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02:56:40vogon_jeltzthere we go... :)
02:59:51vogon_jeltzhandcuffs captain_away to a desk with Windows95 - "Multitask, bitch."
02:59:57vogon_jeltzhehehehe
03:00:09vogon_jeltzslaps captain_away around a bit with an official sized #os/2 herring...
03:00:20vogon_jeltzslaps captain_away around a bit with an official sized #os/2 herring...
03:00:38vogon_jeltzpummels captain_away with a wet noodle
03:03:57vogon_jeltzfinds the Windows edition Cluebat, taps it over captain_away's head, and watches it break
03:04:15vogon_jeltzpulls out  trusty AK47... nestles the sites squarely on captain_away's head... eases back on the trigger and empties a 30 round clip....BANG You're Dead
08:34:56iLLf8dlo all
22:12:53vogon_jeltzhiya, Tim
22:22:05captain_awayis away: I'm probably eating
22:22:09captain_awayis back (gone 00:00:04)
22:26:13captain_protondamn...my new batch of muffins got squished on the way over here...
22:26:23vogon_jeltz:/
22:26:42captain_protonbut hey - i have a new batch of muffins!
22:26:51vogon_jeltzheh
22:27:05captain_protonand i brought a couple videos...
22:27:28captain_protondr. strangelove & mars attacks :)
22:27:40vogon_jeltzhas never seen either
22:27:50vogon_jeltzI doubled the RAM in my box today
22:27:56captain_protonnice
22:27:58vogon_jeltzfrom 128 to 256... still pretty low
22:28:02captain_protonyou have to rent dr. strangelove
22:28:06captain_protoni have 256
22:28:08captain_protonits not that low
22:28:41vogon_jeltzwelp, I can still double it again without buying memory straight from Rambus :D
22:29:15captain_protoni think i could do the same...
22:29:22captain_protonhow much is 256 rambus?
22:29:28vogon_jeltzabout 400 bucks
22:29:31vogon_jeltzheh
22:29:48vogon_jeltzprolly not that much, but still a good 50-60% more expensive than regular PC133
22:29:52vogon_jeltzand DDR
22:29:57captain_protonlooks at pricewatch
22:31:07captain_protonoh wow
22:31:11captain_protonmit has a bathroom server...
22:31:22vogon_jeltzheh
22:31:51captain_protonhttp://bathroom.mit.edu/ or finger @bathroom.mit.edu
22:32:16captain_protoni *need* to do this :)
22:32:38captain_protonooh pricewatch redesigned
22:32:55captain_proton$77 for 256mb of rambus
22:33:08vogon_jeltzheh
22:33:32vogon_jeltzgot 256mb of PC133 in CompUSA for $80... :/
22:33:41captain_proton:)
22:33:49captain_protonwell there is $8 shipping...
22:34:03captain_protoni should check how many open slots I have for ram
22:34:12captain_protonmaybe i should upgrade to 1 gig sometime? :D
22:34:53vogon_jeltzheh... 256 of PC133 is at 27 with S+H
22:34:57captain_protonlikes pricewatch's new design
22:34:59captain_protonS+H?
22:35:00captain_protonoh
22:35:01captain_protonnevermind
22:35:17captain_protonthat 27 one is probably some crap-o brand
22:35:19vogon_jeltzdoesn't think that proton is *that* stupid ;)
22:35:56vogon_jeltzMicron is at 34
22:36:01captain_protonnot bad
22:36:56vogon_jeltzbetter than rambus :)
22:37:19captain_protonmy video card is optimized for rambus :)
22:37:29vogon_jeltzhehe
22:37:38vogon_jeltzmmm... quadpumping
22:38:05captain_protonhuh?
22:38:53vogon_jeltzthe Pentium IV RAM bus has a capability called quadpumping, allowing memory to be written to or read from 4 times per clock cycle
22:39:10captain_protonoh yes
22:39:11captain_proton:)
22:39:57vogon_jeltzhas a crappy i810 mobo, so the memory bus is only at 100MHz on a 133MHz FSB
22:40:16captain_protoni810 sucks
22:40:26vogon_jeltzthe throughput's still 5700 MB/sec
22:42:45vogon_jeltzwonders if an ATA/100 IDE controller'd be worth it :/
22:43:00captain_protonwhy not a ATA/133??
22:43:20vogon_jeltzdoes ATA/133 exist?
22:43:23vogon_jeltz's ears perk up
22:43:58captain_protoni think i have it
22:44:09vogon_jeltzhas only 2 HDs, only one of which supports even ATA/100...
22:44:11vogon_jeltz:(
22:44:30vogon_jeltzand it's my crappy slow HD
22:44:38vogon_jeltzthe primary master, as luck would have it
22:45:13vogon_jeltz21.63 MB/sec throughput, as compared to 24.02 MB/sec on my other HD (which I use for main swap and /usr)
22:45:26captain_protoni've only got one drive
22:45:31captain_protonnot sure of the throughput
22:45:36captain_protonis there an easy way to test?
22:45:40vogon_jeltztry hdparm -Tt /dev/hda
22:46:49captain_proton/dev/hda:
22:46:49captain_proton Timing buffer-cache reads:   128 MB in  0.25 seconds =512.00 MB/sec
22:46:49captain_proton Timing buffered disk reads:  64 MB in  2.49 seconds = 25.70 MB/sec
22:46:54vogon_jeltzooh...
22:47:17vogon_jeltz[root@fortytwo /root]# hdparm -Tt /dev/hdd
22:47:19vogon_jeltz/dev/hdd:
22:47:20vogon_jeltz Timing buffer-cache reads:   128 MB in  1.07 seconds =119.63 MB/sec
22:47:22vogon_jeltz Timing buffered disk reads:  64 MB in  2.43 seconds = 26.34 MB/sec
22:47:23vogon_jeltz[root@fortytwo /root]#
22:47:25vogon_jeltzheh
22:48:05vogon_jeltzI guess my other HD had a bit more pep than I remembered
22:48:08captain_protonlet me try it without screwing with X
22:48:15vogon_jeltzis in X, too
22:48:40captain_protoni meant without doing other stuff at the same time
22:48:45captain_proton/dev/hda:
22:48:45captain_proton Timing buffer-cache reads:   128 MB in  0.25 seconds =512.00 MB/sec
22:48:45captain_proton Timing buffered disk reads:  64 MB in  2.28 seconds = 28.07 MB/sec
22:48:51captain_proton:)\
22:48:52vogon_jeltzheh
22:49:07vogon_jeltzread the topic :)
22:49:14captain_protoni did...looks great
22:50:38captain_protonlol...i just found some humor about the new bathroom server
22:50:45captain_proton*Gives a whole new meaning to "core dump".
22:50:45captain_proton*Makes you glad you don't have to manually rotate logs.
22:50:45captain_proton*The fact that they implemented finger on this is just so wrong.
22:50:45captain_proton*Gives new meaning to "computer whiz".
22:50:45captain_proton*Is there anything to prevent buffer overflow?
22:50:46captain_proton*Is this application sold with "per seat" licensing?
22:50:48vogon_jeltzhmm... my drives seem to be at 22.61 MB/s and 26.34 MB/s
22:50:48captain_proton*Hope their pipes can handle the load...
22:50:56vogon_jeltzrofl
22:51:31vogon_jeltzMem:   254524K av,  248644K used,    5880K free,       0K shrd,   65456K buff
22:51:32vogon_jeltzSwap:  353348K av,       0K used,  353348K free                  119148K cached
22:51:37vogon_jeltzhehe
22:51:43vogon_jeltzand I'm in X, too :)
22:52:12captain_protonhow did you get that list?
22:52:24vogon_jeltzfrom top(1)
22:52:36captain_protonoh ok
22:52:49captain_protonMem:   254768K av,  249892K used,    4876K free,       0K shrd,   65180K buff
22:52:49captain_protonSwap:  530104K av,   83556K used,  446548K free                   70756K cached
22:52:49vogon_jeltz        total:    used:    free:  shared: buffers:  cached:
22:52:51vogon_jeltzMem:  260632576 254656512  5976064        0 67026944 122007552
22:52:52vogon_jeltzSwap: 361828352        0 361828352
22:52:54vogon_jeltzMemTotal:       254524 kB
22:52:56vogon_jeltzhas said too much
22:53:31vogon_jeltzwonders why he has 244K less RAM than proton
22:53:37captain_protonbut then again X takes up a lot more room on my box than yours :)
22:53:47captain_protonprobably because your kernel is bigger?
22:53:51vogon_jeltzmaybe
22:54:09vogon_jeltz[root@fortytwo /root]# ls -l /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.10-pre3
22:54:11vogon_jeltz-rw-r--r--    1 root     root       769815 Sep  2 07:42 /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.10-pre3
22:54:29captain_protonkernel MEMORY
22:54:32captain_protonnot disk space
22:54:34captain_protondumbass :)
22:54:36vogon_jeltzOK
22:54:56vogon_jeltztries to remind proton that the *entire* kernel is loaded into RAM
22:55:10captain_protonyes - but then it allocates more
22:55:22vogon_jeltzno, it just *uncompresses*
22:55:36captain_protondepends what drivers you have loaded too
22:55:42vogon_jeltzyeah
22:55:47vogon_jeltzhas no modules whatsoever
22:56:09vogon_jeltzMemory: 254312k/260864k available (1041k kernel code, 6164k reserved, 330k data, 212k init, 0k highmem)
22:56:14vogon_jeltzfrom dmesg
22:56:51vogon_jeltzthen it dumps the init mem into the big user pile :)
22:56:56captain_protonis installing gdkxft
22:57:03vogon_jeltzwtf is that?
22:57:15vogon_jeltzg-duck-x-fit?
22:57:17captain_protonit antialiases gtk apps without having to recompile anything
22:57:19vogon_jeltzahh
22:57:21vogon_jeltz:)
22:57:29vogon_jeltzwants to know where it is
22:57:45captain_protonlook at www.gnome.org
22:58:33captain_protonneeds to restart X
23:36:32vogon_jeltzyou get it working?
23:36:35vogon_jeltz:)
23:36:39vogon_jeltzI couldn't
23:36:48captain_protonyep - just follow the instructions
23:36:50vogon_jeltzit kept complaining about an undefined symbol in xftcache... :(
23:36:52captain_protonit kinda sucks though
23:36:57vogon_jeltzI *did*
23:37:03captain_protonyou have to use a specific gtk theme
23:37:04vogon_jeltzand it still doesn't work
23:37:13captain_protonyou must have a custom X?
23:37:15vogon_jeltzI know
23:37:20vogon_jeltzno
23:37:24captain_protonhmmm
23:37:24vogon_jeltzvanilla 4.1.0
23:37:32captain_protonyou probably don't have Xft
23:37:36vogon_jeltz(SLI still works, too :)
23:37:40vogon_jeltzyes
23:37:43vogon_jeltzI do
23:38:02vogon_jeltzlibXft is there and accounted for
23:38:24captain_protonhmmm

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