| 00:12:57 | almogaver | hi |
| 00:35:27 | scanline | is away: got work to do |
| 01:02:34 | captain_proton | iLL: X incident? |
| 01:46:29 | iLL | I brb gotta switch back to my analog mouse |
| 04:04:43 | vogon_jeltz | is back (gone 04:21:34) |
| 04:04:58 | captain_proton | wb vogon_jeltz |
| 04:05:12 | vogon_jeltz | hey. |
| 04:25:35 | captain_proton | hallo Chestal |
| 05:22:24 | captain_proton | Chestal: ducati ctf down? |
| 05:38:25 | Chestal | the rats are multiplying |
| 05:41:18 | Chestal | hmm, ctf crashed |
| 05:58:17 | captain_proton | You have no new BZmessages |
| 05:58:18 | captain_proton | =( |
| 07:03:51 | akira_ | moin |
| 07:09:06 | captain_proton | iLLf8d: what did you say earlier about X incident ? |
| 07:10:28 | iLLf8d | oh I hear things from people about what went on between the devels and others |
| 07:11:05 | iLLf8d | dunno what happened or didn't cause I wasn't around but it does seem like some of the old players are almost never seen anymore |
| 07:12:28 | captain_proton | is VERY confused |
| 07:12:43 | captain_proton | what the hell are you talking about? |
| 07:12:46 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 07:13:05 | iLLf8d | I was reminiscing with someone last night and a ton of names came up |
| 07:13:15 | iLLf8d | people I had completely forgotten about |
| 07:13:22 | iLLf8d | you never see them on anymore |
| 07:13:54 | iLLf8d | nothing of any consequence |
| 07:29:18 | captain_proton | damn |
| 07:29:22 | captain_proton | its like january all over again |
| 07:29:34 | captain_proton | broken madcity and chardonnay are the only populated servers |
| 07:29:35 | captain_proton | what crap |
| 07:44:01 | Aldebaran | HI, anyone very familier with webmin? |
| 07:44:56 | iLL_BZFlag | nope sorry |
| 07:45:11 | captain_proton | you guys up for some ducati-style? |
| 07:45:46 | iLL_BZFlag | ehh maybe later |
| 07:45:48 | Aldebaran | I am busy upgrading from mandrake 8.1 to 8.2 |
| 07:45:49 | iLL_BZFlag | got something to do |
| 07:46:20 | captain_proton | wahhh |
| 07:46:23 | captain_proton | is bored to tears |
| 08:13:01 | scanline | is back (gone 07:37:34) |
| 10:21:48 | T-34 | Hi all |
| 10:26:10 | Chestal | hi T-34 |
| 10:43:52 | Chestal | a-z: sind im Netz :-) |
| 10:43:53 | Chestal | oops |
| 10:50:23 | Chestal | was hat das Bauteilelager fuer Oeffnungszeiten? |
| 10:50:59 | Chestal | oops |
| 13:23:28 | T-34 | Bye |
| 13:23:43 | T-34 | CU soon, I hope ! |
| 13:27:36 | Chestal | oh, yet another single-player team |
| 13:31:09 | setuid | there's a cheater on Chardonany |
| 13:31:12 | setuid | Isamu |
| 13:31:19 | setuid | anyone know if the admin is around? |
| 13:31:33 | Chestal | we can't do anything about it, I don't know who the admin is |
| 13:31:56 | Chestal | AFAIK the admin has never reacted to complains about cheaters yet |
| 13:33:23 | setuid | *sigh* |
| 13:33:28 | setuid | ther'es been a lot lately |
| 13:34:55 | setuid | it's increasing more and more every day, always one or two cheaters on at the same time on most servers now |
| 13:37:09 | setuid | there's one on turkey.moongroup.com also now |
| 13:37:15 | setuid | that numeric asshole agian |
| 13:37:59 | Chestal | that is one I have seen, too |
| 13:45:41 | setuid | he's on there now, killing people... can't we just iptables -j DROP his ip from all the servers? |
| 13:46:01 | setuid | Isamu was just on turkey, got about 20 points, wasn't touched by anyone then left |
| 13:46:12 | Chestal | well, first you'd have to make sure he's got a static ip |
| 13:46:24 | Chestal | and then there are a lot of different server admins, most of them are unknown |
| 13:47:13 | setuid | he's selectivly disappearing and appearing on other sides of the screen, at very very very high speed |
| 13:47:35 | setuid | I know the guy who runs moongroup, I set up the jpilot cvs repo on that machine.. |
| 13:48:03 | Chestal | server admins should just give the admin password to some regulars and most of th eproblems are solved |
| 14:10:40 | _setuid | why am I being pounded on port 5155 from brac3-42-dhcp.resnet.Colorado.EDU? |
| 14:10:51 | _setuid | I just rebooted my box, and my data light is solid |
| 14:10:57 | _setuid | and there are no bzflag instances running |
| 14:13:11 | scanline | colorado.edu? |
| 14:13:19 | scanline | sounds like captain_proton... |
| 14:13:33 | _setuid | why is he pounding me with udp traffic? |
| 14:14:26 | vogon_jeltz | is away: work!$&!%@#&!%&!$% |
| 14:14:36 | vogon_jeltz | is back (gone 00:00:02) |
| 14:33:04 | vogon_jeltz | well, I'm getting off my ass and finishing the SDL stuff. |
| 14:44:41 | iLLf8d | hey anyone know what dimensions a pyramid needs to have to be substantial? |
| 14:44:43 | iLLf8d | 4x4x8 you can pass through |
| 14:49:21 | iLLf8d | HOLY SHIT |
| 14:49:29 | iLLf8d | theres 28 tanks on caps server |
| 14:49:53 | _setuid | yeah, thank you slashdot |
| 14:50:12 | _setuid | ...expect the cheat ratio to jump by a large amount |
| 14:50:24 | vogon_jeltz | yeah, but it's already approaching infinity. |
| 14:54:17 | _setuid | trolls dice |
| 15:00:24 | iLLf8d | HOLY SHITTTTTTTT |
| 15:00:25 | iLLf8d | nheh |
| 15:20:35 | scanline | is away: powdered eggs, salt, and cranberry juice.. or something |
| 15:46:00 | scanline | is back (gone 00:25:25) |
| 16:06:58 | irc__ | ROFLMAO |
| 16:07:17 | irc__ | I just got 158 kills in sheesh must be like an hour |
| 16:07:24 | irc__ | was tough cause so many people on |
| 16:07:43 | irc__ | half my shots were taken from me cause 3-4 other people were firing at the same tank heh |
| 16:07:45 | irc__ | =P |
| 16:07:49 | irc__ | its iLL btw heh |
| 16:07:52 | irc__ | UNREAL |
| 16:07:53 | irc__ | nheh |
| 16:08:05 | irc__ | you may want to set server sizes lower guys |
| 16:08:13 | irc__ | gameplay sucks with 40 ppl on |
| 16:08:19 | irc__ | it'll scare ppl away |
| 16:08:29 | irc__ | decks is a madhouse |
| 16:08:43 | irc__ | ok i'm going to bed LOL |
| 16:08:46 | irc__ | nnight all |
| 17:50:35 | scanline | is away: class... and probably sleep afterwards |
| 18:56:47 | jpablo | hey dydes |
| 19:10:36 | jpablo | Chestal: are you ther e? |
| 19:10:48 | jpablo | something really funny happend in ducati:5156 |
| 19:10:58 | jpablo | the red flag is above a bulding |
| 19:17:18 | nikos | Are the wiki and http://bzflag.org problems known issue? |
| 19:17:31 | nikos | Also anyone know why relaying is being refused for rikers.org? |
| 20:38:51 | jpablo | hey dydes, what's the prefered branch for bzedit, HEAD or me ? |
| 20:39:16 | captain_proton | neither |
| 20:39:21 | captain_proton | lemme send you my latest tree |
| 20:41:00 | jpablo | ok |
| 20:41:08 | jpablo | thanks |
| 20:41:15 | captain_proton | i really should throw this in CVS =| |
| 20:41:20 | captain_proton | just too lazy :) |
| 20:42:34 | jpablo | are any major changues on your tree ? |
| 20:42:44 | captain_proton | lots |
| 20:42:58 | captain_proton | this latest version is almost a full rewrite |
| 20:43:03 | captain_proton | new interface, new rendering code |
| 20:43:27 | jpablo | humm |
| 20:43:34 | jpablo | i can't create a new world |
| 20:43:35 | Chestal | hi there |
| 20:43:40 | captain_proton | hello Chestal |
| 20:44:05 | jpablo | captain_proton: file->new does not work |
| 20:44:12 | captain_proton | yes it does |
| 20:44:20 | Chestal | jpablo: I assume the red flag was reset in the meantime? |
| 20:45:19 | jpablo | Chestal: dunno, i'm not there anymore. |
| 20:45:21 | jpablo | captain_proton: not here. |
| 20:45:33 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 20:45:59 | captain_proton | jpablo: it should start with a world open |
| 20:46:29 | EddieNull | proton, can I get your latest bzedit as well (along with a binary, please) |
| 20:46:30 | jpablo | gint newf(GtkWidget *widget, gpointer data) { |
| 20:46:32 | jpablo | return TRUE; |
| 20:46:32 | jpablo | } |
| 20:46:34 | jpablo | hum ... |
| 20:46:42 | jpablo | captain_proton: it does not. |
| 20:47:34 | captain_proton | oh hum |
| 20:47:39 | captain_proton | EddieNull: along with a binary? |
| 20:48:05 | captain_proton | binaries almost certainly won't work because of library dependencies and such |
| 20:48:32 | jpablo | captain_proton: i think you send my a test tree or something. |
| 20:48:35 | scanline | is away: class |
| 20:48:52 | captain_proton | jpablo: no - as i said, its a rewrite - so there are lots of things unimplemented |
| 20:48:53 | captain_proton | =| |
| 20:49:20 | jpablo | but the create method is unimplemented ! |
| 20:49:40 | jpablo | callbacks.cpp:236 |
| 20:49:41 | captain_proton | the create? no |
| 20:49:55 | captain_proton | oh yeah that |
| 20:50:01 | captain_proton | blah |
| 20:50:07 | captain_proton | just cycle the program ;) |
| 20:51:55 | jpablo | how i'm supposed to view what i'm doing ? |
| 20:52:06 | captain_proton | there's a window for that |
| 20:52:10 | EddieNull | re tim |
| 20:52:16 | captain_proton | the main window |
| 20:52:20 | Chestal | hi BZFlag |
| 20:52:40 | jpablo | i just see three windows: |
| 20:52:58 | jpablo | BZflag editor, Element inspector and Element list |
| 20:53:06 | captain_proton | the BZflag editor window |
| 20:53:16 | captain_proton | try right clicking and moving around |
| 20:53:23 | jpablo | oh men |
| 20:53:26 | jpablo | i sucks. |
| 20:53:29 | captain_proton | it might not have updated the view when it started |
| 20:53:50 | jpablo | i think sawfish remember the old tiny size of that window |
| 20:54:07 | jpablo | so i didn't see the whole window %) |
| 20:54:09 | captain_proton | heh |
| 20:55:28 | jpablo | captain_proton: you should commit that stuff to cvs, i'm thinking about contributed code. |
| 20:56:20 | captain_proton | yes i ought to |
| 20:56:22 | jpablo | i.e. i'll like to be able to move objects with the mouse. |
| 20:56:42 | captain_proton | selection from the list and hiding objects would be nice too ;) |
| 20:59:11 | jpablo | goes to the 7/11 for some food |
| 20:59:25 | EddieNull | grab me a slurpee please :) |
| 21:01:48 | captain_proton | OMFG |
| 21:02:37 | captain_proton | /. RULES! |
| 21:02:46 | vogon_jeltz | yeah. |
| 21:03:10 | captain_proton | 38 players on masochistic.dhs.org |
| 21:03:53 | jpablo | just wait to see the trolls and you will regret that :-P |
| 21:04:15 | T-34 | Hi |
| 21:04:18 | captain_proton | has the POWER! |
| 21:17:00 | BZFlag | wild! cool to see so many servers and so many players per server! |
| 21:17:06 | BZFlag | excellent |
| 21:17:19 | captain_proton | i'm gonna see how many people got cvs |
| 21:17:34 | captain_proton | nobody on 1.8 |
| 21:17:47 | captain_proton | geez |
| 21:18:00 | captain_proton | i thought nobody was on the ducati/my ctf servers |
| 21:18:11 | captain_proton | turns out they were just near the bottom because they only had 8 players on them |
| 21:18:18 | Chestal | hehe |
| 21:19:20 | BZFlag | hehe |
| 21:19:30 | BZFlag | need to get a stats server back up. |
| 21:19:48 | captain_proton | well |
| 21:19:59 | jpablo | is 1.8 compatible with 1.7 severs ? |
| 21:19:59 | captain_proton | looks like the bzflag server/list server system scales decently |
| 21:20:03 | captain_proton | jpablo: no |
| 21:20:27 | jpablo | oh |
| 21:21:12 | BZFlag | so post comments on /. about the cvs work. ;-) |
| 21:21:44 | BZFlag | jpablo: same list server, but the protocol has changed a bit with more changes planned. |
| 21:22:09 | Chestal | BZFlag: did any work on te network code this week? |
| 21:23:42 | captain_proton | i'm gonna add a comment about 1.8 work and the league |
| 21:23:51 | captain_proton | oh great |
| 21:23:54 | captain_proton | whats my /. login |
| 21:23:56 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: wake up! |
| 21:24:03 | vogon_jeltz | yo. |
| 21:24:11 | BZFlag | EddieNull: you claim to have a osx port working? patches available too? |
| 21:24:16 | BZFlag | for 1.7 or 1.8 or both? |
| 21:24:25 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: gimme a /. login ;) |
| 21:24:26 | Chestal | does it pay to read the /. stuff on bz? |
| 21:24:33 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: no. ;) |
| 21:24:40 | captain_proton | Chestal: there are some interesting comments, nothing new |
| 21:25:01 | BZFlag | ChanServ: not really, have you read the lineo /. ? that's been keeping me busy. |
| 21:25:09 | Chestal | some new players in the league, still lots of 1 player teams |
| 21:25:27 | Chestal | bzflag: talking to chanserv, eh? haven't read it, no |
| 21:25:33 | captain_proton | ahh they're emailing it to me |
| 21:26:04 | BZFlag | http://www.hzsystems.com/kevin/bzflag/ |
| 21:26:19 | BZFlag | heh, well it starts with ch ;-) |
| 21:26:22 | jpablo | does the teams have a 5 members time ? |
| 21:26:26 | jpablo | does the teams have a 5 members limit ? |
| 21:26:31 | jpablo | (on the league page) |
| 21:26:38 | captain_proton | yes |
| 21:26:42 | Chestal | jpablo: yes, 5 players max for now |
| 21:26:58 | Chestal | jpablo: and 3 players max. at the siem time when playing for the CTF battles |
| 21:27:02 | BZFlag | Chestal: 5 members? or 5 in a game? or both? |
| 21:27:11 | BZFlag | ah, that's the answer. |
| 21:27:40 | Chestal | that all might change later, I hope it will evolve over time |
| 21:27:57 | jpablo | oh, i wanted to enter the 'Hispano' team but is full :-( |
| 21:28:07 | Chestal | right now we have some problems setting up a challenge system, we could use some good ideas, mainly on how to best agree on a date/time |
| 21:28:40 | Chestal | jpablo: hmm, maybe we coudl allow larger teams, bu tkeep in mind: only 3 could play at the same time |
| 21:30:52 | captain_proton | just added a comment on /. |
| 21:31:16 | BZFlag | Chestal: just have an offer/accept so one team offers a time and the other team either accepts or counter offers. |
| 21:31:44 | captain_proton | BZFlag: we were thinking of having a set of times to choose from |
| 21:31:49 | captain_proton | 'standard' battle times |
| 21:31:55 | BZFlag | the team should talk before making an offer. all team members will see the offers, and then they talk before replying. |
| 21:32:19 | BZFlag | well, we are worldwide. I'd let them pick. |
| 21:32:31 | Chestal | would be nice to have a forum on the league page, maybe jsut setting a link to one of the sf forums would be enough, hmm |
| 21:32:49 | BZFlag | it would be nice to have the site keep track of where a user's default timezone is and show all times translated to local times. ;-) |
| 21:32:58 | captain_proton | BZFlag: true |
| 21:33:06 | jpablo | why not a mailing list better ? /me does not really like web forums. |
| 21:33:19 | Chestal | the sf forum are not very well frequented, and ezbaord seems to sent advertising mails or soemthign (haven't read the announcement carefulyl yet) |
| 21:33:45 | captain_proton | Chestal: ezboard does popup ads |
| 21:33:46 | Chestal | jpablo: I also prefer mailihg lists, but most peopel seem to like web-based forums better |
| 21:34:01 | Chestal | captain: is that new? I got a mail from them today warning me |
| 21:34:21 | captain_proton | Chestal: oh yeah - they did have a warning that they were going to start sending out spam |
| 21:34:24 | captain_proton | i opted-out ;) |
| 21:34:43 | Chestal | hmm, well, I think it's best to close the ezboard forums then |
| 21:35:15 | Chestal | peopel shudl jsut move to the sf forums? I think I remember OnkelFrank talking of setting up some other forum? that ws some weeks ago |
| 21:35:31 | Chestal | ezboard currently is the most-active user platform for bz |
| 21:35:40 | captain_proton | yeah i think people should move to sf |
| 21:35:55 | captain_proton | or we could use one of the many board systems on sf on the bzflag page |
| 21:36:52 | captain_proton | gets ready to go take an exam |
| 21:38:39 | Chestal | good luck (if you need it) |
| 21:39:01 | captain_proton | i don't think i will |
| 21:39:02 | captain_proton | but thanks |
| 21:41:03 | Chestal | just discovered -frepo |
| 21:41:47 | Chestal | uh, I think my screen is in some deadlocked state, strange |
| 21:41:55 | Chestal | hehe, this sucks |
| 21:42:19 | Chestal | I suspended termnal output with ctrl-s, then did ctrl-a[ to enter screen cut'n'paste mode |
| 21:42:36 | Chestal | now neither ctrl-q or any ctrla- combination seems to do anything |
| 21:48:41 | almogaver | hi |
| 21:48:51 | Chestal | hi alm |
| 21:49:12 | jpablo | wonders was better for a cft team, some medium skilled local-player to who i can yield what to do or a good skilled remote player. |
| 21:50:30 | Chestal | hmm, I haven't played with a local player for a loong time |
| 21:50:52 | Chestal | for now I guess you're doign betert with the highly skilled player |
| 21:51:06 | Chestal | but a trained team might be better than the sum of its players :-) |
| 21:51:25 | jpablo | i play localy daily. |
| 21:52:07 | jpablo | the local lug meet on this house and everyday someone is here willing to get his tank killed. |
| 21:52:19 | Chestal | ah, that's fine |
| 21:52:24 | Chestal | I only play on the internet these days |
| 21:52:34 | Chestal | I guess there are a lot of people playing in LANs only |
| 21:52:51 | Chestal | wehen I started with bzflag, we played on some SGIs here |
| 21:53:19 | Chestal | but my fellow players do not play bzflag on a regular basis anymore, so it made no sense to team up with them |
| 21:54:35 | Chestal | hmm, this -frepo stuff doesn't work out of the box, oh well |
| 21:54:53 | jpablo | bzflag -frepo ? |
| 21:55:03 | Chestal | no, g++ -frepo |
| 21:55:33 | Chestal | a feature which should do template instantiations on demand to avoid duplicate code |
| 21:56:49 | jpablo | i see, dunno i don't code to much in c++, i prefer plain c. |
| 21:59:20 | EddieNull | man, there are alot more Mac OS X guys reading slashdot then I would have thought. my mailbox is exploding ;) |
| 22:06:00 | BZFlag | EddieNull: I've gotten a number of emails too. |
| 22:06:24 | BZFlag | EddieNull: can you put up a patch in addtion to the source so I can get it integrated into cvs? |
| 22:06:47 | EddieNull | heh, I bet. Any TuxScreen orders as a side effect? :) |
| 22:07:09 | BZFlag | not many this time around. |
| 22:07:46 | EddieNull | of course, i'll submit a patch later tonight when I don't have to pretend like i'm doing real work |
| 22:08:00 | vogon_jeltz | heh. |
| 22:08:15 | vogon_jeltz | I'm hacking together res-changing for SDL. |
| 22:08:40 | EddieNull | what version of gcc is being used for the 1.8 branch? |
| 22:09:02 | Chestal | this -I../ is beyond me, why does it work in Make but not when I use it direct, hmm |
| 22:09:07 | BZFlag | 2.9x still. though it should work on 3.x as well. |
| 22:09:31 | BZFlag | actually I'm using 2.7.2 on rikers.org for just the server compiles. it's an old mips box. |
| 22:09:55 | EddieNull | okay cool. What's the status of 1.8? does it compile? is there any gameplay? etc |
| 22:10:15 | vogon_jeltz | it compiles, it works OK, but tanks don't explode and there are a few bugs. |
| 22:10:32 | vogon_jeltz | or did we fix the tank explosions? |
| 22:11:00 | EddieNull | okay cool. that's far enough along then to make a Mac OS X port :) |
| 22:11:19 | vogon_jeltz | true. |
| 22:11:31 | vogon_jeltz | but once I get SDL in, there's no need for platform code for SDL-supported platforms. |
| 22:13:05 | BZFlag | no explosions in 1.8 yet. |
| 22:13:19 | Chestal | vogon: does SDL cover everyhtign we need? |
| 22:13:24 | vogon_jeltz | Chestal: it will. |
| 22:13:32 | vogon_jeltz | Chestal: joystick, mouse, and graphics. |
| 22:13:41 | Chestal | vogon_jeltz: hmm, things like location of configuration file etc? |
| 22:13:44 | vogon_jeltz | Chestal: no. |
| 22:13:54 | vogon_jeltz | Chestal: OK, not as much platform code ;) |
| 22:14:36 | vogon_jeltz | actually, icculus.org hosts a cool library called "PhysicsFS" |
| 22:15:02 | vogon_jeltz | it's supposed to be a sanity-saver for game developers to keep track of their assets more easily. |
| 22:15:26 | vogon_jeltz | not sure if it handles configs. |
| 22:29:25 | EddieNull | what parts of SDL will be used in 1.8? The Mac OS version of SDL is not complete and is missing some features |
| 22:31:29 | vogon_jeltz | SDL/GL and SDL_Joystick. |
| 22:49:58 | almogaver | hi T-34 |
| 22:49:59 | T-34 | Hi all |