| 00:04:10 | almogaver | hi |
| 00:04:14 | almogaver | i'm here again |
| 00:05:00 | almogaver | Chestal: i like the new radar |
| 00:05:41 | almogaver | i don't know what's the difference between shots as points and shots as lines, but it works better than the "official" on |
| 00:05:44 | almogaver | one |
| 00:15:45 | almogaver | one more thing |
| 00:15:52 | almogaver | it's very hard to chat ;) |
| 00:16:12 | almogaver | the arrow keys doesn't work |
| 00:16:25 | almogaver | and i can't put any ascii extender character |
| 00:16:52 | almogaver | like á, é, í, ó, ú, ñ or ¤ |
| 00:17:37 | almogaver | there are more europeans playing bzflag than americans... we need all our letters ;) |
| 00:17:52 | arathorn | LOL.....:) |
| 00:19:23 | Chestal | yes, an editable chat lien would be nice |
| 00:19:32 | Chestal | at leat you acn recall old lines now with cursor up |
| 00:19:50 | almogaver | but it's not usual to repeat a phrase |
| 00:19:53 | Chestal | characters > 127 would be nice, but we woudl have to agree on a character set |
| 00:19:58 | almogaver | but "sorry" |
| 00:20:03 | Chestal | or /lagstats |
| 00:20:10 | almogaver | a "sorry" key will be useful too ;) |
| 00:20:20 | Chestal | you can define your own keys already |
| 00:20:26 | Chestal | I have /lagstats on alt-f1 |
| 00:20:38 | almogaver | can you do it? |
| 00:20:46 | Chestal | yes, you have to edit your config file, though |
| 00:20:47 | almogaver | i tried to modify my key mapping |
| 00:20:57 | almogaver | from the options menu |
| 00:21:03 | almogaver | in e4 |
| 00:21:05 | almogaver | but no way |
| 00:21:26 | Chestal | ehm, change key mapping what for? |
| 00:22:44 | almogaver | how can i say "sorry" every time i push a key? |
| 00:23:06 | almogaver | there is no doc about it |
| 00:23:21 | almogaver | i've readed at least |
| 00:23:23 | Chestal | quickmessage sorry |
| 00:23:24 | Chestal | eh |
| 00:23:29 | Chestal | quickmessage1 sorry |
| 00:23:33 | Chestal | for alt-f1 |
| 00:23:35 | Chestal | etc. |
| 00:23:49 | Chestal | the docs need an update |
| 00:23:58 | almogaver | thx :) |
| 00:24:16 | Chestal | ok, I'm off to bed for now, cu |
| 00:24:39 | almogaver | cu |
| 00:26:42 | almogaver | bye |
| 00:29:41 | blaboo | yo |
| 00:29:56 | captain_proton | yo |
| 00:30:01 | captain_proton | sup foo |
| 00:30:44 | blaboo | roo'ing the world |
| 00:30:52 | captain_proton | i see |
| 00:31:01 | blaboo | suing for a green shirt |
| 00:31:53 | blaboo | how you doing proton? |
| 00:32:02 | blaboo | i'm just listening to a little redjoyreid |
| 00:32:05 | captain_proton | pretty good |
| 00:32:11 | captain_proton | researching audio mixing circuits |
| 00:32:44 | blaboo | audio mixing circuits |
| 00:32:46 | blaboo | werd |
| 00:33:06 | blaboo | how do you mix two signals together? |
| 00:33:12 | captain_proton | http://www.aaroncake.net/circuits/mixer1.htm |
| 00:33:14 | blaboo | just a sum? |
| 00:33:22 | captain_proton | yep |
| 00:33:55 | blaboo | so its pretty easy then digitally? |
| 00:33:58 | captain_proton | gonna build myself an auto-sensing 12(24)-channel mixer |
| 00:34:07 | captain_proton | easy digitally, but i want analog |
| 00:34:25 | blaboo | why? |
| 00:34:39 | blaboo | why not do it digitally? |
| 00:34:40 | captain_proton | so i can mix everything into my speakers |
| 00:34:45 | captain_proton | no matter what the input |
| 00:34:51 | blaboo | auto-sensing? |
| 00:35:22 | captain_proton | yea- if there's no input on a channel, it won't mix it |
| 00:35:35 | captain_proton | to cut out noise |
| 00:35:38 | blaboo | so how do you achieve a thresholding cut thing like that? |
| 00:35:45 | captain_proton | a comparator |
| 00:35:58 | | rcam was last seen on #bzflag 12 days, 2 hours, 36 minutes and 37 seconds ago, saying: is away: I'm busy [Wed Apr 17 22:59:21 2002] |
| 00:35:58 | jacques | ibot: seen rcam |
| 00:36:00 | captain_proton | if the input is above a certain minimum voltage, it connects the line |
| 00:36:01 | jacques | LOL |
| 00:36:06 | jacques | that wont get old for a while |
| 00:36:24 | blaboo | i see, so there is a definite threshold value? |
| 00:36:37 | blaboo | er, particular threshold value? |
| 00:36:42 | captain_proton | well |
| 00:36:46 | captain_proton | it won't be perfect |
| 00:36:50 | blaboo | nothing is |
| 00:36:57 | captain_proton | but below a certain voltage it doesn't matter anyway because it would be too quiet to hear |
| 00:37:39 | blaboo | yeah, wouldn't this all just be better with digital stuff? no loss like? |
| 00:38:00 | blaboo | werd man, i think i'll build something of this sort |
| 00:38:08 | blaboo | my bro could... he does electronics stuff |
| 00:38:17 | blaboo | any work on a tracking program? |
| 00:38:46 | captain_proton | i found something cool |
| 00:38:48 | blaboo | what does a comparator consist of? |
| 00:38:50 | captain_proton | lemme find the url again |
| 00:39:03 | captain_proton | blaboo: i don't remember - got the circuit diagram lying around somewhere |
| 00:40:12 | captain_proton | blaboo: the thing is - i'm gonna build it in a rackmount case :) |
| 00:40:24 | captain_proton | http://www-ccrma.stanford.edu/software/stk/ |
| 00:40:48 | blaboo | right on, is this stuff cheap? |
| 00:40:58 | blaboo | i suppose cheaper than a mackie mixer, etc |
| 00:41:02 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 00:41:05 | captain_proton | plus i'd have fun |
| 00:41:41 | captain_proton | the case itself is $60 (1U), plus there's this REALLY nice looking 'desktop' rack (12U) for $40 (all US prices) |
| 00:42:02 | blaboo | i see, any pictures? |
| 00:42:16 | blaboo | hows music school? |
| 00:42:23 | captain_proton | http://www.bradleybroadcast.com/2001/racks%20and%20accessories.htm <-- look for the "Desktop Rack Rails" and "Rackmount Chassis" |
| 00:42:29 | captain_proton | music is going good |
| 00:42:34 | captain_proton | just finals left |
| 00:43:44 | captain_proton | i'm imagining one of those desktop racks sitting on my desk next to me right now ;) |
| 00:43:54 | blaboo | looks nice |
| 00:44:31 | captain_proton | brb |
| 00:44:45 | blaboo | thats what i need! |
| 00:48:53 | captain_proton | just imagine one of those sleek black cases with gold jacks on the front for headphones and microphone |
| 00:49:39 | blaboo | very nice |
| 00:49:44 | blaboo | nifty, tidy, clean, neat |
| 00:49:49 | blaboo | homebrew |
| 00:50:01 | blaboo | it does look very pro |
| 00:50:40 | blaboo | so i must challenge meq to a game |
| 00:50:44 | blaboo | z00 vs. meq |
| 00:52:06 | captain_proton | yea we could do that sometime |
| 00:52:23 | blaboo | bwahahahaha |
| 00:52:40 | blaboo | i had a really good game with HIS uesterday |
| 00:52:56 | blaboo | well, 3 of 4 were HIS, i was 4, and we were owning |
| 00:53:12 | captain_proton | they weren't too lagged? |
| 00:53:23 | blaboo | this stk looks nice |
| 00:53:28 | blaboo | yeah, maybe thats why we were owning ;) |
| 00:54:14 | captain_proton | is imagining his future rack |
| 00:54:27 | vogon_jeltz | getting a sex change? |
| 00:54:29 | vogon_jeltz | ;) |
| 00:54:29 | captain_proton | audio mixer, UPS, maybe a couple computers, ethernet switch ... |
| 00:54:38 | captain_proton | wifflebats vogon_jeltz |
| 00:54:55 | vogon_jeltz | heh. |
| 00:55:01 | blaboo | all in the same rack? |
| 00:55:05 | captain_proton | blaboo: yep |
| 00:55:17 | blaboo | werd, hope it the audio is isolated well |
| 00:55:32 | captain_proton | blaboo: i'll probably put some extra EM shielding in the mixer |
| 00:55:37 | blaboo | yeah thats pretty tight proton, i gotta set me something up like that |
| 00:56:01 | captain_proton | plus i get to build stuff =) |
| 00:56:39 | blaboo | sounds like a fun project |
| 00:56:47 | blaboo | make sure to take your time and get it right! |
| 00:56:51 | captain_proton | of course |
| 00:57:09 | captain_proton | i'll probably use the machine shop in the engineering center to punch out the holes for all the jacks |
| 00:57:14 | blaboo | nice |
| 00:57:21 | blaboo | i wish i had those kind of facilities |
| 00:59:23 | blaboo | i think i should give my root partition a little more space |
| 00:59:25 | blaboo | say 3 gigs? |
| 00:59:31 | blaboo | for all my programs and the such |
| 00:59:52 | captain_proton | i'd do a bit more |
| 01:04:11 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 01:04:19 | captain_proton | i should print up a circuit board for this mixer |
| 01:23:15 | blaboo | yeah? more than 3 gigs? |
| 01:23:23 | blaboo | i'm sitting at ~2 gigs used, 2.4 allocated |
| 01:23:38 | blaboo | have a lot of junk like octave, libraries, etc |
| 01:24:02 | blaboo | should get all the profiling libs tho, newer gcc (3 series), etc. |
| 01:24:13 | captain_proton | gcc 3 is problematic |
| 01:24:18 | blaboo | best to upgrade all the stuff now that summer is here and can afford a non working machine for a bit |
| 01:24:28 | blaboo | yeah, gcc3 also seems slower :( |
| 01:24:34 | captain_proton | thats what i did this last weekend |
| 01:24:36 | blaboo | it'll tighten up tho |
| 01:24:45 | blaboo | move from redhat? |
| 01:24:50 | captain_proton | yep |
| 01:24:57 | blaboo | to? |
| 01:24:58 | blaboo | slack! |
| 01:25:02 | captain_proton | lfs |
| 01:25:10 | blaboo | hows that going? |
| 01:25:14 | captain_proton | quite good |
| 01:25:16 | blaboo | any faster? better bootup time i bet |
| 01:25:22 | captain_proton | 7 seconds from LILO to 'bhaskara login: ' |
| 01:25:27 | blaboo | but its linux, thats not a major concern ;) |
| 01:25:30 | blaboo | 7s eh? wow |
| 01:25:34 | captain_proton | yep |
| 01:25:40 | blaboo | i should move on up |
| 01:25:40 | captain_proton | i hold the record among all my friends :) |
| 01:25:47 | blaboo | thats tight man |
| 01:26:02 | blaboo | ever use DirectFB? |
| 01:26:06 | captain_proton | nope |
| 01:26:17 | blaboo | looks quite nice, no nvidia stuff tho |
| 01:26:19 | captain_proton | actually i tried framebuffer stuff a while ago |
| 01:26:30 | captain_proton | it was unstable- not sure if its gotten any better |
| 01:26:42 | blaboo | X is quite quick anyway |
| 01:26:55 | captain_proton | 'specially with the nvidida drivers |
| 01:26:56 | blaboo | hmmm, lfs eh |
| 01:27:03 | blaboo | yeah, i get huge FPS in flag |
| 01:27:10 | captain_proton | i get around 120 |
| 01:27:18 | captain_proton | but i have an unreasonable resolution |
| 01:27:19 | blaboo | yeah, i'm about 120, 130 or so |
| 01:27:28 | blaboo | heh, why not? |
| 01:28:47 | blaboo | any work on the flag indicator yet? |
| 01:28:52 | captain_proton | not really |
| 01:28:57 | captain_proton | what we need now are good graphics for it |
| 01:29:06 | blaboo | yeah, my buddy is doing some really weird stuff |
| 01:29:12 | blaboo | i have some ideas for graphics |
| 01:29:22 | blaboo | but they are standard nuum square stuff |
| 01:29:29 | captain_proton | eww |
| 01:29:37 | blaboo | your favourite! |
| 01:30:08 | blaboo | heh, i love the steamroller now ;) |
| 01:30:17 | blaboo | i've done 4 rolls in the last day |
| 01:30:35 | blaboo | know what i think... |
| 01:30:43 | blaboo | there should be a one-time geno flag in ctf |
| 01:30:49 | blaboo | kind of a wildcard |
| 01:31:35 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 01:32:11 | blaboo | now my sister must die, excuse me |
| 01:32:40 | captain_proton | ? |
| 01:41:45 | captain_proton | blaboo: http://linuxforlesbians.org/images/linux/image2.jpg |
| 01:47:47 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 01:48:01 | captain_proton | i just figured out all the parts i need for the base mixer (w/o comparators) |
| 01:48:40 | captain_proton | looks like i'm gonna be ordering some bags of capacitors and resistors |
| 01:51:40 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 01:51:50 | captain_proton | wonders if there are 4-way combined pots |
| 02:01:35 | captain_proton | sw00t~! |
| 02:02:33 | captain_proton | front panel: two (gold) stereo jacks, 12 volume knobs (for each channel), and an indicator light for each channel |
| 02:02:38 | captain_proton | maybe even forgo the light |
| 02:04:47 | captain_proton | how sweet would that look... |
| 02:15:53 | captain_proton | pokes MrApathyCream in the eye |
| 02:17:28 | MrApathyCream | (X)(0) |
| 02:17:30 | MrApathyCream | ouch |
| 02:22:38 | MrApathyCream | Chestal: configurable radar added to 1.7f5, posting now (20mins) |
| 02:31:35 | blaboo | captain_proton: yeah, linux never did look that good |
| 02:32:25 | blaboo | captain_proton: gold jacks would look very nice on that black case |
| 02:32:39 | blaboo | 1.7f5? why the 'f'? |
| 02:32:55 | blaboo | captain_proton: red indicator light? or small blue led? |
| 02:33:16 | MrApathyCream | blaboo: private build |
| 02:33:27 | captain_proton | blaboo: blue (of course) |
| 02:33:28 | blaboo | i wonder who paid that girl all that money to dress up in linux underwear? |
| 02:33:48 | blaboo | MrApathyCream: i see. what is better over e5? |
| 02:33:55 | blaboo | do they parallel each other? |
| 02:34:23 | blaboo | captain_proton: you should build me one. |
| 02:34:28 | captain_proton | blaboo: a mixer? |
| 02:34:39 | MrApathyCream | f5 is the same as e5 but has a few additions |
| 02:34:42 | blaboo | yeah, with effect sends |
| 02:34:52 | blaboo | additions such as? |
| 02:34:54 | captain_proton | EFFECT SENDS?!??! |
| 02:34:57 | MrApathyCream | its sort of a testing ground |
| 02:34:57 | captain_proton | you're insane |
| 02:35:28 | MrApathyCream | www.chesco.com/~dbrosius/BZFlag/BZFlag.html see Changes |
| 02:35:55 | captain_proton | blaboo: how about this: you fund 75% of the total cost and i'll build you one at the same time ;) |
| 02:36:07 | blaboo | how much will it cost? |
| 02:36:29 | captain_proton | blaboo: well, the chassis is $60, electronics will probably be about another $40 |
| 02:36:36 | captain_proton | so $100 for the whole package |
| 02:36:59 | blaboo | wtf apathy, is it widescreen or what? |
| 02:37:11 | blaboo | american? |
| 02:37:13 | vogon_jeltz | so he gets $100 worth of goods for a $150 contribution. |
| 02:37:17 | MrApathyCream | eh? |
| 02:37:20 | vogon_jeltz | sounds like a deal. |
| 02:37:27 | captain_proton | blaboo: yes, american |
| 02:37:32 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: its gonna be a lot of work |
| 02:38:06 | blaboo | MrApathyCream: how well does the throttling do? wouldn't you need to have the server do that? |
| 02:38:07 | MrApathyCream | I only support 320x200 and larger.... don't browse from your franklin |
| 02:38:22 | blaboo | vogon_jeltz: maybe i forgot how to do math? |
| 02:38:30 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: do you need 50 bucks worth of equipment to assemble it that he doesn't have? |
| 02:38:38 | blaboo | captain_proton: 150 american means many canadian |
| 02:39:01 | blaboo | wait until your feeble economy dies out and canada takes over... then i'll fund a mixer project ;) |
| 02:39:21 | blaboo | MrApathyCream: lol, wtf is a franklin? |
| 02:40:28 | | a small handheld organizer circa 1985, capable of simple spell checking, math, and organizing |
| 02:40:28 | MrApathyCream | ibot, franklin? |
| 02:40:38 | blaboo | bwahahahahaha |
| 02:40:58 | blaboo | When you leave your house in the morning, you are surprised at the lack of mountains. |
| 02:41:09 | blaboo | no, i live on a mountain |
| 02:41:13 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 02:41:28 | MrApathyCream | captain_proton: buy me one please? --> http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/fun-stuff/5776.shtml |
| 02:43:11 | blaboo | captain_proton: i would probably consider funding something like that if it was nice and polished |
| 02:51:36 | Widget | Hi, all. |
| 03:55:53 | captain_proton | is back |
| 03:56:23 | captain_proton | blaboo: it -will- be nice and polished |
| 03:58:21 | captain_proton | blaboo: 1U, back face, all gold jacks, either black or polished aluminum volume controls, tiny blue LED indicators |
| 03:58:58 | captain_proton | it'll be BEAUTIFUL! |
| 04:05:20 | captain_proton | chuckles |
| 04:33:09 | captain_proton | ugh |
| 04:33:16 | captain_proton | 200ms lag on both sides doesn't work for ctf |
| 06:02:01 | onthemark | hello all |
| 06:56:19 | MrApathyCream | BZFlag: We should add kill reason (enemyflag) to MsgKilled |
| 06:56:30 | MrApathyCream | Current practice of looking at Shot is flawed |
| 06:57:10 | MrApathyCream | 1.8 of course |
| 06:57:22 | captain_proton | pokes MrApathyCream |
| 06:58:50 | MrApathyCream | (X)(X) |
| 06:58:51 | MrApathyCream | ouch! |
| 06:58:56 | captain_proton | heh |
| 07:02:59 | captain_proton | whats up? |
| 07:06:48 | MrApathyCream | nada |
| 07:07:06 | captain_proton | found a good song today |
| 08:12:38 | BZFlag | MrApathyCream: there is a flagid in the new killed. I added a comment that flagid should be the team flag if it's a team kill. |
| 08:21:23 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 08:21:34 | captain_proton | BZFlag: did you see the l33t rack and chassis i found? |
| 08:33:17 | BZFlag | yepper. it r0x |
| 08:33:50 | captain_proton | i'm excited about this audio mixer that i'm gonna build |
| 09:17:52 | blaboo | build. construct. faster. better. stronger. |
| 13:17:32 | Chestal | hmm, what's the difference between U and P when doing cvs up ? |
| 13:17:45 | Chestal | P doesn't seem to be documented in the manpage? |
| 18:15:12 | scanline | is away: ZzZz |
| 19:46:48 | nelson | BTW, I played bzflag a bit. |
| 19:47:03 | nelson | For some reason, it crashes my X server from time to time. |
| 19:48:15 | nelson | Most annoying, particularly when I have 30 windows open. |
| 19:48:27 | BZFlag | there are many buggy GL drivers. and there are likely some GL bugs in bz. |
| 19:48:53 | BZFlag | patches welcome. ;-) It does work for most people most of the time. |
| 19:49:10 | BZFlag | I wish I could get it running in ElectricFence or similar. |
| 19:50:13 | nelson | This is just a vanilla X server, using Mesa. |
| 19:50:37 | BZFlag | any particular time it crashes? |
| 19:51:04 | nelson | Hmmm... I suppose I could play it some more, and find out. :-) |
| 19:51:15 | BZFlag | Some players start another X server on a different console in lower res and play there instead of using the resolution switching. |
| 19:51:37 | Chestal | I do that |
| 19:51:43 | BZFlag | you headed to OLS? |
| 19:51:50 | Chestal | it crashes my 2nd X server sometimes, but only if I have to kill bzflag manually |
| 19:52:14 | nelson | BZFlag: OLS? Me? |
| 19:52:38 | nelson | BZFlag: Hmmm.... Interesting idea. |
| 19:53:01 | nelson | Chestal: how do I tell X to start on a different console? |
| 19:54:30 | nelson | hrm: now I see what happened to my copy of bzflag: rm -rf bzflag* |
| 19:54:33 | Chestal | nelson: on Linux it does so automatically. You just have to tell X to use a different display, tha ti slisten on anorhter port like :1 |
| 19:54:46 | Chestal | I start my 2nd X server manually, X -depth 8 :1 or similar |
| 19:55:15 | nelson | Chestal: tnx! |
| 19:55:40 | Chestal | it's a bit annoying to start it manually, but then it usually runs for some weeks |
| 19:56:13 | Chestal | I start it as root, then open an xterm on it, set DISPLAY, d oan xhost +, su to my user, set DISPLAY and start a small wm, voila :-) |
| 20:16:14 | BZFlag | you could start it as root with "-ac" and then run "DISPLAY=:1 bzflag" |
| 20:16:33 | BZFlag | no need for the xterm and wm. |
| 20:17:55 | nelson | Hrm. 'X' refuses to run because there's already a server on X0. |
| 20:18:29 | BZFlag | XFree86 -ac :1 |
| 20:19:00 | BZFlag | curtisv: sup? hackin on bz? ;-) |
| 20:19:59 | curtisv | Not yet, actually here to arrange for a jtag dongle. |
| 20:20:23 | BZFlag | ah. I'm out at the moment. |
| 20:20:33 | BZFlag | ordering more from Aleph1 though. |
| 20:20:35 | curtisv | groan! |
| 20:21:00 | BZFlag | unless you know any good fab plants here? I'd love to do them for cheaper. |
| 20:21:00 | curtisv | let me know when they are available, happy to prepay so I get one |
| 20:21:16 | curtisv | Not much to them is there. |
| 20:21:42 | BZFlag | with aleph1 they will be about $35 once I include my shipping and cost and handling etc. |
| 20:21:43 | Chestal | BZFLag: well, but I like to have an xterm on the X server, it's easier to start stuff from there |
| 20:22:05 | curtisv | I've had circuit work done at a couple local places, (The names elude me at present. |
| 20:22:06 | BZFlag | Chestal: understood. |
| 20:22:42 | curtisv | How is the day gig? |
| 20:23:26 | BZFlag | busy. A CTO's life is never dull. |
| 20:24:02 | curtisv | I'll bet, I'll let you get back to it. When is the best time to contact you? |
| 20:24:43 | BZFlag | here most any time. ;-) |
| 20:27:42 | curtisv | Will do. I am looking at the BZFlag page now. Is the XML version in Deb unstable yet? (Or do I go to cvs?) |
| 20:29:14 | curtisv | FYI BZFlag: I am playing a little with GGI on tuxscreen. more info to follow (probably much later) |
| 20:29:41 | Chestal | curtisv: CVS for 1.8 |
| 20:30:18 | curtisv | Thanks Chestal. I'll drop in when I actually get a little experience with it. |
| 20:31:06 | Chestal | development on 1.8 has been rather slow lately, maybe people are working on features in secret :-) |
| 20:31:46 | curtisv | No doubt of that ;-) |
| 20:32:53 | Chestal | BZFlag: btw., what about the pending patches for 1.7? Had any time to look at them yet? |
| 20:34:34 | jpablo | Chestal: |
| 20:34:39 | jpablo | can you reset ducati ? |
| 20:34:47 | jpablo | the green flag is above a bulding. |
| 20:35:15 | Chestal | it#s time to get e6 ready, so the bug will be gone |
| 20:35:39 | Chestal | jpablo: noone on with admin password? it's a bit difficult for me right now |
| 20:35:49 | jpablo | none. |
| 20:38:15 | Chestal | fixed |
| 20:41:55 | BZFlag | Chestal: swamped here at work again. |
| 20:42:38 | Chestal | BZFlag: Doesn't your employee know that you have more important thngs to do? ;-) |
| 20:42:58 | Chestal | hmm, employer |
| 20:43:53 | Chestal | does CVS store file attributes like +x? |
| 20:50:41 | jpablo | damn, again. |
| 20:50:47 | jpablo | on the same place. |
| 20:51:54 | Chestal | hmmm |
| 20:52:05 | Chestal | it#s the map |
| 20:52:16 | Chestal | the buildings near the walls on each side |
| 21:10:33 | T-34 | Hi tankers! |
| 21:11:30 | T-34 | bye all. |
| 21:36:47 | almogaver | hi |
| 21:37:59 | Chestal | hi almo |
| 21:38:36 | almogaver | i've seen the <unknown> killing instead of me today |
| 21:38:42 | Chestal | almo: do you like my new radar? |
| 21:38:54 | almogaver | i killed arathorn, that was in my own team |
| 21:39:08 | almogaver | i saw the "don't kill teammates" |
| 21:39:08 | almogaver | i got the negative point |
| 21:39:09 | Chestal | almogaver: yes, it's a known bug. Maybe it should be made more explicit on sf |
| 21:39:26 | almogaver | but in the message window appeared "<unknown>" |
| 21:39:41 | Chestal | yep, that's because the new kil messages can't work reliably |
| 21:39:41 | almogaver | yes Chestal, ur radar is much better |
| 21:39:59 | Chestal | almogaver: did you try it on a jumping world, too? I want it to work good there also |
| 21:40:00 | almogaver | but i dont see difference between shots as points and shots as lines |
| 21:40:04 | Chestal | hmm |
| 21:40:29 | Chestal | there is a differnce, it shows most when you zoom in on radar |
| 21:40:30 | almogaver | no, i dont |
| 21:40:42 | almogaver | only in ducati CTF |
| 21:40:48 | Chestal | maybe you're just too blind or your resolution is very hgh |
| 21:40:54 | BZFlag | Chestal: cvs does not store +X |
| 21:40:56 | BZFlag | Chestal: cvs does not store +x |
| 21:41:02 | almogaver | 1024*768 |
| 21:41:10 | Chestal | BZFlag: ah, too bad. I'm asking because of misc/bzfquery.pl, it's annoying |
| 21:41:17 | BZFlag | agreed. |
| 21:41:28 | Chestal | almo: hmm, the differnece between shots as lines and as a pixel really should be obvious |
| 21:41:46 | Chestal | BZFlag: the new kil mesasges are bogus IMHO, they cannot work reliably |
| 21:44:16 | Chestal | BZFlag: they rely on information stored with the shot that did the killing |
| 21:44:34 | Chestal | but that shot is expired before MsgKill is received and might already be gone or replaces |
| 21:44:47 | Chestal | it works most of the time, but it's still flawed |
| 21:45:47 | almogaver | a suggestion |
| 21:46:05 | almogaver | IMHO, it's not hard to do that the server'll talk two different protocols |
| 21:46:35 | almogaver | the player ID could be only a short int (16 bits) or even an unsigned char (8 bits) |
| 21:46:47 | almogaver | it'll help with lag |
| 21:47:06 | almogaver | so, the server can talk one protocol or another depending on the client |
| 21:47:20 | almogaver | versions won't be incompatible |
| 21:49:56 | Chestal | we'll have a new and slimmer protocol for 1.8, but it won't be compatible |
| 21:50:30 | almogaver | i know Chestal, but i don't know details about the new protocol |
| 21:50:49 | almogaver | but maybe the server can be a translator between the two protocols |
| 21:51:24 | Chestal | therew ill be too many changes in 1.8, we want to break compatability |
| 21:54:16 | Chestal | trying to stay compatible with old versions usually introduces all sort of strange bugs |
| 22:20:21 | scanline | is back (gone 04:05:08) |
| 22:40:20 | blaboo | break that old version |
| 22:40:33 | blaboo | when will 1.8 start being common? |
| 22:40:38 | blaboo | when will you introduce it? |
| 22:41:28 | almogaver | Chestal: you said you touched the world generator for ducati CTF |
| 22:41:37 | almogaver | Chestal: to get worlds with less buildings |
| 22:42:10 | almogaver | i think most maps in another server have too much buildings |
| 22:42:28 | almogaver | why don't apply this changes to the official release? |
| 22:48:43 | Chestal | they are in current CVS code, along with Tim's changes to generalize it to 3 or 4 team battles |
| 23:10:47 | arathorn | hi all knights |
| 23:10:51 | almogaver | hi arathorn |
| 23:28:14 | almogaver | Chestal: you said me yesterday that i can send a message with a hot key |
| 23:28:19 | almogaver | alt+f1, alt+f2, etc.. |
| 23:28:22 | Chestal | yes |
| 23:28:32 | Chestal | alt-f1 for messages to evryone and ctrl-f1 for messages to your team |
| 23:28:37 | almogaver | are there any way to send it to nemesis or to a team instead to all? |
| 23:29:01 | Chestal | team, yes, they're different messages (quickTeamMessage 1 etc.) |
| 23:29:04 | Chestal | nemesis, no |
| 23:29:25 | Chestal | quickTeamMessage1 that is |
| 23:30:12 | scanline | is away: I'm busy |
| 23:30:21 | almogaver | thx :) |
| 23:30:23 | scanline | is back (gone 00:00:03) |
| 23:30:38 | almogaver | oh! but it doesn't work |
| 23:31:03 | almogaver | with alt+f2 i got the "execute" window of my KDE |
| 23:31:37 | Chestal | hmm, looks like your windowmanager catches that event |
| 23:31:51 | Chestal | I woudl have though tthat bz grabs the keyboard when active# |
| 23:32:22 | Chestal | my windowmanager doesn't use alt-f1 etc. |
| 23:33:39 | almogaver | arathorn has the same problem with his Windows, with alt+f4 he close other windows |
| 23:34:22 | Chestal | hmm, that's not good |
| 23:37:31 | almogaver | sure |
| 23:37:48 | Chestal | can anyone confirm this behavious on windows? |
| 23:38:37 | Chestal | i.e. problems with alt-fx, insted of sending quickmessage doing nasty things liek closing window? |
| 23:44:26 | almogaver | hi |
| 23:44:51 | almogaver | i was trying the alt+fx stuff |
| 23:45:07 | almogaver | and all my keys were blocked |
| 23:45:29 | Chestal | you defined quickMessage1? |
| 23:45:35 | almogaver | yes |
| 23:45:48 | almogaver | does the capital matter? |
| 23:46:04 | Chestal | I think so, yes |
| 23:46:12 | almogaver | ok, i'll try again |
| 23:46:20 | Chestal | quickMessage1 /lagstats |
| 23:46:22 | Chestal | this works for me |
| 23:53:45 | arathorn | quickMessage1 or quickMessage 1 ? |
| 23:53:55 | Chestal | quickMessage1 |
| 23:54:11 | arathorn | go try one more time |
| 23:55:15 | arathorn | all works!!!..but alt +f close bz |
| 23:55:27 | arathorn | alt +f4 |
| 23:56:36 | almogaver | for me alt+f1 works |
| 23:56:44 | almogaver | but the other alt+fx has a function in kde |
| 23:56:55 | almogaver | and they don't work |
| 23:57:13 | arathorn | i cant only use alt+f4 |
