| 00:22:55 | RCAM | hi i am back |
| 00:23:00 | tad_ | ok |
| 00:23:04 | tad_ | hold on a sec |
| 00:23:16 | RCAM | ok |
| 00:24:30 | tad_ | ok |
| 00:24:42 | tad_ | join #tad |
| 00:24:52 | RCAM | ok |
| 00:36:30 | EddieNull | rcam, I got your email about maintaining my own version of bzflag for os x. |
| 00:37:33 | tad_ | join #tad |
| 00:40:17 | EddieNull | me? |
| 00:40:25 | tad_ | ytes |
| 00:40:27 | tad_ | yes |
| 00:40:32 | tad_ | RCAM is on there |
| 00:40:36 | EddieNull | heh, sorry |
| 00:46:49 | RCAM | eddieNull yeah |
| 00:54:54 | BZFlag | EddieNull: did you pu up your source? Did you build a patch? Did you add a link to the Wiki? Have you tried 1.8? not pushing, just asking. |
| 01:02:12 | EddieNull | talking to rcam now, he's pushing |
| 01:02:12 | EddieNull | :) |
| 01:05:15 | tad_ | when are you going to update the web page? |
| 01:12:04 | RCAM | soon |
| 01:12:09 | EddieNull | http://www.hzsystems.com/kevin/resume.html |
| 01:12:37 | RCAM | bzFlag I am on the phone with Eddie now? |
| 01:21:40 | BZFlag | RCAM: col. |
| 01:21:43 | BZFlag | er cool. |
| 01:31:05 | | rcam was last seen on #bzflag 18 minutes and 28 seconds ago, saying: bzFlag I am on the phone with Eddie now? [Sun Apr 14 02:12:37 2002] |
| 01:31:05 | tad_ | ibot, seen rcam |
| 01:31:16 | | BZFLAG was last seen on #tuxscreen 1 minutes and 41 seconds ago, saying: Error403: buy another one. =) [Sun Apr 14 02:29:35 2002] |
| 01:31:16 | tad_ | ibot, seen BZFLAG |
| 01:33:56 | RCAM | hey |
| 01:34:03 | RCAM | I am here tad |
| 01:34:08 | tad_ | :) |
| 01:34:16 | RCAM | I was on the phone with EddieNull |
| 01:34:23 | tad_ | really? |
| 01:34:26 | tad_ | what for? |
| 01:34:28 | RCAM | yes |
| 01:34:55 | RCAM | Tim did not want to make the announcment yet so I am going to not say yet. |
| 01:35:01 | RCAM | You will find out Monday. |
| 01:35:04 | tad_ | rats |
| 01:35:12 | RCAM | Sorry |
| 01:35:14 | tad_ | monday? |
| 01:35:19 | tad_ | why the delay? |
| 01:35:22 | RCAM | Yes Monday |
| 01:35:31 | captain_proton | is confused |
| 01:35:37 | RCAM | Because we need to finish some stuff first. |
| 01:35:42 | tad_ | oh |
| 01:35:52 | tad_ | but 1.8 is almost done? |
| 01:36:06 | tad_ | or this is a anounment? |
| 01:36:11 | captain_proton | 1.8 isn't even close |
| 01:36:17 | tad_ | oh? |
| 01:36:24 | RCAM | Its not about 1.8 only. |
| 01:36:29 | RCAM | Its a few things |
| 01:36:31 | tad_ | ok |
| 01:36:36 | tad_ | like new addons? |
| 01:36:45 | tad_ | or for 1.7e5? |
| 01:37:01 | RCAM | 1.7e5 is coming soon |
| 01:37:12 | tad_ | yea, I am useing it now |
| 01:37:17 | captain_proton | e5 is a development version |
| 01:37:23 | captain_proton | the next release will be e6 |
| 01:37:30 | tad_ | it works fine for me |
| 01:37:39 | tad_ | e6 will have what in it? |
| 01:37:44 | tad_ | new stuff? |
| 01:37:47 | RCAM | You will have to wait till Monday to see the final version of e5 |
| 01:37:55 | tad_ | oh, ok |
| 01:38:02 | tad_ | I finally get a hint! |
| 01:38:04 | captain_proton | uhm |
| 01:38:14 | tad_ | ;) |
| 01:38:15 | captain_proton | i was pretty sure we weren't going to be adding anything significantly new to 1.7 |
| 01:38:27 | RCAM | Lets just say e6 will be the last release |
| 01:38:31 | tad_ | e5 is ready for windows? |
| 01:38:41 | tad_ | or just the source code? |
| 01:38:50 | RCAM | You will have to wait untill Monday to see whats going on. |
| 01:38:52 | RCAM | Sorry |
| 01:39:06 | tad_ | lets say e5 is the last release. :) |
| 01:39:12 | tad_ | ;) |
| 01:39:35 | captain_proton | tad_: 'e5' will never be a real release |
| 01:39:42 | tad_ | anything esle? |
| 01:39:50 | tad_ | oh |
| 01:40:04 | captain_proton | the version number is e5 during development |
| 01:40:09 | captain_proton | and it will be released as e6 |
| 01:40:19 | tad_ | I have mrapathycreams binary or e5 for windows |
| 01:40:23 | tad_ | ok |
| 01:40:29 | tad_ | on monday? |
| 01:40:41 | captain_proton | dunno |
| 01:40:44 | tad_ | e5 will be ready? |
| 01:40:49 | RCAM | You will see what happenes |
| 01:40:51 | captain_proton | RCAM is being secretive |
| 01:40:56 | tad_ | yes |
| 01:40:56 | captain_proton | so i'm gonna have to ask BZFlag |
| 01:41:02 | tad_ | but for a good cause |
| 01:41:09 | tad_ | he wont tell ether |
| 01:41:09 | RCAM | He is not going to tell |
| 01:41:12 | tad_ | lol |
| 01:41:14 | EddieNull | what's the compiler of choice for 1.8? gcc 2.95 or gcc 3? |
| 01:41:23 | | bzflag is, like, TimRiker or a 3D internet multiplayer multiplatform (linux, irix, win32, etc) opensource opengl Battlezone capture the flag game that you must try at http://BZFlag.org/ debian arm linux contains a version that will run on the ipaq at like 6 fps |
| 01:41:23 | tad_ | ibot, bzflag |
| 01:41:24 | captain_proton | EddieNull: it should work with either |
| 01:41:26 | RCAM | gcc 3.0 |
| 01:41:32 | | bzflag was last seen on #tuxscreen 9 minutes and 12 seconds ago, saying: tad_: sup? [Sun Apr 14 02:32:20 2002] |
| 01:41:32 | tad_ | ibot, seen bzflag |
| 01:41:35 | tad_ | hrm |
| 01:41:47 | RCAM | it works well with both |
| 01:41:50 | tad_ | how do I compile on the windows syste,? |
| 01:41:56 | RCAM | Not much difference |
| 01:42:06 | RCAM | tad_ install LInux :) |
| 01:42:14 | tad_ | a free compiler anywhere? |
| 01:42:17 | tad_ | yes |
| 01:42:18 | RCAM | tad_ Get Microsoft Visual C++ |
| 01:42:24 | tad_ | costs money |
| 01:42:26 | RCAM | tad not really |
| 01:42:33 | tad_ | really? |
| 01:42:35 | tad_ | free? |
| 01:42:38 | RCAM | eddieNull Is it sent? |
| 01:42:51 | RCAM | tad_ only Cygwin |
| 01:43:04 | RCAM | tad_ try Cygwin you may like it |
| 01:43:12 | tad_ | I have it installed :) |
| 01:43:13 | RCAM | ibot, search for cygwin on google |
| 01:43:20 | RCAM | ok |
| 01:43:23 | EddieNull | rcam, should be |
| 01:43:32 | tad_ | ibot, google for cygwin |
| 01:43:33 | | tad_: Google can't find cygwin |
| 01:43:40 | tad_ | "snort" |
| 01:44:09 | tad_ | I can compile bzflag on cygwin? |
| 01:44:13 | tad_ | right? |
| 01:44:30 | RCAM | yes |
| 01:44:40 | captain_proton | you can?? |
| 01:44:40 | captain_proton | wow |
| 01:44:46 | RCAM | eddieNull I am downloading it now on my T1 :) |
| 01:44:50 | tad_ | will it work on it? |
| 01:44:58 | RCAM | maybe |
| 01:45:07 | tad_ | ok |
| 01:45:11 | tad_ | well have to go now |
| 01:45:13 | tad_ | l8r |
| 01:45:21 | RCAM | ok bye |
| 01:45:29 | RCAM | eddieNull hmm... |
| 01:45:54 | BZFlag | cygwin should work but finding gl headers/libs might be an issue. |
| 01:46:04 | RCAM | yeah |
| 01:46:13 | RCAM | Bzflag did you get my message? |
| 01:46:39 | BZFlag | RCAM: yes, e6 could be released. I have some patches to put in still. there are some network issues. |
| 01:46:57 | RCAM | Dont say it out loud |
| 01:47:01 | RCAM | Its a secret |
| 01:47:02 | RCAM | :) |
| 01:47:49 | RCAM | and |
| 01:48:22 | RCAM | ok? |
| 01:49:23 | BZFlag | heh. no secrets in open source. =) |
| 01:50:04 | BZFlag | there are others that have bits that should make it into any release and they will need to test and integrate. |
| 01:50:38 | RCAM | ok |
| 01:50:47 | RCAM | You should tell everyone about RCAM in that case |
| 01:51:02 | RCAM | all the devs anyway |
| 01:51:50 | RCAM | right? |
| 01:52:07 | BZFlag | yep. I will likely announe the intention to do another 1.7 release on the devel list. |
| 01:52:19 | BZFlag | and ask for final patches etc. |
| 01:52:23 | RCAM | ok do it soon please |
| 01:52:24 | captain_proton | what is rcam? |
| 01:52:28 | RCAM | before monday |
| 01:52:33 | BZFlag | Chestal: got your observer patch ready? |
| 01:52:33 | fontenot | goes to look at the devel list. |
| 01:52:54 | RCAM | Tim I think yous hould answer captain_proton |
| 01:52:57 | captain_proton | BZFlag: i've got a more complicated banning patch that i need to get in order |
| 01:53:02 | captain_proton | RCAM: you answer me |
| 01:53:27 | BZFlag | captain_proton: sounds good. the number man will be sad. |
| 01:53:38 | captain_proton | BZFlag: he's already permbanned from my server =) |
| 01:53:48 | BZFlag | ok, here's my take on things with RCAM: |
| 01:54:05 | RCAM | captain_proton Its a commercial game development company. |
| 01:54:10 | captain_proton | RCAM: website? |
| 01:54:11 | BZFlag | rcam in interested in sponsoring some commercial development of bzflag and doing a commercial release. |
| 01:54:16 | RCAM | http://rcam.ws |
| 01:54:23 | BZFlag | I have tentatively ..... |
| 01:54:29 | BZFlag | ibot is listening... |
| 01:54:29 | RCAM | For consoles |
| 01:54:33 | | BZFlag: excuse me? |
| 01:54:33 | BZFlag | ibot leave |
| 01:54:35 | RCAM | o yeah |
| 01:54:40 | captain_proton | i can't resolve that - whats the IP? |
| 01:54:41 | fontenot | that site is only placeholder ? |
| 01:54:44 | | RCAM: sorry... |
| 01:54:44 | RCAM | ibot, leave |
| 01:54:45 | BZFlag | one sec... |
| 01:55:04 | RCAM | captain_proton Um I dont know... |
| 01:55:07 | RCAM | Sorry |
| 01:55:11 | RCAM | We just changed servers |
| 01:55:13 | captain_proton | nslookup it for me =} |
| 01:55:19 | RCAM | We needed a faster line again |
| 01:56:10 | RCAM | The site is down for matnice we will be back in a few minutes |
| 01:56:13 | EddieNull | 12.219.85.36 |
| 01:56:27 | captain_proton | haha BZFlag |
| 01:56:29 | BZFlag | hmm |
| 01:56:33 | RCAM | lol |
| 01:56:37 | RCAM | ban it |
| 02:24:04 | captain_proton | i was planning to do some of the GL extensions anyway |
| 02:24:05 | BZFlag | ibot: leave #BZFlag |
| 02:24:38 | BZFlag | hmm... |
| 02:24:40 | BZFlag | ibot: leave #BZFlag |
| 02:52:22 | RCAM | BZFLAG see ya tomorrow |
| 02:52:25 | nuum | later |
| 02:52:26 | BZFlag | yeppers |
| 02:52:29 | RCAM | I will send the site over |
| 02:52:43 | nuum | captain_proton: want to try it again? |
| 02:52:53 | EddieNull | slams head on desk |
| 02:53:11 | captain_proton | nuum: send away |
| 02:53:18 | captain_proton | hrm |
| 02:53:20 | nuum | man my computer is breaking |
| 02:53:26 | captain_proton | BZFlag: this ban stuff uses STL =/ |
| 02:53:30 | nuum | i think its the new slackware stuff |
| 02:53:30 | vogon_jeltz | lovely. |
| 02:53:43 | nuum | i can't cuz diff segfaulted? |
| 02:53:45 | captain_proton | i'll post the patchy anyhoo |
| 02:53:48 | captain_proton | haha nuum |
| 02:53:58 | nuum | i can't start a terminal! |
| 02:54:01 | nuum | goddamn slackware |
| 02:54:10 | vogon_jeltz | BEST DISTRO EVER. |
| 02:54:19 | EddieNull | what's the reason for XMLIOException() in 1.8? It overrides std::runtime_err but it does not do anything |
| 02:54:37 | nuum | yes, slack forever! |
| 02:54:45 | captain_proton | EddieNull: i believe it will be to make it error on a bad xml file |
| 02:55:26 | nuum | unfortunately, i'm getting weird crashes and programs dying now all of the sudden |
| 02:55:57 | captain_proton | nuum: what did you upgrade? |
| 02:56:05 | nuum | glibc, others |
| 02:56:21 | nuum | disk seems to not respond |
| 02:56:25 | nuum | computer dying |
| 02:56:29 | nuum | send help |
| 02:57:06 | RCAM | thats bad |
| 02:57:11 | nuum | unable to handle kernel paging request... |
| 02:57:12 | RCAM | Uplaod source before it dies out |
| 02:57:26 | EddieNull | prton, I understand that, but it currently does nothing, just passes messages back down to std::runtime_error, so why even have it and not just use std::runtime_error in the first place? I ask because gcc 3.1 has a bug where you cannot have a class inherit from another where the defualt deconstructor thorws an exception. Thus not allowing XMLTree to compile under gcc 3.1 |
| 02:58:16 | captain_proton | nuum: i had that same error earlier today on a box - dunno what its about though |
| 02:58:37 | captain_proton | nuum: its glibc thats making it unstable |
| 02:58:38 | nuum | well i assume that somehow my virtual memory system is fooed |
| 02:58:44 | captain_proton | recompile the kernel? |
| 02:58:48 | nuum | maybe |
| 02:58:50 | nuum | i'll try |
| 02:59:13 | captain_proton | grr where are my friends? |
| 02:59:19 | captain_proton | wants to go jousting already |
| 03:00:22 | nuum | oh my, now cpu usage is through the roof |
| 03:00:44 | nuum | um i think i'm gonna reboot and hope all my work is still on my drive |
| 03:01:03 | captain_proton | hrm |
| 03:01:09 | nuum | later |
| 03:01:09 | captain_proton | pokes BZFlag |
| 03:01:56 | RCAM | brb all I am going to go work on my Linux machine... Its been a long time since I got my Mac |
| 03:01:58 | captain_proton | BZFlag: i implemented an IP dump command (that dumps to /tmp/bzfs-iplog) in order to get those cheaters who had put special characters in their callsigns - should I include this in the patch? |
| 03:02:13 | RCAM | I am going to get on irc on it |
| 03:02:30 | RCAM | captain_proton yes |
| 03:02:44 | captain_proton | i should? |
| 03:02:51 | RCAM | captain_proton E6 is final as of monday. |
| 03:02:53 | captain_proton | a better solution would be to disallow those characters |
| 03:02:56 | RCAM | Add the patchs now |
| 03:02:58 | captain_proton | RCAM: we'll see |
| 03:03:05 | nuum | good thing my os takes ~15 s to boot |
| 03:03:14 | RCAM | captain_proton Well disallow the characters then. |
| 03:03:29 | RCAM | brb alal |
| 03:03:32 | nuum | i think we need named teams |
| 03:21:09 | rcam2 | Hey its RCAM |
| 03:21:46 | rcam2 | Who is on my name? |
| 03:21:55 | captain_proton | you are |
| 03:22:00 | rcam2 | lol o |
| 03:22:07 | rcam2 | i knew that |
| 03:22:45 | RCAM_Linux_Box | I am going to look at 1.8 now |
| 03:22:57 | RCAM_Linux_Box | Does anyone know hwere the tar file is? |
| 03:23:06 | RCAM_Linux_Box | I dont have it written anymore |
| 03:23:15 | captain_proton | there isn't a tar file for 1.8 |
| 03:23:16 | captain_proton | get cvs |
| 03:23:19 | RCAM_Linux_Box | Tim made it for me today |
| 03:23:33 | captain_proton | cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.bzflag.org:/cvsroot/bzflag co bzflag |
| 03:23:36 | RCAM_Linux_Box | ok i will use cvs althugh i hate it |
| 03:23:38 | RCAM_Linux_Box | ok |
| 03:23:47 | captain_proton | whats wrong with cvs? |
| 03:27:53 | RCAM_Linux_Box | I just domt like how picky it is sometimes |
| 03:28:25 | RCAM_Linux_Box | I already got it anyway via cvs |
| 03:28:28 | RCAM_Linux_Box | Its not that bad |
| 03:28:36 | RCAM_Linux_Box | WOw pretty easy :)Usully its not |
| 03:29:06 | captain_proton | hum? |
| 03:29:11 | captain_proton | oh |
| 03:29:12 | captain_proton | the cvs |
| 03:29:23 | captain_proton | sourceforge is set up pretty nice |
| 03:29:48 | RCAM_Linux_Box | compiling now :) |
| 03:29:52 | RCAM_Linux_Box | I do love LInux |
| 03:29:58 | RCAM_Linux_Box | I have been using OS X |
| 03:30:14 | RCAM_Linux_Box | I would say OS X and Linux are the 2 best OSs avalible anywhere |
| 03:30:29 | captain_proton | OS X is a little cluttered for my taste |
| 03:30:32 | RCAM_Linux_Box | crap |
| 03:30:35 | captain_proton | i like things to be where they're supposed to be |
| 03:30:37 | RCAM_Linux_Box | I got that error too... |
| 03:30:40 | RCAM_Linux_Box | ../../include/XMLTree.h:27: looser throw specifier for `virtual |
| 03:30:40 | RCAM_Linux_Box | XMLIOException::~XMLIOException()' |
| 03:30:40 | RCAM_Linux_Box | /usr/include/g++-v3/bits/std_stdexcept.h:120: overriding `virtual |
| 03:30:40 | RCAM_Linux_Box | std::runtime_error::~runtime_error() throw ()' |
| 03:30:40 | RCAM_Linux_Box | make[3]: *** [ConfigFileManager.o] Error 1 |
| 03:30:50 | RCAM_Linux_Box | What can I do about it? |
| 03:31:00 | captain_proton | lemme take a look at that code |
| 03:31:47 | RCAM_Linux_Box | ok |
| 03:32:02 | RCAM_Linux_Box | please send me a binary via irc |
| 03:32:11 | RCAM_Linux_Box | nuum I am on LInux AMD |
| 03:32:19 | nuum | right |
| 03:32:20 | nuum | good |
| 03:32:22 | captain_proton | sending binaries won't work if you're on gcc 3.1 |
| 03:32:23 | RCAM_Linux_Box | numm look at this error I got compling... |
| 03:32:25 | RCAM_Linux_Box | ../../include/XMLTree.h:27: looser throw specifier for `virtual |
| 03:32:25 | RCAM_Linux_Box | XMLIOException::~XMLIOException()' |
| 03:32:25 | RCAM_Linux_Box | /usr/include/g++-v3/bits/std_stdexcept.h:120: overriding `virtual |
| 03:32:26 | RCAM_Linux_Box | std::runtime_error::~runtime_error() throw ()' |
| 03:32:26 | RCAM_Linux_Box | make[3]: *** [ConfigFileManager.o] Error 1 |
| 03:33:01 | nuum | um, i'm not sure of C++ standard, but I would say that you should use 2.95.3, as its faster and produces faster executables |
| 03:33:06 | nuum | at least i think it does |
| 03:33:22 | RCAM_Linux_Box | I think I have 2.95 :) |
| 03:33:26 | RCAM_Linux_Box | let me see... |
| 03:33:27 | captain_proton | gcc 2.9x will work for sure |
| 03:33:47 | RCAM_Linux_Box | opps I have 3.03 |
| 03:33:50 | nuum | but i would probably say that XMLTree.h will need to tighten up |
| 03:34:05 | captain_proton | RCAM_Linux_Box: is that all or do you have multiple gcc's? |
| 03:34:05 | RCAM_Linux_Box | There is surly something wrong with all the 3.x.x because they wont compile a lot of things |
| 03:34:09 | BZFlag | RCAM_Linux_Box: well, XMLTree is the one that need replacing anyway. do it now. ;-) |
| 03:34:19 | captain_proton | RCAM_Linux_Box: its not "wrong" its "strict" |
| 03:34:22 | RCAM_Linux_Box | hah BZFlag ok. |
| 03:34:29 | EddieNull | it a bug |
| 03:34:31 | RCAM_Linux_Box | We will need to fix that |
| 03:34:42 | nuum | does it meet the standard? |
| 03:34:45 | RCAM_Linux_Box | Eddienull needs that fixed for 1.7 correct? |
| 03:34:51 | RCAM_Linux_Box | I mean 1.8 |
| 03:34:58 | captain_proton | RCAM_Linux_Box: it will compile a lot of C++ trickiness that 2.9x won't, but it is a lot stricter in its treatment of the standard because of that |
| 03:35:00 | BZFlag | XMLTree is 1.8 only. |
| 03:35:14 | RCAM_Linux_Box | ok |
| 03:35:21 | EddieNull | yes, and XMLTree is what barfs on gcc 3.x |
| 03:35:25 | RCAM_Linux_Box | Ok |
| 03:35:32 | captain_proton | BZFlag: bans patch submitted but it uses STL (its basically Chestal's implementation) |
| 03:36:02 | EddieNull | notes that Apple's CoreFoundation XML parser is opensource and works well |
| 03:36:04 | RCAM_Linux_Box | SOmeone please sned me a biary of 1.8 for now |
| 03:36:15 | RCAM_Linux_Box | I will fix it via apt get in a few minutes after I SEE 1.8 |
| 03:36:29 | RCAM_Linux_Box | 2color is fun :0 |
| 03:36:41 | RCAM | Yay I am RCAM Now |
| 03:36:57 | captain_proton | RCAM: because you have gcc 3.x your libstdc++ will be mismatched |
| 03:37:05 | RCAM | May someoen please send me a binary? |
| 03:37:08 | RCAM | someone* |
| 03:37:10 | nuum | i dunno who actually uses 3.x |
| 03:37:10 | captain_proton | RCAM: so a binary wouldn't work unless it was static |
| 03:37:23 | nuum | i want to try the ada frontend in 3.1 |
| 03:37:24 | RCAM | I want a static |
| 03:37:39 | EddieNull | i use gcc 3, and it sucks |
| 03:37:43 | RCAM | If someone would please send it |
| 03:38:07 | nuum | how to build static? |
| 03:38:16 | captain_proton | RCAM: i'll build one hang on |
| 03:38:23 | BZFlag | RCAM: no color please. |
| 03:38:24 | RCAM | thanks |
| 03:38:29 | RCAM | ok BZFlag |
| 03:39:02 | captain_proton | RCAM: you'd better be on the latest nvidia drivers |
| 03:39:09 | RCAM | I am |
| 03:41:18 | RCAM | I am installing 2.9 now almost done |
| 03:41:21 | RCAM | I love this computer |
| 03:42:20 | RCAM | ok its installed |
| 03:42:25 | RCAM | Now lets see if it works... |
| 03:43:11 | captain_proton | hrm |
| 03:43:26 | captain_proton | BZFlag: i don't suppose you'd know what a rigid body's 'omega' value is? |
| 03:44:18 | RCAM | now cvs wont work arg |
| 03:44:27 | captain_proton | you still have the tree right? |
| 03:44:32 | RCAM | I wiped it |
| 03:44:35 | captain_proton | i finished a static binary if you still want it |
| 03:44:37 | RCAM | because the setting needed to be redone |
| 03:44:51 | RCAM | yes i do |
| 03:44:51 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 03:44:53 | captain_proton | you'll need the tree though |
| 03:44:57 | captain_proton | for the data files |
| 03:45:14 | RCAM | I have them in another folder |
| 03:45:16 | captain_proton | makes a gigantic tarball |
| 03:45:20 | captain_proton | the 1.8 data files? |
| 03:45:41 | RCAM | i got the tree back |
| 03:46:10 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 03:46:12 | captain_proton | decent transfer rate |
| 03:47:33 | RCAM | yeah |
| 03:47:34 | RCAM | thanks |
| 03:47:38 | RCAM | I am on T1 |
| 03:47:46 | RCAM | Its Road Runner Biz Class |
| 03:49:58 | nuum | omega value? |
| 03:50:18 | captain_proton | nuum: right |
| 03:50:27 | captain_proton | nuum: in crs' code, it uses Body::getOmega() |
| 03:50:30 | nuum | define it |
| 03:50:35 | captain_proton | nuum: thats what i'm asking |
| 03:50:36 | captain_proton | what is it? |
| 03:50:57 | nuum | something to do with rotation / periodicity? |
| 03:51:24 | nuum | but then it should be small omega |
| 03:51:29 | captain_proton | nuum: i'm not sure |
| 03:51:43 | captain_proton | nuum: its used in computing the derivative of the normal vector in edge-edge collisions |
| 03:51:57 | captain_proton | Vec3 uDot = (a->getOmega() % aEdge) % bEdge + aEdge % (b->getOmega() % bEdge); |
| 03:52:08 | RCAM | new error |
| 03:52:13 | RCAM | and you did nto send a binary :9 |
| 03:52:15 | RCAM | g++: installation problem, cannot exec `cc1plus': No such file or directory |
| 03:52:15 | RCAM | make[3]: *** [ConfigFileManager.o] Error 1 |
| 03:52:18 | nuum | derivative of the normal vector? |
| 03:52:33 | captain_proton | RCAM: untar that, cd bzflag, then run bin/bzflag |
| 03:52:51 | captain_proton | RCAM: tcsh? |
| 03:53:03 | captain_proton | nuum: for computing force |
| 03:53:28 | RCAM | ok |
| 03:53:34 | RCAM | in bin there is no bzfalg |
| 03:53:41 | RCAM | bzflag* |
| 03:53:46 | | there is not here |
| 03:53:46 | captain_proton | what is there? |
| 03:53:54 | captain_proton | kicks ibot |
| 03:54:04 | nuum | bad ibot bad |
| 03:54:08 | | ACTION whines like a puppy and sulks |
| 03:54:08 | nuum | ibot: bad |
| 03:54:12 | | ACTION whines like a puppy and sulks |
| 03:54:12 | nuum | ibot: bad |
| 03:54:14 | RCAM | lol |
| 03:54:20 | captain_proton | heh |
| 03:54:29 | | thanks RCAM :) |
| 03:54:29 | RCAM | ibot: be a good boy |
| 03:54:31 | | nuum: what? |
| 03:54:31 | nuum | ibot: grow up |
| 03:54:35 | | nuum: what? |
| 03:54:35 | nuum | ibot: you heard me |
| 03:54:46 | | nuum: excuse me? |
| 03:54:46 | nuum | ibot: i won't take no more of your silly little games |
| 03:54:53 | | RCAM: sorry... |
| 03:54:53 | RCAM | ibot, you made nuum mad |
| 03:54:54 | | wish i knew, nuum |
| 03:54:54 | nuum | ibot: you eat my cheetohs? |
| 03:55:01 | | nuum: sorry... |
| 03:55:01 | nuum | ibot: ah pity da fool |
| 03:55:02 | BZFlag | ok, layoff ibot. |
| 03:55:12 | | RCAM: what? |
| 03:55:12 | RCAM | ibot you eat cheetohs |
| 03:55:23 | | RCAM: sorry... |
| 03:55:23 | RCAM | ibot, you eat cheetohs |
| 03:55:32 | | RCAM: what? |
| 03:55:32 | RCAM | ibot, remember you eat cheetohs |
| 03:55:34 | | nuum: sorry... |
| 03:55:34 | nuum | ibot eat your cheetohs |
| 03:55:42 | | nuum: sorry... |
| 03:55:42 | nuum | ibot: i'm not mad at you baby |
| 03:55:44 | | RCAM: excuse me? |
| 03:55:44 | RCAM | ibot, smell you eat cheetohs |
| 03:55:53 | captain_proton | sighs |
| 03:55:55 | | RCAM: excuse me? |
| 03:55:55 | RCAM | ibot, You smell funny |
| 03:56:01 | | bye is going away |
| 03:56:01 | RCAM | ibot, bye |
| 03:56:06 | | /kickstompban ibot |
| 03:56:06 | nuum | ibot, go away |
| 03:56:13 | | OK, RCAM. |
| 03:56:13 | RCAM | ibot, yes your right bye is going away |
| 03:56:23 | | wish i knew, rcam |
| 03:56:23 | RCAM | ibot, WHat is love |
| 03:56:34 | | rcam: i haven't a clue |
| 03:56:34 | RCAM | ibot, I know what love is |
| 03:56:39 | RCAM | lol |
| 03:56:40 | RCAM | I tried |
| 03:56:48 | RCAM | O well |
| 03:57:40 | RCAM | Back to my problem |
| 03:57:40 | RCAM | I cant run BzFlag |
| 03:57:43 | RCAM | cvs is being weird |
| 03:57:55 | nuum | you just need 2.95.3 |
| 03:57:59 | nuum | then it will work |
| 03:58:00 | RCAM | I have it |
| 03:58:04 | RCAM | I changed |
| 03:58:06 | nuum | then why doesn't it work |
| 03:58:07 | RCAM | already |
| 03:58:09 | RCAM | ? |
| 03:58:14 | RCAM | I showed you the error |
| 03:58:15 | nuum | g++ -version |
| 03:58:23 | captain_proton | RCAM: are you using tcsh?!?! |
| 03:58:56 | RCAM | ? |
| 03:59:02 | captain_proton | as your shell |
| 03:59:05 | RCAM | Here is the problem now |
| 03:59:07 | RCAM | g++: installation problem, cannot exec `cc1plus': No such file or directory |
| 03:59:07 | RCAM | make[3]: *** [ConfigFileManager.o] Error 1 |
| 03:59:18 | RCAM | captain_proton I use Bash |
| 03:59:22 | captain_proton | hrm |
| 03:59:33 | nuum | well i would say g++ isn't installed properly |
| 03:59:46 | RCAM | Hmm maybe |
| 03:59:48 | RCAM | I will look |
| 04:00:20 | RCAM | you were correct |
| 04:00:30 | RCAM | when I uninstalled gcc 3 it killed g++ |
| 04:00:50 | RCAM | yay its compiling |
| 04:01:14 | RCAM | Wow well I am about to run it |
| 04:01:30 | RCAM | My reaction may be wild and crazy but dont put me on ignore :) |
| 04:01:41 | nuum | good luck |
| 04:01:49 | RCAM | thanks |
| 04:02:40 | nuum | needs my shot progressbar patch |
| 04:03:11 | RCAM | I just did cvs though so dont I have it? |
| 04:03:34 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 04:03:42 | captain_proton | grr |
| 04:03:49 | nuum | yeah i don't have cvs access. |
| 04:03:53 | captain_proton | my friends are nowhere to be found |
| 04:04:04 | nuum | even though thats what cvs is for... |
| 04:04:11 | RCAM | i am your friend :) |
| 04:04:28 | captain_proton | RCAM: but you're not around to do bicycle jousting |
| 04:04:33 | scanline | is away: i have no idea why |
| 04:05:13 | nuum | bicycle jousting. damn kids keep off my lawn |
| 04:05:31 | captain_proton | heh |
| 04:05:39 | captain_proton | there are plenty of nice fields here on campus |
| 04:06:08 | RCAM | ok I am about to run it brb |
| 04:06:20 | nuum | goddamn snow is still here |
| 04:06:41 | captain_proton | thats what you get for living in the great white north |
| 04:07:33 | nuum | canada owns your silly american ass |
| 04:07:56 | captain_proton | least i can go outside in shorts this time of year |
| 04:08:48 | nuum | yes, so can i |
| 04:08:54 | captain_proton | comfortably |
| 04:09:00 | nuum | numb |
| 04:09:05 | captain_proton | haha |
| 04:09:12 | RCAM | wow |
| 04:09:24 | RCAM | The game play will be a lot better |
| 04:09:33 | captain_proton | the gameplay is the same in 1.8 right now |
| 04:09:38 | RCAM | Yeah |
| 04:09:43 | RCAM | But a lot is better |
| 04:09:47 | captain_proton | how? |
| 04:09:47 | RCAM | SPeed |
| 04:09:52 | RCAM | Its a lot faster |
| 04:10:03 | RCAM | brb i will brenchmark it |
| 04:10:27 | nuum | could be the level you are playing |
| 04:10:30 | captain_proton | `toggle displayFPS will give you framerate |
| 04:12:50 | captain_proton | once we get the new world stuff in the gameplay will be different |
| 04:12:57 | captain_proton | i don't really notice a difference in framerate right now |
| 04:14:42 | nuum | this is an interesting symphony proton |
| 04:14:57 | captain_proton | nuum: what do you think of the second movement? |
| 04:16:11 | nuum | foreboding and dark, definitely russian |
| 04:16:21 | captain_proton | hrm |
| 04:16:27 | captain_proton | decides to go to the laser show |
| 04:16:33 | nuum | laser show? |
| 04:16:34 | captain_proton | ttyl nuum |
| 04:16:36 | nuum | my vision! |
| 04:16:38 | nuum | later |
| 04:16:38 | captain_proton | nuum: at the planetarium |
| 04:16:50 | nuum | enjoy! |
| 04:26:36 | rcam | sory bzflag forze |
| 04:26:51 | rcam | sorry* |
| 04:28:17 | rcam | Anyone here? |
| 04:28:55 | rcam | OK well I am going to go code so see ya |
| 04:29:11 | rcam | I wil be here if anyone needs me |
| 05:28:29 | scanline | is back (gone 01:23:56) |
| 05:28:49 | rcam | lol |
| 05:28:57 | rcam | As soon as I went to sleep you came back |
| 05:29:01 | rcam | O well good night |
| 05:34:57 | captain_proton | comes back |
| 05:50:48 | captain_proton | hrm |
| 05:50:51 | captain_proton | where is crs? |
| 05:50:57 | captain_proton | i fixed his collision stuff |
| 05:51:11 | captain_proton | hmm maybe not |
| 06:34:07 | nuum | ya did not |
| 06:34:42 | captain_proton | haha |
| 06:34:45 | nuum | bwahaha |
| 06:34:47 | nuum | what do you say |
| 06:34:50 | nuum | me vs you. |
| 06:34:52 | nuum | now. |
| 06:34:58 | captain_proton | where? |
| 06:34:59 | nuum | 1.8, two.bzflag.org |
| 06:35:04 | nuum | are you game? |
| 06:35:08 | captain_proton | for a while |
| 06:35:12 | captain_proton | got some hax0ring to do |
| 06:35:17 | nuum | hax0ring? |
| 06:35:34 | captain_proton | i'm participating in a team hacker wargames |
| 06:35:35 | nuum | like whitehouse.us.gov? |
| 06:35:41 | nuum | wtf is that? |
| 06:35:50 | nuum | explain, i am interested |
| 06:35:54 | captain_proton | legal hacking |
| 06:35:57 | captain_proton | each team gets a box |
| 06:36:03 | captain_proton | they have 24 hours to secure it |
| 06:36:03 | nuum | so you mean cracking |
| 06:36:09 | captain_proton | yeah kinda |
| 06:36:15 | captain_proton | not technically cracking because its not illegal |
| 06:36:19 | captain_proton | then you try to root the others' |
| 06:36:28 | nuum | i see |
| 06:36:36 | nuum | why not just turn the machine off? |
| 06:36:50 | captain_proton | because then you don't have control over it |
| 06:37:00 | nuum | yeah but neither do they! |
| 06:37:11 | nuum | thats the subtle beauty of my scheme |
| 06:37:30 | captain_proton | except if you don't have control over it then you lose |
| 06:37:31 | nuum | ok lets duel |
| 06:37:40 | nuum | well you can always turn it back on |
| 06:37:52 | nuum | like, duh |
| 06:48:17 | captain_proton | lag too bad |
| 06:48:33 | nuum | man you oughta get that patch in |
| 06:48:40 | nuum | did buddy finally get the game going? |
| 06:48:47 | captain_proton | huh? |
| 06:49:18 | nuum | anyway, how do you hack a box proton? |
| 06:49:24 | nuum | heuristic? whats the approach |
| 06:49:34 | nuum | scan all the ports? |
| 06:49:40 | captain_proton | scanning ports is the first step |
| 06:49:48 | captain_proton | then you figure out versions |
| 06:49:50 | nuum | can you rotate ports? |
| 06:49:54 | captain_proton | check securityfocus |
| 06:50:01 | captain_proton | if there's already an exploit, you're in |
| 06:50:11 | captain_proton | if not, you have to go through the code of that service and try to find one |
| 06:50:15 | captain_proton | rotate ports ? |
| 06:50:19 | nuum | obviously to secure your own machine you check these places, why wouldn't they? |
| 06:50:36 | nuum | how reliable is version info? |
| 06:50:43 | captain_proton | depends how good they are |
| 06:50:45 | nuum | do you fingerprint it somehow |
| 06:50:52 | captain_proton | that also depends on the service |
| 06:50:58 | captain_proton | things like mail servers |
| 06:51:01 | captain_proton | will tell you the version |
| 06:51:15 | nuum | whats to stop them from not hacking their mail server? |
| 06:51:25 | captain_proton | rephrase |
| 06:51:28 | nuum | this is version 0.99.hackmeplease.69.420 |
| 06:51:54 | nuum | this is fake-o-matic-version-hacked-with-huge-easy-exploit-to-waste-your-time.99 |
| 06:52:04 | captain_proton | well yeah |
| 06:52:13 | captain_proton | if they're good, they'll have changed the code to report an incorrect version |
| 06:52:13 | nuum | i mean, what kinda defenses you got? |
| 06:52:17 | captain_proton | well |
| 06:52:25 | captain_proton | we're required to run 3 services |
| 06:52:35 | captain_proton | we're running ssh, chargen, and postfix |
| 06:52:40 | nuum | why not more! dammit man, challenge them! |
| 06:52:49 | nuum | think about it, the more services, the more you are wasting their time |
| 06:52:54 | iLLf8d | lo all e5 -p and -pr settings uses only 2 ports? |
| 06:53:07 | captain_proton | postfix is coded to be secure, but it (and chargen) are running as a user who has no way to elevate privledges |
| 06:53:25 | nuum | so thats not even worth a guys time |
| 06:53:36 | nuum | these things gotta be tight by now |
| 06:53:37 | captain_proton | they don't know that ;) |
| 06:53:45 | nuum | are these amateurs? |
| 06:54:05 | captain_proton | if it gets to a stalemate, the operators of the games will probably have us start giving shells |
| 06:54:12 | nuum | ok, i'm gonna code me up a textured cube that rotates for the menu system |
| 06:54:24 | captain_proton | i like the spinning tank =) |
| 06:54:32 | captain_proton | code me up a widget set |
| 06:54:34 | nuum | yeah, but i've got some other ideas |
| 06:54:44 | nuum | i would like to. it would be better if someone has already done it |
| 06:55:02 | captain_proton | i'd be willing to work on it with ya |
| 06:55:03 | nuum | i think i would rather invest my time in trying a higher level concurrent version |
| 06:55:17 | nuum | i'm talking using concurrent ML or something |
| 06:55:22 | nuum | but that may be out there |
| 06:55:43 | nuum | i think the way to go would be to research the stuff out there |
| 06:55:45 | nuum | to freshmeat! |
| 06:56:24 | nuum | what about fltk to openGL? |
| 06:56:31 | | somebody said fltk was Fast Lightweight Tool Kit and can be found at http://www.fltk.org or <reply> fltk is also available in 2 versions for the ipaq - libfltk1 from official feeds, which is cut-down, or libfltk1-1, the full bells'n'whistles, available from David McNab's feed at http://freenet.org.nz/feeds/mcnab |
| 06:56:31 | captain_proton | fltk? |
| 06:57:22 | nuum | apparently it can do openGL |
| 06:57:42 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 06:58:38 | nuum | doesn't look like we have datamodels or all the nice fancy stuff of java |
| 06:59:01 | captain_proton | its not that it can do opengl |
| 06:59:05 | captain_proton | it can handle an opengl context |
| 06:59:13 | captain_proton | it renders using X/other stuff |
| 06:59:42 | nuum | hmmm |
| 07:00:08 | nuum | well, maybe a simple button class, maybe a simple tablemodel interface, a table, a tablecellrenderer, list, etc |
| 07:00:19 | captain_proton | well |
| 07:00:21 | nuum | maybe not have a full windowmanager ;) |
| 07:00:34 | nuum | internalframes, etc we don't need, though some would be nice |
| 07:00:42 | captain_proton | the things it needs most are these: button, text-entry, list, table, scrolled window |
| 07:00:42 | nuum | i mean, if you're gonna do it, do it right |
| 07:00:49 | | captain_proton: We only support a 1200 bps connection. |
| 07:00:49 | captain_proton | excuse my gtk lingo |
| 07:00:56 | nuum | wtf |
| 07:00:59 | | wish i knew, nuum |
| 07:00:59 | nuum | ibot: wtf? |
| 07:01:00 | captain_proton | not an excuse ibot |
| 07:01:07 | | nuum: huh? |
| 07:01:07 | nuum | ibot: say my name |
| 07:01:10 | captain_proton | "excuse" - verb form |
| 07:01:18 | captain_proton | nuum: ibot was giving me an excuse |
| 07:01:24 | | captain_proton: CD-ROM server needs recalibration |
| 07:01:24 | captain_proton | ibot, excuse |
| 07:01:30 | nuum | wtf? |
| 07:01:42 | captain_proton | nuum: thats why "it doesn't work" |
| 07:01:56 | captain_proton | BOFH-style excuses |
| 07:02:05 | nuum | bofh? |
| 07:02:15 | captain_proton | bastard operator from hell |
| 07:02:20 | captain_proton | what, were you born yesterday? |
| 07:02:47 | nuum | well i think that we could manage with a list, table, scrollpane, button, label, borders |
| 07:03:01 | captain_proton | themeable? =} |
| 07:03:10 | nuum | of course! |
| 07:03:24 | nuum | you use gtk? i'm more of a java fan |
| 07:03:39 | captain_proton | yea |
| 07:03:45 | captain_proton | i've never taken the time to learn java |
| 07:03:51 | captain_proton | because its slow for my tastes |
| 07:03:55 | nuum | its very pretty, but yes, slow |
| 07:04:01 | nuum | such a nice language |
| 07:04:02 | captain_proton | well |
| 07:04:05 | captain_proton | AWT isn't pretty |
| 07:04:08 | nuum | you wouldn't have trouble with it |
| 07:04:10 | captain_proton | grins |
| 07:04:18 | captain_proton | i wouldn't have trouble with just about any language |
| 07:04:23 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream!! |
| 07:04:25 | nuum | ya never know |
| 07:05:13 | captain_proton | hrm |
| 07:05:20 | captain_proton | grr |
| 07:05:23 | nuum | ok, so we code up the interfaces (pure virtual classes?), then the abstract classes, then implement a few simple components such as a BZButton |
| 07:05:27 | captain_proton | needs to choose another piece of music to listen to |
| 07:05:35 | captain_proton | no BZ in front of class names |
| 07:05:57 | captain_proton | gimme a composer |
| 07:06:03 | nuum | richard d. james |
| 07:06:07 | captain_proton | hrm |
| 07:06:10 | captain_proton | i don't have any of that |
| 07:06:11 | captain_proton | try again |
| 07:06:20 | nuum | richard d. james aka the aphex twin |
| 07:06:30 | nuum | go get richard d. james album |
| 07:06:43 | nuum | ok, ok, prokofiev |
| 07:06:44 | captain_proton | nuum: just give me an idea of what to listen to -now- |
| 07:06:47 | captain_proton | that works |
| 07:06:48 | MrApathyCream | hey |
| 07:06:57 | | lag is very bad here :( |
| 07:06:57 | nuum | lag? |
| 07:07:03 | nuum | sag? |
| 07:07:05 | nuum | bag? |
| 07:07:17 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 07:07:21 | nuum | mag? azine of people pleasing weezing out cough drops stop! |
| 07:08:10 | nuum | ok well i'm gonna go look at porn |
| 07:08:16 | captain_proton | have fun |
| 07:08:44 | nuum | hack them boxes! |
| 07:08:50 | captain_proton | hah |
| 07:08:50 | nuum | fuckit, hack the planet! |
| 07:09:03 | captain_proton | lol |
| 07:10:55 | MrApathyCream | rikers doin anutter 1.7, eh? |
| 07:11:09 | captain_proton | yeh |
| 07:15:30 | iLLf8d | hmm |
| 07:15:35 | captain_proton | blah |
| 07:15:44 | captain_proton | i hate people |
| 07:15:52 | iLLf8d | hey cap can you tell me what ports I need open to get my server working? |
| 07:15:59 | captain_proton | completely unconditionally |
| 07:16:03 | iLLf8d | I'm running the latest cvs 1.7 |
| 07:16:34 | captain_proton | iLLf8d: with port 5155 and -pr 5156 you need to open tcp 5155 and 5156, udp 5155 |
| 07:16:51 | iLLf8d | thats it? |
| 07:16:58 | captain_proton | should be |
| 07:17:05 | iLLf8d | doesn't seem to be working what about for the list server? |
| 07:17:36 | captain_proton | just add -public blahblahblah |
| 07:17:57 | iLLf8d | hmm |
| 07:18:11 | iLLf8d | doesn't show in the list and I can't seem to connect |
| 07:18:11 | iLLf8d | wierd |
| 07:20:01 | iLLf8d | rdr dc0 0.0.0.0/0 port 5155 -> 192.168.0.3 port 5155 tcp/udp |
| 07:20:01 | iLLf8d | rdr dc0 0.0.0.0/0 port 5156 -> 192.168.0.3 port 5156 tcp/udp |
| 07:22:50 | iLLf8d | @2 pass in quick on dc0 proto tcp from any to any port = 5155 keep state |
| 07:22:50 | iLLf8d | @3 pass in quick on dc0 proto udp from any to any port = 5155 keep state |
| 07:22:50 | iLLf8d | @4 pass in quick on dc0 proto tcp from any to any port = 5156 keep state |
| 07:22:56 | iLLf8d | hmm |
| 07:29:03 | captain_proton | ho hum |
| 08:28:24 | onthemark | hey all |
| 08:28:25 | captain_proton | hiya onthemark |
| 08:28:33 | onthemark | any tourny yet? |
| 08:29:11 | captain_proton | not really |
| 08:49:16 | scanline | is away: ZzZzZzzzz |
| 08:58:25 | Chestal | good morning |
| 08:58:48 | captain_proton | hello |
| 09:07:12 | Chestal | hi lupi |
| 09:17:19 | lupinator | waer nicht schlecht |
| 09:23:24 | captain_proton | muses |
| 09:32:26 | fontenot | :-) |
| 09:50:47 | | what's up, [TLZ] |
| 09:50:47 | [TLZ] | hi |
| 09:51:07 | [TLZ] | having my first look around here |
| 09:51:58 | fontenot | welcome |
| 09:52:05 | [TLZ] | thanks |
| 09:58:21 | lupinator | hola |
| 09:59:27 | TLZajax | hello |
| 09:59:43 | TLZajax | anyone here |
| 10:01:51 | lupinator | yup |
| 10:02:22 | lupinator | hm |
| 10:17:11 | fontenot | hmm |
| 15:00:02 | | bonjour, almogaver |
| 15:00:02 | almogaver | hi |
| 15:00:55 | Chestal | hi almo |
| 15:01:08 | almogaver | hi Chestal |
| 15:01:14 | almogaver | who were bimmel and bommel? |
| 15:01:30 | Chestal | lupi+tankmann |
| 15:01:43 | almogaver | ah! ok |
| 15:01:54 | almogaver | it was a very very hard game |
| 15:02:13 | Chestal | yes, our team was doing quite well |
| 15:02:27 | Chestal | let's hope it will work as good tonight, we'll need it against the zees |
| 15:02:34 | almogaver | we wasn't too bad |
| 15:02:51 | Chestal | you were quite laggy as usual, but arathorn was worse |
| 15:03:02 | almogaver | and we got a big defeat |
| 15:03:19 | almogaver | i was as laggy as ever |
| 15:03:45 | almogaver | i can't do it better |
| 15:03:48 | Chestal | the strange thing is that /lagstats seems not to be very accurate for dialup users |
| 15:03:50 | almogaver | with this fucking modem |
| 15:04:00 | Chestal | it shows only about 200-300ms but most of the time it feels much worse |
| 15:04:07 | almogaver | why it isn't very accurate? |
| 15:04:19 | fontenot | i have noticed that |
| 15:04:26 | almogaver | it should be handled by the server |
| 15:04:31 | Chestal | maybe I'll try to get lag pings into 1.7e6 and we can see whether this makes a difference |
| 15:04:32 | fontenot | 200-300 feels like 500+ |
| 15:04:36 | almogaver | in that way, the lagstats will be the same for all players |
| 15:04:40 | fontenot | with modem users |
| 15:04:52 | Chestal | I played capn+Mr. Ass yesterday, both showing with 200-250ms of lag, but felt quite accurate |
| 15:04:59 | almogaver | i'm used to don't shot to the other tank |
| 15:05:08 | almogaver | only against newbies i do that |
| 15:05:14 | Chestal | almogaver: well, the curent mode of measurement is a hack. It doesn't measure the right thing |
| 15:05:20 | almogaver | so, i'm used to shot depending who i'm shoting to |
| 15:05:36 | Chestal | almogaver: still, I do not really understasnd what is going on |
| 15:05:46 | almogaver | if it's a newbie, i know were i should whot |
| 15:05:48 | almogaver | shot |
| 15:06:07 | almogaver | but if he's a good player... my luck will decide ;) |
| 15:07:28 | almogaver | i know 1.7e5 was in the CVS some time ago |
| 15:07:40 | almogaver | but i haven't any notice about 1.7e6 |
| 15:08:38 | Chestal | well, e6 will be next release. Initially we weren't goign to do another release before 1.8, but we might now |
| 15:11:46 | almogaver | Chestal: compatible with the actual 1.7e4? |
| 15:11:54 | almogaver | were i can see the changelog? |
| 15:11:57 | Chestal | almogaver: yes |
| 15:12:00 | almogaver | where i can see the changelog? |
| 15:12:09 | Chestal | hmm, I don't think there really is one |
| 15:12:28 | Chestal | and e6: it hasn't been decided what's going into it yet |
| 15:12:52 | arathorn | hi all |
| 15:12:53 | almogaver | hi arathorn |
| 15:19:02 | Chestal | hi capn |
| 15:19:11 | CapN | hi chestal, how are you. |
| 15:19:32 | Chestal | CapN: tired, and my head aches a little. But all in all fine |
| 15:20:11 | CapN | chestal: how are the challenge matches going to work, do you think they will all be on ducati? |
| 15:20:54 | Chestal | CapN: not neccesarily. We'll have one onducati this evening (19 UTC, Moles<->Zees) |
| 15:21:22 | Chestal | but I want to restrict official matches to the ducati mode of play for now |
| 15:21:56 | Chestal | furthermore, I have some patches in my server which are useful, I'll try to get them into 1.7e6 |
| 15:22:06 | Chestal | then more peopel could run a tournament server |
| 15:22:39 | CapN | for tonight though you'll set up a 'private' server or how does that work? |
| 15:22:41 | Chestal | we'll try to get it stated slowly, Valoche will be back next week so we might expect some changes to the web site |
| 15:22:52 | Chestal | yes, I start a server on a different port |
| 15:23:04 | Chestal | with 3 people per team max. |
| 15:23:31 | Chestal | timed game, 30 minutes. I added a new server command which allows the admin to start the countdown |
| 15:23:53 | CapN | that will be a nice feature |
| 15:24:11 | Chestal | we had a match between meq and his Friday evening, it ended 3:3 |
| 15:24:32 | Chestal | there was some confusion about the time, not everybody showed up |
| 15:24:32 | CapN | really! |
| 15:24:47 | Chestal | nuum joined as 3rd meq player, and we had some lag issues |
| 15:25:08 | Chestal | most of Spanish tanks are using dialup and nuum also lagged very bad |
| 15:25:16 | CapN | so if other teams want to do this is it ok? How do suggest 'they' go about it? Do we just ask you. |
| 15:25:23 | almogaver | but Chestal, the lagger was arathorn |
| 15:25:29 | almogaver | Chestal: and he don't played |
| 15:25:39 | CapN | hi almo |
| 15:25:48 | almogaver | T-34 and me had less lag than nuum |
| 15:25:53 | Chestal | almogaver: yes, but the other his peopel also lagged, you cannot do better with modems |
| 15:25:54 | almogaver | satan and riseman was ok |
| 15:26:08 | Chestal | according to lagstats yes, but this seems not to be very accurate, especially for dialup people |
| 15:26:12 | almogaver | they have good connections |
| 15:26:27 | almogaver | i'm not talking about my lagstats |
| 15:26:33 | Chestal | capn: have you played on bhaskara ctf? |
| 15:26:37 | almogaver | i'm talking about the riseman's one |
| 15:26:49 | Chestal | riseman is ok I guess |
| 15:26:53 | Chestal | haven't played him in some time |
| 15:26:57 | CapN | i think so, too many servers now, i get them all confused. |
| 15:27:20 | Chestal | it's captain protons |
| 15:27:28 | Chestal | on port 5156 he runs a ducati CTF clone |
| 15:27:33 | almogaver | CapN: hi, sorry ;) |
| 15:27:39 | Chestal | might be a good place for battles between two US teams |
| 15:27:41 | CapN | chestal: i've had some lag issues recently too, strange though it doesnt appear laggy to play any different though. |
| 15:28:01 | Chestal | CapN: I played you and Mr. Ass yesterday, lagsatts showed >200ms, but it felt ok most of the time |
| 15:28:08 | Chestal | we'll try to get better lag measurement into 1.7e6 |
| 15:28:12 | almogaver | Chestal: but bhaskara doesn't work for european dialups ;) |
| 15:28:15 | CapN | i know thats my point its strange. |
| 15:28:17 | Chestal | this wil only work with new clients, though |
| 15:28:53 | CapN | My lag is stating its higher the past couple weeks but it feels the same as when it was 150-175 |
| 15:29:31 | CapN | e6, geez i'm still using e4 |
| 15:30:08 | Chestal | well, e5 is current development code |
| 15:30:23 | Chestal | we didn't plan to make another 1.7 release, but we probably will now |
| 15:30:34 | CapN | but is it available for us lame Windows users as a download somewhere. |
| 15:30:40 | vogon_jeltz | not yet. |
| 15:30:44 | CapN | e5 i mean |
| 15:30:49 | vogon_jeltz | no. |
| 15:31:11 | vogon_jeltz | we should set up a Windows build box and make nightly snapshots, though, IMHO. |
| 15:31:26 | Chestal | capn: e5 is source code only. On MrApathyCream's site are executables |
| 15:31:31 | CapN | us windows folks are always left out :( |
| 15:31:41 | Chestal | but e5 isn't very different from e4 right now |
| 15:31:43 | vogon_jeltz | oh, OK, didn't know that Cream was hosting binaries. |
| 15:33:09 | Chestal | capn: regaridng the challenges: for now it's done manually, we'll think of somethign and allow it via the web page real soon now :-) |
| 15:33:52 | CapN | chestal: so say i knew a team who wanted to challenge some other team, can we ask you to set up the server for them? |
| 15:35:33 | Chestal | yes, ask me or captain proton for now |
| 15:35:49 | CapN | ok, thanks. |
| 15:35:49 | Chestal | the first challanges are experimental |
| 15:37:08 | CapN | chestal: How does the new idle kick work? Is it for someone who has paused themselves? If someone has died and not restarted for awhile are they kicked also? |
| 15:39:13 | almogaver | the default port for server is 5155, isn't it? |
| 15:39:19 | Chestal | the server checks if any update msgs are received for that player |
| 15:39:37 | Chestal | update msgs will be recived, whenever the player's tank is on the battlefield (and his network is working) |
| 15:39:48 | Chestal | so, he will be kicked after 300s of being dead |
| 15:39:54 | Chestal | when he is paused, he will still send msgs |
| 15:40:05 | almogaver | Chestal: 300s is too much |
| 15:40:15 | Chestal | that's not a bis issue for ctf, however. One the flag is captured, he will die and then count as idle |
| 15:40:23 | vogon_jeltz | almogaver: it's not too much for HTTP. ;) |
| 15:40:27 | Chestal | almogaver: 5155 is default port, yes |
| 15:40:31 | almogaver | Chestal: sometimes i've been disconnected from internet |
| 15:40:37 | vogon_jeltz | almogaver: 5 minutes is the default keepalive for HTTP. |
| 15:40:38 | Chestal | almogaver: I considerer lowering it |
| 15:40:44 | almogaver | Chestal: and then i can't connect again with same callsign |
| 15:41:09 | Chestal | you can check with /idlestats btw. |
| 15:41:12 | vogon_jeltz | hmm, that gives me a good idea. |
| 15:41:28 | almogaver | Chestal: are you managing this 5 minutes or it's managed by the operating system? |
| 15:41:30 | Chestal | I deperately need tea |
| 15:41:38 | almogaver | Chestal: thx 4 the port |
| 15:41:42 | vogon_jeltz | if someone tries to collide a nickname, the preexisting player has to challenge it or else the game considers the player a ghost and kicks them. |
| 15:41:52 | Chestal | almogaver: the idle tiem I'm talkgn about is a bzfs feature, I can set the time as a parameter |
| 15:42:04 | almogaver | Chestal: ok |
| 15:42:24 | almogaver | i had the same problem some time ago |
| 15:42:28 | Chestal | vogon: with 1.8 and the player registry this will become a non-issue I guess |
| 15:42:29 | almogaver | but connecting |
| 15:42:37 | vogon_jeltz | Chestal: good point. |
| 15:42:37 | almogaver | the timeout for linux is 3 minutes |
| 15:42:48 | Chestal | vogon_jeltz: that's the TIMEOUT for dead sockets |
| 15:43:05 | almogaver | i solved it with alarm(2) and a signal manager |
| 15:43:10 | Chestal | this has be be that long, the reasons for this are complicated. Read about about TCP :-) |
| 15:43:21 | vogon_jeltz | yeah, I've read the spec. :) |
| 15:43:37 | vogon_jeltz | and IP, for that matter. :) |
| 15:44:03 | vogon_jeltz | I still need to read UDP and ICMP. |
| 15:44:32 | almogaver | i know, too |
| 15:44:43 | almogaver | but 3 minutes doesn't work for me ;) |
| 15:45:09 | almogaver | i'm going to play some time |
| 15:45:11 | almogaver | cya |
| 15:45:22 | almogaver | is away: Playing, of course ;) |
| 15:59:38 | CapN | well, off to play some bye. |
| 16:15:19 | | hey, rcam |
| 16:15:19 | rcam | hi |
| 16:15:27 | rcam | Sorry I got disconnect4ed |
| 16:15:39 | rcam | Anyone here? |
| 16:16:34 | | rcam: no idea |
| 16:16:34 | rcam | ibot, what was the last thing said in here? |
| 16:16:41 | rcam | ok thanks anyway ibot |
| 16:17:26 | rcam | i bet you are all playing bzflag... |
| 16:17:29 | rcam | I will go check |
| 16:19:05 | Chestal | hi rcam |
| 16:19:24 | rcam | hey |
| 16:19:27 | rcam | Is anyone playing 1.8? |
| 16:19:52 | rcam | I am going on it to play |
| 16:19:56 | rcam | Hope to see you there |
| 16:23:17 | Chestal | 1.8 is not ready for playign yet IMHO |
| 16:23:20 | Chestal | at least not for me |
| 16:23:29 | rcam | o |
| 16:23:34 | rcam | I have been playing it |
| 16:23:35 | rcam | I just was |
| 16:23:39 | rcam | It seems to work ok |
| 16:23:48 | rcam | It needs the speed meter |
| 16:23:57 | rcam | and the text needs to be biger |
| 16:24:01 | Chestal | yes, it works, but it's not up to par with 1.7 for now |
| 16:24:02 | rcam | and tell you what flag you have |
| 16:24:07 | rcam | I know |
| 16:24:13 | Chestal | fonts are hard to read, some effects are missing |
| 16:24:13 | rcam | BUt it runs so much better |
| 16:24:22 | Chestal | and I have to use software rendering, that's too slow with 1.8 for now |
| 16:24:23 | rcam | The Blowing up was added |
| 16:24:40 | rcam | It looks great |
| 16:24:50 | rcam | Its much smoother and faster then 1.7. |
| 16:25:03 | Chestal | hmm, it's about the same for me with hardware accel. at home |
| 16:25:21 | Chestal | with software rendering, 1.8 is unusable for now. 1.7 has some optimizations for that |
| 16:25:26 | rcam | I am going to work on the textures and menus right now so I will talk to you later. |
| 16:25:37 | rcam | If you needa ntyhing just say it |
| 16:25:41 | rcam | and I will hear a beep |
| 16:25:45 | Chestal | ok |
| 16:26:23 | rcam | Tomorrow we will do the E6 release as long as eddienull finish's the OS X thing. |
| 16:26:38 | rcam | And I am pretty sure he is done. |
| 16:26:40 | rcam | I will check |
| 16:26:47 | Chestal | uh, e6 release tomorrow? |
| 16:26:53 | Chestal | I wanted to get a couple of patches into it |
| 16:27:01 | rcam | Please add them tonight. |
| 16:27:05 | Chestal | I'll just have to tidy then a little |
| 16:27:35 | rcam | Ok. |
| 16:27:38 | Chestal | at least: client side throttling, maybe server side throttling, lag pings, idle kicks, maybe 2 team random CTF, /gamereset command |
| 16:27:48 | Chestal | my code base is 1.7e3 still |
| 16:27:55 | rcam | O why? |
| 16:28:13 | Chestal | several reasons: e4 radar sucks IMHO |
| 16:28:19 | rcam | yeah |
| 16:28:40 | Chestal | and when I upgraded to e5, bzfs had 3 anooying bugs, these are fixed now, but I couldn't use it then |
| 16:28:47 | rcam | I am going to redo the GUI at the bottem for e6 to put on the finsihing touch. |
| 16:29:07 | Chestal | I'm not 100% sure if e5 works with pre-e5 clients |
| 16:29:15 | Chestal | there was a bug in the client code regardign multicasting |
| 16:29:21 | rcam | Hmm. |
| 16:29:25 | rcam | Odd |
| 16:29:33 | Chestal | it woul dneed some testing, especially on both LAN and internet |
| 16:29:38 | rcam | E6 will be a lot better for a lot of reasons. |
| 16:29:43 | Chestal | multicastign is disbaled for now, it always made problems |
| 16:30:00 | rcam | Its an interesting concept. |
| 16:30:01 | Chestal | e6 should be compatiable with older versions? |
| 16:30:05 | rcam | Yes |
| 16:30:08 | rcam | IT will be. |
| 16:30:24 | rcam | THe on;ly difference is its OS X compadible and the GUI is a lot better looking. |
| 16:30:28 | rcam | only* |
| 16:30:34 | rcam | And IT says RCAM on it. |
| 16:30:45 | Chestal | GUI is menus? of other changes? |
| 16:30:50 | Chestal | of -> or |
| 16:31:06 | rcam | Menus and the panel on the bottom |
| 16:31:16 | rcam | Its going to get a little makeover |
| 16:31:24 | Chestal | just make sure it looks ok with all features turned off please |
| 16:31:24 | rcam | I also have better texture packs |
| 16:31:29 | rcam | I am |
| 16:31:55 | Chestal | the only thing I am using is lighting, this doesn't slow down my software rendering |
| 16:32:18 | rcam | Thats a ncie thing to have :) |
| 16:33:52 | Chestal | I'm not feeling to well today, so I guess I could have my patches ready tomorrow evening at the earliest |
| 16:33:57 | rcam | WHats the command toget 1.7 source of BZFlag via CVS? |
| 16:34:08 | Chestal | hmm, good quesition, I never did this |
| 16:34:12 | Chestal | -r 1.7 or something |
| 16:34:22 | rcam | Chestal Tomorrow evening... ouch |
| 16:34:33 | rcam | Chestal We were hoping for an early morning release |
| 16:34:37 | rcam | What needs to be done? |
| 16:35:00 | Chestal | well, I woudl ahve to decide which of my patches would be really useful |
| 16:35:06 | rcam | OK |
| 16:35:14 | rcam | Remember E6 is final. |
| 16:35:18 | Chestal | then integrate them in current CVS code |
| 16:35:23 | rcam | Yeah |
| 16:35:25 | rcam | Good idea |
| 16:35:45 | Chestal | and clean them up a little, most of them started as erperiemntal only |
| 16:35:50 | Chestal | but they turned out to be really useful |
| 16:35:55 | rcam | yeah |
| 16:36:04 | Chestal | e.g. client side throttling is 3 code lines only |
| 16:36:14 | rcam | Ok cool |
| 16:36:15 | Chestal | but: to be useful it shoudl be configfurable |
| 16:36:20 | rcam | Yeah |
| 16:36:27 | Chestal | at least by editing the config file, a menu item would be better |
| 16:36:35 | Chestal | currently it's fixed at 30 msgs/s |
| 16:36:51 | Chestal | this should help dialup people a lot Ihope |
| 16:37:07 | rcam | WHats the full command to download 1.7 e5 from CVS? |
| 16:37:22 | Chestal | haven't figureed out the tag part |
| 16:37:36 | | rcam: wish i knew |
| 16:37:36 | rcam | Ibot, Whats the full command to download 1.7 e5 from CVS? |
| 16:37:38 | rcam | Lol |
| 16:37:43 | rcam | Ibot is so usefull :) |
| 16:37:56 | | rcam: excuse me? |
| 16:37:56 | rcam | ibot, msg rcam hi |
| 16:38:02 | | rcam: i'm not following you... |
| 16:38:02 | rcam | ibot msg rcam hi |
| 16:38:06 | rcam | It used to work |
| 16:38:09 | rcam | O well |
| 16:38:15 | | rcam: sorry... |
| 16:38:15 | rcam | ibot, /msg rcam hi |
| 16:38:19 | | rcam: i'm not following you... |
| 16:38:19 | rcam | ibot /msg rcam hi |
| 16:38:29 | Chestal | maybe cvs co -r 1.7 ? |
| 16:38:37 | Chestal | I am not sure, though |
| 16:38:40 | rcam | ok |
| 16:39:26 | Chestal | I'm also trying to check out the complete tree |
| 16:39:34 | rcam | ok |
| 16:39:47 | rcam | Well when you giure out what e5 is listed as tell me please |
| 16:39:48 | Chestal | betetr to keep my own tree seperate for now |
| 16:40:22 | Chestal | ok, now I'll have to figure out which release I got :-) |
| 16:41:10 | Chestal | hmm, I think I got 1.8 |
| 16:41:46 | rcam | I have 1.8 but i need 1.7 e5 |
| 16:41:53 | Chestal | me, too |
| 16:42:03 | Chestal | co -r 1.7 didn't seem to work, hmm |
| 16:42:16 | rcam | I am looking it up now... |
| 16:42:32 | Chestal | -r is corect, I just need the right tag |
| 16:42:43 | rcam | hmm what is it |
| 16:42:53 | rcam | I am browsing the cvs and i dont see 1.7 at al |
| 16:42:55 | rcam | all* |
| 16:43:08 | Chestal | tryign v1_7 now |
| 16:43:15 | rcam | ok |
| 16:43:32 | Chestal | hmm, I'm getting .rgb files, not pngs, looks good so far |
| 16:44:29 | rcam | whats the exact command you gave it? |
| 16:44:58 | Chestal | it's definitely pre-1.8 |
| 16:45:07 | rcam | is that what we want? |
| 16:45:11 | rcam | yes |
| 16:45:14 | Chestal | cvs -d:ext:chestal@cvs.bzflag.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/bzflag co -r v1_7 bzflag |
| 16:45:18 | rcam | ok |
| 16:45:19 | Chestal | using my sf account chestal |
| 16:45:20 | rcam | thanks |
| 16:45:54 | rcam | whats the password |
| 16:45:57 | rcam | so I can downlaod it |
| 16:46:00 | rcam | load* |
| 16:46:13 | Chestal | ehm, that's secret. DOn't you have your own sf account? |
| 16:46:22 | rcam | Hmm |
| 16:46:25 | rcam | I think I do |
| 16:46:32 | rcam | BUt I dont know if Tima dded me yet |
| 16:46:32 | Chestal | I have CVS_RSH = ssh btw. |
| 16:46:46 | Chestal | cvs read access is open to all |
| 16:46:57 | Chestal | you can even access it without an account, forgot how that works, though |
| 16:47:21 | Chestal | https://sourceforge.net/cvs/?group_id=3248 tells you how, I guess |
| 16:47:29 | rcam | i got it |
| 16:48:02 | rcam | i used |
| 16:48:03 | rcam | cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.bzflag.org:/cvsroot/bzflag co -r v1_7 bzflag |
| 16:48:43 | Chestal | ok, it compiled |
| 16:49:02 | rcam | great |
| 16:49:13 | rcam | Now I am going to work on it |
| 16:50:30 | rcam | For 1.8 we are going to have an installation program for all OSs that has a GUI... a standerd text interface could be used too |
| 16:50:58 | Chestal | I'm using debian package at home, works fine :-) |
| 16:51:12 | Chestal | and at work I'm always workign with the current source anyway |
| 16:51:27 | Chestal | ok, it works, identified itself as 1.7E5 and has the new radar *shudder* |
| 17:02:10 | rcam | mine to |
| 17:02:14 | rcam | I am making it E6 |
| 17:02:42 | rcam | When you finish your patchs tell me so i may apply them to my copy and I can make it all oen big update when Tim gets back |
| 17:03:00 | Chestal | hm, I'll do my best |
| 17:03:08 | rcam | ok thanks |
| 17:03:47 | Chestal | lupinator: which version is your client based on? |
| 17:04:10 | lupinator | some e5 |
| 17:04:28 | Chestal | hmm, I'd like to test E5 server with at least two e4 clients |
| 17:04:47 | rcam | yeah |
| 17:05:10 | lupinator | i've got an e4 client around |
| 17:06:32 | Chestal | hmm, mien says E5, thought I'd patched it to say something else, oh well |
| 17:07:24 | rcam | What source file actully says E5 in it or e4? |
| 17:08:55 | Chestal | good question, it must be dfined somewhere |
| 17:09:02 | rcam | I just foudn it |
| 17:09:05 | rcam | Its in config |
| 17:09:10 | rcam | Along wiht a lot of other stuff |
| 17:09:14 | rcam | with* |
| 17:10:02 | rcam | What version number will E6 be? |
| 17:10:05 | rcam | E5 is 10705005 |
| 17:10:49 | lupinator | 10705006? |
| 17:11:20 | rcam | ok |
| 17:11:58 | Chestal | lupi: join ducati 59100 please |
| 17:12:18 | rcam | All of the copyrights also need to be changed to 2002 |
| 17:12:52 | Chestal | the documentation is also a bit anachronistic |
| 17:15:11 | rcam | eddienull make sure to write a read me for 1.7 e6 OS X please |
| 17:17:25 | Chestal | hmm, silly X crashed |
| 17:17:53 | rcam | Yeah it happens |
| 17:18:31 | rcam | Does anyoen know where is says what version to ident as? |
| 17:18:37 | Chestal | luckily, it only was my secondary X server |
| 17:18:52 | Chestal | it answers to the text CLIENTQUERY |
| 17:18:58 | Chestal | src/bzflag/playing.cxx |
| 17:19:08 | rcam | thanks |
| 17:21:32 | rcam | wherere is CLIENTQUERY |
| 17:21:32 | rcam | ? |
| 17:22:05 | | a german gent that enjoys croissant with his pet duck, Tag |
| 17:22:05 | rcam | Chestal ? |
| 17:22:11 | rcam | lol |
| 17:22:17 | | you are a videogame development company that can be reached at http://rcam.ws or the Lead Programmer or the meaning of Rapid Creation of Advanced Media |
| 17:22:17 | rcam | rcam ? |
| 17:22:37 | | tad_ is REDHAT_7.2_ T@D tad and other names. |
| 17:22:37 | rcam | tad_ ? |
| 17:22:51 | rcam | tad__ ? |
| 17:23:07 | Chestal | just searchfor CLIENTQUERY in playing.cxx |
| 17:23:17 | | OK, rcam. |
| 17:23:17 | rcam | ibot, Micky Mouse is a scary and ugly creature. |
| 17:23:21 | Chestal | as I feared: e5 with pre-e5 clients has someproblems |
| 17:23:28 | rcam | Hmm ok. |
| 17:24:14 | rcam | OK but it still does not say what version it is. |
| 17:24:21 | rcam | I want the file that says its E5. |
| 17:25:06 | rcam | I figured it out thanks. |
| 17:25:14 | rcam | It gets it froma another file. |
| 17:35:30 | rcam | texture time :0 |
| 17:37:34 | | you are probably the best bz player ever |
| 17:37:34 | lupinator | lupinator? |
| 17:37:44 | rcam | lol |
| 17:37:46 | lupinator | : ) |
| 17:38:00 | Chestal | tankmann? |
| 17:38:12 | rcam | tankmann ? |
| 17:38:55 | Chestal | just another player |
| 17:39:10 | Chestal | hi Tim |
| 17:39:16 | lupinator | blaster? |
| 17:39:18 | rcam | hey tim |
| 17:39:23 | | tim is stupid |
| 17:39:23 | lupinator | tim? |
| 17:39:23 | Chestal | gerbil? |
| 17:39:27 | rcam | haha |
| 17:39:32 | rcam | THats mean |
| 17:39:36 | | rcam: I forgot tim |
| 17:39:36 | rcam | ibot, forget tim |
| 17:39:44 | Chestal | gerbil is a rat |
| 17:39:51 | | chestal: bugger all, i dunno |
| 17:39:51 | Chestal | ibot, gerbil? |
| 17:39:57 | | OK, Chestal. |
| 17:39:57 | Chestal | ibot: gerbil is a rat |
| 17:40:06 | | OK, rcam. |
| 17:40:06 | rcam | ibot, Tim is the creater of BZFlag |
| 17:40:14 | | Chestal: I forgot tim |
| 17:40:14 | Chestal | ibot: forget tim |
| 17:40:20 | Chestal | crs is the creator |
| 17:40:33 | | crs23 is probably here from time to time too. he's the original author / project lead. |
| 17:40:33 | lupinator | crs23? |
| 17:40:33 | | rcam, I didn't have anything matching 'tim' |
| 17:40:34 | rcam | ibot, forget TIM |
| 17:40:38 | arathorn | who is crs? |
| 17:40:43 | rcam | Chris |
| 17:40:48 | vogon_jeltz | the original author of BZFlag. |
| 17:40:50 | | rcam, I didn't have anything matching 'tim' |
| 17:40:50 | rcam | ibot forget tim |
| 17:40:58 | Chestal | plays as 'Badger' sometimes |
| 17:41:01 | | OK, rcam. |
| 17:41:01 | rcam | ibot, tim is cool |
| 17:41:06 | | i guess tim is cool |
| 17:41:06 | rcam | tim ? |
| 17:41:10 | rcam | lol |
| 17:41:26 | rcam | tim is also the maintainer of BZFlag |
| 17:41:31 | | okay, rcam. |
| 17:41:31 | rcam | ibot, tim is also the maintainer of BZFlag |
| 17:41:37 | | tim is cool or the maintainer of BZFlag |
| 17:41:37 | rcam | tim ? |
| 17:53:45 | rcam | BZFlag are you there? |
| 17:54:24 | | hello, rcam |
| 17:54:24 | rcam | hi |
| 17:54:51 | rcam | brb testing new e6 texture |
| 17:55:00 | Chestal | hi Fant |
| 17:55:08 | FantaZee | ches :) |
| 17:55:23 | FantaZee | excited? |
| 17:55:31 | Chestal | FantaZee: I saw you've already done some training? |
| 17:55:42 | FantaZee | jau |
| 17:55:46 | Chestal | well, I'm not feelign to well, headache etc. |
| 17:56:22 | rcam | Chestal I am sorry man... I hoep you feel better. I knwo how it is I am a bit sick with a small cold too. |
| 17:56:30 | FantaZee | don't drink if you drive |
| 17:56:49 | Chestal | rcam: ah, it's not too bad, only the beginning of a cold or something |
| 17:57:04 | FantaZee | be back in 2 min |
| 17:58:34 | Chestal | hmm, observer hack should go into e6, too I guess |
| 17:58:38 | Chestal | although it's a bad hack |
| 17:58:41 | Chestal | (but useful) |
| 17:58:47 | tad___ | yes |
| 17:58:58 | rcam | Do observer please |
| 17:59:04 | rcam | IT will make E6 A lot better |
| 17:59:16 | rcam | Remember E6 is final. |
| 17:59:33 | rcam | I have the new textures almost done. |
| 17:59:36 | Chestal | well, if we say e6 is final I would really liek to have a few more days |
| 17:59:57 | rcam | WHat do you want to do? THat way we can all pitch in. |
| 18:00:51 | Chestal | well, take the observer patch for example: it's a hack that allows people to join as observers with old clients |
| 18:00:58 | Chestal | but it's kind of ugly |
| 18:01:14 | | privet, akira_ |
| 18:01:14 | akira_ | hello |
| 18:01:27 | akira_ | dobrui djen ibot |
| 18:01:49 | rcam | chestal Make it better then. |
| 18:01:56 | rcam | chestal Make it an option in e6 |
| 18:02:26 | Chestal | rcam: well, I cannot have it both ways, i.e. pretty and workign with odl clients |
| 18:02:38 | Chestal | hi akira |
| 18:02:43 | Chestal | akira: trained today already? |
| 18:02:54 | akira_ | when does it start ? |
| 18:02:58 | akira_ | does it start ? |
| 18:02:59 | rcam | Chestal Just make it pretty then |
| 18:03:00 | Chestal | biggest problem for now is that e5 server and e4 clients +udp does not work |
| 18:03:04 | BZFlag | Chestal: ugly is fine. we'll do it right in 1.8 |
| 18:03:05 | Chestal | akira: 21:00 |
| 18:03:16 | rcam | BZFlag OK |
| 18:03:25 | Chestal | bzflag: you know it uses '@' as first letter currently? |
| 18:03:26 | akira_ | ok, than i have to go to the universitie soon .. whos coming ? |
| 18:03:37 | BZFlag | Chestal: but e5 clients with e5 servers udp works, right? |
| 18:03:41 | Chestal | and observers can die. that coudl be fixed of course, but this imposes new problems |
| 18:03:45 | rcam | BZFlag yes |
| 18:03:45 | Chestal | bzflag: yes |
| 18:03:49 | BZFlag | Chestal: yes, @ seems fine. |
| 18:03:57 | Chestal | akira: I guess everyone except Texas |
| 18:04:21 | BZFlag | Chestal: we could add client support such that @ nicks are invincible. |
| 18:04:27 | Chestal | BZFlag: I'd also liek to have some other features in e6 which currently exist only as patches in my server here |
| 18:04:45 | Chestal | bzfkag: yes, that could be done. Only provlem with that: e6 client with @-callsign on e4 server |
| 18:04:52 | BZFlag | Chestal: hence the call for patches. clean em up and send em in. |
| 18:05:09 | Chestal | BZFlag: yes, yes, they are very experimental and I need some time |
| 18:05:13 | Chestal | BZFlag: at least another day |
| 18:05:29 | akira_ | Chestal: ok, then until later |
| 18:05:33 | rcam | BZFlag what should I Use to take a screenshot in BZFlag with my new texures? |
| 18:05:33 | Chestal | akira: bis dann |
| 18:05:37 | akira_ | jo |
| 18:05:44 | BZFlag | Chestal: I'm not going to worry about that. Let the admins upgrade. course we could stop an @ client from sending shotbegin and movement packets. |
| 18:05:48 | Chestal | BZFLag: did you have a look at the ban-Patch? I woudl liek to have that in e6 |
| 18:06:16 | BZFlag | Chestal: not yet, no. |
| 18:06:21 | Chestal | bzflag: hmm, forbidding to shoot might be a good idea |
| 18:06:41 | BZFlag | get me the serer side and I'll work on the client side. |
| 18:06:48 | Chestal | bzflag: I think it's an enhanced version of what I have in my server, it's very useful against cheaters |
| 18:07:06 | Chestal | so, what do we do about the e5/e4 UDP problem? |
| 18:07:27 | rcam | Chestal is it all before e4 dont work or just e4? |
| 18:07:34 | BZFlag | I'm not worried if e5/e5 works (or really e6/e6) |
| 18:07:38 | Chestal | rcam: everythign <e5 doesn't work |
| 18:07:48 | rcam | o |
| 18:07:53 | Chestal | so we enforce upgrades? |
| 18:08:02 | rcam | Well why not take the e4 network code and replace the e5 code? |
| 18:08:02 | BZFlag | well, encourage. ;-) |
| 18:08:11 | lupinator | if you make the observer clients invincible you can also stop them from sending out certain messages |
| 18:08:25 | BZFlag | there are other issues with <=e4 code. |
| 18:08:28 | Chestal | rcam: problem is: e4 client has a bug which is fixed in e5, but the bug never showed until we changed somethign in e5 server |
| 18:08:37 | rcam | o |
| 18:08:42 | BZFlag | lupinator: that's what I said. |
| 18:08:51 | rcam | Well its still playable together correct? |
| 18:09:21 | Chestal | yes, so, e6 cleints will be observer-aware. Server will still support pre-e6 observers by ignoring messages |
| 18:09:30 | lupinator | oh, right, imissed that line |
| 18:09:36 | BZFlag | Chestal: sounds good. |
| 18:09:38 | rcam | BZFlag tomorrows lauch of E6 is a go as long as we solve this network problem. I have the better texures at the same resolution working now. |
| 18:09:50 | Chestal | rcam: it depends, most servers are UDP only, so peopel with e4 could not play on a e6 udp-only server |
| 18:09:56 | BZFlag | rcam: well get to work on the network problem then. ;-) |
| 18:10:11 | rcam | BZFlag ok |
| 18:10:14 | Chestal | someone should test e6 on a LAN, too |
| 18:10:21 | rcam | o YEAH i WILL |
| 18:10:22 | Chestal | there have been some LAN issues with e4 |
| 18:10:23 | BZFlag | Chestal: agreed. |
| 18:11:13 | Chestal | furthermore: idlekick / idlestats can be easily integrated |
| 18:11:45 | Chestal | client throttling is easy, it should be configurabel though, which is a little work |
| 18:12:01 | Chestal | I need to do some work onlag pings, I want them in |
| 18:12:59 | Chestal | I'd also like changes to the radar, but unless someone else does it,we won't have it. I wil use my e3 radar anyway :-) |
| 18:13:34 | rcam | I will work on making the radar look nicer if youw ant me to. |
| 18:13:34 | tad___ | explane what all client throttling is |
| 18:13:52 | Chestal | tad: it simply limits the rate of update messages sent by the client |
| 18:13:52 | rcam | tad__ It makes 56k work better in lamons terms |
| 18:14:01 | tad___ | ah |
| 18:14:09 | tad___ | better grifics? |
| 18:14:12 | tad___ | grafics? |
| 18:14:15 | rcam | NO |
| 18:14:23 | Chestal | rcam: well, it should be configurabel as it is with 1.8 now |
| 18:14:25 | rcam | Just not as laggie |
| 18:14:29 | tad___ | or textures? |
| 18:14:33 | Chestal | rcam: I don't liek coloured shots and shots as lines for my part |
| 18:14:55 | rcam | Chestal OK I will make the radar in 1.7 liek the 1.8 radar |
| 18:14:56 | Chestal | rcam: I also don't like the new scalign for flags and tanks |
| 18:15:14 | rcam | BZFlag I will redo the radar. |
| 18:15:16 | Chestal | 1.8 isn't perfect, but ok |
| 18:15:19 | rcam | ok |
| 18:15:51 | Chestal | but I am not doing world with jumping, so I cannot say if it's good for these worlds, too |
| 18:15:53 | lupinator | the d9 radar is good imo |
| 18:16:25 | rcam | I will check it out |
| 18:16:42 | tad___ | I like the current radar, why change it? |
| 18:16:47 | scanline | is back (gone 09:27:31) |
| 18:16:52 | Chestal | lupinator: but it has huge fille drectangles for tanks with z positions >0 |
| 18:17:33 | Chestal | tad: because it sucks :-) |
| 18:17:46 | lupinator | why do you know how tanbks with z > 0 look like? |
| 18:18:09 | Chestal | ahm, another idea, mayeb we shoudl change the default colours, i.e. if BZflag has no strogn feeligns about his pale colours :-) |
| 18:18:23 | rcam | I changed those witrh my textures already |
| 18:18:32 | Chestal | lupinator: heh, I've played on boogie once or twice |
| 18:19:36 | Chestal | I'll try to work onthe code later this day, now I'll have to begin to concentrate on the match |
| 18:20:52 | rcam | ok |
| 18:21:32 | tad___ | sometimes tank disappear |
| 18:21:38 | tad___ | do you know why? |
| 18:21:57 | rcam | yes |
| 18:22:02 | tad___ | all I see is the lights |
| 18:22:05 | rcam | Because there is a lag. |
| 18:22:08 | lupinator | nvidia bug |
| 18:22:09 | tad___ | oh? |
| 18:22:18 | tad___ | I have i815 |
| 18:22:20 | rcam | Two possible reasons. |
| 18:22:30 | rcam | Probley a lag. |
| 18:22:34 | rcam | Are you on dialup? |
| 18:22:53 | tad___ | DSL |
| 18:23:01 | tad___ | :) |
| 18:23:02 | rcam | hmm I dont know then |
| 18:23:04 | tad___ | ok |
| 18:26:30 | BeZee | nabend |
| 18:26:49 | lupinator | hi bezee |
| 18:27:22 | BeZee | bin schon ganz nervös :-) |
| 18:27:42 | BZFlag | Chestal: I'm not glued to the current colors. propose some that you like. ;-) |
| 18:28:01 | lupinator | redradar 1.0 0.0 0.0 |
| 18:28:01 | lupinator | greenradar 0.0 1.0 0.0 |
| 18:28:01 | lupinator | blueradar 0.08 0.25 1.0 |
| 18:28:02 | lupinator | purpleradar 1.0 0.0 1.0 |
| 18:28:02 | lupinator | rogueradar 1.0 1.0 0.0 |
| 18:28:28 | lupinator | i'm not quite confident with blue though |
| 18:30:11 | Chestal | hi BeZee |
| 18:30:23 | BeZee | hi ches |
| 18:30:55 | rcam | lupinator what file are those color codes in that i need to change to see those? |
| 18:31:04 | Chestal | BeZee: does your team have a preference regarding team colour? |
| 18:31:23 | BeZee | fanta says green |
| 18:31:34 | Chestal | ok, I'd liek to play as red |
| 18:31:36 | Chestal | rogueradar 1.0 1.0 0.0 |
| 18:31:36 | Chestal | redradar 1,0 0.15 0.15 |
| 18:31:36 | Chestal | greenradar 0.2 0.9 0.2 |
| 18:31:37 | Chestal | blueradar 0.35 0.47 1.0 |
| 18:31:37 | Chestal | purpleradar 1.0 0.4 1.0 |
| 18:31:43 | Chestal | these are mine :-) |
| 18:31:57 | Chestal | a little brighter than lupis |
| 18:32:01 | rcam | what file are those color codes in that i need to change to see those? |
| 18:32:03 | Chestal | but not as pale as Tims |
| 18:32:21 | Chestal | these are fromthe config file, not sure where the defaults are located, probably bzflag.cxx |
| 18:32:29 | rcam | ok |
| 18:32:30 | rcam | thanks |
| 18:33:02 | BZFlag | lupinator: ok, I'll switch to those loud colors again. ;-) |
| 18:33:06 | Chestal | hmm, or maybe somewhere else, I'll tak a look |
| 18:33:32 | BZFlag | Chestal: your's has a , ? |
| 18:33:50 | | i guess , is there a quick fix ? |
| 18:33:50 | Chestal | ,? |
| 18:34:10 | lupinator | you confuse me |
| 18:34:34 | BZFlag | <Chestal> redradar 1,0 0.15 0.15 |
| 18:35:13 | lupinator | ah, that's not visible for moles |
| 18:35:20 | TLZAjax | hi guys |
| 18:35:21 | BZFlag | so let's try each others and come up with ones we like right now. |
| 18:35:27 | FantaZee | hi ajax |
| 18:35:27 | BeZee | hi ajaxZee |
| 18:35:29 | Chestal | hi Ajax |
| 18:35:37 | lupinator | hey ajax |
| 18:35:38 | TLZAjax | ney bezeebrother |
| 18:35:42 | BZFlag | Chestal: try lupinator's. lupinator, try Chestal's etc. |
| 18:35:44 | Chestal | bzflag: oh :-) |
| 18:35:45 | TLZAjax | ni meen hey ofcourse |
| 18:36:09 | Chestal | bzflag: in what fuiel are the default colours? |
| 18:36:32 | TLZAjax | what server do we use tonight? |
| 18:36:49 | Chestal | ducati on a temporary port |
| 18:36:52 | rcam | when you gusy figure out what youw ant the default colros to be tell me and i will change them to what you wantin 1.7 e6 |
| 18:37:07 | Chestal | I'll be team leader of the Moles and referee/admin in one person :-) |
| 18:37:14 | lupinator | redradar 1.0 0.07 0.07 |
| 18:37:23 | TLZAjax | ok temporary port - what is the port? |
| 18:37:46 | Chestal | ajax: don't know, haven't started the server yet, let's say 59987 |
| 18:38:10 | TLZAjax | 59987, ok |
| 18:38:28 | TLZAjax | fanta will texas be here tonight? |
| 18:38:39 | FantaZee | no, next game |
| 18:38:43 | Chestal | we'll play 3:3 for 30 minutes |
| 18:38:46 | TLZAjax | so only 3 of us |
| 18:38:53 | TLZAjax | ok |
| 18:38:54 | rcam | i want to play |
| 18:38:56 | Chestal | if we'll be 4, we are allowed to substitute |
| 18:39:07 | TLZAjax | makes sence |
| 18:39:25 | Chestal | Zees green, moles red |
| 18:39:28 | BeZee | test for fantazee |
| 18:39:31 | TLZAjax | need to get me an extra packet of cigarettes, some soda... |
| 18:39:47 | TLZAjax | green is our collour, greenies as we are |
| 18:39:52 | lupinator | let's saz we play with 4, you with 2 players to keep a limit of 6 players |
| 18:39:55 | Chestal | if we lose, it doesn;t count. If we win, it will be an official match and affect team ratings ;-) |
| 18:40:01 | BeZee | is kurz away |
| 18:40:13 | TLZAjax | lollolololol |
| 18:40:38 | Chestal | no lagging is allowed tonight |
| 18:40:39 | FantaZee | chestal is nervous |
| 18:40:47 | TLZAjax | i will be right back guys - getting my dope for the match |
| 18:40:49 | Chestal | heh, I'll just set lagwarn to 40ms |
| 18:40:59 | TLZAjax | hmm 40ms... |
| 18:41:01 | FantaZee | grr |
| 18:41:07 | BZFlag | src/common/Team.cxx |
| 18:41:11 | TLZAjax | even you wont get to that |
| 18:41:32 | Chestal | if there is a mysterious server crash when the Zees are in the lead 10 seconds before the end of the game, that's just coincidence |
| 18:41:41 | BZFlag | I don't hear any color concensus |
| 18:41:43 | TLZAjax | chestal, did you notice an increase of lag also last week? |
| 18:41:52 | Chestal | TLZAjax: accoridng to lagstats? |
| 18:42:01 | lupinator | ajax: better keep some dope for the tima after the match :-) |
| 18:42:09 | Chestal | bzflag: haven't tried yet, will do after the match |
| 18:42:10 | TLZAjax | thas the strange part - not according to lagstats |
| 18:42:15 | BZFlag | lupinator: ? |
| 18:42:21 | BZFlag | same? |
| 18:42:30 | lupinator | yep |
| 18:42:33 | TLZAjax | lupi i have enough dope to get through a tournament of 3 weeks |
| 18:42:41 | Chestal | ajax: there are a lot of dialup users. I don't knwo why, but lagstats shows low numbers for most of them, about 200-300ms, although lag feels much worse |
| 18:42:43 | BZFlag | k. this is the 24 hour match? ;-) |
| 18:42:55 | Chestal | BZFlag: 30 minutes :-) |
| 18:42:56 | TLZAjax | my point exactly! |
| 18:42:56 | FantaZee | ajax, i'll send you my adress :) |
| 18:43:25 | TLZAjax | will ship the heineken over to you fanta |
| 18:43:35 | FantaZee | 8) |
| 18:43:40 | lupinator | bah |
| 18:43:44 | TLZAjax | must say i use dial up but then in ISDN version |
| 18:43:46 | lupinator | beer in green bottles |
| 18:43:50 | lupinator | shame on you |
| 18:43:56 | TLZAjax | green bottles is export beer |
| 18:43:56 | BeZee | heineken .. iiihhhhh |
| 18:44:05 | TLZAjax | we have brown bottles in holland |
| 18:44:14 | TLZAjax | HEINEKEN RULEZZZZZZ |
| 18:44:21 | TLZAjax | in my head at least... |
| 18:44:46 | TLZAjax | do we start 21:00 exactly? |
| 18:44:52 | FantaZee | whats up with akira and tankman? |
| 18:44:53 | Chestal | we'll try to |
| 18:45:02 | Chestal | akira is on his way to his office for the match |
| 18:45:04 | TLZAjax | or can we do a small exercise before starting? |
| 18:45:39 | Chestal | I'll start the server in a few minutes, it's ok to play before the countdown starts if you like |
| 18:45:51 | TLZAjax | that would be nice |
| 18:45:52 | Chestal | team score and tank/flag positions will be reset automatically |
| 18:46:02 | Chestal | individual scores won't, but they're not important nayway |
| 18:46:04 | TLZAjax | i will be right back (dope story) |
| 18:46:14 | Chestal | tankmann didn't show up yet |
| 18:46:21 | lupinator | brb, switchin to competition machine |
| 18:46:21 | TLZAjax | 3-3 then |
| 18:46:29 | TLZAjax | back in 5 |
| 18:47:43 | TLZAjax | ok |
| 18:47:50 | Chestal | join 59987 and say if you liek the map |
| 18:47:53 | TLZAjax | what was the port nr again? |
| 18:47:55 | TLZAjax | ok |
| 18:48:29 | Chestal | I need another tea |
| 18:49:01 | Pinguin | hello, i have (at least) one Problem ... starting a linux server with 1.7e4 i can not see tanks form a windoze client ... why this ... how to avoid it? |
| 18:49:21 | Chestal | Pinguin: LAN? |
| 18:49:26 | BeZee | ches: map is ok |
| 18:49:38 | Pinguin | Chestal: Yes same subnet ... |
| 18:49:39 | TLZAjax | map is fine by me |
| 18:49:50 | lupinator | waht was the port again? |
| 18:49:55 | TLZAjax | 59987 |
| 18:49:59 | lupinator | thanks |
| 18:50:03 | TLZAjax | sure |
| 18:50:20 | Chestal | Pinguin: hmm, ony option is to run e5 server and clients, or e5 server and e4/e5 clients and tcp |
| 18:50:39 | Pinguin | is udp dead ? |
| 18:51:43 | Chestal | no, there's some confusion with half-disabled multicasting |
| 18:51:57 | Chestal | and e5 server e4 client udp doesn't work because e4 has a bug |
| 18:52:16 | Chestal | or wait for e6, to be released real soon now |
| 18:53:09 | Pinguin | Chestal: Where to get e5 ... its not on sourceforge ... |
| 18:53:27 | Chestal | e5 is source only |
| 18:54:27 | Pinguin | e4 is source only too, isnt it? |
| 18:55:31 | BZFlag | no e4 is out. |
| 18:55:53 | Pinguin | i have seen e4 only as source ... never as rpm ... |
| 18:56:19 | Chestal | maybe noone ever created a rpm |
| 18:56:26 | Chestal | but there is .deb and windows binary at least |
| 18:56:40 | Pinguin | i tried to build rpm with e4 and failed ... |
| 18:57:38 | rcam | brb I am going to test the new panel |
| 18:57:52 | rcam | does nto work |
| 18:57:53 | rcam | I know hwy |
| 18:57:56 | rcam | why* |
| 18:57:56 | rcam | ... |
| 18:58:30 | Pinguin | is going to fire some shots into eneny tanks ... |
| 18:58:58 | BZFlag | I changed the colors in 1.7 cvs. a mix of old, Chestal and lupinator versions. |
| 18:59:24 | akira_ | hoi |
| 18:59:25 | Chestal | akira! |
| 18:59:29 | Chestal | ducati 59987 |
| 18:59:31 | akira_ | wie und wo ? |
| 18:59:32 | akira_ | ok |
| 18:59:32 | Chestal | red |
| 19:00:41 | rcam | now time to play some e6 :0 |
| 19:01:07 | Chestal | ok, any observers may jon ducati 59987 with @... and purple |
| 19:02:13 | rcam | yay it works |
| 19:06:42 | tad___ | can I try it |
| 19:06:43 | tad___ | ? |
| 19:06:46 | tad___ | with e5? |
| 19:09:08 | | MrApathyCream was last seen on #bzflag 11 hours, 58 minutes and 13 seconds ago, saying: rikers doin anutter 1.7, eh? [Sun Apr 14 08:10:55 2002] |
| 19:09:08 | BZFlag | ibot: seen MrApathyCream |
| 19:10:02 | BZFlag | rcam: got a patch for me to review yet? when you do, mail it to the list or directly to me. bbiab |
| 19:16:43 | | RCAM was last seen on #bzflag 14 minutes and 30 seconds ago, saying: yay it works [Sun Apr 14 20:02:13 2002] |
| 19:16:43 | tad___ | ibot, seen RCAM |
| 19:29:40 | scanline | is away: The pseudofood continues... or "I Can't Believe It's Not Nuclear Waste!" |
| 19:36:33 | tad___ | lol |
| 19:48:05 | Chestal | hurrah, we won |
| 19:48:13 | Chestal | 4:1 |
| 19:51:13 | scanline | is back (gone 00:21:33) |
| 19:53:58 | captain_proton | ergh rcam is bothering me |
| 19:54:40 | Chestal | ? |
| 19:54:56 | captain_proton | he's impatient |
| 19:55:12 | captain_proton | it looks to me like he's never done any software releases |
| 19:55:44 | Chestal | I also think the release is a bit rushed |
| 19:55:50 | captain_proton | and he seems -awfully- incompetant for a lead programmer on a linux game |
| 19:55:51 | Chestal | the positive thing is that there is soem activity |
| 19:55:52 | BZFlag | captain_proton: ignore him when he bugs you. ;-) |
| 19:56:17 | captain_proton | BZFlag: lets just say i'm skeptical about this "deal" |
| 19:56:18 | BZFlag | the release will not ship until it's ready. |
| 19:56:26 | tad___ | :) |
| 19:56:36 | | RCAM is a videogame development company that can be reached at http://rcam.ws or the Lead Programmer or the meaning of Rapid Creation of Advanced Media |
| 19:56:36 | tad___ | ibot, RCAM |
| 19:56:44 | | RCAM was last seen on #bzflag 54 minutes and 31 seconds ago, saying: yay it works [Sun Apr 14 20:02:13 2002] |
| 19:56:44 | tad___ | ibot, seen RCAM |
| 19:56:53 | BZFlag | captain_proton: me too at this point. It could be good though. I expect some issues as we get started, so I'm in a wait and see mode now. |
| 19:56:58 | captain_proton | and their website is ugly |
| 19:57:03 | BZFlag | heh. |
| 19:57:06 | captain_proton | =) |
| 19:57:07 | tad___ | lol |
| 19:57:09 | | BZFlag: excuse me? |
| 19:57:09 | BZFlag | ibot: wcam |
| 19:57:13 | | bzflag: i don't know |
| 19:57:13 | BZFlag | ibot: wcam? |
| 19:57:18 | | rcam is probably a videogame development company that can be reached at http://rcam.ws or the Lead Programmer or the meaning of Rapid Creation of Advanced Media |
| 19:57:18 | BZFlag | ibot: rcam? |
| 19:57:20 | BZFlag | oops |
| 19:57:37 | BZFlag | biab |
| 19:58:08 | | okay, tad___. |
| 19:58:08 | tad___ | ibot, RCAM is also a helping to make the 1.8 version of bzflag! |
| 19:58:11 | Chestal | the website could be worse |
| 19:58:25 | | RCAM is, like, a videogame development company that can be reached at http://rcam.ws or the Lead Programmer or the meaning of Rapid Creation of Advanced Media or a helping to make the 1.8 version of bzflag |
| 19:58:25 | tad___ | ibot, RCAM? |
| 19:59:39 | tad___ | bzflag++ |
| 19:59:55 | | bonjour, rcam |
| 19:59:55 | rcam | hi |
| 19:59:56 | | bzflag has karma of 3036873698721 |
| 19:59:56 | tad___ | ibot, karma for bzflag |
| 20:00:10 | rcam | ANyone here? |
| 20:00:10 | tad___ | 1+1 |
| 20:00:12 | tad___ | me |
| 20:00:18 | tad___ | not for long though |
| 20:00:20 | rcam | ANyone else? |
| 20:00:28 | | 1+1 is 3 for large values of 1 |
| 20:00:28 | BZFlag | ibot: 1+1? |
| 20:00:29 | rcam | Where did the others go? |
| 20:00:34 | tad___ | snort... |
| 20:00:46 | | 4002091281 |
| 20:00:46 | tad___ | ibot, 345345636+3656745645? |
| 20:00:48 | tad___ | lol |
| 20:00:53 | rcam | BZFlag want to see my new version? |
| 20:00:57 | rcam | E6? |
| 20:01:02 | tad___ | I want to! |
| 20:01:04 | tad___ | ;) |
| 20:01:06 | BZFlag | send me a patch. |
| 20:01:14 | captain_proton | rcam: send me a patch too please |
| 20:01:16 | rcam | rEMEBER i DONT KNOW HOW TO MAKE A PATCH |
| 20:01:20 | BZFlag | or a debian linux binary |
| 20:01:29 | rcam | Its textures to |
| 20:01:34 | tad___ | send be a windows bin. |
| 20:01:45 | captain_proton | rcam: take two trees, one with the changes |
| 20:01:45 | rcam | lol |
| 20:02:00 | BZFlag | ok, put up the source someplace for download. and LEARN HOW TO MAKE A PATCH. ;-) |
| 20:02:00 | captain_proton | diff -Nru <oldtree> <newtree> > /tmp/patch.diff |
| 20:02:14 | rcam | ok |
| 20:02:19 | rcam | I will make a patch then :) |
| 20:02:38 | tad___ | ;) |
| 20:02:47 | captain_proton | and when you're using cvs its even easier |
| 20:02:52 | tad___ | how do I compile a program on windowz? |
| 20:02:58 | rcam | BZFLag the copyrighst need to be changed to 2002 before tomorrow |
| 20:03:22 | | Since Sun Apr 14 03:23:53 2002, there have been 52 modifications and 60 questions. I have been awake for 17 hours, 39 minutes, 29 seconds this session, and currently reference 5158 factoids. Addressing is in required mode. |
| 20:03:22 | tad___ | status,ibot? |
| 20:04:03 | | i don't know, tad___ |
| 20:04:03 | tad___ | ibot, addressing? |
| 20:04:56 | | tad___: what? |
| 20:04:56 | tad___ | ibot, tell RCAM about BZFL:AG |
| 20:05:33 | tad___ | ibot, tell RCAM about bzflag |
| 20:06:01 | tad___ | ibot, tell bzflag about RCAM |
| 20:06:17 | captain_proton | tad___, stop playing with ibot |
| 20:06:22 | captain_proton | grins |
| 20:06:28 | rcam | lol |
| 20:06:32 | rcam | Patch is alomost done |
| 20:06:36 | tad___ | ibot, tell captain_proton about ibot |
| 20:06:47 | tad___ | says ok |
| 20:06:56 | tad___ | I need to configure it though |
| 20:07:52 | rcam | why did this not work? |
| 20:07:58 | tad___ | ibot, nslookup 208.147.39.133 |
| 20:07:58 | | 208.147.39.133 is adsl-39-133.lou.bluegrass.net |
| 20:08:01 | rcam | diff -Nru /home/rcam/bzflag /home/rcam/CH/bzflag /home/rcam/patch.diff |
| 20:08:01 | tad___ | cool |
| 20:08:29 | tad___ | ibot, traceroute heckamangroup.com |
| 20:08:35 | rcam | anyone know? |
| 20:08:39 | tad___ | not me |
| 20:08:42 | | bzflag is TimRiker or a 3D internet multiplayer multiplatform (linux, irix, win32, etc) opensource opengl Battlezone capture the flag game that you must try at http://BZFlag.org/ debian arm linux contains a version that will run on the ipaq at like 6 fps |
| 20:08:42 | rcam | bzflag ? |
| 20:08:50 | tad___ | lol |
| 20:08:54 | rcam | dang it |
| 20:09:03 | rcam | BZFLAG do you know why? |
| 20:09:31 | | tad___: Something failed in connecting to the NOAA web server. Try again later. |
| 20:09:31 | tad___ | ibot, weather for KKAA |
| 20:09:46 | captain_proton | rcam: diff -Nru /home/rcam/bzflag /home/rcam/CH/bzflag > /home/rcam/patch.diff |
| 20:09:50 | captain_proton | you need the redirect |
| 20:09:52 | rcam | ok |
| 20:10:07 | tad___ | ibot, internic heckamangroup.com |
| 20:10:19 | rcam | its doing the patch yay |
| 20:11:15 | | tad___: wish i knew |
| 20:11:15 | tad___ | ibot, tracert? |
| 20:11:27 | | tad___: excuse me? |
| 20:11:27 | tad___ | ibot, tracert pop.com |
| 20:11:37 | captain_proton | tad___: do it in a private msg |
| 20:11:54 | rcam | captain_proton The patch needs the new textures to |
| 20:12:05 | captain_proton | rcam: if they're in your new tree it'll do them |
| 20:12:38 | tad___ | ok |
| 20:13:17 | BZFlag | captain_proton: does not do binaries by default. |
| 20:13:19 | rcam | captain_proton THey are in my new tree |
| 20:13:28 | rcam | But do I send the new tree along with the patch? |
| 20:13:42 | BZFlag | the new binary files, yes. |
| 20:13:48 | captain_proton | BZFlag: are you sure? |
| 20:13:50 | rcam | arg |
| 20:13:57 | rcam | YOu guys rae confusing me. |
| 20:14:05 | rcam | WHat do I do |
| 20:14:05 | captain_proton | ohh yeah |
| 20:14:10 | rcam | Include the new tree? |
| 20:14:14 | captain_proton | rcam: send the new binary files as well |
| 20:14:23 | rcam | Ok |
| 20:15:17 | rcam | ok I will send to you first BZFLAG |
| 20:16:28 | rcam | to bad only 50 k a second :) |
| 20:16:45 | tad___ | ouch, thats really slow.... |
| 20:16:57 | rcam | its done |
| 20:17:16 | rcam | captain_proton Play it and I will play as well |
| 20:17:22 | rcam | Get on the server with the most people |
| 20:17:25 | rcam | and I will be on it |
| 20:20:06 | captain_proton | hrm |
| 20:20:10 | captain_proton | patch isn't applying cleanly |
| 20:21:04 | captain_proton | starts wondering |
| 20:21:06 | captain_proton | hey! |
| 20:21:08 | captain_proton | pokes BZFlag |
| 20:21:12 | captain_proton | i'm not an author =) |
| 20:22:33 | BZFlag | I'm dcc impaired here. |
| 20:23:50 | akira_ | back |
| 20:25:23 | captain_proton | hrm |
| 20:25:25 | captain_proton | i should leave |
| 20:27:23 | captain_proton | rcam: the new mountains look nice |
| 20:27:24 | BZFlag | yes please do. jk ;-) |
| 20:27:32 | captain_proton | rcam: the new control panel does not |
| 20:28:47 | captain_proton | ergh |
| 20:28:48 | captain_proton | all the blue |
| 20:28:53 | captain_proton | it hurts, it hurts |
| 20:29:18 | BZFlag | rcam: mail it do me or the list? |
| 20:31:50 | captain_proton | rcam: the american flag may be patriotic, but many of our players are not in the US. It also does not work with CTF games |
| 20:32:05 | rcam | hi |
| 20:32:57 | rcam | captain_proton |
| 20:33:15 | rcam | captain_proton WE must do soemthing with the control panel |
| 20:33:19 | captain_proton | rcam: why? |
| 20:33:29 | rcam | captain_proton It does not look to good. |
| 20:33:46 | captain_proton | then i'll commit my HUD |
| 20:33:50 | rcam | captain_proton I will have someone do it again. |
| 20:33:53 | captain_proton | but i have problems with having everything blue |
| 20:33:53 | rcam | Your HUD? |
| 20:34:15 | BZFlag | captain_proton: I thought you lost your HUD code? |
| 20:34:19 | rcam | captain_proton Did yous ee the new flames? |
| 20:34:29 | rcam | you see* |
| 20:34:35 | BZFlag | rcam: mail it do me or the list? |
| 20:34:39 | rcam | ok |
| 20:34:40 | captain_proton | BZFlag: remember? i raised it from the dead over christmas |
| 20:34:44 | BZFlag | rcam: mail it to me or the list? |
| 20:34:44 | captain_proton | rcam: the explosions |
| 20:34:49 | rcam | yes? |
| 20:34:53 | rcam | You like them? |
| 20:34:54 | captain_proton | rcam: i don't like having explosions/missiles blue |
| 20:34:55 | BZFlag | captain_proton: I forgot that. cool. |
| 20:35:04 | rcam | Its ice theamed |
| 20:35:16 | rcam | BZFlag ok |
| 20:35:40 | captain_proton | http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/old/bzfi0004.png <-- screenshot |
| 20:36:57 | tad___ | cool |
| 20:37:00 | captain_proton | now i must be going |
| 20:37:50 | rcam | wait |
| 20:37:50 | BZFlag | captain_proton: send me the HUD patch or put it on SF? |
| 20:37:56 | rcam | please |
| 20:37:57 | captain_proton | BZFlag: i will |
| 20:38:00 | rcam | Hud IS very NICE |
| 20:38:03 | captain_proton | rcam: make it quick |
| 20:38:15 | BZFlag | captain_proton: thanx! |
| 20:38:28 | rcam | i just wanted to add hud |
| 20:38:31 | rcam | Thats all |
| 20:38:32 | rcam | Thanks |
| 20:38:46 | rcam | BZFlag I will call |
| 20:39:05 | rcam | I need to discuss the textures, soforth. |
| 20:39:18 | captain_proton | rcam: about graphics - if you want to make them prettier, do more than just add a blue mask - they will need to be done from the ground up |
| 20:39:29 | rcam | ok |
| 20:39:41 | Chestal | I am confused about the startupinfo thing in 1.7 |
| 20:40:20 | Chestal | I just want to add a -throttle parameter and store it in the config file |
| 20:40:23 | Chestal | maybe have a menu entry, too |
| 20:41:40 | rcam | Chestal I will do it |
| 20:41:46 | rcam | Chestal WHat do you want added? |
| 20:42:21 | Chestal | a parameter for client side throttling,it specifies the maximum number of messages / s |
| 20:42:31 | Chestal | with a special value meaning unlimited maybe |
| 20:42:59 | rcam | In E5 server we defienitly nned to bew able to ban people |
| 20:43:28 | rcam | I have seen 3 people today cheating badly |
| 20:44:19 | BZFlag | does that mean they don't know how to cheat? "cheating badly" ? ;-) |
| 20:44:47 | Chestal | we can include the ban patch post by proton |
| 20:44:52 | Chestal | is uses the STL, though |
| 20:45:17 | Chestal | captain: in what respects does it differ from my version? |
| 20:45:50 | Chestal | hmm, source code formatting of 1.7 is inconsistent, yes? |
| 20:47:20 | rcam | htto://rcam.ws/patch.tar.gz |
| 20:47:25 | rcam | bzflag look up |
| 20:47:29 | akira_ | cu all |
| 20:47:35 | Chestal | bye akira |
| 20:47:42 | rcam | Bzflag Please tell me whenteh HUD patch is ready. |
| 20:47:50 | akira_ | Chestal ... lupi .. bis zum naechsten male |
| 20:48:03 | rcam | AFter HUD is added I will add OS X support |
| 20:48:11 | tad___ | ' |
| 20:49:39 | rcam | i will be back in a few minutes so brb |
| 20:55:43 | BZFlag | Netscape is unable to locate the server rcam.ws |
| 20:55:53 | | hey, rcam |
| 20:55:53 | rcam | hi |
| 20:56:03 | | hey, tad___ |
| 20:56:03 | tad___ | hi |
| 20:56:04 | rcam | type in www.rca,ws |
| 20:56:10 | rcam | www.rcam.ws |
| 20:56:19 | BZFlag | same result. |
| 20:56:23 | rcam | I AM ON IT NOW |
| 20:56:34 | rcam | sorry for the caps |
| 20:57:04 | BZFlag | timr@localhost:~$ host rcam.ws |
| 20:57:04 | BZFlag | Nameserver not responding |
| 20:57:04 | BZFlag | rcam.ws A record not found, try again |
| 20:57:22 | rcam | use opera |
| 20:57:27 | rcam | Or kourntour |
| 20:57:31 | rcam | They work fine. |
| 20:57:51 | Chestal | probably only a slooow nameserver |
| 20:57:53 | BZFlag | and that will help dbs? I don't think so. as you was "host" does not even resolve it |
| 20:57:59 | BZFlag | er dns |
| 20:58:09 | rcam | I get it |
| 20:58:14 | rcam | ANd everyone else does too\ |
| 20:58:17 | rcam | Its just you |
| 20:58:20 | BZFlag | timr@localhost:~$ host rcam.ws ns2.dns.ws |
| 20:58:20 | BZFlag | rcam.ws A record currently not present at ns2.dns.ws |
| 20:58:54 | rcam | Tim it works |
| 20:58:59 | rcam | People goto it all the time |
| 20:59:04 | rcam | I just refreshed and it came up |
| 20:59:06 | BZFlag | ditto for ns3-5 which whois says are your name servers. |
| 20:59:23 | Chestal | ns1.aura.vu works, ns2 does not |
| 20:59:30 | | rcam: sorry... |
| 20:59:30 | rcam | ibot, route http://rcam.ws |
| 20:59:38 | | rcam: excuse me? |
| 20:59:38 | rcam | ibot, resolve http://rcam.ws |
| 20:59:42 | BZFlag | aura.vu is NOT listed in whois |
| 20:59:48 | rcam | Odd |
| 21:00:09 | rcam | BZFlag did the hud patch get uploadeD? |
| 21:00:21 | T-34 | What did " The moles" this evening? |
| 21:00:34 | BZFlag | check the patches section on SF. I don't think so. |
| 21:00:39 | rcam | ok |
| 21:01:14 | Chestal | T-34: we won 4:1, and in a second match (without me) 9:3 |
| 21:01:15 | T-34 | Hi tankers |
| 21:01:23 | Chestal | T-34: it was tough, though |
| 21:01:30 | BZFlag | http://12.219.85.36/patch.tar.gz -> The requested URL /patch.tar.gz was not found on this server |
| 21:01:39 | T-34 | :) |
| 21:02:02 | T-34 | I'm sure it was a nice game |
| 21:02:15 | rcam | http://12.219.85.36/rcam.ws/patch.tar.gz |
| 21:02:15 | T-34 | To bad I couldn't watch :( |
| 21:02:30 | Chestal | T-34: I was quite nervous :-) |
| 21:02:40 | T-34 | Youuuuuuuuu?????????? |
| 21:02:42 | BZFlag | and fix your whois data. ;-) |
| 21:02:50 | T-34 | I can't believe that;) |
| 21:03:00 | BZFlag | The requested URL /rcam.ws/patch.tar.gz was not found on this server. |
| 21:03:04 | Chestal | T-34: I didn't play very well, I mostly helped my team by blocking bullets |
| 21:03:37 | T-34 | This is the hardest thing that can be done in a match |
| 21:03:43 | T-34 | :) |
| 21:03:56 | T-34 | For your team |
| 21:05:24 | T-34 | ok, thx for the information. I leave now to let Isildur to talk |
| 21:05:28 | T-34 | bye all |
| 21:06:21 | rcam | BZFlag I am makingthe final E6 version right now. |
| 21:06:35 | rcam | BZFLag when its done with all stuff I messed up fixed I will tell you. |
| 21:06:51 | rcam | One question though... How do I apply a patch? |
| 21:07:05 | rcam | WHats the command BZFLAG? |
| 21:08:14 | BZFlag | "final E6" ? so it has the hud, mac, all MrApathyCream's patches, the net code fixed etc? |
| 21:08:45 | rcam | Mine vrsion will yes. |
| 21:08:49 | rcam | version. |
| 21:08:57 | rcam | Give me a few hours and everyhting will be perfect. |
| 21:09:09 | BZFlag | cd bzflag;patch -p1 < foo.patch |
| 21:09:17 | rcam | thanks |
| 21:09:35 | vogon_jeltz | my SDL code would be in there if not for that stupid SDL shift-key bug. |
| 21:09:45 | BZFlag | did you fix the download url yet? |
| 21:09:50 | vogon_jeltz | I've still gotta track that one down. |
| 21:11:47 | rcam | no |
| 21:11:53 | rcam | BZFlag I will when I finish with this |
| 21:12:00 | rcam | Because what I did was not working correctly |
| 21:12:12 | rcam | I made a few mistakes |
| 21:19:26 | rcam | BZFlag I am going to apply the jumping flag patch to correct the error in the game. |
| 21:22:53 | rcam | vogon_jeltz You there/ |
| 21:22:54 | rcam | ? |
| 21:27:19 | rcam | (Stripping trailing CRs from patch.) |
| 21:27:19 | rcam | patch: **** File /home/rcam/bzflag is not a regular file -- can't patch |
| 21:27:36 | rcam | Can anyone help me with that? |
| 21:29:56 | lupinator | are you in /home/rcam/bzflag? |
| 21:49:22 | Chestal | captain: you there? |
| 21:49:42 | rcam | yes |
| 21:50:39 | Chestal | you do not look like captain proton |
| 21:51:15 | arathorn | who win on end today? |
| 21:51:24 | Chestal | The Moles, 4:1 |
| 21:51:36 | Chestal | we did a 2nd match (without me), that ended 9:3 |
| 21:52:11 | arathorn | congratulation |
| 21:52:47 | arathorn | heya almo |
| 21:52:51 | nuum | the moles? ouch |
| 21:52:54 | nuum | who beat who? |
| 21:53:32 | Chestal | Moles vs. Zees |
| 21:54:08 | nuum | moles got some top players |
| 21:54:57 | | que tal, almogaver |
| 21:54:57 | almogaver | hi |
| 21:55:21 | | nuum: huh? |
| 21:55:21 | nuum | ibot, don't speak espanol |
| 21:55:31 | | nuum: excuse me? |
| 21:55:31 | nuum | ibot don't speak english |
| 21:55:37 | nuum | thats what i thought |
| 21:55:56 | almogaver | hola ibot :) |
| 21:56:36 | | almogaver: excuse me? |
| 21:56:36 | almogaver | ibot el hispano hablante |
| 22:08:33 | nuum | perdon senor, a la derecha, a la derecha, a la derecha |
| 22:14:15 | almogaver | Chestal: the non-english users need ñ and tildes and so on |
| 22:14:21 | almogaver | 8 bits for now!! |
| 22:14:24 | almogaver | :) |
| 22:15:41 | nuum | how to make the ~n? |
| 22:16:32 | almogaver | nuum: it's in my keyboard at the side of the "l" |
| 22:16:46 | nuum | really. its where the ; should be? |
| 22:16:53 | almogaver | at the side of -> i'm afraid it's incorrect... |
| 22:16:54 | nuum | a la derecha o a la izquierda? |
| 22:17:04 | almogaver | a la derecha (right) |
| 22:17:22 | almogaver | the ; is over the , |
| 22:17:26 | nuum | am i making sense? |
| 22:17:36 | almogaver | zxcvbnm,.- |
| 22:17:39 | nuum | really, thats a funny layout. |
| 22:17:41 | almogaver | ZXCVBNM;:_ |
| 22:17:50 | almogaver | asdfghjklñ |
| 22:17:56 | nuum | wild |
| 22:18:08 | nuum | how about the ll? |
| 22:18:20 | nuum | i suppose its just two l's? |
| 22:18:24 | almogaver | "ll" is not a letter |
| 22:18:28 | rcam | lol |
| 22:18:31 | almogaver | since two years or so |
| 22:18:31 | rcam | there is no 11 |
| 22:18:53 | nuum | no 11? what comes after 10? |
| 22:19:03 | almogaver | you suppose right, its just two l's |
| 22:19:09 | nuum | was it ever a letter? |
| 22:19:11 | rcam | two 11s |
| 22:19:29 | almogaver | "ll" was a letter in spanish |
| 22:19:33 | nuum | 2*11 = 22 |
| 22:19:36 | almogaver | since two years ago or so |
| 22:19:37 | nuum | right ibot? |
| 22:19:44 | | nuum: bugger all, i dunno |
| 22:19:44 | nuum | ibot, am i correct? |
| 22:19:47 | | rcam: huh? |
| 22:19:47 | rcam | ibot die |
| 22:20:03 | nuum | almogaver: but now its not? |
| 22:20:07 | | i heard rcam was a videogame development company that can be reached at http://rcam.ws or the Lead Programmer or the meaning of Rapid Creation of Advanced Media or a helping to make the 1.8 version of bzflag! |
| 22:20:07 | rcam | rcam ? |
| 22:20:22 | nuum | so its up |
| 22:20:38 | almogaver | nuum: no, now not |
| 22:21:11 | almogaver | nuum: the academics (Real Academia de la Lengua Española) decide that it'll become two l's, not another letter |
| 22:21:14 | nuum | so "ll" was a letter in spanish until approximately two years ago, at which point in time its use (as a letter) was discontinued |
| 22:21:40 | almogaver | in the dictionarys, for example |
| 22:21:41 | nuum | ay caramba, academicos! |
| 22:21:51 | almogaver | there was the "ll" letter |
| 22:21:57 | almogaver | now, it isn't |
| 22:21:58 | nuum | para ejamplo, en el dictionario |
| 22:22:17 | nuum | jeezus, its a moneymaking scheme |
| 22:22:41 | nuum | hablamos en espanol? or is my spanish too broken? |
| 22:23:46 | almogaver | se entiende |
| 22:23:51 | | bzflag is TimRiker or a 3D internet multiplayer multiplatform (linux, irix, win32, etc) opensource opengl Battlezone capture the flag game that you must try at http://BZFlag.org/ debian arm linux contains a version that will run on the ipaq at like 6 fps |
| 22:23:51 | Chestal | bzflag? |
| 22:23:55 | | [drunken monkey meq] captain proton |
| 22:23:55 | Chestal | captain_proton? |
| 22:26:03 | Chestal | hmph, where is everyone? |
| 22:28:53 | Chestal | I'm doing major patches here |
| 22:29:03 | nuum | major patches? |
| 22:29:07 | nuum | do it for daddy! |
| 22:29:35 | rcam | Chestal I will take care of it. |
| 22:29:47 | rcam | Chestal WHat patchs are you doing and for what version? |
| 22:29:57 | Chestal | 1.7e5 |
| 22:30:05 | rcam | OK and tomorrow it will be e6 |
| 22:30:05 | Chestal | included most of my bzfs patches |
| 22:30:23 | Chestal | server side throttlign is not in yet, don't know if we want it |
| 22:30:47 | rcam | Um. |
| 22:30:49 | Chestal | client throttlign needs to be configurable |
| 22:30:52 | rcam | OK |
| 22:31:20 | Chestal | and I was goign to ask captain_proton if his ban patch is similar to mine and if we should include it |
| 22:31:32 | rcam | Hes not here :( |
| 22:31:41 | rcam | Just add your ban patch. |
| 22:32:33 | Chestal | I added: clien throttling, idlekick, manual start of timed game, /lagwarn, red/green random CTF, lagping, observer, filtering of non-printable characters in callsigns and twoCTF flag bugfixes |
| 22:32:50 | Chestal | need to test it all |
| 22:33:00 | nuum | well kick my ass chestal, good work |
| 22:33:32 | Chestal | not much new code, most of it is jsut taken from my e3+patches server |
| 22:33:33 | rcam | Good job |
| 22:34:37 | rcam | I am going to add those plus my things which include: New textures, heads up display replacing the panel, jumping bug fix, and more |
| 22:34:48 | rcam | and the RCAM splash screen |
| 22:34:56 | rcam | o and my mac os x port |
| 22:35:05 | rcam | the important thing |
| 22:35:13 | rcam | for mac users |
| 22:35:15 | nuum | new textures would be nice. rcam splash screen wouldn't |
| 22:35:32 | nuum | i will submit my 1.8 patch for better shot display |
| 22:35:47 | rcam | we already agreed on splash screen |
| 22:35:51 | rcam | But I am going to limit it |
| 22:35:58 | rcam | to maybe 2 seconds |
| 22:36:06 | rcam | while things load |
| 22:36:17 | rcam | its the RCAM logo stuff |
| 22:36:45 | nuum | ug. i hope its pretty |
| 22:36:52 | rcam | it will be :) |
| 22:37:08 | nuum | remind me to cut that from my version |
| 22:37:17 | rcam | no :9 |
| 22:37:21 | rcam | Please keep it |
| 22:37:26 | rcam | It wont be that annoying |
| 22:37:42 | nuum | yeah, but i got my own art that i'm gonna work in |
| 22:37:52 | rcam | may i see it? |
| 22:38:02 | rcam | Maybe we will use it for the splash |
| 22:38:30 | nuum | um, i will need to think about that, what size? |
| 22:38:38 | Chestal | what jumping bug fix? |
| 22:38:43 | nuum | i have a few designs for the different teams, but you probably would think them toooooo minimal |
| 22:38:45 | rcam | does not matter |
| 22:39:08 | rcam | Chestal when you get a jumping flag in a jumping world |
| 22:39:13 | nuum | i say rename the teams from "red" to "rat", "green" to "z00", blue to "meq", purple to "vxl", and rogue to "rog" |
| 22:39:20 | rcam | Chestal It will allow you to jump in mid air |
| 22:39:37 | rcam | nuum lol i dought it |
| 22:39:51 | nuum | a double jump? |
| 22:39:56 | rcam | yes' |
| 22:40:04 | nuum | but a triple jump? no? |
| 22:40:05 | Chestal | rcam: ehm, jumping in mid-air was possible? |
| 22:40:10 | Chestal | ah |
| 22:40:11 | Chestal | ok |
| 22:40:16 | Chestal | not a bug fix, but a feature |
| 22:40:22 | rcam | both |
| 22:40:34 | rcam | because jumping flags were not sxupposed to be in jumping worlds anyway |
| 22:40:43 | Chestal | so you have one extra jump? |
| 22:40:49 | rcam | yes |
| 22:40:54 | rcam | if you have the flag |
| 22:41:30 | nuum | thats good cuz jumping is useless in most levels |
| 22:41:34 | nuum | with jumping that is |
| 22:41:42 | scanline | is away: standing in the wet room |
| 22:41:43 | rcam | yes |
| 22:41:44 | nuum | unless you negated everyone elses ability to jump |
| 22:43:10 | rcam | I am going to be playing E6 on my mac tonight :) |
| 22:43:21 | rcam | We will also have a binary for mac with installation |
| 22:43:23 | nuum | rcam: maybe i'll send up some of the ideas later, what size are you thinking? |
| 22:43:37 | nuum | proton and i were gonna design a windowing toolkit for this thing |
| 22:43:40 | rcam | nuum 640x480 would be good |
| 22:44:00 | rcam | nuum tommorow is final for E6 |
| 22:44:00 | nuum | how well will that work in gl? |
| 22:44:11 | rcam | There wont be another 1.7 release |
| 22:44:12 | nuum | well kick my ass i've got a final tomorrow |
| 22:44:20 | nuum | thats ok, i'm gonna work on 1.8 anyway |
| 22:44:24 | rcam | ok |
| 22:44:35 | nuum | but you need a logo tomorrow? |
| 22:44:41 | rcam | we need it tonight |
| 22:44:48 | rcam | A logo for RCAM |
| 22:44:51 | nuum | fires up the gim |
| 22:44:54 | nuum | fires up the gimp |
| 22:45:02 | rcam | IT needs to be for RCAM |
| 22:45:10 | rcam | Its a splash screen |
| 22:45:13 | rcam | Buit it has to be cool |
| 22:45:19 | rcam | We dont want people to take it out |
| 22:45:23 | nuum | ok |
| 22:45:35 | nuum | but am i free to do RCAM how i like? you don't have some set logo |
| 22:45:43 | nuum | i mean, as long as we have RCAM there |
| 22:45:49 | rcam | yes |
| 22:46:02 | rcam | You may do whatever you liek as long as its apparent that is the RCAM splash screen |
| 22:46:07 | nuum | any particular colors? i tend to only use a few |
| 22:46:12 | nuum | RCAM/bzflag? |
| 22:46:17 | rcam | We like ice |
| 22:46:19 | rcam | blue |
| 22:46:26 | rcam | Dont put bzflag on it |
| 22:46:31 | rcam | Its just RCAM |
| 22:46:34 | nuum | hmmm, ice eh |
| 22:46:39 | nuum | just rcam? |
| 22:46:40 | rcam | yes ice |
| 22:46:41 | nuum | hmmmm |
| 22:46:48 | rcam | Maybe blue fire |
| 22:46:51 | rcam | Anything you like |
| 22:46:52 | nuum | we're talking blues, greys, possibly white, blacks |
| 22:46:55 | rcam | have fun |
| 22:46:57 | rcam | Yes |
| 22:46:59 | rcam | Good colors |
| 22:47:11 | nuum | i'll see, like i say, got a final tomorrow, so it might be rushed. |
| 22:47:19 | rcam | tahst ok |
| 22:47:24 | rcam | Just make it look good |
| 22:47:30 | rcam | Start asap and finish asap |
| 22:47:50 | rcam | Go ahead and make a patch so the picture fades in full screen and fades out then goes to the menu |
| 22:48:25 | rcam | I hope num comes back soon |
| 22:53:47 | rcam | Chestal you there? |
| 22:54:10 | Chestal | yes |
| 22:54:28 | rcam | can you please take e5 apply all of your patchs |
| 22:54:33 | rcam | tar it and send it to me via irc? |
| 22:54:40 | rcam | walk ? |
| 22:54:43 | rcam | wal ? |
| 22:54:46 | Chestal | just a few minutes, I'm still testing |
| 22:54:47 | rcam | hmm |
| 22:54:55 | rcam | walid ? |
| 22:54:58 | walid | heya ne servers on :) |
| 22:55:05 | rcam | WHo is this? |
| 22:55:14 | rcam | Chestal ok thanks |
| 22:55:23 | rcam | walid whatnew servers? |
| 22:55:27 | rcam | For 1.8 or 1.7? |
| 22:55:37 | rcam | walid e6 servers? |
| 22:55:43 | walid | I can not get connected to a server list? |
| 22:55:45 | walid | e4 |
| 22:55:50 | rcam | O |
| 22:55:53 | walid | 1.7e4 |
| 22:56:00 | Chestal | walid: do you have to use a proxy for http? |
| 22:56:01 | rcam | Whats your ISP |
| 22:56:02 | rcam | ? |
| 22:56:16 | walid | yes, my isp uses a transparent proxy |
| 22:56:27 | walid | blueyonder.co.uk |
| 22:56:47 | Chestal | well, a transparent proxy should work |
| 22:57:02 | rcam | Chestal do me a favor... ON E6 add manual proxie entering please |
| 22:57:10 | rcam | ok? |
| 22:57:15 | Chestal | bz gets the meta server lsit from http://BZFlag.SourceForge.net/list-server.txt |
| 22:57:15 | walid | yes please :) |
| 22:57:34 | Chestal | rcam: ehm, bz doesn't support proxies |
| 22:57:48 | rcam | It will if you make a patch for it to |
| 22:57:49 | rcam | :0 |
| 22:57:52 | rcam | :) |
| 22:58:22 | Chestal | walid: are you on windows or unix? |
| 22:58:30 | walid | linux |
| 22:59:00 | rcam | Does this page have your patchs Chestal? http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=3248&atid=303248 |
| 22:59:07 | Chestal | does using lynx/wget/w3m/whatever on this URL work (without http_proxy variables set)? |
| 22:59:16 | Chestal | rcam: no |
| 22:59:24 | rcam | where are your patchs listed? |
| 22:59:36 | Chestal | it has some other patches who might be nice to have, though |
| 22:59:39 | Chestal | nowhere |
| 22:59:52 | rcam | I am applying some of them |
| 23:00:02 | rcam | So we wont have any problems |
| 23:00:05 | walid | no |
| 23:00:31 | Chestal | hm, which ones are you applying? |
| 23:00:42 | Chestal | walid: it doesn't? hmm |
| 23:00:58 | rcam | Chestal jump first of all |
| 23:01:04 | Chestal | walid: it should show bzflist://166.70.15.250/, what error do you get? |
| 23:01:40 | walid | actually yes it does |
| 23:01:56 | walid | I thought it should show me something else! |
| 23:01:58 | walid | sorry |
| 23:02:11 | rcam | Team Colored Laser Patch as well chestal |
| 23:02:18 | Chestal | walid: it just points to the list server |
| 23:02:41 | rcam | Color laser is important |
| 23:02:56 | Chestal | walid: bzflag then contacts 166.70.15.250 port 5156 |
| 23:03:13 | Chestal | do you get a timeout? or just an empty list? |
| 23:03:20 | Chestal | coloured laser patch sounds ok |
| 23:03:20 | rcam | Chestal Send your tar soon please so I can apply my patchs to it as well as the other stuff |
| 23:03:29 | walid | ok but it says 0 servers were found!!! |
| 23:03:32 | walid | empty list |
| 23:03:47 | Chestal | does it take long before it shows the empty list? |
| 23:03:51 | walid | yes |
| 23:03:54 | Chestal | hmm |
| 23:04:16 | Chestal | try bzflag -list bzflist://166.70.15.250/ |
| 23:04:35 | walid | a freind gave me this server alpha.res.cmu.edu, but there are none now there :( |
| 23:05:54 | walid | yes that works thx Chestal |
| 23:06:22 | rcam | OK I am going to play bzflag for a few minutes |
| 23:06:27 | rcam | I need that tar form you |
| 23:06:35 | rcam | from you Chestal |
| 23:06:38 | rcam | thanks |
| 23:06:39 | walid | last question! when I play BZFlag how can I switch to other apps like irc! as it seems to block everything else |
| 23:06:52 | scanline | is back (gone 00:25:10) |
| 23:06:55 | rcam | walid No |
| 23:07:01 | rcam | walid It will mess it up |
| 23:07:07 | rcam | walid Its a game not meant for that |
| 23:07:43 | Chestal | walid: I run a 2nd xserver just for bz |
| 23:07:44 | walid | I mean usually I can use my alt+tab key to switch to apps |
| 23:07:48 | Chestal | walid: so I just switch X servers |
| 23:08:04 | walid | ok thats a good idea :) |
| 23:08:09 | walid | thx |
| 23:08:13 | Chestal | walid: support for minimzing bz will probably be in 1.8 |
| 23:08:21 | almogaver | walid: maybe if you redefine the jump key.. |
| 23:08:39 | walid | ok |
| 23:08:57 | rcam | walid 1.7 is not the greatest. But 2.0 aka 1.8 is. |
| 23:09:12 | rcam | walid DOnt get 1.8 though because its not compadible |
| 23:09:17 | walid | can I download that from CVS |
| 23:09:22 | rcam | dont |
| 23:09:24 | walid | oh! |
| 23:09:28 | rcam | Its a new game |
| 23:09:39 | rcam | Not thesame network stuff, slightly moded rules |
| 23:09:40 | walid | when will it be out :) |
| 23:09:45 | rcam | New flags |
| 23:09:55 | rcam | THe date will be announced tomorrow |
| 23:10:08 | walid | woot! can't wait |
| 23:10:14 | rcam | THe OS X version will be out tomorrow |
| 23:10:17 | rcam | Of e6 |
| 23:10:23 | rcam | As well as E6 itself |
| 23:10:30 | rcam | WIth binarys for all OS's |
| 23:10:31 | walid | cool |
| 23:10:33 | rcam | Yep |
| 23:10:43 | rcam | Expect many improvments and a nicer ui |
| 23:10:53 | rcam | ok I am off to play e6 |
| 23:10:58 | rcam | We are stil lworking on it |
| 23:11:03 | rcam | Its not even on CVS yet |
| 23:16:00 | rcam | Chestal Make a patch that will make it say "You have destroyed player" when you kill someone |
| 23:16:21 | rcam | ANd when someone kills you "Player has destryed you." |
| 23:16:27 | rcam | On the center of the screen |
| 23:16:30 | rcam | Liek in Quake 3 |
| 23:16:33 | rcam | like* |
| 23:17:44 | Chestal | hmm, I think that would be too intrusive |
| 23:18:33 | almogaver | Chestal: maybe it'll be ok in the messages box |
| 23:18:38 | almogaver | Chestal: in another color |
| 23:22:15 | Chestal | someone should update the man pages, hmm |
| 23:31:39 | BZFlag | sheesh. |
| 23:31:54 | BZFlag | rcam is making a lot of promises. I have yet to get any code from him. |
| 23:32:12 | Chestal | some problems with e5 here, still testing |
| 23:32:28 | Chestal | to be realistic: no stabel release before Monday evening |
| 23:33:26 | Chestal | I need to go to bed real soon now |
| 23:33:59 | Chestal | someone please join duacti 59100 |
| 23:34:02 | lupinator | btw, i don#t think it is a good idea to add a second jump |
| 23:38:33 | BZFlag | second jump? |
| 23:39:50 | Chestal | jumping flag in jumping world |
| 23:40:52 | SeldonAHE | sorry Chestal |
| 23:40:54 | SeldonAHE | i'll join again |
| 23:41:37 | Chestal | ok |
| 23:44:55 | lupinator | rcam wants to add a second jump (in air) for the jumping flag if i understood that correctly |
| 23:45:52 | SeldonAHE | Chestal: i see the shadow of my flag after drop it |
| 23:46:02 | rcam | hey |
| 23:46:20 | rcam | Chestal whats going on with the tar? |
| 23:46:30 | | a german gent that enjoys croissant with his pet duck, Tag |
| 23:46:30 | rcam | Chestal ? |
| 23:46:38 | rcam | lol |
| 23:46:48 | | Chestal was last seen on #bzflag 5 minutes and 11 seconds ago, saying: ok [Mon Apr 15 00:41:37 2002] |
| 23:46:48 | rcam | ibot, seen Chestal |
| 23:46:54 | | Chestal was last seen on #bzflag 5 minutes and 17 seconds ago, saying: ok [Mon Apr 15 00:41:37 2002] |
| 23:46:54 | rcam | ibot, seen Chestal |
| 23:46:57 | rcam | ok |
| 23:46:59 | lupinator | rcam: you want to add extra jumps for e6, right? |
| 23:47:04 | rcam | yes |
| 23:47:29 | Chestal | rcam: working on small bug fixes |
| 23:47:32 | rcam | Did Chestal give anyonethe tar or say where it was? |
| 23:47:34 | rcam | o ok |
| 23:47:47 | Chestal | rcam: but I say to postpone release at least one day |
| 23:47:54 | nuum | ok |
| 23:47:57 | nuum | you want it |
| 23:47:58 | SeldonAHE | lupinator: yes, i readed it at bzflag dev list |
| 23:47:59 | nuum | you got it |
| 23:48:03 | lupinator | i don't think it is a good idea to change the gameplay in compatible releases |
| 23:48:34 | Chestal | lupi: well, it has been done before with steamroller, although that was a smaller change |
| 23:49:02 | SeldonAHE | what about ricochet flag in ricochet worlds? |
| 23:49:03 | nuum | we're talking about the double jump? |
| 23:49:45 | lupinator | i think the proper way to fix this is to disable those flags |
| 23:49:58 | SeldonAHE | maybe a ricochet flag in a ricochet world |
| 23:50:10 | SeldonAHE | could rebout shot in ur teammates |
| 23:50:15 | lupinator | as well as phantom zone in a world without teleporters |
| 23:50:33 | SeldonAHE | and in urself of course |
| 23:50:39 | nuum | i think that the server should be more intelligent then |
| 23:51:34 | rcam | well... |
| 23:51:41 | nuum | heheh |
| 23:51:51 | rcam | Itwould be a lot of fun with double jump |
| 23:51:55 | rcam | It would chnage the game |
| 23:51:59 | rcam | But make it a lot better. |
| 23:52:07 | rcam | ANd there are nto many maps that have the bug anyway. |
| 23:52:16 | rcam | not* |
| 23:52:22 | nuum | i guess its up to the guy setting up the server |
| 23:52:31 | rcam | no |
| 23:52:40 | rcam | Because we have to do something about it. |
| 23:53:05 | nuum | well they shouldn't be there, but i suppose you could have a special mode |
| 23:53:13 | rcam | We can ethier correct the problem in a new server which no one will use or we can add a fun featue to having a jump flag in a jump world |
| 23:53:29 | nuum | i think that once people saw it they would immediately switch clients |
| 23:53:34 | rcam | yep |
| 23:53:35 | nuum | that would be GOOD |
| 23:53:47 | rcam | yes it wouldbecause then we would have a lot more control |
| 23:53:49 | nuum | because then we don't have to play old cruddy clients that are kicking around |
| 23:54:10 | rcam | nuum Maybe we should have e6 server ask people to upgrade to the newest version |
| 23:54:57 | nuum | i'm sure word would get around, what we need is a better look and menu system to get people to play this thing |
| 23:55:10 | rcam | We haver a betterlook |
| 23:55:11 | rcam | The HUD |
| 23:55:15 | rcam | Heads up display |
| 23:55:17 | rcam | Its great |
| 23:55:19 | nuum | in 1.8? |
| 23:55:22 | rcam | I just dont have the patch yet |
| 23:55:25 | rcam | 1.7 |
| 23:55:34 | nuum | get rid of that lameass bottom console thing |
| 23:55:34 | rcam | 1.8 has no panel |
| 23:55:37 | nuum | what does the HUD look like? |
| 23:55:44 | rcam | Sweet looking... |
| 23:55:47 | nuum | i've got a pretty boss hud in my 1.8 now |
| 23:55:56 | nuum | i should really submit my patches |
| 23:56:00 | rcam | here is the HUD http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/old/bzfi0004.png |
| 23:56:09 | nuum | this is protons... |
| 23:56:21 | rcam | nuum as that HUDD to 1.7 e6! |
| 23:56:53 | lupinator | how does that second jump work? add jumpvel to currnet z speed? |
| 23:57:12 | Chestal | hmm, actualyl I like my consoel at the bottom |
| 23:57:15 | nuum | you should be able to somehow place that second jump |
| 23:57:29 | nuum | Chestal: no man, translucency is where its at |
| 23:57:47 | rcam | yeah |
| 23:57:52 | nuum | but i've got a wicked looking replacement for those square box targeter |
| 23:57:52 | rcam | HUD is what we all want |
| 23:57:57 | rcam | Plus you get more screen |
| 23:58:13 | lupinator | and less performance |
| 23:58:19 | rcam | yep |
| 23:58:26 | nuum | what we really need is a scrollpane so that we can scroll messages in the buffer |
| 23:58:29 | rcam | but it looks better |
| 23:58:41 | Chestal | sorry guys, but I have to go home and to bed now |
| 23:58:46 | nuum | good night |
| 23:58:48 | rcam | wait |
| 23:58:50 | Chestal | rushign this release out the door makes no sense |
| 23:59:01 | rcam | Chestal may I have your patchs please? |
| 23:59:02 | Chestal | this week maybe, but not in a few hours |
| 23:59:06 | rcam | Chestal may I have your patchs please? |
| 23:59:15 | rcam | Chestal Before you goto sleep |
| 23:59:35 | rcam | I am ready for them just send |
| 23:59:55 | Chestal | they're not finished and if holding them back is a way to postpone release, I;ll do that :-) |
