IRC log for #asterisk on 20191116

`00:05.08`	`*** join/#asterisk lankanmon_ (~LKNnet@CPEb4fbe4e331bd-CM64777d632380.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com)`
`00:09.38`	`*** join/#asterisk Janos (~Janos@201.204.94.76)`
`01:23.22`	`*** join/#asterisk spatel (~spatel@pool-96-237-230-64.bstnma.fios.verizon.net)`
`02:02.32`	`rue_mohr`	`how does one get messages about failing sip login attempts?`
`02:04.43`	`Samot`	`One parses log files.`
`02:04.53`	`*** join/#asterisk MICROburst1 (~Thunderbi@x4d0b1641.dyn.telefonica.de)`
`02:15.40`	`rue_mohr`	`so, it wont come up in asterisk -r with debug and verbose set to 9?`
`02:17.21`	`Samot`	`Sure it would.`
`02:17.49`	`Samot`	`But if you're trying to debug login attempts you should be looking at the actual SIP messages`
`02:18.24`	`rue_mohr`	`ok how do I get to those?`
`02:18.38`	`rue_mohr`	`I'm outdated, I knew 1.6`
`02:18.59`	`rue_mohr`	`I'm confused as there only seems to be pgsip in the console`
`02:19.01`	`igcewieling`	`tcpdump, wireshark, sngrep`
`02:19.06`	`rue_mohr`	`I dont know if ... oh`
`02:19.33`	`rue_mohr`	`so, I should find out about bad login attempts at the packet level...`
`02:20.00`	`igcewieling`	`you could fight with "pjsip set logging" settings, but the other tools might be useful too.`
`02:20.10`	`rue_mohr`	`I just want to see the fails for the account I told a device to use that I' havn't made yet`
`02:20.45`	`igcewieling`	`you can set logging for a specific IP with pjsip`
`02:20.57`	`rue_mohr`	`phony3*CLI> pjsip`
`02:20.57`	`rue_mohr`	`No such command 'pjsip' (type 'core show help pjsip' for other possible commands)`
`02:21.06`	`rue_mohr`	`hmm`
`02:21.10`	`igcewieling`	`you must be using chan_sip then.`
`02:21.21`	`igcewieling`	`there are a zillion pages on debugging with chan_sip`
`02:21.37`	`rue_mohr`	`then chan_sip should say something, right?`
`02:21.42`	`rue_mohr`	`I get the same error`
`02:21.50`	`rue_mohr`	`maybe I blew the compile`
`02:22.01`	`igcewieling`	`"module show" to see what modules are loaded`
`02:22.17`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`how do you not even know what you configured?`
`02:22.24`	`igcewieling`	`assuming you are running a modern version of Astrisk`
`02:22.28`	`rue_mohr`	`res_pjsip`
`02:22.29`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`If you have to ask about PJSIP then you aren't even there`
`02:22.33`	`rue_mohr`	`its hot off git`
`02:22.46`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`sip.conf <----------`
`02:22.54`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`you're on regular chan_sip if you have to ask at all`
`02:23.02`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`and regular SIP debug is still there`
`02:23.08`	`rue_mohr`	`no chan_sip`
`02:23.26`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`pjsip <tab>`
`02:23.26`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`^`
`02:23.30`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`go prove it's loaded`
`02:23.31`	`*** join/#asterisk Typhon (~Typhon@dslb-084-056-169-220.084.056.pools.vodafone-ip.de)`
`02:23.34`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`pjsip show endpoints`
`02:23.42`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`and you've configured them at all`
`02:23.43`	`rue_mohr`	`res_pjsip`
`02:23.50`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`show it`
`02:23.52`	`rue_mohr`	`pjsip isn't an available command`
`02:24.09`	`rue_mohr`	`oh it...`
`02:24.21`	`rue_mohr`	`:) tab tab`
`02:24.25`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`TAB <-----------`
`02:24.29`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`hit the damn key`
`02:24.52`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`pjsip show endpoints`
`02:24.53`	`rue_mohr`	`I did its there`
`02:24.53`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`^`
`02:24.59`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`I gave you a FULL command too....`
`02:24.59`	`rue_mohr`	`I'm playing`
`02:25.03`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`pjsip set logger on`
`02:25.04`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`^`
`02:25.07`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`to look for traffic`
`02:25.21`	`rue_mohr`	`pjsip show endpoints`
`02:25.21`	`rue_mohr`	`No objects found.`
`02:25.32`	`rue_mohr`	`that means there aren't any accounts created?`
`02:25.32`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`So nothing configured`
`02:25.40`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Did you MAKE them?`
`02:25.55`	`rue_mohr`	`ok, so I have a device trying to log in, I should be able to see the errors, right?`
`02:26.01`	`rue_mohr`	`I wanted to see the errors first`
`02:26.06`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`I gave you the command for that TWICE....`
`02:26.14`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Assuming it's even hitting the right port`
`02:26.18`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Or anything is listening at all`
`02:26.28`	`rue_mohr`	`exactly what I wanted to start with`
`02:26.28`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`You haven' confirmed that you configured ANYTHING'`
`02:26.47`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`And this game of "secret squirrel" is getting tiring.`
`02:26.48`	`rue_mohr`	`I didn't I want to see it telling my device its login in denied`
`02:26.55`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`What did you actually MAKE?`
`02:27.11`	`rue_mohr`	`its got the example config`
`02:27.17`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`I don't know that it is being denied`
`02:27.36`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`I don't know if packets are making it to your server at all`
`02:27.43`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`or if it's going to the right port`
`02:27.48`	`rue_mohr`	`me either, but I _have_ just leaned that there is chan_sip and pjsip`
`02:27.56`	`rue_mohr`	`and that chan_sip is considered better`
`02:28.00`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`it isn't`
`02:28.10`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`chan_sip = OLD.`
`02:28.12`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`And going away`
`02:28.15`	`rue_mohr`	`ah`
`02:28.18`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`(slowly)`
`02:28.21`	`rue_mohr`	`who was pj?`
`02:28.35`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`the name of a 3rd party back-end * adopted`
`02:28.46`	`rue_mohr`	`nods`
`02:28.48`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`pjsip is a SEPARATE stack engine`
`02:28.57`	`rue_mohr`	`thoguht it would be a guy like kb`
`02:29.01`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`no`
`02:29.07`	`rue_mohr`	`it makes sense, sip isn't audio`
`02:29.12`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`no`
`02:29.22`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`that doesn't even mean anything`
`02:29.26`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`separate or by contrast`
`02:30.11`	`rue_mohr`	`I have to read up on pjsip.conf for a while, thanks`
`02:30.39`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Were you hoping to see it LAND ... and THEn go lear to actually configure it working backwards from the point of getting an ERROR?`
`02:30.57`	`rue_mohr`	`yup`
`02:31.05`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`dumb`
`02:31.17`	`rue_mohr`	`would you like to configure this for me?`
`02:31.18`	`rue_mohr`	`;)`
`02:31.25`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`step 1: break things. Step 2: try to add 1 little piece and see if it crumbles`
`02:31.35`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`There's friggen guides for this`
`02:31.47`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`and you're assuming anything is even listening when you don't know how it works`
`02:31.53`	`rue_mohr`	`look, the breaking either happens in the beggining or the end`
`02:31.55`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Total waste of everyone's time`
`02:32.12`	`rue_mohr`	`if you start broken, it all gonna get better`
`02:32.18`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`You can't interpret the failure when you don't know what "good" is supposed to look like`
`02:32.25`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`And you're not going to dfind that going backwards`
`02:32.38`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`There are samples and guides for this`
`02:32.42`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`follow them`
`02:32.51`	`rue_mohr`	`I'v leanred to use pjsip, and that it seems to be completely turned off by default`
`02:33.16`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`....`
`02:33.19`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`meaningless.`
`02:33.26`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`as well as the term "default"`
`02:33.41`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Default is nonsense. It's your job to configure ALL of Asterisk`
`02:33.46`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Anyhting not configured is your fault`
`02:33.58`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`there is no "default"`
`02:34.04`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`or spoon(feeding)`
`02:34.14`	`rue_mohr`	`I'm reffering to the example config as a default`
`02:34.19`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`it isn't`
`02:34.31`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`it's a basic set of examples being only that`
`02:34.33`	`rue_mohr`	`its what was shipped`
`02:34.38`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`and they do function when used correctly`
`02:34.49`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`For what little they can "practically" do`
`02:36.17`	`rue_mohr`	`in the last 14 years, have you become any less "I'm not grumpy" ?`
`02:37.47`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`And all this time you still play the "secret squirrel" game having us chare around after your BS`
`02:38.12`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Learn * like everybody else`
`02:38.16`	`rue_mohr`	`I'm working on replacing the 1.6 machine`
`02:38.44`	`rue_mohr`	`I'm not everyone else, I'm nobody, there is like literally NOBODY outthere I can relate to`
`02:38.55`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`THANK GOD`
`02:39.05`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`I'd hate to imagine there being alother....`
`02:39.14`	`rue_mohr`	`I'm looking tho`
`02:39.56`	`rue_mohr`	`so far I have 600 twitter followers..... havn't found any among them yet... some GREAT people tho!`
`02:46.04`	`rue_mohr`	`hmm, endpoint and auth types, I'm used to this all being togethor and they seem to not be...`
`02:47.51`	`rue_mohr`	`"You have Installed Asterisk including the res_pjsip and chan_pjsip modules and their dependencies." wait I have no chan_pjsip....`
`02:48.44`	`rue_mohr`	`oh I'm insane I do :)))`
`02:58.37`	`rue_mohr`	`heh, this manual just says "RTFM"`
`03:07.06`	`rue_mohr`	`type=endpoint`
`03:07.15`	`rue_mohr`	`vs type=auth`
`03:07.24`	`rue_mohr`	`vs type=aor`
`03:07.29`	`rue_mohr`	`https://wiki.asterisk.org/wiki/display/AST/Asterisk+12+Configuration_res_pjsip`
`03:07.39`	`rue_mohr`	`says type must be endpoint`
`03:07.42`	`rue_mohr`	`wtf?!?!!`
`03:08.35`	`rue_mohr`	`Asterisk GIT-master-a47cb71bb1`
`03:08.38`	`rue_mohr`	`is this 12?`
`03:09.39`	`rue_mohr`	`maybe its 17`
`03:10.21`	`rue_mohr`	`<PROTECTED>`
`03:10.35`	`rue_mohr`	`type clearly does NOT have to be 'endpoint'`
`03:11.44`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`What doesn't?`
`03:12.41`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`taht page isn't abou the basic concepts`
`03:12.43`	`rue_mohr`	`in the example configs, [6001]`
`03:12.48`	`rue_mohr`	`type=endpoint`
`03:12.50`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`that's a bare syntax breakdown`
`03:12.52`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`not WHY`
`03:12.56`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`or what it MEANS`
`03:13.06`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`You're still trying to reverse engineer understanding.`
`03:13.19`	`rue_mohr`	`I'm trying to understand 'type'`
`03:13.22`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`READ THE BEGINNERS GUIDE`
`03:13.29`	`rue_mohr`	`the documentation says it must be set to endpoint`
`03:13.37`	`rue_mohr`	`and its not in the other two lines`
`03:13.44`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`not the "technical reference" and think that you're going to put them together where all the pieces work`
`03:13.51`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`because you don't understand the relationships yet`
`03:13.59`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`"it"?`
`03:14.05`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`WHAT "IT"`
`03:14.15`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`ther are MULTIPLE pieces needed for 1 stupid phone to work <-`
`03:14.18`	`rue_mohr`	`lets pastebin this`
`03:14.29`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`MULTIEPL entires with multiple TYPE's`
`03:14.53`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`This isn't sip.conf with 1 stupid section holding everything`
`03:15.00`	`rue_mohr`	`hmm cant copy from this terminal that sucks`
`03:15.03`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`that idea goes out the window`
`03:15.32`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`There is no singular [fred] in 1 section to completely define a phone.`
`03:15.37`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`it's all broken up now`
`03:15.41`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`GO READ`
`03:15.57`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Because you don't understand the types or their relationships`
`03:16.04`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`and that page is NOT the place`
`03:17.57`	`rue_mohr`	`look in jpsip.conf there is param called type= and its set to endpoint, auth, and aor in the different examples, but the document https://wiki.asterisk.org/wiki/display/AST/Asterisk+17+Configuration_res_pjsip#Asterisk17Configuration_res_pjsip-endpoint_auth only says that it must be set to "endpoint"`
`03:19.19`	`rue_mohr`	`but it includes aors, which is an option for type`
`03:19.26`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`"it"`
`03:19.28`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`what IT`
`03:19.31`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`there is no "it"`
`03:19.35`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`it is not SINGULAR`
`03:19.47`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`]you have to set up EACH of these things'`
`03:19.49`	`rue_mohr`	`I cant say anything without using the word it dude`
`03:19.53`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`stop talking as though there is ONE piece`
`03:19.54`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`"IT"`
`03:20.03`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Worthless`
`03:20.55`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`<rue_mohr> look in jpsip.conf there is param called type= and its set to endpoint, auth, and aor in the different examples, but the document https://wiki.asterisk.org/wiki/display/AST/Asterisk+17+Configuration_res_pjsip#Asterisk17Configuration_res_pjsip-endpoint_auth only says that it must be set to "endpoint"`
`03:21.02`	`rue_mohr`	`look in jpsip.conf there is param called type= and the param "type=" set to endpoint, auth, and aor in the different examples, but the document https://wiki.asterisk.org/wiki/display/AST/Asterisk+17+Configuration_res_pjsip#Asterisk17Configuration_res_pjsip-endpoint_auth only says that the paramiter "type=" must be set to "endpoint"`
`03:21.22`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Wow.. so the section of the page talking about making and endpoint .... tells you to set "type=endpoint".`
`03:21.27`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`WHERE';S THE MYSTERY`
`03:21.39`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`to make that KIND of section... you SET IT`
`03:21.44`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`What's the damn myester?`
`03:22.01`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`To make a section an AOR..... you set type=aor`
`03:22.04`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`mystery*`
`03:23.42`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`That page is not where you should be to leaern this`
`03:23.50`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Stop wasting everyone's time`
`03:25.02`	`Reinhilde`	`big issue`
`03:25.05`	`Reinhilde`	`there is no jpsip.conf`
`03:25.10`	`Reinhilde`	`only a pjsip.conf`
`03:25.27`	`rue_mohr`	`:)`
`03:25.35`	`rue_mohr`	`[TK]D-Fender, I checked, he's right`
`03:25.54`	`Reinhilde`	`[TK]D-Fender: Looks like that Ontario Court of Justice judge was right when they said that the Internet is a bipolar electronic Leviathan.`
`03:27.49`	`rue_mohr`	`I'm also like to question why the asterisk documentation is not where you should learn about asterisk`
`03:28.26`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`THAT fucking page isn't the answer`
`03:28.27`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`https://wiki.asterisk.org/wiki/display/AST/PJSIP+Configuration+Sections+and+Relationships`
`03:28.28`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`^`
`03:28.42`	`Reinhilde`	`typical quebecois rage`
`03:28.43`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`"What do you mean the answer to EVERYTHING isn't on page 28?!??!"`
`03:28.48`	`Reinhilde`	`what do they put in the water there`
`03:29.31`	`Reinhilde`	`I can't tell the difference between this world and the alternate reality where they put dexamethasone in the water in Quebec. Every single French Canadian I know of is clinically insane.`
`03:29.47`	`Reinhilde`	`Not that that is germane to any of this`
`03:29.56`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`correct`
`03:30.10`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`And the sample size for what you "know" is highly dubious`
`03:30.32`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`as is my acceptance of what you even accept as "reality"`
`03:31.07`	`Reinhilde`	`as is that the laboratories have not picked up on the practically universal cushings syndrome there`
`03:31.28`	`Reinhilde`	`In any case, [TK]D-Fender, you're a troll and I have to put you on ignore`
`03:31.35`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`LOL`
`03:31.42`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`I'm a troll....`
`03:31.45`	`Reinhilde`	`I recommend rue_mohr does the same, and that they additionally put me on ignore because I'm not about to help them`
`03:31.46`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`that's rich....`
`03:32.07`	`Reinhilde`	`PJSip in Asterisk has been a complete failure and that the development team are full court press still with it indicates they've not learned`
`03:32.21`	`drmessano`	`ROFL`
`03:32.22`	`rue_mohr`	`dispite the unclear docs, I think I'm working it out`
`03:32.37`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`I just linked a very clear doc on this`
`03:32.51`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`You always insist on grabbing a page and declaing it ahs the answers`
`03:33.15`	`rue_mohr`	`I have it up, it illuded to part of the misunderstanding`
`03:33.37`	`rue_mohr`	`[---] does not, un to itself, define a section`
`03:33.48`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`it does`
`03:33.53`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`it doesn't define the TYPE`
`03:33.58`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`because that is a parameter you set`
`03:34.03`	`rue_mohr`	`the type= that follows it finishes defining it`
`03:34.12`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`[fred]`
`03:34.19`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`that defines FRED`
`03:34.31`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`what kind of thing named "fred" is a PROPERTY`
`03:34.54`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`EVERY property is part of it`
`03:34.58`	`rue_mohr`	`each "identity?" needs a endpoint, auth and aor section`
`03:35.48`	`rue_mohr`	`so [FREDWRITER] must occur 3 times`
`03:35.52`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`no`
`03:35.59`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`they can have separate NAMES <-`
`03:36.08`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`it doesn't have to be the SAME name`
`03:36.23`	`rue_mohr`	`maybe thats part of what makes the example confusing`
`03:36.39`	`rue_mohr`	`[6001]...`
`03:36.40`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`They should you full examples`
`03:36.44`	`rue_mohr`	`auth=6001`
`03:36.46`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`FDOLLOW THE DAMN NAMES`
`03:36.48`	`rue_mohr`	`aors=6001`
`03:37.05`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`do those each imply [6001] section for each`
`03:37.12`	`rue_mohr`	`if the names had been diffrent, this would be clearer`
`03:37.18`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`it is not REQUIRED that they have the same name`
`03:37.25`	`rue_mohr`	`I understand`
`03:38.02`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`endpoints reference these other sections`
`03:38.42`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`so does "registration", etc`
`03:39.51`	`rue_mohr`	`so the next puzzle is, who's ip address is 'contact'`
`03:40.04`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Which>`
`03:40.19`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`you make it sound like it exists in only 1 place ... or even needs to be defined`
`03:40.32`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`all of these things depnd on how they are used`
`03:40.35`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`and why`
`03:40.45`	`rue_mohr`	`in the example, the aor section for 6001 has a contact=`
`03:41.02`	`rue_mohr`	`with an ip address that is either the * server or the phone set`
`03:41.18`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`You can FIX an AOR to 1 place`
`03:41.30`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`the same way you set host=1.2.3.4 in a sip.conf entry`
`03:41.31`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`^`
`03:41.33`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`SAME thing`
`03:41.53`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`And the address is for that AOR`
`03:42.52`	`rue_mohr`	`hahah! the login errors!!!`
`03:42.57`	`rue_mohr`	`SWEEET`
`03:43.45`	`rue_mohr`	`THATS worth a tea and chocolate bar break!`
`03:47.06`	`rue_mohr`	`actaully, those errors are my milestone, so maybe I'll go back to working on my DAC library....`
`03:48.01`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Heaven forfid you should ever finish a job so it doesn't stretch on for months....`
`03:48.37`	`rue_mohr`	`hobbyist dude`
`03:49.53`	`rue_mohr`	`I'm really hoping that the state machine for the T1 was fixed since 1.6`
`03:49.59`	`rue_mohr`	`I know the voicemail will be`
`03:50.12`	`rue_mohr`	`"you have fourty-one, fourty-one messages"`
`03:50.18`	`rue_mohr`	`AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH`
`03:50.20`	`rue_mohr`	`:)`
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