01:12.14 | cmw | jconnolly|away: have an sd card image anywhere? |
01:12.25 | cmw | jconnolly|away: for the bug2 :) |
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14:15.09 | jconnolly|away | cmw: we have an image here: http://repo.buglabs.net/buildbot-images/2.0/ |
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18:19.31 | cmw | jconnolly|away: i was hoping for a complete image not just rootfs.. bug2 works like beagle right? has some stage2 loader on fat partion? |
18:19.36 | cmw | partition* |
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20:43.18 | GNUtoo|laptop | cmw, not sure but it must have xload I think |
20:43.30 | GNUtoo|laptop | on some devices xload is on sd |
20:43.39 | GNUtoo|laptop | on some other device xload is on flash |
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22:09.22 | wwward | GNUtoo|laptop: Do you know if the angstrom-2008.1 distro in OpenEmbedded can be built for Bug 1.3 and whether it requires many modifications to the bitbake configuration other than using OpenEmbedded's current git repository contents? |
22:09.45 | wwward | has a clone but the compilation will take over an hour. |
22:09.46 | GNUtoo|laptop | it works but require serial |
22:10.01 | GNUtoo|laptop | or blind reboot |
22:10.02 | wwward | require serial to configure? |
22:10.07 | GNUtoo|laptop | or init script reorganizing |
22:10.13 | GNUtoo|laptop | *init script order |
22:10.25 | GNUtoo|laptop | basically here's the issue: |
22:10.29 | GNUtoo|laptop | usb0 doesn't come up |
22:10.31 | wwward | is that because it does not initialize the USB network? |
22:10.32 | wwward | ok |
22:10.33 | GNUtoo|laptop | no GUI yet |
22:10.42 | GNUtoo|laptop | and no progress bar during boot |
22:10.50 | GNUtoo|laptop | but you could do that: |
22:10.51 | GNUtoo|laptop | boot |
22:10.55 | GNUtoo|laptop | wait a very long time |
22:10.57 | GNUtoo|laptop | reboot |
22:11.01 | GNUtoo|laptop | and usb0 will come up |
22:11.03 | wwward | ok, I have a dock at my hackerspace. |
22:11.16 | GNUtoo|laptop | lately I didn't try cold boot |
22:11.18 | wwward | do you know if it puts a serial terminal on any of the other serial ports than the dock? |
22:11.30 | GNUtoo|laptop | I was focussing on porting to linux-next |
22:11.33 | wwward | ok |
22:11.43 | wwward | thanks. |
22:11.48 | GNUtoo|laptop | it doesn't but you could add it |
22:12.07 | wwward | The other option is copying recipes from OE to the customized Poky-Linux distro that Bug has in svn. |
22:12.22 | wwward | But that did not work for me last night, so I am reading the bitbake user manual today. |
22:12.37 | wwward | thank you, that saved me a lot of time. |
22:14.22 | GNUtoo|laptop | np |
22:14.48 | GNUtoo|laptop | maybe I'll try to improve a bit oe support when I will get the 2 displays working again |
22:14.59 | GNUtoo|laptop | that is to say when bug 2.0 will be out |
22:15.25 | GNUtoo|laptop | wwward, what do you think of linux-next work? |
22:15.30 | GNUtoo|laptop | is it worth? |
22:15.57 | GNUtoo|laptop | it's also a way of learning for me |
22:16.13 | GNUtoo|laptop | btw I'm looking for some patch to enable kgdb |
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22:16.19 | wwward | GNUtoo|laptop: I am trying to install Diaspora (http://joindiaspora.com) on a Bug, it requires Ruby 1.8.7 and a few other packages that I did not find in the poky-linux distro, plus an app called "redis" that does not appear to have any recipe. So I want to learn how to get those packages onto Bug 1.3 because I have a few Bug 1.3s |
22:16.27 | GNUtoo|laptop | wow!!!!!!!! |
22:16.31 | GNUtoo|laptop | the freedom box!!!!!!!! |
22:16.36 | wwward | GNUtoo|laptop: I do not know what linux-next is yet. |
22:16.56 | wwward | GNUtoo|laptop: I have been trying to study OE for the past two weekends before school starts next week. |
22:16.59 | GNUtoo|laptop | of our steeve jobs(eben moglen) |
22:17.15 | wwward | GNUtoo|laptop: Yes, I saw Eben Moglen when he talked about it in January 2010. |
22:17.42 | wwward | GNUtoo|laptop: He spoke at my university, and later at HackNY in April 2010 when the Diaspora team originally started hacking on it. |
22:17.45 | GNUtoo|laptop | wow |
22:17.53 | GNUtoo|laptop | I'll see him for real at fosdem I think |
22:19.00 | wwward | GNUtoo|laptop: I've seen him a few times around here in NYC. I desperately want to learn OE to get more code onto machines like the Beagleboard and Sheevaplug and such. |
22:19.11 | wwward | You can afford to lose them or deploy them. |
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22:19.40 | wwward | What is Linux-next? |
22:19.58 | GNUtoo|laptop | linux-next is the next linux kernel |
22:20.03 | GNUtoo|laptop | for instance 2.6.38 |
22:20.10 | GNUtoo|laptop | it's where the merge window happens |
22:20.25 | wwward | is linux-next a distro from OE? |
22:20.33 | GNUtoo|laptop | so basically I'm trying to get some minimal bug 1.3 in upstream |
22:20.34 | GNUtoo|laptop | no |
22:20.36 | wwward | before it is formalized? |
22:20.38 | GNUtoo|laptop | when I mean linux |
22:20.38 | wwward | oh |
22:20.41 | GNUtoo|laptop | I mean the kernel |
22:20.43 | wwward | ok |
22:20.52 | wwward | so the bleeding edge kernel release. |
22:20.56 | GNUtoo|laptop | yes |
22:21.01 | GNUtoo|laptop | I sent the patch |
22:21.07 | GNUtoo|laptop | I'm waiting for the comments |
22:21.14 | GNUtoo|laptop | it has serial port only for now |
22:21.17 | wwward | you submitted a patch to the linux kernel for what? |
22:21.19 | GNUtoo|laptop | I'll try to add microsd after |
22:21.25 | GNUtoo|laptop | for bugbase 1.3 support |
22:21.33 | GNUtoo|laptop | I submited another patch before |
22:21.41 | GNUtoo|laptop | but it had nothing to do with the bug device |
22:21.44 | GNUtoo|laptop | and was accepted |
22:21.44 | wwward | what does the patch add specifically? |
22:22.01 | wwward | that's good for your career. |
22:22.01 | GNUtoo|laptop | bugbase 1.3 machine + its main serial port |
22:22.07 | GNUtoo|laptop | the one that is on the dock |
22:22.42 | wwward | So with a the patch accepted, I would be able to compile the kernel and boot it on the Bug without any modification? |
22:22.47 | GNUtoo|laptop | I think the best thing for my career is to finish university |
22:22.51 | wwward | hahah |
22:23.00 | GNUtoo|laptop | because it seem that a lot of companies are willing to employ me |
22:23.13 | GNUtoo|laptop | but I'm not sure if they are willing to do it if I've not finished university |
22:23.19 | wwward | Yes, that is true, but afterwards, when you look for work, you can always show that you could submit patches to a large organization. |
22:23.27 | wwward | you would be surprised. |
22:23.28 | GNUtoo|laptop | yes |
22:23.32 | wwward | but you're right, finishing is most important. |
22:23.36 | GNUtoo|laptop | yes indeed |
22:24.12 | GNUtoo|laptop | as I've many commit access and did many work I've a great curiculum for now |
22:24.34 | wwward | i agree. |
22:26.37 | wwward | Thanks for doing that. I'll use that effort to put new apps on the bug, and hopefully get something out the door that we can use in the field. |
22:27.22 | GNUtoo|laptop | the main problem is that I'm involved in too much projects |
22:27.40 | GNUtoo|laptop | wwward, for the freedom box you need AP? |
22:28.19 | GNUtoo|laptop | note that the bug device,specially the 2.0, while beeing so great for beeing a freedom box, is not cheap |
22:28.38 | wwward | GNUtoo|laptop: I know what you mean, I have to work to find the time to do this. So many other things that demand attention, school, exercise, friends, work. |
22:28.49 | GNUtoo|laptop | ok |
22:29.12 | GNUtoo|laptop | linux-next can get easier AP |
22:29.16 | wwward | GNUtoo|laptop: I don't think the Bug would be a freedom box for everyone, I use it because I have them. I think something like modifying DD-WRT or using a Beagleboard or Sheevaplug is the freedom box of the future. |
22:29.21 | GNUtoo|laptop | my plan was better wifi and better audio |
22:29.35 | GNUtoo|laptop | DD-wrt is not powerfull enough |
22:29.43 | GNUtoo|laptop | sheevaplug has some nice devices |
22:29.49 | GNUtoo|laptop | guru plug and such derivates |
22:29.51 | wwward | DD-WRT is not powerful enough on hardware? |
22:29.53 | GNUtoo|laptop | 2GHz + AP |
22:30.08 | GNUtoo|laptop | no hardware like wrt54gsv4 is not powerfull enough |
22:30.14 | GNUtoo|laptop | to run ruby etc... |
22:30.27 | wwward | Oh. |
22:30.30 | GNUtoo|laptop | os-wise debian is better for that kind of thing |
22:30.35 | wwward | You don't think the newer routers will have more power? |
22:30.36 | GNUtoo|laptop | s/os/and os/ |
22:30.44 | GNUtoo|laptop | yes they should have |
22:30.50 | GNUtoo|laptop | but the original old ones don't |
22:31.00 | GNUtoo|laptop | and I'm unsure how much power they have |
22:31.08 | GNUtoo|laptop | anyway there is a 2GHz sheevaplug with AP |
22:31.12 | wwward | Ok, that's good to know. I put faith in newer hardware having a lot of spare CPU. |
22:31.25 | GNUtoo|laptop | but maybe if you have a bug device: |
22:31.29 | GNUtoo|laptop | you use it: |
22:31.37 | wwward | I have three bug 1's |
22:31.40 | GNUtoo|laptop | use the usb connector to get usb host |
22:31.43 | GNUtoo|laptop | ok wow |
22:31.59 | GNUtoo|laptop | I've bug 1-wifi and bug-1-without-wifi |
22:32.04 | wwward | This one: http://www.nycresistor.com/2011/01/21/frznmargawiki-a-wiki-on-the-wall/ |
22:32.34 | wwward | and two 1.3a's at home. |
22:32.46 | wwward | one has a broken bluetooth radio, but I found that my USB bluetooth dongle works with hcitool |
22:32.50 | GNUtoo|laptop | ok nice |
22:33.04 | GNUtoo|laptop | note that Von Hippel is optional for USB |
22:33.07 | wwward | So they are good for developing. |
22:33.14 | GNUtoo|laptop | you can use the bugbase mini-usb as host |
22:33.15 | wwward | I am using VH for the BT USB |
22:33.25 | wwward | do you have to change software setting to get mini-usb host? |
22:33.27 | GNUtoo|laptop | so you use VH on another bug |
22:33.29 | wwward | or use special cable? |
22:33.35 | wwward | I have a VH for each bug |
22:33.38 | GNUtoo|laptop | I'm not sure |
22:33.45 | GNUtoo|laptop | I do it like that: |
22:33.56 | GNUtoo|laptop | connect my mini-usb->usb-female cable |
22:34.00 | wwward | I know there is a 5th pin for OTG host mode |
22:34.01 | GNUtoo|laptop | some modprobe foo |
22:34.06 | GNUtoo|laptop | and I've usb host |
22:34.24 | wwward | but that is only mini-usb |
22:34.25 | GNUtoo|laptop | I thinkthe mini-usb special cable is mandatory |
22:34.28 | GNUtoo|laptop | but I'm not sure |
22:34.32 | wwward | ah microusb |
22:34.39 | GNUtoo|laptop | no mini-usb |
22:34.49 | GNUtoo|laptop | micro-usb is the new standard for european phones |
22:34.56 | wwward | yes, mini has it (i just counted) |
22:35.00 | GNUtoo|laptop | ok |
22:35.03 | GNUtoo|laptop | s/no/no,/ |
22:35.19 | wwward | i was trying to figure out why there was a 5th pin and read about OTG using it. |
22:35.34 | wwward | anyway, yes, bug is for development |
22:35.46 | wwward | beagleboard, sheevaplug (as you say) and maybe hacking newer ARM routers. |
22:36.00 | wwward | Using a Linksys or Netgear router would be nice because so many people already own them. |
22:36.18 | GNUtoo|laptop | sheevaplug is not that expensive |
22:37.03 | wwward | True, but if you could download a Freedombox-image from a website and use the web UI for the Linksys to load it, that would be very easy for many people to try. Selling Sheevaplug+FreedomOS? would be nice also. |
22:37.25 | GNUtoo|laptop | imagine a box which does everything |
22:37.28 | wwward | heh |
22:37.35 | GNUtoo|laptop | that box include openvpn |
22:37.42 | wwward | IPv6 tunnel! |
22:37.42 | GNUtoo|laptop | openvpn is too slow for low-end routers |
22:37.53 | wwward | sure. |
22:37.58 | GNUtoo|laptop | so...that would be kind of complicated to run it on low-end hardware |
22:38.08 | GNUtoo|laptop | a sheevaplug is better |
22:38.16 | wwward | Maybe features are dependent on CPU size. |
22:38.23 | GNUtoo|laptop | a bug device has advantages too: |
22:38.27 | GNUtoo|laptop | *it has a battery |
22:38.33 | GNUtoo|laptop | *it has wifi AP |
22:38.48 | wwward | Bug2 can do wifi AP, can bug1.3? |
22:38.56 | wwward | only with USB wifi? |
22:38.59 | GNUtoo|laptop | bug 1.3, not currently |
22:39.06 | GNUtoo|laptop | it's a software issue |
22:39.14 | wwward | libertas driver |
22:39.18 | GNUtoo|laptop | you need to port the olpc driver to bug 1.3 |
22:39.30 | GNUtoo|laptop | basically there are 2 libertas drivers |
22:39.31 | GNUtoo|laptop | libertas |
22:39.35 | GNUtoo|laptop | and libertastf |
22:39.48 | GNUtoo|laptop | libertastf does AP |
22:39.54 | GNUtoo|laptop | we have libertas |
22:40.03 | GNUtoo|laptop | tf = thin firmware |
22:40.14 | wwward | what needs to be done to port? |
22:40.27 | GNUtoo|laptop | thin firmware = softmac = mac80211 in the kernel |
22:40.38 | GNUtoo|laptop | first do what I'm doing |
22:40.43 | GNUtoo|laptop | forward port the kernel |
22:40.55 | GNUtoo|laptop | then maybe we get it for free, who knows |
22:41.21 | wwward | that means the CPU handles all physical layer of Wifi? |
22:41.29 | wwward | mac layer, not physical. sorry. |
22:41.42 | wwward | heavy cpu or no? |
22:42.16 | GNUtoo|laptop | mac80211(mac layer in software,handled by the cpu, with a firmware doing less work possible) is better |
22:42.26 | GNUtoo|laptop | you depend less on a proprietary firmware |
22:42.48 | GNUtoo|laptop | for instance many wifi chips couln't have AP because it was not in the firmware |
22:43.17 | wwward | right. ok. |
22:43.55 | GNUtoo|laptop | some chips even have 2 firmwares |
22:43.57 | GNUtoo|laptop | one for AP |
22:44.06 | GNUtoo|laptop | and one for normal use(sta = station mode) |
22:44.37 | wwward | Not the chip used in the Bug. I could get a USB WiFi radio that has two firmwares? |
22:45.38 | wwward | ad-hoc would work for people smart enough to find ad-hoc but so many devices don't support it. |
22:46.10 | GNUtoo|laptop | get one that has AP capabilities |
22:46.22 | GNUtoo|laptop | but beware of the mA limitations |
22:46.34 | GNUtoo|laptop | I've an rt3870 |
22:46.45 | GNUtoo|laptop | it didn't work well last summer |
22:46.50 | GNUtoo|laptop | but it has an external antenna |
22:46.59 | GNUtoo|laptop | which is important for the range |
22:47.09 | wwward | that's the one you used when you were on holiday. |
22:47.18 | wwward | did it support AP? |
22:47.18 | GNUtoo|laptop | yes |
22:47.21 | GNUtoo|laptop | yes |
22:47.27 | GNUtoo|laptop | no-name brand tough |
22:48.02 | wwward | hmmm. |
22:48.40 | GNUtoo|laptop | bb on n900 |
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