| 00:24:48 | SpacemanSpiff | Can one of you do me a HUGE favor?!?!? |
| 00:24:58 | bzdougg | nope |
| 00:25:00 | bzdougg | ;) |
| 00:25:03 | bzdougg | maybe |
| 00:25:12 | bzdougg | depends on how huge it is |
| 00:25:14 | SpacemanSpiff | Can you get on jzaun and then disconnect from it real quick (so the world will change)? |
| 00:25:19 | bzdougg | ya |
| 00:25:27 | SpacemanSpiff | One of his blind ambition's worlds is on and it keeps jacking my pc up |
| 00:25:37 | SpacemanSpiff | Thank you VERY much |
| 00:26:08 | bzdougg | hmm |
| 00:26:15 | bzdougg | it aint connectin |
| 00:26:25 | SpacemanSpiff | I can't stand his worlds... they always do this to servers |
| 00:26:33 | bzdougg | lol |
| 00:26:40 | bzdougg | ick |
| 00:26:43 | bzdougg | bzflag crashed |
| 00:26:47 | SpacemanSpiff | Especially "Tanks Invade The Acropilas" or whatever it is |
| 00:26:52 | SpacemanSpiff | Yep.. it's doing that to me too |
| 00:26:53 | SpacemanSpiff | Grrrr |
| 00:27:25 | bzdougg | lol |
| 00:27:31 | SpacemanSpiff | Is there any way to change the world besides connecting to it?? I'm an admin there :| |
| 00:27:44 | bzdougg | hmm |
| 00:27:48 | bzdougg | wait 1 hour |
| 00:27:50 | bzdougg | ;) |
| 00:27:55 | SpacemanSpiff | Very funny :P |
| 00:27:56 | bzdougg | I guess nobody can connect |
| 00:28:04 | bzdougg | since the server wont change maps |
| 00:28:06 | bzdougg | hmm |
| 00:28:08 | | bzfquerylong jzaun.com 5155 |
| 00:28:08 | bzdougg | ibot jzaun |
| 00:28:21 | bzdougg | ah, yup, servers TOAST!!! |
| 00:28:24 | | jzaun was last seen on #bzflag 3 days, 1 hours, 53 minutes and 26 seconds ago, saying: hey doughecka [Thu Oct 10 16:34:58 2002] |
| 00:28:24 | bzdougg | ibot seen jzaun |
| 00:28:29 | bzdougg | WHERE IS JZAUN!!! |
| 00:28:42 | bzdougg | shrugs and wonders off |
| 00:29:48 | SpacemanSpiff | No clue |
| 00:30:16 | bzdougg | hmm |
| 00:30:22 | bzdougg | vacation maybe |
| 00:30:31 | bzdougg | wonders off to play AA |
| 00:33:14 | SpacemanSpiff | I'm ready to tell his blind ambition just how much I DON'T like his worlds about now |
| 00:33:25 | bzdougg | lol |
| 00:33:45 | SpacemanSpiff | They all jack the servers up badly |
| 00:33:57 | bzdougg | hmm |
| 00:34:01 | bzdougg | lots of objects... |
| 00:34:05 | bzdougg | shrugs |
| 00:34:09 | bzdougg | he likes doing them... |
| 00:34:26 | bzdougg | maybe jzaun should have 2 servers... one for dial up one for broadband.. |
| 00:34:46 | SpacemanSpiff | Apparently so...... I like making worlds... but I never make them if I think they'll lock peoples pc's up |
| 00:34:48 | bzdougg | and then all the high end maps go on his othejr server.. |
| 00:34:53 | bzdougg | heh |
| 00:35:00 | bzdougg | wooooo |
| 00:35:04 | bzdougg | 141 kb sec! |
| 00:35:08 | bzdougg | pretty good |
| 00:35:18 | SpacemanSpiff | Yep |
| 00:35:23 | bzdougg | grins and wonders away |
| 00:43:57 | bzdougg | whoop de do! its MrApathyCream!!!! |
| 00:44:04 | | a big fat guy, old enough to know better than to stay up all night and play BZFlag, but does anyway. |
| 00:44:04 | bzdougg | ibot MrApathyCream |
| 00:44:09 | bzdougg | ohhhh |
| 00:44:18 | bzdougg | your not the guy with a pet duck |
| 00:44:20 | | a german gent that enjoys croissant with his pet duck, Tag |
| 00:44:20 | bzdougg | ibot Chestal |
| 00:46:34 | MrApathyCream | nope, am not |
| 00:46:50 | MrApathyCream | <am fat and old tho> |
| 01:53:23 | captain_proton | returns |
| 01:54:42 | jolly | hey captain |
| 03:21:50 | captain_proton | farking gm campers |
| 06:34:17 | bomber_ | moin |
| 06:43:42 | lurgyman | i have a pet sock |
| 06:43:47 | lurgyman | his name is alfred |
| 06:43:51 | lurgyman | alfred the pet sock |
| 06:44:00 | lurgyman | he doesn't eat chameleons |
| 06:44:21 | lurgyman | he does, however, eat brussels sprouts |
| 06:44:40 | MrApathyCream | no wonder he smells bad |
| 06:44:58 | lurgyman | especially a few weeks after eating |
| 06:45:06 | lurgyman | it'd help if he had a digestive system |
| 06:45:10 | lurgyman | sighs |
| 06:46:02 | lurgyman | anyone care to donate one? |
| 06:46:33 | lurgyman | send them to: |
| 06:46:38 | lurgyman | 209 Aden |
| 06:46:44 | lurgyman | North America |
| 06:46:50 | lurgyman | 80310 |
| 06:47:36 | lurgyman | or: |
| 06:47:41 | lurgyman | The White House |
| 06:47:47 | lurgyman | 1600 Pennsylvania |
| 06:48:02 | lurgyman | Washington, D.C. <zip code here> |
| 06:48:22 | lurgyman | alfred stands vigilant guard over both places |
| 06:49:05 | lurgyman | alfred's hero is alfred hitchcock |
| 06:49:13 | lurgyman | he made a lot of films |
| 06:49:18 | lurgyman | somewhat famous ones |
| 06:49:25 | lurgyman | alfred the pet sock could make better ones, though |
| 06:49:43 | MrApathyCream | alfred's --> 'the burbs' |
| 06:49:53 | lurgyman | quality films like "Saunta Claus Conquers the Martians II: Bleeg's Revenge" |
| 06:50:38 | lurgyman | the new film will feature properly spelled "Costume" in the opening credits |
| 06:51:26 | lurgyman | mystery science theatre 3000 won't need to cover this bit of shakespeare |
| 06:51:31 | MrApathyCream | alfred's silouhette |
| 06:51:32 | MrApathyCream | ___ |
| 06:51:33 | MrApathyCream | \ |
| 06:51:33 | MrApathyCream | | |
| 06:51:33 | MrApathyCream | | |
| 06:51:33 | MrApathyCream | | |
| 06:51:34 | lurgyman | they should have covered star trek II, though |
| 06:51:35 | MrApathyCream | / |
| 06:51:37 | MrApathyCream | | |
| 06:51:39 | MrApathyCream | | |
| 06:51:40 | lurgyman | oops |
| 06:51:41 | MrApathyCream | ---- |
| 06:51:43 | MrApathyCream | 'good evening' |
| 06:51:56 | lurgyman | he has a really long, er, nose |
| 06:52:07 | MrApathyCream | he is a sock, after all |
| 06:52:58 | lurgyman | alfred will also design cool cards |
| 06:53:00 | lurgyman | er, cars |
| 06:53:04 | lurgyman | with extre knee room |
| 06:53:15 | lurgyman | s/extre/extra |
| 06:53:27 | lurgyman | for your extra knee |
| 06:53:44 | lurgyman | is hungry |
| 06:53:55 | MrApathyCream | and sleep deprived, not doubt |
| 06:53:57 | lurgyman | demands alfred returns the brussels sprouts he stole last month |
| 06:54:07 | lurgyman | no thanks to proton\ |
| 06:54:59 | lurgyman | someone needs to write a clever script that will halt his machine every evening at 1:30 |
| 06:57:28 | Widget | Hvarfor? |
| 07:02:24 | prodan | guete morge |
| 07:05:26 | Widget | !? |
| 07:05:30 | Widget | Good morning. |
| 07:05:39 | prodan | good conjecture |
| 07:05:59 | Widget | What language is "Guete Morge"? |
| 07:06:09 | prodan | swiss german |
| 07:06:22 | Widget | Ah- |
| 07:06:31 | Widget | I thought it was only an oral dialect. |
| 07:06:34 | wspanker | cool my people are swiss german |
| 07:06:35 | Widget | How do you know Swiss German? |
| 07:06:57 | prodan | how do you know english |
| 07:07:04 | wspanker | hehehee |
| 07:07:23 | Widget | Because I grew up in an English-speaking country. |
| 07:07:32 | prodan | btw ch de is mostly an oral dialect with every city/region having their own written form |
| 07:07:35 | Widget | Did you grow up in Switzerland? |
| 07:08:01 | wspanker | okay guys here is a question i can't get BZ to run just on my computer |
| 07:08:48 | prodan | for standardisation reasons the ch de speaking ch coordinated on german as official written languge (next to french, italian, and romansch) |
| 07:09:02 | prodan | widget: yes |
| 07:09:03 | Widget | Yes, that's what I thought. |
| 07:09:15 | Widget | Since most Swiss websites are in German. |
| 07:10:21 | prodan | for nationalistic reasons i tend to think of it as a language not a dialect (and most germans wont understand ch de anyway) |
| 07:10:51 | Widget | The language/dialect distinction is completely political. |
| 07:11:25 | prodan | its sort of like somebody from kentucky talking to a yorkshire (UK) farmer |
| 07:11:46 | Widget | bzdougg is from Kentucky. :-) |
| 07:12:15 | prodan | i know (butim not from yorkshire) |
| 07:12:19 | prodan | ;-) |
| 07:12:58 | prodan | wspanker: why |
| 07:12:59 | ws | hey guys is BZ down? can't find servers |
| 07:13:46 | prodan | ok here |
| 07:13:55 | prodan | chardonnay is up |
| 07:14:42 | Widget | Well, my day begins now... first lecture in 15 minutes. |
| 07:14:44 | Widget | Bye. |
| 07:15:51 | prodan | waves. |
| 07:16:04 | ws | hmmm it seems to come and go.... |
| 07:38:38 | captain_proton | every european here raise your hand |
| 08:00:20 | prodan | raises his hand (and hopes doug wont chop it off) |
| 08:05:38 | captain_proton | prodan: can you pass along a message to your local governmental representative? |
| 08:06:12 | prodan | in which country |
| 08:06:16 | captain_proton | for the EU |
| 08:06:41 | captain_proton | i've decided on something that will be (in the end) best for both the EU and the US |
| 08:06:52 | bomber_ | :o) |
| 08:06:53 | captain_proton | here in the US, we need to be invaded. by the EU |
| 08:07:24 | prodan | hmmmm |
| 08:07:34 | prodan | then your farm subsidies will go up |
| 08:07:49 | prodan | and ill have to pay for part of the bill |
| 08:08:12 | prodan | i thought the US is going to invade the netherlands |
| 08:08:29 | captain_proton | first we have to invade iraq |
| 08:08:32 | captain_proton | then east africa |
| 08:08:35 | captain_proton | then northern africa |
| 08:08:40 | captain_proton | THEN the netherlands |
| 08:09:08 | prodan | and if we put a US war criminal on trail after the iraki invasion and before the east africa one |
| 08:10:05 | captain_proton | but it can all be avoided |
| 08:10:08 | captain_proton | if the EU attacks |
| 08:10:10 | prodan | however a US invasion by the EU would have the advantage of putting evolution on the US scool curric. |
| 08:10:27 | prodan | s/sc/sch/ |
| 08:10:56 | captain_proton | it is on the curriculum in most places |
| 08:11:12 | prodan | i know (but not all) |
| 08:11:20 | captain_proton | true |
| 08:11:53 | captain_proton | but we'd get a better economy, a more sensible government... |
| 08:12:08 | prodan | i advocate the swiss attack the EU first to install direct democracy there |
| 08:13:41 | lurgyman | i advocate the EU attacks the swiss so that they will be forced to acknowledge that the rest of the world exists |
| 08:14:37 | bomber_ | first swiss should send the inspectors to US and EU :o) |
| 08:14:52 | prodan | transfer of financial funds from X to swiss banks is a respected existence proof of X in Switzerland |
| 08:15:17 | bomber_ | then to set demilitary region |
| 08:15:46 | lurgyman | i'm not sure swiss banks actually acknowledge that the money comes from the outside world |
| 08:15:52 | lurgyman | they're just glad to see it come in |
| 08:16:05 | lurgyman | ooh! money! let's store it! |
| 08:16:54 | prodan | nope |
| 08:17:14 | prodan | tax evasion in ch ia an offence |
| 08:17:18 | prodan | tax evasion in ch is an offence |
| 08:17:37 | prodan | tax evasion in another country is not an offence in ch |
| 08:17:57 | prodan | sometimes it must be from abroad otherwise youd have some legal probs |
| 08:18:58 | prodan | BTW proton: variance of govs in Europe is huge: for a real banana republic with a dictatorship just look at Italy |
| 08:19:31 | prodan | you woudnt want an italian gov |
| 08:19:57 | prodan | its sort of like Cheyney for president with ashcroft as vice |
| 08:20:12 | prodan | and no colin powell |
| 08:21:20 | lurgyman | the swiss will admit that there is a definite non-swiss part of the world |
| 08:21:31 | lurgyman | but they will refuse to take any interest in it at all |
| 08:21:42 | lurgyman | sort of like an infinite void at the edge of known space |
| 08:22:07 | captain_proton | where money comes from |
| 08:22:11 | lurgyman | exactly |
| 08:22:24 | prodan | well there lurks some light in the void (swiss living abroad) |
| 08:22:36 | lurgyman | there exist such people? |
| 08:22:41 | lurgyman | are they really swiss? |
| 08:22:47 | lurgyman | i know how the swiss work: |
| 08:22:49 | prodan | je pense donc je suis |
| 08:23:00 | captain_proton | if they were -really- swiss, they wouldn't have left switzerland |
| 08:23:45 | lurgyman | Vaudois? |
| 08:23:53 | prodan | hmmm well sometimes i do feel mentally imbalenced when i think that i left ch |
| 08:24:09 | prodan | no frog here |
| 08:24:15 | prodan | non |
| 08:24:20 | lurgyman | ah |
| 08:24:30 | prodan | actually i wanted to say |
| 08:24:38 | prodan | on me vois donc je suis (sartre) |
| 08:25:07 | lurgyman | certainment |
| 08:25:17 | prodan | vaudois? |
| 08:25:30 | lurgyman | pour... dix mois, en 1992 |
| 08:25:38 | prodan | aha |
| 08:25:47 | lurgyman | j'ai de very weak francais |
| 08:25:52 | lurgyman | Lausanne |
| 08:26:00 | prodan | je vous gratule ;-) |
| 08:26:00 | Widget | hihihi |
| 08:26:03 | Widget | Torture! |
| 08:26:14 | lurgyman | Moi, je stick to the franglais |
| 08:26:27 | prodan | patois |
| 08:26:33 | lurgyman | :) |
| 08:26:36 | captain_proton | 'lo Widget |
| 08:26:44 | Widget | Principles of Sociology is torture! |
| 08:26:53 | prodan | indeed |
| 08:27:00 | prodan | study economic theory instead |
| 08:27:16 | Widget | And we have this book assigned... |
| 08:27:18 | Widget | On New Guinea. |
| 08:27:25 | lurgyman | J'ai un accent Vaudois, mais pas de grammaire |
| 08:27:41 | captain_proton | Widget: just remember...80% of new zealanders don't know where it is |
| 08:27:43 | Widget | Social Complexity in the Making - A Case Study Among the Arapesh of New Guinea |
| 08:27:48 | lurgyman | new guinea... how... populous and politically significant |
| 08:27:52 | prodan | I thought Sociology was banned by some international aggreement on human rights |
| 08:27:56 | Widget | captain_proton: Meh, you read the CNN article too. |
| 08:28:04 | captain_proton | :) |
| 08:28:09 | Widget | The first chapter is on growing yams. |
| 08:28:17 | lurgyman | i want that book |
| 08:28:23 | Widget | I think I've found my new favourite book. |
| 08:28:37 | prodan | can you distill yams? |
| 08:28:51 | lurgyman | i bet you can ferment them |
| 08:29:08 | lurgyman | make yam beer |
| 08:29:09 | lurgyman | or yam wine |
| 08:29:13 | Widget | Probably; or the New Guineans would have at least managed to make a nuclear missile like any other self-respecting third world country. |
| 08:29:14 | prodan | if you can make yam schnapps im all for yams |
| 08:29:27 | Widget | As it is, they're drinking yam whiskey. |
| 08:29:40 | lurgyman | I only drink yam vodka |
| 08:30:10 | prodan | dont they make that in tennessee too? |
| 08:30:16 | lurgyman | don't worry, your project can't last long |
| 08:30:28 | lurgyman | president bush is probably planning on invading new guinea as we speak |
| 08:30:38 | prodan | oil there? |
| 08:30:43 | lurgyman | their culture will be assimilated into the American collective |
| 08:30:48 | lurgyman | and SPLOOF! |
| 08:30:59 | lurgyman | i don't think it's an oil issue this time 'round |
| 08:31:05 | Widget | The War on Yams. |
| 08:31:10 | lurgyman | i think it's the bush family's grudge against iraq |
| 08:31:22 | prodan | Ashcroft wants to convert the heathens? |
| 08:31:32 | lurgyman | that, and it distracts the american public from thinking about how godawful bush's domestic policy is |
| 08:32:07 | lurgyman | and the american media is encouraging the war |
| 08:32:11 | lurgyman | gives them something to report on |
| 08:32:14 | Widget | Ss Mrs Däubler-Gmelin pointed out. |
| 08:32:17 | Widget | As. |
| 08:32:22 | lurgyman | and americans will believe anything, so long as it's said on tv |
| 08:32:34 | lurgyman | ?? |
| 08:32:45 | Widget | And look what happened to her! |
| 08:33:09 | Widget | Ooh, the CIA World Factbook 2002 is out. |
| 08:33:22 | lurgyman | the united states only joined the second world war because of a sociology project |
| 08:33:50 | lurgyman | FDR took one look at it, and decided that all-out war for 4 years would be much more fulfilling |
| 08:34:11 | lurgyman | never mind that whole pearl harbor nonsense |
| 08:34:31 | lurgyman | i mean, violent canada is constantly invading north dakota, but do we care? |
| 08:34:33 | lurgyman | no |
| 08:34:45 | Widget | Ew.... the new World Factbook looks horrible. |
| 08:34:57 | lurgyman | yes it does |
| 08:35:10 | prodan | does canada exist (i must check if we have banks accounts from a place call canada) |
| 08:35:24 | prodan | aha |
| 08:35:30 | lurgyman | let's not go there; it's a silly place |
| 08:35:39 | prodan | nr.21342342342423423423 -> bzgirl |
| 08:35:45 | Widget | !? |
| 08:35:52 | Widget | O Canada. |
| 08:35:52 | prodan | (she canadian) |
| 08:36:18 | lurgyman | it's only a model |
| 08:36:28 | lurgyman | (she most certainly is) |
| 08:36:46 | prodan | economic theoreticians like models |
| 08:36:46 | Widget | Is Alberta really going to secede? |
| 08:37:01 | lurgyman | right after the northern territories |
| 08:37:14 | lurgyman | the polar bears are sick of being underrepresented |
| 08:37:32 | lurgyman | they've got to outnumber the humans, that far north |
| 08:37:39 | lurgyman | i think they could pull it off |
| 08:37:56 | lurgyman | only then, bush would invade because the polar bears are really terrorists |
| 08:38:16 | lurgyman | and then the map of north america would make even less sense than it does now |
| 08:38:27 | lurgyman | because canada wouldn't want those territories back |
| 08:38:28 | Widget | Hm... on the BBC front page: "Serbia fails to elect president". |
| 08:38:36 | lurgyman | low voter turnout |
| 08:38:54 | lurgyman | 45.5%-ish |
| 08:38:59 | lurgyman | even lower than U.S. turnout |
| 08:39:04 | lurgyman | pretty sad |
| 08:39:37 | prodan | in ch we never have more turnout than 40% |
| 08:39:48 | lurgyman | really? |
| 08:40:08 | Widget | Only in national elections though? |
| 08:40:14 | lurgyman | is that because the female 50% is still unused to the priviledge of getting to vote? |
| 08:40:25 | lurgyman | (given that they've only had that privilege for 10-20 years) |
| 08:40:41 | lurgyman | (depending on canton, of course) |
| 08:40:43 | captain_proton | switzerland is so progressive |
| 08:40:55 | prodan | voting hasent changed statistically after women got to vote |
| 08:40:55 | lurgyman | almost as much as the U.S. |
| 08:41:02 | lurgyman | interesting |
| 08:41:28 | prodan | which proves that men voted what their women told them too anyway ;-) |
| 08:42:03 | lurgyman | and that they don't even want to have anything to do with what's outside their house, never mind the rest of the country and certainly not the rest of the world |
| 08:42:52 | lurgyman | the US and CH should form an isolationist club |
| 08:42:53 | Widget | lurgyman has been added to the blacklist of people who will never be allowed to eat Swiss Chocolate again. |
| 08:43:12 | lurgyman | although the US can only be part of that club at certain times |
| 08:43:30 | lurgyman | i.e., not when the president is getting low internal affairs poll returns |
| 08:43:41 | captain_proton | swiss chocolate is overrated |
| 08:43:49 | prodan | actually: have you ever checked trade size relative to population before calling countries isolationist |
| 08:44:38 | lurgyman | i dunno... i think you have to export more than just cheese, chocolate and cuckoo clocks before you get counted as outgoing :) |
| 08:45:03 | lurgyman | and highly esteemed electronics/motors and whatnot |
| 08:45:17 | lurgyman | (but i can't list those since they aren't so stereotype suisse)\ |
| 08:45:29 | Widget | Astérix chez les Helvètes was the best. |
| 08:46:07 | lurgyman | why can't the american nestl factories be as highly esteemed as the swiss ones? |
| 08:46:19 | lurgyman | i.e., making decent chocolate? |
| 08:46:35 | bomber_ | LUCKY LOTTO: Man wins lottery twice in four months using same numbers....hmmm is it possible ? |
| 08:46:38 | Widget | Is Ken Kesey still alive? |
| 08:46:51 | lurgyman | no, but Dick Cheney is |
| 08:46:54 | lurgyman | last i checked |
| 08:46:59 | Widget | Are you sure he's not alive? |
| 08:47:00 | lurgyman | proton: sleep time |
| 08:47:06 | lurgyman | no |
| 08:48:15 | Widget | My God, he's still alive? |
| 08:48:22 | lurgyman | perhaps |
| 08:48:24 | lurgyman | it depends |
| 08:48:33 | Widget | And I thought all the books we read in class were written by white dead males. |
| 08:48:49 | lurgyman | i saw him yesterday |
| 08:48:57 | lurgyman | erhem |
| 08:49:27 | lurgyman | here in sunny, parched, drought-ridden colorado |
| 08:49:33 | lurgyman | right next to new guinea |
| 08:49:54 | lurgyman | did i mention insane-raccoon-ridden? |
| 08:50:46 | bomber_ | http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/europe/10/11/offbeat.winning.lotto.twice.ap/index.html |
| 08:51:42 | Widget | CNN is an evil liberal site. |
| 08:52:03 | lurgyman | yes, with their 'news' and 'events' |
| 08:52:17 | lurgyman | and 'weather' |
| 08:52:32 | lurgyman | but no raccoons |
| 08:52:48 | lurgyman | panic while you still can!!!! |
| 09:00:40 | Widget | Eighty years ago, I believe it was... |
| 09:02:21 | prodan | btw chocolate: there are typically two version of swiss choc: local and export. The export version tastes shit because its been fiddled with such that it doenst melt in insanely hot areas (>15deg celsius) |
| 09:09:27 | Widget | Or melt in the British rain? |
| 09:12:39 | prodan | well the brits dont have any culinary culture anyway (taste cadbury chocs) |
| 09:13:08 | prodan | or peppermint flavoured roast beef chocolate |
| 09:16:19 | bomber_ | hello Pinguin |
| 09:16:32 | Pinguin | hi |
| 09:52:27 | prodan | is back. |
| 09:53:33 | prodan | sets doug's alarm clock to 4:40 AM. |
| 10:19:48 | bomber_ | is away: lunch .... |
| 10:21:49 | prodan | replaces Pinguin's schottky diodes with Schockley diodes. |
| 10:48:07 | bomber_ | is back |
| 11:32:19 | Chestal | someone here usign yahoo messenger? |
| 12:19:02 | bzdougg | me |
| 12:24:35 | Pinguin | explaines: Walter Schottky: reduction in the work function due to distortion of the potential barrier |
| 12:24:54 | Pinguin | explaines more: William Shockley, Walter Brattain, John Bardeen ... inventors of the transistor ... |
| 12:25:24 | Pinguin | explaines even more: Schockley has a diode equation! |
| 12:25:40 | bzdougg | my grandfather worked at bell labs |
| 12:25:44 | Pinguin | really? |
| 12:25:50 | bzdougg | yup |
| 12:26:01 | Pinguin | but he is not one of them? |
| 12:26:07 | bzdougg | now he works at Harris semiconducter |
| 12:26:08 | bzdougg | no |
| 12:26:31 | bzdougg | I tyhink it was after they made that transiter |
| 12:26:55 | Pinguin | the transitor was 48 ... or so .. |
| 12:27:12 | bzdougg | hmm |
| 12:27:20 | Pinguin | earlier? |
| 12:27:21 | bzdougg | yea, my grandfather was after that |
| 12:27:31 | bzdougg | he was born in the 30s |
| 12:27:32 | bzdougg | :) |
| 12:27:38 | Pinguin | oha ... |
| 12:27:57 | Pinguin | maybe as a lab student ... |
| 12:28:22 | bzdougg | hmm |
| 12:28:22 | bzdougg | no |
| 12:28:27 | bzdougg | he was an inventor |
| 12:28:49 | Pinguin | what did he invent? |
| 12:28:51 | bzdougg | but it was after the transitor.. |
| 12:28:54 | bzdougg | hmm |
| 12:28:55 | bzdougg | dunno |
| 12:29:00 | bzdougg | lots of things |
| 12:29:24 | bzdougg | he invents miliatary stuff and space stuff at harris now... |
| 12:30:16 | Pinguin | military and space ... probably extremly confidential stuff .. |
| 12:30:21 | bzdougg | yup |
| 12:30:48 | Pinguin | we have some cooperation with ESA ... but not much insight into their work ... |
| 12:30:58 | bzdougg | glares at everyone in the room, making sure theres no spys |
| 12:31:03 | bzdougg | hmm |
| 12:31:05 | bzdougg | cool |
| 12:31:09 | Pinguin | NO |
| 12:31:20 | Pinguin | We make for them SCHOTTKY DIODES!!! GRR |
| 12:31:54 | bzdougg | lol |
| 12:32:54 | Pinguin | We need months to get some diodes out of lab and they shoot them into space ... |
| 12:33:17 | bzdougg | hah |
| 12:33:24 | bzdougg | where do you work? |
| 12:33:45 | Pinguin | TU Darmstadt |
| 12:33:52 | bzdougg | geramny? |
| 12:34:17 | Pinguin | Yup |
| 12:34:41 | bzdougg | ooh |
| 12:34:43 | bzdougg | breakfast! |
| 12:34:53 | bzdougg | is away: breaking my fast |
| 12:37:16 | snyke | hmm |
| 12:37:19 | snyke | Pinguin? |
| 12:37:22 | snyke | hmm |
| 12:39:01 | Pinguin | Hm? |
| 12:39:46 | Pinguin | Hm |
| 12:59:33 | akira_ | tag leute |
| 13:10:48 | bomber_ | tag |
| 13:11:10 | bomber_ | Pinguin...i have some problems with my kernel |
| 13:18:34 | prodan | explains: A schottky diode is a fast switching diode with a low forward voltage drop. A shockley diode on the other hand, also known as a four layer diode, is a thyristor that switches once its breakover voltage is reached. |
| 13:20:19 | prodan | sits back with a smug smiles and twiddles his thumbs. |
| 13:20:25 | CLQ | waves to room |
| 13:20:29 | bzdougg | shrugs |
| 13:20:34 | bzdougg | I know what they are |
| 13:20:45 | bzdougg | crushes 2 in his hand |
| 13:20:45 | prodan | shrugs. |
| 13:20:53 | bzdougg | bwuahahahaha |
| 13:21:13 | prodan | offers doug a bandage for his bleeding hand. |
| 13:21:23 | bzdougg | has iron hands |
| 13:21:59 | prodan | puts a pound of Na into doug's hand and pours a guinness over it |
| 13:22:04 | bzdougg | lol |
| 13:22:44 | bzdougg | throws the pieces of diodes into prodan's eyes |
| 13:23:04 | prodan | wears glasses (like any good geek). |
| 13:23:22 | bzdougg | yanks off prodan's glasses and tried again |
| 13:23:45 | bzdougg | shrugs and goes off to shcool |
| 13:25:17 | bzdougg | hello, I would like an argument please |
| 13:25:27 | prodan | 10 pounds the hour |
| 13:25:34 | prodan | (sterling) |
| 13:26:11 | prodan | err sorry lets start again |
| 13:26:23 | prodan | bzdoug: hello, I would like an argument please |
| 13:26:30 | prodan | Certainly, sir, have you been here before...? |
| 13:27:10 | prodan | waits for bzdoug to google for monty python's The Argument Clinic |
| 13:28:00 | prodan | refers doug to http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/sn-python.html |
| 13:29:09 | prodan | twiddles his thumbs (bored). |
| 14:09:26 | dougschool | chops prodan's thumbs off |
| 14:11:29 | dougschool | prodan: dont you have any, um, you know, like, work? |
| 14:11:59 | Pinguin | bomber? |
| 14:12:20 | dougschool | he left |
| 14:12:28 | Pinguin | ups |
| 14:14:05 | Pinguin | wants to test prodan: What makes the schottky diodes so fast? |
| 14:14:31 | dougschool | oooh |
| 14:14:32 | dougschool | odd |
| 14:36:03 | prodan | owns up to not having the faintest clue concerning diodes. |
| 14:39:13 | Pinguin | But prodan knows about thyristor ... |
| 14:41:31 | dougschool | is there any light sensitive diodes? |
| 14:41:50 | dougschool | or better yet |
| 14:42:04 | dougschool | a light sensitive transitor? |
| 14:42:07 | Pinguin | all diodes are light sensitive ... just the package or geometry prevents fro beein sensitive ... |
| 14:42:07 | dougschool | I need one |
| 14:42:11 | dougschool | yea |
| 14:42:42 | dougschool | but I need a way or converting audio that is transmitted over light into a electrical current that I can amplify |
| 14:42:51 | bomber_ | everything is light sensitive...depend on energy and intensity :o) |
| 14:42:58 | dougschool | bomber_: :) |
| 14:43:22 | dougschool | aims a 10000000 mega watt laser at bomber_ |
| 14:43:38 | Pinguin | dough ... i saw once a nice circuit for that ... |
| 14:43:40 | bomber_ | has no problem with laser shield |
| 14:43:54 | Pinguin | makeing pulse width modulation from audio signal |
| 14:43:58 | dougschool | yea |
| 14:44:13 | dougschool | I have the audio2light |
| 14:44:17 | Pinguin | ??? |
| 14:44:18 | dougschool | I need light2audio |
| 14:44:30 | dougschool | I modulate a laser beam |
| 14:44:33 | Pinguin | what's this? |
| 14:44:35 | dougschool | with audio |
| 14:44:43 | Pinguin | intensity? |
| 14:44:45 | bomber_ | what for laser |
| 14:45:02 | dougschool | then I have a photo diode that turns it back into audio |
| 14:45:09 | dougschool | the laser is a pointer type |
| 14:45:16 | dougschool | handhelp |
| 14:45:20 | dougschool | held* |
| 14:45:20 | Pinguin | what do you modulate? |
| 14:45:25 | bomber_ | semiconductor |
| 14:45:39 | dougschool | yea... |
| 14:45:44 | dougschool | a laser dioed |
| 14:45:47 | dougschool | diode |
| 14:45:57 | dougschool | ;) |
| 14:46:36 | bomber_ | i think..it means intensity..or? |
| 14:46:45 | dougschool | search for laser communicator on google |
| 14:46:48 | dougschool | yea |
| 14:47:20 | Pinguin | if you modulate the intensity you will have trouble on the receiver side with amplitude ... |
| 14:47:36 | dougschool | hmmm |
| 14:47:50 | dougschool | scitoys.com |
| 14:48:01 | dougschool | look for laser stuff |
| 14:48:17 | dougschool | teacher is complaining I am typing too much |
| 14:49:01 | bomber_ | what for trouble pinguin |
| 14:49:15 | bomber_ | its digital or not ? |
| 14:50:11 | dougschool | analog |
| 14:50:42 | bomber_ | hmmm.... |
| 14:51:02 | Pinguin | the amplitude of the signal will depend on the sound level and !!! distance |
| 14:51:03 | dougschool | http://scitoys.com/scitoys/scitoys/light/light.html#laser_communicator |
| 14:51:03 | bomber_ | is more complicated |
| 14:51:12 | Pinguin | brb |
| 14:51:30 | dougschool | you read and tell me what is uses |
| 14:52:13 | bomber_ | For the receiver you will need: |
| 14:52:13 | bomber_ | 1.A small solar cell (such as Radio Shack #276-124). You |
| 14:52:13 | bomber_ | may have to solder your own wires to it if it doesn't come |
| 14:52:13 | bomber_ | with wires attached. |
| 14:52:13 | bomber_ | 2.A microphone jack that will fit the phono input of your |
| 14:52:14 | bomber_ | stereo (Radio Shack #42-2434 or ##42-2457). Instead of a |
| 14:52:16 | bomber_ | stereo, you can use the small amplifiers that Radio Shack |
| 14:52:18 | bomber_ | sells (#277-1008). |
| 14:52:43 | dougschool | yea |
| 14:52:49 | dougschool | I used a phototransistor |
| 14:52:52 | dougschool | er |
| 14:52:57 | dougschool | photocell |
| 14:53:40 | dougschool | I need a phototransitor |
| 14:55:34 | bomber_ | A cheaper, sturdier alternative is to use a cadmium sulphide |
| 14:55:35 | bomber_ | photoresistor instead of the silicon photocell. |
| 14:55:35 | bomber_ | A cadmium sulphide photoresistor is shown below (magnified |
| 14:55:35 | bomber_ | many times). It does not produce electricity from light the way |
| 14:55:35 | bomber_ | the solar cell did. Instead, the light that falls on it changes its |
| 14:55:35 | bomber_ | resistance to electricity. |
| 14:55:37 | bomber_ | If we connect a battery and a photoresistor together, they can act |
| 14:55:40 | bomber_ | like the solar cell. As the intensity of the light changes, the |
| 14:55:41 | bomber_ | amount of electricity output changes in response. |
| 14:56:16 | dougschool | I used a photoresitor then |
| 14:56:17 | dougschool | :) |
| 15:00:15 | prodan | suggests using a Hausdorff metric |
| 15:00:21 | dougschool | :P |
| 15:02:23 | bomber_ | is leaving |
| 15:02:25 | bomber_ | bye |
| 15:02:37 | dougschool | cya |
| 15:11:58 | Pinga | hohoho |
| 15:12:10 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 15:12:10 | Pinga | ibot ducati |
| 15:20:56 | prodan | who is Pinga (penguins) at ducati? |
| 15:27:15 | | pingu is nothing but an impure ooze of hugger-muggered fish heads. |
| 15:27:15 | prodan | ibot insult pingu |
| 15:44:17 | dougschool | hmm |
| 15:51:39 | bh | hey everyone |
| 15:57:57 | Pinguin | back from phone ... |
| 15:58:20 | Pinguin | Pinga is TeA ... or was TeA |
| 15:58:27 | dougschool | hes gone |
| 15:58:28 | dougschool | :) |
| 15:59:12 | Pinguin | dough ... i looked over the site ... should work, but i think solar cell or photoresistor could (?) be slow! |
| 15:59:49 | dougschool | yea |
| 16:00:03 | dougschool | thats why I need a phototransitor or something |
| 16:00:17 | dougschool | the resitor makes it muffuld |
| 16:00:33 | Pinguin | take ANY diode and break the package ... |
| 16:00:45 | dougschool | oh? |
| 16:00:57 | Pinguin | i thin the 1n4148 should be fast enough and the package is a joke .... |
| 16:01:11 | dougschool | k |
| 16:01:20 | Pinguin | the laser will laugh about the package ... |
| 16:01:28 | Pinguin | and grin through |
| 16:01:51 | dougschool | lol |
| 16:02:00 | Pinguin | hm ... i should have some 1n4148 around ... i will test it ... |
| 16:02:40 | dougschool | is it a standard diode? |
| 16:03:02 | Pinguin | yep THE standart diode ... |
| 16:03:32 | dougschool | lol |
| 16:03:42 | dougschool | I have a few |
| 16:03:47 | Pinguin | brb ... searching for a osciloscope ... |
| 16:03:57 | Pinguin | and a laser pointer ... |
| 16:04:00 | dougschool | lol |
| 16:04:41 | Pinguin | found a laser pointer ... iam away for 5 min... |
| 16:04:58 | dougschool | lol |
| 16:04:59 | dougschool | o |
| 16:05:01 | dougschool | ok |
| 16:08:54 | Pinguin | ok ... it works ... |
| 16:09:03 | dougschool | yea? |
| 16:09:19 | Pinguin | i got between 5mV to 10mV response ... without biasing the diode!!! |
| 16:09:20 | dougschool | how did you remove the pakage? |
| 16:09:23 | Pinguin | no ... |
| 16:09:29 | dougschool | cool! |
| 16:09:35 | Pinguin | the laserpoiter grined through the package ... |
| 16:09:41 | dougschool | hah!! |
| 16:09:48 | Pinguin | it is a clear plastic package ... |
| 16:09:51 | dougschool | cool, I need to try that out |
| 16:09:54 | dougschool | oooh |
| 16:09:55 | dougschool | hmm |
| 16:10:18 | Pinguin | with some colorisation (probably to get rid of external light ...) |
| 16:10:27 | dougschool | yea... |
| 16:10:34 | dougschool | hmmm |
| 16:10:41 | dougschool | my diodes are grey colored |
| 16:10:42 | Pinguin | 5mV sounds like you have to use the micro input ... |
| 16:10:47 | dougschool | not clear.. |
| 16:10:51 | dougschool | hmm, k |
| 16:11:30 | dougschool | cool |
| 16:11:35 | Pinguin | the diode produces some DC level when illuminated ... most input should be able to handel this ... |
| 16:11:56 | dougschool | k, I have a microphone input on my amp... that work? |
| 16:12:13 | Pinguin | i guess so ... please tell me if you have success ... |
| 16:12:19 | dougschool | sure |
| 16:12:20 | dougschool | :) |
| 16:12:37 | dougschool | I need to find seom clear diodes |
| 16:12:40 | dougschool | :) |
| 16:12:52 | Pinguin | brb |
| 16:15:47 | dougschool | I bet radio shack has em |
| 16:37:16 | dougschool | ah |
| 16:38:00 | dougschool | found some diodes on some old circut boards.. |
| 16:38:08 | dougschool | I will take them off and try them... |
| 16:38:19 | dougschool | problem is they are pink |
| 16:38:20 | dougschool | :) |
| 16:46:43 | m0nkey_b0y | mornin |
| 16:47:20 | Chestal | hi mb |
| 16:47:40 | m0nkey_b0y | hey chestal |
| 16:47:59 | m0nkey_b0y | how did your talk go? |
| 16:48:30 | Chestal | uhm, that was 12 days ago |
| 16:48:36 | Chestal | but it went quite well |
| 16:48:51 | m0nkey_b0y | heh..12? seemed like last week. |
| 16:48:55 | Chestal | but I had to listento talks all aftrnoon, now I'm tired |
| 16:49:15 | Chestal | last one finished me, was by a mathematician |
| 16:49:18 | m0nkey_b0y | time flies for monkeys i guess |
| 16:49:37 | dougschool | Chestal: I use yahoo IM |
| 16:49:38 | m0nkey_b0y | math is fun |
| 16:50:23 | Chestal | but I did not really know what he was talking about, I coudl guess some things... |
| 16:50:42 | Chestal | I'd just like to, if my messenger works with yahoo now |
| 16:50:50 | Chestal | my id is Chesthal (sic!) |
| 16:51:06 | dougschool | ah |
| 16:51:18 | dougschool | mine is tadheckaman |
| 16:51:25 | dougschool | I added chestal to mine ;) |
| 16:51:33 | dougschool | should of known it was chesthal |
| 16:51:39 | dougschool | :P |
| 16:52:06 | dougschool | I also have AOL/MSN/ICQ |
| 16:52:08 | dougschool | :) |
| 16:52:23 | m0nkey_b0y | you have it all doug |
| 16:52:31 | dougschool | hah |
| 16:52:32 | dougschool | and IRC |
| 16:52:33 | dougschool | :P |
| 16:52:41 | dougschool | all in one single client |
| 16:52:48 | dougschool | and it works in linux using wine |
| 16:52:55 | dougschool | :)) |
| 16:52:55 | Chestal | dough: got my message? |
| 16:52:58 | dougschool | no |
| 16:53:03 | dougschool | I am not at my puter right now |
| 16:53:12 | dougschool | I will respond when I get back |
| 16:53:18 | dougschool | <<<< |
| 16:53:22 | prodan | wonders whether doug has finally read RD and BTL. |
| 16:53:24 | Chestal | k |
| 16:53:37 | dougschool | prodan: NO I CANT FIND THE BOOK ANYWHERE! |
| 16:53:39 | dougschool | ;) |
| 16:53:55 | dougschool | prodan: if you have a ebook, I would read it... |
| 16:54:01 | prodan | doug: its in my office |
| 16:54:24 | dougschool | the book is? |
| 16:54:24 | dougschool | ;) |
| 16:54:29 | prodan | yep |
| 16:55:13 | dougschool | scan it in!!! |
| 16:55:15 | dougschool | LOL |
| 16:56:00 | prodan | question how do a make and exact copy of a vfat floppy under linux (a la msdos diskcopy)? |
| 16:56:14 | prodan | question: how do I make an exact copy of a vfat floppy under linux (a la msdos diskcopy)? |
| 16:56:22 | prodan | blushes |
| 16:56:53 | | dougschool: what? |
| 16:56:53 | dougschool | ibot I dunno |
| 16:56:57 | dougschool | erk |
| 16:57:01 | dougschool | prodan: I dont know |
| 16:57:10 | dougschool | use a dos box |
| 16:57:21 | dougschool | or burn it to a cd |
| 16:57:22 | dougschool | :) |
| 16:57:28 | dougschool | or dvd if its too big |
| 16:57:38 | dougschool | and beam it over to me on a laser beam |
| 16:57:43 | m0nkey_b0y | fdisk floppy eh? |
| 16:58:13 | dougschool | lol |
| 16:58:33 | dougschool | haaaaaaaa prodan misspelled something1!!! |
| 16:59:22 | prodan | changes the powerpc in doug's powerbook into a Zilog Z80. |
| 16:59:36 | dougschool | prodan: what powerbook? |
| 17:00:22 | dougschool | prodan: teacher make this: http://scitoys.com/scitoys/scitoys/light/light.html#laser_communicator |
| 17:00:26 | dougschool | prodan: :P |
| 17:01:07 | prodan | im not a teacher, im an assoc prof |
| 17:01:12 | dougschool | ahhh |
| 17:01:15 | prodan | ;-P |
| 17:01:25 | dougschool | prodan: professer make this: http://scitoys.com/scitoys/scitoys/light/light.html#laser_communicator |
| 17:01:38 | dougschool | I made it |
| 17:01:43 | dougschool | its very neat |
| 17:01:58 | dougschool | all I need is a 33 mega watt laser to swap it out with... |
| 17:02:03 | dougschool | muahahaha |
| 17:02:26 | dougschool | waves his laser around burning birds out the sky |
| 17:02:29 | prodan | orders slave to make laser comm. |
| 17:02:48 | dougschool | slave eh? |
| 17:02:50 | dougschool | lol |
| 17:02:53 | dougschool | needs one |
| 17:03:05 | dougschool | relieses he himself is a slave |
| 17:03:06 | dougschool | :) |
| 17:03:51 | prodan | notices that poorly paid german assoc profs dont own slaves. Depressed, he wanders off. |
| 17:03:56 | bzgirl | hello |
| 17:03:59 | dougschool | haha |
| 17:04:27 | prodan | hi bzgirl |
| 17:04:28 | | ACTION shoots bzbot |
| 17:04:28 | dougschool | ibot kill bzbot |
| 17:04:45 | dougschool | slick |
| 17:04:53 | | prodan: i'm not following you... |
| 17:04:54 | prodan | ibot kill dougschool |
| 17:05:09 | prodan | doh |
| 17:05:19 | m0nkey_b0y | hi bzgirl |
| 17:05:26 | bzgirl | hey mb |
| 17:05:36 | dougschool | hi bzgirl |
| 17:05:40 | dougschool | shrugs |
| 17:05:44 | dougschool | snickers |
| 17:05:45 | dougschool | ducks |
| 17:05:53 | dougschool | chuckles |
| 17:06:10 | bzgirl | you guys know anything about video cards? |
| 17:06:11 | prodan | waves and warns everybody he'll be back in 2 hours. |
| 17:06:17 | dougschool | cya! |
| 17:06:19 | dougschool | bzgirl: I do |
| 17:06:24 | bzgirl | i have small problem.. |
| 17:06:26 | dougschool | bzgirl: I know everything |
| 17:06:31 | bzgirl | hehe |
| 17:06:32 | dougschool | snickers |
| 17:06:37 | bzgirl | ok... |
| 17:06:41 | dougschool | ok... |
| 17:07:09 | dougschool | neat problem... let me get back to you on it... :P |
| 17:07:16 | bzgirl | on my desktop, card is geforce 2 32mb 866mhz cppu and 512 ram.. |
| 17:07:26 | dougschool | ok |
| 17:07:27 | bzgirl | bz runs great.. |
| 17:07:32 | bzgirl | on my note book.. |
| 17:07:32 | dougschool | yea it should |
| 17:07:59 | bzgirl | card is geforce4 64mb 2.0cpu and 256 ram |
| 17:08:11 | bzgirl | bz runs slow and choppy.. |
| 17:08:29 | bzgirl | like frame rate is 40 one second and 110 the next |
| 17:08:46 | bzgirl | on my desktop fr is always 130+ |
| 17:09:40 | bzgirl | same version of bz...e6 |
| 17:09:51 | dougschool | ok |
| 17:09:56 | dougschool | hmm |
| 17:10:04 | dougschool | thinks |
| 17:10:05 | dougschool | ummm |
| 17:10:12 | m0nkey_b0y | difereence between plasma monitor and electron gun monitor |
| 17:10:17 | m0nkey_b0y | eh eh? |
| 17:10:19 | dougschool | are you running at 32 bits? |
| 17:10:20 | bzgirl | only diff is i compiled the desktop one and apt-got the laptop one |
| 17:10:34 | bzgirl | no 16 bit |
| 17:10:34 | dougschool | bzgirl: ICK! you use debian? |
| 17:10:35 | dougschool | :P |
| 17:10:47 | bzgirl | yeah i do..:) |
| 17:10:50 | dougschool | bzgirl: can you try 32 bit? some games run better at 32 bit |
| 17:10:56 | dougschool | hmm |
| 17:11:08 | dougschool | lemme see... ummm |
| 17:11:12 | dougschool | I dont know... |
| 17:11:24 | bzgirl | ok.. i will try running it at 32 bit, have to reconfigure x to do that? |
| 17:11:28 | dougschool | sounds like a) driver b) debian broke something on apt-get |
| 17:11:37 | bzgirl | is it cos of less ram? |
| 17:11:48 | dougschool | bzgirl: dont think so, ask someone about linux... |
| 17:12:02 | dougschool | bzgirl: nooo, I have a 256 meg geforce computer... |
| 17:12:07 | dougschool | geforce 2 |
| 17:12:11 | dougschool | and it runs fine |
| 17:12:18 | dougschool | around 50 FPS |
| 17:12:27 | bzgirl | m0nkey_b0y: what you get on your new pc? frame rate? |
| 17:12:46 | m0nkey_b0y | i get framed |
| 17:12:50 | bzgirl | :) |
| 17:12:55 | m0nkey_b0y | over 100 usually |
| 17:12:58 | dougschool | its a 2.4 ghz athlon xp 1700+ with geforce 2 mx 400 64 megs of ram and 256 megs of system ram |
| 17:13:02 | m0nkey_b0y | depends on maps |
| 17:13:07 | dougschool | m0nkey_b0y: yea |
| 17:13:20 | dougschool | in p2501 I get 100 sometimes... |
| 17:13:25 | dougschool | on a empty map... :P |
| 17:13:35 | dougschool | my new puter is wonderfull... |
| 17:13:43 | dougschool | much better than a 333 celly |
| 17:13:45 | dougschool | :) |
| 17:14:09 | dougschool | also bzflag ran find on 333 mhz puter too |
| 17:14:16 | dougschool | find/find |
| 17:14:19 | dougschool | erk |
| 17:14:22 | dougschool | find/fine |
| 17:14:27 | dougschool | same vid card |
| 17:14:29 | dougschool | hmm |
| 17:14:32 | dougschool | dunno |
| 17:14:51 | dougschool | bzgirl: I dont know anything about debian and laptops and grafics cards |
| 17:15:04 | dougschool | all I do is install and type make install |
| 17:15:05 | dougschool | :P |
| 17:15:07 | m0nkey_b0y | bzgirl what version of bz? |
| 17:15:07 | bzgirl | well, i dont either really :) |
| 17:15:19 | dougschool | hehe |
| 17:15:24 | dougschool | use... |
| 17:15:26 | dougschool | WINDOWS!!! |
| 17:15:26 | bzgirl | 1.7e6 |
| 17:15:32 | dougschool | windows XP is wonderfull... |
| 17:15:39 | m0nkey_b0y | i have the "moles" patch..you might consider using it. |
| 17:15:39 | dougschool | ducks and hides behind the desk |
| 17:15:42 | bzgirl | on winxp i cant get it to run at all |
| 17:15:46 | dougschool | m0nkey_b0y: me too |
| 17:15:54 | dougschool | bzgirl: odd |
| 17:16:12 | dougschool | bzgirl: sounds like somethings wrong... |
| 17:16:23 | bzgirl | i already had the video card replaced...and the system checked.. |
| 17:16:24 | dougschool | winxp wont run bzflag? |
| 17:16:29 | dougschool | hmm |
| 17:16:39 | bzgirl | no, cos i dont know howw to install the drivers in xp |
| 17:16:48 | dougschool | xp has drivers included |
| 17:16:53 | bzgirl | and i dont really care to learn :) |
| 17:16:59 | bzgirl | as i never use it.. |
| 17:17:02 | bzgirl | but.. |
| 17:17:05 | dougschool | but incase it dont, goto nvidia and download the detinator drivers |
| 17:17:11 | dougschool | ah |
| 17:17:18 | bzgirl | i tried that.. |
| 17:17:22 | dougschool | its easy... double click and go |
| 17:17:24 | dougschool | hmm |
| 17:17:28 | bzgirl | i downloaded 30.soemthing |
| 17:17:35 | bzgirl | and ran the .exe |
| 17:17:36 | dougschool | get 40.74 or whatever... |
| 17:17:44 | dougschool | thats the latest |
| 17:17:44 | bzgirl | oh yeah? |
| 17:17:48 | dougschool | but this is odd |
| 17:18:03 | dougschool | I mean, it should run OK on your lapyop |
| 17:18:11 | dougschool | its faster than my desktop... |
| 17:18:21 | bzgirl | yeah |
| 17:18:21 | dougschool | maybe its a hardware problem... |
| 17:18:33 | dougschool | but install the latest drviers.... |
| 17:18:34 | dougschool | oooh |
| 17:18:49 | dougschool | wait, this is a laptop... it dont use the reg drivers... |
| 17:19:00 | bzgirl | it dosent?? |
| 17:19:04 | dougschool | you need to find the drivers that came with the laptop |
| 17:19:05 | dougschool | yea |
| 17:19:18 | dougschool | its a geforce4mobility I think |
| 17:19:22 | dougschool | its diferent |
| 17:19:26 | dougschool | slighty |
| 17:19:29 | bzgirl | oh thats why then |
| 17:19:33 | dougschool | yea! |
| 17:19:41 | bzgirl | hmm.. |
| 17:19:43 | dougschool | so find your cd or goto dells webdite |
| 17:19:46 | dougschool | k |
| 17:19:49 | dougschool | I have to go eat lunch |
| 17:19:51 | bzgirl | ok thanks |
| 17:19:54 | dougschool | :) |
| 17:19:59 | dougschool | I DO know everthing... |
| 17:20:02 | dougschool | snickers |
| 17:20:09 | bzgirl | yeah yeah :) |
| 17:20:14 | dougschool | but I cant speel at al |
| 17:20:22 | dougschool | shrugs |
| 17:20:28 | dougschool | is away: lunch! |
| 17:21:45 | dougschool | oh yea, debian needs the correct drivers for the mobility chip too |
| 17:21:54 | dougschool | and I bet dell dont have linux drivers |
| 17:22:02 | dougschool | is really away: lunch |
| 17:22:17 | bzgirl | not at all..they said linux was the problem in the first place!! |
| 17:23:23 | Pinguin | Linux cant be the problem ... Linux is the solution! |
| 17:23:45 | bzgirl | yup :) |
| 17:23:52 | bzgirl | just dont tell dell that |
| 17:24:23 | Pinguin | Dell? |
| 17:24:31 | Pinguin | i have a latidute 600 ... |
| 17:24:31 | bzgirl | yes |
| 17:24:52 | Pinguin | difficulties? |
| 17:25:14 | bzgirl | it was shipped with a busted vid card. |
| 17:25:25 | bzgirl | and they said it was linux! |
| 17:25:39 | bzgirl | i finally got a new one installed though... |
| 17:25:56 | Pinguin | hm ... another guy here bought a latiwhatever 800 ... and the vid card made sparkles ... |
| 17:26:06 | bzgirl | same think! |
| 17:26:09 | bzgirl | thing |
| 17:26:20 | bzgirl | but its an inspiron 8200 |
| 17:26:21 | Pinguin | AHA ... but this weirdo had win2k ! |
| 17:26:33 | bzgirl | it did it in xp and in linux |
| 17:26:55 | Pinguin | well ... here they exchanged the complete laptop! |
| 17:28:02 | Pinguin | actually the replace first the vid card ... but some trouble remained ... so the exchanged the whole laptop ... |
| 17:28:15 | bzgirl | just the card for me they changed.. |
| 17:28:27 | Pinguin | does it work now? |
| 17:28:37 | bzgirl | yeah it seems too |
| 17:28:49 | Pinguin | no problems with X ? |
| 17:29:01 | bzgirl | ummm...not with x no.. |
| 17:29:14 | bzgirl | but i cant get a steaady frame rate in bzflag |
| 17:29:24 | bzgirl | so its kinda jerky to play.. |
| 17:29:35 | bzgirl | tuxracer runs finre though |
| 17:29:38 | bzgirl | :) |
| 17:30:07 | Pinguin | i guess you already played with the graphics options? |
| 17:30:20 | bzgirl | what option? |
| 17:30:25 | bzgirl | oh yes |
| 17:30:42 | bzgirl | i changed the res from 1280 down to 1024 |
| 17:30:57 | bzgirl | and fooled with all of that stuff |
| 17:31:06 | Pinguin | some time ago i had trouble with software as the hardrive worked ... |
| 17:31:28 | Pinguin | i had not used DMA for the harddisk so the sucked up a lot of CPU power .. |
| 17:31:40 | bzgirl | hmm...the drive is slow.. |
| 17:31:47 | bzgirl | 42000rpm i think? |
| 17:32:02 | bzgirl | how do i check dma? |
| 17:32:04 | Pinguin | hdparm -cd /dev/hda |
| 17:32:35 | Pinguin | 42000rpm ... does this laptop fly in space? |
| 17:33:03 | bzgirl | /dev/hda: |
| 17:33:03 | bzgirl | I/O support = 0 (default 16-bit) |
| 17:33:03 | bzgirl | using_dma = 1 (on) |
| 17:33:06 | Pinguin | oha ... |
| 17:33:15 | bzgirl | 4200 i meant :) |
| 17:34:06 | Pinguin | is there any indication that there are some processes runing ... |
| 17:34:24 | bzgirl | nothing major |
| 17:34:26 | Pinguin | for example the updated runs everytime you switch on the laptop ... |
| 17:34:35 | bzgirl | nah.. |
| 17:34:41 | bzgirl | i dont think so |
| 17:34:47 | bzgirl | i will check all that |
| 17:34:50 | Pinguin | this process wants to run every day! |
| 17:34:59 | Pinguin | standart process! |
| 17:35:07 | bzgirl | but thats a root s isnt it? |
| 17:35:13 | bzgirl | updatedb? |
| 17:35:41 | Pinguin | hm ... it has an entry in the crontabs ... but not the root's crontabs ... the systems ... in /etc/ ... |
| 17:35:47 | Pinguin | Yes |
| 17:36:06 | bzgirl | right..well i will check to make sure all that stuff isnt running |
| 17:39:46 | dougschool | ah, well, I think it needs drivers |
| 17:39:56 | dougschool | oh yea!!!! |
| 17:40:01 | dougschool | start bzflag |
| 17:40:10 | dougschool | and tell me what it says in the consol |
| 17:40:13 | dougschool | er |
| 17:40:35 | bzgirl | ok..one sec |
| 17:40:35 | dougschool | start bzflag like this: bzflag -echo then after it starts, quit |
| 17:40:46 | dougschool | then see what it said in the console |
| 17:40:58 | dougschool | it should say geforce4 something something soemthing |
| 17:41:08 | bzgirl | BZFlag version 1.7e6 |
| 17:41:08 | bzgirl | Copyright (c) 1993 - 2002 Tim Riker |
| 17:41:08 | bzgirl | Author: Chris Schoeneman <crs23@bigfoot.com> |
| 17:41:08 | bzgirl | Maintainer: Tim Riker <Tim@Rikers.org> |
| 17:41:08 | bzgirl | GeForce4 440 Go/AGP/SSE2 |
| 17:41:08 | bzgirl | loading fixedmr... |
| 17:41:10 | bzgirl | angelina@supergrass:~$ |
| 17:41:15 | bzgirl | it does |
| 17:41:30 | dougschool | hmmm |
| 17:42:38 | dougschool | beats the fire out of me |
| 17:42:54 | dougschool | install your laptop drivers... |
| 17:42:59 | dougschool | and try it again under XP |
| 17:43:05 | bzgirl | for xp? |
| 17:43:08 | bzgirl | yeah ok |
| 17:43:08 | dougschool | yea |
| 17:43:17 | Pinguin | now ... dont go over to the dark side dont use XP |
| 17:43:35 | dougschool | :P |
| 17:43:43 | bzgirl | well...just to test bzflag. |
| 17:43:48 | Pinguin | hm ... |
| 17:43:50 | bzgirl | nothing else :) |
| 17:43:56 | Pinguin | promise! |
| 17:44:04 | bzgirl | for sure :) |
| 17:44:07 | dougschool | I use darwin/XP/bsd/linux/2000/98/nt/mac os |
| 17:44:14 | dougschool | bzgirl: yea right |
| 17:44:44 | bzgirl | i dont mind xp i suppose, but i can do stuff eiser in linux |
| 17:44:46 | dougschool | bzgirl: :P |
| 17:44:52 | dougschool | yea |
| 17:44:56 | bzgirl | doug thats alot of OS's |
| 17:44:58 | dougschool | but XP is nice in other things |
| 17:45:01 | dougschool | like games |
| 17:45:06 | bzgirl | cant make up your mind? |
| 17:45:10 | dougschool | bzgirl: yup, darwin = nsd |
| 17:45:15 | dougschool | bsd even |
| 17:45:24 | dougschool | nah |
| 17:45:39 | dougschool | I have 3 macs, 4 pcs, and a couple if laptops |
| 17:45:44 | dougschool | if/of |
| 17:45:49 | bzgirl | holy smokkes |
| 17:45:54 | dougschool | whoop de do |
| 17:46:12 | Pinguin | how many of your comps use Linux? |
| 17:46:13 | dougschool | and they are all (exept 3 of them) old puters |
| 17:46:22 | dougschool | Pinguin: ummmmm |
| 17:46:40 | dougschool | Pinguin: none right now, unless you count the OS X system as linux/bsd |
| 17:46:42 | dougschool | :) |
| 17:46:46 | dougschool | but I use linux... |
| 17:46:50 | dougschool | dont worry |
| 17:46:50 | dougschool | :) |
| 17:47:32 | bzgirl | :) |
| 17:47:34 | dougschool | whoop do do da day |
| 17:47:39 | dougschool | no |
| 17:47:48 | | it has been said that bzgirl is the coolest around |
| 17:47:48 | bzgirl | ibot bzgirl? |
| 17:47:49 | dougschool | whoop de doo dah day |
| 17:47:54 | Pinguin | bill vs.linux: zero to ininite! |
| 17:48:03 | dougschool | Pinguin: hehe |
| 17:48:26 | dougschool | emails bill gates and linus to join at that time |
| 17:48:37 | | ACTION slaps m0nkey_b0y around |
| 17:48:37 | m0nkey_b0y | ibot m0nkey_b0y |
| 17:48:52 | bzgirl | poor mb |
| 17:48:55 | dougschool | haaaaa |
| 17:48:55 | bzgirl | :) |
| 17:48:58 | | ACTION slaps dougschool around |
| 17:48:58 | dougschool | ibot m0nkey_b0y |
| 17:49:01 | dougschool | ow |
| 17:49:14 | | Pinguin is playing with webcams |
| 17:49:14 | dougschool | ibot Pinguin |
| 17:49:33 | dougschool | uhhhhhhh |
| 17:49:36 | dougschool | what web cams? |
| 17:49:36 | dougschool | :P |
| 17:49:38 | dougschool | :) |
| 17:49:42 | dougschool | |) |
| 17:49:45 | Pinguin | i have a logitexh express ... |
| 17:49:47 | dougschool | :0) |
| 17:49:49 | dougschool | ah |
| 17:50:03 | dougschool | I have a intel USB microscope |
| 17:50:09 | Pinguin | ? |
| 17:50:31 | Pinguin | is this a webcam too? |
| 17:50:34 | dougschool | sorta |
| 17:50:45 | dougschool | webcam + lenses |
| 17:50:49 | Pinguin | sounds like lab equipment ... |
| 17:50:51 | m0nkey_b0y | how do i fix ibot? |
| 17:50:56 | dougschool | no |
| 17:51:19 | dougschool | Pinguin: it was sold in the US for 50 bucks |
| 17:51:22 | dougschool | m0nkey_b0y: you dont |
| 17:51:24 | dougschool | :) |
| 17:51:27 | | dougschool: I forgot m0nkey_b0y |
| 17:51:27 | dougschool | ibot forget m0nkey_b0y |
| 17:51:29 | Pinguin | 36 Euro ... |
| 17:51:34 | Pinguin | for the logitech |
| 17:51:41 | | OK, dougschool. |
| 17:51:41 | dougschool | ibot m0nkey_b0y is <action> #who is sooooooooooooooooooo dumb |
| 17:51:49 | bzgirl | :) |
| 17:51:50 | | ACTION #who is sooooooooooooooooooo dumb |
| 17:51:50 | dougschool | ibot m0nkey_b0y |
| 17:51:54 | dougschool | ick |
| 17:51:59 | | dougschool: I forgot m0nkey_b0y |
| 17:51:59 | dougschool | ibot forget m0nkey_b0y |
| 17:52:00 | | m0nkey_b0y, I didn't have anything matching 'm0nkey_b0y' |
| 17:52:00 | m0nkey_b0y | ibot forget m0nkey_b0y |
| 17:52:16 | | OK, dougschool. |
| 17:52:16 | dougschool | ibot m0nkey_b0y is <action> kills $who |
| 17:52:18 | m0nkey_b0y | don't start talking smack doug |
| 17:52:19 | | ACTION kills dougschool |
| 17:52:19 | dougschool | ibot m0nkey_b0y |
| 17:52:25 | dougschool | ick |
| 17:52:30 | dougschool | bad bad ibot |
| 17:52:38 | | ACTION farts. |
| 17:52:38 | dougschool | ibot beans? |
| 17:52:42 | dougschool | ick |
| 17:52:44 | bzgirl | lol |
| 17:52:49 | | ACTION burps loudly |
| 17:52:49 | dougschool | ibot burp |
| 17:52:55 | | ACTION sings loudly |
| 17:52:55 | dougschool | ibot sing |
| 17:53:04 | | pig is US Plus! |
| 17:53:04 | dougschool | ibot pig |
| 17:53:11 | | m0nkey_b0y is nothing but an industrial mass of fly-bitten cat bladders. |
| 17:53:11 | dougschool | ibot insult m0nkey_b0y |
| 17:53:15 | | dougschool: I forgot m0nkey_b0y |
| 17:53:15 | dougschool | ibot forget m0nkey_b0y |
| 17:53:30 | | OK, dougschool. |
| 17:53:30 | dougschool | ibot m0nkey_b0y is <reply> m0nkey_b0y is nothing but an industrial mass of fly-bitten cat bladders. |
| 17:53:34 | | m0nkey_b0y is nothing but an industrial mass of fly-bitten cat bladders. |
| 17:53:34 | dougschool | ibot m0nkey_b0y |
| 17:53:37 | dougschool | woo |
| 17:54:05 | | m0nkey_b0y: I forgot m0nkey_b0y |
| 17:54:05 | m0nkey_b0y | ibot forget m0nkey_b0y |
| 17:54:14 | | OK, dougschool. |
| 17:54:14 | dougschool | ibot m0nkey_b0y is <reply> m0nkey_b0y is nothing but an industrial mass of fly-bitten cat bladders. |
| 17:54:17 | dougschool | :) |
| 17:54:18 | m0nkey_b0y | dude...must i get someone to spank you? |
| 17:54:20 | | dougschool: I forgot m0nkey_b0y |
| 17:54:20 | dougschool | ibot forget m0nkey_b0y |
| 17:54:29 | dougschool | snickers |
| 17:54:49 | | dougschool: excuse me? |
| 17:54:49 | dougschool | ibot the quotient of 18 and 3 |
| 17:55:06 | | 9.99100359916013e+35 |
| 17:55:06 | dougschool | ibot 9999**9 |
| 17:55:12 | dougschool | yay its PatLabor221!!!!! |
| 17:55:23 | dougschool | greetings and salutations PatLabor221 |
| 17:55:48 | PatLabor221 | yes? |
| 17:56:09 | dougschool | :) |
| 17:56:27 | dougschool | guess what? |
| 17:56:57 | PatLabor221 | what? |
| 17:57:08 | dougschool | darn |
| 17:57:13 | dougschool | you guessed it |
| 17:57:34 | PatLabor221 | again with the lameness? |
| 17:57:53 | dougschool | no |
| 17:58:06 | dougschool | just being silly |
| 17:58:09 | dougschool | I will stop |
| 17:58:14 | dougschool | sighs |
| 18:03:02 | dougschool | so how is PatLabor221 today? |
| 18:04:24 | dougschool | I see |
| 18:04:26 | PatLabor221 | ? |
| 18:04:33 | PatLabor221 | guess |
| 18:05:00 | dougschool | hangover? |
| 18:05:03 | dougschool | hmm |
| 18:05:04 | PatLabor221 | naw |
| 18:05:05 | dougschool | check... |
| 18:05:24 | PatLabor221 | right now I search the anals of all our stored music for one specific peice. |
| 18:05:25 | dougschool | fine/good/well/on the floor |
| 18:05:33 | dougschool | lol |
| 18:05:36 | dougschool | I see |
| 18:06:48 | PatLabor221 | wow we have a lot of music |
| 18:08:00 | dougschool | how much? |
| 18:08:06 | dougschool | we? |
| 18:08:08 | dougschool | whos we? |
| 18:08:16 | PatLabor221 | I don't know exaclty |
| 18:08:25 | PatLabor221 | but It seems to be over 200 gigs |
| 18:08:29 | dougschool | wooooooo |
| 18:08:51 | dougschool | who has it? |
| 18:09:17 | PatLabor221 | it is comunal |
| 18:09:31 | PatLabor221 | we hae multiple dedicated media servers |
| 18:09:45 | dougschool | you could start your own radio station... |
| 18:09:47 | dougschool | ah |
| 18:10:00 | m0nkey_b0y | shoutcast :) |
| 18:10:06 | m0nkey_b0y | for bz playing |
| 18:10:10 | dougschool | lol |
| 18:10:15 | dougschool | you said it wrong |
| 18:10:21 | dougschool | its: SHOUTCAST |
| 18:10:40 | PatLabor221 | they are not on the public net |
| 18:10:47 | dougschool | yea... |
| 18:10:50 | PatLabor221 | and never will be if I have my say |
| 18:10:57 | dougschool | lol |
| 18:11:14 | dougschool | any classical music? |
| 18:11:22 | PatLabor221 | yes |
| 18:11:26 | dougschool | hmmm |
| 18:11:40 | dougschool | would it happen to have the 3 tenors on it somewhere? |
| 18:11:51 | PatLabor221 | ahhh there is the one I was looking for |
| 18:11:53 | PatLabor221 | let me see |
| 18:12:26 | PatLabor221 | no it's no in "happy calm music" |
| 18:12:36 | PatLabor221 | where the hell is the clasical folder |
| 18:12:52 | PatLabor221 | I don't know where it is |
| 18:12:58 | PatLabor221 | one of the servers went down |
| 18:13:05 | PatLabor221 | and I don't remember where the backup was |
| 18:13:13 | dougschool | I would love to have the 3 tenors cd... |
| 18:13:14 | dougschool | ah |
| 18:13:25 | PatLabor221 | kazza it |
| 18:13:29 | dougschool | k |
| 18:13:35 | dougschool | I dunno if its there.... |
| 18:14:13 | dougschool | why does kazaa allways say : need more sources |
| 18:14:28 | dougschool | its rare when I get something... |
| 18:15:07 | PatLabor221 | cus it found a refrence to it, but it coudn't get it from the person |
| 18:15:12 | dougschool | ah |
| 18:16:00 | dougschool | once I typed in star trek, and selected everything that popped up, only 3 downloaded |
| 18:16:11 | PatLabor221 | hapens some times |
| 18:16:21 | PatLabor221 | I often make multiple repeat searches |
| 18:16:38 | dougschool | ah |
| 18:16:52 | dougschool | needs kazza installed |
| 18:20:58 | Cell_prog_insect | are all keyboard keys within the 256 ASCII character set, so i make an array bool keyDown[256], and catch all the key down and key up messages? |
| 18:23:27 | Cell_prog_insect | i mean is there a ASCII code for thr shift r the control key? |
| 18:23:34 | Cell_prog_insect | r/or |
| 18:24:51 | PatLabor221 | there are #defines for them all in C |
| 18:25:09 | PatLabor221 | all the VKey stuff |
| 18:25:09 | PatLabor221 | like VK_LSHFIT |
| 18:25:11 | PatLabor221 | VK_HOME |
| 18:25:13 | PatLabor221 | and all those |
| 18:26:12 | Cell_prog_insect | but is Control key given a ASCII code? |
| 18:26:27 | PatLabor221 | yes they all have codes |
| 18:26:42 | PatLabor221 | VK_LSHIFT |
| 18:26:42 | PatLabor221 | VK_RSHIFT |
| 18:26:42 | PatLabor221 | VK_LCONTROL |
| 18:26:42 | PatLabor221 | VK_RCONTROL |
| 18:26:42 | PatLabor221 | VK_LMENU |
| 18:26:43 | PatLabor221 | VK_RMENU |
| 18:27:00 | PatLabor221 | GetKeyboardState is the function |
| 18:27:46 | Cell_prog_insect | hm, yes i know in win32 but i use c# |
| 18:29:03 | Cell_prog_insect | oh i found it its all in the Keys enum |
| 18:29:10 | Cell_prog_insect | type |
| 18:32:35 | Cell_prog_insect | can u swap to buffers without creating a new temporary one with complete buffer blits? |
| 18:34:48 | Cell_prog_insect | xor blit buf2 to buf1, xor blit buf1 to buf2, xor blit buf2 to buf1 should work |
| 18:36:51 | Cell_prog_insect | should be faster then allocating a temporary buffer each time |
| 18:44:12 | prodan | is back (waves). |
| 18:45:08 | dougschool | shrugs |
| 18:46:11 | prodan | feels mildly insulted. |
| 18:47:08 | prodan | deletes the ebook version of RD he wanted to give to doug. |
| 18:52:33 | dougschool | lol |
| 18:52:55 | dougschool | you have RD ebook? |
| 18:53:35 | prodan | if i had id have given you a copy long ago ;-) |
| 18:54:02 | dougschool | oh |
| 19:00:27 | molybdenum | always has to be NEXT monday... #-: |
| 19:02:05 | Cell_prog_insect | its getting quite complicated with hierarchie transformations |
| 19:02:05 | dougschool | lol |
| 19:02:21 | dougschool | :-# |
| 19:04:06 | prodan | how does one use irc at school? |
| 19:04:32 | Cell_prog_insect | i am overwhelmed by the complexity i got into |
| 19:05:27 | prodan | suggests mapping the problem into a lowerdimensional subspace. |
| 19:08:19 | Cell_prog_insect | hm, my editor is runnig quite bad even 3d studio is faster, i wonder if display lists will speed me up |
| 19:10:14 | dougschool | prodan: laptop |
| 19:10:56 | prodan | doug: during classes? |
| 19:11:03 | dougschool | prodan: sure |
| 19:11:55 | prodan | whats the teacher doing? (surfin for p8rn) |
| 19:12:05 | dougschool | nooooo |
| 19:12:09 | dougschool | teaching |
| 19:12:14 | Cell_prog_insect | i think i should make a break for one day |
| 19:12:26 | dougschool | (gee) |
| 19:12:47 | prodan | and instead of listening, everybody is playing UT |
| 19:13:01 | Cell_prog_insect | the infrustructer is damn demanding to implement |
| 19:14:03 | Cell_prog_insect | somehow my zoom selection does not get the whole bbox on screen but almost |
| 19:14:04 | dougschool | prodan: helps that school is 20 feet away from home |
| 19:14:33 | dougschool | wireless is wonderfull |
| 19:14:53 | Cell_prog_insect | hmm i need to clip in camera space, and not in device space, now i know why |
| 19:15:00 | prodan | doug: you have 80211b at home and teacher hasnt noticed? |
| 19:15:26 | dougschool | she noticed it |
| 19:15:45 | dougschool | but I have the only 80211b card |
| 19:15:46 | prodan | and? |
| 19:16:19 | dougschool | my mom is the teacher... |
| 19:16:21 | dougschool | :D |
| 19:16:42 | dougschool | lol |
| 19:16:52 | prodan | convenient (or maybe not) |
| 19:16:59 | dougschool | sometimes... |
| 19:17:28 | dougschool | sometimes not |
| 19:17:28 | Cell_prog_insect | the prob is if u clip polygons in device space u get polygons with negative z(behind the view frustum's front clipping plane) to appear mirrored into the positve z halfspace, due to projection matrix, and then u cannot distinguish those polygons from correct ones |
| 19:18:01 | dougschool | I say jump into warp 8 and try again |
| 19:18:21 | prodan | doug: what school is it? |
| 19:18:28 | dougschool | prodan: ummm |
| 19:18:31 | dougschool | prodan: :) |
| 19:18:48 | dougschool | prodan: homeschool :P LOL |
| 19:18:56 | dougschool | chuckles evily |
| 19:19:04 | prodan | doesn't want to seem nosy (but he is). |
| 19:19:14 | dougschool | haha |
| 19:19:24 | prodan | lol |
| 19:19:40 | dougschool | I have the best science class in the US |
| 19:19:59 | dougschool | robotics/electronics/programming/etc class too |
| 19:20:18 | prodan | of, define Hausdorff metric |
| 19:20:27 | dougschool | but all that is done in my spare time... |
| 19:20:32 | dougschool | lol |
| 19:20:38 | dougschool | prodan: dont ask me |
| 19:20:52 | prodan | s/of/ok/ |
| 19:21:04 | | dougschool: what? |
| 19:21:04 | dougschool | ibot Hausdorff metric |
| 19:21:05 | prodan | chuckles evily |
| 19:21:10 | dougschool | shrugs |
| 19:21:15 | dougschool | dats what google is for |
| 19:21:26 | prodan | oops |
| 19:21:27 | dougschool | chuckles evily |
| 19:21:44 | prodan | hmmm |
| 19:22:02 | prodan | doug,understand the def of Hausdorff metric |
| 19:22:15 | prodan | chuckles evily |
| 19:22:20 | dougschool | :P |
| 19:22:34 | dougschool | tell it to me, and I will (maybe) understand it |
| 19:22:56 | dougschool | oooh |
| 19:22:59 | dougschool | grammer class |
| 19:23:05 | prodan | well |
| 19:23:14 | prodan | the general problem: |
| 19:23:37 | prodan | takes sets of compact subsets of a metric space |
| 19:23:56 | prodan | and define a metric for such sets. |
| 19:23:58 | dougschool | oh? |
| 19:24:04 | dougschool | you dont say! |
| 19:24:06 | prodan | chuckles evily |
| 19:24:08 | dougschool | snickers |
| 19:24:35 | prodan | well whats the distance between 2 and 4 |
| 19:24:47 | dougschool | 3 |
| 19:24:54 | dougschool | er |
| 19:24:55 | dougschool | 2 |
| 19:25:07 | dougschool | + z = 32 |
| 19:25:07 | prodan | 2 in the euclidian metric |
| 19:25:18 | dougschool | yea |
| 19:25:21 | dougschool | :) |
| 19:25:28 | prodan | and whats the distance between (0,0) and (1,1) in the euclidian metric |
| 19:25:41 | prodan | ---> root (2) |
| 19:25:42 | dougschool | ummm |
| 19:25:49 | dougschool | k |
| 19:25:58 | dougschool | 1? |
| 19:26:03 | prodan | define a distance between two functions? |
| 19:26:14 | prodan | or two sets? |
| 19:26:37 | dougschool | is puzzled |
| 19:26:37 | prodan | you can define distance in spaces of functions |
| 19:27:04 | dougschool | why not feed it through a puter and get the aswer that way? |
| 19:27:04 | prodan | expand your ded of distance into abstract spaces |
| 19:27:06 | dougschool | ooh, cool |
| 19:27:10 | prodan | expand your def of distance into abstract spaces |
| 19:27:25 | dougschool | :) |
| 19:27:33 | prodan | then yu can talk about convergence |
| 19:27:41 | dougschool | eh? |
| 19:27:42 | prodan | points getting closer |
| 19:27:58 | dougschool | hopes he never learns this stuff |
| 19:28:01 | prodan | or functions getting closer (in a space of functions) |
| 19:28:20 | prodan | or sets getting closer (in spaces of sets) |
| 19:28:37 | dougschool | hmm |
| 19:28:44 | | dougschool: excuse me? |
| 19:28:44 | dougschool | ibot could learn this stuff too |
| 19:29:04 | prodan | realizes that economists suck in explaining maths. |
| 19:29:16 | dougschool | lol |
| 19:29:22 | prodan | (at least on irc) |
| 19:29:48 | dougschool | hah |
| 19:29:51 | | i guess jpablo is a subversive. or greasy or the master of the universe |
| 19:29:51 | dougschool | ibot jpablo |
| 19:30:05 | dougschool | uhhhhh |
| 19:31:49 | prodan | doug: take a grid on a square; make grid finer and finer; in what sense can you say the ever finer grid converges to the square (example) |
| 19:32:08 | dougschool | yea |
| 19:32:31 | dougschool | you want me to do that now? |
| 19:32:33 | prodan | smiles. |
| 19:32:36 | dougschool | or later? |
| 19:32:38 | dougschool | snickers |
| 19:33:26 | prodan | no it was an example to give you a feelin |
| 19:33:34 | dougschool | yea |
| 19:38:57 | | country .ch is switzerland |
| 19:38:57 | dougschool | ibot country .ch |
| 19:39:01 | dougschool | coool |
| 19:40:39 | dougschool | whoop whoop whoop |
| 19:42:52 | captain_proton | haha, an engineering formal |
| 19:43:21 | prodan | ??? |
| 19:44:24 | captain_proton | a formal dance for the engineering students |
| 19:44:47 | prodan | ++??? |
| 19:45:09 | dougschool | 8*? |
| 19:49:42 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 19:49:42 | prodan | ibot ducati |
| 19:50:18 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 19:50:18 | dougschool | ibot ducati |
| 19:50:22 | bzbottt | PzKpfw 4 Koenigstiger Ausf B (Red):-64 (28 wins, 92 losses). Ginku (Red):2 (72 wins, 70 losses). BeZee (Red):1 (2 wins, 1 losses). Micky (Green):41 (281 wins, 240 losses). FantaZee (Red):21 (72 wins, 51 losses). Zwei (Green):-1 (2 wins, 3 losses). Pinga (Green):12 (70 wins, 58 losses). |
| 19:50:29 | dougschool | :) |
| 19:50:48 | | OK, prodan. |
| 19:50:48 | prodan | ibot, the Hausdorff metric is a metric for compact subsets of a metric space. |
| 19:50:58 | | Hausdorff metric is a metric for compact subsets of a metric space. |
| 19:50:58 | prodan | ibot Hausdorff metric |
| 19:51:08 | prodan | welcome to the world |
| 19:51:27 | dougschool | lol |
| 19:54:45 | | dougschool: i haven't a clue |
| 19:54:45 | dougschool | ibot xchat? |
| 19:54:53 | | OK, dougschool. |
| 19:54:53 | dougschool | ibot xchat is for windows |
| 19:55:45 | | windows is probably a trap,...an evil pit of quicksand that conjures people away from being free. A small door to freedom can be found at http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/WindowsPPPHowto http://www.linux.org or http://www.linux.com |
| 19:55:45 | dougschool | ibot windows? |
| 19:55:56 | dougschool | hmm |
| 19:58:06 | PatLabor221 | the windows version of xchat blows |
| 19:58:17 | captain_proton | yup |
| 19:58:29 | dougschool | so? |
| 19:58:34 | PatLabor221 | use trillian |
| 19:58:36 | | GTK+ based IRC client, similar to AmIRC (Amiga).. URL: http://xchat.org/ |
| 19:58:36 | dougschool | ibot x-chat? |
| 19:58:40 | dougschool | ah |
| 19:58:45 | PatLabor221 | it's slickerlishous |
| 19:58:45 | captain_proton | runs away |
| 19:59:08 | dougschool | PatLabor221: trillian is slower on a 133 mhz laptop |
| 19:59:11 | dougschool | xchat id fine |
| 19:59:23 | PatLabor221 | yes the skin thing would slow it down |
| 19:59:32 | PatLabor221 | on that old outdated peice of crap |
| 19:59:40 | | doug's laptop is nothing but a bawdy bag of vapid toxic waste. |
| 19:59:40 | PatLabor221 | ibot insult doug's laptop |
| 20:00:04 | dougschool | lol |
| 20:00:08 | PatLabor221 | MIRC sould run just as well as Xchat |
| 20:00:16 | dougschool | ick |
| 20:00:18 | dougschool | mirc sux |
| 20:00:33 | dougschool | its slow, bloated, nasty cess pool |
| 20:00:38 | | MIRC is nothing but an hedge-born assload of low-quality cat-hair-balls. |
| 20:00:38 | dougschool | ibot insult MIRC |
| 20:00:59 | dougschool | bwahaha |
| 20:01:05 | PatLabor221 | actualy I see it as a little faster then xchat |
| 20:01:16 | PatLabor221 | since it uses a sntadard windows interface |
| 20:01:25 | PatLabor221 | not that owner drawn crap that xchat uses. |
| 20:01:44 | PatLabor221 | now I agree that it does not have a full feature set |
| 20:01:50 | PatLabor221 | but it works for most stuff |
| 20:02:19 | dougschool | yea yea, but its still bloated, I want a IRC client that like trillian, each window flashes in the taskmenu when theres a new message |
| 20:02:37 | PatLabor221 | so use trillian with out a skin |
| 20:02:41 | dougschool | how? |
| 20:02:43 | dougschool | I cant |
| 20:02:45 | dougschool | right? |
| 20:02:55 | PatLabor221 | there is one of the skins that makes it windows standard stuff I think |
| 20:03:00 | dougschool | yea |
| 20:03:05 | dougschool | but its still a skin |
| 20:03:10 | PatLabor221 | that should not use complex regons |
| 20:03:13 | dougschool | even winamp skins slow it down |
| 20:03:15 | PatLabor221 | and should run fine |
| 20:03:18 | dougschool | hmm |
| 20:03:22 | PatLabor221 | yeah it's the rounded windows and stuff |
| 20:03:25 | dougschool | maybe |
| 20:03:27 | dougschool | ... |
| 20:03:30 | dougschool | no |
| 20:03:37 | PatLabor221 | or the vid card realy blows in that thing |
| 20:03:41 | dougschool | I used the standard winamp stuff |
| 20:03:50 | PatLabor221 | then you have blowing |
| 20:03:50 | dougschool | cirrus video card! |
| 20:03:59 | dougschool | :P) |
| 20:04:03 | dougschool | no 3d at all |
| 20:04:08 | PatLabor221 | that would be the definitiion of blowing goats |
| 20:04:08 | dougschool | 2d is even worse |
| 20:04:19 | dougschool | 1d is better |
| 20:04:25 | PatLabor221 | it's a 133 what do you expect? |
| 20:04:29 | dougschool | 0d is, well, nothing there... |
| 20:04:45 | PatLabor221 | how bout you just not worry about IRC and stick to your schoolwork |
| 20:04:46 | dougschool | I am getting a new 400 mhz laptop next jan... |
| 20:04:51 | dougschool | gee |
| 20:05:30 | dougschool | is accepting donations |
| 20:05:49 | dougschool | I accept paypal, and money order, plus personal checks |
| 20:05:50 | PatLabor221 | you need donations to learn things? |
| 20:05:54 | dougschool | yea |
| 20:06:02 | PatLabor221 | sad |
| 20:06:08 | dougschool | sure, I need a laptop to learn laptop stuff |
| 20:06:15 | dougschool | desktop to learn desktop stuff |
| 20:06:16 | PatLabor221 | how bout learing life stuff |
| 20:06:20 | PatLabor221 | but that means you need a life |
| 20:06:26 | dougschool | snickers |
| 20:06:32 | dougschool | thats a good one... |
| 20:06:34 | dougschool | :) |
| 20:07:10 | PatLabor221 | well sometimes the truth is funny |
| 20:07:55 | dougschool | haha, er, *cough* |
| 20:08:27 | dougschool | icky poo poo pie |
| 20:08:48 | dougschool | thats the UK chear leader chant |
| 20:09:03 | dougschool | UK = university of kentucky |
| 20:10:54 | dougschool | and U of L's chant is: |
| 20:11:03 | dougschool | we suck we suck we suck |
| 20:12:59 | dougschool | oooh eeee oohh ahh ahh, bing bang walla walla bing bang |
| 20:13:46 | dougschool | PatLabor221: what other things do you have in that giant music collection? |
| 20:14:49 | dougschool | whoop de do dah day |
| 20:21:25 | PatLabor221 | we have many thing |
| 20:21:35 | PatLabor221 | to large to describe |
| 20:24:11 | bzlynx | too quiet here |
| 20:25:08 | PatLabor221 | no we all just talk when you log out |
| 20:25:15 | bzlynx | hehe |
| 20:25:26 | bzlynx | right |
| 20:25:37 | PatLabor221 | no realy |
| 20:25:42 | PatLabor221 | <dougschool> PatLabor221: what other things do you have in that giant music collection? |
| 20:25:42 | PatLabor221 | <dougschool> whoop de do dah day |
| 20:25:42 | PatLabor221 | * bzlynx has joined #bzflag |
| 20:25:42 | PatLabor221 | * bzlynx has quit IRC (Client Quit) |
| 20:25:42 | PatLabor221 | <PatLabor221> we have many thing |
| 20:25:43 | PatLabor221 | <PatLabor221> to large to describe |
| 20:25:45 | PatLabor221 | * bzlynx has joined #bzflag |
| 20:25:47 | PatLabor221 | <bzlynx> too quiet here |
| 20:26:03 | bzlynx | euh yess |
| 20:26:06 | PatLabor221 | it's bizare |
| 20:26:41 | bzlynx | guess I have a bad influence on this channel :) |
| 20:28:02 | PatLabor221 | naw I think your just unlucky |
| 20:28:57 | PatLabor221 | like this |
| 20:28:58 | PatLabor221 | crap |
| 20:29:06 | PatLabor221 | crap crap crap crap crap |
| 20:29:08 | PatLabor221 | crpa? |
| 20:29:47 | bzlynx | crap |
| 20:30:17 | PatLabor221 | CRAP! |
| 20:32:16 | bzlynx | crap |
| 20:32:29 | | bzlynx: i'm not following you... |
| 20:32:29 | bzlynx | ibot crap |
| 20:32:38 | bzlynx | just what I thought |
| 20:38:08 | prodan | 's wife forces him to turn off the computer (he waves good bye). |
| 20:41:24 | PatLabor221 | is presently engaged in exciting kunkg fuu action sequences. |
| 20:43:34 | PatLabor221 | doug you there? |
| 20:43:45 | PatLabor221 | did you want me to look for some specific music for you? |
| 22:53:44 | M1 | what is wrong with servers, I cannot connect to them |
| 22:54:22 | M1 | anyone has some idea? |
| 22:54:43 | Chestal | server list or servers? |
| 22:54:55 | M1 | servers |
| 22:55:08 | M1 | I cannot connect to ducati now |
| 22:55:08 | crazney | hey, anyone know what ports i have to forward to host a game? |
| 22:55:09 | Chestal | hmm, what happens? |
| 22:55:15 | Chestal | ibt, ducati |
| 22:55:23 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 22:55:23 | Chestal | ibot, ducati |
| 22:56:09 | Chestal | crazney: not really sure |
| 22:56:20 | crazney | hrmm |
| 22:57:09 | Chestal | are yu behind NAT? |
| 22:57:18 | crazney | yah |
| 22:57:26 | M1 | It is said "Error connecting to server" |
| 22:57:27 | m0nkey_b0y | they have been consumed by the monkey god |
| 22:57:38 | Chestal | crazney: I guess for tcp it's the port and reconnect port which you specify |
| 22:57:47 | M1 | what is NAT? |
| 22:57:49 | Chestal | crazney: for UDP, I am not sure, migh tbe the same port |
| 22:57:55 | crazney | hrmm |
| 22:57:58 | Chestal | M1: Network Adress Translation |
| 22:58:16 | M1 | no |
| 22:58:49 | Chestal | M1: I was asking crazney anyway:-) |
| 22:58:50 | M1 | I am directly on the internet |
| 22:59:01 | M1 | :) |
| 23:00:02 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 23:00:02 | Chestal | ibot, ducati |
| 23:00:04 | bzbot | DeadMeat (G): -2 (16-18). kim (R): 10 (41-31). Ikari Warrior (G): 0 (0-0). Satan's Evil Twin (G): 2 (10-8). -<Vins>- (R): 0 (7-7). Peter (G): 0 (0-0). |
| 23:00:34 | Chestal | ducati seems to be up |
| 23:00:38 | Chestal | M1: windows? |
| 23:00:44 | M1 | linux |
| 23:00:53 | lurgyman | M1: yay! |
| 23:01:04 | M1 | hi |
| 23:01:14 | Chestal | M1: ok, do you have the bzfquery.pl script? usually in bzflag/misc/ |
| 23:01:34 | M1 | yes |
| 23:01:52 | Chestal | try to run it liek bzfquery.pl ducati 5156 |
| 23:02:01 | Chestal | ducati.bzfag.org of course |
| 23:02:21 | M1 | Connection refused at misc/bzfquery.pl line 36. |
| 23:02:47 | Chestal | hmm |
| 23:03:01 | M1 | no response with the correct name |
| 23:03:15 | Chestal | try a traceroute to ducati |
| 23:03:30 | crazney | Chestal: couldya try to connect to my server in like 30 seconds and tell me if it connects? |
| 23:03:50 | Chestal | I coudl test with bzfquery script, cannot do much more right now |
| 23:03:57 | Chestal | my connection is saturated, barely enough for irc |
| 23:04:28 | M1 | traceroute to ducati failed, seems some rounter is down |
| 23:04:32 | crazney | ok, do that in 30 seconds. to my ip? |
| 23:04:44 | Chestal | ok |
| 23:04:51 | Chestal | ;5~port 5155? |
| 23:05:55 | crazney | yah |
| 23:06:08 | Chestal | running? |
| 23:06:34 | crazney | it was ;p |
| 23:06:41 | crazney | i can't type in irc when its running, you see :( |
| 23:06:41 | Chestal | hmm |
| 23:06:50 | m0nkey_b0y | my ride home is here....goodnight!!!! |
| 23:06:54 | crazney | ill go again, 20 seconds |
| 23:06:54 | Chestal | I tried twice, got connection refused, don't know whetehr I hit your small tim ewindow, though |
| 23:06:58 | m0nkey_b0y | we talk tomorrow ches |
| 23:07:00 | M1 | cu, mb |
| 23:07:39 | Chestal | I must head to bed now, cu |
| 23:07:48 | M1 | cu |
| 23:07:49 | bzgirl | bye Chestal |
| 23:08:00 | Chestal | bye Angie |
| 23:08:07 | crazney | bye |
| 23:08:13 | Chestal | M1: I hope your network issues will be fixed soon |
| 23:09:07 | bzgirl | crazney: is your server running? |
| 23:09:14 | crazney | it will be in 20 seconds |
| 23:09:34 | bzgirl | hi m1 |
| 23:09:36 | M1 | hope so |
| 23:09:44 | M1 | hi, bzgirl |
| 23:09:53 | M1 | I cannot play on ducati now :) |
| 23:09:59 | bzgirl | awwww :( |
| 23:10:02 | bzgirl | poor m1 |
| 23:10:11 | M1 | can you? |
| 23:10:19 | bzgirl | i have had trouble all day.. |
| 23:10:35 | bzgirl | i can..but i cant pick up flags for some reason |
| 23:10:42 | bzgirl | unlss i use e4 |
| 23:11:03 | M1 | interesting |
| 23:11:44 | bzgirl | hmm |
| 23:11:52 | bzgirl | i just got in now.. |
| 23:12:18 | M1 | that is good :( |
| 23:13:10 | bzgirl | what happens, no server list? |
| 23:13:29 | bzgirl | crazney: i dont see your server |
| 23:13:52 | M1 | I can see the server list, but cant connect to server |
| 23:14:33 | bzgirl | do you get the error downloading something message? |
| 23:14:55 | M1 | Error connecting to server |
| 23:15:58 | bzgirl | tried -list default i guess? |
| 23:16:40 | M1 | I can connect to "Rat Lab" now |