| 00:08:22 | doughecka | She kinna take it anymore, captain! She's gonna blow! |
| 00:22:01 | doughecka | heya Patlabor221 |
| 00:22:41 | Patlabor221 | jello |
| 00:24:07 | doughecka | your at work? |
| 00:24:19 | Patlabor221 | jees |
| 00:24:35 | doughecka | ah |
| 00:27:16 | Patlabor221 | there is a 95% chance that the drive will leave this state tomrow |
| 00:27:28 | doughecka | ooooh |
| 00:27:37 | doughecka | neat! |
| 00:27:39 | doughecka | :) |
| 00:28:04 | doughecka | thanks Patlabor221 profusly |
| 00:28:51 | Patlabor221 | it is no longet in the truck |
| 00:29:00 | Patlabor221 | it's on the desk in a box even |
| 00:29:07 | doughecka | haha |
| 00:29:12 | mandy | hihihi |
| 00:29:14 | Patlabor221 | I htink I lost cap's drive tho |
| 00:29:19 | doughecka | oh? |
| 00:29:28 | Patlabor221 | or I grabed teh wrong one |
| 00:29:28 | doughecka | glances at captain_proton |
| 00:29:34 | Patlabor221 | it was just a CRDW tho |
| 00:30:00 | doughecka | bummer |
| 00:30:24 | doughecka | grins and wonders back into unreal |
| 00:30:52 | Patlabor221 | ohh I'm sure that it's somewhere |
| 00:31:13 | doughecka | yea... |
| 00:31:21 | doughecka | hmm |
| 00:31:27 | doughecka | bots are lots of fun |
| 00:31:41 | doughecka | its great playing with 9 bots |
| 00:31:47 | Patlabor221 | try 15 |
| 00:31:48 | doughecka | when 8 of them are on your team |
| 00:31:51 | doughecka | HAHA |
| 00:31:53 | Patlabor221 | on hall of ginats |
| 00:31:57 | mandy | jumps up and down |
| 00:32:03 | Patlabor221 | with the piniata mod |
| 00:32:19 | mandy | stops |
| 00:32:20 | doughecka | ? |
| 00:32:22 | mandy | hmm |
| 00:32:26 | doughecka | I never seen those mods yet |
| 00:32:34 | doughecka | I have yet to get mods |
| 00:32:44 | doughecka | exept for the aircraft mod |
| 00:33:05 | Patlabor221 | get tehm from fileplanet |
| 00:33:06 | doughecka | hmm |
| 00:33:10 | doughecka | ok |
| 00:33:14 | doughecka | do I need them? |
| 00:33:19 | doughecka | wont it download the mods? |
| 00:33:25 | doughecka | when you connect? |
| 00:33:43 | doughecka | I connected to a server, and it downloaded a mod for me, I tihnk |
| 00:33:56 | Patlabor221 | it will |
| 00:34:01 | doughecka | ah |
| 00:34:02 | doughecka | neat |
| 00:34:05 | doughecka | but its slow... |
| 00:36:31 | doughecka | hmmmm |
| 00:36:35 | doughecka | opengl unreal... |
| 00:36:36 | doughecka | neat |
| 00:42:14 | Patlabor221 | DX is usualy better |
| 00:42:21 | Patlabor221 | but your resulsts may vary |
| 00:42:45 | doughecka | hm |
| 00:44:45 | mandy | bye all |
| 00:46:12 | doughecka | bah |
| 00:46:21 | doughecka | I aint waiting 92 min for a mod |
| 00:51:37 | Patlabor221 | welcome to FPS world |
| 00:51:55 | Patlabor221 | just que them all up and let them go piniata mutiloar rocks |
| 00:53:01 | doughecka | heh |
| 00:53:25 | doughecka | bah, I spend all this time downloading a map, and then it says conenction failed |
| 00:54:53 | Patlabor221 | that can happen |
| 00:55:13 | Widget | . |
| 00:55:13 | Widget | .. |
| 00:55:14 | Widget | ... |
| 00:55:16 | Widget | .... |
| 00:55:17 | Widget | ..... |
| 00:55:19 | Widget | .... |
| 00:55:20 | Widget | ... |
| 00:55:21 | Widget | .. |
| 00:55:22 | Widget | . |
| 00:55:28 | Patlabor221 | SKI JUMP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 00:55:33 | jzaun | :) |
| 00:56:35 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: explain yourself |
| 00:57:12 | Patlabor221 | I am a carbon based bag of mostly water |
| 00:57:17 | Patlabor221 | is that good enought? |
| 00:57:28 | captain_proton | <Patlabor221> I htink I lost cap's drive tho |
| 00:57:44 | Patlabor221 | ohhh I grabed what I thought was it |
| 00:57:49 | Patlabor221 | but it was a CDRW |
| 00:57:58 | Patlabor221 | I thing I just grabed the wrong one |
| 00:58:08 | Patlabor221 | as I saw antoher drive still in the car |
| 00:58:27 | Patlabor221 | I was geting ready to ship them today |
| 00:58:49 | Patlabor221 | I don't know where CDR came from tho |
| 00:59:29 | Patlabor221 | sad that I have hardware that I don't know where it came from |
| 00:59:50 | Patlabor221 | I don't even know what to do with it |
| 00:59:58 | captain_proton | how fast is the CDRW? ;) |
| 01:00:03 | Patlabor221 | I dono |
| 01:00:07 | Patlabor221 | prialby like 8 ish |
| 01:00:38 | Patlabor221 | why? how fast is your current one? |
| 01:02:55 | captain_proton | 8-8-4-40 :) |
| 01:03:06 | Patlabor221 | that is too many numbers |
| 01:03:17 | captain_proton | combo |
| 01:03:21 | Patlabor221 | ahhhh |
| 01:03:29 | Patlabor221 | I have a 6er one of those |
| 01:03:39 | Patlabor221 | we don't get many combos here |
| 01:05:22 | Patlabor221 | do you want another one? |
| 01:05:30 | Patlabor221 | there may be some 12's |
| 01:06:16 | Patlabor221 | I could problaby be convinced to find one if I could get some help libertating the contenets of Scanline's Navi pulbic folder :) |
| 01:06:44 | scanline | Patlabor221: I'm pretty sure rsync still works |
| 01:06:59 | Patlabor221 | how do you use that? |
| 01:07:08 | scanline | RTFM :) |
| 01:07:15 | Patlabor221 | IDHTFM |
| 01:07:27 | Patlabor221 | not here at least |
| 01:07:35 | scanline | UTFG |
| 01:07:43 | Patlabor221 | FG? |
| 01:07:51 | scanline | Use The Fucking Google |
| 01:08:08 | Patlabor221 | there is a google for pR0n? |
| 01:08:36 | Patlabor221 | but if you need a CDRW I can put one in the box |
| 01:08:41 | Patlabor221 | ether of you |
| 01:09:37 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: gimme the specs, my roommate could use something |
| 01:09:41 | Patlabor221 | ohhh like secure web with resume |
| 01:10:02 | Patlabor221 | I'll look at it at work |
| 01:10:10 | Patlabor221 | well the other work |
| 01:10:10 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: if its more than 4-4-something ;) |
| 01:10:16 | Patlabor221 | it's at least a 6 |
| 01:10:19 | Patlabor221 | proalby an 8 |
| 01:10:31 | Patlabor221 | perhaps a 12 |
| 01:10:44 | Patlabor221 | scanline you need one? |
| 01:11:00 | Patlabor221 | too bad I can't get the 32x ones, those are nice |
| 01:11:05 | scanline | not really.. I have a 12x, it's good enough for me |
| 01:11:12 | Patlabor221 | k |
| 01:11:23 | Patlabor221 | DVD Rom? |
| 01:11:39 | captain_proton | dvd+rw or dvd-rw is idea ;) |
| 01:11:39 | Patlabor221 | that's all I can realy get for free now tho |
| 01:11:43 | captain_proton | ideal* |
| 01:11:51 | Patlabor221 | just got that last RAM |
| 01:12:02 | Patlabor221 | I wish I had RWs |
| 01:12:26 | Patlabor221 | still the RAM is 4.5ish gigs per side |
| 01:12:29 | Patlabor221 | takes carts tho |
| 01:13:06 | captain_proton | ewe |
| 01:13:27 | Patlabor221 | well we have CDR/DVDRW combos here but they are not in the "take this crap and give it to your frineds" shelf |
| 01:13:50 | Patlabor221 | the RAM will read reglar CDs and DVDs |
| 01:14:25 | captain_proton | <Patlabor221> takes carts tho <-- like a cd caddy? |
| 01:15:05 | Patlabor221 | well the DVDRAMS are in carts like the caddys |
| 01:15:21 | Patlabor221 | but it takes regular disks with out a caddy |
| 01:15:29 | Patlabor221 | rather interesting loading mechinsm realy |
| 01:16:38 | Patlabor221 | but yeah all the RAMS are in the carts |
| 01:16:50 | Patlabor221 | it's the Rs and RWs that aren't |
| 01:26:22 | Patlabor221 | ofta that guy with the winX crash bug is runing acient drivers. |
| 01:26:59 | Patlabor221 | like 21.xx series |
| 01:33:29 | doughecka | is back |
| 01:33:32 | doughecka | sooo |
| 01:33:57 | doughecka | is away: bed |
| 01:34:07 | Patlabor221 | well that was productive |
| 01:34:22 | doughecka | pff |
| 01:34:34 | doughecka | is really away: bed |
| 02:22:36 | lurgyman | skranky |
| 02:25:15 | captain_proton | scanline has been mysteriously quiet |
| 02:25:32 | scanline | trying to do Operating Systems class stuff... |
| 02:26:02 | captain_proton | need me to describe the difference between processes and threads? ;) |
| 02:26:09 | scanline | my card to get into the labs is being stubborn, and I can't access the class's servers from this network.. the assignment requires win32 stuff, so I'll probably just use mingw32 under VMware and email my stuff to the TA |
| 02:26:28 | captain_proton | i can help with the card situation |
| 02:26:33 | scanline | captain_proton: oh hush.. the assignment looks painfully simple, but I can't get into their remote windows machine |
| 02:26:44 | captain_proton | 'tis mah job |
| 02:26:49 | scanline | hehe |
| 02:26:56 | scanline | I tried re-submitting that card webform... |
| 02:27:01 | scanline | so maybe in 30 minutes my card will work |
| 02:27:10 | captain_proton | card 8285? |
| 02:27:25 | scanline | checks |
| 02:27:39 | scanline | yep |
| 02:27:44 | scanline | you csops people scare me :) |
| 02:27:58 | captain_proton | grins |
| 02:28:19 | captain_proton | looks at scanline's webform |
| 02:28:20 | scanline | I never really needed to use the labs last year.. it was all POSIX-ish stuff, so I could do it on Yoshi |
| 02:28:36 | scanline | but now they want it in VC++ ... grumble... |
| 02:28:56 | captain_proton | your card is active...what room do you need access to? |
| 02:29:12 | scanline | the linux lab in the classroom wing.. I think it's 1B51 |
| 02:30:01 | scanline | They have us rdesktop into a windows machine from that lab.. it's sick, especially since that server seems to be firewalled from resnet |
| 02:30:22 | captain_proton | hmm, your access to that lab expired 2-2002 |
| 02:30:38 | scanline | I figured that cardform.html page would renew it... |
| 02:30:46 | scanline | hmm |
| 02:30:54 | lurgyman | permission 4DENIED15 |
| 02:31:09 | captain_proton | the cardform just sends a request to the trouble queue |
| 02:31:12 | scanline | there's always mingw32 and vmware :) |
| 02:31:28 | lurgyman | pea queue arrr |
| 02:33:58 | captain_proton | done |
| 02:34:09 | scanline | captain_proton: should it work right away? |
| 02:34:26 | captain_proton | if i understand the setup, yes |
| 02:34:32 | scanline | cool.. I'm off to try it, thanks |
| 02:37:42 | lurgyman | you're welcome |
| 02:38:00 | lurgyman | glad i could be of assistance |
| 02:38:11 | lurgyman | as they should |
| 02:40:14 | scan[lab] | captain_proton: thanks, works now :) |
| 02:40:43 | captain_proton | bows low |
| 02:40:48 | lurgyman | <--- captain_proton has quit ("Client Exiting") |
| 02:41:00 | Eisbar | hi guys |
| 02:41:15 | scan[lab] | captain_proton: my login from last year still works :) |
| 02:41:22 | lurgyman | no, we're the low guys |
| 02:41:37 | captain_proton | scan[lab]: you should insert your ssh (v1) key while you're there |
| 02:41:39 | lurgyman | the hi guys are in the other room |
| 02:41:52 | scan[lab] | I thought they disabled ssh.. hmm |
| 02:42:16 | captain_proton | nope, ssh has always been up |
| 02:42:24 | captain_proton | but it only does key auth |
| 02:42:51 | scan[lab] | If I can tunnel this whole lot over ssh, I'll go back to my room... this monitor's kinda fuzzy and they don't have pwm installed |
| 02:43:19 | lurgyman | twm is the way to go |
| 02:43:33 | scan[lab] | they have fvwm2... not my cup o' tea |
| 02:43:40 | lurgyman | actually, windoe managers are for loozers |
| 02:43:44 | scan[lab] | I love pwm |
| 02:43:48 | lurgyman | plain X is the breakfast of champions |
| 02:43:48 | captain_proton | twm is much nicer than fvwm2 |
| 02:44:00 | scan[lab] | I'd use ion if it played nicer with gimp |
| 02:44:09 | lurgyman | multiple windows? who kneads it?! |
| 02:44:32 | scan[lab] | X? bah... |
| 02:44:38 | lurgyman | Z |
| 02:44:42 | scan[lab] | any real linux user will type in all the pixels manually! |
| 02:44:42 | lurgyman | cbi |
| 02:44:50 | scan[lab] | hexedit /dev/fb0 |
| 02:44:56 | lurgyman | and not only that, but by hand! |
| 02:45:05 | lurgyman | open up your hard drive |
| 02:45:08 | lurgyman | get a magnet |
| 02:45:17 | lurgyman | stick your needle to it |
| 02:45:23 | lurgyman | and start poking your disk |
| 02:45:27 | scan[lab] | challenges lurgyman to find the contents of /dev/fb0 on the hard disk |
| 02:45:31 | lurgyman | while the needle stays magnetized |
| 02:45:44 | lurgyman | cat /dev/fb0 > /dev/hda1 |
| 02:45:55 | lurgyman | there we go |
| 02:45:56 | scan[lab] | hehe cool... I can ssh into the lab now |
| 02:47:38 | captain_proton | heyhey |
| 02:47:52 | captain_proton | i've officially rezzed 3 trouble queue messages |
| 02:47:57 | captain_proton | i feel so proud |
| 02:48:06 | scan[lab] | glad I could help :) |
| 02:48:17 | scan[lab] | searches for rdesktop on this machine... |
| 02:48:27 | scan[lab] | It's not where the TA said it would be... |
| 02:48:38 | captain_proton | what machineybob? |
| 02:48:44 | scan[lab] | you.cs.colorado.edu |
| 02:48:49 | scan[lab] | the /tools directory is empty |
| 02:49:03 | scan[lab] | hehe.. they have nmap installed though |
| 02:49:17 | scan[lab] | this is definitely a different machine than I was reaching from the outside for the same IP |
| 02:50:57 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 02:51:18 | scan[lab] | ssh'es into the machine next to him and does a "find -name rdesktop /" |
| 02:51:31 | scan[lab] | suppose I could just compile it... |
| 02:51:53 | scan[lab] | or I could tunnel an rdp connection in from my dorm room |
| 02:52:04 | scan[lab] | I like that plan better... |
| 02:54:03 | captain_proton | hmm, indeed, /tools seems to be unmounted |
| 02:55:26 | captain_proton | where did your TA say it would be? |
| 02:56:59 | scanline | /tools/cs/something... |
| 02:57:13 | captain_proton | hmm, well, i found it |
| 02:57:16 | scanline | but I missed a recitation or two, so it might have bene changed |
| 02:57:24 | captain_proton | /nfs/fiche-202/tools/cs/x86+Linux2/rdesktop-1.1.0 |
| 02:57:31 | scanline | hmm |
| 02:58:04 | captain_proton | /tools ought to be linked to the nfsmount but it doesn't seem to be |
| 02:58:05 | captain_proton | *shrug* |
| 03:00:26 | captain_proton | bwahahaha werepatlamon |
| 03:00:29 | captain_proton | i scared scanline |
| 03:00:37 | scanline | scared? |
| 03:00:49 | captain_proton | <scanline> you csops people scare me |
| 03:00:53 | scanline | oh yeah |
| 03:00:57 | scanline | very scary |
| 03:01:00 | scanline | =) |
| 03:01:11 | werepatlamon | 'splan human |
| 03:02:28 | scanline | whee! |
| 03:02:30 | scanline | rdesktop works! |
| 03:02:33 | scanline | captain_proton: thanks |
| 03:04:19 | captain_proton | hmm i musta made $0.30 just helping scanline |
| 03:04:37 | lurgyman | demand a refund!!! while you still can! |
| 03:04:55 | werepatlamon | you get paied?!?!?! |
| 03:04:59 | lurgyman | i should hear banging on the door right about now |
| 03:05:00 | werepatlamon | well shit |
| 03:05:08 | scanline | hrm... the win2k login screen looks oh so nice, but I can't login |
| 03:05:18 | scanline | tries more |
| 03:05:21 | lurgyman | he doesn't just get paid well shit... he gets paid good money |
| 03:05:35 | werepatlamon | good shit money? |
| 03:05:39 | scanline | captain_proton: I can file more support requests if you want :) |
| 03:05:54 | captain_proton | scanline: you should, i'm not the guy who does the windows logins |
| 03:06:21 | scanline | aha! |
| 03:06:22 | lurgyman | i don't think shit money's legal tender |
| 03:06:25 | werepatlamon | do you guys have one of those fun domain tings there |
| 03:06:26 | scanline | I was logging onto the wrong domain |
| 03:06:32 | lurgyman | cashiers would just plug their noses |
| 03:06:33 | captain_proton | ah, that'd explain it |
| 03:06:37 | scanline | SPIDERMAN, not EVIL.... |
| 03:06:53 | captain_proton | yeah, someone had that problem earlier today |
| 03:06:55 | werepatlamon | Does what ever a spider can |
| 03:07:00 | werepatlamon | spinns a web any size |
| 03:07:01 | captain_proton | EVIL is the machine name, SPIDERMAN is the osclass domain |
| 03:07:08 | werepatlamon | catches theves just like flys |
| 03:07:12 | werepatlamon | Look out!!!!!!!! |
| 03:07:14 | lurgyman | ...Does whatever a llama can |
| 03:07:21 | werepatlamon | no that's you dude |
| 03:07:26 | lurgyman | spins a llamaskin rug of any size |
| 03:07:29 | scanline | well, unfortunately MS Visual C++ loaded just fine :) |
| 03:07:48 | werepatlamon | so slap gcc on there |
| 03:07:54 | werepatlamon | then you'll be right at home |
| 03:07:56 | lurgyman | upside the head |
| 03:08:09 | captain_proton | hums just like placido domingo |
| 03:08:10 | scanline | werepatlamon: I have gcc here... only reason I need this windows machine is because of MS Visual C++ |
| 03:08:30 | werepatlamon | what do you need it for then? have to make windows MFC apps? |
| 03:08:40 | werepatlamon | or source safe? |
| 03:08:52 | captain_proton | he's got this little thing called "school" |
| 03:09:00 | werepatlamon | I know |
| 03:09:06 | lurgyman | "Microsoft Flower Convenience" |
| 03:09:08 | werepatlamon | but they require you use it? |
| 03:09:13 | captain_proton | for the class he's taking |
| 03:09:37 | scanline | werepatlamon: it's a demonstration of how CreateThread is so much more crufty than pthread_create()... |
| 03:09:48 | scanline | and pthreads are crufty enough |
| 03:09:49 | lurgyman | capital letters suck |
| 03:09:57 | lurgyman | they should be banned |
| 03:10:06 | lurgyman | and replaced with numbers |
| 03:10:11 | captain_proton | yay for crufiness |
| 03:10:13 | werepatlamon | well still that's just standard win32 api, don't need VC for that |
| 03:10:18 | captain_proton | its downright skranky |
| 03:10:23 | lurgyman | use dev-c++ |
| 03:10:57 | scanline | werepatlamon: but they want Visual C++ project files... |
| 03:11:00 | lurgyman | "Like VC++, except more fuzzy" |
| 03:11:08 | scanline | if it wasn't for that, I could use mingw32 |
| 03:11:09 | werepatlamon | ahhh |
| 03:11:11 | werepatlamon | then that sucks |
| 03:11:17 | lurgyman | sniffs |
| 03:11:29 | lurgyman | then falls asleep on his keyboard |
| 03:11:29 | werepatlamon | give them likve VC 2.1 files :) |
| 03:11:33 | lurgyman | bn bnnhjm |
| 03:11:38 | scanline | oh well... I've never use Visual C++ before, maybe this will be a learning experience that makes me stronger... |
| 03:11:48 | werepatlamon | it's not bad |
| 03:11:48 | captain_proton | i started with VC++ :) |
| 03:11:52 | werepatlamon | I use it all day long |
| 03:11:52 | lurgyman | or it'll kill you |
| 03:12:01 | scanline | werepatlamon: I think I have a Visual C++ 3.x CD at home somewhere.. got it free with something |
| 03:12:06 | scanline | captain_proton: eww |
| 03:12:11 | captain_proton | the newer versions ('cept for the newer of the newer) are pretty good |
| 03:12:12 | scanline | captain_proton: I started with Borland actually... |
| 03:12:16 | werepatlamon | ohh I think I can get you any version of it |
| 03:12:19 | captain_proton | anything <= 5.x sucks |
| 03:12:29 | werepatlamon | VC 7 blows goats |
| 03:12:33 | lurgyman | i started on codewarrior |
| 03:12:39 | werepatlamon | as did I |
| 03:12:50 | lurgyman | and then, after shooting myself, went on to gcc |
| 03:13:00 | werepatlamon | wonder how the current version is doing nowq |
| 03:13:01 | captain_proton | he really did shoot himself |
| 03:13:05 | captain_proton | made a mess of the lab |
| 03:13:09 | lurgyman | it was painful |
| 03:13:15 | werepatlamon | bah labs are for girls |
| 03:13:17 | lurgyman | it was hard to get myself together after that |
| 03:13:22 | werepatlamon | I all ways had better comps then the labs |
| 03:13:23 | lurgyman | i was in pieces |
| 03:13:25 | scanline | with ssh tunneling, who needs labs? |
| 03:13:34 | lurgyman | but i pulled the pieces together, and now... |
| 03:13:39 | lurgyman | pork for all! |
| 03:13:43 | captain_proton | werepatlamon: depends on the lab ;) |
| 03:13:44 | werepatlamon | when everyone was making there own copies of note pad, I had a quake 2 model viewer:) |
| 03:13:53 | werepatlamon | that pissed them off |
| 03:13:53 | captain_proton | there's a beauteyfull lab full of alphaserver ds20s |
| 03:14:22 | werepatlamon | well they didn't have those when I went to school |
| 03:14:31 | lurgyman | we had a bewtyfel lab full of iMacs |
| 03:14:32 | werepatlamon | our computers had cranks and stuff |
| 03:14:45 | lurgyman | and the early ones, without the benefit of reset buttons |
| 03:14:52 | captain_proton | they had reset buttons |
| 03:14:58 | captain_proton | you just needed a paper clip |
| 03:15:02 | werepatlamon | I've allwasy wanted to do something where you play a song but have each comp in a lab just play one instrument. |
| 03:15:05 | lurgyman | they weren't buttons, they were paper clip holes |
| 03:15:25 | captain_proton | but -behind- the paperclip hole, there exists a button! |
| 03:15:25 | lurgyman | in order for it to be a button, you have to be able to get your finger on it |
| 03:15:35 | werepatlamon | they made buttons for them |
| 03:15:37 | werepatlamon | that snaped in |
| 03:15:47 | werepatlamon | "dev buttons" they called them |
| 03:15:50 | scanline | If a button is pushed in a forest, and nobody's finger is on it, does it make a sound? |
| 03:16:00 | captain_proton | i want something that snapes |
| 03:16:00 | lurgyman | and i'll bet they would snape reel good |
| 03:16:23 | captain_proton | scanline: depends what its hooked up to |
| 03:16:28 | lurgyman | george bush |
| 03:16:37 | werepatlamon | yes he would make a sound |
| 03:16:41 | scanline | captain_proton: the fire alarms here are way too un-loud in the rooms |
| 03:16:46 | werepatlamon | so lurgyman needs a CDR? |
| 03:16:54 | captain_proton | scanline: the ones earlier tonight weren't fire alarms perse |
| 03:17:04 | scanline | captain_proton: oh? |
| 03:17:12 | lurgyman | they were humming llamas |
| 03:17:22 | scanline | captain_proton: they were plenty loud in the hall and bathroom, but in the rooms with the door shut it wouldn't be able to wake me up |
| 03:17:24 | captain_proton | thats just the sound it makes when one of the plastic covers over fire alarm pulls is lifted |
| 03:17:38 | scanline | hmm |
| 03:17:44 | captain_proton | the actual alarm is a good deal louder |
| 03:17:57 | scanline | that's good |
| 03:18:10 | captain_proton | can't you just -imagine- the quality of the people i lived with last year? :P |
| 03:18:29 | scanline | I don't think I ever visited Bracket... |
| 03:18:33 | scanline | err, Brackett.. |
| 03:18:39 | captain_proton | by virtue of the fact that i know this |
| 03:18:46 | scanline | hehe |
| 03:19:22 | lurgyman | * cardboard sock environment change * |
| 03:20:25 | werepatlamon | now why is my angle bisector raycaster algo soo slow. |
| 03:21:34 | lurgyman | les cacahuettes ne sont pas des cacahuettes |
| 03:21:38 | werepatlamon | 0.1sec seems a bit long to calc vis on a scene |
| 03:21:47 | scanline | uh huh |
| 03:21:49 | werepatlamon | in a damn near worst case senario |
| 03:22:00 | werepatlamon | average is 0.01 tho |
| 03:22:03 | werepatlamon | that's not too bad |
| 03:22:11 | lurgyman | non, c'est faux, mais, je veut dit ceux anyway |
| 03:22:21 | lurgyman | let's parlais franglais |
| 03:22:32 | Widget | D'accord. |
| 03:22:59 | lurgyman | oui! je vais manger mon chauteaux domain! |
| 03:23:10 | lurgyman | er, chapeaux |
| 03:23:34 | Widget | J'ai mangé mon chateau. |
| 03:23:55 | lurgyman | Ah, c'est bon? |
| 03:24:01 | scanline | this Visual C++ thing is weird... |
| 03:24:12 | lurgyman | ah, c'est weird... |
| 03:24:26 | scanline | no, VC++'est weird... |
| 03:24:46 | captain_proton | scanline: you have to go to the "build" menu and click "compile" instead of typing in "visualcplusplus -o cruftythreads.exe cruftythreads.c" |
| 03:24:47 | lurgyman | Tout la monde est une grand giraffe! Et les chapeaux ne veux pas le changer. |
| 03:25:11 | werepatlamon | hit F7 |
| 03:25:20 | captain_proton | don't do it man! |
| 03:25:25 | werepatlamon | HIT F7 |
| 03:25:41 | Widget | Gelukkige Yom Kippur! |
| 03:25:42 | lurgyman | 4HIT15 F18 |
| 03:25:45 | scanline | hey, I just now created a blank C file :P |
| 03:25:52 | lurgyman | hurty flurty schnip schnip |
| 03:26:06 | scanline | oh my god there's no doctor mode! :) |
| 03:26:08 | werepatlamon | wow my XP 1900 is faster at this then my P4 2 giger |
| 03:26:09 | lurgyman | ein svi tri fir fumf |
| 03:26:17 | werepatlamon | doctor mode? |
| 03:26:23 | scanline | M-x doctor |
| 03:26:25 | scanline | in emacs |
| 03:26:35 | werepatlamon | what does that do? |
| 03:26:43 | captain_proton | ELIZA |
| 03:26:44 | scanline | "I am the psychotherapist. Please, describe your problems. Each time |
| 03:26:44 | scanline | you are finished talking, type RET twice." |
| 03:26:57 | werepatlamon | oh that thing |
| 03:27:01 | werepatlamon | no it's not in there |
| 03:27:41 | werepatlamon | make sure that when you make the new CPPs that you add them to the project |
| 03:27:45 | werepatlamon | or they won't be in the build |
| 03:27:54 | scanline | yeah, I think I understand this... |
| 03:28:14 | scanline | it's like borland, but with more tabs and trees and slidey thingys |
| 03:28:18 | werepatlamon | yes |
| 03:28:26 | werepatlamon | slidy things |
| 03:28:47 | scanline | I dunno what windows calls them... the dividers between panels |
| 03:29:08 | captain_proton | scanline should come see the super-synchronized stereo |
| 03:29:46 | scanline | soon.... |
| 03:31:53 | werepatlamon | www.artemisgames.com/WCS.jpg that's taking like 0.08 sec to calc, sometimes as high as 0.2 sec |
| 03:31:54 | scanline | werepatlamon: how do you change the name of the binary it compiles to? |
| 03:32:07 | werepatlamon | project setings |
| 03:32:08 | werepatlamon | link |
| 03:32:09 | werepatlamon | output |
| 03:32:17 | captain_proton | makes a note of scanline CUID |
| 03:32:18 | captain_proton | ;) |
| 03:32:20 | scanline | thanks |
| 03:32:29 | scanline | captain_proton: hmm.. going to forge stuff |
| 03:32:29 | werepatlamon | sorry general |
| 03:32:31 | werepatlamon | not output |
| 03:32:56 | captain_proton | just being facetious |
| 03:33:53 | scanline | captain_proton: I know you have ultimate power :) |
| 03:34:19 | scanline | why is it set to link with odbccp32 and ole32 and stuff by default... |
| 03:34:22 | scanline | that's dumb |
| 03:34:35 | werepatlamon | what type of project did you make? |
| 03:34:41 | scanline | win32 console application |
| 03:34:48 | werepatlamon | hmm |
| 03:34:50 | werepatlamon | that is dumb |
| 03:35:07 | werepatlamon | empty one? |
| 03:35:10 | scanline | yeah |
| 03:35:17 | werepatlamon | that is very dumb |
| 03:35:44 | werepatlamon | wishes he had brought home a copy of truetime |
| 03:35:52 | scanline | truetime? |
| 03:35:59 | captain_proton | where are you taking me waffleeyes? |
| 03:36:16 | werepatlamon | performace validation stuff |
| 03:36:24 | werepatlamon | tells you where you spend all your time |
| 03:36:56 | werepatlamon | and I want to know why this is going all slow |
| 03:37:31 | scanline | try gprof :) |
| 03:37:46 | werepatlamon | well I'd have to get the thing to work on lin then first |
| 03:37:52 | werepatlamon | should compile right up tho |
| 03:37:59 | scanline | SDL, right? |
| 03:38:06 | werepatlamon | but I've never had to create make files |
| 03:38:11 | scanline | makefiles are easy |
| 03:38:11 | werepatlamon | yeah the libs are based onthat |
| 03:38:18 | werepatlamon | so says you |
| 03:38:26 | scanline | foo: foo.c |
| 03:38:27 | werepatlamon | acutaly I am sure they are |
| 03:38:39 | scanline | gcc -o foo foo.c `sdl-config --libs --cflags` |
| 03:39:15 | werepatlamon | I just need to change drives in the laptop so it'll boot to the leenox |
| 03:39:32 | werepatlamon | and get it to talk to this here windows thing |
| 03:39:33 | captain_proton | sdl-config ? |
| 03:39:43 | captain_proton | it oughta use pkg-config, 'cause pkg-config is thexy |
| 03:39:49 | scanline | captain_proton: oh don't tell me you don't use sdl-config... |
| 03:39:52 | scanline | pkg-config? |
| 03:40:06 | captain_proton | scanline: usually just -lSDL |
| 03:40:22 | scanline | captain_proton: that's bad... if SDL needs you to link with extra libs, it will fail |
| 03:40:39 | werepatlamon | worked before |
| 03:40:40 | captain_proton | pkg-config is like sdl-config/gnome-config/etc, except its all centralized |
| 03:41:00 | captain_proton | `pkg-config --cflags --libs gnome sdl` would give the cflags and libs required for gnome and sdl :) |
| 03:41:08 | scanline | captain_proton: works for you, usually doesn't work if you've customized SDL and turned on a bunch of extra video backends |
| 03:41:24 | scanline | ah, that's cool |
| 03:41:51 | scanline | grr... stupid hungarian notation |
| 03:42:22 | werepatlamon | lpProcPointer |
| 03:42:27 | captain_proton | hahaha |
| 03:42:28 | werepatlamon | BWAHSAHAHAH |
| 03:42:29 | scanline | stabs a fork through LPDWORD |
| 03:42:39 | werepatlamon | yeah |
| 03:42:44 | werepatlamon | those old ones are odd |
| 03:42:50 | scanline | 'long pointer'... heh |
| 03:42:56 | scanline | silly 16-bit-isms... |
| 03:43:06 | werepatlamon | I remeber on them mac when it was a compiler swich |
| 03:43:40 | scanline | I never did much mac programming... I wanted to, just didn't have the money for a compiler |
| 03:43:46 | scanline | s/much/any/ |
| 03:43:56 | werepatlamon | yeah |
| 03:44:07 | werepatlamon | I had a copy of metrowerks |
| 03:44:13 | werepatlamon | and MPW |
| 03:44:23 | scanline | got a copy of Think-C from someone, but couldn't get it to work |
| 03:44:29 | scanline | missing lots of files |
| 03:44:43 | werepatlamon | ick X won't use the laptop's external video conector |
| 03:44:46 | scanline | that was back in the day... MacOS 7.1 I think |
| 03:45:03 | werepatlamon | yeah |
| 03:45:04 | scanline | we still had a few computers with MacOS 6 |
| 03:45:17 | scanline | this was at my elementary school |
| 03:45:20 | werepatlamon | I thankfully never had to work with 6 |
| 03:45:31 | werepatlamon | for me it was in college |
| 03:45:40 | scanline | hehe |
| 03:46:47 | scanline | I wish I'd found Linux earlier than I did |
| 03:47:21 | werepatlamon | hmmmm I can just heavaly edit this jestream thing here :) |
| 03:47:59 | captain_proton | hah |
| 03:48:39 | werepatlamon | well I based my app on that |
| 03:48:48 | werepatlamon | so it would linify easaly |
| 03:50:51 | werepatlamon | hmmmm how can I get linux to atempt to get a DHCP address again? |
| 03:51:42 | captain_proton | what distro? |
| 03:51:47 | werepatlamon | redhat |
| 03:51:53 | captain_proton | restart pump |
| 03:52:04 | captain_proton | easiest: |
| 03:52:08 | captain_proton | ifdown eth0; ifup eth0 |
| 03:53:02 | werepatlamon | ifdown and ifup unknown commands |
| 03:53:12 | captain_proton | be root |
| 03:53:16 | werepatlamon | I am |
| 03:53:20 | werepatlamon | I SU ed |
| 03:53:45 | captain_proton | export PATH="$PATH:/sbin" |
| 03:53:58 | scanline | _beginthreadex... what a kludge |
| 03:54:25 | werepatlamon | ok did that |
| 03:54:33 | werepatlamon | it's going now |
| 03:54:34 | werepatlamon | thanks |
| 03:55:09 | werepatlamon | it's giving it some serious thought |
| 03:56:53 | werepatlamon | WTF... failed. |
| 03:57:17 | captain_proton | did you configure it to use dhcp? |
| 03:57:20 | werepatlamon | yea |
| 03:57:31 | werepatlamon | it's just that when it booted the cable came out |
| 03:57:37 | werepatlamon | so it didn't get one |
| 03:57:40 | werepatlamon | so I put it back in |
| 03:57:47 | werepatlamon | then wanted it to get it again |
| 03:58:12 | werepatlamon | maybe it's being pissy with the purple box agian |
| 03:59:30 | werepatlamon | is there a way to have it not show all that boot text unless there is a problem? |
| 03:59:38 | werepatlamon | thing takes for ever to boot |
| 04:02:52 | werepatlamon | odd restarted and it's all good now |
| 04:03:54 | scanline | heh.. you don't like text? |
| 04:03:59 | scanline | want it to hide everything from you? |
| 04:04:07 | werepatlamon | no not everything |
| 04:04:14 | werepatlamon | I just think it slows it down |
| 04:04:20 | werepatlamon | I'd prefre a sumary |
| 04:04:26 | werepatlamon | unless there is a problem |
| 04:04:27 | scanline | nah... linux console is pretty fast |
| 04:04:29 | captain_proton | wants to go take a look at ECCH 105 |
| 04:04:44 | werepatlamon | thing takes like 2 min to boot |
| 04:05:04 | scanline | that's not the text messages, that's all the junk your distro starts up |
| 04:05:13 | werepatlamon | ahhhh |
| 04:05:42 | scanline | linux itself starts up pretty quickly... just that most distros run dozens of extra junk on top of that |
| 04:05:55 | werepatlamon | one of these days I'll know what they all are |
| 04:06:09 | werepatlamon | and be able to turn the stuff I don't need off |
| 04:06:14 | scanline | good way to understand it all is to try building a linux from scratch |
| 04:06:34 | scanline | I don't run a LFS distro on this machine, but I've built plenty of distros from scratch for thin clients and embedded systems |
| 04:07:41 | scanline | it definitely makes things clearer |
| 04:07:41 | werepatlamon | remeber I am lazyer then you |
| 04:07:41 | scanline | hehe |
| 04:07:42 | werepatlamon | I may do that when the permanent linux machine gets here |
| 04:07:42 | scanline | what the hell is this 2MB .pch file doing here, I just compiled a Hello World! |
| 04:07:59 | scanline | the binary is 155k! |
| 04:08:06 | werepatlamon | release or debug? |
| 04:08:23 | scanline | debug I assume |
| 04:08:23 | werepatlamon | and are you making PCHs? |
| 04:09:27 | werepatlamon | check in project setings C++ |
| 04:09:27 | scanline | I don't know, I used the defaults.. what's a PCH? |
| 04:09:27 | werepatlamon | precompiled headers |
| 04:09:28 | scanline | oh... |
| 04:09:28 | werepatlamon | I hate them |
| 04:09:28 | werepatlamon | with a loathing passon |
| 04:09:28 | scanline | I remember borland C++ did something like that... windows headers are huge |
| 04:09:31 | werepatlamon | turnt hem off |
| 04:09:31 | werepatlamon | yeah |
| 04:09:31 | scanline | I don't plan on being here very long |
| 04:09:31 | werepatlamon | well tis' 155 cus it's debug |
| 04:09:31 | scanline | how do you strip a binary? |
| 04:09:32 | werepatlamon | make a release build |
| 04:09:48 | werepatlamon | change the build type to win 32 release |
| 04:09:48 | scanline | can't you just remove the debug symbols after compiling? |
| 04:10:03 | werepatlamon | no |
| 04:10:04 | scanline | feh.. I'm too lazy to do it then :P |
| 04:12:10 | werepatlamon | wow make files for large projects must be a bitch |
| 04:13:06 | scanline | most large projects use GNU autoconf and automake to set up the makefiles automatically |
| 04:13:20 | scanline | but you can do a lot with plain makefiles... |
| 04:13:24 | werepatlamon | and it just adds all the files in a folder or something? |
| 04:13:28 | werepatlamon | yes I see that you can do a lot |
| 04:13:53 | werepatlamon | and it all matches up to stuff that's in the dsp file in VisSitdio |
| 04:13:54 | scanline | umm no... you can set up makefile rules to process all the files with some extension in the same way, then give it a list of files that a binary depends on |
| 04:13:56 | scanline | stuff like that |
| 04:14:06 | scanline | dsp file? |
| 04:14:55 | captain_proton | developer studio project |
| 04:14:58 | werepatlamon | yeah |
| 04:15:06 | werepatlamon | that is basicly the make file for each module |
| 04:15:07 | werepatlamon | it's text |
| 04:15:20 | werepatlamon | then there is the DSW that links multiple DSPs |
| 04:15:22 | scanline | I like makefiles... very powerful, standard, works anywhere if written properly... |
| 04:15:23 | werepatlamon | into a workspace |
| 04:15:44 | werepatlamon | VC can create make files I think |
| 04:15:53 | scanline | automake and autoconf are mainly for handling compile-time configuration and managing differences between platforms |
| 04:16:00 | scanline | I don't understand them very well :) |
| 04:16:00 | captain_proton | not unix makefiles |
| 04:16:12 | werepatlamon | proalby not exact 'nix files |
| 04:16:15 | werepatlamon | but they are similar |
| 04:16:17 | captain_proton | automake and autoconf are mainly for making developers go completely insane |
| 04:16:34 | scanline | captain_proton: hehe.. it's not just me |
| 04:16:40 | captain_proton | finishes eating his sock and gets a drink |
| 04:16:45 | werepatlamon | I just couldn't see doing this everytime I needed to add a file, in somethign as large as my project at work |
| 04:16:54 | scanline | I've heard picogui's autoconf system described as artificially intelligent... |
| 04:17:20 | scanline | werepatlamon: in autoconf for example, adding a file is usually just putting it's name on a line in the Makefile.am for that directory |
| 04:17:25 | scanline | err, automake |
| 04:17:35 | captain_proton | adjusting both Makefiles and automake for new files is easy |
| 04:17:47 | werepatlamon | that's not to bad |
| 04:17:52 | werepatlamon | in VC it's nice |
| 04:18:03 | werepatlamon | when I make a new file it auto addes it to the poject |
| 04:18:07 | werepatlamon | and source controol |
| 04:18:11 | werepatlamon | just bam |
| 04:18:17 | scanline | that's not always good... |
| 04:18:28 | werepatlamon | well you get options if you want it to |
| 04:18:32 | scanline | what if you want files that are conditionally compiled into the project depending on some configuration parameter? |
| 04:18:41 | werepatlamon | you can do that too |
| 04:18:57 | werepatlamon | pre directives |
| 04:19:06 | werepatlamon | they take scriping commands |
| 04:19:11 | scanline | I always hate dealing with IDE project files... impossible to make compatible with anything else |
| 04:19:13 | werepatlamon | that can inlude aditional files |
| 04:19:20 | werepatlamon | that is proalby true |
| 04:19:37 | scanline | and CVS isn't perfect, but I've heard it's better than Visual Source Safe |
| 04:20:02 | scanline | not hard to add a new file when using makefiles and CVS... |
| 04:20:16 | scanline | add the filename to a line in the makefile, run "cvs add <file>" |
| 04:20:17 | captain_proton | the sun source management system is 10x sexier than CVS |
| 04:20:21 | werepatlamon | make: *** no rule to make target "gameloop.cpp" needed by 'gameloop.o' |
| 04:20:28 | captain_proton | .cpp.o: |
| 04:20:35 | scanline | captain_proton: never heard of that one.. what's it do |
| 04:20:39 | scanline | s/do/do?/ |
| 04:20:40 | werepatlamon | lots of things are seyer then CVS |
| 04:20:41 | captain_proton | g++ -c -o $@ $< |
| 04:21:00 | werepatlamon | I have a line that is .cpp.o |
| 04:21:03 | werepatlamon | at the ass end |
| 04:21:04 | captain_proton | scanline: basically its got a really REALLY powerful system for merging versions |
| 04:21:17 | captain_proton | werepatlamon: does 'gameloop.cpp' exist? |
| 04:21:31 | werepatlamon | son of a'mmdfsdaf$#$@#$#@ |
| 04:21:36 | scanline | captain_proton: I've only confused CVS's merging system a couple times.. usually it's pretty good |
| 04:22:07 | werepatlamon | who the hell capatlised that thing |
| 04:22:11 | werepatlamon | proalby me |
| 04:22:13 | captain_proton | werepatlamon: it was windows |
| 04:22:25 | captain_proton | fat32 capitalizes things at random |
| 04:23:00 | captain_proton | scanline: CVS' one is functional, but once you see sun's you realize how petty RCS version files really are |
| 04:23:32 | scanline | nods |
| 04:23:39 | scanline | CVS is enough for me, and it's open source |
| 04:23:52 | scanline | generally my code is separated enough that merging isn't a problem |
| 04:27:09 | werepatlamon | why does it need a newline at the end of a file? |
| 04:27:14 | captain_proton | it doesn't NEED |
| 04:27:19 | captain_proton | but it wants |
| 04:30:45 | werepatlamon | well I think I am geting the hang of this |
| 04:33:15 | captain_proton | goes to look at the whitewater lab |
| 04:36:21 | werepatlamon | whoooooooooooooooooooooot |
| 04:36:42 | werepatlamon | and it's slower then crap :) |
| 04:37:07 | werepatlamon | but that's not the app or the OS |
| 04:37:09 | werepatlamon | "s falut |
| 04:37:21 | scanline | heh.. whose fault is it? |
| 04:37:30 | werepatlamon | the computers |
| 04:37:31 | werepatlamon | it |
| 04:37:35 | scanline | ah |
| 04:37:41 | werepatlamon | it has a uber crap graphics card in it |
| 04:37:49 | werepatlamon | it's a little 333 laptop |
| 04:38:15 | werepatlamon | and no real GL accell in linux |
| 04:39:17 | scanline | wasn't that just a 2D plot? why use GL for that? |
| 04:39:44 | werepatlamon | habit |
| 04:39:48 | scanline | k |
| 04:39:53 | werepatlamon | it shall be 3d soon |
| 04:40:10 | werepatlamon | I needed to make sure it worked in regular 3 space |
| 04:40:20 | werepatlamon | my old one just used GDI |
| 04:40:40 | werepatlamon | then when I took it to 3d it got all screwed due to the Y flip |
| 04:40:47 | werepatlamon | so I just did this in GL |
| 04:40:52 | werepatlamon | in my overlay mode |
| 04:48:25 | Widget | What is this "Interix"? |
| 04:48:30 | Widget | http://www.microsoft.com/windows/sfu/productinfo/overview/default.asp |
| 04:49:50 | captain_proton | Widget: looks like an nfs client and implementations of all the standard unix utils |
| 04:50:21 | Widget | Someone said it was a POSIX subsystem for NT/2000/XP. |
| 04:51:48 | captain_proton | http://autoweek.com/weekart/2002/0923/sky380.jpg |
| 04:52:38 | Widget | What city is that? |
| 04:53:00 | captain_proton | looks like a rural area |
| 04:53:30 | captain_proton | scanline: about to watch an episode of the prisoner if you're interested |
| 04:56:24 | werepatlamon | widget wouldn't that be unix services for windows then? |
| 04:56:42 | werepatlamon | and I think there is a thing for that |
| 04:57:13 | werepatlamon | just not by MS |
| 05:16:51 | scanline | captain_proton: sorry, I was in the shower... no thanks, I should work on the textbox widget.. or homework |
| 05:26:26 | werepatlamon | atempts to set up SAMBA |
| 05:40:57 | werepatlamon | how do you browse the LAN in linux? |
| 05:47:19 | captain_proton | you don't really |
| 05:47:26 | captain_proton | linux boxes don |
| 05:47:31 | captain_proton | 't spam each other with host announcements |
| 05:47:46 | Patlabor221 | then how do I connect to my windows macine |
| 05:47:52 | Patlabor221 | I think I have SAMBA set up |
| 05:47:56 | scanline | use smbclient or some frontend to it |
| 05:48:01 | Patlabor221 | k |
| 05:48:17 | scanline | smbclient has a really wimpy command line interface unfortunately... |
| 05:48:21 | captain_proton | prisoner is such a quality show |
| 05:48:26 | captain_proton | that makes almost no sense :) |
| 05:48:28 | Patlabor221 | that it is |
| 05:48:38 | Patlabor221 | ohh that last one left me soo confused |
| 05:48:57 | scanline | captain_proton: is prisoner a current show on TV, or an old one? |
| 05:48:59 | captain_proton | i've only seen the first 3 so far |
| 05:49:01 | captain_proton | scanline: old |
| 05:49:07 | scanline | k |
| 05:49:15 | captain_proton | my roommate bought the dvd box set off the bay of e, and it just arrived this afternoon |
| 05:50:53 | captain_proton | you are number six. |
| 05:51:48 | Patlabor221 | you WILL be divxing those right? |
| 05:52:05 | Patlabor221 | is not a number |
| 05:52:13 | Patlabor221 | is a free man. |
| 05:52:27 | Patlabor221 | hmmm I don't see an option to mount a share |
| 05:52:28 | captain_proton | if scanline rips em for me |
| 05:52:31 | scanline | hehe |
| 05:52:39 | scanline | has a dual-athlon box that rips pretty fast :) |
| 05:52:45 | captain_proton | thinks scanline should give him +rw nfsmount on navi |
| 05:53:03 | scanline | captain_proton: I'm not allowing read-write nfs over the school network |
| 05:53:08 | scanline | nfs is way too insecure for that... |
| 05:53:18 | scanline | I do read-write NFS over a crossover that only goes between yoshi and navi |
| 05:53:26 | captain_proton | do you have ro nfs? |
| 05:53:28 | scanline | yes |
| 05:53:40 | scanline | only on /navi/public |
| 05:53:49 | captain_proton | navi:/navi/public ? |
| 05:54:25 | scanline | yes |
| 05:54:27 | Patlabor221 | well I can list the shares |
| 05:54:35 | Patlabor221 | how do I get it to mount the sucker |
| 05:54:44 | captain_proton | mounts |
| 05:55:19 | captain_proton | hmm i now have 3 nfs mounts going |
| 05:55:27 | captain_proton | feels the bandwidth spreading |
| 05:55:31 | captain_proton | err |
| 05:55:33 | captain_proton | not bandwidth |
| 05:55:43 | captain_proton | feels the hard-drive space spreading |
| 05:55:46 | scanline | hehe |
| 05:55:58 | scanline | yeah, a df will look a lot more impressive now |
| 05:56:11 | scanline | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| 05:56:11 | scanline | /dev/hda3 9.2G 7.8G 974M 90% / |
| 05:56:11 | scanline | /dev/hda4 55G 21G 31G 41% /home |
| 05:56:11 | scanline | navi:/navi 453G 300G 131G 70% /navi |
| 05:56:35 | captain_proton | ponders summing up the GB |
| 05:56:56 | Patlabor221 | is horibly confused |
| 05:57:35 | captain_proton | 542gb mounted total |
| 05:58:17 | captain_proton | i need a fileserver |
| 05:58:18 | captain_proton | :) |
| 05:59:42 | captain_proton | can coda do user authentication and such? |
| 06:00:21 | scanline | I tried to set up coda.. last i checked it still has limitations I don't like |
| 06:00:26 | scanline | volume size, for instance |
| 06:00:41 | captain_proton | # security model for authentication, encryption and access control |
| 06:01:07 | captain_proton | hmm it claims "# good scalability" |
| 06:01:48 | captain_proton | shpam coming :) |
| 06:01:52 | captain_proton | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| 06:01:52 | captain_proton | /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part9 |
| 06:01:52 | captain_proton | 53G 47G 2.9G 95% / |
| 06:01:52 | captain_proton | /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part8 |
| 06:01:52 | captain_proton | 38M 7.4M 28M 21% /boot |
| 06:01:53 | captain_proton | /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part6 |
| 06:01:57 | captain_proton | 509M 32M 452M 7% /var/log |
| 06:01:59 | captain_proton | /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part7 |
| 06:02:01 | captain_proton | 509M 17M 467M 4% /var/spool |
| 06:02:03 | captain_proton | /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part4 |
| 06:02:05 | captain_proton | 19G 14G 5.8G 71% /c_msdos |
| 06:02:07 | captain_proton | spon:/mnt/music 16G 12G 4.4G 72% /mnt/spon/music |
| 06:02:09 | captain_proton | spon:/tmp 13G 9.5G 3.4G 74% /mnt/spon/tmp |
| 06:02:11 | captain_proton | navi.picogui.org:/navi/public |
| 06:02:13 | captain_proton | 453G 300G 130G 70% /mnt/navi |
| 06:02:17 | captain_proton | grins like a kid in a candy store on crack |
| 06:04:01 | captain_proton | hmm, i should gib you all the monty pythons |
| 06:04:24 | scanline | you have all of them? |
| 06:04:24 | Patlabor221 | whoooooooooot |
| 06:04:29 | Patlabor221 | konqure suports it |
| 06:04:38 | Patlabor221 | konqueror |
| 06:05:23 | captain_proton | that i do |
| 06:05:35 | scanline | how's the quality? |
| 06:05:36 | Patlabor221 | well now I shall be able to use the leenox much more now |
| 06:06:00 | captain_proton | as good as can be expected |
| 06:06:33 | captain_proton | scanline: you should at least gib me a method to zip over the SPACE: 1999 episodes |
| 06:06:59 | captain_proton | <grin> |
| 06:07:20 | scanline | scp |
| 06:07:58 | captain_proton | ssh-dss AAAAB3NzaC1kc3MAAACBAMRG76jMPQ2hTH77eWofDWIgE8IZhT1QKSa0pzXKji8qPttrj+qv6eFvatacrz/1ueuEAcjpW9Lfl4pMFZJHYE40sx6k4tyyOp2mN0eWSTyGOo4VP3wkb/oGw3CVloAoW9x/2My66o5LGQDmkJY09HUpBeP5cEKzv+uyFvPOw0NRAAAAFQCIjUfnJrMTmHVmz/oP5B4mpVfTFQAAAIBuj1NCFvF5QVBkVxaYv2T3FKAuee562CF2Oz1KELm4cdI9+kjut+3Dl8zcw9lMMj2y57yTKpggzheu3kVjeiQ173EjOw2+fM0CvvcdWsd3aYlDCoY8RoX/zRVI+NkJomINSRXhmJrul0JUX/W69M1A16nv4xwE3wuZMdy/EaVs5wAAAIALMywnF8w55CnH9EfnKA |
| 06:07:58 | captain_proton | oLKH1Ahepp9P2KgP1hqBgFjciiKEPSIQ1wlX9pkXQlxkyqN1J05c/Cny2eTPRO2/3jv4XwkC70QTlpuHiVNVZdksCJuoMsv08cSocWQJLzJJ0aDJA4M63CnU5EBS9S+cdqOPg7Hag== jupiter@bhaskara |
| 06:08:22 | Patlabor221 | WTF |
| 06:08:31 | captain_proton | mah DSA key |
| 06:08:46 | Patlabor221 | wow that's rather long |
| 06:09:02 | scanline | preferred username jupiter I assume? |
| 06:09:27 | captain_proton | yep |
| 06:10:06 | scanline | k, you should be able to log in |
| 06:11:21 | scanline | the directory /navi/public/media/series/space1999 belongs to you |
| 06:11:31 | captain_proton | jupiter@navi.picogui.org's password: |
| 06:11:42 | captain_proton | set up permissions & stuff right on the key? |
| 06:11:51 | scanline | I'm pretty sure... |
| 06:12:05 | scanline | drwxr-xr-x 2 jupiter users 4096 Sep 19 01:16 .ssh |
| 06:12:11 | scanline | -rw-r--r-- 1 jupiter users 591 Sep 19 01:16 authorized_hosts |
| 06:12:30 | scanline | oops |
| 06:12:36 | scanline | that should be authorized_keys, huh |
| 06:12:40 | captain_proton | 700, 400 |
| 06:12:43 | captain_proton | and authorized_keys2 |
| 06:13:08 | scanline | I didn't think authorized_keys needed to be 400... |
| 06:13:27 | scanline | anyway, try it now |
| 06:15:06 | captain_proton | same |
| 06:15:14 | captain_proton | try running an ssnd in debug mode on a different port |
| 06:15:29 | captain_proton | sshd -d -p 222 |
| 06:16:42 | scanline | you sure it's authorized_keys2? I have the same key format and I'm using authorized_keys |
| 06:16:55 | captain_proton | most configs use authorized_keys2 |
| 06:16:59 | captain_proton | debian might be braindead |
| 06:17:01 | scanline | heh |
| 06:17:02 | scanline | maybe |
| 06:17:13 | scanline | try now |
| 06:17:18 | captain_proton | same |
| 06:17:26 | scanline | lemme check the logs |
| 06:17:34 | captain_proton | give me the perms on ~jupiter, ~jupiter/.ssh, and ~jupiter/.ssh/authorized_keys |
| 06:17:53 | scanline | navi:~# ls -ld ~jupiter/.ssh/ |
| 06:17:53 | scanline | drwx------ 2 jupiter users 4096 Sep 19 01:23 /home/jupiter/.ssh/ |
| 06:18:04 | scanline | navi:~# ls -l ~jupiter/.ssh/authorized_keys |
| 06:18:04 | scanline | -r-------- 1 jupiter users 591 Sep 19 01:16 /home/jupiter/.ssh/authorized_keys |
| 06:18:31 | captain_proton | ls -ld ~jupiter/ |
| 06:18:40 | scanline | drwxr-xr-x 3 jupiter users 4096 Sep 19 01:15 /home/jupiter/ |
| 06:18:58 | captain_proton | change to 700 |
| 06:19:08 | scanline | I really don't think ssh cares about that.. but ok |
| 06:19:13 | captain_proton | trust me ;) |
| 06:19:17 | scanline | k |
| 06:19:31 | Patlabor221 | can now sleep |
| 06:19:32 | captain_proton | done? |
| 06:19:36 | scanline | drwx------ 3 jupiter users 4096 Sep 19 01:15 /home/jupiter/ |
| 06:19:59 | captain_proton | humm |
| 06:20:06 | captain_proton | move it back to authorized_keys2 |
| 06:20:17 | scanline | done |
| 06:20:53 | captain_proton | damnit |
| 06:20:54 | scanline | Sep 19 01:26:16 navi sshd[4327]: error: key_read: uudecode .... |
| 06:20:57 | captain_proton | sshd -d -p 222 |
| 06:21:02 | scanline | apparently IRC munged the key |
| 06:21:08 | captain_proton | hrm |
| 06:21:09 | scanline | DCC it to me or something |
| 06:21:29 | scanline | I know ssh on navi isn't that paranoid about permissions |
| 06:21:45 | captain_proton | ssh is always paranoid about permissions when it comes to key auth |
| 06:22:07 | scanline | k, try now |
| 06:22:23 | captain_proton | works |
| 06:22:24 | scanline | I use key auth to ssh from yoshi to navi, and didn't have any permissions problems |
| 06:22:25 | scanline | yay |
| 06:22:41 | captain_proton | so... |
| 06:22:47 | captain_proton | /navi/public/media/series/space1999 |
| 06:23:38 | captain_proton | begins scping |
| 06:23:50 | captain_proton | hmm, 'tis fun cleaning out my system |
| 06:24:08 | captain_proton | i've gone from 2.3gb free to 14gb free |
| 06:27:45 | captain_proton | scanline: watch the first video and seek to where the intro starts ;) |
| 06:30:17 | captain_proton | decides to aviod attending his earlyish morning class and get up at 11, allowing him to stay up later doing nothing |
| 06:30:18 | scanline | what intro? |
| 06:30:27 | scanline | aha |
| 06:30:30 | scanline | this intro |
| 06:30:37 | captain_proton | :) :) :) |
| 06:31:24 | scanline | cool! |
| 06:31:43 | scanline | decides to watch the episode |
| 06:31:54 | captain_proton | doesn't the wagnerish interlude offset the disco nicely? |
| 06:32:00 | scanline | it's great |
| 06:33:14 | captain_proton | beware of the science |
| 06:33:33 | captain_proton | the moon leaves the solar system at high velocity due to an accident with nuclear magnetic fields |
| 06:35:20 | captain_proton | its very exciting |
| 06:41:25 | captain_proton | *gasp* |
| 06:41:33 | captain_proton | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| 06:41:33 | captain_proton | /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part9 |
| 06:41:33 | captain_proton | 53G 32G 18G 64% / |
| 06:41:36 | captain_proton | i feel so...free |
| 06:46:18 | Pinguin | /dev/hda3 16G 14G 1.0G 93% / HM .... |
| 06:46:42 | captain_proton | great now scanline's gonna paste his :P |
| 06:46:50 | Pinguin | lol |
| 06:48:23 | captain_proton | maybe i've got him distracted enough |
| 06:48:46 | Pinguin | but YOU started! :-) |
| 06:48:57 | captain_proton | i just went on an rm binge |
| 06:49:21 | captain_proton | and i felt everybody needed to see my results |
| 06:49:25 | Pinguin | let do tmpwatch do the job for you ... |
| 06:49:48 | captain_proton | tmpwatch wouldn't delete all the crap that was actually taking up space |
| 06:50:05 | captain_proton | i had basically an entire linux system sitting in a subdirectory |
| 06:50:12 | Pinguin | let tmpwatch play in /usr/bin ... lol |
| 06:50:18 | captain_proton | yes yes! |
| 06:52:41 | captain_proton | hmm my roommate got up from sleeping to go shower for some reason and i think he must of died on the way there |
| 06:53:20 | Pinguin | tip: remove the body before its gets smelly |
| 06:54:02 | captain_proton | wanders off to brush his teeth and clean up the mess |
| 06:54:11 | Pinguin | btw: must be quite early in the morning where you are ... |
| 07:00:12 | captain_proton | about 2 am |
| 07:00:46 | Pinguin | uff |
| 07:01:11 | Pinguin | going to sleep or already awake? |
| 07:01:23 | MrApathyCream | the nite is young |
| 07:01:25 | captain_proton | going to sleep at some point |
| 07:02:01 | Pinguin | Hm ... just started to work (well ... at least i am in the office ...) |
| 07:02:07 | captain_proton | i've already decided to sleep through my first class (which is pretty useless as long as i do the reading assignments), so i can wake up around 11 |
| 07:09:55 | Pinguin | Moin prodan |
| 07:10:01 | prodan | HALLO |
| 07:10:12 | prodan | oops |
| 07:10:21 | prodan | etwas laut heute |
| 07:10:35 | prodan | fnkt webcam? |
| 07:10:52 | Pinguin | ja ... aber unter Windooze läufts schneller :-( |
| 07:11:03 | prodan | hmmm |
| 07:11:14 | prodan | geht etwas auflösungsänderung? |
| 07:11:27 | Pinguin | Allerdings kann ich unter Windooze 100% CPU last machen auf einem PIII 750 |
| 07:11:38 | Pinguin | Unter Linux nie mehr als 5% ... |
| 07:11:42 | prodan | aha |
| 07:11:46 | Pinguin | auf einem PIII 500 |
| 07:12:00 | prodan | niedrige auflösung bei mir PIII 1000 |
| 07:12:10 | prodan | bringen etwa 10% cpu |
| 07:12:21 | prodan | 640x480 20fps etwa 75% |
| 07:12:36 | Pinguin | Unter Windooze habe ich 5 auflösungen und verschieden Frabcodierungen ... unter Linux nur zwei Auflösungen :-( |
| 07:13:06 | prodan | ;-( |
| 07:13:17 | prodan | welches progi nimmst du denn |
| 07:13:34 | Pinguin | XAWTV, Gnomemeeting, VIC |
| 07:13:41 | prodan | VIC? |
| 07:13:44 | Pinguin | :-) |
| 07:13:51 | Pinguin | Video Conferencing ... |
| 07:13:52 | prodan | was ist VIC? |
| 07:14:00 | captain_proton | xawtv is gross :P |
| 07:14:28 | prodan | vic gut? |
| 07:14:33 | captain_proton | gst-launch v4lsrc device=/dev/v4l/video0 with=640 height=480 ! deinterlace ! sdlvideosink |
| 07:14:35 | Pinguin | http://www-mice.cs.ucl.ac.uk/multimedia/software/vic/faq.html |
| 07:15:22 | captain_proton | i ought to get to bed |
| 07:15:24 | captain_proton | 'night all |
| 07:15:30 | Pinguin | night Capt'n |
| 07:15:35 | prodan | its 10:21 |
| 07:15:35 | captain_proton | have fun with disco scifi scanline |
| 07:15:41 | captain_proton | prodan: 02:21 here |
| 07:15:42 | prodan | AM |
| 07:15:46 | prodan | nhehe |
| 07:15:54 | prodan | sleep tight |
| 07:16:05 | Pinguin | tight? |
| 07:16:22 | Pinguin | ibot x en de sleep tight |
| 07:16:23 | | Pinguin: Schlaf fest |
| 07:16:26 | Pinguin | oha |
| 07:16:34 | prodan | sehr gut ibot |
| 07:16:46 | Pinguin | ibot x en de tight |
| 07:16:47 | | Pinguin: fest |
| 07:17:00 | prodan | na ja |
| 07:17:08 | prodan | nicht nur aber in dem kontext schon |
| 07:17:08 | Pinguin | i thought tight means eng |
| 07:17:28 | Pinguin | achos |
| 07:17:30 | prodan | kontext |
| 07:17:30 | prodan | primär eng |
| 07:17:33 | Pinguin | => achso |
| 07:18:41 | Pinguin | apropos: vic: multiple video connections! |
| 07:18:58 | prodan | wie ist es im vergleich zu gnomemeeting |
| 07:19:14 | Pinguin | Hm ... etwas rustikaler :-) |
| 07:19:20 | prodan | hehe |
| 07:19:24 | Pinguin | schlichter ... |
| 07:19:36 | Pinguin | aber man kann alles wichtige einstellen! |
| 07:19:43 | Pinguin | mehr als in gnomemeting ... |
| 07:19:51 | Pinguin | codeccs und so für video |
| 07:20:18 | prodan | na ja, wenn du mal eine neue webcam kaufst |
| 07:20:27 | Pinguin | Hm ... |
| 07:20:32 | prodan | schau dir mal phillips toucam pro an |
| 07:20:37 | Pinguin | Preis? |
| 07:21:02 | prodan | moment |
| 07:21:08 | Pinguin | Die Logitech ist bei 36 Euro ... |
| 07:21:31 | prodan | ne die ist schon teurer |
| 07:21:50 | prodan | bei den meisten sind die treiber crap |
| 07:21:59 | prodan | bei phillips etwas weniger |
| 07:22:12 | Pinguin | im kernel steht was won logitech ... also habe ich sie mir gekauft ... wusste nicht das es soviele Unterarten der logitech gibt ... |
| 07:22:37 | prodan | die sensoren scheinen sehr sehr unterschiedlich zu sein |
| 07:22:43 | Pinguin | JA!!! |
| 07:22:50 | prodan | und von einer version zur nächsten ganz anders |
| 07:23:01 | Pinguin | Stimmt ... jetzt weiss ich das auch ... |
| 07:23:10 | Pinguin | nachdem ich nach treibern gesucht habe ... |
| 07:23:17 | prodan | die toucam (ohne pro) ist glaub ich grottenschlecht |
| 07:23:22 | prodan | unter linux |
| 07:23:29 | Pinguin | oha |
| 07:24:13 | Pinguin | kann ich irgendwie das USB signal "mitlesen", bandbreite messen oder so? |
| 07:24:35 | prodan | toucam pro etwa 80 euro |
| 07:24:42 | prodan | http://www.ciao.com/produkte/531902.html |
| 07:25:29 | prodan | http://www.dooyoo.de/product/564009.html |
| 07:26:08 | Pinguin | http://www.ciao.com/hitliste/Die_besten_Webcams.html |
| 07:26:13 | prodan | zu usb bandbreite: keine ahnung |
| 07:26:20 | Pinguin | Platz 8. |
| 07:26:30 | prodan | win oder linux? |
| 07:26:41 | Pinguin | wahrscheinlich win ... |
| 07:27:03 | Pinguin | is away for coffee etc |
| 07:33:28 | prodan | is AWAY at 10:39:36 : coffee |
| 07:33:44 | prodanAWAY | away |
| 07:33:54 | prodan | is back after 0 d 0 h 0 m 25 s |
| 07:34:15 | prodan | info: prodan=irc beginner |
| 07:34:29 | prodan | is AWAY at 10:40:37 : coffee |
| 07:45:05 | prodan | is back after 0 d 0 h 10 m 36 s |
| 08:30:28 | IKB | why dosen't the word of the day change every day?¿ |
| 08:48:02 | Chestal | some days are just longer than others |
| 08:48:35 | IKB | if You say so |
| 08:50:20 | bomber | moin |
| 08:50:40 | IKB | moinmoin |
| 08:50:50 | Pinguin | moin bomber |
| 08:51:10 | IKB | moin |
| 08:51:13 | bomber | Pinguin: camera funktioniert |
| 08:51:18 | Pinguin | Bei Dir auch? |
| 08:51:26 | bomber | Pinguin: unter win |
| 08:51:30 | Pinguin | :-( |
| 08:51:35 | Pinguin | LINUX! |
| 08:51:51 | bomber | noch nicht |
| 08:51:56 | Pinguin | tz tz tz |
| 08:52:01 | bomber | brauche ich treiber oder? |
| 08:52:11 | Pinguin | ja .. ich schicke DIr was ... |
| 08:52:14 | bomber | und DU kannst mir helfen |
| 08:53:22 | bomber | hast du kein.rpm? |
| 08:53:28 | bomber | :o) |
| 08:53:32 | Pinguin | zwei Sachen solltest Du im Makefile ändern ... nein ... kein rpm :-( |
| 08:53:54 | Pinguin | 1) LINUX_DIR = /usr/src/linux-2.4 |
| 08:54:03 | Pinguin | 2) CC=kgcc ... |
| 08:54:09 | bomber | ok |
| 08:54:16 | bomber | los alamos |
| 08:54:48 | Pinguin | und ... läufts schon? |
| 08:58:27 | Pinguin | Hm ... bomber ... wo hängts? |
| 08:59:13 | bomber | was jetzt? |
| 08:59:28 | bomber | zweite option funktioniert bei mir nicht |
| 08:59:28 | Pinguin | schon compiliert und ge-insmod-ed? |
| 08:59:41 | Pinguin | CC= kgcc??? |
| 08:59:51 | Chestal | wasn kgcc? |
| 09:00:05 | Pinguin | oha ... redhat spezifisches Zeug :-( |
| 09:00:21 | Pinguin | Redhat pfuscht im GCC rum ... |
| 09:00:36 | Pinguin | Daher werden Kernel-Sachen mit kgcc compiliert ... |
| 09:00:36 | Chestal | ach ja stimt, dieser unsaegliche gcc |
| 09:01:01 | Chestal | alles andere kompiliert man wohl am besten auch damit ;-) |
| 09:01:11 | Pinguin | lol ... oder mit egcs ... |
| 09:01:36 | Chestal | hmm, das ist ja ein egcs, argls |
| 09:01:38 | Chestal | der ist ja antik |
| 09:01:54 | Pinguin | Klappt aber ... zumidest für meine pfuschereien ... |
| 09:02:22 | Chestal | Drecks-Redhat |
| 09:02:34 | Pinguin | Da muss ich Dir Recht geben! |
| 09:03:15 | Pinguin | Aber ich kann mich damit arrangieren ... |
| 09:03:24 | prodan | debian rule |
| 09:03:30 | prodan | err rulez |
| 09:03:48 | prodan | hat bomber die gleiche webcam |
| 09:03:52 | Pinguin | Ja! |
| 09:04:20 | bomber | Pinguin: aber mit cc hat er keine Probleme gemeldet |
| 09:04:26 | Pinguin | nagut ... |
| 09:04:40 | Pinguin | und ... druckst schon? |
| 09:05:38 | Chestal | auf der Ponderosa |
| 09:05:40 | Chestal | oops |
| 09:16:34 | Chestal | hmm |
| 09:16:44 | Pinguin | hmm ? |
| 09:20:40 | prodan | hmm |
| 09:20:58 | Pinguin | Hmm ???? |
| 09:24:09 | Pinguin | ich kann bomber jetzt sehen(!) ... hm ... ich weiss nicht ob das mit der WebCam so eine gute Idee war ... :-) |
| 09:24:52 | bomber | ICH DICH AUCH |
| 09:25:02 | Pinguin | :-) |
| 09:25:16 | | Pinguin is nothing but a rude-snouted pile of wretched dog vomit. |
| 09:25:16 | bomber | ibot insult Pinguin |
| 09:32:19 | bomber | das ist wirklich funny |
| 09:33:59 | Pinguin | probier mal xawtv |
| 09:35:23 | bomber | is away: lunch |
| 10:02:10 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 10:02:11 | prodan | ibot ducati |
| 10:02:12 | bzbot | Yeti (G): 0 (1-1). root (R): 0 (1-1). |
| 10:29:45 | bomber | is back (gone 00:53:48) |
| 10:29:48 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 10:29:48 | bomber | ibot ducati |
| 10:29:48 | bzbot | Yeti (R): 5 (47-42). egg (G): 15 (70-55). root (R): 0 (46-46). the Hausdorff metric (R): 11 (46-35). trubi (G): -21 (32-53). BenLaden (G): -10 (4-14). |
| 10:29:52 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 10:29:52 | bomber | ibot ducati? |
| 10:29:53 | bzbot | Yeti (R): 5 (47-42). egg (G): 15 (70-55). root (R): 0 (46-46). the Hausdorff metric (R): 11 (46-35). trubi (G): -21 (32-53). BenLaden (G): -10 (4-14). |
| 10:59:52 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 10:59:52 | prodan | ibot ducati |
| 10:59:53 | bzbot | plan x (G): 4 (9-5). Golgo13 (G): 0 (3-3). fred (R): -1 (1-2). trubi (R): -3 (5-8). BenLaden (G): -2 (56-58). |
| 11:24:40 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 11:24:40 | prodan | ibot ducati |
| 11:24:42 | bzbot | egg (R): 1 (3-2). plan x (G): 3 (3-0). nobody (G): -8 (32-40). Dr Z (R): -31 (43-74). BenLaden (G): 3 (105-102). |
| 11:26:03 | Pinguin | prodan: Die WebCam ist unter Linux deshalb so langsam, weil der USB Datenstrom nicht komprimiert ist ... Komprimierung ist nicht bekannt! |
| 11:42:47 | prodan | aha |
| 11:43:02 | prodan | pipe is durch bzip (achtung: witz) |
| 11:43:11 | doughecka | ibot x de en Die WebCam ist unter Linux deshalb so langsam, weil der USB Datenstrom nicht komprimiert ist ... Komprimierung ist nicht bekannt! |
| 11:43:17 | | doughecka: The WebCam is so slow under Linux, because the USB data stream is not compressed... Compression is not well-known! |
| 11:43:24 | prodan | wow |
| 11:43:25 | doughecka | hmm |
| 11:43:30 | prodan | nnice trans |
| 11:43:34 | doughecka | yea |
| 11:43:51 | Pinguin | impressive translation! |
| 11:43:51 | doughecka | its rarely like that |
| 11:44:00 | | sussudio: sorry... |
| 11:44:00 | sussudio | ibot x fr mama fume le pipe de papa |
| 11:44:05 | sussudio | darn |
| 11:44:14 | doughecka | ibot x fr en mama fume le pipe de papa |
| 11:44:20 | | doughecka: mama smokes the pipe of dad |
| 11:44:26 | doughecka | haaaaa |
| 11:44:41 | doughecka | ibot x de en pipe is durch bzip (achtung: witz) |
| 11:44:44 | sussudio | moo |
| 11:44:49 | | doughecka: pipe is through bzip (note: joke) |
| 11:44:57 | prodan | ibot x en de time flies like an arrow |
| 11:45:06 | | prodan: die Zeit vergeht wie im Flug |
| 11:45:17 | doughecka | ibot x de en die Zeit vergeht wie im Flug |
| 11:45:26 | Pinguin | Hm ... i start to like ibot ... |
| 11:45:32 | | doughecka: the time passes as in the flight |
| 11:45:33 | sussudio | ibot x en de eat my shorts |
| 11:45:44 | | sussudio: essen Sie meine Kurzschlüsse |
| 11:45:51 | | somebody said Pinguin was playing with webcams |
| 11:45:51 | bomber | ibot Pinguin |
| 11:45:59 | prodan | ibot x de en zeitfliegen mögen pfeile |
| 11:46:16 | prodan | ibot x de en zeitfliegen mögen einen pfeil |
| 11:46:20 | | prodan: time-fly m |
| 11:46:28 | bomber | haha |
| 11:46:40 | | prodan: time-fly m |
| 11:46:45 | prodan | bomber: kanntest du den schon? |
| 11:47:15 | | bomber: what? |
| 11:47:16 | bomber | ibot x en sk hello |
| 11:47:21 | doughecka | haha |
| 11:47:25 | bomber | ist super schnell |
| 11:47:29 | prodan | i'm still upset that ibot doesnt trans into swissgerman |
| 11:47:33 | doughecka | it only know bable fishes |
| 11:47:46 | bomber | and also slovak :o) |
| 11:47:55 | doughecka | is that like swiss cheese made in germany? |
| 11:48:14 | bomber | ask ibot :o)))))))) |
| 11:48:35 | doughecka | ibot x en es hello |
| 11:48:37 | prodan | swissgerman is one of the 4 langs spoken in switzerland |
| 11:48:45 | | doughecka: hola |
| 11:48:51 | doughecka | ha |
| 11:48:57 | | bomber: i'm not following you... |
| 11:48:57 | bomber | ibot en fr hello |
| 11:48:57 | doughecka | prodan: Mmmm |
| 11:49:10 | bomber | ibot x en fr hello |
| 11:49:18 | | bomber: bonjour |
| 11:49:40 | doughecka | ibot x en fr pig dog cat cow moo |
| 11:49:47 | | doughecka: MOO de vache à chat de chien de porc |
| 11:49:48 | prodan | ibot x de en der schnapps ist schwach |
| 11:49:56 | doughecka | oooh |
| 11:49:58 | | prodan: schnapps is weak |
| 11:50:02 | doughecka | porc = pig? |
| 11:50:12 | bomber | ibot x en en pig |
| 11:50:24 | | bomber: * What browser you were using. |
| 11:50:28 | doughecka | ibot x fr en porc |
| 11:50:32 | bomber | haha |
| 11:50:40 | | doughecka: pig |
| 11:50:56 | | well, prodan is an upperhemicontinuous correspondence |
| 11:50:56 | bomber | ibot prodan |
| 11:50:58 | prodan | many english words come from french |
| 11:51:01 | doughecka | yah |
| 11:51:13 | prodan | man things upper class ate |
| 11:51:13 | doughecka | needs to learn german |
| 11:51:14 | bomber | ibot x en de prodan is an upperhemicontinuous correspondenc |
| 11:51:22 | | bomber: ist ein upperhemicontinuous correspondenc prodan |
| 11:51:27 | doughecka | haha |
| 11:51:30 | prodan | haha |
| 11:51:39 | prodan | mouton- mutton |
| 11:51:41 | bomber | :o) |
| 11:51:47 | prodan | porc -porc |
| 11:51:59 | prodan | but only when you eat it |
| 11:52:00 | doughecka | ibot x en fr sheep |
| 11:52:05 | bomber | is away: coffee |
| 11:52:06 | | doughecka: moutons |
| 11:52:09 | doughecka | haha |
| 11:52:20 | prodan | the animal name is still the old saxon one |
| 11:52:34 | doughecka | ibot x en fr I eat sheep |
| 11:52:36 | prodan | coming from germanic |
| 11:52:40 | | doughecka: Je mange des moutons |
| 11:52:46 | doughecka | hoho |
| 11:53:29 | doughecka | wonders away |
| 11:53:39 | doughecka | is away: moutons |
| 11:53:48 | prodan | ibot x de en zeit fliegen mögen einen pfeil |
| 11:53:59 | | prodan: time fly m |
| 11:53:59 | sussudio | ibot x en ge my pants are on fire |
| 11:54:08 | sussudio | hm de |
| 11:54:09 | | sussudio: meine Hosen sind auf Feuer |
| 11:54:16 | sussudio | ah |
| 11:54:16 | prodan | ibot x de en zeit fliegen moegen einen pfeil |
| 11:54:44 | doughecka | I could learn german by just playing with ibot here |
| 11:54:59 | | prodan: time to fly like an arrow |
| 11:55:12 | sussudio | ibot x en de please refrain from eating the chairs while traveling in first class |
| 11:55:40 | doughecka | ooh, a big one |
| 11:55:42 | doughecka | will take a while |
| 11:55:43 | | sussudio: nehmen Sie bitte das Essen der Stühle beim Reisen in erste Kategorie |
| 11:55:48 | prodan | wait wait wait diddle dum |
| 11:56:03 | prodan | nope not right |
| 11:56:09 | doughecka | ibot x en de greetings akira_ |
| 11:56:20 | akira_ | :) |
| 11:56:21 | | doughecka: Grüße akira _ |
| 11:56:31 | | akira is nothing but a mangled thimbleful of unmuzzled urine samples. |
| 11:56:31 | prodan | ibot insult akira |
| 11:56:31 | doughecka | ibot x de en moin |
| 11:56:33 | doughecka | ibots dead |
| 11:56:34 | akira_ | haha |
| 11:56:40 | | doughecka: moin |
| 11:56:51 | prodan | moin is slang |
| 11:57:09 | akira_ | prodan: :) but does ibot know that? |
| 11:57:21 | doughecka | oh well... |
| 11:57:31 | | ...but moin is North German for everything you would say for salutatory... |
| 11:57:31 | prodan | ibot, moin is slang |
| 11:57:33 | doughecka | is really away: breaking fast |
| 11:57:41 | prodan | nheheheheheheh |
| 11:57:58 | | moin is, like, North German for everything you would say for salutatory |
| 11:57:58 | akira_ | ibot: moin |
| 11:58:10 | akira_ | ... :) without words |
| 11:58:24 | prodan | hast du das gerade eben eingegeben |
| 11:58:51 | akira_ | was? |
| 11:58:55 | akira_ | moin? |
| 11:58:56 | akira_ | noe |
| 11:58:58 | prodan | definition moin |
| 11:59:05 | prodan | aha |
| 11:59:07 | akira_ | muss wohl chestal gemacht haben oder irgendwer anders |
| 11:59:48 | doughecka | ibot x de en muss wohl chestal gemacht haben oder irgendwer anders |
| 11:59:52 | | doughecka: probably chestal or possibly who must have made differently |
| 12:00:03 | doughecka | very good trans |
| 12:00:24 | doughecka | is really really away: break fast |
| 12:02:23 | akira_ | doese anyone here use open performer? |
| 12:12:17 | Bongulim | Is anyone aware to the fact that the burrow flag is cuzing the game to crush (1.8-cvs)? |
| 12:15:24 | bomber | is back (gone 00:23:19) |
| 12:16:07 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 12:16:07 | bomber | ibot ducati? |
| 12:16:08 | bzbot | Server is empty |
| 12:16:14 | bomber | wou |
| 12:17:13 | IKB | bzfquery bzflag.noodleroni.com |
| 12:17:18 | IKB | bzfquery bzflag.noodleroni.com 5156 |
| 12:17:29 | IKB | bzfquerylong bzflag.noodleroni.com 5156 |
| 12:17:41 | IKB | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 12:20:25 | Chestal | hmm |
| 12:20:40 | bzbot | Server is empty |
| 12:29:10 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 12:29:10 | prodan | ibot ducati |
| 12:29:11 | bzbot | Server is empty |
| 12:30:51 | | bzbot is http://heckamangroup.com/old/files/ |
| 12:30:51 | IKB | ibot bzbot |
| 12:31:50 | | i heard tobi was ibot backwards |
| 12:31:50 | IKB | ibot tobi |
| 12:35:32 | | i heard bot was ljp |
| 12:35:32 | IKB | ibot bot |
| 12:35:39 | | ljp is currently an earthling from the planet Mergatroid or http://llornkcor.com |
| 12:35:39 | IKB | ibot ljp |
| 12:35:54 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 12:35:54 | bomber | ibot ducati? |
| 12:35:55 | bzbot | Server is empty |
| 12:37:51 | jzaun | WOW, captain_proton, your not number 1 any more |
| 12:41:02 | MrApathyCream | cappy is sleeping |
| 12:46:17 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 12:46:17 | bomber | ibot ducati? |
| 12:46:18 | bzbot | Server is empty |
| 12:55:35 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 12:55:35 | bomber | ibot ducati? |
| 12:55:35 | bzbot | Server is empty |
| 13:02:05 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 13:02:05 | bomber | ibot ducati? |
| 13:02:06 | bzbot | Server is empty |
| 13:10:25 | | patlabor221 was last seen on #bzflag 6 hours, 50 minutes and 54 seconds ago, saying: can now sleep [Thu Sep 19 07:19:31 2002] |
| 13:10:25 | doughecka | ibot seen patlabor221 |
| 13:10:32 | doughecka | 6 hours... haha |
| 13:11:05 | | bzflag was last seen on #uclibc 5 hours, 26 minutes and 22 seconds ago, saying: nite [Thu Sep 19 08:44:43 2002] |
| 13:11:05 | IKB | ibot seen bzflag |
| 13:11:20 | | ikb was last seen on #bzflag 0 seconds ago, saying: ibot seen ikb [Thu Sep 19 14:11:20 2002] |
| 13:11:20 | IKB | ibot seen ikb |
| 13:11:30 | | ibot was last seen on #bzflag 23 days, 13 hours, 44 minutes and 15 seconds ago, saying: ibot insult ibot [Tue Aug 27 00:27:15 2002] |
| 13:11:30 | IKB | ibot seen ibot |
| 13:11:38 | doughecka | funny |
| 13:11:44 | | ibot was last seen on #bzflag 23 days, 13 hours, 44 minutes and 29 seconds ago, saying: ibot insult ibot [Tue Aug 27 00:27:15 2002] |
| 13:11:44 | IKB | ibot seen ibot |
| 13:11:49 | | ACTION pukes over doughecka |
| 13:11:49 | doughecka | ibot puke |
| 13:11:58 | | ACTION burps softly |
| 13:11:58 | doughecka | ibot burp |
| 13:12:00 | doughecka | ibo sing |
| 13:12:03 | | ACTION sings off key |
| 13:12:03 | doughecka | ibot sing |
| 13:12:07 | | doughecka: excuse me? |
| 13:12:07 | doughecka | ibot unreal |
| 13:12:17 | | doughecka: huh? |
| 13:12:17 | doughecka | ibot make voke |
| 13:12:20 | | ACTION mixes syrup and fix. |
| 13:12:20 | doughecka | ibot make coke |
| 13:12:48 | | doughecka: I forgot make coke |
| 13:12:48 | doughecka | ibot forget make coke |
| 13:12:48 | | OK, doughecka. |
| 13:12:48 | doughecka | ibot make coke is <action> mixes syrup and fizz |
| 13:12:52 | | ACTION mixes syrup and fizz |
| 13:12:52 | doughecka | ibot make coke |
| 13:17:03 | sussudio | error on UDP write: Connection refused? |
| 13:17:16 | doughecka | your TOAST!!! |
| 13:17:18 | doughecka | : |
| 13:18:07 | sussudio | i hate people who use 1.7e4 |
| 13:18:13 | doughecka | hehe |
| 13:18:24 | sussudio | modem was acting like a hamster on crack |
| 13:18:38 | doughecka | what does a hamster on crack do? |
| 13:18:45 | sussudio | hump, mostly |
| 13:18:50 | doughecka | I see |
| 13:18:54 | sussudio | anything it can |
| 13:18:56 | sussudio | staplers |
| 13:18:58 | doughecka | is away: totaly unreal |
| 13:19:01 | sussudio | remote controls |
| 13:19:09 | sussudio | sliced bread |
| 13:19:31 | sussudio | other hamsters |
| 13:19:33 | sussudio | if available |
| 13:30:19 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 13:30:19 | bomber | ibot ducati? |
| 13:30:20 | bzbot | rex (R): 3 (27-24). M i r e l l a (G): 0 (0-0). trubi (G): -6 (4-10). Raecher (R): 0 (1-1). |
| 13:36:20 | bomber | hi sniper |
| 13:36:29 | Sniper | hi |
| 13:36:31 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 13:36:31 | bomber | ibot ducati? |
| 13:36:32 | bzbot | lool (G): 0 (0-0). |
| 13:37:05 | bomber | i have big lag on ducati ...hmmm... |
| 13:47:28 | Sniper | me to |
| 13:48:51 | sussudio | me three\ |
| 13:50:01 | Sniper | last night i had 0.8 sec lag on ducati |
| 13:51:17 | sussudio | ducati sux0r5 |
| 13:52:00 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 13:52:00 | prodan | ibot ducati |
| 13:52:01 | bzbot | rrrado (R): -14 (6-20). Dr Z (G): 0 (0-0). devastator (G): 14 (25-11). Sniper 50(Vbz) (R): 1 (1-0). egg (R): 1 (2-1). bond007 (G): 0 (0-0). |
| 14:07:29 | sussudio | topic is too lon |
| 14:07:43 | Sniper | what? |
| 14:07:50 | sussudio | topic. too. long. |
| 14:08:17 | Sniper | could you change it i dont know what i m doing i m jiust pushing buttons here |
| 14:08:25 | Sniper | still newbie |
| 14:08:35 | sussudio | it's cut off after 1.7e6 (Armoured Smashing Fist 2002) released! http://www.BZFlag.org/ | rank: http://happypenguin.org/show?BZFlag | http://www.chesco.com/~dbrosius/BZFlag/BZFlag.html | preview loki_setup installer http://icculus.org/~vogon/bzflag-installer.sh | word of the day: hallux | bzedit 2.1! http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/code/tarballs/ | bzflag.noodleroni.com 100 shot server, aba |
| 14:09:08 | Sniper | ok what do i do know? |
| 14:09:19 | sussudio | *shrug*. i dont know what you tried to change. |
| 14:09:50 | Sniper | nothing i didnt know i was trying to do something, i didnt know what it was? :) sry |
| 14:10:04 | sussudio | k |
| 14:10:27 | Sniper | could you fif it? |
| 14:10:31 | Sniper | fix |
| 14:10:54 | sussudio | since i cant see what the whole topic is supposed to be...... not really |
| 14:11:00 | sussudio | i guess i could logon with bitchx |
| 14:11:55 | sussudio | which would work if i had that actually installed on my deb box |
| 14:11:57 | Sniper | it was the last time did something here, i better stick with sending messages :) |
| 14:14:10 | Pinguin | is restarting X |
| 14:15:22 | sussX | hmm nope it's cut off with bitchx too.... |
| 14:18:44 | sussudio | redhat bad |
| 14:18:51 | [TeA|]-[RedHat] | redhat rulez |
| 14:20:33 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 14:20:33 | [TeA|]-[RedHat] | ibot, ducati |
| 14:20:33 | bzbot | Dr Z (G): -26 (49-75). devastator (G): 28 (95-67). @ (B): 0 (0-0). Zwei (R): 8 (19-11). LOrD cAPtain COmmanDer FinNigAn (G): -7 (44-51). pray...now (R): -21 (6-27). the Hausdorff metric (R): 10 (45-35). urban (G): 2 (12-10). |
| 14:21:47 | [TeA|]-[RedHat] | :o( |
| 14:26:19 | | TeA is nothing but a vapid petrification of motley-mind urine samples. |
| 14:26:19 | prodan | ibot insult TeA |
| 14:26:54 | [TeA|]-[RedHat] | lol |
| 14:28:47 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 14:28:47 | [TeA|]-[RedHat] | ibot, ducati |
| 14:28:48 | bzbot | root (R): 5 (19-14). num_lock (G): 3 (11-8). devastator (G): 26 (113-87). Zwei (R): 21 (51-30). pray...now (R): -37 (13-50). Serious Sam (R): -4 (11-15). urban (G): -2 (35-37). |
| 14:31:34 | Terminator | hi |
| 14:32:02 | Pinguin | hi |
| 14:35:48 | gonkulator{work} | is away: I'm busy |
| 14:35:54 | gonkulator{work} | is back (gone 00:00:02) |
| 14:36:11 | Terminator | how do u say u r away |
| 14:36:24 | Pinguin | with /away <reason> |
| 14:36:33 | Terminator | ok |
| 14:36:46 | Pinguin | the same to come back |
| 14:36:53 | Terminator | ok |
| 14:36:56 | Pinguin | without reason ... |
| 14:37:00 | Terminator | ok |
| 14:37:06 | Terminator | thanx |
| 14:37:16 | Pinguin | you do not need reason to come back |
| 14:37:28 | Terminator | yup |
| 14:37:30 | Pinguin | Hm ... wanted to provoke another OK |
| 14:37:38 | Terminator | lol |
| 14:37:40 | Terminator | ok |
| 14:37:43 | Pinguin | thx |
| 14:45:42 | Terminator | ok i go play UT2003 Demo now |
| 14:50:32 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 14:50:32 | [TeA] | ibot, ducati |
| 14:50:32 | bzbot | num_lock (R): 6 (13-7). The Red Baron (R): 0 (3-3). devastator (G): 53 (173-120). pray...now (R): -72 (27-99). Dragon (G): -16 (6-22). |
| 14:55:51 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 14:55:51 | bomber | ibot ducati? |
| 14:58:54 | bzbot | Server is empty |
| 15:01:24 | bomber | have to go...bye |
| 15:13:15 | doughecka | hey |
| 15:13:32 | patlabor221 | hey |
| 15:14:24 | patlabor221 | do you kow how to start the samba server? |
| 15:14:44 | doughecka | nope |
| 15:14:55 | doughecka | get webmin and install |
| 15:14:56 | patlabor221 | I got the client working fine |
| 15:15:01 | patlabor221 | web? |
| 15:15:11 | doughecka | webmin.... |
| 15:15:16 | doughecka | google for it |
| 15:15:19 | patlabor221 | I don't want a web server |
| 15:15:32 | doughecka | its not |
| 15:16:40 | doughecka | its a web admin for linux |
| 15:17:01 | patlabor221 | bah |
| 15:17:10 | patlabor221 | needs pearl and all that |
| 15:17:17 | doughecka | hmm |
| 15:18:37 | patlabor221 | I just want to know how to start the server |
| 15:18:45 | patlabor221 | I have the client all running and working |
| 15:28:05 | sussudio | http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/xirafi.jpg |
| 15:35:57 | doughecka | hates seting up linux over the phone |
| 15:42:25 | Terminator | hi |
| 15:43:16 | scanline | is away: class |
| 15:46:48 | doughecka | someone bid on my ram.... |
| 15:46:57 | sussudio | 1 DOLLAH |
| 15:47:05 | doughecka | all 4 sticks, for $40 a stick |
| 15:47:24 | sussudio | 1 DOLLAAAAAAAAH |
| 15:47:39 | doughecka | lol |
| 15:50:20 | sussudio | snort. stupid bot |
| 15:50:26 | | TWO DOLLAH!!!!!!!! |
| 15:50:26 | sussudio | ibot: bid on doug's ram |
| 15:50:37 | sussudio | ah |
| 15:50:44 | Terminator | 1,000,00 DOLLAHH!!! |
| 15:50:47 | sussudio | thats better |
| 15:51:02 | Terminator | i ment 1,000,000 not 1,000,00 |
| 15:51:06 | sussudio | 5 DOLLAH SOLDIERBOY!!!!!!! |
| 15:51:23 | Terminator | 1 cent |
| 15:51:50 | sussudio | that's 0,01 DOLLAH |
| 15:51:55 | Terminator | yup |
| 15:52:06 | Terminator | 10 DAOLLAAAHHHH |
| 15:52:11 | Terminator | i win |
| 15:52:19 | doughecka | bids even higher |
| 15:52:30 | doughecka | woo |
| 15:52:38 | doughecka | 160 bucks for my ram! |
| 15:52:45 | Terminator | rweminates everyone in the room so he wins! |
| 15:52:59 | Terminator | he ment terminates |
| 15:53:06 | doughecka | raises his shield too quickly for Terminator |
| 15:53:30 | doughecka | watches Terminator's shot bounch off |
| 15:53:41 | Terminator | termnator explodes the whole biulding in a suicide |
| 15:53:49 | doughecka | fires his large nuc at Terminator |
| 15:54:08 | scan[ibook] | puts a grammar grenade in the middle of the channel and runs |
| 15:54:17 | doughecka | has a teleport and disappaers |
| 15:54:20 | doughecka | haha |
| 15:54:35 | sussudio | made doug's teleporter link into a wall |
| 15:54:35 | Terminator | follows him with his teleport |
| 15:54:46 | Terminator | doh |
| 15:54:55 | doughecka | closed his teleport right after him |
| 15:54:59 | patlabor221 | saves the map and it all crashes |
| 15:55:01 | doughecka | haha |
| 15:55:09 | doughecka | map? |
| 15:55:28 | doughecka | woo, I got ut2003 running on my friends computer |
| 15:55:30 | patlabor221 | the entire univers can be considerd a rather large map |
| 15:55:39 | Terminator | terminator blows up the entire universe |
| 15:55:42 | doughecka | now hes runnin leeeenux |
| 15:55:48 | Terminator | i have ut2003 demo |
| 15:55:53 | patlabor221 | the entire univers can be considerd a rather large map |
| 15:55:59 | doughecka | teleports into the parallel universe |
| 15:56:09 | Terminator | follows him |
| 15:56:47 | doughecka | teleports Terminator into the center of Auooo, the sun of the planet Doink |
| 15:56:55 | patlabor221 | hmmmmm a 14x speed increase in vis calc time.... I can live witht hat |
| 15:57:06 | doughecka | heh |
| 15:57:17 | Terminator | is made stronger by unberable heat |
| 15:57:20 | PerfectCell | sounds interesting |
| 15:57:28 | captain_proton | who is this social-life-less fool who challenges my position? |
| 15:57:33 | doughecka | makes a one way teleport and clokes it |
| 15:57:33 | Terminator | he is not human |
| 15:57:48 | PerfectCell | 14x speed how comes? |
| 15:57:56 | Terminator | goes back to where the ram is and takes it |
| 15:58:00 | Terminator | haha |
| 15:58:12 | doughecka | dashes through the teleport and aims rocket into the opening |
| 15:58:17 | patlabor221 | I replaced a map find with a lookup into an array |
| 15:58:23 | patlabor221 | wastes a bit more mem |
| 15:58:24 | doughecka | waits for Terminator to follow him |
| 15:58:38 | patlabor221 | but for 14 in my worst case senario I'm ok with that |
| 15:58:39 | Terminator | is smart and does not follow |
| 15:58:50 | captain_proton | strange, map accesses should be almost O(1) |
| 15:59:00 | PerfectCell | what sort of find, find what? |
| 15:59:14 | Terminator | ok i gotta do some english homework now |
| 15:59:14 | PerfectCell | map access is O(1) |
| 15:59:19 | doughecka | fires the heat seaking rocket through the teleport and blasts Terminator into tiny pieces |
| 15:59:19 | Terminator | back in a while |
| 15:59:21 | captain_proton | PerfectCell: not exactly |
| 15:59:23 | doughecka | cya |
| 15:59:26 | patlabor221 | I called map->find (key) |
| 15:59:30 | doughecka | cherrio my good friend |
| 15:59:30 | captain_proton | its O(a very very small factor of n) |
| 15:59:38 | doughecka | tah tah |
| 15:59:44 | scan[ibook] | ehhhhhh??????? |
| 15:59:47 | patlabor221 | I replaced it with map[n] |
| 15:59:49 | Terminator | terminator cannot be destroyed and now he must do his english homework |
| 15:59:49 | doughecka | hooh |
| 15:59:53 | patlabor221 | map[key] |
| 15:59:58 | patlabor221 | but it's not a map anymore |
| 15:59:58 | PerfectCell | k |
| 16:00:16 | PerfectCell | its an array |
| 16:00:18 | patlabor221 | I was using the map to see if I had hit a node before |
| 16:00:19 | doughecka | maps the whole universe into bzworld format |
| 16:00:27 | patlabor221 | so often it would search n |
| 16:00:32 | PerfectCell | k |
| 16:00:57 | captain_proton | i am number...two |
| 16:00:58 | patlabor221 | yeah now it's an array alloacted at world def time. |
| 16:01:22 | patlabor221 | vis calc time went from 0.028 sec to 0.017 sec |
| 16:01:32 | doughecka | how fast is a anthlon XP 1500? |
| 16:01:34 | PerfectCell | cool |
| 16:01:39 | patlabor221 | 1.3 ish I think |
| 16:01:41 | PerfectCell | 1333 |
| 16:01:43 | doughecka | oh |
| 16:01:43 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 16:01:46 | doughecka | thats it? |
| 16:01:53 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 16:01:56 | doughecka | but is it faster than the duron? |
| 16:02:02 | patlabor221 | yes |
| 16:02:06 | captain_proton | H|awaii is number one |
| 16:02:08 | doughecka | hmm |
| 16:02:08 | patlabor221 | it runs 133 FSB |
| 16:02:11 | doughecka | oh |
| 16:02:16 | patlabor221 | and has all sorts of cool things |
| 16:02:21 | doughecka | oh? |
| 16:02:26 | patlabor221 | like more then 64 k of cashe |
| 16:02:30 | doughecka | ah |
| 16:02:32 | doughecka | neat |
| 16:02:43 | patlabor221 | it's just better designed |
| 16:02:51 | doughecka | hmm |
| 16:02:56 | sussudio | you dont notice crap between an athlon 800 and an athlon xp 1600 with bzf :-P |
| 16:03:02 | patlabor221 | the 1.3 durron is a striped down 1.3 tbird |
| 16:03:07 | doughecka | oh? |
| 16:03:12 | doughecka | how striped down? |
| 16:03:24 | doughecka | like cache removed and stuff? |
| 16:03:24 | patlabor221 | on bz yeah, it's not pusing much of anyting |
| 16:03:27 | sussudio | nekkid tbird |
| 16:03:28 | patlabor221 | yeah and teh FSB |
| 16:03:35 | doughecka | ah |
| 16:04:05 | doughecka | hmm |
| 16:04:12 | patlabor221 | the XPs are coming way down |
| 16:04:30 | doughecka | a athlon xp 1500 with K7S5A mobo is 116 including shipping |
| 16:04:32 | patlabor221 | 1700 looks to be the best bang for buck at 60 |
| 16:04:46 | patlabor221 | how much more for a t 1700? |
| 16:04:50 | doughecka | hmm |
| 16:05:05 | doughecka | same mobo |
| 16:05:13 | doughecka | 123 |
| 16:05:30 | patlabor221 | so 7$ |
| 16:05:32 | doughecka | with cpu - ATHLON XP 1700+,1.47GHZ266MHz, AX1700DMT3C w/ Heatsink & Fan, complete combo set.COUPON CODE: PW5005 |
| 16:05:32 | doughecka | (Part - PW5005) |
| 16:05:42 | patlabor221 | I'd get the 1700 for $7 more |
| 16:05:43 | doughecka | and its nearly 1.5 ghz |
| 16:05:45 | doughecka | ok |
| 16:05:47 | patlabor221 | yes |
| 16:05:51 | doughecka | but I would HAVE to get DDR? |
| 16:05:53 | sussudio | cpu isnt very relevant anymore.... youre better off with faster/more ram and a fast harddisk |
| 16:05:56 | patlabor221 | that you do |
| 16:06:04 | doughecka | or could I use the older ram till I get DDR |
| 16:06:08 | patlabor221 | ram does make more a dif |
| 16:06:12 | doughecka | I thought it dont matter... |
| 16:06:26 | patlabor221 | you could but you will be kicking the CPU in the nutz |
| 16:06:31 | doughecka | yea |
| 16:06:34 | doughecka | till I get DDR |
| 16:06:36 | doughecka | hmm |
| 16:06:44 | doughecka | woo, off for lunch |
| 16:06:44 | patlabor221 | the CPU can't do anything if you can't get it the data fast enought |
| 16:06:49 | doughecka | is away: lunch |
| 16:06:51 | doughecka | yea |
| 16:06:52 | doughecka | ok |
| 16:07:19 | patlabor221 | more ram then something needs won't make it faster, but not enought ram will make it slower. |
| 16:07:41 | captain_proton | i need more ram :P |
| 16:07:49 | patlabor221 | what you got now? |
| 16:07:55 | captain_proton | 256 |
| 16:08:00 | patlabor221 | ohh you use that RAMBUS stuff don't you? |
| 16:08:08 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 16:08:09 | doughecka | rambus? |
| 16:08:13 | patlabor221 | then I can not help you |
| 16:08:15 | doughecka | what diferent about htat? |
| 16:08:19 | captain_proton | in general it works most nicely |
| 16:08:25 | captain_proton | there's just not enough of it |
| 16:08:29 | patlabor221 | it's a difrent technology |
| 16:08:36 | doughecka | for pentium 4s? |
| 16:08:38 | patlabor221 | yeah it's not bad ram |
| 16:08:38 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 16:08:45 | patlabor221 | just difrent ram |
| 16:08:45 | doughecka | hmm |
| 16:08:50 | patlabor221 | more expensive ram |
| 16:08:54 | doughecka | yea |
| 16:08:55 | captain_proton | not more expensive |
| 16:09:04 | doughecka | then why use it? |
| 16:09:05 | captain_proton | it used to be more expensive |
| 16:09:06 | patlabor221 | did they finaly get it under controol? |
| 16:09:09 | patlabor221 | that's good |
| 16:09:14 | patlabor221 | it used to be wayyyyyy out there |
| 16:09:17 | gonkulator{work} | is away: class time |
| 16:09:33 | gonkulator{work} | is away: class time |
| 16:09:49 | patlabor221 | yeah it is still too more expensive |
| 16:09:52 | captain_proton | it gives you higher bandwidth to the memory but it requires a processor explicitly designed to use it (like the p4) |
| 16:09:54 | patlabor221 | 150 for 512 |
| 16:10:02 | doughecka | woah |
| 16:10:06 | patlabor221 | DDR is about 100 |
| 16:10:06 | doughecka | I will stick with DDR |
| 16:10:10 | captain_proton | hmm looks like ddr has dropped faster |
| 16:10:22 | captain_proton | there was a point about 6 months ago when they were the exact same price |
| 16:10:29 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 16:10:36 | patlabor221 | DDR has come way down |
| 16:10:39 | patlabor221 | it used to be lower too |
| 16:10:47 | patlabor221 | I got a 512 for 75 once |
| 16:11:19 | patlabor221 | whoa the RDRAM 1066 mhz stuff is still up there |
| 16:11:24 | patlabor221 | 216 for a 512 |
| 16:11:28 | doughecka | 1066 mhz?? |
| 16:11:37 | doughecka | ram that runs in ghz? |
| 16:11:38 | doughecka | wow |
| 16:11:39 | patlabor221 | yeah basltyly QRD stuff |
| 16:11:46 | doughecka | ah |
| 16:11:51 | captain_proton | nothing uses rd 1066 |
| 16:11:58 | patlabor221 | yeah not yet |
| 16:12:15 | patlabor221 | and it's just quaded RAmBUS |
| 16:12:23 | patlabor221 | so it's not a real 1066 |
| 16:12:32 | patlabor221 | jsut the same burst bandwith |
| 16:12:34 | captain_proton | quaded works like the Real Thing |
| 16:12:48 | patlabor221 | well execpt for the latency part of it |
| 16:13:20 | PerfectCell | the best part of the day comes very soon now |
| 16:13:34 | doughecka | hehe |
| 16:13:38 | patlabor221 | still tis the fastst thing out there curently untill QDR hits mainstream |
| 16:13:45 | captain_proton | best part of the day? |
| 16:14:01 | scan[ibook] | waffle time! |
| 16:14:08 | doughecka | 111 for the athlon XP 1700 |
| 16:14:10 | patlabor221 | hammer time? |
| 16:14:14 | doughecka | plus shipping |
| 16:14:19 | scan[ibook] | captain_proton: I enjoyed the first episode of SPACE: 1999 :) |
| 16:14:24 | PerfectCell | dbz starts in 8 min |
| 16:14:25 | captain_proton | i knew ya would |
| 16:14:54 | doughecka | what kind of DDR should I get? |
| 16:15:27 | sussudio | the 5 DOLLAH kind? |
| 16:15:33 | patlabor221 | all you need is PC2100 |
| 16:15:38 | doughecka | hmm |
| 16:15:39 | patlabor221 | anything more is a waste |
| 16:15:46 | doughecka | ok |
| 16:16:03 | doughecka | 256 or 512? |
| 16:16:05 | scan[ibook] | how fast is the bus on PC2100? |
| 16:16:06 | doughecka | hmm |
| 16:16:44 | sussudio | leeeeeeeeeenux doesnt really do much with more than 128MB |
| 16:16:52 | sussudio | win2000/XP eats it all |
| 16:17:04 | patlabor221 | depends onthe app |
| 16:17:04 | doughecka | wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinoowz needs no mroe that 32 |
| 16:17:07 | scan[ibook] | whoa... there's a guy up front drinking Squirt! I didn't know they still made that! |
| 16:17:19 | patlabor221 | that they do |
| 16:17:22 | doughecka | scan[ibook]: maybe he found it |
| 16:17:28 | sussudio | the most i got debian to use was something like 170MB with mozilla and kde loaded |
| 16:17:28 | patlabor221 | carbonated grapefuit jiuce |
| 16:17:38 | doughecka | yuk |
| 16:17:57 | patlabor221 | try ruing actual apps not just the OS and browsers |
| 16:18:02 | doughecka | haha |
| 16:18:03 | patlabor221 | like images in GIMP |
| 16:18:11 | doughecka | like 60 megs tiffs |
| 16:18:23 | doughecka | or 120 meg tiffs for that matter |
| 16:18:27 | sussudio | does doug load 60 meg tiffs |
| 16:18:28 | scan[ibook] | sussudio: gimp, blender, q3radiant... those are all capable of eating all your 512mb |
| 16:18:33 | patlabor221 | or large scale teselations of CNC machines |
| 16:18:40 | sussudio | i have a gig |
| 16:18:46 | patlabor221 | yeah lightmap cals tha'll do it |
| 16:18:54 | doughecka | sussudio: yup |
| 16:19:00 | scan[ibook] | even better.. I should get a full gig one of these days |
| 16:19:04 | doughecka | super high res scans |
| 16:19:09 | scan[ibook] | I have 256mb on this machine, 512 on yoshi |
| 16:19:14 | sussudio | it was supercheap last november..... |
| 16:19:17 | doughecka | hehe |
| 16:19:25 | sussudio | i got 2x512 PC133 |
| 16:19:28 | captain_proton | i can make linux eat up into swap when doing heavy X stuff |
| 16:19:38 | sussudio | 3 weeks later it was 2x as expensive |
| 16:19:42 | sussudio | now it's 5x or 6x the price |
| 16:19:45 | doughecka | ok |
| 16:19:49 | patlabor221 | yeah it PC133 is droping |
| 16:19:55 | scan[ibook] | oh.. I'd definitely have a gig if I was using PC133 |
| 16:20:10 | scan[ibook] | PC2100 is still a lot more expensive |
| 16:20:12 | sussudio | PC133 is what fits on the mobo |
| 16:20:15 | scan[ibook] | nods |
| 16:20:16 | doughecka | so do I get the mobo, or something better for the athlon xp? |
| 16:20:20 | doughecka | er |
| 16:20:23 | doughecka | this mobo: ECS K7S5A |
| 16:20:47 | patlabor221 | I have an XP in that board at the other office now |
| 16:20:47 | sussudio | i think the safe bet is NOT to get a soyo |
| 16:20:49 | patlabor221 | and it works fine |
| 16:20:54 | doughecka | is it fast? |
| 16:20:58 | patlabor221 | yeah those suck the comlete ass |
| 16:21:02 | doughecka | soyo? |
| 16:21:06 | doughecka | never heard of it |
| 16:21:07 | doughecka | :P |
| 16:21:09 | sussudio | aopen is kinda crap too.... |
| 16:21:13 | patlabor221 | it seems to run at norma speed |
| 16:21:15 | captain_proton | makes coffee because its the ONLY CAFFEINE IN SIGHT |
| 16:21:18 | doughecka | ok |
| 16:21:21 | sussudio | took me 3 bios upgrades to stop the fucking thing from making win2000 bluescreen |
| 16:21:25 | patlabor221 | I've alsu used MSI and Shuttle with sucsess |
| 16:21:32 | doughecka | shuttle... |
| 16:21:34 | doughecka | hmm |
| 16:21:34 | scan[ibook] | lusts after captain_proton's coffee |
| 16:21:35 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 16:21:49 | doughecka | is it good? |
| 16:22:02 | doughecka | or is it cheapy type mobo |
| 16:22:02 | sussudio | shuttles dont have agp, right |
| 16:22:02 | patlabor221 | that's whats running the XP1900 at home |
| 16:22:09 | patlabor221 | sure they do |
| 16:22:10 | doughecka | shuttles dont have AGP? |
| 16:22:14 | sussudio | hmm |
| 16:22:20 | patlabor221 | it's a regular KT266a |
| 16:22:23 | doughecka | ok |
| 16:22:29 | patlabor221 | even has 4 dimm slots |
| 16:22:33 | doughecka | ooh |
| 16:22:34 | patlabor221 | the MSI only had 3 |
| 16:22:39 | doughecka | ok |
| 16:22:42 | doughecka | its good? |
| 16:22:42 | sussudio | mine has 3 |
| 16:22:47 | patlabor221 | every mfg makes a board with no AGP |
| 16:22:48 | sussudio | i only have 2 filled |
| 16:22:51 | patlabor221 | you just don't get that one |
| 16:22:51 | doughecka | got a packege in the mail |
| 16:23:01 | sussudio | didnt see the point of 1100MB of mem |
| 16:23:12 | captain_proton | ponders which blend to go with |
| 16:23:15 | patlabor221 | I will proalby have 2 gigs here soon |
| 16:23:22 | doughecka | WOW |
| 16:23:42 | patlabor221 | as I have run out on ocasion with 1 gig |
| 16:23:48 | sussudio | older drivers REALLY dont like it when you have more than 512MB with win2000 |
| 16:23:50 | doughecka | how? |
| 16:23:55 | sussudio | bitchsmacks kodak |
| 16:24:10 | patlabor221 | what drivers? |
| 16:24:16 | patlabor221 | and it was with my own software |
| 16:24:19 | patlabor221 | for lighing calcs |
| 16:24:19 | doughecka | ah |
| 16:24:20 | sussudio | taking a win98 driver and renaming it "win2000 driver"... |
| 16:24:22 | sussudio | webcam driver |
| 16:24:29 | patlabor221 | well yeah |
| 16:24:36 | patlabor221 | that kinda makes sense |
| 16:25:01 | patlabor221 | hmm we are now able to sell PC133 512's for $40 |
| 16:25:04 | doughecka | oooh |
| 16:25:09 | doughecka | got a new laptop |
| 16:25:11 | doughecka | neato |
| 16:25:37 | doughecka | ok... no power supply... |
| 16:26:42 | doughecka | screen cracked... |
| 16:26:47 | doughecka | ooh, a dvd rom... |
| 16:27:14 | doughecka | TV out... USB... modem.. |
| 16:27:22 | patlabor221 | where do you get these busted things? |
| 16:27:47 | doughecka | uncle |
| 16:27:58 | captain_proton | it sounds so cool with all 8 speaker-type-things going at once |
| 16:28:00 | doughecka | he works at The Mark hotel in new york |
| 16:28:04 | sussudio | how do i start bzfs with an added bot? |
| 16:28:09 | sussudio | or is that a client option |
| 16:28:15 | captain_proton | bzflag -solo <n> |
| 16:28:25 | sussudio | client? |
| 16:28:28 | captain_proton | yah |
| 16:28:30 | doughecka | looks like this laptop when through a war |
| 16:28:35 | sussudio | hmmk |
| 16:28:51 | doughecka | compaq armada... |
| 16:29:03 | doughecka | wonders what power supply goes with it |
| 16:31:06 | captain_proton | kicks the server list |
| 16:31:43 | sussudio | kicks the server |
| 16:31:55 | sussudio | hears the harddisk make a nasty whiney sound |
| 16:32:05 | doughecka | wonders where the model number is |
| 16:32:24 | captain_proton | BZFlag: wtf is happening with the server list? i can't register -at all- |
| 16:32:50 | captain_proton | i've been trying for days with different options |
| 16:35:33 | sussudio | dunno it works for me sometimes |
| 16:37:30 | captain_proton | it used to be very reliable, now it seems everybody is having trouble registering public servers |
| 16:39:44 | doughecka | wow |
| 16:39:51 | doughecka | this laptop still has a warrenty on it |
| 16:39:55 | doughecka | grins |
| 16:40:46 | captain_proton | does 'i cracked the screen' fall under warrantability? |
| 16:40:53 | doughecka | dunno |
| 16:41:01 | doughecka | if it dont, all I need to get is a powersupply... |
| 16:41:08 | doughecka | and a monitor |
| 16:42:23 | scan[ibook] | haha.. this prof's talking about UNIX's monolithic kernel being bad compared to NT, when NT does stuff like running IIS in kernel mode... |
| 16:42:44 | doughecka | neato |
| 16:43:01 | doughecka | enter in the serial number, and get all the things the laptop was shipped with |
| 16:43:23 | captain_proton | this is your osclass? |
| 16:43:27 | scan[ibook] | captain_proton: yeah |
| 16:43:42 | captain_proton | talking about UNIX meaning AT&T proper? |
| 16:43:58 | scan[ibook] | captain_proton: maybe.. he seems to know just enough about newer UNIXes to be dangerous |
| 16:44:07 | scan[ibook] | captain_proton: like.. he still thinks linux uses a.out binaries |
| 16:44:21 | captain_proton | because BSD is most definitely not a monolithic kernel |
| 16:44:41 | scan[ibook] | there's Mach and HURD if you want real microkernels... |
| 16:45:14 | captain_proton | yup |
| 16:45:40 | scan[ibook] | seems like microkernels make software engineers feel all warm and fuzzy inside, but they don't get as much actual work done |
| 16:45:51 | captain_proton | right |
| 16:46:02 | captain_proton | thats the point |
| 16:46:13 | captain_proton | everything thats actually useful is done in userland |
| 16:46:15 | scan[ibook] | OS X is based on Mach, and it's slow as frozen peanutbutter... |
| 16:46:34 | scan[ibook] | HURD is a few times the binary size of Linux and isn't even useful yet |
| 16:46:40 | captain_proton | uhhuh |
| 16:46:48 | captain_proton | although HURD has some really cool features |
| 16:46:51 | captain_proton | like the authorization server |
| 16:46:52 | doughecka | hmm |
| 16:46:59 | scan[ibook] | might be.. I should try HURD |
| 16:47:02 | doughecka | no screens for replacement... |
| 16:47:12 | sussudio | scan[ibook]: haha |
| 16:47:19 | scan[ibook] | Need to get around to trying a lot of OSes I haven't tried yet, like OpenBSD |
| 16:47:32 | sussudio | hurd doesnt even have ppp |
| 16:47:36 | scan[ibook] | I've tried BeOS, QNX, FreeBSD.. though not for very long |
| 16:47:46 | patlabor221 | is Be still around? |
| 16:47:46 | scan[ibook] | I don't need ppp :) |
| 16:47:49 | captain_proton | it feels like linux, smells a little like linux, but its not linux |
| 16:48:00 | sussudio | hurd cant do partitions bigger than 1GB |
| 16:48:02 | scan[ibook] | patlabor221: you can still get BeOS, but the company is dead.. hence the OpenBeOS project |
| 16:48:08 | patlabor221 | ahhhh |
| 16:48:13 | captain_proton | patlabor221: not really, a good number of the original be employees are working to rewrite it as an open source project |
| 16:48:26 | captain_proton | QNX is just too sexy |
| 16:48:42 | scan[ibook] | Everyone would want to use QNX if it was open source |
| 16:48:50 | captain_proton | helllll yeah |
| 16:49:21 | sussudio | you need a hellofalot of pyramids to get rid of the damn "laser kills all" ricochet |
| 16:49:32 | captain_proton | well i should be off to my logic lab |
| 16:49:40 | captain_proton | farewell all |
| 16:49:43 | doughecka | logic? |
| 16:49:44 | scan[ibook] | bye captain_proton |
| 16:49:46 | doughecka | what logic? |
| 16:49:49 | sussudio | prefers the illogic lab |
| 16:49:56 | scan[ibook] | if you have no pyramids, does the laser bounce infinitely? |
| 16:50:05 | sussudio | scan[ibook] ooh yeah. |
| 16:50:10 | scan[ibook] | hehe |
| 16:50:14 | doughecka | wonders how to register to get a part, it need a company name |
| 16:50:34 | patlabor221 | must be a dell. |
| 16:50:36 | scan[ibook] | "doughecka's Widgets Incorporated (tm)" |
| 16:50:39 | sussudio | dude! |
| 16:50:48 | doughecka | patlabor221: compaq |
| 16:50:56 | patlabor221 | ohhhh I am soooo sorry |
| 16:51:01 | scan[ibook] | eww... |
| 16:51:05 | patlabor221 | just save the trouble and set it on fire |
| 16:51:07 | doughecka | compaq armada m700 |
| 16:51:11 | doughecka | :) |
| 16:51:14 | doughecka | fun fun |
| 16:51:19 | doughecka | corp laptops |
| 16:51:20 | patlabor221 | trust me, fire is the best way |
| 16:51:22 | doughecka | nah |
| 16:51:23 | scan[ibook] | I have friends that used to have compaq laptops... they were a pain in the ass |
| 16:51:24 | patlabor221 | or else they come back |
| 16:51:35 | scan[ibook] | My friend Mark did the right thing and gave the Compaq to his sister and bought an iBook |
| 16:51:39 | patlabor221 | they are we will never buy a compaw anything again |
| 16:51:39 | doughecka | haha |
| 16:51:47 | doughecka | but it has a dvd rom in it! |
| 16:51:49 | patlabor221 | so |
| 16:51:54 | patlabor221 | it's tainted |
| 16:51:57 | patlabor221 | with evil |
| 16:52:01 | doughecka | it would be great as a standalone dvd player |
| 16:52:09 | patlabor221 | just order the part from HP |
| 16:52:14 | patlabor221 | they are one and the same now |
| 16:52:17 | doughecka | yea |
| 16:52:23 | doughecka | but its under warrenty |
| 16:52:30 | doughecka | so I can maybe get it for free |
| 16:52:30 | patlabor221 | then send it back |
| 16:52:34 | doughecka | or that |
| 16:52:35 | patlabor221 | and make them fix it |
| 16:52:38 | scan[ibook] | warrantees almost always don't cover the LCD |
| 16:52:44 | patlabor221 | true |
| 16:52:45 | doughecka | yea |
| 16:52:48 | doughecka | I can see that |
| 16:52:50 | doughecka | :Z |
| 16:52:53 | doughecka | but maybe... |
| 16:52:55 | doughecka | ebay!! |
| 16:53:06 | scan[ibook] | I cracked the LCD on my Zaurus a while back.. it was cheaper to buy a new one than to get them to fix the LCD :( |
| 16:53:15 | doughecka | ih? |
| 16:53:18 | doughecka | oh? |
| 16:53:23 | doughecka | you still have the borken one? |
| 16:53:29 | scan[ibook] | yeah |
| 16:53:56 | scan[ibook] | I still use it for testing stuff... the display itself works, but the digitizer is pretty much dead |
| 16:53:59 | sussudio | my server registered just fine |
| 16:54:03 | patlabor221 | how much are those going for now? |
| 16:54:06 | doughecka | oooh |
| 16:54:16 | sussudio | anyone want to give it a go? sussudio.dyndns.org, etc........ it's in the server list |
| 16:54:19 | scan[ibook] | you can get one for $350 some places I think.. |
| 16:54:20 | doughecka | I can get a new screen for $200 |
| 16:54:48 | scan[ibook] | they wanted $300 for the screen to be fixed, and that probably didn't include shipping.. I could get the new model with twice the memory instead |
| 16:55:02 | doughecka | haha |
| 16:55:02 | scan[ibook] | so now I have a 5000D with a cracked digitizer, and a still fully functional 5500 |
| 16:56:08 | scan[ibook] | decides to keep his desktop busy counting how many lines of code are in his home directory |
| 16:56:24 | doughecka | haha |
| 16:56:33 | patlabor221 | maps a bit busy I think |
| 16:56:52 | doughecka | I could get a ps for 18 bucks |
| 16:57:04 | sussudio | aww |
| 16:57:12 | doughecka | hmm |
| 16:57:19 | doughecka | the screen aint THAT cracked |
| 16:57:22 | patlabor221 | boss man came buy |
| 16:57:24 | doughecka | just a little |
| 16:57:27 | patlabor221 | by not buy |
| 16:57:29 | doughecka | patlabor221: hehe |
| 16:59:23 | doughecka | wonders if his other power supply will work with this one... |
| 17:00:56 | scan[ibook] | whoa.. interestingn article on OSnews... |
| 17:01:17 | scan[ibook] | Apple isn't using the power4 or the x86 or the hammer... they're getting IBM to build a custom CPU for them |
| 17:02:12 | patlabor221 | they allways have to be difrent don't they |
| 17:02:25 | doughecka | oh? |
| 17:02:33 | scan[ibook] | hey, I'm all for new CPU architectures |
| 17:02:38 | scan[ibook] | as long as I can run linux on it :) |
| 17:02:40 | doughecka | NEATO! |
| 17:02:46 | doughecka | my powersupply fits this laptop... |
| 17:02:55 | doughecka | hopes it dont fry as he plugs it in |
| 17:03:08 | scan[ibook] | doughecka: did you check the voltage and polarity? |
| 17:03:13 | doughecka | hmm |
| 17:03:17 | doughecka | the volrtage is right |
| 17:03:26 | sussudio | how bout the.....polarity |
| 17:03:27 | doughecka | and the polarity is right too |
| 17:03:31 | doughecka | I think |
| 17:03:32 | sussudio | and...... |
| 17:03:36 | sussudio | amperage? |
| 17:03:42 | doughecka | dont matter |
| 17:03:44 | sussudio | alternating current.....or...... |
| 17:03:47 | doughecka | it has more than it needs |
| 17:03:50 | doughecka | sussudio: pff |
| 17:04:05 | patlabor221 | should be DC |
| 17:04:17 | sussudio | sure. |
| 17:04:27 | sussudio | thats what i thought with the damn modems :-P |
| 17:04:29 | sussudio | 9V AC |
| 17:04:36 | doughecka | wierd |
| 17:04:40 | sussudio | nope |
| 17:04:43 | sussudio | seems most of them are |
| 17:05:07 | doughecka | it boots! |
| 17:05:11 | doughecka | yay |
| 17:05:14 | doughecka | oh yuk |
| 17:05:18 | doughecka | the screen is toast |
| 17:06:36 | sussudio | hmm toast |
| 17:07:17 | Terminator | i is back |
| 17:07:57 | doughecka | gets a compaq logo |
| 17:08:05 | doughecka | it has NT on it |
| 17:08:26 | patlabor221 | set it on fire |
| 17:08:32 | doughecka | nah |
| 17:08:35 | doughecka | 128 megs of ram.. |
| 17:08:40 | doughecka | does NT play dvds? |
| 17:08:42 | patlabor221 | no |
| 17:08:43 | doughecka | its 500 mhz |
| 17:08:48 | doughecka | why? |
| 17:09:09 | patlabor221 | becasue it dosn't suport the hardware stuff |
| 17:09:13 | doughecka | wonders what the password is |
| 17:09:15 | patlabor221 | and it dosn't have a player |
| 17:09:18 | doughecka | ah |
| 17:09:19 | patlabor221 | proalby nothing |
| 17:09:22 | doughecka | then XP goes on it |
| 17:09:27 | doughecka | :) |
| 17:09:29 | doughecka | ooh |
| 17:09:34 | patlabor221 | 128 I'd put 2k on it |
| 17:09:36 | doughecka | it has novell on it |
| 17:09:40 | doughecka | yuk |
| 17:09:46 | doughecka | novel messes things up |
| 17:09:56 | doughecka | wow |
| 17:10:01 | doughecka | it gets pretty high res |
| 17:10:32 | patlabor221 | 1024? |
| 17:10:36 | doughecka | yea |
| 17:10:46 | doughecka | wierd |
| 17:10:55 | Terminator | g2g |
| 17:10:56 | doughecka | this novell stuff has all kinds of login options... |
| 17:11:00 | patlabor221 | that's not high |
| 17:11:07 | doughecka | ok then, I am gonna reset the password |
| 17:11:11 | patlabor221 | my laptop does that |
| 17:11:11 | doughecka | grins |
| 17:11:16 | patlabor221 | adn it's crap |
| 17:11:17 | doughecka | whoops |
| 17:11:21 | doughecka | no floppy |
| 17:11:24 | doughecka | pff |
| 17:12:54 | doughecka | wonders if it has a bios |
| 17:13:01 | patlabor221 | it has to |
| 17:13:05 | doughecka | or do I have to use a silly compaq boot floppy |
| 17:13:24 | patlabor221 | you mean does it have a bios setup |
| 17:13:25 | doughecka | bah |
| 17:13:26 | patlabor221 | not a bios |
| 17:13:27 | doughecka | yea |
| 17:13:41 | doughecka | bah, I unpluged it, plug it back in, and I get windowz |
| 17:13:46 | doughecka | in when to sleep |
| 17:14:44 | doughecka | woot, it boots off CDs |
| 17:15:26 | doughecka | no network card... |
| 17:15:38 | doughecka | hmm |
| 17:15:49 | doughecka | would a 500 mhz comp with 128 megs of ram run XP ok? |
| 17:16:14 | patlabor221 | 128 is low |
| 17:16:20 | patlabor221 | you would hit VM a lot |
| 17:16:23 | doughecka | yea |
| 17:16:29 | doughecka | but its got a big drive in it |
| 17:16:36 | patlabor221 | it's not size |
| 17:16:37 | patlabor221 | it's speed |
| 17:16:39 | doughecka | 128 is the min, right? |
| 17:16:41 | doughecka | yea |
| 17:16:46 | patlabor221 | and XP may not support all the hardware in it |
| 17:16:50 | doughecka | hmm |
| 17:16:53 | doughecka | yea |
| 17:16:55 | patlabor221 | so it may not work with everything |
| 17:17:14 | doughecka | I sure *cough* compaq has drivers |
| 17:17:29 | sussudio | dont count on it |
| 17:17:33 | doughecka | sheesh, XP install STILL looks like NT installing |
| 17:17:47 | sussudio | laptops often only work with the OS it came with |
| 17:17:53 | doughecka | hmm |
| 17:17:54 | doughecka | yea |
| 17:17:54 | scan[ibook] | XP is NT |
| 17:17:59 | sussudio | cause the manufacturers dont want to update the drivers..... |
| 17:18:04 | doughecka | hmm |
| 17:18:06 | scan[ibook] | sussudio: or linux :) |
| 17:18:08 | doughecka | a 10 gig drinve... |
| 17:18:15 | doughecka | linux... |
| 17:18:21 | doughecka | good idea |
| 17:18:22 | patlabor221 | XP is NT based |
| 17:18:27 | doughecka | but would it support DVD drives? |
| 17:18:42 | doughecka | I know, but you owuld think they could get mouse support during install... |
| 17:18:49 | patlabor221 | but if it came with NT4 then there may not be 2k or XP drivers for it |
| 17:18:58 | patlabor221 | depends |
| 17:19:17 | patlabor221 | does it have a mouse |
| 17:19:19 | patlabor221 | or a pad? |
| 17:19:26 | doughecka | niether |
| 17:19:51 | doughecka | a pencil eraser thingy stick mouse thing |
| 17:20:25 | scan[ibook] | a nipple! |
| 17:21:30 | scan[ibook] | aha, the results are in... I have 12,186,614 lines of code in my home directory |
| 17:21:37 | patlabor221 | track niple |
| 17:21:38 | doughecka | wow |
| 17:21:45 | doughecka | patlabor221: yyyeaaa.. |
| 17:21:51 | scan[ibook] | only like 80000 of them are mine :) |
| 17:21:57 | doughecka | only... |
| 17:23:05 | doughecka | 299 for a new display.. |
| 17:23:24 | doughecka | 14 inch XGA |
| 17:25:17 | doughecka | hmm |
| 17:25:26 | doughecka | a brandnew wireless access point... |
| 17:31:33 | doughecka | woo, XP |
| 17:32:34 | patlabor221 | food |
| 17:33:29 | doughecka | food is good |
| 17:35:38 | doughecka | sheesh, everything nowadays is sooo easy to setup |
| 17:36:13 | sussudio | hah. |
| 17:36:39 | sussudio | leaves doughecka with an empty harddisk and a slackware cd |
| 17:36:56 | doughecka | I said hnowadays |
| 17:40:38 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 17:40:38 | prodan | ibot ducati |
| 17:40:39 | bzbot | Jonny (R): 5 (91-86). nobody (G): -17 (31-48). sensman (R): 8 (69-61). tankmann (R): -3 (2-5). Ivan (G): -22 (47-69). wip (G): -16 (12-28). pathetic luser (R): 9 (53-44). Zwei (G): -1 (11-12). |
| 17:46:11 | | bzflag was last seen on #uclibc 10 hours, 1 minutes and 28 seconds ago, saying: nite [Thu Sep 19 08:44:43 2002] |
| 17:46:11 | doughecka | ibot seen bzflag |
| 17:46:15 | | I haven't seen 'pig', doughecka |
| 17:46:15 | doughecka | ibot seen pig |
| 17:46:18 | | I haven't seen 'swine', doughecka |
| 17:46:18 | doughecka | ibot seen swine |
| 17:46:32 | pig | bleh |
| 17:46:34 | pig | oink |
| 17:46:54 | | pig was last seen on #bzflag 20 seconds ago, saying: oink [Thu Sep 19 18:46:34 2002] |
| 17:46:54 | bzdoug | ibot seen pig |
| 17:54:12 | | I haven't seen 'flying', sussudio |
| 17:54:12 | sussudio | ibot seen flying pigs |
| 17:54:23 | bzdoug | good |
| 17:54:32 | | sussudio: what? |
| 17:54:32 | sussudio | ibot bacon |
| 17:54:38 | sussudio | bacon! |
| 17:55:57 | | sussudio: excuse me? |
| 17:55:57 | sussudio | ibot: bid on doug's ram |
| 17:56:04 | bzdoug | nah |
| 17:56:45 | | bid on doug's ram is, like, FOUR |
| 17:56:45 | sussudio | ibot: bid on doug's ram |
| 17:56:50 | sussudio | no |
| 17:57:09 | | sussudio: excuse me? |
| 17:57:09 | sussudio | ibot: you're fucked |
| 17:58:38 | sussudio | gah |
| 17:58:45 | sussudio | i just zapped by ZDF |
| 17:58:46 | sussudio | that was bad |
| 17:59:21 | bzdoug | ZDF? |
| 17:59:27 | sussudio | yes |
| 17:59:29 | sussudio | german tv |
| 18:00:00 | bzdoug | ah |
| 18:01:42 | bzdoug | COMPUTERS! |
| 18:02:11 | sussudio | blames prodan |
| 18:03:25 | bzdoug | kicks sussudio to mars |
| 18:03:43 | sussudio | forces bzdoug to watch ZDF |
| 18:03:55 | bzdoug | does not have ZDF here |
| 18:04:02 | | sussudio is nothing but a bawdy stack of surly Stimpy-drool. |
| 18:04:02 | prodan | ibot insult sussudio |
| 18:04:09 | | bzdoug: wish i knew |
| 18:04:09 | bzdoug | ibot sussudio? |
| 18:04:21 | | OK, bzdoug. |
| 18:04:21 | bzdoug | ibot sussudio is <reply> sussudio is nothing but a bawdy stack of surly Stimpy-drool. |
| 18:04:26 | | sussudio is nothing but a bawdy stack of surly Stimpy-drool. |
| 18:04:26 | bzdoug | ibot sussudio? |
| 18:04:30 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 18:04:50 | bzdoug | The most dependable windows for networking. |
| 18:04:56 | bzdoug | ahh, riiiight |
| 18:07:26 | | d is for dumb |
| 18:07:26 | prodan | ibot bzdoug |
| 18:07:37 | bzdoug | yup yup yup |
| 18:07:54 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 18:07:54 | [TeA] | ibot, ducati |
| 18:07:56 | bzbot | Jonny (R): 10 (145-135). nobody (G): -35 (74-109). Gimli (R): -4 (46-50). tankmann (R): 27 (73-46). Ivan (G): -39 (92-131). lol (G): 3 (11-8). wip (G): -32 (56-88). mwa (R): -12 (10-22). |
| 18:07:57 | [TeA] | hi all !!!!!! |
| 18:08:20 | sussudio | blames [TeA] too |
| 18:08:39 | sussudio | yay it's gone! |
| 18:09:13 | sussudio | no more schlagershit |
| 18:10:22 | [TeA] | lol |
| 18:18:19 | PerfectCell | now im ready to export everything i need from 3d studio( animation keys, little game logic, split all polygons to a 3d grid),now i can make great effects in a row, and plug them right into my game |
| 18:19:31 | bzdoug | neat |
| 18:19:41 | PerfectCell | thanks to my cute script |
| 18:22:06 | PerfectCell | i try some animated rgba vertex color effects |
| 18:28:22 | PerfectCell | the only thing im not sure now is if should merge shadow polygons into the world database or use lightmaps(teh creation of lightmaps is very slow with the tool i use, due to the physikalyy accurate radiosity lightning calculation, this is really a drawback, also u get some coll effects like area lights an reflected shadows) |
| 18:31:28 | patlabor221 | cell: the light maps thing is a one shot deal tho right? |
| 18:31:42 | PerfectCell | yes |
| 18:32:28 | patlabor221 | that's not too bad |
| 18:32:35 | patlabor221 | how long does it take for a level? |
| 18:32:49 | PerfectCell | depens on polygoncount |
| 18:33:03 | PerfectCell | and settings for the radiosity processor |
| 18:33:25 | bzdoug | wants to see a car fall out of a plane |
| 18:33:25 | patlabor221 | are we taling days? hours? |
| 18:33:52 | Chestal | bzdoug: pay them $15000 and it could be your car |
| 18:33:55 | PerfectCell | i used about 3000 polys and a lumel was 16x16 (u,v) and two lightsources, took 2 hours .( |
| 18:34:06 | bzdoug | Chestal: I dont have 15000 nor the car |
| 18:34:11 | patlabor221 | wow that is long |
| 18:34:15 | bzdoug | http://www.skydivingstunts.com/Pages/skydriving.html |
| 18:34:17 | PerfectCell | yes |
| 18:34:40 | patlabor221 | well if you use shadow polys they will have a hard edge |
| 18:34:51 | patlabor221 | if you lightmap it will look better |
| 18:34:57 | PerfectCell | it takes endless to get the light energy distribution to zero |
| 18:35:01 | patlabor221 | perhaps there are better ways to optimise the calc time |
| 18:35:29 | PerfectCell | yees maybe i should split the level in independent parts |
| 18:35:36 | PerfectCell | but thqats not that easy |
| 18:37:35 | patlabor221 | maybe there are ways to make the calc a bit less acurate and faster |
| 18:37:36 | PerfectCell | a hard edge shadow fits well with a technical, modern(i.e tank factory) database |
| 18:38:17 | patlabor221 | well then you can just put them in the wrold, or do some stencel stuff |
| 18:38:48 | PerfectCell | stencel needs two rendering passes, i use that only on dynamic characters |
| 18:39:09 | patlabor221 | then looks like you have already decided |
| 18:39:33 | PerfectCell | not on static shadows |
| 18:40:47 | PerfectCell | i also dont use bsp because i want to play my level, right after creation, i use only samll bsps, within each grid, that are constructed within a second |
| 18:43:55 | PerfectCell | and then i sort everything back to front that is within the view frustum, normally on a bzflag like box world, 35% of my data is in the frustum, due to the very far far clipping plane,maybe i should use some fog |
| 18:44:37 | captain_proton | sussudio: laser doesn't bounce infinitely |
| 18:44:40 | PerfectCell | it gets up to 70% if im in a corner |
| 18:44:42 | captain_proton | its got 100x the range of a normal shot |
| 18:45:11 | bzdoug | woo |
| 18:45:13 | bzdoug | XP is installed |
| 18:46:27 | scanline | is back (gone 03:03:11) |
| 18:48:30 | PerfectCell | but in the next week i will concentrate on the network part, dont expect this too be to challanging with .net framework, since i have a good concept too |
| 18:50:05 | captain_proton | wheee |
| 18:50:26 | captain_proton | my lab parter and i are the only group that are 2 cs majors together in my section but we're kicking so much ass on the labs |
| 18:51:23 | captain_proton | all the other groups bow down to our speed and efficiency |
| 18:51:43 | PerfectCell | i will also use only one thread for all the client sockets on the server just like bzflag does, if im right |
| 18:53:12 | captain_proton | yes, bzfs doesn't use threads |
| 18:54:07 | PerfectCell | oh, then i remembered the source correct |
| 18:55:24 | bzdoug | wonders where XPs desktop is |
| 18:56:23 | sussudio | bzdoug: /dev/hell ? |
| 18:57:07 | bzdoug | har har |
| 19:00:41 | PerfectCell | if im not admin and let a user make a new dir in a dir i own and he chmods it 700 can i delete my whole dir? |
| 19:00:53 | scanline | captain_proton: found /navi/public/oldgames yet? :) |
| 19:02:30 | PerfectCell | just because i gave a friend some space of my filespace for the internet, but now i need that back, but cant delete |
| 19:02:47 | captain_proton | scanline: no, lemme look |
| 19:03:04 | captain_proton | scanline: oooh |
| 19:03:19 | captain_proton | too bad i don't have a programmable genesis cart |
| 19:03:24 | bzdoug | wonders how to get a XP driver to a laptop without floppy |
| 19:03:37 | scanline | my two favorite NES games were Super Mario 3 and the Fantastic Adventures of Dizzy |
| 19:03:55 | PerfectCell | my was super metroid and ff3 |
| 19:04:06 | scanline | PerfectCell: that's the SNES... |
| 19:04:13 | PerfectCell | oh sorry |
| 19:04:17 | captain_proton | yay, mass complaining about ITS |
| 19:04:28 | scanline | I need to play ff3... from what I've seen it's an awesome game |
| 19:04:37 | captain_proton | xyzzy says, "oh, and you should check out the salaries of the ITS managers. they make a LOT of money (e.g. $90,000 - $100,000 /year)" |
| 19:04:37 | captain_proton | gato says, "grrr. now I'm all depressed :(" |
| 19:04:37 | captain_proton | xyzzy says, "and of course there are a lot of them, too, all sitting around in meetings and patting each other on the backs" |
| 19:04:37 | captain_proton | paco says, "complain really loudly if you're unhappy. it's the only way things ever really change, man" |
| 19:04:38 | captain_proton | You say, "i should be an ITS manager. i'm qualified" |
| 19:04:39 | captain_proton | paco says, "aren't we all? ;)" |
| 19:04:40 | PerfectCell | yes it s great |
| 19:04:42 | captain_proton | xyzzy says, "hmm, dunno about that, david. you actually get things done, right? that's a black mark against you." |
| 19:04:47 | captain_proton | paco says, "heh heh" |
| 19:04:49 | captain_proton | You say, "i can be truly useless if need be" |
| 19:04:51 | captain_proton | gato .o0( especially for 100K ) |
| 19:05:04 | PerfectCell | what is an its |
| 19:05:06 | PerfectCell | ? |
| 19:05:24 | captain_proton | ITS is the group 'responsible' for the main network and a good number of the labs here on campus |
| 19:05:41 | PerfectCell | kinda network admin? |
| 19:06:09 | captain_proton | supposedly |
| 19:06:27 | PerfectCell | and why do the y get paid so much, is their job so demanding, challenging or difficult |
| 19:06:57 | captain_proton | PerfectCell: nobody knows why they get paid that much |
| 19:07:01 | captain_proton | they're completely incompetant |
| 19:07:06 | captain_proton | hmm, /me needs more tortillas |
| 19:07:16 | PerfectCell | oh, then i want to join |
| 19:07:21 | PerfectCell | :) |
| 19:07:33 | PerfectCell | and i buy me a ferrary next christmas |
| 19:07:59 | PerfectCell | but the y sure want let me join |
| 19:08:39 | bzdoug | patlabor221: you here? |
| 19:10:07 | captain_proton | haha, my roommate and I, on our juice runs, have a loop invariant |
| 19:10:15 | bzdoug | is a ATI rage mobality good? |
| 19:10:21 | captain_proton | no |
| 19:10:40 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 19:10:48 | scanline | hehe.. unless you consider being able to run Quake 3 at 15FPS good |
| 19:11:06 | captain_proton | scanline: the new fpga boards they've got are pretty nice |
| 19:11:15 | scanline | captain_proton: really.. what kind? |
| 19:11:25 | scanline | I guess they finally broke all the XS40 boards |
| 19:11:26 | captain_proton | digilent - got some sort of spartan2 chip on them |
| 19:11:49 | scanline | cool |
| 19:11:59 | bzdoug | oh? quake 3 at 15 FPS aint bad on a old laptop |
| 19:12:00 | scanline | what kind of spartan2? |
| 19:12:07 | captain_proton | wants to see if they'll let him hook up custom hardware if he buffers it |
| 19:12:19 | captain_proton | i'm not sure |
| 19:12:23 | captain_proton | something-tq144 |
| 19:12:34 | scanline | captain_proton: something==200? |
| 19:12:48 | captain_proton | could be :) |
| 19:12:53 | scanline | anyway, that's probably the same chip I have... |
| 19:13:16 | scanline | what software are you using? Xilinx WEBpack? |
| 19:13:25 | scanline | or something expensive? :) |
| 19:13:38 | captain_proton | whatever the newest xilinx "IDE" is |
| 19:13:46 | scanline | hrm... |
| 19:13:50 | scanline | they have a few of them |
| 19:14:10 | captain_proton | lemme look on the web site |
| 19:14:18 | scanline | there's Foundation, which is their not-terribly-super-expensive stuff, that we used on the XS40 boards |
| 19:14:34 | scanline | I'm using WEBpack, it's their barely-does-verilog-but-a-free-download product |
| 19:14:49 | scanline | there's also Alliance I think.. the expensive one |
| 19:15:10 | scanline | Are you still using schematics, or do they start you off with VHDL/Verilog this year? |
| 19:15:21 | PerfectCell | is there a gamedev irc somewhere? |
| 19:15:40 | captain_proton | still doing schematics |
| 19:15:43 | scanline | k |
| 19:16:05 | scanline | captain_proton: do your boards have a VGA port? |
| 19:16:34 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 19:16:40 | scanline | captain_proton: what's the color depth? |
| 19:16:47 | scanline | most of them are shitty, like 2 bits per channel |
| 19:16:55 | captain_proton | i think they're running BaseX |
| 19:17:02 | captain_proton | scanline: dunno, haven't looked at the specs at all |
| 19:17:07 | scanline | if you have enough free IO pins, you can wire up a nice VGA port with 15-bit color, using only a handful of resistors |
| 19:17:57 | scanline | with a spartan II and an improvised true color VGA port, you could probably build a 3D accelerator |
| 19:18:20 | scanline | what kind of RAM do the boards have? DRAM or SRAM? |
| 19:18:26 | captain_proton | 3-bit vga |
| 19:18:37 | scanline | feh.. 3-bit... |
| 19:18:41 | scanline | total or per-channel? |
| 19:19:39 | captain_proton | total |
| 19:19:43 | scanline | yuck |
| 19:19:51 | scanline | definitely need to build you a better VGA port... |
| 19:20:17 | scanline | might as well do a joystick adaptor and ethernet while you're at it :) |
| 19:20:31 | scanline | you could probably do UDP in hardware no problem |
| 19:20:43 | patlabor221 | doug I am here |
| 19:20:59 | patlabor221 | the ATI rage mobility is a little rage pro |
| 19:21:04 | bzdoug | qhat aqua theme did you use? |
| 19:21:06 | patlabor221 | it sucks complete ass |
| 19:21:07 | bzdoug | oh, ok |
| 19:21:10 | captain_proton | ethernet? :) |
| 19:21:19 | scanline | captain_proton: that's what you need to do... build a hardware unit to draw texture mapped triangles, and a RISC CPU.. do a multiplayer game that communicates via UDP |
| 19:21:20 | patlabor221 | but it at least has GL support |
| 19:21:26 | bzdoug | yea |
| 19:21:30 | scanline | captain_proton: I expect anisotropic filtering! |
| 19:21:32 | patlabor221 | I used the one that comes with styleXP |
| 19:21:33 | bzdoug | its rather snappy in XP |
| 19:21:35 | captain_proton | i'm sure you do |
| 19:21:38 | scanline | hehe |
| 19:21:38 | bzdoug | styleXP? |
| 19:21:43 | patlabor221 | it's 2d performace is fine |
| 19:21:46 | bzdoug | hmm, lemme google |
| 19:21:53 | scanline | captain_proton: yeah.. you got better boards than we had, so you have to make something really spiffy |
| 19:21:59 | patlabor221 | you need style XP to install the visual styles |
| 19:22:15 | patlabor221 | my laptop has the same chipset |
| 19:22:28 | bzdoug | ok |
| 19:22:38 | bzdoug | I found style XP |
| 19:22:40 | bzdoug | is it free? |
| 19:22:47 | captain_proton | scanline: hmm, i could implement manticore :) |
| 19:22:47 | patlabor221 | not realy |
| 19:23:01 | bzdoug | not really... |
| 19:23:04 | bzdoug | Mmm |
| 19:23:15 | patlabor221 | but there are ways |
| 19:23:21 | bzdoug | yes |
| 19:23:24 | scanline | captain_proton: I need to try manticore.... but I think I need a bigger FPGA with a PCI interface |
| 19:23:27 | bzdoug | ;) |
| 19:23:36 | captain_proton | scanline: yeah, probably |
| 19:24:08 | scanline | and they probably use a real RAMDAC, not just a R-2R ladder |
| 19:24:19 | bzdoug | I just want to get rid of this bloated XP format |
| 19:24:23 | bzdoug | and get something pretty |
| 19:24:35 | scanline | bzdoug: use twm! |
| 19:24:54 | patlabor221 | format? |
| 19:24:55 | bzdoug | gags |
| 19:25:00 | bzdoug | theme |
| 19:25:04 | patlabor221 | you mean visual style |
| 19:25:08 | patlabor221 | change it to windows clasic |
| 19:25:11 | bzdoug | whatever |
| 19:25:15 | bzdoug | yea |
| 19:25:15 | patlabor221 | it's simpl;e |
| 19:25:22 | bzdoug | but I would like the one you had |
| 19:25:29 | patlabor221 | then get style XP |
| 19:25:29 | bzdoug | it looked pretty cool |
| 19:25:37 | bzdoug | its downloading.. |
| 19:25:40 | captain_proton | twm is pretty enough to use |
| 19:25:45 | bzdoug | but whats the trial? |
| 19:25:47 | bzdoug | 30 day? |
| 19:25:50 | patlabor221 | yes |
| 19:25:57 | patlabor221 | but there are ways |
| 19:25:57 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 19:25:58 | scanline | bleh, shareware |
| 19:26:10 | captain_proton | shareware is so very dead |
| 19:26:18 | patlabor221 | I prefre to call it gankware |
| 19:26:23 | captain_proton | drinks "orange" juice |
| 19:26:34 | bzdoug | patlabor221: do you have one of those "ways" |
| 19:26:38 | scanline | wonders what color it really is |
| 19:26:51 | captain_proton | scanline: very very orange |
| 19:27:04 | captain_proton | some blend of a variety of 'exotic' fruits |
| 19:27:13 | scanline | like sunny delight? |
| 19:27:23 | captain_proton | like dark orange |
| 19:28:01 | bzdoug | woopdedo, this laptop is pretty fast |
| 19:28:11 | bzdoug | too bad the LCD is toast |
| 19:28:40 | sussudio | maybe add some cream cheese |
| 19:28:55 | bzdoug | butter is better on toast |
| 19:28:56 | captain_proton | multiplays a bjork album |
| 19:28:59 | patlabor221 | LCD? Little Choclate Donut? |
| 19:29:04 | bzdoug | cream cheese os for bagels |
| 19:29:07 | sussudio | captain_proton: why? |
| 19:29:20 | captain_proton | sussudio: because i can |
| 19:29:31 | sussudio | i hope the volume is at 0 |
| 19:29:52 | captain_proton | i'm a sucker for anybody with a weird voice |
| 19:30:12 | sussudio | i was at the vet yesterday and there was this guinea pig getting stitches.... sounded about the same |
| 19:30:16 | bzdoug | patlabor221: what was the aqua style that you have? |
| 19:30:25 | bzdoug | sussudio: hoho |
| 19:30:41 | sussudio | bzdoug: no more like SQUEEEHI HI HI SQUEEEEEE HI HI |
| 19:30:50 | patlabor221 | the one that comes with syle XP |
| 19:30:50 | bzdoug | rofl |
| 19:30:52 | captain_proton | plus just about everything sounds cool with the stereo this good |
| 19:31:00 | patlabor221 | it's part of the "comunity" pack |
| 19:31:01 | bzdoug | patlabor221: it dont come with a aqua |
| 19:31:06 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 19:31:06 | patlabor221 | yes it does |
| 19:31:10 | patlabor221 | it's just not called aqua |
| 19:31:17 | sussudio | my headphones beat your boxes :-P |
| 19:31:39 | patlabor221 | Eclipse OSX |
| 19:31:43 | patlabor221 | and it's not a theme |
| 19:31:47 | patlabor221 | it's a visual style |
| 19:31:50 | sussudio | too bad the damn hp preamp is more expensive than the phones themselves |
| 19:31:50 | patlabor221 | they are difrent |
| 19:32:06 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 19:32:28 | captain_proton | hmm, i think total my roommate and i have 350 watts of speakerage here |
| 19:32:29 | bzdoug | ah |
| 19:32:31 | bzdoug | found it |
| 19:32:34 | bzdoug | osx |
| 19:32:39 | patlabor221 | yes |
| 19:32:41 | sussudio | captain_proton: uh oh.... watt-speak |
| 19:32:49 | captain_proton | :) |
| 19:32:54 | sussudio | that's like "my telescope magnifies 300 times!" |
| 19:32:59 | captain_proton | yes it is |
| 19:33:29 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 19:33:42 | bzdoug | ponders "registering" styleXP |
| 19:34:14 | bzdoug | whats a good shuttle board? |
| 19:34:22 | sussudio | shuffleboard? |
| 19:34:30 | captain_proton | hands bzdoug a broom |
| 19:34:39 | sussudio | readies the bingo |
| 19:34:42 | scanline | puts a stale bagel on the floor by the broom |
| 19:35:15 | patlabor221 | for an XP |
| 19:35:34 | patlabor221 | the one that has a KT266a |
| 19:35:39 | bzdoug | ok |
| 19:35:51 | patlabor221 | I think it's the A31.3 |
| 19:36:12 | [BZ]Ruudi | hi |
| 19:36:17 | tankmann | hi ruudi |
| 19:36:25 | captain_proton | decides to actually read what he has to do in his physics lab today |
| 19:36:57 | [BZ]Ruudi | just came from jam session and smells like a cigarette |
| 19:37:36 | sussudio | pew |
| 19:37:44 | bzdoug | no |
| 19:37:45 | bzdoug | phew |
| 19:37:57 | sussudio | pe |
| 19:37:57 | sussudio | w |
| 19:39:07 | sussudio | why do websites always want to install korean and chinese charsets :-P |
| 19:39:47 | patlabor221 | if the site has a character set that you don't, then the OS will ask you if you want to install it |
| 19:40:28 | captain_proton | or you could use a real browser that either includes the fonts or doesn't bother you |
| 19:40:40 | patlabor221 | that is true |
| 19:40:46 | patlabor221 | or you can turn it off |
| 19:40:55 | sussudio | mozilla is a real browser |
| 19:41:13 | captain_proton | mozilla has never asked me |
| 19:41:29 | sussudio | is puzzled about an ad on the abit website |
| 19:41:58 | captain_proton | have you ever had offensive pornographic material pop up when you're trying to visit a web site? if so, this product is for you! |
| 19:41:59 | sussudio | "Outside Thermal Exhaust System - 15% cooler than your VGA Card!" |
| 19:42:01 | sussudio | what does that even mean? |
| 19:42:28 | scanline | sussudio: it means they want you to buy it |
| 19:42:31 | patlabor221 | it's a fan that blows outside arr anot the card |
| 19:42:39 | patlabor221 | AKA CaseFAN |
| 19:42:39 | sussudio | the outside of my pc is 15% cooler than the inside? |
| 19:42:52 | bzdoug | hehe |
| 19:43:02 | sussudio | wonder where the VGA card comes into the equation |
| 19:43:13 | patlabor221 | some can run hot |
| 19:43:20 | patlabor221 | and not all of them have fans |
| 19:43:28 | sussudio | ah. |
| 19:43:39 | sussudio | they just put one of those slotfans ON the vga card :-P |
| 19:43:47 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 19:43:59 | sussudio | yay. big dea; |
| 19:44:00 | sussudio | l |
| 19:44:03 | patlabor221 | in fact we have a GF2MX that don't even have a heat sync |
| 19:44:29 | sussudio | only my radeon has a little fan on it |
| 19:44:38 | patlabor221 | yeah mine does too |
| 19:44:51 | patlabor221 | and everything since a GF2 of mine has had one too |
| 19:45:01 | bzdoug | I have a fan on my gf2mx |
| 19:45:08 | patlabor221 | most MXs do |
| 19:45:15 | patlabor221 | just some are REALY cheap |
| 19:45:21 | bzdoug | hehe |
| 19:45:34 | patlabor221 | the origonal ATI AIW didn't have one ether IIRC |
| 19:45:43 | sussudio | the fan on my radeon is always grey with dust |
| 19:45:49 | sussudio | even more than my cpufan |
| 19:46:09 | patlabor221 | and it's all just human skin |
| 19:46:17 | sussudio | yum |
| 19:46:30 | bzdoug | woo, I got me a plain control panel |
| 19:46:53 | bzdoug | hmm, the vid card on this thing has 8 megs of ram... |
| 19:46:58 | bzdoug | download bzflag |
| 19:47:29 | patlabor221 | it will run if you turnoff textures |
| 19:47:33 | patlabor221 | and shadows |
| 19:47:40 | patlabor221 | it's actulay plable like that too |
| 19:48:18 | bzdoug | heh |
| 19:48:45 | patlabor221 | when I helped cap take screenshots for BZ, one of the tanks was the laptop |
| 19:50:08 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 19:50:24 | bzdoug | will a 500 mhz computer play dvds? |
| 19:50:38 | captain_proton | likely |
| 19:50:41 | captain_proton | the quality might suck |
| 19:50:43 | bzdoug | its got a pretty dvd icon on the drive |
| 19:50:45 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 19:50:46 | bzdoug | ok |
| 19:50:53 | bzdoug | installs dvd software |
| 19:51:29 | captain_proton | i wouldn't watch dvds on a 500mhz without a decoder card, but thats just me |
| 19:51:45 | bzdoug | heh |
| 19:51:57 | sussudio | a standalone dvd player is cheap |
| 19:51:57 | bzdoug | well, maybe this has something to decode dvds with.. |
| 19:52:02 | bzdoug | but I dunno |
| 19:52:20 | captain_proton | oh speaking of dvds |
| 19:52:23 | captain_proton | pokes scanline |
| 19:52:34 | bzdoug | heh |
| 19:52:44 | scanline | eh? |
| 19:53:15 | captain_proton | how do i set up my system to rip dvds? |
| 19:53:25 | bzdoug | baad |
| 19:53:26 | patlabor221 | a DVD player is $59 |
| 19:53:26 | bzdoug | ;) |
| 19:53:36 | patlabor221 | and it will play VCds and MP3s |
| 19:53:44 | captain_proton | haha, a friend is in csci 1300, and they're making him use emacs |
| 19:53:48 | bzdoug | Mmmmm |
| 19:53:50 | captain_proton | i told him the only thing you need to know in emacs |
| 19:53:52 | captain_proton | M-x vip-mode |
| 19:55:01 | scanline | captain_proton: install transcode and dvd::rip |
| 19:55:16 | captain_proton | bzdoug: don't yell at me, its patlabor221 who wants divxes of these |
| 19:55:33 | bzdoug | ah |
| 19:55:44 | bzdoug | grins |
| 19:55:52 | bzdoug | I tried ripping dvds on the mac |
| 19:56:00 | bzdoug | the superdrive is soooo slow |
| 19:56:09 | bzdoug | it took around 6 hours |
| 19:56:16 | scanline | ripping or encoding? |
| 19:56:24 | captain_proton | both(?) |
| 19:56:27 | captain_proton | ripping first |
| 19:56:27 | patlabor221 | workd fine in windows with DVD decryper, Flask MPEG and Virtual dub. |
| 19:56:32 | bzdoug | ripping |
| 19:56:38 | patlabor221 | riping is rather fast |
| 19:56:44 | scanline | takes me maybe 20 or 30 minutes to rip a DVD.. and that's ripping it to navi over NFS |
| 19:56:45 | patlabor221 | encoding can take a while |
| 19:56:46 | bzdoug | just the ripping took along time |
| 19:56:58 | bzdoug | the encoding should be fast, with the g4 in it |
| 19:56:59 | captain_proton | scanline: Video-DVDrip-0.44 or 0.45? (devel or stable?) |
| 19:57:05 | patlabor221 | yeah is that super dive like a 0.5 speed DVD? |
| 19:57:07 | scanline | captain_proton: sure :) |
| 19:57:14 | bzdoug | rolls his eyes |
| 19:57:27 | bzdoug | microsoft vidio auto plays dvds anyway |
| 19:57:28 | scanline | encoding takes a while even on my dual athlon... |
| 19:57:29 | patlabor221 | realy how long did it take to copy the data to the drive |
| 19:57:39 | bzdoug | around 6 hours per side |
| 19:57:46 | bzdoug | it was a dual side dvd |
| 19:57:47 | patlabor221 | just to copy? |
| 19:57:52 | bzdoug | yea |
| 19:57:54 | captain_proton | whoa hmm |
| 19:57:55 | patlabor221 | that's slower then it would take to play |
| 19:57:56 | captain_proton | Missing the following programs. |
| 19:57:56 | captain_proton | Please install them and configure your PATH: |
| 19:57:56 | captain_proton | convert, identify, splitpipe |
| 19:57:56 | captain_proton | at lib/Video/DVDRip.pm line 0 |
| 19:57:56 | captain_proton | Compilation failed in require at ./dvdrip line 18. |
| 19:57:57 | bzdoug | drag and drop |
| 19:57:59 | captain_proton | BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at ./dvdrip line 18. |
| 19:58:01 | bzdoug | yea |
| 19:58:07 | bzdoug | thats why it was wierd |
| 19:58:18 | patlabor221 | what decryped it? |
| 19:58:19 | bzdoug | so I canceled it after about 4 hours |
| 19:58:20 | scanline | captain_proton: you need transcode |
| 19:58:36 | captain_proton | i've got transcode |
| 19:58:39 | bzdoug | I just dragged the files off |
| 19:58:41 | bzdoug | :Z |
| 19:58:44 | patlabor221 | *sigh* |
| 19:58:52 | patlabor221 | you need to un DECS them |
| 19:59:04 | patlabor221 | or they are worthless |
| 19:59:07 | patlabor221 | you didn't even rip them |
| 19:59:11 | patlabor221 | get a riper |
| 19:59:19 | scanline | hrm.. |
| 19:59:28 | bzdoug | oh |
| 19:59:32 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 19:59:32 | patlabor221 | that's what the DVD decryper does for me |
| 19:59:36 | bzdoug | neato |
| 19:59:41 | bzdoug | it plays dvds! |
| 19:59:43 | captain_proton | ahh, i need ImageMagick |
| 19:59:47 | patlabor221 | then flaskMPeg reads the VOBS and makes them into AVIs |
| 19:59:53 | patlabor221 | with DIVX compresion |
| 20:00:06 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 20:00:07 | patlabor221 | takes me about twice as long as the movie is to compress |
| 20:00:09 | scanline | grgg.... frederic did something to break the picogui build system |
| 20:00:10 | bzdoug | well |
| 20:00:20 | bzdoug | I am gonna try that, once I get the dvd drive |
| 20:01:05 | patlabor221 | crap I missed UPS today |
| 20:01:05 | scanline | patlabor221: is that with two-pass encoding? |
| 20:01:07 | captain_proton | yay for breaking build systems |
| 20:01:12 | captain_proton | patlabor221: oof |
| 20:01:14 | patlabor221 | I think so |
| 20:01:20 | scanline | two-pass encoding takes a lot longer usually... |
| 20:01:24 | scanline | like 8 hours |
| 20:01:25 | bzdoug | oh |
| 20:01:38 | patlabor221 | let me see my setings |
| 20:02:09 | captain_proton | scanline: once i get this working i'll want another directory on navi ;) |
| 20:02:27 | scanline | captain_proton: I could create a /navi/jupiter that you can dump things into, then I move them elsewhere when done |
| 20:02:30 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 20:02:38 | bzdoug | the quality is rather good |
| 20:02:39 | captain_proton | that you could |
| 20:02:39 | scanline | captain_proton: you could put stuff in your home directory too, but that's a different filesystem |
| 20:03:00 | patlabor221 | hmm I don't see anything for 2 pass |
| 20:03:02 | captain_proton | probably better to go straight to navi ;) |
| 20:03:38 | scanline | k, /navi/jupiter exists now |
| 20:03:54 | patlabor221 | what does 2 pass do? |
| 20:04:15 | scanline | patlabor221: much higher quality, it gets rid of a lot of the blockiness of 1-pass encoding |
| 20:04:30 | patlabor221 | does it go by any other name? |
| 20:04:37 | scanline | not that I know of |
| 20:05:14 | patlabor221 | cus I have it set to "HQ bicubic filtering ( slowest, highest quality) |
| 20:05:43 | scanline | that only affects scaling and deinterlacing, not encoding |
| 20:05:46 | patlabor221 | and i"m using DIVX dast motion |
| 20:05:59 | captain_proton | waits for imagemagick to finish compiling |
| 20:06:07 | scanline | scaling quality doesn't matter nearly as much as encoding quality |
| 20:06:19 | patlabor221 | ahh there it is |
| 20:06:27 | patlabor221 | it's for DIVX 5 |
| 20:06:34 | patlabor221 | I shall have to try that on the next one I do |
| 20:06:51 | captain_proton | hmm i dunno if my transcode does divx5 |
| 20:06:55 | scanline | yes |
| 20:06:57 | scanline | that's what I used |
| 20:07:05 | patlabor221 | there are 2 choices for 2 pass |
| 20:07:18 | patlabor221 | first pass and second pass |
| 20:07:32 | scanline | heh... |
| 20:07:47 | captain_proton | scanline: what ver transcode do you have? |
| 20:07:47 | patlabor221 | any difrence between them? |
| 20:07:51 | sussudio | passes a kidneystone |
| 20:08:04 | scanline | "transcode v0.6.0 (C) 2001-2002 Thomas Östreich" |
| 20:08:04 | patlabor221 | ohh I've done that , not fun |
| 20:08:19 | scanline | captain_proton: I think the divx5 codec is part of XviD |
| 20:08:25 | sussudio | passes it again (for optimisation) |
| 20:10:16 | bzdoug | will XP run on a 33 mhz comp? |
| 20:10:22 | patlabor221 | ohh yeah divx 5 is a lot slower |
| 20:10:27 | bzdoug | oops |
| 20:10:30 | patlabor221 | thecnicaly yes |
| 20:10:30 | bzdoug | 333 mhz |
| 20:10:34 | bzdoug | ah |
| 20:10:35 | bzdoug | ok |
| 20:10:39 | patlabor221 | once again techincaly yes |
| 20:10:59 | bzdoug | worse than 2000 pro I guess |
| 20:11:13 | patlabor221 | how much ram? |
| 20:11:19 | patlabor221 | XP will use more mem |
| 20:11:28 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 20:11:32 | patlabor221 | but the code is a bit more optimised so it may run the same or faster |
| 20:11:33 | bzdoug | 300 somethin |
| 20:11:45 | patlabor221 | that's about what I have on my laptop |
| 20:11:47 | patlabor221 | andit works |
| 20:11:50 | bzdoug | 392 megs |
| 20:11:54 | bzdoug | ok |
| 20:11:59 | bzdoug | whats your laptop mhz? |
| 20:12:02 | patlabor221 | seems the same as 2k to me in XP |
| 20:12:05 | patlabor221 | 333 celly |
| 20:12:08 | bzdoug | ah |
| 20:12:09 | bzdoug | ok |
| 20:12:11 | bzdoug | neat |
| 20:12:23 | bzdoug | considers doing it now, or after he upgraded the mobo |
| 20:12:32 | patlabor221 | after the mobo |
| 20:12:40 | bzdoug | heh |
| 20:12:46 | patlabor221 | cus your gonna have to redo it when you change it anyway |
| 20:12:53 | bzdoug | yea |
| 20:13:04 | PerfectCell | at least i joined #flipcode but Paul Nettle wasnt seen there for a long time :( |
| 20:13:18 | sussudio | what's a paul nettle |
| 20:13:22 | bzdoug | Shuttle MK20 with AMD Athlon XP 1700+ (1.47Ghz) 266FSB CPU & Fan |
| 20:13:22 | bzdoug | $112.99 |
| 20:13:28 | PerfectCell | a game designer |
| 20:13:29 | bzdoug | sussudio: worse than a regualr one |
| 20:13:32 | patlabor221 | what is the MK20? |
| 20:13:39 | bzdoug | the athlon mobo I tink |
| 20:13:44 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 20:13:47 | patlabor221 | what chipset? |
| 20:13:49 | bzdoug | lemme check the specs |
| 20:13:55 | captain_proton | scanline: where would i find the 'splitpipe' util? |
| 20:14:02 | bzdoug | VIA VT8361 |
| 20:14:10 | bzdoug | oh yuk |
| 20:14:14 | bzdoug | micro atx |
| 20:14:17 | bzdoug | nope |
| 20:14:17 | patlabor221 | so |
| 20:14:22 | sussudio | "Certificate Validation Flaw Could Enable Identity Spoofing (Q328145)" |
| 20:14:30 | sussudio | what's that translated to english? |
| 20:14:40 | sussudio | microsoft bad? |
| 20:14:48 | bzdoug | aha |
| 20:14:49 | bzdoug | Shuttle AK32L with AMD Athlon XP 1700+ (1.47Ghz) 266FSB CPU & Fan |
| 20:14:54 | bzdoug | VIA VT8366 |
| 20:15:00 | bzdoug | macroatx |
| 20:15:05 | bzdoug | :P |
| 20:15:11 | patlabor221 | what is rong with micro atx? |
| 20:15:17 | scanline | captain_proton: I thought that was part of transcode |
| 20:15:20 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 20:15:21 | sussudio | i'd wait for the Shuttle AK47 |
| 20:15:29 | patlabor221 | ohh don't get the 32l |
| 20:15:30 | bzdoug | nothing |
| 20:15:31 | sussudio | NOBODY messes with you when you have an AK47 |
| 20:15:40 | captain_proton | fubb |
| 20:15:45 | captain_proton | goes to recompile transcode |
| 20:15:46 | bzdoug | sussudio: I would if I had a RPG |
| 20:15:48 | patlabor221 | yes but the russan parts are hard to find |
| 20:16:04 | patlabor221 | doug you need the AK31A |
| 20:16:11 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 20:16:21 | patlabor221 | or a AK35 |
| 20:16:28 | bzdoug | whats the diferens from the AK32L ? |
| 20:16:31 | patlabor221 | or a 37 |
| 20:16:35 | bzdoug | 32? |
| 20:16:38 | patlabor221 | it's the KT266 chipset |
| 20:16:43 | bzdoug | ah |
| 20:16:44 | patlabor221 | not the TK266A |
| 20:16:49 | patlabor221 | the A is for the XPs |
| 20:16:54 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 20:16:57 | bzdoug | ok |
| 20:17:00 | patlabor221 | the regular 266s have issues with them |
| 20:17:04 | bzdoug | ok |
| 20:17:12 | bzdoug | the shuttle is a good mobo? |
| 20:17:13 | patlabor221 | the 37 is the shit |
| 20:17:17 | bzdoug | better than ecs? |
| 20:17:17 | patlabor221 | I have one |
| 20:17:34 | patlabor221 | it seems to be of higher quality then the ECS ones |
| 20:17:37 | patlabor221 | but I have both |
| 20:17:37 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 20:17:41 | bzdoug | how about chaintech? |
| 20:17:44 | patlabor221 | and they both work find |
| 20:17:46 | patlabor221 | never had one |
| 20:17:49 | bzdoug | k |
| 20:17:55 | patlabor221 | friend of mine has a gigbite |
| 20:17:56 | bzdoug | chaintech is really cheap |
| 20:17:58 | bzdoug | yea |
| 20:18:00 | patlabor221 | yes they are |
| 20:18:02 | bzdoug | I have a gigabyte |
| 20:18:06 | bzdoug | very nice |
| 20:18:15 | PerfectCell | Ostensibly, what does it mean, my babylon translator timeped up use for free |
| 20:18:23 | bzdoug | the gigabit is the current comp |
| 20:18:31 | sussudio | whoa 7MB hotfix |
| 20:18:36 | sussudio | that's a bigga fix |
| 20:18:39 | bzdoug | haha |
| 20:18:52 | patlabor221 | cell www.m-w.com |
| 20:18:52 | captain_proton | ooh, transcode 0.6.1 has a v4l mode |
| 20:19:12 | bzdoug | Gigabyte GA-7DX+ with AMD Athlon XP 1700+ (1.47Ghz) 266FSB CPU & Fan |
| 20:19:15 | bzdoug | 121 |
| 20:19:35 | bzdoug | AMD 761™ north bridge and VIA 686B south bridge |
| 20:19:39 | bzdoug | are those good? |
| 20:19:57 | scanline | hm.. still haven't gotten around to making my new camera work with v4l |
| 20:20:06 | bzdoug | heh |
| 20:20:08 | patlabor221 | I don't know that board |
| 20:20:13 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 20:20:42 | bzdoug | ? |
| 20:20:46 | bzdoug | dual bios? |
| 20:20:48 | bzdoug | why? |
| 20:21:13 | captain_proton | is in need of a coke |
| 20:21:15 | captain_proton | has no coke |
| 20:21:24 | bzdoug | hands captain_proton a coke |
| 20:21:38 | PerfectCell | patlabor221:thanks, but i just dont know what it means |
| 20:21:39 | patlabor221 | you need a coke machine |
| 20:21:45 | bzdoug | heh |
| 20:21:51 | bzdoug | hrm |
| 20:21:54 | captain_proton | nah, i just need another 12pack or 3 |
| 20:21:57 | bzdoug | is away: bleh |
| 20:23:10 | patlabor221 | ohh it means " plausable" |
| 20:23:30 | patlabor221 | like it's posible to do but it would be hard to demostrate |
| 20:24:54 | captain_proton | oooh |
| 20:24:57 | captain_proton | gv4l |
| 20:25:11 | captain_proton | direct encoding from the device via transcode |
| 20:25:39 | scanline | this is a really cool song... |
| 20:25:52 | scanline | machinae supremacy - sidology episode 1 - sid evolution |
| 20:25:59 | scanline | lots of samples from the C64 :) |
| 20:26:39 | captain_proton | wot... |
| 20:26:45 | captain_proton | transcode 0.6.1 has a bad makefile |
| 20:28:13 | sussudio | hmm strawberry pie filling |
| 20:29:30 | captain_proton | make[3]: *** No rule to make target `fdct_mmx_c.c', needed by `fdct_mmx_c.o'. Stop. |
| 20:30:32 | scanline | captain_proton: quick, what's the name of the OpenGL function to rotate? |
| 20:30:59 | PerfectCell | glRotatef() |
| 20:31:00 | captain_proton | glRotate(i|f|iv|fv) |
| 20:31:05 | scanline | thanks |
| 20:31:15 | scanline | thought it was glRotate4f for some reason... |
| 20:31:20 | sussudio | fdct is part of ecos, whatever that is |
| 20:31:52 | captain_proton | glColor is the only function i know of that needs the vector size with it |
| 20:32:00 | scanline | k |
| 20:32:18 | captain_proton | turns off mmx to make transcode compile |
| 20:33:54 | captain_proton | 4:55 until episode 105 of SPACE:1999 is downloaded |
| 20:34:42 | captain_proton | , not realizing just how full his water bottle is, pours water all down his front |
| 20:36:26 | sussudio | wet tshirt contest? |
| 20:36:53 | captain_proton | apparently |
| 20:37:49 | PerfectCell | shit im so damn hungry and its so late |
| 20:38:25 | PerfectCell | i just dont know if i should start cooking smth |
| 20:39:19 | PerfectCell | since my mother always told me : dont eat anything when u go to bed |
| 20:39:50 | PerfectCell | and therefore i just dont know what to do |
| 20:40:02 | Chestal | what's the reasoning behind that advice? |
| 20:40:13 | Chestal | is it supposed to cause uneasy sleep or make you faT? |
| 20:40:26 | Chestal | I for my part have problems sleeping when I am hungry |
| 20:40:40 | PerfectCell | u cannot sleep with a full stomach, because the blood is needed for... |
| 20:41:09 | Chestal | but when I am hungry, I cannot relax which is needed to get to sleep |
| 20:41:16 | captain_proton | hmm i still don't have 'splitpipe' |
| 20:41:18 | PerfectCell | i ate nothing since monday |
| 20:41:40 | PerfectCell | just missed going to the stores |
| 20:42:15 | PerfectCell | so im pretty nervous at the moment |
| 20:42:29 | Chestal | what did you drink? |
| 20:42:43 | PerfectCell | H2O of coz |
| 20:43:22 | Chestal | hmm, I once didn#t eat anything but fruit for 4 days, I do not plan to repeat that :-) |
| 20:44:12 | PerfectCell | why? was it so bad, i get hungry in the evening, but in the morning everithing is fine, but stores close here in Germany at 20:00 |
| 20:44:30 | PerfectCell | so i miss that often |
| 20:44:57 | Chestal | it was quite bad, I had appetite to eat something real all the time |
| 20:45:03 | PerfectCell | an since i eat no chocolatte and sweet stuff like that, |
| 20:45:07 | Chestal | was sick of apples, bananas etc. |
| 20:45:35 | PerfectCell | oh a banana would be so cool now |
| 20:45:47 | sussudio | i had a can of strawberry pie filling |
| 20:45:48 | Chestal | I wanted to do it for a week, but I did it together with two friends, and there was some confusion, so one friend ate a pizza on Thursday evening, so I stopped, too :-) |
| 20:45:58 | sussudio | why bother with pie when you can have the good part |
| 20:46:05 | PerfectCell | hahaha |
| 20:46:08 | sussudio | SUGAR RUSH |
| 20:46:47 | PerfectCell | Chestal: was it a helth reason u try to eat nothing or only fruits? |
| 20:46:54 | sussudio | hands PerfectCell a jar of applesauce |
| 20:47:07 | Chestal | PerfectCell: not really, it was just for the kick and the fun |
| 20:47:56 | Chestal | and we didn't do it right, more often than not durng the 4 days I didn't have any fruit to eat |
| 20:47:58 | PerfectCell | who does something like that for fun, u wanted to play jeesus( ate nothing for 40 days), hahaha |
| 20:48:29 | Chestal | the only think I enjoyed was the fresh orange juice I made |
| 20:48:53 | PerfectCell | cool, tasty |
| 20:50:00 | PerfectCell | i bought the champio juicer made in USA: http://www.top-getreidemuehlen.de/champion.shtml |
| 20:50:21 | PerfectCell | really great for fresh fruit drinks |
| 20:52:27 | PerfectCell | thats true |
| 20:53:20 | PerfectCell | shit midnight, and im alone at home, ups the monsters are coming they want to cut me into peaces im pretty sure |
| 20:53:36 | PerfectCell | i heard something |
| 20:53:53 | PerfectCell | that was not human |
| 20:54:06 | Chestal | phase 1: hallucinations and paranoia |
| 20:54:30 | sussudio | phase 2: .... |
| 20:54:35 | sussudio | phase 3: PROFIT! |
| 20:54:52 | PerfectCell | yes, what a luck that i have a huge knife under my bed, hehe, so comeone u monsters |
| 20:54:59 | patlabor221 | phase 4: denial. |
| 20:55:10 | Chestal | for the German readers: http://www.bundestagswahl-2002.info/ |
| 20:55:28 | captain_proton | oof, gotta get to class |
| 20:56:07 | sussudio | PerfectCell: http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/cam.jpg |
| 20:56:09 | PerfectCell | oh the election, |
| 20:56:09 | sussudio | yum yum |
| 20:57:25 | PerfectCell | sussudio:that would have looked tasty, but im vegatarien, so i see only a little sweet dead animal that lost its innocent life, sorry |
| 20:57:45 | sussudio | hey it's lower in the foodchain...... GET IN MAH BELLY! |
| 20:57:55 | sussudio | and it's more than 1 kind of animal anyway |
| 20:58:02 | PerfectCell | h:) |
| 20:58:11 | sussudio | chickenpiggycow |
| 20:58:15 | Chestal | heh, plants are lifeforms, too |
| 20:58:34 | PerfectCell | but they do not have emotions |
| 20:58:42 | sussudio | tsk |
| 20:58:45 | PerfectCell | as far as i know |
| 20:58:53 | sussudio | cows just go 'moo'. |
| 20:58:55 | Chestal | maybe they're just different, living on another time sale |
| 20:59:04 | Chestal | scale, even |
| 20:59:25 | PerfectCell | maybe |
| 21:02:13 | PerfectCell | oh, lets look if i won in lotto |
| 21:03:21 | PerfectCell | bad luck again, shit |
| 21:05:05 | PerfectCell | why do the games not do the work theirself, i mean building the world database, animate the characters, implement the game logic, and sell many many times and i go to the beach with some... |
| 21:06:07 | PerfectCell | anyway, just locked the flat door, now i feel lot of saftier |
| 21:07:32 | PerfectCell | but tomorrow is friday and i go out stop coding like an idiot, looking what the girls are doing |
| 21:08:49 | PerfectCell | i hope everybody ignores what i say, said |
| 21:09:59 | patlabor221 | ohh don't worry we do |
| 21:11:08 | patlabor221 | wonders if the world is ready for a hardware acellerated, high resoution, lighmapted, version of the wolfenstein engine |
| 21:11:46 | scanline | but but but.. it's not raycasting! |
| 21:12:02 | patlabor221 | hey it does cast rays |
| 21:12:08 | patlabor221 | just not one for each pixel |
| 21:12:14 | PerfectCell | ? |
| 21:12:21 | scanline | raycasting didn't do one for each pixel... it did one for each column |
| 21:12:33 | scanline | but you're not using raycasting for the rendering, right, just for visibility? |
| 21:12:39 | PerfectCell | must be a bad res |
| 21:12:40 | patlabor221 | well I do one for each grid that's in view |
| 21:12:47 | patlabor221 | yes just fro vis |
| 21:12:58 | patlabor221 | the rest is all GL |
| 21:13:04 | scanline | real raycasting sends one ray for each column and uses that to calculate the height of the texture for that column |
| 21:13:18 | patlabor221 | well I didn't say it was real raycasting |
| 21:13:34 | scanline | I know.. it just feels wrong |
| 21:13:37 | PerfectCell | is this kinda voxel technigue |
| 21:13:39 | scanline | :) |
| 21:13:40 | patlabor221 | I rmember how much of a pain it was to compensate for the spherical disotrtion too |
| 21:13:49 | patlabor221 | 2 voxels |
| 21:13:53 | patlabor221 | aka a grid |
| 21:14:02 | PerfectCell | a k |
| 21:14:05 | patlabor221 | 2d not 2 sorry |
| 21:14:18 | patlabor221 | I think I can make it 2.5 d too |
| 21:14:39 | PerfectCell | no rotation about z |
| 21:14:41 | patlabor221 | and it's in the spirit of a raycaster |
| 21:14:47 | PerfectCell | äh x |
| 21:14:48 | patlabor221 | extrusion about z |
| 21:15:06 | patlabor221 | non fixed heigh ceilings and floors |
| 21:15:36 | patlabor221 | and scanline, it's in the spirit of a raycaster :) |
| 21:15:43 | scanline | that's fine :) |
| 21:15:44 | patlabor221 | I could have done it with portals |
| 21:15:47 | PerfectCell | and slow |
| 21:15:57 | patlabor221 | actualy it's rather fast now |
| 21:16:05 | PerfectCell | oh really |
| 21:16:23 | patlabor221 | yeah average vis cals time is 0.05 sec |
| 21:16:32 | bzdoug | is back: gone 89 day 2 hours and 59 min |
| 21:16:52 | PerfectCell | could this be used for bzflag? |
| 21:16:54 | patlabor221 | my worst case scenario is 0.17 sec |
| 21:16:57 | bzdoug | would a 500 mhz laptop be able to rip dvds? |
| 21:17:08 | patlabor221 | if the world was broken into a grid |
| 21:17:20 | PerfectCell | bzdoug: i think it would take too long |
| 21:17:26 | patlabor221 | and each grid knew if it was and ocluter or not |
| 21:17:34 | patlabor221 | would not be optimal |
| 21:17:35 | bzdoug | hm |
| 21:17:37 | bzdoug | k |
| 21:17:44 | patlabor221 | sorry my number are wrong there |
| 21:17:57 | patlabor221 | average is 0.005 sec and worst is now 0.017 dec |
| 21:18:08 | patlabor221 | I misses a zero |
| 21:18:46 | PerfectCell | k, thats pretty fast, what cpu? |
| 21:18:50 | patlabor221 | it could proably be expanded to the thrid dimension |
| 21:18:56 | patlabor221 | P4 2.0 giger |
| 21:19:02 | PerfectCell | oh |
| 21:19:18 | patlabor221 | I need to test it on other systems too |
| 21:19:43 | patlabor221 | the nice thing is that it's realy data size independent |
| 21:19:54 | patlabor221 | it dosn't need to hit each grid |
| 21:20:12 | patlabor221 | it starts from where you are and works out |
| 21:20:24 | PerfectCell | hm, is there a document (pdf or smtng) discribing that technique? |
| 21:20:31 | patlabor221 | the more that is visable the longer it takes |
| 21:20:34 | patlabor221 | no |
| 21:20:45 | patlabor221 | well there are for raycasters |
| 21:20:53 | patlabor221 | but this is my own variation |
| 21:20:58 | PerfectCell | k |
| 21:21:20 | patlabor221 | a simple ray caster just does this: |
| 21:21:26 | patlabor221 | take the current FOV |
| 21:21:37 | PerfectCell | k |
| 21:21:43 | patlabor221 | and divide it by the screens horisontal res |
| 21:21:51 | PerfectCell | k |
| 21:22:04 | patlabor221 | then cast a ray from the viewer for each one of those divisions |
| 21:22:12 | PerfectCell | k |
| 21:22:15 | patlabor221 | when that ray hits a "wall" in the map |
| 21:22:20 | patlabor221 | then recored it's disntance |
| 21:22:27 | PerfectCell | k |
| 21:22:57 | PerfectCell | and then? |
| 21:23:01 | patlabor221 | then run the distance through some type of perspective calc |
| 21:23:15 | patlabor221 | to get a screen height |
| 21:23:21 | PerfectCell | k |
| 21:23:28 | patlabor221 | then draw a line ceneterd on the screen that high |
| 21:23:35 | bzdoug | k |
| 21:23:35 | patlabor221 | do that for each ray |
| 21:23:53 | PerfectCell | bzdoug:.) |
| 21:24:09 | patlabor221 | usualy you also do some shading / texturing stuff based on the wall that was hit |
| 21:24:20 | patlabor221 | that's how they did wolfenstein |
| 21:24:31 | bzdoug | heh |
| 21:24:41 | PerfectCell | so u have kinda maze world, u cannot view it from top view? |
| 21:24:57 | patlabor221 | nope fixed Zs |
| 21:25:04 | PerfectCell | k |
| 21:25:11 | patlabor221 | simple software renderer |
| 21:25:37 | patlabor221 | I've changed it to where I cast a ray for each of the extents of my view angle |
| 21:25:51 | patlabor221 | then check and see if the 2 things they hit are next to each other |
| 21:25:57 | patlabor221 | if they are then i'm done |
| 21:26:15 | patlabor221 | if not then I bisect the view |
| 21:26:26 | patlabor221 | and do the same thing again with each new 1/2 view |
| 21:26:32 | patlabor221 | recursivly |
| 21:26:58 | PerfectCell | oh that could get time consuming |
| 21:27:04 | patlabor221 | I also record what map nodes I have cast over |
| 21:27:15 | patlabor221 | so I know what floors and ceilings are hit |
| 21:27:22 | patlabor221 | it can depends on the res of the grids |
| 21:27:30 | PerfectCell | yes |
| 21:28:15 | patlabor221 | http://www.artemisgames.com/WCS.jpg is a test map |
| 21:28:22 | bzdoug | is universal plug and play like rendevous for the mac os X? |
| 21:28:24 | patlabor221 | I got that one down to 0.017 sec |
| 21:29:19 | patlabor221 | http://www.artemisgames.com/gridworld.jpg |
| 21:29:22 | patlabor221 | that's an older one |
| 21:30:01 | bzdoug | so what does this softwar do? |
| 21:30:09 | patlabor221 | what? |
| 21:30:13 | bzdoug | what are you making it for? |
| 21:30:13 | patlabor221 | what software? |
| 21:30:21 | patlabor221 | ohh |
| 21:30:24 | bzdoug | this raycasting or whatever |
| 21:30:34 | patlabor221 | true ultimate power |
| 21:31:02 | bzdoug | ah |
| 21:31:04 | PerfectCell | but that can be done much faster, then with raycasting |
| 21:31:20 | bzdoug | wonders why this laptop has a whole 2 gig partition dedicated to mail |
| 21:31:30 | patlabor221 | with some type of tree yeah proalby |
| 21:32:04 | patlabor221 | or something like a contrained seed fill |
| 21:32:39 | PerfectCell | a bsp tree would be nice |
| 21:33:06 | patlabor221 | would it realy be faster tho? |
| 21:33:16 | patlabor221 | and I don't relay know that much about them |
| 21:33:32 | PerfectCell | i think since u could construct it in a special way |
| 21:34:07 | patlabor221 | what would each leaf be? a grid point? |
| 21:35:02 | PerfectCell | no a region |
| 21:35:12 | patlabor221 | hmm I just thought of another optimsiation |
| 21:35:36 | bzdoug | wonders if its possible to run windows XP through a TV, for dvd playback only |
| 21:35:51 | PerfectCell | cluster with face priority |
| 21:35:54 | patlabor221 | XP does not like to run at 640x480 |
| 21:35:58 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 21:36:03 | patlabor221 | I don't understand |
| 21:36:07 | bzdoug | well |
| 21:36:12 | patlabor221 | I would like to learn more about trees |
| 21:36:30 | Widget | ibot: x de en notfalls geht einfaches probieren, sind ja zum Glück alles Ganzzahlen |
| 21:36:34 | | Widget: if necessary simple goes trying, is to the Gl |
| 21:36:38 | Widget | ibot: x de en notfalls geht einfaches probieren, sind ja zum Glueck alles Ganzzahlen |
| 21:36:44 | | Widget: if necessary simple goes trying, is fortunately all integers |
| 21:36:51 | PerfectCell | see Computer Graphics:Priciple and Practise Page 676, bSP, Schumacker |
| 21:37:05 | Widget | PerfectCell: hihihi, could you translate? "notfalls geht einfaches probieren, sind ja zum Glück alles Ganzzahlen" |
| 21:37:23 | sussudio | ibot x ge en notfalls geht einfaches probieren, sind ja zum Glück alles Ganzzahlen |
| 21:37:27 | | sussudio: * What browser you were using. |
| 21:37:40 | Widget | sussudio: I tried it, and I got "if necessary simple goes trying, is fortunately all integers" |
| 21:37:57 | PerfectCell | simple trying , it are all integers |
| 21:38:18 | patlabor221 | I think we have that here I shall look |
| 21:38:24 | PerfectCell | k |
| 21:40:16 | PerfectCell | Widget:just try,recall, luckily all numbers are integers |
| 21:41:32 | PerfectCell | http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2002-08-21&res=l |
| 21:42:15 | patlabor221 | well that shaved off 0.001 |
| 21:42:18 | PerfectCell | reminds me, what would bill gates do if he is in danger? i know its an old one |
| 21:42:44 | patlabor221 | why would bill gates do that? |
| 21:43:18 | Widget | PerfectCell: I give up, what? |
| 21:43:29 | PerfectCell | he woul press F1 |
| 21:43:39 | PerfectCell | hahahaha |
| 21:43:39 | Widget | Pfft. |
| 21:43:42 | patlabor221 | riiiiiiiiiiiiiight |
| 21:43:50 | Widget | Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. |
| 21:43:56 | Widget | hihihi |
| 21:43:57 | mandy | hihihi |
| 21:44:02 | | hello, patlabor221 |
| 21:44:02 | patlabor221 | hello |
| 21:44:08 | | Sorry, patlabor221, I'll keep my mouth shut. |
| 21:44:08 | patlabor221 | ibot shut up |
| 21:44:13 | PerfectCell | hahaha |
| 21:44:25 | | Yay for smack ramen! |
| 21:44:25 | Widget | ibot: botsmack |
| 21:44:27 | | ramen is the midnight food of any good programming geek |
| 21:44:27 | Widget | ibot: ramen? |
| 21:44:32 | | i heard smack was the funniest brand of ramen |
| 21:44:32 | Widget | ibot: smack? |
| 21:44:47 | Widget | I hate ramen. |
| 21:44:47 | PerfectCell | hahaha what a pet |
| 21:45:01 | | thanks Widget :) |
| 21:45:01 | Widget | ibot: botsnack |
| 21:45:24 | bzdoug | ok then, is it possible to have a linux distro that all it does is play dvds? |
| 21:45:28 | | Bobots are everywhere! Game over man! |
| 21:45:28 | patlabor221 | Ibot: bobots? |
| 21:45:38 | bzdoug | you pop in a dvd, and it plays... |
| 21:45:46 | bzdoug | nothing more, nothing less |
| 21:45:54 | bzdoug | just have it run as a dvd player |
| 21:45:55 | patlabor221 | just get a DVD player |
| 21:46:11 | bzdoug | thats beside the point |
| 21:46:22 | patlabor221 | I'm sure you could make one |
| 21:46:26 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 21:46:41 | bzdoug | wonders how to get the tv output working |
| 21:46:44 | PerfectCell | flipcode has PusherRobot istead of ibot |
| 21:46:51 | bzdoug | hehe |
| 21:47:02 | patlabor221 | oh and they don't have XP drivers for that video chipset |
| 21:47:04 | bzdoug | and there is apt and apt2, which are also ibots |
| 21:47:20 | bzdoug | patlabor221: hmm, I think i found some on compaqs webit |
| 21:47:22 | patlabor221 | hey that's better then ShoverRobot |
| 21:47:25 | bzdoug | wesite* |
| 21:47:30 | patlabor221 | for the mobility |
| 21:47:33 | PerfectCell | pat |
| 21:47:33 | bzdoug | yea |
| 21:47:36 | PerfectCell | pat2 |
| 21:47:38 | bzdoug | for the laptop |
| 21:47:41 | patlabor221 | ATI dosn't even amke them |
| 21:47:45 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 21:47:48 | bzdoug | compaq must of |
| 21:48:01 | patlabor221 | that's cool |
| 21:48:07 | patlabor221 | cus dell didn't |
| 21:48:14 | patlabor221 | pat2? |
| 21:48:15 | bzdoug | let me download the drivers and check |
| 21:48:54 | patlabor221 | I should change my name |
| 21:49:10 | bzdoug | to what? |
| 21:49:14 | patlabor221 | like the one I saw on turky last night |
| 21:49:19 | patlabor221 | TheAtomicFarter |
| 21:49:31 | mandy | ahhg |
| 21:49:32 | patlabor221 | has a ring to it I think |
| 21:49:40 | bzdoug | haha |
| 21:49:41 | patlabor221 | you don't think so? |
| 21:49:49 | bzdoug | like what kind of "ring" |
| 21:49:57 | sussudio | ring of fire |
| 21:49:58 | mandy | my friend just puked all over the place :( |
| 21:50:06 | patlabor221 | ick |
| 21:50:07 | captain_proton | returns |
| 21:50:14 | patlabor221 | that's not good |
| 21:50:16 | mandy | i know |
| 21:50:17 | PerfectCell | hmm, its time to shower my hair, i used gel today |
| 21:50:25 | patlabor221 | get them to the bathroom |
| 21:50:31 | mandy | he is |
| 21:50:34 | patlabor221 | TMI man |
| 21:50:36 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 21:50:50 | bzdoug | wonders if there is a pcmcia video card |
| 21:50:57 | patlabor221 | no |
| 21:51:01 | bzdoug | k |
| 21:51:07 | bzdoug | ATI windows XP driver... |
| 21:51:12 | patlabor221 | that would be sloow |
| 21:51:16 | patlabor221 | for the mobility? |
| 21:51:17 | bzdoug | yea |
| 21:51:19 | bzdoug | yup |
| 21:51:21 | patlabor221 | send to me |
| 21:51:25 | bzdoug | hold on |
| 21:51:26 | bzdoug | rebooting |
| 21:51:27 | patlabor221 | if you would please |
| 21:51:37 | captain_proton | whoa |
| 21:51:39 | bzdoug | ok, let it boot up first |
| 21:51:57 | captain_proton | everything in /pub/linux/distributions/redhat/ on distro.ibiblio.org has disappeared |
| 21:51:59 | patlabor221 | yes capL I realy can jump that far. |
| 21:52:20 | patlabor221 | ahhh the clensing has begun then |
| 21:52:25 | bzdoug | haha |
| 21:52:32 | Widget | captain_proton: How did you find that out? |
| 21:52:37 | patlabor221 | soon the world will be cleansed in FIRE!!! |
| 21:52:57 | patlabor221 | or Jello |
| 21:53:02 | sussudio | or Pledge |
| 21:53:02 | patlabor221 | I allways forget |
| 21:53:05 | bzdoug | yea |
| 21:53:06 | bzdoug | me too |
| 21:53:11 | captain_proton | Widget: i'm looking for a source RPM of tcp_wrappers so i can pull the tarball out of it |
| 21:53:15 | patlabor221 | no it stings the eyes |
| 21:53:21 | sussudio | hydrogen peroxide does a good job too |
| 21:53:27 | sussudio | maybe bleach |
| 21:53:34 | captain_proton | all the source packages i can find of it normally don't compile on linux |
| 21:53:36 | patlabor221 | also stinging of the eyes |
| 21:53:43 | bzdoug | patlabor221: http://www.compaq.com/support/files/armada/us/download/11021.html |
| 21:54:17 | patlabor221 | LOL requires DX 7.0 |
| 21:54:24 | patlabor221 | XP comes with 8.1b |
| 21:54:25 | bzdoug | Mmmm |
| 21:54:27 | bzdoug | so? |
| 21:54:32 | bzdoug | I installed it |
| 21:54:47 | patlabor221 | I just find it funny that it's an XP driver that has reqirements of something that can not go on XP |
| 21:54:58 | patlabor221 | you can't get 7 onXP since it has 8.1 |
| 21:54:59 | bzdoug | lol |
| 21:55:11 | bzdoug | well |
| 21:55:16 | bzdoug | maybe it means 7 and up |
| 21:55:21 | bzdoug | WOO |
| 21:55:22 | patlabor221 | it does |
| 21:55:25 | bzdoug | dual monitor!!! |
| 21:55:28 | bzdoug | neato |
| 21:55:30 | patlabor221 | but it's kind of stupid |
| 21:55:48 | bzdoug | neat neat neat, I got dual screens on me laptop |
| 21:55:48 | patlabor221 | that it mentions it when they know they have to have it |
| 21:55:55 | patlabor221 | yeah that's what I wanted on mine |
| 21:56:02 | patlabor221 | if only I could get linux to do that |
| 21:56:12 | patlabor221 | it won't even use the external video |
| 21:56:23 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 21:56:29 | bzdoug | let me try hooking up the vif |
| 21:56:30 | bzdoug | vid |
| 21:57:01 | patlabor221 | it will mirror the screens in XP with the drivers that come with it |
| 21:57:08 | patlabor221 | but can't do dual |
| 21:57:09 | bzdoug | yea |
| 21:57:11 | bzdoug | it did |
| 21:57:12 | gonkulator{work} | is away: home time |
| 21:57:14 | bzdoug | but now it has dual |
| 21:57:18 | patlabor221 | well with your new drivers yes |
| 21:57:22 | bzdoug | problem. |
| 21:57:22 | patlabor221 | that's why I wanted them |
| 21:57:50 | bzdoug | it cant have 2 1024 monitors |
| 21:58:01 | patlabor221 | realy |
| 21:58:09 | bzdoug | the external monitor is scroll like |
| 21:58:15 | bzdoug | you move the mouse near the edge |
| 21:58:21 | patlabor221 | odd |
| 21:58:23 | bzdoug | and iut scrolls the image |
| 21:58:34 | patlabor221 | I could have a 1024 and a 1600 in 2k |
| 21:58:42 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 21:58:43 | bzdoug | od |
| 21:58:45 | bzdoug | odd |
| 21:58:49 | bzdoug | maybe its just me |
| 21:58:51 | patlabor221 | the chipset suports it |
| 21:59:06 | bzdoug | yea |
| 21:59:19 | PerfectCell | why do u need tewo monitors? |
| 21:59:20 | bzgirl | helo |
| 21:59:31 | bzdoug | neato |
| 21:59:35 | bzdoug | dual screens |
| 21:59:44 | bzdoug | now all I need is a new LCD, and I am in busyness |
| 21:59:46 | bzdoug | :P |
| 21:59:59 | PerfectCell | ? |
| 22:00:16 | patlabor221 | unfortontatly you only get dvd asist on one of the screens |
| 22:00:23 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 22:00:30 | bzdoug | its also got TV out |
| 22:00:34 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 22:00:39 | bzdoug | so thats how I want to hook it up |
| 22:00:42 | patlabor221 | you can run duals that way too |
| 22:00:52 | patlabor221 | but still you have to make sure the TV is the "main" |
| 22:01:09 | bzdoug | yea |
| 22:01:09 | patlabor221 | it's only got enought juice to mpeg asist one monitor |
| 22:01:14 | bzdoug | hehe |
| 22:01:19 | bzdoug | unless you mirror it |
| 22:01:26 | patlabor221 | evenif you mirror |
| 22:01:30 | bzdoug | oh? |
| 22:01:32 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 22:01:34 | patlabor221 | I only get vid on one |
| 22:01:51 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 22:01:52 | patlabor221 | it's a digtal mirror not an analog signal mirror |
| 22:01:57 | bzdoug | yea |
| 22:01:59 | bzdoug | ok |
| 22:02:04 | patlabor221 | so it still takes card resources |
| 22:02:09 | bzdoug | k |
| 22:02:11 | patlabor221 | it just draws it twice |
| 22:02:22 | bzdoug | but why would you put the dvd on both monitors? |
| 22:02:43 | patlabor221 | if you had a presnitaion |
| 22:02:47 | patlabor221 | and wanted to see it too |
| 22:02:53 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 22:03:02 | bzdoug | yea... |
| 22:03:06 | patlabor221 | where the external is a projector |
| 22:03:10 | bzdoug | yea |
| 22:03:16 | captain_proton | scanline: awake? |
| 22:03:21 | patlabor221 | but it will only play any moves on the main |
| 22:03:24 | patlabor221 | even AVIs |
| 22:03:27 | bzdoug | oh? |
| 22:03:32 | bzdoug | odd indeed |
| 22:03:35 | patlabor221 | yeah it ueses hardware for that too |
| 22:03:39 | patlabor221 | it's not DVD assit |
| 22:03:45 | bzdoug | hm |
| 22:03:47 | patlabor221 | it's hardware video asist |
| 22:03:52 | bzdoug | DVD playback is nice |
| 22:03:54 | bzdoug | on this |
| 22:04:01 | patlabor221 | yeah it should be witht hat one |
| 22:04:03 | patlabor221 | that one |
| 22:04:09 | patlabor221 | it'll band a little on the TV |
| 22:04:14 | patlabor221 | but it's not horible |
| 22:04:14 | bzdoug | yea |
| 22:04:21 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 22:04:29 | bzdoug | how do I get it to run on the TV? |
| 22:04:34 | bzdoug | I plug the TV in while off |
| 22:04:41 | bzdoug | and it will add it as a new monitor? |
| 22:04:53 | patlabor221 | we used to use the laptop untill we got a DVD player |
| 22:04:59 | bzdoug | heh |
| 22:05:13 | patlabor221 | I had to have the TV in then I got the choice of activing the TV in the driver options |
| 22:05:19 | patlabor221 | but your resulsts my vary |
| 22:05:26 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 22:05:28 | patlabor221 | as I didn't get a peice of crap compaq |
| 22:05:35 | bzdoug | its not really that bad |
| 22:05:48 | bzdoug | exept for the cracked screen and case |
| 22:05:50 | bzdoug | :P |
| 22:05:54 | patlabor221 | yes it is |
| 22:05:57 | patlabor221 | you just don't know it yet |
| 22:06:01 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 22:06:02 | bzdoug | yea |
| 22:06:06 | patlabor221 | no trackpad? WTF is up with that |
| 22:06:11 | bzdoug | its very proprietary |
| 22:06:16 | bzdoug | the older ones anyway |
| 22:06:24 | patlabor221 | thats newer then mine |
| 22:06:24 | bzdoug | but the newer laptops are better |
| 22:06:30 | patlabor221 | and I have a trackpad |
| 22:06:34 | bzdoug | heh |
| 22:06:35 | bzdoug | yea |
| 22:06:48 | bzdoug | but playing bzflag with a trackpad is hard |
| 22:06:48 | patlabor221 | how large is the screen? |
| 22:06:52 | bzdoug | 14 inch |
| 22:07:03 | patlabor221 | yeah that's smaller then mine too |
| 22:07:04 | bzdoug | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2053891746 |
| 22:07:09 | patlabor221 | I got the 15.2 |
| 22:07:12 | bzdoug | yea |
| 22:07:13 | bzdoug | nice |
| 22:07:21 | captain_proton | playing on a trackpad is quite doable after some practice |
| 22:07:31 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 22:07:35 | bzdoug | captain_proton: heh, but not for comfort |
| 22:07:47 | patlabor221 | just takes one finger |
| 22:07:53 | patlabor221 | and a tap for fire |
| 22:08:12 | captain_proton | so spend $10 and get a USB mouse |
| 22:08:25 | bzdoug | ha |
| 22:08:33 | bzdoug | or 20 for a optical scroll |
| 22:08:37 | patlabor221 | optical one then you can play on your ass |
| 22:08:52 | bzdoug | is waiting for scroll wheel support in bzflag |
| 22:08:57 | captain_proton | i play on my ass all the time |
| 22:09:05 | patlabor221 | what would it do? |
| 22:09:11 | patlabor221 | the wheel not your ass |
| 22:09:17 | bzdoug | rofl |
| 22:09:19 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 22:09:44 | bzdoug | move among players for GM |
| 22:09:57 | patlabor221 | as if it's not unbalanced as it now |
| 22:10:03 | bzdoug | ha |
| 22:10:16 | patlabor221 | and you don't lock on the GM does in flight |
| 22:10:27 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 22:10:50 | patlabor221 | thats why it sometimes picks up stuff in flight |
| 22:11:11 | bzdoug | heh |
| 22:11:20 | patlabor221 | if bz had multiple weps then that would be usefull for swtiching them |
| 22:11:28 | patlabor221 | using it to aim the turret |
| 22:11:31 | patlabor221 | not a good thing |
| 22:11:38 | bzdoug | yea |
| 22:11:42 | patlabor221 | I tried it in tradmarks |
| 22:11:43 | mandy | yawns |
| 22:12:26 | bzdoug | considers upgrading his laptop to a 1 ghz PIII |
| 22:13:27 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 22:13:38 | bzdoug | thinks hes got the wrong model number |
| 22:15:56 | bzdoug | cool |
| 22:16:36 | bzdoug | you go to compaqs website, and the webbrowser detects the serial number of the computer, and tells you what that laptop shipped with from the factory |
| 22:17:49 | patlabor221 | dell and gateway can do that too |
| 22:17:54 | bzdoug | neat |
| 22:18:22 | patlabor221 | but that means that other people can do the same thing to |
| 22:18:35 | bzdoug | M700 P2400 specs: PII 400, 256K, 64MB, 10GB, DVD-ROM [23jul99], 14.1" TFT, CPQ Mouse |
| 22:18:57 | patlabor221 | ohh just a p2 |
| 22:19:01 | patlabor221 | mine is newer then |
| 22:19:01 | bzdoug | yea |
| 22:19:05 | bzdoug | bleh |
| 22:19:13 | bzdoug | ooh |
| 22:19:16 | bzdoug | dinner time |
| 22:19:20 | patlabor221 | we have the same buss speed |
| 22:19:23 | bzdoug | is away: dinnah time |
| 22:25:44 | bzdoug | is back |
| 22:26:27 | mandy | that was fast |
| 22:26:38 | bzdoug | Mmm |
| 22:33:49 | captain_proton | scanline: you can nfsmount bzflag.net:/home/musicus if you like ;) |
| 22:33:58 | bzdoug | captain_proton: woot |
| 22:35:02 | bzdoug | neat |
| 22:35:04 | bzdoug | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2054406580 |
| 22:38:13 | captain_proton | pokes scanline |
| 22:39:32 | bzdoug | punches captain_proton |
| 22:39:41 | bzdoug | ducks |
| 22:41:49 | captain_proton | throws a sussudio at bzdoug |
| 22:41:59 | bzdoug | had his shields up |
| 22:42:11 | bzdoug | wonders if you need a shim |
| 22:42:12 | sussudio | that wont hurt |
| 22:42:19 | sussudio | it's just a drum action |
| 22:42:22 | patlabor221 | shields don't work in a planitary antmophere |
| 22:42:37 | bzdoug | has special shields |
| 22:42:55 | patlabor221 | like tard shields? |
| 22:43:00 | bzdoug | do I need a shim for the CPU? |
| 22:43:35 | patlabor221 | need no but they help |
| 22:43:49 | bzdoug | like for cooling? |
| 22:43:52 | patlabor221 | yes |
| 22:43:57 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 22:44:04 | patlabor221 | but the 1700 dosn't get that hot |
| 22:44:12 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 22:44:20 | bzdoug | but I dont want it to melt on me |
| 22:44:32 | sussudio | get a good damn cooler |
| 22:44:32 | bzdoug | what would happen if it over heats? |
| 22:44:34 | patlabor221 | it won't melt |
| 22:44:37 | captain_proton | melting athlons is fun |
| 22:44:43 | patlabor221 | once again it will just shut down |
| 22:44:49 | bzdoug | captain_proton: I seen a athlon cook once |
| 22:45:15 | bzdoug | patlabor221: ok |
| 22:45:16 | sussudio | bzdoug : like an athlon chef? |
| 22:45:20 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 22:45:26 | bzdoug | check out tomshardware |
| 22:45:31 | bzdoug | they cooked a athlon |
| 22:45:32 | patlabor221 | todays special ingreddednt:: DDR RAM |
| 22:45:41 | bzdoug | they have a video too |
| 22:45:43 | bzdoug | patlabor221: ? |
| 22:45:52 | lurgyman | tasty |
| 22:45:54 | patlabor221 | become older then you will grep it |
| 22:46:07 | bzdoug | I see |
| 22:46:12 | bzdoug | (said the blind man) |
| 22:46:14 | patlabor221 | gahh not grep goock |
| 22:46:21 | patlabor221 | grock |
| 22:46:24 | bzdoug | (as he picked up the hammer and saw) |
| 22:46:31 | bzdoug | and I forget the rest |
| 22:46:36 | patlabor221 | is that your only joke? |
| 22:46:47 | bzdoug | you kidding, right? |
| 22:47:02 | patlabor221 | ? |
| 22:47:02 | bzdoug | hmmm yea |
| 22:47:52 | bzdoug | ok |
| 22:48:21 | bzdoug | $135.66 for a athlon 1700 and a mobo with a ballbearing fan/shim/cooling gunk plus UPS shipping |
| 22:48:35 | bzdoug | includeds UPS shipping |
| 22:48:49 | patlabor221 | what mobo? |
| 22:48:52 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 22:49:04 | bzdoug | ECS K7S5A |
| 22:49:31 | patlabor221 | Mobo 50 |
| 22:49:34 | patlabor221 | CPU 60 |
| 22:49:37 | patlabor221 | fan 12 |
| 22:49:42 | patlabor221 | shim 3 |
| 22:49:47 | captain_proton | almost has DVD::Rip working |
| 22:49:48 | patlabor221 | gunk 0.54 |
| 22:49:53 | bzdoug | heh |
| 22:50:13 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 22:50:16 | patlabor221 | yeah not bad |
| 22:50:21 | patlabor221 | that's like 10 for shiping' |
| 22:50:32 | bzdoug | shipping is 17 |
| 22:50:37 | bzdoug | UPS ground |
| 22:51:14 | bzdoug | so is this a good/bad deal? |
| 22:51:42 | sussudio | http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2002-09-16&res=l |
| 22:51:45 | sussudio | heh. |
| 22:51:49 | bzdoug | oh yea + $0.19 cents |
| 22:52:13 | bzdoug | er |
| 22:52:19 | bzdoug | - $0.19 |
| 22:52:31 | captain_proton | yay for a martial arts version of snow white |
| 22:52:39 | sussudio | snow red? |
| 22:52:40 | bzdoug | oh great |
| 22:52:45 | bzdoug | sussudio: haha |
| 22:53:10 | captain_proton | http://www.cnn.com/2002/SH |
| 22:53:14 | captain_proton | err |
| 22:53:17 | captain_proton | http://www.cnn.com/2002/SHOWBIZ/Movies/09/19/offbeat.film.snow.reut/index.html |
| 22:53:46 | bzdoug | let me guess |
| 22:53:51 | bzdoug | it was on slashdot |
| 22:53:54 | | bzdoug: i'm not following you... |
| 22:53:54 | bzdoug | ibot slashdo |
| 22:54:03 | | Slashdot - Updated 2002-09-19 22:40:46 | A Universal Roaming Profile? | OpenSSL Gets Cryptography Gift From Sun | How The DMCA Is Enforced | WorldCom Forced To Block Questionable Sites |
| 22:54:03 | bzdoug | ibot slashdot |
| 22:54:03 | captain_proton | nope |
| 22:54:07 | | Slashdot - Updated 2002-09-19 22:40:46 | A Universal Roaming Profile? | OpenSSL Gets Cryptography Gift From Sun | How The DMCA Is Enforced | WorldCom Forced To Block Questionable Sites |
| 22:54:07 | sussudio | ibot slashdot |
| 22:54:08 | captain_proton | at least not that i know of |
| 22:54:14 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 22:54:16 | bzdoug | maybe not |
| 22:54:43 | sussudio | maybe it was on crybaby central^K^K^K^K^K kuro5hin |
| 22:54:51 | bzdoug | haha |
| 22:55:30 | captain_proton | i should submit it to /. |
| 22:55:38 | bzdoug | do it |
| 22:55:44 | bzdoug | under the name captain_proton |
| 22:56:32 | sussudio | neh. they'll only post stories about sheep with large asses and stuff like that |
| 22:56:52 | bzdoug | rofl |
| 22:56:53 | sussudio | News for Australians. Mutton that matters. |
| 22:57:01 | bzdoug | lol |
| 22:57:11 | sussudio | it was an actual story. |
| 22:57:14 | sussudio | i'm not kidding. |
| 22:57:19 | bzdoug | ? |
| 22:57:22 | bzdoug | show me |
| 22:57:28 | sussudio | they found a gene mutation that made sheep get superbig asses |
| 22:57:37 | bzdoug | haha |
| 22:57:38 | lurgyman | tasty |
| 22:57:38 | sussudio | i'd have to look.... |
| 22:57:48 | sussudio | pasting under linux is a bitch between console and X |
| 22:57:54 | bzdoug | it is |
| 22:58:00 | lurgyman | obvious man sez: don't use console |
| 22:58:08 | lurgyman | :) |
| 22:58:50 | sussudio | http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/09/17/1648208&mode=flat&tid=134 |
| 22:58:56 | captain_proton | finishes submitting to slashdot |
| 22:59:11 | bzdoug | sighs |
| 22:59:12 | bzdoug | Mac OS X 10.2.1 Released |
| 22:59:20 | sussudio | counts the second before it's rejected |
| 22:59:22 | lurgyman | woofs like a barking llama |
| 22:59:36 | bzdoug | what does a barking llama sound like? |
| 22:59:50 | lurgyman | somewhat like a bright green ocelot on crack |
| 22:59:57 | bzdoug | ah |
| 23:00:03 | sussudio | pygmy marmocets! |
| 23:00:07 | lurgyman | glad to clear it up for you |
| 23:00:09 | lurgyman | tasty |
| 23:00:11 | bzdoug | thanks |
| 23:00:12 | sussudio | they sound like wil wheaton |
| 23:00:17 | mandy | tasty |
| 23:00:21 | mandy | =\ |
| 23:00:30 | bzdoug | wonders when iDVD will be able to rip dvds |
| 23:00:55 | mandy | ok i got to go |
| 23:01:07 | bzdoug | cya |
| 23:01:09 | bzdoug | tah rah |
| 23:01:10 | sussudio | wonders when macs will come with a vacuumcleaner attachment. it will be called... iSuck |
| 23:01:16 | bzdoug | HAHA |
| 23:01:28 | captain_proton | a groinal attachment? |
| 23:01:33 | sussudio | yes |
| 23:01:51 | sussudio | it can make whipped cream too |
| 23:02:10 | captain_proton | well spin my nipple-nuts and send me to alaska |
| 23:02:31 | lurgyman | wonders when cold fusion combined with antimatter propulsion and artificially bending space-time will let humanity travel to distant galaxies where it can discover whole new species of llama and call it the spnork |
| 23:02:33 | sussudio | bzdoug is a small off-duty czechoslovakian traffic warden |
| 23:03:05 | sussudio | lurgyman : 2007 |
| 23:03:08 | bzdoug | lurgyman: and your the person to do it!!!! |
| 23:03:25 | lurgyman | let's win self-determination for the south moldavian peoples! |
| 23:04:10 | sussudio | or carpetbomb them |
| 23:04:23 | RamsesNibleckthe | no! software cloning only! |
| 23:05:42 | lurgyman | sporkerific! |
| 23:06:23 | captain_proton | begins ripping prisoner 101 - Arrival |
| 23:06:52 | bzdoug | is away: pork = porc in french |
| 23:08:51 | captain_proton | dinnertime |
| 23:09:44 | BZFlag | chris walters just signed up to update the irix packages. |
| 23:10:20 | patlabor221 | gets the heck outa here |
| 23:11:49 | BZFlag | wishes he had some "the heck outa here" too. |
| 23:14:09 | sussudio | i installed the stupid dri stuff from sourceforge and now my libgl.so.1 is gone |
| 23:19:00 | sussudio | make dep ; make clean ; make pancakes |
| 23:19:02 | sussudio | yumm |
| 23:23:38 | Widget | sussudio: Is the Dutch equivalent of "Bin kurz weg", "Ben kort weg"? |
| 23:23:51 | sussudio | no |
| 23:23:59 | Widget | What is, then? |
| 23:24:04 | sussudio | ben zo terug |
| 23:24:15 | bzgirl | hello |
| 23:24:19 | sussudio | hello |
| 23:24:46 | Widget | hihihi |
| 23:25:08 | Widget | Doesn't "ben zo terug" mean "Therefore I will be back" or something? |
| 23:25:17 | sussudio | be back soon |
| 23:25:25 | Widget | What does "zo" mean? |
| 23:25:59 | sussudio | um. |
| 23:26:43 | sussudio | i guess it's uses in a similar way to the english using 'yet'. it doesnt really mean anything by itself. |
| 23:27:19 | Widget | Ah. I thought it meant like "so" or "therefore". |
| 23:27:49 | sussudio | nope. i guess i could look it up in the dictionary or something. |
| 23:27:59 | sussudio | if i could find it |
| 23:28:13 | Widget | I'll find one. |
| 23:29:16 | sussudio | www.vandale.nl |
| 23:29:55 | Widget | De pagina die u zocht, is helaas niet gevonden. |
| 23:30:58 | sussudio | admins are not smart |
| 23:34:43 | Widget | Error in evaluation;Error in configuration. |
| 23:36:10 | sussudio | http://dictionaries.travlang.com/DutchEnglish/dict.cgi?query=zo&max=50 |
| 23:37:25 | Widget | zo |
| 23:37:25 | Widget | 1. in that way, this way, like this, thus |
| 23:37:27 | Widget | I was right! |
| 23:37:51 | sussudio | nope |
| 23:37:53 | sussudio | not in that context |
| 23:38:11 | Widget | Ah, this definition "at once, immediately, just, right away, right now" |
| 23:38:31 | sussudio | dutch is more complex than english |
| 23:38:42 | sussudio | more words, so you cant translate everything |
| 23:39:19 | Widget | Dutch has more words than English? |
| 23:39:25 | sussudio | far more |
| 23:39:31 | Widget | I heard that English has the largest vocabulary of any language. |
| 23:39:38 | Widget | Due to its huge number of borrowings, etc. |
| 23:39:42 | sussudio | nope. english is very limited |
| 23:39:57 | sussudio | its a simple language |
| 23:40:03 | Widget | In terms of grammar. |
| 23:40:04 | sussudio | unlike dutch, german, french |
| 23:40:15 | Widget | But in terms of size of vocabulary, I think English has the most. |
| 23:40:20 | lurgyman | The dead cows are drowning! The llamas are having trouble flying away because their wings are heavy with water! |
| 23:40:37 | sussudio | nope. |
| 23:41:12 | sussudio | there's just 1 word for "you" in english, for example |
| 23:41:29 | Widget | And archaic thee. |
| 23:41:37 | Widget | But that's not where most of English's vocabulary comes from. |
| 23:41:54 | captain_proton | wonders if its transcoding right |
| 23:42:05 | lurgyman | Widget: it's a simple language in terms of grammar? are you on crack? |
| 23:42:06 | Widget | Yourdictionary.com claims English has a vocabulary of about 816,100 words. |
| 23:42:15 | sussudio | there's nothing like Sie/Du (german) |
| 23:42:18 | Widget | lurgyman: Compared to French or German, it is. |
| 23:42:24 | scanline | captain_proton: permission denied |
| 23:42:30 | Widget | lurgyman: The most difficult thing about English is the orthography. |
| 23:42:33 | lurgyman | Widget: french is more grammatically simple than english is |
| 23:42:48 | lurgyman | Widget: they actually follow some of their own rules |
| 23:42:48 | Widget | lurgyman: Which is apparently the second worst of European languages, after Irish Gaelic. |
| 23:43:07 | Widget | lurgyman: English has more exceptions, yes, but it also has a lot less conjugation, and a lot fewer strong verbs. |
| 23:43:17 | captain_proton | scanline: hmm, i thought i'd given you perms |
| 23:43:23 | Widget | lurgyman: And even fewer irregular verbs. (French doesn't have Strong verbs of course, not being Germanic) |
| 23:43:51 | Widget | sussudio: There used to be. Thee/You |
| 23:43:58 | lurgyman | Widget: english has fewer conjugations, but there are english modifications of the verbs from a lot of other languages |
| 23:44:02 | Widget | sussudio: But the English became too polite and used "You" all the time. |
| 23:44:05 | sussudio | Widget : no. it's not even close. |
| 23:44:05 | lurgyman | Widget: that all mean the same thing |
| 23:44:13 | Widget | sussudio: What do you mean? |
| 23:44:22 | Widget | lurgyman: I don't understand what you're saying. Example? |
| 23:44:32 | sussudio | Widget : how can you explain something that isnt there in english |
| 23:44:36 | lurgyman | Widget: well, for example, |
| 23:44:54 | lurgyman | Widget: 'attends', in french |
| 23:45:00 | Widget | lurgyman: J'attends.... |
| 23:45:05 | lurgyman | Widget: one of the many imported in to english |
| 23:45:24 | lurgyman | Widget: and mutated to mean something different later |
| 23:45:34 | Widget | lurgyman: So what's the problem with that? |
| 23:45:39 | lurgyman | Widget: but you can achieve its meaning with a lot of other words |
| 23:45:42 | lurgyman | Widget: like, |
| 23:45:56 | Widget | lurgyman: Yes, as I said, English has a very large vocabulary. |
| 23:45:59 | Widget | lurgyman: But simple grammar. |
| 23:46:47 | lurgyman | Widget: with a ridiculous number of exceptions |
| 23:47:06 | lurgyman | can't talk anymore, prisoner on |
| 23:47:15 | Widget | lurgyman: No grammatical gender, etc. |
| 23:47:18 | Widget | lurgyman: See you |
| 23:47:29 | bzdoug | have any of you ever been in a plain? |
| 23:47:33 | bzdoug | :P |
| 23:47:38 | Widget | Plain? |
| 23:47:39 | sussudio | a plain what |
| 23:47:46 | Widget | Like rolling plains? |
| 23:47:49 | bzdoug | plane |
| 23:47:51 | bzdoug | plain |
| 23:47:56 | bzdoug | sounds the same |
| 23:47:57 | Patlabor221 | aeroplane? |
| 23:48:06 | Widget | Yes, aeroplane? |
| 23:48:10 | Patlabor221 | I went colinear once |
| 23:48:12 | Patlabor221 | yes I have |
| 23:48:14 | bzdoug | heaver than air flying machine |
| 23:48:16 | Widget | I have too. |
| 23:48:20 | sussudio | just a single engined one for like 20 mins above legoland once |
| 23:48:42 | Patlabor221 | I know how to fly them myself |
| 23:48:56 | Widget | sussudio: In Jutland? |
| 23:49:03 | bzdoug | hehe |
| 23:49:14 | sussudio | Widget : shrug. was like 20 years ago. somewhere in denmark. |
| 23:50:12 | sussudio | i would pay good money for mtv to stop playing april lavigne |
| 23:50:14 | Patlabor221 | what of the flying machines |
| 23:50:24 | sussudio | gnomish flying machines? |
| 23:50:32 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 23:51:28 | sussudio | zuk zuk |
| 23:51:42 | Patlabor221 | ahh my wizardress now has a last name :) |
| 23:51:45 | Widget | Zut alors. |
| 23:51:57 | sussudio | my liege |
| 23:52:04 | bzdoug | Patlabor221: what planes do you fly? |
| 23:52:19 | Patlabor221 | moslty homebuilts |
| 23:52:24 | bzdoug | oh? |
| 23:52:26 | Widget | A broomstick. |
| 23:52:27 | Patlabor221 | sing elenge open cockpit stuff |
| 23:52:28 | bzdoug | ultralights? |
| 23:52:32 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 23:52:34 | bzdoug | Widget: haha |
| 23:52:37 | bzdoug | Patlabor221: ooh |
| 23:52:37 | Patlabor221 | dad sold the ultralight |
| 23:52:38 | sussudio | japanese zero? |
| 23:52:49 | bzdoug | woo |
| 23:52:56 | bzdoug | got XP to freeze up |
| 23:53:00 | sussudio | anyone read that handbook for kamikaze pilots? |
| 23:53:05 | Widget | sussudio: That's rei, isn't it? |
| 23:53:09 | Patlabor221 | I've been in a zero tho |
| 23:53:09 | Widget | sussudio: Oh, the aeroplane. |
| 23:53:38 | bzdoug | sussudio: yea, aim nose to target, apply full power |
| 23:54:03 | sussudio | bzdoug : do not fly when you have diarrhea, you will not be able to concentrate |
| 23:54:16 | bzdoug | haha |
| 23:54:27 | bzdoug | to flys have diarrhea? |
| 23:54:47 | sussudio | flys isnt a word |
| 23:55:14 | bzdoug | what do planes do? |
| 23:55:30 | sussudio | crash |
| 23:55:35 | bzdoug | oh |
| 23:55:51 | bzdoug | :) |
| 23:56:47 | Widget | sussudio: What's China in Dutch? |
| 23:56:54 | sussudio | china |
| 23:56:59 | Patlabor221 | ha |
| 23:57:00 | | Widget: excuse me? |
| 23:57:00 | Widget | ibot: x en nd China. |
| 23:57:01 | Widget | Ah. |
| 23:57:14 | Widget | The Netherlands in Chinese is he2lan2. |
| 23:57:20 | bzdoug | HAH |
| 23:57:25 | Patlabor221 | with 2s? |
| 23:57:32 | Widget | That shows the tone. |
| 23:57:34 | Widget | It's rising tone. |
| 23:57:42 | Widget | As if you're asking a question. |
| 23:57:44 | Patlabor221 | no it's not it's the number 2 |
| 23:57:47 | bzdoug | booop |
| 23:57:53 | bzdoug | boop |
| 23:57:55 | bzdoug | beep |
| 23:57:57 | bzdoug | bing |
| 23:57:57 | Widget | In ASCII, the tone is indicated with numbers after the syllable. |
| 23:58:01 | Widget | Like... |
| 23:58:35 | Patlabor221 | it's the number 2 |
| 23:58:38 | Widget | I know. |
| 23:58:42 | Widget | That's how the tones are indicated. |
| 23:58:42 | bzdoug | zippy de do da! |
| 23:58:54 | Widget | The two means "pronounce the previous syllable as second tone". |
| 23:59:12 | Nicole_ | hilo people |
| 23:59:13 | Widget | For instance, ma, zhong1, lan2, wo3, shi4 |
| 23:59:16 | Widget | hihihi |
| 23:59:33 | bzdoug | wonders why the dvd aint showing up now |
| 23:59:52 | Patlabor221 | why not WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
| 23:59:56 | Patlabor221 | that has a tone |
