| 00:02.19 | MrApathyCream | hey cappy |
| 00:48.04 | eddienull | *yawn* |
| 00:55.52 | eddienull | okay, I've updated the mac os x port of 1.7 in cvs. shouldn't break any other platforms, anyone care to test for me? :) |
| 01:12.09 | eddienull | wb capt'n |
| 01:20.40 | swine | mrApathycream, sorry about the server crash (swines sty) whole system locked up on me |
| 01:21.33 | swine | second time its done that dont know why( scratches head) |
| 01:39.14 | MrApathyCream | no problem |
| 01:39.24 | MrApathyCream | eddienull: k |
| 01:39.31 | MrApathyCream | updating |
| 01:49.26 | MrApathyCream | still compiles and runs on windoze |
| 02:02.56 | eddienull | 8) |
| 02:53.06 | pediddle | maybe i'm a retard, but how do i set my Name and stuff in the stats.bzflag.org player directory? |
| 04:13.41 | [TeA] | ibot ducati |
| 04:13.41 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 04:13.45 | bzbot | Server is empty |
| 04:24.20 | [TeA] | ZzzZzZzzzzzzzz.......... |
| 05:47.01 | Terminator | hi all |
| 05:57.15 | Terminator | ibot ducati |
| 05:57.15 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 05:57.17 | bzbot | [dmp] (R): -13 (53-66). strayer (G): 21 (69-48). lolita (G): 3 (21-18). calico (R): -4 (14-18). chris (G): -1 (8-9). |
| 05:57.21 | Terminator | yay |
| 06:21.15 | hoda | bzquerylong !*! |
| 06:21.22 | hoda | bzfquerylong !*! |
| 06:21.34 | hoda | :( |
| 06:56.10 | Terminator | g2g |
| 06:56.12 | Terminator | bbl |
| 07:20.01 | Terminator | hi all |
| 07:21.12 | Terminator | ibot ducati |
| 07:21.12 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 07:21.13 | bzbot | neptune (R): 1 (21-20). UmbrellaMan (G): -1 (6-7). Ikari Warrior (R): -29 (41-70). Ginku (G): 5 (17-12). redtail (G): -13 (18-31). [TLZ] Ajax (G): 26 (198-172). xabbu (R): -75 (112-187). -<Vins>- (R): -18 (125-143). |
| 07:28.36 | Chestal | hi Term |
| 07:34.19 | Pinguin | hola |
| 07:39.41 | Chestal | hi Ping |
| 07:41.17 | Pinguin | Wie kommt es das so viele Leute am Wochende im Büro sind ... |
| 07:41.56 | Chestal | du kannst doch gar nicht wissen, daß ich auch dort bin :-) |
| 07:42.06 | Pinguin | btw: unter RedHat 8.0 kann ich bzflag nicht mehr kompilieren :-( |
| 07:42.23 | Chestal | welche gcc-Version? |
| 07:42.40 | Pinguin | ich glaube 3.2 ... oder so |
| 07:42.51 | Pinguin | ich boote gerade das Ding ... |
| 07:43.08 | Chestal | mag sein, dass es Problem wegen Namespaces gibtmit >=3.0 |
| 07:43.22 | Chestal | brignt redhat denn keinen gcc-2.9x zusätzlich mit? |
| 07:43.25 | Pinguin | aha? ... was bedeutet das? |
| 07:44.33 | Pinguin | es ist 3.2-7 .... |
| 07:44.57 | Chestal | evtl. reicht es schon, in ne zentrale include-Datei (evtl. include/common.h oder include/global.h) ein 'using namespace std;' einzubauen, muss ich malprobieren |
| 07:45.11 | Chestal | sicher, dass du keinen ältern gcc zusätzlch draufhast? |
| 07:45.34 | Pinguin | habe ich nicht :-( ... auf dem Laptop ist auch nicht unglaublich viel Platz ... |
| 07:45.47 | Pinguin | habe nur das nötigste Installiert ... |
| 07:46.41 | Pinguin | ich probiers mal eben ... mit dem namespace zeugs |
| 07:47.18 | Pinguin | oha ... ich sehe gerade: compat-gcc-7.3-2.96.110.i386.rpm |
| 07:47.31 | Pinguin | das ist wohl das was Du meinst, oder? |
| 07:48.15 | Chestal | jo |
| 07:48.28 | Pinguin | Was ist nun der richtige Schritt? Compat oder includes modifizieren? |
| 07:50.17 | Chestal | ich versuch gerade mal mit 3.2 |
| 07:50.35 | Chestal | hmm |
| 07:50.37 | Chestal | ga rnet so leicht |
| 07:51.41 | Chestal | jede Menge warnings erstmal |
| 07:51.52 | Pinguin | habe ich auch ... |
| 07:51.54 | Chestal | also, bzflag 1.7 ist im Moemnt nicht wirklich auf g++ 3.x ausgelegt |
| 07:52.28 | Chestal | wann kriegst du Fehler? |
| 07:52.35 | Pinguin | Dumme Frage: wieso kann der sich der compiler so ändern? ... damit macht er doch vieles inkompatibel ... |
| 07:52.54 | Chestal | der 2.95er hält sich noch nicht in allem an den Standard |
| 07:53.45 | Chestal | und der C++-Standard hat sich so ueber etwa 10 Jahre hinweg entwickelt, ist nu alelrdigns auch schon wieder etwa 3 Jahre alt, daher wurds auch Zeit, dass sich g++ langsam dran hält |
| 07:54.01 | Pinguin | beim compilieren habe ich ständig cc1plus: warnign: ... |
| 07:54.16 | Chestal | jo, das kann man aber ignorieren erstmal |
| 07:54.21 | Pinguin | gilt das auch für normales C ? |
| 07:54.44 | Chestal | jain, das ist seitüber 10 Jahren stabil |
| 07:54.57 | Chestal | allerdings gibt es einen neuen C-Standard jetzt, den musst du aber erst extra aktivi3eren |
| 07:55.04 | Chestal | der wird bisher kaum verwendet |
| 07:55.23 | Pinguin | die letzten Feler sind: resources.cxx: blabla::names is private ... |
| 07:55.38 | Chestal | meiner kompiliert noch |
| 07:55.47 | Pinguin | PIII 750 :-) |
| 07:56.04 | Chestal | wahrscheinlich ist es z.Z. besser, wenn du erstmal noch mit dem alten Compiler kompilierst wenn möglich |
| 07:56.10 | Pinguin | ok ... |
| 07:56.12 | Chestal | eine der nächsten Versionen von bzflag sollte dann angepasst sein |
| 07:58.15 | Chestal | hmm, bei mir kompiliert es aber ohen Änderungen durch? |
| 07:58.34 | Chestal | welche Version hast du kompiliert? |
| 07:58.44 | Pinguin | hm ... augenblick ... |
| 07:59.30 | Pinguin | ahem ... wo steht das ? |
| 08:00.34 | Pinguin | aha ...Changelog ... 1.7e5 |
| 08:03.41 | Terminator | chestal u still here? |
| 08:03.48 | Terminator | ibot seen chestal |
| 08:03.48 | | chestal is currently on #bzflag. Has said a total of 125 messages. Is idling for 5m 14s |
| 08:04.06 | Terminator | ndamn that canvo was 5minsago |
| 08:04.17 | Terminator | i need to talk to chestal |
| 08:04.30 | Pinguin | i do not think he is away ... |
| 08:04.47 | Terminator | chestal can u say sumthing if ur here |
| 08:04.51 | Terminator | plz plz plz |
| 08:07.05 | Terminator | u give up |
| 08:07.11 | Pinguin | wait ... |
| 08:07.25 | Terminator | i meant i give up |
| 08:07.26 | Pinguin | he is probably just on another terminal ... playing with compilers |
| 08:07.40 | bzdouggg | /msg him |
| 08:07.49 | Terminator | huh |
| 08:08.28 | bzdouggg | *** Chestal is away: Probably here! try beeping. |
| 08:08.39 | Pinguin | how to beep? |
| 08:08.45 | bzdouggg | /msg chestal to beep |
| 08:08.48 | bzdouggg | I think |
| 08:09.09 | Terminator | it said |
| 08:09.10 | Terminator | *** Syntax: PRIVMSG [destination] [msg] |
| 08:09.18 | Terminator | in red writing |
| 08:09.33 | Terminator | when i typed /msg |
| 08:09.41 | bzdouggg | /msg Chestal you there? |
| 08:09.43 | bzdouggg | type that |
| 08:09.43 | Pinguin | type /msg Chestal hallo |
| 08:09.47 | bzdouggg | the whole thing |
| 08:09.54 | Terminator | k |
| 08:10.32 | Terminator | it just said *** Chestal is away: Probably here! try beeping. again |
| 08:10.56 | Pinguin | then beeping is probably something else ... |
| 08:12.24 | Terminator | i going to switzerland next year |
| 08:12.29 | Terminator | with my school |
| 08:12.33 | Terminator | for a week |
| 08:12.36 | Terminator | :-) |
| 08:12.37 | bzdouggg | cool |
| 08:12.52 | Terminator | yup |
| 08:13.07 | Terminator | we staying in the mountains |
| 08:13.17 | bzdouggg | enat |
| 08:13.19 | bzdouggg | neat |
| 08:13.21 | bzdouggg | get a watch |
| 08:13.26 | Terminator | we gonna go biking and do all other sorts of extreme sports |
| 08:13.30 | Terminator | lol |
| 08:13.35 | Terminator | i will get a watch |
| 08:42.23 | Terminator | ibot ducati |
| 08:42.23 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 08:42.25 | bzbot | huh (G): 6 (41-35). baptiste (R): -21 (30-51). er0k (R): -42 (18-60). lolita (G): 32 (74-42). Vince (R): -33 (17-50). [dmp] (R): 2 (23-21). Chestal (G): 15 (24-9). |
| 08:56.57 | Terminator | byw all |
| 10:02.19 | Chestal | hmm, SILENCE is not documented |
| 10:04.51 | ak|ra | its quiete silent right? |
| 10:05.10 | Chestal | but it's still not documented :-) |
| 10:05.27 | ak|ra | :) you just cant hear the documentation |
| 10:05.42 | ak|ra | even if you listen very very very careful |
| 10:07.42 | Pinguin | Chestal: Terminator wanted to speak to you (he was desperate ...) |
| 10:08.06 | Chestal | I know |
| 10:09.40 | doughecka | Sound of Silence |
| 10:20.25 | xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx | does anyone have bzflag edit? |
| 10:21.13 | xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx | yes\no??? |
| 10:21.35 | doughecka | yes |
| 10:21.38 | doughecka | :) |
| 10:21.44 | doughecka | ~bzedit |
| 10:21.44 | | rumour has it, bzedit is http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/code/tarballs/bzedit-2.1.tar.gz |
| 10:21.48 | doughecka | hmm |
| 10:21.50 | doughecka | wrong one |
| 10:22.22 | doughecka | http://www.artemisgames.com/code/bz/edit/ |
| 10:22.29 | doughecka | ~bzedit is also http://www.artemisgames.com/code/bz/edit/ |
| 10:22.29 | | okay, doughecka |
| 10:22.47 | xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx | do u have any documents or tutorials on it? |
| 10:23.14 | doughecka | nope |
| 10:24.23 | xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx | when are they comming out with the tutorials? |
| 10:24.39 | doughecka | never |
| 10:24.45 | doughecka | there is no tutorials |
| 10:25.02 | doughecka | but there is a tip place |
| 10:25.07 | doughecka | stats.bzflag.org |
| 10:25.14 | doughecka | click on creating worls |
| 10:25.17 | doughecka | worlds* |
| 10:25.24 | doughecka | has a few tips |
| 10:30.25 | doughecka | 'lo Patlabor221 |
| 10:30.55 | Patlabor221 | hello |
| 10:36.01 | Cell | puh its so damn demanding |
| 10:36.30 | Patlabor221 | puh? |
| 10:36.44 | captain_proton | well i'm off for a day of fun-filled excitement |
| 10:36.53 | Patlabor221 | studying? |
| 10:36.58 | captain_proton | with my synchro unifying sinometric integrating equitensor |
| 10:37.06 | Cell | i mean i took me the whole day to write a good selection(picking) for 3d scene objects |
| 10:37.39 | Patlabor221 | I'm just cleaning up the house before the girl comes over |
| 10:38.10 | captain_proton | i'll probably be back in 11 hours or so |
| 10:38.13 | captain_proton | be seeing you |
| 10:38.14 | Cell | as i said u are lucky |
| 10:39.03 | Patlabor221 | see ya cap |
| 10:40.37 | Cell | how do i draw a fuking XOR selection rectangle with opengl :0 |
| 10:40.55 | doughecka | ooh, gushing water in 3dsmax |
| 10:40.59 | doughecka | slick |
| 10:41.18 | Cell | cool |
| 10:41.24 | doughecka | render time 4 min |
| 10:41.24 | doughecka | :) |
| 10:41.33 | Cell | wow, pretty fast |
| 10:41.42 | doughecka | a yup |
| 10:41.52 | hoda | whats rendering water? |
| 10:42.00 | doughecka | 3dsmax |
| 10:42.01 | hoda | in 3ds max? |
| 10:42.04 | doughecka | yea |
| 10:42.05 | Cell | u saw my tank pic yesterday? |
| 10:42.10 | Patlabor221 | cell just I don't think they have an xor |
| 10:42.18 | hoda | using what plugin? |
| 10:42.22 | doughecka | no plugin |
| 10:42.29 | doughecka | check out the tutorials |
| 10:42.37 | hoda | which ones |
| 10:42.39 | doughecka | under partical effects |
| 10:42.40 | hoda | ... |
| 10:42.44 | hoda | ohhh |
| 10:43.00 | Cell | Patlabor221:gl has some fragment to frame buff ops(xor, or) and that stuff i think |
| 10:43.01 | doughecka | looks pretty cool |
| 10:43.05 | hoda | i thought you had a plugin or did it with a mesh |
| 10:43.15 | hoda | lemme see your tank cell |
| 10:43.16 | doughecka | nope |
| 10:43.33 | Patlabor221 | cell, yes but I think it's only in glsetpixels |
| 10:43.37 | Cell | k |
| 10:43.38 | Patlabor221 | and that is slow |
| 10:43.50 | Patlabor221 | sorry I'm tyoeing from the floor |
| 10:44.00 | doughecka | typeing from the floor... |
| 10:44.06 | doughecka | wheres the chair? |
| 10:44.10 | hoda | hey cell where do i see your tank? |
| 10:44.11 | Patlabor221 | behind me |
| 10:44.15 | Patlabor221 | installing a drive |
| 10:44.15 | doughecka | I see |
| 10:44.19 | doughecka | ah |
| 10:44.30 | Cell | http://217.229.7.132/tank2.jpg |
| 10:44.48 | doughecka | pretty |
| 10:44.52 | hoda | is that a model |
| 10:44.52 | doughecka | you drew that? |
| 10:45.02 | Cell | doughecka:quess how i did that? |
| 10:45.08 | doughecka | 3dsmax? |
| 10:45.14 | Cell | yep |
| 10:45.16 | hoda | the treads look cool |
| 10:45.17 | Patlabor221 | cel shaser |
| 10:45.21 | doughecka | slick |
| 10:45.22 | hoda | ofcourse |
| 10:45.23 | Patlabor221 | from a publilc model |
| 10:45.28 | Cell | ink paint material |
| 10:45.33 | doughecka | ooh |
| 10:45.38 | Cell | yep |
| 10:45.46 | Cell | from a public mod |
| 10:45.52 | doughecka | ah |
| 10:46.52 | doughecka | does rendering at a diferent res mess it up? |
| 10:46.57 | hoda | yeah i havnt used cell shading yet |
| 10:47.06 | doughecka | like if I rendered at 300x1000, would it strech? |
| 10:47.19 | Cell | yes |
| 10:47.31 | doughecka | oh |
| 10:47.32 | doughecka | darn |
| 10:47.52 | Cell | err; it would not strech |
| 10:47.58 | doughecka | ooh |
| 10:47.59 | hoda | i havnt done much with materials either |
| 10:48.00 | doughecka | good |
| 10:48.02 | doughecka | slick |
| 10:48.08 | doughecka | oh pretty |
| 10:48.11 | doughecka | gushing water |
| 10:48.16 | hoda | wtf |
| 10:48.22 | doughecka | bounces off the road too |
| 10:48.22 | Cell | hoda: then do the tutorials |
| 10:48.27 | doughecka | and gravity |
| 10:48.50 | doughecka | hoda: its in /tutorials/partical effects or something |
| 10:48.59 | Cell | hoda: u have 3d max? |
| 10:49.02 | doughecka | its got the compleated one in there |
| 10:49.41 | doughecka | next tutorial? Creating an Explosion with Fragments and Bubbles |
| 10:49.49 | hoda | i dont have any tutorial folder |
| 10:49.51 | doughecka | This animation shows a depth charge sinking towards a submarine, then exploding. |
| 10:49.58 | doughecka | hoda: you dint install it then |
| 10:50.01 | doughecka | its on the cd |
| 10:50.07 | hoda | lol... |
| 10:50.17 | hoda | im not looking to render with 3ds man |
| 10:50.23 | hoda | although it is fun |
| 10:50.26 | Cell | hoda:what max version do u have? |
| 10:50.26 | doughecka | This file is on the Learning and Training CD, in the \tutorials\particle_effects directory. |
| 10:50.36 | hoda | 4.0 i think |
| 10:50.39 | doughecka | have fun |
| 10:50.49 | Cell | oh 4.0 is cool |
| 10:50.58 | hoda | yes |
| 10:51.08 | hoda | but im not using it to render really |
| 10:51.28 | hoda | during model dev i use it and to show off but i use it to make game models |
| 10:51.39 | Cell | oh, thats great |
| 10:51.41 | hoda | so its overkill |
| 10:51.46 | hoda | in the end |
| 10:51.53 | hoda | for my purposes |
| 10:52.17 | hoda | we will eventually do some serious rendering with 3ds max |
| 10:52.25 | hoda | for a lil movie |
| 10:52.40 | doughecka | hah |
| 10:52.50 | hoda | with a meteorite |
| 10:52.57 | hoda | and planets exploding |
| 10:52.59 | doughecka | ooh, network rendering |
| 10:53.02 | hoda | yay |
| 10:53.35 | Cell | here is my little editor still not finished: http://217.229.7.132/trisel.jpg |
| 10:53.40 | hoda | 32 486/dx4 100's |
| 10:53.44 | Cell | old pic(2 weeks) |
| 10:53.53 | hoda | wants login |
| 10:54.02 | Cell | oh shit |
| 10:54.07 | doughecka | yup |
| 10:54.17 | doughecka | hoda: ? |
| 10:54.22 | doughecka | you have 32 486s? |
| 10:54.31 | doughecka | ~32*100 |
| 10:54.31 | | 3200 |
| 10:54.35 | doughecka | woah |
| 10:54.42 | doughecka | thats alot of mhz |
| 10:54.43 | hoda | itd be cool to have that as a cluster on a rendering farm |
| 10:54.48 | doughecka | ooh |
| 10:54.49 | doughecka | true.. |
| 10:55.05 | hoda | growing fat graphics 24/7 |
| 10:55.14 | doughecka | 3 that I can use for rendering here... |
| 10:55.15 | doughecka | hm |
| 10:55.27 | hoda | i loved the old 86 dx cpu's |
| 10:55.38 | doughecka | heh |
| 10:56.00 | hoda | until faulty pentiums arrived |
| 10:56.30 | doughecka | athlon xps... |
| 10:56.46 | doughecka | I could add a another 300 mhz celly to the mix. |
| 10:56.52 | doughecka | but thats too much trouble |
| 10:56.58 | hoda | yup |
| 10:56.59 | Cell | now it works: http://217.229.7.132/trisel.jpg |
| 10:57.06 | hoda | youd need like 5 to make it worth it |
| 10:57.12 | doughecka | nah |
| 10:57.22 | doughecka | cool |
| 10:57.31 | hoda | thats ok |
| 10:57.39 | doughecka | I have a 800 mhz duron, a 1700 athlon xp, and a 400 mhz celly laptop |
| 10:57.43 | hoda | its a mesh editor? |
| 10:57.47 | Cell | yep |
| 10:57.58 | hoda | you know whats best for mesh editors? |
| 10:58.11 | xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx | cell wha t is that site for? |
| 10:58.14 | Cell | oh 3d studio is pretty cool |
| 10:58.18 | hoda | TONS mouse and keyboard functions |
| 10:58.21 | hoda | *of |
| 10:58.26 | Cell | xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx: what site? |
| 10:58.41 | hoda | like 3ds is great for using a 3 button mouse |
| 10:58.44 | xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx | http://217.229.7.132/trisel.jpg |
| 10:58.59 | Cell | its my ip |
| 10:59.00 | hoda | some editors dont use mice well and they become a pain |
| 10:59.27 | Patlabor221 | xxxxx I cant get that map, can you ether rename it to txt or zip it? I think your mail server filterd it cus it thought it was virus. |
| 10:59.29 | Cell | yes, but u can use keyboard shortcuts |
| 10:59.30 | hoda | if i can edit a vertice and viewport with only a mouse thats good |
| 10:59.49 | xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx | do u have any toturails for bzedit cell??? |
| 11:00.05 | Patlabor221 | thre are none |
| 11:00.11 | Patlabor221 | tho it's not that hard to use |
| 11:00.15 | Cell | Patlabor221 made it so ask him |
| 11:00.28 | hoda | lol |
| 11:00.32 | Patlabor221 | you add stuff and move them around |
| 11:00.44 | hoda | its the most obscure application ever written |
| 11:00.44 | xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx | Patlabor221 do u get the email i sent u? |
| 11:00.45 | Patlabor221 | teleporters are the only tricky things |
| 11:00.50 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 11:00.56 | Patlabor221 | did you see the messages I typed to you? |
| 11:01.12 | xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx | brb |
| 11:01.16 | Patlabor221 | hoda, you must not have seen many apps, there are many that are worse. |
| 11:01.25 | hoda | i was being sarcastic |
| 11:01.30 | hoda | :/ |
| 11:01.49 | hoda | OBVIOUSLY BZEDIT IS INTUITIVE |
| 11:01.52 | hoda | sorry |
| 11:01.59 | Patlabor221 | no it's not intuitive |
| 11:02.08 | hoda | if you played the game it isnt? |
| 11:02.10 | Patlabor221 | it's about average |
| 11:02.18 | Cell | its cool |
| 11:02.24 | Patlabor221 | if you've seen the map format you it is |
| 11:02.30 | hoda | i would think if youve played the game youd understand the editor |
| 11:02.48 | Patlabor221 | all quake-heads think that |
| 11:02.56 | hoda | im not a quake head |
| 11:02.57 | Cell | haha |
| 11:03.12 | hoda | even if it was a text file i bet i could understand it |
| 11:03.29 | Patlabor221 | ummm it is a text file. |
| 11:03.45 | hoda | should be plain as day then |
| 11:04.16 | hoda | im not too interested in bzflag in its current form |
| 11:04.17 | Patlabor221 | you would think wouldn't you |
| 11:04.36 | hoda | it sounds like its gonna be more contemporary soon |
| 11:05.00 | Patlabor221 | define "contemporary"? |
| 11:05.11 | hoda | ... quakish |
| 11:05.16 | doughecka | how so? |
| 11:05.19 | Patlabor221 | not even man |
| 11:05.31 | hoda | models/maps/3d rendering |
| 11:05.36 | hoda | not in any way |
| 11:05.41 | hoda | but too a user |
| 11:05.42 | doughecka | all games have those |
| 11:05.50 | Patlabor221 | the maps are 3d now |
| 11:05.57 | Patlabor221 | so is the rendering |
| 11:06.10 | hoda | i meant more advanced maps and 3d rendering |
| 11:06.26 | hoda | i loath typing over the irc networks |
| 11:06.57 | hoda | i mean the tex's are basic rite now and the models and maps are basicly primitives |
| 11:06.59 | Cell | i eman u should take a look at bzflag source, its a huge app |
| 11:07.08 | Cell | already |
| 11:07.10 | Patlabor221 | as pposed to typeing in general? |
| 11:07.14 | hoda | i have never looked at source |
| 11:07.23 | hoda | i like e-mails |
| 11:07.32 | hoda | get lots of time to type |
| 11:07.34 | Patlabor221 | hoda, the models and maps are still going to be object based |
| 11:07.39 | hoda | uhh |
| 11:07.41 | hoda | yay? |
| 11:07.47 | Patlabor221 | you will place "things" in the world |
| 11:07.56 | hoda | thats cool |
| 11:08.02 | Patlabor221 | it will not be like quake where you have brishes, and CSG |
| 11:08.08 | hoda | i like the arcade style |
| 11:08.09 | doughecka | icky |
| 11:08.22 | hoda | its like an old skool arcade game |
| 11:08.37 | hoda | running on supercomputers |
| 11:09.07 | Cell | yeah i like that too |
| 11:09.56 | CLQ | Someone had a good sugestion the other day: A feutere that allows a server to run without radar. More realistic "war" |
| 11:10.18 | hoda | radar=goodness |
| 11:10.37 | doughecka | oh line of sight radar |
| 11:10.40 | doughecka | or* |
| 11:10.54 | hoda | radar is los basicly |
| 11:11.06 | CLQ | No radar. We have to locate eachothers |
| 11:11.06 | doughecka | not in bzflag |
| 11:11.15 | hoda | i would think the map objects would deflect radar |
| 11:11.15 | CLQ | a feature |
| 11:11.43 | CLQ | That servers could turn on or off |
| 11:11.46 | Patlabor221 | that would be interesting |
| 11:11.57 | Patlabor221 | once the clean up is complete it would be easyer to implement |
| 11:12.02 | Patlabor221 | but enforcing it would be hard |
| 11:12.06 | hoda | personnaly i think everything should be server side modifiable |
| 11:12.17 | CLQ | it is |
| 11:12.19 | Patlabor221 | since the client knows about all the objects |
| 11:12.21 | CLQ | isent it |
| 11:12.21 | hoda | thatd stress the servers though |
| 11:12.30 | Patlabor221 | a user could hack the client and get it all |
| 11:12.31 | hoda | well lol |
| 11:12.50 | Patlabor221 | hota, full server side is slow as crap, aka, quake. |
| 11:13.01 | hoda | i was reading the bzflag netcode doc's |
| 11:13.10 | hoda | the other day |
| 11:13.33 | sussudio | the use of 's is meant to replace 'his'. so basically you are saying doc his. |
| 11:13.41 | sussudio | it's docs. |
| 11:13.53 | CLQ | ibot jazun |
| 11:13.53 | | bugger all, i dunno, CLQ |
| 11:14.03 | hoda | heheh |
| 11:14.04 | CLQ | Was it wrong? |
| 11:14.14 | CLQ | ibot CLQ |
| 11:14.14 | | from memory, clq is has a nice face |
| 11:14.49 | CLQ | Was it not jazun? |
| 11:14.55 | sussudio | no |
| 11:14.58 | sussudio | ibot jzaun |
| 11:14.58 | | bzfquerylong jzaun.com 5155 |
| 11:15.00 | bzbot | GarpWader [RLF] (B): -2 (2-4). Ph5.5 [HHH] (G): 1 (2-1). [Arse]@Air_Bus (r): 2 (3-1). Kook (r): -3 (0-3). |
| 11:15.06 | CLQ | thanks |
| 11:15.10 | sussudio | ibot jzaun2 |
| 11:15.10 | | bzfquerylong jzaun.com 5255 |
| 11:15.12 | bzbot | Server is empty |
| 11:18.17 | Patlabor221 | jzaun realy needs to fix his map downloads |
| 11:18.29 | doughecka | why? |
| 11:18.41 | doughecka | just save them the .php files as .map files |
| 11:19.04 | Patlabor221 | yes that's what he has to fix |
| 11:19.11 | Patlabor221 | that's a bit beyond some people |
| 11:19.18 | Patlabor221 | also you don't get the map name |
| 11:19.32 | doughecka | hm |
| 11:25.43 | xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx | k |
| 11:25.51 | doughecka | kewl |
| 11:26.00 | doughecka | dual computers rendering |
| 11:26.25 | Patlabor221 | how do you ever live with your own awesomeness? |
| 11:27.40 | doughecka | dunno |
| 11:28.05 | doughecka | 40 min remaining on a 640x480 video |
| 11:29.22 | hoda | speed things up here |
| 11:29.27 | doughecka | heh |
| 11:29.58 | Patlabor221 | the noob? you turn yourself up? |
| 11:30.08 | hoda | hey doug you should help with making our pre-game movie |
| 11:30.26 | hoda | we need some smokieness |
| 11:30.33 | hoda | rendered |
| 11:30.35 | doughecka | oh? |
| 11:30.44 | doughecka | smokieness... |
| 11:31.04 | hoda | theres a dying star and a planet collides and a chunk flies to mars and crashes (VERY basic desc) |
| 11:31.13 | doughecka | yea? |
| 11:31.17 | doughecka | and you need smoke. |
| 11:31.29 | hoda | so i think well need some particle effects (know nothing about) |
| 11:31.42 | hoda | but thats a long time off |
| 11:31.47 | doughecka | hm |
| 11:31.52 | hoda | ill get the extended story |
| 11:31.55 | doughecka | ah |
| 11:31.55 | hoda | brb |
| 11:31.56 | doughecka | well |
| 11:32.07 | doughecka | make the whole thing, and I might be able to add some smoke.. |
| 11:32.22 | doughecka | smoke goes in last |
| 11:32.44 | doughecka | since it has to react to everything |
| 11:33.09 | hoda | In the year 2564 there was a small cold brown planet in orbit around a dying star hundreds of light years from earth. On this planet one hundred thousand years ago their once lived a civilization which thrived. This civilization had reached its pinnacle long before mankind had even left the safety of the trees. As the sun began to slowly collapse in onto it self the gravity field of the solar system fluctuated and several planetary collisions |
| 11:33.42 | doughecka | cool |
| 11:33.44 | Patlabor221 | ohh please don't do that here |
| 11:33.48 | hoda | i was thinking i could use tennis balls for the stars |
| 11:33.50 | Patlabor221 | do it in a /msg |
| 11:33.58 | doughecka | tennis balls? |
| 11:34.01 | doughecka | ? |
| 11:34.08 | hoda | and a pie crist for the meteroite |
| 11:34.14 | hoda | sum fishing line |
| 11:34.17 | doughecka | um |
| 11:34.19 | hoda | and a super 8 |
| 11:34.25 | doughecka | ah |
| 11:34.29 | hoda | itll be fabulous |
| 11:34.33 | doughecka | I am sure... |
| 11:34.41 | hoda | i am joking :P |
| 11:35.17 | doughecka | hm, sounds cool.. |
| 11:35.20 | hoda | terminal in my padded cell |
| 11:35.26 | doughecka | but where is smoke? |
| 11:35.33 | doughecka | there is not much smoke in space |
| 11:35.43 | hoda | well the shot where the meteorite is flying towards our solar system |
| 11:35.47 | doughecka | maybe dust |
| 11:35.52 | doughecka | yea.... |
| 11:35.59 | hoda | there gotta be a cloud around it ad a trail behind it |
| 11:36.02 | doughecka | comit? |
| 11:36.05 | hoda | dust not smoke |
| 11:36.08 | doughecka | k |
| 11:36.21 | doughecka | comet then? it has a trail |
| 11:36.22 | hoda | its a chunk of a planet sent towards us by a supernova |
| 11:36.27 | doughecka | and a cload round it |
| 11:36.37 | hoda | dunno how fast something like that would go |
| 11:36.45 | doughecka | fast |
| 11:36.47 | hoda | it wouldnt be like a comet |
| 11:36.50 | hoda | tho |
| 11:36.52 | doughecka | very fast around the sun |
| 11:36.55 | doughecka | yea |
| 11:36.58 | hoda | comits orbit a sun dont they? |
| 11:37.06 | doughecka | yea.. |
| 11:37.07 | doughecka | some do |
| 11:37.14 | doughecka | but they go WAY out |
| 11:37.23 | hoda | yeah i guess things dont slow down in space |
| 11:37.31 | doughecka | nope... |
| 11:37.33 | doughecka | hm |
| 11:37.38 | hoda | without a sun or large body |
| 11:37.40 | Patlabor221 | are there any more flags in the game that I didn't get on this dialog? http://www.artemisgames.com/code/bz/shell/Flags.png |
| 11:38.21 | Chestal | typo on ivisible bullet |
| 11:38.25 | sussudio | things do slow down or speed up |
| 11:38.35 | sussudio | there's space dust |
| 11:38.39 | sussudio | the galaxy itself |
| 11:39.19 | sussudio | distant stars |
| 11:39.19 | hoda | not without a action by a larger body or impact |
| 11:39.19 | doughecka | you coudl have a space craft with smoke |
| 11:39.19 | doughecka | Patlabor221: looks like all of them |
| 11:39.19 | sussudio | yes they do |
| 11:39.19 | hoda | its only 2564 |
| 11:39.19 | doughecka | only? |
| 11:39.20 | hoda | we get all our tech from the meteorite |
| 11:39.21 | Chestal | Pat: but you have them all, that is flags whcih are in 1.7 currently |
| 11:39.28 | hoda | yeah theres a colony on mars |
| 11:39.29 | doughecka | you could get a better yea |
| 11:39.33 | doughecka | year |
| 11:39.37 | hoda | its not like we left our solar system |
| 11:39.38 | doughecka | like 2987 |
| 11:39.48 | doughecka | 2564 sounds to fake |
| 11:40.03 | doughecka | :) |
| 11:40.04 | doughecka | erg |
| 11:40.06 | doughecka | have to go |
| 11:40.08 | hoda | well the whole point is we get our tech from aliens and stop evolving and start interstellar warring |
| 11:41.32 | Patlabor221 | are there any more server options in the game that I didn't get on this dialog? http://www.artemisgames.com/code/bz/shell/Base.png |
| 11:44.24 | Chestal | Pat: the -a accelerator settings? |
| 11:44.29 | Chestal | not that they're used very much |
| 11:44.57 | Patlabor221 | ok |
| 11:45.00 | Chestal | -admsg <text> |
| 11:45.20 | Patlabor221 | I made the origonal like about 5 years ago before there was worlds and stuff |
| 11:45.26 | Patlabor221 | actualy before it was open source |
| 11:45.47 | Patlabor221 | figred I should just update it then I have to do less "how do I start a server" tech support |
| 11:45.55 | Chestal | -ban <iplist> |
| 11:46.13 | Chestal | well, best you check all the options bzfs -help spews out yourself :-) |
| 11:46.39 | Chestal | there are a couple optins which are rarely used |
| 11:47.10 | Patlabor221 | it's missing a number of them |
| 11:47.17 | Patlabor221 | like world in there |
| 11:47.52 | Chestal | world? |
| 11:48.28 | Patlabor221 | -world |
| 11:48.33 | Patlabor221 | I didn't see it in --help |
| 11:48.48 | Chestal | just -help, it's there |
| 11:48.54 | Chestal | at the end, just befoer the flags |
| 11:49.06 | Patlabor221 | ohh look at that |
| 11:49.10 | Patlabor221 | I was using the wrong one |
| 11:49.19 | Patlabor221 | odd that there are 2 helps |
| 11:49.32 | Chestal | there's a short help and a long help |
| 11:49.42 | Chestal | the short help pops up when you specify an unknown option |
| 11:49.52 | Patlabor221 | I need to do the max idle stuff too |
| 11:50.30 | Chestal | could get a little crowded with everything on one page |
| 11:50.36 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 11:51.01 | Patlabor221 | but I don't want to redo the dialog in this app, it's all win32 old school stuff |
| 11:51.44 | Patlabor221 | what does multiple +f of the same type do? |
| 11:51.47 | Patlabor221 | anything? |
| 11:51.53 | Cell | hey, i was puuting lots of objects(low poly count) into my editor and it got damn slow when i selected all of them and transformed them interactivly, and i could not say the hell why |
| 11:52.16 | Patlabor221 | prolby your edit list walking |
| 11:52.28 | Patlabor221 | you using strings for any of the stuff? |
| 11:52.31 | Cell | no the debug output was so big |
| 11:52.38 | Cell | it slowed donwn it :) |
| 11:52.44 | Cell | dramatically |
| 11:52.54 | Patlabor221 | loging can do that |
| 11:53.07 | Cell | oh yes |
| 11:53.26 | Patlabor221 | bahhh BZShell isn't even async |
| 11:53.34 | Patlabor221 | it needs to be redone. |
| 11:53.41 | Cell | but first i thought i done some wrong recursion(tree walk) |
| 11:55.43 | Cell | i heard the barn again shell is the most user friendly one |
| 11:56.20 | ak|ra | abend |
| 11:56.42 | Cell | hi |
| 12:08.35 | doughecka | bzshell? |
| 12:08.43 | Patlabor221 | shell |
| 12:08.51 | Patlabor221 | it's a bad name |
| 12:08.55 | doughecka | indeed |
| 12:09.11 | Patlabor221 | but at the time I didn't have a better name for it. |
| 12:09.11 | doughecka | its a proggy to start a server with? |
| 12:09.14 | doughecka | heh |
| 12:09.14 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 12:09.19 | doughecka | cool |
| 12:09.21 | doughecka | all the options? |
| 12:09.27 | Patlabor221 | but it's too old to updat |
| 12:09.33 | doughecka | oh |
| 12:09.51 | doughecka | 20 min left in render time... hehe |
| 12:10.06 | doughecka | 38 seconds per frame |
| 12:10.10 | doughecka | hm |
| 12:11.11 | Patlabor221 | at what rez? |
| 12:11.22 | doughecka | 640x480 |
| 12:11.24 | doughecka | :) |
| 12:11.32 | Patlabor221 | 20 sec? |
| 12:11.41 | doughecka | hmm |
| 12:11.43 | Patlabor221 | how complex is the scene? |
| 12:11.44 | doughecka | yea |
| 12:11.54 | doughecka | it has gushing water flowing |
| 12:11.59 | doughecka | complex.... sorta |
| 12:12.28 | Patlabor221 | well all the particle stuff should have been allready figured out before render |
| 12:12.44 | doughecka | yea |
| 12:12.55 | doughecka | but it adds motion blere and stuff |
| 12:13.04 | doughecka | bler |
| 12:13.06 | doughecka | whatever |
| 12:13.11 | doughecka | ~spell bler |
| 12:13.12 | | possible spellings for bler: abler baler bluer blear Aler beer bier Boer blur bled blew |
| 12:13.18 | Patlabor221 | well that is just raster stuff |
| 12:13.33 | doughecka | yea, but it still takes abit |
| 12:13.39 | doughecka | +lighting and stuff |
| 12:13.53 | doughecka | and shadows for each water droplet |
| 12:14.19 | doughecka | hmm, only one computer is working on it |
| 12:14.23 | doughecka | odd. |
| 12:15.17 | Cell | can someone tell me how i create a xor gdi pen? |
| 12:15.31 | Patlabor221 | there is a blend mode for that |
| 12:15.43 | Patlabor221 | your not gonna do GDI on the GL context are you? |
| 12:15.52 | Cell | i am |
| 12:16.01 | Cell | and it works |
| 12:16.02 | Patlabor221 | that won't work on all cards |
| 12:16.06 | Patlabor221 | it will on NVidias |
| 12:16.10 | Patlabor221 | but not on others |
| 12:16.11 | Cell | oh shit |
| 12:16.18 | Cell | nvidia rules |
| 12:16.48 | Cell | i assume 90% have nvidia |
| 12:17.00 | Patlabor221 | well don't |
| 12:17.04 | doughecka | heh |
| 12:17.07 | Patlabor221 | it also depends on the OS |
| 12:17.18 | Patlabor221 | it has issues in the 9x's |
| 12:17.38 | Cell | k |
| 12:18.15 | Cell | however i have to figure out how to create a xor pen with dotted line style |
| 12:18.22 | doughecka | grr, the only computer doing the renderings was the other computer |
| 12:18.35 | Cell | man i new that on win32 |
| 12:19.18 | Cell | doughecka:u use network rendering? |
| 12:19.26 | Patlabor221 | cell you can do XOR with the glBlendFunc() stuff I think |
| 12:19.39 | Patlabor221 | check www.opengl.org |
| 12:19.46 | doughecka | yea |
| 12:20.10 | Cell | draw to screen with gl: set all matrices to ident |
| 12:20.12 | Cell | ? |
| 12:20.22 | Patlabor221 | just go to ortho mode |
| 12:20.32 | Patlabor221 | and set up for screen pixels |
| 12:20.34 | Patlabor221 | it's easy |
| 12:20.36 | Cell | k |
| 12:20.41 | Patlabor221 | LGE and pocket engine do it |
| 12:20.59 | Cell | the 2d engine |
| 12:21.01 | Patlabor221 | hell BZEdit can techincaly do it, but I never turn it on |
| 12:21.06 | Patlabor221 | you go to ortho |
| 12:21.09 | Patlabor221 | it's still 3d |
| 12:21.11 | Patlabor221 | just flat 3d |
| 12:21.16 | Cell | i know |
| 12:21.51 | Patlabor221 | I think it's glOrtho(screenX,ScreenY,nearX,farZ) |
| 12:21.59 | ak|ra | hey patty |
| 12:22.08 | Patlabor221 | hello ak|ra |
| 12:22.21 | doughecka | aha, fixed it |
| 12:22.46 | Patlabor221 | doug your techincal powers must be amazing! |
| 12:22.53 | doughecka | erg |
| 12:23.02 | doughecka | now it restarted the whole render |
| 12:23.39 | Patlabor221 | well you told it to |
| 12:26.48 | Cell | doughecka:how big is ur render far :) ? |
| 12:27.17 | doughecka | 2 puters |
| 12:52.28 | Cell | i cant believe it but the fukin GDI+ has no XOR mode! |
| 13:06.26 | [TeA] | Lalalal |
| 13:06.29 | [TeA] | ibot ducati |
| 13:06.29 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 13:06.30 | bzbot | Chestal (R): 1 (1-0). Terminator (R): 0 (0-0). jpablo (G): 7 (11-4). cys (R): -59 (16-75). X (G): -1 (0-1). |
| 13:11.44 | [TeA] | ibot ducati |
| 13:11.44 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 13:11.45 | bzbot | Chestal (R): 9 (19-10). MAXIM (R): -3 (0-3). jpablo (G): 7 (17-10). pilounek (R): 0 (0-0). Riseman (G): 9 (15-6). |
| 13:19.21 | [TeA] | ibot ducati |
| 13:19.21 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 13:19.23 | bzbot | Chestal (R): 4 (31-27). Space Biker (R): 0 (0-0). jpablo (G): 18 (37-19). BigRed (R): -7 (9-16). pilounek (R): -4 (3-7). Riseman (G): 21 (37-16). lena (G): 4 (11-7). strayer (G): 2 (5-3). |
| 13:25.04 | [TeA] | ibot ducati |
| 13:25.04 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 13:25.06 | bzbot | Chestal (R): -1 (44-45). Space Biker (R): -4 (2-6). jpablo (G): 26 (50-24). SGI (R): -7 (11-18). Riseman (G): 22 (46-24). lena (G): 7 (27-20). strayer (G): 5 (17-12). |
| 13:39.10 | Cell | GL.glDisable(GL.GL_DEPTH_TEST); |
| 13:39.10 | Cell | GL.glDrawBuffer(GL.GL_FRONT); |
| 13:39.10 | Cell | GL.glPushMatrix(); |
| 13:39.10 | Cell | GL.glLoadIdentity(); |
| 13:39.10 | Cell | GL.glMatrixMode(GL.GL_PROJECTION); |
| 13:39.10 | Cell | GL.glPushMatrix(); |
| 13:39.12 | Cell | GL.glLoadIdentity(); |
| 13:39.14 | Cell | GL.glOrtho(0,0,this.view.Width, this.view.Height, 0, 1); |
| 13:39.17 | Cell | GL.glEnable(GL.GL_COLOR_LOGIC_OP); |
| 13:39.18 | Cell | GL.glLogicOp(GL.GL_XOR); |
| 13:39.21 | Cell | GL.glPolygonMode(GL.GL_FRONT, GL.GL_LINE); |
| 13:39.22 | Cell | |
| 13:39.24 | Cell | //draw rectangle |
| 13:39.26 | Cell | GL.glBegin(GL.GL_QUADS); |
| 13:39.28 | Cell | GL.glColor3f(1,1,1); |
| 13:39.30 | Cell | GL.glVertex3i(startPoint.X,startPoint.Y,0); |
| 13:39.32 | Cell | GL.glVertex3i(startPoint.X,endPoint.Y,0); |
| 13:39.34 | Cell | GL.glVertex3i(endPoint.X,endPoint.Y,0); |
| 13:39.36 | Cell | GL.glVertex3i(endPoint.X,startPoint.Y,0); |
| 13:39.38 | Cell | GL.glEnd(); |
| 13:39.40 | Cell | GL.glPolygonMode(GL.GL_FRONT, GL.GL_FILL); |
| 13:39.42 | Cell | GL.glDisable(GL.GL_COLOR_LOGIC_OP); |
| 13:39.44 | Cell | GL.glPopMatrix(); |
| 13:39.46 | Cell | GL.glMatrixMode(GL.GL_MODELVIEW); |
| 13:39.48 | Cell | GL.glPopMatrix(); |
| 13:39.50 | Cell | GL.glDrawBuffer(GL.GL_BACK); |
| 13:39.53 | Cell | GL.glEnable(GL.GL_DEPTH_TEST); |
| 13:39.54 | Cell | does not work |
| 13:40.22 | Cell | what a f****** pain for xor drawing a rectangle on the scrren :( |
| 13:40.23 | jp_uanl | sayonara |
| 13:56.10 | Cell | what are the glVertex2* functions used for? |
| 13:57.03 | Patlabor221 | when you only want to change x and y |
| 13:57.16 | Cell | ah, k |
| 13:57.26 | Cell | z defaults to 0 |
| 13:57.32 | Patlabor221 | adn not z and q |
| 14:04.45 | strayer | hi |
| 14:05.06 | doughecka | ih |
| 14:05.16 | Cell | i dont get it to work, i done so damn difficult things, and this cheap sucker gives me a shot |
| 14:05.39 | doughecka | pork? |
| 14:05.44 | sussudio | indeed |
| 14:05.45 | doughecka | or is it road kill? |
| 14:05.46 | Patlabor221 | mmmmmmmmm hog fat........ |
| 14:05.48 | sussudio | oink no more |
| 14:06.01 | doughecka | haha |
| 14:09.54 | Cell | i want chicken |
| 14:10.12 | sussudio | you cant have chicken |
| 14:10.16 | sussudio | today is piggy day |
| 14:10.16 | Patlabor221 | you don't eat meat |
| 14:10.27 | Cell | k then give that fat pig |
| 14:10.33 | sussudio | squeel |
| 14:10.47 | Cell | lol |
| 14:10.55 | doughecka | beef! |
| 14:10.58 | doughecka | its whats for dinner |
| 14:11.28 | Cell | yes eat this damn animals |
| 14:11.53 | Cell | they are born to be eaten |
| 14:12.24 | Patlabor221 | so are cows |
| 14:12.28 | Cell | lol |
| 14:13.15 | Patlabor221 | and fish are made to be eaten by whales |
| 14:13.18 | Patlabor221 | so why not us |
| 14:13.30 | Patlabor221 | and cat. |
| 14:13.57 | Cell | yes but nobody cooks it except us, why? |
| 14:14.38 | Patlabor221 | cus we are don't live in watter silly |
| 14:14.52 | Patlabor221 | and I prefer my fish raw. |
| 14:15.06 | doughecka | raw pork = GOoOoD!!! |
| 14:15.10 | Cell | what kind of fish is that |
| 14:15.16 | doughecka | dead |
| 14:15.17 | doughecka | mostly |
| 14:15.17 | Patlabor221 | all kinds |
| 14:15.22 | Patlabor221 | tuna |
| 14:15.25 | Patlabor221 | salmon |
| 14:15.30 | Patlabor221 | yellowtail |
| 14:15.38 | doughecka | dead fish |
| 14:15.54 | Cell | raw, pfui |
| 14:16.06 | Patlabor221 | raw = some good shit |
| 14:16.14 | Cell | ah |
| 14:16.23 | Patlabor221 | have you ever had sushi? |
| 14:16.27 | Cell | nop |
| 14:16.33 | Patlabor221 | it's realy good |
| 14:17.02 | Cell | but raw meat/fish stays so long in the stomach, that makes me sick |
| 14:17.23 | Patlabor221 | you must have a wierd matabolism |
| 14:17.48 | Dervish | hello everyone |
| 14:17.51 | Cell | maybe |
| 14:18.10 | strayer | Dervish: hi... |
| 14:18.11 | Patlabor221 | hello |
| 14:18.17 | Patlabor221 | are you whirling? |
| 14:18.56 | Dervish | whirling? |
| 14:19.06 | Patlabor221 | a whirling dervish |
| 14:19.16 | Dervish | um, no clue what you mean |
| 14:19.28 | Patlabor221 | ohh you don't know where your name comes from? |
| 14:19.43 | strayer | Chestal: U had enough? :) |
| 14:19.51 | Dervish | Dervish is a viking legend... the name has been used for many things |
| 14:20.06 | Patlabor221 | it's also a name for a group of mouslims |
| 14:20.27 | Patlabor221 | that atempt to find nervna by long pririods of spinning |
| 14:20.32 | Patlabor221 | untill they pass out. |
| 14:20.43 | Dervish | did not know that... vikings were much earlier :) but it's been used in games, media, and books |
| 14:20.58 | Dervish | pulling my leg? |
| 14:20.58 | Patlabor221 | I don't know who was first |
| 14:21.01 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 14:21.07 | Patlabor221 | saw it on the discovery channel |
| 14:21.09 | Patlabor221 | was odd |
| 14:21.19 | Patlabor221 | didn't know about the viking part |
| 14:21.28 | Patlabor221 | what were they in norse legend? |
| 14:21.36 | Dervish | vikings pre-date any modern Islamic or Mouslim traditions |
| 14:22.00 | Patlabor221 | on the show they siad that this was a thing taken from pre modern muslims |
| 14:22.08 | Dervish | not necessarily norse... before Norsemen, Viking god or legend, but I don't know the entire story |
| 14:22.11 | Patlabor221 | but I am not an expert on this |
| 14:22.54 | sussudio | doughecka comes from the ancient icelandic, meaning he who squeels like a piggy and likes mud |
| 14:22.55 | Dervish | ah, IC... but I really took my name after I an old Battletech mech' named Dervish |
| 14:23.02 | Patlabor221 | LOL |
| 14:23.05 | doughecka | hah |
| 14:23.11 | Dervish | lol |
| 14:23.18 | doughecka | sussudio: iceland dont have mud |
| 14:23.22 | doughecka | they have ice and rock |
| 14:23.27 | doughecka | and steam |
| 14:23.30 | Patlabor221 | there are dervish cutthroats in Everquest |
| 14:23.33 | sussudio | nope. |
| 14:23.41 | sussudio | they actually swapped the names of iceland and greenland |
| 14:23.48 | sussudio | to make people not want to go to iceland |
| 14:23.49 | Dervish | sussudio is a 70's designer for footwear and bell-bottoms ;) j/k |
| 14:23.56 | doughecka | riiight |
| 14:24.02 | doughecka | ~lart Dervish |
| 14:24.05 | sussudio | iceland has mud, geisers, volcanic rock........ |
| 14:24.19 | Patlabor221 | and greenland is NOT green |
| 14:24.21 | doughecka | no mud! |
| 14:24.22 | sussudio | nope |
| 14:24.31 | Dervish | lart? excuse me for not knowing the lingo... ?? |
| 14:24.32 | doughecka | greenland is white |
| 14:24.34 | sussudio | yes, there's a shitload of grass there........... |
| 14:24.50 | Patlabor221 | derv: makes the bot insult you |
| 14:24.56 | doughecka | ~insult Dervish |
| 14:25.00 | Dervish | ahhh! =) |
| 14:25.02 | doughecka | ~lart Dervish |
| 14:25.19 | Dervish | lol... cheasy |
| 14:25.23 | doughecka | hehe |
| 14:25.24 | doughecka | :P |
| 14:25.35 | Patlabor221 | that would be dougs modus operandi. |
| 14:25.40 | Dervish | ~lart doughecka |
| 14:25.42 | doughecka | a yup |
| 14:25.54 | Dervish | hehehe, we could have a flame ware with bots, lol |
| 14:26.18 | strayer | oh....cool...'Das Boot' (The boat) on TV.....night all... |
| 14:26.24 | sussudio | it's READIES |
| 14:26.28 | sussudio | how hard it that? |
| 14:26.28 | doughecka | cya |
| 14:26.32 | Dervish | people could start their custom flamewar bots, and then sit back and let their best flames spew, lol |
| 14:26.39 | doughecka | haha |
| 14:26.41 | doughecka | and get kicked |
| 14:26.44 | Patlabor221 | here we go |
| 14:26.44 | Patlabor221 | http://www.bdancer.com/med-guide/culture/dervish.html |
| 14:26.50 | Patlabor221 | whirling dervishes |
| 14:26.50 | sussudio | Das Booty |
| 14:26.53 | Dervish | very true, doug |
| 14:26.58 | doughecka | :) |
| 14:27.08 | doughecka | ~brap |
| 14:27.08 | | BRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAP!!! |
| 14:27.17 | Dervish | patlabor, thx! |
| 14:28.17 | Dervish | just skim-read it ... neat, but weird |
| 14:28.43 | Dervish | so to them, Dervish means "doorway" |
| 14:28.49 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 14:29.00 | Patlabor221 | spiritual enlightement kinda thing |
| 14:29.38 | Dervish | so my name in that context could mean imply that I'm your doorway to *whatever* lol... or that I'm "as dumb as a doorknob" lol |
| 14:30.05 | Patlabor221 | or you play EQ a lot. |
| 14:30.09 | Dervish | what's brap supposed to mean? |
| 14:30.17 | Patlabor221 | the sound of a burp |
| 14:30.25 | Patlabor221 | you see doug is 15 |
| 14:30.32 | Patlabor221 | so he gets off on those kinds of things |
| 14:30.41 | Dervish | never played EQ... stayed FAR away from Evercrack... played UO quite a while ago, and DAoC recently, but got bored with DAoC |
| 14:30.51 | sussudio | that and pigboy magazine |
| 14:31.11 | Patlabor221 | he can't get those in his house or his mum will yell at him |
| 14:31.17 | Dervish | IC patlabor... hmm, I must be out of the IRC loop... I don't log in much, except when I'm stuck at my g/f's place and bored to death |
| 14:31.53 | Patlabor221 | perhaps you should find something more fun to do with her then get on IRC :) |
| 14:32.10 | Patlabor221 | the ladys are rather soft and they do smell nice. |
| 14:32.17 | Dervish | she's watching some hip-hop remake movie of an old opera, and it sux big time |
| 14:32.25 | Patlabor221 | ohh my |
| 14:32.36 | Dervish | I can't get her away from the movie until it's over, lol |
| 14:32.42 | Cell | yes would be better to watch milli vanilli |
| 14:32.51 | Dervish | lol, so true, Cell |
| 14:33.11 | Patlabor221 | milli vanilli, cell are you even old enough to remember them? :) |
| 14:33.27 | Cell | of coz |
| 14:33.31 | Dervish | then again, as you get close to 30, you don't want it so much as you did when you were 18 or 21, lol |
| 14:33.36 | sussudio | they're worshipped in germany |
| 14:33.46 | Patlabor221 | good god why? |
| 14:34.07 | sussudio | well, they buy david hasselhof cds....... |
| 14:34.13 | sussudio | germans are just a bunch of weirdos |
| 14:34.14 | Cell | hahaha |
| 14:34.26 | doughecka | and the dutch arnt? |
| 14:34.29 | Patlabor221 | sweet baby jesus that is just wrong |
| 14:34.35 | Dervish | I don't know... talk to nature... males tend to burn out slowly after 18... and fail al together when they reach may be 70, lol... kinda sad, I know |
| 14:34.35 | doughecka | dutch sounds like german backwards |
| 14:34.41 | Patlabor221 | well I do have a william shatner CD somewhere |
| 14:34.47 | Patlabor221 | but it was bought as a joke |
| 14:34.48 | sussudio | shut up doug you dont even know how either sounds |
| 14:34.48 | Dervish | lol, yuck |
| 14:35.14 | doughecka | I do too |
| 14:35.17 | Patlabor221 | I almost lost it when he did "lucy in the sky with diamonds" |
| 14:35.25 | Dervish | dutch, german... the people live so close any ways, lol ;) |
| 14:35.26 | Cell | cool |
| 14:35.32 | doughecka | I flew on KLM |
| 14:35.32 | sussudio | picture yourself on a boat on a river.......... |
| 14:35.41 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 14:35.47 | Dervish | *on a boat* |
| 14:35.51 | Patlabor221 | but think of kirk singing it |
| 14:35.55 | Patlabor221 | LOUDly |
| 14:35.57 | sussudio | i know it |
| 14:36.26 | Patlabor221 | drows? as in dark elven woomen? |
| 14:36.27 | sussudio | bilbo bilbo baggins........... |
| 14:36.33 | Dervish | drows = drowns |
| 14:36.41 | Cell | Hey Dervish i think u are a lucky guy |
| 14:36.48 | Dervish | how so? |
| 14:37.12 | Cell | cause u dont know how life sucks if u are me ;) |
| 14:37.37 | Dervish | hmmm... but I bet I could imagine if you tell me. That bad? |
| 14:37.48 | Cell | yep |
| 14:38.07 | Dervish | how so? time to flood this channel with your missery ;) |
| 14:38.12 | doughecka | ~flood |
| 14:38.12 | | doughecka: no idea |
| 14:38.16 | doughecka | good |
| 14:38.45 | doughecka | ~lart everybody but doughecka |
| 14:38.58 | Cell | lol |
| 14:39.09 | Dervish | sadly, i remember that gun |
| 14:39.17 | doughecka | whats the BFG9000? |
| 14:39.20 | Dervish | doom |
| 14:39.40 | doughecka | ah |
| 14:39.45 | sussudio | spispopd |
| 14:40.19 | Patlabor221 | then the BFG10k |
| 14:40.19 | Dervish | Was the best weapon in Doom1... may be 2 or 3... BFG= Big F*cking Gun |
| 14:40.19 | Patlabor221 | D3 isn't out yet |
| 14:40.33 | Dervish | then you can tell how I've been extremely loyal to the series in keeping up to date *not* ;) |
| 14:41.03 | Patlabor221 | Doom is like 10 years old isn't it? |
| 14:41.12 | Dervish | yeah, was a DOS game |
| 14:41.15 | doughecka | not even close |
| 14:41.22 | doughecka | more like 50 years |
| 14:41.31 | Dervish | 94 may be? 8 years? |
| 14:41.34 | Dervish | n95? |
| 14:41.35 | Patlabor221 | doug. please shut up, you sound like hoda |
| 14:41.40 | doughecka | hoda? |
| 14:41.48 | Dervish | who's hoda? |
| 14:41.49 | Patlabor221 | hoda |
| 14:41.53 | Patlabor221 | an idiot |
| 14:41.56 | Dervish | ~find hoda |
| 14:42.04 | doughecka | ~seen hoda |
| 14:42.04 | | doughecka: i haven't seen 'hoda' |
| 14:42.13 | Patlabor221 | he was on this AM |
| 14:42.22 | doughecka | I saw him |
| 14:42.22 | Patlabor221 | wanted you to make him his game movie |
| 14:42.29 | doughecka | oooh |
| 14:42.36 | doughecka | he wanted me to make his smoke |
| 14:42.47 | doughecka | smoke a monkey blind folded in a paper bag could do |
| 14:42.56 | Patlabor221 | I think he wanted you to make the entire movie |
| 14:43.14 | Cell | what kind of movie? |
| 14:43.17 | doughecka | heh |
| 14:43.17 | Patlabor221 | he has no clue what he is doing |
| 14:43.31 | Patlabor221 | intro movie for his "game" |
| 14:43.36 | Cell | what kind of game? |
| 14:43.55 | Patlabor221 | he calls it a "mech/fps/rpg" |
| 14:44.05 | Cell | cool name |
| 14:44.13 | Cell | lol |
| 14:44.16 | Patlabor221 | that's not it's name |
| 14:44.21 | Cell | ah |
| 14:44.22 | Dervish | mech' ... frames per second... roleplaying game ?? wtf? |
| 14:44.30 | Patlabor221 | FPs |
| 14:44.33 | Patlabor221 | first person shooter |
| 14:44.40 | Dervish | oh, lol |
| 14:44.48 | Cell | great |
| 14:45.00 | Dervish | heheh, the bot couldn't find hoda =) |
| 14:45.04 | Patlabor221 | out thery is he's 15 and lives in his parents basement |
| 14:45.08 | Dervish | I guess he doesn' |
| 14:45.12 | Patlabor221 | we have allready confiremd the basement part. |
| 14:45.13 | Dervish | doesn't exist |
| 14:45.18 | doughecka | At least I dont live in a basemant |
| 14:45.23 | Patlabor221 | ~seen hoda |
| 14:45.23 | | i haven't seen 'hoda', Patlabor221 |
| 14:45.28 | Dervish | heheh |
| 14:45.45 | doughecka | ~lart hoda |
| 14:45.47 | Patlabor221 | odd it must kill the log, or he got reset |
| 14:45.51 | Cell | u mean he was never on fresh air? |
| 14:45.59 | Dervish | admit that hoda is just some imaginary person you use to cover for an embarassing moment |
| 14:46.04 | doughecka | This is Fresh Air! |
| 14:46.41 | Patlabor221 | ohh cap's got the logs of him wanting to "donate" a tank model to bz |
| 14:46.49 | Dervish | so with your help, I know what lart does, but what does it stand for??? |
| 14:47.02 | doughecka | Dervish: I have no idea |
| 14:47.04 | doughecka | ~lart? |
| 14:47.04 | | Go to http://www.lart.tudelft.nl/ |
| 14:47.15 | doughecka | oh joy |
| 14:47.27 | doughecka | The LART is a small yet powerful embedded computer capable of running Linux. Its performance is around 250 MIPS while consuming less than 1 Watt of power. In a standard configuration it holds 32MB DRAM and 4MB Flash ROM, which is sufficient for a Linux kernel and a sizeable ramdisk image. |
| 14:47.27 | doughecka | |
| 14:47.33 | Patlabor221 | somehow I don't think they made an embeded insult processor |
| 14:47.45 | doughecka | me niether |
| 14:47.46 | Dervish | it gave us info for embedded PC chip, lol |
| 14:48.36 | Dervish | firmware on embedded web server chip dedicated to IRC insults |
| 14:48.48 | Dervish | that would be sad |
| 14:48.48 | doughecka | 01,9912http://heckaman.bzflag.org0101,99 |
| 14:48.48 | doughecka | see gushing water.avi |
| 14:49.06 | doughecka | ~help lart |
| 14:49.14 | doughecka | Luser Attitude Readjustment Tool |
| 14:49.41 | Dervish | connecting.... |
| 14:49.48 | doughecka | how does it know my louisville slugger???!?!?!? |
| 14:49.57 | doughecka | thats odd |
| 14:50.44 | Dervish | either your server is lagged, doug, or it's not streaming clip and trying to download entire thing before playing |
| 14:50.50 | doughecka | it is |
| 14:50.51 | Dervish | there it goes now |
| 14:50.54 | Patlabor221 | he's on a DSL |
| 14:50.55 | Patlabor221 | it's not fast |
| 14:50.58 | doughecka | npe |
| 14:50.59 | doughecka | nope |
| 14:51.02 | doughecka | cache it all |
| 14:51.04 | doughecka | download it |
| 14:51.08 | Dervish | an animation you made? |
| 14:51.15 | doughecka | yea |
| 14:51.18 | doughecka | partly |
| 14:51.31 | Dervish | cool... bet it's tough to make that water in a wireframe? damn |
| 14:51.35 | Patlabor221 | dosn't look like water |
| 14:51.40 | doughecka | it does too |
| 14:51.46 | Patlabor221 | looks like a ping pong ball hydrant |
| 14:51.49 | doughecka | hmm |
| 14:51.57 | doughecka | need to lower the bounce |
| 14:51.59 | Dervish | lol... damn pat, it looks like water to me |
| 14:52.06 | Patlabor221 | water dosnt' stay in a ball |
| 14:52.13 | Dervish | it is BOUNCY though, you got that part right |
| 14:52.17 | doughecka | picky picky |
| 14:52.27 | doughecka | let me fix that |
| 14:52.34 | Patlabor221 | actualy doug make the particles smaller and make more off them |
| 14:52.37 | Patlabor221 | then it looks better |
| 14:52.40 | Dervish | lower bounce, and it looks better... otherwise it looks close enough to water |
| 14:52.52 | Patlabor221 | also make them have some reflectance |
| 14:52.58 | doughecka | k |
| 14:52.59 | doughecka | ok |
| 14:53.07 | doughecka | get the other water |
| 14:53.08 | doughecka | avi |
| 14:53.10 | Dervish | with a lower bounce, you could remove the fire hydrant and viewers may think it's water |
| 14:53.18 | doughecka | lol |
| 14:53.40 | Dervish | which one? animation2? animation 3? |
| 14:53.56 | doughecka | gushing_water.avi |
| 14:54.19 | Dervish | I just viewed that one... did you just upload another copy? |
| 14:54.26 | sussudio | dogs think doug is a fire hydrant |
| 14:54.37 | Patlabor221 | he has one witha _ and one with out |
| 14:54.43 | doughecka | theres a second gushing_water one |
| 14:55.00 | Dervish | doug is probably one of those "smart" dogs... and is on his PC making dream animations ;) |
| 14:55.10 | doughecka | a yup |
| 14:55.16 | Cell | the flag around a sphere avi, is that done with max? |
| 14:55.23 | doughecka | yea |
| 14:55.25 | doughecka | I did that |
| 14:55.33 | Cell | u are quick |
| 14:55.34 | doughecka | in max |
| 14:55.37 | doughecka | :) |
| 14:55.40 | Cell | lerner |
| 14:55.40 | doughecka | tutorials... |
| 14:55.45 | Dervish | I only see one guishing_water.avi, doug |
| 14:56.02 | doughecka | hmm |
| 14:56.06 | doughecka | get the one with _ |
| 14:56.10 | doughecka | thats the new one |
| 14:56.38 | doughecka | the.. |
| 14:56.40 | doughecka | 7 meg one... |
| 14:56.42 | doughecka | um |
| 14:56.45 | Dervish | I refreshed again, and now I see it... wasn't there a few seconds ago |
| 14:56.45 | doughecka | let me re do it |
| 14:56.59 | doughecka | wait, let me get a smaller one |
| 14:57.08 | Dervish | 7MB, damn |
| 14:57.21 | Dervish | I'll wait for it |
| 14:57.51 | doughecka | hah |
| 14:58.25 | Dervish | they have some DSL here, so just waiting on your server's upload speed, but it'll come soon |
| 14:58.27 | doughecka | 2 min |
| 14:58.41 | doughecka | ok |
| 14:58.48 | doughecka | theres a new one rendering |
| 14:58.54 | doughecka | done in one min |
| 14:58.56 | doughecka | get that |
| 14:58.59 | Dervish | k |
| 14:59.19 | Cell | the whole avi? |
| 14:59.21 | doughecka | called: water_gushing.avi |
| 14:59.26 | doughecka | yea |
| 14:59.30 | doughecka | its 100x75 |
| 14:59.32 | doughecka | small |
| 14:59.34 | Cell | k |
| 14:59.36 | doughecka | ok |
| 14:59.36 | doughecka | done |
| 14:59.37 | doughecka | get it |
| 15:00.14 | doughecka | only 258 kb |
| 15:00.20 | Dervish | still shows it as 7MB... I'll just wait for the large one to loacd |
| 15:00.22 | Dervish | nload |
| 15:00.28 | doughecka | no |
| 15:00.32 | doughecka | theres a smaller one |
| 15:00.38 | doughecka | called water_gushing.avi |
| 15:00.39 | Dervish | oops, so used to using n to start a line of chat |
| 15:00.42 | doughecka | reload |
| 15:01.00 | Dervish | I see it |
| 15:01.04 | doughecka | ok |
| 15:01.09 | doughecka | 258 kb |
| 15:01.28 | doughecka | make the particals smaller? |
| 15:01.37 | Patlabor221 | and more of them |
| 15:01.41 | Patlabor221 | so they blend |
| 15:01.41 | doughecka | k |
| 15:01.55 | Patlabor221 | water dosnt allway s flow in droplets |
| 15:02.07 | Patlabor221 | realy a particle system can's simulate water |
| 15:02.16 | Patlabor221 | it does better with fire and smoke |
| 15:02.22 | Patlabor221 | cus those are realy particle systems |
| 15:02.35 | Patlabor221 | but water drops will combine when they hit |
| 15:02.36 | Dervish | may be some drops on the edges... and some blobs in the middle, all blended together a bit? |
| 15:02.52 | doughecka | rendering again |
| 15:02.59 | Dervish | this new one looks better though... very cool =) |
| 15:03.02 | doughecka | gonne be slower |
| 15:03.11 | doughecka | since it has 250 not 50 particals |
| 15:03.38 | doughecka | 28 seconds |
| 15:04.07 | doughecka | called Gusher01.avi, go and get it! |
| 15:06.04 | Dervish | doug, may be you should organize it, and just change numbers at the end, keeping the name the same :) |
| 15:06.14 | doughecka | lol |
| 15:06.21 | fiberchunks | heya |
| 15:07.12 | doughecka | hmm |
| 15:08.09 | Dervish | hello fiber, my g/f is here now :) |
| 15:09.15 | Cell | im rendering too now |
| 15:09.58 | doughecka | in my puddle... |
| 15:10.52 | sussudio | doug has a puddle in his pants |
| 15:18.48 | Dervish | see ya, have a good one |
| 15:20.40 | Cell | see the clip i made for a course(with max 4): http://home.in.tum.de/~edelstei/pub-wrs/wrs/student/expert/html/media/videos/wosindrams.avi |
| 15:21.13 | doughecka | k |
| 15:21.36 | doughecka | cool |
| 15:26.31 | doughecka | brb |
| 15:26.38 | Cell | the new one: (took 17min but beginning i bad): http://217.229.13.226/tank.avi |
| 15:28.05 | Cell | its the melt modifier and ink-paint material |
| 15:28.20 | Cell | gat to go sleep |
| 15:29.52 | spinachmongol | ibot ducati |
| 15:29.52 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 15:29.54 | bzbot | Trurl (G): -6 (18-24). duh (R): -2 (1-3). Grumpalicious (G): 12 (33-21). asdf (R): 16 (26-10). |
| 16:10.05 | [TeA] | ibot ducati |
| 16:10.05 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 16:10.07 | bzbot | -<Vins>- (G): -7 (30-37). Crash (R): 20 (67-47). huh (G): -5 (3-8). Anubis (G): -41 (16-57). asdf (R): 60 (145-85). Trojan (R): 3 (7-4). |
| 16:13.02 | Widget | . |
| 16:30.08 | [TeA] | ZZZzzZzZzZ------ |
| 16:32.23 | sussudio | warning: lamer running server on 24.69.67.239 |
| 16:39.48 | sussudio | i really really hate bitchx. |
| 16:54.51 | [TeA] | night all |
| 17:14.50 | Widget | dinah!? |
| 17:15.59 | Patlabor221 | ? |
| 17:16.24 | dinah | see i want to add this bit of text to .bashrc, if i do it right then every time i start a terminal some lovely text will display |
| 17:16.51 | dinah | but when ever i add it id whines about syntax erros on line whatever |
| 17:16.59 | sussudio | aww |
| 17:17.22 | Patlabor221 | sounds like it's trying to execute those lines |
| 17:17.27 | dinah | line 61: syntax error: unexpected end of file |
| 17:17.49 | Patlabor221 | you may need a newline at the end of the file |
| 17:20.14 | dinah | well, thats nice, not helpfull, but nice |
| 17:22.55 | sussudio | it's friggin cold here mr bigglesworth |
| 17:32.32 | xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx | k |
| 17:40.51 | Patlabor221_ | well that sucked |
| 17:41.46 | sussudio | like 10 dollah ho? |
| 17:41.58 | Patlabor221_ | 10$ ho's dosn't suck that much |
| 17:42.46 | sussudio | they do if you smack em upside the head |
| 17:48.23 | xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx | Testmap.map |
| 17:48.45 | Patlabor221_ | you sure? |
| 17:48.52 | xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx | yes |
| 17:48.56 | Patlabor221_ | right cick on the mapfile and go to properies |
| 17:49.07 | Patlabor221_ | and see what the full "DOS NAME" is |
| 17:49.21 | Patlabor221_ | windows ME can lie to you |
| 17:51.25 | xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx | where will it say the dos name |
| 17:52.09 | Patlabor221_ | it should say the real name and type of the file in the diaog that comes up when you right click on the map file and chose "peroperties" |
| 17:52.44 | xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx | it does |
| 17:53.09 | Patlabor221_ | what does it say for type? |
| 17:53.45 | xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx | the type of file is php |
| 17:54.02 | Patlabor221_ | there is your problem |
| 17:54.12 | xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx | opens wit bzflag |
| 17:54.13 | Patlabor221_ | your map is realy named textmap.map.php |
| 17:54.31 | Patlabor221_ | rename the file to just test |
| 17:54.47 | Patlabor221_ | then in the server start command put text.php for the map name |
| 17:54.54 | xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx | just testmap.map |
| 17:55.01 | Patlabor221_ | no |
| 17:55.13 | Patlabor221_ | your OS is hiding the real name from you |
| 17:55.20 | xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx | k |
| 17:55.34 | Patlabor221_ | .map files are not of type PHP |
| 17:55.41 | xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx | so change it to textmap.map.php |
| 17:55.58 | Patlabor221_ | no no no |
| 17:56.14 | Patlabor221_ | rename the file to just test |
| 17:56.20 | Patlabor221_ | then in the server start command put text.php for the map name |
| 17:56.23 | xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx | k |
| 17:56.34 | Patlabor221_ | or test.php actualy |
| 17:56.58 | Patlabor221_ | what ever name you change the file to in windows, it will allways have a .php at the end |
| 17:57.11 | Patlabor221_ | untill you can find where to turn that extension hiding off. |
| 17:58.23 | Patlabor221_ | doug: do you ahve a crap ME machine there? |
| 17:59.39 | sussudio | <ee99ee> can I swap PCI network cards w/o shutting down my system? |
| 17:59.40 | sussudio | ... |
| 17:59.47 | Patlabor221_ | say yes |
| 17:59.50 | sussudio | i did |
| 18:00.01 | sussudio | <sussudio> ee99ee: yes, don't mind the sparkling effect |
| 18:00.02 | Patlabor221_ | very good then :) |
| 18:00.31 | xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx | textphp |
| 18:00.45 | Patlabor221_ | what did you name the file to? |
| 18:01.25 | xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx | test.php |
| 18:01.35 | Patlabor221_ | then thats the name you use when you start the server |
| 18:01.50 | Patlabor221_ | do you see test.php in the folder? |
| 18:02.04 | xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx | in data |
| 18:02.08 | Patlabor221_ | or just test? |
| 18:02.20 | xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx | yes |
| 18:02.32 | Patlabor221_ | just test? with no .php? |
| 18:02.38 | Patlabor221_ | cus that is how it should be |
| 18:02.43 | xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx | test.php |
| 18:02.51 | Patlabor221_ | it should be just test |
| 18:02.58 | Patlabor221_ | windows will add the php for you |
| 18:03.01 | Patlabor221_ | in the background |
| 18:03.08 | Patlabor221_ | you will never see it |
| 18:03.37 | xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx | what do i type for the world? |
| 18:03.42 | Patlabor221_ | test.php |
| 18:05.24 | xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx | when i typed it in the title fo ms.doc changed to bzfs |
| 18:05.32 | Patlabor221_ | and it just sat there? |
| 18:05.39 | Patlabor221_ | no blinky cursor? |
| 18:05.47 | xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx | nothing else happend |
| 18:05.56 | Patlabor221_ | congratulations you are running a server |
| 18:06.01 | xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx | yes |
| 18:06.06 | xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx | thx |
| 18:06.07 | xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx | thx |
| 18:06.07 | Patlabor221_ | you did it |
| 18:06.10 | Patlabor221_ | sure |
| 18:06.22 | xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx | see ye |
| 18:06.24 | xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx | a |
| 18:06.29 | xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx | thx again |
| 18:06.34 | Patlabor221_ | you know how to log into it riight? |
| 18:06.40 | Patlabor221_ | I guess he does |
| 18:12.33 | sussudio | -|- (Men_Without_Hats)_Safety_Dance.mp3 (2,651,661 bytes 128kbps Joint Stereo 2mins 46secs Year:1983 Album:Rhythm Of Youth |
| 18:13.03 | Patlabor221_ | s s s s ss a a a a a f f f f f t t t t t e e e e y y y y y |
| 18:13.08 | sussudio | daaance |
| 18:13.26 | Patlabor221_ | if your friends can't dance then they are no friends of mine. |
| 18:16.56 | sussudio | -|- (Thomas_Dolby)_She_Blinded_with_Science.mp3 (6,261,619 bytes 161kbps VBR Joint Stereo 5mins 12secs Genre:Pop Year:1983 Album:Golden Age Of Wireless |
| 18:36.38 | hoda | lol |
| 18:36.42 | hoda | the safety dance |
| 18:37.20 | sussudio | -|- (Devo)_Whip_It.mp3 (2,558,327 bytes 128kbps Joint Stereo 2mins 40secs Genre:Alternative Year:1980 Album:Freedom Of Choice |
| 18:37.33 | hoda | devo is cool |
| 18:37.41 | sussudio | and they have pointy hats |
| 18:37.45 | hoda | was |
| 18:37.47 | hoda | was cool |
| 18:38.19 | hoda | devo was like a lil bit of japan |
| 18:38.27 | hoda | 4 mtv |
| 18:39.19 | M_A_C | ouchie |
| 18:40.24 | hoda | Pixies are a great band |
| 18:41.52 | sussudio | this dougie's gone to heaven |
| 18:41.57 | hoda | lol |
| 18:42.17 | sussudio | -|- (Frank_Black)_[01]_Hang_On_To_Your_Ego.mp3 (5,930,844 bytes 230kbps VBR Joint Stereo 3mins 27secs Genre:AlternRock Year:1993 Album:Hang On To Your Ego (CD Sing.. |
| 18:42.26 | hoda | frank black is great |
| 18:42.30 | sussudio | ah that's better |
| 18:42.31 | sussudio | my own rip |
| 18:42.33 | hoda | black francis |
| 18:42.45 | hoda | uhh ahhh ahhhh |
| 18:43.00 | hoda | rofl |
| 18:43.08 | sussudio | it took 4 months, but i ripped my entire cd collection |
| 18:43.23 | hoda | i was happy when they played my fav pixie song at the end of fight club |
| 18:43.41 | sussudio | that movie ending was stupid |
| 18:43.54 | sussudio | hollywood sux0rs |
| 18:43.54 | hoda | i like watch american buildings blow up |
| 18:44.08 | hoda | especially financial buildings |
| 18:44.30 | sussudio | yeah, that's plausable...... their servers wouldnt be colocated somewhere in colorado |
| 18:44.48 | sussudio | no, let's put everything in 300 square meters |
| 18:45.03 | hoda | uhh yes it is too late |
| 18:45.04 | sussudio | i bet they were running windoze servers too :-P |
| 18:45.10 | hoda | omg |
| 18:45.45 | hoda | good thing sum terrorists can hak |
| 18:47.06 | Patlabor221 | so hoda how's that tank coming along? |
| 18:47.45 | hoda | geo is perfect |
| 18:47.53 | hoda | to the eye atleast |
| 18:48.14 | hoda | its still unrefined in all though |
| 18:48.31 | hoda | dunno where to go with it |
| 18:48.38 | hoda | but the mesh is "fixed" |
| 18:49.08 | Patlabor221 | can I see a pic of it? |
| 18:49.09 | hoda | if im unsatisfoed with anything its the side engine segments |
| 18:51.08 | Patlabor221 | also a bz tank does not need a place for someone to "sit" |
| 18:51.18 | hoda | could i put a driver model ther? |
| 18:51.25 | hoda | i was hoping too |
| 18:51.36 | Patlabor221 | you can do what ever you want |
| 18:51.42 | Patlabor221 | but it would be part of the model |
| 18:51.45 | hoda | right well that was the plan |
| 18:51.55 | hoda | for bzflag model |
| 18:52.02 | MrApathyCream | unless the driver gets ejected on explosion |
| 18:52.14 | hoda | its still a long way off from goin in my game |
| 18:52.19 | hoda | lol |
| 18:52.40 | Patlabor221 | it just looks soo bland |
| 18:52.42 | Patlabor221 | it's flat |
| 18:52.45 | hoda | yup |
| 18:52.50 | hoda | its 366 poly's |
| 18:52.59 | Patlabor221 | like a squased starteck ship |
| 18:53.03 | hoda | shuttle |
| 18:53.05 | hoda | ... |
| 18:53.09 | Patlabor221 | no the defiant |
| 18:53.11 | hoda | is what i thought |
| 18:53.25 | hoda | the sides look like nacells |
| 18:53.37 | Patlabor221 | do you have a concept skech that you started from? |
| 18:53.43 | hoda | yeah |
| 18:53.47 | hoda | it looks dif |
| 18:53.54 | Patlabor221 | can I see that? |
| 18:54.00 | hoda | sure ill web can it in |
| 18:54.08 | hoda | but ITS GHETTO |
| 18:54.17 | Patlabor221 | I am showing 1400 polys |
| 18:54.20 | Patlabor221 | not 366 |
| 18:54.27 | hoda | :| |
| 18:54.29 | hoda | wut |
| 18:54.37 | hoda | ohhhh |
| 18:54.46 | hoda | i left the turrets in |
| 18:54.50 | Patlabor221 | 1472 triangles |
| 18:54.54 | Patlabor221 | 1692 verts |
| 18:55.01 | Patlabor221 | 7 groups |
| 18:55.01 | hoda | the turrets/guns are unoptimised |
| 18:55.03 | Patlabor221 | 2 materials |
| 18:55.57 | Patlabor221 | and 0 UV coords |
| 18:56.08 | Patlabor221 | and you should center these things |
| 18:56.54 | Patlabor221 | there is a good book on low poly modeling in 3ds you should prolaby look at |
| 18:56.56 | Patlabor221 | it's a bit old |
| 18:57.00 | Patlabor221 | but it gets you the basics |
| 18:58.43 | Patlabor221 | and I would show your work on the polycount "previews and pimpin" board |
| 18:59.00 | Patlabor221 | there are a lot of knowlegelble people there who will get you some contructive crits. |
| 18:59.36 | Patlabor221 | it's mostly FPS models, but people show all kinds of stuff thre |
| 18:59.55 | Patlabor221 | like thos |
| 18:59.56 | Patlabor221 | http://www.planetquake.com/polycount/images/photo/index.asp?id=398264 |
| 19:01.13 | hoda | ok i got the pic |
| 19:01.26 | hoda | its super ghetto but it actually looks better as a tank |
| 19:02.37 | hoda | its just a ghetto pencil drawing |
| 19:02.47 | hoda | drawing is my worst skill |
| 19:03.08 | Patlabor221 | looks like one of the things from tribes 2 |
| 19:03.11 | hoda | but you can see how i got that tank |
| 19:03.33 | Patlabor221 | or the cobra "hiss" battle tank form GI-Joe |
| 19:03.33 | hoda | dunno sometimes a moddle goes a dif direction... |
| 19:03.34 | Patlabor221 | sorta |
| 19:03.54 | Patlabor221 | usualy you refine your concept before you bust out a model |
| 19:04.10 | hoda | lol im actually better at modeling than drawing |
| 19:04.21 | hoda | all my modles are conceptual |
| 19:04.41 | hoda | most of those prolly wont be in my game |
| 19:05.00 | hoda | just place holders and tests |
| 19:05.52 | hoda | i will definetly be completely perfecting my meshes for my game |
| 19:06.58 | Patlabor221 | like this ? http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~polycount/ubb/Forum2/HTML/005487.html?00029 |
| 19:07.05 | Patlabor221 | now that's a good model |
| 19:07.46 | hoda | yeah it is |
| 19:07.53 | hoda | perfect skins too |
| 19:11.04 | hoda | ive seen tons of cool weapon models |
| 19:11.32 | hoda | i need to get a good skinner on my team |
| 19:12.22 | Patlabor221 | find 2d artists then |
| 19:12.48 | hoda | i need too |
| 19:13.13 | hoda | 99% of people i run across are not very dedicated |
| 19:13.46 | Patlabor221 | well you need to show them that you have good things they can skin |
| 19:15.12 | hoda | that dosnt change a persons attitude though |
| 19:15.35 | Patlabor221 | actualy it can |
| 19:15.49 | Patlabor221 | if they think your full of crap they won't put forth any effort |
| 19:16.29 | Patlabor221 | they won't want to do a ton of work only to see the other parts of it fail. |
| 19:22.28 | sussudio | lameass win2000... boot twice to update the friggin cdrw firmware |
| 19:22.41 | sussudio | "with windows 2000 you will hardly ever have to boot again!" |
| 19:22.44 | sussudio | ~lart microsoft |
| 19:22.53 | Patlabor221 | if it's firmware how is that the OS? |
| 19:23.07 | sussudio | good question |
| 19:23.29 | sussudio | -win2000- made me reboot twice after updating it |
| 19:24.32 | Patlabor221 | sounds like a badly made firmware installer |
| 19:24.51 | sussudio | plextor. and windows 2000 did a popup to reboot. |
| 19:25.06 | sussudio | it's not a 'new device'. it's a friggin firmware update. |
| 19:25.09 | Patlabor221 | the installer tells the os to reboot |
| 19:25.47 | sussudio | not debian then? |
| 19:26.00 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 19:26.11 | Patlabor221 | I'd screw that install right up :) |
| 19:26.29 | Patlabor221 | and I hear that people say it's missing stuff ALL the time |
| 19:26.33 | sussudio | there isnt much to screw up unless you're xxxxxxxxxxxx or doug |
| 19:26.53 | Patlabor221 | does it ship with the nvidia drivers? |
| 19:26.58 | Patlabor221 | the good ones? |
| 19:27.07 | sussudio | yeah it's a debian package |
| 19:27.29 | Patlabor221 | not the "NV" ones? |
| 19:27.48 | sussudio | *shrug*. the ones that dont do nasty crashy things. |
| 19:28.03 | Patlabor221 | I need the ones that have GL support |
| 19:28.21 | Patlabor221 | and I've allready got RH8 installaled |
| 19:28.28 | sussudio | you can always get debs from dri.sourceforge.net |
| 19:29.26 | Patlabor221 | dri dosn't have nvidias they say on there site |
| 19:29.31 | Patlabor221 | but they do have 3dfx |
| 19:29.36 | Patlabor221 | that's good to know |
| 19:29.37 | sussudio | dunno. |
| 19:29.41 | Patlabor221 | I have a voodoo 5 |
| 19:29.42 | sussudio | they have ati. |
| 19:29.47 | Patlabor221 | tht they do |
| 19:29.59 | Patlabor221 | but my radion smoked itself |
| 19:30.27 | hoda | win2k consistently obliterates the current users "profiles" |
| 19:30.44 | Patlabor221 | only if you mess with it |
| 19:30.47 | hoda | atleast for me it does |
| 19:30.50 | hoda | lol |
| 19:30.52 | hoda | :( |
| 19:31.02 | Patlabor221 | or are part of a domain where the admins have NO clue what they are doing |
| 19:31.05 | hoda | i re-boot and its like your profile is corrupt |
| 19:31.19 | Patlabor221 | have you checked your registry and drive for errors? |
| 19:31.33 | hoda | so i log-on then log-off then log back on and it goes back too normal |
| 19:31.40 | hoda | its my chipset |
| 19:31.44 | hoda | 686/b |
| 19:31.49 | hoda | southbridge |
| 19:31.56 | Patlabor221 | 686? |
| 19:31.57 | hoda | maximus corrupticus |
| 19:32.06 | Patlabor221 | who makes it? |
| 19:32.08 | Patlabor221 | via? |
| 19:32.10 | hoda | via |
| 19:32.10 | Patlabor221 | amd? |
| 19:32.27 | Patlabor221 | on a durron you sould be useing a kt133 or someting like that |
| 19:32.31 | Patlabor221 | what mobo mfg you have? |
| 19:32.37 | hoda | omg |
| 19:33.02 | hoda | its a kt133A |
| 19:33.08 | Patlabor221 | there you go |
| 19:33.14 | Patlabor221 | what mobo mfg? |
| 19:33.16 | hoda | and the southbridge is generating the errors |
| 19:33.24 | hoda | damn... |
| 19:33.34 | hoda | uhhh |
| 19:33.39 | hoda | fic |
| 19:33.44 | hoda | fica |
| 19:33.55 | Patlabor221 | ahh those "high qualitly" bords |
| 19:33.58 | Patlabor221 | what model? |
| 19:33.59 | hoda | not a good mfg |
| 19:34.13 | sussudio | msi? |
| 19:34.24 | sussudio | soyo? |
| 19:34.28 | Patlabor221 | MSI's are better then FIC |
| 19:34.35 | sussudio | pcchips? |
| 19:34.35 | Patlabor221 | had crap luck with soyis |
| 19:34.42 | Patlabor221 | oooooooooooo |
| 19:35.01 | hoda | me too |
| 19:35.07 | Patlabor221 | we've had good luck with ECS |
| 19:35.14 | hoda | a soyo kt266 wouldnt boot for me |
| 19:35.14 | sussudio | i had one soyo 586 board...... it blew up or something. |
| 19:35.25 | hoda | i tried everything for weeks |
| 19:35.39 | hoda | might have been the ram though |
| 19:35.45 | hoda | after all |
| 19:36.12 | hoda | yeah i kinda wanted a chaintech board lastime i bought one |
| 19:36.20 | hoda | just to check it out |
| 19:36.25 | sussudio | i have 3 chaintech pentium boards |
| 19:36.33 | hoda | but i got this here fualty one instead |
| 19:36.42 | sussudio | i think they got them en masse at the government institutions here |
| 19:36.46 | sussudio | they pop up everywhere |
| 19:36.55 | sussudio | one has a freaky timer |
| 19:37.06 | hoda | yeah i wonder who they sell theyre stuff too |
| 19:37.30 | hoda | i hate intel |
| 19:37.38 | Patlabor221 | have you tried a bios update? |
| 19:37.45 | hoda | rofl oh hell yeah |
| 19:37.56 | hoda | this is an old problem........ |
| 19:38.13 | hoda | anyfile over 110 megs corrupts.... |
| 19:38.25 | Patlabor221 | we use KT133As in all our systems |
| 19:38.30 | Patlabor221 | they run just fine |
| 19:38.34 | hoda | what os? |
| 19:38.53 | Patlabor221 | we have put all kinds of OS's on |
| 19:38.53 | Patlabor221 | 2k |
| 19:38.53 | Patlabor221 | xp |
| 19:38.53 | hoda | omg |
| 19:38.53 | Patlabor221 | 98 |
| 19:38.53 | Patlabor221 | me |
| 19:38.58 | Patlabor221 | redhat |
| 19:38.59 | hoda | it is a kt133 |
| 19:39.05 | hoda | its not the revision |
| 19:39.11 | hoda | unlocked revision |
| 19:39.14 | Patlabor221 | what ram do you have? |
| 19:39.21 | hoda | its a kt133 4 sure |
| 19:39.27 | hoda | brand=generic |
| 19:39.35 | hoda | 512m sdr |
| 19:39.35 | Patlabor221 | speed? |
| 19:39.37 | sussudio | mine has a kx133 chipset |
| 19:39.38 | hoda | 133 |
| 19:39.44 | hoda | aww kt's blow |
| 19:40.03 | hoda | the ram may be running at 100 mhz's |
| 19:40.10 | sussudio | asus k7v.... it's very stable |
| 19:40.24 | hoda | asus=good |
| 19:40.32 | sussudio | 2x512mb pc133 |
| 19:40.34 | Patlabor221 | I had an Asus PIII board it was great |
| 19:41.20 | hoda | p3's were good |
| 19:41.20 | Patlabor221 | well P4's are just P3's in smaller packages :) |
| 19:41.20 | hoda | more cpu per clock cycle |
| 19:41.44 | hoda | p4's=WTF 500$ for 1 cpu??????????????? |
| 19:41.56 | hoda | i get 3 amd's |
| 19:42.01 | hoda | and cluster |
| 19:42.10 | Patlabor221 | no P4 CPU is 500 at this time |
| 19:42.17 | hoda | get some free linux sum good priced amd's |
| 19:42.27 | Patlabor221 | most expesnive one is the brand new one at 2.8 gigs at $10 |
| 19:42.32 | Patlabor221 | sorry $410 |
| 19:42.33 | hoda | SMOKE THE INTEL CHIPS |
| 19:42.50 | hoda | still 2x the price of a comparable amd |
| 19:42.51 | Patlabor221 | then it drops right down to the high 200s |
| 19:43.03 | Patlabor221 | not realy |
| 19:43.08 | hoda | itll just run 5% faster for twice the price |
| 19:43.15 | Patlabor221 | a XP 2700 is $360 |
| 19:43.29 | hoda | amd's always had a tight fpu |
| 19:43.33 | Patlabor221 | the 2600 is more then the P2 2.6 |
| 19:43.50 | Patlabor221 | actualy origonal K6's didn't have a FPU |
| 19:44.31 | hoda | i heard that |
| 19:44.39 | hoda | thunderbird had the first tight fpu |
| 19:44.46 | Patlabor221 | intell is actualy competivie in price now untill you get down to the XP 2100 range |
| 19:44.53 | hoda | rite |
| 19:45.16 | hoda | xp2400=180$ |
| 19:45.26 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 19:45.43 | Patlabor221 | and 2.4 P4 is 183 |
| 19:45.50 | hoda | yeah |
| 19:45.57 | hoda | i guess your rite |
| 19:46.09 | Patlabor221 | ohh I don't have to guess |
| 19:46.18 | hoda | me either |
| 19:46.22 | Patlabor221 | my other company sells them |
| 19:46.47 | hoda | get 10 duron 1.2's |
| 19:46.56 | hoda | for 1 p4 2.8 |
| 19:47.00 | Patlabor221 | we have about 35 in stock now |
| 19:47.04 | Patlabor221 | well yeah |
| 19:47.07 | hoda | i like my duron |
| 19:47.12 | Patlabor221 | how many Celly's does that buy? |
| 19:47.32 | hoda | 6 |
| 19:47.44 | Patlabor221 | yeah not that much of a dif |
| 19:47.50 | Patlabor221 | cellys are about $10 more |
| 19:48.11 | hoda | yeah bout |
| 19:48.20 | hoda | worth it |
| 19:48.20 | Patlabor221 | and cellys have more cache |
| 19:48.29 | Patlabor221 | I don't know |
| 19:48.38 | Patlabor221 | I don't think most people see the dif |
| 19:48.38 | hoda | durons are just cheap |
| 19:48.52 | Patlabor221 | I would get a 1.0 durron and overclock it to 1.33 |
| 19:48.55 | hoda | thats theyre redeeming quality |
| 19:48.56 | Patlabor221 | at a 133 buss |
| 19:49.06 | hoda | my mobo isnt worth it |
| 19:49.19 | hoda | and prolly just cant do it |
| 19:49.20 | Patlabor221 | does the mobo support 133? |
| 19:49.27 | Patlabor221 | all KT133's should |
| 19:49.30 | hoda | it said not... |
| 19:49.33 | Patlabor221 | hence the 133 |
| 19:49.36 | hoda | 133 cpu |
| 19:49.46 | hoda | i dunno man its ghetto |
| 19:49.56 | Patlabor221 | well then the mfg slowed it down in the bios |
| 19:49.59 | hoda | never put a 133 in |
| 19:50.10 | hoda | omg the bios really sux |
| 19:50.14 | Patlabor221 | makes sense since all durrons run at 100 |
| 19:50.20 | hoda | rite |
| 19:51.05 | hoda | i dont need to overclock |
| 19:51.12 | Patlabor221 | an overclocked 1.0 durron only runs 4 deg. hoter then a on OC one |
| 19:51.12 | hoda | i need a new mobo |
| 19:51.24 | Patlabor221 | the bus speed increase was very nice |
| 19:51.36 | hoda | this mobo dosnt let me touch bus speed |
| 19:51.51 | hoda | for cpu anyways |
| 19:52.01 | hoda | or multiplier |
| 19:52.02 | Patlabor221 | what else is there that has one? |
| 19:52.06 | hoda | or voltage |
| 19:52.17 | Patlabor221 | does it support a 1.3 athalon? |
| 19:52.25 | hoda | uhh 1.2 max |
| 19:52.28 | hoda | i think |
| 19:52.37 | hoda | its like a 100 mhz board |
| 19:52.47 | hoda | :| |
| 19:52.53 | Patlabor221 | you can get a little ECS board for like $35 |
| 19:53.11 | hoda | yeah i need a sdram board and those are disapeering |
| 19:53.19 | Patlabor221 | not realy |
| 19:53.25 | hoda | seems like it |
| 19:53.36 | Patlabor221 | culd get a ECS K7s5a |
| 19:53.43 | Patlabor221 | has sdram and ddr |
| 19:53.52 | Patlabor221 | even suports XPs |
| 19:54.14 | hoda | kt266? |
| 19:54.19 | Patlabor221 | nope |
| 19:54.37 | Patlabor221 | it's an SIS chipset |
| 19:54.40 | hoda | ohh |
| 19:54.43 | Patlabor221 | but it works rather well |
| 19:54.45 | hoda | never had one |
| 19:54.48 | Patlabor221 | I've had 3 of them |
| 19:54.54 | Patlabor221 | still have 1 |
| 19:55.14 | hoda | yeah is the overclocking user friendly? |
| 19:55.25 | Patlabor221 | that's the one I used to OC the surron |
| 19:55.28 | Patlabor221 | durron |
| 19:55.31 | hoda | i have a tiny heatsink though |
| 19:56.04 | Patlabor221 | get a better one |
| 19:56.08 | hoda | er |
| 19:56.13 | Patlabor221 | $5 |
| 19:57.36 | hoda | lol |
| 19:57.36 | hoda | start melting pennies |
| 19:57.36 | hoda | i r make 1 |
| 19:57.36 | hoda | 20 lbs of unrefined copper |
| 19:57.36 | hoda | ill just drop that on my cpu |
| 19:57.36 | doughecka | hmm |
| 19:57.36 | doughecka | greetings |
| 19:57.41 | hoda | greets |
| 19:57.53 | doughecka | seasons greetings |
| 19:57.57 | doughecka | bwuaahaa |
| 19:58.09 | hoda | tis the season for killing spree's in these parts |
| 19:58.18 | doughecka | um |
| 19:58.20 | doughecka | hi |
| 19:58.22 | doughecka | :) |
| 19:59.01 | doughecka | hmm |
| 19:59.05 | hoda | like a cockroach... |
| 19:59.05 | doughecka | melt pennies? |
| 19:59.15 | hoda | into 20lbs of copper |
| 19:59.18 | doughecka | ick |
| 19:59.28 | hoda | ahahah |
| 19:59.30 | doughecka | a) pennies arnt copper |
| 19:59.36 | hoda | federal crimes |
| 19:59.38 | doughecka | b) they are mostly nickle |
| 19:59.41 | hoda | zinc? |
| 19:59.44 | doughecka | or that |
| 20:00.09 | Patlabor221 | what if your parents hear banginign and buring sounds coming from the basement. |
| 20:00.17 | doughecka | no basement |
| 20:00.20 | hoda | i guess i should steal peoples silver jewelry |
| 20:00.25 | doughecka | b) no pennies |
| 20:00.31 | doughecka | c) federal crome |
| 20:00.42 | doughecka | crime even |
| 20:00.44 | hoda | chromium |
| 20:00.45 | doughecka | Mmm |
| 20:00.50 | doughecka | sounds like icecream |
| 20:01.56 | doughecka | bah, only applesauce |
| 20:01.56 | doughecka | hm |
| 20:01.59 | Patlabor221 | well you 2 have fun arguing about stupid ideas |
| 20:02.47 | Patlabor221 | $104 worht of DVDs and well worth it. |
| 20:03.06 | doughecka | 104? |
| 20:03.06 | doughecka | wow |
| 20:03.13 | Patlabor221 | box set |
| 20:03.20 | doughecka | oh |
| 20:04.14 | doughecka | how about a dvd drive? |
| 20:04.48 | Patlabor221 | maybe |
| 20:04.53 | Patlabor221 | if you behave |
| 20:09.16 | doughecka | bah |
| 20:09.27 | doughecka | where is the "sub object" button? |
| 20:09.39 | hoda | lol |
| 20:09.41 | doughecka | ooh |
| 20:09.42 | doughecka | dinner |
| 20:09.45 | hoda | next to the toomany buttons button |
| 20:09.52 | doughecka | yup |
| 20:11.29 | sussudio | another game of laserctf-the-tard-version |
| 20:11.35 | sussudio | 56 points or something |
| 20:26.53 | hoda | how do i code defacation in my game? |
| 20:27.05 | hoda | do i just use an entity to spawn poop? |
| 20:27.18 | hoda | in certain places in the maps |
| 20:27.51 | hoda | or should models drop shit with an animation |
| 20:28.10 | hoda | >:| |
| 20:28.14 | sussudio | are you using controlled substances? |
| 20:28.23 | hoda | in game? |
| 20:28.27 | sussudio | irl |
| 20:28.34 | hoda | no |
| 20:28.41 | sussudio | just wondering. |
| 20:28.47 | hoda | i wanna put maggot juice in the bars in my maps |
| 20:29.11 | sussudio | not fetus puree? |
| 20:29.18 | hoda | fetus paste |
| 20:29.24 | hoda | on toast |
| 20:29.37 | sussudio | http://www.hotendotey.com/current/comic.gif |
| 20:29.54 | hoda | i dunno is it even worth making a game if you cant deficate on the table |
| 20:59.57 | MrApathyCream | full house tonite |
| 21:00.35 | hoda | quiet |
| 21:00.37 | sussudio | i hope the olsen twins dont show up |
| 21:00.43 | hoda | rofl |
| 21:00.49 | hoda | they look like aliens |
| 21:00.53 | hoda | now |
| 21:00.58 | sussudio | they are aliens. |
| 21:01.11 | hoda | theyre hollywood clones |
| 21:01.42 | hoda | i see them advertising olson twin dolls on cartoon planet... |
| 21:01.55 | hoda | the heads are like huge and mishapen |
| 21:02.04 | sussudio | inflatable dolls? |
| 21:02.07 | hoda | rofl |
| 21:02.26 | sussudio | doug looooooooooooves the olsen twins |
| 21:02.26 | hoda | i want a sex doll with a tape worm comin out of its *ss |
| 21:19.42 | sussudio | everybody wang chung tonight |
| 21:36.14 | MrApathyCream | nice book, noodleman |
| 21:48.30 | Patlabor221 | wow hoda, you are nasty |
| 21:49.51 | Patlabor221 | and I mean to the point of being just "wrong" |
| 21:52.44 | hoda | wang chung is cool |
| 21:53.03 | hoda | its a old joke for me |
| 21:53.21 | Patlabor221 | spawning poop? |
| 21:53.33 | hoda | lol i have discussed it with coders b4 |
| 21:53.55 | hoda | ive had alot of convos bout bones and guts too |
| 21:54.06 | hoda | and maggots |
| 21:54.09 | Patlabor221 | were they all 15 like you too? |
| 21:54.14 | hoda | lol |
| 21:54.21 | hoda | no... |
| 21:54.44 | Patlabor221 | ohhh they were 16? they had hit puberty then. |
| 21:55.23 | hoda | well i was working with the dude who talked bout that stuff |
| 21:55.35 | hoda | but he never stopped talking about it |
| 21:55.56 | hoda | hes a smart guy but he plays video games and jerks off all day |
| 21:56.03 | hoda | instead of making games |
| 21:56.14 | Patlabor221 | ahhh another basement child then. |
| 21:56.19 | hoda | yeah |
| 21:56.29 | hoda | less motivated than me |
| 21:56.36 | hoda | which is pretty bad |
| 21:56.50 | hoda | still this dude actually knew c++ |
| 21:57.10 | hoda | and he couldnt even stop playing counter strike long enough to start working |
| 21:57.14 | Patlabor221 | ohh wow, that's a huge level of skill |
| 21:57.20 | Patlabor221 | C++ |
| 21:57.21 | Patlabor221 | wow |
| 21:57.24 | Patlabor221 | I mean |
| 21:57.31 | Patlabor221 | they like teach that in High School |
| 21:57.33 | hoda | well id give an arm to understand c++ syntax |
| 21:57.42 | hoda | i have no formal education |
| 21:57.47 | Patlabor221 | realy? |
| 21:57.50 | hoda | save a few college courses |
| 21:57.50 | Patlabor221 | we could not tell |
| 21:58.06 | Patlabor221 | Home School tard? or dropout? |
| 21:58.25 | hoda | i never dropped out but i never worried about my classes |
| 21:58.32 | hoda | they werent teaching me anything |
| 21:58.37 | Patlabor221 | ohh so a failure |
| 21:58.40 | hoda | i should have learned more math |
| 21:58.50 | hoda | but they werent teaching anything |
| 21:58.57 | hoda | worthwhile |
| 21:59.33 | hoda | i took a computer class and they were all like transistors were invented 50 years ago and then they invented semi conducters |
| 21:59.49 | hoda | nd now you get to play with apple IIe's |
| 22:00.14 | hoda | yes ive failed every class since the second grade |
| 22:00.25 | Patlabor221 | makes sense |
| 22:00.39 | Patlabor221 | so are your parents rich? |
| 22:00.42 | hoda | i am not at all interested in public skooling |
| 22:01.02 | hoda | normally id answer but im sick of being insulted |
| 22:01.35 | Patlabor221 | ahh very good then |
| 22:01.37 | hoda | since either way your response will be a insult you can use your superior intellect to formulate an answer to your own question |
| 22:01.48 | Patlabor221 | naw I'm not that smart |
| 22:01.51 | Patlabor221 | it's just realy easy. |
| 22:03.56 | Patlabor221 | cap: you back yet? |
| 22:05.57 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 22:06.15 | MrApathyCream | the syntax is the easy part |
| 22:06.38 | Patlabor221 | yeah it realy is |
| 22:08.32 | MrApathyCream | Patlabor221: i take it the parents are rich |
| 22:09.14 | Patlabor221 | must be |
| 22:09.28 | Patlabor221 | or somone is about to be put out in the street |
| 22:09.54 | Patlabor221 | figures, I get the music Cap has been asking for all week, and he's gone. |
| 22:10.47 | MrApathyCream | ibot, seen_captain_proton? |
| 22:10.47 | | captain_proton was last seen on #bzflag 214 days, 3 hours, 2 minutes and 45 seconds ago, saying: BZFlag: I'm not going to develop BZFlag anymore, sorry. |
| 22:11.06 | Patlabor221 | ibots seen thing is doing soo well. |
| 22:12.52 | Patlabor221 | wonder what made him want to quit deving in the begining of this year |
| 22:15.13 | MrApathyCream | ibot, seen_Patlabor221? |
| 22:15.13 | | Patlabor221 was last seen 5 hours ago teaching hoda to program |
| 22:15.43 | Patlabor221 | no I would not go that far |
| 22:16.05 | Patlabor221 | tho I should teach a class on how to start a server in windows |
| 22:16.13 | Patlabor221 | and the evils of windows ME |
| 22:17.43 | hoda | ok does anyone here know how to cell shade render in 3dsmax? |
| 22:22.08 | Patlabor221 | dosn't it need a plugin? |
| 22:23.33 | hoda | i would think something of that nature |
| 22:23.42 | hoda | theres tons of rendering options |
| 22:23.56 | hoda | but i dont see anything to do with cell shading in specific |
| 22:24.04 | hoda | grr |
| 22:24.28 | Patlabor221 | they may call it cartoon |
| 22:24.38 | Patlabor221 | perhaps the online help |
| 22:24.45 | hoda | cell said:ink paint material |
| 22:25.01 | hoda | obviously its not gonna be native to 3ds or easy |
| 22:26.03 | Patlabor221 | I don't think old 3ds does it |
| 22:26.33 | hoda | im sure theres a material or plugin that does this |
| 22:26.35 | sussudio | game gamma control for my radeon only makes the LETTERS lighter in bzflag, not the graphs :-P |
| 22:26.43 | hoda | maybe a combo of materials |
| 22:28.01 | hoda | hey cap any idea on cell shading in 3dsmax? |
| 22:28.03 | sussudio | ibot rejoice |
| 22:28.03 | | No, damit!!! |
| 22:28.10 | hoda | google? |
| 22:28.11 | Noodleman | Patlabor221: i take offense at your poke at home scholling |
| 22:28.25 | Noodleman | schooling* |
| 22:28.28 | Patlabor221 | well I have seen it work some times |
| 22:28.46 | Patlabor221 | but often I thing it leaves the children lacking in some basic skills |
| 22:28.53 | Patlabor221 | realy it depends on the parents |
| 22:29.19 | sussudio | if the parents have depends they're just too old to have kids |
| 22:29.26 | Noodleman | it certainly does, but in general, home schoolers are over par |
| 22:29.42 | Patlabor221 | well not the ones I've meet then |
| 22:29.57 | MrApathyCream | deep |
| 22:30.05 | Patlabor221 | I know some that are just lazy and used it as an excuse to get out of work |
| 22:30.21 | Patlabor221 | but hey I'd love to be wrong on that. |
| 22:30.46 | Noodleman | i've seen some kids that turn out badly, but most turn out good |
| 22:30.52 | Patlabor221 | that's good |
| 22:31.00 | Patlabor221 | I know most public schools suck |
| 22:31.06 | Patlabor221 | mine was decent enough |
| 22:31.33 | captain_proton | hoda: nope |
| 22:31.35 | Noodleman | but as far as i know, i've never heard of home schoolers going postal |
| 22:31.36 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: oooh gimme gimme :) |
| 22:31.45 | Patlabor221 | say the magic word |
| 22:31.58 | captain_proton | NOW! |
| 22:32.03 | sussudio | sausages! |
| 22:32.04 | Noodleman | hehe |
| 22:32.07 | Patlabor221 | the man knows his movies |
| 22:35.18 | captain_proton | ...working LGE? |
| 22:35.31 | captain_proton | hoda: read the fine manual |
| 22:35.54 | MrApathyCream | is _that_ what rtfm means |
| 22:35.55 | MrApathyCream | ah |
| 22:36.05 | Patlabor221 | LGE works? |
| 22:36.14 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: news to me |
| 22:36.16 | MrApathyCream | dunno, i just want to play with the one that does |
| 22:36.21 | sussudio | rtfm = kama sutra |
| 22:36.48 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: you and me both |
| 22:37.01 | Noodleman | nice, cap |
| 22:37.13 | Noodleman | anagrams |
| 22:37.17 | Noodleman | george bush = he bugs gore |
| 22:37.31 | Noodleman | eleven plus two = twelve plus one |
| 22:37.32 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 22:37.50 | sussudio | george bush = shrub gagger |
| 22:37.50 | Noodleman | slot machines = cash lost in me |
| 22:38.08 | Noodleman | hey, that's not an anagram |
| 22:38.15 | sussudio | whats your point |
| 22:38.18 | Noodleman | too many g's |
| 22:38.20 | MrApathyCream | roflmao |
| 22:38.32 | Noodleman | hehe |
| 22:39.07 | sussudio | little geek is on the case |
| 22:39.23 | Noodleman | bush may not be my favorite, but gore certainly couldn't have handled 9/11 as well as bush did |
| 22:39.39 | sussudio | handled well as in bombing stuff? |
| 22:39.59 | Noodleman | that's better than sitting around twiddling his thumbs |
| 22:40.00 | captain_proton | Noodleman: pshaw, bush didn't do anything real |
| 22:40.00 | sussudio | passing laws to take away basic rights? |
| 22:40.04 | MrApathyCream | join #bzflag |
| 22:40.07 | MrApathyCream | oops |
| 22:40.30 | MrApathyCream | sub_tile? |
| 22:40.38 | Noodleman | i didn't say he handled it perfectly |
| 22:41.21 | MrApathyCream | they fight like an old married couple |
| 22:41.21 | Noodleman | but i think gore might have resigned or something |
| 22:41.21 | Noodleman | hehe |
| 22:41.21 | captain_proton | Noodleman: ugg, go out and buy yourself a brain, k? |
| 22:41.21 | Noodleman | hehe, will do |
| 22:41.23 | Noodleman | :-P |
| 22:41.41 | Noodleman | who did you, or would you have voted for, cap? |
| 22:41.55 | Noodleman | if anyone |
| 22:43.04 | Noodleman | silence... |
| 22:43.09 | Noodleman | apolitical? |
| 22:43.44 | MrApathyCream | i am legally blind under 5 feet, and thus cannot vote (old age, erg) |
| 22:44.36 | Patlabor221 | political discusions offten lead to shouting and/or killings I have found |
| 22:44.40 | Patlabor221 | that and religon. |
| 22:44.53 | sussudio | and clothes sales |
| 22:44.58 | Noodleman | hehe |
| 22:45.27 | Noodleman | don't worry, i call my self a 'republicrat' |
| 22:45.36 | Noodleman | i'm almost as nuetral as one can be |
| 22:45.36 | Patlabor221 | humans can not be trusted. |
| 22:45.39 | Noodleman | hehe |
| 22:45.44 | Noodleman | neutral* |
| 22:45.56 | sussudio | we are the knights that say NI |
| 22:46.05 | captain_proton | Noodleman: i would have voted for gore |
| 22:46.40 | Noodleman | i probably wouldn't have voted |
| 22:47.48 | MrApathyCream | but cappy is happy with the repub senate/house |
| 22:48.02 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: i am? |
| 22:48.07 | captain_proton | hmm, cappy is happy |
| 22:48.16 | captain_proton | nice little sentence fragment there |
| 22:48.37 | Noodleman | hehe |
| 22:49.38 | captain_proton | well i'm gonna go watch 'crawling eye' |
| 22:49.44 | captain_proton | probably be stopping in every once in a whiel |
| 22:50.21 | Noodleman | sounds like one of those goofy horror movies from the 50s |
| 22:50.24 | Noodleman | :-P |
| 22:51.06 | captain_proton | goofy horror/scifi |
| 22:57.48 | MrApathyCream | re-animator when i was a boy, the one |
| 22:58.01 | MrApathyCream | it was a talky |
| 22:59.16 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: you know it? |
| 23:01.11 | MrApathyCream | huh? |
| 23:01.55 | hoda | i figured out cell shading partially its just materials with filters |
| 23:02.53 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: erm |
| 23:02.56 | captain_proton | what does this mean: |
| 23:03.00 | captain_proton | <MrApathyCream> re-animator when i was a boy, the one |
| 23:03.00 | captain_proton | <MrApathyCream> it was a talky |
| 23:20.42 | MrApathyCream | captain_proton: a fine movie, it was a hoot |
| 23:20.58 | MrApathyCream | classic b horror movie.. lots o laughs |
| 23:26.42 | captain_proton | its especially good with my roommate doing a running commentary |
| 23:29.09 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: whats this? |
| 23:29.17 | MrApathyCream | an old friend |
| 23:29.55 | captain_proton | oooooooooh |
| 23:30.03 | MrApathyCream | you need to fill in the blank |
| 23:30.30 | captain_proton | i need md5.hh and md5.cxx |
| 23:30.34 | MrApathyCream | playing.cxx 3393 |
| 23:30.34 | captain_proton | and why is it .hh? |
| 23:30.41 | MrApathyCream | in sf |
| 23:30.49 | MrApathyCream | that's just the way it came... noreason |
| 23:30.53 | MrApathyCream | here they come |
| 23:32.09 | Patlabor221 | MAC why send them to me? |
| 23:32.16 | MrApathyCream | the more the merrier |
| 23:32.30 | MrApathyCream | one of you yutes, needs to fill in the blank at playing.cxx line 3393 |
| 23:33.27 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: this should be converted to std::string |
| 23:33.44 | MrApathyCream | Patlabor221: why? |
| 23:34.10 | MrApathyCream | captain_proton: lets put in e8 |
| 23:34.23 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: works for me |
| 23:34.27 | MrApathyCream | sourceforge: unixutils |
| 23:34.31 | MrApathyCream | no cygwin |
| 23:34.35 | Patlabor221 | haven't done that ether |
| 23:34.43 | MrApathyCream | boo |
| 23:34.51 | captain_proton | oughta get the chestal/akira patch in and release |
| 23:34.56 | MrApathyCream | Patlabor221: you a windoz guy? |
| 23:34.57 | Patlabor221 | I'm still trying to get over the fact that I accedentalty shaved my beard off |
| 23:35.04 | Patlabor221 | I have both |
| 23:35.20 | MrApathyCream | i was speaking of *nix, actually windoz works (of course) |
| 23:35.26 | MrApathyCream | doesn't it always? |
| 23:36.05 | Patlabor221 | I mostly use windows tho |
| 23:36.14 | MrApathyCream | only issue is unix and mac cache directory location |
| 23:36.20 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: should send it to eddienull for mac |
| 23:36.24 | MrApathyCream | and i spose, what to do when the cache grows to big |
| 23:36.28 | MrApathyCream | k |
| 23:37.42 | Patlabor221 | so what does this do? |
| 23:37.55 | MrApathyCream | caches world downloads so once you download them, you don't have to again |
| 23:38.03 | Patlabor221 | ahhh very nice |
| 23:38.20 | Patlabor221 | are comments sent in the world file? |
| 23:38.20 | MrApathyCream | eddienull: you there? |
| 23:38.32 | MrApathyCream | no, it's actually a binarry version |
| 23:38.38 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: it doesn't send the world file, it sends the world database |
| 23:38.41 | Patlabor221 | that is what I feard |
| 23:38.51 | Patlabor221 | yeah that's what it seemed to do, figured I'd ask tho |
| 23:41.31 | captain_proton | "the united nations has a special team for investigating phenomena" |
| 23:41.37 | captain_proton | what is this? the UNX-Files? |
| 23:41.42 | Patlabor221 | cap Hack2 is done |
| 23:41.59 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: :) |
| 23:42.23 | Patlabor221 | I seemed to have some issues with the hackOVA |
| 23:42.31 | Patlabor221 | but I am sending what I have done. |
| 23:42.37 | captain_proton | issues? |
| 23:42.59 | Patlabor221 | the ogg ripper I was using died |
| 23:43.29 | captain_proton | on linux: cdrecord -B; for file in `ls *.wav`; do oggenc $file; rm $file; done |
| 23:43.46 | Patlabor221 | ohh I got it fixed up |
| 23:43.54 | captain_proton | err |
| 23:43.57 | captain_proton | not cdrecord |
| 23:44.00 | captain_proton | cdparanoia -B |
| 23:44.09 | Patlabor221 | and I have this? |
| 23:44.31 | captain_proton | probably |
| 23:45.02 | Patlabor221 | well the linux machine is presently busy sending you stuff |
| 23:45.08 | Patlabor221 | so I can not be used for ripping |
| 23:46.21 | captain_proton | ooh, this movie is gooood |
| 23:46.31 | captain_proton | i like how the cosmic ray scientist also happens to be an MD |
| 23:46.49 | Patlabor221 | if you got the word DR. in your name |
| 23:47.20 | captain_proton | ooh, AND psycologists |
| 23:49.04 | Patlabor221 | like I said a dr is a dr |
