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| 00:16.23 | BZFlag | MrApathyCream: whichever you like. I like debian cause once it's installed upgrades and adding packages is so easy. |
| 00:17.00 | BZFlag | and cause you can send patches to the developer and actually have a prayer of them being reviewed and added in a timely manner. |
| 00:19.39 | captain_proton | debian is difficult to install |
| 00:19.44 | captain_proton | redhat 8 is probably more user friendly |
| 00:20.45 | [dmp] | any ducati admins here? |
| 00:35.37 | iluxa | ibot: ducati |
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| 01:27.15 | Widget | Meh/ |
| 01:33.13 | iluxa | Widget? |
| 01:35.52 | scanline | aha, got the hang of this... |
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| 02:08.06 | Razzberry | HI folks. |
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| 03:12.01 | Widget | iluxa? |
| 03:19.00 | iluxa | Widget: I was curious about "<Widget> Meh/" |
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| 04:35.44 | PatLabor221 | . |
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| 05:41.59 | Widget | http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Hangar/5176/replays/gm0013.htm |
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| 06:32.17 | ZlinX | hey jzaun! |
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| 07:21.37 | MrApathyCream | captain_proton: user friendly is probably more my style... redhat is is |
| 07:21.53 | MrApathyCream | i have to resurrect a machine |
| 07:25.55 | MrApathyCream | have a dual350 with nt server on it, spose i could scrap that |
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| 07:41.32 | polin8 | hay all, anyone here use a matrox 450? |
| 07:46.14 | polin8 | I'm only getting 30fps at best, trying to figure out if its just the limit of the card, or if its in my settings somewhere |
| 07:51.16 | sussudio | win or lin |
| 07:52.00 | PatLabor221 | and is your refresh set to 60? |
| 07:52.44 | polin8 | lin |
| 07:52.52 | sussudio | what drivers |
| 07:52.53 | polin8 | not dure what the refresh is set to |
| 07:53.11 | polin8 | standard X drivers |
| 07:53.30 | polin8 | where would I found out the refresh rate? |
| 07:53.42 | PatLabor221 | x config |
| 07:53.50 | sussudio | use the accelerated drivers on dri.sourceforge.net |
| 07:54.08 | polin8 | cool thanks |
| 07:55.23 | polin8 | the refresh rate in XF86Config is 48-170 |
| 07:55.32 | PatLabor221 | that's a range |
| 07:55.38 | PatLabor221 | get the accelerated drivers first |
| 07:55.41 | polin8 | k |
| 07:55.45 | PatLabor221 | thats' your bigest problme |
| 07:58.44 | BZFlag | MrApathyCream: I still like debian. redhat is easier to install, but debian is much easier to maintain. |
| 07:59.38 | BZFlag | well, redhat ie easy to maintain from what I hear, if you sign up for the redhat network. |
| 07:59.58 | BZFlag | not so much packaged software included though. |
| 08:00.03 | BZFlag | ~dstats |
| 08:00.19 | captain_proton | BZFlag: redhat's default install has a nice windowsey X/gnome config too |
| 08:01.38 | BZFlag | captain_proton: nod. though /me is happy with command line config, not all folks are. webmin works well in debian from what I'm told. |
| 08:02.45 | captain_proton | BZFlag: for someone like apathy, it will help a lot :) |
| 08:03.53 | BZFlag | captain_proton: perhaps. I keep hearing from newbies that they hate trying to resolve dependacies on installs and they wish they knew where to find package x etc. |
| 08:04.09 | BZFlag | debian handles that better than any distro I'm aware of. |
| 08:04.35 | BZFlag | though if you're not on a fast net connect, it's not nearly as fun. ;-) |
| 08:05.18 | BZFlag | "apt-cache search foo", "apt-get install foo" are your friends. ;-) |
| 08:06.06 | PatLabor221 | redhat package manager will list and find, and download packages for me |
| 08:06.32 | BZFlag | 18G of packages with all dependancies resolved? |
| 08:07.03 | PatLabor221 | that I don't know, I don't know how large the DB is, but it does tell me when I need more stuff to resolve the dependencys |
| 08:07.24 | PatLabor221 | so when I want something it gets me all I need for it, then instals them |
| 08:08.17 | captain_proton | BZFlag: rpmfind.net is lovely :) |
| 08:08.23 | BZFlag | hmm. when I was a redhat user, that was not my experience. and it's not the experience I hear from others. |
| 08:09.33 | MrApathyCream | <captain_proton>: for someone like apathy :):) |
| 08:09.41 | PatLabor221 | and me |
| 08:09.44 | MrApathyCream | yes, please. I don't see the fun in rebuilding the kernel |
| 08:09.45 | BZFlag | rpmfind.net is not lovely. I hated it. it's better than nothing, but to have rh, mandrake, pld, suse, turbo, etc packages all in the mix and not know for sure which was built for which and which exact versions of libs they are expecting was extremely frustrating for me. |
| 08:09.50 | MrApathyCream | everyday on the hour |
| 08:10.10 | PatLabor221 | or to just install video drivers :) |
| 08:10.25 | BZFlag | MrApathyCream: so don't. apt-get install kernel-binary-2.4 should keep you happy. |
| 08:11.20 | MrApathyCream | alrite i'll try debian first. |
| 08:11.33 | sussudio | yay |
| 08:11.43 | BZFlag | MrApathyCream: I'm _not_ saying debian is better at everything. it's not. |
| 08:12.13 | MrApathyCream | I dread repartitioning.... there's nothing worse |
| 08:12.16 | BZFlag | I am saying the _I_ like it. and that upgrades and after install package adds are its strong point. |
| 08:12.38 | MrApathyCream | I also have to drag good ole 'floorshaker' over to the desk |
| 08:12.57 | BZFlag | I hear mandrake can do repartitioning during the install with fat resizing. anyone confirm or deny? |
| 08:13.38 | MrApathyCream | Bah, it's got a fooked up NT Server on it anyway, it really needs a freshy |
| 08:15.12 | captain_proton | BZFlag: know any documents on ISOLINUX? |
| 08:17.43 | BZFlag | ISOLINUX? |
| 08:17.50 | BZFlag | ~isolinux |
| 08:17.51 | | BZFlag: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 08:17.55 | BZFlag | ~knoppix |
| 08:17.56 | | extra, extra, read all about it, knoppix is a bootable CD with a collection of GNU/Linux software, automatic hardware detection, and support for most hardware. KNOPPIX can be used as a Linux demo, educational CD, rescue system, or adapted and used as a platform for commercial software product demos. It is not necessary to install anything on a hard disk. |
| 08:18.14 | BZFlag | something like knoppix? |
| 08:18.38 | MrApathyCream | so anyway, has anyone a plan for e8? |
| 08:19.20 | captain_proton | BZFlag: isolinux is a boot loader, i'm trying to make a bzflag gentoo livecd |
| 08:20.08 | captain_proton | because i want to get a big group going in the lab |
| 08:20.58 | BZFlag | ahh. why not start with a knoppix cd? it will detect video/audio drivers etc. |
| 08:21.04 | captain_proton | so will a gentoo livecd |
| 08:22.23 | BZFlag | isolinux is a linux cd based bootloader see http://syslinux.zytor.com/iso.php |
| 08:25.02 | captain_proton | knoppix is too large a starting point |
| 08:25.09 | captain_proton | i want to fit this on the cute little mini-cds |
| 08:25.57 | BZFlag | ah |
| 08:26.56 | BZFlag | MrApathyCream: plan is that everyone should add stuph. ;-) |
| 08:28.02 | captain_proton | thanks for the isolinux link, gives me exactly what i need to know |
| 08:28.47 | MrApathyCream | BZFlag: want any of the patches? |
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| 08:32.38 | DrVankman | Hey! Everyone's on |
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| 08:34.55 | BZFlag | MrApathyCream: patches welcome. |
| 08:35.01 | DrVankman | Aha, got a real IRC client now |
| 08:35.48 | MrApathyCream | BZFlag: i mean, want any patches -> cvs? |
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| 08:36.14 | MrApathyCream | or, ... what needs to be in before e8 is 'done' |
| 08:36.15 | BZFlag | are there patches that you would recommend? |
| 08:36.31 | BZFlag | well, I need to finish the layout work. |
| 08:37.49 | MrApathyCream | ignore client->server MsgScore packet? |
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| 08:40.47 | BZFlag | MrApathyCream: that needs some testing. if we add it well have to have some admins test it for a while. |
| 08:41.11 | BZFlag | I'll run it on one but that's not the fastest server around ;-/ |
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| 09:27.11 | captain_proton | grumble |
| 09:27.14 | captain_proton | its quite cranky] |
| 09:50.34 | polin8 | oops |
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| 10:29.46 | ak|ra | moin all |
| 10:30.04 | ak|ra | yeah .. my usbmemory stick works fine with linux :)) hahahaha .. 128 mb transportable meda :) |
| 10:30.23 | sussudio | hey i have 700MB of transportable media... it's called a CDRW |
| 10:30.58 | ak|ra | but the cdrw needs 2 things: a cdburner and the space of a cd |
| 10:31.11 | ak|ra | my stick just needs usb and a little pocket |
| 10:31.13 | ak|ra | :) |
| 10:31.16 | sussudio | yeah and your usb stick needs U S B |
| 10:32.02 | sussudio | and wait, there's more........ |
| 10:32.07 | sussudio | a cdrw costs like an euro |
| 10:32.27 | ak|ra | but not the burner |
| 10:32.35 | ak|ra | every pc got usb inside now |
| 10:32.48 | sussudio | 1) you dont need a burner to read cdrw |
| 10:33.02 | sussudio | 2) no, most people will actually have older pc's which dont even have usb |
| 10:33.14 | ak|ra | not to read .. but the stick is always read / writable |
| 10:33.31 | sussudio | no its not. without an usb port. |
| 10:33.50 | ak|ra | there are more people with usbport than with a burner |
| 10:34.17 | sussudio | nope |
| 10:34.26 | ak|ra | yes |
| 10:34.46 | sussudio | you say yes, but the facts speak against you, hence, you are wrong |
| 10:34.55 | ak|ra | proove your facts |
| 10:35.08 | sussudio | you are a monkey |
| 10:35.11 | ak|ra | ah |
| 10:35.15 | ak|ra | like always ... |
| 10:35.41 | ak|ra | its better to put you on constant ignorelist |
| 10:35.47 | sussudio | and you will once again be in my ignore list, you retarded fuckwad. |
| 10:37.46 | BZFlag | sussudio: watch the language. |
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| 11:05.03 | ak|ra | http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2002/11/1120_021120_GeoRoperSurvey.html :) |
| 11:36.12 | [TeA]_ | huhu |
| 11:36.19 | [TeA]_ | ibot ducati |
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| 11:36.21 | bzbot | Server is empty |
| 11:36.24 | [TeA]_ | iiiiiiiiiih |
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| 14:05.02 | bomber | moin |
| 14:06.01 | akira_ | hoi |
| 14:07.40 | bomber | ibot ducati? |
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| 14:07.42 | bzbot | Yeti (G): 0 (25-25). pluto (R): 7 (26-19). asdf (R): 6 (30-24). |
| 14:08.48 | akira_ | nimeand da :) |
| 14:10.52 | bomber | :o)) |
| 14:11.11 | bomber | ICH WILL NICHT SPIELEN |
| 14:11.23 | akira_ | jaja |
| 14:11.33 | akira_ | wie war der tee mit pingu? |
| 14:11.47 | bomber | gestern habe ich zuviel gespielt |
| 14:12.08 | bomber | tee war heiss...:o)) |
| 14:12.23 | bomber | uebrigens habe ich martini getrunken |
| 14:19.29 | akira_ | aaah :) |
| 14:25.14 | akira_ | bbbbrbrrrr |
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| 15:02.10 | bomber | welche akira ist richtige jetzt |
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| 15:48.41 | akira_ | moin coop |
| 15:49.12 | MrCooper_ | hey akira_ |
| 16:12.35 | ak|ra | :) |
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| 16:18.31 | ak|ra | moin insect |
| 16:18.39 | Cell | hi |
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| 16:23.02 | Cell | hey captain, have to go off deck(land work to be done), bye |
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| 16:24.44 | bomber | ibot ducati? |
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| 16:24.46 | bzbot | [meq] freelancer (R): 21 (58-37). pluto (R): 83 (170-87). Riseman (R): 38 (87-49). vvv (G): -101 (40-141). Patt O. Wc (G): -3 (4-7). God-fearer (G): -116 (56-172). The Arteest (R): 0 (83-83). nobody (G): -64 (83-147). @DeadMeat (B): 0 (0-0). |
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| 17:51.17 | snyke | bzfquerylong 212.239.205.182 5155 |
| 17:51.18 | bzbot | Wilinckx (G): 12 (30-18). dolphin (r): 3 (29-26). NilFilter (B): -16 (32-48). snyke (G): -17 (9-26). |
| 17:51.26 | snyke | heh :) |
| 17:51.33 | snyke | I love being worse :) |
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| 17:55.37 | Terminator | hi all |
| 17:55.45 | Terminator | ibot ducati |
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| 17:55.47 | bzbot | nobody (G): -4 (1-5). baptiste (R): -9 (38-47). Freshman (R): 2 (211-209). SGI (G): -1 (8-9). strayer (G): 21 (55-34). |
| 17:55.57 | Terminator | ibot ducati ffa |
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| 17:56.00 | bzbot | Server is empty |
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| 18:01.20 | ak|ra | hello terminator |
| 18:01.22 | ak|ra | hello jolly |
| 18:01.25 | Terminator | hi |
| 18:01.28 | jolly | hey akira |
| 18:01.36 | Terminator | akira ducati ffa? |
| 18:01.49 | ak|ra | no, stuff to do :) |
| 18:02.02 | Terminator | lol u know i'll beat u |
| 18:02.07 | ak|ra | haha |
| 18:02.07 | Terminator | anyone else? |
| 18:02.09 | Terminator | hehe |
| 18:02.29 | Terminator | ibot ducati ffa |
| 18:02.30 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5155 |
| 18:02.31 | bzbot | Server is empty |
| 18:02.34 | Terminator | damn |
| 18:03.10 | Terminator | (beep) |
| 18:03.18 | Terminator | (drums) |
| 18:03.40 | ak|ra | bloenk |
| 18:03.41 | Terminator | LMAO |
| 18:03.57 | Terminator | i like trillian smilyes |
| 18:04.06 | Terminator | lots of em make noises |
| 18:07.56 | Terminator | ibot dumb is <reply> dumb? u must be a madman. | <reply> i know u are, but what am i? | <action> thinks that sumone is drunk, idiotic or a robot abuser |
| 18:07.57 | | ...but dumb is already something else... |
| 18:08.04 | Terminator | ibot dumb |
| 18:08.05 | | A 3D game engine, reminiscent of id software's Doom. URL: http://samba.anu.edu.au/dumb/ |
| 18:08.13 | Terminator | damn |
| 18:08.39 | Terminator | ibot forget dumb |
| 18:08.40 | | Terminator: i forgot dumb |
| 18:08.56 | Terminator | ibot dumb is <reply> dumb? u must be a madman. | <reply> i know u are, but what am i? | <action> thinks that sumone is drunk, idiotic or a robot abuser |
| 18:08.56 | | Terminator: okay |
| 18:09.05 | Terminator | ibot forget terminator |
| 18:09.05 | | i forgot terminator, Terminator |
| 18:09.11 | Terminator | yay |
| 18:09.23 | Terminator | ibot dumb |
| 18:09.23 | | dumb? u must be a madman. | <reply> i know u are, but what am i? | <action> thinks that sumone is drunk, idiotic or a robot abuser |
| 18:09.30 | Terminator | huh |
| 18:09.39 | Terminator | i did suthing wrong |
| 18:09.48 | Terminator | letme try again |
| 18:09.54 | Terminator | ibot forget dumb |
| 18:09.54 | | i forgot dumb, Terminator |
| 18:10.32 | Terminator | ibot dumb is <reply> dumb? u must be a madman. ¦ <reply> i know u are, but what am i? ¦ <action> thinks that sumone is drunk, idiotic or a robot abuser |
| 18:10.33 | | Terminator: okay |
| 18:10.38 | Terminator | ibot dumb |
| 18:10.39 | | dumb? u must be a madman. ¦ <reply> i know u are, but what am i? ¦ <action> thinks that sumone is drunk, idiotic or a robot abuser |
| 18:10.46 | Terminator | ugh |
| 18:10.58 | Terminator | ibot dumb is <reply> dumb? u must be a madman. |<reply> i know u are, but what am i? |<action> thinks that sumone is drunk, idiotic or a robot abuser |
| 18:10.59 | | ...but dumb is already something else... |
| 18:11.04 | Terminator | oops |
| 18:11.09 | Terminator | ibot forget dumb |
| 18:11.09 | | i forgot dumb, Terminator |
| 18:11.19 | Terminator | ibot dumb is <reply> dumb? u must be a madman. |<reply> i know u are, but what am i? |<action> thinks that sumone is drunk, idiotic or a robot abuser |
| 18:11.20 | | okay, Terminator |
| 18:11.29 | Terminator | ibot dumb |
| 18:11.30 | | dumb? u must be a madman. |<reply> i know u are, but what am i? |<action> thinks that sumone is drunk, idiotic or a robot abuser |
| 18:11.38 | Terminator | ugh i give up |
| 18:11.45 | Terminator | ibot for dumb |
| 18:11.46 | | Terminator: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 18:11.50 | Terminator | cuz ur dumb |
| 18:11.57 | Terminator | oops i ment |
| 18:12.01 | Terminator | ibot forget dumb |
| 18:12.01 | | i forgot dumb, Terminator |
| 18:12.04 | *** part/#bzflag Terminator (~Terminato@public1-seve4-6-cust16.walt.broadband.ntl.com) |
| 18:25.20 | BZFlag | ~no, dumb is <reply>dumb? You must be a madman.||<reply>I know you are, but what am I?||<action>thinks that sumone is drunk, idiotic or a robot abuser. |
| 18:25.36 | BZFlag | ~dumb is <reply>dumb? You must be a madman.||<reply>I know you are, but what am I?||<action>thinks that sumone is drunk, idiotic or a robot abuser. |
| 18:25.37 | | okay, BZFlag |
| 18:25.48 | BZFlag | ~dumb |
| 18:25.49 | | ACTION thinks that sumone is drunk, idiotic or a robot abuser. |
| 18:26.00 | BZFlag | ~no, dumb is <reply>dumb? You must be a madman.||<reply>I know you are, but what am I?||<action>thinks that someone is drunk, idiotic or a robot abuser. |
| 18:27.11 | ak|ra | hello bzflag .. awake :) ? |
| 18:28.05 | Patlabor221 | last one shoul be and/or not just or :) |
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| 19:34.08 | Cell | yaw |
| 19:34.46 | Cell | im afraid that im starting llosing my hair, how u know if u do? |
| 19:34.52 | Cell | lol(no joke) |
| 19:37.18 | Cell | u sU** !!! |
| 19:42.31 | Cell | but only a little bit |
| 19:43.45 | iluxa | ibot: ducati |
| 19:43.45 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 19:43.46 | bzbot | Server is empty |
| 19:43.52 | iluxa | *sigh* |
| 19:44.55 | akira_ | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5155 |
| 19:44.56 | bzbot | strayer (r): 29 (103-74). Korusef (r): -7 (9-16). flynn (R): -3 (11-14). Chestal (r): 3 (14-11). |
| 19:44.58 | iluxa | BTW, are there any plans to change BZFlag protocolto make cheating harder? |
| 19:45.24 | Cell | whats easier to check if a point is inside a rectangle or a circle? |
| 19:45.49 | iluxa | same difference |
| 19:45.59 | Cell | same? |
| 19:46.14 | iluxa | Well, for circle it will be bit more complex |
| 19:46.36 | BZFlag | akira_: yep, again. |
| 19:46.39 | iluxa | calculate circle radius, calculate distance to center |
| 19:46.53 | Cell | so if i test against a circle its better to test against the containing rect first |
| 19:46.55 | iluxa | if d<r, it's inside |
| 19:47.30 | Cell | which requires 4 compares at worst case |
| 19:48.32 | Cell | better if d*d < r*r but nevertheless d is expesive to calc |
| 19:50.04 | BZFlag | iluxa: yes. |
| 19:50.19 | iluxa | yes to unti-cheating plans? |
| 19:50.25 | iluxa | s/u/a/ |
| 19:50.41 | BZFlag | yes. the question is when. |
| 19:50.59 | iluxa | And the answer? |
| 19:51.18 | BZFlag | when we have time. |
| 19:51.24 | iluxa | lol |
| 19:51.32 | BZFlag | ~emulate BZFlag |
| 19:51.33 | | patches welcome |
| 19:51.57 | iluxa | Well, I don't have enough time right now |
| 19:52.12 | BZFlag | 1.7e8 will ship first, then we plan to break the network compatibility |
| 19:52.35 | iluxa | *if* I get enough time, I'll send patches to make 1.7 almost compilable under IRIX+gcc :) |
| 19:52.55 | iluxa | still requires some fm, but I got it to work |
| 19:58.11 | Cell | how can the many if statements be reduced in bzflag code? |
| 19:59.46 | Cell | i hate long if statements with 5-10 conditions in the () |
| 19:59.57 | iluxa | that's yor problem |
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| 20:00.17 | strayer | hiho :) |
| 20:00.20 | Cell | yes i know |
| 20:06.41 | akira_ | hio |
| 20:06.47 | akira_ | na strayer |
| 20:06.49 | akira_ | alles gruen? |
| 20:07.00 | strayer | jo...solala |
| 20:07.14 | strayer | hast keine Lust mehr zum Zocken? |
| 20:07.15 | akira_ | fette beute aufm server gemacht was? :) |
| 20:07.31 | akira_ | ne, ich bin heute nur so in +10 stimmung und muss gleich los |
| 20:07.55 | strayer | aso |
| 20:08.08 | strayer | naja...fette beute ist zuviel...waren zT ja newBs |
| 20:08.14 | akira_ | ich weiss :) |
| 20:08.23 | akira_ | von chest und mir haste immer einen abbekommen :) |
| 20:08.52 | strayer | ja leider....aber sonst wärs zu langweilig geworden... |
| 20:09.01 | akira_ | das mag sein |
| 20:09.07 | strayer | zumal ihr heute beide nit so gut drauf wart....*freu* |
| 20:09.09 | akira_ | ich bin in der uni an den kisten da besser |
| 20:09.18 | akira_ | hier zu hause bin ich noch nich richtig warm gewordern |
| 20:09.51 | strayer | glaub ich |
| 20:10.07 | strayer | aber ich bin nach max 5 min auf der höhe und bau dann wieder rasant ab |
| 20:10.09 | akira_ | ich muss hier immer nachfassen fuer die fixen drehungen .. baeh |
| 20:10.47 | strayer | tja....stell doch höhere sensitivität ein |
| 20:11.04 | akira_ | ich weiss noch nich .. mal sehen |
| 20:11.19 | akira_ | ich brauch primaer vertikal mehr . horizontal ist ok so |
| 20:11.35 | strayer | kann man das trennen? |
| 20:12.18 | akira_ | deswegen wollt ichs in den code hacken |
| 20:12.23 | akira_ | strayer: immer noch kein team? |
| 20:13.09 | strayer | öhem...nein...alle team mit Spielern, die ich mag, sind meist schon zu voll |
| 20:13.43 | strayer | wenn mirella mal permanent nen guten ping hinbekommt machen wir vielleicht mal ein team auf |
| 20:15.09 | BZFlag | just committed some more cvs display changes. with opacity=1.0 in your config you should now get a smaller viewport and faster render times. there are still a few things that need cleaning. |
| 20:16.32 | akira_ | BZFlag: why dont you like a "fat" optionmenue for all those config settings? |
| 20:17.53 | BZFlag | have not tried it lately. concerned with small displays. I support down to 256x192 |
| 20:18.26 | BZFlag | if you can get one that works better than the current (ie: larger fonts) then I'm up for it. |
| 20:18.45 | akira_ | ? |
| 20:18.47 | akira_ | for me? |
| 20:19.23 | BZFlag | I welcome patches that add more options to the menus if the menus end up with larger (not smaller) fonts. |
| 20:19.49 | BZFlag | ideally the number of options on each page would vary at different resolutions. |
| 20:20.00 | akira_ | cant follow you :) |
| 20:20.06 | Chestal | bzflag: latest patch used a new sub menu which collects all settings whcih affect the appearence, but not the rendering, in one place |
| 20:20.25 | Chestal | hmm, recompiling e7 |
| 20:21.27 | BZFlag | Chestal: yes, and it added back the control panel. so I did not apply it. |
| 20:21.44 | akira_ | Chestal: BZFlag cant follow both of you |
| 20:21.47 | BZFlag | the new (current cvs) has a smaller display option without the panel. |
| 20:22.00 | Chestal | bzflag: yes, I know, just suggesting to re-add the additional options in this way |
| 20:22.18 | BZFlag | fonts >= current size? |
| 20:23.14 | Chestal | hmm, e7 doesn't refresh corectly for me |
| 20:23.27 | Chestal | no change to font size AFAIR, we'll see |
| 20:24.18 | Chestal | loosk weird both with and withotu opacity=1.0 here |
| 20:24.23 | BZFlag | doesn't refresh? |
| 20:24.33 | BZFlag | make clean;make |
| 20:24.33 | Chestal | I think the problem is that sky/groudn is not drawn corectly |
| 20:24.36 | Chestal | I did |
| 20:24.55 | Chestal | I am using quality=low with software rendering, so sky/groudn is drawn with just two rectangles |
| 20:25.09 | Chestal | the coordinated of those are not drawn corectly |
| 20:25.49 | Chestal | set quality=low and you'll see |
| 20:29.08 | BZFlag | just did. quality low, textures off, sw rendering, ok with both opacity at 1.0 or 0.3 |
| 20:29.21 | Chestal | hmm |
| 20:29.47 | Chestal | for me, sky and groudn only cover about 1/4 from the top |
| 20:30.55 | BZFlag | sky should be 1/2 screen with o!=1 and 3/8 screen with o=1 |
| 20:31.28 | Chestal | it looks like sky=0-0.25 and ground=0.25-0.5 |
| 20:31.40 | Chestal | opacity=0.0 now |
| 20:32.22 | Chestal | are you sure you are in sync with CVS? |
| 20:33.13 | BZFlag | got "if (isFullView)" in src/bzflag/MainWindow.cxx ? |
| 20:33.19 | BZFlag | yep. just did a cvs up. |
| 20:33.33 | BZFlag | touch src/bzflag/MainWindow.cxx and then make |
| 20:34.20 | Chestal | what line? |
| 20:35.33 | BZFlag | 139 |
| 20:35.48 | BZFlag | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:35.48 | BZFlag | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:35.48 | BZFlag | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:35.48 | BZFlag | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:35.57 | Chestal | not here |
| 20:36.07 | BZFlag | so you're not up with cvs. |
| 20:36.08 | Chestal | but cvs diff -u says nothing |
| 20:36.24 | BZFlag | cvs diff won't cause it diffs the version you have checked out. |
| 20:36.48 | Chestal | ah, so you changed it a few minutes ago? |
| 20:36.53 | Chestal | I did cvs up not long ago |
| 20:37.14 | BZFlag | yes. just 1/2 hour ago or so. |
| 20:37.47 | Chestal | ok, rebuilding |
| 20:40.34 | BZFlag | fixing mouse... |
| 20:41.15 | BZFlag | cvs up again. ;-) |
| 20:41.28 | Chestal | ok, looks much better now |
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| 20:46.32 | larsl | Has anyone managed to build 1.7e6 using GCC 3.2 ? |
| 20:47.50 | Chestal | the fonts might need some further work |
| 20:48.07 | Chestal | lars: I guess it doesn't withotu changes |
| 20:48.17 | Chestal | current CVS code has a fix for that |
| 20:48.31 | Chestal | bzflag: framerate is still significantly lower then with e4, I wonder why |
| 20:48.32 | BZFlag | larsl: 1.7e7 (ie cvs) is supposed to work. |
| 20:48.38 | larsl | Is it stable? |
| 20:48.50 | BZFlag | Chestal: fonts? explain. |
| 20:49.12 | Chestal | BZFlag: with opacity=1.0 and my standard res 800x600 the font sizes are now diffeernt than they used to be |
| 20:49.21 | Chestal | bzflag: some of them lok ugly |
| 20:49.34 | Chestal | bzflag: especially the big font used for 'Score:' |
| 20:49.53 | BZFlag | Chestal: different, yes. ugly or just not your preferred layout? |
| 20:50.05 | Chestal | BZFlag: the big font is hard to read now |
| 20:50.25 | Chestal | bzflag: the scoreboard is usign a smaller font, I think I coudkl get used to that because it looks ok |
| 20:50.29 | larsl | Why is 1.8 to be retired? |
| 20:50.42 | Chestal | bzflag: with opacity=1.0 the mesage area and radar are a bit larger? |
| 20:53.54 | BZFlag | Chestal: yes. |
| 20:54.18 | Chestal | BZFlag: I noticed becuase I get different font sizes for the message area in 800x600 :-) |
| 20:54.31 | BZFlag | larsl: it need more work than folks wanted to do. |
| 20:54.41 | larsl | Oh. Too bad. |
| 20:54.45 | BZFlag | some pieces will be salvaged as we move along |
| 21:07.01 | BZFlag | Chestal: so thoughts? |
| 21:07.24 | BZFlag | I get about the same frame rate as with the old control panel under software rendering. |
| 21:08.39 | larsl | The current CVS version refuses to run in a window on my computer, is that a known problem? |
| 21:10.00 | larsl | It even hangs before showing the menu. |
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| 22:34.39 | BZFlag | 1.8 or 1.7? 1.7 works fine here. been a while since I tried 1.8 in a window. |
| 22:44.23 | Chestal | BZflag: I'll try curent version tomorrow. Teh difference in frame rates might be because e6 is drawing mesage area in every frame, IIRC e4 had an optimization where it was only drawn when soemthing changes |
| 22:44.34 | Chestal | probably had to go due to the translucency |
| 22:44.36 | Chestal | bye for today |
| 22:47.16 | fiberchunks | hello...I've a problem when connecting to a server from two clients behind a router, can anyone help out? |
| 22:48.16 | fiberchunks | setup: inet -> modem ->linksys router ->two machines (192.168.1.50, 192.168.1.51)...when 51 connects, and I am already connected, I go all [nr] |
| 22:48.36 | fiberchunks | then I leave, and he goes all [nr] |
| 22:50.13 | fiberchunks | ah well, I'll ask again later |
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| 23:53.49 | *** topic/#bzflag is Updated BZEdit Windows http://www.artemisgames.com/bzedit || rank: http://happypenguin.org/show?BZFlag || bzedit 2.1! http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/older/code/tarballs/ || http://stats.bzflag.org/ || http://www.chesco.com/~dbrosius/BZFlag/BZFlag.html || http://BZFlag.org 1.7e6 (Armoured Smashing Fist 2002) || 1.7 will become HEAD, 1.8 to be retired And It's SILL ALL DOUG'S FAULT :) |
| 23:53.50 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o ibot] by ChanServ |
| 23:53.50 | captain_proton | ? |
| 23:57.05 | fiberchunks | captain_proton: do you have any idea about my above problem? |
| 23:58.34 | captain_proton | fiberchunks: i'd say it was a faulty NAT implementation on your router |
| 23:58.38 | captain_proton | maybe check for new firmware? |