| 00:00:22 | captain_proton | whoa, network outage |
| 00:00:22 | captain_proton | kicks ITS |
| 00:07:04 | bzdoug | network outage? |
| 00:07:09 | bzdoug | how are you online? |
| 00:08:39 | captain_proton | tcp connections can stay alive during a network drop |
| 00:08:49 | captain_proton | if you've got the right operating system ;) |
| 00:10:38 | bzdoug | hehe |
| 00:10:44 | bzdoug | windows does that to |
| 00:11:08 | bzdoug | I can unplug the hub and plug it back in and not get disconnected |
| 00:14:43 | jzaun | bzdoug: you need to make it so lazers can't shoot the full way across the field... its campers city there right now |
| 00:14:57 | jzaun | 4 lazers, one in each corner and you can move 2 inches |
| 00:16:15 | captain_proton | damnit bzdoug |
| 00:16:21 | captain_proton | you put in boxes that you can hide under |
| 00:16:24 | captain_proton | wtf were you thinking? |
| 00:17:08 | captain_proton | if the only flags are laser you should ALWAYS be somewhere that someone can pick you off |
| 00:17:13 | captain_proton | else you're invincible |
| 00:18:49 | bzdoug | ? |
| 00:19:14 | bzdoug | is away: |
| 00:21:20 | sussudio | bzdoug: put in some pyramids too and stuff. |
| 00:21:24 | jzaun | captain_proton: yah... thats what happened |
| 00:21:33 | jzaun | captain_proton: less its a 1 shot server |
| 00:22:33 | captain_proton | bzdoug: everybody is hiding in a building picking off people as they spawn |
| 00:23:20 | sussudio | captain_proton: i think i kinda summed that up with "this sucks" |
| 00:23:28 | jzaun | cap... I'll be making you a BZCop soon... once its all in place. you'll know the admin passowrd to any server running my script :-) |
| 00:23:45 | captain_proton | jzaun: still, running worlds like this sucks |
| 00:23:55 | jzaun | ban list will be universal too |
| 00:24:04 | sussudio | if i were a BZCop i'd just be kicking BuBu and stuff |
| 00:24:07 | sussudio | for fun |
| 00:24:12 | captain_proton | squirrel's original 'laser wars' was a kickass map because everybody was out in the open, and there were CL flags |
| 00:24:21 | jzaun | captain_proton: true... bzdoug just need to 1 fix the world for lazers or 2 change the server settings |
| 00:24:21 | captain_proton | this one is just a camper's heaven |
| 00:24:35 | captain_proton | jzaun: send me the map file, i'll fix it :) |
| 00:24:44 | jzaun | captain_proton: dload it... |
| 00:24:50 | jzaun | from the Worlds page |
| 00:24:53 | captain_proton | ooh right |
| 00:25:11 | jzaun | have to change the name, reupload and say its a derived map |
| 00:25:13 | jzaun | :-) |
| 00:25:27 | sussudio | a deprived map |
| 00:25:33 | sussudio | add boobs and stuff |
| 00:25:36 | jzaun | heh |
| 00:25:40 | captain_proton | haha |
| 00:25:59 | jzaun | if everyone leves it will cycle to a new map.... |
| 00:27:01 | captain_proton | drops all the boxes down to z=0 |
| 00:27:21 | sussudio | if you make them z 0.01 they cant shoot out |
| 00:29:08 | Patlabor221 | I am amazed at the sheer number of electronic deivices I have running right now |
| 00:29:38 | Patlabor221 | main PC |
| 00:29:40 | Patlabor221 | laptop |
| 00:29:43 | captain_proton | they're all at z 0.01 |
| 00:29:46 | Patlabor221 | P-80 server |
| 00:29:47 | SpacemanSpiff | Hey bzdoug!! |
| 00:29:49 | Patlabor221 | and a dreamcast |
| 00:29:51 | sussudio | hm |
| 00:29:57 | captain_proton | which makes it so you can drive under ('into') them and shoot out but not in |
| 00:30:00 | SpacemanSpiff | Your server is actin' kinda wierd man.. it keeps disconnecting me |
| 00:30:35 | sussudio | SpacemanSpiff: it's a conspiracy |
| 00:30:51 | SpacemanSpiff | Sure sussudio :P |
| 00:32:05 | SpacemanSpiff | Your server bites bzdoug... "server unexpectedly disconnected" is all I'm getting.. EVERY time I try to type or start playing there |
| 00:34:22 | Patlabor221 | ha it's on a DSL what do you expect |
| 00:36:17 | sussudio | so |
| 00:36:22 | captain_proton | wow, Aldebaran and cor_tauri in the same room |
| 00:36:25 | captain_proton | :) |
| 00:36:34 | Aldebaran | am configuring irssi |
| 00:36:47 | Aldebaran | did it long time ago, but must do everything again |
| 00:37:06 | captain_proton | are you forced to use console? |
| 00:37:18 | cor_tauri | I am starting to like the console |
| 00:37:33 | cor_tauri | I ssh in from work and have gotten used to console type stuff |
| 00:37:43 | cor_tauri | am currently looking for console playable games |
| 00:37:48 | cor_tauri | only have vms-empire for now |
| 00:37:53 | cor_tauri | but that is enough |
| 00:39:00 | captain_proton | console is good for getting serious work done, but there's a reason for graphics :) |
| 00:40:16 | Aldebaran | yes and I use Kvirc here at home, but what if I want to irc while at work? |
| 00:40:58 | Aldebaran | does anyone have a way of contacting Kernal Panic of turkey.moongroup.com? |
| 00:40:58 | captain_proton | true |
| 00:41:17 | cor_tauri | hmm... irc in stero vision is annoying |
| 00:45:29 | Aldebaran | is AWAY at 21:51:51 : Not at this window |
| 00:47:19 | Aldebaran | is back after 0 d 0 h 1 m 50 s |
| 00:47:41 | Aldebaran | is there a way to make bzflag redraw the window? If I change to a virtual terminal and change back |
| 00:47:59 | Aldebaran | all the text is reversed and shots have a black box around them |
| 00:48:25 | Patlabor221 | you in 8 bit color? |
| 00:48:37 | Patlabor221 | it redraws the window every frame |
| 00:49:09 | Aldebaran | hmmm.... changing windows messes it up somehow |
| 00:49:20 | captain_proton | sound more like switching out of the window is spooging on texture memory |
| 00:49:22 | captain_proton | what video card? |
| 00:49:27 | Patlabor221 | what OS? |
| 00:49:30 | Patlabor221 | and that |
| 00:49:38 | Aldebaran | Mandrake 8.2 rage128 |
| 00:49:52 | Patlabor221 | rage ... it runs on that |
| 00:49:57 | Aldebaran | sure |
| 00:49:59 | captain_proton | hmm, rage128...there's the issue |
| 00:50:01 | Patlabor221 | I had issues under windows with that |
| 00:50:04 | captain_proton | DRI sucks |
| 00:50:06 | Patlabor221 | didn't like the gama stuff |
| 00:50:37 | Aldebaran | I don't remember version e5 doing it, but it might verywell be a video card problem |
| 00:50:55 | Aldebaran | I get kernal messages re: DRI |
| 00:51:05 | captain_proton | hmm, dragging things would be really nice for what i'm doing :P |
| 00:51:19 | Aldebaran | whats a good cheap linux video card? |
| 00:51:22 | Aldebaran | nevermidn |
| 00:51:39 | Aldebaran | thats too big of a discussion |
| 00:51:48 | captain_proton | not really |
| 00:51:51 | captain_proton | we're nvidia fans :) |
| 00:52:02 | Aldebaran | arn't there driver problems with that |
| 00:52:06 | captain_proton | nope |
| 00:52:08 | Patlabor221 | nope |
| 00:52:12 | captain_proton | nvidia's got the most solid linux drivers out there |
| 00:52:23 | Patlabor221 | the drivers that they have for ATI are not so hot |
| 00:52:34 | Patlabor221 | cheap = GeForce 2 MX |
| 00:52:42 | captain_proton | the only 'problems' are that the X-module portion of the driver isn't open source, which pisses off some people (rediculous to get worked up over it) |
| 00:52:42 | Patlabor221 | goes for about 35-40 |
| 00:53:07 | SpacemanSpiff | How do you add bots to a server? |
| 00:53:15 | Aldebaran | are the drivers included in most distributions of linux? |
| 00:53:24 | captain_proton | actually not often |
| 00:53:29 | Patlabor221 | run bot clients |
| 00:53:30 | captain_proton | X will run with the 'nv' driver |
| 00:53:43 | captain_proton | then you go grab the 3d drivers from nvidia's web site and install them (trivial) |
| 00:53:51 | SpacemanSpiff | Where do I get a bot client? |
| 00:54:12 | captain_proton | ...bot client? |
| 00:54:14 | Patlabor221 | what OS? |
| 00:54:20 | Aldebaran | ok I am seeing different brands with nvidia chipset seeing Pine? for 50 |
| 00:54:21 | SpacemanSpiff | Windows ME |
| 00:54:25 | captain_proton | 1.7 has bots in the client itself |
| 00:54:32 | Patlabor221 | yeah but they blow goats |
| 00:54:44 | captain_proton | ohh, you're talking of something like chestal's hack |
| 00:54:50 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 00:55:05 | Patlabor221 | and don't you have to build with the robot flag for the ones that are in it |
| 00:55:15 | SpacemanSpiff | I'm confused |
| 00:55:29 | Patlabor221 | basicly it's not easy |
| 00:55:41 | Patlabor221 | you have to run a copy that logs in and pretends to be a player |
| 00:55:51 | Patlabor221 | there isnt' realy good support for bots presently |
| 00:55:52 | captain_proton | SpacemanSpiff: if you don't really care about the quality of play, just run `bzflag -solo n` where n is the number of bots |
| 00:56:01 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 00:56:26 | Patlabor221 | chestal made a client that is better, but it's still very dumb |
| 00:56:26 | SpacemanSpiff | I don't mind how they play.. I just want someone to shoot on this server, LoL |
| 00:56:38 | captain_proton | http://workrave.sourceforge.net/ <-- so rediculous |
| 00:56:41 | SpacemanSpiff | Can they come to any server with you to play?? Or do you have to have your own server? |
| 00:56:52 | blackhound | heya |
| 00:56:57 | Patlabor221 | I don't know if you can add the standard bots to a server |
| 00:57:04 | Patlabor221 | the bot client can join any server |
| 00:57:06 | SpacemanSpiff | Hmm |
| 00:57:12 | captain_proton | any server, but your network will be hammered because it just acts like more clients |
| 00:57:12 | Patlabor221 | but I don't know how to set it up |
| 00:57:12 | sussudio | hmz |
| 00:57:23 | Patlabor221 | they all know more |
| 00:57:25 | sussudio | jzaun's server went beddybye again |
| 00:57:36 | blackhound | is that bot a separate binary? |
| 00:58:16 | Patlabor221 | chestal's one yes |
| 00:58:25 | Patlabor221 | dosn't sound like the built in ones are |
| 00:58:40 | captain_proton | right |
| 00:58:47 | SpacemanSpiff | Hmm.. okay.. how do I run bots (in VERY simple terms)? |
| 00:59:37 | Patlabor221 | run bzflag.exe -solo e |
| 00:59:45 | blackhound | I started playing with SDL last night, I want to make that 2D client |
| 00:59:48 | Patlabor221 | where e = the number of bots |
| 01:00:06 | sussudio | if i do solo -eh, do i get a canadian bot? |
| 01:00:19 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 01:00:28 | sussudio | kewl...... hoserbot |
| 01:00:36 | Patlabor221 | but it will take your beef |
| 01:00:38 | Patlabor221 | beer |
| 01:00:39 | SpacemanSpiff | Okay..... bzflag.exe I know... what is the -solo part? |
| 01:01:05 | Patlabor221 | you use win ME |
| 01:01:18 | Patlabor221 | then you have proalbly never used a command line |
| 01:01:31 | Patlabor221 | you have to run it from a ms dos propmt |
| 01:01:35 | Patlabor221 | or make a bat file |
| 01:01:57 | Patlabor221 | or add the -solo 5 after the name of the exe in the shortcut to the game |
| 01:02:30 | SpacemanSpiff | Okie... will do |
| 01:03:03 | Patlabor221 | and get of windows ME, it realy sucks man |
| 01:03:32 | SpacemanSpiff | LoL... I like it for what I do man.... it's pretty good |
| 01:04:10 | Patlabor221 | buggy as all get out |
| 01:04:18 | Patlabor221 | 2k is the same thing and a lot faster |
| 01:04:20 | SpacemanSpiff | Okay.. do I just name the shortcut "BZFlag-solo 5"??? |
| 01:04:47 | Patlabor221 | no it'll be like "c:\program files\bzflag\bzflag.exe" |
| 01:04:58 | Patlabor221 | make it "c:\program files\bzflag\bzflag.exe" -solo 5 |
| 01:07:32 | SpacemanSpiff | How exactly do I do that? |
| 01:07:47 | Patlabor221 | the installer should have made a shortcut for you |
| 01:07:50 | Patlabor221 | copy it |
| 01:07:55 | Patlabor221 | then right click on it |
| 01:07:58 | Patlabor221 | hit properties |
| 01:08:19 | Patlabor221 | then change add -solo 5 after the text thats in the "target" field |
| 01:09:41 | SpacemanSpiff | Ohh... okay |
| 01:09:53 | SpacemanSpiff | Then what? |
| 01:10:03 | Patlabor221 | double click it |
| 01:10:13 | Patlabor221 | and it'll run bz with those paramaters |
| 01:10:46 | SpacemanSpiff | Okay... so.. bz is running now.. do I have to do anything special to get bots? |
| 01:10:59 | Patlabor221 | that I don't know |
| 01:11:05 | Patlabor221 | log in to a server and see |
| 01:11:45 | SpacemanSpiff | Okay |
| 01:11:50 | SpacemanSpiff | Will do |
| 01:12:10 | SpacemanSpiff | Wow... it launched like 6 Spaceman Spiff's |
| 01:12:24 | sussudio | hm a beowulf cluster of spiffs. |
| 01:12:40 | SpacemanSpiff | LoL! |
| 01:12:57 | Patlabor221 | well if they arn't talking to each other then it's no cluster |
| 01:12:58 | sussudio | i hope you had them spayed and neutered |
| 01:13:06 | SpacemanSpiff | :P |
| 01:13:09 | SpacemanSpiff | Shut up :P |
| 01:13:12 | SpacemanSpiff | LoL |
| 01:15:34 | SpacemanSpiff | WoW!!! My world is on Jzaun! |
| 01:16:13 | jzaun | WOW |
| 01:16:15 | jzaun | really? |
| 01:16:25 | jzaun | who would have thought :-P |
| 01:31:30 | SpacemanSpiff | LOL |
| 01:31:33 | SpacemanSpiff | Thanks :P |
| 01:31:41 | SpacemanSpiff | Well, I'm off for the night guys |
| 01:31:43 | SpacemanSpiff | God bless |
| 01:31:46 | SpacemanSpiff | Goodnight |
| 01:31:50 | blackhound | can I bribe someone to update and complete the protocol definition? :) |
| 01:32:12 | sussudio | blackhound: bzdoug will do anything for FIVE DOLLAH |
| 01:32:26 | blackhound | hehehe |
| 01:32:28 | captain_proton | haha |
| 01:33:18 | blackhound | pokes bzdoug |
| 02:01:56 | captain_proton | uploads his fixed laser-ctf map |
| 02:04:05 | captain_proton | pokes jzaun |
| 02:04:34 | smacnay | bzflag crashes (or hangs) with this error message in var/log/XFree86 -> "(WW) Open APM failed (/dev/apm_bios) (No such file or directory)" |
| 02:04:50 | smacnay | I was using bzflag this morning with no prob.. any ideas? |
| 02:04:54 | sussudio | what does bzf care about apm? |
| 02:04:55 | captain_proton | that's X trying to open apm, not bz |
| 02:04:59 | captain_proton | missing a module, perhaps? |
| 02:05:03 | smacnay | sussudio: shouldn't |
| 02:05:27 | smacnay | captain_proton: ok... I wonder why X suddenly needs to open apm |
| 02:05:44 | smacnay | I am running X right now... |
| 02:06:49 | captain_proton | could be trying to make it not blank the screen while gl is in use? *shrug* |
| 02:13:20 | smacnay | captain_proton: it has me stumped as I used bzflag this morn without a hitch.. no reboot or anything and it started to hang on bz startup. |
| 02:13:28 | captain_proton | anybody up for helping me test the new laser world? |
| 02:13:42 | smacnay | would if I could... |
| 02:14:05 | captain_proton | see if you've got an apm kernel mod - if so, try inserting it |
| 02:14:51 | smacnay | captain_proton: ok - I am pretty sure I compiled without |
| 02:15:59 | smacnay | skm:/usr/src/linux-2.4.19# cat .config | grep APM |
| 02:16:01 | smacnay | # CONFIG_APM is not set |
| 02:16:44 | captain_proton | try building it ;) |
| 02:17:17 | smacnay | captain_proton: I will but maybe another day - thanks for the lead... |
| 02:19:35 | captain_proton | arg |
| 02:19:45 | captain_proton | scanline: wtf is up with the resnet this year? i can't pull 20k |
| 02:20:20 | scanline | captain_proton: take a look at the flowscan graphs.. huge spike in Kazaa traffic a couple hours agao |
| 02:20:23 | scanline | err, ago |
| 02:21:16 | captain_proton | whoa |
| 02:21:40 | scanline | oh.. it's passed now |
| 02:21:43 | scanline | but man, it was a big spike |
| 02:22:06 | captain_proton | wonder what happened |
| 02:22:25 | scanline | you can see how it pushed all the rest of the traffic down, so that in that dip at about 19:00 the total usage went way down |
| 02:22:36 | scanline | I dunno, maybe resnet's kazaa-slowing filter broke |
| 02:24:15 | scanline | that's weird... look at the "Campus I/o by IP Protocol" graphs... UDP has a nice sine wave pattern.. almost like every computer in CU running a NTP daemon hourly :) |
| 02:24:39 | captain_proton | heh |
| 02:24:55 | captain_proton | could be their kazaa-filter broke so they just put in an everything-filter |
| 02:25:05 | scanline | that would suck... |
| 02:25:13 | captain_proton | because my traffic anywhere is crap right now |
| 02:25:20 | scanline | most p2p clients are very greedy with bandwidth, and would easily overpower any legitimate traffic |
| 02:25:46 | scanline | yeah.. I was downloading mozilla sources and redhat isos yesterday.. took forever |
| 02:26:05 | scanline | haven't tried anything big today, but latency has been pretty bad |
| 02:26:33 | captain_proton | i can't connect to any external bz servers its so high |
| 02:26:39 | scanline | geez |
| 02:26:50 | captain_proton | is pondering complaining loudly |
| 02:27:20 | scanline | heh.. if I complain, they'll probably wonder why I'm using 2 IP addresses and running my own mail server... |
| 02:28:32 | captain_proton | hmm, should i run a subversion server? |
| 02:28:47 | scanline | for bzflag? |
| 02:28:53 | captain_proton | no, for my stuff |
| 02:28:55 | scanline | or jetstream? |
| 02:29:02 | captain_proton | plus anybody else who wants to use it |
| 02:29:28 | scanline | normally I'd say I'm happy with CVS, but there's this stale lockfile in my repository right now :) |
| 02:29:40 | captain_proton | grins |
| 02:37:32 | captain_proton | PING yahoo.com (66.218.71.198): 56 octets data |
| 02:37:34 | captain_proton | 64 octets from 66.218.71.198: icmp_seq=0 ttl=245 time=869.2 ms |
| 02:38:11 | captain_proton | 64 octets from 66.218.71.198: icmp_seq=11 ttl=245 time=2065.3 ms |
| 02:38:58 | captain_proton | cries |
| 02:39:39 | scanline | hehe.. you use yahoo.com for pinging purposes too? |
| 02:40:08 | blackhound | it's a classic |
| 02:40:57 | captain_proton | all these ws and slashes telling us to go to yay-hoo |
| 02:41:19 | scanline | hehe... |
| 02:41:21 | scanline | yay-hoo! |
| 02:41:43 | scanline | hmm.. my email server is slow, but still working |
| 02:43:22 | captain_proton | scanline: kazaa 2.0 was just released |
| 02:43:31 | scanline | oh... crap |
| 02:43:40 | scanline | #^@#$&^(*%^@# kazaa |
| 02:44:30 | captain_proton | i'm betting thats the reason for the spike |
| 02:44:41 | scanline | likely |
| 02:44:51 | captain_proton | scanline: my roommate suggests a killall -9 kazaa |
| 02:45:16 | scanline | Need to improve the all-ness of killall |
| 02:47:46 | captain_proton | while [ 1 ]; do killall -9 kazaa; done |
| 02:47:47 | captain_proton | ;) |
| 02:48:39 | captain_proton | well, since the internet is broken, time to watch the prisoner |
| 02:57:51 | captain_proton | ftp spike |
| 03:04:59 | captain_proton | whoa, strange |
| 03:05:13 | captain_proton | NNTP is 8.2% of the incoming trafic |
| 03:06:22 | sussudio | clown......porn..... |
| 03:06:41 | sussudio | WTF is wrong with these people? |
| 03:06:55 | captain_proton | must be dutch |
| 03:07:05 | sussudio | no |
| 03:07:24 | sussudio | area code 415 |
| 03:07:42 | sussudio | where's that |
| 03:08:10 | sussudio | googles |
| 03:08:34 | sussudio | San Francisco |
| 03:08:47 | captain_proton | ... not surprising |
| 03:08:50 | sussudio | http://www.ouchytheclown.com/ |
| 03:09:52 | sussudio | what's that thing about the san andreas faultline and CA falling into the sea again..... |
| 03:10:03 | sussudio | tries to find the big giant laser..... |
| 03:13:05 | Patlabor221 | that is wrong |
| 03:13:15 | sussudio | hm? |
| 03:13:25 | Patlabor221 | the clown thing |
| 03:13:35 | sussudio | yes that was my conclusion too |
| 03:15:45 | captain_proton | yikes |
| 03:16:39 | sussudio | reminds me of that stephen king movie |
| 03:16:44 | sussudio | "it" or something |
| 04:56:16 | captain_proton | hmm, a lego harpsichord |
| 04:56:18 | captain_proton | thats cool |
| 05:28:29 | | I haven't seen 'captai_proton', prodan |
| 05:28:29 | prodan | ibot seen captai_proton |
| 05:28:32 | | captain_proton was last seen on #bzflag 32 minutes and 14 seconds ago, saying: thats cool [Wed Sep 25 05:56:18 2002] |
| 05:28:32 | prodan | ibot seen captain_proton |
| 05:28:59 | captain_proton | prodan: something you want? |
| 05:29:22 | prodan | on cvs 1.8a the arrow keys dont work for moving tank?????? |
| 05:29:27 | captain_proton | no |
| 05:29:32 | prodan | aha |
| 05:29:38 | prodan | will they some day? |
| 05:29:48 | captain_proton | if someone ends up implementing it |
| 05:30:02 | prodan | ;_) hint hint |
| 05:30:20 | captain_proton | as tim would say, patches welcome ;-) |
| 05:30:37 | prodan | cabbage patches? |
| 05:30:50 | prodan | thinks the joke lame |
| 05:31:11 | prodan | thx for the info |
| 05:36:11 | prodan | finds out that out that opie-reader for zaurus supports both palm pdb and plucker formats. He happily wanders off .... |
| 06:39:33 | | bomber was last seen on #bzflag 5 days, 15 hours, 38 minutes and 9 seconds ago, saying: have to go...bye [Thu Sep 19 16:01:24 2002] |
| 06:39:33 | Pinguin | ibot seen bomber |
| 08:17:31 | prodan | wonders whether the Halpern-Bergman fixed point theorem is useful for playing bzflag |
| 08:18:14 | BZFlag | does not have a clue. |
| 08:20:47 | Chestal | must think of something to clever to persuade my superior to postpone my talk by one week |
| 08:20:51 | Chestal | - to |
| 08:21:38 | BZFlag | prodan: hmm. fixed point as in fixed point values? or fixed as in fixed maps? |
| 08:22:21 | Chestal | BZFlaG:don't listen to prodan, he is insane anyway, using keyboard to play bzflag :-) |
| 08:23:02 | BZFlag | heh |
| 08:28:21 | | you are interested in the existence of Nash Equilibria in games with compact action sets and discontinuous payoff functions |
| 08:28:21 | prodan | ibot prodan |
| 08:28:33 | prodan | true enough |
| 08:28:43 | prodan | sounds a touch insane |
| 08:29:08 | prodan | laughs insanely and jumps out of the window |
| 08:30:19 | prodan | bzdoug: fixed as in: x \in f(x) |
| 08:36:44 | prodan | suggests Chestal should give his talk on the existence of Nash Equilibria in games with compact action sets and discontinuous payoff functions |
| 08:37:33 | Chestal | that will confuse the auditorium for sure |
| 08:38:22 | prodan | invert the confusion operator |
| 08:39:02 | prodan | or, alterantively apply the "couldn't care less" operator |
| 08:39:31 | prodan | whats the talk on? |
| 08:40:10 | Chestal | grid computing, with special focus on the kind of applications we would like to run |
| 08:40:19 | Chestal | but I need more time to read papers etc. |
| 08:41:13 | prodan | sympathises |
| 08:41:32 | Chestal | thanks :-) |
| 08:41:51 | prodan | thinks he needs a spell checker cause sympathises looks piss wrong |
| 08:42:20 | Chestal | the problem is that I had 3 weeks to prepare, but I wasted most of it. Oh well, I'll talk to him later and see what happens |
| 08:43:03 | prodan | play a round of bzf with him and if you win hell let you reschedule |
| 09:18:09 | Pinguin | The last talk i had to give was finished the night before ... late ... |
| 09:19:02 | Pinguin | i still run two simulations that night! |
| 09:23:08 | Chestal | IMHO it would make more sense to do it next week |
| 09:23:26 | Chestal | I just hope he didn't invite anyone external... |
| 09:24:41 | Pinguin | Am i invited? |
| 09:25:16 | Pinguin | Hm ... guess this means not ... |
| 09:46:42 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 09:46:42 | prodan | ibot ducati |
| 09:46:43 | bzbot | trubi (R): 1 (38-37). egg (G): -1 (25-26). kill -9 (G): -15 (23-38). Sadista Muff (R): 21 (41-20). Free as a bird (G): -5 (10-15). |
| 10:42:43 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 10:42:43 | prodan | ibot ducati |
| 10:42:44 | bzbot | Gil (R): -2 (9-11). Yeti (G): 0 (0-0). grumbel (R): -1 (0-1). CoolNix's (G): -3 (2-5). M i r e l l a (R): 3 (6-3). egg (G): 1 (2-1). |
| 10:58:30 | | prodan: sorry... |
| 10:58:30 | prodan | ibot ping ducati |
| 10:58:38 | | prodan: what? |
| 10:58:38 | prodan | ibot traeroute ducati |
| 10:58:43 | prodan | ibot traceroute ducati |
| 11:42:13 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 11:42:13 | prodan | ibot ducati |
| 11:42:14 | bzbot | M i r e l l a (G): 3 (10-7). Sadista Muff (R): 4 (20-16). feizhou (R): -1 (0-1). sting (G): 0 (1-1). |
| 12:05:03 | prodan | good dag |
| 12:05:21 | Sniper50 | hehe only 1 o |
| 12:05:32 | Sniper50 | God Dag |
| 12:05:36 | prodan | blasphemy? |
| 12:05:42 | Sniper50 | ke? |
| 12:05:53 | prodan | god -> gott |
| 12:06:04 | smacnay | well, bzflag completely hangs on start. Something weird happening with apm (which I don't use)... hmmm. |
| 12:06:51 | Sniper50 | God dag its a way to say hello on in a polite way |
| 12:07:13 | prodan | ;-) id have thought so |
| 12:07:37 | smacnay | Would bzflag need to call apm_bios? Or use it? |
| 12:07:43 | prodan | my ducati line is crap today |
| 12:07:47 | Sniper50 | the problem is how to speak swedish |
| 12:08:10 | prodan | i presume speaking swiss german is a bigger problem |
| 12:08:43 | Sniper50 | i have learned german for some years ago but i have forgotten it |
| 12:09:12 | Phactorial | I can't believe Microsoft bought out Rare |
| 12:09:30 | Phactorial | Nintendo without Rare...queer |
| 12:09:51 | | prodan: huh? |
| 12:09:51 | prodan | ibot Phactorial |
| 12:10:31 | Phactorial | Phactorial: The Pretty Hot Factorial |
| 12:10:33 | prodan | sniper: swiss german is reasonably unrelated to german |
| 12:10:55 | | OK, prodan. |
| 12:10:55 | prodan | ibot Phactorial is The Pretty Hot Factorial |
| 12:11:01 | Sniper50 | yep i know swiss i dont understand |
| 12:11:10 | Phactorial | ;) |
| 12:11:22 | prodan | i do too, but its not the language ;-) |
| 12:12:02 | Sniper50 | bad memory, hungary right? |
| 12:12:09 | Sniper50 | oops |
| 12:12:19 | Sniper50 | Where was you from ? |
| 12:12:28 | prodan | drinks something which tastes almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea. |
| 12:12:34 | prodan | ch |
| 12:12:47 | Sniper50 | cheers |
| 12:13:45 | prodan | Confederation |
| 12:13:46 | prodan | Helvetica. This Roman name aptly reflects the origin ... |
| 12:13:55 | prodan | oooops |
| 12:31:50 | blackhound | hi there |
| 12:31:58 | blackhound | is stats.bzflag.org down? |
| 12:33:37 | Chestal | seems to |
| 12:34:16 | prodan | anybody know why DFN-Belwue sucks? |
| 12:37:35 | Phactorial | I have a question about bzflag's serverlist feature |
| 12:37:43 | blackhound | sup Chestal? |
| 12:37:55 | Phactorial | Does it connect to the server containing the lists directly? Doesn't bzflag support any type of proxying? |
| 12:38:58 | blackhound | Chestal could you convert your bot into a standalone binary? |
| 12:39:50 | Chestal | hmm, it is a standalone binary |
| 12:40:24 | Chestal | Phactorial: usually, getting the serevr lsit is a two-step process |
| 12:40:40 | Chestal | Phactorial: 1) get the address of the bzfls server from some URL |
| 12:40:45 | Chestal | 2) contact that server and get list |
| 12:40:58 | Chestal | 1) is done with http, no proxies at the moment |
| 12:41:08 | Phactorial | Hrm... |
| 12:41:15 | Phactorial | How about when it comes to timeout values? |
| 12:41:27 | Chestal | you can make it directly use 2) by specifying -list <...> |
| 12:41:30 | Phactorial | or does it just repeat this process repeatedly? |
| 12:41:50 | Chestal | no, it should timeout. But timeouts have not been working reliably on some platforms obviously |
| 12:41:56 | Phactorial | As it crashes everytime I use the serverlist feature |
| 12:42:13 | Phactorial | Implementing proxy code is not anything too difficult... |
| 12:42:24 | Phactorial | and is very important for us over here in the Middle East |
| 12:43:00 | Chestal | it should be added to 1.8, but the protocols might change anyway |
| 12:43:00 | Phactorial | One solution is to have the actual servers containing the lists run on unstandard ports (which are not denied access to by the firewalls here) |
| 12:43:09 | Chestal | as I said, you can skip the http-Port-80-step by using -list |
| 12:43:45 | Chestal | try bzflag -list bzflist://list.bzflag.org:5156/ |
| 12:50:05 | blackhound | is willing to bribe someone for update and completing the bzflag protocol (server/client & client/client) description |
| 12:55:25 | Phactorial | Chestal: How is 1.8 going along anyways? captain_proton was branging about it for around a year...I still see nothing |
| 12:55:34 | Phactorial | Chestal: Support for arbitrary polygons yet? |
| 12:55:57 | Chestal | Phactorial: well, 'nothing' is not quite correct. But after an initial activity in spring this year, development has more or less stalled |
| 12:56:11 | Chestal | some small things have been done, but some of the big changes are still to be done |
| 12:56:47 | prodan | for example: arrow keys for steering tanks |
| 12:57:20 | Phactorial | I would REALLY like to see a proper physics engine as well |
| 12:57:31 | Phactorial | When it comes to tank movement |
| 12:57:33 | Phactorial | and collision |
| 12:57:45 | Phactorial | peace out |
| 12:57:49 | Phactorial | I need to do something |
| 12:58:00 | prodan | prefers arrow keys to physics engines |
| 13:00:42 | blackhound | do you know of anyone that would be willing to update those docs? |
| 13:13:50 | prodan | anybody for ducati |
| 13:44:43 | Chestal | phew, I managed to postpone my talk by 6 days |
| 13:44:56 | Chestal | on the bad side: it's going to get bigger :-( |
| 13:51:06 | Pinguin | use your 6 days wisely ... |
| 13:52:04 | Chestal | 5 days of relaxing and then 24h work? |
| 13:52:42 | Pinguin | this is the reality ... but i heard that there are people beeing able to balance their work ... maybe just a tale ... |
| 13:56:55 | Pinguin | btw: GET TO WORK!!! :-) |
| 14:07:41 | prodan | still thinks Chestal should give a talk on the existence of equilibria in discontinuous games with compact action spaces. As usual Chestal will presumably not listen and call prodan insane instead. |
| 14:09:30 | prodan | hops off laughing insanely. |
| 14:23:42 | captain_proton | hmm, looks like its approaching time to beat back the feature bitches again |
| 14:31:29 | Terminator | hi |
| 14:35:19 | gonkulator{work} | Terminator: are you an IDE or SCSI guy? |
| 14:35:30 | Terminator | huh? |
| 14:35:50 | gonkulator{work} | well, I think it would be funny if you were a SCSI Terminator |
| 14:36:00 | Terminator | i use irc and msn thats it if that is what ur talkin' bout |
| 14:36:06 | patlabor221 | groans |
| 14:36:25 | patlabor221 | that was a very abd joke |
| 14:36:28 | gonkulator{work} | Terminator: are you an active or passive guy? |
| 14:36:34 | Terminator | active |
| 14:36:38 | patlabor221 | he's talking about hard drive types |
| 14:36:44 | Terminator | oh |
| 14:36:50 | Terminator | dunno |
| 14:36:54 | Terminator | dont mind |
| 14:37:02 | captain_proton | haha |
| 14:37:05 | patlabor221 | there is a thing called a SCSI terminator that's needed for one type of drive |
| 14:37:30 | scanline | hehe |
| 14:37:53 | Terminator | oh |
| 14:37:55 | scanline | is interlaced... but is Terminator SCSI? |
| 14:37:56 | gonkulator{work} | gets back to work... |
| 14:38:09 | Terminator | well dont really care bout hard drives |
| 14:38:23 | scanline | takes away Terminator's hard drive in that case |
| 14:38:31 | patlabor221 | then just say your an IDE kinda guy, unless you use older macs |
| 14:38:40 | Terminator | keeps it |
| 14:38:41 | Terminator | ok |
| 14:39:13 | Terminator | as long as i have a desent sized hard drive i dont care about da other things |
| 14:39:20 | patlabor221 | scanline when are you gonna update to modern times, it's all about plasma displays now adays. |
| 14:39:29 | Terminator | oh i do care about sound emmision though |
| 14:39:34 | captain_proton | is so happy |
| 14:39:49 | scanline | magnetizes himself and overloads patlabor221's shiny new plasma display |
| 14:39:59 | Terminator | lol |
| 14:40:19 | patlabor221 | now how would that work? |
| 14:40:29 | patlabor221 | I didn't think they were field based |
| 14:40:35 | captain_proton | hmm, scanline interlaced |
| 14:40:41 | patlabor221 | all solid state pixel stuff |
| 14:40:41 | captain_proton | so there's only half of you at once? |
| 14:40:43 | scanline | is defined by a magnetic field deflecting electrons |
| 14:40:53 | scanline | patlabor221: they aren't, but I could blow out the power supply |
| 14:41:10 | scanline | patlabor221: overload the inductors in your cute little switching power supply brick |
| 14:41:11 | patlabor221 | well that would work for any electroic device |
| 14:41:14 | scanline | yep |
| 14:41:16 | patlabor221 | being an EMP and all |
| 14:41:41 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 14:41:41 | Terminator | ibot ducati |
| 14:41:41 | bzbot | spiff (R): 6 (34-28). Serious Sam (R): 0 (28-28). KiLLeR? (G): -4 (5-9). scubagit (R): -1 (7-8). Yeti (G): 5 (14-9). MakosTeszta (G): -3 (21-24). mrplow (R): -4 (1-5). KiLLeR (G): -1 (0-1). |
| 14:45:02 | captain_proton | time to go do homework in class |
| 14:45:04 | captain_proton | fun fun fun |
| 15:03:28 | smacnay | Hello, I have bzflag hanging on start with this being the reason: |
| 15:03:35 | smacnay | gettimeofday({1032969368, 229550}, NULL) = 0 |
| 15:03:40 | smacnay | gettimeofday({1032969368, 229550}, NULL) = 0 |
| 15:03:47 | smacnay | gettimeofday({1032969368, 243121}, NULL) = 0 |
| 15:04:06 | smacnay | ioctl(3, 0x541b, [0]) = 0 |
| 15:04:12 | smacnay | select(4, [3], NULL, NULL, {0, 0}) = 0 (Timeout) |
| 15:04:18 | Terminator | huh? |
| 15:04:37 | smacnay | Anyone know what this stuff is in the bzflag startup scheme of things? |
| 15:04:39 | patlabor221 | where do you see that? |
| 15:04:45 | smacnay | Terminator: sorry for the paste... |
| 15:04:54 | smacnay | I did an strace on bzflag |
| 15:04:54 | patlabor221 | it's trying to get the time |
| 15:05:10 | smacnay | From my machine? |
| 15:05:10 | patlabor221 | and it's failing |
| 15:05:14 | patlabor221 | yes |
| 15:05:22 | smacnay | patlabor221: yes, I see that. |
| 15:05:26 | patlabor221 | what os? |
| 15:05:31 | smacnay | debian linux |
| 15:06:05 | patlabor221 | I dono for some reason your time of day funcs are failing. |
| 15:06:45 | smacnay | patlabor221: what do I look at to read about this? I can do a "date" command and get the current time and date. |
| 15:07:33 | patlabor221 | I don't know |
| 15:07:53 | patlabor221 | the people that would proalby know are at class I think. |
| 15:09:13 | smacnay | patlabor221: thanks |
| 15:09:19 | patlabor221 | but it sounds like your missing some lib or something |
| 16:10:02 | m0nkey_b0y | morning |
| 16:10:05 | jzaun | hi |
| 16:10:43 | m0nkey_b0y | whereis doug? |
| 16:10:53 | jzaun | not sure |
| 16:11:22 | patlabor221 | proalby in school |
| 16:11:46 | m0nkey_b0y | re: post on news @stats.bzflag.org.... |
| 16:11:52 | m0nkey_b0y | lighten up dudes! |
| 16:12:40 | m0nkey_b0y | everyone so serious these days about this game. |
| 16:12:48 | jzaun | heh |
| 16:12:51 | jzaun | :) |
| 16:15:00 | sussudio | "subliminal" isnt such a difficult word, is it? |
| 16:15:03 | scanline | is away: me want food |
| 16:38:58 | Cell_prog_insect | in 3d graphics we use 4x4 matrices to transform geometry. Is row number 4 always 0,0,0,1 if we only use all type of series of different 3d transformation and build the 4x4 transform matrix? |
| 16:39:44 | patlabor221 | yes |
| 16:39:49 | Cell_prog_insect | sure? |
| 16:39:53 | scanline | is back (gone 00:24:50) |
| 16:40:03 | patlabor221 | we just make it a 3x4 here since we don't use GL |
| 16:40:31 | Cell_prog_insect | thats what i wanted to do, thats why the question, thank u |
| 16:40:41 | patlabor221 | sure |
| 16:41:11 | patlabor221 | I had to make a function that woudl convert from our matrix class to a GL matrix, and all I did was add that |
| 16:41:35 | Cell_prog_insect | ad 0,0,0,1 or? |
| 16:41:55 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 16:43:21 | patlabor221 | I think I had to reorder the elements too, but that's beacause we stored them the oposet that GL did |
| 16:44:39 | Cell_prog_insect | and if i use a boundingbox and describe it with a Center Point and an Extent Vector, and perform a 3d transform on the whole bbox how do i transform the extent vector, and is it true that i can recunstruct the transformed bbox(transformed corners) using the transformed center and extent to be the same as if had been transforming all the 8 corner poins? |
| 16:45:24 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 16:45:24 | prodan | ibot ducati |
| 16:45:24 | bzbot | bh (R): 2 (21-19). maverick (R): 1 (1-0). Nicson (G): 6 (21-15). M1 (R): -1 (19-20). Zwei (G): 1 (18-17). tom (R): -3 (8-11). |
| 16:45:28 | patlabor221 | you need to rotate the corner, but not translate it |
| 16:45:35 | patlabor221 | and scale it, |
| 16:45:44 | patlabor221 | the CP just gets translated |
| 16:45:55 | patlabor221 | you are just breaking it up into the 2 parts |
| 16:47:00 | Cell_prog_insect | but i want to transform the bbox center and the bbox extent vector i dont want to compute the 8 center points and transform them |
| 16:47:09 | patlabor221 | you don't have to |
| 16:47:24 | patlabor221 | just transform the center by the translation componenet |
| 16:47:31 | Cell_prog_insect | yes |
| 16:47:37 | patlabor221 | and the vector by the rotation and scale compoenent |
| 16:48:21 | patlabor221 | it won't be an axis aligned bbox any more tho |
| 16:48:32 | patlabor221 | it'll be in the Coordinate system of the matrix |
| 16:49:02 | Cell_prog_insect | and then if i reconstruct the transformed bbox corners, they would be the same as if i had recunstructed them first and transformed each one. Is this true for any 3d transformation? |
| 16:49:35 | patlabor221 | well you would need to reconstruc them in the matrix CS |
| 16:49:57 | patlabor221 | every 3d transformation defines a new coordinate system |
| 16:50:09 | Cell_prog_insect | why i have the transformed extent vector |
| 16:50:18 | Cell_prog_insect | ? |
| 16:50:28 | patlabor221 | do you want the box to rotate |
| 16:50:34 | Cell_prog_insect | yes |
| 16:51:34 | patlabor221 | that's why you rotate the the vector |
| 16:51:54 | Cell_prog_insect | its not that obvious to answer |
| 16:51:55 | patlabor221 | ohh no |
| 16:51:59 | patlabor221 | brain not working |
| 16:52:09 | patlabor221 | you don't rotate the vector |
| 16:52:18 | Cell_prog_insect | ? |
| 16:52:25 | patlabor221 | you rotate the points when you rebuild the corners |
| 16:53:12 | Cell_prog_insect | and rotating the vector and rebuilding points would not yeld the same results? |
| 16:53:27 | patlabor221 | nope |
| 16:53:54 | patlabor221 | if you rotate the vecotor you put it into world space |
| 16:54:07 | Cell_prog_insect | i mean rebuilding like in this sample: http://www.magic-software.com/Source/Core3D/MgcBox3.cpp |
| 16:54:13 | patlabor221 | and since the box is no longer axis aligned |
| 16:54:25 | patlabor221 | that vector no longer represetns the extenst of the box. |
| 16:54:49 | patlabor221 | it's now the where the positive corner would be in world space |
| 16:55:17 | Cell_prog_insect | yes |
| 16:55:20 | patlabor221 | sure that's an axis aligned box |
| 16:55:21 | Cell_prog_insect | u are right |
| 16:55:26 | patlabor221 | it's aligned to a CS |
| 16:55:31 | patlabor221 | you need to keep that CS with the box |
| 16:55:47 | Cell_prog_insect | k |
| 16:56:03 | patlabor221 | as soon as you xfom one of the components it's no longer axis aligned |
| 16:56:14 | Cell_prog_insect | so i need tree axis vector + the extent vector + center |
| 16:56:14 | patlabor221 | so I'd just keep the current matrix with the box |
| 16:56:30 | patlabor221 | you need the CS |
| 16:56:33 | patlabor221 | that's ether a matrix |
| 16:56:37 | patlabor221 | or 2 vecotrs |
| 16:56:58 | patlabor221 | you don't need 3 |
| 16:57:04 | Cell_prog_insect | CS = Coordinatesystem ? |
| 16:57:08 | patlabor221 | if you have 2 you can allways get the third |
| 16:57:13 | patlabor221 | cross product and all |
| 16:57:19 | patlabor221 | yes |
| 16:57:23 | Cell_prog_insect | but then i have to do cross product |
| 16:57:27 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 16:57:31 | patlabor221 | they arn't too bad |
| 16:57:42 | patlabor221 | what do you want storage or speed? |
| 16:57:42 | Cell_prog_insect | yes 6mul 3 adds |
| 16:57:56 | Cell_prog_insect | speed |
| 16:58:03 | patlabor221 | then store the matrix |
| 16:58:19 | Cell_prog_insect | instead of the points? |
| 16:58:25 | Cell_prog_insect | corners |
| 16:58:37 | patlabor221 | no instead of the VS vectors |
| 16:58:46 | patlabor221 | hell then you don't even need the center |
| 16:58:50 | patlabor221 | since it's part of the matrix |
| 16:59:49 | Cell_prog_insect | why? |
| 17:03:47 | Cell_prog_insect | oh u mean if i use a 3x4 matrix i can put -Center_x,-Center_y, -Center_Z into the last row to get the center to be 0,0,0 or am i wrong? |
| 17:06:15 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 17:06:25 | patlabor221 | then you don't need the cetnter storage |
| 17:06:49 | Cell_prog_insect | yes ok, thank u |
| 17:07:16 | patlabor221 | since you know that the vecotr is allways fromt he origin of that CS. |
| 17:07:32 | Cell_prog_insect | yes |
| 17:08:31 | bzdoug | can the duron use DDR? |
| 17:11:45 | patlabor221 | yes |
| 17:11:54 | patlabor221 | if the mobo suports it |
| 17:12:00 | patlabor221 | and the k7s5a does |
| 17:12:02 | bzdoug | k |
| 17:12:14 | bzdoug | http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll |
| 17:12:18 | bzdoug | its a duron 1.1 |
| 17:12:22 | bzdoug | aint too fast |
| 17:12:28 | bzdoug | but it might be cheaper... |
| 17:12:50 | patlabor221 | how bout the entire URL there skip |
| 17:12:51 | bzdoug | I am gonna bid up to 90, cuz I can get one off pricewatch for 91 |
| 17:13:02 | Cell_prog_insect | Then i make my Transform class a 3x4 matrix instead of a 4x4 matrix, and i declare the (Matrix4x4) type conversion operator to get a 4x4 Matrix. the 4x4 Matrix has a (float[]) conversion operator which yeld a 16 float array, so i can write: glMatrixMult((float[])((Matrix4x4)aTransform)); looks little bit awful |
| 17:13:02 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 17:13:14 | bzdoug | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2057139635 |
| 17:14:23 | patlabor221 | cell why not make a function that just returns the matrix? |
| 17:14:39 | patlabor221 | like float* Matrix.GetGlMatrix() |
| 17:14:44 | Cell_prog_insect | because opengl wants an float array |
| 17:14:53 | Cell_prog_insect | oh k |
| 17:14:54 | bzdoug | nah, it bid upto $85 and the reserve is still higer |
| 17:14:54 | patlabor221 | no it want's a pointer to a float array |
| 17:15:08 | patlabor221 | it will copy it |
| 17:15:21 | bzdoug | how about this? |
| 17:15:22 | bzdoug | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2056104927 |
| 17:15:43 | patlabor221 | that's not a durron |
| 17:15:43 | Cell_prog_insect | i know but in c# it want a reference to it :), i know |
| 17:15:46 | patlabor221 | that's a tbird |
| 17:15:52 | bzdoug | yea.. |
| 17:15:55 | bzdoug | is that bad? |
| 17:16:06 | patlabor221 | difrent |
| 17:16:13 | bzdoug | I thought a duron was a lowerend tbird |
| 17:16:21 | bzdoug | how diferent? |
| 17:16:23 | patlabor221 | it's a lowerd palamino |
| 17:16:27 | bzdoug | whats the diference? |
| 17:16:29 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 17:16:29 | patlabor221 | and there are some difrences |
| 17:16:33 | patlabor221 | in the internals |
| 17:16:37 | bzdoug | oh |
| 17:16:37 | patlabor221 | I've never used Tbirds |
| 17:16:41 | patlabor221 | so I don't know how they go |
| 17:16:44 | bzdoug | will that matter? |
| 17:16:51 | patlabor221 | I cna't say |
| 17:16:51 | bzdoug | I can upgrade later |
| 17:17:08 | patlabor221 | I have heard more problems with tbirds then durrons and xps |
| 17:17:11 | bzdoug | its only 56 now, but with a researve on it... |
| 17:17:15 | bzdoug | patlabor221: hrm, ok |
| 17:17:38 | bzdoug | has an idea of not ebaying for a motherboard |
| 17:17:56 | patlabor221 | yeah you could just you know "buy one" |
| 17:18:03 | patlabor221 | ebay is not allwasy the best |
| 17:18:05 | bzdoug | yea |
| 17:18:11 | bzdoug | ebays the best for ram though |
| 17:18:19 | patlabor221 | not nesisaraly :) |
| 17:18:20 | bzdoug | and parts |
| 17:18:27 | bzdoug | ok then DDR ram |
| 17:18:28 | patlabor221 | not nesisaraly |
| 17:18:30 | patlabor221 | nope |
| 17:18:39 | patlabor221 | just gotta know where to look |
| 17:18:39 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 17:18:42 | bzdoug | yea |
| 17:18:46 | bzdoug | pricewatch |
| 17:18:48 | patlabor221 | the people selling it had to get it somewhere right? |
| 17:18:57 | bzdoug | hehe |
| 17:18:59 | patlabor221 | they ain't doing this to lose money |
| 17:19:29 | bzdoug | so the most bang for the buck is the XP1700 |
| 17:20:05 | bzdoug | I can get a K7S5A with a XP1700 for 119 |
| 17:20:09 | bzdoug | from online |
| 17:20:20 | patlabor221 | that's what it seems now |
| 17:20:29 | bzdoug | k |
| 17:21:33 | bzdoug | ok... |
| 17:21:38 | bzdoug | http://www.econopc.com/applications/search/itemdetails.asp?sku=MCECXP1700&sc=pr |
| 17:22:07 | bzdoug | oooh, these are the people with 30 dollar shipping |
| 17:22:22 | bzdoug | I "save" 25 bucks, but I loose it all on shipping |
| 17:22:46 | bzdoug | where does pricewatch get the 119 price?? |
| 17:23:21 | patlabor221 | I don't know |
| 17:23:27 | bzdoug | humph |
| 17:23:43 | bzdoug | 135 now with UPS and insurence |
| 17:24:03 | patlabor221 | I think they use lowest posible shiping.; |
| 17:24:05 | bzdoug | I could chop off another 10 for (ugh) USPS shipping with no insurence |
| 17:24:18 | bzdoug | $124.26 |
| 17:24:21 | bzdoug | nope |
| 17:24:24 | patlabor221 | then go somewhere else |
| 17:24:26 | bzdoug | I dunno how they get it |
| 17:25:15 | bzdoug | how about the ECS K7SEM mobo? |
| 17:25:31 | bzdoug | whats a CNR slot? |
| 17:25:49 | sussudio | Crappy Network Riser |
| 17:25:52 | bzdoug | ah |
| 17:26:03 | bzdoug | skips that mobo |
| 17:26:19 | bzdoug | whats AMR sussudio? |
| 17:26:27 | bzdoug | master of all silly names? |
| 17:26:30 | sussudio | it's like, "hey, i could get a NIC for $10...." |
| 17:26:35 | sussudio | audio modem riser |
| 17:26:39 | sussudio | "a real PCI NIC" |
| 17:26:49 | bzdoug | real? |
| 17:26:53 | sussudio | "but..... for $9 i could get an incompatible with anything else AMR NIC!!!!!!!!!" |
| 17:27:00 | bzdoug | YAY!! |
| 17:27:03 | bzdoug | :P |
| 17:27:18 | sussudio | it's also called "WHY DIDNT YOU PUT A FUCKING PCI SLOT THERE INSTEAD" |
| 17:27:24 | patlabor221 | AMR is alike advenced modem riser |
| 17:27:34 | sussudio | patlabor221: no |
| 17:27:44 | bzdoug | sussudio: hehe |
| 17:27:49 | sussudio | my asus k7v manual says audio modem riser |
| 17:27:50 | patlabor221 | yeah audo your right |
| 17:28:05 | sussudio | (and i would have prefered a PCI slot :-P) |
| 17:28:10 | patlabor221 | but it's becease athe mobo chipset does part of the work for it |
| 17:28:15 | patlabor221 | it's a difrent thing |
| 17:28:21 | bzdoug | eh? |
| 17:28:22 | patlabor221 | the card tht goes in there is like $4 |
| 17:28:34 | patlabor221 | there is a modem on the chipset |
| 17:28:41 | sussudio | whoopee |
| 17:28:44 | patlabor221 | that slot just has the components |
| 17:28:44 | sussudio | a modem........ |
| 17:29:02 | patlabor221 | it's a lot cheaper then a PCI slot |
| 17:29:08 | sussudio | i havent used a modem for anything but calling the bank for like 5 years |
| 17:29:09 | patlabor221 | and my mobo has it and 6 slots |
| 17:29:16 | bzdoug | wonders why 3 out of 5 retailers have the SAME freaking checkout page |
| 17:29:23 | bzdoug | its all the same! |
| 17:29:25 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 17:29:26 | bzdoug | humph |
| 17:29:37 | sussudio | retailers ~ from "re-tards" |
| 17:29:39 | patlabor221 | there is a distributor that does the page setup for them |
| 17:29:44 | patlabor221 | they arn't real stores |
| 17:29:46 | bzdoug | they even have the same photos, info about the mobo... |
| 17:29:46 | patlabor221 | net only things |
| 17:29:48 | bzdoug | ah |
| 17:29:55 | patlabor221 | the distributor does the siping and billing |
| 17:30:02 | patlabor221 | the "retailer" just does support |
| 17:30:06 | bzdoug | hehe |
| 17:30:08 | patlabor221 | they offerd us the same deal |
| 17:30:19 | bzdoug | is this a good fan for XP? http://www.partspc.com/media/Fangeneric.gif |
| 17:30:27 | bzdoug | its the default one |
| 17:30:34 | sussudio | you could start your own "Doug's PC Parts"...... |
| 17:30:39 | patlabor221 | looks a bit small |
| 17:30:42 | sussudio | AMR modems for FOUR DOLLAH |
| 17:30:42 | bzdoug | patlabor221: hmm |
| 17:30:46 | patlabor221 | but it should owkr |
| 17:30:53 | bzdoug | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2056573687 |
| 17:30:53 | patlabor221 | that's what we get em for |
| 17:30:56 | bzdoug | how about that one? |
| 17:31:12 | bzdoug | I am the highest bidder for..... 1 CENT!!!! |
| 17:31:13 | patlabor221 | that looks better |
| 17:31:25 | sussudio | i always wondered what the point of an AMR audio card is if you already have onboard audio :-| |
| 17:31:27 | bzdoug | 0.01 DOLLAH! |
| 17:31:37 | sussudio | SOLDAH BOY |
| 17:31:41 | bzdoug | patlabor221: k |
| 17:31:47 | patlabor221 | you can get a digital out on the AMR card for like a 5.1 recever |
| 17:31:50 | patlabor221 | or optical |
| 17:31:57 | bzdoug | patlabor221: cooool |
| 17:32:01 | patlabor221 | or I have even seen RCA |
| 17:32:08 | bzdoug | odd |
| 17:32:15 | bzdoug | sounds like a multipropas thingy |
| 17:32:24 | patlabor221 | and 90% oof the time it's used for the modem |
| 17:32:28 | sussudio | my mobo has digital out |
| 17:32:30 | patlabor221 | a what? |
| 17:32:37 | patlabor221 | some do yes |
| 17:32:40 | bzdoug | multi perpus thingy |
| 17:32:41 | patlabor221 | but not all do |
| 17:32:46 | patlabor221 | it is a MP slot |
| 17:32:51 | bzdoug | whats a core upgrade option? |
| 17:32:58 | patlabor221 | a what? |
| 17:33:02 | sussudio | wants a hardcore upgrade option |
| 17:33:08 | sussudio | hardware pr0n!!!!!!!! |
| 17:33:13 | patlabor221 | dosn't that mean you take it in the ass? |
| 17:33:17 | bzdoug | Diferent Core upgrade options |
| 17:33:19 | sussudio | no |
| 17:33:23 | bzdoug | what is it? |
| 17:33:28 | patlabor221 | I have no clue |
| 17:33:31 | bzdoug | one option: |
| 17:33:34 | sussudio | google? |
| 17:33:37 | patlabor221 | what do they mean by a core |
| 17:33:38 | bzdoug | upgrade to AGOIA |
| 17:33:45 | patlabor221 | where do you see all this? |
| 17:33:51 | bzdoug | on the checkout line thingy |
| 17:33:55 | sussudio | agoia sounds like the sound someone with lung disease makes |
| 17:33:59 | bzdoug | http://www.partspc.com/shop-bin/sc/order.cgi |
| 17:34:02 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 17:34:06 | bzdoug | I bet that wont work |
| 17:34:12 | patlabor221 | doug that's your page Iwon't see it |
| 17:34:20 | patlabor221 | they are just trying to sell you more stuff |
| 17:34:26 | bzdoug | add that ECS mobo combo to it and see it.. |
| 17:34:27 | bzdoug | ok |
| 17:34:34 | bzdoug | 16 bucks... |
| 17:34:40 | patlabor221 | read what it says |
| 17:34:48 | patlabor221 | remember that brain thing you are suposed to have |
| 17:34:49 | bzdoug | it dont say a thing about it |
| 17:35:04 | patlabor221 | then you proalby don't need it |
| 17:35:11 | bzdoug | k |
| 17:35:45 | bzdoug | whats Standard Ground Freight 5-7 Days ? |
| 17:35:54 | bzdoug | its not USPS, cuz thats above it |
| 17:36:02 | patlabor221 | I don't know |
| 17:36:07 | bzdoug | hm |
| 17:36:41 | bzdoug | interesting, they have a platinum insurence thingy: http://www.partspc.com/disclaimer.htm |
| 17:37:23 | sussudio | HOLY FUCKING CRAP |
| 17:37:29 | sussudio | Terratec Digital Xtension "Microwave" |
| 17:37:34 | sussudio | how much do you think this thing costs? |
| 17:37:43 | bzdoug | what does it do? |
| 17:37:48 | sussudio | *shrug* |
| 17:38:12 | sussudio | it's a 5.25" bay of some sorts |
| 17:38:21 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 17:38:25 | bzdoug | where do you see this? |
| 17:38:40 | sussudio | dutch pricewatch thingie |
| 17:38:49 | bzdoug | ugh, ok |
| 17:39:10 | sussudio | let's see if i can find the friggin thing on the terratec site |
| 17:40:16 | sussudio | http://www.terratec.com/products/mwave/mwave_overview.htm |
| 17:40:51 | bzdoug | sounds like a waste of money |
| 17:41:08 | bzdoug | ooh, a coupon code... |
| 17:41:23 | sussudio | it's 650 FRIGGIN DOLLAH |
| 17:41:32 | sussudio | that's like an entire pc |
| 17:41:33 | bzdoug | wow, it is |
| 17:41:41 | bzdoug | sussudio: hm |
| 17:41:58 | patlabor221 | that have XLR in/out? |
| 17:42:08 | sussudio | err i just closed it |
| 17:42:10 | sussudio | probably |
| 17:42:20 | patlabor221 | that is not a wast of money |
| 17:42:23 | sussudio | why |
| 17:42:28 | patlabor221 | that's looks to be a decent synth |
| 17:42:30 | bzdoug | State-of-the-art sound technology from Waldorf combined with the outstanding features of TerraTec’s EWS64 XL PC Audio System - the new microWAVE PC. The microWAVE PC is a 5¼" module ("CD-ROM size") that fits into the drive bay of your computer. It replaces the front panel module that comes with the EWS64 XL and adds powerful synthesizer features based on Waldorf’s innovative microWAVE II wavetable synthesizer. |
| 17:42:40 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 17:42:43 | bzdoug | : 44 adjustable "knobs" for the manipulation of sounds and several!!!! |
| 17:42:47 | bzdoug | 44! |
| 17:43:05 | patlabor221 | if you were a musican that did lots of midi that adds a fair amount of stuff |
| 17:43:19 | bzdoug | hmm, I guess so |
| 17:43:27 | sussudio | doug just wants things with little knobs |
| 17:43:31 | bzdoug | would be cheaper to buy an instrament |
| 17:43:33 | patlabor221 | if it replaces a keyboard |
| 17:43:41 | patlabor221 | it dosn't have real knobs |
| 17:43:45 | patlabor221 | they are software |
| 17:43:47 | sussudio | hm |
| 17:43:48 | bzdoug | oh |
| 17:43:54 | sussudio | i'd expect real knobs for 650 D |
| 17:44:07 | bzdoug | wonders where the 119 is on this webistr |
| 17:44:10 | patlabor221 | not likely |
| 17:44:17 | patlabor221 | have you ever seen a real mixer board? |
| 17:44:20 | sussudio | i was looking if someone actually sold the damn AMR audio things |
| 17:44:29 | patlabor221 | they are rare |
| 17:44:36 | sussudio | i cant find any |
| 17:44:46 | bzdoug | sussudio: get a SBlive card instead |
| 17:44:48 | patlabor221 | I can check our distributors |
| 17:45:07 | sussudio | bzdoug: nuh. that would be creative. |
| 17:45:13 | patlabor221 | for most people internal audio is usaly ok |
| 17:45:24 | patlabor221 | and your only other ral choice is Turtle beach |
| 17:45:27 | bzdoug | what DOES it do? |
| 17:45:38 | patlabor221 | that front pannel thing? |
| 17:45:41 | bzdoug | I thought all the sound stuff is on the mobo |
| 17:45:47 | bzdoug | no, the AMR |
| 17:45:53 | patlabor221 | it adds aditonal outputs |
| 17:45:58 | bzdoug | thats it... |
| 17:46:00 | patlabor221 | and maybe inputs |
| 17:46:01 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 17:46:05 | patlabor221 | it's just a conector |
| 17:46:14 | bzdoug | and all the processing in on the mobo... |
| 17:46:16 | bzdoug | bah |
| 17:46:17 | patlabor221 | yes |
| 17:46:48 | bzdoug | has a PCMCIA card with a XJACK connector |
| 17:46:53 | bzdoug | really slick |
| 17:48:31 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 17:49:06 | bzdoug | bah |
| 17:49:16 | bzdoug | the cheapest I can get it in real life is 129 |
| 17:50:06 | sussudio | whoa |
| 17:50:13 | sussudio | thousand dollah terratec thing |
| 17:51:08 | sussudio | http://www.terratec.net/products/car/nav_car.htm |
| 17:51:57 | bzdoug | grins |
| 17:52:13 | bzdoug | 10 bucks for a AMR modem |
| 17:52:14 | sussudio | grump why dont they just say how big the internal harddisk is |
| 17:52:19 | sussudio | what the hell is "540 hours of music" |
| 17:52:27 | bzdoug | haha |
| 17:52:36 | patlabor221 | prolaby uses it's own compression |
| 17:52:39 | bzdoug | well, if you encode it to 24 kbs |
| 17:52:53 | sussudio | Recording capacity of at least 540 hours (MP3 files with 128 KB/s) |
| 17:53:08 | patlabor221 | 1.1 megs a min |
| 17:53:10 | bzdoug | then figure it out smart guy |
| 17:53:10 | patlabor221 | at 128 |
| 17:53:13 | patlabor221 | ish |
| 17:53:24 | | 594 |
| 17:53:24 | bzdoug | ibot 540 times 1.1 |
| 17:53:26 | sussudio | 10 gig? |
| 17:53:32 | bzdoug | eh |
| 17:53:39 | bzdoug | thinks thats wrong |
| 17:53:50 | patlabor221 | it's prolably a 650 or someting |
| 17:53:56 | | 9 |
| 17:53:56 | bzdoug | ibot 540 / 60 |
| 17:53:57 | sussudio | 30? |
| 17:54:08 | patlabor221 | ohh hours |
| 17:54:11 | | 32400 |
| 17:54:11 | bzdoug | ibot 540 times 60 |
| 17:54:21 | | 35640 |
| 17:54:21 | bzdoug | ibot 32400 times 1.1 |
| 17:54:25 | bzdoug | there ya go |
| 17:54:31 | patlabor221 | 35 gig drive |
| 17:54:32 | bzdoug | 35 giger |
| 17:54:35 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 17:54:40 | bzdoug | likes ibot |
| 17:54:44 | patlabor221 | proalby a 40 |
| 17:54:48 | patlabor221 | cheaper |
| 17:54:54 | [BZ]Ruudi | hi |
| 17:54:56 | sussudio | maybe 35 fake gigs |
| 17:54:59 | bzdoug | yea, - operating sys and stuff |
| 17:55:12 | [BZ]Ruudi | my goeash who have seen southpark osama bin laden part :? |
| 17:55:15 | patlabor221 | doug it proalby don't have one |
| 17:55:17 | patlabor221 | formating |
| 17:55:22 | patlabor221 | and a pad |
| 17:55:25 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 17:55:40 | bzdoug | wonders how many have repartitioned it to 40 gig |
| 17:56:26 | sussudio | [BZ]Ruudi: that was last season |
| 17:56:40 | [BZ]Ruudi | dunno when it was |
| 17:56:44 | patlabor221 | if it dosn't have a standard OS, like someting on a rom, then proalby none |
| 17:56:48 | patlabor221 | just get one of these |
| 17:56:49 | patlabor221 | http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/computing/5a98.shtml |
| 17:56:52 | [BZ]Ruudi | just watchin it it's allmost fun :)) |
| 17:57:02 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 17:57:15 | patlabor221 | and have it do what ever you want |
| 17:57:18 | bzdoug | interesting |
| 17:58:27 | [BZ]Ruudi | steve nix hmm who's that |
| 17:58:59 | bzdoug | ordered a new mobo |
| 17:59:09 | bzdoug | grins and wonders away |
| 17:59:33 | bzdoug | is away: shcool |
| 18:35:23 | Terminator | hi |
| 18:35:32 | Terminator | cant stay for very long |
| 18:42:44 | scanline | is away: class |
| 18:46:18 | doughecka | grins at the OP |
| 18:47:34 | sussudio | anyone want to have a go at sussudio.dyndns.org:5155 ? |
| 18:48:15 | doughecka | sure |
| 18:53:07 | sussudio | :-P |
| 18:53:16 | doughecka | haha |
| 18:53:25 | doughecka | checks the scores for bot1 |
| 18:54:21 | doughecka | ouch |
| 18:54:26 | doughecka | highscore 0 |
| 18:54:30 | doughecka | lowscore 71 |
| 18:54:32 | doughecka | bad bot |
| 18:54:37 | doughecka | bots dont like lasers I guess |
| 18:54:44 | doughecka | anyway... |
| 18:55:26 | doughecka | is away: shcool |
| 20:48:54 | | bomber was last seen on #bzflag 6 days, 5 hours, 47 minutes and 30 seconds ago, saying: have to go...bye [Thu Sep 19 16:01:24 2002] |
| 20:48:54 | prodan | ibot seen bomber |
| 20:49:07 | | [TeA] was last seen on #bzflag 1 days, 2 hours, 31 minutes and 10 seconds ago, saying: ibot ducati [Tue Sep 24 19:17:57 2002] |
| 20:49:07 | prodan | ibot seen [TeA] |
| 20:49:46 | | everybody is nothing but an elf-skinned bucket of headless dog vomit. |
| 20:49:46 | prodan | ibot insult everybody |
| 20:50:14 | prodan | hops into bed |
| 21:03:02 | captain_proton | this is so cool, my script actually works |
| 21:04:32 | doughecka | for... |
| 21:04:51 | captain_proton | emailling users when their files get too old |
| 21:04:57 | doughecka | neat |
| 21:05:01 | doughecka | for windows? |
| 21:05:06 | doughecka | snickers |
| 21:05:12 | captain_proton | riiight, for windows |
| 21:05:13 | captain_proton | of course |
| 21:05:36 | doughecka | has a script running right now |
| 21:05:47 | doughecka | its a python script I wrote myslef |
| 21:05:58 | doughecka | its very neat |
| 21:06:21 | doughecka | it counts from 0 to however high I let it go to |
| 21:06:29 | patlabor221 | ohh that's usefull |
| 21:06:46 | doughecka | and it using 100% of CPU power |
| 21:06:51 | doughecka | patlabor221: it IS! |
| 21:07:17 | patlabor221 | ohh I can use 100% of the CPU in more interesting ways |
| 21:07:24 | doughecka | oh? |
| 21:07:26 | doughecka | :p |
| 21:07:41 | patlabor221 | and I mean 100% not just that mamby pamby task manager 100% |
| 21:07:50 | doughecka | hehe |
| 21:07:59 | doughecka | I could riase the prioritys... |
| 21:08:01 | patlabor221 | can you say driver level process |
| 21:08:06 | doughecka | ooh |
| 21:08:14 | doughecka | kernal type stuff? :P |
| 21:08:16 | patlabor221 | then you'd never get yout |
| 21:08:17 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 21:08:23 | patlabor221 | OS wouldn't get any time |
| 21:08:27 | doughecka | hmm |
| 21:08:30 | doughecka | wait |
| 21:08:34 | doughecka | python is using 50 % |
| 21:08:42 | patlabor221 | whus |
| 21:08:46 | doughecka | and CSrSS is useing the other 49% |
| 21:08:56 | doughecka | whats CSRSS? |
| 21:09:11 | patlabor221 | a virus |
| 21:09:19 | doughecka | has 43 processes running, more than a server does |
| 21:09:35 | doughecka | glares at captain_proton |
| 21:09:36 | doughecka | a windows server |
| 21:09:48 | patlabor221 | depends on what the server is doing |
| 21:09:50 | doughecka | whats bridgeDeCor.exe? |
| 21:10:08 | patlabor221 | a virus |
| 21:10:15 | doughecka | riiight |
| 21:10:27 | patlabor221 | it ain't no standard process |
| 21:10:29 | doughecka | ooh, never set anything to realtime |
| 21:10:35 | patlabor221 | therefor it is is suspect |
| 21:10:36 | doughecka | patlabor221: hmm |
| 21:11:20 | doughecka | wonders what would happen if he sets the System Idle Process to realtime |
| 21:11:30 | patlabor221 | it is realtime |
| 21:11:36 | doughecka | hmm |
| 21:11:38 | patlabor221 | it's just very friendly |
| 21:11:45 | doughecka | haha |
| 21:11:46 | doughecka | k |
| 21:11:50 | patlabor221 | no realy |
| 21:12:02 | patlabor221 | it's designed to just check for other stuff |
| 21:12:03 | doughecka | how about the System? |
| 21:12:12 | patlabor221 | should be the same |
| 21:12:15 | doughecka | hmm |
| 21:12:19 | patlabor221 | all thekernal stuff shuold be |
| 21:12:24 | doughecka | IEEXPLORE? |
| 21:12:32 | patlabor221 | virus. |
| 21:12:37 | doughecka | ah, |
| 21:12:44 | doughecka | ends that process |
| 21:12:45 | patlabor221 | sometimes I set the divx stuff to realtime |
| 21:12:57 | doughecka | patlabor221: dont that crash the comp? |
| 21:13:02 | patlabor221 | no |
| 21:13:06 | doughecka | I tried it, and it froze everyhitng up |
| 21:13:11 | patlabor221 | as it should |
| 21:13:14 | patlabor221 | the OS has no time |
| 21:13:17 | patlabor221 | so it dosn't update |
| 21:13:20 | doughecka | hm |
| 21:13:23 | patlabor221 | looks like a crash |
| 21:13:30 | doughecka | oh |
| 21:13:31 | patlabor221 | just have to let it end |
| 21:13:37 | doughecka | how do you set it back? |
| 21:13:41 | patlabor221 | you don't |
| 21:13:53 | patlabor221 | when the encoder ends, it kills the process |
| 21:13:58 | doughecka | ah |
| 21:14:00 | doughecka | neat |
| 21:14:11 | patlabor221 | that's why it has that little priority thing |
| 21:14:13 | doughecka | but I use the comp while encoding stuff |
| 21:14:25 | patlabor221 | then you proalby don't want to do that |
| 21:14:30 | doughecka | hmm |
| 21:14:31 | doughecka | high? |
| 21:14:34 | doughecka | very high? |
| 21:14:37 | patlabor221 | I encode while I work by seting it to idle |
| 21:14:49 | patlabor221 | anything over idle makes the computer slow down noticably |
| 21:14:51 | doughecka | ah, ok |
| 21:15:01 | patlabor221 | very high is more then normal apps |
| 21:15:07 | patlabor221 | so they will get less time |
| 21:15:09 | doughecka | wow, my script is up to 1023567 |
| 21:15:16 | doughecka | k |
| 21:15:27 | patlabor221 | it will stop at 2^32 proalby |
| 21:15:30 | doughecka | :P |
| 21:15:37 | doughecka | I am gonna let it run overnight |
| 21:15:48 | patlabor221 | or proalby 2^31 |
| 21:15:56 | doughecka | dont it use the Floating point thingy? |
| 21:16:03 | patlabor221 | I don't know |
| 21:16:03 | doughecka | so its not really using 100% |
| 21:16:05 | doughecka | hmm |
| 21:16:06 | patlabor221 | it may |
| 21:16:09 | doughecka | k |
| 21:16:15 | doughecka | yay, dinner time |
| 21:16:15 | patlabor221 | if you can do stuff, then no |
| 21:16:21 | doughecka | k |
| 21:16:42 | doughecka | is away: dinnah time! |
| 21:48:54 | doughecka | is back |
| 21:54:56 | jzaun | is here. All may rejoice :-P |
| 21:55:23 | doughecka | grins |
| 21:55:45 | jzaun | punches doughecka for grinning |
| 21:55:50 | jzaun | Hello MrName |
| 21:56:16 | doughecka | punches jzaun for punching me for grining |
| 21:56:56 | MrName | hi jzaun |
| 21:56:56 | jzaun | knocks doughecka out cold for punching me for punging him for grinning. |
| 21:57:06 | doughecka | ducks |
| 21:57:36 | jzaun | whats up with you two? |
| 21:57:45 | doughecka | brings up his shields |
| 21:58:24 | sussudio | yawns |
| 21:58:37 | doughecka | punches sussudio for yawning |
| 21:58:47 | jzaun | heh.. |
| 21:59:03 | sussudio | sues doughecka for ONE MILLION DOLLAH |
| 21:59:26 | doughecka | sues sussudio TWO MILLION DOLLAH for sueing me |
| 21:59:48 | jzaun | As the judge in the case betweeb sussudio and doughecka, I say sussudio wins and doughecka's counter claim is thrown out |
| 22:00:15 | sussudio | anyone for laser hell? |
| 22:00:43 | sussudio | sussudio.dyndns.org:5155 :-P |
| 22:01:11 | doughecka | sues jzaun for that statement |
| 22:01:14 | doughecka | sussudio: sure |
| 22:09:45 | sussudio | murp |
| 22:10:06 | sussudio | make mohdulez |
| 22:12:07 | sussudio | hmm i just vacuumed up something big and black |
| 22:12:18 | jzaun | a sock? |
| 22:12:22 | sussudio | no |
| 22:12:24 | jzaun | a roach? |
| 22:12:25 | doughecka | his brain |
| 22:12:27 | sussudio | more like uber-roach |
| 22:14:40 | sussudio | argh what's the fucking mixer device for an opti 924 |
| 22:18:04 | bzgirl | hello |
| 22:18:12 | sussudio | lo |
| 22:18:22 | doughecka | li! |
| 22:18:54 | sussudio | NI |
| 22:19:12 | doughecka | we are the knights that say ni! |
| 22:34:49 | doughecka | jhmm |
| 22:35:01 | doughecka | how do I download a whole website including the files? |
| 22:35:08 | doughecka | like exes and stuff |
| 22:35:24 | doughecka | all I need is a single dir, but I cant seem to download the files |
| 22:35:28 | patlabor221 | websnake |
| 22:35:33 | doughecka | websnake.. ok |
| 22:36:01 | patlabor221 | that will get all the files that are linked on the page |
| 22:36:03 | patlabor221 | and all the pages |
| 22:36:07 | patlabor221 | and all the pictures |
| 22:36:08 | doughecka | ok.. |
| 22:36:12 | patlabor221 | and all the stylesheets |
| 22:36:14 | doughecka | and the exe files? |
| 22:36:31 | patlabor221 | are they linked on the pages? |
| 22:36:42 | sussudio | wget -m |
| 22:36:47 | doughecka | -m? |
| 22:36:48 | doughecka | ok |
| 22:36:52 | doughecka | lemme try that |
| 22:36:56 | doughecka | patlabor221: no |
| 22:36:57 | patlabor221 | that's FTP isn't it? |
| 22:37:01 | sussudio | no |
| 22:37:05 | doughecka | patlabor221: its in a directory |
| 22:37:14 | patlabor221 | windows has wget? |
| 22:37:19 | sussudio | yes |
| 22:37:21 | doughecka | yea |
| 22:37:23 | sussudio | unxtools.zip |
| 22:37:26 | doughecka | hehe |
| 22:37:37 | patlabor221 | ahhh |
| 22:37:50 | patlabor221 | what if the dir dosn't allow listing |
| 22:37:55 | doughecka | it does |
| 22:38:11 | patlabor221 | what if it dosn't? |
| 22:38:24 | doughecka | but its full of dirs and stuff, and I dont want to download dir after dir full other dirs full of files |
| 22:38:39 | patlabor221 | that was not my question |
| 22:38:45 | patlabor221 | my question is abou wget |
| 22:38:59 | patlabor221 | what if the dirs don't have listing can it still be used? |
| 22:39:05 | doughecka | oh |
| 22:39:06 | sussudio | wget has access to the same stuff a browser has. your question is redundant. |
| 22:39:06 | doughecka | I dunno |
| 22:39:15 | doughecka | -1 |
| 22:39:17 | patlabor221 | that's what I wanted to know |
| 22:39:25 | sussudio | wget doesnt do magic |
| 22:39:33 | patlabor221 | I didn't think so |
| 22:39:42 | patlabor221 | but I don't know how web servers worked |
| 22:39:47 | patlabor221 | so I figured I'd ask |
| 22:40:31 | doughecka | woo, there it goes |
| 22:40:36 | doughecka | websnake seems to work OK |
| 22:40:52 | doughecka | ahh |
| 22:40:53 | doughecka | nope |
| 22:41:39 | patlabor221 | screw thos things now that I know about wget |
| 22:41:44 | patlabor221 | nice and simple |
| 22:41:56 | patlabor221 | shouts CLEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 22:41:59 | doughecka | ? |
| 22:42:11 | doughecka | then tell me how to get dirs.. |
| 22:44:34 | doughecka | BAH] |
| 22:44:40 | doughecka | I NEED to get these files off |
| 22:45:37 | sussudio | wget -m SOLDIER BOY |
| 22:45:47 | doughecka | hey |
| 22:45:56 | doughecka | I NEED to get these files off |
| 22:46:13 | patlabor221 | not workin for ya? |
| 22:46:17 | doughecka | NO! |
| 22:46:29 | doughecka | I cant get the files! |
| 22:47:07 | doughecka | its just getting the html and images |
| 22:47:12 | doughecka | it wont follow te dirs |
| 22:47:25 | patlabor221 | wget? |
| 22:47:31 | doughecka | nope |
| 22:47:36 | doughecka | it gets te html fils too |
| 22:47:52 | patlabor221 | why don't you use wget? |
| 22:48:00 | doughecka | I am using wget |
| 22:48:23 | patlabor221 | then why did you say nope |
| 22:48:31 | doughecka | cuz it dont work |
| 22:49:02 | patlabor221 | I don't know if the snakes support just a raw dir browse |
| 22:49:18 | doughecka | well, thats what I need |
| 22:49:28 | patlabor221 | why dosn't wget work? |
| 22:49:39 | doughecka | it just gets the html |
| 22:49:50 | doughecka | and does not go deep enuf into the folders |
| 22:50:00 | patlabor221 | there seemed to be options |
| 22:50:10 | patlabor221 | what is this place that you NEED to strip clean |
| 22:50:29 | patlabor221 | and why don't you have FTP asscess |
| 22:50:37 | doughecka | hmm |
| 22:51:41 | patlabor221 | someone gonna find your porn collection?" |
| 22:51:49 | doughecka | no |
| 22:51:55 | doughecka | its acrobat plugins |
| 22:52:13 | patlabor221 | there are other snake programs |
| 22:52:24 | patlabor221 | wget has a lot of options |
| 22:52:30 | doughecka | dont work |
| 22:52:56 | smacnay | I must say that I prefer 1.7e4 - much better fps with the older hud. |
| 22:55:02 | patlabor221 | doug what is the URL |
| 22:55:27 | doughecka | I am emailing him now for FTP access, but hes in germany |
| 22:56:06 | patlabor221 | URL? |
| 22:56:42 | patlabor221 | knew it had to be warez |
| 22:56:50 | doughecka | it aint warez |
| 22:56:54 | doughecka | its a "back up" |
| 22:57:00 | patlabor221 | aka Warex |
| 22:57:23 | doughecka | heh |
| 22:57:34 | doughecka | hes got a mac, and its filling up his server |
| 22:57:44 | doughecka | but he dont want to delete it |
| 22:58:28 | patlabor221 | WAREZZZZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 22:58:49 | doughecka | glares at patlabor221 and coughs |
| 22:59:02 | patlabor221 | what, I didn't say I didn't aprove |
| 22:59:07 | doughecka | wonders if patlabor221 is sooooo anti warez |
| 22:59:10 | patlabor221 | I just like pointng out the obvious |
| 22:59:12 | doughecka | :P |
| 22:59:20 | doughecka | hehe |
| 22:59:37 | patlabor221 | but dude, leaching is not cool |
| 22:59:50 | warezd00d | anyone know the serial for bzflag? |
| 23:00:00 | doughecka | ? |
| 23:00:02 | patlabor221 | doug shut ip |
| 23:00:05 | doughecka | leaching? |
| 23:00:15 | patlabor221 | sucking down an entire site |
| 23:00:29 | doughecka | all I need is the files |
| 23:00:33 | doughecka | he wants the files off |
| 23:00:49 | doughecka | and he wants us to hold the files |
| 23:00:59 | doughecka | he dont care if he suck them off or not |
| 23:01:05 | patlabor221 | then why does he not zip them and send them to you |
| 23:01:20 | doughecka | dunno, hes too busy |
| 23:01:48 | patlabor221 | then look for another leacher |
| 23:02:01 | doughecka | I downloaded lots of them |
| 23:02:06 | doughecka | none of them work |
| 23:02:24 | patlabor221 | they arn't designed to work with directory browsing then |
| 23:02:36 | doughecka | know of any that do? |
| 23:02:45 | patlabor221 | save the pages as HTML |
| 23:02:49 | patlabor221 | then leaach those |
| 23:03:05 | doughecka | ? |
| 23:03:20 | patlabor221 | the leachers want HTML right |
| 23:03:25 | doughecka | yea |
| 23:03:29 | patlabor221 | save the pages of the dirs off as HTML |
| 23:03:33 | patlabor221 | put them somwhere |
| 23:03:40 | patlabor221 | and have the leachers use those |
| 23:03:43 | doughecka | hm |
| 23:17:58 | doughecka | hmm |
