| 00:18:55 | iLLf8d | hmm |
| 00:19:00 | iLLf8d | got bzworld to compile |
| 00:19:07 | iLLf8d | dunno tho was meant for windows |
| 00:57:00 | MrApathyCream | I'd like to vote to remove Pause from 1.8 |
| 01:33:32 | iLLf8d | nah |
| 01:34:06 | iLLf8d | I say we cripple apathys tank so it only goes in circles for 1.8 |
| 01:34:06 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 02:23:04 | jacques | hi |
| 02:29:57 | MrApathyCream | Converted 'HEAD' (locally) to byte PlayerIds, seems to work ok! :) |
| 02:34:19 | | BZFlag was last seen on #blob 28 minutes and 2 seconds ago, saying: If it does not show up soon, I can email you a picture of the invoice. [Thu Mar 7 02:06:17 2002] |
| 02:34:19 | MrApathyCream | ibot, seen BZFlag? |
| 02:37:01 | jacques | I didnt know there was a #blob |
| 02:41:01 | jacques | I was thinking... |
| 02:41:15 | jacques | is it possible to instrument a client to attempt to detect cheating? |
| 02:41:38 | jacques | can a client tell how fast another tank is going? |
| 02:42:26 | jacques | if the client did collision detection on its own shots, would that be of any use? even statistically? lag vs % hits vs projected hits ? |
| 02:44:01 | jacques | i.e. if you hit a player with 200 lag 80% if the time your client thinks it should have been hit, and another player with same lag only 10-20% of the time |
| 02:44:10 | jacques | that would seem to inticate something amiss |
| 02:44:49 | jacques | with the second player |
| 02:50:00 | BZFlag | MrApathyCream: yeah? committed? |
| 02:50:27 | BZFlag | MrApathyCream: client player[] needs to be in sync with server player[] as far as numbers go. |
| 02:53:47 | BZFlag | hmm.. looks liek not committed. any reason to not commit what you have? |
| 02:54:53 | BZFlag | tracking what you think are hits vs actual hits does seem like a Good Thing. |
| 02:55:48 | jacques | :-) |
| 02:57:48 | BZFlag | but then what? send an automated "foo thought he killed bar, but he didn't" message after 5 seconds if bar does not die? ;-) |
| 02:58:47 | jacques | I was thinking it would just be a display on the instrumented client |
| 02:59:34 | jacques | unfortunately I cannot think of any definite way to detect cheating |
| 03:00:14 | BZFlag | moving faster that one should be able to over a long period barring teleporters would be one. |
| 03:00:29 | BZFlag | not following the right path when in the air would be another. |
| 03:00:41 | jacques | I think it would be interesting to see tanks' speeds both instantaneaous and peak |
| 03:00:52 | jacques | good point about the teleporters |
| 03:01:06 | jacques | this brings up another question |
| 03:01:31 | jacques | assuming the client knows what all the flags are, why not cheat by having the client display yhe flag function? |
| 03:01:41 | jacques | there was a similar cheat for everquest |
| 03:02:01 | jacques | run an app that listened in o nthe protocol and displayed the entire zone and everything in it |
| 03:02:24 | jacques | you could see what every player and monster was carrying etc |
| 03:03:04 | jacques | EQ started encrypting the protocol but it usually took less than 2 days to crack it again |
| 03:03:18 | jacques | encryption is not the answer IMHO |
| 03:06:07 | jacques | ah yes the path in the air - what about super-long jumps? I saw someone complaining about that last night |
| 03:06:39 | BZFlag | that can be done now. hmmm... perhaps I should change the protocol for that... |
| 03:07:10 | jacques | in 1.7, is high framerate a disadvantage? (I know there is going to be packet throttling in 1.8) |
| 03:07:16 | BZFlag | have the server know the flags, but the client does not. |
| 03:07:23 | jacques | yeah :-) |
| 03:07:33 | BZFlag | so the client can do a grab, but the server sends which flag. |
| 03:07:39 | jacques | yep |
| 03:07:43 | jacques | :-D |
| 03:09:47 | BZFlag | hmm.. if a flag is dropped and lands the client will still know (or guess) what it is. |
| 03:09:52 | BZFlag | I guess that's ok. |
| 03:10:00 | jacques | keeping track of flags should not put undue load on the server |
| 03:10:27 | jacques | well some ppl are good enough to pretty much keep that info in their heads anyway - dropped flags |
| 03:10:38 | BZFlag | the server already keeps track. |
| 03:10:48 | jacques | oh right :-) |
| 03:11:07 | jacques | just have it not tel the clients all its serets |
| 03:11:11 | jacques | secrets |
| 03:11:23 | jacques | also... |
| 03:11:39 | jacques | I would swear some ppl can see me while cloaked or stealthed |
| 03:12:00 | jacques | better than just by watching the radar in the case of cloaking |
| 03:12:05 | jacques | as in then can see when I jump |
| 03:12:26 | iLLf8d | jacques which country you in? |
| 03:12:33 | iLLf8d | anyone here overseas? |
| 03:12:43 | jacques | but no way around that because the client has to knoe the position with both of those flags |
| 03:12:53 | jacques | iLLf8d: I am in same TZ as you I think |
| 03:13:04 | jacques | iLLf8d: it's 19:15 here |
| 03:13:04 | iLLf8d | hmm |
| 03:13:14 | iLLf8d | i'm looking for someone good to traceroute |
| 03:13:31 | iLLf8d | i'm running xtraceroute (opengl glob which shows route) |
| 03:14:04 | iLLf8d | dude you have network problems |
| 03:14:15 | iLLf8d | its showing me your masqd ip |
| 03:14:35 | iLLf8d | 192.168.201.253 |
| 03:15:43 | jacques | who me? |
| 03:15:50 | jacques | I'm currently at work |
| 03:16:15 | jacques | that sounds bad |
| 03:16:17 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 03:16:20 | iLLf8d | lol |
| 03:16:20 | jacques | I need to check that out |
| 03:16:31 | iLLf8d | muwahaha |
| 03:16:39 | iLLf8d | you in windows? |
| 03:16:44 | jacques | what does it show for fontenot (my dsl) |
| 03:16:45 | iLLf8d | if so i'll try to browse your network |
| 03:17:03 | jacques | heh good luck we are behind about 3 firewalls |
| 03:17:07 | iLLf8d | 66.77.10.109 |
| 03:17:47 | jacques | and 192.168.201.253 is not my PC - it's probably the office firewall |
| 03:17:59 | jacques | but I agree you should not see that |
| 03:18:48 | iLLf8d | hmm |
| 03:18:51 | iLLf8d | can't test it actually |
| 03:19:14 | iLLf8d | i'd hae to enable my netbios stuff first and make myself vulnerable lemme portmap you |
| 03:19:21 | jacques | ok |
| 03:19:46 | jacques | I see what you are referring to now |
| 03:19:58 | jacques | 12. msfc-15.jsv.qwest.net 0% 22 22 22 22 25 58 |
| 03:19:59 | jacques | 13. 66.77.10.9 0% 22 22 24 24 30 92 |
| 03:19:59 | jacques | 14. 192.168.201.253 0% 22 22 31 28 37 46 |
| 03:19:59 | jacques | 15. 66.77.10.109 0% 22 22 47 32 42 56 |
| 03:20:10 | jacques | bizarro |
| 03:20:33 | jacques | feel free to try the same against my home firewall (I already did that a while back) |
| 03:21:07 | iLLf8d | this traceroute progie looks cool |
| 03:21:12 | iLLf8d | but so far its blowing heh |
| 03:21:22 | jacques | yeah that was my assessment |
| 03:21:25 | iLLf8d | its called xtraceroute |
| 03:21:27 | jacques | nice 3d globe though |
| 03:21:31 | iLLf8d | yeah |
| 03:21:31 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 03:21:41 | iLLf8d | I got my home loaded in |
| 03:21:44 | iLLf8d | it shows that hop |
| 03:21:51 | iLLf8d | but most shoot straight up from there into space |
| 03:21:56 | iLLf8d | dunno whats up with that |
| 03:21:57 | jacques | LOL |
| 03:22:05 | jacques | satellite link? :-D |
| 03:22:17 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 03:22:29 | iLLf8d | either that or most of the routings happening locally |
| 03:22:48 | jacques | are you in CA ? |
| 03:22:51 | iLLf8d | yeah |
| 03:22:53 | iLLf8d | in Encino |
| 03:23:05 | jacques | is that south? I am in bay area |
| 03:23:07 | iLLf8d | I had to get my lat/long from terraserver (ms) heh |
| 03:23:12 | iLLf8d | sf? |
| 03:23:17 | jacques | sunnyvale |
| 03:23:18 | iLLf8d | i'm in the valley heh |
| 03:23:23 | iLLf8d | sunnydale |
| 03:23:26 | iLLf8d | buffys home |
| 03:23:26 | iLLf8d | =P |
| 03:23:27 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 03:23:43 | iLLf8d | you know the slayer |
| 03:23:44 | iLLf8d | jk |
| 03:23:45 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 03:23:52 | iLLf8d | gotta make a grocerystore run |
| 03:23:53 | iLLf8d | bbiaf |
| 03:23:54 | iLLf8d | =) |
| 03:24:03 | iLLf8d | nmaps taking forever will be done by the time I get back |
| 03:26:08 | jacques | heh |
| 03:26:17 | jacques | it's taking forever because it's not getting anything |
| 03:26:37 | jacques | yeah buffy lives down the block from me |
| 03:28:07 | jacques | oh, I should probably warn you that we have NIDS running |
| 03:28:13 | jacques | oh well |
| 03:28:22 | jacques | muwahaha |
| 03:29:47 | BZFlag | hmm... Identify needs to know what kind of flag landed flags are. |
| 03:30:22 | BZFlag | I suppose when the server sends you a grab for identify it could send an update for every flag too. =( |
| 03:30:51 | jacques | hmm |
| 03:31:05 | jacques | I dont understand |
| 03:31:20 | jacques | Identify is how the client determines which flag it's grabbed? |
| 03:31:24 | captain_proton | returns |
| 03:31:48 | jacques | wb captain_proton |
| 03:31:54 | captain_proton | tanks |
| 03:32:03 | jacques | :-) |
| 03:32:11 | BZFlag | if you have identify, you can drive around and see flag types. |
| 03:33:16 | jacques | oh |
| 03:35:03 | jacques | but that only seems marginally better than having to drive up and grab the flag - though it would really help for bad flags |
| 03:35:44 | jacques | i suppose it would also be easy to mod the client to not be affected b ybad flags anyway |
| 03:40:18 | BZFlag | yes. I think it's probably good enough to check that a client can get a flag, and that he does not use a flag unless he has it. |
| 03:43:16 | jacques | a definite improvement anyway |
| 03:46:02 | BZFlag | client could send a MsgFlagUpdate with just the flag num for flags in range if he has Identify. |
| 03:46:21 | BZFlag | that might be nice. /me ponders |
| 03:58:32 | glaucon | bzflag is the bomb!!! |
| 03:58:34 | glaucon | :) |
| 03:59:05 | glaucon | see you guys later... going to go try the maps i downloaded |
| 04:05:51 | jacques | heh |
| 04:13:51 | BZFlag | well I added a comment on this to protocol.txt and I'll chat with crs about it. |
| 04:14:46 | BZFlag | I'm actually leaning towards changing it and having the client request flag updates for any flags he does not know that are "close" when he has identify. |
| 04:29:13 | jacques | im on scanlines server now |
| 04:29:20 | jacques | on player is warping all over the place |
| 04:29:21 | captain_proton | scanlines server? |
| 04:29:31 | jacques | well that's what it was called |
| 04:29:52 | jacques | one player with a lag of 300 flickers bck and forth |
| 04:30:25 | captain_proton | DUUUUDE! |
| 04:30:34 | captain_proton | scanline is a guy who lives a building away from me |
| 04:30:43 | captain_proton | sweet |
| 04:30:47 | captain_proton | he's gotten into bz |
| 04:30:49 | captain_proton | celebrates |
| 04:30:57 | jacques | actually |
| 04:31:14 | jacques | both highest scoring players (who are both on same team) flicker |
| 04:31:33 | jacques | one instant they are one place the next they are someplace else (close) |
| 04:31:46 | jacques | who knows if it's the same person |
| 04:31:51 | jacques | scanline I mean |
| 04:32:00 | captain_proton | yes it is |
| 04:32:11 | captain_proton | the server was something.picogui.org - the scanline i know started picogui |
| 04:32:34 | jacques | maybe it's the server |
| 04:32:43 | captain_proton | yes its him |
| 04:32:43 | jacques | well cool |
| 04:32:54 | jacques | I have talked to him quite a bit on #tuxscreen |
| 04:33:33 | jacques | my lag is 49ms but I am seeing all sorts of flicker-warping |
| 04:37:30 | captain_proton | ugh |
| 04:37:31 | captain_proton | that sucked |
| 04:37:41 | vogon_jeltz | had to reboot? |
| 04:37:45 | vogon_jeltz | 8:39pm up 5 days, 4:09, 8 users, load average: 1.18, 1.26, 1.28 |
| 04:38:08 | captain_proton | no |
| 04:38:14 | captain_proton | i ctrl+c'ed the wrong virtual terminal |
| 04:38:16 | captain_proton | and killed X |
| 04:40:01 | captain_proton | scanline: so - what parts were you interested in? |
| 04:40:21 | scanline | i dunno yet |
| 04:40:37 | captain_proton | you should take a look at the current cvs (HEAD) |
| 04:40:43 | scanline | yes |
| 04:40:45 | captain_proton | its got quite a bit on 1.8 so far |
| 04:40:50 | scanline | i was going to look at the code some time soon |
| 04:41:34 | BZFlag | so we should expect a picogui bz port soon? ;-) |
| 04:41:45 | captain_proton | heh BZFlag |
| 04:41:48 | scanline | hehe, maybe |
| 04:41:54 | jacques | what makes things jump around? load on the serve? |
| 04:41:57 | scanline | you can do a little bit of OpenGL in picogui now |
| 04:42:01 | captain_proton | BZFlag: with your dream of integers it might even work |
| 04:42:36 | scanline | hehe... since picogui's protocol is all-integer i had to use 16:16 fixed point notation a lot |
| 04:42:57 | captain_proton | scanline: you'd be annoyed |
| 04:43:13 | scanline | captain_proton: with what? |
| 04:43:23 | captain_proton | i was talking with waite earlier tonight and he said they're changing components use use 68k |
| 04:43:48 | scanline | porting bzflag to 68k? |
| 04:43:51 | captain_proton | no |
| 04:43:55 | captain_proton | the class |
| 04:44:00 | captain_proton | (off topic here) |
| 04:44:05 | scanline | oh oh, i see :) |
| 04:44:06 | scanline | good! |
| 04:44:16 | scanline | maybe i'll take it again to learn 68k asm ;) |
| 04:44:36 | scanline | i've got an old mac, and a few embedded systems that run 68k |
| 04:44:42 | captain_proton | i might TA it next or the following semester (they're going to try using undergrad TAs) |
| 04:44:56 | BZFlag | scanline: I'm thinking of rescaling bz so ints make sense. ie: world measurements are in millimeters or somthing. |
| 04:45:19 | scanline | ah.. for speed and/or portability? |
| 04:45:25 | jacques | hi scanline I was just playing on your server |
| 04:45:43 | captain_proton | BZFlag just wants to play on his ARM devices |
| 04:45:49 | scanline | jacques: hehe. I had no idea so many people would join a bzflag server so fast :) |
| 04:45:56 | scanline | hmm.... that'd be cool |
| 04:46:07 | BZFlag | scanline: portability. I'd like to see an integer based client at some point. |
| 04:46:08 | captain_proton | scanline: people just like our bandwidth here |
| 04:46:10 | scanline | are there any good software opengl renderers that are mostly-integer yet? |
| 04:46:28 | scanline | captain_proton: yep. I think my server's using about 100kBps upstream |
| 04:46:43 | BZFlag | not that I've found, but I have not looked a lot yet either. |
| 04:47:26 | jacques | scanline: I'm seeing strange effects on your server - ppl flickering back and forth |
| 04:47:30 | scanline | now that would be a cool project.. an all integer OpenGL implementation optimized for software rendering on ARM |
| 04:48:39 | scanline | jacques: my roommate was playing on it earlier, and people were getting pissed at him because he could move and turn very fast.. looking on his computer, everything was jerky like it had trouble synchronizing with the server |
| 04:48:42 | captain_proton | ventures into SceneReader |
| 04:48:44 | BZFlag | agreed! ;-) |
| 04:48:49 | BZFlag | back later... |
| 04:49:08 | scanline | well, i should concentrate on this math homework. bbl |
| 04:49:11 | scanline | is away: homework |
| 04:57:01 | jacques | WOW |
| 04:57:26 | vogon_jeltz | WHAT |
| 04:57:30 | captain_proton | hey vogon_jeltz |
| 04:57:31 | jacques | i never knew bzfag paused when I switched to a different virtual background |
| 04:57:39 | jacques | in X |
| 04:58:07 | jacques | I have bzflag running in a window and when I switch screens it pauses |
| 05:45:58 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: how goes SDL? |
| 05:47:50 | vogon_jeltz | feh |
| 05:47:55 | vogon_jeltz | almost done |
| 05:49:19 | jacques | really? amazing :-) |
| 05:50:27 | captain_proton | tries to figure out how to parse contents of tags |
| 05:51:43 | scanline | pops in momentarily with a crazy idea... |
| 05:51:51 | scanline | what about a 2D bzflag client for PDAs? |
| 05:51:58 | | BZFlag was last seen on #bzflag 1 hours, 3 minutes and 9 seconds ago, saying: back later... [Thu Mar 7 04:48:49 2002] |
| 05:51:58 | MrApathyCream | ibot, seen BZFlag |
| 05:52:04 | scanline | begins to fade away again.... |
| 05:52:20 | vogon_jeltz | I've been spending all day trying to get %@#$%ing anti-aliasing working in Mozilla |
| 05:58:36 | jacques | :-\ |
| 06:01:05 | captain_proton | scanline: interesting...but how many people (other than you) have networked PDAs? |
| 06:02:06 | captain_proton | also that really only works for worlds with no jumping & no flags |
| 06:05:58 | captain_proton | decides to be wussy and use <location x="." y="." z="." /> instead of <location>x y z</location> |
| 06:11:53 | captain_proton | wb |
| 06:12:10 | vogon_jeltz | thx |
| 06:12:22 | captain_proton | fark. you have my uptime beat my 3 hours |
| 06:14:09 | captain_proton | compiles and prays |
| 06:15:27 | vogon_jeltz | compiling what? :) |
| 06:16:11 | captain_proton | i just implemented an xml interface for particle systems |
| 06:16:14 | vogon_jeltz | ahh |
| 06:17:34 | jacques | oooooh aaaah |
| 06:18:23 | captain_proton | of course i have acres of code that hasn't been tested at all |
| 06:20:19 | captain_proton | it compiles ;) |
| 06:20:56 | jacques | :-) |
| 06:22:34 | captain_proton | will go running around nekkid if this works at all |
| 06:22:57 | vogon_jeltz | hehe |
| 06:23:19 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 06:23:31 | captain_proton | perhaps i should first implement all the stuff i stubbed out with FIXME in the particle class |
| 06:24:12 | ppl | will bzflag have multiple vehicule types someday? |
| 06:24:35 | captain_proton | thinks bzflag needs the spaceships |
| 06:24:57 | ppl | choose the "battle cruiser" |
| 06:25:17 | ppl | captain_proton whats your handle on bzflag? |
| 06:25:39 | captain_proton | ppl: [meq] captain proton |
| 06:25:46 | ppl | ok, that was you then ;) |
| 06:25:49 | captain_proton | yes |
| 06:25:54 | ppl | [meq] is a clan.. ? |
| 06:25:57 | captain_proton | sorta |
| 06:26:03 | captain_proton | we just go around instilling fear in others ;) |
| 06:26:08 | ppl | ;) |
| 06:26:14 | ppl | i dont fear anyone.. :-) |
| 06:27:18 | captain_proton | yet |
| 06:28:09 | ppl | I'm happy that bzflag run with my X |
| 06:28:17 | ppl | it's the only "real" game that I can run |
| 06:28:30 | ppl | s/game/playable game |
| 06:32:13 | captain_proton | hrm |
| 06:32:29 | captain_proton | anybody know if bzflag includes a function to compute a random float between two other random floats? |
| 06:33:10 | ppl | captain_proton why not get the MAX to x - y and add +x after? |
| 06:33:16 | ppl | s/get/set |
| 06:33:41 | ppl | if there's already a random class or something... |
| 06:35:28 | ppl | (notes that would be y - x, y being the > number) |
| 06:35:40 | MrApathyCream | (bzfrand() * (hi - lo)) + lo |
| 06:35:50 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: just did that ;) |
| 06:36:01 | ppl | * is overlorded? |
| 06:36:40 | captain_proton | no |
| 06:36:55 | MrApathyCream | captain_proton: how to commit to HEAD? says 'commit' requires write access |
| 06:37:08 | ppl | ah, bzfrand returns a number < 0.0 ? |
| 06:37:16 | MrApathyCream | ah, never mind, dang |
| 06:37:20 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: you need to have your tree checked out as you |
| 06:37:29 | captain_proton | ppl: bzfrand() returns a number in [0,1) |
| 06:38:17 | ppl | that's what i tried to meant... [0,1] ;) |
| 06:38:21 | MrApathyCream | was anonymous |
| 06:43:03 | captain_proton | is getting more and more confident this can work |
| 06:43:51 | jacques | random are too hard |
| 06:44:04 | jacques | use pseudo-random instead |
| 06:44:06 | jacques | :-D |
| 06:48:05 | captain_proton | adds loads of debugging output |
| 06:49:01 | captain_proton | hrm its growing |
| 06:52:54 | jacques | cant wait to see particles in bzflag. |
| 06:54:01 | captain_proton | ahahaha |
| 06:54:08 | captain_proton | i just figured out why its growing! |
| 06:54:36 | captain_proton | i specify it to create 10 particles a second |
| 06:54:41 | captain_proton | but its creating 10 per frame |
| 06:56:56 | BZFlag | implement OO internal view as a partical system. ;-) |
| 07:02:46 | captain_proton | wonders why it claims 0 triangles |
| 07:08:35 | | MrApathyCream was last seen on #bzflag 30 minutes and 14 seconds ago, saying: was anonymous [Thu Mar 7 06:38:21 2002] |
| 07:08:35 | BZFlag | ibot seen MrApathyCream |
| 07:08:49 | captain_proton | gets frustrated |
| 07:11:01 | captain_proton | why doesn't it work? ={ |
| 07:11:47 | vogon_jeltz | <particle_system> BECUZ YUO SUKC!!@$1 GRABUALSA |
| 07:13:21 | ppl | send positive particules to captain_proton |
| 07:13:26 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: rofl |
| 07:15:11 | captain_proton | gets an idea |
| 07:19:09 | captain_proton | geez |
| 07:19:10 | jacques | implement tanks as particles |
| 07:19:19 | jacques | explosions will be cooool |
| 07:19:25 | captain_proton | tanks as particles? ;) |
| 07:19:36 | jacques | :-D |
| 07:20:24 | jacques | tanks as molecules created from particles (atoms) |
| 07:20:43 | captain_proton | smacks jacques |
| 07:21:16 | jacques | ouch. I deserved that. |
| 07:33:23 | BZFlag | MrApathyCream: cvs does not compile |
| 07:33:41 | BZFlag | ah, new commits... checking |
| 07:45:00 | jacques | ah, I love the smell of new cvs commits in the evening |
| 07:45:22 | captain_proton | scratches his head |
| 07:46:49 | captain_proton | i honestly have no clue whats not working here |
| 08:02:14 | MrApathyCream | really, checking... |
| 08:05:15 | MrApathyCream | waits with dreaded anticipation, knowing windoze builds... |
| 08:07:21 | MrApathyCream | captain_proton: You mean you don't have any more duct tape? |
| 08:07:48 | captain_proton | plenty but it isn't helping |
| 08:08:11 | MrApathyCream | mcguyver could fix it with duct tape.. c'mon..... |
| 08:08:17 | captain_proton | bah |
| 08:09:23 | captain_proton | falls over |
| 08:10:20 | captain_proton | i saw a white box |
| 08:11:16 | captain_proton | omg |
| 08:11:24 | captain_proton | that just made my day |
| 08:11:33 | MrApathyCream | easy on the illegal substances, bud |
| 08:13:06 | captain_proton | IT WAS A PARTICLE |
| 08:13:27 | MrApathyCream | dangling particle? |
| 08:14:11 | MrApathyCream | ok, i've ignored you long enough |
| 08:14:15 | captain_proton | i think the problems are in the particle update functions, not the drawing functions |
| 08:14:20 | MrApathyCream | what the hell are doing with xml and particles? |
| 08:14:49 | captain_proton | haha |
| 08:14:56 | captain_proton | i'm creating a particle system element |
| 08:15:11 | jacques | one really biiig particle |
| 08:15:15 | BZFlag | MrApathyCream: no "byte", no "boolean", no spaces ( foo, bar ), instead (foo, bar) |
| 08:15:40 | captain_proton | admonishes MrApathyCream for his inferior coding style |
| 08:15:41 | vogon_jeltz | oooh! coding style smackdown! |
| 08:15:45 | MrApathyCream | ok |
| 08:15:58 | MrApathyCream | did i use byte? boolean? |
| 08:16:06 | captain_proton | lol @ vogon_jeltz |
| 08:16:11 | captain_proton | hmmm this could be a problem ;) |
| 08:16:19 | vogon_jeltz | OK, let's check everyone's favored brace styles |
| 08:16:21 | MrApathyCream | i do have a tendency with the spaces |
| 08:16:23 | captain_proton | updating particle: color = (-0.00148844, -0.01524, -0.01081, -0.0023873) |
| 08:16:31 | captain_proton | thats not good |
| 08:16:51 | vogon_jeltz | is a proponent of the 1TBS |
| 08:16:58 | captain_proton | too |
| 08:17:05 | MrApathyCream | I have been behaving my self with the |
| 08:17:12 | MrApathyCream | if (thisisridiculous) { |
| 08:17:16 | MrApathyCream | do it anyway |
| 08:17:16 | MrApathyCream | } |
| 08:17:21 | vogon_jeltz | hehe |
| 08:17:31 | vogon_jeltz | 1TBS r00lz!!!!!1 |
| 08:17:42 | BZFlag | MrApathyCream: patches committed. |
| 08:18:03 | MrApathyCream | new ones? |
| 08:18:51 | BZFlag | yeah, fixing your commits. ;-) |
| 08:19:00 | MrApathyCream | oh, ok thanks |
| 08:19:55 | BZFlag | hmm.. perhaps server should get a high numbered playerid too. |
| 08:20:13 | MrApathyCream | still to do, is not returning 0 as a playerid |
| 08:20:16 | jacques | does 1TBS require braced on lines by themselves? if so I hate that |
| 08:20:19 | Chestal | good morning *yawn* |
| 08:20:28 | MrApathyCream | uhoh, that means i should go to bed |
| 08:20:30 | captain_proton | jacques: thats the opposite of it |
| 08:20:37 | vogon_jeltz | jacques: nah, the 1TBS abhors brace-only lines except in arbitrarily-blocked code |
| 08:20:43 | jacques | captain_proton: then 1TBS is what I use and love |
| 08:20:53 | MrApathyCream | { |
| 08:20:54 | vogon_jeltz | let's overthrow Tim! |
| 08:20:55 | MrApathyCream | me too |
| 08:20:55 | MrApathyCream | } |
| 08:21:05 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: you old fool ;) |
| 08:21:06 | jacques | I meant vogon_jeltz |
| 08:21:08 | BZFlag | hey, this is NOT my coding style. |
| 08:21:13 | Chestal | I hate the tabs most :-) |
| 08:21:14 | MrApathyCream | hehe |
| 08:21:27 | MrApathyCream | did i see where crs said tabs are 4 now? woowoo |
| 08:21:27 | jacques | any tab greater than 2 spaces is too much :-D |
| 08:21:29 | vogon_jeltz | OK, let's convert the entire project to the 1TBS, then see who complains and lynch them! |
| 08:21:47 | jacques | 4 is acceptable - 8 is criminal |
| 08:21:56 | vogon_jeltz | jacques: true dat, and not just because that's what XEmacs defaults to ;) |
| 08:22:01 | captain_proton | ooh |
| 08:22:05 | Chestal | well, 8 is the default for tabs |
| 08:22:13 | captain_proton | BZFlag is showing how big and scary he can be |
| 08:22:17 | vogon_jeltz | Chestal: not on my copy :) |
| 08:22:23 | BZFlag | indent != tab |
| 08:22:27 | BZFlag | ;-) |
| 08:22:30 | Chestal | tabs are evil anyway |
| 08:22:36 | captain_proton | indent should be 2 spaces |
| 08:22:51 | vogon_jeltz | 8-space tabs are the opiate of the masses! |
| 08:22:55 | BZFlag | I like indent=1 tab=8 and let the editor cope |
| 08:23:05 | BZFlag | er indent=2 |
| 08:23:37 | Chestal | is going to transfer croissants from the oen to the table. later |
| 08:23:41 | vogon_jeltz | ponders |
| 08:24:02 | MrApathyCream | gets hungry for croissants |
| 08:24:47 | captain_proton | gets hungry for anything |
| 08:24:57 | vogon_jeltz | eats some Thin Mints |
| 08:25:11 | captain_proton | looks plaintively at vogon_jeltz |
| 08:25:25 | vogon_jeltz | tosses cappy and apathy cream some thin mints |
| 08:25:47 | MrApathyCream | gag, joke, hapuey...... <that was close> |
| 08:27:12 | MrApathyCream | BZFlag: did you intend the client's RemotePlayer array to be index insync with server? |
| 08:27:24 | BZFlag | yes |
| 08:28:17 | MrApathyCream | ok, currently on client side, class Player still has ID field, and players get jammed into array any old way |
| 08:28:25 | MrApathyCream | server goes by index only |
| 08:28:58 | BZFlag | right, that needs to get fixed now. |
| 08:29:16 | MrApathyCream | Do I (the local tank) need to get added to the remoteplayers array as well? |
| 08:29:23 | BZFlag | which means one of the entries will be yourself. |
| 08:29:27 | BZFlag | yes |
| 08:30:08 | MrApathyCream | wasn't sure, so i just left it the way it was (other than converting to unsigned char <<--look no byte |
| 08:31:05 | captain_proton | BZFlag: i don't suppose you know how the ConfigReader stuff works? |
| 08:31:55 | MrApathyCream | I guess it will have to be converted to a Player array not RemotePlayer array :) |
| 08:32:56 | BZFlag | heh, I suppose so. |
| 08:33:10 | captain_proton | you do? |
| 08:33:35 | MrApathyCream | captain_proton: answering me, i think |
| 08:33:53 | captain_proton | bah |
| 08:34:46 | MrApathyCream | is out of thin mints, now |
| 08:35:04 | vogon_jeltz | tosses Apathy Cream some more |
| 08:35:43 | MrApathyCream | :) |
| 08:35:59 | captain_proton | well...since i'm at a standstill till crs comes around |
| 08:36:04 | BZFlag | captain_proton: yeah, sorry, no such luck |
| 08:36:05 | captain_proton | decides to go particle spotting |
| 08:43:09 | vogon_jeltz | is away: TV |
| 08:44:41 | MrApathyCream | Won't be trivial to remove Id from Player Class |
| 08:44:59 | MrApathyCream | Maybe should just leave there |
| 08:45:19 | jacques | hmg |
| 08:45:32 | jacques | kid jr sure can turn fast in the air |
| 08:45:54 | MrApathyCream | have (A) flag |
| 08:46:00 | MrApathyCream | ? |
| 08:46:09 | jacques | he shows no flags |
| 08:46:27 | MrApathyCream | i've never known him to cheat, tho |
| 08:47:47 | MrApathyCream | falls fast asleep, with a belly full of thin mints |
| 08:59:55 | BZFlag | :w |
| 08:59:58 | BZFlag | heh |
| 09:00:49 | captain_proton | hehe |
| 09:01:34 | jacques | whoo I just had a good run |
| 09:01:43 | jacques | went from -1 to 7 before getting killed |
| 09:01:46 | jacques | I think |
| 09:07:30 | jacques | woo up to 11 now |
| 09:10:00 | jacques | TK421 gets GM right after spawn |
| 09:10:28 | captain_proton | every time? |
| 09:15:04 | jacques | not every time but he could just have a key boubd |
| 09:15:08 | jacques | bound |
| 09:15:21 | jacques | some ppl seem to get the exact flag they need exactly when they need it |
| 09:15:33 | jacques | such as OO when I am chasig and they are going to lose |
| 09:17:47 | jacques | there is defenite cheating going on |
| 09:18:00 | jacques | TK421 is extremely suspicious |
| 09:19:24 | captain_proton | which server? |
| 09:21:12 | jacques | does rapid fire increase the speed of shots? |
| 09:21:21 | jacques | because it sure appears to for TK421 |
| 09:21:29 | jacques | turkey again |
| 09:21:35 | jacques | only one with players when I looked |
| 09:23:17 | Chestal | jacques: yes, with rapid fire shot frequency increases, shot speed increases and shot range decreases |
| 09:33:27 | jacques | Chestal: thanks |
| 09:33:43 | jacques | ppl seem to have settled down |
| 09:33:55 | jacques | ppl who were unhittable a few minutes ago are going down easy now |
| 09:34:04 | jacques | like someone flipped a switch |
| 09:34:05 | jacques | weird |
| 09:45:09 | jacques | wow that was great |
| 09:45:22 | jacques | I was going OK |
| 09:45:25 | jacques | :-) |
| 09:45:46 | jacques | then I found out that TK421 didnt even know stealth would prevent missile lock |
| 09:47:30 | jacques | wow I never noticed the range decrease with rapid file |
| 09:48:00 | | jacques: sorry... |
| 09:48:00 | jacques | ibot: jacques toolchain |
| 09:48:05 | | jacques: what? |
| 09:48:05 | jacques | ibot: seach for jacques |
| 09:48:10 | jacques | ibot: search for jacques |
| 09:51:24 | BZFlag | nukes the reconnect ;-) |
| 09:51:36 | jacques | reconnect? |
| 09:51:59 | BZFlag | yeah, it is no more. |
| 09:52:12 | BZFlag | connect to server, play game. no more reconnect. |
| 09:53:05 | BZFlag | updating the test server. |
| 09:53:42 | jacques | :-) |
| 09:54:41 | jacques | someone on #tuxscreen said the mtd snap in buildroot-tux is not downloadable |
| 09:55:54 | BZFlag | yeah, that happens every two weeks |
| 09:56:05 | jacques | yep it's really not there |
| 09:56:21 | jacques | he said he tried several other snapshots.. |
| 09:58:14 | jacques | urk! < 400 tuxscreens left |
| 10:01:22 | jacques | time to move this show home |
| 10:04:00 | BZFlag | k. somebody update from cvs and try two: out |
| 10:04:39 | Chestal | compiling right now |
| 10:13:59 | Chestal | works fine for me |
| 10:14:22 | BZFlag | let me join as well meet ya there? |
| 10:14:25 | Chestal | ok |
| 10:16:14 | vogon_jeltz | is back (gone 01:33:04) |
| 10:16:36 | Chestal | pressing , crashed bz |
| 10:19:08 | BZFlag | hmm... try again? |
| 10:19:29 | Chestal | just a moment |
| 10:21:37 | BZFlag | well, somethin's messed. |
| 10:21:50 | BZFlag | this silly laptop is getting 10 fps |
| 10:22:04 | Chestal | wish I had so much |
| 10:22:08 | BZFlag | I'll work on it more when I get my other box back |
| 10:22:35 | Chestal | I guess this is related to the new player id? |
| 10:22:46 | Chestal | reconnecting is already gone? |
| 10:23:54 | BZFlag | yes, reconnecting is gone, and playerids are 1 byte |
| 10:24:21 | BZFlag | so we have likely missed some changes, but they will get fixed soon |
| 10:24:47 | Chestal | I'll take a look into it, mayeb I can do my first cvs commits this way :-) |
| 10:26:01 | fontenot | hi lo |
| 10:26:51 | Chestal | is 0 a valid playerid now? |
| 10:26:55 | Chestal | hi font |
| 10:28:43 | Chestal | client / server player arrays are not in sync yet, are they? |
| 10:38:11 | BZFlag | 0 should be yeah. |
| 10:38:22 | BZFlag | they are not yet in sync. |
| 10:42:02 | Chestal | I'm trying to figure out the scoreboard right now |
| 10:42:48 | Chestal | haven't found the part which puts semtics into the field specifiers (%W %L etc.) |
| 10:43:29 | Chestal | ah, Igot it |
| 11:00:22 | Chestal | do I need to add any flags when committing? like -A? |
| 11:03:12 | Chestal | i.e. do I have to specify the CVS branch 1.8? |
| 11:09:30 | BZFlag | nope |
| 13:11:50 | Chestal | oops |
| 13:39:28 | jacques | wow I was on a roll |
| 13:40:02 | jacques | wy trigger finger is sore |
| 13:41:13 | jacques | i think i made a break-through today |
| 13:41:32 | jacques | i love it when that happens |
| 13:56:26 | jacques | this guy signed on to my team as DEVASTATOR II and proceeded to kill hi teammates |
| 13:56:37 | jacques | then he got genocide and continued to kill us |
| 13:56:54 | jacques | there aughta be something that can be done about that |
| 13:58:21 | jacques | finally I switched teams but lost my score |
| 14:01:42 | jacques | testing testing tesgin |
| 14:01:42 | jacques | sdfsdfs |
| 14:01:43 | jacques | df |
| 14:01:43 | jacques | sf |
| 14:01:43 | jacques | sdfsd |
| 14:01:43 | jacques | fsd |
| 14:01:44 | jacques | fsd |
| 14:01:47 | jacques | fsd |
| 14:01:48 | jacques | fs |
| 14:01:50 | jacques | df |
| 14:01:53 | jacques | sdf |
| 14:01:55 | jacques | sdf |
| 14:01:57 | jacques | sdf |
| 14:01:59 | jacques | sdfsdfsd |
| 14:02:01 | jacques | fsdf |
| 14:02:03 | jacques | sd |
| 14:02:05 | jacques | fsd |
| 14:05:41 | Chestal | ahem |
| 14:06:09 | Chestal | well, teamkillersshould be treated liek cheaters |
| 14:06:22 | Chestal | kicked / banned from server, of course you'll need someone with admin powers for that |
| 14:06:40 | jacques | fsd |
| 14:06:40 | jacques | fsd |
| 14:06:41 | | what's up, jacques |
| 14:06:41 | jacques | ibot: hello |
| 14:41:45 | vogon_jeltz | new nVidia drivers for L00nix |
| 15:18:06 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: how are the new drivers? |
| 15:18:36 | vogon_jeltz | OK, I guess |
| 15:18:41 | vogon_jeltz | a little faster than the old ones |
| 15:18:45 | captain_proton | ahh |
| 15:18:51 | captain_proton | changelog didn't have anything spectacular |
| 15:20:44 | captain_proton | SDL? |
| 15:21:21 | vogon_jeltz | code later |
| 15:28:42 | captain_proton | bleh |
| 15:28:54 | captain_proton | 8:28am up 3 min, 5 users, load average: 0.20, 0.15, 0.06 |
| 15:29:08 | vogon_jeltz | new drivers didn't agree with your system? |
| 15:29:48 | captain_proton | no - when i ctrl+Ced x yesterday i screwed something else that caused ps/w/a lot of other stuff to freeze |
| 15:29:57 | vogon_jeltz | ahh |
| 15:41:57 | Chestal | capt: you lose the uptime wars :-) |
| 15:41:59 | Chestal | 16:44:16 up 42 days, 1:50, 20 users, load average: 0.05, 0.51, 0.53 |
| 15:42:11 | vogon_jeltz | 42! |
| 15:42:37 | captain_proton | yeah =| |
| 15:42:44 | captain_proton | but your load average sux0rz! |
| 15:42:52 | vogon_jeltz | 7:44am up 5 days, 15:15, 3 users, load average: 1.01, 1.03, 1.02 |
| 15:43:07 | Chestal | what's causing your >=1 load? |
| 15:43:13 | vogon_jeltz | SETI@home :) |
| 15:43:34 | Chestal | a long time ago I ran a yeti@home client, too. Infact lots of them |
| 15:44:29 | captain_proton | yeti? searching for bigfoot? |
| 15:45:06 | vogon_jeltz | aren't Yeti abominable snowmen, not bigf{oots,eet} |
| 15:45:07 | vogon_jeltz | ? |
| 15:45:16 | captain_proton | same thing |
| 15:45:22 | Chestal | in Himalaya |
| 15:45:24 | vogon_jeltz | shrugs |
| 15:46:30 | captain_proton | ok... |
| 15:46:42 | captain_proton | i'm off to see the wizard, the wonderful wizard of oz |
| 15:48:23 | ppl | seomthing wrong on ducati again |
| 15:48:37 | vogon_jeltz | is away: o/~ You've got your love online / You think you're doin' fine / But you're just plugged into the wall o/~ -- Lazlo Lane, "Superman" |
| 15:48:40 | ppl | a red player with green flag just started to go offmap on the radar |
| 15:48:54 | vogon_jeltz | they're just lagged out |
| 15:49:47 | ppl | shure, but we dont ahve a flag anymore :) |
| 15:49:52 | vogon_jeltz | hehe |
| 15:50:04 | vogon_jeltz | isn't that a good thing? :P |
| 15:50:27 | ppl | no, im red team |
| 15:50:28 | ppl | :) |
| 15:50:33 | vogon_jeltz | hehe |
| 15:50:57 | vogon_jeltz | then wait for someone to get your flag, then pingflood them |
| 15:51:55 | ppl | the server isn't conscious about map limits? |
| 15:52:31 | Chestal | ppl: the server isn't conscious about tank positions |
| 15:52:43 | ppl | oh |
| 17:29:04 | captain_proton | comes back |
| 19:01:49 | captain_proton | installs lart.1.gz into his manpath |
| 19:09:40 | captain_proton | WTF? |
| 19:09:48 | captain_proton | the new nvidia drivers f0rked my AGP |
| 19:18:12 | Chestal | hah, finally managed to configure my editor to automatically use bz code formatting |
| 19:18:38 | iLLf8d | lo all |
| 19:18:44 | iLLf8d | just a quicky question |
| 19:18:50 | iLLf8d | why were radians used in the beginning? |
| 19:19:18 | iLLf8d | I've been reading throught opengl tutorials seems most things are degree based (tho i've still got alot of reading left to do) |
| 19:19:56 | Chestal | hmm, don't know about opengl, but I would find it rather strange if gl used degrees |
| 19:20:05 | Chestal | every math function I know uses radians |
| 19:21:10 | iLLf8d | hmm |
| 19:21:26 | iLLf8d | well i'm still reading the tutorials perhaps further in they use rads |
| 19:36:32 | BZFlag | no, I think gl is always degrees. |
| 19:36:42 | iLLf8d | hmm |
| 19:36:52 | BZFlag | lots of conversion calls when working with math libs. |
| 19:36:56 | iLLf8d | I haven't gotten far in my tuts but seems its all degrees up to now |
| 19:37:06 | BZFlag | yep. |
| 19:37:34 | Chestal | uh, that's strange IMHO |
| 19:37:42 | iLLf8d | must be easy to messup rotations at times huh |
| 19:38:27 | Chestal | when I am using glx+dri, I get no tank indicating the current menu item |
| 19:38:43 | Chestal | and I find some of the fonts hard to read, e.g. the scoreboard doesn't look very good |
| 20:01:57 | captain_proton | that sucked |
| 20:02:02 | iLLf8d | hmm |
| 20:02:08 | iLLf8d | what sucked? |
| 20:02:30 | captain_proton | i upgraded my nvidia drivers and just went through hell to get agp up again |
| 20:02:35 | iLLf8d | in opengl everything is drawn around the center and then translated/rotated out to where people will see it? |
| 20:02:44 | iLLf8d | upgraded? |
| 20:02:48 | iLLf8d | new version? |
| 20:02:53 | iLLf8d | had nvidia too |
| 20:03:19 | captain_proton | having a Geforce3/PCI/SSE2 is crap |
| 20:03:23 | captain_proton | ;) |
| 20:04:23 | iLLf8d | huh? |
| 20:04:28 | iLLf8d | you have pci vid card? |
| 20:04:41 | captain_proton | no |
| 20:04:46 | captain_proton | but when AGP doesn't work i do |
| 20:04:50 | iLLf8d | lol |
| 20:21:12 | captain_proton | needs crs's wisdom |
| 20:23:57 | iLLf8d | hmm |
| 20:34:02 | iLLf8d | hey all i'm looking at a few tutorials that use glRotatef(rquad,1.0f,1.0f,1.0f); I can run the code and it rotates the quad, however I can't see anything that controls rotation speed or loops |
| 20:34:17 | iLLf8d | anyone know what the scoop is with opengl rotations |
| 20:49:07 | captain_proton | glRotatef(value, <axis>) |
| 21:04:20 | iLLf8d | suck |
| 21:04:22 | iLLf8d | hmm |
| 21:04:24 | iLLf8d | if someone answered my question could you repost it if not ah well heh |
| 21:13:29 | ppl | <captain_proton> glRotatef(value, <axis>) |
| 21:24:26 | scanline | is back (gone 16:35:16) |
| 21:32:36 | scanline | hmm... just out of curiosity what's the best way to convert 3d models from Blender into OpenGL source code? |
| 21:37:50 | scanline | well, it's just out of curiosity until i figure out how to use blender :) |
| 21:57:23 | captain_proton | i don't know |
| 21:57:38 | captain_proton | we're moving to our own xml model format though |
| 21:57:48 | scanline | cool |
| 21:58:04 | scanline | i noticed that bzflag's models were just C code :) |
| 21:58:04 | captain_proton | not that it solves your problem |
| 21:58:08 | scanline | yeah.. |
| 21:58:41 | scanline | might be easy to do a little perl script or something to convert an ASCII 3d format to C code |
| 21:59:43 | captain_proton | you might look around for '3dconv' (iirc) |
| 22:01:54 | scanline | aha... |
| 22:02:16 | scanline | the alias/wavefront .obj format is very simple, and someone wrote a blender plugin for it precisely because of this |
| 22:02:46 | iLLf8d | hmm |
| 22:06:11 | iLL_Away | is away: iLLf8d is gone... auto_bzflag after 15 min [no logging or pager so don't bother] |
| 22:32:49 | BZFlag | they won't be C code anymore. |
| 22:32:59 | captain_proton | hey BZFlag |
| 22:32:59 | BZFlag | they will be model files. |
| 22:33:01 | BZFlag | heya |
| 22:33:03 | captain_proton | welcome to the world of the living |
| 22:33:24 | BZFlag | heh, has to happen now and then |
| 22:33:40 | captain_proton | how goes it? |
| 22:34:05 | BZFlag | fine, got my laptop fixed, about to move back to it. |
| 22:34:11 | captain_proton | cool |
| 22:34:30 | Chestal | anyone has the same problem as I? with dri enabled, the small tank indicatign which menu item is active cannot be seen |
| 22:34:31 | BZFlag | then I'll test my world rescaling changes. |
| 22:34:41 | BZFlag | world files are gonna break again. |
| 22:34:47 | Chestal | world rescaling? |
| 22:34:57 | BZFlag | sizes *= 1000 |
| 22:35:20 | BZFlag | prep work for the integer conversion |
| 22:35:22 | captain_proton | what does that mean in terms of world files (since we're going to make the world size variable)? |
| 22:35:48 | BZFlag | same they need to get *= 1000 or everything will be very small. ;-) |
| 22:36:02 | captain_proton | i'm just thinking data types |
| 22:36:14 | BZFlag | ponders 30 mm high buildings. |
| 22:36:33 | captain_proton | long i guess |
| 22:36:49 | captain_proton | 2100 km is big enough for me =} |
| 22:36:51 | BZFlag | have not changed any data types yet, just the scaling so that we can change them |
| 22:36:57 | BZFlag | heh |
| 22:39:03 | Chestal | so, 32 bit floats to 32 bit ints? |
| 22:40:17 | BZFlag | yes. it would be nice to get a lot of the math into ints generally and then just have the redering do floats (or whatever mesa does internally) |
| 22:47:26 | captain_proton | sees a few particles |
| 22:47:39 | Chestal | don't drink so much |
| 22:47:51 | captain_proton | haw haw |
| 22:48:02 | Chestal | hmm, this transcode stuff is confusing |
| 22:48:11 | captain_proton | what are you trying to do with it? |
| 22:48:31 | Chestal | recode a 23.98 fps divx to 25fps for PAL playback (width speedup) |
| 22:48:37 | Chestal | with, even |
| 22:48:44 | captain_proton | ah hrm |
| 22:49:00 | captain_proton | i only use it to convert 29.98 fps mpg to 29.98 fps divx ;) |
| 22:49:56 | Chestal | so, basically I just change the fps of the avi, extract the audio with tcextract, decode it to wav, resample it with sox to a higher frequency (25/23.98), compress it to mp3 again with lame and then use transcode to merge the original video stream with the new audio stream |
| 22:50:23 | Chestal | I do not understand two things: mergign taks forever, I suspect it is recoding my mp3 once more, althoguh it shouldn't |
| 22:50:37 | Chestal | and the resultign file size is smaller than I woudl have expected, although the result seems to work fine |
| 22:56:12 | Chestal | hm, I got strange trailing noise |
| 22:56:44 | Chestal | ah, it's part of the movie :-) |
| 22:57:11 | captain_proton | heh |
| 23:22:35 | Chestal | damn bash |
| 23:22:41 | Chestal | how do I pipe stderr? |
| 23:23:53 | captain_proton | 2> |
| 23:24:28 | Chestal | I want to pipe it, not redirect |
| 23:24:38 | Chestal | I guess 2>&1 will work for me |
| 23:24:43 | Chestal | stdout is empty anyway |
| 23:24:48 | Chestal | silly syntax that is |
| 23:25:31 | Chestal | with tcsh it's simply |& |
| 23:25:45 | Chestal | onyl thign that's comlicated with tcsh is to redirect stderr only |
| 23:31:39 | captain_proton | ITS GETTING CLOSE! |
| 23:44:10 | vogon_jeltz | is back (gone 07:55:33) |
| 23:45:39 | captain_proton | sees particles |
| 23:47:38 | scanline | cool! What will the particle systems be used for? |
| 23:48:13 | captain_proton | at least rain & snow, hopefully explosions and smoke too |
| 23:48:18 | scanline | neat! |
| 23:48:44 | scanline | hmm.. any plans for water in bzflag? It would be neat to have an obstacle you can see and shoot across, but not drive through |
| 23:49:17 | captain_proton | i don't know - could be interesting |
| 23:51:09 | captain_proton | its possible that there might be a material property for 'driveable' |
| 23:52:36 | captain_proton | odd... |
| 23:52:44 | captain_proton | i've defined both the start and end colors to be (1,1,1,1) |
| 23:52:49 | captain_proton | but i see some colorful particles |
| 23:52:59 | Chestal | tests his PAL conversion script (doing no error checkign whatsoever) with twin peaks episode 1 |
| 23:56:06 | captain_proton | erk... |
| 23:56:09 | captain_proton | i need to talk to crs |
| 23:56:47 | Chestal | how do you create those particles? |
| 23:57:10 | Chestal | is there support in GL? special libs you're using? doing it all yourself? |
| 23:57:49 | captain_proton | each particle draws as a billboarded quad (or at least it will once i get the billboarding working) |
| 23:58:18 | captain_proton | the system itself has facilities for start and end colors, sizes, etc |