| 00:05:27 | chrono | hello all |
| 00:05:56 | chrono | i just installed bzflag on a gentoo dist, i keep getting booted because i dont have UDP on. where do i turn it on? |
| 00:08:15 | MrApathyCream | in the main menu, choose options, down at the bottom is udp |
| 00:08:33 | MrApathyCream | If you are already playing, just hit escape to get to the menu |
| 00:08:59 | chrono | there we go |
| 00:09:03 | chrono | this game is quite fun |
| 00:09:04 | chrono | thanks |
| 00:09:59 | MrApathyCream | np |
| 00:14:23 | scanline | is back (gone 00:16:29) |
| 00:19:20 | MrApathyCream | Hmm, is anything new happening 'cause of these crs changes? |
| 00:19:25 | MrApathyCream | I don't notice anything |
| 00:21:21 | MrApathyCream | Hmmm, wonder if this is a new chrono..... as opposed to the old chrono/spider/??? |
| 00:26:44 | chrono | this is a new chrono. i havn't had the net for 2 months. |
| 00:42:15 | scanline | is an inadequate Connect Four player |
| 00:52:57 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 00:54:47 | captain_proton | haha scanline |
| 01:04:33 | jacques | ? |
| 01:04:45 | captain_proton | * scanline is an inadequate Connect Four player |
| 01:07:42 | vogon_jeltz | is back (gone 04:48:11) |
| 01:13:17 | MrApathyCream | SDL? |
| 01:13:28 | vogon_jeltz | yes. |
| 01:28:22 | captain_proton | <Louie> Dome |
| 01:28:22 | captain_proton | <Louie> i need 500,000 and at3 |
| 01:28:26 | captain_proton | <Louie> and some pr0n |
| 01:28:31 | captain_proton | <Louie> to distribute on the net |
| 01:28:59 | jpablo | school sucks. |
| 02:19:41 | | captain_proton was last seen on #bzflag 51 minutes and 10 seconds ago, saying: <Louie> to distribute on the net [Thu Apr 11 02:28:31 2002] |
| 02:19:41 | crs23 | ibot, seen captain_proton? |
| 02:19:49 | captain_proton | crs23: i'm awake |
| 02:19:58 | BZFlag | crs23: welcome. gotta run. |
| 02:20:02 | crs23 | hey. i'm about to check in the collision code. |
| 02:20:06 | captain_proton | fun |
| 02:20:30 | crs23 | there's a test app that does a simulation and it almost works |
| 02:20:58 | crs23 | edge/edge contacts where the edges are rotation wrt each other can cause problems though |
| 02:21:19 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 02:21:50 | crs23 | the computed force is apparently incorrect and the object begin to intersect in a very small time step |
| 02:22:06 | crs23 | that makes the simulator take lots of very small time steps :-( |
| 02:22:51 | vogon_jeltz | :/ |
| 02:23:03 | captain_proton | hrm |
| 02:23:06 | captain_proton | i'll have to fix that |
| 02:23:29 | crs23 | well, i'll be working on it but you're welcome to look at it |
| 02:23:36 | vogon_jeltz | btw, the mouse gesture support at optimoz is possibly the l33test feature ever. |
| 02:23:41 | vogon_jeltz | (for Mozilla) |
| 02:24:04 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: geez - just, go off on a random tangent, why don't you |
| 02:24:07 | crs23 | there's a ContactSolver class that does the collision response. you could implement your own physics by subclassing that. |
| 02:24:12 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: yes. |
| 02:24:29 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: that I shall do. |
| 02:24:35 | vogon_jeltz | anyone here like paella? |
| 02:24:35 | crs23 | hrm, cvs seems to be stuck on the commit |
| 02:26:23 | jacques | i love paella |
| 02:26:26 | jacques | mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 02:26:59 | vogon_jeltz | I've never had it. sounds good, though. |
| 02:28:07 | jacques | i love love lo it |
| 02:30:25 | crs23 | captain_proton: okay, src/collsion is checked in. cd there and `make test2' to build a test simulation program. |
| 02:34:45 | captain_proton | building now |
| 02:35:50 | crs23 | you'll want to pipe stderr to /dev/null |
| 02:39:53 | captain_proton | crs23: any way to slow it down? |
| 02:40:49 | crs23 | comment out line 612 in test2.cxx to get it real time or change 0.02 to, say, 0.002. |
| 02:41:55 | crs23 | that's a test case that shows the edge/edge problem. if you change the 20.0 on line 426 to 2.0 the box will spin slower and it should fall off the table properly. |
| 02:42:10 | captain_proton | yeah i noticed the edge problem |
| 02:44:52 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 02:45:04 | captain_proton | this is a cool test program |
| 02:45:09 | crs23 | thanks. |
| 02:45:46 | crs23 | i think the derivative of the edge/edge contact normal may be incorrect, which would cause the problem, but i'm really not sure. |
| 02:47:25 | crs23 | oh, btw, space bar stops/starts the simulation and `d' toggles the depth buffer on the various vectors |
| 02:48:52 | captain_proton | is going to buy wiffle bats |
| 02:49:03 | captain_proton | be back in about 30 mins |
| 02:49:09 | crs23 | cya |
| 03:50:59 | martyr | Tim? |
| 03:52:10 | martyr | Are you there? |
| 03:54:27 | martyr | BZFlag - I have a question. |
| 03:54:38 | captain_proton | does it have to do with bzflag? |
| 03:54:38 | BZFlag | martyr: hey |
| 03:54:41 | BZFlag | welcome. |
| 03:54:48 | BZFlag | captain_proton: no. ;-) |
| 03:54:55 | captain_proton | oh |
| 03:54:56 | captain_proton | well |
| 03:54:57 | captain_proton | fine |
| 03:54:59 | BZFlag | heh |
| 03:55:00 | captain_proton | snubs you all |
| 03:55:07 | | martyr is nothing but an unmuzzled bag of penguin-molesting toxic waste. |
| 03:55:07 | BZFlag | ibot: insult martyr |
| 03:55:11 | BZFlag | heh |
| 03:55:16 | martyr | nice. |
| 03:55:25 | BZFlag | so how far did you get this time? |
| 03:55:47 | martyr | "could not connect to the server: the connection was refused" |
| 03:56:07 | martyr | That was when I tried to get the mail |
| 03:56:20 | | Punkin is nothing but a wayward pile of impertinent craptacular carpet droppings. |
| 03:56:20 | captain_proton | ibot, insult Punkin |
| 03:56:57 | martyr | It didn't ask me for any login passwords... |
| 03:57:11 | BZFlag | martyr pop3/ssl to mail.rikers.org? |
| 03:57:20 | martyr | yup. |
| 03:57:20 | BZFlag | it won't ask till you get connected. |
| 03:57:58 | martyr | I couldn't figure a way to connect manually, from the Mail program. |
| 03:58:10 | BZFlag | just "get mail". |
| 03:58:26 | martyr | That's when I get the above message.. |
| 03:58:29 | BZFlag | let's chat one on one. you have a window labeled BZFlag ? |
| 04:24:51 | chrono | /window swap 4 |
| 04:52:16 | jacques | hi MrApathyCream |
| 04:52:24 | captain_proton | ho hum |
| 04:52:35 | jacques | captain_proton: what's up? |
| 04:52:48 | captain_proton | class ContactSolverBaraffNoFriction : public ContactSolver |
| 04:52:53 | captain_proton | thats beautiful |
| 04:53:55 | jacques | baraff ? |
| 04:54:02 | captain_proton | dunno |
| 04:54:07 | captain_proton | not my code |
| 04:56:42 | MrApathyCream | hey |
| 04:57:15 | captain_proton | heya MrApathyCream |
| 04:57:54 | MrApathyCream | citeseer.nj.nec.com/baraff94fast.html |
| 04:58:28 | captain_proton | ahh i see |
| 05:02:04 | iLLf8d | lo everyone |
| 05:02:11 | iLLf8d | seems theres a few more ppl then normal |
| 09:17:16 | T-34 | Hi tankers |
| 09:48:34 | scanline | is away: ZzZzzz |
| 10:03:15 | Pinguin | Greetings |
| 10:17:08 | bomber | hi pinguin |
| 13:58:32 | Pinguin | Where to get bzedit? I have not found it ... |
| 14:13:03 | Pinguin | Bomber says: Perfect Cell is in Ducati ... the cheater ... remove him ... |
| 14:24:06 | Pinguin | is there any command like lagstats to get someones IP in the game? |
| 14:28:26 | Chestal | no |
| 14:28:39 | Chestal | why would you want someones IP? most are dynamic anyway |
| 14:29:03 | Chestal | I wonder if we could do somethign whcih would be more effective than kicking / temp bans? |
| 14:29:18 | Chestal | maybe a /disable command, which would just block any mssg sent by a cheater |
| 14:29:42 | Chestal | he could do no harm anymore and would spend some time trying to figure it out :-) |
| 14:48:00 | Pinguin | would some fingerprinting of the packets help? TTL and idontknowwhat ... |
| 14:51:57 | Chestal | to identify someone? |
| 14:53:48 | Pinguin | i dont know much about this, but nmap - the scanner - is capable of identifing an OS just by the answers of packets, maybe there is some more information about the system within one can use ??? |
| 14:54:26 | Chestal | no, it cannot be done |
| 14:54:53 | Chestal | the only way is to enforce everyone to identify himself and only allow trusted players |
| 14:55:12 | Chestal | (if you want to solve the cheatign problem basedon id) |
| 14:55:18 | Pinguin | Then the only possibility would be keys, that are provided by a server ... |
| 14:55:31 | Pinguin | Each player has to sign in and get a key ... |
| 14:55:43 | Chestal | yes, that's the idea for 1.8, combined with a karma system |
| 14:56:04 | Chestal | you can read the 'proposal' in CVS doc/karma.txt |
| 14:56:18 | Pinguin | can you tell when it is ready ? |
| 14:56:29 | Chestal | at least several months |
| 14:56:44 | Pinguin | btw: where to find bzedit? havent found yet... |
| 14:56:46 | Chestal | we could use more people |
| 14:56:57 | Chestal | bzedit should be at bzflag on sourceforge |
| 14:57:20 | Pinguin | i downloaded 1.7e4 source ... bzedit wasnt there ... |
| 14:58:08 | Chestal | bzedit and bzflag are two different projects |
| 14:58:26 | Pinguin | sourceforge search: bzedit => not found .... |
| 14:58:47 | Chestal | well, ok. they;re both in the sf project bzflag |
| 14:58:51 | Chestal | but they're distinct in CVS |
| 14:59:12 | Chestal | CVS tree for bzflag: bzflag and bzedit |
| 14:59:26 | Pinguin | CVS ... never used ... i will try ... and RTFM ... |
| 14:59:54 | Chestal | I woudl expect a bzedit tarball somewhere though, I never used bzedit |
| 15:00:19 | Pinguin | how do you make bz worlds? |
| 15:00:46 | Chestal | I don't :-) |
| 15:01:03 | Pinguin | Ok ... i will look around ... thanks so far ... |
| 15:02:19 | Pinguin | Proposal: Kick a player if at least 80% of players vote this way ... hm? |
| 15:06:13 | Chestal | might work, or it might not. But players would need some means to vote, so this can only get in 1.8 |
| 16:21:01 | Pinguin | Little Problem with own server: I open a server (Linux), bomber joins (local network!) he can see me, but i see only his tank on the position he entered in Pause mode ... |
| 16:31:39 | captain_proton | hrm |
| 16:31:52 | captain_proton | what are you specifying for the interface on the bzfs command line? |
| 16:38:28 | Chestal | migh tbe multicasting issues |
| 16:38:42 | Chestal | I think the E4 release stil has problems with it |
| 16:38:55 | captain_proton | i find if i specify the public IP of the box on the command line and then connect through the switch it works fine |
| 16:39:12 | captain_proton | oh - Pinguin - about bzedit - can you DCC? |
| 16:45:19 | scanline | is away: class, brb |
| 17:08:15 | scanline | is back (gone 00:22:55) |
| 17:22:44 | Pinguin | ups some minutes away ... |
| 17:22:57 | Pinguin | bzfs -pf -c -b -mp 40 -ms 1 +r -st 15 -sw 1 -ttl 2 -g |
| 17:23:05 | Pinguin | what is DCC |
| 17:25:14 | Pinguin | is hungry and will go for dinner ... returning in approx... 30min |
| 17:25:43 | Chestal | that's a fast dinner |
| 18:06:21 | Pinguin | beeing back ... evebn faster ... |
| 18:07:18 | captain_proton | Pinguin: what IRC client are you on? |
| 18:13:20 | Pinguin | xchat ... 1.6.3 |
| 18:13:27 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 18:13:29 | captain_proton | lemme try this |
| 18:14:01 | Pinguin | thank you ... |
| 18:14:48 | captain_proton | no problem |
| 18:14:54 | Pinguin | will trie later .... busy .... |
| 18:15:03 | jpablo | just got a idea. |
| 18:15:14 | Pinguin | will tell you if worked ... and if not too ... |
| 18:15:40 | captain_proton | right mouse button rotates |
| 18:15:44 | captain_proton | wheel zooms |
| 18:15:49 | captain_proton | middle button selects + focus |
| 18:16:15 | jpablo | why not setup a mod_virgule page and use that trust metric system to control, so higth rated people can kick cheaters out of servers. |
| 18:16:44 | captain_proton | mod_virgule? |
| 18:17:05 | jpablo | is the engine that power http://www.advogato.org/ |
| 18:17:14 | captain_proton | hum |
| 18:17:28 | captain_proton | we -are- going to use the karma for admin levels |
| 18:18:04 | jpablo | mod_virgule trust metric claims to be resistent to mass attacks. |
| 18:18:04 | Chestal | yes, but we have to figure out a workign karma system first |
| 18:18:09 | Chestal | (and then implement it :-) |
| 18:18:14 | jpablo | http://www.advogato.org/trust-metric.html |
| 18:19:54 | Chestal | hmm, tha tlooks interesting |
| 18:20:26 | Chestal | captain: please read it and summarize for me ;-) |
| 18:21:02 | captain_proton | Chestal: reading now |
| 18:21:28 | BZFlag | is familiar with advogato |
| 18:23:17 | Chestal | needs to find some C++ exercises quickly |
| 18:23:58 | Chestal | BZFlag: you now their trust system? do you think it's useful for BZ? |
| 18:24:47 | BZFlag | it's the closest I've found to what I'd like in BZ, yes. |
| 18:25:28 | Chestal | at first glance it seems to be robust |
| 18:28:58 | captain_proton | can do some oooober stuff with graphs =) |
| 18:41:13 | BZFlag | does xmission.bzflag.org work for everybody? |
| 18:41:45 | captain_proton | lemme try |
| 18:41:49 | Chestal | I can resolve the hostname, didn't try to connect with bz |
| 18:42:14 | Chestal | 700ms pings |
| 18:42:27 | captain_proton | yep |
| 18:42:38 | captain_proton | i can connect fine |
| 18:42:39 | Chestal | no sense trying to play there |
| 18:42:49 | BZFlag | 700ms? wow. |
| 18:42:59 | Chestal | hmm, usng fs=12mb was a good idea |
| 18:43:15 | captain_proton | fs=12mb ?? |
| 18:43:20 | BZFlag | 64 octets from 166.70.135.169: icmp_seq=0 ttl=255 time=0.1 ms |
| 18:43:20 | BZFlag | 64 octets from 166.70.135.169: icmp_seq=1 ttl=255 time=0.0 ms |
| 18:43:41 | BZFlag | it's on multiple (5?) t3s |
| 18:43:44 | Chestal | cptain: cdrecord buffer |
| 18:43:58 | captain_proton | 64 bytes from i.am.a.lowpingbastard.com (166.70.135.169): icmp_seq=0 ttl=237 time=186.345 msec |
| 18:43:58 | captain_proton | 64 bytes from i.am.a.lowpingbastard.com (166.70.135.169): icmp_seq=1 ttl=237 time=172.715 msec |
| 18:44:04 | Chestal | 3 NYC-gw14.USA.net.DTAG.DE (194.25.6.86) 184.475 ms 273.169 ms 184.622 ms |
| 18:44:04 | Chestal | 4 194.25.6.230 (194.25.6.230) 758.057 ms 761.899 ms 612.469 ms |
| 18:44:15 | captain_proton | i.am.a.lowpingbastard.com ? |
| 18:44:17 | Chestal | a 570ms hop |
| 18:44:54 | BZFlag | heh, ok none to germany. ;-) |
| 18:45:13 | BZFlag | duh,, I pinged in my remote shell. =( |
| 18:45:42 | BZFlag | 64 bytes from 166.70.135.169: icmp_seq=1 ttl=246 time=5.4 ms |
| 18:46:03 | Chestal | I get much lower ping times to evrry other target n the US I know |
| 18:46:14 | Chestal | 100-200ms are normal |
| 18:46:37 | Chestal | 188ms from the university |
| 18:46:44 | BZFlag | 10 i.am.a.lowpingbastard.com (166.70.135.169) 7.921 ms 8.961 ms 5.803 ms |
| 18:46:51 | Chestal | sems to have some very bad route to Deutsche Telekom |
| 18:47:00 | BZFlag | yep, looks that way. |
| 18:47:21 | BZFlag | captain_proton: you like the name? ;-) |
| 18:47:28 | Chestal | dreams of a net with routes that are actually determined by technical factors and not $$$ |
| 20:14:55 | scanline | is away: I'm busy |
| 20:15:04 | scanline | is back (gone 00:00:04) |
| 20:32:35 | Pinguin | captain proton: bzedit runs ... how can i take a user defined map into my server? |
| 20:36:42 | almogaver | hi |
| 20:40:41 | almogaver | are u here captain_proton? |
| 21:13:42 | Pinguin | leaving bye |
| 21:29:00 | Zdog | hey peeps any is the admin. for the server games.astercity?? |
| 21:29:12 | Zdog | perfect cell is cheatin really badly |
| 21:30:56 | Chestal | perfect cell is really annoying, I guess he needs to be taught a lesson |
| 21:33:26 | Zdog | yes |
| 21:34:01 | Zdog | he cheated on caps, charand-something, and a few others i forgot, he was jump in and and out of server one day |
| 21:35:45 | fontenot | the moron thinks he is smart |
| 21:35:53 | Chestal | he also visits ducati sevrral times a day |
| 21:35:59 | fontenot | just because he can hack the client |
| 21:36:11 | Chestal | all I can do righ tnow is to give him temp. bans on ducati |
| 21:36:28 | Chestal | I have two other ideas what I can do to annoy him, maybe tomorrow |
| 21:36:36 | fontenot | the other day he had an email address as his callsign and was sating for ppl to "email him if they like his performance" |
| 21:38:00 | fontenot | i wish he would get tired of this and go away |
| 21:38:10 | Zdog | er... this time he say he email his hacked client to his friends, adn they will be joinin him |
| 21:38:25 | Zdog | and quote "i hope that start killing soon" |
| 21:38:44 | Zdog | he did after over 270, pissed everyone off |
| 21:38:46 | fontenot | this is the main problem with bzflag |
| 21:38:57 | fontenot | one person can screw it for everybody |
| 21:39:00 | Chestal | no main problem is lag |
| 21:39:04 | fontenot | and there's NOT A THING we can do about it |
| 21:39:34 | Zdog | no chestal lag we could control to a certain degree with the lag kick thingy |
| 21:39:56 | Chestal | prefect cell is the first cheater which is annoying me personally |
| 21:39:57 | Zdog | but with cheaters there is no stopping unless there is a admin. there |
| 21:40:08 | Chestal | I will implement measures to stop him on ducati |
| 21:40:12 | fontenot | one cheater can totally shot down a game with 20 ppl |
| 21:40:22 | Zdog | of not everyone cheater visits u ;), u server is too er..uncheater like |
| 21:40:28 | fontenot | i saw it happen several times on astercity |
| 21:40:57 | Zdog | not enough skills to be on a 2 shot, no jumping server |
| 21:41:19 | Chestal | I'm thinkign of auto-detectign this specific cheater and crashign his client or something else |
| 21:41:28 | fontenot | the moron is totally unskilled |
| 21:41:56 | fontenot | cool |
| 21:42:19 | fontenot | the moron kept saying he was unkickable, but that was not true :-D |
| 21:42:21 | Chestal | I don't know if it is wise, though. I don't want to get caught in an escalatign battle with him |
| 21:42:30 | fontenot | Chestal: exactly |
| 21:42:32 | Zdog | good pt |
| 21:42:42 | fontenot | so what can we do? |
| 21:42:50 | Zdog | but it aint u fault, he joined ur server |
| 21:43:16 | Chestal | I'll thik of somethign tomorrow if he joins again |
| 21:43:20 | fontenot | with only about 4-5 servers active at any one time, he can screw all of them by jumping in and out |
| 21:43:37 | Chestal | I can't do anythign about the other servers, though |
| 21:43:48 | fontenot | he jumps into one, everyone leaves or stops playing, so he goes to another, repeat |
| 21:43:55 | Zdog | no, these days i am seeing more and more servers |
| 21:44:09 | Zdog | and more active ones |
| 21:44:11 | fontenot | i see tons of servers, onlt 4-5 actually have players |
| 21:44:27 | Zdog | true |
| 21:44:28 | Chestal | ys, the number of public servers jumped up |
| 21:44:33 | Chestal | there used to be less than 10 |
| 21:44:34 | fontenot | BTW, hi Zdog - I saw you on decks yesterday |
| 21:44:43 | Zdog | lol |
| 21:44:51 | Zdog | what was ur callsign?? |
| 21:44:58 | fontenot | I was Super Lucky Cat |
| 21:45:04 | Chestal | the good thing with bzfs is that most of the traffic is upstream |
| 21:45:16 | Chestal | if it were downstream, I might get problems here |
| 21:45:20 | Zdog | heheee, how u like my come back on the individual kill ratio?? |
| 21:45:40 | fontenot | Zdog: i didn't like it. |
| 21:45:51 | fontenot | :-D |
| 21:45:53 | Zdog | :) |
| 21:46:09 | Zdog | but chestal, that is y i wish there are more assisant admin. |
| 21:46:29 | Zdog | but i kick ppl out when cap is not in his server |
| 21:46:46 | fontenot | I wonder if the moron will be able to really make himself unkickable. That would suck. |
| 21:46:46 | Chestal | zdog: yes, msot server do not have enough admins |
| 21:46:54 | Chestal | ducati has a fistful, I might extend the number a little |
| 21:47:04 | Zdog | lol |
| 21:47:16 | Chestal | the only way he can try to esscape kicking is to use a name which is hard to type |
| 21:47:18 | Zdog | unkickable?? |
| 21:47:39 | vogon_jeltz | which will be made moot if we implement player numbers. |
| 21:47:39 | Zdog | no, but if a name has a lot of spaces it is really hard to kick |
| 21:48:11 | Chestal | vogon: yep, it coudl be doen with 1.7 already |
| 21:48:11 | vogon_jeltz | but if we switch to all-UDP, he can escape it by ignoring MsgSuperKill, which also (assuming we don't write in error-checking) would kill all other connected clients. :P |
| 21:48:23 | fontenot | Chestal: arg I didn't know you had to type the name to kick - that explains a lot of cheater nicks |
| 21:48:59 | Chestal | vogon: the server wouldn't accept any packets from him, though |
| 21:49:07 | vogon_jeltz | Chestal: ahh, OK. |
| 21:49:10 | fontenot | like the long numerical names they use and all the spaces |
| 21:49:16 | vogon_jeltz | Chestal: that's what I meant by error-checking. ;) |
| 21:49:31 | fontenot | admin should be able to "point and kick"(TM) |
| 21:49:31 | Chestal | zdog: you're not yet in a team? |
| 21:49:52 | Zdog | for??? |
| 21:50:03 | Zdog | for the CTF league?? no |
| 21:50:11 | fontenot | I'd like to mod my client to ignore any packets from him, but that would be chaeting :-( |
| 21:51:05 | Chestal | he is always using super-fast shots? |
| 21:51:20 | Zdog | yes and in omi directional |
| 21:51:26 | fontenot | he has been changing his client quite a bit lately |
| 21:51:39 | Zdog | all different cheats |
| 21:51:40 | Chestal | I coudl easily detect the shots in the server |
| 21:51:41 | fontenot | the star patter shots started night before last |
| 21:52:05 | Chestal | 3 easy counter-measures come to my mind: 1) temp. auto-ban 2) auto-ignore 3) auto-crash |
| 21:52:07 | fontenot | at first he was always xxx-1 score (only one death) but he changed that too |
| 21:52:32 | Chestal | 3) is the most tempting, but 2) migh tbe more effective |
| 21:52:33 | Zdog | but the thing is he could change nicks |
| 21:52:44 | fontenot | I like 2 |
| 21:52:53 | fontenot | that would be pretty frustrating for him i bet |
| 21:53:15 | Zdog | :) |
| 21:53:27 | Chestal | if successfull, he'll probably just avoid ducati and cheat on other servers |
| 21:53:31 | fontenot | he does not seem to have mastered auto-flag cheat yet - he still runs around getting flags |
| 21:53:47 | Zdog | hey chestal stop being selfish |
| 21:53:51 | setuid | anyone have ops on chardonnay |
| 21:53:56 | setuid | er, admin password |
| 21:54:02 | Chestal | Zdog: heh, I cannot do anythign about the other servers |
| 21:54:07 | Zdog | lol |
| 21:54:13 | fontenot | i know |
| 21:54:16 | Zdog | perfect cell is cheat ing i gues |
| 21:54:19 | setuid | we have a royal cheater there now, unhittable, invisible, changes weapons on demand, permanent "global kill" |
| 21:54:28 | Chestal | setuid: I guess noone ever succeeded in contactign chardonnay admins |
| 21:54:30 | Zdog | i know just kidding |
| 21:54:33 | setuid | lovely |
| 21:54:35 | fontenot | make a killer bot targetted at him |
| 21:54:47 | Zdog | bot are stupid |
| 21:54:51 | fontenot | I would donate machine time to run it |
| 21:54:54 | Zdog | really stupid |
| 21:54:55 | fontenot | not a real bot |
| 21:55:03 | fontenot | it would be cheating too |
| 21:55:12 | fontenot | boits are only stupid when they have tplay by the rules |
| 21:55:28 | Chestal | bots can be stupid, play by the rules and still be very good :-) |
| 21:55:40 | fontenot | it would just be a client that targetted him and sent packets to annoy him |
| 21:55:48 | fontenot | my point is that |
| 21:56:00 | fontenot | a client targetted at cheater could help other servers |
| 21:56:06 | fontenot | without them having to change their code |
| 21:56:26 | fontenot | I have been thinking about code for auto-detecting cheaters |
| 21:56:47 | Zdog | when u are done i am sure everyone is happy |
| 21:56:54 | Zdog | hehee i know i will be |
| 21:57:14 | fontenot | I wonder if the cheater setuid reported is same moron |
| 21:57:23 | Zdog | hold i check |
| 21:57:39 | setuid | 'artist known as something or other' |
| 21:57:40 | setuid | I forgot now |
| 21:57:42 | fontenot | if so he now has auto-flag cheat :-( |
| 21:57:54 | fontenot | yeah perfect cell considers himself an artist/performer |
| 21:57:56 | setuid | nthere should be an instant auto-high-speed GM + kill bot launched on cheaters |
| 21:58:09 | setuid | or... |
| 21:58:16 | Zdog | everyone left |
| 21:58:25 | fontenot | how about enclosing them in an impenetrable bubble ? :-D |
| 21:58:30 | Zdog | artist known as perfect cel |
| 21:58:31 | setuid | another team color that cheaters are marked as, like 'brown' and then geno brown with a color-changing auto-kill bot |
| 21:58:41 | setuid | how about a bubble with ricochet inside |
| 21:58:43 | setuid | =) |
| 21:58:46 | fontenot | LOL |
| 21:58:54 | setuid | how about a magnet flag |
| 21:59:02 | setuid | shooooooooop! they stick to the walls |
| 21:59:07 | fontenot | BRB |
| 21:59:30 | Zdog | no geno wont work |
| 21:59:48 | Zdog | i try it before |
| 22:00:03 | Zdog | all teammates die except for the cheater |
| 22:00:59 | setuid | he's got a warping bullet |
| 22:01:06 | setuid | the second you rejoin, you're hit wiht genocide |
| 22:01:21 | setuid | every single tank is hit at the same time with geno on join |
| 22:02:17 | Zdog | hey Chestal |
| 22:02:33 | Zdog | are u in charge of the passwords on the CTF league?? |
| 22:02:45 | Chestal | yes |
| 22:02:46 | Zdog | if u are...could u tell me what is my password |
| 22:02:54 | Zdog | Zganster@aol.com |
| 22:02:58 | Chestal | don't remmebers yours? |
| 22:03:07 | Zdog | i thought it was the same |
| 22:03:14 | Zdog | but i just try it, it wont let me in |
| 22:03:24 | Chestal | you have to click n login, do not press enter after typing password |
| 22:03:49 | Zdog | ahhhhhhhh |
| 22:03:57 | Zdog | damn |
| 22:03:59 | Chestal | it's a bug, I hope Valcohe can fix it next week |
| 22:05:41 | Zdog | the moles??? |
| 22:05:55 | Chestal | yes, that's my team :-) |
| 22:05:59 | Zdog | lol |
| 22:06:09 | setuid | can someone kick this idiot |
| 22:06:20 | Zdog | i want to join a team, but my dial up connection sucks |
| 22:06:26 | Zdog | so no team for me |
| 22:06:38 | Zdog | what server?? |
| 22:06:43 | Zdog | say it is caps |
| 22:06:48 | Chestal | hmm, dial-up really sucks |
| 22:06:55 | Zdog | i really want to kick him |
| 22:07:32 | setuid | we should be sharing a db of domains and IPs, and just drop them with iptables |
| 22:07:48 | Zdog | yea, but if the tournament is in around like 9:30am to 12:00 i could have cable |
| 22:07:59 | Chestal | zdog: what timezone? |
| 22:08:03 | Zdog | setuid: what server |
| 22:08:21 | Zdog | EAStern time? |
| 22:08:31 | Zdog | yes eastern time |
| 22:09:04 | Chestal | zdog: well, we'll proably start by indivudual challenges, so time/date depends on the teams who want to play |
| 22:09:35 | Chestal | for US<->Europe battles, it will probably be mornign or early afternoon US time |
| 22:10:07 | Zdog | yes |
| 22:10:18 | Zdog | then no one could say i win b/c of lag |
| 22:10:33 | Zdog | it is becoming a very annoying and old excuses |
| 22:10:48 | Chestal | well, sometimes it's not only an excuse |
| 22:11:02 | Zdog | hey 300ish is not laggy |
| 22:11:06 | Chestal | it is annoying to play against laggy tanks |
| 22:11:16 | Chestal | everything above 100ms is IMHO :-) |
| 22:11:22 | Zdog | lol |
| 22:11:45 | Chestal | when you're used to play with low lag, you can easily feel who is laggy or not just by shootign at them |
| 22:11:50 | Zdog | true, that is y i am envious of cap with a lag of 10 or less |
| 22:12:11 | Zdog | yea, b/c lower lags are easier to kill |
| 22:12:18 | Chestal | but it's very irritiating, if you have most players with low lag and then some lagyg ones |
| 22:12:48 | Chestal | you shot at them, are sure that they're dead, turn in antother directon, onkly to be suprised that they're still alive and shootign at you |
| 22:13:13 | Zdog | true |
| 22:15:12 | Zdog | do anyone know www.digitialelicpise's admin?? |
| 22:15:19 | setuid | I love the one where you shoot at a tank, it goes through, and then they "pop" above and behind you |
| 22:16:03 | Zdog | they might have OO, i used it to great effect on caps (when there was flags) |
| 22:18:23 | Zdog | later |
| 22:19:29 | fontenot | does anyone know the IP block of the cheater? |
| 22:20:02 | vogon_jeltz | you can get it by running Ethereal on the server. |
| 22:20:11 | setuid | run the server in debug |
| 22:20:15 | setuid | or use /iptrace |
| 22:20:39 | Chestal | he is using T-DSL, dynamic IPs, cannot be blocked |
| 22:20:50 | setuid | he can be blocked |
| 22:20:52 | vogon_jeltz | you can block his netblock. |
| 22:20:55 | setuid | exactly |
| 22:21:00 | Chestal | well, and you block hundreds of other people with him |
| 22:21:03 | setuid | or, just block UDP from his domain |
| 22:21:11 | Chestal | e.g. lupinator, tankmann and mayself |
| 22:21:14 | vogon_jeltz | then tell them that it's all the fault of one moron who spoiled it for his whole ISP. |
| 22:21:17 | vogon_jeltz | ahh. |
| 22:21:18 | setuid | chances are nobody in his netblock is using UDP on port 5155 |
| 22:21:26 | setuid | so just block that |
| 22:22:01 | Chestal | hmm, I saw him using at least 2 totally different IPs, one beginnin gwith 216. and anothe with 80. |
| 22:22:15 | fontenot | :-( |
| 22:22:18 | Chestal | I don't know how the Telekom assigns IPs to DSL users |
| 22:22:26 | fontenot | and once his friends start playing... |
| 22:22:43 | fontenot | i guess we need a more general method |
| 22:23:52 | setuid | I just told you how |
| 22:24:13 | setuid | iptables -A INPUT -p udp --dport 5155 -s his.netblock.domain.ip -j DROP |
| 22:24:25 | fontenot | :-D |
| 22:24:33 | Chestal | that only work sif you can identify a block of IP numbers |
| 22:25:06 | BZFlag | get hacking on a karma scheme. ;-) |
| 22:25:49 | Chestal | ok, everyone works on coding 1.8 now 24 hours/day, so we can release it in one week ;-) |
| 22:26:53 | setuid | we need a group-vote-to-kick scheme |
| 22:27:06 | setuid | like if 4 or more people vote to kick, you're booted for $DELAY minutes |
| 22:29:54 | fontenot | does anyone know cheater's physical location? |
| 22:30:16 | Chestal | probably somewhere in Germany |
| 22:32:57 | fontenot | ah |
| 22:33:41 | setuid | he's on t-online |
| 22:33:47 | setuid | said he's using a "backdoor proxy" |
| 22:35:46 | fontenot | he says a lot of things |
| 22:35:52 | fontenot | like that he's unkickable |
| 22:35:57 | fontenot | that was clearly false |
| 22:36:14 | fontenot | he just a little moronic shit |
| 22:37:26 | Chestal | captsin! |
| 22:37:30 | Chestal | eh, captain |
| 22:37:54 | setuid | now he has a fire-in-all-directions-at-super-speed weapon, loaded with geno |
| 22:40:43 | fontenot | he only hit me once with that stupid star pattern |
| 22:40:58 | fontenot | ok gota go to work - later |
| 22:41:05 | fontenot | goes idle. |
| 22:47:49 | setuid | we have another one... 'subsolar' |
| 22:48:01 | setuid | on astercity |
| 22:52:39 | scanline | is away: Not quite food, but keeps you alive. Maintain 1:1 meat to hot sauce ratio. |
| 22:53:25 | BZFlag | with karma, I'm thinking when there are more than x (say 4) players that the max karma person has kick privs |
| 23:03:45 | jacques_gone | sigh |
| 23:04:02 | Chestal | what's troubling you? |
| 23:04:08 | jacques | cheaters |
| 23:04:53 | jacques | astercity is actually kinda col until they show up |
| 23:07:22 | scanline | is back (gone 00:14:43) |
| 23:07:45 | jacques | of course I prefer decks but it's harder to find players there at night |
| 23:11:52 | jacques | hi lionel_hutz - I saw you last night |
| 23:12:04 | jacques | dont remember server tho - there were only about 4 ppl there |
| 23:12:04 | lionel_hutz | hey jacques |
| 23:12:19 | lionel_hutz | ran into a nasty cheater today |
| 23:12:28 | jacques | i think you killed me with SR - I was surprised :-) |
| 23:12:44 | lionel_hutz | i get lucky sometime :) |
| 23:12:49 | jacques | I had SW |
| 23:12:57 | jacques | it was cool |
| 23:12:58 | lionel_hutz | ha |
| 23:13:02 | setuid | fucking cheaters |
| 23:13:11 | setuid | they're all over astercity now |
| 23:13:23 | lionel_hutz | someguy cel |
| 23:13:24 | jacques | lionel_hutz: you might have seen same cheater that's been making trouble lately |
| 23:13:40 | lionel_hutz | perfect cel or something |
| 23:13:53 | jacques | that's the one |
| 23:13:55 | lionel_hutz | he's ruining every map he joins |
| 23:13:59 | jacques | tho he changes names sometimes |
| 23:14:01 | lionel_hutz | like why do that? |
| 23:14:07 | lionel_hutz | yeah |
| 23:14:07 | jacques | very ytue |
| 23:14:10 | jacques | truw |
| 23:14:11 | jacques | true |
| 23:14:20 | lionel_hutz | i mean what's the gratification? |
| 23:14:25 | jacques | to annoy ppl |
| 23:14:33 | jacques | to piss them off and ruin their fun |
| 23:14:34 | lionel_hutz | it works! |
| 23:14:41 | jacques | :-( |
| 23:14:51 | lionel_hutz | hey do you guys ever use bzedit? |
| 23:15:03 | jacques | i keep meaning to try it but haven yet |
| 23:15:09 | lionel_hutz | or bzworld |
| 23:15:20 | lionel_hutz | i cant get it to compile :( |
| 23:15:24 | jacques | I think you want the latest from captain_proton instead of cvs - that's what I heard at least |
| 23:15:33 | lionel_hutz | oh? |
| 23:15:40 | lionel_hutz | i got mine cvs |
| 23:16:05 | lionel_hutz | some nice new maps out there lately |
| 23:16:13 | lionel_hutz | love the latest madcity |
| 23:16:16 | jacques | me too, but I was told that captain_proton has a much later version that he will dcc to you if asked nicely |
| 23:16:54 | lionel_hutz | ahhh...cool |
| 23:17:28 | lionel_hutz | i have been trying 2 weeks now fighting the configure script and my ignorance at the same time |
| 23:17:39 | | captain_proton was last seen on #bzflag 4 hours, 33 minutes and 24 seconds ago, saying: i.am.a.lowpingbastard.com ? [Thu Apr 11 19:44:15 2002] |
| 23:17:39 | jacques | ibot: seen captain_proton |
| 23:17:59 | Chestal | I'm off to bed, cu |
| 23:19:32 | MrApathyCream | BZFlag: Kind of late to ask, but why do clients reconnect on a second port? |
| 23:21:15 | lionel_hutz | well, i.m going to jump into a game, see you guys |
| 23:21:25 | jacques | Chestal: later |
| 23:40:26 | setuid | we have a cheater on dragon.stack.nl |
| 23:40:31 | setuid | "Press F10 for Fun" |
| 23:41:59 | jacques | setuid:does it look like same person? |
| 23:48:11 | jacques | setuid: what is that cheater doing? |
| 23:49:49 | setuid | no |
| 23:49:59 | setuid | it was a lame unhittable GM onjoin hack |
| 23:50:27 | jacques | ah :-\ |
| 23:50:29 | jacques | :-( |
| 23:52:08 | BZFlag | MrApathyCream: legacy. they don't in 1.8 |
| 23:52:53 | BZFlag | I had nothing to do with the reconnect, blame crs. ;-) |
| 23:55:56 | jacques | is reconnect what allows a server to restart and ppl dont lose their scores ? |
| 23:59:10 | BZFlag | no. reconnect is just lame. the old code used server ip and server port number as the player id |
| 23:59:21 | BZFlag | so every player had to talk to the server on a different port. |