| 00:14:27 | vogon_jeltz | heh |
| 00:14:28 | vogon_jeltz | I'm here |
| 00:14:47 | captain_proton | w00! 7-2 on the teams! |
| 00:14:59 | vogon_jeltz | heh |
| 00:17:28 | vogon_jeltz | what kind of trivia? |
| 00:17:44 | captain_proton | general computer trivia |
| 00:17:52 | vogon_jeltz | (give me an example question) |
| 00:17:57 | captain_proton | What mode must an interface be in for it to accept packets that are not destined for it? |
| 00:17:58 | vogon_jeltz | hah |
| 00:18:02 | vogon_jeltz | question? |
| 00:18:08 | vogon_jeltz | promiscuous |
| 00:18:13 | captain_proton | yeup |
| 00:18:22 | vogon_jeltz | (note: I'm uber-lagged; I'm not that stupid :) |
| 00:18:37 | captain_proton | didn't seem too lagged to me |
| 00:19:06 | vogon_jeltz | heh |
| 00:19:11 | vogon_jeltz | shrugs |
| 00:19:22 | captain_proton | you should stop in |
| 01:21:49 | captain_proton | hey tim |
| 01:45:40 | captain_proton | hey JeffM2501 |
| 01:46:51 | JeffM2501 | hey |
| 01:53:17 | captain_proton | get my email about the new base files? |
| 01:55:37 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 01:55:45 | JeffM2501 | can't seem to dl them tho |
| 01:55:51 | captain_proton | no? |
| 01:56:00 | JeffM2501 | well let me try from here |
| 01:56:04 | JeffM2501 | I was trying at work |
| 01:57:16 | JeffM2501 | nope dosn't work here ether |
| 01:57:28 | captain_proton | care to check the url? |
| 01:57:53 | JeffM2501 | http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/basefiles.zip |
| 01:58:55 | captain_proton | oh wait - could be a problem with DNS |
| 01:59:07 | captain_proton | try this one: http://jupiter.bolognia.net/basefiles.zip |
| 01:59:48 | JeffM2501 | yeah got it |
| 02:00:22 | captain_proton | i've made some minor changes to the document class but nothing major |
| 02:00:37 | captain_proton | here's what I'm thinking for a generic interface: the document class passes messages between everything |
| 02:00:50 | captain_proton | there's 1 global document, and 3 global window classes |
| 02:00:55 | captain_proton | each of these has a common interface |
| 02:01:02 | JeffM2501 | well on windows the messages are handled byt eh views |
| 02:01:25 | JeffM2501 | the doc should just be an API to the file |
| 02:01:42 | captain_proton | in my code i have a class responsible for each window - can you do that? |
| 02:01:44 | JeffM2501 | anthing that relates to viewing the data is independed |
| 02:01:48 | JeffM2501 | as do I |
| 02:02:02 | captain_proton | ok |
| 02:02:19 | JeffM2501 | the main window has a pointer to the doc, and ptrs to the 2 dialogs |
| 02:02:27 | JeffM2501 | and they have ptrs to the doc too |
| 02:02:37 | JeffM2501 | the main window is the lynchpin |
| 02:02:58 | captain_proton | ok |
| 02:04:13 | JeffM2501 | then anyone could use the world class in an editor |
| 02:04:23 | JeffM2501 | even a command line one if they so wanted |
| 02:04:31 | captain_proton | good point |
| 02:05:04 | JeffM2501 | that's how I did it when I made the edior API for Treadmarks |
| 02:05:19 | captain_proton | treadmarks? |
| 02:05:28 | JeffM2501 | a PC tank game |
| 02:05:43 | captain_proton | hrm ok |
| 02:05:54 | JeffM2501 | yeah noone knows about it :) |
| 02:06:08 | captain_proton | it sounds vaguely familiar |
| 02:06:10 | JeffM2501 | won a bunch of awards at GDC couple years back |
| 02:06:53 | captain_proton | ok - so would you care to redesign the document class? |
| 02:07:00 | captain_proton | i'm about to go take another beating :) |
| 02:07:12 | JeffM2501 | not yet |
| 02:07:18 | JeffM2501 | I'm doong the rendering stuff now |
| 02:07:27 | JeffM2501 | so we can do the sorting on texture and Z |
| 02:08:10 | JeffM2501 | keep going wiht it, i'm sure it'll all work out in the end :) |
| 02:10:53 | captain_proton | is away: getting beat up, again |
| 02:11:20 | vogon_jeltz | wth do you keep taking beatings? |
| 02:11:46 | captain_proton | because i get to give them, too |
| 02:12:30 | vogon_jeltz | ooh |
| 02:17:21 | JeffM2501 | be back in abit gotta make diner |
| 03:51:38 | captain_proton | is back (gone 01:40:44) |
| 05:21:04 | captain_proton | JeffM2501: around? |
| 05:26:26 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 05:26:38 | captain_proton | how goes the texture stuff? |
| 05:27:17 | JeffM2501 | got the new model classes working, using them for ground and walls, just need to do the others |
| 05:28:05 | captain_proton | how long do you think it'll be? i'd like to get it combined with my stuff before I reimplement all the UI functionality |
| 05:28:32 | JeffM2501 | ohh i'll proalby be done tomrowo |
| 05:28:45 | captain_proton | hrm |
| 05:28:47 | JeffM2501 | or later tonigh |
| 05:28:58 | captain_proton | can you send me what you've got now so I can figure out how to integrate it? |
| 05:29:31 | JeffM2501 | all it does is change the object classes dosn't affect interface |
| 05:29:46 | JeffM2501 | and the machine it's on is in use :( |
| 05:30:09 | captain_proton | ahh |
| 05:30:23 | JeffM2501 | so you can go on wiht the interface stuff |
| 05:30:30 | JeffM2501 | it's all back end |
| 05:30:31 | captain_proton | okees |
| 05:31:14 | captain_proton | i've almost got the interface built to the same design as yours |
| 05:31:20 | captain_proton | still have all the callbacks to do |
| 05:31:33 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 05:34:04 | JeffM2501 | I still have to merger your changes in to my stuff |
| 05:34:39 | captain_proton | you might as well wait until I integrate your new stuff into it |
| 05:34:56 | JeffM2501 | or I could integrate my new stuff into it |
| 05:35:11 | captain_proton | very true |
| 05:35:50 | captain_proton | at some point we should work out config options and a file format...but that can wait |
| 05:36:05 | JeffM2501 | all we need is a structure |
| 05:36:15 | JeffM2501 | on windows I'll keep it in the registry |
| 05:37:04 | JeffM2501 | then it works for multi users |
| 05:37:17 | JeffM2501 | prefs and options should be wraped up in an API |
| 05:38:03 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 05:38:11 | captain_proton | i can write a GConf interface for it too |
| 05:38:30 | JeffM2501 | whatever that is :) |
| 05:38:38 | captain_proton | like the registry, but on steroids |
| 05:38:42 | JeffM2501 | ahhh |
| 05:39:21 | JeffM2501 | just don't tie it to something specific, what if someone takes it to a mac :) |
| 05:39:50 | captain_proton | well, thats why we need to write an API |
| 05:39:58 | captain_proton | then people can reimplement it in whatever manner they like |
| 05:40:11 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 05:40:28 | captain_proton | i was thinking it might be nice to write a VFS interface too |
| 05:40:35 | JeffM2501 | VFS? |
| 05:40:40 | captain_proton | virtual file system |
| 05:40:48 | captain_proton | to abstract file stuff |
| 05:41:03 | captain_proton | due to different formats (\ vs / and such) |
| 05:41:14 | JeffM2501 | maybe, I'd wory about other stuff |
| 05:41:16 | JeffM2501 | first |
| 05:41:21 | captain_proton | yeah of course |
| 05:41:49 | JeffM2501 | we arn't doing anything realy wacky wiht files |
| 05:42:15 | captain_proton | no |
| 05:42:31 | captain_proton | actually i don't think it matters at all |
| 05:42:44 | captain_proton | so long as nobody uses the loadAll function in the texture manager :) |
| 05:43:00 | captain_proton | because the file selector things for each platform should return a valid path |
| 05:43:22 | JeffM2501 | or if load all gets ported to be proper on each system |
| 05:43:32 | JeffM2501 | then it just deals wiht the texture title |
| 05:44:32 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 05:44:45 | captain_proton | i don't think its good to use it though |
| 05:45:05 | captain_proton | since at least on linux there's more stuff in the data directory than just the textures |
| 05:45:08 | captain_proton | unless.... |
| 05:45:10 | captain_proton | thinks |
| 05:47:42 | captain_proton | I could convert the list icons to xpm's and compile them in |
| 05:48:01 | captain_proton | the toolbar icons are already compiled in... |
| 05:48:05 | JeffM2501 | that would follow what windows and mac would do |
| 05:48:32 | captain_proton | except i bet windows and mac don't define the icons as 2D character arrays :) |
| 05:49:12 | captain_proton | the xpm format is really pretty cool |
| 05:49:13 | JeffM2501 | there are ways |
| 05:49:23 | JeffM2501 | custom font maps |
| 05:50:11 | captain_proton | hey - in the dropdown in the element list, what order are the options in? |
| 05:50:14 | JeffM2501 | for the list Icons all I had to do was give it the res and I was cool |
| 05:50:27 | JeffM2501 | same order as the enumerated type |
| 05:50:38 | JeffM2501 | +1 |
| 05:50:43 | JeffM2501 | for the "all" choice |
| 05:51:00 | captain_proton | so the order is this: all, boxes, pyramids, teleporters, links, bases ? |
| 05:51:24 | JeffM2501 | yeah that sounds right |
| 05:51:41 | captain_proton | ok |
| 05:51:56 | JeffM2501 | its in my code, in ElementListDlog.cpp |
| 05:52:05 | JeffM2501 | in the OnInitDialog func |
| 05:52:55 | captain_proton | almost have the interface all prototyped out :) |
| 05:54:13 | captain_proton | do you know the default sizes for your windows? |
| 05:56:05 | JeffM2501 | no not off hand |
| 05:56:13 | JeffM2501 | I don't spec them curently |
| 05:56:26 | captain_proton | ok i'll fudge it |
| 05:57:36 | JeffM2501 | it dosn't realy mater |
| 06:33:18 | captain_proton | hey tim |
| 07:41:49 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: nobody believes i'm 18 because i kicked ass in trivia |
| 07:42:06 | vogon_jeltz | hehe |
| 07:42:11 | vogon_jeltz | you have a log? |
| 07:42:26 | captain_proton | not of the trivia, no |
| 07:42:31 | vogon_jeltz | damn |
| 07:42:40 | vogon_jeltz | wanted to test his brain against the questions |
| 07:43:06 | captain_proton | lol |
| 07:43:20 | captain_proton | <Brad> how old r u? |
| 07:43:25 | captain_proton | <evil_enchilada> 18 |
| 07:43:30 | captain_proton | <JP> god damn |
| 07:43:35 | captain_proton | <Brad> your 18 and that smart? |
| 07:43:39 | captain_proton | <JP> make sure you lock your doors tonight evil |
| 07:43:43 | captain_proton | <Brad> you kicked ass in trivia |
| 07:43:50 | captain_proton | * Matty_Cross thinks Brad is compiling a list to stalk the AO users |
| 07:43:55 | captain_proton | :) |
| 07:44:45 | captain_proton | lol - you'll like this: |
| 07:44:54 | captain_proton | i have a friend who can't decide whether he likes vi or emacs better |
| 07:45:02 | captain_proton | so he's going to write a script to randomly choose one for him |
| 07:45:07 | vogon_jeltz | lol |
| 07:45:09 | captain_proton | but he can't decide what editor to write it with |
| 07:45:23 | captain_proton | so after some advice from me, he's going to write it in ed |
| 07:45:27 | captain_proton | now, he needs a language |
| 07:45:30 | captain_proton | i suggested prolog |
| 07:45:36 | vogon_jeltz | haha |
| 07:45:52 | captain_proton | at least it'll be logical ;) |
| 07:46:09 | captain_proton | admires the new bzedit interface |
| 07:46:16 | vogon_jeltz | has smitten yet another ad provider |
| 07:46:28 | vogon_jeltz | gotta love DNS blackholing |
| 07:47:16 | captain_proton | lol |
| 07:47:43 | vogon_jeltz | [nerdman@fortytwo nerdman]$ grep 0.0.0.0 /etc/hosts | wc -l |
| 07:47:43 | vogon_jeltz | 391 |
| 07:47:58 | captain_proton | rofl |
| 07:48:32 | vogon_jeltz | those are 391 fewer hosts that can provide ads to me ;) |
| 07:48:46 | captain_proton | ha |
| 07:48:53 | captain_proton | damn...he can't do it in prolog |
| 07:48:59 | vogon_jeltz | when I pull up LinuxGames, it's completely ad-free |
| 07:49:03 | captain_proton | no exec command, and no random numbers |
| 07:49:19 | vogon_jeltz | heh |
| 07:49:25 | vogon_jeltz | do it in shell |
| 07:49:32 | captain_proton | shell is BORING |
| 07:53:05 | captain_proton | http://jupiter.bolognia.net/bzedit.png |
| 07:53:17 | captain_proton | uptime wars! |
| 07:53:26 | captain_proton | 12:54am up 2 days, 1:25, 6 users, load average: 0.04, 0.09, 0.03 |
| 07:53:45 | vogon_jeltz | 11:54pm up 3 days, 20:41, 2 users, load average: 0.07, 0.08, 0.14 |
| 07:53:45 | vogon_jeltz | :P |
| 07:54:06 | vogon_jeltz | and, except for my 10-minute load average, my load is higher |
| 07:54:26 | captain_proton | i'm running lots of terms, bzedit, mozilla, gaim, and xchat |
| 07:54:26 | captain_proton | :) |
| 07:54:48 | vogon_jeltz | blackholes *another* ad provider |
| 07:57:48 | captain_proton | at some point i want your hosts.deny file :) |
| 07:57:58 | vogon_jeltz | heh |
| 07:58:08 | vogon_jeltz | they're not in hosts.deny, just hosts |
| 07:58:21 | vogon_jeltz | you just tell it to resolve them to 0.0.0.0 |
| 07:58:23 | captain_proton | ok |
| 07:58:28 | captain_proton | give me hosts then |
| 07:58:32 | vogon_jeltz | hah |
| 07:58:34 | vogon_jeltz | 393 of them? |
| 07:58:35 | captain_proton | :) |
| 07:58:39 | vogon_jeltz | has added another 2 |
| 07:58:49 | vogon_jeltz | just add them as you go along |
| 07:58:49 | captain_proton | how about you give it to me when it hits 500? |
| 07:58:53 | vogon_jeltz | k |
| 08:23:07 | captain_proton | like that interface? |
| 08:23:56 | vogon_jeltz | haven't looked at it |
| 08:24:03 | captain_proton | well look |
| 08:24:52 | vogon_jeltz | whoa, cool |
| 08:25:12 | vogon_jeltz | is it available for DL? :) |
| 08:25:25 | captain_proton | all it is right now is a backend and an interface |
| 08:25:27 | captain_proton | no hooks yhet |
| 08:25:28 | vogon_jeltz | ahh |
| 08:25:28 | captain_proton | yet |
| 08:25:46 | captain_proton | soon, soon |
| 08:26:13 | captain_proton | jeffM is going to get me his new sorting code, and then he's going to rewrite the windows interface to be pure win32, not mfc |
| 08:26:33 | vogon_jeltz | w00t :) |
| 08:26:42 | BZFlag | 1:28am up 44 days, 2:04, 1 user, load average: 0.13, 0.19, 0.13 |
| 08:27:03 | captain_proton | damn you BZFlag |
| 08:27:11 | BZFlag | that's the list server. |
| 08:27:14 | vogon_jeltz | heh |
| 08:27:17 | captain_proton | lol |
| 08:27:22 | BZFlag | 8:27am up 177 days, 13:13, 7 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 |
| 08:27:31 | vogon_jeltz | kicks the BRS on both of them |
| 08:27:32 | BZFlag | and that's ibot |
| 08:27:33 | captain_proton | ssh's to the cu mail server |
| 08:28:07 | captain_proton | damn its being slow |
| 08:28:19 | captain_proton | BZFlag: what about your normal machine? |
| 08:29:01 | captain_proton | bah - server only up 6 days |
| 08:29:29 | BZFlag | well, the list server (rikers.org) is my home server. you want my laptop? i just watched a dvd in widows so I lost my uptime there. |
| 08:29:44 | BZFlag | 01:25:49 up 1 day, 10:09, 3 users, load average: 0.00, 0.02, 0.00 |
| 08:29:56 | captain_proton | lost your uptime for a dvd? why? |
| 08:30:02 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: dual boot |
| 08:30:11 | captain_proton | why not watch it in leenoox? |
| 08:30:21 | BZFlag | xine would not read it. |
| 08:30:27 | captain_proton | bizzare |
| 08:30:34 | BZFlag | that's what I thought. |
| 08:30:36 | captain_proton | you do know that xine supports dvd menus now... |
| 08:30:52 | BZFlag | yeah, it's worked for me on other discs. |
| 08:31:00 | BZFlag | this was shrek |
| 08:31:11 | captain_proton | hrm |
| 08:31:16 | captain_proton | has that on CD (don't tell anyone) |
| 08:31:25 | captain_proton | good movie |
| 08:31:28 | BZFlag | worked fine on windvd =( |
| 08:31:41 | BZFlag | captain_proton: vcd? send it to me!!!! ;-) |
| 08:31:51 | captain_proton | not vcd - its divx |
| 08:32:06 | BZFlag | oooh, even better. |
| 08:32:14 | captain_proton | i'll send it when i move back on campus |
| 08:32:20 | BZFlag | sweet. |
| 08:32:24 | captain_proton | sending a 670mb file over 56k would suck :) |
| 08:32:30 | BZFlag | agreed |
| 08:32:37 | vogon_jeltz | haha |
| 08:32:41 | captain_proton | i've got some other good stuff too |
| 08:32:45 | captain_proton | all of enterprise so far |
| 08:32:49 | captain_proton | all of andromeda so far |
| 08:32:57 | captain_proton | all of lexx (crappy show but funny) |
| 08:32:58 | BZFlag | oh, nice. |
| 08:33:04 | captain_proton | some random movies |
| 08:33:09 | vogon_jeltz | needs RD eps |
| 08:33:12 | BZFlag | cutting your own? |
| 08:33:18 | captain_proton | lol ya |
| 08:33:20 | captain_proton | no |
| 08:33:25 | captain_proton | confuses himself |
| 08:33:32 | captain_proton | no, not cutting them myself |
| 08:33:33 | BZFlag | wishes his dvd would play divx ;-) |
| 08:33:42 | captain_proton | pulling them off irc |
| 08:33:46 | captain_proton | BZFlag: xine :) |
| 08:34:00 | BZFlag | I mean the one in my rack. |
| 08:34:06 | captain_proton | ohhh |
| 08:34:12 | BZFlag | I don't have a pc there (yet) |
| 08:34:13 | captain_proton | is probably going to start a rack |
| 08:34:18 | captain_proton | beginning with an mp3 server |
| 08:34:52 | captain_proton | i priced out everything: 60GB, 700mhz, 256mb box, 1U, $514 |
| 08:35:04 | BZFlag | I need to setup an automated dvd->divx system and then sigh up on netflix ;-) |
| 08:35:06 | captain_proton | onboard 10/100 eth, creative sound |
| 08:35:26 | captain_proton | i was thinking to write some software for it to both play on the sound card and stream over the lan |
| 08:35:50 | captain_proton | taking requests remotely of course |
| 08:37:28 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: about rd, i may have to cut them myself after i get the hardware, since almmost all the ones i've found online are .rm |
| 08:38:10 | captain_proton | BZFlag: if you do set up that dvd->divx system, send me all the stuff you rip :) |
| 08:38:31 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: heh... thx :) |
| 08:42:01 | BZFlag | captain_proton: heh. how about I send you the stuff to rip your own? ;-) |
| 08:42:27 | BZFlag | seriously, who knows when I'll find the time to set it up. |
| 09:26:19 | captain_proton | kills something |
| 09:29:41 | vogon_jeltz | is away: TV |
| 10:07:34 | vogon_jeltz | is back (gone 00:37:52) |
| 11:42:20 | vogon_jeltz | is away: sl33p |
| 20:52:59 | abs | lo fellas |
| 22:56:50 | vogon_jeltz | is back (gone 11:14:26) |
| 22:56:54 | captain_proton | wb |
| 22:57:03 | vogon_jeltz | thx :) |
