irclog2html for #bzflag on 20021223

`00:02.49`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`and teams with 2 members there?`
`00:08.21`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`hmm`
`00:17.33`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`hello?`
`00:20.47`	`scanline`	`nobody's here`
`00:21.51`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`scanline ?`
`00:21.55`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`are u in a team?`
`00:22.23`	`scanline`	`there's no u in team`
`00:23.07`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`http://jetstream.babylonia.flatirons.org/download/emerging.png`
`00:23.24`	`scanline`	`eek`
`00:23.27`	`scanline`	`it's so blurry`
`00:23.46`	`*** join/#bzflag sussudio (Suss@d5113283.cable.wanadoo.nl)`
`00:23.46`	`scanline`	`hehehe, I emerged screen inside jetstream too :)`
`00:24.04`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`=)`
`00:24.37`	`scanline`	`proton[BGDFH]: I think when the window width and height are not both even it gets everything off by 1/2 pixel, hence the blurry fonts`
`00:24.52`	`scanline`	`but hmm.. that image is 1010x784`
`00:25.42`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`with some selective resizing i got it a lot clearer`
`00:25.58`	`scanline`	`I still haven't taken the time to figure out exactly what circumstances make it blurry`
`00:26.07`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`sussudio hello`
`00:27.19`	`*** join/#bzflag [TeA] (~d9e97ba9@chat.ircnet.org)`
`00:33.01`	`*** part/#bzflag [TeA\|TrEE] (~Nicholas@pD9E97BA9.dip.t-dialin.net)`
`00:41.25`	`*** join/#bzflag SpacemanSpiff (~3faae3d0@chat.ircnet.org)`
`00:41.37`	`SpacemanSpiff`	`Hey all`
`00:41.52`	`SpacemanSpiff`	`The BZ Flag source is in .rpm format.... how do you open that??`
`00:42.25`	`scanline`	`can opener`
`00:42.34`	`sussudio`	`nitroglycerine`
`00:42.36`	`SpacemanSpiff`	`Gee, thanks :P`
`00:42.47`	`Patlabor221`	`install the rpm`
`00:42.52`	`scanline`	`ok, in all seriousness..`
`00:42.55`	`scanline`	`you need some TNT`
`00:43.00`	`SpacemanSpiff`	`How do I do that?`
`00:43.03`	`sussudio`	`tnt is the same as nitro, isnt it?`
`00:43.04`	`fiberchunks`	`spiff, you using windows?`
`00:43.04`	`Patlabor221`	`rpm -iHV`
`00:43.12`	`scanline`	`sussudio: sort of...`
`00:43.21`	`Patlabor221`	`what do you mean sort of?`
`00:43.27`	`sussudio`	`WinSpiff opening a RPM.....`
`00:43.29`	`SpacemanSpiff`	`Yes.. unfortunately.. LOL`
`00:43.53`	`Patlabor221`	`rpm is a linux package`
`00:43.53`	`SpacemanSpiff`	`Oh`
`00:43.53`	`Patlabor221`	`get the gzip one`
`00:43.55`	`SpacemanSpiff`	`Arrgh`
`00:43.58`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`dynamite is nitroglycerin doped in something to make it stable`
`00:43.59`	`SpacemanSpiff`	`Bummer`
`00:44.02`	`fiberchunks`	`can't open that in windows == you'll need the gzip, and a compiler`
`00:44.05`	`sussudio`	`next question... how do you open a tar.gz file`
`00:44.14`	`Patlabor221`	`winzip`
`00:44.22`	`sussudio`	`tar too?`
`00:44.22`	`Patlabor221`	`it will undo it all`
`00:44.25`	`Patlabor221`	`yeah`
`00:44.40`	`fiberchunks`	`oo, Patlabor221: I noticed last night that you said you could lay your hands on PIII slot a's ? that true?`
`00:44.47`	`sussudio`	`well what is he going to do with the source anyway?`
`00:45.01`	`sussudio`	`fiberchunks: slot a=AMD`
`00:45.05`	`Patlabor221`	`we can order anything`
`00:45.10`	`Patlabor221`	`you need slot 1s?`
`00:45.14`	`fiberchunks`	`sorry, slot 1`
`00:45.19`	`Patlabor221`	`old slow stuff`
`00:45.32`	`Patlabor221`	`what do you need?`
`00:45.34`	`fiberchunks`	`yes -- how much would it cost me for 3 650 slot 1, do you know`
`00:46.17`	`sussudio`	`you can get one of those via epia 9000 boards with a 933mhz cpu on it for 170 bucks all-in`
`00:46.17`	`*** join/#bzflag SpacemanSpiff (~3faae3d0@chat.ircnet.org)`
`00:46.27`	`Patlabor221`	`ooffa looks like our suplyer don't cary slot1s no more`
`00:46.29`	`Patlabor221`	`let me llok`
`00:46.45`	`SpacemanSpiff`	`Geez my pc is dumb`
`00:46.55`	`Patlabor221`	`we don't get great prices on everything`
`00:46.58`	`fiberchunks`	`well, if the procs are cheap, then it's not worth it for me to replace the smp and single slot mobos I currently have`
`00:47.19`	`Patlabor221`	`650?`
`00:47.26`	`Patlabor221`	`man noone's got those`
`00:47.26`	`fiberchunks`	`yeah`
`00:47.34`	`fiberchunks`	`heh -- thought so`
`00:47.35`	`Patlabor221`	`searching`
`00:48.15`	`Patlabor221`	`$75 a pop from team express in CA.`
`00:48.25`	`Patlabor221`	`shto that's 370`
`00:48.32`	`fiberchunks`	`lol`
`00:48.44`	`Patlabor221`	`$124`
`00:48.54`	`Patlabor221`	`maybe as low as 115`
`00:49.00`	`fiberchunks`	`aiee! that's alotta loot for a 650`
`00:49.07`	`Patlabor221`	`SECC2`
`00:49.11`	`Patlabor221`	`they arn't made anymore`
`00:49.23`	`fiberchunks`	`damn, guess I should find a cheap smp board to replace the one I have`
`00:49.25`	`Patlabor221`	`old stuff goes up when it's outa produection`
`00:49.33`	`fiberchunks`	`ah`
`00:49.39`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`hm, people trash-talking meq/`
`00:49.40`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`?`
`00:49.53`	`Patlabor221`	`and when stuff like durrons are $35 for a 1.2 giger`
`00:50.09`	`SpacemanSpiff`	`What is meq anyway?????`
`00:50.17`	`fiberchunks`	`this is most likely a retarded question -- but are there smp boards for durons?`
`00:50.19`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`it is`
`00:50.38`	`Patlabor221`	`smp = multi processor?`
`00:50.40`	`SpacemanSpiff`	`Oy... I mean.. what does meq stand for????`
`00:50.40`	`fiberchunks`	`yes`
`00:50.51`	`Patlabor221`	`for surrons I don't think so`
`00:50.54`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`SpacemanSpiff: thats a good question`
`00:50.57`	`Patlabor221`	`for XP's mabye`
`00:51.09`	`SpacemanSpiff`	`thinks Isn't that your team????`
`00:51.11`	`fiberchunks`	`yeah, I know that -- but the cost is prohibitive imgo`
`00:51.11`	`scanline`	`Mayonnaise Equivalence Quotient`
`00:51.18`	`fiberchunks`	`s/imgo/imho`
`00:51.34`	`Patlabor221`	`XP 1600's are like $45`
`00:52.00`	`fiberchunks`	`not the proc itself, the board -- last time I checked they were around 200 a whack`
`00:52.55`	`Patlabor221`	`I don't know, we don't do much with multi processor boards`
`00:53.13`	`scanline`	`I got my SMP motherboard for around $200`
`00:53.15`	`Patlabor221`	`since PC's are soo cheap, it's easyer to just make multiple machines`
`00:54.36`	`bzdoug_`	`QUACK!`
`00:54.53`	`Patlabor221`	`finaly lost it? eh doug?`
`00:55.20`	`bzdoug_`	`eh? dint know you was canadian`
`00:55.26`	`Patlabor221`	`it's not JUST a canadian saying you know.`
`00:55.45`	`Patlabor221`	`and I like to think of myself as multicultural.`
`00:55.45`	`fiberchunks`	`well, I suppose I could pick up a couple o ecsk7s5a's and slap a couple of 1600's on there - new ps, new everything - gah...`
`00:56.09`	`Patlabor221`	`Ilove that board`
`00:56.10`	`bzdoug_`	`fiberchunks: I got my athlonXP 1700+mobo for 140`
`00:56.15`	`bzdoug_`	`ebay`
`00:56.33`	`fiberchunks`	`bzdoug_: cool -- thanx - with or without ram`
`00:56.42`	`bzdoug_`	`without`
`00:56.45`	`bzdoug_`	`I had to get some ram too`
`00:56.47`	`bzdoug_`	`DDR`
`00:56.58`	`Patlabor221`	`looks like the S5a is runnin about $50`
`00:57.02`	`bzdoug_`	`but you can get a mobo that uses reg ram`
`00:57.24`	`Patlabor221`	`the s5a supports DDR and sdram`
`00:57.26`	`fiberchunks`	`what kind of ps are you running it on? I've got a 2100+ w/ a 450 w p/s, but I think I could go lower for a 1700`
`00:57.35`	`fiberchunks`	`yeah, just built one for my father`
`00:57.35`	`bzdoug_`	`250 watt`
`00:57.47`	`fiberchunks`	`really -- that low -- no power problems?`
`00:57.48`	`sussudio`	`eep`
`00:57.51`	`Patlabor221`	`I've run them as low as 200`
`00:57.51`	`bzdoug_`	`nah`
`00:57.51`	`sussudio`	`250 watt?????/`
`00:57.53`	`bzdoug_`	`runs fine`
`00:58.02`	`Patlabor221`	`tho don't put many drives in it`
`00:58.22`	`fiberchunks`	`well, there's the juice -- need many drives (scsi array - 8 disks currently)`
`00:58.27`	`Patlabor221`	`we ship 350's with all our durron and XP systems and people have no problems`
`00:58.37`	`fiberchunks`	`that's what I was thinking`
`00:58.56`	`fiberchunks`	`Patlabor221: who the manufacturer on those p/s?`
`00:59.01`	`fiberchunks`	`sparkle?`
`00:59.10`	`Patlabor221`	`not sure they come in the cases`
`00:59.16`	`fiberchunks`	`ah`
`00:59.27`	`Patlabor221`	`ou cheap ass $17 cases :)`
`00:59.32`	`fiberchunks`	`hehe`
`00:59.46`	`Patlabor221`	`ohh no they are up to 23 now since they have front side USB`
`00:59.55`	`Patlabor221`	`or 22 I don't remember`
`00:59.57`	`fiberchunks`	`what's your comp. name? and are you local to the US? I'd prefer to buy from someone I know`
`01:00.16`	`Patlabor221`	`we just sell under the name RGPSales`
`01:00.31`	`Patlabor221`	`http://www.rgpsales.com/`
`01:00.36`	`fiberchunks`	`ahhhh, k, thx`
`01:00.50`	`Patlabor221`	`tho I think that the systems that are there are not all we have`
`01:01.28`	`fiberchunks`	`do you get any extra for making self-sales?`
`01:01.34`	`Patlabor221`	`me naw`
`01:01.44`	`fiberchunks`	`phoo`
`01:01.58`	`Patlabor221`	`I don't realy do much with the sales part`
`01:02.15`	`Patlabor221`	`well let me know what you want and I have have sean make you a quote`
`01:02.26`	`fiberchunks`	`good deal, thanx`
`01:02.38`	`Patlabor221`	`he's rather reasonable when peopel I know want to buy stuff`
`01:03.59`	`fiberchunks`	`I'll be getting back in touch with you in prob a month or so then`
`01:04.13`	`Patlabor221`	`no problem`
`01:10.26`	`Patlabor221`	`if you don't like it, you cancel it, and your out $7`
`01:10.51`	`bzdoug_`	`but I want to know if its worth the trouble of setting up a paypal debit card`
`01:11.02`	`Patlabor221`	`that I don't know`
`01:11.12`	`Patlabor221`	`I didn't think it was THAT exciting`
`01:11.13`	`bzdoug_`	`hm`
`01:11.20`	`bzdoug_`	`of corse`
`01:11.25`	`Patlabor221`	`tho they did a good job of ripping off BZs interface`
`01:11.33`	`Patlabor221`	`and it's more complex`
`01:11.37`	`bzdoug_`	`I bet you think watching corn grow is borring too`
`01:12.04`	`Patlabor221`	`notice I don't live in your state, and I got out as SOON as I coudld for the day that I was there`
`01:12.14`	`bzdoug_`	`ah`
`01:12.34`	`sussudio`	`kensucky`
`01:12.46`	`sussudio`	`SOLDIER BOY`
`01:12.47`	`bzdoug_`	`sussucks`
`01:17.00`	`Noodleman`	`hey doug`
`01:17.07`	`bzdoug_`	`greetings`
`01:17.14`	`Noodleman`	`what's up?`
`01:17.22`	`bzdoug_`	`nothin`
`01:18.05`	`Noodleman`	`i've been playing too much bz today`
`01:18.11`	`bzdoug_`	`lol`
`01:18.12`	`Noodleman`	`now, my mind is mush`
`01:19.26`	`fiberchunks`	`any of you all network gurus?`
`01:19.47`	`bzdoug_`	`nope`
`01:20.03`	`Patlabor221`	`guru? as in have our own networking religion?`
`01:20.23`	`Patlabor221`	`church of the later day packets`
`01:20.41`	`fiberchunks`	`lol`
`01:21.05`	`Patlabor221`	`lo and the ping did go forth and multiply`
`01:21.08`	`Patlabor221`	`and it was good`
`01:21.33`	`fiberchunks`	`that's my prob -- my pings are not going forth and multiplying`
`01:21.44`	`Patlabor221`	`then your pings suck`
`01:21.48`	`Patlabor221`	`they should try harder`
`01:21.49`	`fiberchunks`	`heh`
`01:22.17`	`Patlabor221`	`still can't get outside people to see your server?`
`01:22.47`	`fiberchunks`	`no, not that -- I have a smoothwall box that I'm trying to get running in a test environment, and I can't ping the dmz interface`
`01:23.07`	`Patlabor221`	`then that is way outa my leauge`
`01:23.08`	`fiberchunks`	`get the 'destination port unreachable' nonsense -- I've googled on it, but turned up nada`
`01:23.27`	`bzdoug_`	`your toast`
`01:23.29`	`Patlabor221`	`I'm only good at fucking with my company's IS dept realy.`
`01:23.44`	`fiberchunks`	`hehe`
`01:23.54`	`Patlabor221`	`and that's a very easy thing to do`
`01:24.03`	`Patlabor221`	`sounds like someone is blokcing somehting`
`01:24.21`	`fiberchunks`	`that may be -- but I'm also wondering if it's a resource conflict`
`01:24.42`	`bzdoug_`	`ip conflick`
`01:24.43`	`fiberchunks`	`of course, as descriptive as that error message is, I must be an idiot for not being able to magically decipher it's meaning`
`01:25.00`	`bzdoug_`	`of course`
`01:25.03`	`fiberchunks`	`and the rfc, really lends no help`
`01:25.47`	`Patlabor221`	`well it dosnt' sound like a ip confict`
`01:25.54`	`Patlabor221`	`it could be that something has the port open`
`01:26.12`	`Patlabor221`	`you took your linksys box outa the loop?`
`01:26.26`	`fiberchunks`	`not anywhere near the loop -- this is an isolated environment`
`01:27.20`	`Patlabor221`	`and this is a linux machine with 2 nics runnig a firewall/nat thing?`
`01:28.18`	`fiberchunks`	`3 nics actually -- but yet`
`01:28.23`	`fiberchunks`	`s/yet/yed`
`01:28.32`	`fiberchunks`	`s/yed/yes -- jeezus!`
`01:29.18`	`Patlabor221`	`3?`
`01:29.20`	`Patlabor221`	`wow`
`01:29.36`	`bzdoug_`	`aha!`
`01:29.36`	`Patlabor221`	`and your sure it's set up to use all the right cards?`
`01:29.39`	`bzdoug_`	`its not routing!`
`01:29.43`	`bzdoug_`	`:P`
`01:29.52`	`fiberchunks`	`lol, thank you`
`01:29.58`	`Patlabor221`	`doug do you like making your self look MORE like an idiot?`
`01:30.41`	`fiberchunks`	`yes - all three were setup and recognized by the install process - and all have been assigned the appropriate adresses, etc`
`01:31.01`	`Patlabor221`	`what is it, internal external and trusted?`
`01:31.43`	`fiberchunks`	`yeah- that's kind of it internal, WAN, DMZ`
`01:31.51`	`Patlabor221`	`yeah same thing`
`01:31.55`	`Patlabor221`	`DMZ is trusted`
`01:32.16`	`Patlabor221`	`and you have IP ranges for all the cards set?`
`01:32.32`	`fiberchunks`	`yup`
`01:33.29`	`Patlabor221`	`then I dono`
`01:33.39`	`Patlabor221`	`we use a hardware thingy that does that at work`
`01:33.43`	`bzdoug_`	`lol`
`01:33.53`	`bzdoug_`	`"hardware thingy"`
`01:34.09`	`fiberchunks`	`phoot, thx anywho :)`
`01:34.17`	`Patlabor221`	`yeah a hardware firebox`
`01:34.18`	`bzdoug_`	`lol`
`01:34.27`	`Patlabor221`	`same deal but all in a rackmount thing`
`01:34.37`	`Patlabor221`	`with a flux capacitor on the front`
`01:34.55`	`bzdoug_`	`ah`
`01:35.03`	`fiberchunks`	`does it have the organic nuclear fission device on the rear?`
`01:35.12`	`Patlabor221`	`no we just plug it in`
`01:35.18`	`bzdoug_`	`good`
`01:35.27`	`fiberchunks`	`heh`
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`03:38.09`	`*** join/#bzflag Patlabor221 (~jeffm@host-66-81-172-118.rev.o1.com)`
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`04:11.25`	`sussudio`	`next time i see knightmare on any bzcop server i'm banning his ass`
`04:14.14`	`Patlabor221`	`just his ass?`
`04:14.19`	`sussudio`	`yes`
`04:15.05`	`fiberchunks`	`what'd he do?`
`04:15.19`	`sussudio`	`ban me from his friggin cheatserver for not running a cheat client`
`04:15.29`	`Patlabor221`	`LOL`
`04:15.29`	`MrApathyCream`	`perhaps it's a filly... knight-'mare'`
`04:15.36`	`fiberchunks`	`which one is that, so I don't set foot there`
`04:15.46`	`sussudio`	`knightmare.limptesticles.com or something`
`04:15.48`	`fiberchunks`	`sorry, what'd he/she do`
`04:15.57`	`fiberchunks`	`interesting name`
`04:16.05`	`sussudio`	`~bzflist`
`04:16.14`	`fiberchunks`	`ah`
`04:16.15`	`sussudio`	`that one.`
`04:16.25`	`fiberchunks`	`cool game!`
`04:18.24`	`jzaun`	`god, that was a fun game`
`04:18.35`	`Patlabor221`	`why not just play the origonal?`
`04:18.41`	`fiberchunks`	`how, xmame?`
`04:18.42`	`Patlabor221`	`MAME is the best thing EVER`
`04:18.45`	`Patlabor221`	`yeah`
`04:18.58`	`fiberchunks`	`can't find the roms anywhere -- got a good source for em?`
`04:19.01`	`Patlabor221`	`game realy needs a trackball tho`
`04:19.56`	`Patlabor221`	`I usualy get them from the vault on classic gaming`
`04:20.05`	`fiberchunks`	`yes -- I'm trying to find a multi-button trackball that works really well with linux (i.e. > 5 buttons), but haven't found one yet`
`04:20.15`	`hardwire`	`hio`
`04:20.51`	`fiberchunks`	`my father just got a logitech mouseman marble, but we're having issues mapping the 'scroll' buttons to actually scroll`
`04:20.54`	`jzaun`	`heh, my ISP has a mame box in there office, its in an old arcade box with trac ball joysticks and buttons... really nice setup`
`04:21.40`	`jzaun`	`they coded up a nice menu system and everything`
`04:21.42`	`fiberchunks`	`mostly, I'd like one for bz -- I'd prob quit using the kb if I could find a good one`
`04:41.11`	`sussudio`	`grrrr`
`04:41.19`	`sussudio`	`why should someone on DSL lag 600ms on noodleroni`
`04:47.22`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`sussudio: because they're recieving 50 MsgShotBegin's per player per second`
`04:48.00`	`sussudio`	`it's on 2-shot :-\|`
`04:49.54`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`oop`
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`05:26.31`	`MrApathyCream`	`ls`
`05:26.37`	`MrApathyCream`	`oops`
`05:27.16`	`jzaun`	`ls -lh is better :-)`
`05:30.14`	`MrApathyCream`	`nothing of any value to look at anyway :)`
`05:34.29`	`*** join/#bzflag jzaun (~jzaun@jzaun.static.telerama.com)`
`05:43.18`	`MrApathyCream`	`jzaun: I like the patch except you removed the my name in big colored letters.... Now i can't remember what team i'm on`
`05:43.49`	`MrApathyCream`	`some compile errors on win32, diff file dcc'ed to you`
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`05:50.19`	`Newtype`	`hmm could color the happy face to show your team`
`05:50.52`	`Newtype`	`or color the "BZFLAG" logo thingy\`
`05:50.58`	`MrApathyCream`	`it needs to be BIG imo`
`05:51.21`	`MrApathyCream`	`i can eventually find my name in the scoreboard too, but that takes too long`
`05:51.37`	`Newtype`	`colored transpernat bar at the top of the HUD?`
`05:51.38`	`MrApathyCream`	`maybe the BZFlag logo`
`05:51.49`	`Newtype`	`I shall ponder it`
`05:51.53`	`Newtype`	`but now I must sleep`
`05:52.06`	`Newtype`	`and give the cat her medicne`
`05:52.09`	`jzaun`	`who is Newtype?`
`05:52.14`	`MrApathyCream`	`--a full life`
`05:52.15`	`Newtype`	`me`
`05:52.21`	`fiberchunks`	`heh`
`05:52.27`	`Newtype`	`he who makes things for you`
`05:52.27`	`jzaun`	`heh`
`05:52.36`	`Newtype`	`and realy just wanted to see if this name was taken`
`05:52.38`	`Newtype`	`and it's not`
`05:52.53`	`Newtype`	`here let me go back to normal`
`05:53.16`	`Fhwqugads`	`there that better :)`
`05:53.28`	`jzaun`	`:)`
`05:54.06`	`Fhwqugads`	`but realy I have an idea for team color now, I'll comp it out for you tomrow from the BZ logo one`
`05:54.12`	`Fhwqugads`	`see ya`
`06:08.54`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`"Be ware! Spiff is on the patrol again!!!"`
`06:09.22`	`fiberchunks`	`heh`
`06:10.17`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`he really doesn't realize how rediculous he sounds`
`06:12.56`	`fiberchunks`	`hehe .. patrol more -- wonder how long he's been 'in country'`
`06:18.25`	`scanline`	`Beware... Spiff is on the petrol again, and I have a match!`
`06:18.31`	`MrApathyCream`	`(EE) Screens found, but none have a usable configuration.`
`06:19.03`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`scanline: =)`
`06:19.46`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`scanline: is Vector3 scripted into a tuple?`
`06:20.05`	`scanline`	`proton[BGDFH]: not yet`
`06:20.49`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`ok, 'twill need that`
`06:20.56`	`scanline`	`proton[BGDFH]: It has set() and get() functions IIRC, no operator[] since I don't think boost makes that easy`
`06:21.38`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`we're gonna have such a huge binary once we compile it static`
`06:22.06`	`scanline`	`have you svn up'ed recently? I got it compiling to 'jetstream' instead of 'JetEngine.so', makes it easier to debug`
`06:22.43`	`scanline`	`there's a very small main.cpp that sets up the python path and inits the JetEngine module, then control is passed to startup.py`
`06:23.19`	`scanline`	`brb`
`06:24.46`	`*** join/#bzflag BZFlag (timr@rikers.org)`
`06:25.17`	`*** mode/#bzflag [+o BZFlag] by ChanServ`
`06:25.42`	`MrApathyCream`	`ok, so what's the incantation to get a usable screen configuration?`
`06:26.27`	`fiberchunks`	`what does XF86Config look like?`
`06:27.04`	`MrApathyCream`	`bugger all, i dunno`
`06:27.28`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`BZFlag: http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/big.diff`
`06:27.35`	`fiberchunks`	`vi /etc/X11/XF86Config-4`
`06:27.39`	`jzaun`	`well it looks like a file with alot of letters and numbers in it`
`06:27.55`	`jzaun`	`kinda big, and really not all the human readable`
`06:28.39`	`MrApathyCream`	`hmm there's a Section "Screen"`
`06:28.46`	`MrApathyCream`	`with a bunch of depth/modes in them`
`06:29.00`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`BZFlag: big picture: boolean->bool, AList->std::(vector/stack), BzfString->std::string`
`06:29.11`	`BZFlag`	`proton[BGDFH]: yowser`
`06:29.30`	`fiberchunks`	`hrm -- any other errors in your log?`
`06:29.33`	`scanline`	`proton[BGDFH]: you added "#pragma warning"s?`
`06:29.56`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`scanline: that was added in an earlier version of these changes by patlabor`
`06:30.04`	`scanline`	`oh, ok`
`06:30.11`	`scanline`	`didn't think it was like you to add things like that :)`
`06:30.17`	`MrApathyCream`	`(EE) VESA(0) No matching modes`
`06:30.26`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`scanline: little did you know, i've switched to VS.NET!`
`06:30.27`	`MrApathyCream`	`(II) Unloading /user/X11R6/lib/modules/libvgahw.a`
`06:30.27`	`scanline`	`MrApathyCream: is that 4.x or 3.x?`
`06:30.36`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`g++ is just too user-unfriendly`
`06:30.37`	`MrApathyCream`	`4 or 3 of what?`
`06:30.43`	`fiberchunks`	`version of X`
`06:30.46`	`scanline`	`proton[BGDFH]: that would be quite scary`
`06:30.56`	`MrApathyCream`	`how would iknow?`
`06:31.00`	`fiberchunks`	`look at the top of the log file`
`06:31.28`	`MrApathyCream`	`just dumped to screen --fell of the top`
`06:31.29`	`scanline`	`MrApathyCream: if it's 3.x, you're using the wrong X server.. if it's 4.x, you're using the wrong driver. You probably don't really want the VESA driver`
`06:31.31`	`MrApathyCream`	`where's the log file`
`06:31.44`	`MrApathyCream`	`It's a STB Velocity`
`06:31.47`	`fiberchunks`	`/var/log/XFree86.0.log`
`06:31.48`	`MrApathyCream`	`crappy old thing`
`06:32.01`	`fiberchunks`	`usually`
`06:32.14`	`scanline`	`hmm.. seems 90% of all people that have problems with X are on crappy old things :)`
`06:32.20`	`fiberchunks`	`hehe`
`06:32.50`	`MrApathyCream`	`XFree86 4.1.0.1`
`06:33.10`	`scanline`	`MrApathyCream: you probably want the SVGA driver or something`
`06:33.12`	`BZFlag`	`proton[BGDFH]: no functionality changes in that patch?`
`06:33.37`	`MrApathyCream`	`scanline: Ok, how i change that... not reinstall i hope`
`06:33.38`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`BZFlag: nope - just a bunch of cleanup - fixes a lot of things like the scary scary pointer stuff in address parsing`
`06:34.58`	`fiberchunks`	`MrApathyCream: what driver are you using for that card?`
`06:35.16`	`MrApathyCream`	`isn't that what i'm trying to configure?`
`06:35.30`	`MrApathyCream`	`you tell me`
`06:35.39`	`fiberchunks`	`#lsmod`
`06:35.42`	`scanline`	`MrApathyCream: it's in XF86Config`
`06:35.56`	`scanline`	`fiberchunks: lsmod? no....`
`06:36.31`	`fiberchunks`	`oh no, wait -- won't load the driver if X borks -- my bad`
`06:36.58`	`scanline`	`fiberchunks: the kernel modules are only for DRI, and only on some cards.. it has nothing to do with the X modules`
`06:37.01`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`bwahaha, alut`
`06:37.15`	`scanline`	`proton[BGDFH]: deciphering examples?`
`06:37.20`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`scanline: yep`
`06:37.26`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`actually writing code now`
`06:37.31`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`hmm`
`06:37.32`	`scanline`	`alut always makes me think of "address lookup table"...`
`06:37.44`	`MrApathyCream`	`Generic Video Card?`
`06:37.49`	`scanline`	`proton[BGDFH]: I know the busybox vi works, I don't think vim does`
`06:38.23`	`fiberchunks`	`scanline: thx for that -- didn't realize :(`
`06:38.30`	`scanline`	`fiberchunks: no problem`
`06:38.54`	`MrApathyCream`	`board recognized as NVidia/SGS-Thomson Riva 128 Rev 16 in log`
`06:39.23`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`http://jetstream.babylonia.flatirons.org/download/vim.png`
`06:39.35`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`didn't clear the screen properly when i started it but a ctrl+l fixed it`
`06:39.46`	`scanline`	`that color scheme could use some contrast`
`06:39.56`	`scanline`	`oh yeah, you use a black-on-white terminal usually...`
`06:40.00`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`uhhuh`
`06:40.15`	`scanline`	`if you have a picogui source tree handy, there's a "term_white" theme to change that`
`06:41.13`	`scanline`	`you can load it over TCP/IP with the "themedemo" app after compiling it, or you can stick it in the list of themes in EmbeddedPGserver`
`06:41.32`	`scanline`	`or we could add a doodad for changing the color scheme in the console UI`
`06:44.36`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`ooooooooOOOOOoo`
`06:44.37`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`purdy`
`06:44.43`	`scanline`	`hehe`
`06:45.43`	`tvon`	`Okay, are there any flags on any map that can alter the height of a jump? or your "gravity" ???`
`06:46.04`	`sussudio`	`obesity?`
`06:46.05`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`http://jetstream.babylonia.flatirons.org/download/vim.png`
`06:46.09`	`MrApathyCream`	`tvon: no but there was a bug 1.7e6 that did this`
`06:46.15`	`tvon`	`k`
`06:46.21`	`tvon`	`tis what I thought`
`06:46.27`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`thats a crisp terminal :)`
`06:46.29`	`tvon`	`trying to educate someone but they insist`
`06:46.30`	`tvon`	`oh well`
`06:47.24`	`MrApathyCream`	`this stinks`
`06:51.23`	`sussudio`	`doug's feet?`
`06:52.03`	`MrApathyCream`	`how debian doesn't just install itself like a real operating system. hmmm, lessee, like, mmmm, windows?`
`06:52.32`	`sussudio`	`i'm going to ignore that comment.`
`06:53.01`	`scanline`	`proton[BGDFH]: cool! I wish I could write terminals that well antialiased :)`
`06:53.22`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`hehe`
`06:54.01`	`fiberchunks`	`MrApathyCream: try xf86Config, and select the svga server when it asks for it -- that may help`
`06:54.09`	`fiberchunks`	`or your card`
`06:55.04`	`MrApathyCream`	`xf86Config: command not found`
`06:55.16`	`sussudio`	`dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 :-\|`
`06:55.17`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`echo $PATH \|grep X11`
`06:55.29`	`scanline`	`isn't it a lowercase "c"?`
`06:55.42`	`scanline`	`try typing "xf86" then tapping tab a couple times`
`06:55.44`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`true`
`06:55.50`	`fiberchunks`	`absolutely is, my bad`
`06:56.05`	`sussudio`	`dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 :-B`
`06:56.11`	`MrApathyCream`	`xf86 tab gives xf86c`
`06:56.13`	`MrApathyCream`	`but not found`
`06:56.19`	`MrApathyCream`	`dpkg-reconfigure not found`
`06:56.31`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`MrApathyCream: what about xf86 tab tab?`
`06:56.34`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`(should show options)`
`06:57.05`	`MrApathyCream`	`ok, that did something`
`06:57.37`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`hmm`
`06:58.10`	`sussudio`	`MrApathyCream: what the hell did you install?`
`06:58.23`	`MrApathyCream`	`shrug`
`06:58.28`	`MrApathyCream`	`debian`
`06:58.30`	`sussudio`	`something from the 90's?`
`06:58.36`	`sussudio`	`how can you NOT have debconf`
`06:58.45`	`MrApathyCream`	`shrug`
`06:58.50`	`MrApathyCream`	`just got it three days ago`
`06:58.54`	`sussudio`	`snort.`
`06:59.41`	`sussudio`	`cat /etc/debian_version`
`07:00.29`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`hah..in one irc channel i hang out in, everyone is now obsessed with "making their own" round IDE cables - by cutting apart ribbons and taping together`
`07:00.44`	`scanline`	`no IDC crimping folks?`
`07:01.02`	`sussudio`	`proton[BGDFH]: #crashmyhd ?`
`07:01.14`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`sussudio: non OPN folk`
`07:01.23`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`oh bah`
`07:01.37`	`sussudio`	`they are aware of the fact that you have to twist them in a certain way, right?`
`07:01.45`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`nope`
`07:01.50`	`sussudio`	`gasp.`
`07:01.56`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`i'm not sure they know about the crosstalk issues involved`
`07:02.09`	`sussudio`	`that should be fun.`
`07:02.24`	`scanline`	`we'll just have to hope they don't know how to use hard disk DMA, so their drives will be so slow it won't matter :)`
`07:03.22`	`fiberchunks`	`tried that once on a junk box and hd I had lying around -- don't know what it gets you -- but it was fun to mutilate a cable :)`
`07:04.03`	`MrApathyCream`	`cat /etc/debian_version -> 3.0`
`07:04.14`	`sussudio`	`...`
`07:04.24`	`MrApathyCream`	`doing config resulted in the same exact problem`
`07:04.31`	`sussudio`	`what does apt-get install debconf say?`
`07:05.00`	`MrApathyCream`	`need to be root, changing`
`07:05.08`	`sussudio`	`su root`
`07:05.29`	`MrApathyCream`	`sorry, debconf is already the newest version`
`07:06.10`	`tvon`	`"numbers boy" seems to have developed bots...and theyre on turkey`
`07:06.16`	`fiberchunks`	`goody`
`07:06.19`	`tvon`	`yeah`
`07:06.36`	`MrApathyCream`	`hmmm, wait xfconfiggy or whatever wrote the file into my home directory`
`07:06.51`	`MrApathyCream`	`/home/dave/XF86Config`
`07:06.54`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`well KP is just gonna have to dictator them off then`
`07:07.01`	`fiberchunks`	`and he did`
`07:09.08`	`sussudio`	`XF86Config-4 is in /etc/X11`
`07:09.59`	`MrApathyCream`	`do people actually enjoy this? I must be too old`
`07:10.12`	`fiberchunks`	`lol`
`07:10.27`	`scanline`	`hehe`
`07:11.17`	`scanline`	`If you take the time to get used to it, you'll appreciate the power`
`07:11.31`	`MrApathyCream`	`i don't think i'll get there`
`07:11.37`	`scanline`	`after using linux for years now, I feel crippled any time I have to use windows`
`07:11.48`	`scanline`	`and I think most linux developers feel the same way`
`07:11.52`	`MrApathyCream`	`the black screen with white text has been worth it tho`
`07:11.53`	`sussudio`	`windows doesnt have virtual consoles :-P`
`07:12.21`	`scanline`	`indeed. If a windows program grabs your mouse, goes fullscreen, and hangs in an infinite loop, there's no virtual console to save you`
`07:12.36`	`MrApathyCream`	`ctrl-alt-del`
`07:12.38`	`sussudio`	`snurt.`
`07:12.43`	`MrApathyCream`	`taskman`
`07:12.49`	`sussudio`	`windows 2000 doesnt let you kill stupid programs.`
`07:13.11`	`MrApathyCream`	`i never have problems, maybe i don't use stupid proggies`
`07:14.10`	`sussudio`	`i can kill bzflag by killing the xserver if it misbehaves`
`07:14.15`	`scanline`	`MrApathyCream: yes`
`07:14.24`	`MrApathyCream`	`maybe that's a better plan for me`
`07:14.26`	`scanline`	`you can use cygwin to compile a linux cross-gcc`
`07:14.33`	`scanline`	`but it isn't pretty`
`07:14.36`	`MrApathyCream`	`ug, cygwin stinks`
`07:14.50`	`scanline`	`windows with cygwin is better than windows without cygwin`
`07:15.00`	`MrApathyCream`	`heh`
`07:15.31`	`MrApathyCream`	`i just kill bzflag in task manager`
`07:15.50`	`sussudio`	`yes, except that leaves you with a fucked up gamma on the desktop`
`07:16.11`	`sussudio`	`if you can even get to the task manager.`
`07:16.23`	`MrApathyCream`	`you can just bring up control panel, and it resets`
`07:16.39`	`MrApathyCream`	`You can always get to the task manager, in fact your can also windows-key out of bzflag`
`07:16.46`	`sussudio`	`nope.`
`07:17.02`	`MrApathyCream`	`BZFlag is very clean in that regard`
`07:17.33`	`sussudio`	`the only way to get out of bzflag when it's stuck trying to connect to a server, is somehow get a command prompt, navigate your way to the bzflag directory blindly and starting a second bzflag.`
`07:17.56`	`MrApathyCream`	`nah you just kill it with task man`
`07:18.04`	`fiberchunks`	`in win, or lin?`
`07:18.06`	`sussudio`	`you CANT GET to task man.`
`07:18.10`	`fiberchunks`	`win, nm`
`07:18.11`	`MrApathyCream`	`sure you can`
`07:18.13`	`MrApathyCream`	`win`
`07:18.21`	`sussudio`	`it will not give you a screen outside bzflag.`
`07:18.54`	`MrApathyCream`	`sure, you can go anywhere, you 'could' even debug it, and go to MSVC`
`07:19.05`	`MrApathyCream`	`BZFlag never hangs the systems`
`07:31.09`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`BZFlag: ?`
`07:31.48`	`*** join/#bzflag scan[pg] (~micah@12-252-164-11.client.attbi.com)`
`07:32.25`	`scan[pg]`	`hmm`
`07:32.58`	`*** join/#bzflag anotherScanline (~micah@12-252-164-11.client.attbi.com)`
`07:34.09`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`MrsBZFlag must have him occupied`
`07:49.51`	`BZFlag`	`what's the question?`
`07:50.00`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`can i commit this monster?`
`07:50.08`	`BZFlag`	`background shade?`
`07:50.10`	`BZFlag`	`hmm.`
`07:50.51`	`BZFlag`	`oh, the "big"? well, i've not read the whole thing, but most of it looks sane. let's do it.`
`08:05.32`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`welp, the damage is done`
`08:45.55`	`scanline`	`burgerspace?`
`08:46.05`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`scanline: x11 clone of burgertime`
`08:46.11`	`scanline`	`burgertime?`
`08:46.16`	`vogon`	`hah.`
`08:46.27`	`vogon`	`scanline: you play a cook.`
`08:46.32`	`vogon`	`scanline: who has to assemble burgers.`
`08:46.33`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`old arcade game somewhat almost related to lode runner`
`08:46.36`	`vogon`	`scanline: that's it, really.`
`08:46.54`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`best 2-bit color game ever`
`08:47.29`	`scanline`	`the game gives you the order of the burger pieces, and you have to assemble them in the right order in a time limit, with ever-increasing burger heights?`
`08:47.46`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`...no`
`08:47.52`	`scanline`	`oh`
`08:47.59`	`scanline`	`then I have no clue :)`
`08:48.17`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`well - install it`
`08:48.19`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`fun little sdl game`
`08:49.42`	`scanline`	`haha.. "I know the name "gengameng" sucks. Don't rub it in."`
`08:50.41`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`whoop!`
`08:50.57`	`scanline`	`you want cuecats? I probably have three of them...`
`08:51.08`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`nah`
`08:51.11`	`scanline`	`http://webqcat.sf.net :)`
`08:51.14`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`hey its one of the wired prerelease ones too`
`08:51.42`	`scanline`	`I wonder if that old site still works.. I haven't touched it in years`
`08:52.37`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`want me to try? :)`
`08:52.52`	`scanline`	`if you feel like it... I don't plan on updating it if it doesn't work :)`
`08:54.18`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`looks like it works`
`08:54.23`	`scanline`	`hmm.. the dcnv.com option almost certainly won't work, considering that server only has a placeholder page`
`08:54.26`	`fiberchunks`	`ahhh, lode runner -- I used to play that by the day on an apple IIe`
`08:54.35`	`fiberchunks`	`morning, evening, whatever all`
`08:54.57`	`scanline`	`ha`
`08:55.16`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`hmm`
`08:55.26`	`fiberchunks`	`can't sleep -- again.`
`08:56.06`	`fiberchunks`	`do either of you have any good recs for a comprehensive 'decoding IPtables' type resource?`
`08:57.14`	`vogon`	`man iptables.`
`08:57.34`	`fiberchunks`	`I knew I should've said, 'besides the man pages'`
`08:57.52`	`vogon`	`info iptables.`
`08:58.13`	`scanline`	`hmm, burgerspace is similar to pac-man in the fact that I'm no good at it`
`08:58.22`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`scanline: its a tricky game`
`08:58.25`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`trickier than pac-man`
`08:58.28`	`sussudio`	`fiberchunks: /usr/share/doc/iptables`
`08:58.34`	`fiberchunks`	`lol`
`08:58.36`	`vogon`	`sussudio: fuck, you beat me.`
`08:58.41`	`vogon`	`err.`
`08:58.42`	`vogon`	`damn.`
`08:58.44`	`vogon`	`darn.`
`08:58.47`	`vogon`	`whatever.`
`08:58.52`	`vogon`	`(omg don't kick me.`
`08:58.53`	`vogon`	`)`
`08:58.58`	`scanline`	`oh, you can mush the walking food products with the burger constituents`
`08:59.18`	`vogon`	`OK,`
`08:59.30`	`vogon`	`zcat /usr/share/man/man8/iptables.8.gz \| less`
`08:59.38`	`fiberchunks`	`lol`
`09:00.09`	`vogon`	`if you can read troff.`
`09:00.20`	`sussudio`	`http://www.google.nl/search?q=decoding+iptables&ie=ISO-8859-1&hl=en&btnG=Google+Search`
`09:00.50`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`scanline: want a hint?`
`09:00.58`	`scanline`	`proton[BGDFH]: maybe?`
`09:01.07`	`fiberchunks`	`phoot - I did a search like that too -- wth, nothing of interest was returned -- ah well, thx sussudio`
`09:01.22`	`fiberchunks`	`but this looks good`
`09:01.53`	`sussudio`	`Talk with a Hamster`
`09:01.53`	`sussudio`	`Chat with artificial intelligence`
`09:01.53`	`sussudio`	`bot that specializes in Hamsters.`
`09:01.55`	`sussudio`	`google is weird.`
`09:02.06`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`get one of the food products on a burger constituent with you and then drop it`
`09:03.01`	`scanline`	`hehe`
`09:06.06`	`sussudio`	`things that can happen when you don't stop in time while playing bzflag:`
`09:06.07`	`sussudio`	`he informed me that she personally had witnessed a fellow admitted by her hospital to remove a deceased gerbil lodged in his rectum.`
`09:06.42`	`scanline`	`pythonesque`
`09:07.05`	`sussudio`	`thank god there's no such thing as spiff stuffing`
`09:13.08`	`sussudio`	`words to remember. "gerbilectomy"`
`09:20.18`	`scanline`	`good question`
`09:27.41`	`scanline`	`hrm.. svn conflicts...`
`09:27.51`	`scanline`	`oh, you already added term_white`
`09:28.09`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`ya`
`09:28.35`	`scanline`	`hrm.. svn is unhappy about this`
`09:28.47`	`scanline`	`ah`
`09:30.27`	`scanline`	`hmm.. I resolved a conflict in Makefile, but svn doesn't seem to think so`
`09:30.46`	`scanline`	`ah, svn resolve`
`09:32.43`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`?`
`09:32.50`	`scanline`	`now there's a menu`
`09:34.01`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`ah`
`09:36.06`	`scanline`	`complete with C-64 theme :)`
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`09:36.26`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`'wet' is nifty :)`
`09:36.32`	`scanline`	`indeed`
`09:37.59`	`scanline`	`file *`
`09:38.00`	`scanline`	`oops`
`09:38.25`	`scanline`	`hehe.. file doesn't know any of the formats in our 'data' directory`
`09:39.49`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`no surprise there`
`09:39.58`	`BZFlag`	`rlaser.rgb: SGI image data, RLE, 3-D, 64 x 64, 4 channels\`
`09:40.01`	`BZFlag`	`works here.`
`09:40.13`	`BZFlag`	`shock.wav: RIFF (little-endian) data, WAVE audio, Microsoft PCM, 16 bit, stereo 22050 Hz`
`09:40.19`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`BZFlag: jetstream's data directory`
`09:40.38`	`scanline`	`holographic.th: data`
`09:40.38`	`scanline`	`hud.wt: data`
`09:40.38`	`scanline`	`mainmenu.wt: data`
`09:40.53`	`scanline`	`all the things in 'data' so far are picogui formats :)`
`09:40.56`	`BZFlag`	`well that's what you get for having a lame version of file.`
`09:41.01`	`scanline`	`it recognizes the fonts and music of course`
`09:41.01`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`BZFlag: you'd like our in-game console :)`
`09:41.18`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`python command line, text editor that can run python scripts, shell...`
`09:41.23`	`BZFlag`	`ah... pg stuff. not bz stuff.`
`09:42.13`	`scanline`	`I should submit picogui's file formats to the file maintainer.. they're simple enough to identify`
`09:46.24`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`scanline: need...more...sg1`
`09:46.40`	`scanline`	`oh. I should have one more ripped`
`09:47.21`	`scanline`	`ooh`
`09:47.37`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`?`
`09:47.39`	`scanline`	`"message in a bottle" is a good one, though I think you've already seen it`
`09:47.46`	`scanline`	`I think that's the one that just finished ripping`
`09:47.56`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`which is that again?`
`09:48.14`	`scanline`	`spherical device that stabs O'neill through the shoulder`
`09:48.21`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`oh right`
`09:48.35`	`scanline`	`oh, maybe I forgot to start it ripping`
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`09:49.52`	`scanline`	`I have through 206 on navi`
`09:50.02`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`seen 206`
`09:50.06`	`scanline`	`ok`
`09:50.08`	`scanline`	`then you'll have to wait :)`
`09:50.27`	`scanline`	`or you could watch the postage stamp version`
`09:50.45`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`hah`
`09:51.03`	`ak\|ra`	`moin`
`09:53.09`	`scanline`	`gonkulator: 12345`
`09:53.17`	`BZFlag`	`/usr/bin/g++ -D_BSD_SOURCE -D_POSIX_SOURCE -DHALF_RATE_AUDIO -DXF86VIDMODE_EXT -DXIJOYSTICK -I/usr/include -I/usr/X11R6/include -Wall -W -fno-exceptions -fno-rtti -m486 -DVERSION=10707001 -DDEBUG_RENDERING -DROBOT -DINSTALL_DATA_DIR=\"/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/bzflag/data\" -I../../include -DDEBUG -g -c MainWindow.cxx`
`09:53.19`	`BZFlag`	`In file included from ../../include/global.h:21,`
`09:53.19`	`BZFlag`	`<PROTECTED>`
`09:53.19`	`BZFlag`	../../include/common.h: In function `static class string string_util::vformat(const char , void )':
`09:53.19`	`BZFlag`	../../include/common.h:151: implicit declaration of function `int vsprintf(...)'
`09:53.41`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`BZFlag: whoa...what are you compiling on?`
`09:55.07`	`BZFlag`	`debian unstable. gcc 2.95.4`
`09:56.04`	`BZFlag`	`the vsprintf warning should happen everywhere.`
`09:59.13`	`scanline`	`hmm.. I don't suppose anybody would have a windows binary of bzflag compiled with the flight simulator patch?`
`09:59.35`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`BZFlag: strange, i get no warnings whatsoever in 3.x`
`10:05.51`	`scanline`	`hehe.. gonkulator was supposed to be home by 10:00 PM, here it is past 3 AM and he's thinking about going home`
`10:08.28`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`hah`
`10:08.32`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`well, sleepy time for me`
`10:08.33`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`'night`
`10:09.12`	`ak\|ra`	`nbight`
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`10:36.18`	`scanline`	`http://jetstream.babylonia.flatirons.org/download/emerging_nonblurry.png`
`10:36.26`	`scanline`	`http://jetstream.babylonia.flatirons.org/download/tilted_google.png`
`10:36.33`	`scanline`	`http://jetstream.babylonia.flatirons.org/download/cmatrix.png`
`10:36.58`	`scanline`	`lots of fun can be had with a game with a built-in terminal emulator :)`
`10:38.21`	`scanline`	`http://jetstream.babylonia.flatirons.org/download/vim.png`
`10:41.31`	`vogon`	`d00d, you can play M-x tetris inside jetstream!`
`10:41.41`	`vogon`	`if emacs works, that is.`
`10:41.45`	`scanline`	`emacs still has problems with scrolling`
`10:41.50`	`scanline`	`the vt102 emulation isn't quite complete`
`10:42.45`	`scanline`	`ick.. emacs makes a mess of itself pretty quickly`
`10:42.58`	`scanline`	`vim somewhat works, but doesn't scroll properly`
`10:47.09`	`vogon`	`hmm.`
`10:47.13`	`vogon`	`anjuta can't grok namespaces.`
`10:47.21`	`scanline`	`what's anjuta?`
`10:47.43`	`vogon`	`GTK+ IDE.`
`10:47.44`	`scanline`	`oh.. developer IDE thingy`
`10:47.52`	`vogon`	`it's, like, the cool counterpart to KDevelop.`
`10:48.00`	`vogon`	`rather, it can't grok classes within namespaces.`
`10:48.27`	`scanline`	`http://jetstream.babylonia.flatirons.org/download/cmatrix.avi`
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`10:50.42`	`strayer`	`hi...`
`10:52.21`	`*** part/#bzflag jneves (~Really@a212-113-187-169.netcabo.pt)`
`11:06.43`	`BZFlag`	`seems the new code selfkills when GM and advancing.`
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`11:12.02`	`Big_Barrel`	`hi guys`
`11:14.37`	`strayer`	`hi Big_Barrel`
`11:14.49`	`*** join/#bzflag [TeA\|TrEE] (~Nicholas@pD9E96AD2.dip.t-dialin.net)`
`11:15.02`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`morning g��hn`
`11:15.27`	`strayer`	`[TeA\|TrEE]: moin du kruecke :)`
`11:20.07`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`lol`
`11:20.29`	`ak\|ra`	`seid wann das denn?`
`11:20.34`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`gestern`
`11:20.42`	`ak\|ra`	`kein pingu mehr?`
`11:20.45`	`ak\|ra`	`warum das nich?`
`11:20.47`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`noe :(`
`11:20.57`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`pingu alle in s�den`
`11:21.00`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`nein k.a.`
`11:21.06`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`die sind nie alle online`
`11:21.10`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`will matches spielen`
`11:22.11`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`heute morgen hatten wir ja au nen match`
`11:22.26`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`um ca. 12-1`
`11:22.27`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`od. so`
`11:24.37`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`ibot ducatictf`
`11:25.57`	`strayer`	`hm...`
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`13:05.02`	`*** topic/#bzflag is 1.7g0 "Holy Dancing Monkeys" released! Buy now and get two for the price of one! http://BZFlag.org/ \|\| Updated BZEdit Windows http://www.artemisgames.com/bzedit \|\| bzedit 2.1! http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/older/code/tarballs/ \|\| http://stats.bzflag.org/ \|\| http://www.chesco.com/~dbrosius/BZFlag/BZFlag.html \|\| "We have the one thing that only time can provide - mayonnaise"`
`13:05.02`	`*** mode/#bzflag [+o ibot] by ChanServ`
`13:39.31`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`ibot ducatictf`
`13:44.41`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`ibot ducatictf`
`13:52.05`	`Big_Barrel`	`ibot ducatictf`
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`14:20.19`	`*** join/#bzflag Noodleman (~3v1ln00dl@bc176248.bendcable.com)`
`14:21.00`	`Noodleman`	`~seen jzaun`
`14:21.05`		`jzaun is currently on #bzflag (8h 33m 55s). Has said a total of 5 messages. Is idling for 7h 53m 10s`
`14:21.07`	`Noodleman`	`~seen bzdoug_`
`14:21.08`		`bzdoug_ is currently on #bzflag (1d 7h 9m 26s). Has said a total of 201 messages. Is idling for 12h 45m 50s`
`14:24.04`	`Noodleman`	`hey doug`
`14:24.13`	`Noodleman`	`what's up?`
`14:24.20`	`bzdoug_`	`breakfast`
`14:24.22`	`bzdoug_`	`:)`
`14:24.31`	`Noodleman`	`hehe`
`14:24.38`	`bzdoug_`	`lol`
`14:24.50`	`Noodleman`	`breakfast should be down, not up`
`14:25.09`	`Noodleman`	`just thought you should know that :-)`
`14:25.18`	`bzdoug_`	`ooh`
`14:25.20`	`bzdoug_`	`yea`
`14:46.41`	`Big_Barrel`	`:)`
`14:46.56`	`Big_Barrel`	`hey doug`
`14:47.06`	`Big_Barrel`	`why is your team scared?`
`14:47.33`	`Noodleman`	`i've been trying to peel his butt off his seat to go fight :-)`
`14:47.48`	`Big_Barrel`	`how about tonight?`
`14:47.52`	`Big_Barrel`	`my team is ready`
`14:48.04`	`Big_Barrel`	`we have a match with TLZ at 18.00 UTC`
`14:48.14`	`Big_Barrel`	`want to do it around this time?`
`14:48.23`	`Big_Barrel`	`it can be 2 on 2 if you want`
`14:48.43`	`Big_Barrel`	`?`
`14:48.46`	`Noodleman`	`i don't have time`
`14:48.54`	`Noodleman`	`gotta go to work :-(`
`14:48.54`	`Big_Barrel`	`r u chicken??`
`14:49.04`	`Big_Barrel`	`how about now then?`
`14:49.16`	`Noodleman`	`how long?`
`14:49.20`	`Big_Barrel`	`common all it takes is 30 min`
`14:49.32`	`Noodleman`	`i have to be ready to go bybthen`
`14:49.51`	`Big_Barrel`	`will you match then?`
`14:49.59`	`Big_Barrel`	`is that a yes?`
`14:50.03`	`Noodleman`	`if we can do it in ten minutes, sure`
`14:50.14`	`Big_Barrel`	`ok meet you at port 59999`
`14:50.24`	`Big_Barrel`	`ok?`
`14:50.24`	`Noodleman`	`i mean...`
`14:50.38`	`Noodleman`	`if it only lasts 10 minutes`
`14:50.40`	`Noodleman`	`no 30`
`14:50.51`	`Big_Barrel`	`it lasts 30min`
`14:50.54`	`Big_Barrel`	`common`
`14:50.58`	`Big_Barrel`	`plz?`
`14:51.03`	`Noodleman`	`sorry`
`14:51.04`	`Big_Barrel`	`only 30min i promise`
`14:51.12`	`Big_Barrel`	`no longer than 30min`
`14:51.16`	`Noodleman`	`i can't do it that long`
`14:51.20`	`Big_Barrel`	`CHICKEN`
`14:51.26`	`Big_Barrel`	`bock bock`
`14:51.29`	`Big_Barrel`	`CHICKEN`
`14:51.33`	`Noodleman`	`maybe 6:00 pacific?`
`14:51.45`	`Big_Barrel`	`what is that in UTC?`
`14:52.01`	`Big_Barrel`	`why not now?`
`14:52.06`	`Big_Barrel`	`only 30min`
`14:52.11`	`Big_Barrel`	`lets go right now`
`14:52.31`	`Noodleman`	`that would be 2:00 utc`
`14:52.36`	`Big_Barrel`	`hmmm`
`14:52.43`	`Big_Barrel`	`that is way too late for me`
`14:52.49`	`Big_Barrel`	`right now`
`14:52.53`	`Big_Barrel`	`come on`
`14:52.54`	`Big_Barrel`	`plz??`
`14:53.03`	`Noodleman`	`sorry`
`14:53.10`	`Noodleman`	`my jopb is more important`
`14:53.12`	`Big_Barrel`	`CHICKEN`
`14:53.16`	`Big_Barrel`	`BOCK BOCK`
`14:53.32`	`Big_Barrel`	`common i am flapping my wings for you`
`14:53.33`	`Noodleman`	`i'd be happy to take two of you on sunday on my lonesome`
`14:53.42`	`Noodleman`	`:-)`
`14:53.48`	`Big_Barrel`	`you need to have at least 2`
`14:53.53`	`Noodleman`	`now, you are a coward :-)`
`14:53.55`	`Big_Barrel`	`for official`
`14:54.04`	`Big_Barrel`	`i want official though`
`14:54.18`	`Big_Barrel`	`it cannot be official if you are only 1`
`14:54.28`	`Noodleman`	`'BOCK BOCK'`
`14:54.30`	`Noodleman`	`hehe`
`14:54.34`	`Big_Barrel`	`i think you are just trying to get out of the match`
`14:54.45`	`Noodleman`	`geez`
`14:54.50`	`Big_Barrel`	`how am i chicken if i am requesting 2 instead of 1???`
`14:55.05`	`Big_Barrel`	`WEENIE`
`14:55.14`	`Big_Barrel`	`WEENIE BOY`
`14:55.18`	`Big_Barrel`	`CHICKEN BOY`
`14:55.27`	`Big_Barrel`	`BOCK BOCK`
`14:55.47`	`Big_Barrel`	`common i am flapping your wings for you`
`14:56.02`	`Big_Barrel`	`BOCK BOCK`
`14:56.12`	`Big_Barrel`	`common you have time to talk but not fight???`
`14:56.20`	`Big_Barrel`	`what is a matter with you`
`14:56.23`	`Big_Barrel`	`CHICKEN`
`14:56.29`	`Noodleman`	`i'm not talking for 30 minutes`
`14:56.32`	`Big_Barrel`	`BOCK BOCK`
`14:56.44`	`Noodleman`	`i'll have to go in about 10 minutes`
`14:56.50`	`Big_Barrel`	`:(`
`14:56.53`	`Big_Barrel`	`you are scared`
`14:56.57`	`vogon`	`he has a freaking life.`
`14:57.04`	`Noodleman`	`seriously, you should grow up`
`14:57.05`	`vogon`	`that doesn't make him chicken.`
`14:57.14`	`Big_Barrel`	`what team are you on?`
`14:57.32`	`Noodleman`	`annhiliation`
`14:57.32`	`Big_Barrel`	`hehehe`
`14:57.51`	`Big_Barrel`	`why when i challenged you 2 weeks ago i get no response???`
`14:58.01`	`Big_Barrel`	`your team is a chicken`
`14:58.05`	`Big_Barrel`	`bock bock`
`14:58.06`	`Noodleman`	`the ctf league is as good as dead`
`14:58.13`	`Big_Barrel`	`not any more`
`14:58.20`	`Noodleman`	`no one logs in and uses the forums anymore`
`14:58.27`	`Big_Barrel`	`i have at least 1 match everyday`
`14:58.38`	`Big_Barrel`	`i use them`
`14:58.43`	`Big_Barrel`	`and so do others`
`14:58.53`	`Big_Barrel`	`lead by example people`
`14:58.58`	`Big_Barrel`	`don't follow`
`14:59.06`	`Big_Barrel`	`what others do`
`14:59.15`	`Big_Barrel`	`everyone is just lazy`
`14:59.24`	`Noodleman`	`and also, i'd like you to stop bugging me`
`14:59.35`	`Big_Barrel`	`then reply to my challenge`
`14:59.36`	`Noodleman`	`you should go get a life`
`14:59.40`	`Big_Barrel`	`i have one`
`14:59.45`	`Big_Barrel`	`i am on vacation`
`14:59.47`	`Big_Barrel`	`moron`
`14:59.54`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`Big Barrel ?`
`15:00.00`	`Big_Barrel`	`hi tea`
`15:00.04`	`Big_Barrel`	`what is up?`
`15:00.08`	`Big_Barrel`	`tea is not scared`
`15:00.09`	`Noodleman`	`you're off scholl for christmas`
`15:00.11`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`we have 2 members around :)`
`15:00.12`	`Big_Barrel`	`why are you?`
`15:00.24`	`Big_Barrel`	`i am off work`
`15:00.28`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`ok`
`15:00.29`	`Big_Barrel`	`little boy`
`15:00.35`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`how old ?`
`15:00.37`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`heh`
`15:00.41`	`Big_Barrel`	`23`
`15:00.50`	`Noodleman`	`never would have guessed`
`15:00.57`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`24 :P`
`15:01.06`	`Big_Barrel`	`Noodleman has time to talk but does not want to fight`
`15:01.12`	`Noodleman`	`lets play a little one-on-one for 5 minutes`
`15:01.14`	`Big_Barrel`	`don't you have to be somewhere?`
`15:01.26`	`Big_Barrel`	`you said you had to leave in 10 min about 15min ago`
`15:01.31`	`Big_Barrel`	`ok`
`15:01.33`	`Big_Barrel`	`59999`
`15:01.36`	`Noodleman`	`no, that was 5 minutes`
`15:01.37`	`Big_Barrel`	`c u there`
`15:01.43`	`Big_Barrel`	`i know 5 min`
`15:01.46`	`Big_Barrel`	`cu there`
`15:01.49`	`Big_Barrel`	`59999`
`15:05.16`	`Noodleman`	`Big_Barrel: hehe`
`15:07.15`	`Noodleman`	`that seemed to shut him up :-)`
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`15:29.03`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`hmm`
`15:47.12`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`ibot ducatictf`
`15:47.16`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`ibot ducati`
`16:04.12`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`ibot ducatictf`
`16:04.42`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`pff`
`16:04.47`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`ibot ducati`
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`16:46.30`	`remco`	`hi`
`16:46.32`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`rembo?`
`16:46.36`	`hardwire`	`hi`
`16:46.37`	`remco`	`yeah`
`16:46.41`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`ok`
`16:53.28`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`rembo ?`
`16:54.45`	`rembo`	`yeah`
`16:55.06`	`rembo`	`you have to make it quick, I have to leave soon`
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`17:08.20`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`aaah`
`17:08.33`	`Fanta`	`hi all`
`17:11.12`	`*** part/#bzflag Fanta (fantazee@p508F303A.dip.t-dialin.net)`
`17:13.52`	`BigBarrel`	`can someone be a ref plz???`
`17:16.20`	`*** join/#bzflag PerfectCell (alton@p508032A0.dip.t-dialin.net)`
`17:16.25`	`PerfectCell`	`lo`
`17:16.44`	`PerfectCell`	`i love code like this: return new Mesh[1]{Mesh.CreateLogoMesh()};`
`17:17.55`	`ak\|ra`	`PerfectCell: :))`
`17:19.16`	`PerfectCell`	`hey patlabor, you have a texture table/manager, do you use a null texture?`
`17:19.53`	`PerfectCell`	`for the models that do not have a texture assigned to them?`
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`17:26.31`	`BigBarrel`	`strayer???`
`17:26.39`	`strayer`	`jor?`
`17:26.47`	`BigBarrel`	`come to 59999 in observer mode`
`17:26.52`	`BigBarrel`	`purple`
`17:26.58`	`strayer`	`oki`
`17:28.07`	`Patlabor221`	`no I just load one`
`17:28.20`	`Patlabor221`	`I turn off textureing`
`17:28.28`	`Patlabor221`	`there isn't realy such a thing as a null texture`
`17:30.16`	`PerfectCell`	`i use a null texture`
`17:35.14`	`Patlabor221`	`to each his own`
`17:35.14`	`PerfectCell`	`one more thing that interest me: when its time to draw your scene, then you do: foreach texture{ bind(texture); foreach model { model.DrawUsingTexture(texture); } }`
`17:35.17`	`Patlabor221`	`since I sort`
`17:35.21`	`PerfectCell`	`is that right`
`17:35.36`	`PerfectCell`	`?`
`17:35.55`	`Patlabor221`	`yes I do somethign like that`
`17:36.02`	`Patlabor221`	`tho my models have multiple textures`
`17:36.10`	`Patlabor221`	`so I draw model parts sorted by texture`
`17:36.24`	`Patlabor221`	`and no texture is -1 so it's the first thing drawn`
`17:37.42`	`PerfectCell`	`the sorting of the model parts how does that work and when does it happen?`
`17:38.07`	`Patlabor221`	`I have my own class`
`17:38.26`	`Patlabor221`	`I run through the objects and see if they are visiable`
`17:38.33`	`PerfectCell`	`right`
`17:38.34`	`Patlabor221`	`then I tell each visible thing to draw`
`17:38.45`	`Patlabor221`	`and it adds N part refences`
`17:38.53`	`Patlabor221`	`and those are sorted at add time`
`17:39.03`	`PerfectCell`	`so it does not draw at first time`
`17:40.09`	`Patlabor221`	`no`
`17:40.25`	`PerfectCell`	`where do you add the n part(subsets in my implementaion) refernces into a list`
`17:40.30`	`Patlabor221`	`then I iter the texture list`
`17:40.44`	`Patlabor221`	`and tell each object too draw it's parts with that texure`
`17:40.57`	`Patlabor221`	`when I tell each object to draw`
`17:44.34`	`PerfectCell`	`foreach model { if(model.Visible(frustum)) model.RegisterSubsets(this.textureEntries); }; foreach textureEntry { textureEntry.Draw();}`
`17:44.40`	`PerfectCell`	`thats what i do`
`17:44.59`	`PerfectCell`	`its the fastest`
`17:48.20`	`PerfectCell`	`and its the same like yours in pseudo code`
`17:48.28`	`Patlabor221`	`yeah same thing`
`17:48.50`	`Patlabor221`	`I just have mine spplit into multiple managers`
`17:48.58`	`Patlabor221`	`the world manager gets who is vis`
`17:49.05`	`Patlabor221`	`then the renederer asks them to draw`
`17:49.38`	`PerfectCell`	`yes its pretty much the same`
`17:50.27`	`PerfectCell`	`i thing that lightmaps are belonging do the past`
`17:50.46`	`PerfectCell`	`due to pixel shadrs`
`17:51.05`	`PerfectCell`	`so i do not considere lightmaps`
`17:52.00`	`PerfectCell`	`but this does not apply to shadow maps`
`17:52.33`	`PerfectCell`	`but i prefer to use a static shadow volume for the world database`
`17:52.53`	`PerfectCell`	`and dynamic ones for the characters/actors`
`17:54.12`	`PerfectCell`	`though you need the wind edge or quad edge structure to compute the perspective outline of a model`
`17:54.46`	`PerfectCell`	`it is really not easy to calc the dynamic shadow volume efficiently`
`17:55.43`	`PerfectCell`	`but drawing it without caping is easy, just use w = -1 i the glVertex calls`
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`17:58.34`	`bzdoug_`	`~country .nl`
`17:58.36`		`i heard country .nl is netherlands`
`18:02.50`	`strayer`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:03.05`	`remco`	`when`
`18:03.14`	`remco`	`just now?`
`18:04.08`	`strayer`	`yes...but not official`
`18:04.56`	`remco`	`hmmm`
`18:05.02`	`remco`	`i am missing all the fun`
`18:05.17`	`bzdoug_`	`good`
`18:05.19`	`strayer`	`hm....wasnt that funny...look at the result ;)`
`18:05.32`	`remco`	`hmm yes`
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`18:06.58`	`Fanta`	`hi`
`18:07.13`	`strayer`	`hi Fanta....have not seen U 4 a while ;)`
`18:07.20`	`Fanta`	`hehe`
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`18:08.32`	`strayer`	`Fanta?`
`18:08.37`	`Fanta`	`ja ?`
`18:09.13`	`strayer`	`query ---->`
`18:10.05`	`bzdoug_`	`das ist good`
`18:10.33`	`strayer`	`correct: das ist gut`
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`18:10.47`	`bzdoug_`	`ah`
`18:10.50`	`bzdoug_`	`gut`
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`18:12.31`	`bzdoug_`	`hum`
`18:14.40`	`Fanta`	`chestal here ?`
`18:14.50`	`bzdoug_`	`~seen Chestal`
`18:15.01`		`chestal is currently on #bzflag (4d 13h 27m 4s). Has said a total of 140 messages. Is idling for 19h 22m 21s`
`18:15.07`	`bzdoug_`	`nope`
`18:22.22`	`strayer`	`Fanta: kann es sein, dass du auf ducati erwartet wirst?`
`18:22.34`	`Fanta`	`wieso ?`
`18:22.39`	`Fanta`	`weiss von nix`
`18:22.50`	`strayer`	`achso?...hm...`
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`18:25.45`	`strayer`	`hi rembo.....we R on ducati/50000`
`18:26.02`	`rembo`	`ok`
`18:26.11`	`rembo`	`i'll have visitors`
`18:26.15`	`rembo`	`i'll join`
`18:26.35`	`strayer`	`ok`
`18:30.39`	`strayer`	`Chestal ?...ninanapping...hehe`
`18:41.54`	`bzdoug_`	`wee`
`18:41.57`	`bzdoug_`	`9 FPS`
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`18:45.25`	`hardwire`	`heh`
`18:45.26`	`hardwire`	`neat`
`18:46.39`	`hardwire`	`now I can strap the led to my hat.. and play bzflag..`
`18:46.52`	`hardwire`	`when I move my head.. the tank will turn`
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`18:51.36`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`...`
`18:51.39`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`hello all`
`18:51.43`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`...`
`18:51.58`	`[dmp]`	`hi`
`18:53.23`	`[dmp]`	`too bad we didnt have a match :)`
`18:53.28`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`lol`
`18:53.29`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`yeah :=)`
`18:53.42`	`[dmp]`	`I Would love to get the last point next time :-)`
`18:55.36`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`l`
`18:55.40`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`;)`
`18:56.20`	`Big_Barrel`	`ok i must go pack`
`18:56.25`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`...`
`18:56.32`	`Big_Barrel`	`but i will stay on irc if anything changes`
`18:56.39`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`g00d`
`18:56.39`	`Big_Barrel`	`so plz let me know`
`18:56.43`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`yes`
`18:56.55`	`Big_Barrel`	`thx`
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`19:02.29`	`hardwire`	`mwa ha ha`
`19:02.32`	`hardwire`	`I am getting my ass wooped`
`19:02.40`	`hardwire`	`but its just neat being able to turn your head and the tank moves`
`19:02.42`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`hui`
`19:03.10`	`strayer`	`:)`
`19:03.28`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`hui strayerlein wuschl`
`19:04.34`	`strayer`	`argls...net durch de Haare wuschln...`
`19:05.03`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`doch`
`19:05.04`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`;)`
`19:05.48`	`strayer`	`des duerfen nur frauen machen tea.....`
`19:06.10`	`strayer`	`=)`
`19:06.40`	`ak\|ra`	`is mir zuwidder :)`
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`19:06.45`	`strayer`	`urgs....`
`19:06.46`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`lol`
`19:06.46`	`strayer`	`+hehe`
`19:06.53`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`akira aus dem nebel`
`19:07.24`	`hardwire`	`bah. nobody appreciates fun input here :)`
`19:07.32`	`strayer`	`qosta?`
`19:08.37`	`ak\|ra`	`strayer: vergisses :)`
`19:08.53`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`holla amigos`
`19:08.56`	`strayer`	`schon geschehen..... :)`
`19:09.01`	`strayer`	`ak\|ra`
`19:09.21`	`ak\|ra`	`wa si strayer`
`19:10.26`	`strayer`	`(siehe oben)`
`19:10.50`	`ak\|ra`	`wie weit?`
`19:11.15`	`strayer`	`von hier ab.....5 Zeilen... :)`
`19:12.23`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`wulli`
`19:12.41`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`ibot ducatictf`
`19:12.48`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`ibot ducati`
`19:12.50`	`strayer`	`ak\|ra: any new pix I can gaze?`
`19:16.56`	`ak\|ra`	`strayer: nope :/ me is very lazy :)`
`19:23.04`	`Big_Barrel`	`hehehe`
`19:23.08`	`strayer`	`:)`
`19:23.17`	`strayer`	`ak\|ra: never used it before?`
`19:23.21`	`Big_Barrel`	`no`
`19:23.29`	`Big_Barrel`	`:))`
`19:23.32`	`ak\|ra`	`strayer: no :)`
`19:23.45`	`strayer`	`ak\|ra: U R lazy?... how shall i describe me than? ;)`
`19:23.46`	`ak\|ra`	`bought a multiset from aldi some weeks ago`
`19:24.10`	`strayer`	`and?`
`19:24.17`	`ak\|ra`	`and now its time for xmas :)`
`19:24.30`	`strayer`	`yeah...presents :)`
`19:24.30`	`hardwire`	`neat.. now I have a laser guided tank`
`19:24.31`	`hardwire`	`heh`
`19:24.47`	`strayer`	`Big_Barrel: good luck if U R not fast enough..lol`
`19:24.56`	`Big_Barrel`	`hehe`
`19:24.58`	`ak\|ra`	`Big_Barrel: wanne fight?`
`19:25.01`	`ak\|ra`	`jhehehehehehehee`
`19:25.06`	`Big_Barrel`	`hmmm`
`19:25.10`	`ak\|ra`	`lol`
`19:25.18`	`ak\|ra`	`tick tack goes the clock`
`19:25.23`	`ak\|ra`	`what to do what todo`
`19:25.27`	`strayer`	`Big_Barrel: difficult decision? :)`
`19:25.43`	`ak\|ra`	`fight was just a joke :)`
`19:26.30`	`strayer`	`btw... ak\|ra isn't that good....he is only the luckiest guy in the world :))`
`19:26.32`	`Big_Barrel`	`boy i am tired, someone plz slap me`
`19:27.02`	`Big_Barrel`	`ah that is much better`
`19:27.10`	`strayer`	`ouch...would never do this...`
`19:29.09`	`ak\|ra`	`strayer: byte my shiny little ass`
`19:30.19`	`strayer`	`ak\|ra: i hope U will fall asleep during the movie so that U have to watch it again ;p`
`19:30.52`	`ak\|ra`	`nope`
`19:30.57`	`ak\|ra`	`that wont happen`
`19:31.06`	`Big_Barrel`	`hehe`
`19:31.22`	`strayer`	`hmpf....`
`19:31.44`	`strayer`	`i was to late to buy tickets :(`
`19:32.02`	`strayer`	`not to late....to lazy...`
`19:32.37`	`Big_Barrel`	`hehe`
`19:32.47`	`Big_Barrel`	`trust me i know the feeling`
`19:33.08`	`strayer`	`good to know...`
`19:33.08`	`Big_Barrel`	`not even a fire could part me from my workstation`
`19:33.13`	`Big_Barrel`	`lol`
`19:33.20`	`ak\|ra`	`i think we will get a place ...`
`19:33.35`	`ak\|ra`	`and in the meanwhile -> gentoo compiles`
`19:33.51`	`strayer`	`Big_Barrel: but me...cause i have to rescue my TV then`
`19:34.10`	`Big_Barrel`	`ah you make a valid point`
`19:34.11`	`Big_Barrel`	`lol`
`19:34.26`	`strayer`	`:)`
`19:34.39`	`ak\|ra`	`so, now the cd stopped`
`19:34.40`	`Big_Barrel`	`that is why my tv is right beside my PC`
`19:34.47`	`Big_Barrel`	`hehe`
`19:35.02`	`strayer`	`the same with me....but on the left side...`
`19:35.03`	`Big_Barrel`	`oh some want to see something funny?`
`19:35.12`	`strayer`	`Ur face?`
`19:35.18`	`strayer`	`kidding`
`19:35.19`	`Big_Barrel`	`hey mine is also on the left`
`19:35.31`	`Big_Barrel`	`hehe`
`19:35.35`	`Big_Barrel`	`one sec`
`19:35.39`	`strayer`	`oki`
`19:35.45`	`Big_Barrel`	`i need to find it`
`19:35.52`	`Big_Barrel`	`.mpg`
`19:37.19`	`strayer`	`ak\|ra: whe do U wanna go to cinema?`
`19:37.29`	`ak\|ra`	`2130`
`19:38.20`	`strayer`	`oki..`
`19:39.01`	`ak\|ra`	`warum, willste mitkommen?`
`19:39.11`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`mornin' fellas`
`19:39.24`	`strayer`	`ak\|ra: gern :)`
`19:39.32`	`strayer`	`hi proton[BGDFH]`
`19:40.06`	`ak\|ra`	`is ja nich weit von dir aus oder? md?`
`19:40.52`	`strayer`	`woher warst gleich?`
`19:41.00`	`ak\|ra`	`magdeburg`
`19:41.17`	`strayer`	`du...da bin ich vielleicht noch vorm Abspann da :)`
`19:41.22`	`ak\|ra`	`hehe`
`19:41.25`	`ak\|ra`	`woher?`
`19:41.38`	`strayer`	`n�he von Chemnitz`
`19:41.44`	`ak\|ra`	`ah`
`19:41.51`	`ak\|ra`	`aber heute schaffstes nich vorm abspann :)`
`19:41.55`	`ak\|ra`	`was hoerste fuer musike?`
`19:42.01`	`Big_Barrel`	`what city r u guys from`
`19:42.03`	`strayer`	`jetzt oder allg?`
`19:42.08`	`ak\|ra`	`allg`
`19:42.14`	`strayer`	`Big_Barrel: look above`
`19:42.15`	`ak\|ra`	`Big_Barrel: german cities :)`
`19:42.24`	`Big_Barrel`	`i am in germany`
`19:42.35`	`Big_Barrel`	`what cities?`
`19:42.55`	`strayer`	`ak\|ra: alles...fast alles (trance\|pop\|metal\|klassik\|...)`
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`19:43.30`	`ak\|ra`	`strayer: ich war im sommer aufm highfield`
`19:43.32`	`strayer`	`Big_Barrel: we were talking about the cities seconds before U asked`
`19:43.35`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`ibot ducatictf`
`19:43.58`	`strayer`	`ak\|ra: wie wars?...ich war da leider im 'westen'`
`19:44.02`	`ak\|ra`	`super`
`19:44.05`	`ak\|ra`	`korn`
`19:44.08`	`ak\|ra`	`incubus`
`19:44.20`	`ak\|ra`	`and a lot of more :)`
`19:44.25`	`strayer`	`war ja klar....sowas is immer, wenn ich net da bin.......`
`19:44.30`	`ak\|ra`	`hihi`
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`19:48.28`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`scanline: heh - nice screen in 'terminal.png'`
`19:48.37`	`Big_Barrel`	`can we do file transfers on irc?`
`19:48.43`	`bzdoug_`	`yup`
`19:48.44`	`strayer`	`yes`
`19:48.49`	`bzdoug_`	`called DCC`
`19:49.21`	`Big_Barrel`	`how?`
`19:49.28`	`Big_Barrel`	`dcc send?`
`19:49.33`	`bzdoug_`	`yup`
`19:49.35`	`strayer`	`right`
`19:49.39`	`Big_Barrel`	`ah ok one sec`
`19:51.38`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`hmm`
`19:51.48`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`apparently i get to keep my CS account for life`
`19:52.07`	`strayer`	`proton[BGDFH]: CounterStrike?`
`19:52.36`	`Big_Barrel`	`r u getting the file strayer?`
`19:52.47`	`strayer`	`nope`
`19:53.07`	`Big_Barrel`	`it says you have to reply`
`19:53.13`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`strayer: computer science`
`19:53.18`	`Big_Barrel`	`all i did was type you nick`
`19:53.25`	`Big_Barrel`	`is that right?`
`19:54.37`	`strayer`	`Big_Barrel: hm....try a right mouse click on my nick and send it so.....this works if U use one oth the most use IRC-applikations`
`19:54.50`	`Big_Barrel`	`r u going to accept?`
`19:54.55`	`Big_Barrel`	`hmmm`
`19:55.04`	`strayer`	`Big_Barrel: i would if i would get an request`
`19:55.20`	`Big_Barrel`	`hi doug`
`19:56.21`	`strayer`	`Big_Barrel: hm...........`
`19:56.35`	`Big_Barrel`	`hmmm it is working for bzdoug`
`19:56.38`	`Big_Barrel`	`?`
`19:56.56`	`Big_Barrel`	`hey doug tell me what you think of it`
`19:58.40`	`ak\|ra`	`Big_Barrel: please dont send any files unasked`
`19:58.44`	`ak\|ra`	`i dont like this`
`19:58.58`	`Big_Barrel`	`i did ask remember?`
`19:59.03`	`Big_Barrel`	`about 5min ago`
`19:59.08`	`Big_Barrel`	`i said i had to find it`
`19:59.19`	`Big_Barrel`	`it is funny, check it out`
`19:59.47`	`ak\|ra`	`i know this video`
`19:59.53`	`Big_Barrel`	`ok then nevermind`
`20:00.15`	`ak\|ra`	`and you didnt ask me :)`
`20:00.26`	`Big_Barrel`	`you said you wanted to see it`
`20:00.30`	`Big_Barrel`	`did you not?`
`20:00.40`	`ak\|ra`	`nope`
`20:00.41`	`strayer`	`it was me ;p`
`20:00.43`	`ak\|ra`	`for sure nor`
`20:00.44`	`ak\|ra`	`for sure not`
`20:00.56`	`Big_Barrel`	`ah well then srry to trouble akira`
`20:01.09`	`Big_Barrel`	`i though both of u wanted to see it`
`20:02.10`	`Big_Barrel`	`....`
`20:02.18`	`ak\|ra`	`and opening unrequested queries is also uncool style :))`
`20:02.24`	`ak\|ra`	`just to remember next time`
`20:02.44`	`Big_Barrel`	`srry to bother you akira`
`20:02.46`	`Big_Barrel`	`my mistake`
`20:05.01`	`strayer`	`happens....but now U will not die blockheaded :)`
`20:05.47`	`ak\|ra`	`:))`
`20:05.56`	`ak\|ra`	`Big_Barrel: no big thing, i know you are new in irc`
`20:06.15`	`ak\|ra`	`but now you know it and hopefully will act this way :)`
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`20:20.45`	`ak\|ra`	`strayer: my buddy will pick me up`
`20:20.47`	`Big_Barrel`	`ibot ducatictf`
`20:20.56`	`ak\|ra`	`and if not -> the cinemaxx is only 30 minutes away :)`
`20:21.01`	`strayer`	`ak\|ra: aso...`
`20:24.49`	`strayer`	`@all: MERRY XMAS...I will not show up here until 25th/26th Dec > that means U can relax :)`
`20:25.01`	`bzdoug_`	`yay1!!!!`
`20:25.03`	`bzdoug_`	`woot!`
`20:25.07`	`bzdoug_`	`~rejoice`
`20:25.12`		`No, damit!!!`
`20:25.17`	`bzdoug_`	`hum`
`20:25.21`	`bzdoug_`	`ibot likes you`
`20:25.23`		`bzdoug_: i haven't a clue`
`20:25.27`	`strayer`	`hehe..i know`
`20:25.33`	`bzdoug_`	`hum`
`20:25.39`	`bzdoug_`	`what do YOU want for x-mas?`
`20:25.39`	`strayer`	`ibot bzdoug_`
`20:25.41`		`strayer: i haven't a clue`
`20:25.56`	`strayer`	`bzdoug_: money :)`
`20:26.01`	`bzdoug_`	`ah`
`20:26.07`	`bzdoug_`	`who doesnt?`
`20:26.08`	`bzdoug_`	`:P`
`20:26.14`	`strayer`	`hehe....`
`20:26.37`	`strayer`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:26.41`	`bzdoug_`	`cya`
`20:26.42`	`bzdoug_`	`round`
`20:26.43`	`bzdoug_`	`like`
`20:26.45`	`bzdoug_`	`a`
`20:26.46`	`bzdoug_`	`donut`
`20:26.52`	`strayer`	`:))`
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`20:37.41`	`akira\|kino`	`bis spaeter`
`20:49.51`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`ibot ducati`
`21:00.45`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`lol`
`21:00.51`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`i did thaty yesterday`
`21:00.51`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`:=`
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`21:02.27`	`Cell`	`lo`
`21:02.42`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`hello`
`21:03.29`	`Cell`	`how do i deal with orrect texture mapping in scaled models, do i have to retexture them?`
`21:12.31`	`Cell`	`opengl 2.0 does it exist already?`
`21:13.10`	`Patlabor221`	`yeah but I set my tree up at work :)`
`21:13.15`	`Patlabor221`	`gl 2.0 is in spec now`
`21:13.20`	`Patlabor221`	`no implementaions`
`21:13.41`	`Patlabor221`	`cell I asume you don't want to scale the textures with the models like bz?`
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`21:18.10`	`Cell`	`no i dont know how that works and if it is correct, the problem is on that i use many models(have mats + transform) that have a reference to a mesh(holds the toplogie + vertex data) so i save lot of memory especially because meshes can be animated at vertex level`
`21:18.45`	`bzdoug_`	`wierd`
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`21:18.59`	`bzdoug_`	`now I need to quit the first client`
`21:19.10`	`Cell`	`the bad thing is that the mesh has also the vertex coordinates because it can be animated too`
`21:19.34`	`Patlabor221`	`you can ether retexture or change the texture matrix`
`21:19.37`	`Patlabor221`	`and scale there`
`21:19.38`	`Cell`	`there is no problem as long as there is no scale in the transform of a model`
`21:19.45`	`bzdoug`	`yay`
`21:20.06`	`Patlabor221`	`usualy with most games you scale the texture with the model, so you don't have to change the TCs with the scale`
`21:20.19`	`Patlabor221`	`and with skin type textures you can't scale`
`21:20.33`	`Patlabor221`	`bz is rather unique in it's parametric type models`
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`21:21.23`	`Cell`	`ah scaling the texture, that sound good, i thought you could only scale the TCs`
`21:21.42`	`Patlabor221`	`you scale the exture matrix`
`21:21.51`	`Patlabor221`	`the texture image allways goes from 0-1`
`21:22.03`	`Patlabor221`	`all TCs run thrugh a Texture matrix before being applies`
`21:22.09`	`Patlabor221`	`there is a matrix mode for it`
`21:22.20`	`Patlabor221`	`normaly it's the idenity`
`21:22.23`	`Cell`	`k, then i was right previously`
`21:24.19`	`Cell`	`so you can scale only textures that are tile able`
`21:25.01`	`Cell`	`oh, got it`
`21:25.07`	`Big_Barrel`	`ibot ducatictf`
`21:26.29`	`Cell`	`lol, it would not make sense to scale a skin texture of a character anyway, if he/it is resized`
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`21:27.41`	`Patlabor221`	`yes`
`21:27.52`	`Cell`	`im getting just more and more convinient with opengl`
`21:27.55`	`Patlabor221`	`like I say, uslay you let the texture just go with the geo scale`
`21:28.40`	`sussudio`	`i think we need some quality control for submitted maps on jzaun.`
`21:30.34`	`Cell`	`one bad hing about per vertex animation is that you have to interpolate the normals between each keyframe too, that almost doubles the data you need to store which each key`
`21:30.50`	`Patlabor221`	`yes`
`21:31.06`	`Patlabor221`	`tho since you know normals are allways of unit length you can cut some conrers`
`21:31.20`	`Patlabor221`	`we have a "cWeeUnitVector" class`
`21:31.53`	`Cell`	`dont understand: cut some corners?`
`21:32.37`	`Patlabor221`	`well you only need 2 of the 3 components`
`21:32.48`	`Patlabor221`	`cus you can compute the thrid`
`21:33.00`	`Cell`	`how that?`
`21:33.04`	`Patlabor221`	`and since it only goes from -1 to 1 in lenthg`
`21:33.10`	`Patlabor221`	`cross product`
`21:33.20`	`Patlabor221`	`you can not use a float and ditch some precision`
`21:33.34`	`Cell`	`oh, yes`
`21:34.20`	`Cell`	`but that computation is a bit costly?`
`21:34.30`	`Patlabor221`	`it can`
`21:34.35`	`Patlabor221`	`there were some other things we did`
`21:34.38`	`Patlabor221`	`I forget them all`
`21:35.06`	`Cell`	`does opengl slow down if you let it normalize the normals?`
`21:35.22`	`Patlabor221`	`depends on the implementaion`
`21:35.27`	`Patlabor221`	`it's up to the driver`
`21:35.37`	`bzdoug`	`bus driver?`
`21:35.41`	`Patlabor221`	`card driver`
`21:35.43`	`Cell`	`seems not to be the case on nvidia boards`
`21:35.56`	`Patlabor221`	`if the card can take non unit length normals it just may take them`
`21:36.33`	`scanline`	`wouldn't it take so long to determine if the vector is normalized that it might as well just normalize it?`
`21:36.44`	`bzdoug`	`yahoooooooooooooooooooooooooo!`
`21:36.46`	`bzdoug`	`~yahoo`
`21:36.52`	`scanline`	`I'm pretty sure it will just compute incorrect light values if you give it non-unit normal vectors`
`21:36.56`	`Patlabor221`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:37.26`	`Cell`	`and its bad for per pixel shading`
`21:37.40`	`bzdoug`	`BGDFH`
`21:37.43`	`bzdoug`	`?`
`21:37.45`	`Patlabor221`	`most implementaions do calc bad lights`
`21:37.56`	`scanline`	`ibot: BGDFH is Bastard Game Developer From Hell`
`21:37.58`		`scanline: okay`
`21:38.03`	`Patlabor221`	`I allways make sure my normals are ok`
`21:38.03`	`bzdoug`	`ah`
`21:38.23`	`Cell`	`but small errors are ok?`
`21:38.25`	`Patlabor221`	`tho relay you shouldn't interpolate normals liniarly`
`21:38.29`	`Patlabor221`	`you chould slurp them`
`21:38.34`	`scanline`	`slerp`
`21:38.37`	`Cell`	`but i do linery`
`21:38.38`	`Patlabor221`	`small errors don't look soo bad`
`21:38.45`	`Patlabor221`	`so o I`
`21:38.45`	`bzdoug`	`slurp.`
`21:38.57`	`Cell`	`slurp is too complicate for me`
`21:39.02`	`scanline`	`slerp, not slurp`
`21:39.07`	`Cell`	`both i ok`
`21:39.08`	`bzdoug`	`slerp?`
`21:39.09`	`Patlabor221`	`I know`
`21:39.16`	`bzdoug`	`slarp.`
`21:39.17`	`Patlabor221`	`spherical liniar interploaten`
`21:39.22`	`bzdoug`	`slorp!`
`21:39.29`	`Patlabor221`	`baka`
`21:39.29`	`scanline`	`linear interpolation :P`
`21:39.39`	`bzdoug`	`slierp!`
`21:39.42`	`Cell`	`digiben has a nice tutorial about that after loading a md3 mod`
`21:39.54`	`Patlabor221`	`it's a rather simple format`
`21:40.11`	`vogon`	`interploaten?`
`21:40.20`	`vogon`	`wtf?`
`21:40.47`	`vogon`	`sounds like some kind of medical term.`
`21:40.52`	`Cell`	`i quite satisfied with liner interpolation, i have a key frame every 5th frame`
`21:41.00`	`bzdoug`	`vogon: yup, interploaten is a diferent type of plankton`
`21:41.25`	`bzdoug`	`vogon: and it watchs monty python`
`21:41.28`	`Cell`	`so many errors in my sentences :(`
`21:41.39`	`bzdoug`	`:)`
`21:41.42`	`scanline`	`Cell: if you linearly interpolate rotation angles instead of slerping, even with frequent keyframes you can get errors because a linear interpolation may go the wrong direction`
`21:41.57`	`scanline`	`the difference between linear interpolation and spherical with angles isnt' so much the speed, it's the direction`
`21:42.06`	`scanline`	`s/isnt'/isn't/`
`21:42.24`	`Cell`	`not on per vertex data`
`21:42.50`	`scanline`	`well if you only have positions, not rotations, there's nothing to spherically interpolate..`
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`21:43.15`	`bzdoug`	`heck, you can even make squares out of circles`
`21:43.18`	`Cell`	`i conider each position change as if done by a translation`
`21:43.25`	`scanline`	`uh huh`
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`21:43.41`	`bzdoug`	`scanline: whynot?`
`21:43.42`	`BZFlag`	`proton[BGDFH]: have you seen the new GM suicide bug?`
`21:43.45`	`Zig`	`Hi :)`
`21:43.51`	`Zig`	`Anyone for 1v1?`
`21:43.51`	`bzdoug`	`BZFlag: hows that work?`
`21:43.58`	`scanline`	`bzdoug: I'm not disagreeing, just agreeing that it's obvious`
`21:44.09`	`bzdoug`	`ah`
`21:44.11`	`BZFlag`	`cvs code... fire GM at someone while advancing and you die.`
`21:44.20`	`bzdoug`	`ick`
`21:44.24`	`bzdoug`	`thats a nasty bug`
`21:44.57`	`bzdoug`	`bugucide`
`21:45.01`	`bzdoug`	`whayever`
`21:45.18`	`bzdoug`	`but you dee I cant type very well with my eyes closed`
`21:45.20`	`bzdoug`	`hmm`
`21:45.26`	`bzdoug`	`that wasnt half bad`
`21:45.56`	`Cell`	`that happens if the shot origin is near to the tank, for a bullet from my tank it should hit me only after bouncing on time`
`21:46.18`	`bzdoug`	`why not have the GM sort of activate in midair?`
`21:46.40`	`bzdoug`	`so you could set it so the missle would go out 100 meters before arming`
`21:47.06`	`bzdoug`	`23000+ channels on undernet`
`21:47.13`	`Cell`	`can a GM kill a tank that firedthe GM, shouldnt be possible`
`21:47.18`	`bzdoug`	`20000 have 1 person on it`
`21:47.20`	`BZFlag`	`Cell: that kind of fix would work. it might be tough to know if it "bounced". going through a teleporter should could as a bounce.`
`21:47.33`	`bzdoug`	`BZFlag: yea`
`21:47.37`	`sussudio`	`29605 channels on dalnet. what's your point, doug?`
`21:47.51`	`bzdoug`	`sussudio: mines still loadin`
`21:48.00`	`bzdoug`	`sussudio: now its 25000`
`21:48.23`	`sussudio`	`yay.`
`21:48.32`	`bzdoug`	`27000`
`21:48.40`	`sussudio`	`except nobody in their right mind goes to undernet anymore.`
`21:49.17`	`bzdoug`	`woo, 30000 channels`
`21:49.33`	`scanline`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:49.49`	`bzdoug`	`sussudio: dalnet has bookz?`
`21:49.52`	`scanline`	`oops`
`21:50.26`	`bzdoug`	`scanline: thats purty fast`
`21:50.32`	`sussudio`	`you know who has books? the friggin library.`
`21:50.41`	`bzdoug`	`sussudio: not bookz`
`21:51.04`	`scanline`	`oh geez... bookz?`
`21:51.10`	`bzdoug`	`booz`
`21:51.11`	`scanline`	`I thought appz and moviez were bad...`
`21:51.20`	`bzdoug`	`scanline: they are`
`21:51.27`	`bzdoug`	`scanline: but booz is worse`
`21:51.34`	`scanline`	`that's my point`
`21:51.42`	`bzdoug`	`ah`
`21:51.46`	`scanline`	`you can get drunk on booz, but what can you do with bookz?`
`21:51.58`	`sussudio`	`beat doug to death with one?`
`21:52.08`	`scanline`	`good idea`
`21:52.25`	`sussudio`	`war & peace will do.`
`22:00.24`	`bzdoug`	`hmm`
`22:01.44`	`bzdoug`	`irc.dalnet.com?`
`22:01.51`	`bzdoug`	`or irc.dalnet.net?`
`22:03.58`	`BZFlag`	`irc.dal.net no?`
`22:04.14`	`bzdoug`	`hmm`
`22:04.16`	`bzdoug`	`yea`
`22:04.20`	`bzdoug`	`it switched`
`22:04.26`	`bzdoug`	`automagicaly`
`22:05.14`	`Cell`	`someone uses gmax?`
`22:05.38`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`BZFlag: yes, i have seen it`
`22:06.09`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`yipes, revision 205`
`22:06.23`	`bzdoug`	`nooo, not my surfboard!`
`22:06.36`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`BZFlag: but i noticed it prior to g0`
`22:07.02`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`scanline: eek why`
`22:07.07`	`scanline`	`proton[BGDFH]: want to try out kcachegrind`
`22:07.10`	`bzdoug`	`QT?`
`22:07.16`	`BZFlag`	`proton[BGDFH]: hmm. I've never seen it before. Now it happens every time I GM while moving forward.`
`22:07.18`	`bzdoug`	`quicktime?`
`22:07.29`	`scanline`	`bzdoug: no, just Qt`
`22:07.38`	`bzdoug`	`and whats that?`
`22:07.43`	`scanline`	`it's Qt of course`
`22:07.48`	`bzdoug`	`hm`
`22:07.51`	`scanline`	`UTFG`
`22:08.01`	`bzdoug`	`~qt`
`22:08.03`		`from memory, qt is TrollTech's QT library, available at http://www.trolltech.com`
`22:08.11`	`bzdoug`	`ah`
`22:08.21`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`BZFlag: one of the reasons i don't see it that often is that i never use GM...`
`22:08.27`	`bzdoug`	`~google for qt`
`22:08.42`	`bzdoug`	`hey, google works now`
`22:14.38`	`bzdoug`	`heh`
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`22:15.35`	`bzdoug`	`moin`
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`22:16.48`	`bzdoug`	`moin`
`22:21.49`	`scanline`	`eek, bad emoory leak!`
`22:21.52`	`scanline`	`keyboard... suffering...`
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`22:23.42`	`scanline`	`whew...`
`22:23.47`	`scanline`	`that was bizarre`
`22:24.01`	`scanline`	`I assumed it was a memory leak in jetstream, but it was really cmatrix using up 500MB of memory`
`22:26.46`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`haha`
`22:27.09`	`Patlabor221`	`that is a rather large matrix`
`22:27.59`	`scanline`	`indeed`
`22:28.31`	`scanline`	`ahhh....`
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`22:29.43`	`bzdoug`	`bwuahhaha, my evil plan worked, now onto bigger things`
`22:31.44`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`scanline: tomorrow or weds we should have a character model :D`
`22:32.28`	`bzdoug`	`wednesday is christmas!!!! you NEVER code on christmas`
`22:32.43`	`Patlabor221`	`no doug, YOU never code any day`
`22:32.51`	`bzdoug`	`oh`
`22:32.55`	`bzdoug`	`something like that`
`22:36.14`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`scanline: how goes surface?`
`22:36.40`	`scanline`	`dunno, I should ask it`
`22:36.50`	`scanline`	`Surface: how are you doing?`
`22:37.06`	`scanline`	`<Surface> scanline: you eeediot! debug me! debug me! arrrrrrrr!`
`22:37.28`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`:)`
`22:39.06`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`sussudio: hahahahaha`
`22:39.11`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`sussudio: i like your avatar on bzbb`
`22:40.28`	`BZFlag`	`proton[BGDFH]: ok. It's for certian. The GM suicide bug does not exist before your patch.`
`22:40.39`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`BZFlag: eek`
`22:41.24`	`BZFlag`	`I reverted to a week ago, and cannot get it to happen at all.`
`22:41.36`	`BZFlag`	`with current CVS it _always_ happens.`
`22:41.58`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`i'll try to track it down in the next day or so`
`22:42.22`	`BZFlag`	`perhaps the address compare is not working or something?`
`22:42.35`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`which address compare?`
`22:42.53`	`BZFlag`	`the icky pointer stuff you removed?`
`22:43.10`	`BZFlag`	`I can't see how bzstring or alist could have done this.`
`22:43.10`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`thats in completely different parts`
`22:43.36`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`the pointer comparison stuff was in URL parsing and the world db`
`22:44.09`	`BZFlag`	`not used to compare player ids ever?`
`22:44.34`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`not that i changed`
`22:44.42`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`i don't think it is tho`
`22:44.51`	`BZFlag`	`hmm.`
`22:45.01`	`scanline`	`http://jetstream.babylonia.flatirons.org/download/cmatrix2.avi`
`22:45.02`	`BZFlag`	`any thoughts on what could have done it then?`
`22:45.26`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`i can't think of anything i changed that would do it`
`22:45.35`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`perhaps something in the ResourceDatabase`
`22:51.19`	`scanline`	`=)`
`22:54.41`	`scanline`	`http://jetstream.babylonia.flatirons.org/download/ttt1.avi`
`22:55.16`	`jzaun`	`I've been looking threw the menu and hudui code, an chance there is a document on how to use it :-)`
`22:55.46`	`scanline`	`jzaun: there's some documentation on picogui in general, but none on how to use it in a game`
`22:55.49`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`jzaun: nope`
`22:55.54`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`scanline: bzflag hud`
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`22:55.59`	`scanline`	`oops :)`
`22:56.25`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`jzaun: just take comfort in the fact that its not nearly as scary as it used to be`
`22:56.46`	`jzaun`	`proton[BGDFH]: thats not saying much :-)`
`22:56.50`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`ie: coordinates for where various things went were encoded into the rgb file`
`22:58.06`	`jzaun`	`scanline: thats a big issue too`
`22:58.28`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`scanline: so high quality!`
`22:58.38`	`scanline`	`indeed`
`22:59.09`	`scanline`	`I even made sure to remove the little legal notice that always scrolls across the bottom`
`22:59.23`	`jzaun`	`I wonder is I should just redo the code from scratch with a simple interface, or wether I should learn the current code`
`22:59.36`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`we could rewrite bzflag with libpgserver`
`22:59.49`	`jzaun`	`libpgserver?`
`22:59.53`	`scanline`	`bzflag needs a movie recorder =)`
`22:59.55`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`picogui`
`23:00.16`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`heh, gamedev folks were pissed about our movie recorder`
`23:00.18`	`jzaun`	`is picogui cross platform?`
`23:00.24`	`scanline`	`jzaun: in theory :)`
`23:00.48`	`scanline`	`It's designed to be easy to port, but so far I only know of people using it with linux`
`23:01.04`	`jzaun`	`the other question would be, is picogui more than we need? all that bzflag uses is a simple menu system and text input`
`23:01.28`	`jzaun`	`scanline: if you port it to every OS out there I'll re-write bzflag to use it :-)`
`23:02.56`	`scanline`	`I've used picogui on OS X, it's just a pain to compile`
`23:03.26`	`scanline`	`OS 9 port should be possible, but I don't want to be the one to do it :)`
`23:03.32`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`heh`
`23:04.19`	`scanline`	`right now the biggest hurdle in porting is the build system.. it's based on LKC, so it depends pretty heavily on bash. I'd like to eventually rewrite it in python so it's as portable as possible`
`23:04.57`	`jzaun`	`sounds like it a bit away from being ready for BZF`
`23:05.09`	`scanline`	`probably`
`23:05.20`	`scanline`	`there's also no C++ client library for it yet`
`23:05.34`	`scanline`	`that's fine for jetstream, since all the GUI code is in python`
`23:05.50`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`hmm scanline`
`23:06.15`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`if we do write a split-screen mode like bzflag's view, i should be able to get us some time on the onyx`
`23:06.40`	`scanline`	`hehe, that'd be cool`
`23:06.50`	`jzaun`	`BZFlag, the transparent controlpanel option you want me to add back in, you want it to look like it did (no graphics, very simple, etc.)?`
`23:07.49`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`jzaun: the issue for me with that is the fact that you can see just about the entire screen - i'm fine with any changes to my look so long as i can still get a pretty much full-screen view`
`23:08.37`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`scanline: for our play-god world builder, we need to add trackd functionality ;)`
`23:08.50`	`jzaun`	`proton[BGDFH]: The idea I had was to just remove the current graphical background and clean it up with a nice glrecti or two`
`23:08.55`	`scanline`	`proton[BGDFH]: trackd?`
`23:09.09`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`scanline: input daemon for such things as the pinch-gloves`
`23:09.16`	`scanline`	`wow, Qt finally finished compiling`
`23:09.26`	`scanline`	`proton[BGDFH]: ooh, that'd be cool!`
`23:09.35`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`so you start with a sphere`
`23:09.42`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`then you reach out and "pull" mountains out of it`
`23:09.53`	`scanline`	`hehe... poke poke there's a lake`
`23:10.34`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`then once we have some general parameters to start with, we can generate the world, then do erosion simulations on it`
`23:10.44`	`*** join/#bzflag vogon (6e02905ba6@64.40.62.195)`
`23:12.26`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`i'll send an email to gwen regarding getting some time to try to set up pgserver & friends`
`23:13.42`	`scanline`	`hmm.. there are some SGI systems pretty darn cheap on ebay`
`23:13.56`	`scanline`	`100mhz Indigo 2 for $7.95 :)`
`23:14.26`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`haha`
`23:15.45`	`scanline`	`http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=11223&item=2082518105`
`23:16.06`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`well, damage is done`
`23:16.21`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`hopefully i'll get some time to port pgserver & friends over`
`23:16.29`	`scanline`	`good luck`
`23:17.03`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`ibot ducatictf`
`23:17.11`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`happy christmas all`
`23:18.11`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`we should probably start out with a little generation script that works sorta like the original civilization :)`
`23:19.19`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`heh`
`23:31.04`	`BZFlag`	`jzaun: simple yes. exactly the same? could be, but I'm open.`
`23:33.10`	`jzaun`	`BZFlag: ok, I'll work on something and post a screenshot for you to look at`
`23:36.46`	`jzaun`	`gonna take some time though :-)`
`23:38.10`	`BZFlag`	`np`
`23:40.51`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`sooo`
`23:41.20`	`scanline`	`proton[BGDFH]: wahoo. I just added a bunch of debug that graphically shows the neighbor pointers, and it's obvious they're getting very messed up in split()`
`23:43.05`	`BZFlag`	`scanline: huh? bz or pg?`
`23:43.13`	`scanline`	`jetstream`
`23:43.38`	`scanline`	`this isn't picogui stuff, it's for jetstream's Surface object.. but we could get a room for jetstream :)`
`23:46.45`	`*** join/#bzflag captain_pistachi (~jupiter@12-253-125-169.client.attbi.com)`
`23:46.45`	`*** mode/#bzflag [+o captain_pistachi] by ChanServ`
`23:46.57`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`meef`
`23:47.51`	`Patlabor221`	`is that related to beef?`
`23:48.07`	`Patlabor221`	`the meat of the dog cow?`
`23:50.29`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`no`
`23:50.31`	`proton[BGDFH]`	`just meef`
`23:55.30`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`need red`
`23:55.31`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`ref`
`23:55.34`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`59999`

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