "BAD" thing |
| 17:40.39 | Patlabor221 | and that's ok |
| 17:40.47 | Patlabor221 | it's not realy user controlled |
| 17:41.12 | Patlabor221 | I'd like to see a mode that hides objects in the radar X units above you |
| 17:41.22 | Chestal | Tim checked it in I think, so I'm waiting for him to return to discuss it (among other things) |
| 17:41.23 | Patlabor221 | for maps with lots of Z |
| 17:41.39 | Patlabor221 | we need a BZBible |
| 17:41.48 | Patlabor221 | to say how things are suposed to work |
| 17:41.55 | Chestal | if I would be plazying with etxtures+quality=high, I'd liek to have an option to get rid of the explosions |
| 17:42.06 | Chestal | I find them distracting, but maybe only because I'm not used to them |
| 17:42.24 | Patlabor221 | I'd like to see a better explision, they look to sprite like to me |
| 17:42.25 | Chestal | and my accelerated GL at hoem seems to be buggy, I only see them once in a while |
| 17:42.39 | Patlabor221 | they would be less distacting if they were more transperarnt |
| 17:42.41 | Chestal | is every shot supposed to cause an explosion when it expires? |
| 17:42.51 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 17:43.16 | Chestal | I'm glad I don't see (and hear) those |
| 17:43.47 | Patlabor221 | I think one thing that could be done would be to kill the shots that explode outside the world bounds |
| 17:44.32 | Patlabor221 | Tim is to return on monday? |
| 17:44.37 | Chestal | I think so |
| 17:44.45 | Patlabor221 | I wonder if he would be intertested in my server admin patch in CVS |
| 17:44.46 | Chestal | we can release on Tuesday then :-) |
| 17:44.54 | Chestal | I didn't really take a look at it |
| 17:45.00 | Patlabor221 | it's not done yes |
| 17:45.02 | Patlabor221 | yet |
| 17:45.11 | Chestal | I'd liek to start with the authentication stuff in 1.8/1.9/2.0 |
| 17:45.31 | Patlabor221 | that would be nice |
| 17:45.47 | Chestal | still not sure whether we'll get it done, though |
| 17:45.58 | Chestal | there has been a lot of discussion, but it's still fuzzy |
| 17:46.07 | Patlabor221 | tho I can't say that I'm doing real authenticaction, since it's optional with my patch |
| 17:46.41 | Chestal | and local to the server? |
| 17:47.20 | Patlabor221 | for now yes, but I plan on making it access a shared "database" server in it's next iteration |
| 17:48.15 | Patlabor221 | then that DB server can ether keep a file it's self, or use some other database technolgy , like mySQL or what have you, and the individual servers don't care |
| 17:48.47 | Chestal | I'd really liek to make use of pk cryptography - if it can be done easily |
| 17:49.45 | Patlabor221 | I do everything thru /messages as to not break protocoll, so I can't crytpo anything |
| 17:50.08 | Chestal | well, you could, but it woudl be rather awkward to use I guess ;-) |
| 17:50.27 | Patlabor221 | moslty I'm doing this cus Jorm dosn't want to give out full server access to people so they can just be cops or refs. |
| 17:50.52 | Patlabor221 | and to allow players some level of callsign protection. |
| 17:51.24 | Chestal | how do you callsign protect? kick on first shot or anything? |
| 17:51.34 | Patlabor221 | no it's just like nickserv |
| 17:51.42 | Patlabor221 | you /register your name |
| 17:51.52 | Patlabor221 | if you log in as a regiserd name you have to /identify |
| 17:52.20 | Patlabor221 | there will be a server option to auto kick if you don't /identify in a certan time |
| 17:52.39 | Patlabor221 | and you can /ghost <nick> <pass> someone who is using your nick |
| 17:53.11 | Patlabor221 | then I split up all the difrent /commands and asigned seperate access flags to them in the player struct |
| 17:53.33 | Patlabor221 | and when you /identify what you can do and not do is loaded from a database |
| 17:54.06 | Chestal | how does the 'real' admin specify the access level for each nick? |
| 17:54.11 | Patlabor221 | there is also a set of default rights that the admin can set, like if he wants everyone even un registerd guests to be able to do a countdown. |
| 17:54.24 | Patlabor221 | if you /password you can set the rights of any user |
| 17:54.44 | Patlabor221 | so you /pass as an admin user, and set your rights to super addmin |
| 17:54.56 | Patlabor221 | then from then on you don't need to specify a /password |
| 17:55.13 | Chestal | and everything is persistent? |
| 17:55.17 | Patlabor221 | then when you idenntify your account is admin and you can do a /SetRights on any user |
| 17:55.28 | Patlabor221 | yes the database is saved after each mod. |
| 17:55.43 | Patlabor221 | if you specify a database file that is |
| 17:55.50 | Patlabor221 | if you don't, it dosn't save it. |
| 17:56.08 | Chestal | can you share a database file among several servers (on same machine)? |
| 17:56.32 | Patlabor221 | right now, no. but I want to look into that posibility before I make the patch |
| 17:56.52 | Patlabor221 | the database is abstracted thru a class, so I can realy make it do anything |
| 17:57.21 | Patlabor221 | just trying to figure out the best way to have multiple instances all access the same file with write access |
| 17:57.38 | Patlabor221 | may do something with a dirty flag and the file mod date and Time. |
| 17:57.47 | Patlabor221 | unless there are better ways I don't know about |
| 17:57.54 | Chestal | probably need to flock or something |
| 17:58.25 | Patlabor221 | haven't done much with that kinda stuff |
| 17:59.50 | Patlabor221 | or make another server app that keeps the database, and all the servers log into it. |
| 18:00.54 | Patlabor221 | and maybe something with a local cache db if the server can't be found or something |
| 18:01.31 | Chestal | with a non-local db, authentication and access levels would have to be sperated |
| 18:01.40 | Chestal | so access levels are stored locally, authentication is done centrally |
| 18:02.19 | Patlabor221 | yes, or centeraly store access levels per server |
| 18:02.45 | Patlabor221 | initnaly I'm just testing to see if people like this kind of access |
| 18:02.56 | Chestal | with crpytographgy, authentication could be done implicitly |
| 18:03.07 | Patlabor221 | that's why it may be best to keep it a patch |
| 18:04.07 | Chestal | basically, each client gets a certificate (signed by some central entity) |
| 18:04.38 | Chestal | hmm, it always confuses me :-) |
| 18:05.01 | Patlabor221 | it should also suport servers who don't want or care about it |
| 18:05.08 | Patlabor221 | for lan or pickup games |
| 18:08.59 | Patlabor221 | time to get to the office and upgrade a server |
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| 20:53.12 | doughecka | lol |
| 20:58.51 | Jormungandr | ummm... |
| 20:58.54 | Jormungandr | is tehre a new bug |
| 20:59.02 | Jormungandr | to cause people to not be able to join? |
| 20:59.28 | Jormungandr | guy was on my server, and no one else... kept getting server/team full messages. |
| 20:59.43 | Chestal | server has a bug where it loses player slots sometimes |
| 20:59.49 | Chestal | hapens rarely to me |
| 20:59.53 | Chestal | happened with older versions, too |
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| 21:11.36 | Jormungandr | well, killed and restarted. |
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| 21:17.26 | Jormungandr | what does ULT in the () after a callsign mean? |
| 21:17.41 | Jormungandr | never saw it before |
| 21:18.15 | Chestal | you can specify an email address in the config file, this is displayed in () after your callsign |
| 21:18.20 | Jormungandr | ah cool |
| 21:18.23 | Chestal | nowadays it's mostly used to indicate your team name |
| 21:18.31 | Jormungandr | excellent |
| 21:18.33 | Jormungandr | fanks. |
| 21:18.38 | Jormungandr | I gotta get to work. |
| 21:18.45 | Jormungandr | & |
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| 22:06.38 | Jormungandr | working weekends is getting old. |
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| 22:31.58 | calico | hi all |
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| 22:32.47 | Cell | thanks cap |
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| 22:38.45 | Ruudi | hi |
| 22:39.10 | Ruudi | seen uhoh |
| 22:39.13 | Ruudi | hmm |
| 22:41.43 | Chestal | hi Ruuuuudi |
| 22:42.47 | Ruudi | how's it goin' ? |
| 22:43.20 | Chestal | oh well, wasting all day |
| 22:43.36 | Ruudi | in ducati we had a real nice game again :) there should be maybe two ducati ctf servers? that non ctf ducati is not popular right now i guess |
| 22:43.51 | Ruudi | day waste is good :) |
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