| 00:00:01 | captain_proton | 108...pitiful |
| 00:00:02 | doughecka | but good enuf for me to consider debian |
| 00:00:14 | doughecka | but then I cant run my gams |
| 00:00:18 | doughecka | games even |
| 00:00:38 | scan[ibook] | argh.. where the hell is my flatbladed screwdriver |
| 00:00:40 | doughecka | starts making boot floppys |
| 00:00:49 | doughecka | all 4 of them |
| 00:00:55 | captain_proton | starts back up the bhaskara server |
| 00:00:57 | scan[ibook] | oh.. in my toolbox :-/ |
| 00:01:00 | doughecka | haha |
| 00:01:08 | doughecka | captain_proton: let me see the map! |
| 00:02:32 | scan[ibook] | fills the room with dust as he blows out 8 fans |
| 00:03:05 | doughecka | haha |
| 00:03:08 | doughecka | 8? |
| 00:03:09 | doughecka | wow |
| 00:03:35 | doughecka | goes back into the living room with his laptop, to order a new mobo |
| 00:04:15 | bzdoug_ | k |
| 00:05:25 | dougsemulatedpow | tsk |
| 00:05:31 | dougsemulatedpow | powerbook |
| 00:05:46 | scan[ibook] | ibook! |
| 00:06:19 | dougsemulatedpow | nope |
| 00:06:40 | dougsemulatedpow | on my 133 laptop, it emulates a mac |
| 00:06:46 | scan[ibook] | hehe |
| 00:06:46 | dougsemulatedpow | slowly |
| 00:06:46 | dougsemulatedpow | but it works |
| 00:06:46 | BZFlag | jzaun: got a web interface up yet? http://bzflag.jzaun.com/high.shtml is blank for me |
| 00:06:47 | dougsemulatedpow | :) |
| 00:07:12 | jzaun | BZFlag: http://jzaun.com/bzflag2 |
| 00:07:27 | jzaun | but don't pass it out, its still very very beta |
| 00:07:41 | dougsemulatedpow | hehe |
| 00:07:54 | BZFlag | notes that ibot just heard that and posted it to google. |
| 00:08:03 | dougsemulatedpow | good luck, you just posted it to everybody in in the world |
| 00:08:07 | dougsemulatedpow | hehe |
| 00:08:13 | jzaun | joy |
| 00:08:19 | dougsemulatedpow | lol |
| 00:08:23 | dougsemulatedpow | by that time, it better be done |
| 00:09:34 | jzaun | http://jzaun.com/bzflag2/player?callsign=MrApathyCream <-- thats a good example of individual player information |
| 00:09:39 | lurgyman | on a completely different note, i'm working on hacking two more flags in: |
| 00:09:46 | dougsemulatedpow | oh? |
| 00:10:08 | lurgyman | high gravity and low gravity |
| 00:10:15 | dougslaptop | haha |
| 00:10:16 | dougslaptop | cool |
| 00:10:20 | BZFlag | jzaun: nick links are broken for nicks with spaces. should be -> %20 |
| 00:10:30 | lurgyman | it's going slow because i don't know the code very well, but it's going |
| 00:10:45 | jzaun | Should work... workin in Galeon |
| 00:11:00 | jzaun | I'll convert the to URL encodeing though |
| 00:11:25 | BZFlag | "http://jzaun.com/bzflag2/player?callsign=2 bad" is not a valid URL even if galeon or other browsers deal with it. |
| 00:11:40 | jzaun | ok ok, point taken |
| 00:11:52 | BZFlag | heh just "helping out" ;-) |
| 00:12:00 | jzaun | :) |
| 00:12:11 | jzaun | There should be a php function to do it somewhere |
| 00:12:35 | jpablo | urlencode |
| 00:12:44 | jzaun | thanks |
| 00:12:48 | BZFlag | http://jzaun.com/bzflag/ does not work well cause of absolute links (/foo...) etc. is that intentional? |
| 00:13:17 | BZFlag | http://jzaun.com/bzflag2/ seems to have all relative links. |
| 00:13:20 | jzaun | where is an absolute at? been trying to get rid of them |
| 00:13:26 | jzaun | ahh... |
| 00:13:28 | BZFlag | in the old version. |
| 00:13:38 | jzaun | http://jzaun.com/bzflag is http://bzflag.jzaun.com |
| 00:13:38 | lurgyman | food time for proton and llama |
| 00:13:49 | captain_proton | deener :) |
| 00:14:30 | captain_proton | jzaun: need to not be url-encoding [] in the page |
| 00:14:40 | captain_proton | err |
| 00:14:42 | captain_proton | unencode everything |
| 00:14:48 | captain_proton | %5BTLZ%5D+Texas+Hunter |
| 00:14:51 | jzaun | yah I encoded the wrong one |
| 00:14:53 | jzaun | gimme a sec. |
| 00:15:16 | captain_proton | deeeeener |
| 00:15:31 | jzaun | fixed |
| 00:15:46 | BZFlag | also buttons make font size assumptions: http://rikers.org/tmp/jzaun-buttons.png |
| 00:16:23 | dougslaptop | the same for me too |
| 00:16:24 | jzaun | yah still playing with them |
| 00:16:26 | dougslaptop | ^^ |
| 00:16:36 | jzaun | not sure how to make the code so it works right |
| 00:16:43 | jzaun | are the messed up on bzflag.jzaun.com? |
| 00:19:23 | BZFlag | http://rikers.org/tmp/bzflag-jzaun-buttons.png <- yes. |
| 00:19:45 | jzaun | ok... will work on that |
| 00:20:26 | dougslaptop | tsk |
| 00:20:28 | dougslaptop | tsk tsk |
| 00:20:31 | dougslaptop | tsk tsk tsk |
| 00:20:36 | dougslaptop | tsk x4 |
| 00:20:54 | jzaun | ok ok ok, you wana give me the button HTML that works? :-P |
| 00:21:06 | dougslaptop | me? |
| 00:21:17 | jzaun | yah, mister tsk x4 |
| 00:21:18 | dougslaptop | no, I felt like saying that at the moment |
| 00:21:23 | dougslaptop | LOL |
| 00:21:28 | jzaun | BZFlag: http://jzaun.com/bzflag2/ look better? |
| 00:22:58 | BZFlag | nope, just different. |
| 00:25:02 | scan[ibook] | jzaun: remove the linebreaks between the <td>, <img>, and </td> |
| 00:26:09 | dougslaptop | scan: what are you gonna do with the old mobo? |
| 00:26:37 | scan[ibook] | I have no plans for it.. the AGP slot is busted |
| 00:26:41 | dougslaptop | ah |
| 00:26:42 | scan[ibook] | might have a friend that wants it though |
| 00:26:47 | dougslaptop | heh |
| 00:27:00 | dougslaptop | hmm, would make a nice linux box.... |
| 00:27:05 | dougslaptop | what kind of CPU? |
| 00:27:19 | scan[ibook] | Athlon XP 2000+_ |
| 00:27:21 | scan[ibook] | err, 2000+ |
| 00:27:23 | dougslaptop | woah |
| 00:27:23 | scan[ibook] | but I'm keeping that |
| 00:27:32 | dougslaptop | ah, smart... |
| 00:27:32 | dougslaptop | :) |
| 00:27:46 | scan[ibook] | it's amazing the prices these days... |
| 00:27:51 | dougslaptop | oh? |
| 00:27:52 | dougslaptop | cheap? |
| 00:27:54 | scan[ibook] | you can get an XP 2000+ for like $80 |
| 00:28:00 | dougslaptop | heh |
| 00:28:05 | dougslaptop | good price |
| 00:28:14 | scan[ibook] | you can get a fast Duron for maybe $20 |
| 00:28:18 | dougslaptop | I am gonna get a duron 1.2 ghz mobo |
| 00:28:23 | dougslaptop | combo |
| 00:28:39 | dougslaptop | ECS K7S5A-2 with Duron 1200Mhz (1.2)CPU & Fan |
| 00:28:44 | dougslaptop | $100 |
| 00:28:48 | scan[ibook] | nice |
| 00:28:51 | dougslaptop | plus shipping |
| 00:29:02 | jzaun | scan[ibook]: Thats for the tip... that removed the white gap |
| 00:29:11 | dougslaptop | hmm, about time I upgraded from a emachine |
| 00:29:12 | jzaun | BZFlag: are the fonts still to big? |
| 00:29:20 | scan[ibook] | jzaun: np |
| 00:29:28 | dougslaptop | and my 333 mhz celly LOL |
| 00:30:09 | dougslaptop | but at least my 333 mhz comp has 786 megs of ram in it.... it helps it along with these new games |
| 00:30:20 | dougslaptop | hehe |
| 00:31:04 | dougslaptop | tsk, I gotta get the mobo sometime... been on my todo list for a month |
| 00:31:08 | dougslaptop | :) |
| 00:31:40 | dougslaptop | tsk, bed time... |
| 00:31:58 | scan[ibook] | tsk tsk tsk tsk :P |
| 00:32:06 | dougslaptop | tttttttssssssskkkkkkkkkkk |
| 00:32:07 | jzaun | no bed time |
| 00:32:11 | jzaun | its 9:39pm |
| 00:32:16 | dougslaptop | yah? |
| 00:32:19 | jzaun | I was up till 5:00am last night |
| 00:32:23 | dougslaptop | and that means... |
| 00:32:33 | jzaun | you have to be up till 5:00am tonight |
| 00:32:38 | jzaun | only fair |
| 00:32:43 | dougslaptop | haha |
| 00:32:48 | dougslaptop | try and make me :P |
| 00:32:55 | jzaun | :) |
| 00:33:12 | dougslaptop | tsk, anyway.... |
| 00:33:17 | dougslaptop | bed time..... |
| 00:33:21 | jzaun | :-( |
| 00:33:24 | jzaun | Have a good night |
| 00:33:27 | dougslaptop | is away: ZZZZZzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZzzzzzz |
| 00:33:28 | dougslaptop | hehe |
| 00:33:32 | jzaun | Sweet Dreams and all that |
| 00:33:36 | dougslaptop | yea yea |
| 00:33:43 | dougslaptop | dont let the bed bugs byte |
| 00:33:44 | jzaun | Don't let the bed bugs bite |
| 00:33:49 | jzaun | they hurt |
| 00:34:00 | jzaun | and leave little welts |
| 00:34:01 | dougslaptop | great minds think alike, you know.. |
| 00:34:05 | dougslaptop | oh? |
| 00:34:17 | dougslaptop | well, I will be sure too tell them |
| 00:34:20 | dougslaptop | :) |
| 00:34:24 | jzaun | Yah I know... so why you thinkin like me :-D |
| 00:34:33 | dougslaptop | LOL |
| 00:34:52 | jzaun | G'Night |
| 00:35:09 | dougslaptop | hm, lets see if win 98 can last another night without crashing... |
| 00:35:11 | dougslaptop | :) |
| 00:35:20 | dougslaptop | is quitting |
| 00:35:27 | jzaun | gos, good luck with win98 |
| 00:36:06 | doughecka | lol |
| 00:36:20 | doughecka | now I have to leave my desktop too.. |
| 00:36:22 | doughecka | tsk tsk |
| 00:36:35 | doughecka | is away: BEEEEEEEED |
| 00:45:36 | captain_proton | signs up for the jzaun zone |
| 00:49:30 | captain_proton | hmm, perhaps not |
| 00:51:29 | Widget | I'm turning my last game into a go problem. |
| 00:55:28 | captain_proton | yaaay |
| 00:55:47 | captain_proton | yes on the Useless Flag! |
| 00:57:29 | jacques | ? |
| 01:04:48 | captain_proton | colorcodes the new flags |
| 01:26:17 | iLLf8d | ls |
| 01:26:45 | captain_proton | cp |
| 01:27:41 | Widget | rm |
| 01:29:07 | iLLf8d | df -h |
| 01:48:25 | lurgyman | so, how 'bout them cardboard socks? |
| 01:48:48 | scan[ibook] | been keeping your laundry in the freezer again? |
| 01:50:46 | lurgyman | no, not -frozen- socks |
| 01:50:52 | lurgyman | -cardboard- socks |
| 01:51:01 | lurgyman | what a ridiculous place to store socks. |
| 01:51:18 | lurgyman | getting cold feet about the idea already |
| 01:53:16 | Widget | Can someone help me find a good vocal version of the Israeli national anthem "Hatiqvah" (Also spelled Hatikvah=? |
| 02:04:08 | jzaun | has a simple player list up and working |
| 02:14:54 | lurgyman | hoofo |
| 02:17:06 | captain_proton | sup scanline? |
| 02:17:27 | lurgyman | flobidob blib blob bleeb |
| 02:18:05 | scanline | captain_proton: just got my XPs turned into MPs :) |
| 02:18:36 | captain_proton | howfore? |
| 02:18:59 | captain_proton | time for that show to end all shows, blakes7 :D |
| 02:46:03 | captain_proton | THE END...OF FILM |
| 03:16:36 | lurgyman | yin ton iddle i po |
| 03:18:11 | Widget | Wo hui |
| 03:20:39 | captain_proton | yaaaaaaaay |
| 03:20:40 | captain_proton | cvs commit |
| 03:23:52 | captain_proton | when apathy shows up tell him cvs is working again |
| 03:29:16 | BZFlag | it was broken? |
| 03:51:45 | Widget | What's micah? |
| 03:51:51 | anotherScanline | eh? |
| 03:51:53 | anotherScanline | micah's my name |
| 03:51:59 | Widget | Oh. |
| 03:52:05 | Widget | I thought scanline was your name. |
| 03:52:35 | anotherScanline | well there's this thing called Real Life you see... |
| 03:52:37 | anotherScanline | i've been there a few times |
| 03:53:43 | Widget | Tell us another. |
| 03:53:55 | Widget | Wasn't "real life" something from the Matrix? |
| 03:54:48 | anotherScanline | ah, so you've seen the prophecy |
| 03:55:17 | anotherScanline | nick scan[laptop] |
| 03:55:19 | anotherScanline | oop |
| 03:55:30 | scan[laptop] | scan[ibook] is stuck in the TCP ether... |
| 03:58:12 | scanline | builds a shiny new SMP 2.4.19 kernel |
| 04:10:37 | iLLf8d | night all |
| 04:35:05 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: cvs works again! |
| 04:36:56 | MrApathyCream | heh, i noticed... who fixed it |
| 04:38:12 | captain_proton | llarry the llama |
| 04:40:18 | MrApathyCream | any votes on the eeyore flag :) |
| 04:40:37 | captain_proton | put it up the flagpole and see if BZFlag salutes ;) |
| 04:42:07 | lurgyman | i vote pork! |
| 04:42:42 | MrApathyCream | even builds on windoze |
| 04:43:17 | captain_proton | the new flag? wow |
| 04:43:48 | lurgyman | let's hire US plus |
| 04:43:57 | captain_proton | they own the idea of america |
| 04:44:12 | lurgyman | because of them, it's morning in america |
| 04:44:15 | captain_proton | hey, is this real pork? |
| 04:44:31 | lurgyman | wow, this tastes like pork! |
| 04:45:14 | lurgyman | a platform agnostic, browser-blind bit broker. |
| 04:45:18 | captain_proton | because of them, people are roasting east-coast marshmallows on the west coast |
| 04:45:21 | lurgyman | from US whatgate.... plus |
| 04:45:49 | lurgyman | with extra knee room |
| 04:45:52 | lurgyman | for your extra knees |
| 04:47:13 | lurgyman | give me immortality or give me death |
| 04:47:34 | lurgyman | it's made in america, from americans! |
| 04:50:40 | captain_proton | unlimited plague-free air |
| 04:50:50 | lurgyman | no more bleeding babies |
| 04:51:52 | lurgyman | fly the goddess air plush bus |
| 04:52:17 | captain_proton | you may not know where you are, but you'll never forget how you got there |
| 04:52:49 | lurgyman | and you've got........ the plague! |
| 04:53:23 | lurgyman | out of the smog, into the fog |
| 04:53:28 | [BZ]Ruudi | http://tlf.cx/winrg.swf |
| 04:53:29 | lurgyman | dogedly (woof woof) |
| 04:53:30 | [BZ]Ruudi | hi |
| 04:53:32 | [BZ]Ruudi | bye |
| 04:53:36 | lurgyman | ruthlessly (i wonder where ruth is?) |
| 04:53:52 | lurgyman | he walks into a large sandstone building |
| 04:53:54 | lurgyman | OW! |
| 04:54:03 | lurgyman | he's... |
| 04:54:09 | captain_proton | nick danger, third eye |
| 04:54:53 | lurgyman | the critics are unanimous: They hate "Pull my strings" |
| 04:55:02 | lurgyman | `A morbid exploitation of the freshly dead' |
| 04:55:15 | lurgyman | use boom dot bust |
| 04:55:27 | lurgyman | sick of beating off the rat race... with a mouse? |
| 04:56:06 | lurgyman | And now it's time for the glue-it-yourself show. |
| 04:56:11 | lurgyman | I'm martha glue it. |
| 04:56:20 | lurgyman | And remember, |
| 04:56:39 | lurgyman | last week, when we showed you how gluing a lampshade to your head can be a surefire party-starter! |
| 04:57:18 | lurgyman | ------------------------------------- |
| 04:57:35 | lurgyman | By mixing dirt with mud, our scientists have invented... |
| 04:57:36 | lurgyman | MUD! |
| 04:57:58 | lurgyman | now sold in the cafeteria under the name 'macaroni al greta' |
| 04:58:01 | lurgyman | the lunchroom is open |
| 04:58:05 | lurgyman | doctors are standing by |
| 04:58:27 | scanline | lurgyman: you're from colorado.edu too>? |
| 04:58:44 | lurgyman | yes. what a coincidence... |
| 04:58:45 | lurgyman | ahem. |
| 04:58:48 | scanline | hehe |
| 04:59:00 | scanline | well, I just got my SMP motherboard working or so it seems |
| 04:59:03 | lurgyman | ain't it wonderful how the crack flows so freely! |
| 04:59:07 | scanline | so now I can finally do OpenGL stuff again |
| 04:59:11 | scanline | is scared |
| 04:59:41 | lurgyman | if i weren't at the university of colorado, i'd probably be somewhere else |
| 05:01:37 | scanline | so you're captain_proton's roommage? |
| 05:01:40 | scanline | err, roommate? |
| 05:02:17 | lurgyman | pork |
| 05:02:25 | scanline | it's what's for dinner? |
| 05:02:45 | lurgyman | no, disgusting spicyish chicken was for dinner |
| 05:02:46 | lurgyman | ick |
| 05:03:12 | lurgyman | that and the lack of pineapple and strawberries in the fruit salad |
| 05:05:11 | lurgyman | oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh, there were................. |
| 05:05:15 | lurgyman | beets |
| 05:05:18 | lurgyman | lots of beets |
| 05:05:41 | lurgyman | and the did not hop 'cause |
| 05:05:45 | lurgyman | they were not meats |
| 05:05:46 | lurgyman | oh |
| 05:06:36 | scanline | I don't suppose you know why my ethernet card isn't working eh? |
| 05:06:42 | captain_proton | pork |
| 05:06:51 | captain_proton | hire USPlus |
| 05:06:53 | captain_proton | they'll fix it |
| 05:07:05 | scanline | tests his other peripherals |
| 05:07:12 | scanline | I think the only thing that doesn't work right now is my gigabit ethernet... |
| 05:07:17 | lurgyman | maybe it isn't working because all those packets keep leeking through |
| 05:07:22 | captain_proton | i have an idea about that |
| 05:07:30 | captain_proton | the network here is 10/100 |
| 05:07:32 | captain_proton | ;) |
| 05:07:42 | scanline | bah, between yoshi and navi :P |
| 05:08:04 | lurgyman | ...you have the entire Nintendo selection of quality games |
| 05:08:10 | scanline | hmm. Sound works fine |
| 05:08:20 | lurgyman | why don't you all go out and buy nintendo products right now? |
| 05:08:32 | scanline | I have enough nintendo products |
| 05:08:33 | lurgyman | wholesome famly entertanement |
| 05:08:49 | scanline | a couple NES and SNESes |
| 05:09:10 | lurgyman | no N64/GameCube? You should be ashamed |
| 05:09:12 | scanline | sticks a "Wholesome family entertainment" sticker on lurgyman's head |
| 05:09:21 | scanline | my brother has a N64 and gamecube |
| 05:09:24 | captain_proton | i'm doctor winkydink |
| 05:09:36 | scanline | raids captain_proton and lurgyman's room for a bong |
| 05:09:48 | lurgyman | author of "Sex with my hat" |
| 05:10:06 | scanline | holy cow.. on a SMP system with an NVidia card the "translucent" Eterms almost look perfectly smooth as you drag them! |
| 05:10:22 | captain_proton | omg you're kidding |
| 05:10:26 | scanline | just the small matter of the text itself flickering like crazy :) |
| 05:10:37 | captain_proton | i wants to write a l33to compositing engine :) |
| 05:10:42 | scanline | but man.. the background is almost perfectly smooth, just a little jitter |
| 05:10:47 | lurgyman | you can solve the smooth eterm problem by trading vid cards with me |
| 05:10:52 | scanline | captain_proton: luke, I am your father.... |
| 05:11:22 | scanline | captain_proton: evas, libart, fresco, and even picogui can do compositing way better than X |
| 05:11:38 | lurgyman | why should't you spend the next century stuffed with truffles? |
| 05:11:50 | scanline | why not indeed... |
| 05:12:00 | lurgyman | they go towards embedding mental detectors in our kids |
| 05:12:04 | captain_proton | i won! now i don't have to work on this finger-cutting machine no more |
| 05:12:27 | lurgyman | i want sadi hawkins' day |
| 05:14:28 | captain_proton | its high noon daylight slavery time |
| 05:16:26 | lurgyman | negatory |
| 05:19:10 | lurgyman | sometimes we own the 0's |
| 05:19:16 | lurgyman | hey! there's a ten in my soop |
| 05:19:25 | lurgyman | it's like being in a cloud of fresh pork |
| 05:19:39 | lurgyman | us plus.... |
| 05:19:42 | lurgyman | we own the idea |
| 05:19:43 | lurgyman | of the idea |
| 05:19:45 | lurgyman | of america |
| 05:24:45 | lurgyman | SHMOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
| 05:24:51 | lurgyman | bad calc homewurk |
| 05:25:06 | captain_proton | smeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 05:25:21 | lurgyman | smeueuueeurrrrrrrr heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 05:25:31 | captain_proton | crimineul! |
| 05:26:22 | lurgyman | you mean, criminule |
| 05:27:06 | lurgyman | spelling, proton. it's all abowt spelling. |
| 05:28:09 | captain_proton | zaps lurgyman with a candle |
| 05:28:35 | lurgyman | shmooooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 05:28:48 | lurgyman | don't make me break your communicator |
| 05:28:54 | lurgyman | your triangular communicator |
| 05:29:27 | captain_proton | zen will outsmart you |
| 05:29:29 | captain_proton | right |
| 05:29:43 | lurgyman | left |
| 05:29:48 | captain_proton | pork |
| 05:29:58 | lurgyman | us plus. we own the idea of america. |
| 05:31:24 | lurgyman | bye golly |
| 05:31:28 | captain_proton | humility tastes better than...being conceited, and not having a well rounded personality |
| 05:31:30 | captain_proton | lick a boot |
| 05:32:13 | lurgyman | the polish of life comes off. the taste remains the same. the tongue can never be told a lie |
| 05:34:43 | scanline | hi laodamas |
| 05:34:51 | laodamas | hello scanline |
| 05:34:54 | scanline | laodamas, meet captain_proton |
| 05:34:56 | scanline | captain_proton, meet laodamas |
| 05:35:03 | captain_proton | oh my, another |
| 05:35:07 | scanline | indeed! |
| 05:35:07 | laodamas | waves |
| 05:35:18 | scanline | this channel will soon be full of colorado.edu IPs! |
| 05:35:46 | captain_proton | everyday i recieve hundreds of letters, but i'm going to read this one, because its not a bill. |
| 05:37:11 | lurgyman | perky classroom films presents: exorcism in your daily life |
| 05:37:24 | captain_proton | dear doctor X ... my husband's job as a bus stop has been such a strain that we're no longer intimate together |
| 05:37:39 | captain_proton | bwahahaha, scared him away |
| 05:38:03 | lurgyman | your mom and i learned long before you were born the real importance it has in all our lives. |
| 05:38:29 | lurgyman | that's what makes merleyville the town it is today. |
| 05:38:46 | scanline | Break into jail and claim police brutality. |
| 05:38:52 | scanline | You will be a winner today. Pick a fight with a four-year-old. |
| 05:38:58 | scanline | The naked truth of it is, I have no shirt. |
| 05:39:04 | scanline | You'll be called to a post requiring ability in handling groups of people. |
| 05:39:24 | lurgyman | (with gloves) |
| 05:39:37 | scanline | Someone is speaking well of you. |
| 05:39:39 | captain_proton | homework is getting very difficult in this room |
| 05:39:48 | scanline | Don't tell any big lies today. Small ones can be just as effective. |
| 05:39:53 | laodamas | http://www.stanford.edu/~ibrahim/jokes/ee.html >:) |
| 05:39:59 | scanline | Don't look now, but there is a multi-legged creature on your shoulder. |
| 05:40:13 | captain_proton | look, a distraction! |
| 05:40:15 | captain_proton | runs off |
| 05:40:52 | scanline | Write yourself a threatening letter and pen a defiant reply. |
| 05:41:24 | lurgyman | never! you bastard! |
| 05:41:34 | lurgyman | owch! splat! kerplang! |
| 05:41:36 | laodamas | How about computing a vector to my base address? I'll output a byte to eat, and maybe we could get offset later on. |
| 05:41:47 | lurgyman | (no thanks) |
| 05:41:59 | captain_proton | exorcise him... |
| 05:42:08 | lurgyman | grumble grumble |
| 05:42:18 | captain_proton | so very disjunct... |
| 05:42:22 | scanline | computes a vector of pointers of vectors to queues of stacks of trees of... |
| 05:43:12 | captain_proton | hello kenny and your dad! whats troubling you, you don't look at all well. want an upper? |
| 05:43:25 | lurgyman | maybe the president of the armenian medical association can help you |
| 05:44:35 | scanline | captain_proton: you've taken algorithms eh? |
| 05:45:03 | scanline | captain_proton: do they really want us to print out the assignments instead of emailing, or is that a joke put there to scare off potential graders? |
| 05:45:10 | lurgyman | right out of /usr/include/g++-3/std |
| 05:45:15 | lurgyman | that's where he got them |
| 05:45:28 | captain_proton | really print them out |
| 05:45:33 | scanline | ugh |
| 05:45:33 | scanline | that's evil |
| 05:45:49 | scanline | do they bother typing them in, or just grade based on whether it looks good? |
| 05:46:00 | captain_proton | you include your output |
| 05:46:00 | laodamas | OCR |
| 05:46:08 | scanline | nods |
| 05:46:16 | scanline | but they have no way to verify the output, or try different input |
| 05:46:17 | scanline | that's just dumb |
| 05:46:20 | captain_proton | its normally pretty easy to see if you've implemented the algorithm correctly just looking at the code |
| 05:46:29 | captain_proton | fenway, your kids a drop-in |
| 05:46:41 | laodamas | Depends on who's code it is... |
| 05:46:51 | captain_proton | if your code is messy you get a bad grade |
| 05:46:53 | captain_proton | simple solution |
| 05:47:04 | scanline | laodamas: have you seen my obfuscated C? my homework is nothing like it :) |
| 05:47:48 | MrApathyCream | d46 on noodleroni |
| 05:48:32 | captain_proton | oooh |
| 05:51:41 | laodamas | hates casual differential linear time involution systems |
| 05:53:18 | captain_proton | ugh, gametime too short |
| 05:53:30 | captain_proton | guess what time it is: ANCHOVY TIME! |
| 05:54:11 | lurgyman | woof |
| 05:54:21 | captain_proton | nancy! |
| 05:54:27 | lurgyman | where? |
| 05:54:38 | captain_proton | you mean....betty joe biolosky? |
| 05:54:50 | laodamas | susan underhill? |
| 05:54:53 | lurgyman | you mean... nancy! |
| 05:55:07 | lurgyman | it's time to play spin the pickle |
| 05:56:01 | laodamas | Whats with all this Brouhaha? |
| 05:56:20 | captain_proton | we're... |
| 05:56:32 | lurgyman | Brouhaha? |
| 05:56:37 | lurgyman | ha ha |
| 05:56:41 | laodamas | hahah |
| 05:56:41 | captain_proton | this train is bound for glory! |
| 05:56:44 | lurgyman | ha ha ha |
| 05:57:12 | laodamas | brought to you by the dept. of redundency dept. |
| 05:57:28 | lurgyman | yay! |
| 05:57:34 | lurgyman | so, how 'bout them cardboard socks? |
| 05:57:39 | captain_proton | at fourth and drucker he turns left |
| 05:57:44 | captain_proton | at drucker and fourth he turns right |
| 05:57:57 | laodamas | ow my nose! |
| 05:58:09 | lurgyman | america's only detective |
| 05:58:31 | laodamas | hello? i'd like a pizza to go and no anchovies. |
| 05:58:42 | captain_proton | uncle bills anchovy eyes! |
| 05:59:15 | lurgyman | sorry, we're out of no anchovies |
| 05:59:38 | laodamas | I should have never trusted a multiple schizophrenic |
| 06:00:17 | lurgyman | no, i'm only a double skitsofrenik |
| 06:01:10 | laodamas | Then it hit me: I needed a script |
| 06:01:52 | lurgyman | owch |
| 06:03:55 | scanline | anchovies under the foglamp of duress... |
| 06:04:00 | lurgyman | doo bee doo bee doo honk honk schimina bork bork |
| 06:04:20 | scanline | this has got to be firesign |
| 06:04:25 | scanline | it's so.. bizarre! |
| 06:04:28 | lurgyman | hurty flurty schnip schnip |
| 06:04:55 | captain_proton | so was I - me too! |
| 06:06:05 | lurgyman | scransens... |
| 06:06:16 | laodamas | You broke the president! |
| 06:06:22 | lurgyman | crunch |
| 06:06:32 | lurgyman | byoirk |
| 06:07:04 | lurgyman | what time is it? |
| 06:07:14 | lurgyman | hang on, i've got it written down on a piece of paper |
| 06:07:20 | lurgyman | it's 8:00 |
| 06:07:34 | lurgyman | wait a minute... |
| 06:08:14 | lurgyman | that piece of paper stopped ticking! |
| 06:08:19 | lurgyman | it must be slow |
| 06:09:09 | lurgyman | supposing it isn't 8:00 any more? |
| 06:09:26 | lurgyman | but it is 8:00 |
| 06:09:28 | lurgyman | how do you know? |
| 06:09:35 | lurgyman | i have it written down on a piece of paper |
| 06:09:42 | lurgyman | wow |
| 06:09:52 | lurgyman | i wish i could afford a piece of paper with the time written down on it |
| 06:10:27 | lurgyman | instead, i've got one of them things that wakes you up in the morning, makes a cup of tea and fries some eggs |
| 06:10:34 | lurgyman | an alarm clock? |
| 06:10:38 | lurgyman | no, a grandma |
| 06:10:58 | lurgyman | ------------------------------------------------------- |
| 06:12:43 | lurgyman | (when too many people know firesign, i have to go back further and get stranger, more obscure references) |
| 06:13:18 | scanline | I don't know much firesign, but it's easy to pick up the style... |
| 06:13:50 | laodamas | Deputy Dan no le ayuda chicos sigue los calles |
| 06:14:05 | lurgyman | oui, j'aime les cacahuettes |
| 06:14:23 | lurgyman | tout le mond est une grande chapeau |
| 06:14:35 | lurgyman | oops, that was wrong: |
| 06:14:43 | scanline | ugh.. slashdot sucks, OSNews is starting to suck.. what's left? |
| 06:14:52 | lurgyman | toute la monde est une grand chapeau |
| 06:14:53 | laodamas | ars |
| 06:15:08 | lurgyman | www.llamas.org |
| 06:15:39 | scanline | lurgyman: amazing... |
| 06:15:55 | laodamas | give me them or I'm going over there! |
| 06:16:21 | captain_proton | big brother corporation is watching YOU! |
| 06:16:58 | laodamas | bb doubleplusgood! |
| 06:17:00 | scanline | laodamas: the problem is that OSNews is almost exactly the subject matter I'm interested in, but it seems to have degenerated into every thread being either "X sucks" or "OpenBeOS will rule the world some day"... |
| 06:17:21 | scanline | I hate it when people spout off "X sucks" nonsense when they have absolutely no idea how X works |
| 06:17:33 | captain_proton | i know how X works |
| 06:17:35 | captain_proton | X sucks :) |
| 06:17:39 | laodamas | scanline: oh. |
| 06:17:40 | scanline | captain_proton: that's a bit better :P |
| 06:17:58 | lurgyman | hurty flurty schnip schnip |
| 06:18:32 | lurgyman | * foobar |
| 06:18:35 | scanline | captain_proton: X needs a more modern rendering and font system, and the API is a mess... but people usually criticize it for all the wrong reasons, like the fact that there are multiple widget toolkits, or that it's client/server |
| 06:18:36 | lurgyman | *yonk |
| 06:18:53 | captain_proton | well they've fixed the font bit |
| 06:18:58 | scanline | true |
| 06:19:03 | scanline | just need to get everybody to use it |
| 06:19:07 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 06:19:27 | scanline | has exactly zero antialiased fonts on his desktop, because he just doesn't care that much :) |
| 06:19:35 | captain_proton | haha |
| 06:19:48 | lurgyman | i think sleep would be good starting 'round now, considering some of us have 9:00 AM aural skills courses\ |
| 06:19:52 | lurgyman | :)) |
| 06:19:58 | captain_proton | ooh tough tough |
| 06:20:06 | lurgyman | chirp |
| 06:20:18 | lurgyman | chirp |
| 06:20:19 | lurgyman | kablooie |
| 06:25:36 | lurgyman | snip snip floing |
| 07:01:43 | bomber | moin |
| 07:07:01 | sussudio | guten |
| 07:10:10 | sussudio | anyone want to try sussudio.dyndns.org:5155? |
| 07:12:11 | sussudio | gah |
| 07:14:41 | captain_proton | yay for screen |
| 07:14:54 | sussudio | hmmk |
| 07:16:13 | sussudio | fickle teleporters |
| 07:28:55 | captain_proton | sleeptime |
| 07:30:09 | sussudio | teatime |
| 08:28:45 | | [TeA] was last seen on #bzflag 3 days, 17 hours, 45 minutes and 41 seconds ago, saying: hmm [Sat Sep 7 15:43:04 2002] |
| 08:28:45 | Pinguin | ibot seen [TeA] |
| 08:30:01 | bomber | hi pingi |
| 08:30:55 | bomber | Pinguin |
| 08:31:11 | Pinguin | hallölle |
| 08:32:29 | sussudio | anyone want to try sussudio.dyndns.org:5155? |
| 08:34:32 | sussudio | bzfquerylong sussudio.dyndns.org 5155 |
| 08:34:33 | bzbot | sussudio (r): 0 (0-0). |
| 08:43:59 | sussudio | nevermind |
| 09:22:23 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 09:22:23 | bomber | ibot: ducati? |
| 09:22:23 | bzbot | prodan (penguins) (G): 2 (29-27). intrix (the elite) (R): -12 (44-56). |
| 09:28:01 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 09:28:01 | bomber | ibot: ducati? |
| 09:28:02 | bzbot | Server is empty |
| 09:30:12 | bomber | is away: I'm busy |
| 10:05:59 | bomber | is back (gone 00:35:46) |
| 10:06:13 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 10:06:13 | bomber | ibot: ducati? |
| 10:06:14 | bzbot | Yeti (R): -12 (30-42). rm -r (G): 2 (38-36). Quol (R): 11 (22-11). MW (G): -2 (3-5). strayer[testrun] (G): 7 (19-12). prodan (penguins) (R): -1 (6-7). |
| 10:55:19 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 10:55:19 | bomber | ibot: ducati? |
| 10:55:20 | bzbot | KILLAH (G): -11 (26-37). TankKiller (R): -4 (0-4). anaconda (R): 4 (23-19). Roadkill (G): 19 (26-7). xabbu (G): -15 (52-67). Metal Magic The Ace Of Aces (R): -6 (5-11). |
| 11:05:29 | Pinguin | Bomber ... hast Du nix zu tun oder was? |
| 11:06:05 | bomber | was? |
| 11:06:18 | | i heard Pinguin was hating ibot |
| 11:06:18 | bomber | ibot: Pinguin |
| 11:06:57 | Pinguin | :-) |
| 11:09:12 | | bomber is experimenting with meshing algorithms (triangels) for bots!!! |
| 11:09:12 | Pinguin | ibot: bomber? |
| 11:09:21 | | rumour has it bomber_ is simulating accelerators |
| 11:09:21 | Pinguin | ibot: bomber_? |
| 11:11:54 | strayer | ihr beiden habt gelitten ;p |
| 11:12:46 | Pinguin | Strayer ??? |
| 11:13:19 | strayer | ja?...war nur so ne festellung....hehe |
| 11:13:46 | | very very sexyyy |
| 11:13:46 | Pinguin | ibot: strayer? |
| 11:13:51 | Pinguin | ????????? |
| 11:13:55 | strayer | cool |
| 11:14:07 | strayer | ist aber nett der bot |
| 11:14:12 | Pinguin | Wie zum Teufel hast Du ibot das verkaufen können? |
| 11:14:32 | strayer | da hat mandy ihren charme spielen lassen... |
| 11:14:42 | Pinguin | Hm ... |
| 11:14:51 | bomber | strayer hast du schon team endlich |
| 11:14:59 | strayer | nö... |
| 11:15:09 | bomber | warum de net |
| 11:15:12 | strayer | die nächsten 6 Wochen kann ich eh net zocken.... |
| 11:15:39 | strayer | bin zu faul mir n team zu suchen...bei 3en hab ichs schon versucht...nu hat mich die lust verlassen |
| 11:15:54 | bomber | hehe |
| 11:16:01 | bomber | bei welchen |
| 11:16:10 | bomber | bei penguins? |
| 11:16:13 | bomber | wahaaaa |
| 11:16:52 | bomber | unter deckname |
| 11:16:55 | strayer | nee....bisher mei moles (aber schon laaange her)...vitamin bz...und noch irgendwo |
| 11:17:22 | strayer | was meinst du mit 'unter deckname'? |
| 11:17:41 | bomber | naaaa musste ich paar rausschmeissen...wahaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 11:18:23 | strayer | ihr seid ja noch immer 7 |
| 11:18:35 | bomber | strayer..schon wieder 7 :o( |
| 11:18:41 | strayer | jo |
| 11:18:54 | bomber | tea macht grosse werbung |
| 11:19:29 | bomber | strayer was hast du da probiert in ducati? |
| 11:20:16 | strayer | ich hab an dem PC meiner Eltern gesessen und mit minimalen Graphikeinstellungen versucht zu spielen....weil der PC recht lahm ist... |
| 11:20:28 | strayer | is aber net so toll gewesen |
| 11:21:02 | | hmmm... Pinguin is hating ibot |
| 11:21:02 | bomber | ibot: Pinguin? |
| 11:21:09 | strayer | hehe |
| 11:21:10 | Pinguin | :-) |
| 11:21:23 | | bomber: wish i knew |
| 11:21:23 | bomber | ibot: noch immer? |
| 11:21:29 | bomber | :o) |
| 11:21:47 | strayer | dummer bot...kann nicht einmal deutsch...lol |
| 11:21:59 | | ...but bomber is experimenting with meshing algorithms (triangels) for bots!!!... |
| 11:21:59 | Pinguin | ibot: bomber is playing too often BZFLAG! |
| 11:22:03 | | bugger all, i dunno, bomber |
| 11:22:03 | bomber | ibot: deutsch? |
| 11:22:14 | Pinguin | no, bomber is playing too often BZFLAG! |
| 11:22:21 | | ...but bomber is experimenting with meshing algorithms (triangels) for bots!!!... |
| 11:22:21 | Pinguin | ibot: no, bomber is playing too often BZFLAG! |
| 11:22:28 | Pinguin | Hm ... |
| 11:22:40 | | doughecka: I forgot bomber |
| 11:22:40 | doughecka | ibot forget bomber |
| 11:22:45 | strayer | Pinguin: was versuchst du denn? |
| 11:23:10 | Pinguin | Öhöm ... nix ... |
| 11:23:12 | | i don't know, bomber |
| 11:23:12 | bomber | ibot: german? |
| 11:23:17 | bomber | i see |
| 11:23:19 | bomber | :o) |
| 11:23:20 | | i don't know, pinguin |
| 11:23:20 | Pinguin | ibot: translate? |
| 11:23:29 | doughecka | ibot x en de hello |
| 11:23:31 | | doughecka: hallo |
| 11:23:38 | doughecka | ibot x de en hallo |
| 11:23:39 | | doughecka: hello |
| 11:23:49 | doughecka | grins |
| 11:23:51 | strayer | hehe |
| 11:23:56 | Pinguin | ibot x es en puta |
| 11:23:56 | bomber | hehe |
| 11:23:57 | | Pinguin: puta |
| 11:24:03 | Pinguin | Hm ... |
| 11:24:09 | bomber | haha |
| 11:24:17 | | strayer: excuse me? |
| 11:24:17 | strayer | ibot doesnt know everything |
| 11:24:19 | doughecka | ibot x de en was versuchst du denn? |
| 11:24:24 | | doughecka: what do you try? |
| 11:24:27 | doughecka | ah |
| 11:24:38 | strayer | jep.... ;) |
| 11:24:39 | Pinguin | ibot x en es hello |
| 11:24:40 | | Pinguin: hola |
| 11:24:41 | doughecka | we need ibot to translate all trafiic in the channle to ingilsh |
| 11:24:49 | Pinguin | Aha! Espnol ... |
| 11:25:08 | doughecka | ibot x en de I hope your happy |
| 11:25:10 | | doughecka: Ich hoffe Ihr glückliches |
| 11:25:15 | doughecka | woah |
| 11:25:17 | Pinguin | ibot x es en cabron |
| 11:25:21 | | Pinguin: cabron |
| 11:25:25 | Pinguin | hm ... |
| 11:25:30 | | bomber: excuse me? |
| 11:25:30 | bomber | ibot x en sk hello |
| 11:25:33 | bomber | nhaha |
| 11:25:47 | | doughecka: huh? |
| 11:25:47 | doughecka | ibot x de en |
| 11:25:49 | strayer | doughecka: the word should be: glücklich |
| 11:25:53 | doughecka | ah |
| 11:26:19 | Chestal | hmm, ibot usign UTF-8? |
| 11:26:31 | doughecka | ibot x de en trayer was hast du da probiert in ducati? [08:26] <strayer> ich hab an dem PC meiner Eltern gesessen und mit minimalen Graphikeinstellungen versucht zu spielen....weil der PC recht lahm ist... [08:26] <strayer> is aber net so toll gewesen |
| 11:26:32 | | doughecka: more trayer which you have the tried in ducati? [ 08:26 ] |
| 11:26:41 | doughecka | hmm |
| 11:26:44 | strayer | enough now....have to work......bye |
| 11:26:48 | doughecka | k |
| 11:26:50 | bomber | haha |
| 11:26:53 | bomber | nbye |
| 11:27:24 | doughecka | hmmm |
| 11:27:44 | doughecka | needs to learn his german |
| 11:27:48 | doughecka | :) |
| 11:28:13 | doughecka | ibot x en de good |
| 11:28:14 | | doughecka: gut |
| 11:28:19 | doughecka | ah yes |
| 11:28:27 | doughecka | all I know is das ist gut |
| 11:28:30 | doughecka | ;) |
| 11:29:24 | doughecka | needs to reinstall windows sometime soon |
| 11:29:25 | doughecka | ;) |
| 11:29:28 | doughecka | :( |
| 11:29:41 | doughecka | tsk, my keyboards buttons are messed up |
| 11:29:56 | doughecka | ` = 9 1 = 8 |
| 11:29:58 | doughecka | lol |
| 11:30:17 | doughecka | wonders away |
| 11:30:51 | | bomber: no idea |
| 11:30:51 | bomber | ibot: doughecka? |
| 11:31:49 | bomber | is away: coffee |
| 11:52:51 | bomber | is back (gone 00:21:02) |
| 11:54:14 | doughecka | is away: breakfast |
| 12:07:11 | Widget | hihihi |
| 12:12:35 | Widget | This Saturday is the Last Night of the Proms! And this year, they're playing Rule, Britannia again. |
| 12:12:45 | Widget | http://www.bbc.co.uk/proms/ |
| 12:12:58 | Chestal | this reminds me of the Ultima series |
| 12:13:03 | Chestal | Lord British |
| 12:13:48 | Widget | Lord British? |
| 12:14:14 | Widget | Oh, Ultima Underworld II? |
| 12:14:37 | Widget | Hehe. :) |
| 12:14:46 | Chestal | that's just a spinoff |
| 12:15:04 | Widget | Last year they didn't play "Rule, Britannia" after Sept. 11... the programme was changed. |
| 12:16:20 | Widget | "Dick Garriot"? |
| 12:17:42 | Chestal | well, yes, Richard |
| 12:18:23 | Widget | reads the Everything2 node. |
| 12:25:26 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 12:25:26 | bomber | ibot: ducati? |
| 12:25:26 | bzbot | prodan (penguins) (R): 0 (2-2). |
| 12:25:44 | | Pinguin is hating ibot |
| 12:25:44 | bomber | ibot: Pinguin |
| 12:32:53 | | Pinguin: i'm not following you... |
| 12:32:53 | Pinguin | ibot: bomber |
| 12:33:13 | Pinguin | YES! |
| 12:45:26 | Widget | sussudio: hihihi |
| 12:47:47 | sussudio | lo |
| 12:47:58 | sussudio | anyone want to have a go at sussudio.dyndns.org:5155? |
| 12:48:06 | sussudio | its not in the list |
| 12:55:39 | sussudio | hm maybe my map is a bit busy i guess |
| 12:56:21 | Pinguin | I went out as someone entered my office ... its not too professional playing during working hours ... F12 the boss key ... |
| 12:56:57 | doug_school | lol |
| 12:57:35 | bomber | Pinguin: really? |
| 12:57:39 | bomber | :o) |
| 12:57:53 | Chestal | someone for ducati 5155 for a quick game? |
| 12:58:01 | Pinguin | He bomber ... you are not working at all i guess |
| 12:58:07 | Pinguin | Take bombver! |
| 12:58:13 | bomber | bombver? |
| 12:58:17 | bomber | :o) |
| 12:58:20 | Pinguin | Upsala |
| 12:58:25 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 12:58:25 | bomber | ibot: ducati? |
| 12:58:25 | bzbot | Newbie-PleaseTreatGently (R): -1 (2-3). fred (R): 0 (0-0). zimbo (G): -12 (30-42). StuKazz (G): 0 (0-0). prodan (penguins) (R): 6 (17-11). |
| 12:58:33 | Chestal | btw., do the new penguins care for a match against the Moles someday? |
| 12:58:41 | Widget | New penguins? |
| 12:58:52 | Chestal | well, new team member(s) |
| 12:59:02 | bomber | i guess only tea |
| 12:59:03 | Pinguin | ??? new penguins? |
| 12:59:11 | Pinguin | Match? Yes ... fo course ... |
| 12:59:23 | bomber | because other members are newbies |
| 12:59:40 | bomber | ok...ducati? |
| 13:00:04 | Chestal | match must be in the evening for us I think |
| 13:00:11 | Chestal | but I'd plike to play on ducati 5155 for a few minutes |
| 13:03:51 | bomber | ach soo 5155 |
| 13:03:57 | Chestal | jo |
| 13:04:51 | doug_school | jo? |
| 13:05:06 | Widget | ja |
| 13:05:20 | doug_school | lol |
| 13:05:28 | sussudio | oui? |
| 13:06:09 | Widget | Sí. |
| 13:14:35 | sussudio | houdt astublieft uw hoofd niet uit het raampje als de trein rijdt. |
| 13:14:43 | doug_school | hmmm |
| 13:16:24 | sussudio | it's sound advice |
| 13:17:27 | doug_school | I see |
| 13:18:09 | Widget | Wjay dpes astublieft mean? |
| 13:18:12 | Widget | Or raampje? |
| 13:19:34 | sussudio | tsk |
| 13:19:40 | doug_school | tsk |
| 13:20:24 | sussudio | hm there's no dutch on babelfish |
| 13:20:26 | sussudio | BAD FISH |
| 13:20:59 | doug_school | haha |
| 13:21:08 | sussudio | ok... guess i'll have to use the sussfish..... |
| 13:21:31 | sussudio | "please do not put your head outside the window while the train is moving" |
| 13:21:38 | doug_school | hahahaha |
| 13:22:28 | Widget | Oh, raampje is windows? |
| 13:22:52 | sussudio | yes |
| 13:31:42 | gonkulator{work} | is away: I'm busy |
| 13:31:47 | gonkulator{work} | is back (gone 00:00:02) |
| 13:38:58 | bomber | bye Pinguin |
| 13:52:10 | gonkulator{work} | is away: working |
| 13:59:10 | metal_magic | hello |
| 13:59:22 | metal_magic | anyone wants to play on ducati now? |
| 14:00:14 | Widget | hihihi |
| 14:00:26 | metal_magic | hi |
| 14:00:33 | doug_school | hohoho |
| 14:00:43 | metal_magic | hahaha :-) |
| 14:00:53 | doug_school | hehe |
| 14:00:59 | metal_magic | huhuhu |
| 14:01:00 | Widget | How is doug_school speaking from school? |
| 14:01:26 | doug_school | laptop |
| 14:01:53 | Widget | Wireless modem? |
| 14:01:57 | doug_school | wireless |
| 14:02:01 | doug_school | network |
| 14:02:02 | doug_school | at hiome |
| 14:02:10 | doug_school | home* |
| 14:02:16 | Widget | Oh. |
| 14:02:42 | doug_school | I AM at school |
| 14:03:13 | sussudio | hah wireless. you pussy. a real geek uses several hundred meters of cat5. |
| 14:03:46 | doug_school | haha |
| 14:04:25 | Widget | sussudio has a new ISP. |
| 14:04:39 | sussudio | tries to figure out compaq's logic of making a monitor with a 10cm powercord and a 2 meter vga cable |
| 14:04:45 | sussudio | no i dont have a new isp.... |
| 14:04:55 | sussudio | they just changed the dns entries |
| 14:05:11 | sussudio | probably because they're known for being the second worst isp in the country |
| 14:05:24 | Widget | Wanadoo? |
| 14:05:29 | sussudio | casema |
| 14:06:31 | sussudio | i think they got like 3.5 out of 10 |
| 14:06:40 | sussudio | some small isp in the middle of nowhere got a 2.5 |
| 14:07:12 | Widget | Where are these rankings? |
| 14:07:45 | sussudio | err forgot....... maybe nlip or some magazine |
| 14:07:53 | sussudio | cistron was voted best |
| 14:08:19 | Widget | Voted? |
| 14:08:27 | Widget | This was based on customer approval? |
| 14:08:30 | sussudio | by users and by speed/service |
| 14:08:35 | Widget | Ah. |
| 14:08:47 | sussudio | both users and speed/service/helpdesk tests |
| 14:09:39 | paul | sussudio: cistron still going? |
| 14:09:41 | Widget | I suppose Cistron is more expensive? Or not available in your area? |
| 14:09:59 | paul | remembers when he visited cistron's "office" in Alphen |
| 14:10:04 | paul | many years ago.. |
| 14:10:13 | Widget | paul isn't paulj@hibernia.clubi.ie anymore either! |
| 14:10:19 | sussudio | well cistron was forced out of business by KPN, our national monopoly on phonelines |
| 14:10:23 | sussudio | it's back in a different form |
| 14:10:24 | paul | it was the top floor of a house, with one room full of modems and servers :) |
| 14:10:36 | paul | sussudio: that;s kind of ironic... |
| 14:10:56 | paul | sussudio: cause cistron did consulting in the early days.. |
| 14:11:07 | sussudio | paul: cistron had a deal with KPN concerning ADSL supply and KPN decided to charge more |
| 14:11:16 | paul | sussudio: and cistron helped KPN to some degree in setting up their internet operation. |
| 14:11:33 | paul | anyway.. |
| 14:11:37 | paul | cistron are /way cool/ |
| 14:11:51 | sussudio | yeah their name pops up in linux stuff a lot |
| 14:12:01 | paul | Danny ter Haar, Miquel van Smoorenberg, etc.. |
| 14:12:11 | paul | cistron was where i first saw linux :) |
| 14:12:15 | paul | (back in 95) |
| 14:12:23 | paul | i went for an interview.. |
| 14:12:34 | Widget | Is KPN as bad as BT? |
| 14:12:40 | paul | and danny told me to go the office at 9 o'clock |
| 14:12:46 | sussudio | no they're way worse |
| 14:13:12 | paul | 9 in the evening! the rest of the staff showed up at 2200 :) |
| 14:14:29 | sussudio | yeah... light hurts the pale skinned |
| 14:14:38 | paul | Widget: i am work - hibernia.clubi.ie is my home computer. |
| 14:15:23 | paul | sussudio: unfortunately i was a dumb student and stuffed up the interview so no summer with cistron for me :( |
| 14:15:41 | Widget | Ah. |
| 14:15:47 | Widget | sussudio: What does KPN stand for? |
| 14:15:49 | sussudio | ohwell |
| 14:15:50 | paul | summer job that is. |
| 14:16:05 | sussudio | KPN is a crime against the rules of the dutch language..... |
| 14:16:08 | paul | Koningenlijke Post Nederland |
| 14:16:15 | sussudio | an abbreviation of an abbreviation |
| 14:16:22 | paul | is the koningenlijke spelt correctly sussiodio? |
| 14:16:22 | sussudio | no |
| 14:16:28 | paul | Widget: royal dutch post |
| 14:16:33 | sussudio | Koninklijke PTT Nederland |
| 14:16:38 | sussudio | where PTT is another abbr. |
| 14:16:43 | paul | sussudio: sure? |
| 14:16:48 | sussudio | yes |
| 14:16:50 | paul | k |
| 14:16:54 | sussudio | PTT = post telefonie telegrafie |
| 14:16:57 | paul | indeed. |
| 14:17:23 | paul | was it not just "Post" in the beginning? PTT is a very new term... (at least in the history of post companies) |
| 14:17:53 | sussudio | they pulled another rabbit out of their hat in an attempt to revive their stock prices. charge customers in advance |
| 14:18:03 | paul | oh dear.. |
| 14:18:03 | sussudio | it's a one off thing that's just going to piss us off more |
| 14:18:33 | Widget | Are they government owned? |
| 14:18:39 | sussudio | partly |
| 14:18:46 | sussudio | they were privatized. |
| 14:18:47 | paul | they were, i think they're mostly private now. |
| 14:18:50 | sussudio | by EEEEEEEEDIIIIOTS |
| 14:18:55 | paul | nee.. |
| 14:19:09 | Widget | Oh, so it's just like BT! They're privatised, but they're still a minopoly. |
| 14:19:15 | sussudio | yup |
| 14:19:16 | paul | it's a good idea - the problem though is making a state monopoly private and then not ensuring they have competition |
| 14:19:33 | Widget | Cause they own all the phone lines and stuff. |
| 14:19:43 | sussudio | yup... phone lines we paid for |
| 14:19:46 | sussudio | same with cable |
| 14:20:05 | Widget | BT's only cable service is *horrible*. |
| 14:20:18 | paul | according to EU legislation, local loop access is "free" for all - or at least each country must set a fixed price that the incumbent must offer to all for access. |
| 14:20:19 | Widget | Well, maybe they've improved now. |
| 14:20:21 | Widget | Openworld. |
| 14:20:25 | paul | EU directive, sorry. |
| 14:20:57 | paul | sussudio: IBG in groningen are even better than KPN though, imo. |
| 14:21:05 | Widget | BRB |
| 14:21:22 | sussudio | dont know about ibg |
| 14:21:31 | paul | i /still/ get letters from them demanding money that i dont and never have owed to them. |
| 14:21:36 | paul | informatie beheer group. |
| 14:21:44 | sussudio | oh.. the FUCKERS |
| 14:21:46 | paul | lesgeld, etc.. |
| 14:21:58 | sussudio | student loans.... |
| 14:22:00 | sussudio | sharks.... |
| 14:22:09 | sussudio | yeah they tried that crap on me |
| 14:22:09 | paul | i got one summers worth of the basic allowance from them. |
| 14:22:26 | paul | then i left school in september. (one month of school) |
| 14:22:35 | sussudio | i had to convice them i hadnt actually EVER got any money from them in the first place |
| 14:22:37 | paul | but my parents still had to pay the /full/ year of lesgeld. |
| 14:22:58 | paul | then they started demanding i pay back the money. |
| 14:23:16 | paul | we paid their first demand, which was for the month of august. |
| 14:23:22 | paul | then they demanded the rest of the months too. |
| 14:23:30 | paul | ie may to june |
| 14:23:37 | paul | then they demanded more and more. |
| 14:23:46 | paul | i was gettign baillif's letters! |
| 14:24:00 | paul | we've paid IBG far more than they have ever given me! |
| 14:24:00 | sussudio | yeah theyre good at that |
| 14:24:13 | paul | next thing they did was they said i had never been eligible. |
| 14:24:21 | paul | and they told the OV-Kaart people this. |
| 14:24:48 | paul | so then i got a letter from them demanding money cause i shouldnt have had an OV kaart -> Fl1600!! |
| 14:25:20 | paul | then we got more letters from IBG. every time demanding a different amount for a different reason. |
| 14:25:24 | paul | so we just gave up. |
| 14:25:28 | paul | ignored their letters. |
| 14:25:39 | paul | havnt heard from them for a year now. |
| 14:25:58 | paul | but i'm afraid of what'll happen if i ever try to live in NL again. |
| 14:26:27 | sussudio | bomb groningen |
| 14:26:32 | paul | agreed. |
| 14:26:38 | paul | absolute wankers. |
| 14:26:49 | metal_magic | cu |
| 14:27:02 | paul | did you ever get money from them? you must have... |
| 14:27:09 | paul | how else can they ask for money back? :) |
| 14:27:37 | sussudio | nope... they figured since i had been eligable for a loan i must have had it |
| 14:27:50 | paul | they're con artists. |
| 14:27:55 | sussudio | yup |
| 14:28:02 | paul | they send letters first, and if you pay, great. |
| 14:28:19 | paul | if you dont, well, *you* have to *prove* you dont owe money. |
| 14:29:03 | paul | sussudio: where do you live in NL? |
| 14:29:15 | sussudio | dh |
| 14:29:21 | paul | ah nice. |
| 14:29:59 | paul | ik was eerst in naarden, later in ter aar vlakbij alphen a/d rijn |
| 14:32:22 | sussudio | i hate it when they dont announce tv programmes. |
| 14:32:36 | sussudio | theyve been rerunning shit for months now..... |
| 14:33:06 | paul | that's what teletext is for. :) NOS even have their teletext on the internet iirc. |
| 14:33:08 | sussudio | now there's a new series of SG1 at 5pm and they didnt even bother to warn anyone that is isnt another rerun |
| 14:33:43 | paul | try Sky one - they're even worse. they dont even bother showing the reruns in order. |
| 14:34:36 | sussudio | cant get sky one here |
| 14:35:42 | Widget | We even get it here!! |
| 14:35:45 | paul | sussudio: its satellite so if you got a dish you could. |
| 14:36:09 | sussudio | no dish |
| 14:37:49 | paul | Widget: how come you know all about BT and openworld and the like? you're a kiwi.. |
| 14:46:56 | doug_school | hey |
| 14:52:12 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 14:52:12 | Pinguin | ibot: ducati? |
| 14:52:13 | bzbot | Metal Magic The Ace Of Aces (R): -2 (12-14). anaconda (G): -4 (8-12). fred (R): 0 (0-0). Golgo13 (G): 6 (9-3). |
| 15:07:07 | doug_school | hey patlabor221! |
| 15:12:43 | doug_school | Sound of Silence.... |
| 15:14:02 | sussudio | -|- (Simon_&_Garfunkel)_The_Sound_Of_Silence.mp3 (2,956,061 bytes 128kbps Joint Stereo 3mins 5secs Genre:Other |
| 15:14:24 | doug_school | yup |
| 15:14:31 | doug_school | do you have that song? |
| 15:14:38 | sussudio | err..... |
| 15:14:42 | sussudio | i just played it... |
| 15:14:42 | patlabor221 | hey |
| 15:14:46 | doug_school | hehe |
| 15:14:48 | sussudio | its kinda hard to play when you dont have it |
| 15:14:49 | doug_school | DCC? |
| 15:14:54 | doug_school | oh |
| 15:14:59 | sussudio | dcc? |
| 15:15:06 | doug_school | dcc. |
| 15:15:25 | doug_school | ;) |
| 15:16:20 | sussudio | bah 2 sync errors |
| 15:16:29 | sussudio | probably got it off napster |
| 15:16:33 | doug_school | yea |
| 15:16:48 | sussudio | ohwell at least its not xing encoded |
| 15:17:04 | doug_school | hmm |
| 15:17:09 | doug_school | I can send you a good one |
| 15:17:29 | sussudio | have one encoded with lame or ogg? |
| 15:17:50 | sussudio | ogg sounds good...... |
| 15:18:02 | sussudio | just a stupid name |
| 15:18:18 | jzaun | Hello all |
| 15:18:25 | sussudio | might as well have called it poop vorbis |
| 15:18:29 | sussudio | hi jz |
| 15:18:36 | doug_school | hmm |
| 15:18:39 | doug_school | its mp3 |
| 15:18:51 | jzaun | poop vorbis would imply it stinks though |
| 15:19:04 | sussudio | can anyone try sussudio.dyndns.org:5155 and tell me if their fps is good or bad? |
| 15:19:36 | sussudio | Pinguin said my map was really slow on his pc |
| 15:19:45 | doug_school | nope |
| 15:19:51 | doug_school | not on that computer |
| 15:20:01 | doug_school | sending the good mp3 |
| 15:20:26 | doug_school | sussudio: I am DCCing |
| 15:20:45 | sussudio | wha? |
| 15:20:58 | sussudio | err that'll screw up my server |
| 15:21:04 | doug_school | oh? |
| 15:21:09 | doug_school | in what way? |
| 15:27:11 | sussudio | you know, crap connection and stuff |
| 15:28:40 | doug_school | ah |
| 15:45:08 | scanline | is away: class |
| 15:46:46 | patlabor221 | ponders |
| 15:47:23 | doug_school | ? |
| 15:48:05 | patlabor221 | giant robots have easyer physics then tanks |
| 15:49:21 | sussudio | i guess i couldnt blame the lag on my own server |
| 15:49:52 | sussudio | maybe i should make a map with like 20 camperdomes |
| 15:50:44 | jzaun | sussudio: Last seen on Sep 11 2002 02:51PM (GMT) at games.astercity.net:5155. |
| 15:51:06 | jzaun | sussudio: go update your account information |
| 15:51:15 | jzaun | http://jzaun.com/bzflag2 |
| 15:51:19 | sussudio | account information? |
| 15:51:37 | sussudio | my server isnt listed |
| 15:51:41 | sussudio | or on at the moment |
| 15:52:09 | jzaun | yah... you didn't add the -public switch |
| 15:52:23 | jzaun | if it were we both would have had a lastseen on your server |
| 15:52:47 | sussudio | i'm on a cablemodem that's on a serial port..... |
| 15:52:47 | jzaun | but for account information, stuff like location name etc. |
| 15:52:52 | sussudio | its kinda slowish and laggy |
| 15:53:47 | patlabor221 | ick serial port !?!?! |
| 15:54:16 | sussudio | yup |
| 15:54:24 | sussudio | it's easy but sorta obsolete |
| 15:54:30 | sussudio | acts just like a modem |
| 15:54:32 | patlabor221 | how did you get suckerd into that deal? |
| 15:54:48 | sussudio | well, with local calls at $4 an hour... |
| 15:55:08 | patlabor221 | yea but tye didn't have an ehternet or USB one? |
| 15:55:25 | sussudio | nope......these things started in 96 i think |
| 15:55:31 | sussudio | used to be 38400 locked |
| 15:55:43 | doug_school | yuuuk |
| 15:55:46 | patlabor221 | sounds like ISDN |
| 15:55:55 | sussudio | well still better than a $400 phonebill |
| 15:56:03 | sussudio | ISDN is a lot faster and responsive |
| 15:56:11 | patlabor221 | no DSL there? |
| 15:56:28 | sussudio | just recently |
| 15:56:40 | sussudio | but they upped the price to about $65 a month |
| 15:56:43 | sussudio | for 512/128 |
| 15:57:16 | patlabor221 | ouch, I pay $49 a month for 1.5meg/128 |
| 15:57:22 | sussudio | :-P |
| 15:57:28 | doug_school | hehe |
| 15:58:06 | sussudio | you can get cistron dsl that's near that for like $200 |
| 15:58:29 | patlabor221 | I think you need to move |
| 15:58:38 | doug_school | quicklu |
| 15:58:44 | sussudio | yeah right. |
| 15:58:44 | doug_school | quickly even |
| 16:00:47 | sussudio | gets ham for da bread |
| 16:12:57 | doug_school | is away: lunch |
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| 16:14:46 | doughecka | ibot slashdot |
| 16:14:47 | doughecka | amazing, slashdot is dead |
| 16:14:52 | doughecka | is away: lunch |
| 16:15:57 | sussudio | hm? |
| 16:21:20 | [BZ]Ruudi | hi |
| 16:21:27 | sussudio | lo |
| 16:24:52 | [BZ]Ruudi | ruudi.dyn.ee anyone wanna comment whitch film to see first? |
| 16:24:57 | [BZ]Ruudi | it's ftp |
| 16:27:28 | sussudio | film?? |
| 16:38:54 | doughecka | tsk |
| 16:39:45 | patlabor221 | I am sick of tanks |
| 16:39:48 | doughecka | woah! |
| 16:39:54 | doughecka | http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,3973,525370,00.asp |
| 16:39:57 | doughecka | check it out patlabor221 |
| 16:40:18 | doughecka | 9.2 million pixels |
| 16:40:31 | doughecka | native resolution of 3840x2400 pixels |
| 16:40:48 | doughecka | only 8000 bucks |
| 16:41:11 | patlabor221 | now if they can only make it small enought to go in my glasses |
| 16:41:16 | doughecka | hehe |
| 16:41:25 | doughecka | now THAT would be cool |
| 16:41:59 | patlabor221 | but that would need like 400 ppi |
| 16:42:06 | doughecka | hmm |
| 16:42:12 | doughecka | yea |
| 16:44:08 | patlabor221 | this still does not change the fact that Iam sick of tanks |
| 16:44:22 | doughecka | why? |
| 16:44:24 | patlabor221 | they are too limiting |
| 16:44:29 | doughecka | oh |
| 16:45:00 | patlabor221 | jumping is about the largest strech you can make for them |
| 16:45:09 | doughecka | hehe |
| 16:45:15 | patlabor221 | anything else and it starts to get silly |
| 16:45:22 | doughecka | then make something diferent |
| 16:45:28 | doughecka | like a flight sim |
| 16:45:32 | patlabor221 | hence my ponderence |
| 16:45:40 | doughecka | a fighter plane sim |
| 16:45:59 | doughecka | a Slammer game or somethin.... |
| 16:46:04 | patlabor221 | slammer? |
| 16:46:26 | patlabor221 | can do CTF in a plane |
| 16:47:14 | patlabor221 | and no up close personal multiplayer |
| 16:48:18 | doug_school | hmm |
| 16:48:26 | doug_school | CTF in a plane? |
| 16:48:30 | doug_school | how? |
| 16:48:39 | doug_school | capture a base? |
| 16:48:43 | patlabor221 | sorry should have been can't |
| 16:48:51 | patlabor221 | not that's my thing you can't |
| 16:48:57 | doug_school | ? |
| 16:48:58 | patlabor221 | not with out geting stily again |
| 16:49:11 | doug_school | please use proper grammer |
| 16:49:25 | patlabor221 | sorry I mistyped |
| 16:49:34 | doug_school | speak like yoda you do hmmm |
| 16:49:41 | patlabor221 | a flight sim, is just that , too simmy |
| 16:49:46 | doug_school | ah |
| 16:49:49 | doug_school | hmm |
| 16:49:52 | doug_school | simmy |
| 16:50:27 | doug_school | new word.. ;) |
| 16:50:46 | patlabor221 | well it's ether that or simmie |
| 16:50:49 | patlabor221 | and that again is silly |
| 16:50:56 | doug_school | hmm, how about that slammers idea? |
| 16:50:58 | doug_school | its a book |
| 16:51:11 | doug_school | has really neat tanks in it |
| 16:51:13 | doug_school | hover tanks |
| 16:51:23 | patlabor221 | oh hammers slamers |
| 16:51:28 | doug_school | yyea |
| 16:51:29 | patlabor221 | still to limiting |
| 16:51:34 | doug_school | oh |
| 16:51:34 | patlabor221 | all 2d |
| 16:51:40 | doug_school | it is? |
| 16:51:50 | patlabor221 | I was going to do hover tanks anyway |
| 16:51:55 | doug_school | oh |
| 16:51:58 | doug_school | hmm |
| 16:52:23 | patlabor221 | it's just that the gameplay seems like it would allways just devolve into 2d mase running |
| 16:52:38 | patlabor221 | and geting them to aim up and down is probilimatic at best |
| 16:52:39 | doug_school | hehe |
| 16:52:46 | doug_school | mouse wheel? |
| 16:52:53 | patlabor221 | not just in interface |
| 16:52:58 | doug_school | oh |
| 16:53:01 | doug_school | yea |
| 16:53:06 | patlabor221 | having them not shoot through themseves |
| 16:53:12 | doug_school | hehe |
| 16:53:16 | patlabor221 | they could only shoot down a very small amount |
| 16:53:23 | patlabor221 | up is not an issue |
| 16:53:26 | doug_school | well, if they do, they blow up... |
| 16:53:31 | doug_school | ;) |
| 16:53:34 | doug_school | hmm |
| 16:53:37 | patlabor221 | but that would prevent players form going up in a 3d map |
| 16:53:42 | patlabor221 | as it would be a liability |
| 16:53:42 | doug_school | yea |
| 16:53:53 | doug_school | heh |
| 16:54:16 | patlabor221 | and I will not have movemnt run by the mouse, tha'ts just silly |
| 16:54:24 | doug_school | like bzflag? |
| 16:54:43 | doug_school | hmm, why not have movement by arrow keys, and aiming by mouse |
| 16:54:50 | doug_school | like a first person shooter |
| 16:54:57 | captain_proton | movement by the mouse is good :) |
| 16:55:04 | captain_proton | you can control every aspect of your speed |
| 16:55:21 | doug_school | yea, but you cant strafe |
| 16:56:18 | doug_school | hmm |
| 16:56:23 | doug_school | any other ideas? |
| 16:57:48 | doug_school | how about a first person shooter type game... |
| 16:58:27 | doug_school | exept the players would be very armored.... |
| 16:58:55 | doug_school | or better yet, make a space game... |
| 16:59:06 | doug_school | 3d space fighters... |
| 16:59:08 | doug_school | hmm |
| 16:59:14 | captain_proton | why the hell would a tank strafe? |
| 16:59:29 | doug_school | hammers slammers can strafe |
| 16:59:38 | doug_school | they hover, so it can |
| 17:00:09 | patlabor221 | cap that's why I am not liking the tanks |
| 17:00:11 | patlabor221 | too limiting |
| 17:00:18 | doug_school | hmm |
| 17:00:27 | patlabor221 | space games are intersting |
| 17:00:33 | doug_school | yea.. |
| 17:00:34 | patlabor221 | but you get a lot of welll space |
| 17:00:40 | doug_school | hehe |
| 17:00:52 | captain_proton | bwahahaha |
| 17:00:53 | doug_school | well, make it limated around a planet |
| 17:00:57 | captain_proton | jetstream will own your souls |
| 17:00:57 | patlabor221 | and the control becomes dificult becasue you have 3d motion |
| 17:01:15 | doug_school | and you can fly into the atmos phere and pound bases and stuff |
| 17:01:19 | doug_school | yea... |
| 17:01:22 | doug_school | mouse control... |
| 17:01:29 | doug_school | or joystick |
| 17:01:52 | doug_school | there is only a couple 3d space games that I know of, and most of them are boring |
| 17:01:55 | doug_school | and too hard to shoot |
| 17:01:59 | patlabor221 | exactly |
| 17:02:06 | captain_proton | thats why jetstream will own your soul |
| 17:02:06 | captain_proton | :) |
| 17:02:15 | Cell_prog_insect | oh god, my code envolves so phantastic |
| 17:02:18 | doug_school | but if you figured out how to make it easy to play, it would be nice |
| 17:02:29 | doug_school | riiight? |
| 17:02:40 | captain_proton | yay, trying a new kind of coffee |
| 17:02:52 | doug_school | like a star wars type game... |
| 17:03:09 | Cell_prog_insect | how would u transform a 3d vector with a homogenous matrix? |
| 17:03:31 | Cell_prog_insect | i mean not a 3d point just a vector |
| 17:03:32 | doug_school | stick it into a blender |
| 17:03:46 | doug_school | or a food processor |
| 17:03:54 | captain_proton | Cell_prog_insect: um, multiply them |
| 17:03:56 | patlabor221 | transfor norm |
| 17:04:00 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 17:04:26 | Cell_prog_insect | i just thought of not applaying the translation, since it makes no sense for vectors |
| 17:04:32 | doug_school | ok, how about a bzflag type game, but use something else for the tanks.... |
| 17:04:41 | doug_school | like giant robots or cyborgs... |
| 17:04:41 | patlabor221 | let me see what our transform norm stuff does |
| 17:04:59 | captain_proton | doug_school: boooring |
| 17:05:12 | captain_proton | the mechwarrior-type game is overdone |
| 17:05:16 | Cell_prog_insect | scaling a vector makes sense i think, rotating is natural |
| 17:05:16 | doug_school | hmm |
| 17:05:25 | patlabor221 | mech warior type things are to complex and too slow |
| 17:05:30 | doug_school | well |
| 17:05:36 | doug_school | dont use mech type things |
| 17:05:40 | doug_school | something diferent |
| 17:05:57 | patlabor221 | cell ready? |
| 17:06:00 | patlabor221 | trVertex3D *TransformNorm(trVertex3D *prNorm, const trMatrix *prMatrix) |
| 17:06:01 | patlabor221 | { |
| 17:06:01 | patlabor221 | // don't apply translation |
| 17:06:01 | patlabor221 | if (prMatrix->flags & XFORM_ROT) |
| 17:06:01 | patlabor221 | { |
| 17:06:01 | patlabor221 | float h = prNorm->x; |
| 17:06:03 | patlabor221 | float v = prNorm->y; |
| 17:06:05 | patlabor221 | prNorm->x = prMatrix->el[0][0] * h + prMatrix->el[0][1] * v + prMatrix->el[0][2] * prNorm->z; |
| 17:06:08 | patlabor221 | prNorm->y = prMatrix->el[1][0] * h + prMatrix->el[1][1] * v + prMatrix->el[1][2] * prNorm->z; |
| 17:06:09 | patlabor221 | prNorm->z = prMatrix->el[2][0] * h + prMatrix->el[2][1] * v + prMatrix->el[2][2] * prNorm->z; |
| 17:06:11 | patlabor221 | } |
| 17:06:13 | patlabor221 | else |
| 17:06:15 | patlabor221 | { |
| 17:06:17 | patlabor221 | if (prMatrix->flags & XFORM_SCALE) |
| 17:06:18 | doug_school | like the mutiineers moon type people |
| 17:06:19 | patlabor221 | { |
| 17:06:23 | patlabor221 | prNorm->x *= prMatrix->el[0][0]; |
| 17:06:23 | patlabor221 | prNorm->y *= prMatrix->el[1][1]; |
| 17:06:25 | patlabor221 | prNorm->z *= prMatrix->el[2][2]; |
| 17:06:26 | scanline | is back (gone 01:21:18) |
| 17:06:27 | patlabor221 | } |
| 17:06:29 | patlabor221 | } |
| 17:06:29 | captain_proton | something different...like what? |
| 17:06:31 | patlabor221 | |
| 17:06:33 | patlabor221 | return prNorm; |
| 17:06:35 | patlabor221 | } |
| 17:06:38 | patlabor221 | you just rotate |
| 17:06:39 | patlabor221 | since the translation dosn't make sense for it to rotate |
| 17:06:45 | Cell_prog_insect | k |
| 17:06:48 | Cell_prog_insect | thanks |
| 17:07:51 | patlabor221 | that is what i am asking |
| 17:07:56 | patlabor221 | I know I want multiplayer |
| 17:08:00 | patlabor221 | and team type stuff |
| 17:08:01 | doug_school | yes |
| 17:08:06 | doug_school | no single player |
| 17:08:15 | patlabor221 | why not? |
| 17:08:16 | doug_school | its booring agaist a super AI player.. |
| 17:08:20 | patlabor221 | what is wrong with single player |
| 17:08:31 | patlabor221 | you have never played single player UT |
| 17:08:35 | doug_school | you cant yell at the computer |
| 17:08:43 | doug_school | you can yell at teamates |
| 17:08:45 | patlabor221 | in UT, yes you can |
| 17:08:49 | doug_school | oh? |
| 17:08:52 | doug_school | UT = ? |
| 17:08:55 | patlabor221 | thems some smart AI |
| 17:08:59 | patlabor221 | unreal tournament |
| 17:09:00 | doug_school | hmm |
| 17:09:02 | doug_school | ooh |
| 17:09:06 | doug_school | hmm |
| 17:09:10 | doug_school | expensive, aint it? |
| 17:09:34 | patlabor221 | perhaps when it game out 2 years ago |
| 17:09:44 | patlabor221 | it's gotta be like $20 now |
| 17:09:46 | doug_school | why not make a UT look alike type game |
| 17:10:02 | doug_school | one that would be free |
| 17:10:19 | doug_school | but have the same smart AI and stuff |
| 17:10:41 | doug_school | hmm |
| 17:11:23 | patlabor221 | why not just play UT then? |
| 17:11:31 | doug_school | hmm |
| 17:11:43 | captain_proton | haha |
| 17:11:45 | doug_school | I play AA, it uses the Unreal engine |
| 17:11:53 | doug_school | so I "use it" |
| 17:11:54 | patlabor221 | there are lots that do |
| 17:12:03 | doug_school | hmm |
| 17:12:10 | doug_school | and also the quake engine |
| 17:12:27 | doug_school | the Q3 |
| 17:12:53 | doug_school | but thats beside the point, its what you are trying to use for tanks |
| 17:13:01 | patlabor221 | Q3 == ASS |
| 17:13:53 | doug_school | hehe |
| 17:13:59 | doug_school | but it looks cool |
| 17:14:12 | captain_proton | q2 = brown. q3 = brown/gray |
| 17:14:15 | captain_proton | they're working on it |
| 17:14:23 | doug_school | ? |
| 17:14:30 | doug_school | Q1? |
| 17:14:44 | captain_proton | perhaps they'll even use a third color in the next one |
| 17:14:46 | doug_school | black? |
| 17:14:50 | doug_school | haha |
| 17:15:13 | captain_proton | creams his coffee |
| 17:16:06 | doug_school | problem is that most games are really dark, gloomy, buildings, I like outdoor multiplayer games during the daytime |
| 17:16:13 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 17:16:23 | captain_proton | my game will be outdoor/space yet still gloomy :) |
| 17:16:32 | doug_school | in what way? |
| 17:16:39 | captain_proton | perhaps more daylight in the beginning of the game |
| 17:16:58 | doug_school | what is your game gonna be like? |
| 17:17:18 | captain_proton | gloomy |
| 17:17:21 | doug_school | space? |
| 17:17:22 | captain_proton | smirks |
| 17:17:31 | doug_school | "the final frontier" |
| 17:17:44 | doug_school | star trek? |
| 17:17:45 | doug_school | eewww |
| 17:17:45 | patlabor221 | like couldy gloomy? |
| 17:17:47 | sussudio | SimBathroom |
| 17:17:55 | doug_school | yuk |
| 17:18:04 | doug_school | patlabor221: cloudy? |
| 17:18:20 | patlabor221 | anyone know how to get a PALM to show up in leeenux? SUSE specificly? |
| 17:18:28 | doug_school | hmm |
| 17:18:38 | doug_school | use palm s ync software |
| 17:18:46 | doug_school | its downloadable |
| 17:19:00 | doug_school | it even comes with redhat and mandrake |
| 17:19:05 | doug_school | I dunno about suse |
| 17:19:17 | patlabor221 | it does not come with suse |
| 17:19:25 | doug_school | hmm |
| 17:19:39 | doug_school | google... |
| 17:19:48 | captain_proton | you could setup the palm conduits in gnome & such |
| 17:20:22 | sussudio | there's palm stuff in deb. |
| 17:21:05 | sussudio | maybe suse just hates palm |
| 17:22:12 | doug_school | I know! how about a insect type game! like your a bug, and you fight other bugs, and you can fly, and stuff! |
| 17:22:27 | doug_school | grins |
| 17:23:01 | patlabor221 | now you are just being stupid |
| 17:23:14 | doug_school | hey, making bugs are fun! |
| 17:23:21 | captain_proton | slaps doug_school with a genius on a stick |
| 17:23:42 | sussudio | how about a game where you sit in IRC all day, idling |
| 17:23:43 | doug_school | sorry captain_proton, I am already a genius... |
| 17:23:54 | captain_proton | sussudio: ooh i love that one |
| 17:24:07 | doug_school | I thought thats what I was playing? |
| 17:24:18 | patlabor221 | has to go |
| 17:24:24 | doug_school | cya |
| 17:25:26 | doug_school | [bobo@208.147.39.133] has quit IRC () |
| 17:27:18 | doug_school | sussudio: you got that mp3? |
| 17:27:28 | sussudio | what? |
| 17:27:38 | [BZ]Ruudi | hi |
| 17:27:47 | doug_school | sound of silence mp3 |
| 17:27:52 | doug_school | is a good one |
| 17:27:58 | sussudio | no |
| 17:28:08 | sussudio | OPN is fucked with dcc's or something |
| 17:28:09 | doug_school | why? |
| 17:28:15 | doug_school | hmm |
| 17:28:24 | doug_school | http://heck.no-ip.com |
| 17:28:49 | sussudio | hmwatchingbuffy |
| 17:28:51 | [BZ]Ruudi | hi any linux dudes around who got lilypond installed? |
| 17:28:59 | gonkulator{work} | is away: class time |
| 17:29:06 | sussudio | lilywhat |
| 17:29:17 | [BZ]Ruudi | lilypond |
| 17:29:36 | [BZ]Ruudi | http://www.lilypond.org/ |
| 17:29:58 | [BZ]Ruudi | i need some files to be exported into midi but it's pain to get it workin in win |
| 17:30:24 | [BZ]Ruudi | denemo and lilypond together can export it into midi... |
| 17:31:14 | sussudio1 | isp disconnect OOG. OOG smash isp. |
| 17:31:43 | doug_school | haha |
| 17:32:33 | doug_school | OW! I got hair stuck in my headphones |
| 17:32:43 | sussudio | just pull it real hard |
| 17:32:47 | sussudio | ignore the blood |
| 17:32:55 | doug_school | it huuuurts |
| 17:33:14 | doug_school | ;P |
| 17:33:56 | doug_school | YOW! |
| 17:34:07 | doug_school | darn, ibot did not respond |
| 17:34:28 | doug_school | switches streaming servers |
| 17:34:45 | doug_school | from my local radio to (( classical )) |
| 17:34:48 | doug_school | hehe |
| 17:39:08 | doug_school | ibot x de en swine |
| 17:39:09 | | doug_school: * What browser you were using. |
| 17:39:18 | doug_school | hmm |
| 17:39:37 | doug_school | ibot x de en pig |
| 17:39:38 | | doug_school: * What browser you were using. |
| 17:39:43 | doug_school | hmm |
| 17:39:50 | doug_school | ibot x de en hallo |
| 17:39:50 | | doug_school: hello |
| 17:40:04 | | doug_school: huh? |
| 17:40:04 | doug_school | ibot pig |
| 17:40:12 | | doug_school: i'm not following you... |
| 17:40:12 | doug_school | ibot swine |
| 17:42:02 | | sussudio: huh? |
| 17:42:02 | sussudio | ibot: hot grits |
| 17:42:12 | | sussudio: excuse me? |
| 17:42:12 | sussudio | ibot: goatse |
| 17:43:06 | | sussudio: i'm not following you... |
| 17:43:06 | sussudio | ibot: natalie portman petrified with hot grits and some fava beans |
| 17:43:08 | captain_proton | ahem |
| 17:46:16 | doug_school | *cough* |
| 17:46:59 | | doug_school: what? |
| 17:46:59 | doug_school | ibot cough |
| 17:47:16 | doug_school | ruudi: you have a ftp server? |
| 17:52:01 | doughecka | whats the microsoft summit meeting? |
| 17:54:51 | captain_proton | a meeting about microsoft on top of a mountain |
| 17:55:01 | doughecka | ah |
| 17:55:18 | doughecka | https://www.wellsregister.com/dotnetsummitdays/details.asp?EV=100 |
| 17:58:26 | doughecka | ho hum, we have a new moon |
| 17:58:45 | | I can't find the headlines. |
| 17:58:45 | doughecka | ibot slashdot |
| 17:58:50 | doughecka | ah |
| 17:59:05 | | I can't find the headlines. |
| 17:59:05 | doughecka | ibot slashdot |
| 17:59:21 | doughecka | stupid thing |
| 18:00:46 | doug_school | I agree, it is stupid |
| 18:02:37 | captain_proton | goes to deliver his physics homework |
| 18:03:42 | doug_school | sharpens a stick in the pencil sharpener |
| 18:04:27 | doug_school | ooh |
| 18:04:29 | doug_school | pointy |
| 18:04:40 | doug_school | waves the sharp stick at the teacher |
| 18:16:53 | captain_proton | hum |
| 18:17:13 | captain_proton | xmove would be 1000% more useful if it could do color depth translation |
| 18:17:55 | sussudio | :-| |
| 18:19:34 | captain_proton | wants to move evolution back and forth between home and work |
| 18:21:20 | scanline | Garrr... I hate expose events |
| 18:21:39 | bzdoug_ | wierd |
| 18:21:42 | sussudio | prostate exams? |
| 18:21:46 | scanline | wishes X was more like picogui =) |
| 18:21:51 | | doug_school was last seen on #bzflag 17 minutes and 11 seconds ago, saying: waves the sharp stick at the teacher [Wed Sep 11 19:04:40 2002] |
| 18:21:51 | bzdoug_ | ibot seen doug_school |
| 18:21:57 | bzdoug_ | tsk |
| 18:22:04 | scanline | no.. I do a big file transfer, galeon is blocking on disk I/O, so it won't redraw its windows |
| 18:22:23 | sussudio | :-\ |
| 18:22:31 | bzdoug_ | wishes picogui was more like X |
| 18:22:38 | bzdoug_ | =) |
| 18:22:45 | scanline | pulls the pin on a tsk grenade and throws it at bzdoug_ |
| 18:22:51 | sussudio | wishes for peas on earth |
| 18:22:55 | bzdoug_ | hehe |
| 18:22:59 | bzdoug_ | http://www.pig.com |
| 18:23:05 | bzdoug_ | really cool site |
| 18:23:13 | scanline | yoshi:/usr/src# cp -r linux-2.4.19 linux-2.4.19-ac4 |
| 18:23:15 | scanline | sloooow.... |
| 18:23:36 | scanline | prolly should have done a make clean first :) |
| 18:23:50 | sussudio | make dirty |
| 18:24:07 | bzdoug_ | and this: http://www.seespotrun.com |
| 18:24:31 | sussudio | seespothumpsomeone'sleg |
| 18:24:45 | bzdoug_ | hoho, pig.net |
| 18:25:06 | sussudio | ham.net? |
| 18:25:17 | captain_proton | its a pig that looks like a locomotive and tastes like flowers! |
| 18:25:38 | bzdoug_ | haha |
| 18:25:57 | sussudio | flowers dont taste good |
| 18:26:09 | bzdoug_ | pulls out his burning laser agaist the flys |
| 18:26:11 | captain_proton | 'lo BZFlag |
| 18:26:17 | bzdoug_ | hey bzflag! |
| 18:26:23 | sussudio | it's spelled flies |
| 18:26:27 | scanline | waves to BZFlag |
| 18:26:51 | bzdoug_ | its A fly |
| 18:26:57 | captain_proton | and multiple flies |
| 18:27:05 | bzdoug_ | the s was a typo |
| 18:27:07 | BZFlag | hey all. |
| 18:27:24 | captain_proton | BZFlag: cvs was 'broken' in that it wasn't sending us any commit announcements |
| 18:27:52 | captain_proton | for the longest time... |
| 18:28:09 | bzdoug_ | who's gonna register bzflag.com? |
| 18:28:27 | BZFlag | captain_proton: hmm. anyone fix it or did it fix itself? |
| 18:28:34 | captain_proton | BZFlag: seems to have fixed itself |
| 18:28:35 | captain_proton | :) |
| 18:28:49 | BZFlag | bzdoug_: hmm. I could I suppose. I think bzflag.net is open too. |
| 18:28:57 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 18:29:03 | bzdoug_ | 6 bucks each |
| 18:29:16 | captain_proton | wants bzflag.net :) |
| 18:29:19 | BZFlag | 6 bucks? |
| 18:29:20 | bzdoug_ | grins evily |
| 18:29:23 | bzdoug_ | yea |
| 18:29:26 | bzdoug_ | godaddy.com |
| 18:29:36 | BZFlag | uses GoDaddy for like $9/yr |
| 18:29:48 | bzdoug_ | ok then 9 buck |
| 18:29:50 | bzdoug_ | s |
| 18:29:54 | bzdoug_ | woo, bzflag.biz! |
| 18:30:08 | bzdoug_ | :) |
| 18:30:10 | sussudio | bzflag.xxx |
| 18:30:23 | bzdoug_ | captain_proton: you gonna buy it off me for 10 grand? |
| 18:30:42 | captain_proton | bzdoug_: i'll sue you for it |
| 18:30:59 | bzdoug_ | I will sue for wasting my time |
| 18:31:22 | sussudio | i will .su root |
| 18:31:24 | bzdoug_ | bzflag.COM |
| 18:31:25 | bzdoug_ | BZFLAG.NET |
| 18:31:27 | bzdoug_ | BZFLAG.INFO |
| 18:31:28 | bzdoug_ | BZFLAG.BIZ |
| 18:31:29 | bzdoug_ | BZFLAG.US |
| 18:31:30 | bzdoug_ | BZFLAG.WS |
| 18:31:38 | bzdoug_ | all those are avalible |
| 18:31:42 | sussudio | bzflag.nl? |
| 18:31:43 | bzdoug_ | take your pick |
| 18:31:44 | bzdoug_ | :P |
| 18:31:49 | bzdoug_ | hm, sure |
| 18:31:59 | bzdoug_ | I dunno how you would go about registering that |
| 18:32:05 | scanline | bzflag.cx |
| 18:32:12 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 18:32:18 | bzdoug_ | how? cx.cx? |
| 18:32:18 | sussudio | bzflag.de |
| 18:32:22 | bzdoug_ | woo |
| 18:32:24 | sussudio | is regged |
| 18:32:32 | bzdoug_ | we HAVE to have bzflag.de |
| 18:32:34 | sussudio | Claus Dreischer |
| 18:32:39 | bzdoug_ | oh right |
| 18:32:43 | bzdoug_ | bzfranks |
| 18:32:45 | bzdoug_ | I think |
| 18:32:53 | bzdoug_ | or oma herta |
| 18:33:10 | captain_proton | registers bzflag.net |
| 18:33:35 | bzdoug_ | 15 bucks for . info .biz, and .us |
| 18:33:42 | bzdoug_ | captain: really? |
| 18:33:45 | captain_proton | bzdoug_: yep |
| 18:33:58 | captain_proton | fillin' out forms now |
| 18:34:05 | bzdoug_ | wow |
| 18:34:22 | bzdoug_ | let me have doug.bzflag.net, ok? |
| 18:34:27 | bzdoug_ | ;) |
| 18:35:05 | bzdoug_ | or something... it was my idea |
| 18:35:38 | bzdoug_ | captain: if you need a place to host it... |
| 18:35:46 | bzdoug_ | I can, for a small price... |
| 18:35:47 | bzdoug_ | :) |
| 18:35:49 | jzaun | Is there anyway to verify that a text file is a BZFlag world? |
| 18:35:51 | sussudio | i think britain2002 is getting desperate... who the hell still wants to go there this year? |
| 18:36:20 | bzdoug_ | jzaun: look at it, or make sure it has a box in it |
| 18:36:33 | captain_proton | i may run a web site offa www.bzflag.net but bzflag.net itself won't be a web site |
| 18:36:36 | captain_proton | it'll be mah box :) |
| 18:36:46 | bzdoug_ | ah |
| 18:36:50 | bzdoug_ | oh wow |
| 18:36:58 | bzdoug_ | bzflag.bzflag.net |
| 18:36:59 | bzdoug_ | could I have it? |
| 18:37:01 | bzdoug_ | ;) |
| 18:37:11 | jzaun | sussudio: figures, no magic first few bytes? |
| 18:37:45 | captain_proton | haha |
| 18:37:56 | sussudio | err |
| 18:38:18 | bzdoug_ | captain_proton: how about game.bzflag.net? |
| 18:38:24 | jzaun | oh well... I got map uploading working... adds it to the mySQL database |
| 18:38:25 | bzdoug_ | or somethin... |
| 18:38:32 | bzdoug_ | jzaun: YAY!!! |
| 18:38:35 | jzaun | not just to do something with the information |
| 18:38:35 | sussudio | i guess you could check for "# World built" |
| 18:38:51 | bzdoug_ | jzaun, let me give ya the latest map of mine |
| 18:38:58 | bzdoug_ | how do I upload? |
| 18:39:05 | jzaun | in the user page |
| 18:39:10 | bzdoug_ | k |
| 18:39:27 | jzaun | you can upload if you like... but it my be deleted a few times till I get it all working properly :-) |
| 18:39:32 | bzdoug_ | ah |
| 18:39:40 | captain_proton | well, i must be off to work |
| 18:39:47 | jzaun | Have fun captain_proton |
| 18:39:56 | bzdoug_ | will it be put into the server automagicaly? |
| 18:40:08 | sussudio | fun fun fun in the sun sun sun |
| 18:40:20 | jzaun | I basically will store *anything* into the database right now, got to make sure they are world file |
| 18:40:30 | scanline | is away: class |
| 18:40:41 | jzaun | and once its in the database it don't do anything yet |
| 18:40:48 | bzdoug_ | oh |
| 18:41:01 | bzdoug_ | well, could we have requests? |
| 18:41:09 | bzdoug_ | so we could pick whats gonna be next? |
| 18:41:20 | jzaun | possibly in the future |
| 18:41:48 | jzaun | I still need to write the server script to 1) run the bzflag server and 2) pull the maps from the database to use them |
| 18:41:53 | bzdoug_ | gmm |
| 18:41:56 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 18:41:57 | bzdoug_ | ok |
| 18:42:26 | jzaun | need to write a webpage that displays the map information and allows people to vote on them |
| 18:42:27 | bzdoug_ | list players? does that work? |
| 18:42:31 | bzdoug_ | ok |
| 18:42:38 | bzdoug_ | oh cool |
| 18:42:47 | jzaun | need to write a function that creates a little graphic from the map data too |
| 18:42:52 | jzaun | yah, player list works |
| 18:43:01 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 18:43:14 | bzdoug_ | how about a way to search for players on servers? |
| 18:43:50 | jzaun | god... need to update my cron script to kill off any unregistered callsigns after a week of no use and registered players after 2 months |
| 18:43:58 | jzaun | so the database don't get HUGE |
| 18:44:10 | jzaun | just want to keep the active players |
| 18:44:26 | jzaun | click on a player name |
| 18:44:34 | jzaun | will give the last know location and time |
| 18:45:09 | bzdoug_ | cool |
| 18:45:10 | bzdoug_ | ok |
| 18:45:14 | bzdoug_ | and I found a bug |
| 18:45:20 | bzdoug_ | or a misspelling |
| 18:45:20 | jzaun | joy |
| 18:45:21 | bzdoug_ | :) |
| 18:45:22 | jzaun | where |
| 18:45:37 | bzdoug_ | the submit buttons says sumbit |
| 18:45:39 | bzdoug_ | :P |
| 18:45:53 | bzdoug_ | haha |
| 18:45:54 | bzdoug_ | ok |
| 18:45:59 | bzdoug_ | uploaded my world |
| 18:46:17 | jzaun | hehe.. technically your marked as an author in the database now |
| 18:46:29 | jzaun | let me update the player view to show it |
| 18:47:29 | bzdoug_ | k |
| 18:47:33 | bzdoug_ | cool |
| 18:47:41 | bzdoug_ | I AM an author |
| 18:47:43 | bzdoug_ | I made it |
| 18:54:02 | jzaun | ok doug, click on your name in the player list |
| 18:57:20 | sussudio | aww |
| 19:12:17 | BZFlag | anyone that wants can have a *.bzflag.org address. |
| 19:12:28 | BZFlag | just email me the name and the address. |
| 19:13:13 | sussudio | you mean name@bzflag.org? |
| 19:13:55 | BZFlag | sussudio: no, I'm not ready to do email for everybody. I mean for a web server etc. |
| 19:14:06 | sussudio | k |
| 19:27:11 | jzaun | BZFlag: I will be, might as will but it up now |
| 19:27:15 | jzaun | jzaun.bzflag.org |
| 19:27:28 | jzaun | will point to my mom's site till I get the web done |
| 19:27:32 | jzaun | If thats ok? |
| 19:28:16 | jzaun | BZFlag: any what callsign do you play under? |
| 19:32:57 | BZFlag | fine. just email it to me. I play as Tim with my email listed (Tim@Rikers.org) always. |
| 19:33:20 | BZFlag | back later. |
| 19:42:18 | scan[ibook] | is away: class over |
| 19:48:24 | scan[ibook] | is back (gone 00:06:07) |
| 19:52:27 | jzaun | siz min. class.... thats short |
| 19:52:32 | jzaun | six* |
| 19:53:54 | sussudio | slacking 101 |
| 19:54:00 | jzaun | :) |
| 20:06:20 | doughecka | hoo |
| 20:06:40 | jzaun | hoo what? |
| 20:06:52 | doughecka | woo |
| 20:06:59 | jzaun | forget the "t" if you were thing of an owl |
| 20:07:12 | doughecka | haha |
| 20:07:20 | doughecka | whooo whooo |
| 20:07:27 | jzaun | oooh... a train |
| 20:07:35 | doughecka | tsk |
| 20:07:36 | jzaun | I like traing |
| 20:07:40 | jzaun | trains |
| 20:07:43 | doughecka | lol |
| 20:08:07 | jzaun | well I do |
| 20:08:08 | jzaun | Marklins |
| 20:08:08 | jzaun | have a tun of em, and LGBs |
| 20:08:08 | doughecka | hehe |
| 20:08:14 | jzaun | I have a fwe Lionel and some Z gage |
| 20:08:23 | doughecka | cool |
| 20:08:28 | jzaun | mostly Marklin though |
| 20:08:42 | doughecka | you should make a php site that lets people control trains |
| 20:08:45 | doughecka | amd web ca,s |
| 20:08:47 | doughecka | cams |
| 20:08:50 | doughecka | ;0 |
| 20:09:03 | jzaun | heh, They are all boxed up, no room for them in my appartment |
| 20:09:13 | doughecka | oh |
| 20:09:17 | jzaun | when I lived at home though, the LGB was setup outside in the yard |
| 20:09:22 | doughecka | really? |
| 20:09:25 | doughecka | hmm |
| 20:09:26 | jzaun | Ran all threw the gardens |
| 20:09:32 | doughecka | cool |
| 20:09:36 | doughecka | how big is it? |
| 20:09:39 | doughecka | size? |
| 20:09:41 | jzaun | LGB? |
| 20:09:45 | doughecka | yea |
| 20:10:14 | jzaun | looking |
| 20:10:56 | doughecka | hmm |
| 20:11:00 | jzaun | http://www.lgb.com/index_2.html |
| 20:11:19 | jzaun | 5 or 6 times the size of HO |
| 20:11:27 | doughecka | wow |
| 20:11:57 | jzaun | yah... I have a train, just the enging that caust 2K |
| 20:12:06 | jzaun | have a dinning car that was 600 |
| 20:12:11 | doughecka | woah |
| 20:12:34 | doughecka | do you ride in it? :P |
| 20:12:44 | jzaun | Marklin is HO scale. They are a *much* high quality though |
| 20:12:50 | jzaun | ride it, no not that big |
| 20:12:57 | doughecka | hehe |
| 20:13:03 | doughecka | electric? |
| 20:13:11 | jzaun | yah |
| 20:13:12 | doughecka | must have a hugh power supply |
| 20:13:26 | doughecka | huge even |
| 20:13:26 | jzaun | nah, just a regualr outlet |
| 20:13:30 | doughecka | oh? |
| 20:13:37 | doughecka | just plug it in? |
| 20:13:40 | jzaun | yup |
| 20:13:57 | doughecka | dont touch the *ZAP!* rails... |
| 20:14:26 | jzaun | I had the leads to the track underground into the house where the transformer are |
| 20:14:37 | jzaun | the tracks can be touch while its plugged in |
| 20:14:43 | doughecka | oh |
| 20:14:48 | jzaun | it don't need that much juice |
| 20:14:49 | doughecka | cool |
| 20:14:52 | doughecka | hehe |
| 20:15:02 | doughecka | hmm |
| 20:15:09 | jzaun | I had all the tracks laid out on a bed of rocks, like real tracks and all |
| 20:15:25 | doughecka | cool |
| 20:15:37 | jzaun | even had a nice tressel bridge over the crick (sp) |
| 20:15:48 | doughecka | neato! |
| 20:16:28 | jzaun | Looked best in summer and winter... I liked it when they ran thre the snow... couldn't see the tracks :-) |
| 20:16:35 | doughecka | hehe |
| 20:16:39 | doughecka | and have a snow plow.... |
| 20:16:40 | doughecka | :) |
| 20:17:09 | jzaun | but you good at php? |
| 20:17:15 | jzaun | say yes |
| 20:17:17 | jzaun | and mean it |
| 20:17:26 | doughecka | nope |
| 20:17:37 | doughecka | I dont know the first thing about php |
| 20:17:40 | doughecka | :( |
| 20:17:48 | jzaun | Its a cool lang. |
| 20:17:50 | doughecka | gotta learn it someday... |
| 20:17:53 | doughecka | yea |
| 20:17:53 | jzaun | much like C |
| 20:17:55 | doughecka | I hear it is |
| 20:17:58 | doughecka | tsk |
| 20:18:03 | doughecka | I dont know c either |
| 20:18:06 | doughecka | nor C++ |
| 20:18:15 | doughecka | I know pbasic! |
| 20:18:21 | jzaun | well its very easy |
| 20:18:22 | doughecka | grins |
| 20:18:26 | doughecka | yea... |
| 20:18:28 | jzaun | I know Qbasic |
| 20:18:32 | patlabor221 | if you don't know C I can't see how you could know C++ |
| 20:18:33 | doughecka | if I had the time, I could learn it |
| 20:18:43 | doughecka | patlabor221: you back.... |
| 20:18:47 | doughecka | ;) |
| 20:18:50 | patlabor221 | nope |
| 20:18:51 | doughecka | yea |
| 20:18:58 | doughecka | your back... |
| 20:19:10 | patlabor221 | nope |
| 20:19:12 | jzaun | no thats just a auto-reply |
| 20:19:19 | jzaun | he runs a little script :-) |
| 20:19:26 | patlabor221 | nope |
| 20:19:33 | jzaun | see |
| 20:19:36 | patlabor221 | I am a script |
| 20:19:43 | jzaun | it said nope every now and again :-P |
| 20:19:49 | patlabor221 | nope |
| 20:19:49 | doughecka | hehe |
| 20:20:00 | doughecka | patlabor221: hu hu hu hu |
| 20:20:00 | patlabor221 | I am the god in the script |
| 20:20:15 | jzaun | not the script in the god? |
| 20:20:16 | patlabor221 | hu? are you doing something nasty? |
| 20:20:17 | doughecka | hmm, it has very bad AI, from what I can tell |
| 20:20:27 | doughecka | yup |
| 20:20:31 | patlabor221 | who said anything about being artifical? |
| 20:20:35 | doughecka | but it seems to be learning |
| 20:20:46 | patlabor221 | unlike you |
| 20:20:47 | doughecka | mind is a giant script |
| 20:20:56 | jzaun | :) |
| 20:20:58 | patlabor221 | no ownder it runs so slow then |
| 20:21:07 | patlabor221 | it's proalby interpeted. |
| 20:21:14 | jzaun | hahah |
| 20:21:26 | jzaun | that was good |
| 20:21:33 | patlabor221 | well I try |
| 20:21:37 | doughecka | uses a proprietary languence that ddoess not have a speel checker in it, but it can out put data in raping series of irc messages |
| 20:21:55 | patlabor221 | did that make any sense? |
| 20:21:57 | doughecka | nasty spell checker |
| 20:22:06 | doughecka | nor grammer checker, for that matter |
| 20:22:17 | jzaun | :) |
| 20:22:25 | doughecka | hehe |
| 20:22:26 | patlabor221 | nor any form of actual Idea or concept. |
| 20:22:28 | jzaun | brb |
| 20:22:38 | doughecka | exacly |
| 20:22:52 | patlabor221 | so you are saying that you are stupid? |
| 20:23:42 | doughecka | cannot answer to lower life forms |
| 20:23:50 | doughecka | smirks |
| 20:23:50 | patlabor221 | I see |
| 20:24:02 | patlabor221 | well then it should be a quiet night |
| 20:24:29 | doughecka | swiches to basic mode |
| 20:24:45 | doughecka | yea, I can reply to lower life forms if I want |
| 20:24:55 | patlabor221 | 10 goto 10 |
| 20:25:06 | doughecka | segfaults |
| 20:25:19 | patlabor221 | why would you seg fault? |
| 20:25:23 | doughecka | you figure out what you want to use for your game? |
| 20:25:33 | patlabor221 | nope |
| 20:25:41 | doughecka | built in protection for loops |
| 20:25:47 | patlabor221 | leaning towards marmamsets now tho |
| 20:25:54 | doughecka | hmm |
| 20:25:56 | doughecka | and those are? |
| 20:26:18 | patlabor221 | higher life form indeed! |
| 20:26:58 | doughecka | error, cannot find marmamsets in database |
| 20:27:12 | doughecka | please enter defination at the command prompt |
| 20:27:36 | patlabor221 | comand line, how archaic |
| 20:27:44 | patlabor221 | Main Entry: mar·mo·set |
| 20:27:44 | patlabor221 | Pronunciation: 'mär-m&-"set, -"zet |
| 20:27:44 | patlabor221 | Function: noun |
| 20:27:44 | patlabor221 | Etymology: Middle English marmusette kind of monkey, from Middle French marmoset grotesque figure, from marmouser to mumble, of imitative origin |
| 20:27:44 | patlabor221 | Date: 1679 |
| 20:27:45 | patlabor221 | : any of numerous small soft-furred So. and Central American monkeys (family Callithricidae) with claws instead of nails on all the digits except the great toe |
| 20:27:53 | doughecka | hmm |
| 20:28:03 | doughecka | so your gonna put fur in your games? |
| 20:28:07 | doughecka | wow |
| 20:28:09 | patlabor221 | nope |
| 20:28:23 | doughecka | oh |
| 20:28:35 | doughecka | so the game will be all monkeys? |
| 20:28:40 | patlabor221 | everything is better with monkeys!!!! |
| 20:28:43 | doughecka | you run around eating bananas? |
| 20:28:56 | patlabor221 | no that would be booring |
| 20:28:58 | patlabor221 | shotguns |
| 20:29:07 | doughecka | ohhhh ho ho! |
| 20:29:30 | doughecka | blasting monkeys into little pieces across the jungle! |
| 20:29:49 | doughecka | or do you shoot the bananas? |
| 20:29:53 | patlabor221 | you would like that wouldn't you, you sick little freak. |
| 20:30:13 | doughecka | then whats the point of monkeys and shot guns? |
| 20:30:21 | doughecka | target practice? |
| 20:30:39 | patlabor221 | I dono I am just pulling crap outa my ass |
| 20:30:49 | doughecka | ah |
| 20:45:27 | doughecka | heya bzflag! |
| 20:48:44 | doughecka | you say you where gonna give away *.bzflag.org domains? |
| 20:49:32 | doughecka | patlabor221: you there? |
| 20:49:46 | patlabor221 | I am |
| 20:49:52 | doughecka | k |
| 20:49:56 | patlabor221 | why? |
| 20:50:11 | doughecka | can you over clock a duron 1 ghz to 1.3 ghz? |
| 20:50:19 | doughecka | or just 1.2? |
| 20:50:26 | patlabor221 | yes |
| 20:50:27 | patlabor221 | 1.3 |
| 20:50:34 | doughecka | hmm |
| 20:50:34 | patlabor221 | by uping the FSB to 133 |
| 20:50:40 | doughecka | k |
| 20:50:43 | doughecka | well |
| 20:50:46 | patlabor221 | if your ram and mobo supports it |
| 20:50:51 | patlabor221 | but it will run hoter |
| 20:51:10 | doughecka | hmm |
| 20:51:19 | doughecka | ECS K7S5A-2 with Duron 1000Mhz (1.0)CPU & Fan |
| 20:51:23 | doughecka | 84 |
| 20:51:26 | doughecka | bucks |
| 20:51:30 | patlabor221 | that was the mobo that I did it with |
| 20:51:34 | doughecka | k |
| 20:51:37 | patlabor221 | do you have PC133 ram? |
| 20:52:16 | doughecka | no |
| 20:52:32 | patlabor221 | then I would not recoment over clocking |
| 20:52:33 | doughecka | does it need it? |
| 20:52:45 | doughecka | hmm |
| 20:52:45 | doughecka | k |
| 20:52:49 | patlabor221 | if you want to take a 1.0 to a 1.3 yes |
| 20:52:53 | doughecka | how about 1.2? |
| 20:53:12 | patlabor221 | a stock 1.2? |
| 20:53:15 | doughecka | no |
| 20:53:21 | doughecka | over clock 1 to 1.2? |
| 20:53:24 | patlabor221 | nope |
| 20:53:27 | doughecka | no? |
| 20:53:31 | patlabor221 | you have to up the FSB |
| 20:53:35 | doughecka | oh |
| 20:53:42 | doughecka | and it goes to 1.3... right? |
| 20:53:58 | BZFlag | doughecka: just email me with the name you want and the ip or cname to assign it to. |
| 20:54:02 | doughecka | how do you change the FSB? in the bios? |
| 20:54:07 | doughecka | bzflag, ok |
| 20:54:17 | doughecka | tim@rikers.org? |
| 20:54:25 | patlabor221 | uping the FSB ups the speed of the ram |
| 20:54:29 | doughecka | oh |
| 20:54:32 | doughecka | hmm |
| 20:54:38 | patlabor221 | so if the ram only does 100 mhz then..... |
| 20:54:43 | doughecka | well |
| 20:54:43 | doughecka | hehe |
| 20:54:49 | doughecka | its 66 ram I think |
| 20:54:53 | doughecka | :Z |
| 20:54:54 | patlabor221 | ohh |
| 20:55:03 | doughecka | grins |
| 20:55:03 | patlabor221 | well durrons require at least PC100 |
| 20:55:08 | doughecka | ?? |
| 20:55:14 | doughecka | tsk |
| 20:55:17 | patlabor221 | didn't you say you had it in a 600 P3 |
| 20:55:20 | doughecka | no |
| 20:55:23 | doughecka | 333 celly |
| 20:55:48 | patlabor221 | well if it's not 100 mhz ram then no current processor will run with it |
| 20:55:50 | doughecka | I have 256 megs in a 600 celly, it might be 100 |
| 20:55:58 | patlabor221 | you need to not guess |
| 20:56:00 | patlabor221 | find out |
| 20:56:00 | doughecka | how do I check what kind of ram it has? |
| 20:56:05 | patlabor221 | just look at it |
| 20:56:13 | doughecka | look.... |
| 20:56:19 | doughecka | it says on it? |
| 20:56:31 | doughecka | I dunno, the sticker might have been ripped off |
| 20:56:45 | patlabor221 | it is suposed to |
| 20:56:56 | doughecka | hmm |
| 20:57:03 | patlabor221 | you think that the facotory just guesses? |
| 20:57:11 | doughecka | hmm |
| 20:57:31 | doughecka | they read a part number I bet |
| 20:57:37 | doughecka | then stick the sticker on it |
| 21:00:38 | doughecka | hmm |
| 21:00:47 | doughecka | let me find out my ram type... |
| 21:00:55 | doughecka | is there anyway I can find out useing software? |
| 21:01:00 | patlabor221 | nope |
| 21:01:07 | doughecka | tsk, ok |
| 21:01:22 | patlabor221 | if you keep tsking I won't help you any more |
| 21:01:41 | doughecka | ok |
| 21:01:50 | doughecka | can you overclock ram? |
| 21:01:58 | patlabor221 | yes |
| 21:02:04 | patlabor221 | but it gets REAALY hot |
| 21:02:07 | jzaun | but don't |
| 21:02:09 | patlabor221 | and fails |
| 21:02:11 | doughecka | ooh |
| 21:02:13 | doughecka | sure |
| 21:02:15 | patlabor221 | it's not a good idea |
| 21:02:15 | doughecka | ;) |
| 21:02:27 | patlabor221 | do you have a PC100 machine there? |
| 21:02:35 | patlabor221 | or this is easy |
| 21:02:36 | doughecka | hmm |
| 21:02:39 | patlabor221 | how old is the ram? |
| 21:02:40 | doughecka | I dont know |
| 21:02:45 | doughecka | I dont know that either |
| 21:02:53 | patlabor221 | over a year? |
| 21:02:58 | doughecka | friends gave the ram to me |
| 21:02:58 | patlabor221 | year and a half? |
| 21:03:02 | patlabor221 | when? |
| 21:03:03 | doughecka | hmm |
| 21:03:12 | doughecka | about a year ago |
| 21:03:16 | doughecka | and he got them used |
| 21:03:21 | BZFlag | doughecka: yeah, tim@rikers.org |
| 21:03:24 | doughecka | ok |
| 21:03:26 | patlabor221 | it's 66 then |
| 21:03:31 | patlabor221 | more then likely |
| 21:03:40 | doughecka | k |
| 21:03:41 | BZFlag | or tim@bzflag.org ;-) |
| 21:03:49 | doughecka | hehe |
| 21:03:50 | patlabor221 | so you need new ram |
| 21:04:01 | patlabor221 | get some DDR |
| 21:04:04 | doughecka | ooh |
| 21:04:09 | doughecka | claps his hands |
| 21:04:13 | doughecka | PC100! |
| 21:04:19 | doughecka | yay! |
| 21:04:41 | patlabor221 | then that will work with all the base processor speeds |
| 21:04:48 | doughecka | ok |
| 21:04:48 | patlabor221 | what ever they are rated at |
| 21:04:52 | doughecka | let me see... |
| 21:04:55 | patlabor221 | so no OverClock for you |
| 21:05:16 | doughecka | 256 megs synch 199mhz cl2 ecc |
| 21:05:19 | doughecka | er |
| 21:05:21 | patlabor221 | ecc |
| 21:05:25 | patlabor221 | that's 66 |
| 21:05:25 | doughecka | 200mhz |
| 21:05:33 | patlabor221 | CL12 |
| 21:05:34 | doughecka | oh? |
| 21:05:38 | doughecka | 2 |
| 21:05:38 | patlabor221 | yeah that's old stuff |
| 21:05:50 | doughecka | it says 100 mhz |
| 21:05:52 | patlabor221 | that's just the refresh on it not the buss |
| 21:06:04 | patlabor221 | well it could be 100 ecc |
| 21:06:08 | patlabor221 | that's more rare |
| 21:06:09 | doughecka | it says right on it PC100 |
| 21:06:16 | patlabor221 | ok then it is 100 ecc |
| 21:06:32 | doughecka | PC100-222-620R |
| 21:06:34 | patlabor221 | I don't know if the mobo supports that tho |
| 21:06:48 | doughecka | hmm |
| 21:07:00 | patlabor221 | On most mobos you can't mix ECC and non ECC |
| 21:07:07 | doughecka | bah, I have old/new/maybe works ram |
| 21:07:10 | doughecka | well |
| 21:07:19 | doughecka | I have 4 of these chips |
| 21:07:23 | patlabor221 | 512 megs of DDR is under $100 |
| 21:07:28 | doughecka | yea |
| 21:07:38 | patlabor221 | in a single dimm |
| 21:07:39 | doughecka | I saw that, but 100 is all I get |
| 21:07:46 | doughecka | so it goes to the mobo first |
| 21:08:01 | doughecka | friend says it was server ram... |
| 21:08:11 | doughecka | and I have it in my 333 celly mobo |
| 21:08:14 | doughecka | hmmm |
| 21:08:16 | patlabor221 | that would make sense for the ecc stuff |
| 21:08:22 | doughecka | k |
| 21:08:27 | doughecka | ECC = ? |
| 21:08:54 | patlabor221 | extended Cycle check or somethign like that |
| 21:09:04 | doughecka | hmm |
| 21:09:05 | patlabor221 | it's got more error checks |
| 21:09:14 | doughecka | Two 168-pin 3.3V SDRAM (PC100, PC133) it says that for the mobo |
| 21:09:32 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 21:09:38 | doughecka | nothing else for the ram |
| 21:09:41 | patlabor221 | and then 2 DDR slots |
| 21:09:45 | doughecka | yea |
| 21:09:52 | patlabor221 | it may not do ECC I don't know |
| 21:10:02 | doughecka | why would it not? |
| 21:10:04 | patlabor221 | check the mobo manual |
| 21:10:07 | doughecka | its a good mobo, right? |
| 21:10:10 | doughecka | ok |
| 21:10:14 | patlabor221 | if the bios or the chipset don't support it |
| 21:10:18 | patlabor221 | it's a decent mobo |
| 21:10:25 | patlabor221 | not the best out there |
| 21:10:29 | patlabor221 | but it's cheap |
| 21:10:39 | doughecka | ok |
| 21:10:55 | doughecka | socket A? |
| 21:11:02 | patlabor221 | I don't know if SIS supported ecc, it's not that common |
| 21:11:09 | doughecka | hmm |
| 21:11:10 | doughecka | ok |
| 21:11:19 | patlabor221 | so they could have saved a couple bucks and not supported it |
| 21:11:41 | patlabor221 | but check the manual it should say |
| 21:11:43 | doughecka | ack, it has two of the same model mobos |
| 21:11:51 | doughecka | on the ECS web site |
| 21:12:00 | patlabor221 | yeah V1 and V2 |
| 21:12:05 | doughecka | hmm |
| 21:12:08 | patlabor221 | usualy you get V2 |
| 21:12:11 | patlabor221 | but you never know |
| 21:12:13 | doughecka | ah |
| 21:12:18 | doughecka | its a V2 |
| 21:12:24 | doughecka | ECS K7S5A-2 with Duron 1000Mhz (1.0)CPU & Fan |
| 21:12:29 | doughecka | I guess |
| 21:12:39 | patlabor221 | look at them both |
| 21:12:46 | doughecka | ok |
| 21:13:22 | doughecka | oh my.... it has 20 manuals |
| 21:14:02 | doughecka | hey iLLf8d |
| 21:14:33 | iLLf8d | greetings |
| 21:16:44 | doughecka | The mainboard supports both DDR SDRAM and SDR SDRAM. It accommodates two unbuffered 2.5V 184 pin slots and two unbuffered 3.3V 168 pin slots. Each slot can support up to 512 MB with a total maximum capacity of 1.0 GB. |
| 21:17:10 | patlabor221 | unbuffered woould be not ECC |
| 21:17:24 | doughecka | you sure... |
| 21:17:31 | patlabor221 | loke %90 |
| 21:17:39 | doughecka | great... |
| 21:17:44 | doughecka | well |
| 21:17:55 | doughecka | I have one 100 non ECC chip |
| 21:18:03 | patlabor221 | that's why I kept asking you EXACTLY what kind of ram you had |
| 21:18:11 | patlabor221 | so long ago |
| 21:18:12 | doughecka | grins |
| 21:18:22 | doughecka | thats why I been feeding you numbers |
| 21:18:40 | doughecka | ohwell, I have one non ECC ram I think, so I might as well get this |
| 21:18:47 | doughecka | and get DDR some time later |
| 21:18:56 | doughecka | DDR works on duron? |
| 21:19:00 | patlabor221 | sure |
| 21:19:07 | doughecka | k |
| 21:19:17 | patlabor221 | it's the mobo that handles the ram not the CPU |
| 21:19:29 | doughecka | ok |
| 21:27:39 | doughecka | ok then |
| 21:27:51 | doughecka | I could get this mobo and use my one chip of ram that will work in it |
| 21:27:59 | doughecka | and get a new case too |
| 21:28:15 | doughecka | and I could keep this 333 celly for a linux box or somethin |
| 21:28:49 | doughecka | and then I could upgrade to DDR when I get the money. |
| 21:29:01 | doughecka | all I need to do is find a case that will work with it |
| 21:29:01 | patlabor221 | sell blood |
| 21:29:12 | patlabor221 | it's a standard ATX case |
| 21:29:13 | doughecka | I can get a case for 20 bucks.... |
| 21:29:21 | patlabor221 | we use ones we buy for $12 |
| 21:29:27 | doughecka | uts that case that the power cable was too short |
| 21:29:33 | doughecka | its* |
| 21:29:41 | doughecka | so it might, or might not fit |
| 21:29:44 | doughecka | :Z |
| 21:30:15 | doughecka | 12? |
| 21:30:17 | mandy | yawns |
| 21:30:20 | doughecka | where do you get teh case? |
| 21:30:39 | patlabor221 | a place in brea |
| 21:30:43 | doughecka | brea? |
| 21:30:47 | patlabor221 | but we bought 102 of them |
| 21:30:49 | doughecka | oh |
| 21:30:50 | patlabor221 | Brea |
| 21:30:53 | mandy | oh heyz |
| 21:30:57 | patlabor221 | it's a city |
| 21:30:58 | mandy | i got rid of aim |
| 21:31:00 | patlabor221 | hello |
| 21:31:06 | doughecka | where? |
| 21:31:10 | doughecka | tiawon? |
| 21:31:13 | patlabor221 | nope |
| 21:31:14 | mandy | thats all I have to say |
| 21:31:17 | doughecka | china? |
| 21:31:30 | patlabor221 | nope |
| 21:31:36 | doughecka | ohhhh, its in singapore! |
| 21:31:36 | patlabor221 | we drive there |
| 21:31:39 | doughecka | oh |
| 21:31:47 | patlabor221 | they are asembled out there too |
| 21:31:53 | doughecka | ah |
| 21:31:55 | doughecka | neat |
| 21:32:04 | doughecka | made in USA sticker on it |
| 21:32:06 | doughecka | ;) |
| 21:32:14 | doughecka | do they have a website? |
| 21:32:22 | doughecka | 12 includes the powersupply? |
| 21:32:33 | patlabor221 | no it's not made here, it's asembled |
| 21:32:36 | doughecka | oh |
| 21:32:38 | patlabor221 | there is a difrece |
| 21:32:44 | doughecka | yea |
| 21:32:47 | patlabor221 | and no they don't |
| 21:32:49 | doughecka | oh |
| 21:32:51 | doughecka | well |
| 21:33:15 | doughecka | the 20 buck one with a too short of a powersupply cable includes a 400 watt powersupply |
| 21:33:35 | doughecka | so its a pretty good deal |
| 21:33:44 | doughecka | but I dont know if the cable will reach the mobo |
| 21:33:53 | patlabor221 | I show cases for $19 and $20 with shipping |
| 21:34:01 | doughecka | hmm |
| 21:34:03 | doughecka | good cases? |
| 21:34:10 | patlabor221 | I don't know |
| 21:34:15 | doughecka | hmm |
| 21:34:16 | patlabor221 | don't you ever do anything for yourself? |
| 21:34:24 | doughecka | hmm, nope |
| 21:34:36 | patlabor221 | then perhaps it's time to start |
| 21:34:46 | doughecka | ah |
| 21:35:29 | doughecka | 84 bucks for a 1000 ghz duron and a K7S5A-2 is pretty good |
| 21:35:34 | patlabor221 | and for $20 no it won't be a good case |
| 21:35:38 | patlabor221 | it will be a cheap ass case |
| 21:35:41 | doughecka | ah |
| 21:35:41 | patlabor221 | but it will work |
| 21:35:49 | doughecka | well, thats what I want... |
| 21:35:50 | doughecka | :) |
| 21:35:52 | patlabor221 | yes that is decenet |
| 21:36:00 | doughecka | decent.... |
| 21:36:16 | patlabor221 | yes |
| 21:36:29 | doughecka | I could even add a big fan to it and still be within my budget |
| 21:36:40 | patlabor221 | is that include shiping? |
| 21:36:55 | doughecka | no |
| 21:37:13 | doughecka | 101 bucks for it plus shipping and insurence |
| 21:37:21 | doughecka | er |
| 21:37:23 | iLLf8d | doughecka: the -2? |
| 21:37:25 | patlabor221 | like I said "decent' |
| 21:37:35 | patlabor221 | the board is like $45 |
| 21:37:35 | doughecka | inculdes shipping and insurece |
| 21:37:40 | iLLf8d | the K7S5A is hit or miss |
| 21:37:43 | patlabor221 | and handaling |
| 21:37:45 | doughecka | iLLf8d: ? |
| 21:37:52 | iLLf8d | Apparently alot of the boards can be bad |
| 21:37:57 | doughecka | hmm |
| 21:37:59 | patlabor221 | we'v been using them with no problems |
| 21:38:02 | iLLf8d | I know 2 people that have a number of them all good |
| 21:38:03 | doughecka | patlabor221 says hes used them |
| 21:38:06 | iLLf8d | tho when I got one it was bad |
| 21:38:06 | patlabor221 | it's the MSI's that suck |
| 21:38:14 | iLLf8d | and when I wrote the linux driver writer |
| 21:38:20 | iLLf8d | he said that they're hit or miss |
| 21:38:26 | iLLf8d | you just gotta hope you get a good one |
| 21:38:44 | iLLf8d | I can showya the guys email if you like |
| 21:38:50 | doughecka | thats why I am getting warrenty |
| 21:38:50 | patlabor221 | we'be built about 60 systems wiht them and they have all been fine |
| 21:38:53 | iLLf8d | lionell burton I think his name was |
| 21:39:05 | iLLf8d | wrote the drivers for them in the kernel |
| 21:39:09 | doughecka | oh? |
| 21:39:13 | iLLf8d | lemme up the page |
| 21:39:42 | patlabor221 | seems that the K7SEM is the picky one |
| 21:39:46 | patlabor221 | only like Nvidia cards |
| 21:39:50 | iLLf8d | yeah I heard that they were good too |
| 21:39:54 | iLLf8d | till I got mine |
| 21:39:55 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 21:39:56 | doughecka | 15 days warrenty and a temp fan? |
| 21:40:03 | iLLf8d | I know someone thats got about 7 ofem |
| 21:40:04 | iLLf8d | no problems |
| 21:40:05 | doughecka | how good is the fan? |
| 21:40:07 | iLLf8d | and another guy with 2 |
| 21:40:10 | iLLf8d | no problems |
| 21:40:18 | iLLf8d | tho mine was bad go figure |
| 21:40:21 | doughecka | hmm |
| 21:40:22 | doughecka | http://www.malabs.com/assets/products/FAN-K7TB.jpg |
| 21:40:24 | patlabor221 | still 1 outat 10 not bad |
| 21:40:33 | doughecka | well if its bad, I can return it |
| 21:40:45 | doughecka | they have DOA stuff |
| 21:40:56 | patlabor221 | looks like the cheap ass fan that we use |
| 21:40:59 | doughecka | oh |
| 21:41:04 | patlabor221 | it works |
| 21:41:05 | doughecka | is it good enuf? |
| 21:41:09 | doughecka | ok... |
| 21:41:17 | patlabor221 | the 1 gigers don't get that hot |
| 21:41:19 | doughecka | if it dies on be what will happen to teh chip? |
| 21:41:21 | patlabor221 | we use them on 1.2s |
| 21:41:27 | patlabor221 | it will shut down |
| 21:41:30 | doughecka | oh? |
| 21:41:31 | doughecka | good! |
| 21:41:34 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 21:41:40 | patlabor221 | had one where the fan stoped |
| 21:41:45 | doughecka | so it wont melt or frie or anything |
| 21:41:46 | patlabor221 | and it just wouldn't boot |
| 21:41:48 | doughecka | oh |
| 21:41:49 | doughecka | ok |
| 21:41:51 | doughecka | thats good |
| 21:41:53 | patlabor221 | untill we replaced the fan |
| 21:41:56 | doughecka | same mobo? |
| 21:41:59 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 21:42:00 | doughecka | hmm |
| 21:42:02 | doughecka | neat |
| 21:42:24 | doughecka | do I need thermal paste? |
| 21:42:25 | patlabor221 | 84 seems high |
| 21:42:43 | patlabor221 | if the fan does not have a sticky pad on it I would recmeend it |
| 21:42:46 | doughecka | ok |
| 21:42:55 | mandy | ok i'm out |
| 21:42:56 | doughecka | its like 4.99 for a liitle packet of it |
| 21:42:56 | patlabor221 | I show some for liek $80 with shipping and a fan |
| 21:43:03 | doughecka | wow? |
| 21:43:05 | doughecka | er |
| 21:43:16 | doughecka | 80 with the same mobo and chip and fan? |
| 21:43:17 | patlabor221 | ohhno that's an SEM |
| 21:43:18 | patlabor221 | NM |
| 21:43:21 | doughecka | ok |
| 21:43:29 | doughecka | I saw all those.. |
| 21:43:36 | doughecka | I sorted my list by that mobo |
| 21:43:43 | doughecka | by the ECS mobo |
| 21:43:49 | patlabor221 | 96.98 with fan |
| 21:43:50 | doughecka | so I could just see those |
| 21:43:51 | patlabor221 | and shoping |
| 21:43:56 | doughecka | hmm |
| 21:44:04 | doughecka | BZBOYZ? |
| 21:44:09 | doughecka | that the place? |
| 21:44:14 | patlabor221 | econoPC |
| 21:44:16 | doughecka | hmm |
| 21:44:18 | patlabor221 | http://www.econopc.com/applications/search/itemdetails.asp?sku=MCECDU1GZ&sc=pr |
| 21:44:25 | doughecka | same mobok |
| 21:44:25 | doughecka | k |
| 21:44:33 | iLLf8d | http://home.earthlink.net/~nix4ever/files/k7s5a |
| 21:44:48 | iLLf8d | that was my final response letter to him and his reply to my initial letter |
| 21:44:50 | mandy | byeee |
| 21:45:21 | doughecka | hmm |
| 21:45:46 | doughecka | well |
| 21:45:50 | patlabor221 | interesting |
| 21:45:51 | iLLf8d | actually there was another letter too hmm |
| 21:45:54 | doughecka | it might have been chance |
| 21:45:58 | patlabor221 | well I've installed lin on one of mine |
| 21:46:02 | iLLf8d | dunno if I still ahve that one |
| 21:46:02 | patlabor221 | I have 2 of them |
| 21:46:12 | doughecka | I dont need sound/lan |
| 21:46:15 | iLLf8d | yeah I know others who've use it successfully |
| 21:46:19 | doughecka | I have lan/sound cards |
| 21:46:24 | iLLf8d | I think it's just hit or miss really |
| 21:46:28 | iLLf8d | either get a good one or a turd |
| 21:46:31 | patlabor221 | then turn them off |
| 21:46:39 | doughecka | k |
| 21:46:39 | patlabor221 | there must have been a bad batch |
| 21:46:59 | doughecka | hmm |
| 21:47:10 | doughecka | the photo on that econo website |
| 21:47:14 | patlabor221 | now I've seen dimms go bad |
| 21:47:17 | doughecka | are the durons really that big? |
| 21:47:24 | patlabor221 | and that cause problems like they install |
| 21:47:29 | doughecka | to scale of the mobo? |
| 21:47:46 | patlabor221 | do you think that it would fit in that slot then? |
| 21:47:56 | doughecka | hmm, it might hangover... |
| 21:48:13 | patlabor221 | they are the same size as a PIII/Celly |
| 21:48:17 | doughecka | ok |
| 21:48:19 | patlabor221 | they take the same fand |
| 21:48:21 | patlabor221 | fans |
| 21:48:24 | doughecka | hm |
| 21:48:24 | doughecka | ok |
| 21:48:34 | doughecka | also, 33 bucks for shipping? |
| 21:48:36 | doughecka | hehe |
| 21:48:47 | patlabor221 | ??? |
| 21:48:48 | doughecka | hmm |
| 21:48:55 | patlabor221 | what are you doing UPS red? |
| 21:48:59 | doughecka | 8 bucks for shipping, but does not include insurence |
| 21:49:05 | doughecka | :( |
| 21:49:12 | doughecka | USPS too, would that matter? |
| 21:49:13 | patlabor221 | ups Auto insures stuff that's under 100 |
| 21:49:17 | patlabor221 | ick |
| 21:49:22 | patlabor221 | USPS sucks |
| 21:49:25 | patlabor221 | no tracking |
| 21:49:27 | doughecka | hmm |
| 21:49:36 | doughecka | I think.. |
| 21:49:42 | doughecka | the other prices are very high |
| 21:49:57 | doughecka | UPS is 19 bucks |
| 21:50:19 | doughecka | $108.06 total |
| 21:50:54 | patlabor221 | how do you know that it's USPS? |
| 21:51:03 | doughecka | hmm |
| 21:51:05 | doughecka | STANDARD 10-14 DAYS DELIVERY - UN-INSURED: Customer must understand that by choosing this shipping method, the customer acknowledges that he/she is waiving all rights to claim any damages to the package and the contents inside, as well as package or product loss during shipping. Customer is also releasing EconoPC from all responsibilities and liabilities once the package has been shipped from EconoPC's warehouse. Delivery time may be as l |
| 21:51:18 | patlabor221 | that sucks |
| 21:51:22 | doughecka | yea |
| 21:51:33 | doughecka | I am guessing its USPS |
| 21:51:42 | doughecka | UPS is $19 |
| 21:51:48 | doughecka | hmm |
| 21:52:21 | doughecka | $97.22 for the plain old USPS shipping |
| 21:52:31 | doughecka | 10 bucks cheaper... |
| 21:53:44 | doughecka | $112,339.37 |
| 21:53:49 | doughecka | whoops |
| 21:54:02 | doughecka | 7000 just to ship |
| 21:55:46 | patlabor221 | needs a decent walk cycle |
| 21:55:52 | doughecka | eh |
| 21:58:42 | patlabor221 | you heard me |
| 21:58:58 | doughecka | heh |
| 21:59:03 | doughecka | fergot the h |
| 22:01:20 | patlabor221 | wow $200 for a bip that better be some good motion |
| 22:01:32 | doughecka | ? |
| 22:01:53 | patlabor221 | Biped Motion file |
| 22:02:02 | doughecka | hmm... |
| 22:02:42 | doughecka | hmm, well, off to dinnah |
| 22:02:50 | doughecka | thx fer all the help ;) |
| 22:03:01 | patlabor221 | have fun |
| 22:03:04 | doughecka | you nearly got me to spend more money! |
| 22:03:06 | doughecka | ;) |
| 22:03:11 | doughecka | hehe |
| 22:03:21 | doughecka | but then you saved money... |
| 22:03:26 | doughecka | ;) |
| 22:03:33 | patlabor221 | how did I save mony? |
| 22:03:45 | doughecka | found a cheaper combo |
| 22:03:54 | patlabor221 | you saved money |
| 22:03:58 | patlabor221 | not I |
| 22:03:58 | doughecka | ok, you saved my money |
| 22:04:03 | patlabor221 | there you go |
| 22:04:08 | doughecka | grammer class... |
| 22:04:17 | doughecka | :P |
| 22:04:36 | doughecka | ahhh, todays menu..... tuna! |
| 22:04:55 | doughecka | stir fried in a tangy sauce |
| 22:05:06 | doughecka | and mixed with lots of veggies |
| 22:05:20 | patlabor221 | I'm very happy for you |
| 22:05:24 | doughecka | gulps and enters the kitcen |
| 22:05:35 | doughecka | is away: dinnah time! |
| 22:09:14 | patlabor221 | I find it interesting that in the Halo2 teaser trailer a very specific city in Washington state takes a direct hit from an orbital bombardment. |
| 22:09:36 | doughecka | which one? |
| 22:09:44 | patlabor221 | redmond |
| 22:09:55 | doughecka | muahahaha |
| 22:10:07 | patlabor221 | do you know who owns bungie? |
| 22:10:21 | doughecka | nop |
| 22:10:23 | doughecka | nope |
| 22:10:26 | patlabor221 | microsoft. |
| 22:10:32 | doughecka | hmm |
| 22:10:35 | doughecka | sucide? |
| 22:10:44 | patlabor221 | I guess |
| 22:10:54 | doughecka | gates is getting old maybe... |
| 22:11:06 | doughecka | oh yea, heres a good site... http://webpal.org |
| 22:11:08 | patlabor221 | still as long as it's got the line "There' everywhere" I'll get the game |
| 22:11:32 | doughecka | hehe |
| 22:11:33 | patlabor221 | and a shotgun |
| 22:11:36 | doughecka | ok |
| 22:11:39 | patlabor221 | gotta have the shotgun |
| 22:11:45 | doughecka | is away: dinnah |
| 22:11:47 | doughecka | yea you do |
| 22:13:18 | doughecka | you ship that drive yet? just wonderin.. |
| 22:14:06 | doughecka | is away: dinner |
| 22:21:12 | lurgyman | you know what else is away? voyager 2 |
| 22:21:53 | lurgyman | hippety hop hop hippety hop hop look at llama go... |
| 22:22:05 | lurgyman | llama man, llama man, he can do anything a llama can... |
| 22:22:25 | patlabor221 | when the hell did I write a 3d portal engine?!?! |
| 22:22:34 | lurgyman | a week ago last thursday |
| 22:22:39 | patlabor221 | is amazed at the things he has forgten |
| 22:23:03 | captain_proton | 3d portal engine? |
| 22:23:08 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 22:23:26 | captain_proton | scanline: bwahahahahahahaha - fear me |
| 22:23:28 | patlabor221 | well 2.5 d I guess |
| 22:23:40 | scanline | captain_proton: too late |
| 22:23:40 | captain_proton | patlabor221: explain what a 3d portal engine is |
| 22:23:43 | patlabor221 | cells made out of 2 polys with ehights |
| 22:23:55 | patlabor221 | ohh youve never heard of them |
| 22:24:02 | patlabor221 | puts on the teaching hat |
| 22:24:13 | patlabor221 | its usualy an interior only thinkg |
| 22:24:20 | scanline | patlabor221: is this the raycasting sort of portal rendering engine? |
| 22:24:31 | patlabor221 | evolution of it |
| 22:24:35 | lurgyman | lights teaching hat on fire and throws it at a large green squirrel |
| 22:24:37 | patlabor221 | but that's where it started |
| 22:24:42 | jzaun | http://jzaun.com/bzflag2/list.php <-- What should I do to make that easier to navigate? |
| 22:24:44 | scanline | I was really into raycasting a while ago... |
| 22:24:54 | patlabor221 | this one uses hardware |
| 22:24:56 | patlabor221 | ok ready? |
| 22:24:58 | patlabor221 | cap? |
| 22:25:26 | patlabor221 | you define the world as a bunch of intercontected "cells" or rooms |
| 22:25:43 | scanline | like doom, but with OpenGL? |
| 22:25:49 | scanline | the doom engine was cool... |
| 22:26:02 | patlabor221 | and you define the conections between these cells as portals ( in full 3d, they end up being polygons) |
| 22:26:11 | patlabor221 | better then the doom engine, no BSP |
| 22:26:20 | patlabor221 | so you start from the cell you are in |
| 22:26:25 | patlabor221 | and render it |
| 22:26:46 | patlabor221 | then if any portals are in your frustum, you clip the frustum to that portal |
| 22:27:00 | patlabor221 | and then render the room that the portal goes to |
| 22:27:13 | captain_proton | jzaun: insert the page # you're on as normal text at the bottom |
| 22:27:13 | lurgyman | sets to work calculating gamma blending by hand |
| 22:27:31 | patlabor221 | and you keep doing that untill you run out of portals that are in frustum |
| 22:27:57 | patlabor221 | in my case since the world is realy just 2d polys, I just keep cliping down the view angle |
| 22:27:58 | jzaun | like that? |
| 22:28:04 | scanline | patlabor221: I swear I'm going to write one of those someday :P |
| 22:28:14 | lurgyman | i want to clipe something |
| 22:28:14 | captain_proton | jzaun: yep |
| 22:28:17 | scanline | used to be (and still is to a great extent) a 3D engine nut |
| 22:28:21 | captain_proton | change the link color to be brighter |
| 22:28:26 | patlabor221 | I also made a hardware accellerated wolfenstine type thung |
| 22:28:26 | scanline | just never have the time to actually write anything... |
| 22:28:40 | patlabor221 | based on simple ray casters |
| 22:28:41 | jzaun | captain_proton: will work on that next... you should login and fill out your stuff |
| 22:28:42 | scanline | patlabor221: raycasting is a lot more fun to do without hardware acceleration |
| 22:28:54 | patlabor221 | fun yes |
| 22:28:55 | patlabor221 | slow yes |
| 22:29:03 | captain_proton | indeedy |
| 22:29:16 | scanline | yeah, but if you're doing it in hardware anyway might as well do a full 6DOF engine |
| 22:29:22 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 22:29:28 | scanline | raycasting is all about nostalgia now! |
| 22:29:30 | scanline | and slow hardware... |
| 22:29:40 | patlabor221 | it's just I didn't have a nice way to make an editor that would give me 3d portals |
| 22:29:47 | scanline | I've been thinking about doing a raycaster in ARM assembly |
| 22:29:56 | patlabor221 | I jused our CAD/CAM software to make the world :) |
| 22:29:58 | lurgyman | trades video cards with scanline so scanline can do more raycasting |
| 22:30:04 | scanline | hehehe |
| 22:30:11 | scanline | lurgyman: this raycaster would be for my Zaurus :) |
| 22:30:33 | patlabor221 | ohh I think you can cram a GF2 go in there. |
| 22:30:36 | lurgyman | scanine: great, then you don't need your vidcard at all |
| 22:30:36 | scanline | I've also been thinking about writing GLX and DRI drivers for the 3D accelerator chip in the Dreamcast |
| 22:30:48 | scanline | lurgyman: what card do you have? |
| 22:30:48 | patlabor221 | its just a PoverVR |
| 22:30:58 | scanline | patlabor221: not really... |
| 22:31:02 | lurgyman | scanline: quality (TM) voodoo 3 2000 |
| 22:31:04 | patlabor221 | well close to ti |
| 22:31:17 | patlabor221 | shit I got a voodo 5 in a drawr |
| 22:31:20 | scanline | patlabor221: it's different from the desktop PowerVRs, and there's a "store queue" in the CPU to shuffle data fast to it.. both need drivers |
| 22:31:29 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 22:31:51 | patlabor221 | but it still uses the "infinate plane" stuff |
| 22:31:57 | scanline | patlabor221: I tried messing around with it from userspace, but hit my head on the store queues.. don't know enough about kernels yet to write the kernel driver |
| 22:31:58 | patlabor221 | or scan buffers |
| 22:31:58 | jzaun | brb |
| 22:32:05 | scanline | patlabor221: right.. tile buffers and such |
| 22:32:23 | lurgyman | buffs some tiles by hand |
| 22:32:28 | scanline | yet another thing on my list of stuff I want to make is a 3D accelerator implementation that uses scanline buffers, in an FPGA |
| 22:32:43 | patlabor221 | right before they anounced that chipset me and my old room mate had just figured out how to do the same thing in software |
| 22:32:47 | scanline | well. initially it would just be a 2D accelerator... |
| 22:32:54 | scanline | patlabor221: hehe |
| 22:32:59 | lurgyman | FPGA: the Foobar Professional Golfing Association |
| 22:33:19 | patlabor221 | we were like "look this is the coollest thing we thought of...... oh and there it is in hardware" |
| 22:34:46 | patlabor221 | sweet mother of god, I put a sprite in my 3d engine |
| 22:34:49 | patlabor221 | how odd |
| 22:34:55 | scanline | lurgyman: FPGAs are really cool.. I've been tinkering with them occasionally for a year or so |
| 22:35:15 | scanline | still no good at golf... |
| 22:35:37 | lurgyman | scanline: well, i've been not tinkering with FPGAs for 18 years now and consider myself an expert |
| 22:35:38 | patlabor221 | what is a FPGA realy? |
| 22:35:49 | scanline | field programmable gate array |
| 22:35:59 | patlabor221 | and that means? |
| 22:36:01 | scanline | it's dynamic hardware you can reprogram in software |
| 22:36:05 | patlabor221 | ahhhh |
| 22:36:16 | scanline | like.. draw a schematic or write some hardware description code, download it to the FPGA, and it runs |
| 22:36:33 | patlabor221 | so you can test out stuff |
| 22:36:35 | patlabor221 | that's cool |
| 22:36:49 | lurgyman | so like a golf club that could be reprogrammed, in hardware, to give maximum power to pork? |
| 22:38:00 | patlabor221 | lookit my little engine thing |
| 22:38:01 | patlabor221 | http://www.artemisgames.com/lookit.jpg |
| 22:38:25 | captain_proton | sets up nameservers for his shiny brand new domain |
| 22:38:42 | patlabor221 | capn'tpants.net? |
| 22:38:50 | scanline | patlabor221: cute |
| 22:39:16 | lurgyman | george w. bush; cute |
| 22:39:28 | lurgyman | s/\;/\:/ |
| 22:39:35 | patlabor221 | can you make an auto iditot filter in hardware? |
| 22:39:46 | scanline | not sure yet.. |
| 22:39:57 | scanline | I've been mainly messing with graphics stuff in the FPGA |
| 22:40:37 | scanline | is away: food? of course not... |
| 22:40:38 | captain_proton | bzflag.net :) |
| 22:41:12 | patlabor221 | why has noone picked up the .com one? |
| 22:41:16 | captain_proton | dunno |
| 22:42:24 | lurgyman | iz bzflag a corporation? or bizniss? no. |
| 22:43:28 | patlabor221 | is cap a network? |
| 22:43:36 | captain_proton | yes |
| 22:44:27 | doughecka | nope |
| 22:44:36 | doughecka | erk |
| 22:44:45 | doughecka | nobody has gotten bzflag.com |
| 22:44:49 | doughecka | I am thionking of getting it |
| 22:44:49 | captain_proton | hurtyflurtyschnipschnip |
| 22:45:30 | jzaun | back |
| 22:45:42 | doughecka | yo |
| 22:46:00 | jzaun | captain_proton: you haven't logedin yet :-( |
| 22:46:04 | doughecka | patlabor221: looks neat |
| 22:46:15 | doughecka | looks like quake 1 |
| 22:46:18 | doughecka | :) |
| 22:46:21 | captain_proton | jzaun: been wrestling with zone files |
| 22:46:30 | patlabor221 | no worse then Q1 |
| 22:46:33 | jzaun | captain_proton: oh, fun |
| 22:46:35 | doughecka | yea |
| 22:46:37 | patlabor221 | no brides |
| 22:46:43 | doughecka | hehe |
| 22:46:43 | patlabor221 | and no angled things |
| 22:46:48 | doughecka | hmm |
| 22:46:59 | captain_proton | jzaun: you should change the password fields to <input type="password"> |
| 22:47:02 | doughecka | a rocket landed in my yard... |
| 22:47:11 | doughecka | better give it back |
| 22:47:32 | patlabor221 | the engine can NOT have briges at all |
| 22:47:50 | doughecka | oh yea, did you answer me 'bout that drive? |
| 22:47:57 | patlabor221 | nope |
| 22:48:00 | doughecka | ok |
| 22:48:09 | doughecka | well, did you ship it? |
| 22:48:16 | jzaun | captain_proton: done |
| 22:48:20 | doughecka | (nope) |
| 22:48:43 | captain_proton | waits patiently for his dns info to propagate |
| 22:48:44 | patlabor221 | I'm sorry but only 1 question oever 15 min |
| 22:48:52 | patlabor221 | propogate |
| 22:48:55 | patlabor221 | that sounds dirty |
| 22:49:16 | jzaun | So, captain_proton, whats it like on the moon? |
| 22:49:40 | captain_proton | jzaun: another thing - you should sort the server list (under server info) alphabetically |
| 22:49:43 | captain_proton | jzaun: cold |
| 22:50:09 | jzaun | captain_proton: your little script didn't do that for me :-( |
| 22:50:22 | captain_proton | :P |
| 22:50:26 | captain_proton | shouldn't be too hard |
| 22:50:31 | captain_proton | build an array, sort, then output the html |
| 22:50:32 | jzaun | so you say |
| 22:51:18 | captain_proton | hopefully tomorrow i can start a server at bzflag.net :) |
| 22:51:31 | jzaun | captain_proton: How do you recommend I make the map graphics? |
| 22:51:43 | jzaun | Ide like to do it on the fly from the map file |
| 22:51:47 | captain_proton | hmmmmm |
| 22:51:56 | jzaun | in php |
| 22:52:02 | captain_proton | in php? ewe |
| 22:52:07 | captain_proton | possible, but ewe |
| 22:52:33 | jzaun | I;de like to not have to store them |
| 22:52:38 | jzaun | eats up HD space |
| 22:52:52 | captain_proton | better to store - generating every visit will use up a lot of processor |
| 22:53:23 | jzaun | well I could add another BLOB in the table to store it |
| 22:53:33 | jzaun | but still would like to auto-generate it |
| 22:53:37 | jzaun | in php |
| 22:53:55 | captain_proton | checks up on gnomedesktop.org |
| 22:54:49 | patlabor221 | I know that you cold do it in ASP if you ahd an imaging compoenent |
| 22:55:01 | patlabor221 | but bastily you would have to read the file and draw to a temp image |
| 22:55:06 | captain_proton | its certainly possible |
| 22:55:15 | patlabor221 | and I agreee ewww. |
| 22:55:16 | captain_proton | php has a (fairly decent) set of image calls |
| 22:55:18 | captain_proton | but its gross |
| 22:55:46 | jzaun | yah, but I'de like it all to be done without needing other script/apps |
| 22:55:48 | patlabor221 | bbl |
| 22:56:13 | jzaun | besides captain_proton said last night he would whip on up for me :-D |
| 23:01:54 | doughecka | ok |
| 23:01:59 | doughecka | its been 15 min |
| 23:03:20 | doughecka | is away: busy |
| 23:03:41 | BZFlag | captain_proton: today you could start one at *.bzflag.org ;-) |
| 23:04:08 | BZFlag | registers bzflag.com just cause he can... |
| 23:04:54 | jzaun | should get all bzflags that there are |
| 23:04:58 | jzaun | just incase |
| 23:05:53 | BZFlag | is happy with .org and .com captain_proton can have .net go grab .cc etc if you like. ;-) |
| 23:06:03 | captain_proton | BZFlag: haha .cc :) |
| 23:06:19 | BZFlag | hey, it's shorter. ;-) |
| 23:06:39 | jzaun | whern is *.bzflag coming? |
| 23:06:48 | captain_proton | ooh |
| 23:06:51 | captain_proton | a bzflag TLD :) |
| 23:07:05 | BZFlag | bzflag.me would be cool. |
| 23:07:10 | | BZFlag: sorry... |
| 23:07:10 | BZFlag | ibot country .me |
| 23:07:19 | BZFlag | aw, no .me tld? |
| 23:07:34 | BZFlag | quick, start a new country! |
| 23:07:44 | jzaun | hehe |
| 23:07:53 | jzaun | captain_proton could, he lives on the moon |
| 23:08:20 | jzaun | http://jzaun.com/bzflag2/player.php?callsign=%5Bmeq%5D+captain+proton see |
| 23:09:36 | jzaun | Hmm... need something to go on the front page of the new site |
| 23:09:45 | BZFlag | starts Young Opportunistic Union Republican States Electoriat Limited Federation and requests .yourself |
| 23:10:00 | jzaun | hehe |
| 23:10:04 | jzaun | that took some thought |
| 23:10:14 | BZFlag | hehe, you bet it did. ;-) |
| 23:11:04 | jzaun | now, make one for .universe :-P |
| 23:12:13 | BZFlag | United National Independant Virtual Established Republican States Enterprise. |
| 23:12:39 | BZFlag | it didn't have to make sense now, did it? |
| 23:12:47 | jzaun | heh |
| 23:13:08 | jzaun | ok, try Civilizations, makeing sense.... |
| 23:13:43 | captain_proton | .socks\ |
| 23:14:05 | BZFlag | me sticks to Metaphysical Enterprise and gets .me |
| 23:14:20 | BZFlag | me@mail.me |
| 23:14:50 | BZFlag | you@pay.me cherry@call.me the possibilities are endless. |
| 23:15:02 | captain_proton | heh |
| 23:15:04 | jzaun | now that last one//// |
| 23:15:22 | jzaun | It could have, adult, implications |
| 23:15:32 | BZFlag | you think? ;-) |
| 23:16:18 | jzaun | oohh... I know what you could do for me BZFlag :-) |
| 23:16:22 | jzaun | Wana do it? |
| 23:16:33 | jzaun | its not a dirty thing.... |
| 23:16:33 | BZFlag | in that context? perhaps not. ;-) |
| 23:16:36 | captain_proton | hahahaha |
| 23:16:49 | captain_proton | stats.bzflag.org :) |
| 23:16:52 | jzaun | I knew that was comeing |
| 23:17:12 | BZFlag | sure. stats.bzflag.org would be cool. |
| 23:17:17 | jzaun | yah it would |
| 23:17:24 | captain_proton | needs a prettier web page though ;) |
| 23:17:36 | jzaun | but the site is gonna do more than just that when done |
| 23:17:38 | captain_proton | perhaps throw your pages in cvs too |
| 23:17:40 | jzaun | Yah I know it does |
| 23:17:48 | captain_proton | like a fox! |
| 23:17:51 | jzaun | I've been working on functionallity right now |
| 23:18:13 | captain_proton | will make something purdy for ya |
| 23:18:24 | jzaun | But, BZFlag, you could write up a pharagraph or two to the community I could put on the front page |
| 23:18:47 | jzaun | captain_proton: Thanks, so thats the cool design and map graphic making php function |
| 23:18:56 | captain_proton | snickers |
| 23:19:02 | BZFlag | ugh. write one yourself and I'll decide if I'll sign it. ;-) |
| 23:19:06 | captain_proton | deeener time |
| 23:19:11 | jzaun | captain_proton: For the design stuff... |
| 23:19:34 | jzaun | captain_proton: I would need 2 functions page_start ($title); and page_end() |
| 23:19:47 | jzaun | they are at the top and bottm of every page |
| 23:20:03 | jzaun | BZFlag: its not the same if I write it |
| 23:21:53 | BZFlag | heh. well, email me and I'll think about it. |
| 23:22:20 | jzaun | heh, think about it and email it to me jzaun@jzaun.com :-P |
| 23:22:44 | doughecka | haha |
| 23:23:09 | jzaun | BZFlag: so, howcome you haven't played in the past 2 days? |
| 23:23:34 | doughecka | haha |
| 23:24:14 | doughecka | does the original bzflag develeper ever play? |
| 23:24:51 | doughecka | crs I think |
| 23:24:56 | | crs was last seen on #bzflag 193 days, 21 hours, 14 minutes and 46 seconds ago, saying: what's wrong with it captain_proton? [Sat Mar 2 02:10:10 2002] |
| 23:24:56 | doughecka | ibot seen crs |
| 23:24:58 | BZFlag | crs? he's got a new job now, and so he's busy |
| 23:25:03 | doughecka | oh |
| 23:25:15 | BZFlag | he used to play a lot in the office, but not much on the public servers. |
| 23:25:19 | doughecka | hmm |
| 23:25:27 | BZFlag | he useses crs23 when he does play. |
| 23:25:30 | BZFlag | er uses |
| 23:25:32 | doughecka | ok |
| 23:26:12 | BZFlag | I'm firewalled here at work, so I only get on from home. Lately I've been swamped so I've not gotten on from home either. |
| 23:26:33 | | crs23 was last seen on #bzflag 65 days, 2 hours, 15 minutes and 20 seconds ago, saying: Widget: yes, just put the script in there. [Mon Jul 8 22:11:13 2002] |
| 23:26:33 | BZFlag | ibot: seen crs23 |
| 23:26:46 | doughecka | ah |
| 23:26:54 | doughecka | hmm |
| 23:27:04 | doughecka | what does crs mean? |
| 23:27:19 | BZFlag | Chris Schoeneman. don't know the middle name |
| 23:27:24 | doughecka | oh |
| 23:27:29 | doughecka | grins |
| 23:27:33 | BZFlag | we've never actually met either. |
| 23:27:37 | doughecka | never? |
| 23:27:40 | doughecka | wow |
| 23:28:01 | BZFlag | nope. I just started doing more patches than Chris wanted to deal with, so he passed the whole project to me. |
| 23:28:22 | BZFlag | He never liked the admin side, so there were no public CVS trees or anything before. |
| 23:28:40 | doughecka | haha |
| 23:28:47 | BZFlag | I'd be making patches of the released sources, and crs would have changed things... it was fun. ;-) |
| 23:28:57 | doughecka | lol |
| 23:29:01 | doughecka | email is sent! |
| 23:29:21 | doughecka | erk, let me change that |
| 23:29:38 | doughecka | have the ip goto heck.no-ip.com instead |
| 23:29:53 | doughecka | so I can change the ip without bothering people about it |
| 23:29:58 | BZFlag | So I encouraged him to GPL it, and he agreed. I setup the SF site, and right around then he transferred the copyright over to me and started forwarding any support/license/etc emails to me. |
| 23:29:59 | doughecka | ;) |
| 23:30:10 | BZFlag | no-ip ? |
| 23:30:10 | doughecka | cool |
| 23:30:12 | doughecka | yea |
| 23:30:31 | doughecka | for ip address that change, or for something easy to remember |
| 23:30:33 | patlabor221 | don't you need an IP for a DNS |
| 23:30:42 | patlabor221 | a static IP? |
| 23:30:46 | doughecka | yea |
| 23:30:53 | doughecka | but I would like it to go there |
| 23:31:03 | patlabor221 | is that posible? |
| 23:31:09 | doughecka | sure |
| 23:31:13 | patlabor221 | can a DNS forward? |
| 23:31:19 | doughecka | hmm |
| 23:31:24 | doughecka | I dunno about that |
| 23:31:25 | patlabor221 | to another DNS |
| 23:31:32 | patlabor221 | that'w what you are asking for |
| 23:31:48 | doughecka | sure, anything is possible with computers ;) |
| 23:31:56 | doughecka | almost... |
| 23:32:03 | patlabor221 | yes but with standard DNS servers? |
| 23:32:15 | doughecka | hmm |
| 23:32:25 | doughecka | I dunno |
| 23:32:32 | doughecka | BZFlag: is that OK? |
| 23:32:32 | patlabor221 | the people at noIP hace there own stuff for non statics |
| 23:32:42 | doughecka | oh? |
| 23:32:49 | BZFlag | try "host heckaman.bzflag.org" now. |
| 23:32:52 | doughecka | I have had not problems with them... |
| 23:32:53 | doughecka | ok |
| 23:32:58 | | BZFlag: what? |
| 23:32:58 | BZFlag | ibot: host heckaman.bzflag.org |
| 23:33:05 | BZFlag | ibot: nslookup heckaman.bzflag.org |
| 23:33:05 | doughecka | woo |
| 23:33:07 | | heckaman.bzflag.org is 208.147.39.133 |
| 23:33:08 | doughecka | it works! |
| 23:33:16 | doughecka | http://heckaman.bzflag.org |
| 23:33:21 | doughecka | thanks |
| 23:33:28 | doughecka | that goes to no-ip or my ip? |
| 23:33:41 | patlabor221 | that's the question |
| 23:33:54 | patlabor221 | looks like it re routs it to no IP |
| 23:33:56 | patlabor221 | so you are good |
| 23:33:58 | BZFlag | http://heckaman.bzflag.org/bza32.jpg ? |
| 23:33:59 | patlabor221 | that's rather cool |
| 23:34:04 | doughecka | cool |
| 23:34:08 | doughecka | BZFlag: patlabor221s |
| 23:34:15 | BZFlag | it's a cname for the no-ip one. |
| 23:34:24 | doughecka | I better remove it or put a link up or somethin |
| 23:34:31 | doughecka | BZFlag: ok... |
| 23:34:35 | BZFlag | ie: yes, it forwards. ;-) |
| 23:34:38 | doughecka | well, cya in a bit... |
| 23:34:40 | patlabor221 | awwww look at my purddy screen shot |
| 23:34:58 | doughecka | is away: bllleh! |
| 23:35:08 | patlabor221 | runing on horible hardware :) |
| 23:35:44 | patlabor221 | hmm compas fonts are jacked on that one too |
| 23:36:28 | BZFlag | wonders what EP2.avi is |
| 23:36:44 | patlabor221 | proalby something illeagal |
| 23:36:45 | BZFlag | what's bza anyway? |
| 23:36:56 | patlabor221 | the temp name for my test app |
| 23:37:08 | BZFlag | heh |
| 23:37:09 | patlabor221 | suposed to stand for BZArena |
| 23:37:21 | patlabor221 | http://www.artemisgames.com/bza/ |
| 23:37:22 | BZFlag | ah |
| 23:37:50 | patlabor221 | it has now become a set of cros plat SDL libs that me and cap worked on. |
| 23:39:00 | patlabor221 | but I am now finding that the use of "tanks" is becoming too limiting for gameplay Ideas |
| 23:41:24 | BZFlag | bza is still tanks? so what's the angled shot? rolling over? ;-) |
| 23:41:48 | patlabor221 | wonders exactly how large a robot needs to be to still be considerd "Giant" |
| 23:41:53 | doughecka | EP2.avi is episode2 preview |
| 23:42:08 | BZFlag | ah. didn't want to wait for the DL. ;-) |
| 23:42:16 | doughecka | hehe |
| 23:42:33 | doughecka | its made for handhelds, very small format |
| 23:43:06 | jzaun | agg... 100 shot server |
| 23:43:07 | doughecka | patlabor221: bigger than big |
| 23:43:09 | BZFlag | like the 700M lotr.avi I ripped last night? |
| 23:43:11 | doughecka | jzaun ? |
| 23:43:18 | doughecka | lotr? |
| 23:43:21 | patlabor221 | 700? you put it on one CD? |
| 23:43:29 | patlabor221 | must look horible |
| 23:43:39 | | OK, BZFlag. |
| 23:43:39 | BZFlag | ibot lotr is The Lord of the Rings |
| 23:43:44 | jzaun | I have a 1200M LOTR on CD |
| 23:43:49 | jzaun | Wider screen |
| 23:43:52 | doughecka | how? |
| 23:43:54 | jzaun | Widescreen |
| 23:43:58 | doughecka | BZFlag: wow |
| 23:44:03 | jzaun | and full stereo |
| 23:44:07 | BZFlag | patlabor221: it's for handhelds. I will put it ona udrive and play it on the Zaurus. |
| 23:44:14 | patlabor221 | ahhhh |
| 23:44:16 | patlabor221 | then that makes sense |
| 23:44:25 | doughecka | neat |
| 23:44:31 | patlabor221 | portable hobits |
| 23:44:36 | doughecka | haha |
| 23:44:37 | BZFlag | 256x160 or some such. |
| 23:44:37 | jzaun | BZFlag: I haven't gotten an e-mail from you yet :-( |
| 23:44:52 | doughecka | jzaun: 100 shot server? |
| 23:44:58 | jzaun | doughecka: yah |
| 23:45:01 | BZFlag | the 2*700M divx version I made is acceptable for big screen viewing. |
| 23:45:25 | patlabor221 | yeah, I try to shoot for a 1 cd per hour usualy |
| 23:45:26 | BZFlag | jzaun: where's the site again? |
| 23:45:32 | patlabor221 | then it looks rather nice |
| 23:45:32 | jzaun | BZFlag: Yah but I had mine 2 weeks after it can out in the theaters |
| 23:45:39 | BZFlag | you going to email me to get stats.bzflag.org or not? |
| 23:45:55 | BZFlag | jzaun: the one with the white text? I've got that one too. |
| 23:45:58 | doughecka | you gonna put the divx up on the web? |
| 23:45:59 | blair | proton: mind if i ask a quick q? |
| 23:46:01 | jzaun | I thought I would jsut tell you about stats.bzflag.org |
| 23:46:01 | doughecka | LOL |
| 23:46:08 | blair | anyone familiar with cvs here? |
| 23:46:11 | patlabor221 | now I just need one of these hooked into the TV |
| 23:46:16 | patlabor221 | http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/computing/5a98.shtml |
| 23:46:18 | jzaun | jzaun@jzaun.com is my addr |
| 23:46:18 | BZFlag | jzaun: I file the emails, so I'd like an email. ;-) |
| 23:46:28 | jzaun | BZFlag: ok addr? |
| 23:46:35 | BZFlag | blair: nope, nobody here. ;-) |
| 23:46:36 | doughecka | verble battle of emails! |
| 23:46:43 | doughecka | hides |
| 23:47:08 | doughecka | is away: laughing evily!!! |
| 23:47:14 | jzaun | sent |
| 23:47:15 | iLLf8d | biatch |
| 23:47:15 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 23:47:24 | iLLf8d | damn evil laughers |
| 23:47:42 | blair | BZFlag: sorry, just found it on the web... |
| 23:47:42 | jzaun | waits |
| 23:47:53 | BZFlag | patlabor221: what kinda vid card? |
| 23:48:01 | blair | BZFlag: was frustrated with cvs not pullin my new directories... now using -d |
| 23:48:17 | patlabor221 | just hte little 815 onboad stuff unforntonatly |
| 23:48:21 | BZFlag | blair: I use "cvs up -PdA" normally. |
| 23:48:29 | blair | what is -PdA? |
| 23:48:52 | BZFlag | blair: don't recall. ;-) "man cvs" ? |
| 23:49:06 | BZFlag | -A removes the "sticky bits" |
| 23:49:46 | BZFlag | so sometimes I do "-Pdr v1_7" instead for the 1.7 bzflag branch. |
| 23:49:53 | blair | heh |
| 23:49:56 | patlabor221 | I have seen systems about the size of a small shoe box, that have a full AGP and a PCI slot ont hem |
| 23:50:04 | patlabor221 | and 2 drive bays |
| 23:50:16 | BZFlag | jzaun: ok, jzaun@jzaun.com, stats, and what CNAME? |
| 23:50:24 | jzaun | CNAME? |
| 23:50:27 | blair | anyway, thanks for the game... |
| 23:50:37 | BZFlag | hat do you want it to point ot? |
| 23:50:40 | BZFlag | we what? |
| 23:50:58 | BZFlag | er what... sheesh. |
| 23:51:00 | jzaun | just to my IP... guess I should have put that in the email too :-( |
| 23:51:11 | jzaun | 205.201.58.40 |
| 23:51:37 | BZFlag | by IP or do you have another dns name it should point too? |
| 23:51:49 | jzaun | nah just IP |
| 23:51:54 | BZFlag | ok. one sec... |
| 23:51:58 | jzaun | I'll setup the virtualhost in my config |
| 23:52:08 | captain_proton | returns from deener |
| 23:52:28 | patlabor221 | was it edible? |
| 23:52:35 | jzaun | captain_proton: got the theme and map stuff done :-) |
| 23:52:59 | BZFlag | ibot nslookup stats.bzflag.org |
| 23:52:59 | | I can't find that machine name |
| 23:53:07 | BZFlag | ibot nslookup stats.bzflag.org |
| 23:53:07 | | I can't find that machine name |
| 23:53:29 | jzaun | ibot nslookup stats.bzflag.org |
| 23:53:29 | | I can't find that machine name |
| 23:53:30 | captain_proton | haha |
| 23:53:41 | BZFlag | ibot nslookup stats.bzflag.org |
| 23:53:41 | | I can't find that machine name |
| 23:53:41 | jzaun | ibot nslookup stats.bzflag.org |
| 23:53:41 | | I can't find that machine name |
| 23:54:00 | | BZFlag: sorry... |
| 23:54:00 | BZFlag | ibot: get with the program! |
| 23:54:02 | jzaun | ibot nslookup stats.bzflag.org |
| 23:54:04 | | I can't find that machine name |
| 23:54:41 | captain_proton | pings scanline |
| 23:54:49 | jzaun | ibot nslookup stats.bzflag.org |
| 23:54:50 | | I can't find that machine name |
| 23:54:57 | scanline | pong |
| 23:55:07 | BZFlag | it's probably got the non-entry cached or something. |
| 23:55:14 | captain_proton | good he's functioning |
| 23:55:24 | jzaun | ok I can ping it though |
| 23:55:30 | captain_proton | stats.bzflag.org has address 205.201.58.40 |
| 23:55:34 | scanline | captain_proton: just swapping more cards |
| 23:55:43 | captain_proton | more? |
| 23:55:48 | jzaun | http://stats.bzflag.org works :-) |
| 23:56:53 | mandy | woo |
| 23:56:57 | scanline | captain_proton: yeah.. I can't get my 64-bit PCI working, so I put my gigabit card in a 32-bit slot and removed my SB Live, then decided my onboard sound really did suck as much as I figured it would and traded the SB live and firewire |
| 23:56:58 | mandy | i got the shivers |
| 23:57:01 | BZFlag | yeah, looks like ibot's dns server has the non-existance cached. will be a couple hours before i clears |
| 23:57:24 | doughecka | scanline: ouch |
| 23:57:54 | doughecka | scanline: fun? |
| 23:58:02 | scanline | yes.. seems to be working fine now |
| 23:58:06 | doughecka | hehe |
| 23:58:19 | doughecka | wishes he had a computer that he could play with |
| 23:58:21 | scanline | I'll just use the firewire on my laptop instead of the card, until I get working 64-bit PCI |
| 23:58:26 | doughecka | hehe |
| 23:58:28 | doughecka | brb |
| 23:58:32 | BZFlag | jzaun: hey, the buttons look muh better. what did you do to them? |
| 23:58:49 | jzaun | forced a font size |
| 23:59:34 | | doughecka: huh? |
| 23:59:34 | doughecka | ibot areacode 423 |
| 23:59:38 | doughecka | bah |
| 23:59:42 | | jzaun: huh? |
| 23:59:42 | jzaun | ibot areacode 412 |
