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| 17:12.12 | feutetejsd | happy friday, all |
| 17:15.11 | macnewbold | aren't fridays, by definition, happy? |
| 17:16.16 | feutetejsd | I've had some that weren't so happy, but this one is shaping up to be one |
| 17:16.50 | macnewbold | because "Friday" comes from the Olde English, "fridus" (pronounced "free-dus"), meaning "Day of Our Liberation" |
| 17:17.06 | macnewbold | (also the root of the phrase "Freed Us") |
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| 17:27.38 | feutetej1d | anybody know anything about why you can't get any versions of java for OS X other than what Apple will give you? I mean, Java 1.5 has been around for a while now, and you still can't get it for OS X |
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| 17:35.42 | feutetejsd | so, I lost my connection for a minute there...did anyone respond to my question about java on OS X? |
| 17:51.45 | macnewbold | not yet |
| 17:51.57 | feutetejsd | ok...it's frustrating.... |
| 17:54.52 | drewbono | Tiger will have it. |
| 17:55.31 | feutetejsd | yeah, but for those of us who don't plan on buying Tiger....it just seems silly that Apple won't brew it up for non-Tiger |
| 17:56.42 | feutetejsd | and, that you can't get it directly from Sun |
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| 19:11.28 | wps | not sure, macnewbold |
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| 19:11.47 | wps | I have looked for it on Sun's site in the past and have encountered the same dead end |
| 19:12.02 | feutetejsd | yeah....grrrr. it's frustrating |
| 19:12.23 | macnewbold | I just meant "not yet" to whether or not someone had answered his question, not "not yet" to his question about java availability :) |
| 19:12.35 | feutetejsd | you can get 1.5 for any platform except OS X |
| 19:13.05 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 19:13.12 | feutetejsd | seems silly to me |
| 19:13.13 | macnewbold | maybe Sun is venting some frustrations... :) |
| 19:14.10 | cmkilger | hey there |
| 19:14.28 | cmkilger | any of you guys know bless |
| 19:14.40 | feutetejsd | not I |
| 19:15.03 | cmkilger | hmmm |
| 19:15.25 | wps | bless? |
| 19:15.34 | cmkilger | yeah |
| 19:15.51 | cmkilger | the unix command |
| 19:16.02 | wps | never heard of it |
| 19:16.17 | cmkilger | to "set volume bootability and startup disk options" |
| 19:16.26 | feutetejsd | from man bless: |
| 19:16.26 | feutetejsd | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:16.29 | feutetejsd | yeah, that |
| 19:16.55 | cmkilger | my computer won't boot from OS 9 or CDs |
| 19:17.07 | cmkilger | which will be a problem once I get Tiger |
| 19:17.45 | feutetejsd | not even holding down "c" while booting from CD? |
| 19:18.03 | cmkilger | nope |
| 19:18.09 | feutetejsd | that's odd |
| 19:18.27 | cmkilger | yeah, and it's really annoying |
| 19:18.32 | feutetejsd | startup disk prefs pane? |
| 19:18.58 | cmkilger | doesn't even recognize the OS 9 folder |
| 19:19.02 | feutetejsd | ah |
| 19:19.19 | cmkilger | it shows me the Panther Install disk and even starts to boot from it but then gives up |
| 19:19.24 | feutetejsd | hence the desire to use bless....if you select the CD from the prefs pane, can you boot? |
| 19:19.25 | cmkilger | that's the wierdest part |
| 19:19.28 | feutetejsd | ah |
| 19:21.16 | cmkilger | uh oh |
| 19:21.39 | cmkilger | I ran bless -info which showed me this: |
| 19:21.42 | cmkilger | finderinfo[0]: 2341 => Blessed System Folder is /Volumes/Mac OS X Install Disc 1/System/Library/CoreServices |
| 19:21.45 | cmkilger | finderinfo[1]: 0 => No Startup App folder (ignored anyway) |
| 19:21.48 | cmkilger | finderinfo[2]: 8981 => 1st dir in open-folder list is /Volumes/Mac OS X Install Disc 1/Welcome to Mac OS X |
| 19:21.50 | cmkilger | finderinfo[3]: 0 => No OS 9 + X blessed 9 folder |
| 19:21.53 | cmkilger | finderinfo[4]: 0 => Unused field unset |
| 19:21.55 | cmkilger | finderinfo[5]: 2341 => OS X blessed folder is /Volumes/Mac OS X Install Disc 1/System/Library/CoreServices |
| 19:21.59 | cmkilger | 64-bit VSDB volume id: 0x201CBF748381BAA6 |
| 19:22.16 | cmkilger | then I ran sudo bless -folder9 /System\ Folder |
| 19:22.30 | cmkilger | the I did bless -info again: |
| 19:22.36 | cmkilger | Can't get device for mac-io/ata-3@20000/@0:9,\\:tbxi: 3 |
| 19:22.46 | cmkilger | That seems bad. |
| 19:24.11 | feutetejsd | hmmm... |
| 19:25.19 | cmkilger | You think I broke it? |
| 19:25.35 | feutetejsd | stand by |
| 19:25.57 | cmkilger | you know I always liked you |
| 19:26.02 | feutetejsd | hehe |
| 19:31.21 | feutetejsd | I'm guessing it's not broken, because I've never even used bless, and I get: |
| 19:31.22 | feutetejsd | bless -info |
| 19:31.22 | feutetejsd | Can't get device for hd:,\\:tbxi: 3 |
| 19:32.06 | cmkilger | I just tried bless -info /System\ Folder/ and it showed me the information |
| 19:32.18 | feutetejsd | cool |
| 19:34.21 | feutetejsd | I'm not sure what to make of this, cmkilger...I haven't really had to mess with bless, so I don't know what to expect |
| 19:34.49 | cmkilger | i understand |
| 19:35.24 | feutetejsd | do you have some OS 9-only apps that you are wanting to run directly from 9 instead of running from classic? Why do you need OS 9? |
| 19:35.52 | cmkilger | I don't care so much about that, but I want to be able to boot from cD |
| 19:36.01 | feutetejsd | ah |
| 19:36.09 | feutetejsd | have you tried macosxhints.com? |
| 19:36.25 | feutetejsd | see if anyone else has had similar problems? I'm not sure what to tell you, honestly |
| 19:39.04 | cmkilger | I'll try there then |
| 19:39.07 | cmkilger | thanks |
| 19:39.12 | feutetejsd | sorry I'm not more help |
| 19:39.18 | cmkilger | it's alright |
| 19:39.28 | feutetejsd | have you tried any other bootable CDs? |
| 19:39.33 | cmkilger | yeah |
| 19:39.41 | feutetejsd | same result, I assume, eh? |
| 19:39.48 | cmkilger | I tried Jaguar and Norton Utilities |
| 19:45.44 | feutetejsd | cmkilger, this might be an interesting read: |
| 19:45.45 | feutetejsd | http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=106178 |
| 19:47.34 | cmkilger | thanks |
| 19:48.29 | feutetejsd | I've never used it, but it sounds promising |
| 19:49.26 | cmkilger | this is interesting, I might have this problem: http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=86209 |
| 19:50.06 | feutetejsd | interesting, although it doesn't seem to explain the inability to boot from CD |
| 19:50.28 | cmkilger | no, but now I know why it won't startup in OS 9 |
| 19:50.34 | feutetejsd | true |
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| 20:20.10 | feutetejsd | hey--did you try the startup manager, cmkilger? |
| 20:20.21 | cmkilger | yeah |
| 20:21.01 | cmkilger | it started to boot from the Panther disk, but then instead of showing an apple it showed me a circle with a line through it |
| 20:21.23 | cmkilger | I've never seen that before |
| 20:21.34 | feutetejsd | yeah, that's odd |
| 20:32.02 | macnewbold | a circle with a line through it? like the "no" symbol? |
| 20:32.24 | cmkilger | yeah |