| 00:10:20 | vogon_jeltz | is away: watching Tv |
| 00:10:24 | vogon_jeltz | is away: watching TV |
| 00:57:47 | vogon|tv | is back (gone 00:47:26) |
| 01:29:22 | Valoche | hello |
| 01:29:29 | vogon_jeltz | hi |
| 01:29:48 | Valoche | okay, it works... I see you sunday |
| 01:31:44 | vogon_jeltz | rehi, cap |
| 05:32:53 | vogon_jeltz | is away: watching SNL |
| 06:53:04 | vogon_jeltz | is back (gone 01:20:10) |
| 09:09:13 | I_KalamBa | hi |
| 09:12:44 | I_KalamBa | hi anyone alive? |
| 09:12:49 | I_KalamBa | ?????? |
| 09:12:49 | I_KalamBa | ? |
| 09:22:16 | vogon_jeltz | maybe |
| 09:30:12 | I_KalamBa | hi |
| 09:30:18 | vogon_jeltz | hi |
| 09:30:27 | I_KalamBa | oh yeah |
| 09:53:38 | vogon_jeltz | is away: watching SNL reruns |
| 10:52:52 | I_KalamBa | a |
| 15:12:19 | I_KalamBa | ? |
| 15:32:38 | lupinator | howdy |
| 15:32:48 | menotume | greetings |
| 15:33:27 | menotume | I heaer there is to be a big party here in a while |
| 15:34:40 | menotume | still there? |
| 15:34:44 | lupinator | nyep |
| 15:34:56 | lupinator | nbz soiled me |
| 15:35:19 | menotume | this is my first time on irc |
| 15:35:41 | menotume | i see you type 'n' b4 messages (wonder why ) :) |
| 15:35:47 | lupinator | ni still keep hitting n |
| 15:35:56 | menotume | hehe |
| 15:36:35 | I_KalamBa | nhe hehe? |
| 15:36:43 | I_KalamBa | msorry |
| 15:36:46 | lupinator | does anyone want to play on ducati? i need to get in shape for the tournament |
| 15:36:50 | lupinator | mnp |
| 15:37:14 | menotume | ni can't play from here - at the office |
| 15:37:22 | menotume | nvid card stinks |
| 15:37:34 | lupinator | ni see |
| 15:37:46 | I_KalamBa | ok thats engogh. stop 'n'ing |
| 15:37:58 | menotume | msorry |
| 15:38:09 | lupinator | hehe |
| 15:38:11 | I_KalamBa | im in now, alone |
| 15:38:30 | I_KalamBa | is really the @callsign works? |
| 15:38:37 | menotume | yes - works great |
| 15:39:56 | I_KalamBa | the new ver crushers alot! |
| 15:41:50 | lupinator | do you know if i can get X (or dri) to sync with my monitor? |
| 15:42:25 | menotume | huh? X-Windows? |
| 15:42:50 | lupinator | yup |
| 15:42:56 | I_KalamBa | what u mean, loopy? |
| 15:43:27 | menotume | yuk - XF86Config, hate that stuff |
| 15:43:41 | lupinator | bzflag is rendering faster than my monitor refreshes |
| 15:44:48 | lupinator | perhaps there is a way to get bzflag waiting |
| 15:44:50 | menotume | hmmm. Never had any luck fine tuning all the rates in XF86Config. Got to see if you can find one for your monitor. |
| 15:48:41 | I_KalamBa | new version is good idea but crushers alot when trying to chat and i can't use server command /lagstats |
| 16:01:22 | I_KalamBa | we can't use this ver in the tournement |
| 16:55:43 | menotume | OK, so who was Big Brother? |
| 16:55:55 | lupinator | nme |
| 16:55:59 | lupinator | nargh again |
| 16:56:04 | menotume | thought so |
| 16:56:17 | menotume | they should have an 'n' filter for this thing |
| 16:56:56 | lupinator | or we should work on an irc interface for bzflag |
| 16:56:57 | menotume | Chestal, this is your party ... r u here? |
| 16:57:02 | Chestal | yes |
| 16:57:06 | menotume | great |
| 16:57:09 | Chestal | I am on time :-) |
| 16:57:31 | menotume | wasn't sure if i had my UTC conversioon right :) |
| 16:57:51 | Chestal | menotume: where are you from? |
| 16:58:01 | Chestal | I wonder if capn will show up |
| 16:58:09 | menotume | Pennsyvania (USA) - near Philadelphia |
| 16:58:32 | Chestal | used IRC before? |
| 16:58:37 | menotume | no, first time |
| 16:58:59 | lupinator | at least capn is the one we need to do the work |
| 16:59:12 | Chestal | he didn't answer my last email yet |
| 16:59:35 | menotume | is ezboard down?, couldn't get to bzflag board |
| 16:59:35 | Chestal | if he doesn't come,mayeb it's best that someone else does the registration stuff |
| 16:59:43 | Chestal | hmm, I used the board this afternoon |
| 17:00:30 | menotume | what is required for the registration? |
| 17:00:36 | menotume | email list? |
| 17:00:40 | Chestal | well, depends on how we will do it |
| 17:00:45 | menotume | i have a website if it would help |
| 17:00:57 | Chestal | a website might be a good idea. We could collect all vital information there |
| 17:01:16 | Chestal | registratin itself could be done via email, a web form or just using the forum |
| 17:01:17 | menotume | it's available if we want it |
| 17:01:39 | menotume | i could do a simple Perlscript maybe |
| 17:02:02 | Chestal | what information do we want from participants? callsign and email address? |
| 17:02:23 | menotume | I guess, can't think of anything else |
| 17:02:24 | Chestal | hmm, cannot get to the forum right now |
| 17:02:38 | menotume | i'ts been down for me for a couple of hours |
| 17:03:03 | lupinator | greetings from Murphy |
| 17:03:29 | menotume | greets |
| 17:03:32 | Chestal | a mailing list or somethign similar would be useful, at least one way to keep all who have registrated informed |
| 17:04:43 | Chestal | btw.: looks like the US doing air attacks on Afghanistan |
| 17:04:52 | menotume | OK, my Perl skills are rusty , but I'll look for a premade script and see if something will fit our bill |
| 17:05:05 | menotume | oh man, hope we know what we are doing . |
| 17:05:27 | Chestal | I have beenwithout news for hours, so this might be old for you |
| 17:05:51 | menotume | i heard that it was in the works, but am at office without TV |
| 17:06:05 | Chestal | at the office on Sunday? |
| 17:06:12 | Chestal | (I am also in the office :-) |
| 17:06:16 | lupinator | just turned on TV |
| 17:06:23 | menotume | Yes. Have a trade show coming up - must get new product ready |
| 17:06:28 | menotume | :) |
| 17:07:01 | menotume | Maybe we should start by registering thru ezboard. |
| 17:07:23 | menotume | if i can find a decnet Perlscript, could set up a maillist/form on my website. |
| 17:07:28 | Chestal | maybe we should discuss things besides the registration first, because CapN opted to to theregistration and he might still show up |
| 17:07:34 | menotume | sure |
| 17:08:05 | Chestal | well, I think we already decided to use the current ducatisettings, i.e. 2 shots+rico+all flags? |
| 17:08:20 | lupinator | i vote against flags |
| 17:08:53 | Chestal | without my lasr I am helpless :-) |
| 17:08:54 | menotume | no preference here - I probably won;t last the first round anyway :) |
| 17:09:41 | menotume | whatever the settings, they should be consistant throughout the tourny ... then maybe change them for second go. |
| 17:09:49 | Chestal | yep, I agree |
| 17:10:10 | Chestal | wemight even do a jumping tournament, although I don't like it at all. But not the first time |
| 17:10:20 | lupinator | eek |
| 17:10:42 | Chestal | let's say that we get enough players to participate, say we get 30 players. We will want to play in rounds then |
| 17:10:58 | Chestal | with each round consisting of n battles with m tanks each |
| 17:11:08 | Chestal | m=5 ? |
| 17:11:10 | menotume | perhaps differnet 'divisions' ... monday nite, wed nite - could have different settings? |
| 17:11:23 | lupinator | 5 is good |
| 17:11:56 | Chestal | woudl we use all 5 teams orplay with5 rogues? |
| 17:12:33 | lupinator | 1 player / team would be nice |
| 17:12:41 | menotume | might be earier to ID for observers if all teams |
| 17:12:43 | Chestal | using all teams it's easy to tell who is who, but I hate those blue tanks :-) |
| 17:13:06 | menotume | would you preassign times slots for players? |
| 17:13:13 | Chestal | hmm, good question |
| 17:13:29 | Chestal | if we play with a time limit for each round that would be possible |
| 17:13:42 | menotume | could get difficult to cooridinate |
| 17:13:45 | Chestal | other option would be to play to a max. score |
| 17:14:07 | Chestal | or we could use both, round ends when either max scor is reached or time is over |
| 17:14:14 | lupinator | problem with time limit: what to do with equal scores? |
| 17:14:25 | Chestal | hmm, ok, queal scores might be a problem |
| 17:14:49 | Chestal | could this happen with max. score also? |
| 17:15:01 | lupinator | don't think so |
| 17:15:04 | menotume | or, max score could take forever with evenly matched players :) |
| 17:15:19 | Chestal | yes, problem with max score is that it is very unpredictable |
| 17:15:36 | lupinator | especially in later rounds |
| 17:15:41 | menotume | yep |
| 17:16:21 | menotume | i'd say timed games, if tie, just extend the time - or sudden death |
| 17:16:23 | Chestal | with timed play, we wouldn't have to use the server's features to enforce the time limit, we could do with a soft one, i.e. some referee decides when the game is over |
| 17:16:32 | menotume | yes. |
| 17:17:14 | Chestal | with using -tiem feature of bzfs each player woudl see the remaining seconds at all times |
| 17:17:35 | menotume | could do that - if tie, have another (shorter) match to decide |
| 17:18:52 | lupinator | we could decide by the kill ratio, too |
| 17:19:15 | lupinator | same score + same kill ratio really should not happen |
| 17:19:29 | Chestal | probably not |
| 17:19:30 | menotume | whatever is easiest for you Chestal, could be fined-tuned later. |
| 17:19:58 | menotume | kill ratio is probably a better indication. |
| 17:20:04 | Chestal | well, I don't know. Technically, either way is easy, question is how to organize it best |
| 17:20:20 | Chestal | ok, so we could break a draw this way |
| 17:20:29 | Chestal | won't happen that often anyway I guess |
| 17:20:41 | Chestal | so we all opt for timed game? no score limit? |
| 17:20:48 | lupinator | does -time name a winner, too? like -mps? |
| 17:20:48 | menotume | sounds good |
| 17:21:19 | Chestal | lupinator: I'm not sure |
| 17:21:25 | menotume | me either |
| 17:21:41 | Chestal | lupinator: but we might need 2 (?) winners anyway in the qualifying rounds |
| 17:21:51 | lupinator | yeah, right |
| 17:22:01 | menotume | yes, perhaps top 2 go on to later rounds |
| 17:22:23 | Chestal | I also think 2 is best. Just one would be too harsh and 3 might be too many |
| 17:22:32 | Chestal | depends on the total number of players, though |
| 17:22:50 | Chestal | let's say we got 22 players |
| 17:22:51 | lupinator | so we need somebody to write down the results |
| 17:22:59 | Chestal | we need to distribute them into groups of at most 5 |
| 17:23:21 | Chestal | I think I will do the bookkeeping, thought of making score snapshots using bzfquery.pl |
| 17:23:41 | lupinator | ok |
| 17:23:52 | Chestal | will then later edit those and make them human-readbale |
| 17:24:08 | menotume | sounds good |
| 17:24:29 | Chestal | so, given 22 players we would best make groups of 5, 5, 4, 4, and 4 players? |
| 17:24:55 | Chestal | we need robots to fill those groups of 4 ;-) |
| 17:25:02 | menotume | yes, then how to schedule them |
| 17:25:18 | menotume | or just first come, first served? |
| 17:25:29 | Chestal | basic queastion with schedulign is: do we do battles simultaneously or one after the other? |
| 17:25:50 | Chestal | the other question is how to decide whogoes into which group |
| 17:25:58 | menotume | simultaneously, like multiple ports? |
| 17:26:18 | lupinator | i would do them one after another |
| 17:26:40 | Chestal | menotume: yes, this would be possible |
| 17:26:47 | menotume | might be a good idea to run of non-standard port (not 5155)... |
| 17:26:50 | Chestal | I would also prefer playing them one by one |
| 17:27:07 | menotume | so that non-particapants don;t interfere (unknowingly) |
| 17:27:08 | lupinator | maybe even non-public |
| 17:27:13 | Chestal | nyes, non-standard port is probably better to avoid normal players joining |
| 17:27:21 | Chestal | definitely nun-public |
| 17:27:25 | menotume | hah - you typed 'n'! |
| 17:27:25 | Chestal | eh, non- :-) |
| 17:27:31 | lupinator | ndang |
| 17:27:35 | Chestal | uh, I was just at bzflag |
| 17:28:16 | menotume | trying to find capN? |
| 17:28:27 | Chestal | yep and anyone else who is interested |
| 17:29:06 | Chestal | for the first round we should distribute players randomly among the groups I guess |
| 17:29:44 | Chestal | of course this could lead to very inhomogenous group strengths, there might be groups with 3 or 4 very good players |
| 17:30:25 | Chestal | so some of the best players might be eliminated in the first round already |
| 17:30:35 | menotume | hmmmm |
| 17:30:36 | Chestal | but I do not see any other way |
| 17:31:14 | Chestal | when this is done for sports tournaments the best palyers / teams ar never in the same group |
| 17:31:24 | Chestal | but how would we decide who are the best players a priori? |
| 17:31:48 | menotume | maybe you should get the list of interested players first. Could always let the first 3 continue on the first round only. |
| 17:32:09 | menotume | put all names 'in a hat' and randomly choose |
| 17:32:20 | bz-akira | hello |
| 17:32:21 | bz-akira | hehe |
| 17:32:26 | bz-akira | he is back :)) |
| 17:32:26 | Chestal | hi akira |
| 17:32:31 | lupinator | tach akira |
| 17:32:33 | menotume | greetings |
| 17:32:35 | bz-akira | moin moin |
| 17:32:46 | bz-akira | u r planning a tournament ? |
| 17:32:52 | Chestal | akira: we are discusing some points. Have you been folowing the tournament discussion on the board on www.bzflag.de roughly? |
| 17:33:32 | bz-akira | nope |
| 17:33:53 | bz-akira | the point is i have frozen my bzambitions coz of time... :) |
| 17:34:06 | bz-akira | so didnt code something or read something |
| 17:34:06 | Chestal | akira: ok,w e plan to do it next Saturday on 18:00 UTC on ducati |
| 17:34:13 | bz-akira | but now :) |
| 17:34:24 | bz-akira | its time to kick someones asses :)) |
| 17:34:37 | Chestal | it is a first try, we wil probably run into some provlems and will learn from themfor future tournaments |
| 17:34:43 | bz-akira | will ducati be open for everyone or just for people with a highspeed connection ? |
| 17:35:04 | menotume | there's another difficult issue |
| 17:35:14 | Chestal | that's apoint we haven't discussed yet. We want to play in small groups of 5 tanks each |
| 17:35:22 | Chestal | peopel have to register for the tournament during the next days |
| 17:35:34 | Chestal | we opt for a best 2 out of 5 qualify for next round |
| 17:35:43 | bz-akira | ok |
| 17:35:45 | Chestal | each round is time limited |
| 17:35:49 | bz-akira | ok |
| 17:35:58 | bz-akira | but MY point is performance |
| 17:36:04 | Chestal | we will use 2 shots + rico, haven't decided on whether to use flags |
| 17:36:07 | bz-akira | i HATE to shoot through people ... |
| 17:36:12 | Chestal | yep, I know |
| 17:36:15 | bz-akira | without flags ... |
| 17:36:31 | Chestal | most of the best players have quite accectable lag |
| 17:36:38 | bz-akira | just the skilled gametype :)) |
| 17:36:50 | bz-akira | yeah, a lag around 200 ms is ok for me |
| 17:36:52 | Chestal | but of course there are some good players with too big a lag and a lot of newbies of course |
| 17:37:04 | Chestal | yep everyting up to 250ms should be ok |
| 17:37:04 | bz-akira | but everything over 300 sucks |
| 17:37:17 | Chestal | althoguh even 200ms is annoying when you're fighting narrow |
| 17:37:22 | bz-akira | nyep |
| 17:37:35 | Chestal | but I would liek to postpone this lag discussion |
| 17:37:40 | bz-akira | these skillful player has to start their own tournement in their region |
| 17:38:17 | Chestal | we decided to battle in groups of 5, so each tank can be put into a sperate team |
| 17:38:21 | bz-akira | as long bzflag hasnt the powerfull network code of quake3 we have no other choice |
| 17:38:34 | bz-akira | sound ok |
| 17:38:47 | Chestal | each battle is time limited, we coudl use the server's -time option for this |
| 17:39:01 | Chestal | problem with this is that game starts on the first tank joining |
| 17:39:15 | Chestal | and we haven't decided how long each battle should be |
| 17:39:52 | lupinator | 25 min + 5 break between battles? |
| 17:40:14 | menotume | sounds reasonable |
| 17:40:14 | Chestal | at least 5 minutes break, maybe 10 would be better? |
| 17:40:35 | Chestal | and I think we really need to organzie it here on irc |
| 17:40:54 | Chestal | but I am not sure, if this is ok for everyone |
| 17:41:26 | Chestal | we need to tell the results after each battle and the groups for the next round, so everyone knows when he has to play next |
| 17:41:52 | bz-akira | what a bout a simple html table ? |
| 17:42:16 | bz-akira | arent there any tools in the net around ? |
| 17:43:18 | Chestal | we could do that, of course then we'll only have one way communication |
| 17:43:33 | bz-akira | yeah .. but how else `?? |
| 17:43:35 | Chestal | might be ok for players, but at least the people who want to help organzie should be on irc |
| 17:43:40 | bz-akira | i know something |
| 17:43:44 | bz-akira | i know :)) |
| 17:43:45 | Chestal | would be best for most players, too |
| 17:43:48 | bz-akira | ok, here is the idea |
| 17:44:05 | bz-akira | on icq.com u could download a javaappletircstuff |
| 17:44:12 | bz-akira | i use it on my homepage ... |
| 17:44:32 | bz-akira | so everyone is able to talk to each other without knowing something about irc |
| 17:44:39 | bz-akira | www.uni-magdeburg.de/gumz |
| 17:44:48 | bz-akira | link is on the top ... |
| 17:44:50 | bz-akira | chat |
| 17:45:08 | Chestal | hmm, coudl this be used to join this channel? |
| 17:45:15 | menotume | how does it work - does it use real irc |
| 17:45:15 | bz-akira | i try it |
| 17:45:22 | bz-akira | try it |
| 17:47:56 | menotume | i'm there (in #bzflag) |
| 17:48:04 | bz-akira | where ? |
| 17:48:45 | menotume | the applet at url you gave - created #bzflag group |
| 17:49:16 | bz-akira | ah |
| 17:49:50 | lupinator | hm looks like my jre sucks |
| 17:50:00 | bz-akira | java sucks in general :) |
| 17:50:16 | Chestal | hmm, irc,.iqc.com looking up your hostname, still waiting |
| 17:50:20 | menotume | Crap, boss is back - i have to go |
| 17:50:32 | bz-akira | but so the most people could talk to us ... |
| 17:50:34 | menotume | if needed, my eMail is mark@m-a-t.com |
| 17:50:40 | Chestal | oh, well maybe you'll be back later menotume |
| 17:50:45 | Chestal | thanks |
| 17:50:46 | menotume | yep, will try |
| 17:50:54 | menotume | cya for now |
| 17:50:56 | bz-akira | cya |
| 17:51:25 | lupinator | bye |
| 17:51:36 | Chestal | looks liek the aplet is restricted to conencting to the icq irc server |
| 17:51:49 | bz-akira | i see u logged in, chestal |
| 17:52:04 | bz-akira | and i think, the applet is restricted to connecting :) |
| 17:53:06 | Chestal | hmm, I'll try and connect to that serevr using a normal irc client |
| 17:53:13 | bz-akira | ok |
| 17:53:33 | Chestal | that works |
| 17:53:41 | Chestal | and about 100 times faster :-) |
| 17:55:13 | bz-akira | what channel is it = |
| 17:55:19 | bz-akira | icq.irc. `? |
| 17:56:01 | bz-akira | irc02.icq.com ? |
| 17:56:14 | Chestal | irc.icq.com |
| 18:31:18 | Chestal | hi Ginku! |
| 18:31:36 | Ginku | jetzt hab ichs - das Alter halt ;-) |
| 18:32:11 | Ginku | also wie soll das laufen mit dem Turnier ? herrscht dann geschlossene Gesellschaft ? |
| 18:32:30 | Chestal | mit ANmeldung |
| 18:32:36 | Chestal | Kaempfe dann in kleinen Gruppen |
| 18:32:46 | Chestal | Ginku: liest du das FOrum auf bzflag.de? |
| 18:32:51 | Ginku | wo anmelden - im Forum ?` |
| 18:33:11 | Chestal | GInku: ist noch nicht geklaert, aber da wird auf jeden Fall stehen wie es geht |
| 18:33:14 | Ginku | hi Fanta (ich chatte - geil ) !!!! |
| 18:33:14 | Chestal | hi Fant |
| 18:33:26 | FantaZee | nicht schlecht |
| 18:33:27 | Chestal | ist eigentlcih ein englischsprachiger channel ausserdem |
| 18:33:38 | FantaZee | nbezee versucht es noch |
| 18:33:53 | Ginku | sieht ja keiner - im Moment wenigstens |
| 18:34:20 | Ginku | ab wann soll es los gehen - naechsten Samstag |
| 18:35:11 | FantaZee | sachma ginku liest du denn gar nicht mal das forum bei oma ? |
| 18:35:18 | Chestal | Turneir naechsten Samstag 18:00 UTC |
| 18:35:22 | Chestal | ANemdlkugn wohl ab morgen oder so |
| 18:35:37 | Chestal | wirdalles im Forum bekanntgegeben |
| 18:35:38 | Ginku | ich war übrigens gestern im Forum und hab nichts gesehen - wo muss ich denn da genau hingucken ? |
| 18:35:44 | Chestal | das bloede Forumaleuft ausserdem imMOment nicht :-( |
| 18:35:48 | bz-akira | ganz genau |
| 18:35:50 | bz-akira | :) |
| 18:35:52 | Chestal | Ginku: steht im Hero-Thread |
| 18:35:54 | lupinator | doxh |
| 18:36:00 | Chestal | lupi; gehts wieder? |
| 18:36:02 | bz-akira | wollen wir mal die kommunikation wieder hierher verlagern ? |
| 18:36:04 | Ginku | ahhhh |
| 18:36:04 | lupinator | jupp |
| 18:36:15 | bz-akira | dann ist der webteil jetzt erstmal aus |
| 18:36:40 | Chestal | jo, ok, hier gehts weiter |
| 18:36:46 | Ginku | muss man ja mal gesagt bekommen |
| 18:36:47 | Chestal | meinetwegen deutsch, so lange keiern der USAler aufwacht |
| 18:36:57 | FantaZee | brauch ich jetzt ne 2 monitor lösung um neben dem zocken zu daddeln ? |
| 18:36:59 | Ginku | :-) |
| 18:37:04 | bz-akira | ja |
| 18:37:07 | Chestal | wenns was Neues gibt, werd ich aber nen neuen Thread aufmachen 'Tournament' |
| 18:37:23 | bz-akira | nen dual stereo inverted mono monster screen :) |
| 18:37:38 | FantaZee | nwo gibt's den denn ? |
| 18:37:38 | Chestal | an die Newcomer eien Frage: beim Tureir mit oder ohen Flaggen spielen? |
| 18:37:47 | bz-akira | als tournierpreis :)) |
| 18:37:48 | Ginku | woran sieht Lupi eigentlich, dass ich als root unterwegs bin (verdammt) ? |
| 18:37:50 | bezee | hör auf akira .. der macht das |
| 18:37:52 | Chestal | 2 shots + rico stehen schon fest |
| 18:38:02 | FantaZee | ohne |
| 18:38:03 | Chestal | ginku: /whois ginku |
| 18:38:29 | bz-akira | hat eigentlich mal irgendwer meinen SUPERDUPERpatch ins offizielle uebernommen ? |
| 18:38:38 | lupinator | nochmal: 2 stimmen (ich, tankmann) gegen flaggen |
| 18:38:40 | Chestal | akira: welcher war das? |
| 18:38:53 | bz-akira | der fuer noise bei ... wie heisst doch gleich die flagge |
| 18:38:56 | Chestal | lupi: tankmann soll das selbst sagen :-) |
| 18:39:05 | bz-akira | ich bin GEGEN flaggen |
| 18:39:13 | Chestal | bz-: jamming. ALso im aktuellen CVS hab ich mit software rendering schwarzes radar statt rauschen |
| 18:39:21 | bz-akira | brr |
| 18:39:23 | FantaZee | ach, wenn einer gm hat verfälscht das das ergebnis |
| 18:39:26 | bz-akira | also das war nicht mein kram :)) |
| 18:39:27 | lupinator | Chestal: ich habs versucht aber ich bekomm die faule sau nich hierher |
| 18:39:28 | Chestal | ginku, bezee: wie seht ihr das mit Flaggen? |
| 18:40:03 | bz-akira | damals gings um den performance einbruch auf pckarten wie die tnt2 :) |
| 18:40:08 | Chestal | ich weiss |
| 18:40:10 | Ginku | verstehe wieder mal nur Bahnhof (waehrend des Turniers ?) |
| 18:40:15 | Chestal | ich dacht das sei vielleicht Teil deines Patches |
| 18:40:20 | bezee | hab ich das richtig verstanden...? ohne flaggen? nee! |
| 18:40:24 | Chestal | Ginku: ja, spielen wir mit oder ohen Flaggen beim Turnier? |
| 18:40:26 | bz-akira | den auf schwarz setzen ? |
| 18:40:27 | bz-akira | mhh |
| 18:40:36 | bz-akira | warte mal ... war das nicht ne ueberlegung ? |
| 18:40:41 | bezee | nein .. lieber mit! |
| 18:40:54 | bz-akira | beze hat angst |
| 18:40:55 | bz-akira | beze hat angst |
| 18:40:56 | bz-akira | beze hat angst |
| 18:40:57 | bz-akira | har |
| 18:40:58 | bz-akira | :) |
| 18:41:10 | Ginku | aus meiner Sicht lieber ohne... |
| 18:41:11 | bezee | grmpfl .. |
| 18:41:32 | FantaZee | bezee hat nix zu melden |
| 18:41:35 | Chestal | also es zeichnet sich eine leichte Mehrheit gegen Flaggen ab |
| 18:41:38 | bezee | baeh! |
| 18:41:39 | bz-akira | chestal, das kann sein, das du schwarz siehst .. ich glaub ich hatte das damals mit reingebaut, weil die software renderer das irgendwie sowieso langsam gerendert hatten |
| 18:41:48 | Chestal | oho |
| 18:41:50 | Chestal | hi Tank :-) |
| 18:41:52 | tankmann | hallo, ich bin gegen flaggen |
| 18:41:58 | bz-akira | HAR |
| 18:42:00 | bz-akira | ROFL |
| 18:42:01 | Ginku | nhallo tankmann |
| 18:42:08 | Chestal | heh |
| 18:42:10 | Chestal | das istn fake! |
| 18:42:18 | Chestal | lupi; nicht eifnach zweimal einloggen! |
| 18:42:19 | bz-akira | WIRKLICH ? |
| 18:42:22 | bz-akira | lach |
| 18:42:23 | bezee | nagut .. ich bin auch gegen flaggen .. bin als kleines kind mal in den gm-topf gefallen ;-) |
| 18:42:30 | FantaZee | sind wir da eigentlich cheater sicher ??? |
| 18:42:45 | bz-akira | na ich wuerd meinen, nen cheater wird rausgeschmissen |
| 18:42:46 | Chestal | fantazee: gegen CHeater koenne wir usn nicht wirklich absichern |
| 18:42:53 | Chestal | wenn eienr auffaellt fliegt er halt |
| 18:42:57 | bz-akira | genau |
| 18:43:04 | FantaZee | wäre blöd |
| 18:43:04 | Ginku | eben |
| 18:43:12 | bz-akira | Chestal: also im cvs ist mein patch mit drinn ? |
| 18:43:13 | FantaZee | aber wenn ihr die mittel habt |
| 18:43:19 | bz-akira | oder in deiner version ? |
| 18:43:33 | Chestal | bz-akira: koennte sein, kansn jetzt nicht beschwoeren, frag mallupi oder nen andeern mit 3D-Karte |
| 18:43:42 | bz-akira | lupi |
| 18:43:48 | lupinator | hab keine tnt mehr |
| 18:43:49 | bz-akira | noch da ? |
| 18:43:54 | bz-akira | was haste dann ? |
| 18:43:57 | lupinator | g450 |
| 18:44:05 | bz-akira | matrox oder ? |
| 18:44:07 | bz-akira | na egal |
| 18:44:17 | bz-akira | das problem haette sich bei dir dann trotzdem stellen muessen |
| 18:44:30 | bz-akira | auf welcher version laeufst du grade bz ? |
| 18:44:45 | lupinator | ich habs nur bei meiner alten tnt bemerkt. 2) cvs |
| 18:44:46 | Chestal | also ichhab hier noch einige offene Punkte |
| 18:44:58 | Ginku | ja ? |
| 18:45:05 | bz-akira | ja, kann treiberabhaengig sein, lup |
| 18:45:15 | bz-akira | ich kuck mal den cvs an und sehs ja dann |
| 18:45:18 | Ginku | die offenen Punkte ? |
| 18:45:25 | Chestal | mal gerade ne andere Frage, habt ihreuch IRC extra installiert jetzt oder kanntet ihr das schon? |
| 18:45:35 | bz-akira | ich kannte das schon |
| 18:45:41 | FantaZee | extra für euch |
| 18:45:43 | Chestal | ich versuch rauszufinden wie schwer das fuer Leute ist, die das nicht kennen |
| 18:45:51 | bz-akira | hab mir dazu aber bitchX in unserem sgi pool selber compilieren muessen |
| 18:45:55 | bz-akira | *schiwtz* :)) |
| 18:45:56 | FantaZee | darum hab ich auch den "n" slang |
| 18:45:58 | Chestal | waehrend des Turniers soll die Kommunikation auch ueber irc laufen |
| 18:46:06 | Ginku | also ich habs mir vor ein paar Tagen zufällig mal eingerichtet aber nie benutzt |
| 18:46:22 | Chestal | wir ueberlegen, evtl. zusaetzlich noch en einfachen Webzugang anzubieten, aber das waer halt Arbeit |
| 18:46:51 | FantaZee | wie soll das denn gehen, ich bzflag nur im vollbild modus zocken |
| 18:47:05 | Chestal | wir spielen in Runden |
| 18:47:09 | bz-akira | es geht um INFORMTIONEN |
| 18:47:09 | Chestal | Gruppen von je 5 Panzern |
| 18:47:12 | Ginku | das geht nur nach dem Lupischen Verfahren |
| 18:47:22 | bz-akira | ZWISCHEN den runden |
| 18:47:26 | bz-akira | wer auf welchem platz |
| 18:47:29 | Chestal | zwischen den einzelnen Runden ist kurz Pause |
| 18:47:31 | FantaZee | ok ok |
| 18:47:33 | bz-akira | wer wo wie und wann gegen wen spielt |
| 18:47:37 | bz-akira | nicht waeren des matches |
| 18:47:43 | lupinator | ich versuch mal eben das irc->cgi ding zu installieren |
| 18:47:54 | bz-akira | moech mal, lupi |
| 18:47:54 | Chestal | ausserdem werden vielleicht auch nciht alle alsObserver eingeloggt sein in den Server |
| 18:47:57 | Chestal | die oenen sich auch auf irc unterhalten |
| 18:48:06 | bz-akira | problem |
| 18:48:07 | Chestal | lupi: hast du denn nen Webserver? |
| 18:48:22 | bz-akira | sagen wir mal, 30 observer fahren da mit durch ne fuenfer runde rum |
| 18:48:28 | FantaZee | gibt es in den gruppen so etwas wie gesetzte spieler ? |
| 18:48:30 | Ginku | was ist denn wieder ein Observer |
| 18:48:33 | Chestal | wi viele Obseervr soll ich eigentlich zulassen? habs im Moemnt auf 10 begrenzt |
| 18:48:35 | bz-akira | ein beobachter |
| 18:48:36 | Ginku | ? |
| 18:48:46 | bz-akira | selbst 10 sind zuviel so als offizielle |
| 18:48:51 | Chestal | Ginku: steht auch im Forum |
| 18:48:53 | bz-akira | die fahren dann rum und versperren die sicht |
| 18:48:57 | bz-akira | etc bla bla |
| 18:49:04 | Chestal | akira: nix SIcht versperren, die sieht ja keiner |
| 18:49:09 | lupinator | ich komm hier langsam nicht mehr mit |
| 18:49:21 | bz-akira | aber du sagtest vorhin, ich koennte die abschiessen |
| 18:49:24 | Ginku | aber verbrauchen doch Bandbreite oder ? |
| 18:49:25 | bz-akira | es wuerde nur nicht gewertet |
| 18:49:26 | Chestal | akira: alles was die anderenvon denen sehen ist: sie tauchen in der score-List auf und koennen Nachrichten schicken |
| 18:49:40 | bz-akira | AHhhhhh |
| 18:49:41 | bz-akira | ok |
| 18:49:43 | Chestal | akira: richtig, sie koennen zufaellig von Kugeln getroffen werden, sind aber weder am Radar noch in 3D zu sehen |
| 18:49:46 | bz-akira | und die selber koennen aber urmfahren |
| 18:49:55 | Chestal | Bandbreitenverbrauch greift nur fuer den server |
| 18:50:03 | Chestal | ja, rumfahren koennen sie |
| 18:50:07 | bz-akira | cool |
| 18:50:19 | bz-akira | die sollten uebrigens mit ner jumping flag ausgestattet werden |
| 18:50:29 | Chestal | Obserevr schicken Nachrichten zum Server udn der Server zu ihnen, abe ihre Position wirdnciht an die anderen Spieelr uebermittelt |
| 18:50:37 | bz-akira | und dann wie inner arena auf den hoeheren plaetzeb sitzen :)) |
| 18:50:40 | Chestal | daher ist davon auszugehen, dass sie lag nciht vergroesseren |
| 18:50:58 | Chestal | akira: das laesst sich aber ohen client-Modifikation wohl nciht sauber loesen |
| 18:51:03 | bz-akira | :) |
| 18:51:10 | bz-akira | darauf wirds wohl hinauslaufen |
| 18:51:13 | Chestal | bz-akira: du kannst aber z.B.Valoches Version nehmen, da ist Roamign aktiviert |
| 18:51:25 | Chestal | bz-akira: d.h. du kannst dich mehr oder weniger umsatedlich frei im Raum bewegen |
| 18:51:31 | FantaZee | sagt doch mal bitte !! wie ist das mit der zusammensetztung der gruppen ?? |
| 18:51:45 | Chestal | also, diskutieren wir mal, wie wir die SPieler auf Gruppej aufteilen |
| 18:51:47 | bz-akira | die ganz schlechten kommen in ein gruppe mit den ganz guten |
| 18:51:51 | bz-akira | :)) |
| 18:51:53 | Chestal | prinzipiell schalg eich mal Zufall vor |
| 18:51:56 | bz-akira | ja |
| 18:52:04 | bz-akira | wuerd ich auch so machen |
| 18:52:12 | Chestal | gute SPieler zu setzen waere zwar sinnvoll, aber willkuerlich und unfair irgendwo |
| 18:52:18 | bz-akira | ja |
| 18:52:23 | FantaZee | find ich nicht so gut |
| 18:52:24 | Ginku | oooch, dann bin ja gleich weg :-( |
| 18:52:29 | bz-akira | ?? |
| 18:52:36 | Chestal | bei nem zweiten Turnier koennten vielleciht welche gsetetz werden, die beim ersten gut abgeschnitten haben |
| 18:52:37 | bz-akira | du hast doch noch ne woche zum ueben |
| 18:52:52 | Chestal | das Ganz eist ja eh nur ein erster Versuch und sicherlich haengt viel vom Glueck ab |
| 18:52:56 | FantaZee | wir kennen uns doch alle und können die stärke der anderen einschätzten |
| 18:53:03 | Ginku | ....wenn das mit dem DSL klappt..... |
| 18:53:09 | Chestal | Idee waere: 22 ANmeldungen: wir erzeugen 5 Gruppen mit 5, 5, 4, 4 udn 4 SPielern zufaellig |
| 18:53:10 | bz-akira | ich kenn ausser chestal und lupi keinen von euch |
| 18:53:29 | FantaZee | aber die uns |
| 18:53:40 | Chestal | das heisstin Runde 1 5 Matches, z.B> 20 Minuten pro Match |
| 18:53:42 | bz-akira | und was nutzt mir chestals wissen bzgl euch ? |
| 18:53:54 | Chestal | die besten 2 aus jeder Gruppe kommen weiter |
| 18:54:04 | FantaZee | wg der zusammensetzung |
| 18:54:10 | Chestal | die Frage ist, ob man irgendwowas wie lucky losers machen kann |
| 18:54:10 | bz-akira | ja und ? |
| 18:54:17 | Chestal | also dass die besten dritten auch wieterkommen oder so |
| 18:54:18 | bz-akira | deswegen kann ich euch doch trotzdem nicht einschaetzen |
| 18:54:26 | FantaZee | vergiss es |
| 18:54:32 | bz-akira | :) |
| 18:54:40 | FantaZee | ;)) |
| 18:54:44 | bz-akira | noeja, chestal |
| 18:54:56 | bz-akira | von mir hast ein klares jaoin |
| 18:55:06 | Ginku | lucky losers find ich gut :-) |
| 18:55:09 | bz-akira | ich nich |
| 18:55:11 | bz-akira | weil... |
| 18:55:18 | Chestal | bei luck ylosers steltl sich die Frage des Kriteriums |
| 18:55:31 | bz-akira | irgendwie hat so ein looser verloren, kommt wieder rein und schiesst aus nem dummen zufall alles kurz und klein |
| 18:55:35 | bz-akira | ich finds scheisse |
| 18:55:39 | Ginku | der groesste Loser -also ich- ist lucky |
| 18:55:50 | bz-akira | geh ueben :)) |
| 18:56:03 | Chestal | Idee bei lucky losers waere, einen Top-Spieler ruerbzuretten,der nur 3. geworden ist, weil er in eienr Gruppe mit Blaster und Kono war z.B. |
| 18:56:07 | bz-akira | apropos ... ich will gelich noch ne runde ... und dann los in kneipe |
| 18:56:24 | bz-akira | ne, chestal |
| 18:56:32 | bz-akira | das ist genauso willkuerlich wie sonst alles andere auch |
| 18:56:52 | lupinator | vorschlag: die dritten der erste runde pruegeln sich und die besten daraus kommen weiter |
| 18:56:52 | Chestal | bz-akira: naja,m ich sag ja, mir faellt auch kein brauchbares Kriterium ein |
| 18:57:04 | bz-akira | ja,. lupi, das waer ne idee |
| 18:57:10 | Chestal | lupi: hmm, waere machbar evtl.. bei 5 Gruppen waers optimal :-) |
| 18:57:15 | bz-akira | wie siehts bei gleichstand aus ? |
| 18:57:27 | Chestal | den genauen Modus, also wie viele jeweils weiterkommen, muss man eh anpassen an die ANzahl der SPieler |
| 18:57:32 | bz-akira | wer da zuerst die punktzahl hatte oder ? |
| 18:57:37 | Chestal | bz-akira: bei Gleichstand entscheidet das kill ratio |
| 18:57:38 | lupinator | bei ounktegleixhtand entscheide das kill verhaeltnis |
| 18:57:49 | FantaZee | was schätzt ihr denn wie viele mitmachen werden ? |
| 18:57:56 | Chestal | bei exaktem gleichstand ueberlegen wir uns was ;-) |
| 18:58:04 | bz-akira | ja, nehmen wir mal an . ich habe 20-10 und du hast 20-10 ... und jetzt ? |
| 18:58:09 | bz-akira | direkter vergleich ? |
| 18:58:10 | Chestal | fanatzee: keinen Schimmer, ich rechen so mit 20 |
| 18:58:29 | Valoche | hey! Sorry, I'm late |
| 18:58:32 | bz-akira | hello valoche |
| 18:58:34 | Chestal | bz-akira: im Zweifelsfall kommen halt beide weiter |
| 18:58:38 | lupinator | hey valoche |
| 18:58:40 | Chestal | ah, hi Valoche |
| 18:58:41 | bz-akira | so, no its time to talk englisch |
| 18:58:47 | bz-akira | har, chestal |
| 18:58:49 | Chestal | Valoche: I suppose you don't speak German? :-) |
| 18:58:52 | bz-akira | ich komm immer weiter |
| 18:58:54 | Valoche | no I don't, sorry |
| 18:59:00 | bz-akira | damn us :) |
| 18:59:05 | Chestal | well, then we'll have to switfch to English |
| 18:59:19 | bz-akira | damn us-citizen :)) no other languages :))) |
| 18:59:20 | Chestal | Valoche: would you like to play with or without flags for the tournament? |
| 18:59:29 | Chestal | Valoche is french, I guess? |
| 18:59:34 | Valoche | Yes I am |
| 18:59:34 | bz-akira | (whisper: without) |
| 18:59:37 | bz-akira | sorry |
| 18:59:42 | Ginku | lol |
| 18:59:44 | bz-akira | where do you live ? |
| 18:59:47 | bz-akira | paris ? |
| 18:59:48 | Valoche | Chest: with flags, it's more fun and adds some luck into the game ;) |
| 18:59:55 | Valoche | bz-akira: in Grenoble |
| 19:00:06 | bz-akira | if so then send greetings to my sister :) |
| 19:00:13 | Ginku | thats an argument |
| 19:00:13 | bz-akira | she lives in paris |
| 19:00:17 | Chestal | Valoche: hmm, we still have a majority for playign without flags, you are the 2nd to vote for using flags |
| 19:00:43 | Valoche | Chestal: flags, DO add some sneaky tactics, thus adding fun to the gameplay |
| 19:00:59 | bz-akira | the luck factor is in the game /tournament in :) if u are in the krono/blaster group u had no luck :))))) |
| 19:01:06 | Chestal | Valoche: you got a point there. contra flag people say that it is fairer without them |
| 19:01:29 | Chestal | ok, so we will constitute the groups for the first round randomly |
| 19:01:33 | Ginku | indeed |
| 19:01:40 | Chestal | best 2 out of 5 qualify for next round |
| 19:01:57 | bz-akira | if i got a laser than normaly i made a lot of points in a few minutes ... |
| 19:01:59 | Valoche | it may be fairer, but I'd love to see, say Blaster, grab the momentum flag while I fight against him |
| 19:02:01 | Chestal | meybe we will have the 3rd tanks battle each other |
| 19:02:12 | bz-akira | so its not very fair or skillful in a tournament |
| 19:02:14 | Chestal | so the best of them can qualify |
| 19:02:34 | bz-akira | nthen perhaps he will kill u still :)) |
| 19:02:39 | Valoche | bz_akira: super-flags are a server option, so we can decide which flag to put in the game and wish not |
| 19:02:40 | bz-akira | nso people |
| 19:02:46 | Chestal | when two people are 2nd with exactly the same score and kill ratio, both qualify |
| 19:02:49 | bz-akira | i go playing and then drinkingbeer |
| 19:03:07 | bz-akira | i know , valoche |
| 19:03:18 | Ginku | me too - have to exercise |
| 19:03:27 | bz-akira | ok, ducati ? |
| 19:03:28 | Chestal | hmm, I woudl still liek to discuss some things |
| 19:03:29 | bz-akira | :) |
| 19:03:36 | Ginku | sure |
| 19:03:44 | bz-akira | ok, but not now for me, for me its now time to go |
| 19:03:51 | Chestal | well, ok. cu akira |
| 19:03:52 | bz-akira | cu tomorrow, chestal |
| 19:03:56 | Valoche | later on Ducati, akira :) |
| 19:04:15 | Chestal | valoche: I guess you have read the thread on the forum on bzflag.de? |
| 19:04:30 | Valoche | Yep, but not since 12:00 UTC |
| 19:04:42 | Chestal | nothign new I guess |
| 19:04:47 | Valoche | ok |
| 19:05:02 | Chestal | we have agreed to platyin groups of 5 tanks each, qualification as I just outlayed here |
| 19:05:07 | lupinator | Valoche: can you only track your own tank or otjer tanks, too? |
| 19:05:15 | Chestal | each battle will have a server enforced time limi |
| 19:05:17 | Valoche | Chetal: fine by me |
| 19:05:27 | Valoche | lupi: you can tank every tank BUT yours |
| 19:05:31 | Chestal | we haven't decided about the time limit itself, maybe 20 minutes? |
| 19:05:52 | lupinator | + 10 minutes break? |
| 19:05:52 | Valoche | Chestal: 20 minutes... hmmm... ain't that a very long time ? |
| 19:05:55 | Chestal | or we use 20 minutes for first round and increase the time for 2nd round or final (depending on how many participants there willbe) |
| 19:07:30 | lupinator | we could run 2 battles to save time |
| 19:08:14 | Chestal | hmm, we could, but it would make things more complex |
| 19:08:15 | lupinator | i think 20 minutes are ok. a lot of players need some time to warm up |
| 19:08:28 | Valoche | lupi: agree with that, finally |
| 19:08:33 | Chestal | it all depends on the number of players of course |
| 19:09:12 | Chestal | with to many palyers the tournament might take too long to complete in one day, I think 5 hours would be maximum |
| 19:09:17 | lupinator | another question: all rounds on 1 day? |
| 19:09:37 | Chestal | so when we start at 20:00 MEST we should finish not too far after midnight here |
| 19:09:47 | Chestal | I would liek to do it all on one day |
| 19:10:36 | Valoche | I agree, it's easier to schedule 1 day than 2 with players from so many different countries |
| 19:10:37 | Chestal | let's do some estimations |
| 19:10:52 | Chestal | what do you think what number of playrs is realistic? |
| 19:10:58 | Valoche | I'd say 20-30 |
| 19:11:03 | lupinator | i guess max 30 |
| 19:11:12 | Chestal | ok, let's calcualte with 30 |
| 19:11:19 | Chestal | we would ahve 6 groups of 5 peopel in the first round |
| 19:11:30 | Chestal | 2*6=12 peopel would directly qualify for the 2nd round |
| 19:11:50 | Valoche | only the first from first round qualify ? |
| 19:11:54 | Chestal | we could fill that up with 3 best at 3rd place |
| 19:12:11 | Valoche | ah okay |
| 19:12:42 | lupinator | hm 6 groups=3hours? |
| 19:12:47 | Chestal | hmm, then we woudl have 6 tanks at 3rd place,hmm |
| 19:13:28 | Chestal | what would we do about those 6 losers? |
| 19:13:37 | Valoche | that gives 18 players left after the first round |
| 19:14:01 | Chestal | Valoche: nope, not all of the 6 woudl qualify |
| 19:14:12 | Valoche | nokay, so 15 players, correct ? |
| 19:14:16 | Chestal | lupinator: hmm, 3 hours for the first round sounds like too much |
| 19:14:38 | lupinator | dito |
| 19:14:41 | Chestal | Valoche: I'mnot quite sure how we would let those 6 tanks battle it out |
| 19:15:08 | lupinator | 2*3players, the best of each may go ahead |
| 19:15:12 | Valoche | well, you could just take the 3 best 3rd based on their score on first round |
| 19:15:15 | Chestal | I guess we could cope with a 5 minyte pause between the first six matches because we can schedule them a priori |
| 19:15:29 | Chestal | maybe 15 minutes + 5 minutes break for first round |
| 19:15:53 | Valoche | so the first round will be 2 hours long, that seem ok |
| 19:15:54 | Chestal | Valoche: hmm, we voted against using the score, becuase you cannot compare scores from different macthes |
| 19:16:07 | Chestal | well, let's ignore the problem of the 3rd placers for now |
| 19:16:15 | Valoche | will we be using kill ratio ? |
| 19:16:16 | Chestal | 2 hours for first round, 15 people in2nd round |
| 19:16:28 | Chestal | so 3 matches in 2nd round |
| 19:16:49 | Chestal | sadly, this woudl leave us with at least 2*3=6 winners |
| 19:17:05 | lupinator | i think score is a better criteria |
| 19:17:32 | Chestal | or we would choose to keep 3*3=9 winners |
| 19:18:03 | lupinator | and then 3 players for the final fight |
| 19:18:14 | Chestal | ehm |
| 19:18:18 | lupinator | sorry |
| 19:18:28 | lupinator | i'm confused |
| 19:18:32 | Chestal | we have 30 peopel starting, 15 people in 2nd round, 9 people in 3rd round? |
| 19:19:13 | Valoche | okay for 1st and 2nd, how will the 9 people fight in 3rd round ? |
| 19:19:27 | Chestal | hmm, I'm not really happy with those 9 tanks |
| 19:19:37 | Chestal | 9 out of 15 qualify, sounds liek too much |
| 19:19:47 | lupinator | why 15? 12 + 2 lucky losers |
| 19:20:00 | Valoche | we could just keep the 1st and 2nd from 2nd round -> 6 players for 3rd round |
| 19:20:17 | Chestal | we have 6 3rd placers in teh first round in our scnenario, ho to choose 2 of them? |
| 19:20:35 | lupinator | two matches with 3 players |
| 19:20:45 | Chestal | hmm, ok |
| 19:21:02 | Chestal | I think these relegation matches should be shorter,maybe just 5 or 10 minutes? |
| 19:21:09 | lupinator | nok |
| 19:21:24 | Valoche | ok (without the 'n', I am begining to get used to IRC ;]) |
| 19:21:34 | Chestal | ok, so we've got 6 1st, 6 2nd and 2 rd = 14 people for 2nd round |
| 19:21:43 | Chestal | 5, 5 and 4? |
| 19:22:09 | lupinator | sounds ok |
| 19:22:35 | Valoche | ok for me too |
| 19:22:46 | Valoche | anyway, we won't have a number of players multiple of 5, so... |
| 19:22:47 | Chestal | random distrubution again? |
| 19:23:00 | lupinator | sure |
| 19:23:02 | Chestal | or will we try to be smarter? |
| 19:23:10 | lupinator | neven smarter? |
| 19:23:14 | Valoche | smarter would be more fun |
| 19:23:39 | Chestal | we could try to make sure that a exactly 2 1st would be out into the same group now |
| 19:23:55 | Valoche | agreed |
| 19:24:01 | Chestal | so there isn't a group of 5 peopel who won their matches in the first round |
| 19:24:41 | lupinator | convinced |
| 19:24:44 | Valoche | dito |
| 19:25:26 | Chestal | ok, I guess I will write a little program for that |
| 19:25:55 | Chestal | I'm not perfectly sure about every detail of it, but I guess random placement with restrictions basically |
| 19:26:04 | Chestal | ok, 5, 5 and 4 ar battling |
| 19:26:28 | Chestal | 2 of each group directly qualify? this would be 6 tanks. How about 3rd places? |
| 19:26:57 | Valoche | they assume their poor skills and aren't qualified for 3rd round >) |
| 19:27:37 | Chestal | btw., I assuem we will schedule the first round a day or so before the actual tournament |
| 19:27:58 | Chestal | so, we have the problem that some people might not show up. I guess the other people in this group are just lucky then |
| 19:28:03 | lupinator | let's decide that when we know the number of players |
| 19:28:24 | Chestal | I think we keep a strict maximum of 5 players for each battle? |
| 19:28:30 | Chestal | might be less, but no more |
| 19:28:46 | Valoche | looks good |
| 19:28:53 | lupinator | yep |
| 19:29:08 | Chestal | and we'll start with 15 minutes battles with 5 minute sbreaks between them, other rounds might be longer |
| 19:29:39 | lupinator | + 1 winner out of 3 players and 2 winner out of 4 or 5 players? |
| 19:29:44 | Chestal | will we do somehtign about lag? |
| 19:30:11 | Valoche | skilled players can shoot laggy tanks... |
| 19:30:35 | Valoche | assuming there will be no jumping, we could then just forget about the lag issue |
| 19:30:57 | Chestal | there'll be no jumping,for this first tournament at least |
| 19:31:15 | Valoche | so my advice is: "forget about lag" (at least reasonable lag) |
| 19:31:29 | lupinator | what is reasonable? |
| 19:31:35 | Valoche | i.e. 600ms max |
| 19:31:47 | lupinator | tha's already quite good |
| 19:31:49 | Chestal | I find lag above 250ms to be annoying |
| 19:32:22 | lupinator | there are som 1 sec laggers who are really hard to kill |
| 19:32:31 | Chestal | with larger lag you have to know that the respective tank has high lag to shoot it |
| 19:32:58 | Chestal | question is: are there any badly lagged players who will survive the first round? |
| 19:33:01 | Valoche | yes, but same thing for them, so it's still fair |
| 19:33:26 | lupinator | for a lagged tank every tank is lagged |
| 19:33:31 | Chestal | in fact, it's a little easier for the lag-impaired because from their view all other players have nearly the same lag |
| 19:33:34 | Valoche | that was my point |
| 19:33:47 | Chestal | so they do not need to adjust that much |
| 19:33:53 | lupinator | with low lag it differs a lot. that is difficult to handöe |
| 19:34:21 | Chestal | but what can we do? let's say we woudl choose some lag limit |
| 19:34:47 | Chestal | should players with bigger lagged banned from the tournament? and how do we measure lag? during the tournament itself? |
| 19:35:20 | lupinator | but then there might still be the chance of bad measurements |
| 19:35:30 | Chestal | agreed |
| 19:35:39 | Chestal | so, just cope with the lag fr the first tournament? |
| 19:35:51 | lupinator | i think that's the best to do |
| 19:35:56 | Valoche | I think so; anyway, other players will complain, so that will be a good measurement method |
| 19:36:42 | Chestal | lupi: what about cgiirc? are you working on it? do you have a web server? |
| 19:37:10 | Chestal | so, as CapN didn't show up: How do we handle the registration? |
| 19:37:13 | lupinator | working on it |
| 19:37:33 | Chestal | I think we need Calsign and email from players |
| 19:37:46 | lupinator | i can offer something on http://www.forchheimer-bastionsgaerten.de |
| 19:37:58 | lupinator | not the nicest url but it will do the job |
| 19:38:06 | Chestal | lupi; nice URL :-) |
| 19:38:17 | Chestal | lupi: I could also offer webspace |
| 19:38:25 | Valoche | I can lend you http://bzflag.free.Fr if you want |
| 19:39:12 | Chestal | we need WWW for different purposes: cgiirc, maybe registration, up to date informatin during the tournament |
| 19:39:16 | Valoche | it has 100Mb storage, php and mysql available |
| 19:39:39 | lupinator | i have something like that, too |
| 19:39:43 | Valoche | k |
| 19:39:47 | lupinator | nad a mailinlist |
| 19:39:59 | lupinator | nad = and |
| 19:40:07 | Valoche | we could use yahoogroups ? it has a chat system |
| 19:40:37 | Chestal | valoche: what for exactly? |
| 19:40:42 | Chestal | I can setup a mailinglist |
| 19:41:06 | Chestal | so peopel who have registered will get the informatin they need to participate (i.e. their schedule for the first round) |
| 19:41:39 | Valoche | Chestal: dunno, but i's a mailinglist system + chat, so I thought that it could be helpful... |
| 19:42:26 | Chestal | I think a real mailing list would be best. We could make it announce only or allow discussions |
| 19:42:43 | Chestal | How abiut the registration itself. Ideas so far are: |
| 19:42:59 | Chestal | a) jsut send a mail to the coordinator |
| 19:43:10 | Chestal | b) just post in the Forum on bzflag.de |
| 19:43:19 | Chestal | c) setup a web page with a simple form where you can register |
| 19:43:43 | lupinator | c |
| 19:43:53 | lupinator | if we are able to do that |
| 19:44:08 | Valoche | c is the best |
| 19:44:11 | Chestal | I would prefer c also. Of course this doesn't exclude a |
| 19:44:22 | Valoche | yep, c) could send a mail to a) ;] |
| 19:44:37 | Chestal | I guess I coudl setup c |
| 19:45:01 | Chestal | we should have a tournament webpage anyway |
| 19:45:25 | Chestal | with some basic information, registration and - during the tournament - standings and schedules |
| 19:45:38 | Chestal | doesn't need to be very fancy |
| 19:45:53 | Valoche | but must be reusable for future tournaments if this one works |
| 19:46:25 | Chestal | would be nice if it were reusable, but I think we can start with soemthing quick and small and enhance it later |
| 19:46:48 | Valoche | agreed |
| 19:46:50 | Chestal | I could do this all myself, but it will look very plain then |
| 19:47:09 | Chestal | I do not have the time to make it look good |
| 19:47:14 | Chestal | nor the web design skills |
| 19:47:53 | Valoche | I have spare time |
| 19:48:41 | Chestal | maybe we can share the work? |
| 19:48:49 | Valoche | we can do that |
| 19:49:28 | Chestal | well, how do we split it up? |
| 19:50:15 | Valoche | it depends on what database we will use, and which scripting language... so ? |
| 19:51:01 | Chestal | I think a database would be oversized |
| 19:51:34 | Chestal | I uess for registration a very simple form with two input fields (Callsign, email) would do |
| 19:51:42 | Valoche | if we don't use one, it will be a lot of manual updates, then... |
| 19:51:43 | Chestal | the data could be just stored in a text file |
| 19:52:19 | Chestal | well, iy you liek to do some mysql / php solution I won't stop you :-) |
| 19:53:25 | Valoche | ;) no, but I think we should do something that will be unattended as much as possible |
| 19:54:16 | Chestal | hmm, I am jsut thinking... On the day of the tournament we need to publish results and schedules as fast as possible |
| 19:54:40 | Chestal | I plan on doing score snapshots from the battles using bzfquery |
| 19:55:29 | Chestal | it will not be fulle automatic and it won't look very baeutiful I guess |
| 19:55:46 | Valoche | we then should have some sort of admin page; doesn't seem to complicated |
| 19:56:36 | Chestal | hmm, admin page? for updatign the information via your web browser? |
| 19:56:43 | Valoche | yes |
| 19:57:49 | Chestal | have you done things liek that before? |
| 19:58:56 | Valoche | I've been doing this at work |
| 19:59:52 | Valoche | and about bzfquery: I've just take a look at it: it can easily be embeded in a web page |
| 20:00:15 | Chestal | Valoche: yep, I guess this is what Onkel Frank did for the Stats page on bzflag.de |
| 20:00:33 | Chestal | but we do not really need real-time results durign a bttle |
| 20:00:43 | Chestal | but we want the results at the end of the battle |
| 20:01:00 | Valoche | those, we'll have to manually update them |
| 20:01:05 | Chestal | maybe it;s still best to jus write them down manually |
| 20:01:37 | Chestal | but we need someone who updated the web pages on tournament day |
| 20:01:59 | Valoche | well, when a battle is ongoing, we can update the score automagically, and when it's closed, we update'em manually |
| 20:02:00 | Chestal | he msut either have diredct access to the web pages or we need some kind of admin page allowing to add the information |
| 20:02:16 | Valoche | anyway, we'll have to mark battles as "open" or "closed", so it's not a big problem |
| 20:02:40 | Valoche | the admin page is a good solution IMHO |
| 20:04:04 | Valoche | we have a whole week to implement the battle statistics, so I think we must focus on the registration, which should be up and running ASAP |
| 20:05:20 | Chestal | I agree |
| 20:05:43 | Chestal | hmm,m shoudl we setup a mailing list to inform everyone who registerred? |
| 20:05:55 | Chestal | or do you think keeping the web page up to date would be enough? |
| 20:06:38 | Valoche | Keeping the web page up to date + sending reminders will do the trick I guess |
| 20:07:07 | Valoche | (we can send reminders from the admin page) |
| 20:07:47 | Chestal | hmm, sounds liek you just opted for the job to do it all :-) |
| 20:08:03 | Valoche | no way mister ;) |
| 20:08:27 | Valoche | in fact, I opted for the job to do stuff you will use ;) |
| 20:08:45 | Chestal | Valoche: well, hmm. I am not sure how we can split up the work best |
| 20:08:52 | Chestal | hi lupi |
| 20:09:08 | Valoche | BTW, how will we handle doubles in callsigns ? ;-) (lupi-lupinator) |
| 20:10:02 | Valoche | split: you are in charge of the rules and organization, I am in charge of the technical parts. Okay ? |
| 20:10:56 | Valoche | if you will, I am your "slave": you order, I deliver |
| 20:11:01 | Chestal | Valoche: :-) |
| 20:11:19 | lupi | hooray |
| 20:11:23 | Chestal | valoche: hmm, first come, first serve with the callsigns,I don't think there will be a problem |
| 20:11:26 | vogon_jeltz | is back (gone 10:17:44) |
| 20:11:30 | Chestal | hi vogon |
| 20:11:34 | Valoche | chestal: I know, I was just kidding ;) |
| 20:11:37 | vogon_jeltz | hi |
| 20:11:42 | Valoche | hi |
| 20:12:09 | lupi | http://www.forchheimer-bastionsgaerten.de/bz/cgiirc/html/launch.html |
| 20:12:11 | Chestal | Valoche: well, le'ts conecntrate onthe registration first. We need a simple web form that allowes players to register |
| 20:12:20 | Chestal | Valoche: Callsign / email I guess |
| 20:12:27 | Valoche | fine by me |
| 20:12:33 | vogon_jeltz | Chestal: no, we don't; we can integrate it into the game |
| 20:12:51 | Chestal | vogon: huh? |
| 20:12:56 | vogon_jeltz | Chestal: if we integrate it into a Web page, people will spam the server with junk registrations |
| 20:13:29 | Valoche | vogon: no, we can set up an e-mail confirmation process |
| 20:13:41 | Chestal | vogon_jeltz: we coudl solve that by sending anemail to their address and have them replyto that email |
| 20:14:29 | vogon_jeltz | Valoche, Chestal: good idea, but it'd be simpler to do this within the game...you could theoretically also set up different registration servers |
| 20:14:46 | Chesta| | hi guys |
| 20:14:50 | vogon_jeltz | hi |
| 20:14:58 | Valoche | hi Chestal's clone |
| 20:15:10 | lupi | do you think this works? |
| 20:15:27 | Chestal | vogon: well, we need it to work within the next 48 hours |
| 20:15:35 | vogon_jeltz | Chestal: why is that? |
| 20:15:46 | Chestal | we can think about tournament improvemente to bz later of course |
| 20:15:59 | Chestal | vogon: we will want to have our first tournament at Saturady |
| 20:16:08 | Chesta| | I think it's ok |
| 20:16:22 | vogon_jeltz | Chestal: if you want a decent stats system that people can actually *use*, you'll need more time than that |
| 20:16:28 | Chesta| | onl yproblem with Mozilla here is that I do not see the bottommost line sometimes |
| 20:16:46 | Valoche | vogon: registration is priority number one; for the stats, we have a whole week, that's enough time |
| 20:17:00 | lupi | i've got the same problem |
| 20:17:02 | vogon_jeltz | Valoche: but how are you keying registration into the game? |
| 20:17:11 | Chestal | vogon: I think you are talkign about some kind of ranking list, we are talkign about a tournament event |
| 20:17:24 | Valoche | vogon: we "trust" people |
| 20:17:29 | vogon_jeltz | ahh, OK |
| 20:17:45 | vogon_jeltz | heh... didn't know that you were that stup^H^H^H^Htrusting |
| 20:18:11 | Valoche | vogon: the source code has to be modified to do things stupidless ;) |
| 20:18:16 | vogon_jeltz | heh |
| 20:18:22 | vogon_jeltz | don't worry... I'm on it for 1.8 |
| 20:18:37 | Valoche | cool; you have 2 days to release it ;-) |
| 20:18:41 | vogon_jeltz | heh |
| 20:19:02 | vogon_jeltz | you guys can kluge up a solution in the next two days; I'll work on a *good* one for 1.8 :) |
| 20:19:40 | Chestal | lupi: I think that's ok, we should use it |
| 20:20:00 | vogon_jeltz | heh... lupi's gone |
| 20:20:06 | lupinator | i'll read a bit more about it |
| 20:20:11 | Chestal | but hsi evil twin brother is still here :-) |
| 20:20:16 | vogon_jeltz | ahh |
| 20:21:10 | Valoche | vogon: there ain't enough time for that, so I'm afraid we'll have to trust people. And Chestal can kick unwanted players anyway |
| 20:21:16 | vogon_jeltz | yeah |
| 20:21:26 | vogon_jeltz | I can do the scorekeeping :) |
| 20:21:52 | vogon_jeltz | if you don't have a stats hack written up by then |
| 20:23:56 | Valoche | we can use some hacked bzfquery.pl |
| 20:24:08 | vogon_jeltz | heh... cool |
| 20:24:37 | Chestal | but most important is to get the result at the end of the match |
| 20:24:51 | Chestal | I think when a timed game is over, noone can do anthign anymore? |
| 20:24:54 | Valoche | yep; that remains a manual update :( |
| 20:25:02 | Chestal | nso there shoudl be no rush in getting the score |
| 20:25:05 | vogon_jeltz | Chestal: yep... they all get blowed up real good |
| 20:25:21 | vogon_jeltz | is channeling John Candy today |
| 20:26:07 | Chestal | valoche: well I guess writing down the winners and doign the schedule for the next round will be manual tasks anyway |
| 20:26:18 | vogon_jeltz | I'll do the scorekeeping... you can trust me :) |
| 20:26:31 | Chestal | of course we shoudl have a utility which can automatically distribute the players into groups |
| 20:26:49 | vogon_jeltz | *cough* I can do that faster than any machine */cough* |
| 20:27:06 | Valoche | yes. that is possible, provided we have some rules to do that ;) |
| 20:27:16 | vogon_jeltz | first meets last, second meets next-to-last... |
| 20:27:31 | Valoche | that is soooo unfair vogon ;) |
| 20:27:36 | vogon_jeltz | Valoche: no, it's not |
| 20:27:54 | vogon_jeltz | Valoche: if you're the last seed, you need a challenge :) |
| 20:28:13 | Valoche | vogon: it can also be frustating |
| 20:28:21 | vogon_jeltz | Valoche: all of the seeds will be picked in an unbiased, performance-based fashion, right? |
| 20:28:26 | Chestal | I think I will work on a little program to do that, should be flexible |
| 20:28:49 | vogon_jeltz | Chestal: you can't do different groupings for each round, or somebody's going to complain |
| 20:28:57 | Valoche | vogon: dunno, it's Chestal's work ;) |
| 20:29:24 | vogon_jeltz | Valoche: believe me, there are enough upsets to justify my method... |
| 20:29:40 | vogon_jeltz | Valoche: not to mention the fact that almost every major tournament uses it |
| 20:29:40 | Valoche | k |
| 20:30:38 | Chestal | vogon: hmm? we try to put players into groups of 5 |
| 20:30:49 | vogon_jeltz | oh, man... |
| 20:31:11 | Chestal | vogon: for the first roudn the process is purely random as we have no performance data |
| 20:31:17 | Chestal | vogon: this will change for the other rounds |
| 20:31:28 | vogon_jeltz | Chestal: can't you run qualifiers first? |
| 20:31:42 | Chestal | vogon: first round is kind of a qualifier |
| 20:31:53 | vogon_jeltz | Chestal: do people get eliminated? |
| 20:31:54 | Chestal | vogon: those are elimination rounds |
| 20:31:57 | Chestal | yep |
| 20:32:08 | vogon_jeltz | Chestal: you can't have a qualifier where people get eliminated |
| 20:32:16 | vogon_jeltz | Chestal: people *will* complain... I'm sure of it |
| 20:32:27 | Chestal | vogon_jeltz: well, it's random in the first round |
| 20:32:33 | Chestal | losers will get eliminated |
| 20:32:49 | Chestal | inthe 2nd round we wil try to avoid putting 1st roudn winners into the same group |
| 20:32:57 | Chestal | but it's still a random process |
| 20:33:08 | Chestal | this scheme is fair |
| 20:33:14 | vogon_jeltz | no, it's not |
| 20:33:17 | Chestal | it is |
| 20:33:23 | Chestal | what's unfair about it? |
| 20:33:37 | vogon_jeltz | say a player who's fairly good gets into a first round group with people who are really good |
| 20:33:44 | Chestal | that's bad luck |
| 20:33:48 | vogon_jeltz | that fairly good player will be eliminated |
| 20:33:53 | Chestal | 2 out of 5 will qulaify directly |
| 20:33:57 | vogon_jeltz | the really good people will be spread out... |
| 20:33:58 | lupinator | that can happen everywhere in a tournament |
| 20:34:10 | vogon_jeltz | and thus have no chance to dwindle by attrition |
| 20:34:13 | Chestal | and if he's 3rd he gets a chance to qualify against others who placed 3rd |
| 20:37:51 | Valoche | okay, so where will we put the webpage ? |
| 20:41:30 | Chestal | argl, got booted |
| 20:41:51 | Valoche | again... |
| 20:42:19 | Chestal | grmpf |
| 20:42:27 | Valoche | wow |
| 20:42:34 | Chestal | lupinator: I have just invited OTTOMAN to the tournament, I wish I hadn't done this |
| 20:42:37 | Chestal | got booted twice |
| 20:42:40 | lupinator | Chestal: maybe we should rely on icq.com :-) |
| 20:42:58 | lupinator | ts ts |
| 20:43:08 | lupinator | find more ginkus |
| 20:43:11 | Chestal | lupi: he voted for using flags, btw. |
| 20:43:23 | Chestal | I haven't voted yet :-) |
| 20:43:30 | Valoche | I vote "flags" |
| 20:43:47 | Valoche | if I had to choose ONE flag, I'd choose "steamroller" |
| 20:44:20 | lupinator | Chestal: flags will cause a lot of traffic |
| 20:44:29 | lupinator | so better leave them out |
| 20:44:47 | Valoche | or... have only 1 flag on the battlefield |
| 20:45:04 | lupinator | that would be fun |
| 20:45:24 | Valoche | obesity ? ;) |
| 20:45:55 | lupinator | can you make them vanish aafter every grab and replace it with a random one? |
| 20:46:13 | Valoche | yes |
| 20:46:22 | Valoche | but after every DROP |
| 20:46:31 | Valoche | when the flag vanishes in the air |
| 20:46:59 | lupinator | ok let's grab DROP and then vanish |
| 20:47:20 | Valoche | Chestal vanished, will we have a random Chestal now ? ;) |
| 20:47:46 | lupinator | is it a bad chestal? |
| 20:48:13 | Valoche | it's the stealth Chestal right now ;) |
| 20:48:25 | lupinator | i know! it is a blind chestal 8-) |
| 20:48:40 | Valoche | or... colorchestalness ? |
| 20:49:19 | Chestal | hmm |
| 20:49:23 | Valoche | oppsa |
| 20:49:27 | Chestal | amI the only one who has problems here? |
| 20:49:35 | Valoche | yep |
| 20:49:44 | lupinator | i got booted once |
| 20:49:50 | Valoche | do you mean IRC problems ? |
| 20:50:26 | Chestal | yes |
| 20:50:56 | Valoche | I haven't been booted, but I promise, I didn't patch my client ;) |
| 20:51:50 | lupinator | CLIENTQUERY |
| 20:52:19 | Valoche | Valoche: valoche.v0.000023 build 23493020 |
| 20:52:50 | Chestal | Valoche: ok, how do we get started with the web page and the registration? |
| 20:53:07 | Chestal | I am getting tired, must eat something |
| 20:53:09 | Valoche | that was my last question before you got booted: where do we put the pages ? |
| 20:53:33 | Chestal | well, I have web space here and I can make changes to the server etc. |
| 20:53:41 | Chestal | but I am not so sure about mysql |
| 20:53:48 | Valoche | did you know that "Herta" was a french brand of snacks ? (really) |
| 20:54:03 | Chestal | how do they taste? |
| 20:54:18 | Valoche | quite good to be honest :( |
| 20:54:25 | lupinator | you mare talking about these weenis? |
| 20:54:42 | Valoche | I didn't get that (weenis) |
| 20:55:00 | Valoche | Chestal: do you ahve any other database available ? |
| 20:55:05 | lupinator | aehm weeny?let me look it up |
| 20:55:27 | Chestal | Valoche: mysql would be best, but I think the server isn't running with mysql support (for php) |
| 20:55:52 | Valoche | can you update it ? |
| 20:56:13 | Chestal | not really |
| 20:56:17 | lupinator | ok i thing i am wrong. i meant those saussages |
| 20:56:33 | Valoche | oh then yes, "Herta" makes saussages |
| 20:57:21 | Valoche | at first they look good, but after eating dozens of them, they look like a 80 years old grandma ;) |
| 20:57:31 | lupinator | hehe |
| 20:57:52 | lupinator | i always have to think of oma when i see herta products |
| 20:58:11 | Valoche | Chestal: so I guess we'll have to do it with text files (not that big a deal though). |
| 20:58:47 | Valoche | lupi: me too (c)(tm) ;) |
| 20:58:53 | Chestal | ok, so we shoudl setup the site on my server here? |
| 20:59:24 | Chestal | it's an apache web server, SSI and probably php shoudl work |
| 20:59:27 | Chestal | never used php, though |
| 20:59:40 | Valoche | then give it a try to see if it works |
| 21:00:13 | Chestal | if c=you can tell me how |
| 21:00:51 | Valoche | easy: create a text files named "test.php", containing this: |
| 21:00:54 | Valoche | <?php |
| 21:01:00 | Valoche | echo "Hello, world..."; |
| 21:01:02 | Valoche | ?> |
| 21:01:06 | Valoche | That's pretty much it |
| 21:01:11 | Chestal | ok, I'll try |
| 21:01:20 | Chestal | hmm, php or .php3? |
| 21:01:36 | Valoche | look at your httpd.conf and give it the correct one |
| 21:01:52 | Valoche | ...or try both |
| 21:02:10 | Valoche | if it doesn't work, I have a server with php enabled |
| 21:02:13 | Chestal | with ,php3 it works |
| 21:02:18 | Valoche | cool |
| 21:02:19 | Chestal | http://www.home.unix-ag.org/thilo/bzflag/index.php3 |
| 21:02:38 | Valoche | it's terrific ;) |
| 21:03:04 | lupinator | can you add echo phpinfo(); ? |
| 21:03:16 | Valoche | yep, that'd definitely help |
| 21:03:21 | Valoche | good point, lupi |
| 21:03:55 | Chestal | done |
| 21:04:03 | Valoche | okay, let's give it a look |
| 21:04:43 | Chestal | there is some mysql stuff in there |
| 21:04:48 | Chestal | but there is no ysql server on the machine |
| 21:06:10 | Valoche | well, you could setup one yourself, but we don't need it for the moment |
| 21:08:41 | Valoche | or we could just try and access a mysql db on another server |
| 21:09:36 | lupinator | isn't that forbidden on most servers? |
| 21:09:53 | Valoche | yes, I'm afraid it is, but it's worth trying it |
| 21:11:10 | lupinator | btw, here is mine: http://www.forchheimer-bastionsgaerten.de/phpinfo.php |
| 21:13:03 | Valoche | well, mine is here: http://bzflag.free.fr/phpinfo.php3 |
| 21:13:35 | Chestal | lupi's ist most up to date |
| 21:13:43 | Valoche | yep |
| 21:14:22 | lupinator | only the url is a pain |
| 21:14:32 | Chestal | Valoche's URL is best |
| 21:14:40 | Valoche | I can redirect on lupi's |
| 21:14:40 | Chestal | best I coudl achieve is www.unix-ag.org/bzflag |
| 21:15:07 | Valoche | or I can create a new one, the only required thing is the ".free.fr" |
| 21:15:28 | Chestal | oho! but I think bzflag is just fine |
| 21:16:28 | Chestal | your roaming screenshot looks cool, doesn't look that good with software rendering |
| 21:16:36 | Chestal | did you fix the horizon problem yourself? |
| 21:16:51 | Valoche | I didn't fix anything, what is the problem ? |
| 21:17:12 | Chestal | for me, the horizon is always in the middle of the screen, even if I pitchmy view downward |
| 21:17:14 | menotume | hi all |
| 21:17:21 | Chestal | ah, welcome back menotume |
| 21:17:33 | menotume | me too, blue sky on top half of screen |
| 21:17:44 | Chestal | menotume: would you like to play with or without flags? |
| 21:17:54 | Valoche | well, you have to look down |
| 21:18:05 | menotume | no preference, probbaly have too mucg lag to play anyway :( |
| 21:18:22 | Chestal | oh, what's you lag usually? |
| 21:18:23 | lupinator | oh, you even have walls |
| 21:18:36 | menotume | Val, even when you look down, top half always blue. |
| 21:18:43 | menotume | yep, on dial-up |
| 21:19:00 | Valoche | well, you have to move up, then look down. Is that what you do ? |
| 21:19:16 | Chestal | Valoche: hmm, maybe it's just the OpenGL implemenation and ours are broken? |
| 21:19:19 | menotume | i think so, PgUp right? |
| 21:19:24 | Valoche | yep |
| 21:19:34 | Chestal | Valoche: I can look straight down fromthe sky and still see the horizon, it doesn't move an inch |
| 21:19:35 | menotume | but mouse control is great :) |
| 21:20:19 | Valoche | Chestal: that is weird. Do you have horizon problems when standing on elevated platforms ? |
| 21:20:50 | lupinator | oops, i just noticed that i have walls, too |
| 21:20:57 | Chestal | Valoche: ehm, when I stand on a platform I still view parallel to the ground, so there is no problem!? |
| 21:21:00 | lupinator | then mine is fine, too |
| 21:22:07 | Valoche | Chestal and Menotume: what is the matter with you ? ;) |
| 21:22:16 | menotume | just lurking |
| 21:22:51 | menotume | i can still see everything in raom mode, no problems ... just blue background |
| 21:23:01 | Valoche | Menotume: send me a screenshot |
| 21:23:17 | menotume | OK, will do 2nite when i get home (am at office now) |
| 21:23:28 | menotume | what do you use for screenshots program? |
| 21:23:37 | Valoche | err... print screen key ;) |
| 21:24:03 | menotume | really, never worked for me in openGL, will try again though |
| 21:24:48 | Valoche | well, there is some snapping stuff in the source code (deactivated), but I have never been able to make it work (I have a wobbly image) |
| 21:25:17 | menotume | no worries, Gerbil told be about a program he uses - i'll give it a try. |
| 21:25:42 | Valoche | Chestal: I think it'll be easier to store all the files on bzflag.free.Fr, plus we will have a mysql database available. |
| 21:25:52 | Chestal | Valoche: that's fine with me |
| 21:26:03 | menotume | Say, is there anyway I can cut&paste the txt in this IRC channel, so I can print it out and look it over 2nite? |
| 21:26:14 | Chestal | Valoche: do you think we can get a basic web page with registration up tomorrow? |
| 21:26:17 | lupinator | grrrrrr |
| 21:26:27 | lupinator | §$%@# X |
| 21:26:31 | Valoche | what do you call tomorrow ? |
| 21:26:40 | Chestal | Valoche: eh, Monday :-) |
| 21:27:19 | Chestal | menotune: I think you acn activate logging somewhere |
| 21:27:24 | Valoche | The best I can do is tomorrow night, say 22:00. |
| 21:27:43 | Valoche | menotume: using mIRC32 ? |
| 21:27:48 | menotume | yes |
| 21:28:01 | Valoche | click on top left icon of the client window, choose buffer/save as... |
| 21:28:12 | Valoche | or maybe save & log as... |
| 21:28:33 | Valoche | Chestal: is 22:00 okay ? Or is it too late |
| 21:28:34 | menotume | excellent, thanks - first time using irc (obviusly) |
| 21:28:45 | Valoche | menotume: me too (c)(tm) |
| 21:30:19 | Valoche | Chestal: please send me the tournament's rules as soon as you can, so I can include them on the registration page |
| 21:31:41 | Valoche | uh-oh... Chestal's client seems stucked again :( |
| 21:32:12 | Valoche | booted again uh ? |
| 21:32:24 | Valoche | and again |
| 21:32:29 | Chesta| | I changed the server |
| 21:32:36 | Chesta| | let's see if this is better |
| 21:32:44 | Valoche | do you have my last messages ? |
| 21:32:48 | Chesta| | I guess so |
| 21:33:06 | menotume | yikes |
| 21:33:08 | Chesta| | I will try and write something about the tournament rules |
| 21:33:20 | Chesta| | will send it to you Monday evening I guess |
| 21:33:34 | Valoche | okay; are you fine with the registration beginning at 22:00 ? (MET) |
| 21:33:53 | Chesta| | Valoche: well, I think we cannot do it any earlier, it's fine |
| 21:34:00 | Valoche | okay then |
| 21:34:17 | Chesta| | Valoche: Once the page is up we should announce it immediately |
| 21:34:38 | Chesta| | we should link to lupi's cgiirc |
| 21:34:41 | Valoche | I'll go here when it's online |
| 21:34:58 | Valoche | Okay, I already bookmarked it |
| 21:35:06 | Chesta| | fine! |
| 21:35:24 | Chesta| | ok, I am gettign really tired. Let's meet tomorrow here |
| 21:35:41 | Chesta| | is your email on your webpage? |
| 21:35:56 | Chesta| | ah, I found it |
| 21:36:01 | Valoche | Yes it is |
| 21:36:17 | Valoche | you can just use bzflag@free.fr |
| 21:36:39 | Valoche | last thing: do you wish to receive a mail for each registration ? |
| 21:37:24 | Chesta| | hmm, I don't think that's necessary. But on the other hand, why not. If you like, do so, there won't be that much of it |
| 21:37:39 | Valoche | okay, cya tomorrow, good night, have nice dreams, etc... ;) |
| 21:37:59 | menotume | cya all later - time for me to go home. |
| 21:37:59 | Chesta| | or, alternatively setup a page where we can see who registered |
| 21:38:05 | Chesta| | that would be enough |
| 21:38:20 | Chesta| | bye menotume |
| 21:38:21 | Valoche | okay, I already had that in mind anyway |
| 21:38:24 | Valoche | bye meno |
| 21:38:25 | lupinator | bye |
| 21:38:29 | menotume | byyyyeeeee |
| 21:38:41 | Chesta| | ok, cu soon. I'm away |
| 22:29:18 | captain_proton | yo people |
| 23:13:10 | captain_proton | wazzup? |
| 23:51:27 | captain_proton | hey! |
| 23:51:35 | vogon_jeltz | yo, cappy |