| 00:04:18 | dinah | bobots |
| 00:04:24 | | dinah: huh? |
| 00:04:24 | dinah | ibot: bobota |
| 00:04:27 | | bobots are everywhere! |
| 00:04:27 | dinah | ibot: bobots |
| 00:04:41 | dinah | ;-) yess they certainly are |
| 00:09:24 | doughec | bobots? |
| 00:09:35 | doughec | what are bobots? |
| 00:24:13 | doughec | lo Patlabor221 |
| 00:24:16 | doughec | whois paulj |
| 00:25:29 | Patlabor221 | dono, try asking him |
| 00:25:37 | doughec | ? |
| 00:25:54 | doughec | ask who what, when, and why? |
| 00:26:08 | Patlabor221 | or remeber to put a slash in front of the command when you do a whois and don't want anyone to know |
| 00:26:29 | doughec | ah |
| 00:26:44 | doughec | I dont care if anyone knows |
| 00:26:54 | doughec | I was wondering on how idle he was |
| 00:27:51 | captain_proton | hi all |
| 00:27:54 | doughec | lo ChanServ |
| 00:27:56 | doughec | er |
| 00:27:57 | Patlabor221 | sup capy |
| 00:27:59 | doughec | lo captain_proton |
| 00:28:07 | doughec | hate that tab key... |
| 00:28:30 | | bobots are everywhere! |
| 00:28:30 | Patlabor221 | ibot: what are bobots? |
| 00:28:36 | Patlabor221 | damn right they are |
| 00:28:41 | doughec | but what are they? |
| 00:28:41 | dinah | ;-) |
| 00:28:42 | captain_proton | whats a bobot? |
| 00:28:45 | doughec | bobot? |
| 00:28:49 | Patlabor221 | mighty eveil bobots |
| 00:28:55 | doughec | ah |
| 00:28:58 | Patlabor221 | you'd know one if you saw it |
| 00:28:59 | doughec | I, um, see... |
| 00:29:04 | Patlabor221 | then you better run |
| 00:29:12 | doughec | heh |
| 00:30:22 | captain_proton | hrms at clipping |
| 00:33:21 | | bobots are everywhere! |
| 00:33:21 | dinah | ibot: bobots |
| 00:33:39 | Patlabor221 | where?!!! |
| 00:33:47 | Patlabor221 | I got my sword ready for them |
| 00:33:53 | doughec | heh |
| 00:33:55 | | mighty eveil bobots are even worse than regular bobots |
| 00:33:55 | dinah | ibot: mighty eveil bobots |
| 00:34:04 | doughec | lol |
| 00:35:45 | | Patlabor221 and dinah are the masters of the bobots |
| 00:35:45 | dinah | ibot: Patlabor221 and dinah? |
| 00:36:02 | | doughec, I didn't have anything matching 'everything you knwo' |
| 00:36:02 | doughec | ibot forget everything you knwo |
| 00:36:14 | captain_proton | is a bobot like a dalek? |
| 00:36:21 | doughec | hrm |
| 00:36:21 | Patlabor221 | perhaps |
| 00:36:31 | doughec | cousin, I think |
| 00:36:35 | Patlabor221 | if it was a tuesday |
| 00:36:38 | dinah | captain_proton: do you have gaim? ill teach you about bobots |
| 00:37:02 | captain_proton | dinah: i do, but i'm not at home now |
| 00:37:11 | Patlabor221 | cap why are you in japan? |
| 00:37:14 | jacques | i have gaim |
| 00:37:18 | Patlabor221 | vacation? |
| 00:37:31 | dinah | do you have the voice plugin jacques? |
| 00:37:33 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: mostly |
| 00:37:41 | jacques | dinah: wow there's a voive plugin?? |
| 00:37:43 | jacques | voice |
| 00:37:48 | Patlabor221 | that there is |
| 00:37:49 | doughec | lol |
| 00:37:57 | doughec | is there a gaim client for windowz? |
| 00:38:01 | doughec | (lol) |
| 00:38:02 | Patlabor221 | nope |
| 00:38:06 | Patlabor221 | your SOL man |
| 00:38:08 | doughec | thought so |
| 00:38:15 | dinah | jacques: yes get it ill introduce you to the bobots |
| 00:38:24 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 00:38:33 | jacques | dinah: unfortunately I am at work right now and I dont have sound (or a mike) here |
| 00:38:33 | captain_proton | voip probably wouldn't work too well over my 56k |
| 00:38:38 | Patlabor221 | me thinks that that's the best mispelling he's ever made |
| 00:38:50 | doughec | lol |
| 00:39:26 | dinah | you dont need a mic it just says what you type |
| 00:39:50 | jacques | dinah: what does it use for voice synthesis ? |
| 00:40:00 | dinah | sounds like stephen hawking... |
| 00:40:04 | jacques | lol |
| 00:40:18 | dinah | http://elrincondetux.d2g.com/tigrux/festival-gaim/en/index.html |
| 00:40:25 | jacques | ah festival |
| 00:40:41 | dinah | grab the gaim plugin... ;-) see the ibot: bobots? |
| 00:40:45 | doughec | ah, thought so... |
| 00:40:56 | Patlabor221 | you thought what? |
| 00:41:16 | doughec | its was festival |
| 00:41:17 | dinah | grab the gaim plugin... ;-) see the ibot: bobots? |
| 00:41:22 | doughec | I installed it... |
| 00:41:27 | | bobots are everywhere! |
| 00:41:27 | dinah | ibot: bobots? |
| 00:41:27 | Patlabor221 | on windows? |
| 00:41:34 | doughec | linux |
| 00:41:45 | Patlabor221 | then why don't you use gaim on linux? |
| 00:41:56 | doughec | I am not running linux right now |
| 00:43:04 | captain_proton | votes for bzflag |
| 00:43:14 | doughec | hrm |
| 00:43:15 | dinah | votes for captain_proton |
| 00:43:23 | captain_proton | points to the topic |
| 00:43:36 | doughec | votes for bzflag |
| 00:44:07 | Patlabor221 | votes for bobots |
| 00:44:22 | doughec | kills all the bobots |
| 00:44:23 | dinah | prepares to unleash the bobots |
| 00:44:34 | Patlabor221 | and you wish you knew how |
| 00:45:03 | Patlabor221 | cap how did your server stuff go? |
| 00:45:10 | doughec | kills all the bobots that use gaim |
| 00:46:08 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: server stuff? |
| 00:46:27 | Patlabor221 | the stuff you were doing last ngiht |
| 00:46:37 | jacques | captain_proton: I already voted :-) |
| 00:47:20 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: ahh, it appears to work |
| 00:47:33 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: soon as i get this clipping stuff fixed i'll commit it |
| 00:51:46 | dinah | has to go soon... |
| 00:52:04 | doughec | cya dinah |
| 00:59:42 | doughec | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 00:59:42 | bzbot | uboat (Green):0 (0 wins, 0 losses). |
| 00:59:48 | doughec | oh great |
| 01:00:22 | captain_proton | *sings* u-boat, you're not even a true-boat... |
| 01:01:38 | captain_proton | and the guns of August where a WHOLE LOT LOUDER than the guns or June or July... |
| 01:01:44 | captain_proton | ok, /me is done now |
| 01:01:59 | doughec | lol |
| 01:02:18 | doughec | hrm |
| 01:02:27 | captain_proton | stan frebourg is a genius |
| 01:02:35 | doughec | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 01:02:35 | bzbot | Captain Chicken Wing (Red):1 (1 wins, 0 losses). |
| 01:03:15 | doughec | widget? ducati? |
| 01:30:06 | doughec_ | hrm |
| 01:30:08 | doughec_ | not very funny |
| 01:30:48 | doughec_ | HM! |
| 02:05:51 | Patlabor221 | where is the BZFlag config file in linux? |
| 02:06:23 | jacques | in your home dir |
| 02:06:30 | jacques | starts with .bzflag |
| 02:07:05 | Patlabor221 | I'm not seing it |
| 02:08:25 | Patlabor221 | there it is |
| 02:08:33 | Patlabor221 | hidden little bastard |
| 02:09:59 | Patlabor221 | bah it won't play any sounds now |
| 02:41:14 | Patlabor221 | thingks it's time for a UT throwdown |
| 02:41:57 | Patlabor221 | is away: "Unstopable" |
| 03:13:21 | captain_proton | A burleyque dancer, a pip |
| 03:13:28 | captain_proton | Named Virginia, could peel in a zip |
| 03:13:35 | captain_proton | But she read science fiction |
| 03:13:40 | captain_proton | And died of constriction |
| 03:13:45 | captain_proton | Attempting a Moebius strip. |
| 03:15:32 | captain_proton | dum de dum |
| 03:15:35 | captain_proton | is bored |
| 03:27:49 | Widget | Back. |
| 03:28:14 | Widget | Hello, captain_proton. |
| 03:28:22 | Widget | captain_proton: Had a nice lunch? |
| 03:28:29 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 03:28:39 | Widget | Consisting of what? |
| 03:31:08 | captain_proton | went to an indian restaurant |
| 03:31:14 | Widget | Ooh. |
| 03:31:16 | Widget | Interesting. |
| 03:31:26 | Widget | Hm... how are you getting on, not speaking Japanese? |
| 03:31:31 | Widget | How did you order, for instance? |
| 03:31:38 | Widget | And are there really Indians living in Japan? |
| 03:32:35 | captain_proton | all the restaurants have plastic food outside |
| 03:32:47 | captain_proton | so you grab the wait(er|ress) and point |
| 03:33:05 | Widget | Ah. |
| 03:33:50 | Widget | And then they say 10 000 ¥ please, and you think they only said 5 000 ¥ and a huge fight ensues and you get arrested and deported back to America. |
| 03:34:18 | captain_proton | haha no |
| 03:34:57 | Widget | Darn. |
| 03:35:03 | Widget | Does your father speak Japanese? |
| 03:35:09 | captain_proton | nope |
| 03:35:20 | Widget | Is he there on business? |
| 03:36:11 | captain_proton | yep |
| 03:36:39 | Widget | While you goof off on BZFlag stuff. |
| 03:36:43 | Widget | Shame on you, captain_proton. |
| 03:36:55 | Widget | captain_proton: You know what is odd? |
| 03:37:26 | Widget | captain_proton: When Chestal does a ping latency to me, or I do one to a German website like akira's homepage www.wirrehomepage.de, the lag is usually between 300-400 ms. |
| 03:37:37 | Widget | captain_proton: But lately my lag on ducati has been very nice, under 300. |
| 03:37:45 | Widget | (Before, it often used to be very high) |
| 03:38:00 | Widget | Actually, today I was lagkicked at 370+ ms, but that was the exception. |
| 03:38:13 | captain_proton | Widget: hey - i've been attending some of the meetings |
| 03:38:20 | Widget | captain_proton: Ah? |
| 03:38:24 | Widget | captain_proton: On what? |
| 03:38:27 | captain_proton | ietf.org |
| 03:38:46 | Widget | captain_proton: Yes. But what do you do at the meetings? Sleep? |
| 03:38:47 | Widget | bzfquery ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 03:38:47 | bzbot | Server is empty |
| 03:38:56 | Widget | bzbot: That's not the answer I wanted. |
| 03:39:44 | captain_proton | listen |
| 03:41:57 | Widget | captain_proton: What foreign language did you take in school/university? |
| 03:42:42 | captain_proton | Widget: spanish - i don't really remember much of it though |
| 03:43:08 | Widget | Spanish hasn't been very useful? |
| 03:43:19 | captain_proton | nah |
| 03:43:29 | captain_proton | used it a little when i worked in a restaurant, that was about it |
| 03:43:44 | Patlabor221 | donde esta el banio? |
| 03:43:49 | Widget | Haha. |
| 03:44:40 | Widget | Patlabor221: ¿habla español bien? |
| 03:44:47 | Patlabor221 | ohh hell no |
| 03:44:52 | Widget | Haha. |
| 03:44:58 | Widget | Soy muy cansada. |
| 03:45:01 | Patlabor221 | I just live in California |
| 03:45:07 | Patlabor221 | you can't not know someting |
| 03:45:09 | captain_proton | banio? ;) |
| 03:45:15 | Patlabor221 | craper |
| 03:45:27 | Widget | Vuy a dormir. |
| 03:45:28 | Widget | Pronto. |
| 03:45:37 | Patlabor221 | most people don't know what I mean by crapeteria |
| 03:45:46 | captain_proton | haha |
| 03:46:06 | Widget | Manñana, debo despertar a las cuatro. |
| 03:46:24 | Widget | :( |
| 03:46:28 | Patlabor221 | what? |
| 03:46:35 | Patlabor221 | your geting castrated? |
| 03:46:42 | Patlabor221 | that's gotta suck |
| 03:46:54 | Widget | x es en Manana, debo despertar a las cuatro. |
| 03:47:02 | Widget | ibot: x es en Manana, debo despertar a las cuatro. |
| 03:47:03 | | Widget: Manana, I must wake up to four. |
| 03:47:12 | Widget | Mañana = tomorrow. |
| 03:47:18 | Patlabor221 | I know that part |
| 03:47:23 | | i don't know, patlabor221 |
| 03:47:23 | Patlabor221 | ibot: where are the bobots now? |
| 03:47:31 | Widget | ibot: x es en Soy muy cansada. |
| 03:47:32 | | Widget: Very I am tired. |
| 03:48:03 | Widget | est très fatuguée. |
| 03:48:16 | Patlabor221 | isn't it AM there? |
| 03:48:27 | Patlabor221 | liek 7ish? |
| 03:48:37 | Patlabor221 | or later? |
| 03:48:53 | Widget | Huh? |
| 03:48:53 | Widget | No. |
| 03:49:00 | Widget | It's nearly 5 PM. |
| 03:49:00 | Patlabor221 | what time is it there? |
| 03:49:18 | Widget | Nearly 5 PM. |
| 03:49:19 | Widget | I told you. |
| 03:49:32 | Patlabor221 | Wednesday or thrursday? |
| 03:49:46 | Widget | Thursday... |
| 03:49:52 | Widget | est très fatiguée, pardon. |
| 03:50:05 | Patlabor221 | ok so your 5hrs behind + a day |
| 03:50:09 | Patlabor221 | wierd math |
| 03:50:15 | Widget | Patlabor221: OK. |
| 03:50:22 | Widget | Patlabor221: But in the later part of the year... |
| 03:50:29 | Widget | Patlabor221: I am only three hours behind + a day. |
| 03:50:30 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 03:50:38 | Patlabor221 | winter there now right? |
| 03:50:41 | Widget | Patlabor221: Because then we have daylight savings time and you don't. |
| 03:50:46 | Widget | Patlabor221: Yes, starting to be. |
| 03:51:11 | Widget | Hovering a bit short of 10º. |
| 03:51:41 | Widget | Very cold at night, though. |
| 03:51:47 | Patlabor221 | very hot here in the day |
| 03:52:06 | Widget | How hot does it get? |
| 03:52:34 | Patlabor221 | usauly 95->105 now |
| 03:52:38 | Patlabor221 | it'll get hoter tho |
| 03:52:43 | Patlabor221 | that's F not C |
| 03:52:51 | Widget | Fahrenheit? I guess that's 30 something C? |
| 03:52:55 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 03:53:17 | Patlabor221 | trys to rember his conversion |
| 03:53:28 | Widget | About 35, I should say. |
| 03:53:33 | Widget | A bit more. |
| 03:53:36 | Widget | Patlabor221: Pobrecito. |
| 03:53:39 | Widget | Patlabor221: You must be melting. |
| 03:53:45 | Patlabor221 | get used to it |
| 03:53:54 | Patlabor221 | I do live in a semi arid desert |
| 03:53:57 | Widget | Never gets very hot here. By the sea. |
| 03:54:03 | Patlabor221 | most to SoCal is |
| 03:54:08 | captain_proton | here its about 32, with 80% humidity |
| 03:54:14 | Patlabor221 | I'm less then 20 min from the beach |
| 03:54:18 | Widget | captain_proton: Eep. |
| 03:54:26 | Widget | captain_proton: Wait, is that C or F? |
| 03:54:40 | captain_proton | C |
| 03:54:45 | Widget | Aua aua. |
| 03:54:51 | Widget | I never realised Japan would be so hot. |
| 03:54:56 | captain_proton | <-- in an air conditioned building |
| 03:54:58 | Patlabor221 | ohh yeah |
| 03:54:59 | Widget | In Taiwan, it often gets really, really hot. |
| 03:55:11 | Widget | Oh, in Taiwan they don't have air conditioning. |
| 03:55:11 | Patlabor221 | japan has hot sumers |
| 03:55:13 | Widget | Just portable air conditioners. |
| 03:55:17 | Widget | That they plug in in one room. |
| 03:55:22 | Widget | And everyone goes there. |
| 03:55:23 | Patlabor221 | you should see Las vegas in the summer |
| 03:55:38 | Patlabor221 | so many air conditioners it affects the ouside climate |
| 03:55:57 | captain_proton | 'portable air conditioners' ?? |
| 03:56:03 | Widget | captain_proton: Yes. |
| 03:56:10 | Widget | captain_proton: They exist. |
| 03:56:10 | captain_proton | don't air conditioners need to vent to the outside? |
| 03:56:14 | Patlabor221 | liitle ones that sit on the ground |
| 03:56:24 | Patlabor221 | you put them in front of a window |
| 03:56:25 | Widget | Patlabor221: That's the kind. |
| 03:56:30 | Patlabor221 | almost got one |
| 03:56:31 | Widget | Yes. |
| 03:56:35 | Widget | It's warm behind them. |
| 03:56:38 | Widget | And cold in front. |
| 03:57:17 | Patlabor221 | AC's just move heat around |
| 03:57:37 | Patlabor221 | can't make cold |
| 03:57:37 | Widget | Patlabor221: As do all cooling systems. |
| 03:57:47 | Widget | Nothing can make cold. |
| 03:57:51 | Widget | Heat is here to stay, |
| 03:59:38 | Widget | ¡Hola, jpablo! |
| 04:00:39 | jpablo | ¡ Hola, amigo mio ! |
| 04:00:59 | captain_proton | can make cold |
| 04:01:03 | captain_proton | and walk on water, too |
| 04:01:23 | Widget | captain_proton: In a non-solid state? |
| 04:01:31 | Patlabor221 | fun wiht surface tension? |
| 04:01:51 | captain_proton | Widget: in any sate |
| 04:01:54 | captain_proton | state* |
| 04:02:01 | Patlabor221 | I'm guesing that vaoprised cap would not smell so good |
| 04:02:03 | captain_proton | even plasma |
| 04:02:48 | Patlabor221 | captan plasma that sounds cool |
| 04:03:05 | Patlabor221 | well of to read |
| 04:03:11 | Widget | Glen: I can summon spirits from the vasty deep. |
| 04:03:11 | Widget | Hot: Well so can I, or so can any man. But do they come when you do call them? |
| 04:03:11 | Widget | -Shakespeare "Henry IV, Part I" |
| 04:07:22 | captain_proton | Shakespeare has left the huguenot's house in Silver street and walks by the swanmews along the riverbank. But he does not stay to feed the pen chivying her game of cygnets towards the rushes. The swan of Avon has other thoughts. |
| 04:11:53 | captain_proton | 5 points for identifying the author |
| 04:13:12 | Widget | Joyce. |
| 04:13:26 | Widget | From Ulysses. |
| 04:19:11 | captain_proton | damn that was quick |
| 04:29:50 | BZFlag | waits for Widget to get the 5 points. |
| 04:32:27 | captain_proton | hoards the points |
| 04:57:43 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 04:57:50 | captain_proton | 'Day changed to 18 Jul 2002' - how depressing |
| 05:00:19 | captain_proton | ohh BZFlag there was something i'm supposed to ask you |
| 05:00:50 | captain_proton | looks like halo (remember him?) may have a way to get shirts silk-screened and wants to make bz-wear |
| 05:00:53 | captain_proton | interested? |
| 05:00:57 | captain_proton | (as in, is this ok?) |
| 05:03:49 | captain_proton | i'm out |
| 05:03:55 | captain_proton | mail me if its ok with you |
| 05:13:06 | akira_ | BZFlag: awake? |
| 05:21:39 | akira_ | moin strayer |
| 05:23:04 | strayer | hi akira.....muede... |
| 05:24:14 | strayer | was ich schon immer mal wissen wollte....wieso der unterstrich an deinem nick? |
| 05:24:32 | akira_ | weil akira hier auf openprojects vergeben ist |
| 05:24:40 | akira_ | und was anderes einzutippen ist mir zu lang |
| 05:25:07 | strayer | faulpez ;) |
| 05:25:23 | strayer | l...vergessen |
| 05:27:07 | strayer | ...muss schon wieder weg... |
| 05:27:12 | akira_ | cu |
| 05:27:16 | strayer | bye... |
| 05:36:31 | BZFlag | akira_: sup? |
| 05:37:32 | akira_ | aaah |
| 05:37:33 | akira_ | tim |
| 05:37:34 | akira_ | hello |
| 05:37:52 | akira_ | want to work on the namestuff for observer mode |
| 05:38:01 | BZFlag | ok, and? |
| 05:38:06 | akira_ | whats the best place to add the "name" flag |
| 05:38:25 | akira_ | should i do this like the real flag is transported and handled throug the world? |
| 05:38:33 | BZFlag | in the code? not sure. check where the other billboards are handled. |
| 05:39:10 | akira_ | thats the problem |
| 05:39:11 | BZFlag | yeah, where the flags are drawn on tanks would be a great spot. |
| 05:39:11 | akira_ | the hint with the explosions was quite good, but they are stationary |
| 05:39:23 | akira_ | so i could add another "flag" slot in the localplayer right? |
| 05:39:48 | BZFlag | hmm would be all players, not just the local, no? |
| 05:40:30 | akira_ | i dont have understand this completly .. local player, player, remoteplayer .. etc |
| 05:40:35 | BZFlag | there should of course be no network changes, and player[] has a nick entry, so that's the soruce. |
| 05:41:44 | BZFlag | yeah, it should get cleaned up in 1.8. player is all the players. remoteplayer is (iirc) an pointer array into player[]. localplayer has the stuff you need locally for yourself that is never sent over the net. |
| 05:42:34 | akira_ | so the localplayer hold the "nodepointers" right? |
| 05:43:41 | BZFlag | hmm. I think so. |
| 05:44:01 | BZFlag | I'm normally on the lower level code. crs would know the gl layer better. |
| 05:45:05 | akira_ | but he isnt here :) |
| 05:45:22 | akira_ | so, thanx for this statements .. will take a closer look to the stuff |
| 05:56:54 | BZFlag | in the playing loop by "// add other tanks and shells" insert a call to something like playerNameNodes-addName(scene) |
| 05:57:28 | BZFlag | akira_: start by getting a colored billboard above the tanks that is the right size. then worry about mapping the name to it. |
| 05:57:59 | BZFlag | the names should get mapped on join and detroyed on leave. so the billboard texture does not have to be recalculated every frame. |
| 05:58:20 | akira_ | BZFlag: of coz this way |
| 05:58:39 | akira_ | your fontsystem renders texturefonts right? |
| 05:58:43 | BZFlag | my point being that will be in a different area of code. focus on one first. |
| 05:58:55 | BZFlag | yes, there are textured fonts. |
| 05:59:26 | akira_ | ill think about it, but now i am off ... |
| 05:59:28 | akira_ | cu later |
| 05:59:32 | BZFlag | yep |
| 05:59:36 | akira_ | whats the normal time i can catch you up here? |
| 05:59:47 | BZFlag | far too frequently. |
| 06:00:16 | akira_ | then perhaps i will destroy your sparetime with an email or two :) |
| 06:05:33 | akira_ | cu all |
| 09:34:47 | captain_proton | pokes BZFlag |
| 09:34:56 | Chestal | he proton |
| 09:35:04 | Chestal | can you access www.gnupg.org? |
| 09:36:26 | captain_proton | lemme look |
| 09:36:50 | captain_proton | Chestal: works fine for me |
| 09:37:01 | Chestal | oh? |
| 09:37:10 | Chestal | ah, for me, too now :-) |
| 09:56:07 | BZFlag | looks around, what? |
| 09:56:45 | Chestal | heh, bzflag, I need the fingerprint of your key :-) |
| 09:58:29 | captain_proton | BZFlag: did you see the msg i left earlier? |
| 10:04:01 | captain_proton | BZFlag: hmm - isn't it very very late there? |
| 10:11:48 | Chestal | proton: I fixed 1.8 for g++ 3.1 yesterday, the fix isn't perfect, but I guess it will work on all compilers |
| 10:11:58 | Chestal | no test on windows yet |
| 10:12:01 | BZFlag | Chestal: huh? my gpg key? gpg --recv-keys --server pgp.mit.edu CD98B20A |
| 10:12:25 | Chestal | BZFlag: yes, I have your key, but I want your fingerprint here on IRC to make sure, it's really yours |
| 10:12:34 | Chestal | wenn I guess the keyid is nearly as good |
| 10:14:22 | BZFlag | Key fingerprint = 1BD5 D97C DF53 5607 0609 A880 583C A816 CD98 B20A |
| 10:14:30 | Chestal | thanks |
| 10:14:35 | BZFlag | now, how do you know I'm really me? ;-) |
| 10:15:09 | BZFlag | captain_proton: shirts? sure. |
| 10:15:33 | BZFlag | post info on the wiki. love to get some new banner adds/logos out of it. ;-) |
| 10:15:40 | Chestal | BZFlag: you are you by definition, I don't knwo you as a real person anyway :-) |
| 10:15:47 | BZFlag | I assume it's not a for-profit thing, right? |
| 10:16:45 | BZFlag | Chestal: it's signed by quite a few others you might trust. gooch, rmk, etc. |
| 10:17:22 | Chestal | BZFlag: I just started to use gpg/pgp again |
| 10:18:46 | captain_proton | BZFlag: well, yes, it would be for profit, but they'd all go towards the project ;) |
| 10:18:48 | BZFlag | sheesh 5:23am. |
| 10:19:19 | BZFlag | captain_proton: hmm.. guess we should talk about how that part would work. |
| 10:20:02 | captain_proton | BZFlag: he suggested your paypal |
| 10:20:11 | BZFlag | captain_proton: but I'm not real worried. I'd like to approve any items produced just for kicks. |
| 10:20:25 | BZFlag | captain_proton: that would be fine. |
| 10:20:52 | BZFlag | "Armoured Smashing Fist 2002" shirts? ;-) |
| 10:21:13 | captain_proton | bwahahaha |
| 10:21:46 | BZFlag | just don't type BZFag my mistake. I do that from time to time. |
| 10:22:14 | BZFlag | er by mistake.. sheesh. it's late. er, early. |
| 10:22:18 | BZFlag | I should go to bed. |
| 10:23:38 | BZFlag | Chestal: so you starting on the karma system then? ;-) I've confirmed on paper at least that a gpg signed / ascii armored logon would work. and gpg encrypted karma-ing. |
| 10:23:55 | captain_proton | haha |
| 10:24:02 | captain_proton | BZFlag: it must be |
| 10:25:43 | ritchie_ | is BZflag@free.fr no longer valoches address? |
| 10:26:03 | captain_proton | BZFlag maybe? |
| 10:26:41 | ritchie_ | well capitalisation doesnt matter, i thought |
| 10:27:09 | captain_proton | in usernames it does |
| 10:27:12 | captain_proton | not in domain names |
| 10:27:20 | ritchie_ | ahah |
| 10:27:30 | captain_proton | yikes @ moles' rating |
| 10:27:34 | captain_proton | 1357 ?? |
| 10:27:43 | Chestal | well, we playe dthe most matches |
| 10:27:48 | Chestal | and only lost 1 |
| 10:28:06 | Chestal | but now the rate of increase is decreasing with each match of course |
| 10:28:32 | Chestal | but still all ratings are in a close range |
| 10:28:38 | Chestal | we need more teams and matches |
| 10:28:45 | ritchie_ | http://rpcharlton.d2g.com/bzctf/tournament/viewtourn.php?rounds=5&srounds=5 |
| 10:28:48 | BZFlag | in usernames it _might_ matter. in domain names and hostnames it will not. |
| 10:28:50 | ritchie_ | is that better chestal? |
| 10:29:26 | captain_proton | BZFlag: valoche seems like a unixy kind of guy to me |
| 10:30:41 | captain_proton | ooh ritchie_ thats cool |
| 10:30:52 | ritchie_ | ta |
| 10:31:04 | Chestal | ritchie: still a bit difficult to read for me, but not too bad |
| 10:31:05 | ritchie_ | thats going to be the display for the tournament on /league |
| 10:31:07 | ritchie_ | right |
| 10:31:12 | Chestal | otherwise it looks fine |
| 10:31:17 | ritchie_ | well fonts cn get bigger with screen size |
| 10:31:50 | ritchie_ | the prob is fitting it in |
| 10:31:59 | ritchie_ | i have designed the script |
| 10:32:01 | ritchie_ | so srounds |
| 10:32:12 | ritchie_ | can be changed to only show the last x rounds |
| 10:32:29 | ritchie_ | so when it gets to the quarters youll just srounds=3 |
| 10:32:46 | ritchie_ | and it is dummy data of course |
| 10:32:51 | ritchie_ | compsoc would beat the moles ;-) |
| 10:34:30 | captain_proton | haha |
| 10:34:42 | MrApathyCream | Chestal: windows is fine |
| 10:35:03 | BZFlag | must sleep. night. |
| 10:35:35 | ritchie_ | night |
| 10:35:40 | captain_proton | ritchie_: hmm - perhaps add an option to only view the first n columns? |
| 10:35:56 | ritchie_ | the first n columns? |
| 10:35:57 | ritchie_ | ok |
| 10:36:02 | ritchie_ | that should be simple enough |
| 10:36:08 | captain_proton | ritchie_: because when the tournament starts, you don't care about anything except the first 2 columns |
| 10:36:10 | ritchie_ | i can do the last n columns :-) |
| 10:36:15 | ritchie_ | yes ok |
| 10:36:16 | ritchie_ | ill do that |
| 10:36:19 | captain_proton | would make it simpler to fit within the page |
| 10:36:25 | ritchie_ | you're right |
| 10:36:31 | captain_proton | and as the rounds progress, you can clip off columns from the left |
| 10:36:37 | captain_proton | display the middle 3, for instance |
| 10:36:39 | ritchie_ | yes |
| 10:36:40 | ritchie_ | and i think |
| 10:36:48 | ritchie_ | for those who want an overall picture |
| 10:37:01 | ritchie_ | you coudl have a link to open the whole thing in a new window |
| 10:37:08 | ritchie_ | just for statistics' sake |
| 10:37:13 | ritchie_ | i was talking to team members and they think a tournament would provide a real incentive to play more |
| 10:37:16 | ritchie_ | what dya think? |
| 10:38:24 | captain_proton | yep |
| 10:38:33 | ritchie_ | working on it |
| 10:38:37 | ritchie_ | you could even |
| 10:38:43 | ritchie_ | start in round 2 and end at semis |
| 10:38:46 | ritchie_ | for example |
| 10:38:51 | ritchie_ | (full flexibility |
| 10:38:52 | captain_proton | what we need is a mailing list for league dev/etc |
| 10:39:04 | captain_proton | concentrating on interfacing stats with the web and such |
| 10:39:43 | ritchie_ | ? |
| 10:39:48 | ritchie_ | comme quoi? |
| 10:39:57 | ritchie_ | i made a hall of shame/fame script |
| 10:40:08 | ritchie_ | that valoche has, he's not had the time to put it up |
| 10:40:08 | Chestal | proton: do you think you can run a ctf server for the league? |
| 10:40:13 | Chestal | we really need a good US server |
| 10:40:16 | captain_proton | Chestal: depends when |
| 10:40:25 | Chestal | captain_proton: whenever you can |
| 10:40:32 | ritchie_ | http://rpcharlton.d2g.com/bzctf/record.php |
| 10:40:35 | Chestal | a public server would not be so important IMHO |
| 10:40:36 | ritchie_ | (thats using old data) |
| 10:40:44 | captain_proton | Chestal: i can't run any servers on babylonia anymore, but starting late august bhaskara will be on its oc3 again |
| 10:40:58 | Chestal | sounds good |
| 10:42:04 | captain_proton | a crazy idea for if the tshirts work out: colocation for the league =D |
| 10:43:53 | captain_proton | ritchie_: hmm, does record.php use the current league data? |
| 10:44:34 | Chestal | a kind of mini-ML for league web developers would be good |
| 10:44:55 | Chestal | I can setup a ML here if you want, I guess |
| 10:45:15 | ritchie_ | proton |
| 10:45:15 | ritchie_ | no |
| 10:45:42 | captain_proton | Chestal: hmm, i could do the same, but its probably best if we just add a sf mailinglist |
| 10:45:52 | captain_proton | lemme see if i have perms for that (doubtful) |
| 10:46:25 | Chestal | apropos ml / forums: I still think it's a mistake that the community is a little split up over sf and ezboard forums |
| 10:46:54 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 10:46:56 | captain_proton | ezboard sucks |
| 10:47:12 | Chestal | but morepeopel are using ezboard then the sf forums |
| 10:47:17 | captain_proton | we should find some way to import all the ezboard stuff, then just move to sf |
| 10:47:34 | Chestal | obviously some peopel have problems signign on for sf |
| 10:47:41 | Chestal | not sure whatthe issues are, maybe https? |
| 10:48:00 | captain_proton | yep, i lack maillist admin |
| 10:48:09 | captain_proton | i've never had a problem signing on |
| 10:48:16 | Chestal | me, neihter |
| 10:48:25 | captain_proton | ie5 has a problem if you use the 'stay in ssl mode' option |
| 10:49:27 | Chestal | the sf forums could be a little fancier, though |
| 10:49:36 | Chestal | haven't used them very much, maybe I'm missign something |
| 10:50:05 | Chestal | best thing for me would be a usenet newsgroup |
| 10:50:17 | Chestal | that's far betetr than everything else IMHO |
| 10:50:28 | ritchie_ | what php ver is the league site running? |
| 10:50:53 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 10:50:59 | captain_proton | whatever is on the sf webserver |
| 10:51:18 | captain_proton | i can throw up a phpinfo() page |
| 10:51:27 | Redgore | hey ee |
| 10:51:40 | ritchie_ | ta |
| 10:51:46 | captain_proton | err |
| 10:51:50 | captain_proton | wait |
| 10:51:58 | captain_proton | Redgore: argg, you confuzled me |
| 10:52:02 | Redgore | hehe |
| 10:52:35 | captain_proton | still gets a warm fuzzy feeling from 'ssh davidtrowbridge@bzflag.org' =) |
| 10:53:15 | Chestal | heh, that works for me, too |
| 10:53:24 | Chestal | (usign a different username of course :-) |
| 10:53:34 | captain_proton | ritchie_: http://bzflag.org/new/phpinfo.php |
| 10:53:57 | Chestal | did someoen already put up the new html man pages? |
| 10:54:15 | captain_proton | Chestal: i don't know - wasn't me |
| 10:54:58 | Chestal | hmm, I cannot find them |
| 10:55:12 | Chestal | we really need one central doc format |
| 10:55:26 | Chestal | I'm browsing the help pages on bzflag.org, never visited them before |
| 10:55:33 | Chestal | hard to keep these with manpages etc. in sync |
| 10:56:31 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 10:56:40 | captain_proton | nicer to browse help pages on bzflag.org/new ;) |
| 10:56:43 | Chestal | ah, found the man pages ;-) |
| 10:57:04 | Chestal | we really need the new site |
| 10:57:10 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 10:57:14 | Chestal | topo much outdated information on the current one, it's become a mess |
| 10:57:17 | captain_proton | i've just been too lazy to finish up everything |
| 10:59:03 | captain_proton | we should check to see if there's any kind of unified document thingy - where you write it in xml (or somesuch) and translate to man, html, winhelp, etc |
| 10:59:07 | ritchie_ | thanks proton |
| 10:59:24 | Chestal | man -> html is very easy, don't know about other formats, though |
| 10:59:37 | captain_proton | man is annoying to write though |
| 10:59:45 | captain_proton | groff can kiss my ass |
| 11:00:17 | Chestal | hmm, I remember someone using some format, which could be converted to man, html and latex (or was it postscript?) |
| 11:01:31 | captain_proton | starts searching for a document seed format |
| 11:06:46 | captain_proton | hmm, could probably use LaTeX |
| 11:10:45 | Chestal | hmm, SGML-Tools |
| 11:10:46 | captain_proton | though docbook looks attractive |
| 11:16:41 | captain_proton | wow ritchie_ is industrious |
| 11:16:57 | captain_proton | already hacking at showing certain columns of the tourny tree |
| 11:17:32 | ritchie_ | but its not fing working |
| 11:21:16 | captain_proton | 'lo iLLf8d |
| 11:21:53 | iLLf8d | lo |
| 11:21:55 | iLLf8d | how goes it |
| 11:22:49 | doughec | hrm |
| 11:22:51 | captain_proton | good, good |
| 11:22:55 | captain_proton | going home tomorrow =D |
| 11:22:59 | doughec | moin everbody |
| 11:24:39 | iLLf8d | looking forward to it? |
| 11:24:53 | iLLf8d | or have you been enjoying yourself enough to want to stay |
| 11:25:19 | captain_proton | yeah, looking forward to it |
| 11:25:26 | captain_proton | its been fun, but after a while you just want to be home |
| 11:28:52 | Chestal | home, sweet home |
| 11:29:09 | doughec | heh |
| 11:29:21 | captain_proton | exactly |
| 11:34:37 | captain_proton | yay for cplusplus.com |
| 11:34:50 | doughec | ? |
| 11:35:56 | captain_proton | they've got a complete manually-done reference on iostreams |
| 11:36:19 | doughec | heh |
| 11:45:16 | captain_proton | haha ima gonna cheat |
| 11:45:30 | doughec | *gasp* |
| 11:45:41 | captain_proton | instead of writing a token parser that uses a string, i'm just going to use the istream function i already have and give it a stringstream |
| 11:45:54 | doughec | hrm |
| 11:58:34 | captain_proton | woohoo |
| 11:58:35 | captain_proton | it compiles |
| 11:58:51 | doughec | 1.8? |
| 12:01:23 | captain_proton | no - this new code |
| 12:01:33 | doughec | oh |
| 12:14:15 | captain_proton | haha: |
| 12:14:21 | captain_proton | psyton /si:'ton/ n. |
| 12:14:31 | captain_proton | The elementary particle carrying the sinister force. The |
| 12:14:44 | captain_proton | probability of a process losing is proportional to the number of psytons falling on it |
| 12:15:04 | captain_proton | Psytons are generated by observers, which is why demos are more likely to fail when lots of people are watching. |
| 12:16:42 | | Chestal: sorry... |
| 12:16:42 | Chestal | ibot: random |
| 12:16:42 | | Chestal: what? |
| 12:16:42 | Chestal | ibot: |
| 12:16:48 | | Chestal: what? |
| 12:16:48 | Chestal | ibot: random number |
| 12:17:08 | captain_proton | Chestal: i don't think thats a real function, just apathy playing |
| 12:17:15 | doughec | ibot help |
| 12:17:20 | Chestal | hmm, but I need one :-) |
| 12:17:49 | | doughec: what? |
| 12:17:49 | doughec | ibot random |
| 12:20:59 | | it has been said that x is a generic standard. Maybe you mean Xfree86. |
| 12:20:59 | captain_proton | ibot: x |
| 12:21:10 | captain_proton | damn, i thought it might be the example |
| 12:21:14 | captain_proton | 'x is wugga wugga' |
| 12:21:16 | doughec | gosh, its smart |
| 12:21:22 | doughec | ;) |
| 12:21:37 | | doughec: excuse me? |
| 12:21:37 | doughec | ibot rannumber |
| 12:21:57 | | doughec: i'm not following you... |
| 12:21:57 | doughec | ibot number |
| 12:22:00 | doughec | bah |
| 12:24:34 | captain_proton | is gonna try to write an ibot module for random numbers |
| 12:36:57 | captain_proton | argg i don't have the perl-regexp knowledge |
| 12:38:03 | captain_proton | i'm off |
| 12:48:23 | doughec | ? |
| 12:49:45 | doughec | hrm |
| 12:49:55 | doughec | quicktime 6 is great |
| 12:51:58 | Cell | howdy |
| 12:52:34 | doughec | howdy cell |
| 12:52:46 | doughec | are you the perfect cell? |
| 12:52:55 | Cell | yes |
| 12:53:22 | Cell | i just have a little problem, maybe someone can help me |
| 12:53:38 | doughec | ok |
| 12:54:23 | doughec | shoot |
| 12:54:31 | doughec | what is your problem? |
| 12:54:45 | Cell | so here it comes: Whats the best way to position a camera in world space so that a boundong box covers almost all of the view plane? |
| 12:55:01 | doughec | uumm |
| 12:55:04 | doughec | ask chestal |
| 12:55:12 | doughec | I dunno abou that stuff |
| 12:55:25 | Cell | i just cant figure it out |
| 12:55:31 | doughec | hrm |
| 12:56:49 | Cell | then tell me what is the best java editor |
| 12:56:56 | doughec | hrm |
| 12:57:01 | doughec | emacs |
| 12:57:11 | doughec | ;) |
| 12:57:11 | Cell | u use it |
| 12:57:16 | doughec | nope |
| 12:57:26 | Cell | i cant get behind emacs |
| 12:57:30 | doughec | never used emacs, nor java |
| 12:57:38 | doughec | bu t is the best |
| 12:57:42 | doughec | lo O |
| 12:57:43 | Oooo0 | hola amigos |
| 12:57:46 | doughec | lo Oooo0 |
| 12:57:48 | Cell | hi |
| 12:58:01 | doughec | is watching the macworld keynotes |
| 12:58:32 | Oooo0 | widget? |
| 12:58:41 | | Widget was last seen on #bzflag 8 hours, 45 minutes and 15 seconds ago, saying: From Ulysses. [Thu Jul 18 05:13:26 2002] |
| 12:58:41 | doughec | ibot seen Widget |
| 12:58:59 | Oooo0 | long time, thx doug |
| 12:59:09 | Oooo0 | what else does that ibot do? |
| 12:59:10 | doughec | heh |
| 12:59:14 | doughec | lots |
| 12:59:21 | | Oooo0 is nothing but a toad-spotted heap of left-over bat toenails. |
| 12:59:21 | doughec | ibot insult Oooo0 |
| 12:59:24 | doughec | see? |
| 12:59:29 | doughec | very usefull |
| 12:59:29 | Cell | is it a hand ur name Oooo0 |
| 12:59:29 | doughec | ;) |
| 12:59:34 | Oooo0 | i've seen that one |
| 12:59:42 | Oooo0 | a hand? |
| 12:59:43 | | doughec: High altitude condensation from U.S.A.F prototype aircraft has contaminated the primary subnet mask. Turn off your computer for 9 days to avoid damaging it. |
| 12:59:43 | doughec | ibot excuse? |
| 12:59:49 | Cell | five fingers |
| 13:00:06 | Oooo0 | no, just O's |
| 13:00:14 | Oooo0 | Team FrOot LoOps |
| 13:00:20 | Cell | k |
| 13:00:47 | | doughec is nothing but a coughed-up quart of sausage-snorfling squirrel guts. |
| 13:00:47 | Oooo0 | ibot insult doughec |
| 13:00:54 | Oooo0 | hehe |
| 13:00:56 | | Sorry, doughec, I'll keep my mouth shut. |
| 13:00:56 | doughec | ibot shutup |
| 13:00:58 | Oooo0 | useful |
| 13:01:03 | doughec | yup |
| 13:01:10 | | Slashdot - Updated 2002-07-18 13:39:52 | FCC Allows Bells to Sell Your Telephone Usage Data | The Importance of Being Debian | The Future of Digital Cinema | MojoNation ... Corporate Backup Tool? |
| 13:01:10 | doughec | ibot slashdot |
| 13:01:16 | doughec | ;) |
| 13:01:28 | Oooo0 | you're breadhat right? |
| 13:01:31 | Cell | hm |
| 13:01:34 | doughec | yup |
| 13:01:57 | Oooo0 | you guys want another match? |
| 13:02:26 | doughec | um |
| 13:02:28 | doughec | dunno |
| 13:02:36 | doughec | have to ask them |
| 13:02:39 | Oooo0 | k |
| 13:04:00 | doughec | hrm |
| 13:04:04 | doughec | breakfast time... |
| 13:10:15 | Cell | hhhhhhhh |
| 13:10:15 | Cell | hhhhhhjjjjjjjjjhhhhh |
| 13:10:15 | Cell | hhh.jjjj........jjjj. hhh |
| 13:10:16 | Cell | X...jjAYXfAXYXXX//X//jjjjjh |
| 13:15:09 | Cell | > ______ |
| 13:15:09 | Cell | > /' `\ |
| 13:15:09 | Cell | > ----@@ ||||||||||||||||||||> |
| 13:15:09 | Cell | >haha / \.______,/ |
| 13:15:09 | Cell | > ha / || || |
| 13:18:47 | Cell | ||||| |
| 13:18:48 | Cell | ||. .|| |
| 13:18:48 | Cell | |||\=/||| |
| 13:18:48 | Cell | |.-- --.| |
| 13:18:48 | Cell | \ ) . ( / |
| 13:18:48 | Cell | '( v )` |
| 13:18:50 | Cell | \ | / |
| 13:18:52 | Cell | ( | ) |
| 13:18:54 | Cell | '- -` |
| 13:22:26 | doughec | cell? |
| 13:22:45 | doughec | what is that? |
| 13:23:14 | Cell | pics |
| 13:23:26 | Cell | ASCII art |
| 13:23:55 | doughec | ah |
| 13:24:54 | Cell | anyone knows how to disable precompiled headers in vc7.0 |
| 13:25:07 | doughec | not me |
| 13:25:08 | doughec | you have VC 7? |
| 13:25:29 | Cell | yes |
| 13:25:46 | doughec | ah |
| 13:38:01 | Cell | hhhhhhhh |
| 13:38:02 | Cell | hhhhhhjjjjjjjjjhhhhh |
| 13:38:03 | Cell | hhh.jjjj........jjjj. hhh |
| 13:38:04 | Cell | X...jjAYXfAXYXXX//X//jjjjjh |
| 13:38:05 | Cell | </Xf./"*<<%ww%wXAXfXXXXXXYXj.jjjh |
| 13:38:06 | Cell | AXXA<</AXA</XX/<<Xw%/XAwfAXXXYjjj jj |
| 13:38:09 | Cell | fX%<"/ "AXXXAwAAw/W</Y/AXffWw&%%%W.jjjjh |
| 13:38:12 | Cell | ww<<X//A//YXwwA//AXA%%$%wX%%AAf&#&&&&.jb h |
| 13:38:15 | Cell | XM<"<YXXXAXXXXXfAAAAf%%AwXwWW%%A%#MMMM&kbkjh |
| 13:38:16 | doughec | you can get kicked for doing that |
| 13:38:23 | doughec | and banned from the server |
| 13:38:27 | doughec | erk |
| 13:38:29 | doughec | too late |
| 13:39:00 | doughec | told you |
| 13:39:05 | Cell | i now |
| 13:39:10 | doughec | heh |
| 13:39:13 | Cell | i know |
| 13:59:02 | [TeA] | hiii |
| 14:00:33 | Cell | hi |
| 15:22:58 | doughec | lo iLLf8d |
| 15:24:35 | WKaibigan | Has anybody got the message Can't open window when trying to run bzflag? |
| 15:24:45 | doughec | not me |
| 15:25:02 | doughec | reboot? |
| 15:25:46 | WKaibigan | Tried that. |
| 15:25:59 | doughec | hrm |
| 15:26:07 | doughec | dunno |
| 15:26:11 | | i guess x is a generic standard. Maybe you mean Xfree86. |
| 15:26:11 | doughec | ibot x? |
| 15:34:52 | doughec | lo patlabor221 |
| 15:34:56 | patlabor221 | hello |
| 15:35:03 | doughec | :) |
| 15:35:11 | patlabor221 | anyone know where a good refence for linux api's are? |
| 15:35:24 | patlabor221 | like OS services for scaning directories? |
| 15:35:34 | doughec | dunno |
| 15:35:44 | doughec | cplusplus.com? |
| 15:36:25 | patlabor221 | well I don't think this stuff is part of the standard library |
| 15:36:34 | doughec | hrm |
| 15:37:15 | patlabor221 | brb |
| 15:55:56 | Chestal | pat: man pages :-) |
| 15:58:41 | Cell | someone nows what is a bot and what is it for? |
| 16:06:36 | patlabor221 | a BZ bot or an IRC bot? |
| 16:24:12 | Cell | irc bot |
| 16:24:50 | Cell | hey patlabor221 u said u coded an editor in one day with mfc right? |
| 16:25:01 | Cell | What editor was that? |
| 16:25:07 | doughec | editor for what? |
| 16:25:29 | Cell | i aske him?, so i duno |
| 16:26:52 | Cell | is the text here logged somewhere in an archiev3e where i can studie it? |
| 16:28:25 | Cell | > ______ |
| 16:28:26 | Cell | > /' `\ |
| 16:28:27 | Cell | > ----@@ ||||||||||||||||||||> |
| 16:28:28 | Cell | >haha / \.______,/ |
| 16:28:29 | Cell | > ha / || || |
| 16:31:07 | Cell | u all work so hard currently that u cannot answer my humble questions? |
| 16:32:26 | MortimeR | maybe he is not here |
| 16:32:42 | doughec | yah, it arcives it, but I dont know where |
| 16:34:35 | Cell | k |
| 16:44:04 | Cell | man /msg |
| 16:44:09 | Cell | shit |
| 16:44:21 | Cell | help /msg |
| 16:46:46 | Cell | ls |
| 16:47:19 | Cell | Test |
| 16:48:16 | PerfectCell | ah |
| 16:48:17 | patlabor221 | an IRC bot is a script or app that logs in as a client |
| 16:48:25 | PerfectCell | k |
| 16:48:26 | patlabor221 | and does stuff |
| 16:48:28 | patlabor221 | like |
| 16:48:31 | PerfectCell | and what is that good for |
| 16:48:33 | | bobots are everywhere! |
| 16:48:33 | patlabor221 | Ibot: bobots. |
| 16:48:43 | | Cell was last seen on #bzflag 1 minutes and 24 seconds ago, saying: Test [Thu Jul 18 17:47:19 2002] |
| 16:48:43 | patlabor221 | Ibot: seen Cell |
| 16:48:57 | patlabor221 | they can be used for lots of things |
| 16:49:01 | PerfectCell | records some data |
| 16:49:09 | patlabor221 | and yes I did make a BZ editor in 1 day |
| 16:49:19 | PerfectCell | where can i get it |
| 16:49:20 | doughec | really? |
| 16:49:23 | doughec | wow |
| 16:49:29 | doughec | is it 3d? |
| 16:49:34 | patlabor221 | yes |
| 16:49:40 | PerfectCell | depens on how good it is, so i say wow later |
| 16:49:53 | doughec | one day is wow |
| 16:50:14 | doughec | cool |
| 16:50:15 | PerfectCell | no i done an 3d editor for thoth in one day also |
| 16:50:27 | PerfectCell | f u can zoom and select polys |
| 16:50:46 | PerfectCell | lines and vertices |
| 16:50:47 | doughec | can I download it? |
| 16:50:53 | doughec | for windows? |
| 16:50:57 | PerfectCell | yes |
| 16:51:01 | doughec | GPL it? |
| 16:51:07 | PerfectCell | ?? |
| 16:51:37 | PerfectCell | GPL ??? |
| 16:51:46 | doughec | yah |
| 16:51:49 | PerfectCell | GNU PUBLIC LICENCE |
| 16:51:54 | doughec | like bzflag |
| 16:51:56 | patlabor221 | I just put the source up there |
| 16:51:58 | doughec | er, right? |
| 16:52:12 | PerfectCell | where? |
| 16:52:20 | patlabor221 | http://www.artemisgames.com/code/bz/edit/ |
| 16:52:27 | PerfectCell | k |
| 16:52:46 | patlabor221 | there are no "polys" to select |
| 16:52:59 | patlabor221 | the BZ map is completly object based |
| 16:53:07 | doughec | ah |
| 16:53:19 | PerfectCell | has it interactive selection of objects? |
| 16:53:29 | patlabor221 | doug do you ever actualy play the game? how could you not know this |
| 16:53:30 | PerfectCell | with mouse over and so on? |
| 16:53:38 | patlabor221 | it has picking |
| 16:53:45 | doughec | computer is getting slower, POV-RAY, watching mac world key notes, surfing |
| 16:53:52 | PerfectCell | great |
| 16:53:55 | patlabor221 | ether from a list, or from screen space |
| 16:53:59 | PerfectCell | i say wow now |
| 16:54:07 | patlabor221 | picking is simple |
| 16:54:12 | patlabor221 | just the name buffer |
| 16:54:19 | PerfectCell | not its not |
| 16:54:24 | patlabor221 | yes it is |
| 16:54:39 | patlabor221 | you just render your scene wiht names for eveything |
| 16:54:48 | PerfectCell | but without such cheap name buffer |
| 16:55:02 | patlabor221 | what do you mean cheap? it's part of openGL |
| 16:55:02 | PerfectCell | because name buffer is slow |
| 16:55:21 | PerfectCell | if an objekt has 10.000 polys so |
| 16:55:30 | PerfectCell | how do u do that with name buffer |
| 16:55:46 | PerfectCell | if u wanna edit on poly level |
| 16:56:04 | PerfectCell | u have to unprojekt a ray |
| 16:56:05 | patlabor221 | you can bracket the scen you render to just render the polys in the slection frustum |
| 16:56:14 | patlabor221 | no just cull |
| 16:56:34 | patlabor221 | cull all the object ouside our seleciton frustim |
| 16:56:43 | patlabor221 | then cull the polys |
| 16:56:50 | patlabor221 | then run the rest throuhg the namer |
| 16:57:09 | patlabor221 | ray projection can get wierd becust it's not pixel based |
| 16:57:17 | PerfectCell | let me think about it, why was that not the right way for me |
| 16:57:23 | patlabor221 | and pouse position is |
| 16:57:33 | patlabor221 | it's not the best for all thhings |
| 16:57:44 | patlabor221 | if I was goign to do large model stuff |
| 16:57:49 | PerfectCell | yes |
| 16:57:52 | patlabor221 | I'd put all the polys into a BSP for easy sorting |
| 16:58:01 | PerfectCell | OCTTREE |
| 16:58:08 | patlabor221 | similar thing |
| 16:58:23 | patlabor221 | but some sort of spacial tree |
| 16:58:26 | PerfectCell | i know but i used an octree space partition |
| 16:58:43 | patlabor221 | octrees are just BSPs wiht more dimensions |
| 16:58:51 | PerfectCell | right |
| 16:59:01 | patlabor221 | you would want that for rendering too |
| 16:59:10 | doughec | how did you compile bzedit for windows? |
| 16:59:17 | doughec | I needs gnome libs, right? |
| 16:59:19 | patlabor221 | with a compiler |
| 16:59:24 | patlabor221 | WHAT???! |
| 16:59:29 | doughec | well, it does |
| 16:59:31 | patlabor221 | doug do you know anything |
| 16:59:33 | patlabor221 | no it dosn't |
| 16:59:39 | patlabor221 | it's a MFC app |
| 16:59:47 | doughec | captain_proton told me |
| 16:59:58 | patlabor221 | his one is linux only |
| 17:00:04 | patlabor221 | mine is mFC |
| 17:00:08 | patlabor221 | they are difrent |
| 17:00:08 | doughec | oh, you rewrote it? |
| 17:00:18 | patlabor221 | no I wrote my own |
| 17:00:25 | doughec | ooohh |
| 17:00:25 | patlabor221 | I didn't find out he had his till later |
| 17:00:29 | doughec | cool |
| 17:00:33 | PerfectCell | what is the best to highlight selected lines over polygons |
| 17:00:36 | patlabor221 | then I gave him my code |
| 17:00:49 | PerfectCell | best way? |
| 17:00:49 | patlabor221 | and he incorporated some of my stuff into his |
| 17:00:53 | doughec | wow |
| 17:00:58 | doughec | he did? |
| 17:01:01 | patlabor221 | what do you mean lines? |
| 17:01:01 | doughec | cool |
| 17:01:04 | patlabor221 | like the outlines |
| 17:01:23 | patlabor221 | I usualy just invert the color of the poly |
| 17:01:34 | PerfectCell | i need aline selection pick, and i want to highligt the selected edges(lines) |
| 17:01:52 | patlabor221 | ohh |
| 17:01:59 | patlabor221 | then I do a polygon offset |
| 17:02:14 | patlabor221 | then draw GL_LINELOOP |
| 17:02:17 | patlabor221 | around the verts |
| 17:02:19 | PerfectCell | yes but that does not work with GL_LINES |
| 17:02:21 | patlabor221 | wiht some color |
| 17:02:38 | patlabor221 | I't's worked for me |
| 17:02:44 | PerfectCell | k |
| 17:02:50 | patlabor221 | you could also turn off the depth test |
| 17:02:57 | patlabor221 | I don't recall what I did |
| 17:03:02 | PerfectCell | i changed depth buffer depth |
| 17:03:06 | patlabor221 | don't do much modeler work, I have other apps I use |
| 17:03:14 | patlabor221 | just turn off the test |
| 17:03:21 | patlabor221 | glDepthMask(0) |
| 17:03:37 | PerfectCell | yes but then hidden edges get visible also |
| 17:03:51 | PerfectCell | f thats not what i want |
| 17:03:51 | patlabor221 | that is true |
| 17:03:58 | patlabor221 | I dono |
| 17:04:12 | patlabor221 | check opengl.org I think they had a highlight demp |
| 17:04:19 | PerfectCell | but i test ur editor now |
| 17:04:23 | PerfectCell | f thank u |
| 17:04:40 | patlabor221 | I haven't worked on it in a while |
| 17:04:52 | patlabor221 | I don't like the interface |
| 17:05:07 | PerfectCell | well lets see maybe i like it |
| 17:05:34 | patlabor221 | I'd make one for 1.8 but they don't have a new world file yet |
| 17:05:45 | doughec | heh |
| 17:05:52 | doughec | its going to change alot |
| 17:06:02 | patlabor221 | yes |
| 17:06:11 | doughec | I think the final is going to be XML though |
| 17:06:14 | patlabor221 | it's going to be a lot more compicated |
| 17:06:18 | doughec | yah |
| 17:06:20 | patlabor221 | XML is just the container |
| 17:06:30 | patlabor221 | what maters is what's inside |
| 17:06:35 | doughec | yea |
| 17:06:41 | doughec | the format |
| 17:06:48 | patlabor221 | no the data |
| 17:06:57 | doughec | heh |
| 17:07:24 | patlabor221 | I just know I won't be using XML for my format, no need |
| 17:07:35 | patlabor221 | no maps and models at least |
| 17:07:45 | doughec | lol |
| 17:08:05 | patlabor221 | there are existing formats for models that will work just fine |
| 17:08:20 | doughec | hmmm |
| 17:09:17 | PerfectCell | very nice editor |
| 17:09:57 | patlabor221 | it needs draging |
| 17:10:20 | PerfectCell | yes would be nice, but not that important |
| 17:10:31 | patlabor221 | I think it is, I'm to lasy to type |
| 17:10:40 | PerfectCell | it needs an interactive transformation tool |
| 17:10:49 | doughec | lol |
| 17:10:58 | patlabor221 | that's one of the things I was working on at one point |
| 17:11:10 | patlabor221 | the source that's there has part of it implemented |
| 17:12:10 | PerfectCell | thank u for the source |
| 17:12:32 | patlabor221 | sure, other people asked for it to, so I put it up. |
| 17:12:50 | patlabor221 | all I ask is that if you make something out of it you send me a copy so that I can see what was done :) |
| 17:13:08 | doughec | lol |
| 17:13:26 | PerfectCell | is there a zoom object fuction |
| 17:13:37 | PerfectCell | zomm selection |
| 17:13:58 | patlabor221 | what do you mean? |
| 17:14:03 | patlabor221 | like center on selection? |
| 17:14:42 | PerfectCell | i mean selected objects are zoomed so that they cover almost the whole viewplane |
| 17:15:05 | PerfectCell | like in 3d studio max |
| 17:15:48 | patlabor221 | ohh no |
| 17:15:52 | patlabor221 | nothing like that |
| 17:16:10 | patlabor221 | what would be the point, you can't change details on an object |
| 17:16:13 | patlabor221 | not even texture |
| 17:16:38 | patlabor221 | all you can do is arange those 4 object types |
| 17:16:58 | PerfectCell | k |
| 17:17:06 | patlabor221 | BZ is very simple |
| 17:17:21 | patlabor221 | at least untill 1.8 |
| 17:17:31 | patlabor221 | then it's a whole new ball game |
| 17:17:34 | doughec | this is the same as the linux bzedit |
| 17:17:39 | patlabor221 | no |
| 17:17:39 | PerfectCell | but its kinda fantastic for one day work, u must had been an very experienced with opengl API and MFC |
| 17:17:54 | patlabor221 | well it is my job to be |
| 17:17:56 | doughec | hrm, what is pocket engine? |
| 17:18:07 | patlabor221 | my gl setup library |
| 17:18:15 | patlabor221 | it sets up a gl window |
| 17:18:23 | patlabor221 | and all the stuff it needs |
| 17:18:26 | doughec | oh, cool |
| 17:18:28 | PerfectCell | yes |
| 17:18:36 | patlabor221 | saves me from writing the same common code each time |
| 17:18:39 | patlabor221 | I need a new app |
| 17:18:44 | PerfectCell | cool so u where prepared |
| 17:18:46 | doughec | hrm |
| 17:18:59 | patlabor221 | with that and MFC I can make an opengl app in about 4 min |
| 17:19:11 | PerfectCell | i know |
| 17:19:14 | patlabor221 | I have since renamed it LGE |
| 17:19:19 | patlabor221 | for little gl engine |
| 17:19:46 | PerfectCell | i used CSGL for my project, a c# wrapper for opengl |
| 17:19:58 | patlabor221 | ahhh |
| 17:20:20 | patlabor221 | Iperfer making my own so I know what it's doing inside |
| 17:20:29 | PerfectCell | one more question since u seem very familier with open GL |
| 17:20:46 | patlabor221 | sure |
| 17:20:53 | PerfectCell | f how is it possible to put the vertex buffer into AGP memory |
| 17:21:07 | PerfectCell | i can do that with directx easy |
| 17:21:27 | patlabor221 | you can in GL you just have to use exensions |
| 17:21:38 | patlabor221 | it will be easyer in GL 2.0 |
| 17:21:45 | PerfectCell | ah, k |
| 17:21:55 | patlabor221 | there are vertex buffer exesnions for the major cards |
| 17:22:11 | PerfectCell | so have to look @ nvidia |
| 17:22:16 | patlabor221 | yes |
| 17:22:27 | patlabor221 | but then that only works on there cards |
| 17:22:30 | doughec | ouch |
| 17:22:34 | doughec | bzedit crashed |
| 17:22:50 | patlabor221 | the built one or the binary one? |
| 17:27:02 | patlabor221 | lunch time |
| 18:03:55 | PerfectCell | whats pocket engine? |
| 18:19:10 | Cell | LoadSTL() not implemented |
| 18:19:38 | Cell | i say |
| 18:20:51 | Cell | that would be nice |
| 18:22:09 | patlabor221 | ohh it would be easy to implement |
| 18:22:18 | patlabor221 | I just did the ones I needed right away |
| 18:22:30 | patlabor221 | STL's suck they don't have surface normals |
| 18:22:35 | Cell | i know i mad an stl loader |
| 18:22:46 | Cell | f they have surface normals |
| 18:22:54 | patlabor221 | only face normals |
| 18:22:57 | patlabor221 | not vertex |
| 18:23:06 | Cell | yes |
| 18:23:18 | Cell | and the mesh is not indexed |
| 18:23:25 | patlabor221 | indexing is easy |
| 18:23:40 | Cell | so there is much redundant vertex data |
| 18:23:49 | patlabor221 | it's a very very old format |
| 18:23:55 | patlabor221 | do you know what's it's used for? |
| 18:24:08 | Cell | yes |
| 18:24:37 | Cell | f its used for , wait i dont know the words in english |
| 18:25:03 | patlabor221 | we call it Sterio lithography |
| 18:25:19 | patlabor221 | fun with lasers and resin |
| 18:25:34 | Cell | yes thats the point |
| 18:25:52 | patlabor221 | they usualy use very high polycounts for those |
| 18:26:03 | patlabor221 | I prefer OBJ for real time models tho |
| 18:26:12 | patlabor221 | it's got everything you need for static models |
| 18:26:14 | Cell | yes, my models have about 100.000 vertices |
| 18:26:32 | patlabor221 | for what? just renders? |
| 18:26:37 | Cell | no |
| 18:26:54 | Cell | for reconstruction of damaged tooths |
| 18:26:58 | Cell | teeth |
| 18:26:59 | patlabor221 | ahhhhh |
| 18:27:18 | patlabor221 | I'd think you would use some kind of surface fit then |
| 18:27:43 | patlabor221 | it's scan data? |
| 18:27:44 | Cell | its not that easy, there are many things to be considert |
| 18:27:50 | Cell | yes its scan data |
| 18:28:01 | patlabor221 | yeah there are a lot of issues with that |
| 18:28:08 | patlabor221 | I hate machining scan data |
| 18:28:15 | patlabor221 | very un orderd |
| 18:28:49 | Cell | yes thats the main problem |
| 18:29:49 | patlabor221 | we have customers that try to make solids from scan data, never works out as good as they think it will |
| 18:30:38 | Cell | i do not have any experience with that |
| 18:30:58 | patlabor221 | it's not easy |
| 18:31:34 | Cell | i just have to implement an tooth reconstruction editor from a scanned dameged tooth and save it again as stl file |
| 18:31:40 | patlabor221 | have to take the verts and fit a surface(s) to them. then make those into a manafold body. |
| 18:32:16 | Cell | do u mean NURBS surfaces |
| 18:32:24 | patlabor221 | not exaclty |
| 18:32:27 | patlabor221 | but the idea is the same |
| 18:32:50 | patlabor221 | a solid is a manafold coletion of faces, and those faces can be surfaces or primitives |
| 18:32:58 | patlabor221 | not nesisaraly nurbs |
| 18:33:16 | patlabor221 | but the same type of idea |
| 18:33:23 | Cell | k and what is the advantage of that |
| 18:33:44 | patlabor221 | you get full topolgoy |
| 18:33:52 | patlabor221 | full boolean ops |
| 18:34:06 | patlabor221 | and scalability of the model |
| 18:34:14 | Cell | but much more diffiuclt to handle mathematically and numerically |
| 18:34:31 | patlabor221 | well if it's not from a scan it's easyer |
| 18:34:38 | patlabor221 | the edges are just plines |
| 18:34:42 | patlabor221 | sorry splines |
| 18:34:48 | patlabor221 | very easy to interogate |
| 18:34:52 | patlabor221 | and very very acurate |
| 18:35:07 | patlabor221 | most of our solids are made from primitives |
| 18:35:21 | patlabor221 | like extrusions and revolutions |
| 18:35:26 | patlabor221 | then doing booleans on them |
| 18:35:33 | Cell | fbut its not that easy to control parametric surfaces |
| 18:35:35 | patlabor221 | it's CAD/CAM software |
| 18:35:50 | patlabor221 | sure it is, thats why they are parametic |
| 18:35:51 | Cell | f cause they only approximiiate |
| 18:36:10 | Cell | but i need very exact reconstruction |
| 18:36:40 | patlabor221 | since your coming from scan data teleations are proalbe best for you |
| 18:36:48 | patlabor221 | sory teselations |
| 18:36:52 | patlabor221 | we don't go to STL |
| 18:36:56 | patlabor221 | we go to a CNC machine |
| 18:37:13 | patlabor221 | we have to slice the thing into 2d and 3d contour paths |
| 18:37:32 | patlabor221 | so we need to be able to make acurate interigations where there is no input data |
| 18:37:50 | Cell | explain pls |
| 18:37:50 | patlabor221 | and the liniar interpolation of facets would not be acurate engouht |
| 18:38:00 | patlabor221 | if I had a sphere |
| 18:38:08 | Cell | yes |
| 18:38:28 | patlabor221 | as a solid I can interigate any point on that sphere at a very high acuracy |
| 18:38:44 | Cell | interigate? |
| 18:38:44 | patlabor221 | since every point is defined as the solution to an equasion |
| 18:39:08 | patlabor221 | I can take an XY vaue and get the Z from on the sphere |
| 18:39:21 | patlabor221 | for any given X Y location |
| 18:39:38 | patlabor221 | if I had triangles I would only be as acurate as the vertex data |
| 18:39:49 | patlabor221 | inbetween those verts is just a flat face |
| 18:39:58 | patlabor221 | where the real surface I am trying to model is curved |
| 18:40:02 | patlabor221 | there would be error |
| 18:40:04 | Cell | yes |
| 18:40:13 | Cell | thas clear |
| 18:40:33 | patlabor221 | we have to make a smooth curve over the sphere so that a machine can run a tool along the path |
| 18:40:49 | patlabor221 | evaluating the surfaces is more acurate then the facet model |
| 18:40:49 | Cell | k thats spline interpolation |
| 18:40:54 | patlabor221 | yes |
| 18:41:09 | patlabor221 | when the underlying model is a curve it's easyer to get that path |
| 18:41:18 | Cell | yes but i cannot use that |
| 18:41:22 | patlabor221 | I know |
| 18:41:36 | patlabor221 | for you what you have is best |
| 18:41:44 | Cell | yes |
| 18:42:17 | Cell | everything other could improve accurancy but could also worse it |
| 18:42:48 | patlabor221 | yes |
| 18:42:59 | patlabor221 | surfaces are only as good as there input |
| 18:43:10 | patlabor221 | and the tolerance that they are evaluated at |
| 18:43:39 | patlabor221 | since our inital input is a mathamaticly acurate curve it works for us |
| 18:43:48 | Cell | clear |
| 18:48:06 | Cell | how do i pan in ur bzflageditor |
| 18:48:33 | patlabor221 | control drag I think |
| 18:48:53 | patlabor221 | controll right drag |
| 18:49:15 | Cell | yes |
| 18:49:19 | patlabor221 | shift right drag does a XY pan |
| 18:49:31 | patlabor221 | ctron right drag does a XZ pan |
| 18:49:44 | Cell | nice |
| 18:49:52 | patlabor221 | wheel zooms |
| 18:50:26 | Cell | what is the center of ratation after i paned |
| 18:51:06 | patlabor221 | should be middle of the screen |
| 18:51:37 | Cell | it has to be a 3d point in world space, i thing |
| 18:51:42 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 18:52:12 | patlabor221 | it should be a projection form the middle of the screen back some distance ( the zoom ) |
| 18:52:38 | Cell | yes thats it |
| 18:53:39 | patlabor221 | it's an earlyer version of my "thrid person" view transform |
| 18:54:13 | Cell | whats about it |
| 18:54:34 | patlabor221 | ohh It' just older, I've redone it since then |
| 18:54:47 | patlabor221 | to allow for FOV changes |
| 18:54:59 | Cell | i use a simal technique |
| 18:55:07 | Cell | similar |
| 18:55:48 | Cell | but i also ratate about the center of selected objects |
| 18:55:54 | patlabor221 | I've since changed a fair amount in the little engine |
| 18:56:03 | patlabor221 | I had a mode that did that |
| 18:56:24 | Cell | when did u made the editor |
| 18:56:25 | patlabor221 | but it wasn't desgned for editors, I just used it for that |
| 18:56:44 | patlabor221 | started it bout 6 months ago I think |
| 18:57:02 | patlabor221 | don't remember exaclty when |
| 18:57:06 | Cell | then its not that old |
| 18:57:45 | patlabor221 | no no |
| 18:58:03 | patlabor221 | it's just that I've worked on my libs since the verison I used for that thing |
| 18:58:40 | Cell | can the zoomfactor be adjusted |
| 18:58:40 | patlabor221 | the GL lib is almost working on linux now too |
| 18:58:57 | Cell | thats gret |
| 18:59:01 | jpablo | hi |
| 18:59:13 | patlabor221 | hello |
| 18:59:47 | jpablo | hey patlabor221. |
| 19:15:50 | [TeA] | hello |
| 19:15:56 | [TeA] | i have bithday today |
| 19:15:57 | [TeA] | :) |
| 19:42:10 | arathorn | hi all |
| 19:43:02 | metal_magic | hi (but guess nobody else is here :-)) |
| 19:43:32 | arathorn | ok :)) |
| 19:44:49 | jzaun | some are :-) |
| 19:44:57 | jzaun | just busy with other things right now |
| 19:45:10 | arathorn | its ok |
| 19:45:39 | | arathorn: i'm not following you... |
| 19:45:39 | arathorn | ibot:bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 19:45:51 | jzaun | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 19:45:52 | bzbot | thejeepster (Red):-22 (14 wins, 36 losses). harrowed 1 (Red):3 (12 wins, 9 losses). Jonny (Green):25 (49 wins, 24 losses). okapi (Green):0 (7 wins, 7 losses). T-34 (Green):0 (3 wins, 3 losses). ShadowKiller (Red):-5 (3 wins, 8 losses). mj (Green):0 (4 wins, 4 losses). |
| 19:46:50 | arathorn | t-34 is on ducati |
| 19:47:01 | arathorn | go on ducati:) |
| 20:08:01 | Widget | Goo' morning. |
| 20:08:09 | doughec | howdy Widget |
| 20:08:14 | Widget | bzfquery ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 20:08:14 | bzbot | Red: 4 players, score: 29 | Green: 4 players, score: -29 | |
| 20:08:29 | doughec | hehe, are optical mice good for bzflag? |
| 20:09:33 | Widget | I wouldn't know. |
| 20:09:36 | Widget | I don't even have a mouse. |
| 20:09:40 | doughec | gah |
| 20:09:42 | doughec | thats right |
| 20:09:51 | doughec | you use a tablet |
| 20:09:53 | doughec | right? |
| 20:09:55 | Widget | Eep. So many flames on the forums.- |
| 20:09:59 | Widget | No, I use the keyboard. |
| 20:10:02 | doughec | ?? |
| 20:10:07 | Widget | Ever try playing BZFlag with a trackpad? |
| 20:10:09 | Widget | Impossible. |
| 20:10:14 | doughec | yup, :Z |
| 20:10:15 | doughec | :) |
| 20:10:50 | doughec | how do you play bzflag then? |
| 20:10:54 | doughec | arrows? |
| 20:13:30 | patlabor221 | mouse type does not mater for a game |
| 20:13:37 | patlabor221 | and yes opticals are fine |
| 20:13:45 | patlabor221 | Use one everywhere now |
| 20:13:51 | doughec | yup |
| 20:13:53 | patlabor221 | can't stand those ball mine |
| 20:13:55 | patlabor221 | mice |
| 20:14:09 | doughec | lol |
| 20:14:21 | doughec | /. made me get a optical |
| 20:14:27 | doughec | :) |
| 20:15:18 | patlabor221 | they seem to make you do a lot of things |
| 20:15:29 | doughec | not me... |
| 20:18:27 | patlabor221 | the alice thing? |
| 20:19:18 | doughec | hmm, I had alice for about a year before it was on slashdot, or even before I heard of slashdot |
| 20:23:52 | Widget | Huh? |
| 20:28:06 | doughec | I lost my touch in bzflag |
| 20:28:22 | | perfectcell was last seen on #bzflag 2 hours, 24 minutes and 27 seconds ago, saying: whats pocket engine? [Thu Jul 18 19:03:55 2002] |
| 20:28:22 | doughec | ibot seen perfectcell |
| 20:28:41 | doughec | what else did you make that uses pocket engine? |
| 20:34:25 | doughec | lo arathorn |
| 20:34:36 | | t-34 was last seen on #bzflag 3 days, 22 hours, 46 minutes and 49 seconds ago, saying: bye all [Sun Jul 14 22:47:47 2002] |
| 20:34:36 | arathorn | ibot:seen t-34 |
| 20:34:47 | arathorn | hi doughec |
| 20:35:34 | arathorn | bzfquery ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 20:35:35 | bzbot | Red: 2 players, score: 31 | Green: 3 players, score: -31 | |
| 20:35:44 | arathorn | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 20:35:45 | bzbot | snail (Red):-2 (24 wins, 26 losses). Widget (Red):-1 (6 wins, 7 losses). CapN (Green):-1 (1 wins, 2 losses). mj (Green):2 (6 wins, 4 losses). MIRELLA (Green):52 (124 wins, 72 losses). |
| 20:36:16 | doughec | lo Zig |
| 20:36:21 | Zig | hi |
| 20:57:16 | Widget | hihihi, Zig. |
| 20:57:51 | Widget | "Mi maniera de divertir me es dicer le veritate. Iste es le joco plus |
| 20:57:51 | Widget | jocose del mundo." (G.B. Shaw) |
| 20:58:32 | patlabor221 | doug: I've made a number of test things |
| 20:58:37 | patlabor221 | with that lib |
| 20:58:54 | Widget | noi ke'a le du'u ke'a prije ja certu |
| 20:59:01 | Widget | kei genai xusra ginai tolxusra |
| 21:00:22 | patlabor221 | doughec: mostly model readers for various game fromats |
| 21:01:21 | patlabor221 | anyone know a good IDE on linux? |
| 21:01:38 | jzaun | Ajentta (sp?) |
| 21:02:49 | jzaun | Anjuta is how its spelled |
| 21:02:55 | jzaun | if the best I've found |
| 21:03:47 | patlabor221 | cus Kdevelop sucks |
| 21:05:11 | jzaun | http://anjuta.sourceforge.net/ |
| 21:05:27 | patlabor221 | yeah there now, thanks |
| 21:06:03 | patlabor221 | I realy need to get a mouse with more then one button on that machine |
| 21:06:36 | jzaun | hehe... I got a logitach mouse... 3 button scroll wheal lazer, very nice |
| 21:06:40 | jzaun | 20 bucks |
| 21:06:57 | patlabor221 | yeah got one of those at home too |
| 21:07:00 | patlabor221 | this is at work |
| 21:07:09 | patlabor221 | all I could find was a dammed iPuck |
| 21:07:10 | doughec | yea |
| 21:07:13 | doughec | I have the same one |
| 21:07:24 | patlabor221 | and it's not a laser |
| 21:07:26 | patlabor221 | it's an LED |
| 21:07:34 | doughec | yup |
| 21:07:38 | jzaun | eh... LED then, the little light thingy |
| 21:07:47 | doughec | I want a white LED mouse... |
| 21:07:49 | doughec | :) |
| 21:08:01 | doughec | white LED need more power |
| 21:08:05 | doughec | though |
| 21:08:11 | patlabor221 | wouldn't work very well on most surfaces tho |
| 21:08:11 | jzaun | Run to radio schak and buy a white LED... shouldn't be hard to replace |
| 21:08:21 | patlabor221 | sensor looks for red |
| 21:08:29 | doughec | I have tons of white leds |
| 21:08:37 | doughec | patlabor221: yea |
| 21:08:47 | doughec | but it would be cool if they could see white |
| 21:08:49 | patlabor221 | now green that would be cool |
| 21:08:53 | jzaun | put a little piece of red celifane over the censor.. |
| 21:08:58 | doughec | hrm, yea |
| 21:09:05 | patlabor221 | they can, it's just that most surfaces are whiteish |
| 21:09:13 | patlabor221 | red is a good contrast |
| 21:09:34 | doughec | I aint breaking my new mouse just for a whim |
| 21:09:58 | patlabor221 | proalby a good idea |
| 21:10:04 | doughec | heh |
| 21:10:07 | doughec | hrm |
| 21:10:11 | doughec | but get a cheap on... |
| 21:10:11 | jzaun | I personally want a system that just follows where my eye is lookin at the screen.. right wink, left wink and blink for the 3 buttons. |
| 21:10:25 | doughec | how would you play bzflag? |
| 21:10:33 | doughec | laser eyes! |
| 21:10:45 | doughec | just look at someone and, boom, there they go |
| 21:10:55 | patlabor221 | they have systems like that now |
| 21:11:03 | doughec | yea |
| 21:11:05 | patlabor221 | you should try a FPS with a touch screen |
| 21:11:05 | jzaun | yah, but for under 1000 bucks? |
| 21:11:08 | patlabor221 | point and die |
| 21:11:13 | doughec | lol |
| 21:11:17 | doughec | now that would be cool |
| 21:11:21 | patlabor221 | it was |
| 21:11:25 | doughec | hrm |
| 21:11:27 | patlabor221 | lots of smuges tho |
| 21:11:30 | doughec | lol |
| 21:13:23 | doughec | Well, all I know is if builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then the first woodpecker that came along would destroy civilization. |
| 21:13:45 | patlabor221 | that is an old one |
| 21:13:50 | doughec | heh |
| 21:13:58 | doughec | The faster a computer is, the faster it will reach a crashed state. |
| 21:14:03 | patlabor221 | and didn't you hear about the great woobpecker scare of '32 |
| 21:14:12 | doughec | um, nope |
| 21:14:16 | doughec | ;) |
| 21:15:08 | doughec | hrm, this is true: Any instrument when dropped will roll into the least accessible corner. |
| 21:19:00 | doughec | lo MrApathyCream |
| 21:19:49 | MrApathyCream | yo |
| 21:29:08 | patlabor221 | anyone know how I would find out where the RPM installed anjuta to? |
| 21:29:29 | jzaun | as root run updatedb |
| 21:29:40 | jzaun | then as root type locate anjuta |
| 21:30:05 | patlabor221 | got it |
| 21:30:17 | jzaun | mostlikly the prefix wat /usr so /usr/bin would be the binaraies location |
| 21:30:18 | patlabor221 | it was nice and made an icon in gome for me |
| 21:30:30 | jzaun | yup:-) |
| 21:30:32 | jzaun | that too |
| 21:30:43 | patlabor221 | I didn't expect it |
| 21:31:34 | jzaun | I'm still waiting for an IDE that build a GLAD like system into it |
| 21:33:44 | patlabor221 | anyway to get this thing to have all the sub windows docked into the main? |
| 21:36:58 | jzaun | yah... but I forget where there is an option |
| 22:10:52 | jzaun | patlabor221: How do you like Anjuta? |
| 22:11:02 | patlabor221 | trying to configure it |
| 22:11:40 | jzaun | yah there are alot |
| 22:11:46 | jzaun | I personally just like vi |
| 22:11:51 | jzaun | more fexible |
| 22:12:38 | patlabor221 | I just hate command line builds |
| 22:12:49 | patlabor221 | I like class browsers and project files |
| 22:12:54 | jzaun | what? "make" :-) |
| 22:13:07 | patlabor221 | no editing that damned make file |
| 22:13:23 | jzaun | I like them too.. would be nice if there was a VisualBasic style IDE for gnome |
| 22:14:10 | patlabor221 | or dev studio, they are similar |
| 22:14:14 | patlabor221 | that sucker just workd |
| 22:14:18 | patlabor221 | works |
| 22:15:36 | patlabor221 | bah seems I don't have glut |
| 22:17:55 | Wing_ | paulj you there? |
| 22:19:17 | captain_proton | harro |
| 22:20:28 | Wing_ | hello |
| 22:20:36 | Chestal | how many hours is your flight back home? |
| 22:22:44 | captain_proton | hmm - with both parts and 1:30 layover, totals about 13 hours or so |
| 22:23:37 | Chestal | sounds like fun ;-) |
| 22:23:57 | captain_proton | i get back to my house approximately the same time my flight takes off from narita |
| 22:26:12 | captain_proton | haha - someone just described themself to me as 'the little engine who never could' |
| 22:28:17 | Wing_ | I remember going from San Francisco to New Delhi, India |
| 22:28:44 | Wing_ | over the pacific... to Korea then down to singapore |
| 22:28:50 | Wing_ | then to New Delhi |
| 22:29:05 | Wing_ | a total of about 20 hours with stopovers |
| 22:29:50 | captain_proton | when coming the other direction all the flights/layovers/etc totaled about 24 hours |
| 22:30:00 | Wing_ | eesh |
| 22:30:11 | Wing_ | where are you going from? |
| 22:31:10 | doughec | ouch |
| 22:31:25 | captain_proton | denver |
| 22:31:29 | Wing_ | to? |
| 22:31:50 | captain_proton | well |
| 22:31:56 | captain_proton | right now i'm in yokohama |
| 22:32:04 | Wing_ | Japan? |
| 22:32:07 | captain_proton | yes |
| 22:32:32 | doughec | what are you doing there? |
| 22:32:45 | captain_proton | doughec: partaying |
| 22:32:53 | Wing_ | haha |
| 22:32:56 | Wing_ | work stuff? |
| 22:33:03 | captain_proton | no not really |
| 22:33:16 | captain_proton | i have been attending the ietf conference (as a student), but that wasn't the point of the trip |
| 22:33:29 | doughec | ah |
| 22:33:46 | Wing_ | well what ever it was hope it was fun |
| 22:33:58 | Wing_ | I sometimes wish to just leave the place I am at |
| 22:34:05 | Wing_ | boring has heck |
| 22:34:08 | captain_proton | yes, its been a blast |
| 22:34:10 | doughec | ever benn to greece? |
| 22:34:37 | Wing_ | no |
| 22:34:50 | doughec | nice |
| 22:34:52 | doughec | :) |
| 22:34:53 | doughec | good food |
| 22:35:03 | Wing_ | i have heard |
| 22:35:19 | Wing_ | I would love to go there some day and study a bit on their culture |
| 22:35:28 | doughec | heh |
| 22:35:35 | doughec | or see the sites... |
| 22:35:46 | doughec | go there during the spring |
| 22:35:48 | doughec | nice weather |
| 22:35:48 | Wing_ | ofcourse... that's part of studying:) |
| 22:35:56 | doughec | lol |
| 22:36:05 | doughec | but spring is a bit rainy |
| 22:36:14 | Wing_ | You been to India? |
| 22:36:15 | doughec | but better than cooking |
| 22:36:18 | doughec | hot |
| 22:36:21 | doughec | nope |
| 22:36:32 | Wing_ | Greece sounds a lot like it |
| 22:36:32 | doughec | greece and mexico is the only places I have ben |
| 22:36:38 | doughec | heh |
| 22:36:46 | Wing_ | Hot... rainy... good food... great culture |
| 22:37:00 | doughec | problem is going during spring is that most tourist places are closed |
| 22:37:27 | Wing_ | ahh |
| 22:37:29 | doughec | but goto Zakenthos, a big island off the coast of greece |
| 22:37:33 | doughec | :) |
| 22:37:53 | Wing_ | lovely |
| 22:38:00 | doughec | kinda boring with no tourist spots I guess, but there is a place where the water is as blue as the sky |
| 22:38:04 | doughec | :) |
| 22:38:07 | Wing_ | heh |
| 22:38:27 | Wing_ | So you haven't been to America? |
| 22:38:37 | doughec | heh, I am in america |
| 22:38:40 | Wing_ | oh |
| 22:38:40 | doughec | lol |
| 22:38:49 | captain_proton | argg |
| 22:38:55 | Wing_ | you said... "reece and mexico is the only places I have ben" |
| 22:39:01 | captain_proton | i thought 'NaN' was a valid symbol - whats the float error code? |
| 22:39:10 | doughec | kentucky, the worst place to get a flight out of, is where I am |
| 22:39:20 | Wing_ | ahh |
| 22:39:22 | doughec | international airport... |
| 22:39:25 | Wing_ | I am in sunny California |
| 22:39:45 | doughec | bah, you need to go to another air port for international airport |
| 22:39:48 | doughec | :) |
| 22:39:59 | Wing_ | hehe |
| 22:40:48 | Wing_ | so how long have you been playing bz |
| 22:40:55 | doughec | hrm |
| 22:41:02 | doughec | a couple of years |
| 22:41:11 | doughec | back with e2 I think |
| 22:41:13 | doughec | or e3 |
| 22:41:15 | Wing_ | 1.5 for me |
| 22:41:19 | doughec | ;p; |
| 22:41:21 | doughec | er |
| 22:41:22 | doughec | lol |
| 22:41:24 | Wing_ | haha |
| 22:41:36 | Wing_ | i remember playing d i think |
| 22:41:42 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 22:41:43 | doughec | I am currently at 1.7e1 |
| 22:41:45 | captain_proton | i played d |
| 22:41:45 | doughec | ;) |
| 22:41:48 | doughec | hrm |
| 22:41:54 | doughec | d... |
| 22:41:59 | doughec | what about 1? |
| 22:42:02 | doughec | or a |
| 22:42:13 | Wing_ | I think I liked the explosions on d |
| 22:42:15 | Wing_ | no |
| 22:42:25 | Wing_ | I haven't played 1 |
| 22:42:29 | Wing_ | or a |
| 22:42:35 | doughec | heh |
| 22:42:38 | Wing_ | looking forward to 1.8 though |
| 22:42:43 | doughec | lol |
| 22:42:58 | Wing_ | maybe i should start working on the code for it... |
| 22:43:23 | captain_proton | yes yes! |
| 22:43:27 | Wing_ | captain_proton: reccomend me a good compiler for C++ thats free that i can use |
| 22:43:30 | Wing_ | haha |
| 22:43:32 | captain_proton | gcc |
| 22:43:46 | Wing_ | gcc... where can i get it? |
| 22:44:00 | captain_proton | www.gnu.org |
| 22:44:12 | Wing_ | i have a borland, but is only command line |
| 22:44:25 | doughec | gosh, gcc comes with OS X 1.2 |
| 22:44:28 | captain_proton | on windows, the only compiler that will work is VC++ |
| 22:44:44 | doughec | yea |
| 22:44:47 | captain_proton | soo, either (a) pirate [not condoning this], (b) buy, or (c) get a real operating system |
| 22:45:09 | doughec | lol |
| 22:45:10 | Wing_ | haha |
| 22:45:29 | doughec | hey! pirate from me! |
| 22:45:31 | Wing_ | i am thinking of switching to Linux this summer... but don't know which to use... |
| 22:45:39 | doughec | and boom, microsoft kills me |
| 22:45:48 | doughec | use redhat!!! |
| 22:45:50 | Wing_ | i can get a pirate version... but i don't wanna use it |
| 22:45:55 | doughec | RedHat linux |
| 22:46:05 | Chestal | we should make bzflag work with cygwin |
| 22:46:06 | captain_proton | yes, go red hat |
| 22:46:10 | captain_proton | good for new users |
| 22:46:14 | doughec | yea |
| 22:46:15 | captain_proton | Chestal: agreed |
| 22:46:23 | captain_proton | Chestal: does 1.8 work with gcc 3.x yet? |
| 22:46:25 | doughec | bzflag work with cygwin? |
| 22:46:28 | Chestal | is there anything to be done except writing the config files? |
| 22:46:30 | doughec | ugh |
| 22:46:37 | Chestal | proton: works with g++ 3.1 |
| 22:46:41 | Chestal | haven't tried 3.0 |
| 22:46:58 | captain_proton | Chestal: i'm not sure - we should try it and see |
| 22:47:14 | captain_proton | Chestal: probably some oddities with gl libs |
| 22:47:31 | captain_proton | Chestal: as in it runs? |
| 22:47:49 | Chestal | proton: yes, runs fine for me and jzaun |
| 22:48:01 | captain_proton | wonderful |
| 22:48:19 | Chestal | the remaining bug was a subtle one, and I am still not sure which compiler is correct |
| 22:48:36 | captain_proton | Chestal: you wouldn't happen to know the float error symbol for NaN? |
| 22:48:40 | Chestal | problem was that istream of 3.1 doesn't that eof bit when peeking |
| 22:48:58 | Chestal | proton: ehm, I don't understand your question |
| 22:49:10 | captain_proton | ok, there's a specific floating point value that means NaN |
| 22:49:21 | captain_proton | and i'm pretty sure there's a constant for it somewhere in some header |
| 22:49:26 | captain_proton | but i don't know what its called |
| 22:49:34 | Chestal | aren't there different NaNs? But I have no idea what's a pssoible bit pattern for it |
| 22:49:40 | Chestal | hmm |
| 22:50:39 | captain_proton | i have the bit pattern at home, just want the symbol name |
| 22:51:32 | captain_proton | and there are not different NaN's - there are a few different error codes though |
| 22:51:33 | Chestal | I remmeber somethign liek quiet and signaling NaN |
| 22:53:16 | Chestal | numeric_limits<float>::quiet_NaN() etc. |
| 22:53:25 | Chestal | in <limits> |
| 22:54:18 | jzaun | Anyone want to work on a XML map file format? :-) I'de be more than happy to help out |
| 22:57:33 | doughec | patlabor221: you here? |
| 22:58:12 | captain_proton | jzaun: hmm - i think in code a lot of it is specified |
| 22:58:19 | patlabor221 | I am now doug |
| 22:58:21 | captain_proton | jzaun: probably best to just let crs come back to the obstacle stuff |
| 22:58:33 | patlabor221 | doug: had a peeting |
| 22:58:36 | doughec | heh |
| 22:58:38 | patlabor221 | sorry meeting |
| 22:58:51 | doughec | um, about putting a blue LED in a mouse... |
| 22:58:55 | jzaun | captain_proton: ok... just wondering on the actual file format |
| 22:59:00 | doughec | patlabor221: http://www.taconuts.org/articles/2000/dec/3/page2.php |
| 22:59:26 | patlabor221 | that is interesting |
| 22:59:26 | doughec | mix results, but its cool looking |
| 22:59:32 | doughec | mixed* |
| 23:00:07 | patlabor221 | I figured it would make it work worse |
| 23:00:12 | doughec | hrm |
| 23:00:13 | patlabor221 | most surfaces have more blue in them |
| 23:00:21 | doughec | yea people said it did |
| 23:00:22 | patlabor221 | they chose red for a reason |
| 23:00:26 | doughec | yea |
| 23:00:34 | doughec | but some people siad it works fine |
| 23:00:40 | doughec | depends on the desk I think |
| 23:00:46 | patlabor221 | proalby depends on what they use it on |
| 23:00:47 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 23:01:05 | patlabor221 | I like my red one just fine |
| 23:01:06 | jzaun | I have a cheary red desk and it works fine |
| 23:01:29 | doughec | heh |
| 23:01:34 | patlabor221 | blue one would proalby work on on that desk |
| 23:01:39 | doughec | yea |
| 23:01:41 | patlabor221 | but proalby not so well on gray things |
| 23:01:45 | captain_proton | jzaun: as far as geometry is concerned, thats defined in the model format. regions are defined internally in bzfs (for now), and obstacles in some of crs' code |
| 23:01:46 | doughec | erk |
| 23:01:48 | doughec | yea |
| 23:02:25 | captain_proton | Chestal: oop. looks like missing headers (at least on the cygwin here) |
| 23:02:38 | captain_proton | sys/socket.h most importantly |
| 23:03:28 | jzaun | captain_proton: I was thinking on how the actual XML would look, and what all would be in a world file. I really think the author and description should be in there... possibly even default server opeions the author envisioned the world being used with |
| 23:04:13 | captain_proton | jzaun: well, regions handle some of the 'default options' (spawn regions, etc) |
| 23:04:35 | captain_proton | i don't think the world file is an ideal place to put things like max shots, but the author is free to distribute a server config with it |
| 23:04:37 | patlabor221 | looks for a mouse with num_buttons >= 2 |
| 23:04:49 | doughec | heh |
| 23:04:52 | captain_proton | i like the idea of metadata in the world file |
| 23:05:26 | doughec | the logitech scroll mouse has the scroll wheel as a middle button |
| 23:05:28 | jzaun | captain_proton: I think that the author of a world file should have a place to put such meta-data though. |
| 23:06:02 | patlabor221 | ick S3 verge card |
| 23:06:25 | patlabor221 | most wheel mouse do the same |
| 23:06:28 | jzaun | captain_proton: If a design a world what is a KOTH world that should be used with 5 shots and flags on building... there should be a way to me so set those as defaults for the world |
| 23:06:29 | captain_proton | jzaun: yes - perhaps just have a <metatdata> root-level tag (since we allow multiple root level tags), and allow the author to put whatever they want in it (some fields might be used by the server, such as advertising the world name on the list) |
| 23:06:32 | doughec | heh |
| 23:06:50 | jzaun | captain_proton: That would work wonders |
| 23:06:52 | captain_proton | jzaun: yes - 'should be' is the operative phrase |
| 23:07:05 | captain_proton | jzaun: i don't think it makes sense to be defining numbers of shots inside the world file |
| 23:07:17 | captain_proton | jzaun: but i will soon be converting server config to a file |
| 23:07:34 | jzaun | captain_proton: Right, commandline options would overright the default within the world file... |
| 23:07:41 | captain_proton | jzaun: and also creating a 'world registry' - so perhaps i'll allow people to post both the server as well as desirable config |
| 23:08:00 | jzaun | captain_proton: max shots, possibly not, but flags on builds, what style of games, etc I think should be |
| 23:08:11 | captain_proton | jzaun: ehhh |
| 23:08:41 | captain_proton | flags on buildings is inherent in flag-spawn regions |
| 23:09:21 | captain_proton | i'd prefer not to blur the map and the config |
| 23:11:02 | jzaun | captain_proton: I may have to wait till its done to understand what you mean by reagons... as for bluring them... is a map file and config file that use the file name (world.bzw, world.cfg) were loaded that would be fine. I just think that it would be nice as the author of a world to say "There are the settings I designed the world for". |
| 23:11:21 | jzaun | :-( |
| 23:11:32 | jzaun | sorry... wrong window |
| 23:11:35 | captain_proton | jzaun: perhaps a field in the metadata section for default config |
| 23:11:51 | captain_proton | lemme try to explain regions |
| 23:12:24 | captain_proton | regions are 'areas' in space created by CSG operations on boxes and pyramids |
| 23:12:39 | captain_proton | they're used for obstacles (collissions), player spawn, flag spawn, etc |
| 23:12:46 | captain_proton | defined in the world file |
| 23:13:13 | captain_proton | so the world creator could define a 'gm room' by specifying a flag spawn region inside the room and allowing gms to spawn there |
| 23:13:27 | doughec | cool |
| 23:13:36 | doughec | this is 1.8? |
| 23:13:41 | captain_proton | doughec: pseudo-1.8 |
| 23:13:49 | doughec | ah |
| 23:14:05 | captain_proton | its in crs' half-working tree |
| 23:14:35 | jzaun | captain_proton: That does should like much more freedom |
| 23:15:09 | captain_proton | jzaun: as for bundling files together, it won't be much more of a pain, because world files will already be split up more (geometry files, textures, etc) |
| 23:15:33 | captain_proton | it would be nice if we made some sort of .tar.gz VFS layer |
| 23:15:42 | jzaun | captain_proton: Have there been impovments to colition detection - ie, not being able to jump threw a cieling, or buillet richoset off cielings? |
| 23:16:05 | captain_proton | jzaun: in crs' half-working tree =/ |
| 23:16:22 | jzaun | I like the sounds of his tree... |
| 23:16:31 | jzaun | whats the half-working bit mean though :-) |
| 23:16:50 | captain_proton | sometimes the physics calculations fail badly |
| 23:17:13 | captain_proton | and it 'freezes' because its doing a near-infinite number of very small calculations |
| 23:17:45 | jzaun | hmm... hope thats soveld soon :-) |
| 23:18:09 | captain_proton | first he's gotta decide to start hacking at it again |
| 23:18:24 | jzaun | that or commit it so others can hack at it |
| 23:18:38 | captain_proton | well, not really commit |
| 23:18:45 | jzaun | The .tgz VFS shouldn't be hard to implement though |
| 23:19:02 | captain_proton | cvs rules are "dont break the tree" - committing code that freezes isn't really that acceptable |
| 23:19:26 | patlabor221 | you need anther DEV tree then |
| 23:19:38 | captain_proton | though i admit i've done so on one or two occassions =| |
| 23:19:40 | patlabor221 | then merge when it's table |
| 23:20:33 | captain_proton | my code is table |
| 23:21:03 | jzaun | captain_proton: were/are you working on a rain effect? |
| 23:21:18 | captain_proton | jzaun: were - on to other things now (yes, i know, still kinda weird motion) |
| 23:21:50 | jzaun | captain_proton: did/does it work? would be interesting to play in rain |
| 23:21:56 | captain_proton | yes, it works |
| 23:22:04 | captain_proton | chage the time until its night |
| 23:22:09 | captain_proton | then `set weather raining |
| 23:22:32 | jzaun | how do I set the weather to raining? |
| 23:22:39 | captain_proton | ` goes to the console |
| 23:22:45 | captain_proton | then enter 'set weather raining' |
| 23:22:47 | doughec | press ` |
| 23:23:47 | captain_proton | it still needs some work (motion of the raindrops, stormclouds, fog) |
| 23:23:49 | jzaun | server should randomly make it rain :-) |
| 23:24:00 | captain_proton | jzaun: that was the idea - rain, snow, etc |
| 23:25:30 | jzaun | captain_proton: not to keep asking question after question, but any plans to support ESD for sound is opening /dev/dsp fail? |
| 23:25:43 | captain_proton | jzaun: not on my part |
| 23:26:02 | captain_proton | to pull a riker, patches welcome ;-) |
| 23:26:34 | jzaun | might have to work on that then... bzflag threw esddsp sucks really really bad |
| 23:26:59 | captain_proton | though soon you won't need esd at all to have background muzak ;) |
| 23:27:12 | jzaun | ?? |
| 23:27:37 | captain_proton | esd doesn't work for me, so i'm going to add an ogg player (with optional server soundtrack) |
| 23:28:23 | jzaun | Cool, but running GNOME uses ESD... so /dev/dsp is always in use for me.. |
| 23:28:52 | captain_proton | you can fix that |
| 23:29:06 | jzaun | captain_proton: don't say "don't run gnome" |
| 23:29:09 | jzaun | :-) |
| 23:29:17 | captain_proton | /etc/esd.conf, change auto_spawn to 0 |
| 23:29:47 | jzaun | What about all the gnome apps that use esd? |
| 23:30:48 | captain_proton | they won't make sounds to you |
| 23:32:45 | jacques | esd is evil |
| 23:32:59 | jacques | Evil Sound Daemon |
| 23:33:07 | jzaun | jacques: how would you solve the porblem that ESD solves? |
| 23:33:11 | doughec | heh |
| 23:33:36 | jacques | jzaun: I dunno :-\ |
| 23:34:11 | captain_proton | jzaun: kernel-level mixing like with the emu10k1 drivers or ALSA |
| 23:34:19 | captain_proton | kernel-level/dsp level |
| 23:34:31 | jzaun | captain_proton: yah, but is that standard? |
| 23:34:39 | jacques | mmmm, alsa |
| 23:34:46 | jacques | alsa is in 2.5 |
| 23:34:48 | captain_proton | jzaun: alsa is standard, and emu10k1's solution Just Works |
| 23:35:05 | jzaun | *If* you run 2.5 |
| 23:35:18 | captain_proton | alsa has been a patch since 2.2 |
| 23:35:35 | jzaun | yah, a patch, not may people patch kernels |
| 23:35:38 | captain_proton | and emu10k1 has been in since 2.2.23 |
| 23:36:04 | jacques | me like both |
| 23:36:40 | captain_proton | i kind of prefer emu because it works with OSS code |
| 23:37:14 | jacques | right now I use emu10k1 with OSS |
| 23:37:28 | jacques | but I havent been able to get my live drive headphone output working |
| 23:38:32 | captain_proton | tried creative's beta drivers? |
| 23:38:53 | jacques | binary ones? I didnt know they were out |
| 23:38:59 | jacques | or I forgot |
| 23:39:19 | jacques | or you mean beta source drivres which arent in kernel yet ? |
| 23:39:26 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 23:40:14 | jacques | hmm I shold give them a shot |
| 23:40:38 | captain_proton | i saw an audigy for $80 here |
| 23:43:52 | patlabor221 | anyone know the lib name that I include for glut? |
| 23:45:10 | jzaun | -lglu |
| 23:45:47 | patlabor221 | what about open GL? |
| 23:45:55 | patlabor221 | it can't find -lopengl |
| 23:45:57 | jzaun | -lGL ? |
| 23:47:10 | patlabor221 | I'm gusssing glu is -lGLU too |
| 23:47:50 | patlabor221 | ick what would have XGetExtensionVersion in it? |
| 23:48:16 | jzaun | hmm... X.h? |
| 23:48:45 | patlabor221 | no as a lib |
| 23:48:57 | jzaun | -lXlib? |
| 23:49:29 | patlabor221 | nope |
| 23:49:56 | jzaun | -lxlib? |
| 23:50:25 | captain_proton | Xlib |
| 23:51:46 | patlabor221 | can't find Xlib |
| 23:52:02 | jzaun | patlabor221: you got X installed? :-) |
| 23:52:10 | patlabor221 | I should |
| 23:52:13 | captain_proton | ? is /usr/X11R6/lib listed in /etc/ld.so.conf ? |
| 23:52:15 | patlabor221 | I'm in gnome now |
| 23:53:01 | patlabor221 | yes |
| 23:54:28 | patlabor221 | I'm just tryin to make a glut sample |
| 23:54:30 | patlabor221 | what a pain |
| 23:57:22 | captain_proton | yes, glut is a pain |
| 23:57:24 | captain_proton | use sdl ;) |
| 23:58:10 | patlabor221 | I may have to |
| 23:58:21 | patlabor221 | I just need a damed window with GL in it |
| 23:58:39 | patlabor221 | well time to take adrive |
| 23:59:12 | doughec | boom |